บทถอดความฉบับเต็มของ Do You Actually Need a Personal Trainer? | Personal Training vs. Group Fitness

00:01:55.760 Beautiful. 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:56.079 Okay. 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:57.040 Second question. 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:01.120 Can group fitness provide everything that someone needs? 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:02.480 Yes. 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:03.280 Nice. 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:03.840 Okay. 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:08.800 Is paying for a personal trainer worth the additional investment? 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:11.520 Depends on who you are, but I would say yes. 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:12.240 I love it. 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:12.639 Okay. 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:18.159 How much does individualized programming individualize for the person? 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:19.919 How much does that really matter? 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:22.960 I already said depends before, but it depends on the person. 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.000 Okay, nice. 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.039 As any true expert will stay start with, it depends. 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.479 Uh next question. 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:36.719 Are community, accountability, and enjoyment sometimes more important than the perfect exercise program? 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:37.759 100%. 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:38.960 Ah I love it. 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:39.360 Okay. 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:43.840 Does the quality of the coach matter more than the format? 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.599 I'm going to go in on this definitely a lot later, and I would say 100%. 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:48.879 It's all about the coach. 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:49.360 Love it. 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:49.599 Okay. 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:50.159 For sure. 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:51.680 And okay, I want to flip this around on you. 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.199 I want to ask you the same exact thing because again, I gotta get your opinion on it. 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:58.800 So, does personal training actually produce better results? 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.919 I say that personal training is the gold standard, so I'm gonna say yes. 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:02.639 Yeah, love it. 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:03.039 There we go. 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.080 Can group fitness provide everything that someone needs? 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:07.599 Everything. 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:09.199 I'm gonna say no. 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:10.960 Oof, okay. 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.560 Is paying for a personal trainer worth the additional investment? 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:16.560 I think this is where you and I might disagree. 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:17.759 I think yes. 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:18.400 Okay. 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:19.120 Okay. 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:24.159 And then how much does individualized programming really matter? 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:26.960 I think it matters. 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.599 I do not think it's the most important thing. 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:30.240 Okay. 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:36.479 And then are community accountability and enjoyment sometimes more important than the perfect exercise program? 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:37.120

Absolutely. 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:38.639 Yeah, we agree on that one. 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:42.240 And then finally, does the quality of the coach matter more than the format? 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:42.960 Absolutely. 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:43.280 Yeah. 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:43.840 There we go. 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:44.639 All right, good. 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:46.639 Okay, so we got some agreements, some disagreements. 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:47.840 I'm excited to get into it. 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:55.520 Before we go into the pros and the cons of the group fitness in the personal training realm, let's give the listeners a little bit of our story. 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:56.879 How did we get into coaching? 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:58.560 How do we get into personal training? 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.639 Tell the listeners about how you started and how you got to where you are now. 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:07.280 That might help uh uh the listeners understand a little bit more of why we answer the questions the way we do. 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:08.400 Yeah, no, absolutely. 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:13.280 Uh so I mean, growing up, pretty much my my entire life, I was always I was always an athlete. 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:18.959 I always played sports, mainly football, and I ended up transitioning into lacrosse, and that's where I ended up um playing in college. 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:24.639 I played lacrosse in college where I ended up transferring and moving out of that, but you know, we can dive into that a little bit deeper. 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:26.720 But I was always on like the heavier side. 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.720 I was like, I was the lineman, I was the you know, in any sort of sport. 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:31.600 I was the center. 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:33.920 I always just was the bigger kid. 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:37.519 Uh, but I was always like strong, I was in you know decent shape. 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:50.720 And once I got into high school was really when I started to get into Olympic lifts, so it was you know, deadlifts, squats, the you know, the good stuff, the stuff like that I honestly still love, and I would call that like the gold standard of working out as well. 00:04:50.959 --> 00:05:12.639 Um, but I got into that, and when I ended up going to play lacrosse in college, I really got a taste of like what high-level exercise programming is like and getting high-level coaching from like strength and conditioning coaches and realizing that there's levels to it, and it's not just like, hey, one size fits all, like it's completely different for everybody. 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:19.199 And you know, the workouts were custom programmed to the specific athletes, like you had your own workout, it was really cool. 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:26.319 Um, but I ended up getting into modeling where I ended up working in LA and also down here in San Diego, and I lost a bunch of weight. 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:29.360 I went from like 230

pounds down to 150. 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:36.800 I lost a bunch of weight, and I ended up having this moment where I went to go like buy something and someone mentioned something. 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:38.720 They're like, oh, like, you know, how old are you? 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:39.120 Whatever. 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:49.920 And I was 19 or 19 at the time, and they missed totally like you know, mistaked me with like a 13-year-old because I was so small, and I was like, okay, I gotta change this. 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.639 So started to get into bodybuilding, started to understand. 00:05:52.720 --> 00:06:05.759 I mean, I for any person that's within that 19 to 25-year-old range, like growing up and seeing Chris Bumstead and all of these like big bodybuilder influencers, Gymshark, Young LA, uh, you really get into it. 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.439 And I really got into the whole bodybuilding craze of everything. 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:29.759 And uh, that was where you know, I was I was looking just for opportunities and looking for places to coach, and I was doing just some kind of like you know, one-off little programming for people, and I ended up becoming I actually applied to just be a front desk at an Orange Theory place just because I was like, I just want to be in the area, I wanted to be around people that are you know, wanting to get in shape and they're motivated. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:41.279 And in my interview, they were just like, Hey, you're pretty social, we don't have any other guy coaches, we'll we'll pretty much hook you up with you know your ACE certification if you want to become a group fitness instructor. 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:42.959 I was like, sure. 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:51.920 So ended up going through that whole thing and I ended up learning the things that I liked, learned the things that I didn't like, and I really got to understand the importance of programming. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:58.560 Yeah, because when you're at a gym that's like Orange Theory, where it's a large, it I mean, it's a huge chain. 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:03.120 There's Orange Theories everywhere, they're in Japan, they're literally all over the world. 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:11.040 And when you realize that every single gym all across the world, I don't know how many locations they have, they're doing the same exact exercise. 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:17.279 And with millions of members, you know that not everyone's gonna need that specific thing. 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:24.560 So I ended up venturing out, got into ended up going to Crunch, got to a big box gym, started to focus more on personal training. 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:31.600 I did that for a while, and that was just a really good practice for me in terms of working with people and learning learning people's bodies. 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:33.279 Because like I was like, okay, this is gonna be cool. 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.720 I'm gonna be able to come in and I'm just gonna be able to

copy paste my workout and give it to other people. 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:38.639 And it was like, I can't do that. 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:47.759 I mean, if there's someone who's you know, uh a woman who's a little bit older, she's in her 50s, she's in a completely different stage of life than a 21-year-old. 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:48.800 Like, it's completely different. 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:50.079 I can't give them the same thing. 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:56.879 Um, but that's how I ended up getting into it and ended up moving back down, ended up getting in connection with uh sweat circuit. 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.800 And I mean, that's that's where we both work at, and it's I mean, it's unbelievable. 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:16.560 Like, there's just that's I want to dive deeper on that whole community aspect of it because that's where I do have the argument of like the perfect program doesn't matter as much as like if you're motivated enough because the people that you're around and you know you're gonna have a good time, if that motivates you to get in the gym, then I mean 100% do it. 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:17.680 Yeah, I think that's way more important. 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.720 So yeah, we'll save that for a little bit, but that's so I love it. 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:22.000 But yeah, what about you? 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:23.920 Uh for me, I was just like you. 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.079 I got into fitness because I was an athlete. 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.720 I did a bunch of sports, I wanted to be stronger. 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:32.240 In high school, my nickname was Chicken Legs and Skinny Bones. 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:33.840 So that tells you where I was at. 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:37.919 Uh, I went to a really small school, so it's you know, we teased each other and it was totally fine. 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:44.639 But after I finished high school, I went to a community college and I was playing uh basketball down in Eugene, Oregon. 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.200 And I actually wanted to be a pilot. 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.159 I thought that that was like the cool job, you know. 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:53.440 I thought you'd have so much prestige and you could help people and you could travel. 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.480 And I got my private pilot license while I was playing basketball. 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:03.440 And I, you know, as I went into it, I was like, this is cool, but I much prefer athletics and sports. 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.200 And so I changed my major from aviation to athletic training. 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.080 And I wanted to help people after they got injured. 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:19.039 And I did a bunch of training with athletic training uh a little bit at Lane, and then I went up to Oregon State and I realized, you know what? 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:21.039 I hate seeing people injured. 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:28.720 It's even to this day, I see people, sports athletes get hurt, and I just I don't care if they're on the team that I hate the most, I get so sad for them. 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:30.240 So I'm like, you know what? 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:35.360 I need to do I need to not help people recover from injuries, I need to help people prevent injuries. 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.200 So I changed my major a third time into um fitness and nutrition. 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:45.200 And I after community college, I actually took a little bit of a break because I went into the military. 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:55.360 So I was uh going into the Army National Guard uh to join my dad and my brother, and I was actually the lead PT instructor as I went through it. 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:58.639 I got soldier of the cycle uh over thousands of soldiers. 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:02.000 I had the highest PT score and at um academic score. 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:06.320 So I received a really prestigious award and I was like, this is what I was meant to do. 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:08.639 I am really, really excited about this. 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:09.840 I would do this for free. 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:17.360 So as I finished up my military training, I went back to Oregon State and I was there for I did the uh the Van Wilder thing. 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:18.960 I was there for like six years. 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:22.639 So uh I studied fitness and nutrition. 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:24.480 I took all the athletic electives. 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:33.279 It was just, I became the um uh I I went and was a personal trainer at the Dixon Rec Center and I eventually worked my way up to the top trainer at Dixon Rec Center. 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.519 Shout out to Oregon State and Dixon Rec Center. 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:37.679 It's still to this day, I know you're a duck. 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:38.320 I'm a duck. 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:38.799 I'm a duck. 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:39.120 Yeah. 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:44.159 To this day, the Dixon Rec Center is the nicest fitness facility that I've ever been in. 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:50.159 And what I did was I would train all the students, and I would also train the professors. 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:59.120 So I had this contrast of these older people that had mobility issues and strength issues and deficiencies like osteoporosis and osteopenia. 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:03.120 And then I would have these like young students who had nothing wrong with them. 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:08.480 They could, you could throw the freaking kitchen sink at them and they would just be able to respond and bounce back and grow. 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:10.399 So that was a really cool experience. 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:15.759 Once I finished Oregon State, I sold everything I owned that could not fit in my car. 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:20.480 And I drove down to San Diego, California, because it's the most beautiful place in the world. 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.080 And I didn't have a place to work, I didn't have a place to stay.

00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.559 I was like, I just knew this was where I needed to be. 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.919 I eventually got a job on my way down, driving down. 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.519 I applied on um uh for a job at 24 Hour Fitness all the way over in Santee. 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:38.159 For those of you that don't know, it's not really San Diego. 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.799 It's kind of like East County, it's way out there. 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:44.480 And so I got my first taste of a real big box gym. 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.320 Like it's not the Dixon Rec Center where I had like students and faculty. 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:49.519 This was like a real thing. 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:57.360 And I spent six months there learning how to be a personal trainer, how to log everyone's information, how to sell, how to do all this kind of stuff. 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:03.039 And, you know, I kind of saw it as like the Walmart of fitness. 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:04.080 It was not for me. 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:09.279 Like, I know some 24-hour fitnesses are probably better than others, but just where I was at, I had a really good fitness manager. 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:10.480 Um, he was amazing. 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:12.960 He really helped to start my journey. 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.360 But I was like, I need to do something else. 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:22.000 So I actually applied for a job at Orange Theory, which is where our stories kind of like interconnect, which is so random. 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.879 Um, but I was actually on the ground floor. 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.399 This was years and years ago, over 11 years ago, I think. 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:32.000 There were only three or four Orange Theories in San Diego. 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:36.799 And to put that into perspective, now there's over like 15 to 20 locations in San Diego. 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.080 So I was kind of in on the ground floor when Orange Theory started. 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:55.039 Uh, shout out to my mentor, the person I look up to, one of the most important people in my lives, Pete Sellner, who is the um he is the director and the uh whole region manager of San Diego and Orange County. 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:56.159 Um shout out. 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:57.200 Yeah, he's amazing. 00:12:57.279 --> 00:12:59.440 He's insanely awesome at what he does. 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:02.080 He's who he's a he's the type of leader that you want. 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:03.600 He leads from the front. 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:08.159 He comes in and he cleans the bathrooms, even though like he's this top dog. 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:09.759 Like he I respect him so much. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:14.480 Anyway, at Orange Theory, I learned the power of community. 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.799 Like, I started Orange Theory, I was terrible. 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:25.759 I tell a story all the time where I my first class I ever coached, I was coming into a studio that had

been there for two years, Point Loma, and I was the new guy, they had been doing it forever. 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:31.600 And I came up, and you're supposed to give this intro in the lobby, and you're supposed to give a little overview of the workout. 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:37.759 So I stood on the bench in the lot in the in the lobby, 24 people chatting, chatting, and I'm like, hey, what's up, everybody? 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:38.720 How we doing? 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:43.840 They all look at me like I had a disease and crickets, dude. 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:50.720 And so that was my first like learning lesson of you have to earn the rapport of the members before you really start to go after it. 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.360 And just all these little things that Orange Theory does well. 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.840 They train their coaches to be on top of everything. 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:58.240 Like, I give so much respect to Orange Theory. 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.840 I worked there for five years and I coached over 6,000 classes. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:12.080 Um, I found that I loved the community and I loved the culture, and I just I just love the people I worked with, but the program just was not what I thought it was. 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:18.080 It was, I saw people come in for a couple months, be successful, and then they would they plateau with their weight loss. 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.960 They would get shin splints, they would have these nagging injuries. 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:23.120 And I was like, the program could be better. 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:29.360 So I decided that I would kind of branch off and do my own thing, even as much as it hurt me to leave my tribe. 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:33.279 Like I still love the people that I worked with and the members that I was at. 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:41.840 But I wanted to try to do something different, and I had an opportunity to go to a place where I could program the workout design and I could help with it. 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:46.320 So I started a new concept uh with my business partner and Jamie. 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.279 We did uh Eat the Frog Fitness for a while. 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:55.600 We opened up in January of 2020 with the intention of opening up 20-something studios in San Diego and Orange County. 00:14:55.840 --> 00:15:00.240 January 2020 was our first studio, and you all know what happens three months later. 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:19.279 Uh, so we had three years where we were just working so hard from behind trying to figure out and navigate this new world with COVID and quarantine and shutdown, and and the way that they treated gyms in California was so trash compared to like they had liquor stores and strip clubs open, but they would close the gym. 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.799 So it was just like it was that kind of nonsense that was really, really frustrating. 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:31.039 We ended up not being able to make Eat the Frog work, and

so that's where I found my current partners at Sweat Circuit, and the rest is kind of history. 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:32.240 We've been here for three years. 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.960 We just brought you on, we're super excited to have you as part of the team. 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.360 And honestly, no bias. 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.759 When I saw the Sweat Circuit program, I'm like, this is what I've been waiting for. 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:49.440 It's the opportunity to teach group fitness strength training rather than just, you know, running around sweating, getting sore. 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:51.679 We can do strength training in the group fitness setting. 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:57.360 And ever since I started coaching group fitness, I think I um tallied up about two years ago. 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:03.600 I tallied all the classes that I have ever coached, and I've done over 15,000 hours of group fitness in my past. 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:09.039 And I'm like, this right here is the closest I can get to combining personal training and group fitness. 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:12.399 So I'm really excited for Sweat Circuit, and that's kind of where we meet. 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:24.399 And that's like uh I just saw so many similarities in myself and you, and I think that this is like a really, really cool opportunity for us to give our advice and our experience and our wisdom based on like our two different generations. 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:36.080 So the thing that people are gonna realize too is like in like when I was getting interviewed and going through the whole process to get brought onto Sweat Circuit, and I ended up, you know, actually having like real conversations with Damien. 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:41.120 It was like you realize very weird, mirrored types of life. 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:42.320 Like it was it was crazy. 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:54.399 I mean, like, because I ended up when I transferred to the University of Oregon and I ended up graduating from there, he told me that he'd you know, he'd grown up, he'd gone to Lane, which is the school that's a block away from UO. 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:55.360 Like it's the same thing. 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.600 We're both Orange Theory coaches, it's super crazy. 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:04.480 So that's the whole entire point of this entire thing is to be able to bounce those ideas off of each other while being from different generations. 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.880 Like the amount of experience that you have with group fitness compared to mine is like not even close. 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:13.839 And I think that that's why I love to have these conversations, be able to like learn from you. 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:22.240 And I mean, you've probably noticed it, but like I ask a lot of questions, and like you know, it gets annoying, but like I I I love to just intake as much information as possible. 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:27.440 So I mean the whole goal is to have listeners as well be able to pull something out of it that'll be able to help them. 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:28.400 So yeah, yeah. 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:39.039 While you haven't been in it as long as me, I have seen some things in you that have made me think like this guy is going to be something special because you I got into it for a little bit of a selfish reason. 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:53.680 I wanted to be stronger, I wanted to be bigger, I wanted like it, all of the fitness was kind of about me until I started helping people and I got fulfilled from that and it kind of turned around into this altruistic thing where I can kind of really see the benefits of helping others rather than myself. 00:17:53.839 --> 00:18:01.440 But with you, it's like you're always asking questions, you're always trying to learn, you're always trying to do the extra mile of getting people more value. 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:06.640 And I'm telling you, man, if you continue that, you're gonna, you're gonna do way more than I've ever done. 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:19.440 So I am really, really excited to see your journey and help you along and just give you the things that I've learned and the things that I've failed at, so that hopefully you don't have to fail at quite as many things and you can kind of have that, you know, standing on the shoulder of giants type of thing. 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:20.480 Yeah, it means a lot, man. 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:20.880 Sweet. 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:22.400 Okay, so let's go into round one. 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:28.160 Let's give the pros the benefits, all the good things that we can think about for personal training. 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.039 Then we'll go into the pros for the group fitness setting. 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.880 After that, we'll go into the the cons and the things that may be maybe limitations for both. 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:39.759 So talk about some things that you think that are really, really great about personal training. 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:48.000 It personally, like from I mean, I've personally for personal training, I think that it's the thing that I value the most as well. 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:54.240 Um, is that when it comes to and that's why I was kind of saying like in the beginning, it really depends on who the person is. 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:59.359 But I think that the pros of personal training is that it is literally two people. 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.240 It is the coach and it is the person who is working out. 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:10.319 And the amount of space and area that you have to work with in terms of number one, time to be able to talk to them about it. 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:17.920 Like my goal, whenever I was meeting with clients, and you know, all of my clients can, you know, talk about this and vouch for me on this one. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:25.440 Is that like I spend the whole time talking, and I get that a whole lot of personal training is like, hey, people want to conversate

and they want to have friends, and I you know, I totally get it. 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:29.440 But like for me, it's like I'm talking the whole time and I'm explaining everything to you. 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:34.079 I'm explaining the mechanics, I'm explaining what you're trying to feel, the things that you're looking for. 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:38.720 And I think that that is something that's super important in terms of like contracting the muscle, right? 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:40.720 Like a perfect example, like a chest press. 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:46.640 Like, hey, if you're squeezing at the top or you think that you are, but you don't feel anything there, it's like we gotta change it. 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:52.880 Or on a row, hey, I would like put my hand right in the middle of their back and being like, squeeze, squeeze my fingers with your back. 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.240 Or use to try and squeeze in the middle so you can actually feel the contraction. 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:04.319 Like that's something that will then allow them, like once you start to reiterate that and say that over and over and over again, it just gets ingrained into their head. 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:20.720 And I think that that's the biggest part is that you as the coach, you know, from a coaching perspective, you don't have to bounce around from multiple people, make sure that people are being safe, doing whatever, make sure everyone's doing everything right, where it's just my only attention is on the specific person. 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:29.200 And I think for a lot of people who are not as deep into the fitness space and understanding their health, and you can literally be any age, it doesn't matter. 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:37.519 Um, I think that having that one-on-one is super important because you learn the basics, and that is that's the biggest part, is that once you have the basics now, it's like riding a bike. 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.440 And once you learn how to ride a bike, it's like you can kind of do a lot of stuff with that. 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:46.799 And so it's just learning the basics of it, and that's where I think that should you have a personal trainer forever? 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:56.400 I don't think so, but I think that everyone, if you are new to exercising and health and fitness, I I think it's super important personally. 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:57.279 I mean, what do you think? 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:06.640 Yeah, I think I like I said at the beginning, I think personal training is the gold standard when it comes to being able to get to your goals the fastest and most efficiently. 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:13.359 The reason why I think that is because when you have a personal trainer, like you said, it's individualized attention in a group fitness setting. 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.359 You know, you're sharing your coach's attention with a dozen or more people. 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:19.359 Uh, it's an individualized program. 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:25.440 So some people need more strength-based training where they have lower reps with longer rest uh rest periods. 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.119 Some people need a little bit more of a cardio-based uh workout. 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.200 Some people need different styles of training. 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:35.039 When you're in the group fitness setting, you have just that one program that you're doing. 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:39.839 Uh, the uh attention of being able to like actually stop. 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:45.599 And if a person struggles with RDLs, hip hinging, that's when you can break it down. 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:51.440 You can spend five, ten, twenty minutes on one movement, whereas you cannot do that in the group fitness setting. 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:58.640 You know, you can't stop the class and just work with one person on this skill that does require quite a bit of practice to be able to master. 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:03.119 Um, you also Also get that person who's tracking your progress, right? 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:10.559 They're tracking your lifts, your volume, they're tracking about if you're overtraining and your soreness level and if you need a little bit more of an easy day. 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.400 That's on the person when they're taking a group fitness setting, you know. 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.880 Um, you get that accountability, which also you get in the group fitness setting. 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:23.920 But when you have someone that is it's your it's like a dentist appointment, it's like dropping your kid off at school. 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:29.440 You are you are expected to be at this time, at this place, because that person is waiting for you. 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.440 And I think that is actually super, super powerful and underrated. 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:40.400 Uh, a lot of times showing up is a really, really hard battle for some people, and that accountability is huge. 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:47.680 Um, and then it's like if you're a personal trainer, you have the ability to specialize into different categories. 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:52.880 If if I'm when I started personal training, I started working with these professors that were a little bit older. 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:58.480 I gained the knowledge and experience of what a person in that age age range struggles with. 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:06.000 So, like the next time I see another person like that, I'm able to really modify and make my game plan based on what their demographic is. 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:14.880 And I just think that personal training, if you want to get to your goals the fastest, it's just like a, it's just like a financial advisor. 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:16.559 It's just like a teacher. 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:26.240 If you have someone to teach you the foundation of what you need, the foundation is set first without making so many mistakes, trying to do trial and error and figure it out.

00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:34.000 That is going to set you up for such a faster trajectory towards your goal than if you were to have, let's say, do it done it by yourself. 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:43.039 And now I'm over here, you know, you've seen the high school kids in the gym that are just like doing half reps and pumping it out and their forms all crazy and their stability is all over the place. 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:48.720 Like it's gonna take them a while to realize like this isn't correct because they're so resilient. 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.680 You can't hurt a 20-year-old kid, right? 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.000 It's it's impossible to like hurt that person. 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:59.359 So they're gonna go years of maybe training incorrectly, and then they might have to backtrack. 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:08.000 And that's like if you had a golf swing that you were you were playing for years, then you go to a golf instructor and like, bro, we're gonna have to break this all the way down and start back at zero. 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:15.440 That's what a personal trainer really, really uh allows you to do is set you on that trajectory to get to their the fastest. 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:15.759 Yeah. 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.759 So yeah, I mean, I think that's a lot of good pros for personal training. 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:20.000 Yeah. 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:26.079 Let's go to the group fitness side and say this is something like I've done way more hours of group fitness. 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.680 I've coached way more people. 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.880 It's not even close in the group fitness setting than personal training. 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:37.119 So this is where I may have a little bit of a bias because I do feel like this is like my bread and butter, what I was meant to do. 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:42.799 So tell me what you think about group fitness when it comes to the the benefits, the pros, the cons, or not the cons, just the pros. 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:47.680 Um, I mean, I would I would say, I mean, because again, I've I've had experience in multiple studios. 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:50.880 I've done group fitness at a big box gym, crunch. 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.319 I've done, you know, group fitness at an elite level at Orange Theory. 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:55.839 I've also done it at Sweat Circuit. 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.359 And again, like Sweat Circuit is in this is not a paid advertisement. 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:02.880 Like is genuinely like it's all about that community aspect of it. 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:25.759 And we're gonna talk about that a lot on here, but um, that's been the number one thing for me that I think is the pro is that every single and again, it's always comes down to to like I see it more at Sweat Circuit, which is more of a private group training studio rather than an orange theory where it's like, hey, you have a specific community in Point Loma, you have one in La Jolla, you have one like all these different areas. 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:31.839 It's like when it really comes down to like they're more scarce where they're at, it forces a lot more people to come together. 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:43.440 And I think that that's like the biggest thing because while I do think that personal training is really good for motivation, that was one of my biggest issues was that clients would cancel, stuff would come up. 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.160 It wasn't as big of a it wasn't as big of a deal. 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:54.640 And like when especially when you're like a crunch and you're like you're paying$1,400 a month, not even to me, a crunch, and you're not showing up. 00:25:54.799 --> 00:26:09.039 And it's like, and that's totally fine, but it's like at sweat circuit, it's like you have people where it's like and you realize once you're working out for a long enough time that it's like your motivation is gonna leave within the first year. 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:16.400 It's gonna be if you go consistently, you're gonna immediately lose the motivation, and it comes down to the repetition and the habits that you build. 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:24.559 And there's so many people like that I've noticed where it's like I'm coaching Wednesdays and Fridays, but the same people show up on Wednesday, and the same people show up on Friday. 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:33.039 And it's like they have this routine now that they're in, and even though they may not want to be there, and I can totally get the vibe on Wednesday when people are like it's early, like I don't want to be here. 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:56.000 I'm like, yeah, but you know, I'm I'm meant to be in here to bring the energy, and I think that the trainers more in these group settings are meant to feed the energy, of course, still coach and give the things, but it's more about bringing the energy and helping, helping in any way that you can to still make it that kind of more personal kind of feeling. 00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:05.519 And that's what's cool about the strength training group fitness setting, is that it is the workouts are more structured, they're more catered to what you need. 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:13.279 And depending on the coach, like if they're good, which is what we'll get into, they will be able to completely modify the entire workout for anybody. 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:28.160 And that is something that's huge, and it makes it even easier on the coach because now it's like, hey, I'm not really having to build these things out, but I know that if I get really good at understanding these specific stations and I can serve something up to these people, they'll be stoked. 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.440 And I think that that's I think that that's just super important. 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:39.599 And that's that's the pro for me, and being able to work out with your friends and have fun, and it's not just like this, you know, learning session. 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:40.240

Cause I understand. 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:48.720 I mean, dude, if you're 40, 50, you've been out of school for 20 years, and you know, why why would you want to go somewhere and then have to learn more and have to do whatever? 00:27:48.799 --> 00:28:00.160 Like you need you need to be in a specific mindset for it where it's like, hey, you show up to a group fitness spot, it's like you're having fun, the music's going, and everyone's able to just come together and enjoy that specific time. 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.240 They're like, I only come to the 6 a.m. 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:02.960 Great. 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:03.920 That's your thing. 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:10.000 If that gets you out of bed, do it because that's that's where it goes down to like the whole custom programming part. 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:15.680 You don't need the perfect program because if you're moving and you're moving your body, that's enough to get you in shape, and that's enough to get you where you want to be at. 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.519 So yeah, those are the pros for me. 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:18.000 Amen. 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:18.559 Yes. 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:30.160 And so this is kind of where we have to get a little more nuanced because just like in the personal training realm, just like um, just like teachers, just like uh financial advisors, whatever it may be, there's good and there's bad ones. 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.279 There's there's experts and there's people who are just getting started. 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.000 Like there's such a wide range of skill. 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:42.079 And so we're kind of talking about like when we talk about the pros of personal training, we're talking about like good versus good. 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.200 Like this is this is a good trainer, and this is what they do. 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:46.640 Group fitness is the same. 00:28:46.720 --> 00:29:03.279 Like you have all the way from the the sweat circuits, the orange theories, the F-45s, you have the berries boot camps, and then you can go into like the group fitness classes that are inside of big box gyms, like the Zumbas and the spins, and there's just so many different varieties of Pilates and yoga. 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:11.519 And it all really does come down to in group fitness who is leading that workout and who are the people that you're with. 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:16.960 If you have a great coach who cares about the members, it's not all about them. 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:23.440 You know, they they're using verbiage like us, our, we instead of I, me, my. 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:33.519 Like if you have a good group fitness instructor, that could be someone that you look to and you and you lean on to be your fitness professional. 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:34.640 They have your back. 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:39.920 And and in group fitness, not only do you have the power of the coach, you now have the power of the people with you. 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.880 You said, like the 6 a.m., you'll have the five and the 6 a.m. 00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.119 people who that is a hard time to get to. 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.000 That is a sacrifice you have to make to wake up early and get there. 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.880 You're not just gonna do that for yourself for years and years and years. 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:52.480 You're gonna find a crew. 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.559 Most gyms that I've gone to, they call the 5 a.m. 00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:55.440 the zombie crew. 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.839 They they are going to support each other and they're gonna check in on each other when you're not coming. 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.720 So, like that is so powerful. 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:17.599 Like the program could be subpar, but if you are doing a subpar program consistently, you are gonna get so much better benefits and results than if you did the perfect program for you for two weeks and then fell off for two months and just went through that yo-yo thing. 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.960 Group Fitness does a really good job of keeping people coming back. 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:25.039 If it's a good class, if it's a good workout, it's fun, it's motivating. 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.279 The energy in the room from the people and the music, it just drives everything. 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:30.960 You leave feeling accomplished. 00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:40.319 And when you have so many people around you cheering you on, giving you high fives, like that is just something that you kind of miss without that group fitness setting. 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.160 And like I said, there's just so many different aspects of group fitness. 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:49.200 You have the group fitness where it's like it's all about the program and people come in and work out and leave, and and it's great. 00:30:49.279 --> 00:31:02.319 And then you have the ones that lean on culture and community, and it's that's just the one thing that I think that group fitness above and above head and shoulders, above everything else that you do in fitness, it is the one thing that's gonna keep you coming back for more, uh, keep you consistent. 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.359 And we all know that the science is in the compliance. 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:11.039 If you do not, if you are not consistent in something over the long term, it's not gonna work out. 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:18.079 And so I guess the biggest thing is like pick something that you can do consistently, pick something that you actually enjoy doing. 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.680 And I think in the group fitness setting, it's a lot easier to find that. 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:23.440 So that's kind of the pros for me. 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:33.279 Uh yeah, let's go into like the negatives or the cons of personal training, the downsides of why someone uh might take group fitness over personal training. 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:38.880 Okay, I'm gonna take a little bit

of a little bit of a different take on this one. 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:44.640 Um, because in terms of the whole programming stuff, I mean, I will always think that. 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:51.680 I think the one-on-one being able to just work with someone very closely is very beneficial, and you know, it's the total gold standard. 00:31:51.920 --> 00:32:09.039 But um, my thought process with this and what I've what I experienced, you know, going from a big box gym personal training to then more of like the private side is that the washout rate in terms of coaches at at big box gyms, like at Crunch, right? 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.759 Yeah, it's when I say washout rate, I mean it's very low. 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:21.920 Trainers show up, it is maybe their second or their third job that they have, and it's the same thing with group fitness as well. 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:35.680 Yeah, but you have and you learn very quickly when you're in that space, especially as a coach, you're like, dang, anyone can get a anyone can get a certificate, and anyone can just say, Yeah, I'm a CPT, let's go. 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.440 And it's insane. 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:50.880 Where there's like I've seen people where it's like, and even they may be very, very gifted, and they may know, hey, then maybe they're a human fizz major and they know everything about the human body, but then I look over and when they're with their client, they're scrolling on their phone. 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:55.039 Yeah, and it's like, okay, well, that's not what we're going for. 00:32:55.119 --> 00:33:16.319 And that's like what I think is the downside to it, is it if you're a personal training, and I I'm gonna make this specific, is I think that the cons mainly land on big box gym personal training because the people and the coaches that are there, and this is not for everybody, I've met some coaches who are at these big box gyms where I'm like, why are you here? 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:18.640 Yeah, like you you are unreal. 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:24.880 Like, I've learned so much stuff from some of these people, and they're overqualified. 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.759 And then there are some people that are in there where it is just kind of like you clearly just don't take this seriously. 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:35.039 And when you look at it from a very serious point of view, it's like you're dealing with someone's health. 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:41.920 And like for me, my motivation was like I would sit down and I'd talk to people and I would figure out that what's that thing that makes them tick? 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:43.519 What's the thing that is motivating them? 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.519 Because most of the time it's not, oh, I want to get in shape. 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:51.599 It's like my doctor told me that if I don't lose 20 pounds in this amount of time, I'm not gonna be able to see my kids graduate. 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.079 And it's like that is what I'm looking for. 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.960 And if it's the right coach, they'll take that seriously and they'll use that and they'll be like, that's the motivation. 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:06.000 And I think that that's where like a lot of the cons come in with because a lot of people who are getting personal training are coming from these big box gyms. 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:19.760 And you know, when you just you run the risk of just running into a trainer who it's a trainer who needs a trainer, and I think that that's the that's the main problem that I have because you can just never know. 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:21.760 And especially if it's someone new, right? 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:29.039 If we're talking about the people who personal training is really meant for, like the people who are trying to get into it, they won't be able to sniff out someone who's not qualified. 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:42.159 Like clearly, like, you know, you you can't, you know, just be completely brainless and become a trainer, but it's like it's fairly easy, and a lot of people have access to it, and the door is just getting easier and easier to unlock every single time. 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:47.360 And you know, that's yeah, I I think that that's just like the biggest part is that you just you just don't know. 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:56.480 And that's the you know, you run the risk of like, hey, you're looking to a professional, you're a fitness professional, you're looking to them for the advice, and if they're hooking you up with the program, like what I was doing, right? 00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:02.239 In the very beginning of when I was getting into personal training, it was like copy and pasting workouts, and it was like this doesn't work. 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:09.119 And I realized very quickly that I was like, I need to step my game up if I want to make this my life because I'm not good. 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:10.480 Yeah, and I need to get better. 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:12.480 And we all go through that phase as personal trainers. 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.000 Like we realize we're at the top of the Dunning Kruger effect. 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.920 We think we know everything, and then we're like, oh, this is not working, and I'm not getting a lot of good results. 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:24.559 And the cons is the cons are that some trainers never reach that point. 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.000 Yeah, and that's that's scary. 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:35.039 It's scary to me, just with how much you and I both care about you know people's health and not wanting to see people get injured and wanting to help them reach their goals and not coming at from a selfish point of view. 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.239 It's like I'm gonna be selfish and like tell people. 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.639 I'm like, find someone else. 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.599 Like, you gotta like, or go to group fitness. 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.840 I'm like, you can, it's it's for it

literally just for everybody, like everyone can do it. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.840 So um, yeah, I would say that's the cons. 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.960 Is that it's just the barrier of entry is very low now. 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.119 And I mean, you see it like on Instagram, right? 00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.480 Like my buddy who's totally out of shape, he's getting NASA's certification ads. 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:02.400 And I'm like, and he's like, Oh, I'm gonna do it. 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:03.360 I'm like, please don't. 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:07.360 Like, we gotta like we gotta figure out the basics first and actually get you into it. 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.719 And just because you picked up a weight a couple times doesn't mean that you know what you're talking about. 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:16.800 Yeah, yeah, I think I think obviously the the downsides of personal training is the cost, the cost and the accessibility. 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.599 It's harder to find a good personal trainer, like you said. 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.920 Uh, an expensive trainer doesn't necessarily mean a good trainer, right? 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.119 And so it's really hard to know like what a good trainer is. 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:35.360 Um, you also have you might become dependent on that trainer, and that is someone that you need in order to get into your workouts. 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.119 And then what happens when that trainer moves away? 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:39.039 What happens when you get bored with that trainer? 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:54.079 Um, I think the downsides of finding a good personal trainer, if you don't, you're spending one, two, three hours every single week with this person intimately for an hour, like you don't spend that amount of time with your best friends sometimes. 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.559 So, like, this is someone that you need to get along with. 00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:04.719 And so if it's someone that's not super engaging, not super, you know, talkative, or you know, can't hold a conversation, like that could be a really big downside. 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:10.239 Um, the lack of the group energy, like like we already talked about, that is super powerful. 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:12.480 So we've talked about the pros and the cons. 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.679 What are some green flags and some red flags for someone looking to get a personal trainer? 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.199 Like you you talked a little bit about it, but well, okay, like the one I mean, we missed do we say the cons for not yet, yeah. 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:21.360 Yeah. 00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:42.800 Well, so for group training, though, I just super quick is that with group training, the the only thing that I can think of is that you just don't get the value of time that a train because again, a lot of the trainers at these boutique private gyms are they're they're not able to give you, hey, the hour-long one-on-one help to be able to

do it. 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:44.559 It's like, I mean, like even today, right? 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:56.159 Like I'm they're performing a snatch, and I'm I'm having to give them these super quick, hey, remember, you know, bend the legs, hinge at the hips, chest up, like, and uh that could just be going in one ear out the other. 00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:20.400 Um, but then also touching on the you know personal training side is that I also don't want people thinking either, and it'll catch a lot of people by surprise, but people who do their own personal training and they're not part of Crunch and they're part of either they have their own, they have their own business or they work within something else that's a little bit more private, it's like you'll realize that these big like the big box gyms, they make majority of their money from personal training. 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.519 Yeah, so it's priced out. 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:26.480 And it's like if you get a trainer who has their own thing, they're most likely gonna charge you a lot less. 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:32.320 And it's like because again, they're not take no one's taking a majority of their money, it's not that big of a deal. 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:38.719 So um, yeah, but so you're saying green flags, sorry, I went on a little tangent there, but green flags of what? 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.599 Uh of a personal trainer. 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:41.840 If I'm looking to get a personal trainer, what are the green flags? 00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:42.559 What are the red flags? 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:43.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.199 Uh, I mean, green flag number one, they can talk to you. 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:46.079 I think that that's huge. 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:58.719 Like, if they if they can talk and they can really just go in depth on what they're doing with you, and they're not just because there are a lot of trainers too, like, well, hey, Kale, they'll show up and like it's social hour for them too. 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.559 And you know, that's how you end up talking about relationships and talk about everything else. 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:11.280 And it's like if the coach can explain to you what they're doing and they can break down their plan for you going forward, like that's what I always did. 00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:12.960 It's like I wrote out a plan. 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:31.280 So after I would do my introduction little you know thing, if they wanted to keep going and like we go into our second session, I'm like, we would sit down first and I'd be like, hey, come in early so that I can explain to you my plan of action, because that'll show you that they're like, I'm paying attention to what you're saying. 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:40.960 Yeah, where hey, you can swing back and be like, hey, by us doing this, you're gonna be able to lose 20 pounds by March or whenever, and you'll be able to see your kids graduate. 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:41.679 That's important to me. 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:42.559 Your goals are now mine. 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:42.800 Yeah. 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:50.079 If a coach says that and it is like, your goals are now mine, you're like, yeah, that's I think that that's the biggest thing that you can do. 00:39:50.159 --> 00:40:01.440 Because if they care just as much as you do, or they care more, that's I mean Bro, that's so smart too, because you're you're listening to their why, you're connecting their why to their motivation and getting them in there. 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.960 And then you're also you're explaining the why behind your programming. 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:14.480 So not only are you letting them know that you are listening to their why, but you're also giving them the game plan as to why you're doing what you're doing with them. 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:19.039 So you're teaching the person how to fish rather than just giving them the fish to eat, you know? 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:20.719 It's like that is so powerful. 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:21.679 Great green flag. 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:22.159 I love that. 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:26.239 Does it does a personal trainer have to be fit to be a personal trainer? 00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:29.280 We might have to shelf this one, but just real quick. 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:40.880 Um, yeah, I mean, you know, I I have I have some serious, uh, serious concerns about this, but that's where we kind of swing back to the whole idea of barrier of entry of like literally anyone can be a trainer. 00:40:41.119 --> 00:41:02.880 And it's like, do I I mean, because we were talking about this honestly like the other day, but if you're not living the stuff that you preach and the stuff that you talk about, I mean, from a trainer's perspective, looking at another trainer, you want to like just like how you sympathize with people who get injured and all this other stuff, like you sympathize with other people's clients. 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:10.400 Because if you're like, man, I don't know what advice they're giving you, but if they're giving you the same advice that they're giving themselves, I'm like, whoa, yeah, whoa. 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.360 Like that's definitely it's tough to see. 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:30.719 And I also think, too, that like, hey, I mean, if you are very knowledgeable, I think that's great, but I think you lose just as as a coach from yourself, if you are out of shape as a coach, it's more of like a you lose some of that credibility when you're marketing yourself and you're trying to reach out to people and they're like, Well, why would I want to work with him? 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:40.880 If anyone has any sort of idea of like because because here's the thing as subconsciously, when you're younger, you're like for me, right? 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:48.800 I'm I'd see Arnold, I would see you know, Chris Bumstead, I would see all these guys, and again, I could never get to that point without you know

blasting steroids. 00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:53.199 But you see these things and you're like, I want to look like that, I'm gonna do what they do. 00:41:53.360 --> 00:42:04.320 And then if someone sees you and they want to train with you, it's like the a lot of the thing when it comes to personal training, even group fitness, is that they look at the coach because it's like you're the one that's leading everything. 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:11.119 And if they don't want to look like you, it's like, okay, that's a little bit of a I I don't know. 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.639 I I I have very strong opinions on it, but I mean, why what do you think? 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:31.039 Yeah, I so I have kind of a devil's advocate advocate hot take on this just because I've seen so many, I've seen so many people that have gotten to fitness for themselves and gone through this huge transformation, and maybe they started at like 300 pounds and now they're down to like 220. 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.760 They might still be a little fluffy and overweight, but they've gone through this huge transformation. 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.840 You wouldn't look in them and be like, oh, this person is jacked and amazing. 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:41.679 And but they have the experience. 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.800 So whereas me, I've always been a skinny guy. 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:48.639 I have a harder time connecting with someone that needs to lose hundreds of pounds. 00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:54.480 That person might be an amazing coach, even though they don't have as much wisdom or experience or whatever the case may be. 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.119 Now, however, now let's just be real about it. 00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.480 Your body is your billboard, it's it's a marketing tool. 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:07.679 So you are going to have a harder time getting clients to realize that you have this experience because you don't look a certain way. 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.719 So you just have to notice that and be aware of that. 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:12.480 But then there's also the other end of the spectrum. 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:19.039 You could have that Instagram model who's just shredded to the gills who only knows how to train themselves. 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:25.280 And then they get all these hundreds of online clients who they just do a copy-paste workout program and nutrition program. 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:28.960 And even though they are jacked, they are the most shredded person you've ever seen. 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:30.880 Like that is not a good personal trainer. 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:36.159 So I think, yes, it matters, but not because of the way most people think it does. 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.159 I think that it's important for a person to vibe with their trainer. 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:50.159 And if you have a goal that this trainer has never gone through themselves, they might have trained hundreds of people that have gone through it, but they haven't done it themselves. 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:51.440 There's something to say about that. 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.440 So it's, I think it's so nuanced. 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:59.840 I don't think that you need to be a good in a good, super uh shredded, low body fat percentage. 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:04.559 To be a good personal trainer, but I do think that at times it's going to help you obtain clients. 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:06.239 So that's kind of where my thought is on that. 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:13.920 Yeah, well, ladies and gentlemen, this is exactly the type of experience and knowledge that you get when he got his personal training certificate when I was born. 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.239 So that just comes with experience. 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.079 I have a very closed-off perspective on that. 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.079 But yes, I really do agree with that. 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.599 I think that it it really you have to you have to learn someone's story as well. 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:30.800 Like just like how the trainer learns the client's story, the client also has to learn the the coach's story and where they're from and you know what they do. 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:32.400 So yeah, I think that that's it's huge. 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:32.880 Yeah. 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:37.599 And with the downsides of group fitness, like you have the limited attention. 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:41.760 Uh, the downsides of group fitness, the programs aren't going to match your needs a hundred percent. 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:45.679 So you do have to do the work to be able to be able to know how to modify. 00:44:45.840 --> 00:45:00.400 Most group fitness places will let you modify based on what your goals are, but you kind of have to understand that a good group fitness coach will be able to see what you need and be able to offer that, but not every group fitness coach is there at that level. 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:07.039 Um there might not be enough progressive overload for the exercises that you're looking for when it comes to strength training. 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:14.639 And then you're gonna have those cardio bunnies in those group fitness classes that always love to do the lightweights for high reps and never stop moving. 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:23.360 And it's hard to do your workout when it needs longer rest periods or heavier weights or whatever the case may be, when you have all these people around you doing that kind of thing. 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:31.840 So you just have to know when you do a group fitness setting class, it is all about what you need and you should be able to modify based on what you need. 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.039 And if the a program doesn't allow you to do that, it probably isn't the best fit for you. 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:46.239 So just when you're looking for a group fitness class, just make sure that you uh see that and then also take the time to talk to the trainer before the workout. 00:45:46.400 -->

00:45:50.480 Come in 10 minutes early and just say, hey, here are my goals, here's what I'm looking for. 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.599 Is there anything in this workout that I can do to help me get there? 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.639 Does there anything that I should change in order for me to get there? 00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.119 That's gonna be a huge aspect of that. 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:08.400 Do you think that um do you think a bad personal trainer uh actually can it be worse than a great group fitness instructor? 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:16.400 So if I have a bad personal trainer, is that can that actually be worse than a great group fitness instructor when it comes to the gold standard? 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:16.880 Yeah. 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:17.519 Yeah, right. 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:18.079 100%. 00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:19.280 I would I would fully agree. 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:28.079 And I think that that was like the other thing too, like that I was wanted to get at is that like for, I mean, both of us being Orange Theory coaches, you went through the whole cert process. 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:37.519 There are so many coaches out there that are group fitness trainers, like the people like that I worked with in Eugene at that Orange Theory, like Grace Zenke, you're amazing. 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:38.880 Ashley, like you guys are great. 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:40.559 Like shout out that, yeah, shout out. 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:48.159 Those people are the the knowledge that those people have to go through, like compared to like, hey, if you want to get into an F-45, right? 00:46:48.239 --> 00:47:03.760 It's like hey, if you have your group fitness certification, you're in, but Orange Theory, it's like it's a month-long training process just to learn the layout and to learn the body mechanics and what like it is it's very high tech the stuff that they do. 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:25.760 Um, but yeah, I mean it really it literally comes down to what because the whole point is like you are a fitness professional, and if a coach can't give you their advice or their point or their kind of tips and tricks or whatever, whether it's in a personal training setting by one-on-one, or it's say it's in a class like Orange Theory with 50 people, or it's like Sweatser go with 24. 00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:33.920 Like, if they can do that, I think that that's what makes a great coach, is be and I think that that can kind of it can flip-flop. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:47.440 Like someone who's great at personal or who's not great at personal training could be a great group fitness coach because they don't have to be as attentive, they can just focus more like, hey, they may have the mechanics down of everything, but maybe they're not as good as being able to socialize and being able to explain stuff to you and whatever. 00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.519 But if their goal is just to show you, it's like okay. 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:50.880 Um, and I think the same thing too. 00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:55.679 Like, you may not be great at it, maybe overwhelming for some people who are getting into group training and they want to become a personal trainer. 00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:56.880 That could be a great fit for you. 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.119 So I think they really just it just goes back and forth, but I don't think that you can be. 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:09.440 Um, I I think the group fitness would be a lot better choice if you're like, I don't know if my trainer really knows what he's talking about. 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:10.159 Yeah, for sure. 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:10.639 Yeah. 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:18.800 And I as someone who has hired and trained dozens and dozens of coaches over the past decade, I always look for this. 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.400 I'm looking for someone. 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:25.119 I know that it's really important to have a diverse group of trainers on your team. 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:30.800 And some of them may be drill sergeant instructors, some of them may be hype men, some of them may be the educational kind. 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.000 Like there's all different styles of training and coaching. 00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:39.519 And I've seen some brilliant personal trainers who can break things down and then they get into the group fitness setting. 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:41.039 And it's just like they're boring. 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:46.239 They like, you know, they can't hold a conversation when it comes to group, they can't hold people's attention. 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:56.159 And it's like I've seen some really, really great group fitness instructors, they can't make their way into the personal training realm because it's just like they're just hype men or cheerleaders or whatever the case may be. 00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:00.159 And they don't, you know, it's it doesn't mean that you're gonna be great at both. 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:12.079 I think that if you're choosing either one and you're looking for a personal trainer or a group fitness coach that you connect to, listen for the us, our, we, the, the verbiage where it's like this is about us. 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:16.880 And if it's ever always about them, like give me more, I want you to do this. 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:22.239 Uh, I think I I'm I'm I'm all about me when it comes to like the way that I talk. 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:23.679 Like, that's a red flag. 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.280 You should personal trainer or group and assistant instructor, they're not there for the right reasons. 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:39.119 They're probably still in that phase where it's mostly all about them and they're in it just because you know they want to be that next fitness model or that next person on the Orange Theory Instagram or whatever the case may be. 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:50.239 Um, there's one thing I do want to ask you though, is that you know, you being in the driver's seat kind of and hiring these coaches, like

what you were saying was hey, some people bring different things to the table. 00:49:50.400 --> 00:50:00.320 Would you rather hire someone who is strictly a I mean, it kind of goes down to like knowing a whole lot about one thing or knowing a little bit about a lot. 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:21.840 Would you rather have a coach in in your specific in your ideal studio who is really good at either the informational stuff or they're very drill instructor-like or motivational or whatever, they only really have one side to them, or would you rather have a coach who is they dabble in a little bit of everything? 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.360 I think that that's interesting. 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:23.840 I don't know. 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:24.320 What do you think? 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:33.199 When I hire, I am looking for, you know, I see their experience, I see what they've done in their past, I've seen all this, and you know what I look for? 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:35.440 I look for someone who is a team player. 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.360 I look for someone that it's all about us over me. 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:42.719 I look for someone that uh goes the extra mile. 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:46.000 I don't care if you have years and years of experience. 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:55.440 If you're someone that just clocks in, clocks out, doesn't do any of the extras, you don't tidy up the room, you don't set your next coach coming in for the next block up for success. 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.360 Like, I don't need you on your team. 00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:03.119 I don't care if you have 50 years of experience group fitness coaching, that's going to be a cancer to the team, yeah. 00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.320 Whether you're amazing at what you do or not. 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:12.400 Like, I'm looking for someone that is putting in the effort that wants to be a part of a team. 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.800 I can teach you everything else, you know? 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:19.679 I can teach you to go around the room and make corrections, to use names and all that stuff. 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:27.039 But the the untangibles that I can't teach are effort and being a part of a good teammate. 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.239 And so that's what I look for when I when I'm hiring coaches. 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:31.599 Um yeah. 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.519 Yeah, no, I fully agree on that. 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:33.840 Yeah. 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:40.880 Well, do you think some group fitness exercise programs are um just entertainment disguised as exercise? 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:42.079 And is that a bad thing? 00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:54.559 Uh um, I think, I mean, and again, like I'm I'm not using this to you know, just you know, take a dump on orange theory, but like I think that their workouts are very fun. 00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:56.239 They're very fun to coach. 00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.960 They're uh I think they're awesome, like truly, like because I think that, but they're for specific people. 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:06.639 Like when I was in Eugene, I would majority of my classes were college women. 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:08.719 And it was like that, that was their thing, right? 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:13.119 I mean, treadmill, row, lift a little bit of weights, you know, come out, sweat, and you feel good. 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.920 It's like, I think that that's super cool, and I think that that's great. 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.559 And I mean, if the coach is good, I mean, I think that's awesome. 00:52:18.800 --> 00:53:01.679 Um, but there are just some things where it is like it is not structured for success, and like that was how I really started to like have this deep desire to want a personal train, was because I would have members at Orange Theory come up to me crying, and they would just be like, I've been coming here for four years, I saw progress within the first six months, and then I've just plateaued, and it's like, oh man, okay, like, and and you realize that very quickly once you're in the fitness space and you're dealing with something that is uncomfortable for people and it's not their you know their first language, like they definitely struggle with it, and they come to you and they and in fact they feel comfortable enough to like come and cry to you about it and shed tears about it. 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:02.800 I'm like, man, it's deep. 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:10.480 And like I want to do everything I can to help you, but then when you're in this setting, it's like there's only so little that you can do. 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:18.000 Like, I got a five-minute gap in between classes, and I can't drop, you know, a hot lasagna of knowledge on you and some stuff. 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:22.559 Like, I have to like I have to break it up and I have to just have some of this, some like the struggle. 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:26.239 So, yeah, I think that some of the group stuff is definitely for show. 00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:29.840 I think a lot, I really think that any movement is beneficial, truly. 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.800 I think that hey, if you're getting out and you're moving, I think that's better than you choosing to stay home. 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:41.199 But having a program and you really only find that in like F-45 doesn't do that. 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:50.400 Like the places that are more niche and smaller, they have those programs because they have the time, they have the space to be able to we're progressive overlay. 00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:57.840 In the next four weeks, our whole goal is to track what we're doing, what can we fix, and lean on the coach to be able to help you with that. 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:03.840 And I think that that's that's huge, but it's very rare, and you need to you need to be very picky about where you end up. 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:11.039 If if you're very serious about your goals, if you have someone very specific, you're like, I want to build

muscle, probably don't go to orange theory. 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.840 You want to get really good endurance, go to orange theory. 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:22.159 Like, there's there's all these different things of like learning your goal and then learning the culture, learning the layout of these things, I think it's super important. 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:29.840 Yeah, and I think the key there is is like you said, if you're not getting your goals, then maybe something needs to change. 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:39.760 But if you're just looking to move your body, like I've seen this be so successful, and maybe we should do an episode on this of what exercise is versus what training is, if we can kind of dive into that. 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:40.159 Yes. 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.920 But I've seen so many people who get bored in in a certain group and they'll go to another group. 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:51.119 Like let's say they were they're getting tired of the running at Orange Theory, and then they switch over to a spin class. 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:56.079 And while spin is terrible for building muscle, they have so much fun. 00:54:56.159 --> 00:55:03.360 They're dancing on the bike, the soul cycle type of stuff, they're having a blast, the music is going, and it's like something that they look forward to in their day. 00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:05.199 Like that's what matters the most. 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.039 It goes all the way back to what we were talking about. 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:12.880 Like a subpar program done consistently is gonna get you more results than a perfect program done inconsistently. 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.280 So do what you enjoy. 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.360 Find something that you look forward to. 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:31.199 Then if you're not getting your goals, that's when you might have to make that slight change as to maybe I modify what I'm doing in the current workout, or I have to find a different program, or I need to access a personal trainer and cut back on this, the other thing that I'm doing. 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:33.199 So we're coming up onto the end here. 00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:34.639 I want to do a quick rapid fire. 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:40.719 I'm gonna give you a couple of case studies, and I want you to tell me if personal training or group fitness is uh the best for this person. 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:43.119 Let's make it a little more brief. 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:44.800 Uh we can kind of dive deeper into it. 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:48.000 If anyone is listening, wants to go deeper, like, oh, that's me, that's me. 00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:48.960 Let's talk more about it. 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.320 Let us know in the comments, send us a message, and we can kind of go over that. 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:57.119 But the first person is a complete beginner who has never pushed his brains. 00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:58.480 Oh, personal training. 00:55:58.559 --> 00:55:58.880 Nice. 00:55:58.960 --> 00:55:59.199 Okay. 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:00.239 Set the foundation. 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.280 Right at the bat, yeah. 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:01.760 I love it. 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:02.000 Okay. 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:06.960 A 40-year-old parent with limited time and a goal of getting stronger and healthier. 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:12.719 Ooh, uh, I would say personal training because I'm I'm just touching that really quick. 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.599 A lot of these trainers, they will do 30-minute sessions. 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:17.599 Well, I don't think that that is super beneficial. 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:20.480 I think that if you're on a time crunch and you have a lot of time, I think that's huge. 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:20.880 Yeah. 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:31.840 And I mean, I think there could be an argument for both ways, but when it comes to like this limited time frame, getting some uh getting a personal trainer to have your own time slot, sometimes group fitness classes can fill up. 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:35.119 So that and then you'd have to shift and a busy parent wouldn't be able to do that. 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.440 So yeah, I think personal training mostly on that as well. 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:42.559 What about a 65-year-old with mobility restrictions and specific physical limitations? 00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:52.159 I I'm gonna I'm gonna say personal training on this one just because it is a well, I don't know. 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:58.800 I if you go to if you go to the right group fitness gym, I would honestly say group fitness because it'll make it fun for you. 00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:07.679 And if you get the right coach and you find someone that you really like to go to religiously, I think that they will really be able to help you and be able to modify the workout so that you can progress more and more. 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:14.719 Yeah, like a mobility class or like a yoga class, like those would be great for someone with mobility issues and like someone that needs to move a little slower. 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:26.400 Uh, group fitness setting with with people in advanced age can be a little difficult because, like, let's say you struggle getting off and on a bike machine or a treadmill, and it's like, well, now I have one minute to switch between stations and I feel like rushed. 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:28.480 Like, so yeah, I could see both in there. 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:34.159 Uh, next person, someone who's been exercising for years but has stopped seeing results. 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:42.719 I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say group fitness because I think that a lot of the time when people stop seeing results, they kind of give up. 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:54.880 And I think that when you if you have a strong foundation, you know what you're doing, and you don't need the specifics of stuff, and it'll motivate you to get back in the gym and be around people, and that'll motivates you to work out harder.

00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:55.760 Yeah, do those things. 00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:57.039 So I would say group fitness on that. 00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.079 Yeah, I didn't even think about that. 00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:03.199 I was gonna say personal training because it's like you get that individualized program, but now that I hear you say that, like that's a great argument for that. 00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:03.599 Okay. 00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.960 Last one someone who struggles with motivation and consistency. 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:08.159 Oh, group fitness. 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:08.719 Group fitness. 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:09.440 Yes, I agree. 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:10.079 100%. 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:10.800 Nice, okay. 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:11.760 100% cool. 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:16.480 So as we cool down here, uh, let's give the listeners a takeaway from our conversation. 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:23.440 I wrote down three questions that you can ask yourself when you are looking to get a personal trainer or a group fitness uh class. 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:28.800 The first thing that you should ask yourself is what am I actually trying to accomplish with my fitness? 00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:30.320 What am I trying to accomplish? 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:38.400 Get that clear picture of your goal, and that should be able to help guide you based on what we talked about today, which direction might be a little bit better for you. 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:44.159 The second question is what's the biggest thing preventing me from reaching my goals? 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.320 What is preventing me from reaching my goals? 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:47.519 Is it accountability? 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:54.480 Is it the time that it takes for me to set aside to be able to get my workouts in? 00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:56.320 What is the thing preventing me? 00:58:56.480 --> 00:59:01.199 Then take the pros and the cons of what you heard about today and try to see if one fits better for the other. 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:10.559 And then the third question is what kind of coaching, what kind of environment, or what kind of accountability would be best to help me overcome that obstacle? 00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:20.239 Once you answer those three questions, I'm sure after listening to this episode, you'll have a much deeper understanding and a better direction to go to uh when it comes to making the decision. 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:26.480 Is there any other takeaways, Ben, that you want to leave the listeners with before we uh shut this thing down? 00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:40.239 Uh I would, I mean, I'm just gonna kind of you know spin back on what you said, but I think that the two things you should ask yourself that I I mean, I really had to think about this, but the two things you should always ask yourself is number one, what's my goal? 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:41.199 And then what do I need? 00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:41.519 Yes. 00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:45.039 And in terms of like what your goal is, is like, okay, do you want to learn the basics? 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.239 Do you want to understand body mechanics and how everything moves, get a personal trainer? 00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:54.960 And or it's like, hey, I need motivation, I need to be able to get better, I need to be able to keep myself accountable, go to group fitness. 00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:59.599 And then I think that when you also need to ask yourself, is what do you need? 00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:14.880 Is that if you're like, I need explanations, I need answers, I need time, then personal training is the way to go because that'll you get the time, you get the the very hyper specific, if you get the right trainer, a very hyper-specific thing that is for you. 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.440 Um, and those things just vary from person to person. 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:24.800 Like again, you may you could go your entire life and go in group fitness, and you could be in literally the best shape of your life. 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:26.639 And I think that that's a better fit for you. 01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:26.960 Yeah. 01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:32.400 And there are some people where it's like, maybe you shouldn't go into group fitness because it's like personal training is just your thing. 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.159 You get easily distracted, you talk a lot. 01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:34.800 We see that a lot. 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:35.519 8 30. 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:36.400 I'm talking to you. 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.320 Um, but like with those people of like you just need to find your specifics. 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:41.760 Just ask yourself, what is your goal? 01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:42.800 What do I need? 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:48.159 And that'll be able to be able to give you the answer that you're looking for. 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:49.599 I'd say incredible advice. 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:50.159 I love it. 01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.039 Okay, that's it here for the Between Sets podcast. 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:58.719 We're here to help you build stronger bodies, healthier minds, and more fulfilling lives. 01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:03.360 Uh, if you haven't already, please subscribe on whatever platform you're listening to on and leave us a comment. 01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:05.440 Let us know what you got from this episode. 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:09.519 Please share this with someone that you think could benefit from what we talked about today. 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:11.119 And uh new topics too. 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:12.559 New topics too would be great. 01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:13.920 We'll catch you on the next episode. 01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:14.960 Peace.