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You don't have to have it figured out to take the next step.
Between Here & There is a podcast about life pivots — the career you walked away from, the version of yourself you outgrew, the season where the old map stopped working and the new one hadn't shown up yet. Hosted by Brian and Michael, two friends in West Michigan who left traditional careers to build more meaningful lives, and who are still very much in the middle of figuring that out.
Every episode is an honest conversation about what change actually feels like from the inside. Sometimes it's the two of us talking through what we're navigating right now — the doubt, the money questions, the small wins, the mornings that don't go to plan. Sometimes it's a guest who's been through a pivot of their own: a career change, a move, a divorce, a diagnosis, a business that failed or a business that finally worked. We ask real questions, we listen, and we share what helped — including the yoga and mindfulness practices that have kept us grounded for more than a decade, explained in plain language and without the woo.
What you won't get: hustle-culture pep talks, five-step frameworks, or anyone pretending to have all the answers.
What you will get: the feeling of sitting around a fire with people who've walked through a few seasons of change and are willing to walk alongside you through yours. A little more clarity. A little more courage. And a reminder that uncertainty isn't the end of the story — it's usually where the good part starts.
New episodes weekly. Between Here & There is the beginning of a Midwest home for meaningful transformation — close to where life actually happens.
Available on:
Spotify
Apple Music
