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Coffee and Cocoa is a conversation between a faithful LDS mother and her daughter who has left the church — and proof that families can come back together even when they're walking different paths. If you're an LDS mom navigating a child's faith transition or deconstruction, or an adult child who wishes your mother could really hear you, this podcast was made for you. Pull up a chair. This is the conversation your family needs to have.
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Average audio length:
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English
United States
19 episodes
since June 13, 2026
episodic
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Our family is a lot bigger than just two people. This week, younger sister, Josie joins Coffee and Cocoa to tell her story for the first time start to finish.
Josie grew up as the “perfect child”: smart, pretty, a people-pleaser, and the girl everyone wanted to babysit their kids, but underneath a…
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Season two of Coffee and Cocoa is here! Kari and Kimberly are back from a long break, and they jump right into the conversation that's been all over their feeds while they were away: why so many young women are leaving the LDS Church. Reacting to a Salt Lake Tribune article on the topic, a mother w…
We are taking a season break, but wanted to share this bonus episode with Richard Ostler from the Listen, Learn, & Love Podcast.
Richard’s podcast is all about amplifying queer and other marginalized voices in the LDS community, and telling their stories. We really enjoyed our time with him, a…
For the past three months, Kimberly and Kari have been tossing ideas back and forth about the good and bad in the LDS Church. This week, Kimberly makes her case for why Kari should leave.
She covers the historical and theological reasons she finds the church untrue, the problems with prophetic aut…
For the last two episodes of the season, Kari and Kimberly are going to try to convince each other why they should switch teams. This week, Kari presents her case for why Kimberly should come back to the LDS church. She shares why she thinks it would benefit her, what she misses about having her ki…
CULT. It’s a word that gets thrown around a lot when it comes to religion, but what does it even mean? In this episode, Kimberly and Kari evaluate the LDS church, using Steven Hassan’s BITE model. They discuss how undue influence is sometimes exerted in church organization, and why it is important …
In this episode of Coffee & Cocoa, the real-life mother and daughter dynamics come out. What starts as a lighthearted discussion about EFY and church youth culture triggers feelings and frustrations, and leads to a more emotional disagreement about deeper issues and conflicting values. What are…
Maintaining family relationships can be difficult in the best of times, but when one or more family members decides to leave the faith that the family once shared, it can be especially challenging.
This episode is part two of Kimberly and Kari sharing some of the specific lessons they have learned…
If you are in the thick of trying to rebuild your family relationships after someone has gone through a faith transition, this is the episode you have been waiting for.
In this episode, Kimberly and Kari get down to the real “how to” of healing relationships. Drawing on their own ongoing experienc…
What are we actually talking about when we talk about religion? Is it possible that we are just using different words to describe experiences we all have in common?
In this episode of Coffee & Cocoa, recorded shortly after Easter, Kimberly and Kari discuss the themes of death and renewal that …
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