Rising from nothing: Frank “Dr Mags” Magwegwe on resilience and leadership

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Frank: I became
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broke, unemployed,
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homeless from
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January, 1993.
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How did I
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navigate that?
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There's a time
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in our lives when
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we need help the
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most, but that help
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is not available.
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The only help
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available is
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reframing how
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you think about
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the obstacle that
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you're facing.
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You must figure out
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how to get yourself
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out of this.
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I took
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accountability
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of my situation.
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Saray Khumalo:
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My name is
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Saray Kumalo, a
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businesswoman,
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a mother, and
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an award-winning
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mountaineer.
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I know what it feels
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like when the ground
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shakes beneath you.
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Three times,
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Mount Everest
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sent me back down
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through avalanche,
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earthquake
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and injury.
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Three times the
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world told me to
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quit, I kept going,
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and on the fourth
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attempt I stood
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on the summit.
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Most would call the
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earlier attempts
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failure, but I
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learned something
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different.
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The shift is not
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the disruption.
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The shift is
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the lesson.
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It's not the
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fall that defines
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you, but the rise
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because true failure
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only happens when
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you stop taking
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the next step.
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In When Shift
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Happens we explore
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the moments that
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break us and how
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they build us.
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Take a breath.
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The air is thin
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up here and the
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views are worth it.
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Welcome to the
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summit journey.
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Let's go higher.
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Welcome to When
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Shift Happens.
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I know what it
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means to face the
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impossible, to have
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mountains send you
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back time after time
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and still choose to
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take the next step,
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but my next guest,
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Frank Magwegwe,
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knows what it feels
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like when the ground
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beneath you gives
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way, not just on
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a mountain, but
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literally in life.
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His shift happened
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when he was forced
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onto the streets,
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facing the ultimate
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battle of survival
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at a moment when
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most of us would've
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surrendered and said
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it was a failure.
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Frank made a
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radical choice to
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rebuild his entire
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world using only
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the foundation of
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faith, education,
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and relentless hope.
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His journey from
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experiencing
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homelessness to
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becoming a respected
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executive educator
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and a leading
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voice in financial
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wellness proves
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something profound.
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Resilience is not
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a gift, it is
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a discipline
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forged in the
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fire of survival.
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We are climbing
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into the mind
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of a survivor to
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uncover the exact
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daily mental steps
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that transform
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survivor mode into
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sustainable success.
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If Frank can rebuild
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his entire world
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from rock bottom,
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what excuses do
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you and I have.
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Frank, welcome to
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the true ascent,
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When Shift Happens.
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Frank: Ah, thank
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you, what a
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beautiful intro and
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I really love how
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you have described
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resilience because
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often people think
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of resilience as a
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trait, as something
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I'm born with and
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I love how you
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positioned it as
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a, as a skill,
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as something
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we can develop.
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I look forward to
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to going deeper into
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that conversation.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Oh, fantastic.
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So Frank, who is
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Frank, apart from
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all these, you
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know, exciting
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stuff that we've
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just talked about.
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Who is Frank?
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Frank: Yeah, so
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when I think about
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myself and kind of
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the journey that
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I've walked, I
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almost summarize
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it in three ways.
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So I think there's
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the non part now
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where I teach at
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Gibbs, resilience,
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wellbeing, and
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corporate finance.
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That's one aspect.
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Then there's the
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other Frank who
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was in corporate
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for many, many
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years, and then
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the one that
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you speak about.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: That
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connects the two.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: I think for
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me, that's the Frank
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that I want you
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to get to know the
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young man who faced
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so many obstacles.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: And kind
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of really to,
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to be brutal,
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honest around the
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challenges that
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I was facing.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: And
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navigating them, as
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you said, through
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education, through
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help from others
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and the reason why
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that Frank, that
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young 20-year-old
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is important
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for me in this
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conversation because
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that's really has
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shaped who I am.
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My journey in
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corporate really
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spoke to, this
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is why I started
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Saray Khumalo: Yes.
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Frank: and I
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learned a lot during
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that period, and
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venturing into
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academia was also
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just a belief
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that at 43 I said,
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you know what?
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Why don't I start
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to journey to get
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a PhD and persevere
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and five years later
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then had my PhD and
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got an opportunity
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to teach at Gibbs.
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So it all
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starts with that
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20-year-old again
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Saray Khumalo:
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Amazing.
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That reminds
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me, I need to
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respectfully say
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Dr. Frank Magwegwe.
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Anyway, every
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shift starts with
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a breaking point.
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Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Take us back to
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that moment when
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life forced you
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onto the streets.
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Frank: Yeah.
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Saray Khumalo: When
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survival became the
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only focus, what was
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the hardest part of
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losing everything
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and what was the
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first mental step
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that helped you
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begin the rebuild.
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Frank: Ah,
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my goodness.
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You are really
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taking me back.
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I love reflecting
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on my, on my journey
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and you know,
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kind of grabbing
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lessons from there.
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So I think to anchor
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the period, so think
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of Johannesburg.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: 1992 and I
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arrived in this big
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city for the first
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time in November.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: And like most
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young people, it
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was about, I'm going
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to find, I didn't
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use that language,
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but almost think
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of finding my fame
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and fortune, right?
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: Because you
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grow up with just
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this idea that
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they are people
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who go to the city.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: And sometimes
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you miss them for
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a while as your
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relatives, and
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then boom, they
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come, they're
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dressed well,
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they have a car.
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Which means
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something happens
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in the city.
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Saray Khumalo: Yeah.
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Frank: That was kind
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of the vision that I
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had, so I arrived in
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Joburg and the idea
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was I had completed
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Matric in 1991 and
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never managed go
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to university so I
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was going to see if
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I can find a job,
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and by then I had
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already struggled
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somewhat with youth
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unemployment because
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I had finished
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Matric end of '91,
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right, and this is
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only November 92.
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In between, it
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was really kind of
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struggling and the
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first challenge for
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me was convincing
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my Aunt Christine
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Njeka, that please
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look after me in
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Joburg I know I
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came unannounced.
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I think I'll
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be able to find
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a job, right?
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: And she
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emphasized you need
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to get a job almost
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with that emphasis
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of it's a little bit
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hard here in Joburg,
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something that I
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found surprising
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and so the biggest
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challenge first
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was waking up
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every single day in
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downtown Joburg and
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walking from Joburg
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CBD to Booysens,
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to GP, to Crown
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Mines, to Eastgate,
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to Base Valley, and
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in between asking
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at a garage, at a
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Spar, at a bank,
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do you have work?
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I'm looking
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for work.
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I'm looking
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for work.
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So for me, that
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challenge as a
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young 20-year-old
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of unemployment it
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really shaped who I
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am and so to answer
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your question,
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that's when my first
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shift happened.
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The shift from,
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okay, I've come from
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the Eastern Cape, I
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am arriving Joburg,
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and boom, it is hard
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to find work and
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you have the tag of
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you're unemployed.
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Saray Khumalo:
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You've taken me
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back to all those
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placards that,
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uh, sometimes
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when you have a
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job, you, you,
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you think they're
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insignificant.
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Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo: But
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they are to say no
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work here because
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they don't want
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to be disturbed.
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Frank: Yeah.
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Saray Khumalo: For
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someone that doesn't
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have work, that
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has a completely
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different meaning,
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to somebody who's
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just walking around,
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coming from work
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and going home.
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Frank: And you know
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what that triggers
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for me, Saray, and
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it's so interesting
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to listen to you and
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the deep perspective
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you have.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: That in my
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experience very
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few people connect
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that sign, so let
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me take you to the
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second shift, right?
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: Because
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you're asking
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what was happening
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in my mind.
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Saray Khumalo: Yeah.
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Frank: So I'm
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unemployed.
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I go from factory
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to factory, from one
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garage to the other,
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and I'm just hearing
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rejection, right?
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Saray Khumalo: Yeah.
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Frank: No, there's
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nothing, there's
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no opportunity,
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no come after next
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week or whatever,
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but there was
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nothing now, right?
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: And you lay
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such a good point
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because it took me
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a while to figure
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out why does that
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no work sign.
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Why is it a
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trigger for me?
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So as I was sharing
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my story about 15
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years ago, when I
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started sharing a
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little bit of my
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journey, I went
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to look for places
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with that sign so,
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you know, you go to
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a factory, go to a
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construction site,
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and I saw to take,
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to take the picture
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of that red circle,
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"No Work" with that
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white background,
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Saray Khumalo: Yes
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Frank: it was such a
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trigger for me, Why?
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Because there's a
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shift that happened
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in me as I was
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job seeking, and
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I would get to the
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factory and get
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is closed or just
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have this sign or a
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construction site.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
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Frank: And the
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shift was this.
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Here am I young,
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eager, willing, able
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to work, but society
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is telling me they
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have nothing for me,
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and whose society?
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Is the employer who
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has put this sign
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to say don't even
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bother coming in.
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Saray Khumalo: Yeah.
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Frank: We don't
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want to talk to
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you, we don't have
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the, it's not like
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they're not caring.
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They're busy doing
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their stuff and the
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shift that happened
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for me, Saray, at
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that time was this,
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there's a time
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in our lives when
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we need help the
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most, but that help
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is not available.
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The only help
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available is
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reframing how
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you think about
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the obstacle that
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you're facing.
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So for me, it was
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okay they don't
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want to talk
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me, it's fine.
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This one doesn't
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want to me to go
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in, I hope the next
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factory, they don't
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have this sign, the
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next company, they
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don't have the, I
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must just look for
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those willing to
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listen to my story.
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That was the second
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shift dealing
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with unemployment.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Amazing.
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That, that's, uh,
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interesting for a
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20-year-old, eh,
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Frank: absolutely.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Interesting.
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But the, the, the
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power of reflecting
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Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo:
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So, many South
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Africans feel like
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they are constantly
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starting over.
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Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Financially,
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emotionally,
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even spiritually
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Frank: Yeah.
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Saray Khumalo: if we
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were to be honest.
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Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo:
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What were the first
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three principles?
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Frank: Yeah.
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Saray Khumalo:
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you lived by
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when you began
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rebuilding your
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life from nothing.
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Frank: Oh
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that's such a
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deep question.
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So if I, when I
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look back, so I've
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talked about kind of
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these shifts, maybe
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let's mention the
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third shift, then
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I'll pull it all
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together, right?
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Saray Khumalo: Yeah.
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Frank: So I
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arrive my Aunt I'm
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looking for work.
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Six weeks into
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trying to find work,
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my aunt, essentially
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with the family it
00:11:00.420 --> 00:11:01.199
was hard for them,
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things were also
00:11:01.800 --> 00:11:02.250
tough for them.
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They could not
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look after me.
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Saray Khumalo: Yes.
00:11:04.020 --> 00:11:04.829
Frank: So the next
00:11:04.829 --> 00:11:06.060
shift after so much
00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:07.319
for this Matric,
00:11:07.620 --> 00:11:08.579
come to a big city,
00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:09.930
unemployed, you're
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trying to find
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work, stay briefly
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with a relative.
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Then the next shift
00:11:14.250 --> 00:11:14.970
that will help
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answer your question
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was actually can't
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look after you here.
00:11:18.615 --> 00:11:19.995
And so I became
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broke, unemployed,
00:11:22.425 --> 00:11:22.965
homeless
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from January,
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1993, right.
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Now we're getting
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to, how did I
00:11:28.545 --> 00:11:29.445
navigate that?
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
00:11:29.835 --> 00:11:30.435
Frank: Because I'm
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not the only one who
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has had this shift
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of circumstances.
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As you say, kind
00:11:35.565 --> 00:11:36.285
of the ground
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has shifted.
00:11:37.095 --> 00:11:37.905
You face this
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big obstacle.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
00:11:39.435 --> 00:11:39.675
Frank: It's so
00:11:39.675 --> 00:11:40.455
interesting, Saray,
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when I go back
00:11:41.445 --> 00:11:42.255
one, you're asking
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for three things.
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The first one,
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and I don't, well,
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for now I'm gonna
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say I don't know.
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Right.
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How, but later
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I'll give you an
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answer that helps.
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So I dunno, how
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come I thought
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about it this way?
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So the first
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thing was this.
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I said to myself,
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you got yourself
00:12:00.350 --> 00:12:03.170
in this, you left
00:12:04.010 --> 00:12:04.574
Port Elizabeth.
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Then right to
00:12:06.900 --> 00:12:07.710
catch a topic.
00:12:08.040 --> 00:12:08.310
Mm-hmm.
00:12:08.460 --> 00:12:09.300
You caught yourself
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in this, in other
00:12:09.810 --> 00:12:10.380
words, you came,
00:12:10.590 --> 00:12:11.070
you now find
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yourself homeless.
00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:12.390
Mm-hmm.
00:12:12.570 --> 00:12:14.040
You must figure
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out how to get
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yourself out of
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this, and I know
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it almost sounds
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like I really, when
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you're facing that
00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:21.150
obstacle, for me
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it was always a
00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:22.800
natural place to
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go to say, I must
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figure out how.
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So the first
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thing I want to
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offer is this.
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I took
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accountability.
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Of my situation.
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This is me, I'm
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in job bank.
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It's tough.
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I didn't take
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that away.
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Mm-hmm.
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So almost like
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Saray, I was
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brutally honest
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about my situation.
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What happened?
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Well, you tried
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to come to job
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bank to find work.
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You're not
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finding work.
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You're now homeless
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who caused this.
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We practice
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you because you
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decided to come.
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So figure out
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how you're gonna
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navigate it.
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So kind of that
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honest with the
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situation in taking
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accountability
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for me was the
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first big step.
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Saray Khumalo: Wow.
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Amazing.
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It, it's actually.
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The most important,
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many times we shift
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the responsibility
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to other people.
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Right.
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Blame.
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You could easily
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say it's your aunt.
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Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo: But
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she had her own
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shift going on.
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Frank: Absolutely.
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Things
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were tough for her.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Absolutely.
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Frank: And so when
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that happened,
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and in my own
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reflections mm-hmm.
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Because I've
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thought about it
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and I've told this
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story, I've told
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my kids this story.
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Once I had taken
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ownership, Saray.
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Mm-hmm.
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Something happened
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inside this
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20-year-old.
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Mm-hmm.
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It was no longer
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this huge monster
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that, oh, I'm
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homeless, I'm broke,
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I don't have money.
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What am I
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going to do?
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It allowed me the
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next step to be
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resourceful once
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I taken ownership,
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and I'm gonna
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tell you how.
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So firstly, okay,
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I'm there on 60
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Plain Street.
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I don't know
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people in Joburg.
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I only arrived
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six weeks ago.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I said to
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myself, but
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wait a minute.
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I've passed around
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Park Station.
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I don't think
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anyone can chase you
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away from a train
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station, so why
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don't I go there?
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At least I spent
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the evening there.
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Legally did I know
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that I was gonna
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be my home for
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seven months from
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January 93, wow.
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To July 93.
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But I want to
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illustrate how,
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being honest about
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what's going on,
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what's my obstacle,
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what is the shift
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that has happened?
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Or the shift
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is you're now
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homeless, you broke,
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unemployed, you know
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anyone in right.
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What I going
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to do about it?
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Well, I
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contributed to it.
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I should figure out
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a way of getting
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that actually gave
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me power to be
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creative around it.
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And then I, this
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idea is my next step
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say, okay, you know,
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in the evenings I'll
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have to go to park
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session during the
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day I must continue
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trying to find work.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Amazing.
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When you take
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accountability as
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I listen to you
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and, and become
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resourceful.
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Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo:
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You're stop
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being a victim.
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Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo:
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You're owning
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your next steps.
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Frank: And so that's
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why the first step
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was taking that
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accountability.
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And did you see
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the resourcefulness
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coming?
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Saray Khumalo:
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Exactly.
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Frank: Let me, third
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thing, and this
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is a little bit.
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After some time.
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Mm-hmm.
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Of trying to
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figure out how
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do you survive
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at this train
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station, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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So I've taken
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accountability.
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I'm thinking
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about it.
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I brought
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myself in here.
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How am I going
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to get into
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driving that
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resourcefulness?
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One of the most
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important lessons
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that has stuck with
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me and people who
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haven't been in this
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specific instance
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of homelessness,
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who see homeless
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people from far,
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they do not realize.
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The third thing that
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I'm gonna share with
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you, and it is this.
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There is so much
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camaraderie.
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Saray Khumalo: Oh.
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Frank: Among
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homeless people.
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Saray Khumalo: Hmm.
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Frank: Why?
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Because this group
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of people are
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united by one thing.
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Something
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profound happened.
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Yeah.
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In their life,
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and so did in
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my own life.
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So there is this
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common goal.
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To try to overcome
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homelessness.
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And so I found
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willing ears to
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say, guys, I just
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got here and so
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long time ago I was
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in high school and
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I'm, I'm just trying
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to find a job.
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How do I survive
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on the streets?
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And when I talk
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camera there,
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let me give you
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two example.
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For example, the
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guy say, oh, okay,
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firstly they laugh.
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It's gonna be long.
00:16:10.515 --> 00:16:10.960
What do you mean?
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I'm gonna be out
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of here by much.
00:16:13.170 --> 00:16:13.740
They say, whoa,
00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:14.190
whoa, whoa,
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whoa, whoa.
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It's better if you
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don't have a hard
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deadline, right?
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Just say you'll
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overcome it because
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you're setting
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yourself for
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disappointment.
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Just think about
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that these another
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human being.
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Mm-hmm.
00:16:25.020 --> 00:16:26.130
Already sharing
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how tough it is
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been for them.
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Homeless.
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If it's not saying,
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you're not gonna
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overcome it,
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they just say, be
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every reasonable
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expectations one,
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two, I say mafu,
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how do you survive?
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And they say, well,
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okay, it's a little
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bit hard, but you
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know, everywhere
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you walk during
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the day, look for
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bottles to recycle.
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In other words,
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those days you
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could go with an
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empty bottle of,
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of, of bi, an empty
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bottle of Coca-Cola.
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You take it to
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a supermarket
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or bottle.
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So you'd get 10
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re 20 re or a
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wine of recycling.
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Then you'd
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remember to get
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something to eat.
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And then the other
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thing was around
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this idea of you
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can find leftovers
00:16:57.450 --> 00:16:58.080
in a restaurant.
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And so what
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I'm saying is
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it's so often.
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That wind shift
00:17:03.064 --> 00:17:03.604
happens, and
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that's my third
00:17:04.145 --> 00:17:04.565
point, Saray.
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I want to
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emphasize this.
00:17:05.855 --> 00:17:08.014
We think we must
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solve the obstacle
00:17:09.484 --> 00:17:10.145
ourself, the
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adversity here.
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I'm saying
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yes, I had that
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accountability to
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do, but I found
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a lot of support
00:17:16.625 --> 00:17:18.694
and joy from other
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homeless people
00:17:20.284 --> 00:17:22.565
guiding, sharing the
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thinking, comforting
00:17:24.589 --> 00:17:25.319
when it's tough.
00:17:25.829 --> 00:17:27.869
So we must not
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forget the role of
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others in helping
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us face obstacles.
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Saray Khumalo:
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You know, in
00:17:32.490 --> 00:17:33.300
mountaineering
00:17:33.300 --> 00:17:33.990
I always say
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nobody gets to
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the top alone.
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Frank: There you go.
00:17:36.689 --> 00:17:37.199
It's exactly
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the same place.
00:17:37.620 --> 00:17:37.620
Saray Khumalo:
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Everybody needs
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a partner and,
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uh, they've
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lent the ropes.
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Frank: Yeah.
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Saray Khumalo:
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And they were
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sharing that.
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Frank: That's
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amazing.
00:17:43.889 --> 00:17:43.889
Saray Khumalo:
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Amazing.
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Thank you for
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sharing that.
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So the, the next
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question really
00:17:47.459 --> 00:17:48.990
is, you often speak
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about education Yes.
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As a turning point
00:17:51.449 --> 00:17:52.290
in your story
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Frank: without
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a doubt.
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Saray Khumalo: Yeah.
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What role did
00:17:55.560 --> 00:17:56.970
learning formally
00:17:56.970 --> 00:17:57.929
or informally
00:17:58.230 --> 00:17:58.860
play in your
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transformation and
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how can education
00:18:01.590 --> 00:18:02.814
still be a catalyst
00:18:03.179 --> 00:18:04.320
for ordinary South
00:18:04.320 --> 00:18:05.459
Africans facing
00:18:05.459 --> 00:18:06.449
extraordinary
00:18:06.449 --> 00:18:07.439
struggles today?
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Frank: Yeah, yeah.
00:18:08.250 --> 00:18:08.639
Wow.
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That is such a
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brilliant question.
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I'm gonna start.
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Answering this way.
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A lot of people,
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when you mention
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education mm-hmm.
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They've got
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stereotypes.
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They think
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classroom.
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Yes.
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At university, at
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a technical, at any
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higher institution,
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or of course, even
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primary school,
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high school.
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Right.
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I wanna break
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education into
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two parts, linking
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into my story.
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The first part.
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The informal
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education that laid
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the foundation for
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the formal education
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advances, right?
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Was the education
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to survive 28
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weeks homeless in
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downtown Joburg.
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It's not in a
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textbook, it's
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not theory.
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It's about I'm
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angry today,
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I'm frustrated.
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There's this
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stereotype around
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homeless people,
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uneducated, for
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example, petty ths.
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But anger is not
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gonna get me off
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these streets.
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Hmm.
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Do you see that?
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Educate of
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self-awareness.
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I'm angry, I'm
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frustrated, but
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this is not gonna
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solve the problem.
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I need other
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human beings.
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Right?
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Mm-hmm.
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Or I'm hungry.
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I know how to
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take away the
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pains of hunger.
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I'm a such
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small glue.
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Then I say, what?
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This is not
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gonna take me
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off the streets.
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Other homeless
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people might
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be smoking glue
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to barrel the
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hunger pains.
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I am not going
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to do it because
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if I get addicted
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to this thing,
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I'm in trouble.
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There is education,
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asking for help
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walking into the
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Methodist Church
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on small Street
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and saying, is
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there anything
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I can do here?
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I. Unemployed.
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I am broke.
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I sleep at
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the station.
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And so learning
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to ask for help.
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Education,
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learning to be
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vulnerable, right?
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Learning to be self
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away, learning to
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manage emotions,
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and ultimately
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being resourceful
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and surviving on
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the streets of
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job for that long.
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That's education.
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And often the
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mistake we make, we
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do not reflect on
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informal education.
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What am I learning
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about myself?
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Because every
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time we can
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learn something
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about ourselves.
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Mm-hmm.
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Right?
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What's going well?
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I should do
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more of it.
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What's not
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going well?
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I should do
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less of it.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Am I vulnerable
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enough when things
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are tough for me?
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How do I deal
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with my emotions?
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Do I bottle them
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or I have ways
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to express them?
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Right.
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So informal
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education for
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me is essential.
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Then let's move to
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the formal, because
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I know people are
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going to say, ah,
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but you cannot
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going to get a job.
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Know when you come
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for an interview
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and you say, I
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have chance of
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informal education,
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you need a piece
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of paper, right?
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That piece of paper,
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absolutely critical.
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What is it
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done for me?
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I would not be here
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if I had then been
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to vet. The reason
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I would not have
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been to vets if
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I hadn't had good
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grades in Matric.
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Yeah.
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So for me, education
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has opened the door
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in that having been
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broke, homeless and
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unemployed, but with
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a piece of paper
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that says Good high
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school, good Matric.
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That piece of
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paper, what it
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did, it opened the
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door in this way.
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The other shift
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in my life.
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So I was homeless.
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Then overcame
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homelessness through
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selling fruit
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and vegetables in
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downtown Joburg.
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Then eventually
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towards the end
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of 93, I met a
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lady who said to
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me, but you sell
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fruit and veggies.
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What do you
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aspire to?
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What?
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What's your
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end goal?
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And almost like as
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a young person who
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just dreams big, I
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just said, well, I
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really wanna get a
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job like at a bank.
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'cause for me, my
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extended family.
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No formal
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employment.
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So driving a
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taxi, sort of
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informal work.
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So a bank was kind
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of, would be a
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good job for me in
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in professional.
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Right.
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So I mentioned
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that, and this
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is, but what's
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this Matric that
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you speak about?
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What is it like?
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So you must be
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at university,
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so here's a
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shift of how.
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Education of
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having Matric in
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this instance.
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An okay Matric
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leads to someone
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say, but then why
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don't you go to that
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and see what you
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can study there.
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No, I don't
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have the money.
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And a shift happens.
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But you don't
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always need money.
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Please go
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to Bram ine.
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There's the South
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African Institute
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of Rest Relations.
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Ask them if
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you can qualify
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to get a visa.
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I do that.
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Apply to vets,
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apply for a bursary.
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Both come together.
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February 94, the
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shift happens.
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I'm now first year
00:22:37.245 --> 00:22:38.775
student at Vets, so
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education without a
00:22:40.365 --> 00:22:42.135
doubt, it's critical
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in that you go to
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university because
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you've got good
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grades, you've got
00:22:45.765 --> 00:22:46.905
good Matric, it
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opens that door.
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University, we know
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unemployment hits.
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People without
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Matric the most.
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Mm-hmm.
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So education is key.
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The most people
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unemployed to an
00:22:57.120 --> 00:22:57.720
unemployed don
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Earth Matric.
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Then we move to the
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people with Matric.
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Then the people with
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lowest unemployment
00:23:03.210 --> 00:23:03.720
rate, even
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though there are
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millions of them,
00:23:04.775 --> 00:23:05.445
it's graduates.
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Right.
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They have a piece
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of paper that
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can transform
00:23:10.320 --> 00:23:10.679
their life.
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So for me,
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education has
00:23:12.540 --> 00:23:13.139
played that role.
00:23:13.139 --> 00:23:13.830
And I like to
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combine the formal
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education with the
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informal constant
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learning about self.
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And it was the
00:23:19.830 --> 00:23:20.699
bridge without
00:23:20.699 --> 00:23:21.149
a doubt of
00:23:21.149 --> 00:23:21.659
them finishing
00:23:21.659 --> 00:23:22.290
advances with
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owners in finance
00:23:23.459 --> 00:23:24.270
and joining the
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financial services
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in South Africa.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Amazing.
00:23:26.850 --> 00:23:27.449
Amazing.
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That's, it's a
00:23:28.199 --> 00:23:29.280
humbling journey
00:23:29.639 --> 00:23:30.659
as you speak.
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I know education is
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quite key and the
00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:34.709
anchor something
00:23:34.709 --> 00:23:36.000
else that you have.
00:23:36.435 --> 00:23:37.425
Touched on that's
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important is you
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talked to people.
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Frank: Yes.
00:23:40.665 --> 00:23:40.665
Saray Khumalo:
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You reached out,
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you engaged, you
00:23:42.615 --> 00:23:43.665
told them you have
00:23:43.665 --> 00:23:44.445
this, and they
00:23:44.445 --> 00:23:45.525
gave you options.
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Correct.
00:23:45.885 --> 00:23:46.635
Without that,
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you wouldn't
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have connected
00:23:47.625 --> 00:23:48.255
on your own.
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So I think sometimes
00:23:49.515 --> 00:23:50.055
when we are in
00:23:50.055 --> 00:23:50.835
trouble, we think
00:23:50.835 --> 00:23:51.495
we are alone.
00:23:51.525 --> 00:23:52.665
No one is listening.
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Frank: And my point
00:23:54.105 --> 00:23:54.930
earlier on when
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I was saying, do
00:23:56.145 --> 00:23:57.315
you realize the
00:23:57.315 --> 00:23:57.945
camaraderie that.
00:23:58.400 --> 00:23:59.870
Kept me sane, the
00:23:59.870 --> 00:24:01.010
sharing of food
00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:01.790
that it's gonna
00:24:01.790 --> 00:24:02.810
be okay with other
00:24:02.810 --> 00:24:03.680
homeless people.
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Right.
00:24:04.370 --> 00:24:06.290
And so in their
00:24:06.290 --> 00:24:07.370
own indirect way,
00:24:07.370 --> 00:24:08.360
they contributed.
00:24:08.450 --> 00:24:10.550
And so for any
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:12.050
South African who
00:24:12.230 --> 00:24:13.400
is experiencing any
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:14.510
shift of some sort
00:24:14.510 --> 00:24:15.500
in their online,
00:24:16.040 --> 00:24:17.660
my own experience
00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:18.500
and research that
00:24:18.500 --> 00:24:19.550
I do at Gibbon
00:24:19.550 --> 00:24:20.330
Resilience mm-hmm.
00:24:20.570 --> 00:24:21.800
Has shown me that
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.020
one of the, I
00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:24.620
almost think of
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it, Saray, as the.
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Engine of
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resilience.
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In other words,
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the engine for
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the skill to
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overcome obstacles.
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Saray Khumalo:
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Mm-hmm.
00:24:31.215 --> 00:24:31.395
Frank: It's
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reaching out to
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other, we call it
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social support.
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Just no man
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is an island.
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Saray Khumalo: No.
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Frank: Be vulnerable
00:24:37.875 --> 00:24:38.985
enough to tell
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someone what you're
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going through.
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You know,
00:24:40.875 --> 00:24:41.565
it's so tough.
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I've been looking
00:24:42.135 --> 00:24:42.585
forward for
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seven months.
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I'm about to
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give up, and that
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person might just
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connect you, so you
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actually need to be.
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Connected, and
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often they call
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it social capital.
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Having a social
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network that
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can lead you to
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opportunities or
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someone connected
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to someone who gets
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you an interview,
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someone connected
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to someone who gets
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you interview skills
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or things like that.
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So definitely
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working with others
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is a skill we need.
00:25:03.899 --> 00:25:03.929
Mm-hmm.
00:25:04.010 --> 00:25:05.604
To overcome
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adversity.
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Saray Khumalo: Um,
00:25:06.635 --> 00:25:07.535
you know, survival
00:25:07.535 --> 00:25:08.495
mode sharpens
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your instinct.
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Frank: Yeah.
00:25:09.725 --> 00:25:09.725
Saray Khumalo:
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When I listened
00:25:10.565 --> 00:25:10.955
to you Yeah.
00:25:10.955 --> 00:25:11.225
Became
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resourceful, right?
00:25:12.035 --> 00:25:12.215
Frank: Yes.
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Saray Khumalo:
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But it can also
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trap you in fear.
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Frank: Yes.
00:25:16.595 --> 00:25:16.595
Saray Khumalo:
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You know, how
00:25:18.005 --> 00:25:19.655
has that journey
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Frank: Yeah.
00:25:19.955 --> 00:25:19.955
Saray Khumalo:
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Changed the
00:25:20.555 --> 00:25:21.545
way you lead
00:25:21.695 --> 00:25:21.815
Frank: Yeah.
00:25:21.845 --> 00:25:21.845
Saray Khumalo:
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Connect and
00:25:23.015 --> 00:25:24.425
measure success.
00:25:24.425 --> 00:25:24.435
Yeah.
00:25:24.875 --> 00:25:25.865
Especially in
00:25:25.865 --> 00:25:26.795
a country still
00:25:26.795 --> 00:25:27.575
struggling with
00:25:27.575 --> 00:25:28.385
inequality.
00:25:28.385 --> 00:25:28.445
Yeah.
00:25:28.715 --> 00:25:29.285
As well as
00:25:29.285 --> 00:25:30.215
unemployment.
00:25:30.785 --> 00:25:31.025
Frank: Wow.
00:25:31.025 --> 00:25:31.475
That's such a
00:25:31.475 --> 00:25:32.225
brilliant question
00:25:32.225 --> 00:25:32.555
because what
00:25:32.555 --> 00:25:33.245
you're linking
00:25:33.245 --> 00:25:34.175
to Saray is this.
00:25:34.995 --> 00:25:37.784
Our leading formal
00:25:37.784 --> 00:25:38.804
roles in corporate,
00:25:38.804 --> 00:25:39.705
let's say, or in
00:25:39.705 --> 00:25:40.725
society in general.
00:25:41.685 --> 00:25:42.794
It is informed
00:25:42.794 --> 00:25:44.564
by the stories
00:25:44.985 --> 00:25:46.365
of our lives, the
00:25:46.365 --> 00:25:47.175
journeys that we
00:25:47.175 --> 00:25:47.865
have overcame.
00:25:48.675 --> 00:25:49.334
The, the question
00:25:49.334 --> 00:25:49.665
you asked that
00:25:49.665 --> 00:25:50.205
they be, who's
00:25:50.205 --> 00:25:51.135
Frank, right?
00:25:51.345 --> 00:25:52.274
The young person,
00:25:52.274 --> 00:25:52.995
unemployed, coming
00:25:52.995 --> 00:25:53.370
to a big city,
00:25:53.370 --> 00:25:53.970
dreaming big,
00:25:54.709 --> 00:25:56.564
and so how do
00:25:56.564 --> 00:25:57.915
I lead informed
00:25:57.919 --> 00:25:58.965
by that story?
00:25:59.205 --> 00:26:00.345
How do I
00:26:00.735 --> 00:26:01.814
define success?
00:26:02.264 --> 00:26:02.385
So.
00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:03.810
Starting with the
00:26:03.810 --> 00:26:04.620
leading part, I've
00:26:04.620 --> 00:26:05.310
been privileged
00:26:05.310 --> 00:26:06.180
to lead in many
00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:07.710
organizations in
00:26:07.710 --> 00:26:08.430
South Africa and
00:26:08.580 --> 00:26:09.480
what I now know
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:10.410
about myself through
00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:11.460
feedback from them.
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People always
00:26:12.510 --> 00:26:14.370
tell me, you lead
00:26:14.910 --> 00:26:15.840
authentically.
00:26:15.870 --> 00:26:16.620
It's you.
00:26:17.070 --> 00:26:18.629
You lead with heart.
00:26:19.230 --> 00:26:20.550
You okay to share
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:22.350
your thoughts?
00:26:22.665 --> 00:26:23.835
Your struggles.
00:26:23.895 --> 00:26:24.405
I don't know
00:26:24.405 --> 00:26:25.004
everything.
00:26:25.065 --> 00:26:25.695
How can we do
00:26:25.695 --> 00:26:26.415
it together, you
00:26:26.415 --> 00:26:27.285
know, as a team
00:26:27.285 --> 00:26:27.705
to solve the
00:26:27.705 --> 00:26:28.575
problems facing it?
00:26:28.815 --> 00:26:29.504
So kind of that
00:26:29.504 --> 00:26:30.375
humane leadership
00:26:30.375 --> 00:26:31.305
were to, to put
00:26:31.365 --> 00:26:32.175
a label to it.
00:26:32.685 --> 00:26:33.405
And I'm not
00:26:33.405 --> 00:26:34.004
surprised when
00:26:34.004 --> 00:26:34.725
people give me that
00:26:34.725 --> 00:26:36.405
feedback because
00:26:36.975 --> 00:26:39.285
having been down
00:26:40.335 --> 00:26:41.625
broke, homeless,
00:26:41.685 --> 00:26:42.014
unemployed, and
00:26:42.525 --> 00:26:43.514
building my way
00:26:43.514 --> 00:26:45.045
up, one of the
00:26:45.045 --> 00:26:45.615
things that I
00:26:45.615 --> 00:26:46.815
learned, and it's
00:26:46.815 --> 00:26:48.254
a guiding light in
00:26:48.254 --> 00:26:49.305
how I run my life,
00:26:49.305 --> 00:26:49.750
Saray, is this.
00:26:50.835 --> 00:26:53.055
Everyone matters.
00:26:54.225 --> 00:26:55.004
You matter,
00:26:55.395 --> 00:26:56.325
not because you
00:26:56.355 --> 00:26:57.795
climbed Kely and
00:26:57.795 --> 00:26:58.785
then Everest and
00:26:58.785 --> 00:26:59.535
the seven Summit.
00:27:00.465 --> 00:27:01.185
I matter,
00:27:01.305 --> 00:27:01.875
not because I
00:27:01.875 --> 00:27:02.685
teach at Gibbs.
00:27:02.715 --> 00:27:02.805
Mm-hmm.
00:27:04.274 --> 00:27:04.635
You don't
00:27:04.635 --> 00:27:05.054
matter because
00:27:05.054 --> 00:27:05.595
you're a parent.
00:27:05.655 --> 00:27:06.195
You don't matter
00:27:06.195 --> 00:27:06.584
because you're
00:27:06.675 --> 00:27:07.395
CEO of a big
00:27:07.395 --> 00:27:08.084
corporation,
00:27:08.504 --> 00:27:09.284
you matter
00:27:09.584 --> 00:27:10.064
because you're
00:27:10.064 --> 00:27:11.294
human, period.
00:27:11.745 --> 00:27:13.095
And so I learned
00:27:13.095 --> 00:27:13.574
that through
00:27:13.574 --> 00:27:14.054
the general of
00:27:14.054 --> 00:27:15.165
homelessness, that
00:27:15.405 --> 00:27:16.425
everyone matters us.
00:27:16.814 --> 00:27:17.625
Everyone is here
00:27:17.625 --> 00:27:18.074
because something
00:27:18.074 --> 00:27:19.064
profound happened
00:27:19.395 --> 00:27:20.205
and we can work
00:27:20.205 --> 00:27:21.044
to overcome
00:27:21.195 --> 00:27:22.004
challenges, right?
00:27:22.365 --> 00:27:23.804
And so I overcame
00:27:23.804 --> 00:27:24.945
homelessness and
00:27:25.004 --> 00:27:25.965
what it has created
00:27:25.965 --> 00:27:27.915
in me is this huge.
00:27:28.344 --> 00:27:29.754
Sense of every
00:27:30.354 --> 00:27:31.615
individual matters.
00:27:31.945 --> 00:27:33.264
And so my leading
00:27:33.264 --> 00:27:33.925
starts there.
00:27:34.284 --> 00:27:35.094
The receptionist
00:27:35.094 --> 00:27:35.574
matters.
00:27:35.635 --> 00:27:36.205
The security
00:27:36.205 --> 00:27:36.895
guard matters.
00:27:37.074 --> 00:27:37.675
The person in the
00:27:37.675 --> 00:27:38.635
call center matters.
00:27:38.784 --> 00:27:39.024
Why?
00:27:39.024 --> 00:27:39.235
Because
00:27:39.235 --> 00:27:39.745
they're human.
00:27:40.110 --> 00:27:40.379
Right?
00:27:40.379 --> 00:27:40.470
Yes.
00:27:40.830 --> 00:27:42.000
And I think when
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:42.929
we make people
00:27:42.929 --> 00:27:44.370
feel they matter in
00:27:44.370 --> 00:27:45.540
our leading magic
00:27:45.540 --> 00:27:46.649
happens because
00:27:46.649 --> 00:27:47.100
they feel they
00:27:47.100 --> 00:27:47.760
can contribute
00:27:47.760 --> 00:27:48.330
to society.
00:27:48.330 --> 00:27:49.169
They add value.
00:27:49.350 --> 00:27:50.370
When we say people
00:27:50.370 --> 00:27:51.060
matter, by the
00:27:51.060 --> 00:27:51.780
way, we are also
00:27:51.780 --> 00:27:52.260
interested in
00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:52.830
their stories.
00:27:53.010 --> 00:27:53.490
Saray Khumalo: Yes.
00:27:53.550 --> 00:27:54.060
Frank: Why are you
00:27:54.330 --> 00:27:55.110
where you come from?
00:27:55.139 --> 00:27:55.860
How many kids?
00:27:55.919 --> 00:27:56.260
Why are your
00:27:56.325 --> 00:27:56.524
ambitions.
00:27:57.115 --> 00:27:57.504
Right?
00:27:57.504 --> 00:27:58.254
Mm-hmm.
00:27:58.255 --> 00:27:58.615
And when we say
00:27:58.615 --> 00:27:59.365
people matter,
00:27:59.574 --> 00:28:00.355
we are able to go
00:28:00.355 --> 00:28:01.044
back to that time
00:28:01.044 --> 00:28:02.425
when we desperately
00:28:02.425 --> 00:28:02.935
wanted to be a
00:28:02.935 --> 00:28:04.254
leader, right?
00:28:04.314 --> 00:28:04.975
We say, I'm ready
00:28:04.975 --> 00:28:05.725
to be a manager.
00:28:06.084 --> 00:28:06.625
And someone says,
00:28:06.625 --> 00:28:07.254
you're not ready.
00:28:07.705 --> 00:28:08.215
I want to be
00:28:08.215 --> 00:28:08.605
a manager.
00:28:08.605 --> 00:28:08.965
Someone says,
00:28:08.965 --> 00:28:09.475
you're not ready.
00:28:09.834 --> 00:28:10.375
When someone
00:28:10.375 --> 00:28:11.274
now comes to you
00:28:11.425 --> 00:28:12.264
and they say, I
00:28:12.264 --> 00:28:12.865
think I'm ready
00:28:12.865 --> 00:28:13.615
for promotion.
00:28:13.945 --> 00:28:15.355
When you treat them
00:28:15.355 --> 00:28:16.044
as they matter,
00:28:16.254 --> 00:28:17.334
firstly, you think
00:28:17.334 --> 00:28:18.115
about that time
00:28:18.115 --> 00:28:18.534
when, what is
00:28:18.534 --> 00:28:19.865
it like to wanna
00:28:19.865 --> 00:28:21.054
be a manager and
00:28:21.054 --> 00:28:21.655
people say You're
00:28:21.655 --> 00:28:22.524
not ready, and
00:28:22.524 --> 00:28:23.334
then you'll engage
00:28:23.334 --> 00:28:24.235
very differently.
00:28:24.324 --> 00:28:24.504
Yeah.
00:28:24.504 --> 00:28:24.834
Right?
00:28:24.919 --> 00:28:25.139
So.
00:28:25.800 --> 00:28:26.790
I fundamentally
00:28:26.790 --> 00:28:27.270
believe in this
00:28:27.270 --> 00:28:27.840
idea, everyone
00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:28.290
matters.
00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:29.130
How does it
00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:30.990
show in how I
00:28:31.260 --> 00:28:32.340
define success?
00:28:32.340 --> 00:28:33.510
I thought a lot
00:28:33.510 --> 00:28:34.590
about that, and
00:28:34.620 --> 00:28:36.450
for me, in my
00:28:36.450 --> 00:28:38.730
thirties, success
00:28:38.820 --> 00:28:39.720
meant a big car.
00:28:40.020 --> 00:28:40.710
Success meant
00:28:40.710 --> 00:28:41.460
a big house.
00:28:41.850 --> 00:28:43.020
Success meant
00:28:43.530 --> 00:28:44.460
holiday, wherever
00:28:44.490 --> 00:28:44.820
I went to
00:28:44.820 --> 00:28:45.930
holiday, right?
00:28:46.230 --> 00:28:47.400
Something happened
00:28:47.610 --> 00:28:48.510
from sort of mid
00:28:48.510 --> 00:28:51.000
forties, and I think
00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:52.800
I did not realize
00:28:53.070 --> 00:28:53.760
that I'd been.
00:28:54.780 --> 00:28:56.430
In sets without
00:28:56.430 --> 00:28:57.360
using those words
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:58.140
for purpose.
00:28:58.500 --> 00:28:58.950
I've done well
00:28:58.950 --> 00:28:59.460
in corporate.
00:28:59.670 --> 00:29:00.630
What impact
00:29:00.630 --> 00:29:01.230
can I make?
00:29:01.230 --> 00:29:02.040
What more can
00:29:02.040 --> 00:29:02.940
I give society?
00:29:03.540 --> 00:29:04.260
Am I just here to
00:29:04.260 --> 00:29:05.070
drive a big car,
00:29:05.190 --> 00:29:06.240
drive a nice house
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:06.990
going holidays
00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:08.130
or there's more?
00:29:08.490 --> 00:29:09.720
So a shift happened
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:10.710
for me people when
00:29:10.710 --> 00:29:12.090
I was eating 43, 44.
00:29:12.390 --> 00:29:13.500
And I realize if
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:14.730
I believe people
00:29:14.730 --> 00:29:15.750
matter, if I wanna
00:29:15.930 --> 00:29:16.620
run my life with
00:29:16.620 --> 00:29:18.030
people matter, I
00:29:18.030 --> 00:29:18.805
want to be known.
00:29:20.325 --> 00:29:21.435
As someone who
00:29:21.435 --> 00:29:22.605
makes people feel
00:29:22.605 --> 00:29:23.685
they net one.
00:29:23.985 --> 00:29:25.275
Two, I want to be
00:29:25.275 --> 00:29:26.565
known as someone
00:29:26.565 --> 00:29:27.615
who contributes
00:29:28.005 --> 00:29:29.475
to helping others
00:29:29.475 --> 00:29:30.165
understand the
00:29:30.165 --> 00:29:30.975
importance of
00:29:31.035 --> 00:29:31.845
treating everyone
00:29:32.055 --> 00:29:33.615
is if they net the
00:29:33.615 --> 00:29:34.785
combination of those
00:29:34.845 --> 00:29:36.255
two in my financial
00:29:36.255 --> 00:29:36.825
background.
00:29:38.084 --> 00:29:39.254
Ah, it was in
00:29:39.254 --> 00:29:39.824
front of you.
00:29:39.824 --> 00:29:41.865
Were looking, use my
00:29:41.865 --> 00:29:42.915
ability to explain
00:29:43.034 --> 00:29:43.935
difficult technical
00:29:43.935 --> 00:29:45.225
concept in easy way.
00:29:45.435 --> 00:29:46.875
Use my storytelling
00:29:47.235 --> 00:29:48.044
to empower
00:29:48.105 --> 00:29:49.995
individuals, whether
00:29:49.995 --> 00:29:50.445
they're facing
00:29:50.445 --> 00:29:51.165
their diversity of
00:29:51.165 --> 00:29:52.064
financial stress
00:29:52.304 --> 00:29:53.415
or unemployment,
00:29:53.504 --> 00:29:54.584
or a retrenchment
00:29:54.584 --> 00:29:55.995
or marital strife
00:29:56.504 --> 00:29:57.524
to tell people
00:29:57.524 --> 00:29:58.935
the power of.
00:29:59.655 --> 00:30:00.375
Resilience.
00:30:00.585 --> 00:30:01.335
The power of
00:30:01.545 --> 00:30:02.625
how thinking
00:30:02.625 --> 00:30:03.615
about problems,
00:30:03.675 --> 00:30:04.725
vulnerability,
00:30:04.995 --> 00:30:06.105
reaching to others
00:30:06.315 --> 00:30:07.095
can help us.
00:30:07.095 --> 00:30:08.535
So these days I
00:30:08.535 --> 00:30:09.254
measure success.
00:30:09.435 --> 00:30:10.215
If you look at
00:30:10.215 --> 00:30:11.264
what I drive, all
00:30:11.264 --> 00:30:12.495
17-year-old car that
00:30:12.495 --> 00:30:13.155
I've been driving
00:30:13.155 --> 00:30:14.835
for 15 years, I
00:30:14.835 --> 00:30:15.585
measure success.
00:30:15.585 --> 00:30:16.365
When I have a
00:30:16.365 --> 00:30:17.295
conversation like
00:30:17.445 --> 00:30:18.075
two days ago with
00:30:18.075 --> 00:30:18.885
my daughter, I
00:30:18.885 --> 00:30:19.545
said, Nana, I'm
00:30:19.545 --> 00:30:20.475
prioritizing you.
00:30:20.655 --> 00:30:21.764
He say, why Baba?
00:30:22.004 --> 00:30:22.815
I say, because
00:30:22.815 --> 00:30:23.565
I want to be a
00:30:23.565 --> 00:30:24.225
better parent.
00:30:24.899 --> 00:30:25.530
I want to be a
00:30:25.530 --> 00:30:26.280
better sibling.
00:30:26.340 --> 00:30:26.875
I want to be a
00:30:26.875 --> 00:30:27.355
better faculty.
00:30:27.555 --> 00:30:27.995
I wanna be a
00:30:27.995 --> 00:30:28.740
better citizen.
00:30:29.040 --> 00:30:29.879
Every day I
00:30:29.879 --> 00:30:30.659
measure success
00:30:30.659 --> 00:30:31.830
with harm showing
00:30:31.889 --> 00:30:32.730
up and how people
00:30:32.730 --> 00:30:33.840
experiencing me.
00:30:33.870 --> 00:30:33.960
Mm-hmm.
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:34.800
It's no longer
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:36.690
just about finances
00:30:36.690 --> 00:30:37.980
or titles, and
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:38.520
it has been a
00:30:38.520 --> 00:30:39.300
decade journey
00:30:39.300 --> 00:30:39.930
to get there.
00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:40.649
That's how I
00:30:40.649 --> 00:30:41.399
measure success.
00:30:41.814 --> 00:30:42.054
Saray Khumalo: I'm
00:30:42.054 --> 00:30:43.314
smiling because,
00:30:43.314 --> 00:30:43.915
uh, I worked
00:30:43.915 --> 00:30:44.425
in one of the
00:30:44.425 --> 00:30:45.445
corporates with you.
00:30:45.804 --> 00:30:46.465
You are one of
00:30:46.465 --> 00:30:47.725
the few executives
00:30:47.725 --> 00:30:48.835
that would, I
00:30:48.835 --> 00:30:49.735
would find in the
00:30:49.735 --> 00:30:50.935
canteen having
00:30:50.935 --> 00:30:52.314
a deep detailed
00:30:52.314 --> 00:30:53.245
conversation with
00:30:53.245 --> 00:30:54.085
somebody that works
00:30:54.085 --> 00:30:54.745
in the canteen.
00:30:54.745 --> 00:30:55.165
I'm sitting
00:30:55.165 --> 00:30:56.800
there, not me.
00:30:58.675 --> 00:30:59.245
Exactly.
00:30:59.245 --> 00:31:00.054
So you're not
00:31:00.054 --> 00:31:00.655
just talking,
00:31:00.655 --> 00:31:01.135
you'd leave the
00:31:01.135 --> 00:31:01.495
Frank: bread.
00:31:01.495 --> 00:31:02.004
Thank you for,
00:31:02.004 --> 00:31:02.155
Saray Khumalo: so
00:31:02.155 --> 00:31:03.324
I appreciate that.
00:31:03.355 --> 00:31:03.774
Yeah.
00:31:04.284 --> 00:31:04.720
Um, so.
00:31:05.475 --> 00:31:06.195
As a thought
00:31:06.195 --> 00:31:07.155
leader in financial
00:31:07.155 --> 00:31:08.325
wellness, you know
00:31:08.325 --> 00:31:09.435
how money stresses
00:31:09.435 --> 00:31:10.725
affect the emotional
00:31:10.725 --> 00:31:11.805
and mental health.
00:31:11.835 --> 00:31:12.045
Frank: Yes.
00:31:12.075 --> 00:31:12.075
Saray Khumalo:
00:31:12.075 --> 00:31:12.435
Right.
00:31:13.005 --> 00:31:13.905
What are three
00:31:13.905 --> 00:31:14.805
simple Yeah.
00:31:14.805 --> 00:31:15.375
But powerful
00:31:15.375 --> 00:31:16.455
financial habits.
00:31:16.455 --> 00:31:16.515
Yeah.
00:31:16.785 --> 00:31:17.775
That can help South
00:31:17.775 --> 00:31:19.305
Africans, no matter
00:31:19.305 --> 00:31:20.025
their income.
00:31:20.025 --> 00:31:20.115
Yeah.
00:31:20.415 --> 00:31:21.975
Regain control and
00:31:21.975 --> 00:31:22.965
a peace of mind.
00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:23.909
Frank: Isn't it
00:31:23.909 --> 00:31:24.370
exciting, Saray,
00:31:24.659 --> 00:31:25.230
that those three
00:31:25.230 --> 00:31:26.010
things are there and
00:31:26.010 --> 00:31:27.540
they exist, right?
00:31:27.540 --> 00:31:28.020
Saray Khumalo: Yes.
00:31:28.379 --> 00:31:28.919
'
Frank: cause then
00:31:29.040 --> 00:31:30.240
we can use them
00:31:30.540 --> 00:31:32.220
to shift our money
00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:33.780
story, to shift our
00:31:33.780 --> 00:31:34.560
relationship, to
00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:36.115
shift our, our, our,
00:31:36.120 --> 00:31:37.290
our, our finances
00:31:37.290 --> 00:31:38.250
and raise our
00:31:38.250 --> 00:31:39.030
families better and
00:31:39.030 --> 00:31:39.899
achieve the goals
00:31:40.050 --> 00:31:40.679
'cause money so
00:31:40.679 --> 00:31:41.610
central to allies.
00:31:41.970 --> 00:31:43.770
The first one that
00:31:43.770 --> 00:31:44.820
many people don't
00:31:44.820 --> 00:31:46.200
realize is nothing
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:46.770
to do with your
00:31:46.770 --> 00:31:48.179
bank balance is
00:31:48.300 --> 00:31:50.250
understanding what
00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:51.760
money means to you.
00:31:53.025 --> 00:31:53.815
I told you, Saray,
00:31:53.955 --> 00:31:55.365
and you know my
00:31:55.515 --> 00:31:57.465
old op, right?
00:31:57.465 --> 00:31:58.785
It's 17 years old.
00:31:58.785 --> 00:31:59.355
I've done it
00:31:59.355 --> 00:32:00.615
for 15 years.
00:32:01.365 --> 00:32:01.905
Why?
00:32:02.775 --> 00:32:04.455
Because mommy means
00:32:04.605 --> 00:32:05.710
security to me.
00:32:05.890 --> 00:32:06.310
Mm-hmm.
00:32:07.215 --> 00:32:07.635
Right.
00:32:07.875 --> 00:32:08.715
And so I'm saying
00:32:08.715 --> 00:32:09.375
I want to invest.
00:32:09.375 --> 00:32:09.645
I want to
00:32:09.794 --> 00:32:10.665
wisely invest in
00:32:10.665 --> 00:32:11.774
myself, invest
00:32:11.774 --> 00:32:12.495
in other things.
00:32:12.495 --> 00:32:13.215
'cause that's what
00:32:13.215 --> 00:32:13.875
money represents.
00:32:13.875 --> 00:32:14.504
Security.
00:32:14.865 --> 00:32:15.435
And you can see
00:32:15.435 --> 00:32:15.975
someone who has been
00:32:15.975 --> 00:32:16.754
brought, homeless,
00:32:16.754 --> 00:32:17.745
unemployed, kind of.
00:32:17.745 --> 00:32:18.314
I also don't want
00:32:18.314 --> 00:32:18.975
to go back there.
00:32:19.155 --> 00:32:19.905
So I always have
00:32:19.905 --> 00:32:20.774
emergency funds.
00:32:20.774 --> 00:32:21.284
I'm using my
00:32:21.284 --> 00:32:22.125
money wisely.
00:32:22.754 --> 00:32:23.445
It's not to say
00:32:23.445 --> 00:32:23.895
it's right or
00:32:23.895 --> 00:32:24.945
wrong for another
00:32:24.945 --> 00:32:25.665
person, money may
00:32:25.665 --> 00:32:26.475
means freedom,
00:32:27.284 --> 00:32:29.235
power, status,
00:32:29.504 --> 00:32:31.334
security, love.
00:32:32.175 --> 00:32:33.524
What I want people
00:32:33.524 --> 00:32:34.485
to understand
00:32:34.725 --> 00:32:35.445
is this.
00:32:36.225 --> 00:32:37.425
That which money
00:32:37.425 --> 00:32:39.465
represents, drives
00:32:39.465 --> 00:32:40.125
your financial
00:32:40.125 --> 00:32:40.665
behavior.
00:32:41.175 --> 00:32:42.105
If money means
00:32:42.105 --> 00:32:43.905
status, look at
00:32:43.905 --> 00:32:44.505
your wardrobe.
00:32:44.715 --> 00:32:45.255
Look at how many
00:32:45.255 --> 00:32:46.125
sneakers we have.
00:32:46.815 --> 00:32:47.715
Look at your
00:32:47.925 --> 00:32:48.345
clothes.
00:32:48.645 --> 00:32:49.515
Branded versus
00:32:49.515 --> 00:32:50.205
non-branded.
00:32:50.925 --> 00:32:51.550
Look at your phone.
00:32:52.560 --> 00:32:53.730
The answer will be
00:32:53.730 --> 00:32:54.420
in front of you.
00:32:54.600 --> 00:32:54.960
Right?
00:32:55.260 --> 00:32:56.850
And it's not to say
00:32:57.150 --> 00:32:57.840
there's right or
00:32:57.840 --> 00:32:59.310
wrong, it's to say
00:32:59.820 --> 00:33:01.290
one of the powers
00:33:01.290 --> 00:33:03.030
to unlock what you
00:33:03.030 --> 00:33:04.440
do with money is
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:05.370
to understand what
00:33:05.370 --> 00:33:06.180
it represents.
00:33:06.450 --> 00:33:07.650
And then to say
00:33:08.550 --> 00:33:09.600
it has to be
00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:11.100
about balance, if
00:33:11.100 --> 00:33:12.420
you are dominant
00:33:13.080 --> 00:33:14.490
money, story is, it
00:33:14.490 --> 00:33:16.560
represents status.
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:18.450
Then it can go in
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.710
overdrive because
00:33:19.770 --> 00:33:20.340
you know, our
00:33:20.340 --> 00:33:20.850
greenies were
00:33:20.850 --> 00:33:21.300
right where they
00:33:21.300 --> 00:33:22.140
said everything
00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:22.950
in moderation.
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.510
So if it's status
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:25.800
is the phone, is
00:33:25.800 --> 00:33:26.730
the shoes, is the
00:33:26.730 --> 00:33:27.480
dressing, is the
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:28.110
right address,
00:33:28.110 --> 00:33:28.590
is the right
00:33:28.590 --> 00:33:30.090
holidays, you may
00:33:30.285 --> 00:33:31.425
be heavily indebted.
00:33:32.595 --> 00:33:34.305
As a result of many
00:33:34.305 --> 00:33:35.265
meaning, status,
00:33:35.265 --> 00:33:35.805
and they're chasing
00:33:35.805 --> 00:33:36.495
that status.
00:33:37.065 --> 00:33:38.175
You need a balance.
00:33:38.175 --> 00:33:38.655
You need a bit
00:33:38.655 --> 00:33:39.345
of planning.
00:33:39.345 --> 00:33:39.825
You need a little
00:33:39.825 --> 00:33:40.485
bit of security.
00:33:40.755 --> 00:33:42.165
So understanding
00:33:42.165 --> 00:33:42.615
that through
00:33:42.615 --> 00:33:43.605
many quizzes that
00:33:43.605 --> 00:33:44.265
are available
00:33:44.265 --> 00:33:45.165
on online, plus
00:33:45.225 --> 00:33:46.035
almost all banks
00:33:46.035 --> 00:33:47.055
have them, it'll
00:33:47.055 --> 00:33:47.955
help, number one.
00:33:48.165 --> 00:33:48.615
Number two,
00:33:48.615 --> 00:33:49.125
someone is gonna
00:33:49.125 --> 00:33:50.595
say, ah, dog, you
00:33:50.625 --> 00:33:51.825
can eat status.
00:33:52.065 --> 00:33:52.875
You can eat what
00:33:52.875 --> 00:33:53.895
money means to you.
00:33:53.925 --> 00:33:54.255
Right?
00:33:54.659 --> 00:33:55.350
Gimme something
00:33:55.350 --> 00:33:56.129
more practical.
00:33:56.310 --> 00:33:56.850
Let's go to
00:33:56.850 --> 00:33:57.480
the next one.
00:33:57.990 --> 00:33:59.129
I think people often
00:33:59.129 --> 00:34:00.810
underestimate that
00:34:01.050 --> 00:34:02.100
one of the things
00:34:02.399 --> 00:34:04.230
that unlocks what
00:34:04.679 --> 00:34:05.850
we do with money
00:34:06.540 --> 00:34:08.460
is simple, and
00:34:08.520 --> 00:34:10.139
it is the simple
00:34:10.350 --> 00:34:12.630
humble act that is
00:34:12.630 --> 00:34:13.860
called budgeting.
00:34:14.370 --> 00:34:15.420
What does it mean?
00:34:16.080 --> 00:34:18.150
It simply means you
00:34:18.150 --> 00:34:19.110
are telling your
00:34:19.110 --> 00:34:20.100
money where to go.
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:21.150
You're saying a
00:34:21.150 --> 00:34:22.290
thousand rent comes
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:23.429
in my account.
00:34:23.924 --> 00:34:24.705
I take away
00:34:24.975 --> 00:34:25.904
300 rent.
00:34:26.355 --> 00:34:27.735
I use it for rent,
00:34:27.855 --> 00:34:28.665
for transport,
00:34:28.844 --> 00:34:29.955
for food, for
00:34:29.955 --> 00:34:30.824
school fees.
00:34:30.855 --> 00:34:30.884
Mm.
00:34:31.904 --> 00:34:33.045
What am I left with?
00:34:34.005 --> 00:34:35.085
Is it enough?
00:34:35.625 --> 00:34:36.525
No, it's not enough.
00:34:36.855 --> 00:34:37.694
I must do more
00:34:37.694 --> 00:34:38.205
so that I can
00:34:38.355 --> 00:34:39.105
bring more money
00:34:39.735 --> 00:34:41.475
also where I'm
00:34:41.475 --> 00:34:42.375
putting this money.
00:34:42.795 --> 00:34:43.965
Is this aligned
00:34:43.965 --> 00:34:44.475
with where I want
00:34:44.475 --> 00:34:45.165
my life to go?
00:34:45.525 --> 00:34:46.065
So in other way,
00:34:46.065 --> 00:34:46.815
those categories,
00:34:46.815 --> 00:34:47.505
your niche, your
00:34:47.505 --> 00:34:48.134
wants, right?
00:34:48.225 --> 00:34:48.344
Mm-hmm.
00:34:48.585 --> 00:34:49.875
So a budget is such
00:34:49.875 --> 00:34:50.924
a powerful planning
00:34:50.924 --> 00:34:52.034
tool because it
00:34:52.034 --> 00:34:52.574
allows you to
00:34:52.574 --> 00:34:53.505
constantly reflect
00:34:53.505 --> 00:34:54.134
on what you're doing
00:34:54.134 --> 00:34:54.370
with your money.
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:56.159
And you get feedback
00:34:56.339 --> 00:34:57.000
when that debit
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:57.750
order bounties,
00:34:57.839 --> 00:34:58.560
there's feedback
00:34:58.830 --> 00:34:59.129
that there was
00:34:59.129 --> 00:34:59.730
not enough money
00:34:59.730 --> 00:35:00.270
in the account.
00:35:00.569 --> 00:35:01.259
When they call you
00:35:01.259 --> 00:35:02.040
about a misplace
00:35:02.040 --> 00:35:02.970
payment, there's
00:35:02.970 --> 00:35:03.720
feedback, right?
00:35:04.109 --> 00:35:05.850
And so for me, it's
00:35:05.850 --> 00:35:06.660
not about having
00:35:06.660 --> 00:35:07.890
lots of money, it's
00:35:07.890 --> 00:35:08.490
about having the
00:35:08.490 --> 00:35:09.480
discipline to manage
00:35:09.509 --> 00:35:10.830
even the small one
00:35:11.160 --> 00:35:11.970
through the tool
00:35:12.120 --> 00:35:12.810
called the budget.
00:35:12.810 --> 00:35:13.410
So that's what my
00:35:13.410 --> 00:35:14.220
second offering.
00:35:14.370 --> 00:35:15.600
Third one is
00:35:15.600 --> 00:35:16.379
this and it's
00:35:16.379 --> 00:35:16.919
the hardest.
00:35:17.700 --> 00:35:18.419
We're also told
00:35:18.419 --> 00:35:18.899
when you start
00:35:18.899 --> 00:35:19.924
working, many
00:35:19.924 --> 00:35:20.484
people tell you.
00:35:21.254 --> 00:35:22.634
Spend less
00:35:22.634 --> 00:35:23.415
than you earn.
00:35:23.865 --> 00:35:24.585
My goodness.
00:35:24.884 --> 00:35:26.865
One of the simplest
00:35:26.865 --> 00:35:27.705
pieces of advice.
00:35:28.125 --> 00:35:29.865
To put in place
00:35:30.225 --> 00:35:31.875
is so hard because
00:35:31.875 --> 00:35:33.615
if you just say, I
00:35:33.615 --> 00:35:34.785
want to pay myself,
00:35:35.115 --> 00:35:35.715
it doesn't matter
00:35:35.715 --> 00:35:36.645
how much I get, I
00:35:36.645 --> 00:35:37.905
discipline myself.
00:35:38.205 --> 00:35:39.255
10% of whatever
00:35:39.255 --> 00:35:40.785
I get or 5% is
00:35:40.785 --> 00:35:41.895
for me, I put
00:35:41.895 --> 00:35:43.185
it aside, right?
00:35:43.605 --> 00:35:44.505
You are spending
00:35:44.505 --> 00:35:45.075
less than you end.
00:35:45.799 --> 00:35:46.520
The rest
00:35:46.520 --> 00:35:47.120
will follow.
00:35:47.390 --> 00:35:47.630
Right.
00:35:47.630 --> 00:35:48.110
And you can see
00:35:48.110 --> 00:35:48.589
they're linked.
00:35:49.009 --> 00:35:49.850
Understand your
00:35:50.029 --> 00:35:50.600
relationship
00:35:50.600 --> 00:35:51.170
with money.
00:35:51.620 --> 00:35:52.610
Do a simple act
00:35:52.610 --> 00:35:53.270
of planning.
00:35:53.270 --> 00:35:53.720
We call it
00:35:53.720 --> 00:35:54.350
budgeting.
00:35:54.560 --> 00:35:54.740
Yeah.
00:35:54.740 --> 00:35:55.069
Right.
00:35:55.339 --> 00:35:55.970
And tracking
00:35:55.970 --> 00:35:56.569
what's happening
00:35:56.569 --> 00:35:57.200
with the monies.
00:35:57.589 --> 00:35:59.540
And finally, do
00:35:59.779 --> 00:36:01.610
you, not month by
00:36:01.610 --> 00:36:02.390
month, but let's
00:36:02.390 --> 00:36:03.589
say per quarter.
00:36:04.200 --> 00:36:04.950
Are you making
00:36:04.950 --> 00:36:06.000
sure that you spend
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.690
less than you end?
00:36:06.899 --> 00:36:07.680
And of course, if
00:36:08.009 --> 00:36:08.759
it's not happening
00:36:08.759 --> 00:36:09.480
and they say, what
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:10.170
side hustle can
00:36:10.170 --> 00:36:11.129
I find to bring
00:36:11.129 --> 00:36:11.910
in more money?
00:36:12.089 --> 00:36:12.960
So for me, those
00:36:13.020 --> 00:36:14.009
three simple, and
00:36:14.040 --> 00:36:14.879
wherever you are,
00:36:15.180 --> 00:36:16.200
you can do them.
00:36:16.200 --> 00:36:16.680
I did them
00:36:16.680 --> 00:36:17.129
when I selling
00:36:17.129 --> 00:36:17.700
fruit and veg.
00:36:17.970 --> 00:36:18.390
I'm doing
00:36:18.390 --> 00:36:18.870
them today.
00:36:18.870 --> 00:36:19.620
I teach at Gibbs.
00:36:20.535 --> 00:36:20.625
Saray Khumalo: Are
00:36:20.625 --> 00:36:21.285
you still selling
00:36:21.285 --> 00:36:21.825
fruit and veg?
00:36:22.275 --> 00:36:23.085
Frank: No, I've
00:36:23.085 --> 00:36:24.435
graduated from that
00:36:24.435 --> 00:36:25.695
skill, but I learned
00:36:25.695 --> 00:36:27.315
a lot around life.
00:36:27.315 --> 00:36:28.035
Just engage
00:36:28.035 --> 00:36:28.635
customers.
00:36:28.815 --> 00:36:29.415
Seven months of
00:36:29.415 --> 00:36:29.925
selling fruit
00:36:29.925 --> 00:36:30.465
and veggies,
00:36:30.585 --> 00:36:30.585
Saray Khumalo:
00:36:30.585 --> 00:36:31.155
I'm sure.
00:36:32.025 --> 00:36:32.895
So when you were
00:36:32.895 --> 00:36:33.765
at your lowest
00:36:33.765 --> 00:36:34.305
point Yes.
00:36:34.335 --> 00:36:35.295
What belief
00:36:35.325 --> 00:36:36.525
or ritual kept
00:36:36.525 --> 00:36:37.305
you grounded?
00:36:37.515 --> 00:36:37.875
Frank: Oh my God.
00:36:37.875 --> 00:36:38.175
What do you
00:36:38.955 --> 00:36:38.955
Saray Khumalo:
00:36:38.955 --> 00:36:39.885
do today?
00:36:39.945 --> 00:36:40.575
Even as an
00:36:40.575 --> 00:36:41.175
executive?
00:36:41.175 --> 00:36:41.295
Yeah.
00:36:41.325 --> 00:36:42.255
Or a lecturer,
00:36:42.255 --> 00:36:43.185
A professor that
00:36:43.185 --> 00:36:44.475
you are, uh, to
00:36:44.475 --> 00:36:45.675
stay connected.
00:36:45.985 --> 00:36:47.185
To the same inner
00:36:47.185 --> 00:36:48.745
strength that once
00:36:48.745 --> 00:36:49.735
kept you alive
00:36:49.825 --> 00:36:50.545
on the streets
00:36:50.575 --> 00:36:51.205
of Johannesburg.
00:36:51.475 --> 00:36:51.775
Frank: What a
00:36:51.775 --> 00:36:52.615
beautiful question.
00:36:52.795 --> 00:36:53.605
So you want to
00:36:53.605 --> 00:36:54.835
know the rituals
00:36:54.835 --> 00:36:55.585
of Dr. Man
00:36:55.585 --> 00:36:55.585
Saray Khumalo:
00:36:55.585 --> 00:36:56.245
is because
00:36:56.815 --> 00:36:57.655
the listeners
00:36:57.655 --> 00:36:58.075
are looking
00:36:58.075 --> 00:36:58.735
like, how can I
00:36:58.735 --> 00:36:59.725
replicate this?
00:37:00.025 --> 00:37:00.385
You know?
00:37:00.385 --> 00:37:00.715
Frank: And you
00:37:00.715 --> 00:37:01.315
know, they call me
00:37:01.315 --> 00:37:02.575
Dr. Me, it gives my
00:37:02.575 --> 00:37:03.655
students, I'm the
00:37:03.660 --> 00:37:04.525
name of rituals.
00:37:05.550 --> 00:37:05.840
Saray Khumalo: Okay.
00:37:06.235 --> 00:37:06.715
Frank: Yeah.
00:37:06.865 --> 00:37:07.075
Saray Khumalo: So
00:37:07.080 --> 00:37:07.280
Frank: it's
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:07.760
an appropriate
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:08.400
question, ritual
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:08.840
there a couple.
00:37:08.940 --> 00:37:09.535
So I'll share a
00:37:09.535 --> 00:37:10.315
few, maybe three.
00:37:10.615 --> 00:37:11.305
So the first ritual
00:37:12.175 --> 00:37:13.015
is gratitude.
00:37:13.885 --> 00:37:14.485
I wake up.
00:37:15.030 --> 00:37:16.470
And I'm grateful
00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:17.250
to be alive.
00:37:17.970 --> 00:37:19.110
When did that
00:37:19.110 --> 00:37:19.830
start, Saray?
00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:21.600
It started in
00:37:21.810 --> 00:37:24.690
Hebrew in 1990.
00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:25.500
Uh, three.
00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:27.060
I vividly remember
00:37:27.060 --> 00:37:28.800
about July, 1993.
00:37:29.190 --> 00:37:30.270
Very close to High
00:37:30.270 --> 00:37:31.050
Point, and there
00:37:31.050 --> 00:37:32.340
used to be Fontana
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:33.240
roster there.
00:37:33.630 --> 00:37:34.320
I was working
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:35.040
there around
00:37:35.040 --> 00:37:36.690
maybe 2:00 AM.
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:38.490
I didn't, it
00:37:38.490 --> 00:37:39.000
was late for me
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:39.540
to walk across
00:37:39.540 --> 00:37:40.350
the park station
00:37:40.680 --> 00:37:41.295
and I was mad.
00:37:42.030 --> 00:37:43.020
With nothing
00:37:43.020 --> 00:37:43.740
to give people.
00:37:43.890 --> 00:37:44.285
I mean, how?
00:37:44.285 --> 00:37:45.360
How do you make a
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:46.110
homeless person?
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:46.620
Wow.
00:37:46.620 --> 00:37:47.220
Someone just showed
00:37:47.220 --> 00:37:47.790
me in the alley.
00:37:47.790 --> 00:37:48.270
They tackled
00:37:48.270 --> 00:37:48.690
me down.
00:37:48.690 --> 00:37:49.530
They checked I
00:37:49.530 --> 00:37:51.210
had nothing, and
00:37:51.210 --> 00:37:52.290
then I realized,
00:37:53.130 --> 00:37:54.450
my goodness, it's
00:37:54.450 --> 00:37:55.530
dangerous to be on
00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:56.490
the streets of Beck.
00:37:56.970 --> 00:37:57.570
I'd never thought
00:37:57.570 --> 00:37:58.380
about it that way
00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:58.950
because I slept
00:37:58.950 --> 00:37:59.550
at Park Station
00:37:59.550 --> 00:38:00.210
most of the time.
00:38:00.215 --> 00:38:00.495
Right.
00:38:01.590 --> 00:38:02.550
And since that
00:38:02.700 --> 00:38:04.170
day, wherever I
00:38:04.170 --> 00:38:05.460
was, whether it was
00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:06.810
Robert Park or it
00:38:06.810 --> 00:38:07.710
was Park Station
00:38:07.710 --> 00:38:08.370
or sometimes even
00:38:08.370 --> 00:38:09.240
toilets at Carlton
00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:10.230
Center, I would
00:38:10.230 --> 00:38:11.550
just say, wow,
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.260
I'm alive and I'm
00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:14.160
grateful for that.
00:38:14.310 --> 00:38:14.700
Right?
00:38:14.850 --> 00:38:15.510
And of course
00:38:15.510 --> 00:38:16.170
I build on
00:38:16.170 --> 00:38:17.100
during the day.
00:38:17.220 --> 00:38:17.850
I have my first
00:38:17.850 --> 00:38:18.720
coffee and I say,
00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:19.560
oh, wonderful.
00:38:19.890 --> 00:38:20.790
I'm able to even
00:38:20.790 --> 00:38:21.900
enjoy coffee.
00:38:22.875 --> 00:38:23.385
I'm grateful
00:38:23.385 --> 00:38:24.135
for that, right?
00:38:24.135 --> 00:38:24.675
I'm grateful for
00:38:24.675 --> 00:38:25.485
small things, so
00:38:25.575 --> 00:38:27.195
every single day for
00:38:27.195 --> 00:38:28.245
me opening my eyes,
00:38:28.245 --> 00:38:29.145
I have a ritual of
00:38:29.145 --> 00:38:31.215
gratitude and overly
00:38:31.725 --> 00:38:32.565
I can say I have a
00:38:32.565 --> 00:38:33.795
ritual of gratitude
00:38:33.795 --> 00:38:34.905
for small things.
00:38:35.055 --> 00:38:35.625
That's one.
00:38:35.955 --> 00:38:36.375
What's my
00:38:36.375 --> 00:38:37.095
other ritual?
00:38:37.545 --> 00:38:38.235
Self-talk.
00:38:38.745 --> 00:38:39.735
Positive Self-talk.
00:38:39.735 --> 00:38:40.605
My kids know it.
00:38:40.875 --> 00:38:41.445
Sometimes they even
00:38:41.445 --> 00:38:41.955
walk in a room.
00:38:42.255 --> 00:38:42.555
But why are
00:38:42.555 --> 00:38:42.945
you talking
00:38:42.945 --> 00:38:44.740
to, sometimes
00:38:44.770 --> 00:38:45.460
it's even loud.
00:38:45.460 --> 00:38:46.020
It's not even
00:38:46.340 --> 00:38:47.300
internal now, right?
00:38:47.710 --> 00:38:48.540
Where did I
00:38:48.540 --> 00:38:48.900
learn that?
00:38:51.465 --> 00:38:53.385
I started first
00:38:53.385 --> 00:38:54.405
year neuroscience
00:38:54.585 --> 00:38:55.185
math statistic.
00:38:55.185 --> 00:38:56.085
It was so hard for
00:38:56.085 --> 00:38:58.815
me, and I started
00:38:58.815 --> 00:38:59.595
by firstly saying,
00:38:59.685 --> 00:39:00.435
oh, I've been out of
00:39:00.435 --> 00:39:01.185
school for a while.
00:39:01.425 --> 00:39:02.835
You at verse 94,
00:39:02.835 --> 00:39:03.975
you matriculated 91.
00:39:04.125 --> 00:39:05.145
This gap is
00:39:05.145 --> 00:39:05.775
the problem.
00:39:06.195 --> 00:39:06.525
When I was
00:39:06.525 --> 00:39:07.215
failing to, then I
00:39:07.215 --> 00:39:08.895
realize, no, that's
00:39:08.895 --> 00:39:09.795
not an excuse.
00:39:10.395 --> 00:39:11.205
And so became
00:39:11.205 --> 00:39:11.925
this ritual.
00:39:12.555 --> 00:39:13.455
Look myself in the
00:39:13.455 --> 00:39:14.895
mirror right in the
00:39:14.895 --> 00:39:16.270
morning, and I say.
00:39:16.950 --> 00:39:17.640
You may be
00:39:17.640 --> 00:39:18.510
struggling with
00:39:18.510 --> 00:39:19.380
statistics today.
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:19.770
You may be
00:39:19.770 --> 00:39:20.340
struggling with
00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:20.970
extra science
00:39:21.210 --> 00:39:21.870
because it was
00:39:21.870 --> 00:39:23.070
hard, but you're
00:39:23.070 --> 00:39:23.940
making progress.
00:39:24.510 --> 00:39:25.170
That test,
00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:26.310
you got 58%.
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:27.270
This one,
00:39:27.270 --> 00:39:28.290
you got 62%.
00:39:28.470 --> 00:39:29.310
There is something.
00:39:29.580 --> 00:39:31.380
So I stopped just
00:39:31.710 --> 00:39:32.430
looking at myself
00:39:32.430 --> 00:39:33.510
and said, I failed.
00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:34.440
And I started
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:34.980
saying, no,
00:39:35.040 --> 00:39:35.490
you getting
00:39:35.490 --> 00:39:35.940
better, right?
00:39:36.270 --> 00:39:36.360
Mm-hmm.
00:39:37.080 --> 00:39:38.730
And so something
00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:39.270
happens in class.
00:39:39.270 --> 00:39:39.885
I'm teaching at gi.
00:39:40.515 --> 00:39:41.595
Maybe I didn't have
00:39:41.745 --> 00:39:42.825
order in the class.
00:39:43.005 --> 00:39:43.904
Maybe, you know, I
00:39:43.904 --> 00:39:45.194
didn't respond in a
00:39:45.194 --> 00:39:46.095
way I should have.
00:39:46.275 --> 00:39:46.575
'cause you know, a
00:39:46.575 --> 00:39:47.444
class of eight can
00:39:47.444 --> 00:39:48.075
be quite challenging
00:39:48.075 --> 00:39:48.555
to manage.
00:39:49.065 --> 00:39:49.484
And I get
00:39:49.484 --> 00:39:50.205
feedback on that.
00:39:50.390 --> 00:39:51.225
And I look myself
00:39:51.225 --> 00:39:51.825
in the mirror just
00:39:51.825 --> 00:39:52.424
before I sleep.
00:39:52.605 --> 00:39:53.115
'cause that's also
00:39:53.115 --> 00:39:53.775
my other ritual
00:39:53.775 --> 00:39:54.345
I'll talk about.
00:39:54.645 --> 00:39:55.605
And I say, what
00:39:55.605 --> 00:39:56.025
did you do?
00:39:56.025 --> 00:39:57.435
Well, Dr. Mex
00:39:57.435 --> 00:39:58.875
today, what didn't
00:39:59.384 --> 00:40:00.315
you do well today?
00:40:00.464 --> 00:40:00.825
What are you
00:40:00.825 --> 00:40:01.575
going to improve?
00:40:01.755 --> 00:40:02.924
So I do both so
00:40:02.924 --> 00:40:03.825
that I have what
00:40:03.825 --> 00:40:05.145
I can improve and
00:40:05.145 --> 00:40:06.165
I pat myself on
00:40:06.165 --> 00:40:07.005
the back, right?
00:40:07.125 --> 00:40:07.815
Which takes me to
00:40:07.815 --> 00:40:08.654
my third ritual.
00:40:09.015 --> 00:40:10.095
Self-compassion.
00:40:10.665 --> 00:40:11.925
So every evening,
00:40:11.925 --> 00:40:12.705
so you see I start
00:40:12.705 --> 00:40:13.245
in the morning
00:40:13.395 --> 00:40:14.655
gratitude, right?
00:40:14.835 --> 00:40:15.675
And reflecting
00:40:16.065 --> 00:40:17.055
positive self-talk.
00:40:17.055 --> 00:40:17.775
As I'm going through
00:40:17.775 --> 00:40:19.275
the day and in
00:40:19.275 --> 00:40:19.905
the evening, I
00:40:19.905 --> 00:40:21.705
close off with my
00:40:22.365 --> 00:40:23.865
self-compassion
00:40:23.925 --> 00:40:24.435
ritual.
00:40:24.855 --> 00:40:25.725
I ask myself
00:40:25.725 --> 00:40:26.655
three things,
00:40:27.225 --> 00:40:29.265
one doctor makes.
00:40:29.265 --> 00:40:30.345
Have you been kind
00:40:30.345 --> 00:40:31.605
to yourself today?
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:33.840
Given the pressures
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:34.320
of teaching,
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:34.980
the pressures of
00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:35.850
publishing, wanting
00:40:35.850 --> 00:40:36.720
to be promoted to a
00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:38.190
professor, managing
00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:39.330
a 24-year-old and a
00:40:39.330 --> 00:40:41.280
21-year-old girls in
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:42.480
South Africa today.
00:40:43.140 --> 00:40:43.980
All those pressures
00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:44.790
have even kind
00:40:44.790 --> 00:40:45.300
to yourself.
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:46.860
One, two, I say
00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:47.790
to myself, have
00:40:47.790 --> 00:40:49.440
you been mindful?
00:40:49.740 --> 00:40:50.760
Were you aware
00:40:50.790 --> 00:40:51.420
of how you were
00:40:51.540 --> 00:40:52.080
interacting
00:40:52.080 --> 00:40:52.830
with others?
00:40:53.130 --> 00:40:54.000
Were you making
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:54.900
people feel as
00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:55.650
if they matter?
00:40:56.160 --> 00:40:56.580
Right?
00:40:57.330 --> 00:40:58.050
Will you in tune
00:40:58.050 --> 00:40:58.950
to thought emotion?
00:40:58.950 --> 00:40:59.640
That my second
00:40:59.640 --> 00:41:00.540
practice, right?
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:01.710
The final one,
00:41:02.160 --> 00:41:03.330
did you remember?
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:04.500
You human.
00:41:05.220 --> 00:41:06.270
What I mean by that,
00:41:07.020 --> 00:41:08.460
I'm reminding myself
00:41:09.270 --> 00:41:10.380
to stay grounded.
00:41:10.485 --> 00:41:10.545
Hmm.
00:41:11.595 --> 00:41:13.245
Everyone matters.
00:41:13.455 --> 00:41:14.055
When I say, did
00:41:14.055 --> 00:41:14.985
you remind yourself
00:41:14.985 --> 00:41:15.405
you're human?
00:41:15.555 --> 00:41:16.035
When I say, of
00:41:16.035 --> 00:41:16.755
course I did.
00:41:17.055 --> 00:41:17.415
Then I say,
00:41:17.415 --> 00:41:18.045
please remember,
00:41:18.045 --> 00:41:18.885
everyone is human
00:41:19.125 --> 00:41:19.965
in crazy self.
00:41:20.295 --> 00:41:21.285
Someone frustrated
00:41:21.495 --> 00:41:22.305
that security
00:41:22.305 --> 00:41:22.965
card, that
00:41:22.965 --> 00:41:23.805
homeless person.
00:41:23.985 --> 00:41:24.615
So those are
00:41:24.615 --> 00:41:25.125
my ritual.
00:41:25.125 --> 00:41:25.545
They've got
00:41:25.545 --> 00:41:25.995
to do with
00:41:26.145 --> 00:41:27.195
self-compassion,
00:41:27.495 --> 00:41:28.725
kindness, positive
00:41:28.725 --> 00:41:29.715
self-talk, and
00:41:29.715 --> 00:41:30.390
just saying it's
00:41:30.390 --> 00:41:31.095
gonna be okay.
00:41:31.305 --> 00:41:31.905
Even if I'm going
00:41:31.905 --> 00:41:32.505
through obstacles
00:41:32.505 --> 00:41:33.045
when I say, are you
00:41:33.045 --> 00:41:34.005
kind with yourself?
00:41:34.305 --> 00:41:34.695
No.
00:41:35.025 --> 00:41:35.685
Well, you must be
00:41:35.685 --> 00:41:36.165
kind to yourself
00:41:36.225 --> 00:41:36.825
even though
00:41:36.825 --> 00:41:37.485
your manuscript
00:41:37.485 --> 00:41:38.235
got rejected.
00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:38.390
Mm-hmm.
00:41:38.390 --> 00:41:38.510
Because.
00:41:39.285 --> 00:41:39.795
It happens
00:41:39.795 --> 00:41:40.485
to all of us.
00:41:40.964 --> 00:41:40.964
Saray Khumalo:
00:41:40.964 --> 00:41:41.475
Amazing.
00:41:41.475 --> 00:41:41.745
Frank: So those
00:41:41.745 --> 00:41:42.525
are my rituals.
00:41:42.525 --> 00:41:42.555
I
00:41:42.915 --> 00:41:43.154
Saray Khumalo: was
00:41:43.154 --> 00:41:43.935
a bit emotional
00:41:43.935 --> 00:41:44.654
at some point.
00:41:44.654 --> 00:41:45.225
I think we,
00:41:46.279 --> 00:41:47.580
Frank: so I'm like,
00:41:47.640 --> 00:41:48.540
what's going on?
00:41:50.475 --> 00:41:50.535
Saray Khumalo: So
00:41:50.535 --> 00:41:51.495
I think sometimes
00:41:51.495 --> 00:41:52.515
we are too hard on
00:41:52.515 --> 00:41:54.015
ourselves, you know?
00:41:54.015 --> 00:41:55.214
And, um, if we
00:41:55.214 --> 00:41:55.904
are not kind
00:41:55.904 --> 00:41:56.535
on ourselves,
00:41:56.535 --> 00:41:57.045
why should the
00:41:57.045 --> 00:41:57.674
world care?
00:41:57.705 --> 00:41:58.185
Frank: Yes.
00:41:58.680 --> 00:41:58.860
Saray Khumalo: So
00:41:58.860 --> 00:41:59.610
it's important to
00:41:59.610 --> 00:42:00.750
say you did well
00:42:00.870 --> 00:42:01.470
Frank: and who
00:42:01.470 --> 00:42:02.730
knows that topic
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.560
better than you on
00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:05.850
ever rest, right?
00:42:06.165 --> 00:42:06.365
Absolutely.
00:42:06.385 --> 00:42:07.165
Be kind to yourself.
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:07.320
Saray Khumalo:
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:07.890
Absolutely.
00:42:07.890 --> 00:42:08.880
You have to be kind
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:09.870
to yourself, but
00:42:09.870 --> 00:42:10.650
more importantly,
00:42:10.650 --> 00:42:11.490
keep stepping.
00:42:11.495 --> 00:42:11.645
Yeah.
00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:12.180
Yeah.
00:42:12.180 --> 00:42:13.380
So Frank.
00:42:13.590 --> 00:42:14.820
If you could speak
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:16.290
to a young person
00:42:16.290 --> 00:42:17.070
sleeping on the
00:42:17.070 --> 00:42:18.120
pavement on Park
00:42:18.120 --> 00:42:19.650
Station today or
00:42:19.650 --> 00:42:21.600
tonight with no
00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:22.860
money, no network.
00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:23.580
Yeah, no
00:42:23.580 --> 00:42:24.810
clear way out.
00:42:25.200 --> 00:42:26.250
What's the one
00:42:26.250 --> 00:42:27.720
message you would
00:42:28.020 --> 00:42:29.130
want to give them
00:42:29.370 --> 00:42:30.360
or do you want
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:31.080
them to solve
00:42:31.110 --> 00:42:32.910
onto until the sun
00:42:32.910 --> 00:42:34.080
rises the next day
00:42:34.170 --> 00:42:34.470
Frank: and
00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:35.250
how beautiful.
00:42:35.250 --> 00:42:35.970
To just allow me
00:42:35.970 --> 00:42:37.920
one and I know it.
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:38.880
I would tell this
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.350
young Frank who was
00:42:40.350 --> 00:42:41.160
there on the corner
00:42:41.160 --> 00:42:41.910
plane in street
00:42:41.910 --> 00:42:42.570
to under rise.
00:42:43.080 --> 00:42:44.490
That you may be
00:42:44.490 --> 00:42:46.230
broke, you may be
00:42:46.230 --> 00:42:47.490
homeless, you may
00:42:47.490 --> 00:42:48.390
be unemployment,
00:42:48.870 --> 00:42:49.259
you may be
00:42:49.259 --> 00:42:50.340
hungry right now.
00:42:50.549 --> 00:42:51.390
Society might
00:42:51.390 --> 00:42:52.200
be judging you.
00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:53.370
You are uneducated,
00:42:53.370 --> 00:42:53.790
you're petty
00:42:53.790 --> 00:42:54.270
criminal.
00:42:54.270 --> 00:42:54.870
You chose life
00:42:54.870 --> 00:42:55.590
on the streets.
00:42:56.100 --> 00:42:57.060
All that.
00:42:57.600 --> 00:42:58.410
Put it aside,
00:42:58.950 --> 00:43:00.509
why you met.
00:43:01.170 --> 00:43:02.130
You met, not because
00:43:02.130 --> 00:43:02.700
you have a home.
00:43:03.180 --> 00:43:03.690
You matter,
00:43:03.690 --> 00:43:04.110
not because
00:43:04.110 --> 00:43:04.680
you have a job.
00:43:05.040 --> 00:43:05.970
You matter, not
00:43:05.970 --> 00:43:06.660
because you have
00:43:06.810 --> 00:43:07.620
food to eat.
00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:09.900
You matter because
00:43:09.930 --> 00:43:10.740
you are a human.
00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:11.460
Period.
00:43:11.759 --> 00:43:13.980
And so we need
00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:14.520
to start with our
00:43:14.520 --> 00:43:15.360
identity that just
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:16.110
says, I'm human.
00:43:16.319 --> 00:43:16.830
You met at
00:43:16.830 --> 00:43:17.430
your family.
00:43:17.910 --> 00:43:18.569
You met at your
00:43:18.569 --> 00:43:19.980
creator, right?
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.339
And if you feel.
00:43:23.955 --> 00:43:24.285
You don't
00:43:24.285 --> 00:43:24.584
matter her.
00:43:24.584 --> 00:43:25.095
I'm gonna borrow
00:43:25.095 --> 00:43:25.515
your head.
00:43:25.754 --> 00:43:25.904
Mm-hmm.
00:43:26.145 --> 00:43:26.834
You don't tell
00:43:26.834 --> 00:43:27.524
yourself every
00:43:27.524 --> 00:43:28.334
day I met her.
00:43:28.634 --> 00:43:29.834
Why should the world
00:43:29.834 --> 00:43:30.705
say you met her?
00:43:31.035 --> 00:43:31.274
Yes.
00:43:31.605 --> 00:43:32.355
So you met
00:43:32.355 --> 00:43:32.654
her because
00:43:32.654 --> 00:43:33.254
you're human.
00:43:33.495 --> 00:43:33.944
Period.
00:43:34.095 --> 00:43:34.665
Once you have
00:43:34.665 --> 00:43:36.225
that mindset, the
00:43:36.225 --> 00:43:37.214
resourcefulness,
00:43:37.214 --> 00:43:38.174
the networks,
00:43:38.415 --> 00:43:39.975
the surviving is
00:43:39.975 --> 00:43:40.875
secondary because
00:43:40.875 --> 00:43:42.674
your foundation of
00:43:42.794 --> 00:43:44.444
I meta because I'm
00:43:44.444 --> 00:43:46.395
human works magic.
00:43:47.339 --> 00:43:47.339
Saray Khumalo:
00:43:47.339 --> 00:43:48.029
I love it.
00:43:48.029 --> 00:43:49.439
I, I feel like we
00:43:49.439 --> 00:43:50.490
are in a masterclass
00:43:50.490 --> 00:43:50.879
right now.
00:43:52.589 --> 00:43:53.250
Really in a
00:43:53.250 --> 00:43:54.359
masterclass, but
00:43:54.839 --> 00:43:55.649
all good things
00:43:55.649 --> 00:43:56.850
have come to, and
00:43:56.910 --> 00:43:58.020
unfortunately,
00:43:58.020 --> 00:43:59.580
so here is our
00:43:59.580 --> 00:44:01.259
signature question.
00:44:01.350 --> 00:44:01.410
Yeah.
00:44:01.950 --> 00:44:03.390
We all know shift
00:44:03.390 --> 00:44:04.439
happens always
00:44:04.560 --> 00:44:05.640
as we were, uh,
00:44:05.640 --> 00:44:06.930
discussing when
00:44:06.930 --> 00:44:07.890
shift happens in
00:44:07.890 --> 00:44:09.509
your life, what did
00:44:09.509 --> 00:44:10.649
it teach you about
00:44:10.649 --> 00:44:12.209
who you are and who
00:44:12.209 --> 00:44:13.049
you are becoming?
00:44:13.109 --> 00:44:13.169
Frank: Yeah.
00:44:13.620 --> 00:44:14.880
I love it, who
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:15.420
you are and you're
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:16.110
becoming a work
00:44:16.110 --> 00:44:16.770
in progress.
00:44:17.190 --> 00:44:18.510
For me, being
00:44:18.510 --> 00:44:19.350
homeless, rising
00:44:19.350 --> 00:44:19.950
through that in
00:44:19.950 --> 00:44:21.330
corporate and the
00:44:21.390 --> 00:44:22.110
opportunities that
00:44:22.110 --> 00:44:23.640
have provided to me,
00:44:24.630 --> 00:44:27.900
made me realize that
00:44:27.900 --> 00:44:29.460
I met, but beyond
00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:30.390
just the expression
00:44:30.390 --> 00:44:32.310
that I met, made
00:44:32.310 --> 00:44:34.380
me realize that
00:44:35.220 --> 00:44:37.140
Frank, Saray, to.
00:44:39.105 --> 00:44:40.455
Everyone out
00:44:40.455 --> 00:44:41.385
there, human
00:44:41.385 --> 00:44:44.355
beings, we have
00:44:44.535 --> 00:44:46.665
so much potential
00:44:46.905 --> 00:44:47.985
in ourselves.
00:44:48.555 --> 00:44:49.335
We've got so
00:44:49.335 --> 00:44:50.025
much power.
00:44:50.475 --> 00:44:51.495
We often see
00:44:51.495 --> 00:44:52.185
glimpses of
00:44:52.185 --> 00:44:52.815
that power.
00:44:53.475 --> 00:44:54.675
When we overcome
00:44:54.735 --> 00:44:56.175
obstacles as the
00:44:56.175 --> 00:44:57.255
world shifts,
00:44:57.675 --> 00:44:59.025
sometimes it shifts
00:44:59.025 --> 00:44:59.775
into adversity,
00:44:59.775 --> 00:45:00.345
sometimes it's
00:45:00.345 --> 00:45:00.990
shifting into
00:45:00.990 --> 00:45:01.750
greater things.
00:45:02.175 --> 00:45:03.285
We get glimpses
00:45:03.285 --> 00:45:04.695
of that power that
00:45:04.695 --> 00:45:06.795
is in us, and so.
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:08.910
It taught me
00:45:09.720 --> 00:45:11.790
the power of the
00:45:11.790 --> 00:45:12.720
human spirit.
00:45:13.770 --> 00:45:14.279
And when you
00:45:14.279 --> 00:45:15.660
ask me what am I
00:45:15.660 --> 00:45:17.670
becoming, becoming
00:45:17.670 --> 00:45:19.710
an individual who
00:45:19.740 --> 00:45:21.990
inspires others in
00:45:22.140 --> 00:45:23.279
various platforms
00:45:23.279 --> 00:45:25.109
that I get about
00:45:25.109 --> 00:45:26.850
this power inside
00:45:26.850 --> 00:45:28.020
themselves, if I
00:45:28.020 --> 00:45:29.279
can shift just one
00:45:29.279 --> 00:45:30.390
or two people, you
00:45:30.390 --> 00:45:31.319
matter for this
00:45:31.410 --> 00:45:32.370
power to overcome,
00:45:32.609 --> 00:45:33.810
then I have inspired
00:45:33.810 --> 00:45:36.390
belief in humanity.
00:45:37.200 --> 00:45:37.200
Saray Khumalo:
00:45:37.200 --> 00:45:37.740
Absolutely
00:45:37.740 --> 00:45:38.580
Frank: one by one.
00:45:38.850 --> 00:45:39.810
That's I net.
00:45:40.590 --> 00:45:41.730
Irrespective of
00:45:41.730 --> 00:45:42.540
the obstacle I may
00:45:42.540 --> 00:45:43.140
be going through.
00:45:43.545 --> 00:45:43.545
Saray Khumalo:
00:45:43.545 --> 00:45:44.370
I, I love it.
00:45:44.370 --> 00:45:45.720
I mean, uh, when
00:45:45.720 --> 00:45:46.800
I started climbing
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:48.030
my website said,
00:45:48.090 --> 00:45:49.590
um, you know, I'm
00:45:49.590 --> 00:45:50.730
only an African,
00:45:50.730 --> 00:45:52.020
an ordinary African
00:45:52.020 --> 00:45:53.220
woman trying to
00:45:53.220 --> 00:45:54.330
reach extraordinary
00:45:54.330 --> 00:45:54.750
heights.
00:45:54.750 --> 00:45:55.080
Frank: Yes.
00:45:55.410 --> 00:45:55.410
Saray Khumalo:
00:45:55.410 --> 00:45:56.160
And the mountains
00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:56.790
taught me that
00:45:56.850 --> 00:45:57.690
that's not true.
00:45:57.690 --> 00:45:58.800
I'm uniquely
00:45:59.070 --> 00:45:59.640
extraordinary,
00:45:59.640 --> 00:46:00.720
and being ordinary
00:46:00.810 --> 00:46:01.620
is a choice.
00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:03.000
Frank: There you go.
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:03.390
Beautiful.
00:46:03.390 --> 00:46:03.390
Saray Khumalo:
00:46:03.390 --> 00:46:04.410
Be extraordinary.
00:46:04.410 --> 00:46:05.250
Being ordinary
00:46:05.490 --> 00:46:06.180
is a choice.
00:46:06.180 --> 00:46:07.230
We are all born
00:46:07.815 --> 00:46:08.805
to make history.
00:46:08.835 --> 00:46:08.925
Frank: Yeah.
00:46:09.405 --> 00:46:09.555
Saray Khumalo: We
00:46:09.555 --> 00:46:10.455
just need to believe
00:46:10.455 --> 00:46:12.015
it, to own it and
00:46:12.015 --> 00:46:12.855
to walk like it.
00:46:12.945 --> 00:46:13.425
Frank: Absolutely.
00:46:13.875 --> 00:46:13.875
Saray Khumalo:
00:46:13.875 --> 00:46:14.925
Having said that,
00:46:15.285 --> 00:46:16.515
your story reminds
00:46:16.515 --> 00:46:17.325
us really that
00:46:17.325 --> 00:46:18.705
resilience is not
00:46:19.185 --> 00:46:20.775
reserved for the few
00:46:20.775 --> 00:46:20.835
Frank: Yeah.
00:46:21.345 --> 00:46:21.675
Saray Khumalo: Who
00:46:21.675 --> 00:46:23.205
seem unbreakable.
00:46:23.235 --> 00:46:23.445
Frank: Yeah.
00:46:23.625 --> 00:46:23.625
Saray Khumalo:
00:46:23.625 --> 00:46:24.915
It's built one
00:46:24.915 --> 00:46:25.825
choice at the time.
00:46:26.515 --> 00:46:28.285
By those who refuse
00:46:28.285 --> 00:46:29.335
to give up when
00:46:29.335 --> 00:46:30.235
life hits them
00:46:30.235 --> 00:46:31.405
the hardest from
00:46:31.405 --> 00:46:32.155
sleeping on the
00:46:32.155 --> 00:46:33.535
streets to leading
00:46:33.655 --> 00:46:34.615
in boardrooms,
00:46:35.035 --> 00:46:35.965
you've shown
00:46:36.055 --> 00:46:37.945
that it's not our
00:46:37.945 --> 00:46:39.115
circumstances that
00:46:39.115 --> 00:46:40.255
define us, but
00:46:40.255 --> 00:46:41.425
the courage to
00:46:41.425 --> 00:46:42.715
rise above them.
00:46:43.015 --> 00:46:43.555
You know, your
00:46:43.555 --> 00:46:45.325
insights on purpose,
00:46:45.385 --> 00:46:46.285
persistence,
00:46:46.405 --> 00:46:47.125
and financial
00:46:47.125 --> 00:46:48.385
wellbeing are more.
00:46:49.355 --> 00:46:50.615
Than inspirational.
00:46:51.305 --> 00:46:52.295
They are a
00:46:52.295 --> 00:46:54.245
roadmap almost for
00:46:54.245 --> 00:46:55.715
anyone rebuilding
00:46:55.715 --> 00:46:56.525
their lives.
00:46:56.885 --> 00:46:58.265
One determined step.
00:46:58.860 --> 00:46:59.730
After the other.
00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:01.110
So, Dr. Frank,
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:01.920
thank you.
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:02.730
Thank you so much
00:47:02.730 --> 00:47:03.480
for joining us
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:04.350
and for such an
00:47:04.350 --> 00:47:05.040
inspirational
00:47:05.040 --> 00:47:06.240
and insightful
00:47:06.450 --> 00:47:07.290
conversation.
00:47:07.350 --> 00:47:07.800
Frank: Oh, thank you
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:08.400
for your kind words.
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:08.820
It was great
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:09.330
to be here.
00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:10.110
Saray Khumalo: So
00:47:10.110 --> 00:47:11.190
thank you, Frank,
00:47:11.190 --> 00:47:12.300
for sharing your
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:13.590
absolute truth
00:47:13.590 --> 00:47:15.660
with us and to you,
00:47:15.750 --> 00:47:17.010
the listeners, I
00:47:17.010 --> 00:47:17.970
hope you can feel
00:47:17.970 --> 00:47:19.350
the thinning air
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:20.430
that is in here.
00:47:20.700 --> 00:47:21.840
Remember this,
00:47:21.990 --> 00:47:23.160
your greatest view
00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:24.690
isn't behind you.
00:47:25.080 --> 00:47:27.000
It lies beyond
00:47:27.210 --> 00:47:28.470
your hardest climb.
00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:29.670
The shift
00:47:29.850 --> 00:47:30.690
has happened.
00:47:30.810 --> 00:47:31.920
The question is
00:47:32.130 --> 00:47:33.240
no longer why it
00:47:33.240 --> 00:47:34.740
happened, but who
00:47:34.740 --> 00:47:35.730
you are becoming
00:47:36.060 --> 00:47:36.990
because of it.
00:47:37.590 --> 00:47:38.430
Don't wait for
00:47:38.430 --> 00:47:39.270
permission to
00:47:39.270 --> 00:47:40.740
begin your ascent.
00:47:41.070 --> 00:47:42.390
Don't let fear,
00:47:42.690 --> 00:47:43.770
silence your
00:47:43.770 --> 00:47:45.210
potential, seize
00:47:45.210 --> 00:47:46.080
the lessons
00:47:46.500 --> 00:47:47.550
on the steps.
00:47:47.730 --> 00:47:49.350
Command the future.
00:47:50.865 --> 00:47:51.645
If you would like to
00:47:51.645 --> 00:47:52.545
explore some of the
00:47:52.545 --> 00:47:53.955
lessons and tools we
00:47:53.955 --> 00:47:55.065
spoke about today,
00:47:55.125 --> 00:47:55.935
you'll find them
00:47:55.935 --> 00:47:56.985
in the show notes.
00:47:57.105 --> 00:47:57.705
If today's
00:47:57.705 --> 00:47:58.725
conversation spoke
00:47:58.725 --> 00:47:59.565
to you, share
00:47:59.565 --> 00:48:00.315
it with someone
00:48:00.315 --> 00:48:01.005
that's facing
00:48:01.005 --> 00:48:01.905
their own climb.
00:48:02.235 --> 00:48:03.165
Together we
00:48:03.165 --> 00:48:03.855
are rising.
00:48:04.065 --> 00:48:04.905
One shift at a
00:48:04.905 --> 00:48:06.825
time when shift
00:48:06.825 --> 00:48:07.925
happens is a JacPod
00:48:08.055 --> 00:48:08.475
Original podcast
00:48:08.475 --> 00:48:10.350
by Jacaranda FM.
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:12.675
Let's go higher.