ABOUT THIS PODCAST 🔗
ZeroSum is a new cybersecurity podcast that aims to talk honestly about the state of the cybersecurity industry. The show rejects standard "threat of the week" news breakdowns and instead focuses on the reality of the market. Viewing the industry through the lens of game theory, the podcast explores how the current cyber market is no longer a rising tide that lifts all boats; for massive VC gambles to win, the burnt-out practitioners on the ground are often the ones losing. The show features guests from all perspectives, including vendors, investors, workers, and CISOs.
Hosts:
Update frequency:
weekly
Average audio length:
59 minutes
Guest interviews
English
United States
23 episodes
since July 7, 2026
episodic
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LATEST EPISODE 🔗
"It's much better at writing code than I am." YSecurity co-founder Jon McLachlan spent his whole career as an engineer, and he isn't afraid of that sentence. He's excited by it.
Jon joins Aaron to talk about building and securing companies when the rate of change keeps speeding up. They get into wh…
PREVIOUS EPISODES 🔗
An attacker phished a government employee, took over the mailbox, and then did nothing for 40 days. SpyCloud Chief Investigations Officer Jason Lancaster on how that quiet turned out to be the attack: hundreds of victims, filtered down to the ones with access to money.
Jason joins Aaron to talk abo…
“You can’t vibe code a customer.” Ron Gula started as an NSA pentester, co-founded Tenable and grew it into the company behind Nessus. Today he invests in cybersecurity and AI startups through Gula Tech Adventures. He has a front-row seat to the AI gold rush in security, and he’s not buying all of …
Some CISOs "can't handle the fire that's coming." Advisory CISO Gina Yacone on why the leaders who came up guarding the firewall are running out of road, and what the job looks like now.
Gina joins Aaron to trace how security leadership changed: from castle-and-moat network defense, to cloud and id…
Jackson Reed built the red team at the US Army Corps of Engineers and took it through certification, then spent four years rebuilding and leading Target's. He isn't worried about swarms of agents overwhelming your SOC — defenders are good at bursty and anomalous. What concerns him is the operator w…
Jackson Reed spent four years running the red team at the US Army Corps of Engineers and four more rebuilding Target's. He is not worried about swarms of agents overwhelming your SOC. He's worried about the attacker who has ten thousand actions a day of compute budget and spends ten of them, on eac…
Everyone's quitting a lab to warn us about the end of the world. Greg Ose, who has spent his career building product security programs from the inside and now does it at GitHub, isn't buying the hysteria — and his reason is boring in the best way.
We built this. We can explain, step by step, how ev…
Tim MalcomVetter says every major EDR runs a two-to-ten-minute ingestion delay, and that it hands attackers a head start no AI SOC can close. The fix, he argues, isn't more AI.
Tim ran a red team at Walmart, co-founded Wirespeed, and now runs incident response at Coalition, the cyber insurer that…
Is AI closing the cybersecurity gap between big cities and small towns — or leaving under-resourced communities even further behind?
In this episode of ZeroSum, Aaron sits down with Randy Rose, Vice President of Security Operations & Intelligence at the Center for Internet Security (CIS), to ex…
Is artificial intelligence actually creating a new breed of super-hackers, or is the industry just selling panic?
In this episode of the Zero Sum Podcast, Aaron sits down with Silas Cutler, one of the top security researchers in the industry and a Principal Reverse Engineer at Censys. Silas strips…
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