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You. Welcome back to our podcast, and we decided we'd talk about residencies this time, because I'd been on one, my first one ever. We went to hear all about it.
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My first thought is, Tanya, you said you were going on a residency, and then you put pictures on Instagram stories of what looked like a chateau with a wedding venue and palatial gardens and a vineyard or something. So I said, are you there with 20 other artists doing residencies? And you said, no, just us. So I need to hear more about was the whole place your own, or how much space was for you? And
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we had this place had about four or five apartments inside a kind of mediaeval chateau. It had its own church as well. It encouraged us to go meditate in but it was also used as a wedding venue because it was a vineyard. It had its own wines, which it produced from the vineyard. There was a shop hidden away somewhere, tastefully in this Chateau where you could go and buy the wine. So it had all this going on. But in low season, I before April, the beginning of April, they could offer out these rooms to people to come on residences. So the woman who'd been before me was a writer called Dorrit, a fiction writer, and the woman before that was a burlesque dancer, I think, or something like that, body positive burlesque dancer who gone there to do some writing, some retreat, writing about a course or something. So they had very general acceptance terms. And that's that's the interesting thing about residences. They are so broad and so different in terms of what they're looking for.
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Always free to the artist the residency a little
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bit this one, we had to pay a little bit. But there's all it's like setting up filters in booking.com you can decide what you want to do and what you're not prepared to do. So for me, I'm bit of a commitment phobe, and plus, I didn't really know what I wanted to do except just start drawing again. So I was like, I'll pay a bit to not promise you anything. Yeah, that's what that's the kind of deal I wanted. And I didn't want to be with other people or go to artists dinners on the Friday nights. There's these really organised ones. Some are very famous residency places like Napal in the south of France, where you're in this beautiful chateau, people have dedicated studio space with lots of different disciplines, and they'll all meet and have interactive artists sessions. They'll leave work for their host. They'll do an exhibition. So there's other commitments and those ones, some of those can be fully funded as well, which is to artists ears, particularly fine artists. This is amazing that you can have a stipend for living there, and they may pay your travel as well. But for this one, we paid for our own travel, paid a nominal amount to stay in this beautiful apartment. The place was called Chateau San Pierre de Majan, which was, I didn't look it up properly. I knew it was in the south of France, but when closer to going. I looked it up, and it was like, this is in the labour on. This is supposed to be the most amazing part of the South of France. And it was really beautiful.
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It looked gorgeous. That a peek at the website fancy, and they're
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really committed to the arts. It just I said I would send her some prints that I have, drawings that I did while I was there. But she was the lady Wendy who owned it, was very relaxed about it, and they just liked having artists around it. It's part of their vision
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that's lovely, isn't it? No expectation. So you didn't have to write a proposal of what you were going to do while you were there, or anything like that.
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I did write a proposal, but I tried to keep it quite loose, saying what I really wanted to use residency for was not to come up with a specific end product, but I felt duty brown to write that, which, in retrospect, I didn't really need to do. All I wanted to do was start drawing. And by being there, I actually drew every day. After 223, years of watching people on Instagram doing drawing challenges, do you mean drawing from life? Just drawing from life? Yeah, just drawing for just for the love of it, and I haven't done that, I don't know. Could probably say 30 years to just rediscover Drawing Practice and I practice, but you know, just to sit and observe and draw a tree for no reason except that you love looking at it was a revelation. And drawing slowly, I suddenly started to draw anti art club approach. You've got all the time in the world on this tree, and you've got a very sharp to be pencil. Was it a black queen?
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It was a gorgeous god.
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I love doing it. Just drawing like that felt like coming home. Yeah, with no expectation. And then I kept feeling guilty, thinking, I'm not supposed to be doing this. I should be doing the thing I said I would do, which was this map. So I put together a travelling art kit of digital stuff and analogue materials, bloody heavy. And then I got my laptop up, set it all up. I'd got my way compact, lightweight, way compact, but doing a map was like zooming in, zooming out, and it's like, just give me my big old cinema screen. I cannot do this on a laptop. And that led me to finally try procreate. So I've joined you. I finally learned procreate, which was just a revelation. I've only had the iPad for three years and had procreate downloaded. I
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loved it. You were messaging us from on that on our good ship Whatsapp group. So what brushes Shall I get? What the brushes I should find? Yeah, did you try out lots of brushes? I
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bought viv's brushes. The ones great. I love him. If I could load them, they'd probably be quite good. So I need another lesson, how to help load brushes into pro happy
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with that? Will you? Yeah, the milder burger brushes. Oh, they're amazing, by the way. Vivian milder burger, this is completely off topic to tell you about it. I accidentally discovered the other day that she has a brilliant other Instagram account where she lifts massive weight wearing fantastic big like wrestlers pants and boots like a old fashioned wrestler would wear, and she lifts these huge weights. So I already thought she was the coolest woman in the world, and now my mind is just blown. She's incredible. That's
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amazing. Sub niche, isn't it? Illustrator plus weight lifter
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Sarah Dyer does it as well. I think there must be a thing. I think we're gonna have to take it up behind the left
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behind already
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menopause, or women, you've got to build muscle and the you should only be
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doing microphone into it. It was
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hard, in your defence, that's gonna be like 50 kilogrammes of
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anyway. Back to your procreate. Oh yeah, you're enjoying it. Yeah. And
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I just need to get some better brushes. You recommended Joe Stewart drawings, the
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Joel Stewart ones, the vivid and milder burger ones. There's loads of those good ones in the retro Supply Company, retro
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them, too. So anyone's got any recommendations for brushes? But those are all three. I
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like the free one, the studio pen. There's a lot you can do with that. What's that on procreates, it's called studio pen, and it's a lovely round pen, yeah.
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And you can adjust them behind the scenes. You can alter them, and you've gone into the settings. And I
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used to do that in a Photoshop. I thought I was a genius. That was 10 years ago, till everyone else said, now I can make my own brushes. And also. Kyle Stewart, if you're out there, please hurry up and get the procreate brushes downloaded, because that's what I used to use in Photoshop. Webster, is it? Yes. Kyle Webster, sorry, yeah,
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he's probably Joel Stewart, exactly.
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Kyle Webster's going to be doing all the brushes for procreate as he's jumped from Adobe to that. So it was supposed to be out now, but anyway, I
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can't wait to see the work you've been making. Have you made it because you knew it was going to stay private, and did that take the pressure off, or are you going to allow us to look at
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scared
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she's crossed her arms.
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Draw some pictures of the chickens. At the chickens, they're always a joy to draw, aren't you? Yeah, chickens and trees much easier to draw than humans, because it shows when you've got it wrong on a human.
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Nobody knows what chickens should look like,
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and they're so inspiring. So yeah, what I like about not committing to anything at that residency is that you come out doing what you really need, as opposed to what you thought you would sell you on a residency. And some of the application forms for these different places are very demanding, and some of them are really easy. So if you go on to places like artist residency.net, I think it is. I'm going to put all this in a sub stack list, which is another issue, but I'm going to do some resources for different residences you can apply for. But I didn't know there were illustrators residences. I just thought there were fine artists or musicians or sculptors. But when our local Barrick Creative Group, thanks to James at the Maltings, invited a few people like Anna Chapman and Morag, who had done residences before, to talk about them. It was, it really opened my mind and like, yeah, you can just do day residences in your locality. You can travel to them, or you could do it in a museum. You can do ones that you pay for, or ones that you're fully paid for. So there's all these different varieties, but just to say that they are open for illustrators, there's lots of picture book residencies that are for either collaboration with writers or research based just where you want to think up the story and not necessarily leave going, hurrah, I've got a portfolio of stuff. You've just thought it through and you're ready to work. So the
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one day residency that sounds good. I could do a one day one. I love that Katie boom done next. I was
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just thinking six weeks.
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Yeah, six weeks in the south along
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with your residency. This again,
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it could be as long as we wanted, but it was for two and a half weeks in the end. And then, of course, I turned up sick and didn't work for the first week. The Goldilocks
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thing again, isn't it? I want to do one day. Yeah, Tanya's 234, weeks. Yeah, yeah, six weeks
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ahead. It's exactly that. It's our time span. Yeah,
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but I noticed you delicately skimmed over the sub stack thing there, Tanya, you haven't got away with it. Sub stack is
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like, procreate something I've been promising to do the residency. That would be a good idea. But Helen, how am I going to learn how to do a sub stack? Set up my sub stack really simply, from the session you gave in the business course. Was that a like, Here you go. Don't first. Wasn't so much a how
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to of as because that's all kind of in the settings in the background is kind of boring. But if you want a how to I'll sit with you and show you how to write your first one. And what all the settings in the background would you look like?
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Does everyone else want to come as well?
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Should record this? Why not? Because the sub stack thing in the course is more about what you would write about how often you would do it. I talked about my benefits, how to earn money. We talk about money, all of that kind of stuff, but, yeah, there's not a how to do it with all of the different settings in the background, but we could do
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that. You need to give the people what they want. Tania, because somebody yesterday tagged me and Helen in a comment, and they were like, Helen and Katie from Goodship are on substack, but not Tanya yet, I don't think. And I replied saying, Tanya is aloof and mysterious, but mysterious gurus, yeah, making noises like you might do a sub stack.
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I've been ruminating over what would be interesting enough to say, and yeah. And I always think I don't like writing. I prefer talking, so I've started to record them directly.
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That's a brilliant way of doing it. It's brilliant way of doing it. Do you know I've started doing that with friends? Is I'm so sick of typing out into my into my photo, yeah, people that I want to see, my brother, my sister, close friends who don't live near I think you do this. I've just started voice recordings, and sometimes they're as long as a podcast, and they record the same back. And I love it so much. And I was thinking, I should just be doing this for sub stack, because it's such a lovely way to do it without the pressure of putting it through Grammarly and getting all my spelling sorted out and
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and it's also your true voice. Because I think the moment I start writing, I overthink it so much I jump back and forth between sentences, leave all the words, let alone my typos, that's bad enough, but just the reinserting and editing, and in the end, it's just a patchwork quilt of a mess. So it's much. I think it's easier to speak as you find straight in there, and then you'll actually sound like a human being, and not something that you put through chat GPT, because you're over fiddled with it. But one question, would I have to do it every week if I said I was going to do a sub stack?
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No, definitely. I don't make promises about how frequent mine will be, because I don't want that pressure. Because as soon as I give myself that pressure, I rebel against it. Even though I said it, I rebel against myself. Obviously,
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you do post quite consistently, though, I try
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to post almost every Sunday, as opposed to just a chat about what's going on and look forward to
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your Sunday house chat, because I know when I get up on a Sunday morning, have my coffee before everyone's awake. I know I can read Helen's Sunday chat. That's
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why me too. That's what I hope people just think, oh, there's a bit of kind of boring business of a Sunday there. Let's have a look, watch eating for breakfast. It's very low key, but you have
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Sunday house, and then you have picture book. Picture Book
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is every Thursday, but I'm in the middle of a deadline at the moment. I just can't I just can't get my head around it. So I don't promise it, and no one minds. Nobody minds. And if they do, they just leave. And then when I'm back again, and I'm doing it frequently again. People come back, so I'm just happy. It's usually I've got around 150 paid people, and if I don't post for a while, actually, I don't lose many people because they don't notice, yeah, but then I'll post again and they remember me, and they unsubscribe.
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If I post too much, people leave because they're like, oh, being a writer, that
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I don't follow how many people are signed up too closely, because it's not really relevant. People come and go at their and that it's their business, and they must do that. And I do that with other people.
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This is guilt and shame based. So I just want to make sure I'm not going to screw up. No one's going to make me feel guilty. No, as
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long as you don't promise it, just don't promise it. If
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you're going to switch on paid, it doesn't make it a paid thing. Maybe I don't know, I haven't thought about that's the general advice from substack is just switch on paid, and then you don't look and it's on, switch
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on paid right from the start, because there'll be people who would. Just really like to support you and want to buy you a coffee every month, yeah? So you just switch it on. But I made the big area of area of switching mine on right at the start, and not specifying that I don't take that, it's sterling, Pound sterling. And so people were paying me in dollars, and then when I tried to recoup it, I couldn't, no, yeah. So you have to choose what currency want it in. Yeah, or about this
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other thing that I think about, since sub stack has got bigger and bigger, aren't people just I can't deal with another sub stack. Everyone's at it, everyone's got a podcast, everyone's got a sub stack.
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I don't feel like that's the case, because I have a big call. I don't know about you, Katie, but I see how many people are arriving in main box, and when it feels a bit full, I have a bit of a call, yeah, and I only pay for a few at a time, and if I decide to subscribe to a new one and pay for it, I get rid of an old one. So it's up to the person on sub stack, how many people's sub stacks they want to read. So I try not to follow too many. I really carefully select who I want, and I get rid of any that they've been arriving in my inbox, and I find I'm not looking at them. I just unsubscribe.
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No good, solid housekeeping tips. People are overwhelmed, because
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it's just so easy to choose very specifically which ones you want, and on Instagram, it is overwhelming. You just scroll, I follow far too many people, plus Instagram. Suggest people at me all the time. The great thing with sub stack is you very carefully choose who you want in your email box, so you're much more dedicated to hearing that person and the people who follow you specifically want to hear from you. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's
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like inviting people into your house, okay, you could actually come into my email box rather than just the passive consumption of scroll media. Yeah,
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subscribes helped me feel much better about unsubscribes and things like that, because I think I used to be really sensitive, so noticing numbers go down and be like, Oh, when I posted that lots of people left. What am I done? But now I feel like because of that thing, if people are just curating what they listen to, what they like, I feel more like I've got a healthy attitude towards the people who are still subscribed amazing. That's so cool, like they're here and they're really choosing to be there. Yeah? So I don't know. I think yeah, maybe because there have been so many like dips and roller coasters and things,
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do you think it's something that's easier to do than Patreon? Because you see a lot of Patreon burnout, don't you?
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I see more Patreon burnout than sub stack. I think you could, you'd be in danger of getting sub stack if you promised a weekly in depth.
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Yeah, if you've made promises with clear guidelines. I just think
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if you don't set up the promises, too much structure for me, for my kind of brain, I don't want to make that promise, because I'll rebel against it. Whereas if I don't promise very much, I feel great when I'm sending it, because I feel like I am over. They're getting more than they expected.
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And I promise I do hear a
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lot of Patreon people, feeling burnt out, and I always wonder about that, because with Patreon, the more stuff you make, the bigger catalogue you've got. So like, I've not done Patreon, but I would imagine as you go on, there's more and more back catalogue, so you could take the pressure off a bit. But I don't hear people talk about it like that. Yeah, people say I just feel like I need to keep creating. Need to keep creating. But
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I think the thing with sub stack is, if you build up an archive, don't you, and the whole thing with sub stack is it pays creators, so like you're saying you're busy with a book deadline, and sub stacks just chugging along in the background, and you don't have to do anything. And
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I don't mind if people leave. If I'm too busy and I'm not posting anything. I don't mind if they leave. I feel like
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that's how it should be, like it's supporting you, and if you want to do stuff because it feels fun, you do if you don't stuff it, it's fine. People can leave if they don't like it
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does seem that, again, as an outsider, not having used either as a creator, but it does seem that the obligations are different on Patreon, and that's where people are getting tripped up because they feel locked into content provision. Whereas sub stack sounds like my kind of relax,
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people who promise very specific things and quite a lot, but I'm guessing those people that's their full time job. Yeah. Are you all sub stack with the jobs that's very frequent? You've probably got that set up easy to send out. Do you promise? So this
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is the thing I don't actually promise. I just say I'll share jobs. But then, obviously I can't control really how many jobs are coming in. So it's just been the bank holiday, so it's been really quiet. But part of me in the back of my mind was like, oh, there's not been any inquiries to put on the jobs board. This has been a few days, but before the jobs board, I had paid switch on, switched on. And I think there was five people paying, even though I wrote every two months one article that was free anyway. So people do just want to pay, because they want to pay. And I even wrote to these people. I was like, What do you want? Like, why are you paying me? It's really disconcerting. And they're like, I just let you do that's not. Yes,
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yeah, there are people who sign up like that, and there's also you. There are options. People can sign and pay, is it weekly and then monthly, and then for a year subscription? I've forgotten there's different tiers, monthly and yearly, and then founding, because I said founding members are the ones that can pay a really big fee. So you can just put, if you like, to you could pay me 100 pounds, 200 pounds, 300 pounds,
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my founding one as a way of getting a one to one portfolio review. So that's when I really specifically promised something that we're gonna have a one hour session together. Yeah, and I'll look at all your stuff.
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I have to set mine up. So if you do this, you are mad, because I will not be supplying this single thing. And I have no idea whether anybody has actually so maybe you crazy people in there, I don't know,
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hello to Helen's founding members
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who somehow joined just to get told off. Okay, that's part of the next this summer's promise. I
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just want you to put a photo on your because I'm subscribed from you the other day because I thought, why am I following people with no photo on their thing? They're not taking this thought, where's Tanya? So I found you again, but you had no photo. And I thought, oh, that's I got rid of you because you didn't have a photo.
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I thought it was just a listening account and create a kind of thing I just passively sitting on the side here watching what happens. Now I'll go and put a photo for you. That'll be a good start. And then we'll have our meeting, yeah, and we'll record you teaching me, yeah,
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that's gonna be a win. I have to say, I'm not an expert at the behind the scenes stuff. I'll just share what I've figured out.
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That's exactly what I need to know, the bare basics, just enough to get by. You don't
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have to be an expert.
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It's like anything. It's like Photoshop or anything. As long as you know the bits you need that's enough exactly the artist published to it, yeah. Oh, the other thing I was going to say is, because some of it is free to everybody, and some of it is behind the pay wall, if I haven't got time to post some weeks, I just opened something from behind the pay wall. So I just send out a new sub stack to everybody, saying this was behind a pay wall, but I'm making it free to everybody now, just so there's an extra way of making content if I've got a deadline, yeah, just to open the gates for everybody. What's your favourite sub stack that you receive? Well, what I follow this one called one word. This guy chooses one word every month, and he makes a film about it. And they're always really good subjects, like one was video, and he had a really lovely wandering chat about the videos that his dad used to take of him when he was a little boy. And it was just a chat about his memories of his dad with lots of this lovely old 1980s video recording. Then it then he decided to visit the last remaining video rental blockbuster store in the US. It's only one. I don't know why it's still called blockbusters. I've forgotten, but it maybe was the last blockbusters. Maybe it's changed its name. Now he went to visit this guy, and it still runs this video rental shop, and it's massive, wow. But the guy was just like, it's about community. I have nice people who come in here are like, chatting to them, and he's telling us all about the gorgeousness of videos and why rent him from a shop you've just got a tiny selection. You've maybe rented it 10 times before, but you take it again just because of the comfort factor. And he's my favourite. He's called one word. Wow, yeah, what an elemental
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idea. I love the simplicity of it. Yeah, it's like kind of early hashtag challenges or something, isn't it? Just, I will take this one word and this will be my response, and
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it's always a personal response. It's really interesting. I also like garbage day, who we've talked yeah, sometimes I like garbage day explains the Internet to a person in her 50s who knows a way around a bit, but really loves to hear about all the weird stuff going on in the internet that I never see.
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It's become obviously much more political now, because it's from the US, so it's Liz looking at, dig at the Internet, digital iterations of it, and how politics mixes up with it, which you can only stand for a few weeks. Do you think I'll come back in six months or so,
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down into a couple of paragraphs, though, so I can get my head around it? Yeah, I really like that. It does a lot about AI and weird phenomenon my
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brain, my brain has just bunched these together to come up with what I think is a genius idea. Can I try it out on you? Yeah? Please. It's a draw hashtag, drawing challenge, yeah, based on what three words. Ooh. So you know those crazy addresses you get where they just bunch, you know the what three words, and it tells you, if you're in a field, your location is named by porridge motorbike grammar, yeah, and that will be your what three words, yeah. So you could do imagery based on what three
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go somewhere and find the words, yeah. This is a nice spot. What words is this? What bizarre
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high Q has, what three words come with? For me,
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really? Like it. When you're typing on your phone and it predicts what word you're going to say next. I love it. I love that so much, and I have loads of fun just letting it predict until I've got a paragraph of crazy predicted. I always think there must be a way of using this.
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We could do a podcast using it.
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It's just brilliant. I love it
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as well. Yeah, oh,
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I'm just gonna have to retro, retrospectively, slap a copyright on my what three words, hashtag. If anyone does that, I'll find you. We'll all find you, hunt you down, just wait on it, and we'll launch we'll see weight lifting. By then,
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I'm really disappointed about the one word thing, because I was getting excited that somebody just sends you a message with one word. I'd be like, what's the word this week? Email me lampshade.
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I'd be happy with that. Would you just draw it and send them a
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picture? Not even that reminds me of that fantastic podcast I got into with Harry hill. It was just noises. It was just noise. It was just like, it's just like, I will be here. I'll be I'm gonna press record while I'm working in my office or on my drive somewhere, and at some point during this podcast, I will make a noise. An hour could go by of me just listening.
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We got the noise.
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Listen to the end, just in case
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nothing else happened. Brilliant. I loved it should have
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been called that Scottish thing. You'll have had your noise.
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What we did waste our time answering questions and talking. We could just be I love these ideas.
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Katie, what's your favourite sub stack? In an attempt to stay on track,
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I'll subscribe to so many. But I think if there's any, my mind's just gone blank. Do
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you subscribe to our good shipper, Tara, yes.
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Tara, Tara Ford tea, yes. I love hers. She has
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like a, I'm really sorry, we'll remember, and we'll put it in the tech and underneath the podcast. But she it's like a kind of visual diary comic strip, but sometimes just one image with a bit of writing, sometimes a few. Her drawings are really lovely and her observations are just brilliant. Usually something that's gone on this week. She did one where she imagined herself as was it different? Dinosaurs. So there were some portraits as either extinct animals or dinosaurs. It was so funny. Yeah, they're good. I really like her.
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I'm gonna make Adam Ming's like, maybe I don't subscribe to his posts. I don't see them in my inbox, but I do see his notes, and I really like them.
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They pop up. Yeah? He chats about illustration every day he's on it. Yeah,
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I think I find that so inspiring, like, how consistently every day it scares
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me. It makes me feel like he's doing it really well. I'll just
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avoid that. You find it inspiring. I'm like, Oh, I'm a complete alien. I can't look that. Man makes me feel disaster.
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How counterproductive. There is a fine line, isn't it, between inspiration and devastation.
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I like to Freeman. Oh yeah, she makes me laugh so much. She's brilliant. I don't know much about it. I just know that her sub stacks, a little sort of cartoon sequences, Tales of a comic middle aged lady, yeah, and the weird things that happened. And her humour is so good, and it comes through the pictures so well,
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yeah, she flies her freak flag. There's
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something else I follow like that. Who's a comic artist. She does drawings about, like, motherhood, and is in, like, The New Yorker and stuff.
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I don't know. I can't remember her name. I don't know. I don't, I'm not sure follow this
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person. It's nearly there. It's like, just
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behind a COVID news. Gonna be great, though.
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And if you get really worried, just do the one word idea, yeah,
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all right, I could alternate, couldn't I, which would give me a breather. I think he was at a Carson Ellis, though, always such a lovely she's so relaxed in it about her work and her life. I really
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love he's a picture book maker. Bob shenanigans. Bob Shea. He writes one called Bob shenanigans, and it's absolutely brilliant. It's such dry, fantastic humour. One was all about how he milks children for their ideas, and it was written so dry. It was absolutely brilliant. I really recommend following him. Have
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you given a good list? Have you just remembered 1k? Do you look like
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just touched my microphone off the table and now you've got to hold it. Now we've
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got 20 more minutes of this. Don't be making texts like, I want to
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say something really pertinent, but I'm actually just
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holding place to end it before Katie gets cramp in her wrist. Yeah,
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we didn't go back to the residencies. Did we talk about everything we wanted to about your residency? That was
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to tease them, because your sub stack is going to be so incredible.
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I'm in the tube now, aren't I? By saying this, I'm actually committed. Okay, I'm good, no
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pressure, but you have to do it when I
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get the lesson off Helen, and then it will be forthcoming with specific names for places that love illustrators, and would give you a residency, but yeah, it's just great to slow down your drawing, open your mind, relax, find out what You really want to do. Lovely, yeah. Bye, okay. Bye.
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You. Welcome back to our podcast, and we decided we'd talk about residencies this time, because I'd been on one, my first one ever. We went to hear all about it.
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My first thought is, Tanya, you said you were going on a residency, and then you put pictures on Instagram stories of what looked like a chateau with a wedding venue and palatial gardens and a vineyard or something. So I said, are you there with 20 other artists doing residencies? And you said, no, just us. So I need to hear more about was the whole place your own, or how much space was for you? And
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we had this place had about four or five apartments inside a kind of mediaeval chateau. It had its own church as well. It encouraged us to go meditate in but it was also used as a wedding venue because it was a vineyard. It had its own wines, which it produced from the vineyard. There was a shop hidden away somewhere, tastefully in this Chateau where you could go and buy the wine. So it had all this going on. But in low season, I before April, the beginning of April, they could offer out these rooms to people to come on residences. So the woman who'd been before me was a writer called Dorrit, a fiction writer, and the woman before that was a burlesque dancer, I think, or something like that, body positive burlesque dancer who gone there to do some writing, some retreat, writing about a course or something. So they had very general acceptance terms. And that's that's the interesting thing about residences. They are so broad and so different in terms of what they're looking for.
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Always free to the artist the residency a little
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bit this one, we had to pay a little bit. But there's all it's like setting up filters in booking.com you can decide what you want to do and what you're not prepared to do. So for me, I'm bit of a commitment phobe, and plus, I didn't really know what I wanted to do except just start drawing again. So I was like, I'll pay a bit to not promise you anything. Yeah, that's what that's the kind of deal I wanted. And I didn't want to be with other people or go to artists dinners on the Friday nights. There's these really organised ones. Some are very famous residency places like Napal in the south of France, where you're in this beautiful chateau, people have dedicated studio space with lots of different disciplines, and they'll all meet and have interactive artists sessions. They'll leave work for their host. They'll do an exhibition. So there's other commitments and those ones, some of those can be fully funded as well, which is to artists ears, particularly fine artists. This is amazing that you can have a stipend for living there, and they may pay your travel as well. But for this one, we paid for our own travel, paid a nominal amount to stay in this beautiful apartment. The place was called Chateau San Pierre de Majan, which was, I didn't look it up properly. I knew it was in the south of France, but when closer to going. I looked it up, and it was like, this is in the labour on. This is supposed to be the most amazing part of the South of France. And it was really beautiful.
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It looked gorgeous. That a peek at the website fancy, and they're
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really committed to the arts. It just I said I would send her some prints that I have, drawings that I did while I was there. But she was the lady Wendy who owned it, was very relaxed about it, and they just liked having artists around it. It's part of their vision
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that's lovely, isn't it? No expectation. So you didn't have to write a proposal of what you were going to do while you were there, or anything like that.
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I did write a proposal, but I tried to keep it quite loose, saying what I really wanted to use residency for was not to come up with a specific end product, but I felt duty brown to write that, which, in retrospect, I didn't really need to do. All I wanted to do was start drawing. And by being there, I actually drew every day. After 223, years of watching people on Instagram doing drawing challenges, do you mean drawing from life? Just drawing from life? Yeah, just drawing for just for the love of it, and I haven't done that, I don't know. Could probably say 30 years to just rediscover Drawing Practice and I practice, but you know, just to sit and observe and draw a tree for no reason except that you love looking at it was a revelation. And drawing slowly, I suddenly started to draw anti art club approach. You've got all the time in the world on this tree, and you've got a very sharp to be pencil. Was it a black queen?
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It was a gorgeous god.
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I love doing it. Just drawing like that felt like coming home. Yeah, with no expectation. And then I kept feeling guilty, thinking, I'm not supposed to be doing this. I should be doing the thing I said I would do, which was this map. So I put together a travelling art kit of digital stuff and analogue materials, bloody heavy. And then I got my laptop up, set it all up. I'd got my way compact, lightweight, way compact, but doing a map was like zooming in, zooming out, and it's like, just give me my big old cinema screen. I cannot do this on a laptop. And that led me to finally try procreate. So I've joined you. I finally learned procreate, which was just a revelation. I've only had the iPad for three years and had procreate downloaded. I
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loved it. You were messaging us from on that on our good ship Whatsapp group. So what brushes Shall I get? What the brushes I should find? Yeah, did you try out lots of brushes? I
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bought viv's brushes. The ones great. I love him. If I could load them, they'd probably be quite good. So I need another lesson, how to help load brushes into pro happy
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with that? Will you? Yeah, the milder burger brushes. Oh, they're amazing, by the way. Vivian milder burger, this is completely off topic to tell you about it. I accidentally discovered the other day that she has a brilliant other Instagram account where she lifts massive weight wearing fantastic big like wrestlers pants and boots like a old fashioned wrestler would wear, and she lifts these huge weights. So I already thought she was the coolest woman in the world, and now my mind is just blown. She's incredible. That's
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amazing. Sub niche, isn't it? Illustrator plus weight lifter
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Sarah Dyer does it as well. I think there must be a thing. I think we're gonna have to take it up behind the left
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behind already
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menopause, or women, you've got to build muscle and the you should only be
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doing microphone into it. It was
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hard, in your defence, that's gonna be like 50 kilogrammes of
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anyway. Back to your procreate. Oh yeah, you're enjoying it. Yeah. And
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I just need to get some better brushes. You recommended Joe Stewart drawings, the
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Joel Stewart ones, the vivid and milder burger ones. There's loads of those good ones in the retro Supply Company, retro
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them, too. So anyone's got any recommendations for brushes? But those are all three. I
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like the free one, the studio pen. There's a lot you can do with that. What's that on procreates, it's called studio pen, and it's a lovely round pen, yeah.
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And you can adjust them behind the scenes. You can alter them, and you've gone into the settings. And I
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used to do that in a Photoshop. I thought I was a genius. That was 10 years ago, till everyone else said, now I can make my own brushes. And also. Kyle Stewart, if you're out there, please hurry up and get the procreate brushes downloaded, because that's what I used to use in Photoshop. Webster, is it? Yes. Kyle Webster, sorry, yeah,
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he's probably Joel Stewart, exactly.
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Kyle Webster's going to be doing all the brushes for procreate as he's jumped from Adobe to that. So it was supposed to be out now, but anyway, I
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can't wait to see the work you've been making. Have you made it because you knew it was going to stay private, and did that take the pressure off, or are you going to allow us to look at
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scared
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she's crossed her arms.
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Draw some pictures of the chickens. At the chickens, they're always a joy to draw, aren't you? Yeah, chickens and trees much easier to draw than humans, because it shows when you've got it wrong on a human.
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Nobody knows what chickens should look like,
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and they're so inspiring. So yeah, what I like about not committing to anything at that residency is that you come out doing what you really need, as opposed to what you thought you would sell you on a residency. And some of the application forms for these different places are very demanding, and some of them are really easy. So if you go on to places like artist residency.net, I think it is. I'm going to put all this in a sub stack list, which is another issue, but I'm going to do some resources for different residences you can apply for. But I didn't know there were illustrators residences. I just thought there were fine artists or musicians or sculptors. But when our local Barrick Creative Group, thanks to James at the Maltings, invited a few people like Anna Chapman and Morag, who had done residences before, to talk about them. It was, it really opened my mind and like, yeah, you can just do day residences in your locality. You can travel to them, or you could do it in a museum. You can do ones that you pay for, or ones that you're fully paid for. So there's all these different varieties, but just to say that they are open for illustrators, there's lots of picture book residencies that are for either collaboration with writers or research based just where you want to think up the story and not necessarily leave going, hurrah, I've got a portfolio of stuff. You've just thought it through and you're ready to work. So the
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one day residency that sounds good. I could do a one day one. I love that Katie boom done next. I was
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just thinking six weeks.
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Yeah, six weeks in the south along
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with your residency. This again,
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it could be as long as we wanted, but it was for two and a half weeks in the end. And then, of course, I turned up sick and didn't work for the first week. The Goldilocks
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thing again, isn't it? I want to do one day. Yeah, Tanya's 234, weeks. Yeah, yeah, six weeks
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ahead. It's exactly that. It's our time span. Yeah,
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but I noticed you delicately skimmed over the sub stack thing there, Tanya, you haven't got away with it. Sub stack is
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like, procreate something I've been promising to do the residency. That would be a good idea. But Helen, how am I going to learn how to do a sub stack? Set up my sub stack really simply, from the session you gave in the business course. Was that a like, Here you go. Don't first. Wasn't so much a how
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to of as because that's all kind of in the settings in the background is kind of boring. But if you want a how to I'll sit with you and show you how to write your first one. And what all the settings in the background would you look like?
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Does everyone else want to come as well?
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Should record this? Why not? Because the sub stack thing in the course is more about what you would write about how often you would do it. I talked about my benefits, how to earn money. We talk about money, all of that kind of stuff, but, yeah, there's not a how to do it with all of the different settings in the background, but we could do
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that. You need to give the people what they want. Tania, because somebody yesterday tagged me and Helen in a comment, and they were like, Helen and Katie from Goodship are on substack, but not Tanya yet, I don't think. And I replied saying, Tanya is aloof and mysterious, but mysterious gurus, yeah, making noises like you might do a sub stack.
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I've been ruminating over what would be interesting enough to say, and yeah. And I always think I don't like writing. I prefer talking, so I've started to record them directly.
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That's a brilliant way of doing it. It's brilliant way of doing it. Do you know I've started doing that with friends? Is I'm so sick of typing out into my into my photo, yeah, people that I want to see, my brother, my sister, close friends who don't live near I think you do this. I've just started voice recordings, and sometimes they're as long as a podcast, and they record the same back. And I love it so much. And I was thinking, I should just be doing this for sub stack, because it's such a lovely way to do it without the pressure of putting it through Grammarly and getting all my spelling sorted out and
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and it's also your true voice. Because I think the moment I start writing, I overthink it so much I jump back and forth between sentences, leave all the words, let alone my typos, that's bad enough, but just the reinserting and editing, and in the end, it's just a patchwork quilt of a mess. So it's much. I think it's easier to speak as you find straight in there, and then you'll actually sound like a human being, and not something that you put through chat GPT, because you're over fiddled with it. But one question, would I have to do it every week if I said I was going to do a sub stack?
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No, definitely. I don't make promises about how frequent mine will be, because I don't want that pressure. Because as soon as I give myself that pressure, I rebel against it. Even though I said it, I rebel against myself. Obviously,
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you do post quite consistently, though, I try
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to post almost every Sunday, as opposed to just a chat about what's going on and look forward to
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your Sunday house chat, because I know when I get up on a Sunday morning, have my coffee before everyone's awake. I know I can read Helen's Sunday chat. That's
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why me too. That's what I hope people just think, oh, there's a bit of kind of boring business of a Sunday there. Let's have a look, watch eating for breakfast. It's very low key, but you have
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Sunday house, and then you have picture book. Picture Book
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is every Thursday, but I'm in the middle of a deadline at the moment. I just can't I just can't get my head around it. So I don't promise it, and no one minds. Nobody minds. And if they do, they just leave. And then when I'm back again, and I'm doing it frequently again. People come back, so I'm just happy. It's usually I've got around 150 paid people, and if I don't post for a while, actually, I don't lose many people because they don't notice, yeah, but then I'll post again and they remember me, and they unsubscribe.
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If I post too much, people leave because they're like, oh, being a writer, that
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I don't follow how many people are signed up too closely, because it's not really relevant. People come and go at their and that it's their business, and they must do that. And I do that with other people.
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This is guilt and shame based. So I just want to make sure I'm not going to screw up. No one's going to make me feel guilty. No, as
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long as you don't promise it, just don't promise it. If
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you're going to switch on paid, it doesn't make it a paid thing. Maybe I don't know, I haven't thought about that's the general advice from substack is just switch on paid, and then you don't look and it's on, switch
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on paid right from the start, because there'll be people who would. Just really like to support you and want to buy you a coffee every month, yeah? So you just switch it on. But I made the big area of area of switching mine on right at the start, and not specifying that I don't take that, it's sterling, Pound sterling. And so people were paying me in dollars, and then when I tried to recoup it, I couldn't, no, yeah. So you have to choose what currency want it in. Yeah, or about this
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other thing that I think about, since sub stack has got bigger and bigger, aren't people just I can't deal with another sub stack. Everyone's at it, everyone's got a podcast, everyone's got a sub stack.
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I don't feel like that's the case, because I have a big call. I don't know about you, Katie, but I see how many people are arriving in main box, and when it feels a bit full, I have a bit of a call, yeah, and I only pay for a few at a time, and if I decide to subscribe to a new one and pay for it, I get rid of an old one. So it's up to the person on sub stack, how many people's sub stacks they want to read. So I try not to follow too many. I really carefully select who I want, and I get rid of any that they've been arriving in my inbox, and I find I'm not looking at them. I just unsubscribe.
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No good, solid housekeeping tips. People are overwhelmed, because
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it's just so easy to choose very specifically which ones you want, and on Instagram, it is overwhelming. You just scroll, I follow far too many people, plus Instagram. Suggest people at me all the time. The great thing with sub stack is you very carefully choose who you want in your email box, so you're much more dedicated to hearing that person and the people who follow you specifically want to hear from you. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's
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like inviting people into your house, okay, you could actually come into my email box rather than just the passive consumption of scroll media. Yeah,
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subscribes helped me feel much better about unsubscribes and things like that, because I think I used to be really sensitive, so noticing numbers go down and be like, Oh, when I posted that lots of people left. What am I done? But now I feel like because of that thing, if people are just curating what they listen to, what they like, I feel more like I've got a healthy attitude towards the people who are still subscribed amazing. That's so cool, like they're here and they're really choosing to be there. Yeah? So I don't know. I think yeah, maybe because there have been so many like dips and roller coasters and things,
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do you think it's something that's easier to do than Patreon? Because you see a lot of Patreon burnout, don't you?
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I see more Patreon burnout than sub stack. I think you could, you'd be in danger of getting sub stack if you promised a weekly in depth.
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Yeah, if you've made promises with clear guidelines. I just think
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if you don't set up the promises, too much structure for me, for my kind of brain, I don't want to make that promise, because I'll rebel against it. Whereas if I don't promise very much, I feel great when I'm sending it, because I feel like I am over. They're getting more than they expected.
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And I promise I do hear a
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lot of Patreon people, feeling burnt out, and I always wonder about that, because with Patreon, the more stuff you make, the bigger catalogue you've got. So like, I've not done Patreon, but I would imagine as you go on, there's more and more back catalogue, so you could take the pressure off a bit. But I don't hear people talk about it like that. Yeah, people say I just feel like I need to keep creating. Need to keep creating. But
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I think the thing with sub stack is, if you build up an archive, don't you, and the whole thing with sub stack is it pays creators, so like you're saying you're busy with a book deadline, and sub stacks just chugging along in the background, and you don't have to do anything. And
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I don't mind if people leave. If I'm too busy and I'm not posting anything. I don't mind if they leave. I feel like
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that's how it should be, like it's supporting you, and if you want to do stuff because it feels fun, you do if you don't stuff it, it's fine. People can leave if they don't like it
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does seem that, again, as an outsider, not having used either as a creator, but it does seem that the obligations are different on Patreon, and that's where people are getting tripped up because they feel locked into content provision. Whereas sub stack sounds like my kind of relax,
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people who promise very specific things and quite a lot, but I'm guessing those people that's their full time job. Yeah. Are you all sub stack with the jobs that's very frequent? You've probably got that set up easy to send out. Do you promise? So this
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is the thing I don't actually promise. I just say I'll share jobs. But then, obviously I can't control really how many jobs are coming in. So it's just been the bank holiday, so it's been really quiet. But part of me in the back of my mind was like, oh, there's not been any inquiries to put on the jobs board. This has been a few days, but before the jobs board, I had paid switch on, switched on. And I think there was five people paying, even though I wrote every two months one article that was free anyway. So people do just want to pay, because they want to pay. And I even wrote to these people. I was like, What do you want? Like, why are you paying me? It's really disconcerting. And they're like, I just let you do that's not. Yes,
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yeah, there are people who sign up like that, and there's also you. There are options. People can sign and pay, is it weekly and then monthly, and then for a year subscription? I've forgotten there's different tiers, monthly and yearly, and then founding, because I said founding members are the ones that can pay a really big fee. So you can just put, if you like, to you could pay me 100 pounds, 200 pounds, 300 pounds,
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my founding one as a way of getting a one to one portfolio review. So that's when I really specifically promised something that we're gonna have a one hour session together. Yeah, and I'll look at all your stuff.
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I have to set mine up. So if you do this, you are mad, because I will not be supplying this single thing. And I have no idea whether anybody has actually so maybe you crazy people in there, I don't know,
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hello to Helen's founding members
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who somehow joined just to get told off. Okay, that's part of the next this summer's promise. I
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just want you to put a photo on your because I'm subscribed from you the other day because I thought, why am I following people with no photo on their thing? They're not taking this thought, where's Tanya? So I found you again, but you had no photo. And I thought, oh, that's I got rid of you because you didn't have a photo.
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I thought it was just a listening account and create a kind of thing I just passively sitting on the side here watching what happens. Now I'll go and put a photo for you. That'll be a good start. And then we'll have our meeting, yeah, and we'll record you teaching me, yeah,
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that's gonna be a win. I have to say, I'm not an expert at the behind the scenes stuff. I'll just share what I've figured out.
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That's exactly what I need to know, the bare basics, just enough to get by. You don't
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have to be an expert.
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It's like anything. It's like Photoshop or anything. As long as you know the bits you need that's enough exactly the artist published to it, yeah. Oh, the other thing I was going to say is, because some of it is free to everybody, and some of it is behind the pay wall, if I haven't got time to post some weeks, I just opened something from behind the pay wall. So I just send out a new sub stack to everybody, saying this was behind a pay wall, but I'm making it free to everybody now, just so there's an extra way of making content if I've got a deadline, yeah, just to open the gates for everybody. What's your favourite sub stack that you receive? Well, what I follow this one called one word. This guy chooses one word every month, and he makes a film about it. And they're always really good subjects, like one was video, and he had a really lovely wandering chat about the videos that his dad used to take of him when he was a little boy. And it was just a chat about his memories of his dad with lots of this lovely old 1980s video recording. Then it then he decided to visit the last remaining video rental blockbuster store in the US. It's only one. I don't know why it's still called blockbusters. I've forgotten, but it maybe was the last blockbusters. Maybe it's changed its name. Now he went to visit this guy, and it still runs this video rental shop, and it's massive, wow. But the guy was just like, it's about community. I have nice people who come in here are like, chatting to them, and he's telling us all about the gorgeousness of videos and why rent him from a shop you've just got a tiny selection. You've maybe rented it 10 times before, but you take it again just because of the comfort factor. And he's my favourite. He's called one word. Wow, yeah, what an elemental
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idea. I love the simplicity of it. Yeah, it's like kind of early hashtag challenges or something, isn't it? Just, I will take this one word and this will be my response, and
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it's always a personal response. It's really interesting. I also like garbage day, who we've talked yeah, sometimes I like garbage day explains the Internet to a person in her 50s who knows a way around a bit, but really loves to hear about all the weird stuff going on in the internet that I never see.
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It's become obviously much more political now, because it's from the US, so it's Liz looking at, dig at the Internet, digital iterations of it, and how politics mixes up with it, which you can only stand for a few weeks. Do you think I'll come back in six months or so,
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down into a couple of paragraphs, though, so I can get my head around it? Yeah, I really like that. It does a lot about AI and weird phenomenon my
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brain, my brain has just bunched these together to come up with what I think is a genius idea. Can I try it out on you? Yeah? Please. It's a draw hashtag, drawing challenge, yeah, based on what three words. Ooh. So you know those crazy addresses you get where they just bunch, you know the what three words, and it tells you, if you're in a field, your location is named by porridge motorbike grammar, yeah, and that will be your what three words, yeah. So you could do imagery based on what three
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go somewhere and find the words, yeah. This is a nice spot. What words is this? What bizarre
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high Q has, what three words come with? For me,
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really? Like it. When you're typing on your phone and it predicts what word you're going to say next. I love it. I love that so much, and I have loads of fun just letting it predict until I've got a paragraph of crazy predicted. I always think there must be a way of using this.
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We could do a podcast using it.
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It's just brilliant. I love it
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as well. Yeah, oh,
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I'm just gonna have to retro, retrospectively, slap a copyright on my what three words, hashtag. If anyone does that, I'll find you. We'll all find you, hunt you down, just wait on it, and we'll launch we'll see weight lifting. By then,
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I'm really disappointed about the one word thing, because I was getting excited that somebody just sends you a message with one word. I'd be like, what's the word this week? Email me lampshade.
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I'd be happy with that. Would you just draw it and send them a
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picture? Not even that reminds me of that fantastic podcast I got into with Harry hill. It was just noises. It was just noise. It was just like, it's just like, I will be here. I'll be I'm gonna press record while I'm working in my office or on my drive somewhere, and at some point during this podcast, I will make a noise. An hour could go by of me just listening.
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We got the noise.
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Listen to the end, just in case
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nothing else happened. Brilliant. I loved it should have
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been called that Scottish thing. You'll have had your noise.
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What we did waste our time answering questions and talking. We could just be I love these ideas.
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Katie, what's your favourite sub stack? In an attempt to stay on track,
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I'll subscribe to so many. But I think if there's any, my mind's just gone blank. Do
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you subscribe to our good shipper, Tara, yes.
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Tara, Tara Ford tea, yes. I love hers. She has
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like a, I'm really sorry, we'll remember, and we'll put it in the tech and underneath the podcast. But she it's like a kind of visual diary comic strip, but sometimes just one image with a bit of writing, sometimes a few. Her drawings are really lovely and her observations are just brilliant. Usually something that's gone on this week. She did one where she imagined herself as was it different? Dinosaurs. So there were some portraits as either extinct animals or dinosaurs. It was so funny. Yeah, they're good. I really like her.
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I'm gonna make Adam Ming's like, maybe I don't subscribe to his posts. I don't see them in my inbox, but I do see his notes, and I really like them.
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They pop up. Yeah? He chats about illustration every day he's on it. Yeah,
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I think I find that so inspiring, like, how consistently every day it scares
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me. It makes me feel like he's doing it really well. I'll just
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avoid that. You find it inspiring. I'm like, Oh, I'm a complete alien. I can't look that. Man makes me feel disaster.
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How counterproductive. There is a fine line, isn't it, between inspiration and devastation.
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I like to Freeman. Oh yeah, she makes me laugh so much. She's brilliant. I don't know much about it. I just know that her sub stacks, a little sort of cartoon sequences, Tales of a comic middle aged lady, yeah, and the weird things that happened. And her humour is so good, and it comes through the pictures so well,
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yeah, she flies her freak flag. There's
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something else I follow like that. Who's a comic artist. She does drawings about, like, motherhood, and is in, like, The New Yorker and stuff.
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I don't know. I can't remember her name. I don't know. I don't, I'm not sure follow this
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person. It's nearly there. It's like, just
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behind a COVID news. Gonna be great, though.
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And if you get really worried, just do the one word idea, yeah,
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all right, I could alternate, couldn't I, which would give me a breather. I think he was at a Carson Ellis, though, always such a lovely she's so relaxed in it about her work and her life. I really
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love he's a picture book maker. Bob shenanigans. Bob Shea. He writes one called Bob shenanigans, and it's absolutely brilliant. It's such dry, fantastic humour. One was all about how he milks children for their ideas, and it was written so dry. It was absolutely brilliant. I really recommend following him. Have
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you given a good list? Have you just remembered 1k? Do you look like
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just touched my microphone off the table and now you've got to hold it. Now we've
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got 20 more minutes of this. Don't be making texts like, I want to
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say something really pertinent, but I'm actually just
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holding place to end it before Katie gets cramp in her wrist. Yeah,
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we didn't go back to the residencies. Did we talk about everything we wanted to about your residency? That was
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to tease them, because your sub stack is going to be so incredible.
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I'm in the tube now, aren't I? By saying this, I'm actually committed. Okay, I'm good, no
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pressure, but you have to do it when I
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get the lesson off Helen, and then it will be forthcoming with specific names for places that love illustrators, and would give you a residency, but yeah, it's just great to slow down your drawing, open your mind, relax, find out what You really want to do. Lovely, yeah. Bye, okay. Bye.
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