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Michelle Gibson is joining us live on the other side
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of midnight. Michelle Gibson travels the world in search of
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research for her alternative history work. She is respected, and
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maybe she doesn't know this, but among other alternative history people,
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she's considered to be the queen. She's considered to be
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at the top of the food chain of alternative history
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researchers because she's serious about She does her homework. She's
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a researcher. She's official. She's educated. She's not a goofball. Michelle,
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thanks for being on the show.
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Hi. Hi.
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How are you, Walter?
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Very good. Now that you're here, I'm fine.
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Thank you for the introduction.
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A total fact. In fact, if you want, I'll send
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you the transcript. You can put it on your next book.
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Thank you.
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Sure.
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Now, you just did a little traveling. Share with us.
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where you went, and then the stage is yours to
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share what other information you'd like to have. But I
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know you made a big trip, so tell us about
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that trip.
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I recently got back from Australia, and I was there
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for about two weeks. And it was really an eye-opening
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experience for me in a way, because even though I
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knew a lot about Australia, being there, on the ground
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brings a lot more information in. And so I would
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say more confirmation of some things that I've seen, not
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only in Australia, but around the world and how things
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are covered up. And so in so many places, and
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I'm going to give some literally rock solid examples of
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what I'm about to talk about. If you go into
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national parks and other places, you see what are actually
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megalithic stone blocks that are called natural. And this is
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the case in Australia, and it's the case in other places.
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Cut and shaped stone blocks, we're talking massively. where the
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mind just can't even compute that they could possibly be man-made.
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But they are masonry. And you've got examples in Peru,
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in Turkey, in the United Kingdom, where they're allowed to
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be called man-made. But that's not the case in places
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like Australia, in North America, in Africa even. We're told
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that it's natural. It was formed naturally over hundreds of
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millions of years. But I just did a... I do
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my research through blogging, and then I make videos out
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of my blog posts, and I called it Connecting Strange Dots,
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Natural Rock Formations, or Megalithic Cities. And I laid out
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the argument that there are really strange connections between these
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places that you have to do a deep dive into
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to pull it out. But I saw this in Australia,
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and you see it in Germany, you see it in Canada,
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across the United States, where places that are described as
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rock cities with... conglomerate rock formations and wide boulevards, and
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it's in Giant City and the Shawnee National Forest in Illinois.
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But there's a particular place where it's striking, and that's
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between West Virginia and New York on US 219. Some
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of the strange thoughts I'm finding with all of these
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places worldwide are railroad history, Roundhouses, which I talked about
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the last time I talked to you, Walter, railroad roundhouse
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infrastructure was worldwide. And that has disappeared. There's a few
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historical structures that are intact, but most of them are gone.
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And So in this U.S. 219 area, going from West
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Virginia to New York, for example, you have these rock
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cities all along the way. Beartown State Park, Panther Rocks,
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Filters Rocks in Pennsylvania, Panama Rocks, and Rock City in
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New York State. And in these places, there's a history of.
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Railroad roundhouses, you have Civil War history, you have caves
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and caverns, and my belief is that there was an
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energy grid that was destroyed. So when we talk about
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alternative history and the idea that there was an advanced civilization,
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which is best known as Tartaria, my is that the
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destruction of that energy grid is what caused the world
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that we see in today, that we live in today.
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Now, let's talk about— I' m sorry, go ahead and finish, then
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I've got another question for you.
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Okay, sure. So, land subsided, deserts were formed, and those
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are swamps and bogs and you name it, and that
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the world that we live in today was brought about
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intentionally by the, let's call it the bringers in of
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the New World Order, and they needed a replacement fuel
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source to get things up and running again after the
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free energy grid was destroyed. And that's the beginnings of
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our gas and oil dependence program. And that as soon
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as they didn't need the rail infrastructure anymore is when
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they started to remove it. And we've also been talking
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about why did they take the streetcars and the interurbans
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and the railroad out. So go ahead with your question.
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To somebody who has never spent one second thinking about
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Tartaria or what it is, could you please give the
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Michelle Gibson summary of why it actually existed? And why
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you're sure it existed. And what a novice to the
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subject could look at just one or two things in
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their spare time and go, oh, whoa, what is this? Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Help bring somebody to the reality of Tartaria.
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In bigger cities, Walter... You just have to look at
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the architecture of places. So if you're talking about New
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York City and you're looking at the beautiful universities and
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the cathedrals and the museums and the theaters, those are massive,
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elaborate buildings. Heavy stone masonry. And we're surrounded by these buildings.
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we're given a timeline for them. And in our narrative,
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the timeline that we're given for when these gorgeous buildings
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were built does not match the technology we're told existed
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at the time. And why don't we build that way anymore?
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And it's to cover up the fact that there was
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a pre-existing civilization that was capable of this technology, of
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this building technology, that, like I said, it just doesn't
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exist anymore. If they, in fact, build it, then why
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aren't we building that way anymore? And then in smaller communities,
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you have the same thing. You have, like, courthouses, for example.
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In many places, the ones that are still standing are, again,
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these huge masonry buildings, you know, said to have been built,
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let's say, in the late 1800s, early 1900s. And the
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same kind of thing, heavy masonry, columns, Greco-Roman-looking buildings, high
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schools that are Greco-Roman, look like Greek temples, things like that.
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And whoever is behind this don't want us to know
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about this civilization, so they've removed it from our collective
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awareness and give us the narrative that we believe to
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be true. which comes from Hollywood and Westerns.
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Right, right, right. Michelle Gibson, alternative history expert researcher. Now,
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it's biting them. 150 years ago, when they started to
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remove the natural energy from our universe, from our civilization,
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the energy from the ether, the energy from the ley lines,
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when this started to be destroyed in order to force
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us to use oil, and get a bill each month
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for the oil, electricity, well, guess what? Now they have
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a problem, a serious problem, because the electric grid built
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100 years ago is failing. They can't keep up with it,
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and they can't keep building enough new distribution wires to
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keep up with it. And they are now, rather than saying, okay,
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this is the electrical needs we're going to have, Now
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the announcement, especially in the Southwest, is we have to
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have rolling blackouts. We have to have rolling blackouts, rolling brownouts.
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We can't keep up with it. Now, you throw in
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the artificial intelligence generators, good luck. The problem is serious.
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They can't build the electric grid fast enough. They didn't
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take care of it well enough. In many parts of America,
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those wires and those towers are 125 years old. Son
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of a gun, there seem to be some problems. And
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there's no backup. They don't have another system. You're right.
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All the antennas on the roof, the copper antennas bringing
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in ether energy, those are gone 100 years ago. The
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ley lines, not only are they gone 100 years ago
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because of pollution and destruction, they're forgotten. Nobody even remembers
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they were there. And that's the situation we're in today,
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Michelle Gibson.
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And that's intentional. They intentionally removed the awareness and knowledge
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about the ley lines from us so we wouldn't know
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about them. And they've been capitalizing on them. And, you know,
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maybe they went away or maybe they're still using them
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without our being aware of it, which I think is
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quite likely.
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Really?
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Who would be using them? Who would be using them, Michelle?
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So you gave the example of the power system, and
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I don't know this for a fact. This is something
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that's kind of come up from others through the research
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that I've done and comments that have been made. They
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stick a meter on us to pay for electricity, but
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that system is still drawing electricity from the ether, for example,
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and maybe not the way that we think it is.
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And that that power is still being utilized in some way, somehow.
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And I think there's a planned obsolescence there, actually. I agree.
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I don't think they have the ability to repair and
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replace or even improve upon what was existing prior. I
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think they've used that. And I think there's an intentional
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destruction of civilization in our way of life. And I
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think there's a lot happening in the world right now
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that is speaking to that. Now, is that what's going
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to end up happening? I'm very optimistic that there's other
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forces in play that are going to help humanity grow.
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and get through this time. I do believe that. And
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I don't think things are going to go the way
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that were originally planned. Right now, we seem to have
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front row seats into seeing what was planned for us
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play out. And I think the beings behind this, I
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think it was more about just making more than just
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making money. That was a big part of it because
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the people behind this got incredibly wealthy with the oil
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and with corporations and all the things that were brought in.
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I don't think it existed before that time. I think
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everything was completely different until this energy grid was intentionally destroyed.
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And then things were brought in on top of that,
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on top of an earth that was ruined by by
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the destruction of this grid. And they got everything up
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and running so that they could get civilization restarted, so
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they could bring in what we are experiencing in today's world.
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Michelle Gibson, alternative history expert. If you'd like to chat
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with Michelle, the number is 800-848-9222. 800-848-9222. Michelle is an
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expert on alternative history. Our power... How we get electricity
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today and why. Why we don't get it the way
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they did in the 1800s for free. She brings common sense.
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She's a common sense archaeologist in that everything she says,
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you go, oh my gosh, you're right. Think about the
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cathedrals in your community. Think about the grand government buildings
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and grand train stations in your community that were built
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in 1890. Take a look at them. Nothing we've built
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since looks anything like that. The difference is that when
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those were built, they were in the middle of a
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cornfield surrounded by dirt roads. People had to bring the
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construction material on horse-drawn carts. Does that make any sense?
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Giant brass bronze sculptures, incredible doorways, hand carvings, gargoyles, the
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likes of which could not be made today. Does it
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make any sense that they were built in 1890? I
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don't think so, Max. Max, you're on the other side
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of midnight with Michelle Gibson.
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Hi. Michelle, thank you for taking my call. Which examples,
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which buildings would you show as examples or speak about
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as examples of Tartaria in Manhattan? Would you name the
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Metropolitan Museum of Art?
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A hundred percent, Max. Yeah. Patrick's Cathedral. Yeah. I don't
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think I've looked at New York also, but yeah, the
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Metropolitan Museum, that whole area around central park.
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The destroyed Penn station, the destroyed Penn station. Yes.
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Um, you know, the universities, um, the bill that just around, uh,
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I've looked extensively at the Bronx. I've looked at Manhattan, um,
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The bridges, you know, Yankee Stadium has a lot in
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the Bronx. But, I mean, just look at the architecture
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in Manhattan from the perspective of could they have possibly
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built this when they said they built it? And like
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Walter was saying, just the big, massive architecture that seems
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much larger than Manhattan. something that would have been built
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for people that are our size, people that were much larger.
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The Museum of Art is a good example.
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Right, and Penn Station was a good example. That had
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to go. Especially when you put it in the context of,
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could we do it today? Yeah, we could do it
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today for an unbelievable amount of money that nobody would
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spend in an incredible amount of time and more unions
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than you can imagine. Michelle Gibson, what is the name
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of your website?
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Piercingtheveilofillusion.com.
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You've got to say it three times. We're on the radio, Michelle.
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My website is piercingtheveilofillusion.com, and my YouTube channel is at MichelleGibson8946.
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MichelleGibson8946. Every time I mention your name to anybody like
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Guy Anderson in London, Any of the other people who
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are pursuing this information about Tartaria, about alternative history, about
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the Cathedral Bells. The Cathedral Bells is an amazing story.
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that any church will fess up to. It's a fascinating story,
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isn't it, Michelle?
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are train stations that look like cathedrals. With the cathedral windows.
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as part of this grid system that I'm talking about.
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The cathedral windows, like the rose windows, are shaped like
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sulfeggio frequencies. And the organs had their pipes put up
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right against these windows, like the frequency was going out
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through the system. You have... humongous bell towers that go
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up to the clouds practically. And nowadays they play music
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like Westminster, Westminster times and Westminster times is actually kind
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of jarring in a lot of places. You hear that
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every 15 minutes, every quarter hour. And, um, I think
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they used to send out healing frequencies, and I think
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the frequencies that come to us nowadays are deliberately discordant.
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and if you've got healing frequencies going out, it's going
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to be a much better place for all of us,
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and instead we've got all this noise. We've got music
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that was... Once tuned to 432 hertz, it's now at, like, 440,
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which was another deliberately done alteration to change the quality
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of the frequency that was coming in. Because again, I
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think I know, I believe that people that were behind
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our well-being and on things functioning smoothly. And so the bells,
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which we were talking about before, that would have all
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been part of a healing frequency system.
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talk about frequencies and what they did and why they
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were changed and who changed them. That'll be our next
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conversation with Michelle Gibson, alternative history expert on the other
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side of midnight from the Red Apple Audio Networks.
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Michelle Gibson is joining us live on the other side
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of midnight. Michelle Gibson travels the world in search of
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research for her alternative history work. She is respected, and
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maybe she doesn't know this, but among other alternative history people,
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she's considered to be the queen. She's considered to be
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at the top of the food chain of alternative history
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researchers because she's serious about She does her homework. She's
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a researcher. She's official. She's educated. She's not a goofball. Michelle,
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thanks for being on the show.
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Hi. Hi.
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How are you, Walter?
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Very good. Now that you're here, I'm fine.
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Thank you for the introduction.
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A total fact. In fact, if you want, I'll send
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you the transcript. You can put it on your next book.
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Thank you.
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Sure.
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Now, you just did a little traveling. Share with us.
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where you went, and then the stage is yours to
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share what other information you'd like to have. But I
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know you made a big trip, so tell us about
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I recently got back from Australia, and I was there
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for about two weeks. And it was really an eye-opening
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experience for me in a way, because even though I
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knew a lot about Australia, being there, on the ground
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brings a lot more information in. And so I would
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say more confirmation of some things that I've seen, not
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only in Australia, but around the world and how things
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are covered up. And so in so many places, and
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what I'm about to talk about. If you go into
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national parks and other places, you see what are actually
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megalithic stone blocks that are called natural. And this is
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the case in Australia, and it's the case in other places.
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Cut and shaped stone blocks, we're talking massively. where the
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mind just can't even compute that they could possibly be man-made.
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in Turkey, in the United Kingdom, where they're allowed to
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be called man-made. But that's not the case in places
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like Australia, in North America, in Africa even. We're told
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that it's natural. It was formed naturally over hundreds of
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millions of years. But I just did a... I do
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my research through blogging, and then I make videos out
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of my blog posts, and I called it Connecting Strange Dots,
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Natural Rock Formations, or Megalithic Cities. And I laid out
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the argument that there are really strange connections between these
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places that you have to do a deep dive into
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to pull it out. But I saw this in Australia,
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and you see it in Germany, you see it in Canada,
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across the United States, where places that are described as
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rock cities with... conglomerate rock formations and wide boulevards, and
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it's in Giant City and the Shawnee National Forest in Illinois.
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of the strange thoughts I'm finding with all of these
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places worldwide are railroad history, Roundhouses, which I talked about
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the last time I talked to you, Walter, railroad roundhouse
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infrastructure was worldwide. And that has disappeared. There's a few
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historical structures that are intact, but most of them are gone.
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cities all along the way. Beartown State Park, Panther Rocks,
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Filters Rocks in Pennsylvania, Panama Rocks, and Rock City in
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New York State. And in these places, there's a history of.
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and caverns, and my belief is that there was an
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energy grid that was destroyed. So when we talk about
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alternative history and the idea that there was an advanced civilization,
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which is best known as Tartaria, my is that the
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destruction of that energy grid is what caused the world
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that we see in today, that we live in today.
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Okay, sure. So, land subsided, deserts were formed, and those
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are swamps and bogs and you name it, and that
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the world that we live in today was brought about
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intentionally by the, let's call it the bringers in of
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the New World Order, and they needed a replacement fuel
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source to get things up and running again after the
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free energy grid was destroyed. And that's the beginnings of
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our gas and oil dependence program. And that as soon
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as they didn't need the rail infrastructure anymore is when
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they started to remove it. And we've also been talking
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about why did they take the streetcars and the interurbans
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and the railroad out. So go ahead with your question.
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Tartaria or what it is, could you please give the
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Michelle Gibson summary of why it actually existed? And why
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you're sure it existed. And what a novice to the
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subject could look at just one or two things in
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their spare time and go, oh, whoa, what is this? Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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the architecture of places. So if you're talking about New
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York City and you're looking at the beautiful universities and
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the cathedrals and the museums and the theaters, those are massive,
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elaborate buildings. Heavy stone masonry. And we're surrounded by these buildings.
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we're given a timeline for them. And in our narrative,
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the timeline that we're given for when these gorgeous buildings
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were built does not match the technology we're told existed
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at the time. And why don't we build that way anymore?
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a pre-existing civilization that was capable of this technology, of
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this building technology, that, like I said, it just doesn't
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exist anymore. If they, in fact, build it, then why
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aren't we building that way anymore? And then in smaller communities,
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you have the same thing. You have, like, courthouses, for example.
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these huge masonry buildings, you know, said to have been built,
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let's say, in the late 1800s, early 1900s. And the
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same kind of thing, heavy masonry, columns, Greco-Roman-looking buildings, high
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schools that are Greco-Roman, look like Greek temples, things like that.
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about this civilization, so they've removed it from our collective
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awareness and give us the narrative that we believe to
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be true. which comes from Hollywood and Westerns.
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Right, right, right. Michelle Gibson, alternative history expert researcher. Now,
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it's biting them. 150 years ago, when they started to
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remove the natural energy from our universe, from our civilization,
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the energy from the ether, the energy from the ley lines,
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when this started to be destroyed in order to force
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us to use oil, and get a bill each month
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for the oil, electricity, well, guess what? Now they have
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a problem, a serious problem, because the electric grid built
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100 years ago is failing. They can't keep up with it,
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and they can't keep building enough new distribution wires to
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keep up with it. And they are now, rather than saying, okay,
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this is the electrical needs we're going to have, Now
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the announcement, especially in the Southwest, is we have to
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have rolling blackouts. We have to have rolling blackouts, rolling brownouts.
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the artificial intelligence generators, good luck. The problem is serious.
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They can't build the electric grid fast enough. They didn't
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take care of it well enough. In many parts of America,
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those wires and those towers are 125 years old. Son
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of a gun, there seem to be some problems. And
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there's no backup. They don't have another system. You're right.
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All the antennas on the roof, the copper antennas bringing
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in ether energy, those are gone 100 years ago. The
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because of pollution and destruction, they're forgotten. Nobody even remembers
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they were there. And that's the situation we're in today,
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Michelle Gibson.
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And that's intentional. They intentionally removed the awareness and knowledge
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about the ley lines from us so we wouldn't know
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about them. And they've been capitalizing on them. And, you know,
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maybe they went away or maybe they're still using them
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without our being aware of it, which I think is
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quite likely.
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Really?
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Who would be using them? Who would be using them, Michelle?
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I don't know this for a fact. This is something
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that's kind of come up from others through the research
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that I've done and comments that have been made. They
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stick a meter on us to pay for electricity, but
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that system is still drawing electricity from the ether, for example,
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and maybe not the way that we think it is.
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I don't think they have the ability to repair and
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replace or even improve upon what was existing prior. I
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think they've used that. And I think there's an intentional
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destruction of civilization in our way of life. And I
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think there's a lot happening in the world right now
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that is speaking to that. Now, is that what's going
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to end up happening? I'm very optimistic that there's other
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forces in play that are going to help humanity grow.
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that were originally planned. Right now, we seem to have
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front row seats into seeing what was planned for us
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play out. And I think the beings behind this, I
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think it was more about just making more than just
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making money. That was a big part of it because
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the people behind this got incredibly wealthy with the oil
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everything was completely different until this energy grid was intentionally destroyed.
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on top of an earth that was ruined by by
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the destruction of this grid. And they got everything up
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and running so that they could get civilization restarted, so
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they could bring in what we are experiencing in today's world.
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Michelle Gibson, alternative history expert. If you'd like to chat
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with Michelle, the number is 800-848-9222. 800-848-9222. Michelle is an
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expert on alternative history. Our power... How we get electricity
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today and why. Why we don't get it the way
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they did in the 1800s for free. She brings common sense.
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She's a common sense archaeologist in that everything she says,
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you go, oh my gosh, you're right. Think about the
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cathedrals in your community. Think about the grand government buildings
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and grand train stations in your community that were built
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in 1890. Take a look at them. Nothing we've built
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since looks anything like that. The difference is that when
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those were built, they were in the middle of a
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cornfield surrounded by dirt roads. People had to bring the
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construction material on horse-drawn carts. Does that make any sense?
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Giant brass bronze sculptures, incredible doorways, hand carvings, gargoyles, the
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likes of which could not be made today. Does it
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make any sense that they were built in 1890? I
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don't think so, Max. Max, you're on the other side
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of midnight with Michelle Gibson.
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Hi. Michelle, thank you for taking my call. Which examples,
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which buildings would you show as examples or speak about
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as examples of Tartaria in Manhattan? Would you name the
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Metropolitan Museum of Art?
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A hundred percent, Max. Yeah. Patrick's Cathedral. Yeah. I don't
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think I've looked at New York also, but yeah, the
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Metropolitan Museum, that whole area around central park.
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The destroyed Penn station, the destroyed Penn station. Yes.
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Right.
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Um, you know, the universities, um, the bill that just around, uh,
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I've looked extensively at the Bronx. I've looked at Manhattan, um,
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The bridges, you know, Yankee Stadium has a lot in
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the Bronx. But, I mean, just look at the architecture
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in Manhattan from the perspective of could they have possibly
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built this when they said they built it? And like
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Walter was saying, just the big, massive architecture that seems
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much larger than Manhattan. something that would have been built
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for people that are our size, people that were much larger.
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The Museum of Art is a good example.
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Right, and Penn Station was a good example. That had
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to go. Especially when you put it in the context of,
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could we do it today? Yeah, we could do it
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today for an unbelievable amount of money that nobody would
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spend in an incredible amount of time and more unions
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than you can imagine. Michelle Gibson, what is the name
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of your website?
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Piercingtheveilofillusion.com.
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You've got to say it three times. We're on the radio, Michelle.
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My website is piercingtheveilofillusion.com, and my YouTube channel is at MichelleGibson8946.
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MichelleGibson8946. Every time I mention your name to anybody like
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Guy Anderson in London, Any of the other people who
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are pursuing this information about Tartaria, about alternative history, about
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the Cathedral Bells. The Cathedral Bells is an amazing story.
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What those cathedrals were originally for does not match anything
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that any church will fess up to. It's a fascinating story,
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isn't it, Michelle?
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It is. And then you throw in there that there
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are train stations that look like cathedrals. With the cathedral windows.
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And everything was laid out perfectly, geometrically, and I believe
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as part of this grid system that I'm talking about.
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The cathedral windows, like the rose windows, are shaped like
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sulfeggio frequencies. And the organs had their pipes put up
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right against these windows, like the frequency was going out
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through the system. You have... humongous bell towers that go
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up to the clouds practically. And nowadays they play music
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like Westminster, Westminster times and Westminster times is actually kind
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of jarring in a lot of places. You hear that
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every 15 minutes, every quarter hour. And, um, I think
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they used to send out healing frequencies, and I think
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the frequencies that come to us nowadays are deliberately discordant.
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Frequencies do have an impact on us and our thinking,
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and if you've got healing frequencies going out, it's going
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to be a much better place for all of us,
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and instead we've got all this noise. We've got music
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that was... Once tuned to 432 hertz, it's now at, like, 440,
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which was another deliberately done alteration to change the quality
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of the frequency that was coming in. Because again, I
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think I know, I believe that people that were behind
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this knew the impact that frequency has on us and
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our well-being and on things functioning smoothly. And so the bells,
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which we were talking about before, that would have all
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been part of a healing frequency system.
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Michelle Gibson, when you're on next week, we're going to
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talk about frequencies and what they did and why they
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were changed and who changed them. That'll be our next
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conversation with Michelle Gibson, alternative history expert on the other
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side of midnight from the Red Apple Audio Networks.
