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Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world.
Produced by Alice, the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle.
Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust.
We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work, one rabbit hole at a time.
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Update frequency:
biweekly
Average audio length:
50 minutes
Guest interviews
English
United States
14 episodes
since Feb. 10, 2026
episodic
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What if the biggest threat to your security team isn't the attacker, it's the model you're relying on to stop them? LIVE from Black Hat Las Vegas, Mo and Madi bring together two cybersecurity authors, Caroline Wong, Chief Strategy Officer at Axari and author of The AI Cybersecurity H…
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What if the person whose entire job is risk was the most excited one in the room about AI?
That's Mea Clift. While most CISOs are bracing for what could go wrong, she's leaning in, she calls it being "risk excited," and it flips the whole conversation. She and Mo get into saying…
Your doctor's office knows more about you than almost anyone. So what happens when AI gets its hands on all of it?
That's Sandy Dunn's whole job as a healthcare CISO, and her answer is calmer than you'd expect, because the threats aren't new, it's the speed and the bla…
Some guests have seen the field from one seat. Phil Venables has seen it from most of them: CISO at Goldman Sachs, the first CISO for Google Cloud, and now a partner at Ballistic Ventures. So when he says what's worth paying attention to in AI security, it's worth a listen. We get into wh…
Mo sits down with Dr. Janet Bastiman, Chief Data Scientist at Napier AI, to talk about why fraud is easier to catch than money laundering, how deepfakes got good enough to fool a finance team out of millions, and why the humans who oversee AI matter more than ever.
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James Villarrubia went from building AI for NASA's drone and aerospace programs to becoming CTO of a travel tech company. In this episode, he and Mo get into why curiosity might be the most important skill in the AI era, what happens to our brains when we stop pushing back on the answers we ge…
In this episode of Curiouser & Curiouser, Mo sits down with Alison Cossette, Founder and CEO of ClariTrace, to talk about why your enterprise AI is moving faster than your visibility into it and what to actually do about it. They get into control native AI, why observability and traceability ar…
Tennisha Martin has five master's degrees, a doctorate in progress, founded one of the most important communities in cybersecurity, and will be the first to tell you that none of it mattered until she stopped trying to do it alone. In this episode, Mo and Tennisha get into AI bias, why the sys…
David Wendt spent 30 years building models for Fortune 100 companies before stepping away from the keyboard entirely to focus on AI governance. He also happens to be a Dungeon Master, and it turns out those two things have more in common than you'd think.
Mo and David get into red teaming, wh…
Diana Kelley has spent four decades in security watching AI go from a Dartmouth conference to an avalanche. Now CISO at Noma Security, she joins Mo to break down why the LLM is not your guardrail, why agentic AI is exposing hygiene debt you already knew you had, and why misplaced trust in these sys…
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