Source Material #424 - Bruce Wayne Murderer? Part 3

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Around with hero Slad and Billy taken.
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We're here to dissect Hey material time.
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Let me tell you how two thirds of this book
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are awesome. In the one third of this book.
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Is a giant waste my time right last last eight issues.
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With the Man duck Bat the Chinese peaking duck Man Bat, I'm.
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So done with it With Bruce Wayne publicly branded a
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fugitive Batman number six oh one and six oh two
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shifts focus to how he functions without the Bruce identity
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at all, Operating solely as Batman. He refuses Alfred's pleased
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to reclaim the man behind the mask, and instead throws
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himself into stopping Nicodemus, a fire wielding vigilante targeting corrupt officials.
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What initially appears to be ideological cleansing is revealed as
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calculated revenge by counselman Thomas Hart, whose parents murder was
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buried by corruption years earlier. Heart positions himself as a
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twisted mirror of Batman, arguing Gotham is beyond saving and
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must be burned clean Bruce.
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To the left.
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Bruce rejects that philosophy outright, even while cut off from
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his name and family. He still believes Gotham can be redeemed,
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marking a crucial distinction between vengeance and justice. That ideological
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tension continues in Detective Comics seven sixty nine to seven
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to seventy, where Batman tracks poisoned heroine flooding Gotham's streets.
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Eken Zoo the King Duck Batman another's another zelot who
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views himself as a divine purifier, sees Batman as a
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kindred spirit. Bruce firmly rejects the comparison, saving lives rather
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than sacrificing them for a greater good. Yet, even as
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he defeats ekeon the arc reveals deeper political corruption in
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a larger conspiracy tied to powerful interests in the pattern.
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And you need you to go to sue new and
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make yourself a peaking duck Batman.
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I could do that. That is the nice little prompt
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right there for me to tear it up.
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There.
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The pattern is clear. Gotham's rot runs systemic and calculated,
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not chaotic. Bruce is fighting enemies who weaponized ideology and corruption,
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while he himself remains publicly accused of murder and cut
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off from the life that he wants. That once shielded him. Meanwhile,
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the Bat Family begins uncovering concrete proof that Bruce was
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brufeoff fire that Bruce was framed. In Batgirl number twenty seven,
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Cassandra Caine discovers vesper Fairchild was incapacitated with a precise
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nerve strike right before her death, evidence before Bruce could
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not have inflicted in the manner described in night Wing
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number sixty eight and sixty nine and Gotham Knight's Number
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twenty eight. Dick, Tim and Alfred to analyze doctored surveillance footage,
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trace unexplained power outages, and ultimately uncover physical evidence of
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a covert intrusion into the Bat Cave itself. Infrared smoke
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tests reveal hidden entry points on the Wayne estate and
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damaged electronic components confirmed that someone infiltrated the cave and
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planted equipment prior to the murder. The frame up is
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no longer theoretical, it is engineered. As Bruce distances himself
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further declaring Bruce Wayne disposable. His ally stepped further outside
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the law to protect his name. Night Wing steals official
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case files, Tim digs through digital trails in Cassandra exhumes
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a body to uncover the truth. Yes she does. It
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is pretty gruesome. While Bruce isolates himself emotionally and ideologically,
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choosing to operate only as Batman, the people he once
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mentored refuse to let him abandon the man beneath the mask.
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The contrast sharpens. Bruce believes severing ties makes him stronger,
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but it is those very connects that are now assembling
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the evidence to bring him back from the brink and
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prove that Bruce Wayne was never the villain of this story.
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So there you go. That's how we're wrapping things up.
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I'll throw my notes out here real quick. Like I said,
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there are a lot of side stories that were thrown
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into this trade. I'm really surprised that they didn't go
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and be like, all right, from the pages of Batman
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six oh one and didn't just take those like two
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pages that apply. But yeah, the Nicodemus stuff, I mean
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was it was a good story, I think, I mean,
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I like the story, but like you said, it's a
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little bit so that makes sense. Then we have the
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heroin story, which was titled Purity, which is interesting because
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they drop us into that story at part two, and
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if you're.
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Reading the Batman book, it like what happened to the
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murderer storyline? There was like it just gets dropped. There
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was one where I was sitting there.
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It was night Wing and Dick goes back to blood
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Haven and he's facing off, like we end the issue
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where he's facing off against this huge, bulking dude named Amygdala. Yeah,
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and you don't see anything of that after that.
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You don't know.
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I mean, granted, that's not part of what we're wanting
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to learn about, but boy, there was some continuity weirdness
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because they had all these titles going on and this
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story at the same time.
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It made this trade they really should have done, like
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how like some trades were, they're only taking parts of
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books and like editing them together to make one slick trade.
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That's what this needed.
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Yeah, and there was another point where it legitimately jumped
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to part eight of Bruce Wayne Fugitive after part three.
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I think it was like after part three or part four,
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and then it was like part eight. I was like,
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what the hell? And it was in the middle of
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the Peaking Duck Batman story where it did that, which
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didn't make any sense to me. Again, it was a
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lot of side tangents, a lot of stuff that really
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didn't Again this is the trade whatever. It's nice to
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see we actually get some evidence or at least some
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stuff that supports that that Bruce didn't do this. The
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Cassandra finding the nerve strike, which i places a tiny
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fracture on a person's jawl, and we learn that obviously
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plays out through the issue because she hits Spoiler with
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it twice, which is hilarious, knocks her ass out twice,
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and then she goes and finds that on Vesper Fairchild's body.
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But yeah, that was a bit gruesome by the way
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her digging it up and then Spoiler waking up and
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looking over and there's Vesper like laid up against her
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tombstone and Batgirl's just off pondering life.
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I really like the way they wrote Barbara Gordon in
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this story. Okay, yeah, I mean Oracle is usually like
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she's usually the guy in the van, that's her character
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since she's been shot by the Joker. Here she's running
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the show like it's a Batman Bruce Wayne murderer. But
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this is as much a Barber Gordon story, and she
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really this is a.
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Testing of faith.
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This is about loyalty, This is about competence. And her
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relationship with Black Canary is amazing because that.
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Issue, that issue where she gets her to go into
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the bank.
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Yeah, wait, where do I go? What do I do? Run? Fast? Thanks?
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I see why we call you Oracle?
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Yes?
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But how much love and how much faith and trust
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is there between Barbara and Dinah that Dinah is willing
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to take orders essentially from Barbara?
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Yeah, Barbara has to be very careful. Who knows Bruce's
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identity as Batman? Dinah does not. And Dinah has no
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idea that Bruce is Batman and she's taking these orders.
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She questions it like maybe once or twice, and but
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she knows and.
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Does bullshit in the world that the half the Justice
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League doesn't know who Batman is? Yeah, how does no
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one talk about this? Wonder Woman knows who he is?
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Superman knows who he is, like the main members of
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the Justice League will know. Green Arrow knows who he is.
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He's never once told Black Canary, weren't they a thing?
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How have you never whispered in the throes of passion?
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By the way, call me Batman, call me Bruce? What
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Like there's no fucking way his secrets that well capped
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by the Justice League.
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Yeah, well, yeah, I mean then we oh I forgot
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and I didn't put this is not in the synopsis
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because it's just clearly the stuff about the the Triad
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and the Mortician and the zombies like that, I forgot
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all about that. I mean that was just like completely
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off the trail, like what is going on here? Oh boy?
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I will say the Batgirl issues move fast. There is
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a lot less attention to dialogue, and it's more show
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than tell, which is beautiful. But yeah, I like the
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fact that we finally get some evidence. I love the
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idea of smoking the hall that Alfred comes up with,
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where they're like, well, we've got to figure out how
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did somebody get into the bat Cave. And it took
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those three to come up with an idea night when
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Alfred is the ones that is like, release some smoke,
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and Tim's like, yeah, but make it infrared, like so
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nobody else can see it, only we can respect from gas.
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Some type of gas, that's right, And then they're able
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to see it through like infrared or whatever. And then
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Dick finds whatever machine was in the back cave.
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Yeah, they can't figure it out it was like through
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some a there's like a barn on the property and
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there was somebody had been in that. He scales down
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into the cave and he finds the like wires and
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some device or some sort. That's kind of where we
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leave it, though, I mean, we finally get some evidence
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at the end of.
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This weird place to end the book. I thought it
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was considering he's been a fugitive already. I think the
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fugitive book is smaller than the book, which again, why
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didn't this just end with him breaking out a black
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gate and that's the end of Batman Murderer.
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I do not know why they decided to go into fugitive.
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Like I said, all the issues passed Bruce Murderer that
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were added into this trade, like a bunch of them
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didn't need to be said. I don't know why that.
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The weakness of this story is that if you edit
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it to just the murderer stuff, it's a nice story
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about how the bat family is trying to figure out
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how they more or less believe he was framed. How
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was he framed is the mystery. Yeah, that's the good stuff.
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Everything that isn't how he was framed is bullshit, and
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for that, like, I like the main story, all the
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side stuff is shit. It's just it's not interesting at all. Again,
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him and Pete King, ben manbat is not interesting to me.
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Stuff with Dick.
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Then there's that one like two part story where the
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one kid gets like kidnapped for figuring out how to
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cheetah gambling.
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Oh yeah, this is the.
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Yeah, I'm like, why is this here anything again?
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I understand number one, it's early two thousands DC. We
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got all these titles going on at the same time,
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so we got stick to their storylines or continuity whatever.
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And you guys are here for the Robin story. But
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we got to sprinkle a little Batman fugitive in here
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too every once in a while. So here's about two
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or three pages of Barbara Gordon talking to Tim Drake
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and then we're back to Kip Carrington being abducted. This
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trade could have been twenty times shorter.
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Yeah, I get it.
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You're a slave to what you want to give your readers.
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And if your readers are counting on that Kip Carrington
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story and everybody at Brentwood, and if Tim Drake's dad
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Jack and.
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Tim Drake and poor Tim Drake's dad has now fucking lost.
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All of us.
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I'm reading some of this, I'm just like, I don't care.
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I've lost all your investments, joined the club.
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Yeah, he bet on bitcoin. I mean that's all I had.
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I don't know if you had anything else here for
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the final bit.
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Like I said, I'm in it for the first two thirds,
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and then we get to that last couple of issues
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where it's just Pete king Man bat and the zombies
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and and all this bullshit that has nothing to do
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with the murderer storyline, and I'm like, I don't care.
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It's so funny.
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I'm glad we read this. I'm glad we're talking about it.
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But it's not perfect.
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There was a point where I was going to get
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upset because I thought in your trade you had the condensed,
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like just straight up little bits of Bruce Wayne Murderer
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and a fugitive that mattered. And I was reading the
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whole issue and I had to suffer through all that
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bs because I was actually reading the digital floppies, if
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you will. But then I found the trade online and
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I was looking through it and I'm like, nope, he
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had to suffer the same way I did.
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Yeah, so you had sent me a thing like, hey,
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you better get started reading this.
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It's a wordy tomb.
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So So America and I but naked swimming on Saturday,
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and then I came back.
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I was out in the sun all day.
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Yeah, they're doing some renovations at the naked swimming hole
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and where there's normally shade in the conversation poll, there's
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no longer shade, but there's no like tarps overneath anymore.
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Or in case anyone's happened to be going to the
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particular naked swimming hole that I'm referring to, they're currently
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it's under renovations in the tarps are no longer there.
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I'm sorry to say. Oh yeah, and you're being in
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your comic book show. I'm sure this is very important
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and information that people needed. The point of me bringing
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that up one.
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I don't know if that's going to make the final cut.
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I really don't.
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What got cut? So I was naked swimming. I have
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a what gut cut?
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That's an hour and a half long right now, over
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like twenty episodes.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy perfect. I'm glad I made the cut.
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I'm glad this I'll be longer on that that I
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am in this episode, but Jesse's done with me.
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What got cuts an hour and a half long? Because
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that's all of you on Joe the Barbarian.
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Anyway, So I was out in the sun all day
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as the point of that story. So we get back
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to the house and I start to read Batman Murderer
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because I gotta I gotta take some time, I gotta
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get it in. Yeah, Jesse told me to start reading
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the story, and I knew I was gonna have a
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lot of time today. But things do happen, and I
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don't always have as much time as I think I do,
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and I didn't want a she Hulk situation where I'm
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like literally like trying to finish it.
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Before the podcast starts.
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So I start reading it and I fucking passed out,
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and I got woken up for dinner. Then I watched
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the Elimination Chamber, uh, and then I read.
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About a third of the book.
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So I started it Saturday night and then I finished it.
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I got up this this morning, I think, Yeah, I
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got up this morning about seven am. I still sup
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like nine hours but which is rare for me. But
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I got up and I was like, I gotta read
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this book. And Eric is just like and I'm like, eh, Plier,
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where's elsewhere? I have things to do. I have comics
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to read. So yep, I did the ultimate nerdy thing.
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Turned down sex for.
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Not a badge you need to be wearing.
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It's all right, It's always there when I want it.
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My point is, I heard the book this morning and
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I finished just in time to leave to go see Spring.
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But you're right it took me six seven hours I
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think total. Yeah, I spent through this thing. So essentially,
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we'll read the issue and then make my notes. I've
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started doing things different now, and I used to sit
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there and I drag.
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I do a digital way of with chat GBT. Now
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what I do is I'll read the issue and I'll
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dictate what's happening to chat TBT, so I get the
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summer and make my notes at the same time, which helps.
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That's all you and I don't have to do shit.
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I just have to come on here and be entertaining.
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Oh well all right then, yeah, that's why I can
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cut out of Joe the Bavarian though, because I'm not entertaining.
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Just it's like cutting your floor.
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Okay, So next up it's going to be Bruce Wayne Fugitive. Yeah,
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the second half of that.
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Yeah, that's gonna be. I just did the schedule today.
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That's the same day that Fradyavlo Master of Ovens comes out.
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Oh nice, fifth full length album, I think, very nice.
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Recipes to the Damned Holidays are hell, Grandma's Candy, Grandma's
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Country Kitchen, and yeah, this is number four Master of Ovens,
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so nice. That'll be the same day we do Batman.
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Bruce Wayne Fugtev love it.
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Well, let's go ahead and get in the rest of
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the plugs.
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What else is on the schedule, Well, this source material live.
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So if you've been watching this video, or if you
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are watching this video at some point in the next
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couple of days, here's what's happening tomorrow.
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We'll review Scream seven. I liked it a lot more.
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I was not looking forward to it at all.
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It was literally a schedule obligation. I ended up liking
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it a lot more than I thought I would. It
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definitely returns to like the form of like making fun
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of itself, and it definitely acknowledged the fact that this
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is this is a thirty year old franchise or some
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shit so there's that. We have a double dose of
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damn you Hollywood. This week Thursday is our Best Picture
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Oscar nomination show, so we will go over all ten
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of the Best Picture nominations and then we'll give our
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g for the rest of the Oscar noms. That'll be fun.
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No show this Sunday. I will be judging an MMA fight.
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Next week we'll do it Danuel Hollywood for Hoppers. Then
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new Pixar movie Alexis is reviewing a Night of the
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Seven Kingdoms. I guess that's a Game of Throne spin off.
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And then a week from Thursday, Robert gets his shot
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at Triple Feature and it gets to finally do a
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director focus. This is yet again another Roberts is why
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he picks at me at this This is get another
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Robert show he's had to like, I've had to postpone
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three different times due to scheduling reasons. So I was like,
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I'm never gonna move the show, Like this has to
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be where it is done. Yeah, we've had this rollan
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Emricks show planned for like two years now.
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We're looking at the.
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Day after Tomorrow, twenty twelve and the Patriot.
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Woh good stuff.
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Weirdly enough, Gavin and pat were like, what the fuck
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with the Rollan Emericks show? Why is the Patriot here?
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I'm like, because it was directed by Roland Emmerick. Would
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you want me to put Godzilla, which we've already reviewed.
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What else he's done in the the same vein?
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I mean rolling Emrick's doing for a lot of day, right,
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But like I said, I've reviewed Independence, yeah, Godzilla, like
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I reviewed reviewed Moonfall when it came out, Like I've
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done a fair amount of rolling Emrick already.
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So like this is what was available.
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Ladies and gentlemen, go check out the Source Material Comics
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podcast feed. There's all sorts of great podcasts on there.
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We're talking about comics with me and Mark Radlicch get
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together here and talk on source Material a lot. You
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can go listen to our discussion on Nameless, which I
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think is dropping tomorrow.
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That should be in the Year of Our Lord.
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You hear me and Mark talk the ever crazy mind
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of Grant Morrison and some of the whacked out stuff
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he can put out there when somebody just decides not
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to edit this guy. And then yeah, the Unspoken Issues
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podcast where we talk nineties comics all the time. Me
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and Chris Armstrong and Evan Bevans just got together and
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talked Generation Oh my goodness, hold on, it's twenty ninety nine.
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It's not Generation X. That's not what it was. X
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Nation is what it was. X Nation twenty ninety nine
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number one, and that was a poor winner. And then
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of course it's Snap Material podcast for me and Evan
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Bevans get together and talk. Marvel stops so check that out. Well,
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that being said, we're getting out of here. Over there
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is Mark Radley.
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Hang on, hang on, hang on, let me help you.
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So poor Jesse starts here. I'm Mark RADLEYZ. This has
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been the Source Material podcast.
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Shameful, shameful, shameful. Are you just going down?
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This is what Jesse?
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It continues to go.
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It's me, this is what Jesse's thinking right now. You
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may go, Jesse.
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You tell him to be well and be safe and
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behave or something.
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Wait, we got a comment of the church tomorrow is
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going to be so rough. Oh you have no idea?
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Oh boy, Jesse, I'm Mark. We well be saved and behave.
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Thanks for joining us. All of this would not be
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