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Every retailer says they're investing in shelf intelligence. Cameras, smart shelves, electronic shelf labels, computer vision, RFID, autonomous robots. The investment list has been the same for three years running. So why are only 9.1% of retailers actually running current computer vision, and only 12.2% running current ESLs?
In this episode of Data Blades, Ricardo Belmar and Casey Golden sit down with Greg Buzek, President and Founder of IHL Group, to unpack the brand-new 2026 Retail Transformation Study: How Retail Leaders Outperform. It's the largest annual survey of retail technology leaders in the industry, and Greg's team interviewed more than 400 brands to build it.
The data tells a story the industry hasn't fully reckoned with yet. Shelf intelligence applications in retail are not a hardware problem. The cameras are everywhere. The ESLs are on the shelves. The RFID tags are in the boxes. What's missing is the network, the edge compute, and the architectural roadmap to actually turn all of that hardware into intelligence.
Greg walks through every layer of the modern shelf intelligence stack, the order he'd deploy it in if he were sitting in a retail CIO's chair this year, and the specific ROI numbers that separate the retailers winning at shelf intelligence from the ones still talking about it.
In This Episode, You’ll Learn:
- What shelf intelligence actually means in 2026 and why the definition has expanded beyond "the manager walking the aisles"
- Why the network is the deciding factor for every shelf intelligence deployment, regardless of which sensors you choose
- How RFID sales winners outperform peers by 6.5x, and why Walmart is now tagging items under a dollar
- Why computer vision deployment is still under 10% across retail, and the hidden reason most pilots stall
- The controversial story behind electronic shelf labels, COVID, and the union pushback that's happening right now
- How facial recognition reduces theft by 74%, and the cultural reasons it has not gone mainstream in the US
- Why 80% of grocery SKUs sell less than one unit a week, and what that means for shelf intelligence and assortment strategy
- Greg's recommended deployment order for retail CIOs: network first, then edge, then ESLs, then RFID, then computer vision
Resource Links
How Retail Leaders Outperform - https://www.ihlservices.com/product/how-retail-leaders-outperform/
Shelf Intelligence Report - https://www.ihlservices.com/product/shelf-intelligence-report-rebuilding-retail-relationships-through-automation/
Adapt or Be Outpaced - https://www.ihlservices.com/product/adapt-or-be-outpaced-tech-imperative-for-retails-midmarket/
Fixing Inventory Distortion - https://www.ihlservices.com/product/fixing-inventory-distortion-whos-winning-whos-failing-whats-working/
Closing the Execution Gap - https://www.ihlservices.com/product/closing-the-execution-gap/
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About Our Guests
Greg Buzek. https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregbuzek/
IHL Group. https://www.ihlservices.com/
RetailROI. https://www.retailroi.org
Greg Buzek is the Founder, President and Principal Analyst of IHL Group, one of the most respected retail technology research firms in the world. IHL's annual Retail Transformation Study is the largest survey of retail technology leaders in the industry, covering more than 400 brands across every retail segment. Greg is also the founder of Retail Orphan Initiative (Retail ROI), which this week surpassed $6 million in total grants to help children around the world through the industry's Super Saturday campaign.
Noted by RIS News as one of the Top 10 Influentials in Retail and the National Retail Federation as one of “The List of People Shaping Retail’s Future“, he has a Masters Degree in Business Administration (MBA) from The Ohio State University, and 30 years of experience in retail market analysis, business planning, product development, and consulting with Fortune 500 companies. He is also a member of the Top 100 Retail Influencers from RETHINK Retail.
Chapters
(00:00) Teaser
(00:46) Show Intro
(03:45) Welcome Greg Buzek!
(06:04) What Shelf Intelligence Means
(08:51) ESLs and Union Pushback
(09:38) RFID Wins for Inventory
(13:14) Computer Vision and Robots
(16:00) Facial Recognition Debate
(19:22) ROI and Winner Benchmarks
(23:31) Customer Expectations and Stockouts
(26:11) Inventory Accuracy Crisis
(26:50) Shelf Intelligence Value
(29:44) Fashion Returns Problem
(32:18) Grocery SKU Overload
(37:56) Vendor Managed Compliance
(40:16) Butter Stock Club
(41:46) CIO Roadmap to Scale
(47:46) Show Close
About your Hosts
Helping you cut through the clutter in retail data insights:
Ricardo Belmar is an NRF Top Retail Voice for 2025 and a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Expert from 2021 – 2026. Thinkers 360 has named him a Top 10 Thought Leader in Retail and eCommerce, a Top 25 Thought Leader in Careers, a Top 50 Thought Leader in Agentic AI, AGI and Management, and a Top 100 Thought Leader in AI Ethics, Marketing, Digital Transformation andTransformation. Thinkers 360 also named him a Top Digital Voice for 2024 and 2025. He is an advisory council member at George Mason University’s Center for Retail Transformation and the Retail Cloud Alliance. He was most recently the partner marketing leader for retail & consumer goods in the Americas at Microsoft.
Casey Golden, is the North America Leader for Retail & Consumer Goods at CI&T, and CEO of Luxlock. She is a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Expert from 2023 - 2026, and Retail Cloud Alliance advisory council member. After a career on the fashion and supply chain technology side of the business, Casey is obsessed with the customer relationship between the brand and the consumer and is slaying franken-stacks and building retail tech!
Music
Includes music provided by imunobeats.com, featuring Tech Lore from the album Beat Hype, written by Heston Mimms, published by Imuno.
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Every retailer says they're investing in shelf
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intelligence, cameras, smart shelves, ESLs, computer vision.
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But IHL just dropped a number that should make every retail
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CIO, COO, and CFO very uncomfortable.
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Only nine point one percent of retailers have current computer vision deployed.
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The hardware is everywhere.
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The intelligence isn't.
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In this episode of Data Blades, Greg Buzek of IHL joins us to
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explain the whole tech stack, RFID, smart shelves, cameras, plus why the
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network underneath the shelf is the thing nobody's really talking about and why
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it may be the only thing that matters.
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Welcome to season two, episode seven, retail data junkies.
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This is the Retail Razor Data Blades, the podcast that slices through complex
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retail research to bring you sharp, actionable insights you can use today.
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I'm Ricardo Belmar.
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And I'm Casey Golden.
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Today, we're kicking off a new three-part AI in retail series.
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We're super excited about this.
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We're partnering with the team at IHL Group on three episodes built
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around 2026 Retail Transformation Study, How Retail Leaders Outperform.
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Which, if you weren't aware, is the largest annual survey of retail
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technology leaders in the industry.
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And to take us through the data, we've got one of the most respected
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analysts in the space and good friend of the show, Greg Buzek, president, founder,
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and chief AI orchestrator of IHL Group.
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In today's episode, we're talking about shelf intelligence, cameras,
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ESLs, computer vision, smart shelves.
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The technologies that have been on every retailer's
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investment list for three years.
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And here's the wrinkle in the data, though.
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Every retailer says they want this stack, but almost none have built the tech
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stack underneath to actually run it.
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Only nine point one percent have current computer vision, and only twelve
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point two percent have current ESLs.
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So today, we're digging into why that gap exists and what it's costing
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the retailers who don't close it.
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But before we dive in, let me tell you about our Retail Razor Podcast
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Now, let's kick off part one of this three-part series
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and welcome Greg Buzek, president and founder of IHL Group, to the show!
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Welcome to the Retail Razor Data Blades Show, Greg.
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We're excited to kick off this three-part series with you, dig into some of
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the AI and retail insights that you and the IHL team have been gathering,
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analyzing for months or almost a year or two now, just about, you've
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been really digging into this data.
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It's kind of hard for me to believe it's taken us this long to get you on
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the show and to have this discussion.
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It's really surprising.
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know, after everyone-- it's like this is
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made for you, and the work you're
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Yeah, da-data blades for
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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So some of our Retail Razor Show fans may remember you from previous episodes
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where a completely different topic, we were talking about retail ROI and
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all the great work helping children around the world happening there.
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But today, we're really diving in on the data around AI in retail.
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It's great to have you here, Greg.
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Well, hey, it's great to be with you, Ricardo and Casey.
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Hey, just real quick, one Retail ROI thing that's gonna be exciting is
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literally this week we will send out our grant that surpasses six million dollars
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total for the organization through Super Saturday, and people come into that.
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So we're real excited about that.
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Congratulations.
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That is fantastic.
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Excellent!
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And what a great way to kick off this Ai in Retail series by talking
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about a topic that is getting more and more attention these days as store ops
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moves to a m- a mode where everything is booming data-led and data-centric.
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An area where retail tech investment is having a massive impact.
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And you've got a recently published study, your 2026 Retail Transformation study
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that we're gonna be diving into today.
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Yeah, the study, we looked at over four hundred brands
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through interviews there, and shelf intelligence was a big part of that.
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Not only do we have that as part of the core study how winners outperform,
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how retail leaders outperform, but we actually have separate shelf intelligence
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reports that breaks this down into great detail just for this as well.
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Fantastic.
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So let's dive into to this series.
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This is part one, and let's really talk about what's happening with
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shelf intelligence in stores.
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So, Greg what does it actually mean for a retail store in two thousand
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twenty-six to be implementing and deploying shelf intelligence?
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What does that tech stack actually look like?
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Well, shelf intelligence traditionally has just been the
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manager walking around and looking what's empty ty- sort of thing.
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However, you know, particularly in the last several years with COVID in
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particular, and then launching into everything from tariffs to wars and other
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things, we've had all these disruptions that have occurred in the supply chain.
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And really when you add to that the level of theft that has been happening
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at stores in certain regions the-- just knowing what you have on the shelf
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has become all the more critical, as well as the rise in alternate channels
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than just walking in the store and picking something off the shelf.
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When you're fulfilling from the store for a local delivery or a buy online
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and pickup in store or a ship from the warehouse there, or even ship,
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ship store to store, you need to know what you got, and you need to
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know when those trucks are coming in.
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So shelf intelligence has become all the more important in terms of profitability.
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And some of the tools now have... are, are necessary because, like you said the
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rise in shrink, you think you have it, but you don't really know that you have
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it unless you're able to verify that.
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And and so you can lose a lot of time and a lot of margin with labor
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walking around a store trying to find something that's supposed to be there.
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So, so what are some of the different tools you're seeing
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now that you're finding from recent studies that are actually-- that
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retailers are putting into stores that are helping them win this battle?
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The most consistent technologies are computer vision and RFID that
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we're seeing as well as electronic shelf labels that, that help with
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the pricing side of the equation.
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But then we're now seeing autonomous robots that are being
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used and all of that requires increased networking and bandwidth.
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So there's like a level at which you do all these things, where you've got
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to have the, the compute at the store level, in most cases, to sort through the
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data because the amount of data that's being processed, but then you got to
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have the network that can support that as well, both the-- in the local LAN
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as well as the WAN for things there.
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And everybody's got a different view.
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I mean, there are robots that go up and down the stores where they
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process all that video and all that data in the robot itself.
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There are others that do it on the edge, and so they're pumping that
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over the local network To process.
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And then there are others that are doing it in the cloud, which
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is the most network intense.
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So those are some of the different technologies that are
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being deployed, and, and each situation's a little bit different.
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One that's becoming more and more controversial right now
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is electronic shelf labels.
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You know, it's funny during COVID, when you couldn't get people to
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work at, at the stores the unions didn't push back at shelf labels.
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And after twenty years of holding electronic shelf labels back,
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they didn't push back on that.
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And so all these retailers have deployed them, and they have them
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now, and that allows them to do price, price changes as necessary., Most
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any retailer I know is doing price, price changes at-- in the evening.
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They're just not pumping them down in real time there.
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But but the unions are now pushing back on those technologies, saying,
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"Oh, they're just changing it during the day or customer to customer type
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of thing." And so that's the one that's got some controversy to it.
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Uh, RFID is another one of those technologies that for twenty-five
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years started to grow, started to grow.
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But once COVID happened and we went to this proliferation of jour-- of journeys
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for customers, knowing what you have and where it is specifically in the
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store became all the more important.
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And that is one of the most compelling from a financial return technologies
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that we've seen, particularly for all those other journeys that have
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a store fulfillment process to them.
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Because knowing where it is and how-- and specifically that size eight dress
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is sitting in a dressing room rather than on a shelf, and you're shipping
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it from your store, the margin's gone if you can't find it, it's not on the
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rack, and you're just walking around.
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You've just paid somebody for an hour's worth of work that should've
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taken three minutes, and the end result of that is you don't have it.
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Even further, knowing you actually have it in the store when the
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transaction is occurring is all the more important as well.
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I don't know how many times, I couldn't possibly count, that I've
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offered to go in the back stockroom of a shoe department to look for the last pair
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They won't let me.
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It's, uh, it's really funny.
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That is one of the areas where RFID and even visual camera handheld
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intelligence is great, you know.
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Because RFID can say, "Hey, it's right here But you can actually hold up a
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camera scan that's got an engine where you just hold up the camera and they
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say, "Oh, it's that box right over there," that specific box that it's
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looking for, for that, for the shoes.
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shoes, and I think they saw close to fifty percent uptick in sales
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wouldn't doubt it.
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They were a terrible offender on my end.
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ones to deploy RFID at this level.
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down to items under a dollar that they're tagging with RFID tags.
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store stock, you need to know where that stuff is at all times
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How much of what you're seeing here is based on computer vision versus
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RFID or are you starting to see a combination of the two in the best cases?
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that are, are running RFID today.
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with RFID in that environment.
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you have is all the more important and where that is in the store.
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and the consumer packaged goods.
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This is another one of these technologies that's a twenty, you know, twenty-five
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year, overnight sensation so to speak.
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the early 2000s, and and it really didn't go anywhere until we got to
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COVID and then all of a sudden, as we started shipping from store and local
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delivery and everything else, the use case became very, very apparent.
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nature of knowing I actually do have this, has become all the more critical.
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That's what people think of mostly.
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and, and optimizing the shelves.
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that they're either using their CCTV cameras for or the robots that are going
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through the store do that The adoption and the acceptance of the autonomous
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robots has, has been greatly enhanced in the last two years with, uh, what
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we've seen at Sam's and other locations where people are just getting used to.
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you don't necessarily need the robot every day, all day, but maybe three
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times a week you might wanna have the robot come through the store.
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it, and it just goes through things.
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in terms of space planning, but also the fact that you, particularly in
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mass merchants and supermarkets, you've got trade dollars that are coming
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down if you have an end cap that has on it what it's supposed to have.
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is usually the, the situation, the difference between being profitable or
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not profitable for a lot of retailers.
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and about where people shop.
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And it's like, really?
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packaged goods companies and the brands that are selling through that, which kind
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of leads us into this whole retail media networks component of things as well.
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So when you have that real-time data about inventory, now you can
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actually plug that into what you're doing with the media networks for
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what you're pushing at the stores.
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much you have of any particular menu item, if you just add a little animation,
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like a little smoke coming off the burger type thing, you can increase the sales
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of those items by twenty-five percent.
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store level, those can be incredible top-line movers in the profitability.
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Where are, where would you say we are so far?
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I mean, how many retailers are using computer vision?
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It's only, it's less than 10% overall that are using computer vision.
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And this is another one of those that gets to be a little controversial in
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the sense that is the computer vision looking at that person and storing
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their information or their image, or is it just looking for behaviors?
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How does that work?
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Those that focus on Europe, everything's anonymized there.
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In fact, our next one of our next webinars is gonna be on the value
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of facial recognition, and not only for, for loss preven- for
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theft, but also for slip and falls.
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see these people come into other stores that are, you know, going on slip and
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falls, and they're, creating fraud.
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that comes in, it's like, "Hey, wait, that person's in the database
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for theft for something else."
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It's like n-now we can be proactive to prevent that theft
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from happening, or we could alert authorities if it was big enough to
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to challenge them as they come in.
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And that, that becomes a, a privacy thing.
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74% reduction in your theft rates when you use facial recognition to find
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the two or three percent of the people that are, that are stealing versus
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the ninety-seven percent that are not.
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And that's a cultural thing.
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In China, it's just over there, it's accepted and it's everywhere.
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And here in the States it's accepted or not accepted.
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I mean, a few
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I don't care.
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I'm gonna be-- I'm honest, I don't care,
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few bad actors kind of ruin it for everyone.
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I really don't want to be surveilled while I'm shopping.
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Well, let's look at it this way.
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Another way is r-red light cameras, you
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with red light cameras are all of us that run red lights, you know.
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Or speed, you know.
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And so it's the same there.
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The only people that really have a problem with facial recognitions are the people
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that are doing something wrong, you
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I mean, I can s- I can see both sides for sure.
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But it is having that data, big impact, but definitely has to have a
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thoughtful strategy on compliance and purpose and how they're communicating
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that to customers, for sure.
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Yeah, and I think the, uh, the vendors need to do a better
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job and the retailers would need to do a better job of when it's comes
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to facial recognition, explaining how the technology actually works.
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It's just like when your, you know, Your phone is not using a picture of your face.
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It's using measurements that come together that, that produce that.
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So, it-- where they may have video that stores somebody coming in and
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they can pull up that video based on the characteristics of that person.
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It is not a, a like they do in the movies where, oh, I got all these
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faces going and then, you know.
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And that's, that's the one.
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That's, that's not how, that's not how this works.
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It's too-- that's too, uh, process-intensive.
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It works by taking these algorithms and, and your face is put in, in it,
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and those measurements are done, and they're in a a range, and that's what
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allows it to work, and so it's just-- it's data, not your actual face.
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What does the data show about the business cases?
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When retailers invest in shelf intelligence, what
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do they expect to get back?
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that ROI calculation look like?
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What's that business impact?
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twelve to fourteen months, depending on the segment and depending on the business
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model of the vendor that is deploying it.
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And I think that's been one of the challenges that have held back some
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of these technologies for a long time.
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That traditional hey, you pay for it all up front type of
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thing it's held people back.
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early stages, "Hey, I, I'll pay you as we see results of your solution,"
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is what the retailer wants to do.
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share based on the results is how it's paid for, they quickly move to a no.
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If it's working really good, they change that very, very quickly to,
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"Hey, I'll just pay the license fee, uh, now," and cap that because
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when the technology really, really works it's a win-win for everybody.
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And and we're seeing it.
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RFID is other than handheld devices for managers.
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We've never seen a technology with a stronger alignment with the people that
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are actually winning in their sales growth of greater than ten percent.
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So we, we define winners as those who increase their sales by ten percent a
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year or their profits ten percent a year.
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And RFID, the sales winners are over six and a half times more
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likely to be using RFID technology.
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Computer vision is another one of those.
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It's a little less.
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It's in the two to three timers range, but still extremely strong
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results when, when that's done.
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But like I said, you can't just put these technologies in by themselves.
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You have to have the network, you have to have the edge devices to process that.
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So for instance, like RFID, you don't care other than the tag is still there.
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You don't need to process that.
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Other than the tag is still there.
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You need to process what's moves, and if that's moved, where has it moved to?
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So how do you sort through a read that has, ten thousand items in it and you
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only care about the fifty that have moved?
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Where does that processing get done?
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And does it get done in the device?
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Does it get done in the a-access point?
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Every retailer looks at that differently, and that, that is a calculation that
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you have to take into consideration.
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As well, do you-- would you want just a handheld where somebody has to be
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consistent in what they're doing?
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They make the first time they do a really great job, and the second time
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they're just kind of doing one of these, just keep kind of giving it away.
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Or do you want to have perpetual RFID?
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We've done some case studies where it's, it's less than three months, the, the
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perpetual RFID return because you know exactly where the product is in the
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store, and thus you've saved all that labor in finding it, where it's not good
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enough that you knew where it was Sunday.
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Do you know where it is right now?
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And you can find, oh, somebody put it back on the wrong rack in, in that environment.
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So, every, every use case is different, every retailer is different, and
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you've got to work through those calculations, but the data for
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all of these is extremely strong.
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And even shelf labels now with the tariffs, the tariffs
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are on, the tariffs off.
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We can get the merchandise, can't get the merchandise.
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There's a blockage, there.
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There's a drought in the Panama Canal, so you know, there's the Strait of Hormuz.
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All-- You've got all of these different things that are at play and the
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ability to change those prices in real time to take advantage of that.
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And I want to say real time, once again, overnight, to take advantage
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of what's going on is a big, big deal.
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Are there-- Do you have a sense from the data, like what are people expecting?
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What are their top expectations?
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Is it-- Are they trying to see improvements in customer satisfaction?
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Are they looking for a tie to revenue?
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All the above?
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Just that the fact that they can have on the shelf what the customer wants
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to buy when they want to buy it.
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Because th- literally that is the single biggest criteria
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that retailers get measured on.
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00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.549
You go-- I mean, let, let's face it, it's too easy to buy online now.
425
00:24:07.239 --> 00:24:10.329
You go to stores because you expect that store to have what
426
00:24:10.329 --> 00:24:12.299
you wanna buy when you go there.
427
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:17.029
And we've done some research with Amazon Prime members who actually
428
00:24:17.029 --> 00:24:18.769
go to physical stores to shop.
429
00:24:19.499 --> 00:24:24.869
And so basically, I think it was at the time seventy-four percent of US
430
00:24:24.869 --> 00:24:29.209
households had Amazon Prime at the time, but that's over ninety percent
431
00:24:29.209 --> 00:24:31.659
of those with incomes over $100,000.
432
00:24:32.289 --> 00:24:36.349
And those people go to stores because they expect you to have it, and if
433
00:24:36.349 --> 00:24:41.509
you don't, they just whip out the phone and buy it with express delivery
434
00:24:41.899 --> 00:24:45.299
there, and they often don't look at that retailer again for that item.
435
00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.259
And that becomes a death spiral if you don't, if you don't have it.
436
00:24:49.259 --> 00:24:51.949
So that customer satisfaction piece is critical.
437
00:24:52.429 --> 00:24:53.459
So that's number one.
438
00:24:53.939 --> 00:24:59.119
But it's also lowering the labor cost, lowering the actual cost of operations.
439
00:24:59.429 --> 00:25:02.199
How much are you wasting in safety stock because you don't
440
00:25:02.199 --> 00:25:03.289
know what's on the shelves?
441
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.469
I mean, my joke has always been for people, if it says limited supply on
442
00:25:07.469 --> 00:25:12.769
the website, don't even bother going to the store because they don't know.
443
00:25:12.769 --> 00:25:14.969
They d- they, they just literally do not know
444
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:15.369
yeah.
445
00:25:15.489 --> 00:25:15.779
that's what it is.
446
00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:17.339
code word for we have no idea.
447
00:25:17.859 --> 00:25:19.309
Yeah, and the chance is there.
448
00:25:19.539 --> 00:25:20.859
But even then I'll give you.
449
00:25:20.859 --> 00:25:23.949
I was at a home improvement retailer, and I had to get... We had our roof
450
00:25:24.159 --> 00:25:29.469
repaired, and we've got dogs a-and, they try to get all the nails up, but I
451
00:25:29.469 --> 00:25:33.309
wanted to buy one of those, the magnetic sweepers to get all the nails up.
452
00:25:33.889 --> 00:25:35.329
It said they had fifteen in stock.
453
00:25:35.469 --> 00:25:37.089
I go there, there's none on the shelf.
454
00:25:37.749 --> 00:25:42.059
And the guy goes, "There's-- they're here somewhere. They're here somewhere.
455
00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:43.459
They're up on a shelf somewhere."
456
00:25:43.899 --> 00:25:44.169
Mm.
457
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.859
And he didn't have the ability to like, like ScanIt has got a, an image
458
00:25:48.859 --> 00:25:52.109
the image thing that you could just, you just hold it up and it just lights up
459
00:25:52.109 --> 00:25:54.539
and says it's that one right over there.
460
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:55.839
Didn't have the ability to do it.
461
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.849
So they're in stock, said fifteen, I left without it
462
00:25:59.194 --> 00:26:01.834
I would have stood there and be like, "I'll wait."
463
00:26:02.789 --> 00:26:05.449
Yeah, I went to the, I went to the other competitor.
464
00:26:05.769 --> 00:26:06.769
I went to the other competitor
465
00:26:06.974 --> 00:26:08.864
It just sounds like a training moment.
466
00:26:09.689 --> 00:26:09.989
Yeah.
467
00:26:11.199 --> 00:26:12.899
Or I've been... Laptops.
468
00:26:13.229 --> 00:26:16.989
I mean, my goodness, where I'm spending two grand, and it says it's in stock
469
00:26:16.989 --> 00:26:18.529
and the associate can't find it.
470
00:26:18.829 --> 00:26:22.839
And you spent fifteen, twenty minutes to do that, and you just, you whip out
471
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.999
the phone and says, "I, I'm not dealing with this. I'm just gonna order it
472
00:26:26.999 --> 00:26:31.029
where I know I can get it delivered." So it's an existential, existential threat
473
00:26:31.499 --> 00:26:34.379
to not have accurate inventory there.
474
00:26:34.429 --> 00:26:36.979
But just the cost of each one of these interactions.
475
00:26:36.979 --> 00:26:39.859
That guy spent fifteen minutes going around for something
476
00:26:39.859 --> 00:26:41.269
that was like a $20 item
477
00:26:41.454 --> 00:26:41.874
Right.
478
00:26:42.254 --> 00:26:44.514
That around the store, and he never did find it.
479
00:26:45.034 --> 00:26:49.964
And so that's those are the challenges that this really starts to address.
480
00:26:50.214 --> 00:26:54.354
But at the end of the day, it's lowering costs and it's, it's better information.
481
00:26:54.404 --> 00:26:59.204
And then more and more importantly particularly in the branded merchandise,
482
00:26:59.204 --> 00:27:02.644
is that shelf intelligence to be able to sell that data back to the brands.
483
00:27:03.114 --> 00:27:07.504
Because that's one of the things that that, you know, your big brands that are
484
00:27:07.504 --> 00:27:10.674
selling stuff through retailers, they generally do not have that intelligence
485
00:27:10.744 --> 00:27:13.254
at the shelf level, at the store level.
486
00:27:13.684 --> 00:27:17.094
And understanding, "Hey, our sales are down." Well, are your sales down because
487
00:27:17.094 --> 00:27:18.964
the-- it's not being presented properly?
488
00:27:18.964 --> 00:27:21.424
Is the sales down because you don't have it?
489
00:27:21.914 --> 00:27:23.274
What, what are the sales down?
490
00:27:23.864 --> 00:27:27.654
And this gives them that ability to se-sell that data back to those brands.
491
00:27:29.355 --> 00:27:34.970
I'm becoming a, a bigger and bigger fan and frustrated,
492
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:37.704
for buy online and pick up in store
493
00:27:38.454 --> 00:27:39.034
Mm-hmm.
494
00:27:39.054 --> 00:27:44.143
pick out online and have a basket ready for me when I
495
00:27:44.143 --> 00:27:47.223
come in- and come into the store and schedule that because I'm getting
496
00:27:47.413 --> 00:27:48.943
very frustrated shopping online.
497
00:27:49.573 --> 00:27:55.403
It, it's great to be able to make one trip a week into the city to go and make a
498
00:27:55.403 --> 00:28:01.123
return of like all this random stuff that I was like so did not like from Amazon.
499
00:28:01.173 --> 00:28:05.003
But I'm being disappointed and disappointed more by low-quality
500
00:28:05.003 --> 00:28:09.423
products that maybe were a little bit overpriced, right?
501
00:28:09.493 --> 00:28:13.783
Or I thought it was a really good deal and it was like too good to be true a deal.
502
00:28:14.313 --> 00:28:19.713
And now I'm finding that like I just want to go ahead and set up that day
503
00:28:19.713 --> 00:28:26.743
when I'm going into the city and just hit four stores to run those errands,
504
00:28:27.163 --> 00:28:29.243
but I want my basket waiting for me.
505
00:28:29.543 --> 00:28:30.743
These are the things I want.
506
00:28:31.173 --> 00:28:32.573
I don't care where you get them.
507
00:28:32.753 --> 00:28:37.073
Just get them there by like Thursday, and I'll be in there like day
508
00:28:37.073 --> 00:28:39.913
after tomorrow, and then I'll go through my basket and decide like
509
00:28:39.943 --> 00:28:41.373
what I want and what I don't want.
510
00:28:42.273 --> 00:28:46.783
And I feel like that would just be such a service to the in-store associates
511
00:28:47.473 --> 00:28:52.303
because otherwise I'm just like asking them to hang out with me for 20 minutes
512
00:28:52.303 --> 00:28:56.883
to go look and find things I have like the web browser up because I
513
00:28:56.883 --> 00:28:57.953
don't know what this stuff is called.
514
00:28:57.953 --> 00:29:01.123
I'm like I thought this was cute, and this was cute, and this was cute." And
515
00:29:01.123 --> 00:29:02.093
they're like, "Oh, I don't have this.
516
00:29:02.133 --> 00:29:05.919
Oh, I don't have this." I'm like, why can't we just have that visibility, right?
517
00:29:06.199 --> 00:29:10.439
And I guess it all kind of come back, comes back down into this.
518
00:29:11.199 --> 00:29:12.039
Yeah.
519
00:29:12.524 --> 00:29:17.634
This problem so that we can solve a completely different problem.
520
00:29:18.569 --> 00:29:23.119
The issue that you're facing or explaining there is why do
521
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.889
airlines over, oversell their seats?
522
00:29:26.484 --> 00:29:27.544
I have no clue.
523
00:29:27.844 --> 00:29:28.484
Why?
524
00:29:28.589 --> 00:29:31.219
they do it because people don't show up or they, the people
525
00:29:31.234 --> 00:29:32.974
Who doesn't show up for a flight?
526
00:29:32.974 --> 00:29:33.924
I never have i.
527
00:29:34.959 --> 00:29:35.469
the time.
528
00:29:35.999 --> 00:29:36.709
All the time.
529
00:29:37.179 --> 00:29:39.989
And it's more that somebody didn't make the connection, so they're not
530
00:29:39.989 --> 00:29:42.529
on the flight, so they o-oversell it.
531
00:29:42.529 --> 00:29:43.839
And that, that is the issue.
532
00:29:44.159 --> 00:29:48.060
The problem with to do what you do... Now, so the typical female shopper
533
00:29:48.949 --> 00:29:54.929
right now buying clothes online will buy three and return two because
534
00:29:54.929 --> 00:29:59.539
the sign the sizing issues and aspirational sizes and one, right?
535
00:29:59.539 --> 00:30:01.339
And you don't, you don't know what it is.
536
00:30:01.830 --> 00:30:06.369
And, and now some of the, the retailers are pushing back on that.
537
00:30:06.369 --> 00:30:11.919
If you wanted to do that at the store level, now they've actually held inventory
538
00:30:11.919 --> 00:30:15.149
that they could sell for you to show up.
539
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:19.049
And if you don't show up, they've just taken inventory
540
00:30:19.049 --> 00:30:21.760
out of sales process for that.
541
00:30:21.809 --> 00:30:25.119
So it gets very, very difficult, particularly for clothing, when you only
542
00:30:25.159 --> 00:30:31.199
have so many of a particular size or particular color to be able to do that.
543
00:30:31.249 --> 00:30:36.449
There are these true fit technologies now that are in play that have greatly
544
00:30:36.449 --> 00:30:38.919
reduced returns as a result of that.
545
00:30:38.959 --> 00:30:41.919
But we're still sitting at about ninety percent returns for
546
00:30:41.919 --> 00:30:43.739
e-commerce on women's dresses.
547
00:30:43.769 --> 00:30:45.139
It's incredible
548
00:30:45.194 --> 00:30:45.314
We
549
00:30:45.379 --> 00:30:45.939
how inefficient
550
00:30:46.044 --> 00:30:50.434
we have a vanity sizing issue in the United States, and, I,
551
00:30:50.784 --> 00:30:57.024
I have no business being a size extra small at Free People when I have other
552
00:30:57.074 --> 00:31:03.164
things from two years ago, same shirt, that's a medium, and now I'm extra small.
553
00:31:03.294 --> 00:31:05.294
It's not my fault, and I shouldn't be punished.
554
00:31:05.774 --> 00:31:06.414
That's their fault.
555
00:31:07.424 --> 00:31:07.794
Yeah.
556
00:31:08.264 --> 00:31:10.744
That, that's the whole, that's the whole thing
557
00:31:10.744 --> 00:31:12.684
in, in fashion in particular.
558
00:31:13.254 --> 00:31:15.834
We have done that to the industry.
559
00:31:15.864 --> 00:31:18.284
It's just the same way we didn't-- you know, you could look at it in
560
00:31:18.284 --> 00:31:20.194
terms of offshoring our manufacturing.
561
00:31:21.014 --> 00:31:22.064
We've done this ourselves.
562
00:31:22.064 --> 00:31:25.124
We created this problem that we're dealing with today.
563
00:31:25.654 --> 00:31:30.124
And with the rise of e-commerce, this returns issue, we caused the
564
00:31:30.124 --> 00:31:35.604
problem by aspirational sizing, that there's no consistency whatsoever.
565
00:31:36.024 --> 00:31:39.394
And that's what-- that's why I think there's some wisdom in the, the guys
566
00:31:39.454 --> 00:31:42.874
like Steve Jobs that just, would always wear the black turtleneck and blue jeans.
567
00:31:42.874 --> 00:31:43.574
That's all they had.
568
00:31:44.364 --> 00:31:45.244
That's all they got because
569
00:31:45.264 --> 00:31:46.204
Men's sizing
570
00:31:46.384 --> 00:31:46.674
Yeah.
571
00:31:47.154 --> 00:31:47.754
Solves so many
572
00:31:47.834 --> 00:31:48.744
they never had to worry.
573
00:31:48.744 --> 00:31:49.384
They just get it.
574
00:31:49.434 --> 00:31:51.154
This is what I'm wearing every single day.
575
00:31:51.154 --> 00:31:53.024
I'm not using any brainpower on that
576
00:31:53.159 --> 00:31:55.659
So you guys didn't have to worry that much in the first place.
577
00:31:55.659 --> 00:32:00.289
A 34 is a 34, a 32 is a 32, a 52 is a 52, or a 42 is a 42.
578
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.049
You guys' sizing has been so consistent over 100 years.
579
00:32:06.764 --> 00:32:06.854
Yeah.
580
00:32:07.409 --> 00:32:12.029
I know an 88-year-old whose suits are still the exact same size.
581
00:32:13.134 --> 00:32:13.544
Yeah.
582
00:32:13.684 --> 00:32:13.804
Yeah.
583
00:32:14.184 --> 00:32:14.554
Exactly.
584
00:32:15.354 --> 00:32:16.074
Exactly.
585
00:32:16.394 --> 00:32:18.604
But I mean, that's the big issue with fashion.
586
00:32:18.634 --> 00:32:22.684
The the issue with other items could... It's just a, a plain velocity thing.
587
00:32:23.044 --> 00:32:27.394
The stat that blew my mind and I was at a grocery event when I heard this.
588
00:32:27.394 --> 00:32:31.554
It says eighty percent of the SKUs in a grocery store sell less than one a week.
589
00:32:35.329 --> 00:32:36.089
That's
590
00:32:36.204 --> 00:32:38.434
you figure... Yeah.
591
00:32:38.564 --> 00:32:40.924
And it was mind-blowing to learn that.
592
00:32:41.574 --> 00:32:46.074
And so when you go to shelf intelligence you literally go on, "Okay, which of these
593
00:32:46.074 --> 00:32:50.854
things do we need to keep on the shelves? Which of these things you know, you
594
00:32:50.854 --> 00:32:54.434
need to have this on the shelf. We don't sell it very often, but when we do, that
595
00:32:54.484 --> 00:32:58.504
person's spending three hundred dollars because they're, they're buying this."
596
00:32:58.584 --> 00:33:00.724
You've got to work through all of that data.
597
00:33:01.294 --> 00:33:04.984
But, 'cause at the same time, you've got this incredible increase with
598
00:33:05.064 --> 00:33:08.074
buy on store, pick up in store, click and collect for groceries.
599
00:33:08.604 --> 00:33:09.534
You need space for that.
600
00:33:09.999 --> 00:33:10.419
Yeah.
601
00:33:10.494 --> 00:33:14.079
You can create that space by taking some items off the shelves.
602
00:33:14.219 --> 00:33:17.499
It, you know, for people that travel internationally, when you see a
603
00:33:17.499 --> 00:33:21.959
US supermarket, you're just like dumbfounded by the number of brands
604
00:33:22.379 --> 00:33:26.199
and the number of choices per category that are literally on the shelves.
605
00:33:26.529 --> 00:33:28.259
It's there's so much there.
606
00:33:28.259 --> 00:33:32.339
So you, you've got this remodeling and these store format changes that
607
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:35.209
are occurring rapidly, and these technologies we're talking about shelf,
608
00:33:35.479 --> 00:33:40.569
Shelf intelligence is enabling some of those changes to occur because that
609
00:33:40.569 --> 00:33:45.019
intelligence is there on, on which items you really need to have in stock,
610
00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:49.149
which items can you still s- still have, but they're not on display.
611
00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:53.229
They're in back and they're in a, in a format that if somebody asks for it, you
612
00:33:53.229 --> 00:33:57.439
could pull it from the back or it could be part of an e-commerce order there.
613
00:33:57.589 --> 00:34:01.959
But I think gone are the days where I think it used to be the joke when I was at
614
00:34:01.959 --> 00:34:08.569
NCR that, that Meijer Stores had to have in stock what Mrs. Wexner had on her, Les
615
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.169
Wexner's mom, had on her shopping list.
616
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:16.399
Whatever she bought, they could never run out of, uh, every item
617
00:34:16.399 --> 00:34:17.419
that was on that shopping list.
618
00:34:17.989 --> 00:34:20.089
take-- I mean, the neighborhood should just kind of
619
00:34:20.089 --> 00:34:22.059
take all of our grocery lists, right?
620
00:34:22.809 --> 00:34:26.899
Like, when I want to make cookies, I want you to have flour, but I do not keep flour
621
00:34:26.899 --> 00:34:29.249
in my house because I barely ever use it.
622
00:34:29.389 --> 00:34:31.799
I just buy it, make the cookies, and throw the rest away.
623
00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:32.369
Sorry.
624
00:34:34.329 --> 00:34:36.559
But that's, you know, a big part of-- to, for me that I find
625
00:34:36.789 --> 00:34:40.269
al-always an interesting thing that I would think shelf intelligence can
626
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.479
create an edge here is that with grocery, because of what you just said, right?
627
00:34:43.479 --> 00:34:46.909
If eighty percent of the items don't sell more than one a week, I mean, the first
628
00:34:46.909 --> 00:34:51.199
thought that occurs to me is there's a lot of specialty items in most supermarkets,
629
00:34:51.829 --> 00:34:53.249
which are things on the shelf that...
630
00:34:53.419 --> 00:34:56.759
A-and I buy a lot of these specialty things, but when I do, they're
631
00:34:56.759 --> 00:34:59.869
usually the kind of thing that whether it's a liquid in a jar or something
632
00:34:59.869 --> 00:35:03.469
that comes in a, like a tub or a container, it lasts a long time.
633
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:08.239
It's-- Most of these are things that I-- you'd never need to buy on a weekly basis.
634
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:09.459
You maybe are buying one a month,
635
00:35:10.449 --> 00:35:10.709
Yeah.
636
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:11.859
or maybe even less frequently.
637
00:35:11.859 --> 00:35:15.309
So, but you're right that when I do need it, I expect that there's gonna
638
00:35:15.309 --> 00:35:17.039
be one there on the shelf, Right.
639
00:35:17.359 --> 00:35:17.639
But
640
00:35:17.789 --> 00:35:19.069
Like vanilla extract.
641
00:35:19.759 --> 00:35:23.509
Vanilla extract, you know, you, you expect them to have it.
642
00:35:24.019 --> 00:35:25.539
They may not have to have ten of
643
00:35:25.929 --> 00:35:26.709
should be in stock.
644
00:35:27.929 --> 00:35:28.069
Yeah.
645
00:35:28.759 --> 00:35:29.109
Yeah.
646
00:35:29.529 --> 00:35:29.749
Well,
647
00:35:30.439 --> 00:35:33.569
They may not need ten different varieties of the vanilla extract,
648
00:35:33.909 --> 00:35:34.729
Right.
649
00:35:34.869 --> 00:35:39.039
On the front-facing piece of that, if it frees up, "Hey, I've got
650
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.569
a shelf now where I can put the whole orders in the back there," or I can do
651
00:35:43.569 --> 00:35:48.829
these micro-fulfillment centers, which are robotic fulfillment centers in the back
652
00:35:48.939 --> 00:35:51.019
that can manage can manage those orders.
653
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.819
And we're seeing that more and more often.
654
00:35:52.839 --> 00:35:53.359
Yeah, I'm
655
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:53.749
really
656
00:35:53.809 --> 00:35:57.179
with the rise of drone delivery too, you gotta
657
00:35:57.179 --> 00:35:58.939
have a place to stage those things
658
00:35:59.039 --> 00:35:59.339
And stuff.
659
00:35:59.769 --> 00:36:04.359
I mean, even Sam's came out with a announcement this week saying they
660
00:36:04.359 --> 00:36:06.149
have delivery in less than an hour.
661
00:36:07.339 --> 00:36:07.649
Right.
662
00:36:08.009 --> 00:36:09.189
For Sam-- I mean, what are you bringing?
663
00:36:09.189 --> 00:36:11.409
You br-bring a whole pickup truck delivered to your
664
00:36:11.409 --> 00:36:12.649
house in less than an hour
665
00:36:13.709 --> 00:36:14.749
Yeah, that's impressive.
666
00:36:15.539 --> 00:36:17.159
But there are a lot of these things where I always
667
00:36:17.409 --> 00:36:17.669
animal.
668
00:36:18.329 --> 00:36:21.539
Especially with the MFC ID, I mean, all these
669
00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:25.749
items that I buy that infrequently at a grocery store, I know ahead
670
00:36:25.749 --> 00:36:27.039
of time when I'm gonna get them.
671
00:36:27.629 --> 00:36:30.609
So why isn't there an ability with it, whoever my favorite grocery
672
00:36:30.609 --> 00:36:33.899
store is, that I should be able to say, I'm going to go shopping, but
673
00:36:33.899 --> 00:36:36.829
here's my list of 10 things that I know are the ones that are oddballs."
674
00:36:37.939 --> 00:36:40.479
Just have them ready in a pickup area in the store when I get
675
00:36:40.479 --> 00:36:41.474
there if I send it ahead, right?
676
00:36:41.604 --> 00:36:42.284
Just those 10.
677
00:36:42.504 --> 00:36:44.914
I can-- I'll still go pick all the produce and all everything
678
00:36:44.914 --> 00:36:45.984
else, don't worry about that.
679
00:36:46.244 --> 00:36:49.934
But all these shelf items that I buy once in a blue moon, I
680
00:36:49.934 --> 00:36:50.914
need to know that it's there.
681
00:36:51.424 --> 00:36:55.014
So why can't I just send those items ahead and they're staged and ready for me?
682
00:36:55.014 --> 00:36:56.624
Don't even have to be out on a shelf, right?
683
00:36:56.624 --> 00:37:00.004
There can be a robot picking them in a back room somewhere that's
684
00:37:00.004 --> 00:37:03.214
just pre-bagged and ready for me to pick up to take to a checkout, along
685
00:37:03.294 --> 00:37:07.544
Or just making-- Or just pulling like your top like, 500 customers
686
00:37:07.544 --> 00:37:14.854
that shop on the most frequently and putting that as the part of the list.
687
00:37:15.134 --> 00:37:17.964
That these items must stay in stock because our customers
688
00:37:17.964 --> 00:37:18.864
come in getting them.
689
00:37:19.344 --> 00:37:19.644
I--
690
00:37:19.704 --> 00:37:20.464
the most common.
691
00:37:20.724 --> 00:37:22.494
Because they're, kind of the most common.
692
00:37:22.864 --> 00:37:28.618
I would Having a product sell less than, 80% sell less than once a week, like I--
693
00:37:28.618 --> 00:37:31.828
to me, that means like our assortment's too big, our assortment is off.
694
00:37:31.828 --> 00:37:33.818
We are so missing the mark.
695
00:37:35.228 --> 00:37:38.538
That's what it would read to me, not coming from grocery, that the
696
00:37:38.538 --> 00:37:40.318
whole thing needs to be re-assorted.
697
00:37:40.318 --> 00:37:46.888
But understanding those, that data and understanding the what that data says,
698
00:37:46.888 --> 00:37:50.208
I mean, I have to say, like I would have never, I would have never guessed that.
699
00:37:50.938 --> 00:37:51.218
Um,
700
00:37:51.353 --> 00:37:51.923
I think one
701
00:37:52.268 --> 00:37:53.578
my gosh, you're all fired.
702
00:37:54.963 --> 00:37:55.803
Yeah, I'm st- I
703
00:37:55.908 --> 00:37:56.388
failing.
704
00:37:56.923 --> 00:38:00.283
Another technology that plays in here is computerated ordering.
705
00:38:00.923 --> 00:38:05.663
And when you're able to do that and able to enforce that across things
706
00:38:05.663 --> 00:38:10.723
like vendor-managed inventory, that is a big issue when it comes to grocery.
707
00:38:10.723 --> 00:38:14.893
So for instance, your Coke and Pepsi, they're the ones that are handling the
708
00:38:14.893 --> 00:38:17.403
inventory when it comes to those products.
709
00:38:17.403 --> 00:38:21.053
Mondelez handling their stuff, you know, ice cream vendors
710
00:38:21.553 --> 00:38:22.733
that are handling their stuff.
711
00:38:22.853 --> 00:38:26.243
It's traditionally been keep the shelves full regardless of whether or
712
00:38:26.243 --> 00:38:28.243
not you have what's in stock, in stock.
713
00:38:28.303 --> 00:38:33.433
You just move, hey, if it's ice cream and we're out of vanilla, and
714
00:38:33.433 --> 00:38:37.633
I'm supposed to have five lanes of vanilla and instead I fill it in with
715
00:38:37.633 --> 00:38:40.603
strawberry and make it look full.
716
00:38:41.258 --> 00:38:44.618
But I don't have enough vanilla, all of a sudden I start losing sales.
717
00:38:44.658 --> 00:38:47.988
And because the vendor's managing that and the retailer doesn't know,
718
00:38:47.988 --> 00:38:51.688
they're losing sales as a result of it.
719
00:38:51.688 --> 00:38:54.928
And by forcing the computer-aided inventory and the space planning
720
00:38:54.998 --> 00:38:59.228
compliance now to those vendor-managed inventories, they're seeing a twenty
721
00:38:59.228 --> 00:39:04.358
percent increase in profitability in those categories because the right
722
00:39:04.448 --> 00:39:08.828
product is in the right shelf, or if they don't have it, they don't have it,
723
00:39:08.828 --> 00:39:10.348
so they're ordering the right amount.
724
00:39:10.848 --> 00:39:12.548
All of that stuff starts to flow.
725
00:39:12.598 --> 00:39:15.618
And, this is the crazy part, Cas- Casey, if you're coming from the fashion
726
00:39:15.618 --> 00:39:22.928
side, in the grocery side the goal is to sell through their inventory four
727
00:39:22.928 --> 00:39:26.268
times before they gotta pay for it.
728
00:39:26.268 --> 00:39:26.578
Okay?
729
00:39:26.578 --> 00:39:31.538
So they wanna sell four weeks of inventory of that item before they paid for
730
00:39:31.538 --> 00:39:36.458
the first week, before the first week inventory that they've got to pay for it.
731
00:39:36.458 --> 00:39:37.988
That's how tight the margins are.
732
00:39:38.588 --> 00:39:42.688
And when you have a vendor-managed inventory situation that becomes
733
00:39:42.758 --> 00:39:48.358
a big problem if they're not being held to the compliance of things.
734
00:39:48.568 --> 00:39:50.758
It's all about inventory control, isn't it?
735
00:39:51.388 --> 00:39:51.658
Yeah.
736
00:39:52.048 --> 00:39:52.148
Yeah.
737
00:39:52.788 --> 00:39:56.498
The customer's entire perception is whether or not you have things in stock.
738
00:39:57.123 --> 00:39:57.733
yeah.
739
00:39:57.908 --> 00:40:00.968
And they may not like the ambiance as much, but they always have it.
740
00:40:00.998 --> 00:40:03.878
They may like another store because the people are nicer,
741
00:40:03.878 --> 00:40:06.498
but this one always has what I
742
00:40:06.663 --> 00:40:06.743
Yeah.
743
00:40:06.743 --> 00:40:07.183
Mm-hmm.
744
00:40:07.393 --> 00:40:07.603
Yeah.
745
00:40:07.913 --> 00:40:09.063
It's the most important factor.
746
00:40:09.618 --> 00:40:15.211
the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that's number one when it comes to
747
00:40:15.571 --> 00:40:16.181
It's so funny.
748
00:40:16.181 --> 00:40:20.521
We have this butter that I don't know, everybody I know, like we all eat
749
00:40:20.561 --> 00:40:25.891
the same butter, and i- it's only at Whole Food... It's at Whole Foods.
750
00:40:26.711 --> 00:40:31.831
It's-- I, I feel like somebody just never marked it up, or it's like
751
00:40:31.831 --> 00:40:34.401
been priced wrong for 10 years.
752
00:40:35.131 --> 00:40:40.481
But it's limit four per customer, and so we all know the delivery
753
00:40:40.481 --> 00:40:45.341
schedule at which Whole Foods on when it's restocked, so we can all
754
00:40:45.341 --> 00:40:49.161
go get our four cubes of like butter.
755
00:40:49.696 --> 00:40:50.246
It's
756
00:40:50.291 --> 00:40:52.271
Are you calling each other going, "Hey, are you going
757
00:40:52.591 --> 00:40:53.731
calling each other.
758
00:40:53.821 --> 00:40:55.961
get your... Hey, hey, can you pick me up a couple extra?"
759
00:40:57.151 --> 00:41:00.291
I mean, one of my friends, every time she comes over, she brings me
760
00:41:00.291 --> 00:41:05.071
four bricks of butter because she lives right next to O- one of the Whole Foods.
761
00:41:05.231 --> 00:41:05.811
Wow.
762
00:41:06.036 --> 00:41:11.116
Like super random, but like customers, like sometimes
763
00:41:11.116 --> 00:41:12.526
like we know where inventory is.
764
00:41:12.526 --> 00:41:13.646
We know the day that it gets filled.
765
00:41:13.646 --> 00:41:14.706
I'm only allowed to have four.
766
00:41:14.706 --> 00:41:19.826
Like we've got a little call tree going "Oh, there's some butter over here.
767
00:41:19.826 --> 00:41:22.446
Do you want me to pick you up like four bricks or two?
768
00:41:22.476 --> 00:41:26.763
I'll share." "I don't need butter right now, but it's here, so
769
00:41:26.763 --> 00:41:28.613
does anybody else need butter?"
770
00:41:30.108 --> 00:41:32.928
I'm gonna have to get with you offline on this butter here, you know,
771
00:41:33.228 --> 00:41:33.828
missing out.
772
00:41:34.158 --> 00:41:35.718
I'm not in this this club.
773
00:41:35.818 --> 00:41:37.278
Yep you're not in the inner butter circle.
774
00:41:41.313 --> 00:41:43.123
like, come on, just like text message us.
775
00:41:43.178 --> 00:41:44.088
I need more butter.
776
00:41:46.678 --> 00:41:49.758
So, so Greg with this, everything we've talked about here on
777
00:41:49.758 --> 00:41:53.298
shelf intelligence, what's the single most important decision you would say
778
00:41:53.298 --> 00:41:58.148
to a retail CIO that they need to make this year to go from, let's say pilot
779
00:41:58.148 --> 00:41:59.738
to scale with shelf intelligence?
780
00:42:00.051 --> 00:42:02.461
Yeah, I think you've got to determine, your format.
781
00:42:02.461 --> 00:42:06.681
It's-- I, I can't say one technology in and of itself is your solution.
782
00:42:06.791 --> 00:42:11.071
The, the one that crosses everything is your network there,
783
00:42:11.131 --> 00:42:12.911
and then edge would be next.
784
00:42:13.131 --> 00:42:16.681
And then you can decide whether it's cameras, whether it's RFID,
785
00:42:16.681 --> 00:42:19.641
whether it's shelf labels for those.
786
00:42:19.641 --> 00:42:23.981
The order in which I would do them for most is likely shelf labels first and
787
00:42:23.981 --> 00:42:26.021
then RFID second, computer vision third.
788
00:42:27.091 --> 00:42:30.871
And that's just simply because of the returns that you get from that.
789
00:42:30.991 --> 00:42:34.361
The, Whereas the shelf labels, the fact that you, you now know
790
00:42:34.361 --> 00:42:37.471
what your upcoming costs are gonna be, it's sort of like gas prices.
791
00:42:37.471 --> 00:42:41.981
You can change those prices very quickly because your input costs are there
792
00:42:41.981 --> 00:42:44.141
because you got tariffs or, or whatever.
793
00:42:44.581 --> 00:42:47.041
That's too compelling to not change.
794
00:42:47.091 --> 00:42:50.241
That's a drop right to the bottom line in terms of that pricing.
795
00:42:50.811 --> 00:42:52.460
And then I would say RFID.
796
00:42:52.510 --> 00:42:57.372
Because the, uh, RFID is more consistent across more categories that
797
00:42:57.372 --> 00:42:59.132
you have than the computer vision.
798
00:42:59.132 --> 00:43:04.732
So where RFID can see things that are stacked on top of each other
799
00:43:05.262 --> 00:43:08.912
there, it can be used as a checkout technology, it can be used to find
800
00:43:08.972 --> 00:43:10.472
where in a store something is.
801
00:43:10.882 --> 00:43:15.132
Computer vision can do great when it's looking at theft or when it's
802
00:43:15.132 --> 00:43:19.892
looking at the front of, of shelves to see what's in stock or not.
803
00:43:20.182 --> 00:43:23.802
It doesn't do well for the things that are behind the things that
804
00:43:23.802 --> 00:43:25.422
are f-front-facing on the shelf.
805
00:43:25.752 --> 00:43:29.722
So you, you don't get as accurate of an inventory when you do it that way.
806
00:43:30.062 --> 00:43:34.272
The real solution is really a combination of the two for most for most places.
807
00:43:34.332 --> 00:43:38.527
And some are using weight-weighted shelves and others to do things, but...
808
00:43:38.637 --> 00:43:42.167
But that would be the order of the-- it would be the network, the
809
00:43:42.167 --> 00:43:46.827
processing, and then I would say for most it's gonna be the shelf labels,
810
00:43:46.827 --> 00:43:50.067
RFID, and then computer vision last.
811
00:43:50.177 --> 00:43:54.347
Unless you're in a really high-theft environment where the facial recognition
812
00:43:54.347 --> 00:43:56.067
type of piece is so critical.
813
00:43:56.737 --> 00:44:00.987
I mean, we know, we know in the, the height of the theft that was
814
00:44:00.987 --> 00:44:04.997
happening in San Francisco, I know of a drugstore that was losing ten percent
815
00:44:05.077 --> 00:44:09.077
of same-store sales after spending forty times their national average on
816
00:44:09.147 --> 00:44:11.867
physical guards because of the loss.
817
00:44:11.867 --> 00:44:17.637
In that case, in that case theft is an existential threat to overall survival
818
00:44:17.937 --> 00:44:19.227
for the company, and they pulled out.
819
00:44:19.457 --> 00:44:20.487
They just pulled out of the region.
820
00:44:20.517 --> 00:44:22.087
They said, "Can't afford to have stores here."
821
00:44:22.687 --> 00:44:26.667
And so that would be an extenuating circumstance where they would, they
822
00:44:26.667 --> 00:44:29.437
would put that over another technology.
823
00:44:29.467 --> 00:44:33.417
But generally, if you're talking about a grocery store type of environment, you're
824
00:44:33.447 --> 00:44:38.337
usually looking at shelf labels first because that has a direct labor component
825
00:44:38.617 --> 00:44:41.947
savings or a labor reutilization area.
826
00:44:42.177 --> 00:44:47.147
Not-- Your labor instead of doing changing prices, which you think about it, how much
827
00:44:47.147 --> 00:44:51.757
value is there in changing the price, the price labels somebody physically doing
828
00:44:51.757 --> 00:44:57.437
that compared to doing a co-- a, a profit center like they're making more prepared
829
00:44:57.857 --> 00:45:00.487
foods and using that labor in that way.
830
00:45:00.487 --> 00:45:04.177
Or just making sure the stuff is on the shelf in the first place.
831
00:45:04.547 --> 00:45:07.817
That is a far more valuable use of human labor than it is
832
00:45:07.817 --> 00:45:10.097
changing the price tags per se.
833
00:45:10.427 --> 00:45:15.187
It also automatically, because the price is coming from the same database that's
834
00:45:15.187 --> 00:45:19.197
ringing up at the front, the price that's on the shelf matches the price
835
00:45:19.197 --> 00:45:20.897
that's gonna ring up on the scanner.
836
00:45:21.177 --> 00:45:23.837
Whereas when you're physically putting shelf tags on there,
837
00:45:23.867 --> 00:45:26.017
you're never quite sure type thing.
838
00:45:26.017 --> 00:45:27.787
So there's a lot of losses
839
00:45:28.157 --> 00:45:31.487
that occur because the prices were wrong or we didn't get around to putting
840
00:45:31.587 --> 00:45:34.297
the shelf tags on that sort of thing.
841
00:45:34.367 --> 00:45:35.847
So that's, that's a big one.
842
00:45:35.877 --> 00:45:41.337
But RFID, because of just the rise in these multi-channel sales that
843
00:45:41.337 --> 00:45:45.287
are occurring and just knowing you have the product at the store level.
844
00:45:45.887 --> 00:45:49.757
So we're seeing overall eighty-nine percent of all orders
845
00:45:49.947 --> 00:45:51.387
are fulfilled from a store.
846
00:45:52.107 --> 00:45:55.887
And so, uh, that RFID is, is really helpful, and then it works all
847
00:45:55.887 --> 00:45:56.977
the way through the supply chain.
848
00:45:57.047 --> 00:46:00.897
You can use it for, tracking, traceability, all those sort of things.
849
00:46:01.617 --> 00:46:04.207
Okay I think the-- my most interesting bit, there
850
00:46:04.207 --> 00:46:05.537
are lots of great points there.
851
00:46:05.887 --> 00:46:09.227
I think it's most interesting that, you put upgrading the network first, that you
852
00:46:09.227 --> 00:46:11.027
can actually handle all of these things.
853
00:46:11.397 --> 00:46:14.037
Now, because it's been a while since we've seen so much data-intensive
854
00:46:14.037 --> 00:46:16.777
technology going into the store that needs to be supported, so
855
00:46:16.777 --> 00:46:17.897
that's an excellent point to watch
856
00:46:18.032 --> 00:46:23.162
we're seeing it in AI tools right now where, vendors are so compute
857
00:46:23.162 --> 00:46:24.872
limited that they're slowing down.
858
00:46:25.152 --> 00:46:29.402
Just can't use their models now, even though everybody wants to use them.
859
00:46:29.562 --> 00:46:33.072
It's the same same thing happening with the, the network at the stores.
860
00:46:33.482 --> 00:46:36.782
You start putting all of these different touch points in there, and
861
00:46:36.842 --> 00:46:39.182
the network simply can't handle it.
862
00:46:39.182 --> 00:46:43.192
And that all affects customer experience, number one, and then associate what
863
00:46:43.192 --> 00:46:46.612
associates think of working there and the tools that you can give them, so.
864
00:46:47.317 --> 00:46:48.137
Yep, and that's so true.
865
00:46:48.697 --> 00:46:50.897
Greg, thank you for joining us today and kicking off the
866
00:46:50.897 --> 00:46:54.147
series with this incredible topic around shelf intelligence.
867
00:46:54.147 --> 00:46:56.957
I think we have a few hints in there on what's to come in the
868
00:46:56.957 --> 00:46:58.437
next two parts of the series.
869
00:46:58.437 --> 00:47:02.347
I think we've got some things coming up on store associate tools and
870
00:47:02.347 --> 00:47:05.177
supply chain and returns, and we kind of touched on all of those.
871
00:47:05.497 --> 00:47:06.837
So looking forward to those coming up.
872
00:47:07.752 --> 00:47:07.942
Yep.
873
00:47:08.052 --> 00:47:08.542
Thank you.
874
00:47:09.146 --> 00:47:13.086
Greg, as we wrap up part one, if anyone would like to follow up
875
00:47:13.086 --> 00:47:18.596
with you to dig deeper with IHL's help, what's the best way for them to reach out?
876
00:47:20.266 --> 00:47:24.046
So e- the easiest way is on our website, ihlservices.com, and
877
00:47:24.106 --> 00:47:28.766
just say, "Contact us," or you can find me at Greg Buzek on LinkedIn
878
00:47:29.406 --> 00:47:31.546
at Greg Buzek and find me there.
879
00:47:31.996 --> 00:47:32.236
Great.
880
00:47:32.236 --> 00:47:34.696
And you guys, if you're not already following Greg, you need
881
00:47:34.696 --> 00:47:35.976
to be following Greg on LinkedIn.
882
00:47:36.596 --> 00:47:37.036
Thank you.
883
00:47:37.996 --> 00:47:39.346
again, thanks Greg.
884
00:47:39.346 --> 00:47:43.066
We'll be looking forward to part two on in-store associate tools.
885
00:47:43.386 --> 00:47:45.726
So Ricardo, I'd say this episode is a wrap.
886
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