141: Phantom Thread (2017)

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Hey, everyone.
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Welcome to.
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What are you watching?
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I'm Alex Witt. Throw it up.
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Joined by my best man, Nick, though.
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So how are you doing there, Reynolds Woodcock?
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Who doing gun?
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I was surrounded on all sides.
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Where's your gun?
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Have you come to kill me? Your gun.
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I'm excited to be here.
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I'm very excited. For lots of reasons.
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Yes, for lots of reasons. For lots.
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I'm talking about a great movie today.
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Talking about a great one.
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And we have a first time guest.
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New friend of the pod.
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The great Mickey Hernandez is here.
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Hi, Mickey.
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Hello. Hello.
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Thanks for having me.
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Wait, am I a first time guest ever?
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No, no, no, we've had guests.
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But you.
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It's your first time bringing your new guest to our listeners.
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I'm not a special. Yeah, I was going to say. Wait a minute.
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Oh. You're special. Wait a minute.
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This is the first time we've had.
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We're getting into gender right away.
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A woman, female, okay, a female guest about a movie.
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Because I've had other women on talk about TV.
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Sorry.
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I'm trying to make it special.
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I'm trying to make it special. Hailing.
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All right. Okay.
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It's 2024, and I'm the first woman to talk about film.
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It's not.
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Hate me to set it up for you.
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It's okay, I walk, I see.
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I was happy that I was into that. Oh, no.
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Oh, Jesus.
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How do we know? Our guest, Nick?
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We know our guests.
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Because Mickey is an actor in Los Angeles.
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And, we met at a play in Farragut North in 2017.
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And if I may gush a little bit, but, I remember we were auditioning and they were just, like, filtering in, like, just matching people up.
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And so we were just going in with different people for every single scene.
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And every time that I read with you, I was like, this is like the best.
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And we didn't even know each other.
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We just met for this audition, and I think we read like twice.
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And I was like, man, if I get cast, I really hope it's her.
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And you did.
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And you are 1,000% my favorite person to act with.
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And, and that's held true for all the times that we've done it.
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And, so I love that you're here and, Yeah, that's all I going to say.
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Thank you so much, Nick.
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It's like, very, very special. Thank you.
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And it's crazy because that was actually my first play I ever auditioned.
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Yep, yep.
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I'm kind of like a late actor, late bloomer.
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And I loved that play.
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And it was so fun to work with you, because, I mean, if you're not familiar, Farragut North is just great.
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It's basically like House of cards, but in play form.
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Same writer and writer.
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Yeah. And Nick is like this very slimy, politician dude who really wants to impress everybody.
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And I am, like, the young intern.
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Yeah, he uses my sexuality for good.
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Yeah, well, that's how I interpreted it.
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Never did. Your character.
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Yeah, I did March the.
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Yes, yes, you're Ryan Gosling ish.
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You're Evan Rachel ish.
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It's like it wasn't.
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It's a very different.
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It is.
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I mean, I went and played you guys right.
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Yeah. It was very different.
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Yeah.
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The movie they, they kind of make the main character.
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Gosling plays a good guy, right?
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You were more of an the play.
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He's absolutely not a good guy whatsoever.
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So it's kind of cool. Yeah.
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You were so nice in person that I was like, wow, this is how actors this is like, you don't have to be an asshole to play this.
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And it's fun.
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You can actually find joy in it. Yeah.
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And you made it such a fun experience because it was, you know, it's community theater.
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And I was very new, but you were very professional and encouraging the whole time.
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And then we stayed friends after, which doesn't always happen with the cast.
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But no, we were just talking about this yesterday.
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How usually, like, you work on like a film set or like a play and everyone has like these grand ideas, that's like, all right, we're still going to keep in touch.
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And and they're well-intentioned.
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Like, I don't think there's any time that you don't want to actually still be in touch with these people, but you share, like, this very concentrated bond over a certain period of time where it's really takes over your whole entire life.
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So it matters in that time.
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But then when it's over, that shared commonality, it doesn't really exist anymore.
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Exactly. So it's it's no one's fault.
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It's just sort of like, oh, what are we going to talk about?
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And just sort of like catch you down the road.
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But yes, you have stayed friends and I love that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then I get introduced into this because I'm going to come out and see the play. I left L.A.
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and then I came out with seeing you in the play and you were raving about her.
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You're like, man, wait till you see her, wait till you see her.
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And then short.
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So I come, I see it.
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I mean, I had no idea you guys had met before that I missed that, and I had no idea that was your first play, Mickey? None.
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So that's cool, I didn't know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like that.
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You met you after, you know. Hi. Hi.
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This, that and then not.
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It was just a few months later when I wrote I'm Alive and we, you know, you were playing me, Nick.
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And then I needed someone to play my then girlfriend, now wife alley.
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And you recommended Mickey right away, and you were like, oh, she might be busy because she like books a lot, right?
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Here we go.
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So I just offer it to you.
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You didn't even have to audition, and you came and crushed it.
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And in what I tell Nick all the time.
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And I hope I told you this, I hope I relayed this to you.
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You are the the actor.
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When I was editing, like, when we were there on the day, there's just so much going on and I'm filming and his emotion has to be there.
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And there's this sound guy and it's this, there's a lot going on.
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And then in editing, I was like, Holy shit, she's constantly making choices in your face, like constantly.
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So I so the final sequence in the movie, I edited it to you and the strength of your character in your acting.
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And it it just worked.
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It worked so well.
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And I love I'm so in love with your performance in that movie.
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So yeah. And then we stayed cool, which is great.
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Thank you. So much.
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Oh, you guys are both hyping me up. Yes.
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But I will say like, I don't know, as an actor I watch a lot of interviews, you know, of actors talking about directors and who they work with and to me, like the dream scenario has always been to have real conversations with the director and really, like, hash out the character together and like, explore and feel free.
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And Alex, you definitely provided that type of like scenario and it was such a dream to work on it, especially playing someone who is like, you know, your wife, right?
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Right. Sure.
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Yeah.
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And I got very, very like protective over that and really making sure that I did service to the character and to your story because it was so personal.
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But I also felt total freedom as an artist to like, explore and dive deep and play it.
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So yeah, it was incredible.
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I see all that when I, when I rewatch it to like, I see, yeah, I see all that stuff.
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Oh, it's just great.
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And the three of us are.
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This is not done.
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We are not done collaborating.
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I'm making that right now.
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Declaring that declaring to Cliff, speaking it into existence.
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Declarative statement.
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Yes, yes.
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Really quick, I just want to frame one more story from that which I loved was I remember like when we got to the set to shoot that day, they were you and the sound guy were figuring stuff out.
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We were basically like rehearsing because he was gonna have to be behind me the whole time. Yeah.
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So we were doing like, a dance walk through. Yeah.
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And so I was like, do you want to, like, read through this at all?
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Because we hadn't, like, you and I had not talked.
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We had not really met about that.
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So yeah, we hadn't we hadn't done anything like basically the thing like we went out to dinner like the night before and, but we didn't really talk about the movie at all.
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So I was like, do you want to like, talk about anything?
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And you were just sort of like, no.
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And I go, yeah, me neither.
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And then we, we literally, like, sat down on the couch to start the scene.
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And I think we did a run through.
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Yeah. You're doing a run through and we got like, I don't know however many lines in.
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And you were just sort of like, okay, we're doing right now.
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You stop and save it.
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And yeah, yeah, it was perfect.
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We just didn't we didn't need to do anything. We.
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Yeah.
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You just there about four takes.
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It was great.
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It was amazing.
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And actually the movie we're talking about today, Phantom Thread, is connected to I'm alive to me a little bit, because when the first scene we shot, when Mickey flew and then we picked her up at the airport, and then it was chapter four where you're talking with, you know, doing the speech and, home at the hospital bed and on the way there, Mickey was like, I just saw Phantom Thread for the first time, and we were talking about it. The.
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Are you serious?
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I swear, not in the first thing you asked me about.
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You were like, how the hell did they do those car shots?
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And I was like, I thought how the rig system would have worked.
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And because, you know, the camera's like stabilized but still shaking.
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So yeah, we were literally talking about it on the way.
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Okay, this now I'm remembering that you're saying, yeah, well, so I when we were like, how do we pick a movie for this?
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Yeah. We were like, let's.
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And what I told Nick, as I said, I know for sure one movie she likes is Phantom Thread.
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Oh my God.
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And I do know this would be in your top.
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Like, so we'll get it.
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Yeah. We were like, send us a few options.
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So you sent us a few and then locked on Phantom Thread and here we are.
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Wow. God, I love this. It's the right.
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I just got chills.
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That's crazy.
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I didn't even realize that connection.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Such a good movie, right?
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To talk about it.
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Ish sort deeper up a little more.
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I'm ready. We got ready. I think you got.
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What was the first time everyone saw this?
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You will actually wait a minute.
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This asshole.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah. So you saw this one first? Yeah.
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And he's blowing me up like you're not going to believe you're going to fucking love this.
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Oh, my God, you're going to love it.
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And then I did see it.
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And we'll get into it like the what this movie means to me personally.
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But yeah, it was in the theater.
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I thought 2017 was like an okay movie year.
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And when that final title card credit came up, it's put my hand on my heart and I was like, oh my God, I love this film.
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So I loved it the first time I saw it.
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Like, loved it right away. You two.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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First time I saw it was, you went to some special screening.
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It was like a month before it actually came out, and, and it was like.
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I think it was at the Arrow Theater in Santa Monica.
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And, yeah, it was just beautiful.
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And it resonated with me in a very specific way, because I was in a relationship at that time.
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And it was tumultuous, and I was sort of like, oh man, this movie is like hitting on a lot of different, like, like threads right now.
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Literally.
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You like that?
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I do, nailed that one.
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Yeah, that's what I'm here for.
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And, and then but what's cool is like, over time, I've seen this movie three times now, and I still have that relationship to it, but it's also like evolved with time two.
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And, that's where I think it's such a testament to this movie.
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It's like it can mean a lot of different things. Definitely.
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Yeah.
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And it's funny because I actually couldn't remember when I first saw it, but it must have been when it just came out.
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You're like, yeah, so and and even when you asked me to, you know, jot down some of my favorite movies, I've always had this on my list and sometimes I'm like, is it just because it's like PTA or like, why is it?
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And then I watched it again a couple days ago, probably haven't seen it in like a couple of years.
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And immediately I was like, yes, like, I love this movie because I don't know, it just to your point, like, it changes over time in terms of how many relationships you've been through or like the different dynamics that you've experienced.
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And just like growing up, I feel like I get this movie like a different version every time.
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And totally.
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Yeah.
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So I, I think I'm always fascinated in like, dramas specifically about like relation, like romantic relationships and the dynamics between like men and women in those.
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So I yeah, I can't remember why I initially liked it, but I mean, we'll get into like why I like it now.
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So. Yeah.
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Right. Right.
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Yeah. All that's those are all the reasons I like the two and.
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All right.
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So before we get to the movie PTA, are you a fan?
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Oh, fan. Yeah, yeah I am.
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I feel like earlier things versus recent.
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Yeah.
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Like Boogie Nights are one of my favorites. It's just.
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And it's funny cause I didn't see it when it first came out.
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I kind of came to it later, and I always knew that, like, guys like that, yeah, I watch, I was like, okay, this is why, like, I get it.
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Yeah.
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And then there Will Be Blood.
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I saw that movie by myself.
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I think I was like, when did that come out?
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I must be in high school or something.
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Yeah, I was in high school.
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Went by myself like one of the first times I had ever done that.
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Oh, and remember sitting there and being like, how in the world can I be in movies like this?
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Like it was so slow and so intense, but so layered and complicated that I like, I don't know, I was just like, intrigued on, like a filmmaking level.
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So yeah, became a fan, the master like, I can't that one just like, fucked me up.
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I grew up religious.
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I was just like, nah, but, but yeah, this one I think is my favorite.
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This is my favorite PTA.
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Really? Really. Oh, yeah, I love that. Nice.
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I want to do that now.
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I want to hear I mean, we've done a PTA pod. We did it.
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There will be blood commentary, which was a lot of fun.
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This man, it's like the one I think I've seen the most is probably Boogie Nights.
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I just had that on repeat, like a lot.
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Taught me a lot about filmmaking.
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I think the best movie he's made is there Will Be Blood, like the objective filmmaking best.
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Yeah, and I think this is my favorite.
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I think Phantom Thread is really favorite.
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It means so much to me, so much.
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It's tough though.
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I like all of its movies.
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Yeah, The master is wild.
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Yeah, well, it's interesting because I, I think you with there Will Be Blood like of what we're all saying is like that movie is so such a good movie in terms of how it's made.
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Right.
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Like cinema.
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Yes, exactly.
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But there's not a lot to really relate to.
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Like when you watch them, they're Phantom Thread like you can actually take this movie and actually apply it to your own experiences.
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I don't know how many revenge stories, but you know what they did almost.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But, they're all gone and and that does kind of like always bring up an interesting question when you're watching a movie is like, is this the type of movie that I can sit back and just take in its story and not bring myself to it?
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Or is this one where I'm like, oh no, I'm bringing myself to it, and I like that.
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Yeah, yeah, very, very.
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I don't even know how you kind of if you're a filmmaker, you go about knowing that this is what you're doing because you it's like a book to like sometimes you're being told a story, but then sometimes you are the story.
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Yeah.
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This was developed because he got really sick and his wife Maya Rudolph was taking care of him.
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And he said he hadn't seen that.
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The look of love and concern in her face in years and she just really like cared for him.
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And then of course PTA puts this in his head and makes it about like, you know, poisoning each other.
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But, you know, he gets 35 million.
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That's a second highest budget ever.
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His biggest budget was Magnolia at 37 million.
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He still aren't like crazy big numbers.
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I don't know how much his most recent one is.
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So he gets this idea and he and Daniel Day-Lewis are friendly from there Will Be Blood, and he's like, do you want to do this?
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And what PTA still says is that he and DDL wrote the screenplay together.
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Wow. DDL refused credit.
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He really didn't want it. Yeah, yeah.
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So they I don't know who's actually doing the typing or the writing, but it was a lot of it was Daniel Day-Lewis.
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The name Reynolds Woodcock was Daniel Day-Lewis.
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His idea?
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I was like, that's such a PTA.
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I don't want it to PTA with dad.
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He's like, what about Reynolds Woodcock? That's.
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Yeah, sure, let's do it.
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And when we were talking earlier about how this movie changes, so I, I've seen this three times this week.
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So I watch it.
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I've seen it quite a few times.
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I was watching it on the plane out here, even though I did two days ago.
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So I rewatched it yesterday and I was watching a few things on the plane related to some parts.
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Were recording this weekend.
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This one I was like dying laughing because I think it is there, so it's hilarious.
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It's so fucking funny.
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I think it's the funniest.
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It's not really known. It's like comedy.
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He can always do kind of funny stuff where I mean even looks he gives in gangs of New York are like, what on earth are you talking about?
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Like, that's funny.
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Thank you, thank you.
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Oh, but I yeah, I think he's hilarious in this.
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And that's one of the things I keep getting drawn back to over and over.
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So, that's what I remembered when I rewatched it recently, because I think the last time I saw it was a few years ago, and I was in a relationship, and I was like, showing it to my boyfriend at the time was like, oh yeah.
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And then this time, though, it was so funny because I was like, laughing out loud and like rewinding, being like, wait, did he really just say that?
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Yeah, and it's just, I think it's so funny.
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And I will say this too, because I don't know, like being a woman watching this movie, you could interpret as like, I like, he's such a narcissist and such an asshole.
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But to me, I think one of the lines that she says at one point she's like, oh, he's a baby. Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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That's why it's so funny to me, because it's just showing, like how frail the male ego can be.
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And I think that can be very funny. I want to hear that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
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You were.
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And I was going to say, I think with all of Daniel Day-Lewis, his role as like he always finds the humor. Yeah.
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No matter what.
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Like even there Will be blood. Like he's not a funny guy at all.
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But there are some things that you can tell.
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Like he finds funny. Oh, sure.
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And it was one goddamn hell of a show.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. You're right. Actor.
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It's just it's what makes your character, like, three dimensional is when you find that humor to it.
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But, Yeah, this.
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But it's also PTA.
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Oh, yeah.
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Kate's humor is uma wicked.
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A very acquired taste that I don't think you really even know that it's actually him trying to be funny, but he does it in all of his movies.
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There's things that are just sort of like, that's not funny, but I know you as a director think that's hilarious.
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It's so sharp.
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It's. Yeah, it's like very piercing humor.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So well-written.
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And you can feel like Daniel Day-Lewis kind of.
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Maybe they're like extending the scene a little longer than it was.
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Just the back and forth of you have no taste.
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Maybe, I don't know, you haven't enough.
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Like, you know, it just keeps, like, going back in there, like, try to one up each other.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, I totally I can't wait to get into this fragile male ego thing.
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He is an absolute baby.
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Like when he doesn't show they have to go to the country.
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The first time she goes, she drives him.
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He's like, yeah, that's one of my favorite scenes.
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Is him in that bed with the the windows on behind him in it, but the light is all blue and she brings him in tea and then she gets in the bed with him.
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She's like, he's so sweet, you know, he's just a baby in this time.
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And then the.
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Yeah, the doctor that she's talking to, the whole movie, he's like, how long do these episodes last?
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Episodes. It's kind of an interesting word.
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Like, is there something else kind of going on here?
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And she, she just knows how to regulate it.
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Like if, if she, you know, if he hasn't made a dresser, he's in the middle of making a dress.
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What she realizes is that I know how to bring this fucker down a peg. And.
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Yeah, if that's what I have to do to balance him out.
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And then by the end, she's literally doing it in front of him.
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And like, you need to calm down, you need to relax.
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And you just takes his time swallowing that omelet.
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I love it, I love all of this.
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I love this dynamic so much. Yeah.
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So it's such like a clear, I don't know, something that my acting teacher, Annabelle shout out, she's the best.
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She always says whenever we're working on a scene that's like, you know, male, female, heterosexual relationship.
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And often I'm sure you could apply this, like homosexual relationships as well.
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Is that the dynamic at the end of the day as, like, parent child, like, okay, it's like, okay, gross. Is that man. No. You're.
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Yeah. No.
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You're tapping into my theory of.
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Yep. Yeah. It's so true.
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It's like every time that we enter into a relationship with someone, it's like natural that someone's going to take on the parent role.
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Someone's going to take on the child.
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It can flip.
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It can change. Yeah.
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But with this movie, it's so clear from the beginning how he's like saying that he's like been seeing his mom or missing his mom or and like, she comes in.
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So yeah, it's like he's having these tantrums or episodes.
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Well, and she knows how to coddle him, how to get him back to even.
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And it's just that's what I think is so funny about it is like it's such a clear depiction of how I think a lot of men often, like, need someone who's kind of like their mom.
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Yeah, sure. Yeah.
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I think that's just, like, so natural.
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It just happens.
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No, Mickey. Like you're married one.
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So they're, you know, this far from it.
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This is fucking wild.
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What this movie is about to me.
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I cannot view it in any other lens, because the first time I saw this movie was four months after my mom died very suddenly, and I saw it.
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And even in the moment, the first time I was watching it, it didn't.
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It wasn't really resonating.
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I went back like two days later.
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But the whole time he's talking about how he misses my mom.
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Yeah.
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Really strong, you know, feelings on my mom.
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And I love a ghost.
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I don't find that spooky at all.
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I like.
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Yeah, yeah, it's funny. Yeah.
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I don't find that frightening.
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Is something I would think he'd say, but I don't find it spooky at all.
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So I think this movie's about this guy who's lived this whole.
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He misses his mother terribly. Yeah.
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So terribly, and has never gotten in touch with that and is so obsessed with this work, which he's very good at.
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And the only seemingly strong female presence is his lot in his life is his sister, Lesley Manville Sierra.
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It's like she's amazing.
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Fucking amazing.
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I love her in this movie so much.
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And then, yeah, we get even from that first breakfast with that first woman.
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This is a cycle.
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He is oh, these women for a temporary muse.
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Inspiration throws it.
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You know, she's you can't wait for her to fall out of love with you.
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So let's I'll give her the dress and we'll move on. Good idea.
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I love cereal, just always knows. Yeah, I talked to him.
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And one that I didn't even plays into even though their sister.
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But that is his woman that's taking care of it.
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It seems like a mother like figure. Yes, yes.
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There's also knowing, like, you know, take your breakfast, maybe a different time.
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Oh, yeah. Important time for him.
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Yeah, yeah.
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There's even like that one line where they're at the restaurant and yes, when he's talking about his mom and she's like, maybe it's time for you to go to the country.
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Oh, he's like, what if you go to the country tonight?
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And he just looks at her and he's like, good idea.
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Yeah. Like, I like that idea very much.
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It washes over him in a way.
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It's like such great relief.
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Like someone needed to tell him.
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Yeah, he may have been thinking about it, but he was sort of like, oh no, that's that's the right thing.
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It's comforting.
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I think the data washing over the living, I don't find that spooky at all.
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Why don't you go to the country tonight?
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Buffalo tomorrow.
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Good idea.
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I like that idea very much.
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I also.
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And then when she rolls up to the country, she's not even surprised that there's a new woman there.
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Yes. Like, who is this?
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You know, smelling up the house with this lovely scent with her is like, here we go again. Yes, I will take measurements.
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Sure.
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Like it's just the process repeating over. And.
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Yeah, alma is a woman who's not into that process at all.
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And she's like, I am a human being.
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I get pay attention, I matter.
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Yeah, we're Lesley Manville.
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We'll talk about her real quick.
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I had a relationship with her because she's in a lot of Mike Lee movies.
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Another year. She's amazing.
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And she does not always play this, like, rigid.
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I mean, another year. She's fucked up.
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She's like a friend who keeps coming by year after year to this married couples house.
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Jim Broadbent and someone else who I can't remember.
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And she's like the fucked up friend who never has her life together.
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So she's like, really flipping out that whole movie.
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It's very interesting.
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Her Cyril is not perform like a performance I've seen from her before, but still there's this stoicism and she knows how to push his buttons.
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And when she has to, there's a, there's a lot of breakfast in this movie, which I love.
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Yeah, but the one breakfast, we're almost got it.
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She's being very gentle, eating her toast very gently pouring.
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We just hold on Lesley Manville for like 12 seconds and she's thinking something, sipping her coffee, thinking.
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And it's kind of like, I have to say this at some point, everything here is going nice.
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But Barbara Rose is going to ask you to your wedding.
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What do I do with that?
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And it's, you know, you can see that she's like, I have to push his buttons now because someone has to. And I love that.
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I love all the dynamics in this movie.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think her character is so interesting because you don't often see, I don't know, it kind of goes in line with like these artist types or these like powerful men who kind of like, they need that woman. Yes.
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Keep the machine going so they can like, you know, be the artist.
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And so I think it's interesting that she's the sister and also the mother, but the one thing she can't give him is like passion and like romance, but she can fulfill every other role that he needs her to be.
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And so for her to have like, this selfless nature.
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But she also I think that's like how she keeps going is like by needing him to need her. Yeah.
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So I think it's interesting that she like, lets these other women kind of come in, but when it gets too intimate, she's like, okay, time to go.
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Yeah. Your time is up.
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Yeah. I'm still number one in his life.
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Like, move on.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And that actually plays later on because there's absolutely that competition between him and her, especially when he gets sick for the first time.
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She closes the door on her. Yeah.
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Oh and and serial is great because you can see it affects her, but she's not going to lose her grace or her poise.
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Like she's not going to show that she's being defeated in that way.
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Because as the movie goes on, like alma takes over that role, which always kind of like makes me like, think there's like a whole other movie that what serial does, right?
00:26:08.275 --> 00:26:10.026
Like what it was. See what, she doesn't have free time.
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Yeah, exactly. Like, what is she.
00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:13.279
Yeah, that's a great character.
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.240
And and that's what you want.
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:20.202
Like, you want to kind of have this idea of like, what does she do when she goes home, right? Yeah.
00:26:20.202 --> 00:26:27.294
Like one of the things, one of my favorite moments or lines from the movie because she when you look at her, there's not much change.
00:26:27.294 --> 00:26:31.631
And at one point she just talking to Reynolds and she's like, so what are you going to do about alma?
00:26:31.631 --> 00:26:34.174
I've grown quite fond of her. And I'm like, you have?
00:26:34.174 --> 00:26:35.093
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:35.093 --> 00:26:36.595
Like, oh, okay. Okay.
00:26:36.595 --> 00:26:37.846
Yeah, I like that.
00:26:37.846 --> 00:26:44.519
Or when, you know, he's venting to her like there's a quiet air of death at this house and she's just like, oh, I did.
00:26:44.810 --> 00:26:46.313
I'm gonna come sit right behind him.
00:26:46.313 --> 00:26:48.565
It's just sitting there staring at him.
00:26:48.565 --> 00:26:51.483
Oh, what a beacon of politeness you two are. Oh, I just love it.
00:26:51.483 --> 00:26:53.778
Well, and I think she likes the alma, like, pushes back.
00:26:53.778 --> 00:26:56.530
Exactly like she's not used to it at first.
00:26:56.530 --> 00:26:57.240
And she's like, yeah.
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.326
Oh, I think she kind of respects.
00:26:59.326 --> 00:27:01.827
Yeah. It's like, oh, this can't exist.
00:27:01.827 --> 00:27:06.458
Like, we don't have to be so fragile, you know, like maintain him.
00:27:06.583 --> 00:27:10.670
So I think she probably takes joy in that because she can't do that herself.
00:27:10.711 --> 00:27:10.878
Yeah.
00:27:10.878 --> 00:27:13.839
She's like always taken on the caretaker role.
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:19.179
So now it's like, oh, here's a strong woman who, like, she can kind of say the things that I'm not going to say. Yeah.
00:27:19.179 --> 00:27:21.347
You know, so it's like it could be an ally.
00:27:21.347 --> 00:27:23.807
But ultimately her loyalty is with him.
00:27:23.807 --> 00:27:27.936
Yeah. But I think for a second she might be like, could there be a different way?
00:27:27.936 --> 00:27:28.395
Right? Yeah.
00:27:28.395 --> 00:27:28.938
Right. Yeah.
00:27:28.938 --> 00:27:31.482
I think that all plays absolutely.
00:27:31.482 --> 00:27:33.609
Vicky creeps. Crypts. Creeps.
00:27:33.609 --> 00:27:35.528
Yeah. I never seen her before.
00:27:33.609 --> 00:27:35.528
I think it's creeps.
00:27:35.528 --> 00:27:39.449
I don't know, right right right right right right I like cripes creeps.
00:27:39.449 --> 00:27:41.660
It doesn't. It's not spelled.
00:27:39.449 --> 00:27:41.660
Is she French?
00:27:41.660 --> 00:27:43.744
She's from Norway. She's Norwegian.
00:27:43.744 --> 00:27:44.663
Oh yeah. Okay.
00:27:44.663 --> 00:27:46.955
I had to look that up because I didn't know.
00:27:46.955 --> 00:27:52.170
It's so weird how at the end, that woman's like, I don't want to be racist, but today, like, turned into.
00:27:52.170 --> 00:27:55.298
Do they start stealing things after being Jewish?
00:27:55.298 --> 00:27:56.508
Like, that's what I kind of took it.
00:27:56.508 --> 00:28:02.180
I didn't know what I don't mean to be racist means I because I'm like, you're you're British.
00:28:02.180 --> 00:28:04.182
She's Norwegian. Like, what is this?
00:28:04.182 --> 00:28:05.474
There's like a divide.
00:28:05.474 --> 00:28:18.613
It's only really brought in and that one scene, but I yeah, I don't know if I'm Jewish thing or if she's Jewish because there's another point in the movie I can't remember right now, but it's like brought up about some type of war or something.
00:28:19.029 --> 00:28:21.407
And Barbara's getting remarried to that Dominican.
00:28:21.407 --> 00:28:24.411
And the reporter goes, did you sell visas to the Jews? Yes.
00:28:24.993 --> 00:28:25.744
Yeah, exactly.
00:28:25.744 --> 00:28:27.830
So I'm guessing and like, they kind of show all this.
00:28:27.830 --> 00:28:30.458
I'm guessing that she, like, might have Jewish hair.
00:28:30.458 --> 00:28:32.585
Maybe. I never thought maybe that.
00:28:32.585 --> 00:28:35.255
But yeah, I was also I was that was the part where I went back on.
00:28:35.255 --> 00:28:36.673
I was like, did she say racist? Yeah.
00:28:36.673 --> 00:28:39.259
You're like, yeah, I don't understand.
00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:41.635
But yeah, I think she might be Jewish then, I don't know.
00:28:41.635 --> 00:29:00.238
I took that as because I've heard white people say that about not knowing what even if like another white person or like whatever they're like, but they're like, you know, like like Italians, like how white people will look at will certain white people can look at Italians and be racist against them. So.
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.406
Well, yeah, it's just like with the poles too.
00:29:02.406 --> 00:29:02.865
But yeah.
00:29:02.865 --> 00:29:04.576
And it happens like everywhere.
00:29:04.576 --> 00:29:06.201
So I kind of leave that line.
00:29:06.201 --> 00:29:11.290
It's like, well, whatever she is, she's not what this woman is.
00:29:11.458 --> 00:29:19.507
And so therefore I don't mean to be racist, but it is just like a rich white person thing.
00:29:19.507 --> 00:29:21.009
Yeah, she can tell that.
00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:24.471
She's like not an actual elite like she was brought in. Yes.
00:29:24.471 --> 00:29:27.222
Elite would probably be the best way to.
00:29:24.471 --> 00:29:27.222
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:27.222 --> 00:29:28.182
But that part was. Yeah.
00:29:28.182 --> 00:29:30.268
I remember being like, wait, what is happening? Right?
00:29:30.268 --> 00:29:33.145
Yeah, I know, it seems so over.
00:29:33.145 --> 00:29:34.855
It is like, okay. Yeah. Okay.
00:29:35.981 --> 00:29:36.148
Yeah.
00:29:36.148 --> 00:29:38.651
Before we get in the movie, do you know who shot this film?
00:29:38.651 --> 00:29:42.696
Oh, of course, Tography by Paul Thomas Anderson didn't take credit for it.
00:29:43.030 --> 00:29:46.992
And Michael Bauman was like, they called him a lighting cameraman.
00:29:46.992 --> 00:29:50.038
And, you know, that's a thing to talk about with this.
00:29:50.038 --> 00:29:51.580
Do you think the movie looks good?
00:29:51.580 --> 00:29:54.625
Because I think it looks beautiful, like amazing.
00:29:54.625 --> 00:29:56.251
They really muddled things up.
00:29:56.251 --> 00:29:58.587
A lot of smoke, a lot of just things like that.
00:29:58.587 --> 00:30:01.633
And it is one of my favorite looking movies that he's done of any movie.
00:30:01.633 --> 00:30:03.218
I love the way it looks.
00:30:03.218 --> 00:30:11.308
You're in that damn house for most of the film and it never feels like you're trapped, never get claustrophobic unless you unless it feels like a yes.
00:30:11.308 --> 00:30:13.102
Unless he wants you to. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah.
00:30:13.102 --> 00:30:18.398
Because it's a small, narrow, like you go down those hallways and you're like, I don't think it was fun.
00:30:18.398 --> 00:30:26.324
I've, listen to Q&A, it's DDL, it's like, My God, we were in this damn house, so not stepping on each other.
00:30:26.449 --> 00:30:28.535
So I think it was probably pretty tough.
00:30:28.535 --> 00:30:30.953
Yeah. Yeah, I love it.
00:30:28.535 --> 00:30:30.953
What a house though. Yeah.
00:30:30.953 --> 00:30:31.578
You like houses?
00:30:31.578 --> 00:30:32.372
What kind of houses?
00:30:32.372 --> 00:30:35.625
Yeah. Well, it's an English two door.
00:30:37.085 --> 00:30:38.461
I actually don't know.
00:30:38.461 --> 00:30:39.878
Oh, but it was stunning.
00:30:39.878 --> 00:30:44.174
And I, I love the contrast between the London house and the country house. Yes.
00:30:44.174 --> 00:30:50.722
Because it's like the starkness of the London house and how it's like, I don't know. Yeah. The staircase shot.
00:30:50.722 --> 00:31:03.528
I like just you feel so claustrophobic in there and there's so many women all the time, and you feel kind of like the confines that he has on his life of, like, how controlled everything has to be versus the country house.
00:31:03.528 --> 00:31:07.865
Like is the more warmer tones and like, you know, the fire, the woods and all of that.
00:31:07.865 --> 00:31:11.368
And it has like a more, I guess, like natural state.
00:31:11.368 --> 00:31:17.875
And that's where I don't know why in my memory, I always thought he was only sick at the country house, like, oh, interesting.
00:31:17.875 --> 00:31:19.544
Right about the first sickness.
00:31:19.544 --> 00:31:21.045
Yeah, yeah, kind of weird.
00:31:21.045 --> 00:31:23.714
I was like, oh, she's done this before. Yeah.
00:31:23.714 --> 00:31:25.508
So I think it's funny how.
00:31:25.508 --> 00:31:33.098
Yeah, like his room when he's sick, it kind of brings back like this more, I don't know, like earthy.
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:35.768
Not as pristine for sure.
00:31:35.768 --> 00:31:37.519
Not as clinical.
00:31:38.520 --> 00:31:42.482
Versus like the white starkness of the fashion.
00:31:43.317 --> 00:31:46.403
One thing I really love about his performance is he.
00:31:46.403 --> 00:31:52.701
Reynolds is a fussy guy, but he's also a little, I don't know, to explain it, like heavy handed.
00:31:52.701 --> 00:31:54.913
So with the props, he's not really careful with them.
00:31:54.913 --> 00:32:04.380
He'll like, throw things like his tape measure when he's measuring or he'll just throw or when he's angry and he stuffs that like, croissant or that giant patron's mouth and throws it on the plate and walks away.
00:32:04.505 --> 00:32:05.839
He's not like this.
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.258
Very gentle with this.
00:32:07.258 --> 00:32:09.093
I like that a lot. In the country house.
00:32:09.093 --> 00:32:11.887
You really feel that?
00:32:09.093 --> 00:32:11.887
More like rustic vibes. Got dogs.
00:32:11.887 --> 00:32:14.390
I would never expect dogs.
00:32:11.887 --> 00:32:14.390
And he, like, loves his dogs.
00:32:14.390 --> 00:32:15.516
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:15.516 --> 00:32:21.021
No, I think that's a funny distinction to how he has permission to be like harsh.
00:32:21.021 --> 00:32:21.314
Yeah.
00:32:21.314 --> 00:32:24.275
To be all of these things and everyone around him can.
00:32:24.275 --> 00:32:24.983
Right? Yeah.
00:32:24.983 --> 00:32:28.695
When he sits down at Alma's restaurant, he pulls his chair out.
00:32:28.695 --> 00:32:35.619
He it's like, it drags across the floor and then kind of like, throws as if someone did that with him. To your point, he'd be furious.
00:32:35.619 --> 00:32:36.954
Oh, yeah, get up and leave.
00:32:36.954 --> 00:32:39.457
There's too many distractions of like this.
00:32:39.457 --> 00:32:41.834
Yeah. The breakfast scenes of, like, being too loud.
00:32:41.834 --> 00:32:44.002
That's when I laugh the most. Oh, my subtle.
00:32:45.672 --> 00:32:46.297
Oh yeah.
00:32:46.297 --> 00:32:50.009
But we're going to talk about oh I grew up in this dynamic.
00:32:50.218 --> 00:32:53.887
You had to be quiet at like, well, not quiet, but but I don't want to.
00:32:53.887 --> 00:33:03.897
I can't mention names because I don't, I don't mind, but but but I am very familiar with an artist whose day is consumed by.
00:33:03.897 --> 00:33:06.567
This is my day. This is what I need.
00:33:06.567 --> 00:33:09.862
And so when he's sort of like, I simply have no time for confrontation.
00:33:10.696 --> 00:33:18.997
Like so it wasn't necessarily like you had to be so quiet, but it was this situation of like, I don't know what could throw him off.
00:33:19.247 --> 00:33:22.333
It could just be me saying hello at the wrong time.
00:33:22.333 --> 00:33:23.792
Good morning.
00:33:23.792 --> 00:33:26.837
His day is now complete shattered.
00:33:27.587 --> 00:33:28.923
And and this.
00:33:28.923 --> 00:33:32.426
And so like I was always very in touch with this because I got it.
00:33:32.426 --> 00:33:35.137
But I also look at it from a very funny point of view too.
00:33:35.137 --> 00:33:50.819
But what you were saying earlier about like the male ego, like I think if you factor in just the general broad male ego, but then you put that into an artist, you get Reynolds Woodcock. Oh yeah.
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:56.325
And that is the very similar person in my life that I know this very much too.
00:33:56.325 --> 00:33:59.871
I'm like, they're almost the exact same person in some ways.
00:34:00.371 --> 00:34:02.707
It is really funny. When the party's over, I'll tell you who it is.
00:34:02.707 --> 00:34:04.208
Okay? Okay.
00:34:04.208 --> 00:34:07.211
But, But yes. So.
00:34:07.252 --> 00:34:09.672
So I get it.
00:34:09.672 --> 00:34:16.471
And then I'm thinking the entire time I'm like, as I'm watching it, there's times I agree with him, and then there's times that I don't.
00:34:16.512 --> 00:34:17.054
Sure.
00:34:17.054 --> 00:34:27.815
And and there's and there's times in the relationship aspects where I'm like, torn between because I was furious with alma when she wanted to make him dinner.
00:34:27.940 --> 00:34:30.777
Oh, really real this time. Happy though.
00:34:30.777 --> 00:34:32.652
She. That's her way of showing love.
00:34:32.652 --> 00:34:38.492
Yeah, but I completely was like, when he walks into that house and it's not the way that he was.
00:34:39.034 --> 00:34:41.788
Yeah. What time did she leave?
00:34:41.788 --> 00:34:45.333
I, I immediately I go I'd be so pissed right now.
00:34:45.333 --> 00:34:48.335
I be just like him and I'd be like, oh my God, what an amazing.
00:34:48.335 --> 00:34:51.922
And the fact that she's butter and not oh, that's you.
00:34:51.922 --> 00:34:52.465
Very well.
00:34:52.465 --> 00:34:59.554
No, I prefer my spaghetti with butter and oil and salt and I'm like, yes, like you like, you know this.
00:34:59.597 --> 00:35:01.139
Like, why are you trying to change things?
00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:11.275
But then when she like in it's a beautiful scene because when that happens and she's like, I'm waiting for you to like, be waiting for what? Yeah.
00:35:08.981 --> 00:35:11.275
Waiting for what? Yeah.
00:35:11.275 --> 00:35:15.530
And then when she says that, that disarmed me, I'm like, oh, I'm waiting for you to tell me to leave.
00:35:15.530 --> 00:35:17.949
I think he's saying, I'm waiting for you to marry me.
00:35:17.949 --> 00:35:18.824
Like, for what?
00:35:18.824 --> 00:35:19.407
What are you waiting for?
00:35:19.407 --> 00:35:22.744
And then when she says and he's like, oh, I don't even think he's aware of it.
00:35:22.744 --> 00:35:23.788
Okay, okay. Yeah.
00:35:23.788 --> 00:35:27.125
I think he's still like, why are you ruining my day?
00:35:27.125 --> 00:35:27.875
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:27.875 --> 00:35:32.880
And I don't even think the idea of, like, when she says that it hit me.
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.632
I'm like, fuck yeah. Oh, she's she, this is what she's doing.
00:35:35.632 --> 00:35:38.135
She's just trying to do this thing.
00:35:38.135 --> 00:35:39.052
He doesn't see it.
00:35:39.052 --> 00:35:42.264
I don't think that's what's cool is like, the sudden move is all interpretation.
00:35:42.306 --> 00:35:45.059
Yeah, yeah. But, but then I completely sided with her.
00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:48.061
Like, right after that, I was like, all right, let's see.
00:35:48.186 --> 00:35:48.771
Let's see what's.
00:35:48.771 --> 00:35:52.483
Well, I think the thing with them that's so interesting is like he pursued her.
00:35:52.483 --> 00:35:52.817
You know what?
00:35:52.817 --> 00:35:54.985
I you didn't ask for this. Like.
00:35:54.985 --> 00:35:57.612
Oh, like she was swept up.
00:35:57.612 --> 00:36:07.956
And I think that this is something that I don't know tends to happen or I see in like, relationships sometimes it's like this fascination that a man might have with a woman.
00:36:07.956 --> 00:36:16.465
And it also reminds me of like one of my I don't want to say it's like one of my favorite plays, but it's one of the most formative plays I've read is like Ibsen's The Dollhouse.
00:36:16.465 --> 00:36:18.885
Oh, sure. Shot like so much here with that.
00:36:18.885 --> 00:36:24.472
Yeah, it made so much sense to me in terms of like, oh, like, that's how like a lot of men view women.
00:36:24.472 --> 00:36:30.021
It's like they're fascinated by a woman versus like, really knowing her, wanting to know her.
00:36:30.103 --> 00:36:34.567
The second that she shows she's a human, that she has her own opinions, that she can speak up.
00:36:34.567 --> 00:36:37.402
They're like, whoa, whoa, you're ruining the fantasy.
00:36:37.402 --> 00:36:37.652
Yeah.
00:36:37.652 --> 00:36:45.286
You know, and so I think for her, I that's why I like side with her the whole time, even though she's, you know, a little batshit.
00:36:45.286 --> 00:36:47.246
But yes, I do. Yeah.
00:36:47.246 --> 00:36:49.789
She poisons them as well. This you know what I mean? Yeah.
00:36:49.789 --> 00:36:51.333
It's like he shot her out.
00:36:51.333 --> 00:36:53.793
He brought her into his world.
00:36:53.793 --> 00:36:57.465
And so I think that's why she says, like, I'm waiting for you to discard me.
00:36:57.465 --> 00:36:58.715
Like I didn't ask to be here.
00:36:58.715 --> 00:36:59.342
Yeah, right.
00:36:59.342 --> 00:37:00.300
Oh, I don't know.
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:07.641
I yeah I love that she brings that up in terms of I'm here for you and it doesn't seem like you want me anymore.
00:37:07.641 --> 00:37:09.559
So like, tell me to leave.
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:10.603
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:10.603 --> 00:37:15.273
And even in, like, their first date, like, at first, it's actually very sweet.
00:37:15.273 --> 00:37:16.025
They're at dinner.
00:37:16.025 --> 00:37:19.027
He's like mentioning, like, you know, talk to your mom.
00:37:19.070 --> 00:37:23.740
But then he brings her back to the house and it just becomes all this is with the measurements. Now.
00:37:23.740 --> 00:37:25.992
He even calls her her boobs small. Yeah.
00:37:25.992 --> 00:37:27.536
Oh, you have no chest like she.
00:37:27.536 --> 00:37:29.079
And no, it's good.
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:30.789
And Cyril's taking the measurements.
00:37:30.789 --> 00:37:31.748
I haven't even wrote down.
00:37:31.748 --> 00:37:35.126
Like this is the most unsexy she could ever possibly feel.
00:37:35.168 --> 00:37:36.503
Yeah. And. Yeah.
00:37:36.503 --> 00:37:40.590
And you see it on her like she is just like zero goes.
00:37:40.590 --> 00:37:42.592
He likes a woman with a little belly.
00:37:42.592 --> 00:37:44.219
Oh, my God, that hold me.
00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:47.056
I was just like, oh, but I think she's like genuine.
00:37:47.056 --> 00:37:49.307
I don't think, yeah, that is an insult. No means.
00:37:49.307 --> 00:37:52.686
And it's like you come in and you're like, what world of I just stepped into.
00:37:52.686 --> 00:37:54.271
Yeah. Who are these people? Yeah.
00:37:54.271 --> 00:37:57.190
And literally the next scene, she's at the house, so she.
00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:01.195
So. Yeah, she, she just she went on a date is what she did.
00:38:01.195 --> 00:38:11.038
And then all of a sudden she's here and yeah, you do sense like that feeling for her where it feels claustrophobic because it's sort of like, do I just stand?
00:38:11.038 --> 00:38:13.039
Do I just parade?
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:27.429
I clearly don't make food good, like, you know, but and and yet, like, these are like the dynamics that I think that are kind of true in relationships where it's sort of like what you said earlier about the child parent thing.
00:38:27.762 --> 00:38:31.057
It becomes like, also like, what do you bring to the table exactly?
00:38:31.057 --> 00:38:36.688
And, and, and really she ends up being everything that he needs without him really knowing it. Yeah.
00:38:36.688 --> 00:38:41.735
But I mean would have like match to figure that out.
00:38:41.735 --> 00:38:43.445
And I guess she clues in on that.
00:38:43.445 --> 00:38:45.072
She's like, oh, I can be his mom.
00:38:45.072 --> 00:38:45.364
Yeah.
00:38:45.364 --> 00:38:48.284
Like okay. Like, yeah, I was his muse for a second.
00:38:48.284 --> 00:38:52.913
But to stick around, I need to become your mother type of thing.
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.416
I think. Like that's where she finds her power.
00:38:55.416 --> 00:39:05.384
It's like, oh, I need to have control over him in order to be able to stay the second she realizes, like, oh, I don't have control, he's going to he's going to get rid of me.
00:39:05.384 --> 00:39:06.635
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:06.635 --> 00:39:25.570
Now, I guess the question of ask the both of you, given this, this dynamic with the parenting thing, would you do it like if you were to assume a role like in this way that you either are comfortable assuming or not like would like where in personally would you land here?
00:39:25.570 --> 00:39:28.282
Yeah. It's so circumstantial. It is. Yes.
00:39:28.282 --> 00:39:33.036
I don't think this is something that necessarily people even think of consciously.
00:39:30.367 --> 00:39:33.036
I know, that's why I want to bring it up.
00:39:33.036 --> 00:39:35.414
Yeah. The dynamic of the relationship that sets in.
00:39:35.414 --> 00:39:41.920
But yeah, like when you, you know, you go through shit in life and there are tragedies and sometimes you need to be coddled a little bit.
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:43.838
Sometimes the other person needs to be coddled.
00:39:43.838 --> 00:39:44.130
Yeah.
00:39:44.130 --> 00:39:51.847
I don't, I don't know I don't know if I would engage in something quite like this that would be able to, you know, to intense.
00:39:51.847 --> 00:39:53.516
I don't yeah.
00:39:53.516 --> 00:39:55.726
Yeah. Not necessarily for me.
00:39:55.726 --> 00:39:59.563
But that's why I love it so much because it's such I've never seen a love story like this.
00:39:59.855 --> 00:40:01.065
Never, never.
00:40:01.065 --> 00:40:07.822
And I think it also makes me wonder, like, can great artists be also great partners?
00:40:07.862 --> 00:40:10.740
You know, I like you.
00:40:10.740 --> 00:40:19.375
One of my favorite things to do when I watch a new actor, director or someone is they go on their Wikipedia page and I look at how many wives or husbands they've had. Oh yeah. Oh, interesting.
00:40:19.375 --> 00:40:21.001
I was just like, oh wait, what?
00:40:21.001 --> 00:40:24.630
Like I started watching Flow Horses and Gary Oldman.
00:40:24.630 --> 00:40:25.965
I was like, oh, I have to go on his page.
00:40:25.965 --> 00:40:27.257
He's had like six. Wow.
00:40:27.257 --> 00:40:27.925
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:27.925 --> 00:40:29.717
This man is an incredible actor.
00:40:29.717 --> 00:40:31.929
But I'm like, oh my God. He's had six wives.
00:40:31.929 --> 00:40:36.851
And so I, I do wonder like what is the price to pay?
00:40:36.851 --> 00:40:41.230
And I think that there is a lot of compromise has to happen in a relationship.
00:40:41.230 --> 00:40:55.536
And so and I think it could go for like women as well, like Devil Wears Prada, you know, like that's a character that we could see as like her personal life is shit, but she's this incredibly successful, you know, fashion house like lady Meryl Streep.
00:40:55.536 --> 00:40:58.998
Yeah. And yeah, like, can you have it all?
00:40:58.998 --> 00:41:01.958
Can you be a good person and a great artist?
00:41:01.958 --> 00:41:13.137
I don't know, but I think with this movie, like, personally, I don't know, it's I think I've learned just like growing up, like, I don't want to be someone's doll.
00:41:13.137 --> 00:41:15.972
I don't want to be someone that a man is just, like, fascinated.
00:41:15.972 --> 00:41:17.432
I don't want to just be a muse.
00:41:17.432 --> 00:41:21.228
Like, I want to have an equal say and have my opinion be respected.
00:41:21.811 --> 00:41:31.447
But that might lead me to not maybe having someone who is like, as ambitious as I want them to be, because I don't know if there's room for both.
00:41:31.572 --> 00:41:33.407
Sure, sure.
00:41:33.407 --> 00:41:41.748
I'll, I'll, I'll say is that both of my most significant relationships ended because of basically this reason under different circumstances.
00:41:41.748 --> 00:41:48.463
But basically, I chose a certain life, and, and that, that I needed to do that.
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:53.760
I don't know what that says going forward or that, but that's just what it is.
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.346
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:41:55.346 --> 00:41:56.347
Life choices.
00:41:56.347 --> 00:41:58.474
Yeah. That's the way it goes. Yep.
00:41:58.474 --> 00:42:01.018
Because I actually think that I'm thinking about Reynolds Woodcock.
00:42:01.018 --> 00:42:02.936
Like, you know what I'm saying?
00:42:02.936 --> 00:42:03.728
I just love science.
00:42:03.728 --> 00:42:05.313
Name is Woodcock.
00:42:05.313 --> 00:42:06.981
The house of Woodcock. Woodcock.
00:42:08.150 --> 00:42:13.572
But like like now I'm thinking I don't know what he brings to this relationship.
00:42:13.572 --> 00:42:20.454
I mean, he's obviously given her a certain life, I suppose, but he.
00:42:20.454 --> 00:42:25.125
I don't see him really like doing much for them.
00:42:26.085 --> 00:42:39.306
No, I think well, I think it's interesting because at the beginning and I think this is why Daniel Day-Lewis is such an effective actor is like when he looks at her the way he, oh my God, oh my God.
00:42:39.306 --> 00:42:41.474
And it's not even in.
00:42:41.474 --> 00:42:43.184
I don't even know how to describe it.
00:42:43.184 --> 00:42:46.105
It's it's like anybody I think would be mesmerized.
00:42:46.105 --> 00:42:49.065
I'm like, yes, I want to be what you see.
00:42:49.065 --> 00:42:50.192
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:50.192 --> 00:42:58.117
So I think yeah, he has like this vision that he maybe that's what he brings to vision to like who this woman could be.
00:42:58.367 --> 00:43:00.327
But he doesn't actually like develop that.
00:43:00.327 --> 00:43:04.373
You know, it's not like he takes her on as like, okay, I'm going to make you incredible.
00:43:04.373 --> 00:43:08.085
It's like he already kind of has an idea and then that's it.
00:43:08.085 --> 00:43:09.795
Like, yeah, he doesn't really have to show up.
00:43:09.795 --> 00:43:10.211
Yeah.
00:43:10.211 --> 00:43:23.891
Choosing her, which is wild, which is wild, but it also is a thing too, where it's like every relationship really kind of forms because you just actually like being around this person, like the way that you two are, like behind closed doors that no one else gets to see like that.
00:43:23.976 --> 00:43:25.518
That matters a lot. Right?
00:43:25.518 --> 00:43:34.945
And I think that's what you get here, especially by the time you get to the end, where I think he knows 100% that she's about to poison him.
00:43:35.112 --> 00:43:38.532
I absolutely do every time you watch it, it's it's much, much clear.
00:43:38.532 --> 00:43:41.744
It's first time I saw it, I wasn't sure, but yes, I think he absolutely.
00:43:41.827 --> 00:43:44.663
She even says to him, like, you need to calm down a little. Yeah.
00:43:44.663 --> 00:43:46.664
It won't kill you. It won't.
00:43:44.663 --> 00:43:46.664
So yeah. Yeah.
00:43:46.664 --> 00:43:48.125
He made it.
00:43:48.125 --> 00:43:52.755
Does he know when he's, like, cutting the piece off when that fucking bite of omelet is in his mouth? Yes.
00:43:52.755 --> 00:43:55.090
And before he swallows it.
00:43:52.755 --> 00:43:55.090
Oh, he knows it.
00:43:55.090 --> 00:44:03.974
And that is also like, to me, like a beautiful way of just being like, like to me, this movie is always an allegory for relationships.
00:44:04.016 --> 00:44:09.730
Like, I know that you're about to poison me, but I wouldn't want it any other way.
00:44:09.730 --> 00:44:11.106
So you like.
00:44:11.106 --> 00:44:13.400
And he's like, kiss me before I'm sick, darling, you know?
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.818
Surrender, surrender. Yeah.
00:44:15.818 --> 00:44:19.697
And because sometimes you sometimes you feel like when you're in a relationship.
00:44:19.697 --> 00:44:21.492
Like what am I doing?
00:44:21.492 --> 00:44:22.909
Like, this is crazy.
00:44:22.909 --> 00:44:28.581
Like, but I think this is love, right?
00:44:28.581 --> 00:44:29.916
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:29.916 --> 00:44:32.920
And I think it's funny, too, that they kind of have.
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:39.885
I forgot about the part in the movie where they do, like, lead this somewhat normal life of, like, taking vacation.
00:44:39.885 --> 00:44:40.510
Yeah.
00:44:40.510 --> 00:44:42.096
Oh, bored he is. Yeah.
00:44:42.096 --> 00:44:44.472
Oh my God. He's just sitting there on his drawing.
00:44:44.472 --> 00:44:45.849
Yeah. So bored.
00:44:45.849 --> 00:44:54.483
And I, I can kind of like, relate to that feeling of like if you are so passionate and like really good at something and like, that's where you feel your ultimate self.
00:44:54.483 --> 00:44:58.987
But then to do like the family life on the side, I think maybe he's learning that.
00:44:58.987 --> 00:44:59.237
Yeah.
00:44:59.237 --> 00:45:04.326
Like I do have to kind of like let go of my artist self a little bit.
00:45:04.576 --> 00:45:09.789
So eventually he, he like chooses that, you know, he chooses to let that side of him exist.
00:45:09.956 --> 00:45:10.541
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:10.541 --> 00:45:13.001
It doesn't mean he like that.
00:45:10.541 --> 00:45:13.001
But no it's true. Yeah.
00:45:13.001 --> 00:45:18.132
But he's learning that like for this to work at, you have to like because that's when they're on their honeymoon. Yeah.
00:45:18.132 --> 00:45:20.717
And she's being very loud with her toast.
00:45:18.132 --> 00:45:20.717
Everything.
00:45:20.717 --> 00:45:25.556
He just goes oh, like, looks doesn't character because we're not in the house.
00:45:25.556 --> 00:45:26.764
It would come. Yeah.
00:45:26.764 --> 00:45:27.641
You're not working.
00:45:27.641 --> 00:45:29.684
You have you can have a conversation day.
00:45:29.684 --> 00:45:32.228
And then he also knows okay, she's younger.
00:45:32.228 --> 00:45:34.148
She wants to go climb the mountain for an hour.
00:45:34.148 --> 00:45:36.942
I'm just going to sit here, have fun. And it's like, okay.
00:45:36.942 --> 00:45:37.775
Yeah, I love that.
00:45:37.775 --> 00:45:48.327
Well, that's the other cool thing about this movie is like it examines like like, I mean, they use marriages the way, but it is sort of like the acceptance of your relationship.
00:45:48.369 --> 00:45:55.210
This is what things are. And before the age thing wasn't really a problem.
00:45:55.753 --> 00:46:04.302
But but there does become a point where it's sort of like in their situation and where it is sort of like, I want to go dancing and it's sort of like dancing.
00:46:04.344 --> 00:46:06.262
Yeah, I don't want I'm not talking that. Yeah.
00:46:06.262 --> 00:46:08.974
And but it's very fair for her to want that.
00:46:08.974 --> 00:46:12.226
And that is just kind of like the nature of just like that age difference.
00:46:12.436 --> 00:46:18.817
But I love how it's they bring that into play so much later.
00:46:18.817 --> 00:46:19.358
Yeah.
00:46:19.358 --> 00:46:22.362
But it's a very real reality that you could relate to.
00:46:22.905 --> 00:46:26.532
And then and then it's sort of like, how do we still make this work?
00:46:26.532 --> 00:46:28.744
How do we keep making this work?
00:46:28.744 --> 00:46:31.329
Oh, it's very cool for sure.
00:46:31.329 --> 00:46:33.414
Johnny Greenwood did the music for this movie.
00:46:33.414 --> 00:46:36.668
He sure did.
00:46:33.414 --> 00:46:36.668
99 minutes of score. Beautiful.
00:46:36.668 --> 00:46:39.545
So beautiful. He had done score. He did there Will Be Blood.
00:46:39.545 --> 00:46:42.882
And basically the Oscars are just like, nah, we're not nominating this guy.
00:46:42.882 --> 00:46:44.592
Like, we're not nominating these rockers.
00:46:44.592 --> 00:46:46.385
And then this was his first nomination.
00:46:46.385 --> 00:46:48.514
They're like, okay, we we can't ignore this anymore.
00:46:48.514 --> 00:46:51.809
The score is so beautiful to me, so beautiful.
00:46:52.141 --> 00:46:55.896
Mark Bridges won an Oscar for the costumes, for designing the costumes.
00:46:56.521 --> 00:46:58.315
Yeah. One thing I want to call out.
00:46:58.315 --> 00:47:02.277
Maybe my favorite costume is in that dinner argument scene.
00:47:02.277 --> 00:47:03.820
He's like, I'm going to go up and have a bass.
00:47:03.820 --> 00:47:06.489
And he comes down and he's like, in pajamas.
00:47:06.489 --> 00:47:08.492
But he's got a suit jacket on.
00:47:08.492 --> 00:47:09.784
Okay, that's good.
00:47:09.784 --> 00:47:12.871
And it's it's like it's a really subtle fuck you.
00:47:12.913 --> 00:47:16.791
Oh oh 100% dressed in my best and just know you made dinner.
00:47:16.791 --> 00:47:18.001
Here's my PJs. Yeah.
00:47:18.001 --> 00:47:21.255
I won't even look at her when he's, like, having a sip of his martini to sit down.
00:47:21.255 --> 00:47:24.215
Oh, I love him. But the costumes, needless to say, gorgeous.
00:47:24.215 --> 00:47:30.847
I think one of my favorite moments where it's like, I think he really locked in to armor was when she got so upset.
00:47:31.097 --> 00:47:35.226
Yeah, Barbara Rose, I'm like, oh, yeah, we have a beautiful kiss.
00:47:35.226 --> 00:47:36.519
And oh yeah.
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.606
And then going into the room and taking her out of the.
00:47:39.648 --> 00:47:40.148
Yeah.
00:47:40.148 --> 00:47:43.402
Like it's such that to me I think is when he fell in love.
00:47:43.652 --> 00:47:46.280
Oh I love this woman 100%.
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.489
I think that's exactly right.
00:47:48.489 --> 00:47:51.492
And it's great because like she starts it.
00:47:51.617 --> 00:47:52.661
That's what I see.
00:47:52.661 --> 00:47:57.039
You're laughing because she looks all upset at the wedding and he's like don't start crying.
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:58.125
Yeah yeah yeah.
00:47:58.125 --> 00:48:03.255
They start blubbering I'm not crying I'm angry not deserve to be in that dress.
00:48:03.422 --> 00:48:06.215
And he's like it will know.
00:48:06.215 --> 00:48:08.467
Now you know you're saying some things.
00:48:06.215 --> 00:48:08.467
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:08.467 --> 00:48:09.635
Speaking my language know.
00:48:09.635 --> 00:48:11.637
Yeah I like they open the door.
00:48:11.637 --> 00:48:13.264
He said no pounding on the door.
00:48:13.264 --> 00:48:15.309
And the you know assistant opens.
00:48:15.309 --> 00:48:17.393
I'd like to dress because she's asleep okay.
00:48:17.393 --> 00:48:18.728
Like I don't care about that. Yeah.
00:48:18.728 --> 00:48:21.188
And then he puts it together in the dress.
00:48:21.188 --> 00:48:22.565
Well, that's the funny part.
00:48:22.565 --> 00:48:24.818
You see, you put this stuff together.
00:48:24.818 --> 00:48:26.945
I love that he just says her name, too, is like alma.
00:48:26.945 --> 00:48:27.737
Like, send in the.
00:48:29.030 --> 00:48:32.451
And he sit there, you know, his posture in that doorway leaned up against it.
00:48:32.451 --> 00:48:36.163
Cow walks by. Cow? Yeah, I love that.
00:48:36.163 --> 00:48:37.079
It's like.
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.333
And that actress Barbara Rose is great.
00:48:39.333 --> 00:48:42.126
She has that one scene in Licorice Pizza where she's.
00:48:42.126 --> 00:48:44.963
It's my favorite scene in the movie meeting.
00:48:44.963 --> 00:48:47.257
A lot of for the first time. It's fine.
00:48:47.257 --> 00:48:48.759
Yeah. And so she's just great.
00:48:48.759 --> 00:48:53.679
But the way she plays that, she shows up to the house drunk, she's drunk, and she's like, come on, Barbara.
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.349
The way she starts messing with the.
00:48:55.349 --> 00:48:58.559
He's like, I'm trying to make you a beautiful dress, please.
00:48:58.601 --> 00:49:00.478
I'm like, I'm still ugly.
00:49:00.478 --> 00:49:02.356
Yeah.
00:49:02.356 --> 00:49:04.983
That's like, yeah, I'm trying to make you beautiful dress.
00:49:04.983 --> 00:49:08.820
Allow me. Like, I just, I can't have what's weird thing.
00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:10.112
And her name? Barbara Rose.
00:49:10.112 --> 00:49:12.740
I have it here, but do you have space for this house?
00:49:12.740 --> 00:49:15.202
Harriet Samson Harris.
00:49:15.202 --> 00:49:16.244
Harriet rose.
00:49:16.244 --> 00:49:17.871
Samson Harris. Yes.
00:49:17.871 --> 00:49:20.916
She does so much with so little.
00:49:17.871 --> 00:49:20.916
Yes. Like.
00:49:20.916 --> 00:49:22.751
Like I don't even know she's British.
00:49:22.751 --> 00:49:25.045
Because in Licorice Pizza, she has a great American accent.
00:49:25.045 --> 00:49:25.711
And this is.
00:49:25.711 --> 00:49:27.505
I don't know, it seems only British.
00:49:27.505 --> 00:49:29.173
Yes, she's actually good. She's right.
00:49:29.173 --> 00:49:31.550
Yeah, but good point, actually.
00:49:31.550 --> 00:49:32.510
Very good point.
00:49:32.510 --> 00:49:35.847
All we know about her before we meet her is that she owns the house.
00:49:35.847 --> 00:49:38.641
That's the reason why he that he has to do this is like.
00:49:38.641 --> 00:49:39.768
Listen, she owns it.
00:49:39.768 --> 00:49:41.478
Like to do this for this house.
00:49:41.478 --> 00:49:45.983
And, and then we meet her and she's like, drunkard.
00:49:45.983 --> 00:49:48.777
She is, like, insecure.
00:49:48.777 --> 00:49:52.614
And she is in this whole situation with this Dominican thing.
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.117
And there's not a lot of dialog that she has.
00:49:56.117 --> 00:50:02.833
Yeah, but yet she is such a well lived in person, like, you just can't get enough of her. Like, what is she?
00:50:02.833 --> 00:50:04.376
And then she fails plans.
00:50:04.376 --> 00:50:07.378
Yeah. Your wedding or the wedding? Boom.
00:50:07.378 --> 00:50:09.005
Face it. I'm like.
00:50:09.005 --> 00:50:10.965
And she never comes back again.
00:50:10.965 --> 00:50:12.092
She's never even mentioned.
00:50:12.092 --> 00:50:16.554
But yet when you're when the movie's over, you remember every bit of her.
00:50:16.554 --> 00:50:18.556
Oh, I love these kind of performances.
00:50:18.556 --> 00:50:20.349
Oh, yeah. PTA is so good at these.
00:50:20.349 --> 00:50:25.731
He does these little one offs or, you know, not just one scene, but still sprinkle them in and then yeah, it's so memorable.
00:50:25.731 --> 00:50:28.733
They end up being sometimes most memorable characters of his movie.
00:50:28.733 --> 00:50:33.655
Yep. Love it I love that we've we've been talking for 15 minutes and gone all over the place.
00:50:33.655 --> 00:50:36.699
I'm going to start kind of in order here and we can touch on things.
00:50:36.699 --> 00:50:37.367
Order of the movie.
00:50:37.367 --> 00:50:39.411
Just your I haven't lost my mind.
00:50:39.411 --> 00:50:41.829
I'm very sane. Thank you.
00:50:43.414 --> 00:50:46.043
What's you know so we start.
00:50:46.043 --> 00:50:49.755
Oh my God, we are going to go like she's you know, not like scene by scene.
00:50:49.755 --> 00:50:55.927
I just got to say that fucking opening title card with the music, it stays on screen for like 15 seconds.
00:50:55.927 --> 00:50:58.929
It's gorgeous. I love it, I love it.
00:50:59.597 --> 00:51:02.559
Minute two we're seeing Reynolds Woodcock yet.
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:04.686
No, we're not going to do it like minute by minute.
00:51:04.686 --> 00:51:06.271
No. You know come on we have.
00:51:06.271 --> 00:51:08.023
No we're no I wouldn't mind.
00:51:08.023 --> 00:51:09.815
We're seeing him get ready.
00:51:09.815 --> 00:51:13.070
Very precise like thread and see my thread.
00:51:13.778 --> 00:51:18.115
I seen him get ready I did I made a note here of every breakfast.
00:51:18.115 --> 00:51:21.077
Breakfast one.
00:51:18.115 --> 00:51:21.077
Oh my gosh. Let's talk. Camila.
00:51:21.077 --> 00:51:23.496
Yes, yes. Camilla Rutherford is Joanna.
00:51:23.496 --> 00:51:28.085
Joanna is here and she's, you know, doesn't know how to talk and she doesn't know what to do.
00:51:28.085 --> 00:51:34.090
And she hands in that gorgeous looking cinnamon roll I think goes no more no more still things.
00:51:34.090 --> 00:51:36.635
Yeah I never even heard that. Like, what is it?
00:51:36.635 --> 00:51:39.346
I tell you, normal stodgy things.
00:51:36.635 --> 00:51:39.346
Then you know I.
00:51:39.346 --> 00:51:40.387
When are you going to get rid of me?
00:51:40.387 --> 00:51:42.306
And then that's like, is this a conference?
00:51:42.306 --> 00:51:43.809
He doesn't say, is this a confrontation?
00:51:43.809 --> 00:51:52.150
I cannot begin my day with the confrontation threatens the delicious.
00:51:52.192 --> 00:51:57.697
Remember I told you, Joanna, no more stodgy things.
00:51:58.907 --> 00:52:03.994
There's nothing I can say to get your attention and back me.
00:52:04.788 --> 00:52:07.791
Is there?
00:52:08.666 --> 00:52:11.670
I cannot begin my day with a confrontation.
00:52:11.753 --> 00:52:13.963
Please.
00:52:13.963 --> 00:52:16.632
And delivering the dress today.
00:52:16.632 --> 00:52:19.635
And I come to take up space for the confrontation.
00:52:19.844 --> 00:52:22.847
I simply don't have time for confrontations.
00:52:24.557 --> 00:52:25.809
His legs are crossed.
00:52:25.809 --> 00:52:27.853
He's not even looking.
00:52:25.809 --> 00:52:27.853
He's just got a pen.
00:52:27.853 --> 00:52:30.688
He pours that tea like he never looks when he pours it.
00:52:30.688 --> 00:52:31.773
Oh my God, it's perfect.
00:52:31.773 --> 00:52:34.775
I have to say, I love how body conscious he is.
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:37.862
No butter, no stodgy thing. Yes. It's like.
00:52:37.862 --> 00:52:40.030
But then. Oh yeah, we can we talk about.
00:52:40.030 --> 00:52:40.699
We can go anywhere.
00:52:40.699 --> 00:52:42.659
A line with the breakfast. Okay. Yes.
00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:44.952
The whole like I'm hungry.
00:52:44.952 --> 00:52:46.913
What do you guys make of that.
00:52:44.952 --> 00:52:46.913
Because he says it.
00:52:46.913 --> 00:52:51.543
What, like four times I think when he's hungry, he's like in a good mood.
00:52:51.543 --> 00:52:52.585
He's inspired.
00:52:52.585 --> 00:52:57.965
Honestly, I think you're using that as, like, kind of a euphemism at one point because I.
00:52:58.175 --> 00:53:00.635
One of the things I respect about him is that he's not out.
00:53:00.635 --> 00:53:01.510
This isn't lost.
00:53:01.510 --> 00:53:02.846
Like they don't sleep together right away.
00:53:02.846 --> 00:53:05.264
I think the first time they sleep together is at the house.
00:53:05.264 --> 00:53:07.391
Oh, they like, go into his bedroom together. Yeah.
00:53:07.391 --> 00:53:09.603
She says she's like, have you had enough to eat?
00:53:09.603 --> 00:53:10.978
You look thirsty. Yeah.
00:53:10.978 --> 00:53:13.190
And I'm like, okay, so that think I.
00:53:13.190 --> 00:53:15.817
But his appetites to me are hysterical.
00:53:15.817 --> 00:53:22.114
How hungry he can get in the movie and I don't know, but they have that really good meeting or something happens.
00:53:22.114 --> 00:53:23.617
Maybe it's even the barbarous thing.
00:53:23.617 --> 00:53:25.744
And then the next day he, like, kisses her at the table.
00:53:25.744 --> 00:53:28.871
Armani orders oatmeal with cream, and he's like, I'm so hungry.
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:30.164
Yeah. It's interesting.
00:53:30.164 --> 00:53:30.623
Okay.
00:53:30.623 --> 00:53:34.753
Yeah, I always has an appetite, but yeah, I think it's when things are going well for him. Okay.
00:53:34.753 --> 00:53:36.670
So he doesn't like he has an appetite.
00:53:36.670 --> 00:53:39.465
I think things are going well.
00:53:36.670 --> 00:53:39.465
It correlates. Yeah.
00:53:39.465 --> 00:53:43.219
It because because clearly when he says that no more starchy things.
00:53:43.219 --> 00:53:43.802
Stodgy.
00:53:43.802 --> 00:53:47.181
Stop stop stop stop stop start.
00:53:48.016 --> 00:53:51.311
But I know that's how they say, oh, you got to say stodgy.
00:53:51.561 --> 00:53:54.313
Oh great British word. Yes it is.
00:53:54.313 --> 00:53:59.443
But he clearly he's you he he does not actually want that in his life.
00:53:59.443 --> 00:54:03.657
Because when he orders that next big breakfast you can have more starchy things in there.
00:54:03.697 --> 00:54:04.865
Well that's what I mean. Yeah.
00:54:04.865 --> 00:54:08.119
That's my so, so that's his way of being like, I've had enough of you.
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:10.664
I want this food, but I just don't want it.
00:54:10.664 --> 00:54:15.251
And I think you kind of because even cereal says she's sitting around getting fat.
00:54:15.460 --> 00:54:15.793
Yeah.
00:54:15.793 --> 00:54:21.007
And I think he maybe is saying to her, like, I don't want you to be eating that because he eats that.
00:54:21.007 --> 00:54:22.425
It looks like the same exact role.
00:54:22.425 --> 00:54:28.806
Like, you know, hours later when he's arguing with alma and he, like, takes a bite of it and throws it on the plate and then walks away.
00:54:28.806 --> 00:54:31.184
Oh, tired of too much noise at breakfast?
00:54:28.806 --> 00:54:31.184
Oh, yeah.
00:54:31.184 --> 00:54:32.351
Yeah. So he's.
00:54:32.351 --> 00:54:34.478
Yeah. Just contradicting himself right there.
00:54:34.478 --> 00:54:37.273
Or he's saying rudely, I don't want you to eat that.
00:54:37.273 --> 00:54:44.030
Well, and he's also like, like there is that element of like you should know exactly what I mean with every single thing I do.
00:54:44.030 --> 00:54:47.826
So when I slam down this cinnamon roll, you know, I want this.
00:54:47.992 --> 00:54:49.869
You know, I want this so bad.
00:54:49.869 --> 00:54:53.498
And yet you are making me lose my appetite.
00:54:53.498 --> 00:54:53.789
Yeah.
00:54:53.789 --> 00:55:00.045
And I can't go about my day when he's a five year old and a five year old like mom.
00:55:00.045 --> 00:55:01.672
You're supposed to know exactly what I want.
00:55:01.672 --> 00:55:04.675
Yeah, like butter toast. Yeah.
00:55:01.672 --> 00:55:04.675
Oh the fuck?
00:55:04.925 --> 00:55:06.469
Yes. Butter is their toast.
00:55:06.469 --> 00:55:09.472
Which does sound like an elephant train coming.
00:55:09.764 --> 00:55:12.141
They're like, oh, I know, but that would be funny.
00:55:12.141 --> 00:55:13.518
It's so funny.
00:55:13.518 --> 00:55:14.643
You sound like it.
00:55:14.643 --> 00:55:19.565
Does he say it trained like he says, like the like I, I like a little less something about horses.
00:55:19.565 --> 00:55:23.277
Like horses ran through here with you and they're playing that game.
00:55:23.277 --> 00:55:25.487
And she said, I think they're good and well, shaking Elmo.
00:55:25.487 --> 00:55:26.864
Yeah.
00:55:26.864 --> 00:55:28.615
It's always got a comment on these things.
00:55:28.615 --> 00:55:32.411
Always, always you delivers that first dress to the Countess.
00:55:32.411 --> 00:55:33.829
I love the whole.
00:55:33.829 --> 00:55:36.373
It looks like it's it's harder for him than it is for her.
00:55:36.373 --> 00:55:37.958
Like to let go of this dressing. Yeah.
00:55:37.958 --> 00:55:40.420
There's like touching heads and, you know, let's take it for a walk.
00:55:40.420 --> 00:55:44.215
And his posture, when she walks in, he'd sit down and like, moves his hands so she can walk out.
00:55:44.215 --> 00:55:46.634
I love him, I say. I don't like that dress.
00:55:46.634 --> 00:55:47.802
Well, I don't really.
00:55:47.802 --> 00:55:49.721
This is that first one. The first one.
00:55:49.721 --> 00:55:55.601
I like the keep playing the 50s, I know, but the like the whole like the pink like I don't know.
00:55:55.601 --> 00:55:56.603
You know what it isn't.
00:55:56.603 --> 00:55:58.938
It's not chic. Well, what is this?
00:55:56.603 --> 00:55:58.938
What is this?
00:55:58.938 --> 00:56:01.023
What is this a filthy little word. Chic.
00:56:01.023 --> 00:56:04.027
But it looks like a pillow like case like.
00:56:04.152 --> 00:56:06.070
And it's like wrinkles and it looks very thick.
00:56:06.070 --> 00:56:07.155
I don't know, controversial.
00:56:07.155 --> 00:56:09.699
I actually don't like hardly any of the cast.
00:56:09.699 --> 00:56:10.909
Like they're beautiful.
00:56:10.909 --> 00:56:13.327
I don't like this. It's not my bad.
00:56:13.327 --> 00:56:15.204
I've heard people say that like they're beautiful.
00:56:15.204 --> 00:56:16.456
For what? Like he.
00:56:16.456 --> 00:56:19.626
I think that kind of comes into play when he's talking to cereal.
00:56:19.626 --> 00:56:21.753
Then why won't so-and-so.
00:56:21.753 --> 00:56:23.463
Yeah. Why isn't she talking to me?
00:56:23.463 --> 00:56:24.338
She wants to go with someone else.
00:56:24.338 --> 00:56:27.007
She want feel something that chic and his.
00:56:27.007 --> 00:56:32.472
I don't know much about fashion, but it doesn't look like he makes hi trendy, at least by today's standards.
00:56:32.472 --> 00:56:36.643
Maybe back then it was, I don't know, but it looks like he has a more formal sentiment.
00:56:36.643 --> 00:56:39.646
Yeah, it's very measured and it doesn't look comfortable.
00:56:39.646 --> 00:56:40.438
It doesn't feel right.
00:56:40.438 --> 00:56:46.360
I feel like it looks very, controlled and very confined.
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:47.945
And I think that's his whole thing.
00:56:47.945 --> 00:56:50.697
It's like it's not real.
00:56:47.945 --> 00:56:50.697
It's not real fabric.
00:56:50.697 --> 00:56:55.869
I mean, it's obviously real fabrics, but it just looks to restrictive in my opinion.
00:56:55.869 --> 00:56:56.496
Yeah.
00:56:56.496 --> 00:57:00.250
That's I, I've never really thought about the costumes in this movie.
00:57:00.250 --> 00:57:08.550
I maybe I don't really think about costumes much in like movies like this where it's sort of like, oh, the costumes are actually a very integral part of it.
00:57:08.550 --> 00:57:12.302
Like they just blow right past my head until this time where I was like, I don't like it.
00:57:12.302 --> 00:57:13.387
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:13.387 --> 00:57:18.351
And I could see him being like, but the measurements are perfect and the is perfect, but it doesn't.
00:57:19.101 --> 00:57:21.855
To me, it's not like saying anything.
00:57:19.101 --> 00:57:21.855
Yeah.
00:57:21.855 --> 00:57:24.858
It's like I'm rich and stately and like not interesting.
00:57:24.983 --> 00:57:30.237
And I think that's what's funny about him is he's like curated his life to where it isn't very interesting.
00:57:30.237 --> 00:57:30.487
Yeah.
00:57:30.487 --> 00:57:33.324
It's like it's the same routine every day.
00:57:33.324 --> 00:57:37.244
And alma is like this new thing that's like, well, I don't want to do this all the time.
00:57:37.244 --> 00:57:39.621
Yeah, that's all your rules are. Yeah.
00:57:39.621 --> 00:57:41.291
You're like, oh, I love that.
00:57:41.291 --> 00:57:42.958
We'll get there. We'll get there you go. Yeah.
00:57:42.958 --> 00:57:43.918
You're going scene by scene.
00:57:43.918 --> 00:57:44.293
We are.
00:57:44.293 --> 00:57:49.007
We're going to go to the country as we talked about, Mickey and I discussed those driving scenes.
00:57:49.215 --> 00:57:52.050
Whatever, man I'd like to go through so we don't miss anything.
00:57:52.050 --> 00:57:53.802
Go to rag on me.
00:57:53.802 --> 00:57:54.262
You're okay.
00:57:54.262 --> 00:57:56.889
Mickey, you can tell I'm meeting.
00:57:56.889 --> 00:58:00.893
I knew that you were going to do this, but, you know, he goes to the country.
00:58:00.893 --> 00:58:01.768
I love those scenes.
00:58:01.768 --> 00:58:03.938
I love him when he's walking up to that hotel.
00:58:03.938 --> 00:58:07.483
If I ever get to this area of the world, I want to go to that street.
00:58:07.483 --> 00:58:10.402
When he's, like, walking up to the hotel.
00:58:07.483 --> 00:58:10.402
I think it's a real street.
00:58:10.402 --> 00:58:10.652
Yeah.
00:58:10.652 --> 00:58:15.492
When you walk in and $35 million budget.
00:58:15.699 --> 00:58:17.619
No. Yeah.
00:58:15.699 --> 00:58:17.619
They went there. They went there.
00:58:17.619 --> 00:58:18.702
All right. Breakfast too.
00:58:18.702 --> 00:58:21.706
Oh, actually we've talked about blushing before.
00:58:21.706 --> 00:58:24.541
Hoffman in 25th hour.
00:58:21.706 --> 00:58:24.541
Yes. She blushes. Yes.
00:58:24.541 --> 00:58:25.335
She, she's. Yeah.
00:58:25.335 --> 00:58:28.795
When she sees him her face is bright red and I don't.
00:58:28.795 --> 00:58:30.965
That's not like a makeup.
00:58:28.795 --> 00:58:30.965
You can't fake that.
00:58:30.965 --> 00:58:33.217
That's it's it's pure embarrassment.
00:58:33.217 --> 00:58:33.342
Yeah.
00:58:33.342 --> 00:58:34.844
Nervousness trips. Yeah.
00:58:34.844 --> 00:58:36.346
Right away we're learning who she is.
00:58:36.346 --> 00:58:38.764
It's like she's kind of goofy, you know, trips.
00:58:38.764 --> 00:58:40.182
Everything's funny.
00:58:40.182 --> 00:58:42.518
Kind of messy. Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:40.182 --> 00:58:42.518
She's like a messy.
00:58:42.518 --> 00:58:44.228
Oh, she is not polished.
00:58:44.228 --> 00:58:46.481
Yeah, none at all. It's my favorite scene. The whole movie.
00:58:46.481 --> 00:58:55.989
The their intro, the whole entire breakfast nook sequence, everything about it from her entrance to tripping to hurt him, looking at her like he looks at her.
00:58:55.989 --> 00:58:58.159
And he finds that very endearing.
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.286
But he almost has to look to have like it's a love scene.
00:59:01.286 --> 00:59:02.539
This. It's a long.
00:59:02.539 --> 00:59:07.251
Yeah, like at some point where we stay on him for a while, almost as if he's calculating with himself.
00:59:07.585 --> 00:59:08.545
Is this the next one?
00:59:08.545 --> 00:59:11.255
Is this 100% on getting her to dinner tonight?
00:59:11.255 --> 00:59:14.092
Oh, I didn't know this was going to happen this quickly. Okay.
00:59:14.092 --> 00:59:17.929
And and yet he couldn't, like, help them see and stuff at all.
00:59:18.221 --> 00:59:18.846
All right.
00:59:18.846 --> 00:59:20.974
Yes. Breakfast number two. Breakfast number two.
00:59:20.974 --> 00:59:23.976
A Welsh rabbit with a poached egg, not too runny.
00:59:23.976 --> 00:59:27.981
Bacon scones, butter cream jam.
00:59:27.981 --> 00:59:31.025
Not strawberry raspberry tea sausages.
00:59:31.025 --> 00:59:31.985
Will you remember?
00:59:31.985 --> 00:59:34.653
Yes, I'm keeping this smoothie.
00:59:34.653 --> 00:59:36.572
She has dialog in there too that you missed out.
00:59:36.572 --> 00:59:38.949
No, I'm saying, you know.
00:59:36.572 --> 00:59:38.949
Will you remember this? Yes.
00:59:38.949 --> 00:59:39.784
I'm keeping this.
00:59:39.784 --> 00:59:42.202
I know, I know, I'm, I just like strawberry jam there.
00:59:42.202 --> 00:59:43.538
Yeah, I was just saying the order.
00:59:43.538 --> 00:59:45.581
I love that he adds sausages at the end.
00:59:45.581 --> 00:59:47.625
You've already got bacon. It's Larry's.
00:59:47.625 --> 00:59:51.336
Apparently these breakfast orders are based on Daniel Day-Lewis.
00:59:51.336 --> 00:59:55.882
In real life, when he and PTA were writing and developing the movie, this is how he orders breakfast.
00:59:55.882 --> 00:59:58.927
He eats these, like, massive breakfast Daniel Day-Lewis does.
00:59:59.596 --> 01:00:01.054
So I just made fun of him.
01:00:01.054 --> 01:00:04.057
It was like, so funny. Yeah, yeah.
01:00:04.099 --> 01:00:05.684
And another thing, forgive us.
01:00:05.684 --> 01:00:13.610
We're going to get real geeky for a second, real technical when they are meeting that meet cute when they're doing the, breakfast order.
01:00:13.610 --> 01:00:13.900
Yeah.
01:00:13.900 --> 01:00:21.199
The way the camera is, the cutting breaks the so-called line which you are not allowed, you are not supposed to do in cinematography.
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.994
You supposed to stay on a line.
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.994
So it should.
01:00:23.994 --> 01:00:27.456
When we cut back to him or her, we're like, on different sides of them.
01:00:27.498 --> 01:00:30.251
Yeah. And I heard PTA asked about this and he's like, I don't know.
01:00:30.251 --> 01:00:31.710
It looked good. And I saw Kubrick do it.
01:00:31.710 --> 01:00:35.047
So who cares what you know about cinematography.
01:00:35.047 --> 01:00:37.925
And you watch it. I'm like, oh, wow, that's that's interesting.
01:00:37.925 --> 01:00:42.012
It shouldn't like the rules of cinematography dictate that you don't do that.
01:00:42.012 --> 01:00:43.264
You don't break that line.
01:00:43.264 --> 01:00:43.889
And he just does it.
01:00:43.889 --> 01:00:44.474
He doesn't care.
01:00:44.474 --> 01:00:48.226
And I love that when there's nothing at matches like the dynamic that she's kind of.
01:00:48.226 --> 01:00:49.394
Exactly. Yeah.
01:00:49.394 --> 01:00:51.606
He's like perfectly manicured life.
01:00:51.606 --> 01:00:53.231
Yeah. Boom. Perfect.
01:00:54.275 --> 01:00:57.195
What else?
01:00:57.195 --> 01:00:58.570
Coffee or tea?
01:00:58.570 --> 01:01:10.333
Do you have lab saying deposit lab saying please just add some sausages and some sausages.
01:01:15.045 --> 01:01:18.007
Show me.
01:01:25.389 --> 01:01:28.393
What you remember? Yes.
01:01:30.853 --> 01:01:33.856
Keeping this.
01:01:36.818 --> 01:01:37.777
I have a question for Mickey.
01:01:37.777 --> 01:01:38.945
Their first date.
01:01:38.945 --> 01:01:41.364
He dislike fucking interrupts her.
01:01:41.364 --> 01:01:43.574
This napkin water and he just goes.
01:01:43.574 --> 01:01:44.951
I like to see who I'm talking to.
01:01:44.951 --> 01:01:46.952
Oh, my lipstick off.
01:01:46.952 --> 01:01:48.996
Is that a move or what?
01:01:48.996 --> 01:01:51.289
Would you do it? So, like, I like to.
01:01:51.289 --> 01:01:52.125
I'm talking to you.
01:01:52.125 --> 01:02:05.554
Just rub that napkin across her lips to take her cheek off and I'm like, damn, it's so funny because that moment when I watched it a couple days ago, I was like, wow, I'm sure that there are women who are going to be listening to this being like, how can Mickey like this movie?
01:02:05.554 --> 01:02:08.224
Because this guy is just fucking nasty.
01:02:08.224 --> 01:02:13.813
And I was like, yeah, like, that's the moment where I was like, oh, yeah, like, he is awful.
01:02:13.813 --> 01:02:18.358
But I think that's what I love about this movie is it doesn't really hide.
01:02:18.650 --> 01:02:21.653
It's not making any excuses. It's just true.
01:02:21.695 --> 01:02:25.199
Showing who this man is and all of his flaws.
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:25.615
Not thing.
01:02:25.615 --> 01:02:28.619
I like him as a character, but I think it shows.
01:02:28.952 --> 01:02:33.206
Like he walks around with so much agency and I think that at that moment shows.
01:02:33.206 --> 01:02:34.458
It's like it's his world.
01:02:34.458 --> 01:02:38.420
Yeah, it's his like universe essentially.
01:02:38.420 --> 01:02:39.922
And he runs the show. Yeah.
01:02:39.922 --> 01:02:44.635
And so it's sort of like establishing what is there.
01:02:44.635 --> 01:02:47.096
And then she can come in and like fuck it up. Yep.
01:02:47.096 --> 01:02:50.099
So yeah I literally wrote his date his way.
01:02:50.266 --> 01:02:51.516
Yeah yeah, yeah.
01:02:51.516 --> 01:02:53.436
We're going back to my country.
01:02:53.436 --> 01:02:56.731
Yeah I'm going to sit there and measure you like we're going to pick your color.
01:02:56.731 --> 01:03:00.525
I'm going to measure you. I'm going to insult you a little bit talking about your chest size, all that stuff.
01:03:00.525 --> 01:03:07.574
I love when they're back at the home and you see the picture of his mother and the dress he made for her, and he's telling that story about their, housekeeper.
01:03:07.574 --> 01:03:08.742
We called her Black Death.
01:03:08.742 --> 01:03:13.539
Oh, my God, she wouldn't help me make the dress because she thought it was a curse and that she would never get married.
01:03:13.539 --> 01:03:15.875
And he's like nothing anyone would ever have her anyway.
01:03:15.875 --> 01:03:18.251
Just be like. He's so funny.
01:03:18.251 --> 01:03:20.086
Like the color black that we hated her.
01:03:20.086 --> 01:03:23.048
I love that, I love and then, you know, having a fire.
01:03:23.048 --> 01:03:24.675
That little me. Cute, I love it.
01:03:24.675 --> 01:03:27.219
She goes, you're a very attractive man.
01:03:24.675 --> 01:03:27.219
He just smiles.
01:03:27.219 --> 01:03:30.139
He doesn't need to say like, yeah, yeah.
01:03:30.139 --> 01:03:31.389
I mean, he has a lot going for me.
01:03:31.389 --> 01:03:32.974
He's a good looking older fella.
01:03:32.974 --> 01:03:35.978
I get it, I go for that little walk.
01:03:36.103 --> 01:03:38.648
Whatever you do, do it carefully.
01:03:38.648 --> 01:03:44.277
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think she knows what she's, like, about to go on a wild ride.
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:44.528
Oh, yeah.
01:03:44.528 --> 01:03:45.737
So I think.
01:03:45.737 --> 01:03:51.034
Yeah, that there is, like, this level of intrigue that she has and she's like, okay, I'm game, but be careful.
01:03:51.202 --> 01:03:52.954
Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:52.954 --> 01:03:55.498
They go so then yeah, he's like looping her back in.
01:03:55.498 --> 01:03:58.876
They go back to the house of Woodcock, of alma in the House of Woodcock.
01:03:59.501 --> 01:04:01.628
Didn't even see him.
01:03:59.501 --> 01:04:01.628
We didn't even see him. Ask her.
01:04:01.628 --> 01:04:02.588
It's just like, here we go.
01:04:02.588 --> 01:04:05.173
Here's here's the show I love.
01:04:05.173 --> 01:04:08.052
The first time she really claps back is about that fabric.
01:04:08.052 --> 01:04:09.804
And, you know, you have no taste.
01:04:09.804 --> 01:04:14.016
And then Cyril kind of, like, nicely chimes in, well, you know, a lot of people like this.
01:04:14.016 --> 01:04:16.561
And he just goes, he's looking down and goes, Cyril is right.
01:04:16.561 --> 01:04:17.644
Cyril is always right.
01:04:17.644 --> 01:04:19.563
Yeah, I love their relationship.
01:04:19.563 --> 01:04:23.775
And when they almost get into a fight and she doesn't even look him in the eyes, like, don't pick a fight with me.
01:04:23.775 --> 01:04:26.152
I'll go right through you.
01:04:23.775 --> 01:04:26.152
What's the later, senior? Skipping ahead.
01:04:26.152 --> 01:04:28.364
I know I'm doing it on purpose.
01:04:28.364 --> 01:04:31.492
I do, and I want to reinforce the point I'm making now.
01:04:31.534 --> 01:04:34.786
Nicholas, I do show in the back, too, of like.
01:04:34.911 --> 01:04:36.454
Yes, now we're going back.
01:04:36.454 --> 01:04:41.710
She knows she can do whatever she wants. So the idea that when they get to the house that he's like, this is your room.
01:04:42.043 --> 01:04:44.713
And she's like, all right. Yeah. She's like, wait, what?
01:04:44.713 --> 01:04:50.385
I was just like, that's like the moment when you for me personally, like, if I, like, stay at a guy's house, like, here's a toothbrush.
01:04:50.385 --> 01:04:55.224
And it's like, the first time I'm staying over, I'm like, oh, you have backup toothbrush.
01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:58.018
Like, you've done this. Yeah, yeah.
01:04:58.018 --> 01:05:00.228
So yeah, me like, that's when I would be out.
01:05:00.228 --> 01:05:01.606
I'd be like, no, I have room.
01:05:01.606 --> 01:05:03.523
Like I'm out of the situation.
01:05:03.523 --> 01:05:08.320
But the fact that she seems more naive, like, not in modern times.
01:05:09.070 --> 01:05:09.487
Yeah.
01:05:09.487 --> 01:05:16.786
She, like, doesn't really seem to understand what that means right away, which I think it's fascinating because she understands a lot.
01:05:17.121 --> 01:05:17.621
So yeah.
01:05:17.621 --> 01:05:17.954
Yeah.
01:05:17.954 --> 01:05:27.882
Like I do think that she is aware that she is probably there's been a long line, but in those little particular moments she doesn't put those together.
01:05:27.882 --> 01:05:30.300
It doesn't seem like she is against it.
01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:36.264
You know, it's sort of like she's more like doesn't fully understand what the situation is going to be.
01:05:36.264 --> 01:05:37.891
She's like, oh, okay.
01:05:37.891 --> 01:05:39.893
This is what what time do we wake up?
01:05:39.893 --> 01:05:45.775
Oh, we have whenever, whenever I want when I yes, when I wake you I would go to sleep at midnight, wake up at four.
01:05:45.775 --> 01:05:47.652
I would be like, no, no, no, you need to tell me.
01:05:47.652 --> 01:05:49.737
Yeah, I need to schedule what time I need.
01:05:49.737 --> 01:05:52.572
You know, he's just knocking ten minutes or whatever it is.
01:05:52.572 --> 01:05:53.365
I'd be serious.
01:05:53.365 --> 01:05:58.871
But then when she's talking to the doctor, she has a sense of pride of like, no one can stand as long as I can.
01:05:58.996 --> 01:06:00.206
Yeah. For hours.
01:06:00.206 --> 01:06:02.625
And it doesn't seem like she's complaining about it.
01:06:02.625 --> 01:06:06.545
So that's probably an aspect of their dynamic that goes well for him.
01:06:06.545 --> 01:06:10.340
Standing going back to your cereal is always right bit. Yes.
01:06:10.340 --> 01:06:20.141
I think that's also him letting her know like alma that like I like without him saying it, you are going to be my next muse or whatever it is.
01:06:20.141 --> 01:06:22.478
So you need to know that cereal is like that.
01:06:22.478 --> 01:06:24.063
Lying to her alma to.
01:06:24.063 --> 01:06:25.815
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, her to her.
01:06:25.815 --> 01:06:27.315
And she's always going to be right.
01:06:27.315 --> 01:06:28.693
Yeah. Don't argue with her.
01:06:28.693 --> 01:06:30.820
That's stupid. We we are aligned.
01:06:30.820 --> 01:06:34.782
And if we're not aligned, we're going to, you know, have a little spat at breakfast and then we'll get on the same page.
01:06:34.782 --> 01:06:37.576
Speaking of which, breakfast three. Breakfast three.
01:06:37.576 --> 01:06:41.246
This is where almost loud buttering or toast is eating breakfast.
01:06:41.246 --> 01:06:50.672
I know, I actually thought about it you I actually thought about it like I, I had a bit in my head where I was going to make, toast, like badly burnt toast.
01:06:50.672 --> 01:06:55.594
And every time Nick spoke, I was going to like, oh my God, you probably could not rub it, but like, pretend to be loud.
01:06:55.844 --> 01:06:57.637
But then I thought would just be a little too messy.
01:06:57.637 --> 01:07:00.099
Say I butter your toast, period. It.
01:07:00.099 --> 01:07:03.476
Yeah, it was entirely too much movement at breakfast and I loved it.
01:07:04.561 --> 01:07:05.730
That's when she's trying to be nice.
01:07:05.730 --> 01:07:11.110
Like, you know, his when his routines when he's in them are very important and almost like he's too fussy.
01:07:11.110 --> 01:07:11.235
Yeah.
01:07:11.235 --> 01:07:14.780
So just kind of, you know, rolls her eyes and is maybe you should take your breakfast.
01:07:14.780 --> 01:07:17.449
Yeah, but still, he's too fussy and you kind of see cereal.
01:07:17.449 --> 01:07:18.701
Want to go?
01:07:18.701 --> 01:07:20.702
I know, but that's not what this is.
01:07:20.702 --> 01:07:22.829
You kind of see it.
01:07:20.702 --> 01:07:22.829
They're like, oh, I like that.
01:07:22.829 --> 01:07:24.581
She's cutting back a little bit.
01:07:24.581 --> 01:07:25.875
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:25.875 --> 01:07:26.625
It's perfect.
01:07:26.625 --> 01:07:29.170
It's just the right there dynamic is great too.
01:07:29.170 --> 01:07:32.172
Almond series cereal is great too.
01:07:36.427 --> 01:07:39.429
Please don't move so much. I'm.
01:07:43.141 --> 01:07:46.394
I'm buttering my toast and not moving too much.
01:07:46.603 --> 01:07:48.521
It's too much.
01:07:48.521 --> 01:07:50.858
It's a distraction. It's very distracting.
01:07:55.362 --> 01:07:59.449
Maybe you pay too much attention to it.
01:08:00.701 --> 01:08:05.831
It's hard to ignore this if you just rode a horse across the room.
01:08:11.211 --> 01:08:13.797
There's too much movement.
01:08:13.797 --> 01:08:15.800
It's entirely too much movement.
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:18.802
At breakfast.
01:08:29.354 --> 01:08:30.523
Next scene is a photo shoot.
01:08:30.523 --> 01:08:32.024
You guys remember this are like taking pictures.
01:08:32.024 --> 01:08:33.609
Is that he does like. Yeah.
01:08:33.609 --> 01:08:35.319
So he's on the ground looking up at her.
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:37.279
Yeah. So so enamored.
01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:38.530
Doesn't really.
01:08:38.530 --> 01:08:40.573
He doesn't do, like, the publicity stuff.
01:08:40.573 --> 01:08:42.076
So like to do publicity stills.
01:08:42.076 --> 01:08:43.327
You come back and do that later.
01:08:43.327 --> 01:08:45.996
Typically ADR he's not into.
01:08:45.996 --> 01:08:55.296
So every poster in every production stills from this movie is from this scene because it was like, I'm never going to get this back, this dude back to take like a picture for poster.
01:08:55.296 --> 01:09:03.221
So if you look at all the materials, it's either his, profile when he's in her restaurant thinking like, oh my God, am I going to pursue her?
01:09:03.221 --> 01:09:06.600
Or it's him, like sitting down, looking up at her and I love that shit, I love it.
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.936
You got to know who you're working with and know, like, let's do the poster.
01:09:09.936 --> 01:09:11.646
Now. Let's just get out of the way.
01:09:09.936 --> 01:09:11.646
Yeah. Love it.
01:09:11.646 --> 01:09:13.064
So that adds a little.
01:09:13.064 --> 01:09:21.407
Actually, that scene I like went back and looked because when he gets up and walks away, she's like so mesmerized by him and he doesn't even look at her.
01:09:18.945 --> 01:09:21.407
It's like he just like gets up.
01:09:21.407 --> 01:09:22.365
He's like, okay, I'm done.
01:09:22.365 --> 01:09:24.743
I've working on yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.
01:09:24.743 --> 01:09:27.287
So like, I don't want to do this. Yeah. Oh my God.
01:09:28.288 --> 01:09:28.497
Yeah.
01:09:28.497 --> 01:09:37.422
They have the, the first big, I guess like show, like they're showing a lot of his dresses with the numbers and he's all like, frantic and talking to the people and all that stuff.
01:09:37.422 --> 01:09:43.179
And then after that, it's his first, the first time we see this slum of sorts where he's really down.
01:09:43.179 --> 01:09:45.555
And I love that they just get into the car to go to the country.
01:09:45.555 --> 01:09:46.974
And she's like, why don't you let me drive?
01:09:46.974 --> 01:09:49.475
Oh, you. Yeah, that's like something that zero would say.
01:09:49.475 --> 01:09:55.440
Zero would be like, you know, go to the country and like but it she is anticipating this and she hasn't seen this mood from him yet.
01:09:55.649 --> 01:09:58.819
She's like Well how would I drive you and it's like okay.
01:09:58.819 --> 01:10:01.488
And then that's the first like, he's such a baby.
01:10:01.488 --> 01:10:02.907
It's the same surrender.
01:10:02.907 --> 01:10:04.658
Yeah. As to maybe you should go in the country.
01:10:04.658 --> 01:10:07.118
Yeah. He's just is like, synthetic good.
01:10:07.118 --> 01:10:11.372
And I think that's maybe where Ahmed starts to figure out where the power is.
01:10:11.539 --> 01:10:12.166
Yeah, sure.
01:10:12.166 --> 01:10:15.043
Oh, I don't want to take care of this.
01:10:12.166 --> 01:10:15.043
I can read him.
01:10:15.043 --> 01:10:16.420
Yeah, I can call the shots.
01:10:16.420 --> 01:10:19.715
Like when he's weak, I can make him strong again.
01:10:19.715 --> 01:10:22.051
And I think that's what keeps her around.
01:10:22.051 --> 01:10:26.846
She, like, finds her own power in being able to, like, be the one to get him back.
01:10:27.765 --> 01:10:29.766
So, yeah, that moment's funny where she can.
01:10:29.766 --> 01:10:32.228
She, like, knows what to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:32.228 --> 01:10:35.564
And then just a few days later, he's back to normal self.
01:10:35.689 --> 01:10:37.899
One of my favorite scenes from the movie.
01:10:37.899 --> 01:10:40.277
Just a nice lady bringing in tea for her.
01:10:40.277 --> 01:10:42.904
Dude, she brings it in. I didn't ask for tea.
01:10:42.904 --> 01:10:44.489
And then, you know, the back and forth.
01:10:44.489 --> 01:10:45.908
Okay. I'm leaving. I'm going out.
01:10:45.908 --> 01:10:46.908
The tea is going out.
01:10:46.908 --> 01:10:49.286
The interruption stays right here with me.
01:10:49.286 --> 01:10:51.579
I do like Jesus Christ, dude.
01:10:51.579 --> 01:10:54.041
It's just my favorite line in the movie to favorite.
01:10:54.041 --> 01:11:02.048
Like, I don't even know if he wrote it because he says he's like, that is the scene where I just die and you go back and rewatch Daniel Day-Lewis sincere, right?
01:11:02.131 --> 01:11:05.051
It's interrupted just right here with me.
01:11:05.051 --> 01:11:10.224
My God, is that what I was saying earlier about the person in my life?
01:11:10.224 --> 01:11:11.684
He's never said that.
01:11:11.684 --> 01:11:14.435
Oh, that's 100% the like.
01:11:14.435 --> 01:11:22.653
The subtext behind his behavior is like, you've done this, but my inner the interruption has ruined the rest of track.
01:11:22.987 --> 01:11:27.908
And I'm like, oh shit, okay, I didn't ask for tea, I love it.
01:11:28.367 --> 01:11:31.578
Scuse me. God, oh my God.
01:11:31.578 --> 01:11:32.412
Breakfast for.
01:11:32.412 --> 01:11:34.664
We already touched on it almost eating properly.
01:11:34.664 --> 01:11:38.210
And this one, this is when Cyril drops a bomb that Reynolds is going to have to attend.
01:11:38.210 --> 01:11:43.756
Reynolds Woodcock is going to have to attend the wedding of what Barbara Rose Burrows pays for this house.
01:11:43.756 --> 01:11:49.595
I love it, and he's like, I love when he kind of tosses away something like, oh God, I don't want to have to do that.
01:11:49.595 --> 01:11:51.515
Or oh, this is like ruin my day.
01:11:51.515 --> 01:11:53.766
And Cyril just goes, chin up. Yeah.
01:11:53.766 --> 01:11:56.686
And he gives her that look. Barbaro's pays for this house.
01:11:56.686 --> 01:11:58.396
Oh, that's actually, like, an interesting thing.
01:11:58.396 --> 01:12:00.649
Or like, you do see, like his weakness in terms of a.
01:12:00.649 --> 01:12:06.863
Yeah, he's like this grand artist, but it's like he works for the women of love, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
01:12:06.863 --> 01:12:08.865
It's like, you know, he runs the show.
01:12:08.865 --> 01:12:12.036
He's not to ultimately top dog.
01:12:12.036 --> 01:12:14.872
Like I think that's an interesting thing.
01:12:12.036 --> 01:12:14.872
Yeah, yeah.
01:12:14.872 --> 01:12:16.748
Just had this thought. Okay.
01:12:18.250 --> 01:12:20.836
We never see him with another man.
01:12:20.836 --> 01:12:24.672
No not I mean he's with like like his like dinner.
01:12:24.672 --> 01:12:26.091
Yeah. Yeah. Dinner.
01:12:26.091 --> 01:12:27.967
Like sells his dresses. He's that great.
01:12:27.967 --> 01:12:30.136
Like, we never see his dynamic.
01:12:30.136 --> 01:12:32.430
Like his life has always been women.
01:12:32.430 --> 01:12:34.224
Yeah. That's a huge part of it. Yeah.
01:12:34.224 --> 01:12:35.809
He never talks about that. Yeah.
01:12:35.809 --> 01:12:38.145
Never talks about that. It's his mom. It's his sister.
01:12:38.145 --> 01:12:39.104
It's all these women.
01:12:39.104 --> 01:12:42.106
All the women of the house are women. Yep.
01:12:42.315 --> 01:12:46.194
Oh, yeah, I mean, he it's not like, you know, he says hi to Carl.
01:12:46.194 --> 01:12:47.320
Like him. No, no. Yeah.
01:12:47.320 --> 01:12:51.492
He interacts with men, but, like, he doesn't have a friend who doesn't have.
01:12:51.742 --> 01:12:57.831
And there's certainly never a scene with him where he needs to be in kind of competition with another man.
01:12:57.831 --> 01:12:58.457
Right thing.
01:12:58.457 --> 01:13:01.210
Right?
01:12:58.457 --> 01:13:06.465
I just never really noticed that this is, like, his whole entire life is dominated by the women around him.
01:13:06.465 --> 01:13:08.175
It's embarrassing, but he's the dominant.
01:13:08.175 --> 01:13:11.136
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
01:13:11.677 --> 01:13:13.596
But he's not.
01:13:13.596 --> 01:13:15.681
He's weak. Like.
01:13:15.681 --> 01:13:18.185
Yes. Yes. Very weak.
01:13:18.185 --> 01:13:19.353
Ego bruised man.
01:13:19.353 --> 01:13:21.396
Yeah. They go to the wedding, Barbara Rose's wedding.
01:13:21.396 --> 01:13:23.815
Get the dress back.
01:13:21.396 --> 01:13:23.815
They kiss in the street.
01:13:23.815 --> 01:13:26.109
Then breakfast five is when.
01:13:26.109 --> 01:13:29.654
That's when he's in the exceptional mood and he puts in the big breakfast order.
01:13:29.654 --> 01:13:32.240
You know, I'm so glad we have cream with the cream.
01:13:32.240 --> 01:13:34.827
Yeah, it's like it's gnarly, but I'm so glad we have it.
01:13:34.827 --> 01:13:37.787
I love that, like, it's okay to get fat, but I'm happy.
01:13:37.787 --> 01:13:40.082
Yeah. Yeah. I mean kind of. Yeah, yeah.
01:13:40.082 --> 01:13:41.500
And then that's what, that's what they say.
01:13:41.500 --> 01:13:41.750
Yeah.
01:13:41.750 --> 01:13:44.795
The relationship like like 15 pounds is what it is.
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:46.755
Sure. Never had that. Sure. Well.
01:13:47.797 --> 01:13:49.425
Well never been married.
01:13:49.425 --> 01:13:50.591
Yeah.
01:13:50.591 --> 01:13:52.886
There you go then.
01:13:52.886 --> 01:13:59.143
The Miss Royal Highness arrives and almost is treated like a lady of the house, like she's just another one.
01:13:59.143 --> 01:14:02.645
And, you know, she goes over, she has to make herself stick out.
01:14:02.895 --> 01:14:07.359
And I think it's because of that that the dinner situation is.
01:14:07.650 --> 01:14:08.694
That's where it manifest.
01:14:08.694 --> 01:14:13.282
Because she goes, okay, there's this new, very attractive, like, woman that he's making a dress for.
01:14:13.282 --> 01:14:14.615
He's around pretty women all the time.
01:14:14.615 --> 01:14:17.743
I'm going to do something nice for him, and I'm going to make him dinner my way.
01:14:17.743 --> 01:14:20.956
And her explaining it to Cyril and Cyril, just going.
01:14:21.539 --> 01:14:22.498
It's not his birthday.
01:14:22.498 --> 01:14:25.877
It's just it's like, I really don't think it's a good idea.
01:14:25.877 --> 01:14:35.261
Like, I, I highly advise against it, but it says something that Cyril let her lets her do it, knowing like Cyril let her do everything actually like.
01:14:35.261 --> 01:14:39.224
Okay, sweetie, if this is, if this is what you want to do, and then yeah, now we can properly.
01:14:39.224 --> 01:14:43.561
We talked about a lot of it, but this dinner fight is we talk about movie arguments a lot on the part.
01:14:43.561 --> 01:14:44.354
We love arguments.
01:14:44.354 --> 01:14:46.564
And this is just such a great one.
01:14:46.564 --> 01:14:49.318
I mean, it's really an all timer. Asparagus.
01:14:49.318 --> 01:14:50.319
Is this my house?
01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:52.695
Do you have a gun? Oh, my God, are you to kill me?
01:14:52.695 --> 01:14:55.032
It's got it's so good, right?
01:14:55.032 --> 01:15:02.331
If I don't protect myself, somebody will come in the middle of the night and take over my corner of the room and ask me about the fucking asparagus.
01:15:03.414 --> 01:15:05.250
Other things I'd like to do with my time.
01:15:05.250 --> 01:15:06.251
It's my time.
01:15:06.251 --> 01:15:08.921
No time doing here. In your time.
01:15:08.921 --> 01:15:11.465
What am I doing here? I'm standing around like an idiot.
01:15:11.465 --> 01:15:12.216
Waiting for you.
01:15:12.216 --> 01:15:13.091
Waiting for word.
01:15:13.091 --> 01:15:16.094
Waiting for you. Waiting for what?
01:15:16.677 --> 01:15:19.680
Waiting for you to get rid of me.
01:15:20.431 --> 01:15:22.184
To tell me to leave.
01:15:22.184 --> 01:15:27.064
So tell me so I don't stand around like a fucking fool.
01:15:27.189 --> 01:15:28.731
Spartacus. Is this all about you?
01:15:28.731 --> 01:15:30.692
It's not about asparagus.
01:15:30.692 --> 01:15:32.319
Hell, is it about you?
01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:36.448
A special agent sent here to ruin my evening and possibly my entire life.
01:15:36.448 --> 01:15:37.365
So rude to me.
01:15:37.365 --> 01:15:39.451
Why are you talking to me?
01:15:37.365 --> 01:15:39.451
This is my house.
01:15:39.451 --> 01:15:40.661
This is my house, isn't it?
01:15:40.661 --> 01:15:42.787
Is this my house? Of course it's your.
01:15:42.787 --> 01:15:46.875
Oh, did somebody drop me in foreign soil behind enemy lines?
01:15:46.958 --> 01:15:48.710
I'm surrounded on all sides.
01:15:48.710 --> 01:15:51.128
It's you who brought me here.
01:15:48.710 --> 01:15:51.128
When the hell did this happen?
01:15:51.128 --> 01:15:53.590
Who are you? Do you have a gun?
01:15:53.590 --> 01:15:55.341
You here to kill me?
01:15:55.341 --> 01:16:01.597
Why? Do you have a gun? Stop it! Where's your gun? Oh, God! Stop! Take your gun.
01:16:01.597 --> 01:16:03.725
Stop playing this game.
01:16:03.725 --> 01:16:05.894
I'm playing a game. Yes.
01:16:05.894 --> 01:16:08.479
What game I play? What game?
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:10.899
What precisely is the nature of my game?
01:16:10.899 --> 01:16:21.827
You tell me. Oh, this whole, I love it, I love it, and then her not, you know, knowing how to express all these rules and, you know that.
01:16:21.868 --> 01:16:29.042
And then, the way that he ends of my life is so bad, you can fuck, fuck off back to where you came from.
01:16:29.042 --> 01:16:30.668
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:30.668 --> 01:16:32.296
It's so it's so good.
01:16:32.296 --> 01:16:34.422
And it's also very relatable.
01:16:34.422 --> 01:16:38.176
You know, I feel like the fact that she calls him out of, like, you're lying.
01:16:38.176 --> 01:16:41.137
Like, I know that you're, you know, you don't like the food.
01:16:41.137 --> 01:16:48.185
I think she is really feeling the sense of, like, I actually know you now, so, like, why are you going away from me?
01:16:48.185 --> 01:16:50.439
And I think that's normal for a lot of people.
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:55.193
It's like once you finally do feel like you're getting somewhere, then the other person starts to retreat.
01:16:55.484 --> 01:16:57.362
And I think that's where it's coming from.
01:16:57.362 --> 01:16:57.487
Yeah.
01:16:57.487 --> 01:17:07.497
Like her insecurities are starting to pop up and I, I don't know, I think it's like a very relatable argument, you know, that absolutely is.
01:17:07.497 --> 01:17:10.167
And then he like, makes it absurd by bringing up the gun thing.
01:17:10.167 --> 01:17:11.542
It's like, yeah, just push aside.
01:17:11.542 --> 01:17:14.003
What is the nature of my game. Yeah.
01:17:14.003 --> 01:17:15.838
So you're picking pick, pick pick.
01:17:15.838 --> 01:17:16.422
Yeah, yeah.
01:17:16.422 --> 01:17:19.384
Because she's one who says like, why are you why are you being childish.
01:17:19.384 --> 01:17:21.219
Basically like playing this game.
01:17:21.219 --> 01:17:28.100
And instead of him being like, okay, you've called me out, he just he keeps double doubles down.
01:17:28.185 --> 01:17:33.481
Yeah, but why does she had to make the butter like, she knows doing it his her way.
01:17:33.481 --> 01:17:35.274
She's trying to.
01:17:35.274 --> 01:17:37.319
There are two people in this. Yeah.
01:17:35.274 --> 01:17:37.319
There's good.
01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:39.863
She knows that he's not going to like it.
01:17:39.863 --> 01:17:40.780
Not necessarily.
01:17:40.780 --> 01:17:42.948
What if it's the best damn asparagus he's ever had?
01:17:42.948 --> 01:17:43.783
But he doesn't know.
01:17:43.783 --> 01:17:48.162
He's only eating it with oil for the past fucking 20 years or something every Wednesday.
01:17:48.162 --> 01:17:50.748
And I know she's trying to, like, stake her claim. Yeah.
01:17:50.748 --> 01:17:51.041
You know.
01:17:51.041 --> 01:17:54.211
Yes. Exactly equal say in this relationship, but.
01:17:54.211 --> 01:17:59.466
Oh, the amount of salt he keeps for it. So she's she's looking at it.
01:17:59.466 --> 01:18:11.978
She doesn't just eat it with his fingers, you know, and I forget exactly the wording of it, but it's like I'm mostly unsurprised at my not my gall, but am I ability to be able to keep the food down? Yeah.
01:18:11.978 --> 01:18:13.270
How bad could it be?
01:18:13.270 --> 01:18:16.065
Like, it's just it's very stupid. Yes.
01:18:16.065 --> 01:18:17.859
Oh. He's trying so hard.
01:18:17.859 --> 01:18:18.402
She really is.
01:18:18.402 --> 01:18:20.695
She is what I meant to say. This isn't.
01:18:20.695 --> 01:18:21.488
Yeah, yeah.
01:18:21.488 --> 01:18:23.864
Nice dinner. Yeah. And she's not.
01:18:23.864 --> 01:18:27.034
I think that scene is really great too, because she is not a very.
01:18:27.034 --> 01:18:30.037
And I mean, this like, respectfully, she's not a very eloquent person.
01:18:30.622 --> 01:18:36.670
She, she's very like, even in that one scene where she goes and talks to the girl, where she gets a little insecure.
01:18:36.670 --> 01:18:37.087
Yeah.
01:18:37.087 --> 01:18:39.965
You know, she introduces herself and then she just like, I live here.
01:18:39.965 --> 01:18:40.631
Yes. Yeah.
01:18:40.631 --> 01:18:42.134
Like like, okay.
01:18:42.134 --> 01:18:42.676
That's all.
01:18:42.676 --> 01:18:47.680
Like, that's my way of trying to stake my claim, but like, yeah, it's it's not well thought out.
01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:48.765
It's not.
01:18:48.765 --> 01:18:53.895
She's very well intentioned and you get the motivation, but she doesn't speak it necessarily correctly.
01:18:53.895 --> 01:18:56.355
And I think this scene is a great example of that.
01:18:56.355 --> 01:18:58.274
Like the yeah this and that.
01:18:58.274 --> 01:19:04.530
But by the time it's all said and done, like her point is absolutely made and it's right.
01:19:04.739 --> 01:19:06.032
Yeah. Oh of course it is.
01:19:06.032 --> 01:19:07.743
She should have made the butter. Jesus.
01:19:07.743 --> 01:19:13.622
I mean, there's got to be another way to stake your claim, but I feel like you have to get their attention, you know? Yeah.
01:19:13.622 --> 01:19:15.332
No, for sure is perfect way it was done.
01:19:15.332 --> 01:19:15.583
Yeah.
01:19:15.583 --> 01:19:19.755
I just get emotionally triggered by this, and I don't know, I don't know.
01:19:19.755 --> 01:19:24.134
I mean, she made a whole ass meal and he just bailed out in the first course.
01:19:24.301 --> 01:19:25.510
That's fucked up. Who knows?
01:19:25.510 --> 01:19:28.430
She could have had everything else prepared exactly to his liking.
01:19:28.430 --> 01:19:29.805
That's not kind. It's.
01:19:29.805 --> 01:19:32.768
It certainly wasn't going to be prepared to his liking.
01:19:32.768 --> 01:19:34.644
Well, I don't know.
01:19:34.644 --> 01:19:36.563
Maybe she just tried really hard.
01:19:36.563 --> 01:19:38.564
She didn't she try to all the same day.
01:19:38.564 --> 01:19:40.358
I feel for her because I feel like.
01:19:40.358 --> 01:19:50.534
Yeah, that's it's like that pattern where it's like you want to be closer to someone, so you like, push even more in that way. And that's exactly what happens.
01:19:50.534 --> 01:19:52.537
Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's such a good scene.
01:19:52.537 --> 01:19:55.916
And the reason why she's here in the house of Woodcock. Cos.
01:19:55.916 --> 01:19:59.336
So he can have that hammer line whenever he wants.
01:19:59.418 --> 01:20:00.337
Whose house is this?
01:20:00.337 --> 01:20:01.505
Is this my house?
01:20:01.505 --> 01:20:03.715
Did you, did you send foreign agents in here?
01:20:03.715 --> 01:20:04.632
And he's.
01:20:04.632 --> 01:20:07.092
The point is my house, my rules.
01:20:04.632 --> 01:20:07.092
So it's going to be my way.
01:20:07.092 --> 01:20:09.220
And it's like, well, not if you want her to be here, buddy.
01:20:09.220 --> 01:20:09.554
Yeah.
01:20:09.554 --> 01:20:15.185
And she goes straight from, you know, you can fuck off back to where you came from, straight to mushrooms.
01:20:15.185 --> 01:20:16.269
That's what we do.
01:20:16.269 --> 01:20:24.944
Because she's learned from the, you know, another lady in the house that the ones with gills or whatever, there's a book that tells you exactly which ones are poisonous, which ones are good.
01:20:24.944 --> 01:20:26.320
So she preps them.
01:20:26.320 --> 01:20:27.613
The music's really going here.
01:20:27.613 --> 01:20:30.158
It's like pounding boom, boom. She.
01:20:30.158 --> 01:20:31.701
I'm so curious.
01:20:31.701 --> 01:20:33.869
Like, has she done this before?
01:20:33.869 --> 01:20:38.875
Because she seems so, like, confident but calm.
01:20:38.875 --> 01:20:40.836
And she's confident in that.
01:20:40.836 --> 01:20:43.630
She will likely get sick but will not die.
01:20:43.630 --> 01:20:44.797
I don't know one thing.
01:20:44.797 --> 01:20:49.010
She's trying to kill him because, you know, she literally prepares a thimble, a mouthful.
01:20:49.010 --> 01:20:52.471
So it's like she's preparing it, dumps it into the tea, and she thinks about it.
01:20:52.471 --> 01:20:55.140
But yeah, I mean, has she done something like this?
01:20:55.140 --> 01:20:56.643
I wouldn't put it past her. Right?
01:20:56.643 --> 01:20:59.061
Because it was like, who goes to that length of like, okay, right.
01:20:59.061 --> 01:21:02.690
I'll make him need me. Yeah, yeah.
01:21:02.690 --> 01:21:17.831
Yes, I, I think she's done it before I, I don't think she has only in the sense that I think there is legitimate concern when he first gets sick, where I wonder if she's thinking maybe I gave him too much.
01:21:17.831 --> 01:21:22.627
I think so, like, I think there's some mistake in her of like, how bad is this actually going to.
01:21:22.627 --> 01:21:28.091
Yeah, like like I meant to do this for sure, but I the whole entire point was that he doesn't die.
01:21:30.010 --> 01:21:32.554
This might be a little next time I do this.
01:21:32.554 --> 01:21:33.470
Half a thimble.
01:21:33.470 --> 01:21:33.805
Right?
01:21:33.805 --> 01:21:37.350
Like like I'm thinking of that, but I don't know.
01:21:37.391 --> 01:21:46.775
It's there that the poisoning is may have been the first time, but that definitely has, like, because it's that way of thinking where it's sort of like, I need him to need me.
01:21:46.775 --> 01:21:49.487
Yeah. What can I do?
01:21:49.487 --> 01:21:54.576
I feel like she has some shady past, like there's almost just one of those men that I'm like, wow.
01:21:54.576 --> 01:21:56.411
Like, she won't let up. No.
01:21:56.411 --> 01:21:58.496
And she is persistent. Yeah.
01:21:58.496 --> 01:22:01.498
So I'm like, I think she's done something shady before I.
01:22:01.541 --> 01:22:02.626
Yeah. And like it.
01:22:02.626 --> 01:22:06.546
And this is the allegory is like to be in a relationship means to be poison.
01:22:06.546 --> 01:22:11.760
Sure, sure. Yeah. Of course she, She's poisoned him.
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:13.136
And during breakfast.
01:22:13.136 --> 01:22:13.886
Breakfast six.
01:22:13.886 --> 01:22:16.180
This is when Cyril asked Reynolds if she.
01:22:16.180 --> 01:22:17.681
If he wants alma to leave.
01:22:17.681 --> 01:22:19.434
And then, you know, don't don't pick a fight with me.
01:22:19.434 --> 01:22:20.685
You won't come out alive.
01:22:20.685 --> 01:22:21.269
I love that.
01:22:21.269 --> 01:22:27.233
I love him, and he looks like not his hair is a little disheveled, so maybe something isn't, you know, and the wedding dress is ready.
01:22:27.233 --> 01:22:30.987
And him just, like, inspecting the dress and and falling over on it.
01:22:31.154 --> 01:22:36.868
And one of my favorite scenes are the women in the house going to be being like, Mr.
01:22:37.034 --> 01:22:37.993
Woodcock is sick.
01:22:37.993 --> 01:22:40.956
And she's like, who had he fell in the dress?
01:22:41.288 --> 01:22:47.252
Who did he just like, can't compute with my brother's, like, never been sick in his entire life.
01:22:47.252 --> 01:22:50.172
He eats like everything's a routine.
01:22:47.252 --> 01:22:50.172
So what is this?
01:22:50.172 --> 01:22:53.676
And then, yeah, the dynamic of she really trying to.
01:22:53.676 --> 01:22:55.845
Cyril trying to assert her.
01:22:55.845 --> 01:22:56.805
You know, this is what we do.
01:22:56.805 --> 01:22:58.847
I've called the doctor, and I'm just like, you know.
01:22:58.847 --> 01:23:00.432
No. And I love them.
01:23:00.432 --> 01:23:02.978
Let me be unambiguous.
01:23:00.432 --> 01:23:02.978
You will leave the room right now.
01:23:02.978 --> 01:23:03.728
Come to the doctor.
01:23:03.728 --> 01:23:06.898
So they both have their points that they listen to.
01:23:06.939 --> 01:23:08.233
They don't like budge on those.
01:23:08.233 --> 01:23:10.859
And I you see a mutual respect coming out here.
01:23:10.859 --> 01:23:13.904
This is the one time, though, that alma actually listens to her.
01:23:14.447 --> 01:23:16.365
Who? Cyril. Yeah. Like when she comes out.
01:23:16.365 --> 01:23:18.118
Yeah, because I think she's afraid. Yeah.
01:23:18.118 --> 01:23:20.494
I think she's like, oh, this could be.
01:23:20.494 --> 01:23:21.162
I might be fucked up.
01:23:21.162 --> 01:23:21.496
Maybe.
01:23:21.496 --> 01:23:24.373
I went to movies and tells the doctor to fuck off.
01:23:24.373 --> 01:23:26.333
I love that, but there's a strange man.
01:23:26.333 --> 01:23:28.712
There's a strange young man in the room.
01:23:26.333 --> 01:23:28.712
Please ask him to leave.
01:23:30.380 --> 01:23:36.886
And then, of course, gonna bring it down a little bit, because this is this is just one of my favorite film scenes of all time.
01:23:36.886 --> 01:23:39.264
This is the entire ethos of the movie for me.
01:23:39.264 --> 01:23:42.057
Never cursed by Jonny Greenwood begin to play.
01:23:42.057 --> 01:23:49.774
He's Reynolds is like, still in this fugue poisoned state, and he has a vision of his mother in the wedding dress that he's made in him.
01:23:49.774 --> 01:23:54.279
I actually can't repeat the lines that he says, because I'll start crying because that's what happens.
01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:55.738
Makes me cry every time I think it is.
01:23:55.738 --> 01:23:58.449
So it really just sums up the movie for me.
01:23:58.449 --> 01:24:03.287
Like, I, you know, I hear you, I see you in my dreams and I hear you speaking.
01:24:03.287 --> 01:24:07.751
And then I wake up and then we don't see her talking, but he's like, I can't hear what you're saying.
01:24:07.751 --> 01:24:11.296
And then alma comes in and that actress is still there, but alma isn't here.
01:24:11.421 --> 01:24:13.172
It's just beautiful to me.
01:24:13.172 --> 01:24:20.095
I it's my it's one of my favorite moments in any film, certainly of the century so far. I just love it the whole way. It's staged.
01:24:20.095 --> 01:24:22.222
And you know, she's just in the corner.
01:24:22.222 --> 01:24:23.891
It's just great and it's so simple.
01:24:23.891 --> 01:24:24.893
Yeah, that's the thing.
01:24:24.893 --> 01:24:27.436
That's what I love about this is one angle on him.
01:24:27.436 --> 01:24:28.563
His voice is really.
01:24:28.563 --> 01:24:30.064
Yeah. Like down here.
01:24:30.064 --> 01:24:30.606
Oh, I love it.
01:24:30.606 --> 01:24:32.817
Are you here? I really hear so good.
01:24:34.694 --> 01:24:37.697
Are you here?
01:24:46.206 --> 01:24:49.208
Are you always here?
01:24:55.715 --> 01:24:58.717
I miss you.
01:25:00.552 --> 01:25:03.555
I think about you all the time.
01:25:07.393 --> 01:25:10.354
I hear your voice say my name when I dream.
01:25:12.481 --> 01:25:13.774
And when I wake up.
01:25:13.774 --> 01:25:16.778
With tears streaming down my face.
01:25:23.451 --> 01:25:24.786
I just miss you.
01:25:24.786 --> 01:25:27.788
Simple as that.
01:25:29.414 --> 01:25:32.417
I'd tell you everything.
01:25:39.341 --> 01:25:42.345
I don't understand what you're saying.
01:25:44.889 --> 01:25:47.891
I can't hear your voice.
01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:55.817
Then he wakes up and we get that gorgeous single shot starts under the skin.
01:25:55.817 --> 01:25:57.443
Kitchen table or some table.
01:25:57.443 --> 01:26:00.488
He goes in like, I think bites Alma's feet or something.
01:26:00.488 --> 01:26:02.865
Wakes her up. Yeah. You know, will you marry me?
01:26:02.865 --> 01:26:04.993
I love that, but I love this moment.
01:26:04.993 --> 01:26:07.828
I love the moment, though, like it takes her so.
01:26:07.828 --> 01:26:08.621
Oh, yes.
01:26:08.621 --> 01:26:12.082
Because I think she's definitely like, do I tell him that it was me?
01:26:12.167 --> 01:26:15.377
I mean, I think she's really contemplating like, can I.
01:26:15.377 --> 01:26:17.963
I never thought about that.
01:26:17.963 --> 01:26:19.631
Wow. I think you're right.
01:26:19.631 --> 01:26:22.260
I think she's probably weighing that, like, should I tell him?
01:26:22.260 --> 01:26:22.844
Yeah.
01:26:22.844 --> 01:26:23.552
Oh yeah.
01:26:23.552 --> 01:26:25.721
Not like, I don't know if I should marry this guy.
01:26:25.721 --> 01:26:27.140
There's that extra layer to it.
01:26:27.140 --> 01:26:32.060
Like, should I admit this because this marriage I had back then, like marriage was binding forever.
01:26:32.060 --> 01:26:37.274
Yeah. So it's like, I think for her, she's really like, can he know who I fully am?
01:26:37.274 --> 01:26:38.234
And like, what I did?
01:26:38.234 --> 01:26:41.695
Yeah, that's totally what I think she was like about some maybe.
01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:43.198
Absolutely.
01:26:43.198 --> 01:26:46.242
And there's also like, this is a two hitter.
01:26:46.868 --> 01:26:49.746
I don't know if it's an expression I don't three hitter.
01:26:49.746 --> 01:26:51.288
I don't know what you're about to talk about.
01:26:51.288 --> 01:26:55.001
So he says both I know okay I love you.
01:26:55.001 --> 01:26:57.921
And will you marry me? He's never said I love you before, right? I love you.
01:26:57.921 --> 01:26:58.880
I mean, that's how he starts.
01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:03.009
It's so it's so it's I love you, which she's been, like, searching for because she's said it.
01:27:03.009 --> 01:27:05.636
She said him and he's never said it back.
01:27:05.636 --> 01:27:07.805
And then it's followed by Will you marry me? Yeah.
01:27:07.805 --> 01:27:16.689
Which is a very interesting thing to me, because I'm sort of like, he was not going to make this decision because maybe he's never actually loved anyone before.
01:27:16.689 --> 01:27:19.524
I don't think I don't know if he's ever been taken care of in that way.
01:27:19.524 --> 01:27:21.903
Yeah, mama, or something like that.
01:27:21.903 --> 01:27:25.030
For who can't have in action with. Yeah.
01:27:25.073 --> 01:27:27.408
But then here's the question.
01:27:27.408 --> 01:27:37.710
This as a guy who's basically just like he's been taken care of to a point where, oh, you've done such a wonderful thing for me.
01:27:37.710 --> 01:27:40.712
Now I realize that I love you, and now I want to marry you.
01:27:41.421 --> 01:27:44.716
Like, is it just like, well, it's a bit selfish, I would say.
01:27:44.801 --> 01:27:48.054
I think he's been on the search for mom this entire.
01:27:48.512 --> 01:27:49.430
Well, yeah.
01:27:49.430 --> 01:27:51.599
And and now it's like the way he.
01:27:51.599 --> 01:27:53.434
The way she cared for him when he was sick.
01:27:53.434 --> 01:27:56.270
He's like, I found my new mom. Will you marry me?
01:27:56.270 --> 01:27:58.648
Yeah, that's really what it is.
01:27:56.270 --> 01:27:58.648
That's exactly what it is.
01:27:58.648 --> 01:28:00.315
But is that good?
01:28:00.315 --> 01:28:02.109
Yeah. Like this isn't.
01:28:02.109 --> 01:28:03.485
This isn't like, good.
01:28:03.485 --> 01:28:06.613
I know it's not, but poisoning what I feel.
01:28:06.613 --> 01:28:07.532
Right? Right.
01:28:07.532 --> 01:28:09.783
Then I have a question. Yeah.
01:28:07.532 --> 01:28:09.783
So the men in the room. Yes.
01:28:10.993 --> 01:28:11.493
Yeah.
01:28:11.493 --> 01:28:17.582
Like, do you think generally, or do you think it's the woman that makes the man want to get married? Or.
01:28:17.582 --> 01:28:20.752
It's like a time in his life where he's like, I'm ready to get married.
01:28:20.752 --> 01:28:24.340
And then the woman that is there, oh, okay.
01:28:24.340 --> 01:28:28.720
So for me personally, it was absolutely dependent on Ali.
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:29.386
It was the woman.
01:28:29.386 --> 01:28:31.346
It wasn't like, oh, I'm ready.
01:28:31.346 --> 01:28:32.681
I'm a certain age in my life.
01:28:32.681 --> 01:28:35.768
I was like 35 and it wasn't going, oh, I'm 35.
01:28:35.768 --> 01:28:36.560
I need to be married.
01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:40.230
It was just this I didn't I never knew if this is in the cards for me.
01:28:40.230 --> 01:28:45.235
I mean, we were together for years before we got engaged and people here that we'll tell that story and they're like, why so long?
01:28:45.235 --> 01:28:48.238
And I'm like, we're just living like we weren't doing anything right.
01:28:48.698 --> 01:28:49.782
There was no like, issues.
01:28:49.782 --> 01:28:51.408
We were just living and that's the way it was going.
01:28:51.408 --> 01:28:53.618
And then let's do it. Let's do it.
01:28:53.618 --> 01:28:56.288
But it was, yeah, entirely dependent on her.
01:28:56.288 --> 01:28:58.373
And okay. Yeah. Okay.
01:28:58.373 --> 01:29:07.716
I think it should be that I and my personal opinion is, is that if you're going to because I don't believe in marriage, I'm just going to say that I do, but, I do.
01:29:07.716 --> 01:29:08.926
You know what?
01:29:08.926 --> 01:29:20.313
But if I, if, if, if, if I was going to, I think it should be that you've found a person that this is someone that you want to go into that next step.
01:29:20.313 --> 01:29:27.528
Yeah, but I know that there's a lot of dudes that do reach a certain age where they're like, I just want to be married.
01:29:28.195 --> 01:29:36.953
Yeah I don't yeah I've never really understood that because like okay I don't, I don't think there's anything wrong with that's where you want to be.
01:29:36.953 --> 01:29:40.750
But if it's not the right person exactly then what's the point then.
01:29:40.750 --> 01:29:41.876
No one's settling.
01:29:41.876 --> 01:29:49.466
Yeah I want to get married because of some arbitrary reason, but I and I know it can not necessarily marriage, but I know things can be different for women.
01:29:49.466 --> 01:29:50.842
For if you want to have children.
01:29:50.842 --> 01:29:52.386
Of course. So so I different. Yeah.
01:29:52.386 --> 01:29:53.887
Yeah I get, I totally get all that.
01:29:53.887 --> 01:29:56.390
But yeah to be like, no, I need to be married.
01:29:56.390 --> 01:30:01.604
And I'm going to like go out and try to because I'm ready to go find the person and maybe like, rush into it.
01:30:01.604 --> 01:30:01.813
Yeah.
01:30:01.813 --> 01:30:02.646
Now I'm married. Yeah.
01:30:02.646 --> 01:30:06.818
I don't think it should be like that. That's my thing.
01:30:06.818 --> 01:30:08.277
Yeah, it does, it does.
01:30:08.277 --> 01:30:09.487
Yeah. And I think for Mr.
01:30:09.487 --> 01:30:16.118
Woodcock, I think for him it was like, I think Alma's like the closest thing to mom. Yep.
01:30:16.118 --> 01:30:18.703
Oh, yeah. One who gets to marry him.
01:30:18.703 --> 01:30:19.788
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
01:30:19.788 --> 01:30:20.914
Nice simple wedding.
01:30:20.914 --> 01:30:21.457
I like that.
01:30:21.457 --> 01:30:22.958
Just like in the courthouse.
01:30:22.958 --> 01:30:25.711
Nothing fancy, isn't it? Romantic?
01:30:25.711 --> 01:30:28.547
Wrote well, yeah. Courthouses at the end of a courthouse. Yeah.
01:30:28.547 --> 01:30:31.716
I mean, yeah, I expect that. Yeah. Friends.
01:30:31.759 --> 01:30:34.636
Their own ways. Yeah, exactly.
01:30:34.636 --> 01:30:35.179
Exactly.
01:30:35.179 --> 01:30:38.640
We can't are is extremely small on purpose because we did not want to.
01:30:39.057 --> 01:30:41.978
I've been to weddings that cost, a quarter of $1 million.
01:30:41.978 --> 01:30:44.939
It was fucking nuts.
01:30:41.978 --> 01:30:44.939
Are they still together?
01:30:44.939 --> 01:30:47.108
Yeah, yeah. I don't I don't have a connection with them any more.
01:30:47.108 --> 01:30:48.525
But as far as I know they are.
01:30:48.525 --> 01:30:51.612
But it was like, wow, this is a lot of money.
01:30:51.612 --> 01:30:54.239
Like, jeez, I don't know. So let's see.
01:30:54.239 --> 01:31:02.747
That's how I would feel like if you spend that much, well, we're never getting divorced because yeah, you're fact that our wedding cost this much money would just be like, I can't live with myself, right?
01:31:02.747 --> 01:31:05.626
I can't, I can't accept this defeat. Yeah.
01:31:07.211 --> 01:31:08.378
Mr. and Mrs.
01:31:08.378 --> 01:31:13.926
Reynolds Woodcock, they get, you know, married breakfast seven is the honeymoon in Switzerland, as we talked about.
01:31:14.260 --> 01:31:17.054
Almost to be loud. Yep yep yep. We can't.
01:31:17.054 --> 01:31:18.096
They shit about it.
01:31:18.096 --> 01:31:20.182
You ain't in the house of Woodcock no more, buddy.
01:31:20.182 --> 01:31:26.271
This is what you signed up for? Yeah, straight to the, This is the Lady Baltimore dinner.
01:31:26.314 --> 01:31:29.442
And this is the first time we're hearing alma be referred to as different.
01:31:29.442 --> 01:31:31.359
This is when the real. Yeah.
01:31:31.359 --> 01:31:33.445
But I loved it, like, from one scene to the next.
01:31:33.445 --> 01:31:34.572
Like I love you.
01:31:34.572 --> 01:31:36.908
Will you marry me?
01:31:34.572 --> 01:31:36.908
We get married, we're in Switzerland.
01:31:36.908 --> 01:31:38.783
Then they go to this party, and then they're off again.
01:31:38.783 --> 01:31:41.621
Like things just aren't.
01:31:38.783 --> 01:31:41.621
They're not on the same page about stuff.
01:31:41.621 --> 01:31:46.417
They don't sit with each other at dinner, which feels like a part of the way that dinner is set up.
01:31:46.417 --> 01:31:48.752
Yeah, I don't think that's supposed to, like, say much, but.
01:31:48.752 --> 01:31:53.048
And then this woman is like, oh, you know, the guy seems to be taking a liking.
01:31:53.048 --> 01:31:54.300
Oh, she has a glow.
01:31:54.300 --> 01:31:56.969
The freshly made glow. I'm like, what's your deal, lady?
01:31:56.969 --> 01:31:58.554
I'll try to disrupt this.
01:31:58.554 --> 01:32:02.557
It's great though, when she I love when they're getting to fight where they're play the game.
01:32:02.557 --> 01:32:04.601
Oh my God, what are you getting so upset about.
01:32:04.601 --> 01:32:05.895
Oh love that.
01:32:05.895 --> 01:32:10.815
So that was like very classic relationship of like the guy who just wins all the time. Yeah.
01:32:10.815 --> 01:32:13.485
And the girl's like yeah, this sucks because I never win.
01:32:13.485 --> 01:32:15.320
He's like, well if you won, you would love it.
01:32:15.320 --> 01:32:16.322
Yeah, exactly.
01:32:16.322 --> 01:32:17.405
He's like, where's my next?
01:32:17.405 --> 01:32:20.408
Yeah. Victim. My opponent.
01:32:20.743 --> 01:32:23.037
Yeah. So I love that wrong with you.
01:32:23.037 --> 01:32:25.789
And then yeah she's hearing rumblings some New Year's Eve.
01:32:25.789 --> 01:32:28.626
And then she waits till New Year's Eve and just says, I want to go dancing.
01:32:28.626 --> 01:32:29.918
And he's like, what?
01:32:29.918 --> 01:32:31.002
And I love it.
01:32:31.002 --> 01:32:32.796
It's like, I want to go at the leaves.
01:32:32.796 --> 01:32:33.756
And then we're just with it.
01:32:33.756 --> 01:32:37.510
It goes up to the door and like, looks like she and she really left.
01:32:37.510 --> 01:32:38.426
Like, that's crazy.
01:32:38.426 --> 01:32:41.764
And I wonder if she thought that things would change because they got married.
01:32:41.764 --> 01:32:44.684
And I think that's like the issues.
01:32:41.764 --> 01:32:44.684
She's like, okay, like a god.
01:32:44.684 --> 01:32:45.935
And things are going to be different.
01:32:45.935 --> 01:32:50.480
And he's like, nope, I'm still going to be the same my grumpy self.
01:32:50.605 --> 01:32:50.981
Yeah.
01:32:50.981 --> 01:32:53.775
And there really isn't much of like a honeymoon period.
01:32:53.775 --> 01:32:55.069
Like there is Switzerland.
01:32:55.069 --> 01:32:56.612
Yeah. And it's very brief.
01:32:56.612 --> 01:33:00.908
And then we really kind of get into just, oh, these realities now.
01:33:01.117 --> 01:33:01.449
Yeah.
01:33:01.449 --> 01:33:15.840
And I love that scene of him pacing and where he goes because I don't know, I think I've felt like that before where it's like I'm going to have to go and do this thing that I don't want to do because I can't not this was it like both guilt.
01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:20.469
But then also, I don't want to not be a part of her.
01:33:20.802 --> 01:33:26.559
Yeah, life or whatever this experience is going to be because it doesn't seem right, right, right.
01:33:26.559 --> 01:33:30.270
And that's what ultimately why I think he goes that, well, there's like an obligation.
01:33:30.270 --> 01:33:30.938
Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:30.938 --> 01:33:34.859
But I think he actually like he would rather do the thing he doesn't want to do.
01:33:34.859 --> 01:33:35.609
Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:35.609 --> 01:33:38.279
And that's like his big like love.
01:33:38.279 --> 01:33:39.195
That's large.
01:33:39.195 --> 01:33:40.655
Yeah. It honestly is. Yeah.
01:33:40.655 --> 01:33:43.117
He goes he's like looking for or finds her.
01:33:43.117 --> 01:33:44.076
Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:44.076 --> 01:33:46.453
Great little sequence to like no dialog piece.
01:33:46.453 --> 01:33:49.457
Yeah. No dialog. Get the balloons following.
01:33:49.582 --> 01:33:50.082
Looks great.
01:33:50.082 --> 01:33:51.626
I love the balloons. Yeah, yeah.
01:33:51.626 --> 01:33:55.337
So good. Looks so good, so good. And, and then.
01:33:55.337 --> 01:33:56.505
Yeah, like, the next scene is.
01:33:56.505 --> 01:33:58.298
He's pissed off again.
01:33:58.298 --> 01:33:59.091
Yeah.
01:33:59.091 --> 01:34:02.219
Countess Henrietta Harding doesn't want to be dressed by him anymore.
01:34:02.219 --> 01:34:04.346
She wants something chic.
01:34:04.346 --> 01:34:05.264
What does that fucking.
01:34:05.264 --> 01:34:06.890
What does that word fucking chic.
01:34:06.890 --> 01:34:09.060
Oh, God. It's so good. And then.
01:34:09.060 --> 01:34:12.938
Yeah, just an all timer like this is when you really realize it.
01:34:12.938 --> 01:34:14.731
Just because they got married here and.
01:34:14.731 --> 01:34:15.440
Okay. Yeah.
01:34:15.440 --> 01:34:19.654
Like going off from a two year old who's like, Teflon and can take it.
01:34:19.654 --> 01:34:22.364
And then Cyril does not make one.
01:34:22.364 --> 01:34:26.952
Just it changed her face when alma walks in right behind her and just.
01:34:26.952 --> 01:34:30.706
Yeah, let's let's him keep going and, eat his own words.
01:34:30.706 --> 01:34:31.539
And I love that.
01:34:31.539 --> 01:34:33.292
What a model of politeness you two are.
01:34:33.292 --> 01:34:34.627
He's so good at it.
01:34:34.627 --> 01:34:36.921
Yeah, I don't know. It's.
01:34:36.921 --> 01:34:38.588
Yeah, yeah, he's having a tantrum.
01:34:38.588 --> 01:34:41.591
There's an air of quiet death in this house.
01:34:41.716 --> 01:34:43.426
I do not like the way it smells.
01:34:43.426 --> 01:34:45.970
It's like is.
01:34:43.426 --> 01:34:45.970
What are you talking about? Like.
01:34:45.970 --> 01:34:47.055
Yeah, exactly.
01:34:47.055 --> 01:34:54.814
You just storms off because when you talk and someone says that about you, when alma talks behind him, it's like nobody gives a take is fucking that.
01:34:54.814 --> 01:34:56.815
He just puts his head out and smiles.
01:34:56.815 --> 01:34:58.567
He's like, thanks, Cyril.
01:34:58.567 --> 01:35:01.529
I love that is an air of quite death in itself.
01:35:01.529 --> 01:35:02.613
Oh, stop.
01:35:02.613 --> 01:35:05.615
So he, Yeah, he rims out alma.
01:35:05.949 --> 01:35:08.786
Straight to mushrooms to this.
01:35:08.786 --> 01:35:10.954
And I don't know if this is technically breakfast.
01:35:10.954 --> 01:35:13.707
This is either the last breakfast scene.
01:35:10.954 --> 01:35:13.707
It is an omelet.
01:35:13.707 --> 01:35:15.042
The last dinner, for sure. Yeah.
01:35:15.042 --> 01:35:18.128
Looks like, you know, some sort of.
01:35:18.462 --> 01:35:20.756
It might be dinner, I don't know, some sort of meal, but now.
01:35:20.756 --> 01:35:23.259
Yeah, the music's just really boom and boom boom.
01:35:23.259 --> 01:35:27.846
And I absolutely think him sitting there watching her prepare it.
01:35:27.846 --> 01:35:33.144
And then that whole little back and forth and just the great line of kiss me, darling, I'm sick.
01:35:33.144 --> 01:35:35.729
It's like, I mean, marvelous.
01:35:35.729 --> 01:35:38.106
That's absolutely love it. It's so good.
01:35:38.106 --> 01:35:41.527
And now they're just like in this vibe where she's sitting with him and he.
01:35:41.527 --> 01:35:43.904
Yeah, okay, the doctor and come in and check me out.
01:35:43.904 --> 01:35:46.532
She blows her little kiss like from across the room.
01:35:46.532 --> 01:35:48.074
I love it, I love this.
01:35:48.074 --> 01:35:52.412
It's like they've accepted we are going to be in a toxic relationship. Yes.
01:35:52.412 --> 01:35:54.372
And that's exactly what it is.
01:35:54.372 --> 01:35:55.498
Okay with it. Yeah.
01:35:55.498 --> 01:35:56.207
Yep, yep.
01:35:56.207 --> 01:35:59.252
So there's that's there's an interesting thing throughout the movie.
01:35:59.252 --> 01:36:06.342
The narrative thread is that it's this a lot of it is from Alma's perspective talking to this doctor.
01:36:06.342 --> 01:36:11.765
And, you know, in one of his when Reynolds Woodcock was sick, she's sitting there talking to him.
01:36:11.765 --> 01:36:15.269
So we're cutting back to this a lot and I shit you not.
01:36:15.269 --> 01:36:22.234
I don't know if I forgot this or what it was, but that, you know, she's doing the voiceover, talking to the doctor, and then there's like a brief break.
01:36:22.234 --> 01:36:25.863
And then she says, I imagined our future lives together.
01:36:26.070 --> 01:36:32.953
I always thought she was still talking to the doctor, but then we cut back and his head is in her lap and she's like, but we're here now.
01:36:33.244 --> 01:36:34.704
And I went, oh my God.
01:36:34.704 --> 01:36:35.997
She was saying that to him.
01:36:35.997 --> 01:36:39.376
Like, it just resonates so much more that she wasn't saying that to the doctor.
01:36:39.376 --> 01:36:47.384
She's saying with him, like, I really envision our life and then we get those beautiful flash forwards of, you know, her old with a baby carriage, kind of moving it back and forth.
01:36:47.384 --> 01:36:48.969
I just love that shit, I love it.
01:36:48.969 --> 01:36:50.345
Do you think that is what happened?
01:36:50.345 --> 01:36:53.224
Do you think those visions are like real life and that's what happened.
01:36:53.224 --> 01:36:54.182
See, I've always said it.
01:36:54.182 --> 01:36:55.893
I've always thought it did.
01:36:55.893 --> 01:36:58.436
I've always thought that that's, you know, their life together.
01:36:58.436 --> 01:37:01.064
I don't I don't see him having a kid.
01:37:01.064 --> 01:37:03.108
Why not? Just don't see it too.
01:37:03.108 --> 01:37:03.734
And er.
01:37:03.734 --> 01:37:04.109
Yeah.
01:37:04.109 --> 01:37:07.363
Too loud, too fussy and like he won't be the baby anymore.
01:37:07.363 --> 01:37:08.404
Yeah, yeah.
01:37:08.404 --> 01:37:10.865
Like he, he's not going to be a good father.
01:37:10.865 --> 01:37:14.328
Well maybe not, but that's a lot of people have kids that weren't good fathers.
01:37:15.246 --> 01:37:17.497
And so I be like that person is not her.
01:37:17.497 --> 01:37:18.248
Fortunately. Yeah.
01:37:18.248 --> 01:37:20.292
Being a good father is not a requirement.
01:37:20.292 --> 01:37:23.671
I, I don't think that it's actually okay.
01:37:23.921 --> 01:37:26.172
I think it's like her fantasy is. Yeah.
01:37:26.172 --> 01:37:40.270
And what I, I remember watching this last time being surprised by the one of like, her kind of being in charge of the dress shop, like she never seemed to take an interest in the actual like process of it.
01:37:40.270 --> 01:37:49.070
And even when he was sick the first time and she's kind of standing around while all of the other seamstresses are like, you know, taking over, oh, what can I do to help?
01:37:49.113 --> 01:37:57.704
I thought that was kind of like a bit a reach of her to feel like, oh, I'm going to rise above muse and I'm going to be in charge.
01:37:57.704 --> 01:38:01.417
So I saw these as like, fantasies because, yeah, I don't see them having a kid.
01:38:01.750 --> 01:38:06.087
I don't yeah, I don't part of me thinks he dies.
01:38:06.130 --> 01:38:08.966
Well, there goes that dream Jesus Christ guys.
01:38:08.966 --> 01:38:11.467
Oh that fucking hell. I was like that.
01:38:11.467 --> 01:38:13.177
And it ends in a nice way.
01:38:13.177 --> 01:38:15.722
I think everything they show us is what's going to happen here.
01:38:15.722 --> 01:38:17.307
Like these flash floods.
01:38:17.307 --> 01:38:19.685
I don't think they're they're flash forwards.
01:38:19.685 --> 01:38:23.605
And as the kid thing, he's I don't know what maybe 20 years older.
01:38:23.605 --> 01:38:27.443
So he'll be, you know, gone and it like until I have more time with the kid.
01:38:27.734 --> 01:38:29.360
So season by default.
01:38:29.360 --> 01:38:31.113
Don't worry you won't be around much longer.
01:38:31.113 --> 01:38:33.489
Yeah I don't know. Oh, you think he just dies?
01:38:33.489 --> 01:38:34.449
I think he died.
01:38:34.449 --> 01:38:44.376
Yeah, I think yeah I think the reality is the very end of the movie where he's just, she's standing there like, yeah, their relationship is going to be their relationship as it is.
01:38:44.376 --> 01:38:47.046
It's going to it's just going to keep going the way that it. Yeah.
01:38:47.046 --> 01:38:48.296
But this is how it is.
01:38:48.296 --> 01:38:48.546
Yeah.
01:38:48.546 --> 01:38:52.467
It's a very modern and oh yeah I love it like they do.
01:38:52.509 --> 01:38:54.052
The second title card.
01:38:54.052 --> 01:38:57.055
Perfect. Perfect. Put my hand on my heart.
01:38:57.221 --> 01:38:58.306
It's great.
01:38:58.306 --> 01:39:02.019
See, look, I didn't take long to go through the movie scene by scene by way too long.
01:39:02.019 --> 01:39:04.104
Meal by meal, meal by meal. Yeah.
01:39:04.104 --> 01:39:05.480
How many breakfasts? Seven.
01:39:05.480 --> 01:39:10.402
Well, eight, if we count the last omelet, but there might be, like, a breakfast for dinner type situation.
01:39:10.402 --> 01:39:12.279
Seven official breakfast food, though.
01:39:12.279 --> 01:39:14.573
Yeah, exactly.
01:39:12.279 --> 01:39:14.573
That's what I mean. Yeah. Breakfast food.
01:39:14.573 --> 01:39:16.742
Then she just used so many mushrooms.
01:39:16.742 --> 01:39:19.078
That's why I'm like, how does he live for that one?
01:39:19.078 --> 01:39:20.746
She does when she's making the omelet.
01:39:20.746 --> 01:39:26.042
She uses a lot, but he only has one bite. So how many I don't she's not house in that whole thing.
01:39:26.042 --> 01:39:27.627
I think he has a bite. Okay.
01:39:27.627 --> 01:39:30.088
So he doesn't die that. Never mind. There we go. He lived that.
01:39:30.088 --> 01:39:31.090
He lived.
01:39:31.090 --> 01:39:33.509
It was one bite.
01:39:31.090 --> 01:39:33.509
She actually poisoned for real estate?
01:39:33.509 --> 01:39:35.844
Yeah. She lives. Okay. Okay, cool.
01:39:35.844 --> 01:39:36.470
But I still think.
01:39:36.470 --> 01:39:40.765
You think you mentioned, like, they, you know, like, have a kid and, like, they go and she.
01:39:40.765 --> 01:39:43.060
Okay. No, I think they live.
01:39:43.060 --> 01:39:46.563
And, like, it's just miserable for the next 35 years.
01:39:46.563 --> 01:39:49.399
Yeah, yeah I agree Jesus Christ.
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:50.317
All right.
01:39:50.317 --> 01:39:52.277
Well there you go.
01:39:52.277 --> 01:39:56.239
Jen. This really just, you know, they'll discover how they keep discovering.
01:39:56.239 --> 01:39:57.198
Yeah, yeah.
01:39:57.198 --> 01:40:00.202
All right. But misery misery misery.
01:40:00.411 --> 01:40:03.413
But it's like their love keeps it going.
01:40:03.997 --> 01:40:08.836
Love is misery. Yeah. Yeah I mean love, love is poisoning and being poisoned.
01:40:08.836 --> 01:40:10.170
Yeah, sure. Why not?
01:40:10.170 --> 01:40:11.921
Why not say the chasing of evolved.
01:40:11.921 --> 01:40:14.925
Yeah.
01:40:15.216 --> 01:40:15.466
Yeah.
01:40:15.466 --> 01:40:20.680
Maybe I have a slightly more optimistic view of this because of, I don't know, I'm like, I don't know. That's hilarious.
01:40:20.680 --> 01:40:23.434
Well, you have no choice. Well, yes, I signed up for it.
01:40:23.434 --> 01:40:26.020
You have to just believe that what you've.
01:40:23.434 --> 01:40:26.020
I don't have to take it. You.
01:40:26.020 --> 01:40:32.443
Because I married the end of Phantom Thread or legitimate flash forward just because.
01:40:29.981 --> 01:40:32.443
I mean, let's start with that.
01:40:32.443 --> 01:40:33.569
He finds happiness.
01:40:33.569 --> 01:40:36.070
Yeah, well, I think that they.
01:40:36.070 --> 01:40:37.488
Yeah, they like the thrill.
01:40:37.488 --> 01:40:45.788
I think that's what I think is funny about her is some people might be like, oh, he's such an asshole, but like, she's as bad, like she worse.
01:40:45.788 --> 01:40:49.251
She the felon at that. Oh, okay.
01:40:49.460 --> 01:40:52.003
Facing him, what law did she break?
01:40:52.003 --> 01:40:54.547
Well, I mean, I mean, do you have a gun?
01:40:54.547 --> 01:40:57.051
It's a felon.
01:40:54.547 --> 01:40:57.051
I mean, it's attempted murder.
01:40:57.051 --> 01:40:58.635
She had a retention murder.
01:40:58.635 --> 01:40:59.052
Yeah.
01:40:59.052 --> 01:41:05.725
I feel like she's actively participating in this very toxic relationship and, like, does her own part.
01:41:05.768 --> 01:41:08.228
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think she likes the fight.
01:41:08.228 --> 01:41:08.770
She likes.
01:41:08.770 --> 01:41:10.229
I think she does too. Oh, very.
01:41:10.229 --> 01:41:11.523
There has to be an aspect.
01:41:11.523 --> 01:41:11.899
Yeah.
01:41:11.899 --> 01:41:17.112
Where she does is you don't just go right from like, you can fuck off to wherever you came from. The poisoning.
01:41:17.112 --> 01:41:17.529
Right? Yeah.
01:41:17.529 --> 01:41:19.405
Without being like, I like this.
01:41:19.405 --> 01:41:21.074
Yeah. Exactly.
01:41:21.074 --> 01:41:29.707
Yes, yes. So, in the wake of the movie before it's released, a really weird thing happened, and that's it.
01:41:29.707 --> 01:41:32.502
Daniel Day Lewis says this is my last movie.
01:41:32.502 --> 01:41:34.880
I'm not doing another movie, and I don't.
01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:38.675
I mean, I've heard everyone has been asked about this to like everyone.
01:41:38.841 --> 01:41:43.514
I don't know if I'll hold true to it, but it seems like that is could be the case.
01:41:43.514 --> 01:41:50.020
And that put a lot more like the first time I saw it, I was just going do it like, wow, this is the last performance from him.
01:41:50.020 --> 01:41:50.686
We're going to get.
01:41:50.686 --> 01:41:51.814
We'll see if he does it.
01:41:51.814 --> 01:41:54.649
But if it's his last one, it was a hell of a sendoff.
01:41:54.649 --> 01:42:00.488
Did he specify that he made the decision before the movie, before they filmed?
01:42:00.488 --> 01:42:03.617
Like this is going to be my last, or was it after?
01:42:03.699 --> 01:42:05.993
I don't know, because he released the statement.
01:42:05.993 --> 01:42:09.581
It was like April 2017, the movie, it was coming out in December.
01:42:09.581 --> 01:42:12.583
So he said, Phantom Thread will be my last movie.
01:42:12.583 --> 01:42:14.336
I don't know if it was.
01:42:14.336 --> 01:42:18.881
I don't know if it said when he made the decision and he's he's done shit like this before.
01:42:18.881 --> 01:42:19.966
That's part of the yeah, yeah.
01:42:19.966 --> 01:42:25.471
Did after the boxer, he's like, I'm going to go move and learn how to make shoes, which is what he really did like in Ireland, you know.
01:42:25.596 --> 01:42:26.765
Yeah. Yeah.
01:42:26.765 --> 01:42:27.724
And then exactly.
01:42:27.724 --> 01:42:30.644
And then Scorsese comes and hires him for gangs in New York.
01:42:30.644 --> 01:42:32.186
But I don't know.
01:42:30.644 --> 01:42:32.186
We'll see if he's serious.
01:42:32.186 --> 01:42:34.148
But yeah, it's wild to watch it.
01:42:34.148 --> 01:42:36.190
You know, that's another lens to watch it through.
01:42:36.190 --> 01:42:39.653
This great actor, maybe the greatest living actor is now.
01:42:39.778 --> 01:42:42.238
Maybe he was so satisfied. He was sure.
01:42:42.238 --> 01:42:44.115
I'm sure I mean, this.
01:42:44.115 --> 01:42:46.368
Yeah, his roles took a lot out of him.
01:42:44.115 --> 01:42:46.368
Oh, yeah.
01:42:46.368 --> 01:42:48.662
You put a lot into him.
01:42:46.368 --> 01:42:48.662
You learned how to fucking kill for this.
01:42:48.662 --> 01:42:50.497
You learned how to make dresses, saying.
01:42:50.497 --> 01:42:57.128
Yeah, I mean, and he seems to be the type of person that just loves to throw himself into whatever the next thing is.
01:42:57.128 --> 01:43:00.090
And maybe acting is sort of like, oh, I have to do all of this.
01:43:00.090 --> 01:43:03.886
Not necessarily because I want to I have to learn sewing because this is what's needed.
01:43:03.969 --> 01:43:06.430
Yeah. As opposed to actually, I just want to go to Kabul.
01:43:06.430 --> 01:43:07.346
Right, right.
01:43:07.346 --> 01:43:09.975
I don't know, for instance, like, really what I want to do.
01:43:09.975 --> 01:43:11.225
Yeah. Yeah.
01:43:11.225 --> 01:43:17.315
But it was, it was a, I love when it came out, it got a bunch of surprise Oscar nominations and no one really thought that was going to happen.
01:43:17.315 --> 01:43:20.234
One, one, which is great. The reputation online.
01:43:20.234 --> 01:43:24.698
This movie has a really good rep because it's memed a lot with just crazy shit that he says.
01:43:24.698 --> 01:43:36.585
So it'll pop up a lot with like, there's you can definitely see like Phantom Thread out of context stuff and it'll, it'll be like captioned and you'll see him saying there's a quiet air of death in this house, and I don't like the way it smells.
01:43:36.585 --> 01:43:38.420
So it lives pretty well online.
01:43:38.420 --> 01:43:40.380
I have the 4K which looks great.
01:43:40.380 --> 01:43:42.216
There are fuck off.
01:43:42.216 --> 01:43:48.639
There are some like screen tests and like one deleted scene in the on the 4K, but there.
01:43:48.639 --> 01:43:51.557
But it's not the all timer of deleted scenes.
01:43:51.557 --> 01:43:54.435
I don't know if you guys have seen this.
01:43:51.557 --> 01:43:54.435
It exists. It's online.
01:43:54.435 --> 01:43:57.271
That's one of the breakfasts where where cereal goes.
01:43:57.271 --> 01:43:58.439
Don't pick a fight with me.
01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:00.484
I'll, you know, go right through.
01:44:00.484 --> 01:44:01.777
You'll end up on the floor.
01:44:01.777 --> 01:44:03.278
They kept that going in.
01:44:03.278 --> 01:44:08.908
And Lesley Manville and Daniel Day-Lewis got into a massive food fight.
01:44:08.908 --> 01:44:11.828
No, a fucking food fight.
01:44:11.828 --> 01:44:19.002
And he breaks character like he in the fight because she goes to get her carrot juice or tomato juice and he's like, no, no, no.
01:44:19.002 --> 01:44:21.296
And this is done. No, no, we're done.
01:44:21.296 --> 01:44:23.715
But they're really going for it.
01:44:21.296 --> 01:44:23.715
They're like sitting there.
01:44:23.715 --> 01:44:26.385
He's throwing shit on her, throwing cream on her.
01:44:26.385 --> 01:44:32.056
And I guess they just kept going and it wouldn't maybe it would have been cool to see, but dude, it's fucking nuts.
01:44:32.056 --> 01:44:33.057
You can oh my god. Oh no.
01:44:33.057 --> 01:44:34.976
Oh we got oh it's hilarious.
01:44:34.976 --> 01:44:36.478
Sounds amazing. It's so funny.
01:44:36.478 --> 01:44:38.896
I don't know why they didn't include that on the 4K.
01:44:38.896 --> 01:44:42.818
I go again where you need more.
01:44:42.818 --> 01:44:45.820
It's like hey, whoa.
01:44:47.405 --> 01:44:48.864
That's not my character.
01:44:48.864 --> 01:44:50.742
And keep it straight back and forth.
01:44:50.742 --> 01:44:55.997
Just like, ready your cereals for.
01:45:06.007 --> 01:45:18.353
Oh. It's great though.
01:45:18.395 --> 01:45:18.645
It's.
01:45:18.645 --> 01:45:19.688
Wow, wow.
01:45:19.688 --> 01:45:22.690
And then you see Daniel Day-Lewis in real time break.
01:45:22.940 --> 01:45:23.984
He's not Reynolds. What?
01:45:23.984 --> 01:45:25.944
He's like.
01:45:23.984 --> 01:45:25.944
I don't want this character's portrait.
01:45:25.944 --> 01:45:27.404
Okay, I'll come on, come on.
01:45:27.404 --> 01:45:28.947
He doesn't say that, but that's why.
01:45:28.947 --> 01:45:30.532
Yeah. It's hysterical.
01:45:30.532 --> 01:45:31.449
It's so funny.
01:45:31.449 --> 01:45:34.661
Well, now would probably show like, their childhood, right?
01:45:34.744 --> 01:45:36.496
You know, it's. Yeah. Like.
01:45:36.496 --> 01:45:36.997
Yeah.
01:45:36.997 --> 01:45:41.335
I have so many questions about the backstory, but I'm, I'm curious if there are answers.
01:45:41.335 --> 01:45:43.627
I doubt that PTA, like, really flesh it out.
01:45:43.627 --> 01:45:46.297
Maybe he did, but I don't think he needed to flesh out.
01:45:46.297 --> 01:45:49.176
Right. You know, I feel like the actors probably did that for themselves.
01:45:49.176 --> 01:45:49.592
Yeah.
01:45:49.592 --> 01:45:54.096
I imagine when you have actors like that, yeah, I'm sure there's probably conversation.
01:45:51.802 --> 01:45:54.096
Yeah.
01:45:54.096 --> 01:45:56.475
But the PTA doesn't really seem to be one.
01:45:56.475 --> 01:46:01.771
Like, he's not like Quentin Tarantino, where it's like, I have this all figured out before the actors even get here.
01:46:01.771 --> 01:46:02.605
Yeah, I don't think so.
01:46:02.605 --> 01:46:05.524
I think it's more open to interpretation or collaboration.
01:46:05.524 --> 01:46:05.900
Yeah.
01:46:05.900 --> 01:46:08.904
I mean, DDL could have talked about that perhaps.
01:46:09.154 --> 01:46:09.488
Yeah.
01:46:10.488 --> 01:46:11.280
Love this movie.
01:46:11.280 --> 01:46:13.658
Every time I watch it, it gets better. As we said. Yeah.
01:46:13.658 --> 01:46:15.786
What else? What else do we miss?
01:46:15.786 --> 01:46:18.788
What else are in your notes there, buddy boy?
01:46:18.997 --> 01:46:19.747
I'm good.
01:46:19.747 --> 01:46:21.957
Okay. If you're good.
01:46:21.957 --> 01:46:24.461
Dedicates every movie to someone.
01:46:24.461 --> 01:46:39.850
Phantom thread is dedicated to his longtime mentor Jonathan Dombey, who passed away, apparently is a crazy fact that filming of Phantom Thread was completed on April 26th, 2017, the same day that Jonathan Dummy died from cancer.
01:46:39.850 --> 01:46:40.769
So it's dedicated.
01:46:40.769 --> 01:46:41.728
And that's pretty wild.
01:46:41.728 --> 01:46:43.521
Yeah, that's just weird how that stuff works out.
01:46:43.521 --> 01:46:45.649
But how do you feel?
01:46:45.649 --> 01:46:48.193
I yeah, what else?
01:46:48.193 --> 01:46:50.112
Yeah. This movie holds up for me.
01:46:50.112 --> 01:46:55.158
It's like sometimes movies don't age well, but, you know, it's very toxic.
01:46:55.158 --> 01:46:55.783
And I know that.
01:46:55.783 --> 01:46:57.577
I think that's why it's so lovely.
01:46:57.577 --> 01:46:59.829
It's like it just shows the reality. Yeah.
01:46:59.829 --> 01:47:03.750
Certain relationship dynamics that exist that are real.
01:47:04.042 --> 01:47:07.421
And, it's a beautiful, beautiful ride.
01:47:07.796 --> 01:47:17.639
But I also I'm very curious that, like, I read and PTA with their license licenses, like, well, we won't get into that because it's personal, but it just makes you wonder.
01:47:17.639 --> 01:47:18.305
Yeah, there's.
01:47:18.305 --> 01:47:21.518
Yeah, I meant to bring this up earlier with your Gary Oldman comment.
01:47:21.685 --> 01:47:24.354
Daniel Day-Lewis one wife, I believe.
01:47:24.354 --> 01:47:25.146
Rebecca miller.
01:47:25.146 --> 01:47:26.064
Really? Yeah.
01:47:26.064 --> 01:47:29.067
Rebecca. Bill. Yeah.
01:47:26.064 --> 01:47:29.067
And then PTA one wife.
01:47:29.150 --> 01:47:30.860
He's been in other relationships.
01:47:29.150 --> 01:47:30.860
Maya. Rudolph.
01:47:30.860 --> 01:47:36.867
So there is a huge difference in PTA films when you look at heart.
01:47:36.908 --> 01:47:42.581
Eight Boogie Nights, Magnolia, and Punch-Drunk love, those are all living in a specific world.
01:47:42.581 --> 01:47:45.250
Takes five years off.
01:47:42.581 --> 01:47:45.250
In that five years gets married.
01:47:45.250 --> 01:47:47.502
I think maybe they have a kid or two.
01:47:47.502 --> 01:47:59.890
I think that for now and then there's there Will be blood, which is a much more, much more, just as we were talked about, like classical controlled, he seems to be to me a little more stable in his personal life.
01:47:59.890 --> 01:48:02.684
So you get something a little more, I don't know, controlled.
01:48:02.684 --> 01:48:07.980
So I think it that that's I think there is a very clear like PTA before there Will be blood.
01:48:07.980 --> 01:48:12.652
It's like the but maybe it was getting married that did that to kind of like calm things down.
01:48:12.652 --> 01:48:12.985
Yeah.
01:48:12.985 --> 01:48:17.407
I'm not going to make movies about people like bombing lines of Coke all the time and yes and.
01:48:17.407 --> 01:48:18.699
Yeah, no, you know.
01:48:18.699 --> 01:48:24.038
No, I'm trying to think, are there no real like, sex scenes anymore?
01:48:24.038 --> 01:48:25.789
Like Boogie Nights had a lot. Magnolia.
01:48:25.789 --> 01:48:29.502
There's some crazy stuff in The Master, but I wouldn't call that, like sexy.
01:48:29.793 --> 01:48:31.421
There's like a maturing. Yeah.
01:48:31.421 --> 01:48:32.796
There's absolutely.
01:48:32.796 --> 01:48:33.840
Yeah. Maturing.
01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:40.721
But I think we've witnessed happen to him in real time throughout his career kind of for this reason. Yeah.
01:48:38.261 --> 01:48:40.721
That's so cool.
01:48:40.721 --> 01:48:44.016
So you're saying that marriage will make you more mature?
01:48:44.016 --> 01:48:45.894
Sure. Perhaps it can.
01:48:45.894 --> 01:48:48.896
It can not in Phantom Thread.
01:48:48.939 --> 01:48:51.399
No, no, but for some people's careers.
01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:55.487
Yeah, I guess some, some people, like, they thrive once they're in a relationship.
01:48:55.487 --> 01:48:57.738
And then I think there are artists like Gary Oldman.
01:48:57.738 --> 01:49:02.743
Yeah, I'm probably just very passionate with a lot of different people, and that could be great to.
01:49:02.743 --> 01:49:08.291
And I think there are some, like you said this earlier in the pod where it's like, can you actually find that balance?
01:49:08.291 --> 01:49:13.921
And I think there are some because I've heard some actors, like, I guess you really have to want it.
01:49:13.921 --> 01:49:26.518
I think you, you like, you have to be prepared that there's going to be a sacrifice to both things where I think certain actors like maybe, I mean, I don't know Gary Oldman, but for six wives, clearly, like it leaned more in this direction.
01:49:26.518 --> 01:49:26.850
Yeah.
01:49:26.850 --> 01:49:31.064
But then there are some actors that are like, no, my family means everything.
01:49:31.064 --> 01:49:34.400
And I'm only like, they'll they'll pass on roles.
01:49:34.442 --> 01:49:37.112
Yeah, because they've got dates where.
01:49:37.112 --> 01:49:39.154
No, that's that's my family's vacation. Yeah.
01:49:39.154 --> 01:49:41.283
So I'm not going to take this movie.
01:49:39.154 --> 01:49:41.283
Right.
01:49:41.283 --> 01:49:43.618
Which is a crazy thought to me. Yeah.
01:49:43.618 --> 01:49:47.872
Or like my kids like, I won't do it while the kids are in school because I do do the drop on it.
01:49:47.956 --> 01:49:50.875
Yeah, exactly. In the end, these are very real things that happen.
01:49:50.875 --> 01:49:53.545
So it's not really all dependent. Yeah.
01:49:53.545 --> 01:49:54.837
Yeah it is.
01:49:54.837 --> 01:49:56.547
It is I love it.
01:49:56.547 --> 01:49:58.507
Movies.
01:49:58.507 --> 01:50:00.010
They're great, aren't they.
01:50:00.010 --> 01:50:01.344
Great.
01:50:01.344 --> 01:50:04.389
I'm actually going to go first with what are you watching?
01:50:04.555 --> 01:50:08.350
I guess finally we let our guests go typically last.
01:50:08.475 --> 01:50:09.810
But I'm doing something deliberate.
01:50:09.810 --> 01:50:14.315
Don't roll your eyes at me because it's a bit of a cheat on your list that you sent us.
01:50:14.315 --> 01:50:15.609
Mickey. Your list of movies?
01:50:15.609 --> 01:50:21.823
Yeah, it had the five, but it started with a sentence that I didn't even know how you felt.
01:50:21.823 --> 01:50:25.659
You were like, well, waves and shame are obvious.
01:50:25.659 --> 01:50:26.453
Those. And then.
01:50:26.453 --> 01:50:29.038
But here are the five.
01:50:26.453 --> 01:50:29.038
And we've covered waves and shame.
01:50:29.038 --> 01:50:36.462
So I wanted to recommend shame because I just want to talk to you about it and like, what do you like about she has her hand on her heart. Oh my god.
01:50:36.462 --> 01:50:38.840
Like we actually have a funny story about this too.
01:50:38.840 --> 01:50:40.300
I have a lot of funny stories about shame.
01:50:40.300 --> 01:50:43.636
I've seen this movie an absurd amount of times.
01:50:43.636 --> 01:50:44.637
Like it? Like, yeah.
01:50:44.637 --> 01:50:45.930
So I want to know what you like about it.
01:50:45.930 --> 01:50:47.681
Shame is one of my favorite movies.
01:50:47.681 --> 01:50:53.395
Yeah, but I've learned now that like, that is not always celebrated by people.
01:50:53.395 --> 01:50:55.981
Never. Do you have any idea the looks I've gotten?
01:50:55.981 --> 01:50:58.693
I showed this movie to my wife.
01:50:55.981 --> 01:50:58.693
She was a fucking lunatic.
01:50:58.693 --> 01:50:59.860
I was like, what?
01:50:59.860 --> 01:51:01.904
That. Wait, so I was like, dating someone?
01:51:01.904 --> 01:51:04.490
I don't know, last summer, very, very casual.
01:51:04.490 --> 01:51:06.576
And like, he kept saying, I was like a nice person.
01:51:06.576 --> 01:51:07.577
I was like, okay, cool.
01:51:07.577 --> 01:51:09.953
Like, I think I'm a decently nice person, sure.
01:51:09.953 --> 01:51:12.957
But it's not like I don't I don't think I'm like the nicest.
01:51:13.207 --> 01:51:20.131
So then we like, maybe it's been like a month and we get into like our favorite movies.
01:51:20.131 --> 01:51:24.844
And I tell him that shame is one of my favorite movies, and he has like a lot of questions about it.
01:51:24.844 --> 01:51:27.764
And he's also an actor.
01:51:24.844 --> 01:51:27.764
So I felt like it's in safe space. Yeah.
01:51:27.764 --> 01:51:33.560
I was like, yeah, like, you know, I've kind of had like a crazy history when it comes to like, relationships and stuff.
01:51:33.560 --> 01:51:43.154
And this just like, was so raw and so real and so ugly that, like, it made me feel like, wow, you can talk about this stuff in this way.
01:51:43.154 --> 01:51:44.988
And it didn't make me feel shame.
01:51:44.988 --> 01:51:47.074
It made me feel seen in.
01:51:47.074 --> 01:51:53.997
And after that conversation, this guy goes, have you seen the movie?
01:51:53.997 --> 01:51:55.207
Yeah, I think so.
01:51:55.207 --> 01:51:57.042
I don't think he got out.
01:51:57.042 --> 01:51:59.253
I think he was freaked out.
01:51:59.253 --> 01:52:01.213
Fuck that. That's speaking my language.
01:52:01.213 --> 01:52:03.675
I'd be like, oh, that's yes, that is what the movie is doing.
01:52:03.675 --> 01:52:05.426
Yeah, you missed out, sucker.
01:52:05.426 --> 01:52:06.344
You missed out.
01:52:06.344 --> 01:52:07.095
But it was funny.
01:52:07.095 --> 01:52:10.014
You, me like try to come back like, I don't know, like months later.
01:52:10.014 --> 01:52:12.225
And I just like a funny conversation after that.
01:52:12.225 --> 01:52:17.063
But yeah, I think I scared him because she was one of my favorite with me. Yes.
01:52:17.063 --> 01:52:18.105
This is what I wanted.
01:52:18.105 --> 01:52:20.567
This is amazing.
01:52:18.105 --> 01:52:20.567
That's the power of shame.
01:52:20.567 --> 01:52:21.734
Shame, shame.
01:52:21.734 --> 01:52:23.069
Hundred one minutes long.
01:52:23.069 --> 01:52:24.695
But, no, I love it.
01:52:24.695 --> 01:52:29.408
I love it because I think it talks about, like, addiction and such.
01:52:30.534 --> 01:52:32.369
I don't know, such, like a real.
01:52:32.369 --> 01:52:34.747
Yeah, and they never even say that word.
01:52:32.369 --> 01:52:34.747
That's a real right.
01:52:34.747 --> 01:52:35.957
And it's not glamorized.
01:52:35.957 --> 01:52:40.627
I think, like, oftentimes like you watch a movie and it's like, oh, it's like so sexy to be like addicted to something.
01:52:40.627 --> 01:52:42.921
It's like, it's not. It's very painful. Yes.
01:52:42.921 --> 01:52:46.341
It makes you have a lot of like self-hatred.
01:52:46.341 --> 01:52:49.345
And I think that's a shame and a lot of shame.
01:52:49.511 --> 01:52:59.646
I think Fassbinder's relationship to his sister is, like, so bizarre, but so necessary to have in the film as to why he is the way he is.
01:53:00.064 --> 01:53:08.948
And yeah, I don't know, as someone who's had a colorful past and has found myself in situations where you're like, why the fuck was I in that situation?
01:53:08.948 --> 01:53:16.538
This movie to me is like so beautiful because I think it does justice to like going through ugly points in your life and not knowing what to do.
01:53:18.625 --> 01:53:19.000
Yeah.
01:53:19.000 --> 01:53:21.085
And if anyone's afraid of that I'm sorry.
01:53:21.085 --> 01:53:22.127
Don't apologize for.
01:53:22.127 --> 01:53:22.753
Well yeah.
01:53:22.753 --> 01:53:24.463
Maybe you haven't lived a full life okay.
01:53:24.463 --> 01:53:25.756
No you have I think.
01:53:25.756 --> 01:53:33.640
Yeah I think anyone who like appreciates that movie and sees it for all the ways that you're saying you've seen life, you've lived, you've seen life.
01:53:33.640 --> 01:53:35.350
I don't wish it on people. Of course.
01:53:35.350 --> 01:53:35.725
Of course.
01:53:35.725 --> 01:53:36.975
I've dealt with addiction.
01:53:36.975 --> 01:53:39.895
It's like such a beautiful film.
01:53:36.975 --> 01:53:39.895
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:53:39.895 --> 01:53:49.905
And that's something that's following me around my whole family stuff and yeah, addiction is not certainly something that I'm not unfamiliar with in that better than any movie I've seen about addiction.
01:53:49.905 --> 01:53:51.865
It doesn't even matter to me that it's about sex.
01:53:51.865 --> 01:53:53.909
It's about this compulsion, this thing.
01:53:53.909 --> 01:53:56.371
And yes, to your point, it is not fun.
01:53:56.371 --> 01:53:57.663
It is not glamorous.
01:53:57.663 --> 01:54:00.792
I don't care what it is. It ain't fun. No.
01:54:00.792 --> 01:54:03.627
Maybe it was years and years and years ago, but now it's like it ruins.
01:54:03.627 --> 01:54:05.380
It's dominating this guy's whole life.
01:54:05.380 --> 01:54:06.088
Yeah.
01:54:06.088 --> 01:54:11.927
And I think that's what I love about it is like it goes a step beyond what we typically see.
01:54:11.927 --> 01:54:16.431
It's like we typically see like a cliché version in my opinion, of what addiction is.
01:54:16.431 --> 01:54:28.485
But this like, yeah, to your point where it's it's like he has like, I don't know just how it destroys your life and who lives around the people around you.
01:54:28.485 --> 01:54:38.872
And also like the, the potential life, you know, like it ruins the potential connection that you could have with someone because you can't let it go if you don't like, deal with it.
01:54:39.122 --> 01:54:40.707
So, I don't know. I think it's just.
01:54:40.707 --> 01:54:46.045
Yeah, such like, such a raw way of showing, like, the future life.
01:54:46.045 --> 01:54:48.631
You ruined right past, present future.
01:54:48.631 --> 01:54:50.173
Like all of it. Yeah, yeah.
01:54:50.173 --> 01:54:59.516
Oh, I love that. I, last December I was going to see play in New York, and I just went by myself, took the train and I've always wanted to do, like, a little shame.
01:54:59.516 --> 01:55:00.768
Location tour I can't wait.
01:55:00.768 --> 01:55:02.770
I haven't yet, so I went to like, all of them.
01:55:02.770 --> 01:55:05.105
And when I got off the train, I went, wait a minute.
01:55:05.105 --> 01:55:11.362
He runs from his apartment to Madison Square Garden, which is where Union Station is, and I'm like, I can do this walk.
01:55:11.362 --> 01:55:16.743
So I just I can't believe I never done it, I did it, I'm I'm at the front of his building and I'm like, oh, this is so cool.
01:55:16.743 --> 01:55:18.661
You don't need a, key to get in the building.
01:55:18.661 --> 01:55:20.454
So I just walk into, like, the middle of the day.
01:55:20.454 --> 01:55:23.332
The guy at the front desk stand was so nice.
01:55:23.332 --> 01:55:25.083
He was like the nicest guy.
01:55:25.083 --> 01:55:26.920
He was waving to me and thought, I, like, live there.
01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:27.878
And I'm like, oh, I don't live here.
01:55:27.878 --> 01:55:29.546
One of my favorite movies was shot here.
01:55:29.546 --> 01:55:31.882
He had he didn't know what movie it was.
01:55:29.546 --> 01:55:31.882
You know, it's fine.
01:55:31.882 --> 01:55:35.595
And I went, can I just turn the corner and take pictures of the elevator bay?
01:55:35.595 --> 01:55:38.597
And he's like, sure, okay, go for it.
01:55:38.805 --> 01:55:39.974
And I did. He was so nice.
01:55:39.974 --> 01:55:43.685
And then I stayed in the standard that night, which is where he.
01:55:43.685 --> 01:55:46.021
Yeah, this coworker stayed there.
01:55:46.021 --> 01:55:47.981
That was awesome.
01:55:46.021 --> 01:55:47.981
Like the same type of room.
01:55:47.981 --> 01:55:50.525
Very cool, very cool stuff.
01:55:47.981 --> 01:55:50.525
I remember him in that picture. Yeah.
01:55:50.525 --> 01:55:51.985
I was like, oh, up here, up here.
01:55:51.985 --> 01:55:53.863
I should do that the next time I'm in New York.
01:55:53.863 --> 01:55:57.824
It was a lot of fun, very like trendy, you know, hotel, that type of deal.
01:55:57.824 --> 01:56:00.703
But it was just cool to be in the type of room he was.
01:56:00.703 --> 01:56:03.538
And you know, you get that view who's also. Oh so cool.
01:56:03.538 --> 01:56:04.414
I love that shit.
01:56:04.414 --> 01:56:06.960
So I didn't I did not know you had that big of a connection with it.
01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:07.793
So I love it.
01:56:07.793 --> 01:56:09.002
So that was my recommendation.
01:56:09.002 --> 01:56:11.381
Just I just wanted to talk about it.
01:56:09.002 --> 01:56:11.381
So thank you for that.
01:56:11.381 --> 01:56:12.547
Oh, God.
01:56:12.547 --> 01:56:15.885
You sir, I got nothing that good like I got like that.
01:56:15.969 --> 01:56:17.761
I'm not gonna be able to top that.
01:56:17.761 --> 01:56:19.430
Well, do whatever you want.
01:56:17.761 --> 01:56:19.430
You gotta read.
01:56:19.430 --> 01:56:22.432
I'm gonna have to talk to her about something that she likes.
01:56:22.475 --> 01:56:26.061
Oh, we know because I brought a movie to the table that I want to recommend.
01:56:26.270 --> 01:56:28.523
Well, then do that. What is it?
01:56:26.270 --> 01:56:28.523
What is it? What is it?
01:56:28.523 --> 01:56:31.400
It's a really. It's a really. It's a cheat because it's in their to movie.
01:56:31.400 --> 01:56:32.443
It's okay, it's fine.
01:56:32.443 --> 01:56:35.863
But I've rep this movie hard in the podcast before, so I'm just doing it again.
01:56:35.863 --> 01:56:37.364
Okay. Licorice pizza okay.
01:56:37.364 --> 01:56:39.826
I thought you were going to say.
01:56:37.364 --> 01:56:39.826
Oh, interesting, I love it.
01:56:39.826 --> 01:56:40.576
Have you seen that one?
01:56:40.576 --> 01:56:44.706
I have, yeah, it was like not my favorite as a lot of people's favorite.
01:56:44.706 --> 01:56:46.332
Yeah. Yeah a lot of people.
01:56:46.332 --> 01:56:48.251
It's just it's a shaggy movie.
01:56:48.251 --> 01:56:51.462
Like there's no real narrative like thing.
01:56:51.462 --> 01:56:53.213
Yeah. It's very loose.
01:56:53.213 --> 01:56:54.006
Yeah. Yeah.
01:56:54.006 --> 01:56:56.426
I guess it wasn't like I disliked it.
01:56:56.426 --> 01:56:58.845
It just didn't move me in any way.
01:56:58.845 --> 01:57:00.887
I was just like, okay, kind of after.
01:57:00.887 --> 01:57:03.640
Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. I'm in love with him.
01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:05.225
So all of them.
01:57:05.225 --> 01:57:09.896
So her being there a lot and then you know, Danielle are there as well.
01:57:09.896 --> 01:57:12.483
And their parents that's actually like their real parents.
01:57:12.483 --> 01:57:18.197
It. So yeah I like it I haven't seen it probably since you and I saw it I think I've seen it I think it's from my mom okay.
01:57:18.197 --> 01:57:21.199
And she loved it. Yeah. I got to see that.
01:57:21.242 --> 01:57:22.452
There's just something like.
01:57:22.452 --> 01:57:25.121
Yeah, there it is. Very loose.
01:57:22.452 --> 01:57:25.121
There isn't anything there.
01:57:25.121 --> 01:57:27.998
But sometimes I kind of like finding a movie that's like that.
01:57:27.998 --> 01:57:28.291
Yeah.
01:57:28.291 --> 01:57:31.377
Where, like, I remember it dawned on me, like, maybe like 15 minutes.
01:57:31.377 --> 01:57:34.380
I go, I think this is all this is going to be, right?
01:57:34.505 --> 01:57:38.551
But then, then within that I'm like, well, I'm kind of curious as to where it goes.
01:57:38.885 --> 01:57:45.600
And, and then you're just met with, like, all these ridiculous scenes like the Sean Penn thing is just love.
01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:48.644
That's so funny to me. And I like that.
01:57:48.644 --> 01:57:53.274
It's just it's the stakes aren't very high.
01:57:53.274 --> 01:57:56.527
It's the two very confused young people I know.
01:57:56.527 --> 01:57:59.322
There's the age discrepancy that everyone has a big problem with.
01:57:59.322 --> 01:58:02.324
I don't know, I didn't really 70s.
01:58:02.408 --> 01:58:04.743
It was just it's just hooking up there. Yeah.
01:58:04.743 --> 01:58:05.328
It was just it.
01:58:05.328 --> 01:58:09.707
And then her whole entire thing is, is like, why am I hanging out with this kid?
01:58:09.707 --> 01:58:10.123
Yeah.
01:58:10.123 --> 01:58:17.131
Like she's not happy with her station in life and she's just as confused about it as anyone.
01:58:17.131 --> 01:58:17.297
Right.
01:58:17.297 --> 01:58:20.134
And so I was like, that's like the point of her character.
01:58:20.134 --> 01:58:22.386
Yeah, yeah, but I just love it.
01:58:22.386 --> 01:58:23.637
I did too. Yeah. Great pic.
01:58:23.637 --> 01:58:25.014
That's all I got I love it.
01:58:25.014 --> 01:58:26.474
Yeah. It's good.
01:58:26.474 --> 01:58:33.898
Anything it's like you recommend this is hard because I feel like, I don't know, there's so many you can pivot right now and just talk about ten.
01:58:33.939 --> 01:58:36.818
It doesn't have to be this one.
01:58:33.939 --> 01:58:36.818
You can do whatever you want okay okay.
01:58:36.818 --> 01:58:37.275
Well okay.
01:58:37.275 --> 01:58:46.868
I'll mention like a couple that are kind of related to Phantom Thread, just in terms of relationships and slow burner movies that are also gorgeous in my opinion.
01:58:46.993 --> 01:58:48.537
So in the mood for love.
01:58:48.537 --> 01:58:54.710
Oh, I yeah, that's like one of my favorites just because every little detail matters.
01:58:54.752 --> 01:59:03.136
And so and also like the tension that's there is just so good and then also Cold War by.
01:59:03.136 --> 01:59:04.095
Oh wow.
01:59:04.095 --> 01:59:09.225
Oh like oh yeah 2018 I think it was rocks.
01:59:09.641 --> 01:59:15.939
That is like I think it's over like 30 years ago a couple and just one of them's an artist or both of them.
01:59:15.939 --> 01:59:18.400
An artist I can't remember should I can't.
01:59:18.400 --> 01:59:19.819
Well the one she's like a shame.
01:59:19.819 --> 01:59:20.235
Yeah.
01:59:20.235 --> 01:59:26.951
You're like just having this, like, angst about her and, like, just very, I don't know, out loud with her love.
01:59:26.951 --> 01:59:31.581
And then the guy is, like, a little bit more reserved and just, it's like a beautiful love story.
01:59:31.581 --> 01:59:33.791
It really is a good call.
01:59:33.791 --> 01:59:34.167
So. Yeah.
01:59:34.167 --> 01:59:35.251
Love those two.
01:59:35.251 --> 01:59:39.087
For, like, relationship reasons and just like the drama and beauty of it all.
01:59:39.087 --> 01:59:39.462
Yeah.
01:59:39.462 --> 01:59:47.262
And then one that I just think everyone needs to watch because, like society would be better if we did is Origin by Ava DuVernay okay.
01:59:47.555 --> 01:59:49.681
That movie came out last year.
01:59:49.681 --> 01:59:52.894
Did not get the type of attention I think it deserved.
01:59:54.604 --> 01:59:56.689
It's based on a book cast.
01:59:56.689 --> 01:59:57.398
Yeah, yeah.
01:59:57.398 --> 02:00:00.234
So it's based on the author of the book.
02:00:00.234 --> 02:00:14.748
So it takes like a, like a really interesting way of talking about this, like concept of like cast in terms of how we view people and how we rank them in society of, like, who's the elite versus who's the commoner?
02:00:15.123 --> 02:00:17.835
Who do we pay attention to, who do we not pay attention to?
02:00:17.835 --> 02:00:35.895
And it threads like American slavery with Nazi Germany with the caste system in India, all through this woman who wrote the book through her tragic life, like she just goes through like all these different tragedies.
02:00:36.103 --> 02:00:38.605
But I think it's stunning. It's beautiful.
02:00:38.605 --> 02:00:42.275
And it like, will change how you like, view humanity.
02:00:42.275 --> 02:00:44.444
So it's like a very what is selling.
02:00:44.444 --> 02:00:46.529
So let me leave it I love it, I love it.
02:00:46.529 --> 02:00:49.408
I'm so glad you liked it.
02:00:46.529 --> 02:00:49.408
Yeah. Did you read the book?
02:00:49.408 --> 02:00:50.993
I, I actually haven't read the book.
02:00:50.993 --> 02:00:52.828
I bought the book. It's sitting on my shelf.
02:00:52.828 --> 02:00:55.456
It just feels too intimidating right now to get into.
02:00:55.456 --> 02:00:59.252
Oh, yeah, but the movie I like bawled the whole time.
02:00:59.292 --> 02:01:00.461
Oh, wow. Wow.
02:01:00.461 --> 02:01:18.645
Because that that's such like a that's such like I wonder like how the book adaptation is for the movie just because it seems like such a very, very not, not, convoluted, but like a very dense way of mixing a lot of different things that work in the movie.
02:01:18.854 --> 02:01:23.024
Well, I think that's why the movie's so beautiful, because she focuses on the author.
02:01:23.359 --> 02:01:24.734
And so you like, that's the.
02:01:24.734 --> 02:01:25.027
Yeah.
02:01:25.027 --> 02:01:38.666
So like, you connect with her as, like a journalist becomes an author and how she has her own personal relationships and how she, like, has to rely on the people around her to get her story made.
02:01:38.873 --> 02:01:47.173
So it's like a very, I think, like, high level way of like talking about a topic, but making it personal.
02:01:47.800 --> 02:01:49.885
Yeah. And that's, that's what you have to do. Yeah.
02:01:49.885 --> 02:01:52.387
Yeah, that's that's the way in.
02:01:49.885 --> 02:01:55.640
Because I mean, you could like, have college courses about what the book gets into.
02:01:55.682 --> 02:02:00.061
But the movie, I think does a beautiful job of like condensing.
02:02:00.061 --> 02:02:02.355
Yeah. In a way it's relatable. Yeah, sure.
02:02:02.355 --> 02:02:03.440
Yeah. Cool.
02:02:03.440 --> 02:02:05.734
Great shout outs I love that. Nice. Yeah.
02:02:05.734 --> 02:02:12.198
I didn't know about the, I mean, I knew like loosely about that caste system in India, but I didn't know it was.
02:02:12.198 --> 02:02:17.621
I have friends who've read the book and they say it's like their favorite book ever. Yeah, I didn't know about any of that.
02:02:17.621 --> 02:02:20.373
It was wild. Yeah. It, like, flips everything on its head.
02:02:20.373 --> 02:02:23.586
Just like the way we like you humans.
02:02:24.795 --> 02:02:26.046
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
02:02:26.046 --> 02:02:28.090
You know, very, like high level, but I love it.
02:02:28.090 --> 02:02:30.259
Good, good. Well, thank you for those.
02:02:28.090 --> 02:02:30.259
Those are all great.
02:02:30.259 --> 02:02:31.469
Yeah. What else.
02:02:31.469 --> 02:02:35.139
Anything else you got going on like auditioning film, TV?
02:02:35.139 --> 02:02:36.222
Yeah.
02:02:36.222 --> 02:02:37.515
Those are the main goals.
02:02:37.515 --> 02:02:40.353
And then doing voiceover, which is always fun.
02:02:40.353 --> 02:02:47.943
And I have my children's books and I also this is called Cake Mix learning to love all your ingredients.
02:02:47.943 --> 02:02:56.034
It's a very cute like children's book because I, I don't know, I was bored during Covid. Yeah, yeah for sure.
02:02:56.034 --> 02:02:56.493
Yeah.
02:02:56.493 --> 02:03:04.377
But it's been really fun to kind of have a story that exists in the world that I, I get to meet the people that it's impacting.
02:03:04.377 --> 02:03:07.546
So it's like doing like school visits or festivals.
02:03:08.088 --> 02:03:11.050
I recently did a festival as like for Hispanic Heritage Month.
02:03:11.050 --> 02:03:17.347
And this girl, she's, I think in junior high now, but I met her last year and she came up just like, hey, like, do you remember me?
02:03:17.347 --> 02:03:20.016
I was like, yeah, I remember you. Like, I met her whole family.
02:03:20.016 --> 02:03:22.770
And her family is like very mixed, like multicultural.
02:03:22.770 --> 02:03:24.604
So it really resonated with them.
02:03:24.604 --> 02:03:29.109
And she's like, yeah, like, I keep your book in a glass box for all my important things.
02:03:29.109 --> 02:03:30.860
And I like, oh.
02:03:30.860 --> 02:03:33.072
So yeah, it's like, that's why I wrote it.
02:03:33.072 --> 02:03:41.788
It's like to connect with kids and to help them understand, like who they are in a way that's like light and fun, yet important at the same time.
02:03:41.788 --> 02:03:48.546
So yeah, cake mix can be found on Amazon or bookshop or wherever you like to buy your books.
02:03:48.796 --> 02:03:50.338
One. Yeah, and it's fun.
02:03:50.338 --> 02:03:57.054
I don't know, I think I've had friends to who are like adults who are mixed, who love it, and also people who are not mixed, who enjoy it too.
02:03:57.054 --> 02:03:59.180
Like I think it's for everyone.
02:03:59.180 --> 02:04:02.309
So yeah, a little way to be a storyteller.
02:04:02.475 --> 02:04:05.270
Yeah, I love that. I look for it every single time I go to a bookstore.
02:04:05.270 --> 02:04:08.774
Do you like I literally am the weird guy that goes in children's section.
02:04:09.065 --> 02:04:09.442
Yeah.
02:04:09.442 --> 02:04:15.738
And I was like, so let me say that out loud, I, I love I go to the children's this year.
02:04:15.738 --> 02:04:17.158
Yeah.
02:04:17.158 --> 02:04:19.243
Mixed. Oh I love that.
02:04:19.243 --> 02:04:21.953
So what a story to to hear that.
02:04:19.243 --> 02:04:21.953
Like I keep it in a glass.
02:04:21.953 --> 02:04:22.829
That sucks.
02:04:22.829 --> 02:04:25.332
Oh so so sweet sweet.
02:04:25.332 --> 02:04:26.833
Like, why do we make stories right.
02:04:26.833 --> 02:04:27.917
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
02:04:27.917 --> 02:04:30.546
Make people feel I don't know.
02:04:30.546 --> 02:04:33.298
Yeah. Yes. Yes. Exactly, exactly.
02:04:33.298 --> 02:04:37.636
And when you're able to share it and it and you get that type of response, that's just what it's all about.
02:04:37.636 --> 02:04:40.389
Yeah. It's very cool.
02:04:40.389 --> 02:04:42.725
Thank you so much for doing this. Yeah.
02:04:42.725 --> 02:04:44.100
Oh my gosh. Yes.
02:04:44.100 --> 02:04:44.435
Thank you.
02:04:44.435 --> 02:04:48.189
So I'm so happy I want to do it every time I come to L.A.
02:04:48.189 --> 02:04:50.899
Like oh yeah. Get you on a pod. Yeah.
02:04:50.899 --> 02:04:51.484
This is great.
02:04:51.484 --> 02:04:55.320
I really loved all the different perspectives that, you know, we talked about as it relates to Phantom Thread.
02:04:55.320 --> 02:04:58.323
It was fun.
02:04:55.320 --> 02:04:58.323
A lot of fun. Good times. Times.
02:04:58.573 --> 02:05:00.158
Maybe the best guess we've had.
02:05:00.158 --> 02:05:00.951
Oh, absolutely.
02:05:00.951 --> 02:05:01.993
1,000%. Yeah.
02:05:01.993 --> 02:05:04.872
And I am the first since the first woman.
02:05:04.872 --> 02:05:05.497
Yeah.
02:05:05.497 --> 02:05:08.708
Oh man gets to talk about film. Yes.
02:05:08.958 --> 02:05:09.417
Yeah, yeah.
02:05:12.880 --> 02:05:14.006
God. All right.
02:05:14.006 --> 02:05:15.757
Let us know what you think.
02:05:15.757 --> 02:05:19.845
Phantom Thread of Nic's performance on this podcast.
02:05:19.929 --> 02:05:20.595
We don't make you did.
02:05:20.595 --> 02:05:23.431
Well, I like Nick's notes. Yeah, yeah.
02:05:23.431 --> 02:05:24.725
Handwritten notes.
02:05:24.725 --> 02:05:25.768
Yeah, I was saying. Right.
02:05:25.768 --> 02:05:27.353
I'm on my laptop here.
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Just a few. Just a few.
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You didn't have any.
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You just have a great.
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I watched it three days ago. Yeah, it was press.
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Yeah, it was up there.
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Let us know what you think of Phantom Thread of Everything at WA w underscore podcast on Instagram.
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Twitter.
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We're out there. What's the other one?
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Letterboxd.
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We're out there to let us know.
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But at what?
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I just sign up for Letterboxd.
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Yeah, I follow you about it.
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And I'm like, follows like another app.
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But no I'm excited. Yeah.
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There it's yeah okay. Do it, do it.
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All right.
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But as always thanks for listening and happy watching.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That was amazing.
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So thank you guys. It's awesome.
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I feel like 72 because I was like I don't talk about movies.
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I know you I like talking with friends but not like formally.
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So this is fun.
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Well and that's and that's kind of like how we try to do it.
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Right.
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Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
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Hey, everyone.
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Thanks again for listening.
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You can watch my films and read my movie blog at Alex withrow.com.
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Nicholas Dose Telecom is where you can find all of Nick's film work.
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Send us mailbag questions at What Are You Watching podcast at gmail.com or find us on Twitter, Instagram and Letterboxd at WRI w underscore podcast.
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Give it up for the great Mickey Hernandez.
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What a privilege to have her on.
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Loved all of her insights on Phantom Thread.
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Shame, shame.
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The extremely large railroad station in New York City is called Penn Station, not Union Station.
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Oops.
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Cake mix learning to Love All Your Ingredients by Mickey Hernandez is available wherever you get your books, including Amazon Kindle, hardcover, paperback.
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It's right there.
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Go show Mickey some support. Cake mix.
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Learning to love all your ingredients.
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Daniel Day-Lewis is indeed back.
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If the press is telling us the truth, DDL will star in his son Ronan Day-lewis's first feature film, a mini.
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I hope I'm saying that right.
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Written by DDL and Ronan costarring Sean Bean and Samantha Morton, this appears to be legit.
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Focus Features and Plan B are producing.
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It seems like they're filming it right now.
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All right, here we go.
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And finally, next time, this is the girl, David Lynch.
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From Eraserhead to Inland Empire, crack open your Pabst Blue Ribbons.
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Oh, my. Stay tuned.
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You ready? Sir?
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I'm born ready.
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I was born ready.
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You're taking a sip.
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You're damn right.
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I was, like, the wrong type.
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All right, nurse, so.
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All right, now.