CORY RICHARDS: From Everest to Enlightenment | EPISODE 19

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There's a place inside you that is always at peace, always at rest.
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But ultimately, that external validation will never, ever, ever sustain you.
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It will never give you what you're actually looking for.
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So the system that we've created is upsetting to me because it's making us more sick.
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You have to love yourself fully before you can love somebody else truly.
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What a bunch of fucking bullshit.
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There is no hope without fear.
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Um, there is no pride without shame, and they rely on each other in these ways.
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We cannot fundamentally be outside of nature.
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So when we look around, we can default to that.
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This is all fucking stardust and a collection of atoms cascading over each other.
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We are at season four, shooting today at the 405 motoring.
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Very cool location.
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You might hear some planes, you might hear some cars driving.
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So you guys will feel part of the set and having this immersive experience.
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And today I have a very special guest that I was very, very looking forward to interviews, Corey Richards over here.
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Corey, welcome to the basic show.
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Thanks for having me.
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So Corey is an award-winning, world-known National Geographic photographer, filmmaker, writer.
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Um, I probably would call you um a restless spirit.
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Yeah, a restless spirit.
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I'll take that.
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We'll take that.
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I feel like your spirit never rests, and you always test yourself and chase um chaos, I don't know, chase adventure, which we're gonna talk about today on this episode.
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Welcome.
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Thanks.
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Thanks.
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This is great.
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This is uh a totally unique, different environment than I've ever done a podcast.
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Wow, it's a it's really cool, right?
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It's an honor.
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And it was actually accidentally how things came along, but you know, I believe accidents do not happen.
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Accidents happen for a reason.
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Do you do you actually believe in accidents?
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I do believe in accidents.
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Some d some accidents could be divine, some accidents could be just accidents.
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Yeah.
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I don't like to overthink that.
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What do you what do you what do you believe?
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I don't I I used to believe in accidents, but now well, A, I don't want to overcomplicate it either, but I I kind of don't believe in accidents anymore.
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In the same way I don't believe in timing.
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We always say, like, oh, the timing was no, the timing was exactly what it was, and that's it.
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Instead of like the timing didn't agree with what we wanted, that's a different thing.
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But timing is always on time.
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So I just don't believe like But see, accidents wouldn't happen if you don't do anything.
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You have to do something for the accidents to happen.
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Yeah.
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If you just sit around in the house, I don't believe accidents, I mean, your house may lick.
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Yeah.
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Or your house, you know, something might happen to your house, but life-wise, nothing's gonna happen.
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So you have to put yourself intentionally, uh unintentionally in certain situations for the accidents to happen.
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For sure.
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So you have to be active.
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I mean, in my mind, yeah, yeah.
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I just wonder if it's more they're just uh it is literally just life happening, and accidents are are because I guess accident implies something, maybe there's a negative connotation in my head.
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I don't know.
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Well, look how we met, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I know Xenia.
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Yeah, we known each other for nine years.
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She heard about my podcast and she said, you know what?
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I just yesterday literally made this incredible guy, Corey Richards, and I'm sorry, I didn't know much about you because I'm from a degree.
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Why would you?
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Yeah.
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I mean, you you're famous, right?
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I don't know about that.
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Well, for our for our viewers and listeners, Corey is the first American who summits the Everest without supplement of oxygen, right?
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So I I I've summited Everest without supplemental oxygen.
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About 200 people have done that.
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I'm the first and only American to climb one of the high the world's highest peaks in winter called Gashabram II.
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Gotcha.
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Okay.
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So that's in Pakistan.
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But yes, both are true.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So hey, uh these are the facts I have, but thank you for clarifying.
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So what was the mountain in Pakistan?
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It's called Gashabram II.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So so in the world, there are 14 peaks that are above 8,000 meters.
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So above 26,240 feet.
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And uh nine of them are in Nepal, eight of them in Nepal, uh Tibet, one in India, and then five of them are in Pakistan.
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And all of those in the southern area had been climbed in winter, but the five in Pakistan never had, and we went uh in 2010-11, the winter, and and managed to do the first winter ascent, which is basically just stupid.
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So when you say we, who was with you?
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I was with an Italian climber named Simone Moro.
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Okay.
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Uh, and a uh Russian-born Khazet climber named Denis Rutko.
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Uh, and it was just the three of us.
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Okay.
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When you said we, I thought maybe you and your other personalities.
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Yeah.
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I'm like, me, myself, and I.
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You know, like who are we?
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That's amazing.
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That's in the room right now.
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Yeah, me and my other schizophrenic personalities.
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Yeah.
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So speaking of that, you know, you have I mean, I'm jumping from topic to topic, but I guess that's how I speak.
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So you wrote two books, right?
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One of them is called Bipolar.
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Yeah.
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So can you share about how that book came across and how it is connected with uh your uh your life?
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Yeah, so uh I I grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah, and um I in my adolescence my life sort of derailed in a really fantastic, fucked up way.
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And I ended up being institutionalized and being put in long-term care facilities, and then I ended up most like homeless, but usually not on the street, but there were times where I was on the street.
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Um and in that that period I was diagnosed with bipolar, uh bipolar two.
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And so that that narrative and that diagnosis has really informed and colored a lot of my life.
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Um and for a long time I I leaned into it as sort of a narrative of brokenness and something was fundamentally flawed with my mind.
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Um and I think that's one of the things that we do with mental health is we we uh we sort of buy into a story of fundamental deficit or or that something is inherently wrong with us, and I actually don't I don't believe that anymore.
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But the book title, Bipolar, um is is the title of my photo book, and I realized as I was putting it together that uh I had photographed from the Arctic to Antarctica.
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Right, right.
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So I had photographed both poles, and then rather than organizing the photo book with uh in terms of geographic location, I organized it in terms of emotional polarities.
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Wow.
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To explore, like, look, there is no hope without fear.
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Um, there is no pride without shame, and they rely on each other in these ways.
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Uh and and then I put the stories from my work in into those categories.
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Right.
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You kind of also played on the semantics, so you had by uh hyphen polar.
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Yeah.
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And the I mean I haven't seen the book, but I've seen some of the pictures.
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One of them was the polar bear.
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Yeah.
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It was incredible, and I and I saw bipolar, I'm like, okay, it's actually very smart.
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Yeah, you came up with the name, it's you know, double meaning, the double entendre.
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It's funny too, because the other book, they're really I talk about them, they're they're basically the same book.
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Okay.
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And the other one is ironically called the color of everything.
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Okay.
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So it's not black and white.
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Uh-huh.
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In fact, it explores the fact that the world doesn't exist.
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There are no black and whites in the world, it's all shades of gray.
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And and yet, and and also like the cover of bipolar is black.
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The cover of the color of everything is white, and one is the external expression of the the art that that the mind created and the heart created, and then the other is the internal exploration that was driving it.
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So they're actually they're the same fucking book.
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Well, because it's you, right?
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I mean, it's you.
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I mean, you cannot come out something outside of your own mind.
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Yeah.
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Wow, that's incredible.
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So these two books, uh, but correct me if I'm wrong, the second book, the bipolar, are you sharing your own thoughts, uh accompanying by the photographs?
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There are yeah, a little bit.
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A little bit, yeah.
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Yeah, it's more introductions to each story that kind of place you in the world.
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Yeah.
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Um, but really the the the thoughts and the depth of the sort of the fucked up path and the beautiful path is really in the color of everything.
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So, how did you even come up with that?
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I mean, like you said, having such background and previous experience, right, and facing so many challenges, you know, physical, emotional, health-wise, how did you even get to the point that, you know, you're not just an adventurer, you actually want and you philosophize so well, you know, you put in words such beautifully your emotions and your thoughts.
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Not everybody can do that.
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So anything that helped you to form, you know, your idea of life and be able to express yourself through art and through words, how did you come along?
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I think, you know, I dropped out of high school partly because I think I was bored.
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I don't think our education system works for everybody, especially very active minds.
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And so what I would say is that it's not an inherent, and and you didn't even say this, but I I people it's not a gift.
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It's it's just that I'm curious.
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And I think the more curious we are, the more informed we become, and the more varied our ideas about the world become.
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And it's actually challenging because when we're not curious, we're very certain about things.
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And when we get curious, we're challenged to let go of that certainty, which is very uncomfortable.
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Um, and so I think the articulation of these things has just it's come through practice more than anything else, where I'm where I'm literally just trying to sort through my own fucking crazy thoughts and figure out how do I express this?
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Because it needs to come out of me, even if nobody's listening, and it has to be expressed, right?
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So, um So what are you expecting in return, right?
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When you express yourself?
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Are you expecting, you know, recognition, you know, you want to establish yourself and be heard?
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Like what are you expecting when you put your art out there?
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Why are you doing this?
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What a beautiful fucking oh, I love that question.
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For a long time, I think it was validation because I carried a story of flaw.
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I thought, you know, this this the story that I had learned about myself was something was wrong with me and wrong with my mind, um, and that my mind was dangerous, you know.
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You know, I feel like, sorry to interrupt you, but I feel people who actually there's something wrong with them, they never would admit it.
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By you acknowledging it.
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There's a lot wrong with me.
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I feel like I don't know, not many people will admit it.
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They will never admit ignorance, they will never admit there's something wrong with them.
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Yeah.
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But you have that next level of wisdom, right?
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You I don't know if you're overthinking.
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I probably I overthink everything.
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Um I think I, you know, I early on it really was deeply about validation, and and I wanted to be recognized because I wanted specifically coming from the place of I don't feel valuable, you know, especially when you're you're put in institutions and you're it you're treated in a very specific way.
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It's from the best intentions, usually.
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People want to help, but that's not what gets translated to you, especially as you're forming your thoughts about yourself and you're forming your identity.
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So for a long time it was about validation, but but the way I've shifted that is to make it an act of service.
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So it really, I try not to make it ever about me, but rather offering my experience so that others might feel less alone in theirs.
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And I think that is the power of storytelling.
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That's why we tell stories, is to invite other people into a more comprehensive and hopefully more compassionate understanding of themselves and all of our messiness and all of our contradictions and all of our hypocrisies and all of the cataclysmic mistakes we make and the ways we hurt other people.
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Because if we can be honest about that, then when those things happen to us or we see other people doing it, we can have more compassion for them.
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So that's it's an act of service.
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That's all art is.
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I think art is first of all, I don't believe that people are necessarily artists.
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I think we are all antennas into the same sort of universal consciousness, and we're all tuned slightly differently.
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And all art is is the expression of whether you want to call it source energy, love, universal consciousness.
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It is just being expressed individually through that person.
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And so I don't necessarily believe it comes from pain.
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I think it's all one thing being expressed differently.
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I have like millions of questions from what you just said.
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I'm like, wow, first of all, so okay, let's go back bit by bit to dissect your mind a little bit.
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So please help me understand myself.
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Right.
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Okay, so you were looking initially for that validation, saying, you know what?
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I'm gonna do the craziest thing in the world that maybe like 1% of men are capable of.
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Yeah.
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Once you achieve that validation, right?
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The global recognition, you've been recognized, you know, you have so many interviews and podcasts and magazine covers.
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How do you feel?
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Did it make you happy after you achieved that validation that was initially your goal?
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Well, yeah, I mean, definitely it makes you happy.
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Because look, the basic, the basic, one of the the most basic.
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Yes.
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Can I say basic three times in a row?
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Okay, more basic about the basics.
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Basic, basic, basic.
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The basic element of survival is social acceptance.
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Because we're a social animal, right?
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So there's something very natural about wanting to be validated by by your peers and culture and and everybody around you, right?
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That's totally okay.
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And seeking that to some degree ensures survival.
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And that's that's a beautiful piece of us, right?
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So when it gets extended, well, my experience was when it gets extended further and further and further into fame, and I don't think I was ever famous, but in small circles I was well known.
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You're very humble.
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Um so when it gets extended that way, what's interesting is there's an inverse value add because you're so you're already recognized, so you have to be more and more and more recognized to get the same charge.
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But ultimately, that external validation will never, ever, ever sustain you.
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And and and it's and it's uh it will never give you what you're actually looking for.
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I love that.
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Which is internal wholeness.
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Likewise, I don't believe that we're ever entirely uh we've never t entirely arrived.
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What do you mean?
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Meaning we are always all whole, no matter where we are.
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Okay.
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It's a it's a self-perception that something is missing.
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But nothing ever is missing.
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If we default far enough into ourselves, if we can fold inside out, there's a and I'm gonna quote uh a woman named Elena Brower, who's amazing.
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Look her up.
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She she starts this meditation by saying there's a place inside you that is always at peace, always at rest.
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And she goes on to explain that when we when we operate from that place, we become peace.
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We're not expressing peace, we are peace.
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And my my understanding is that that place is always there.
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It w we're not cracked.
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There's there is something in us that is unbreakable.
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And all is all that we're being asked to do through this whole experience is find it and get closer and closer.
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And the irony is you don't even have to find it.
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Once you touch it, you realize it was never lost to begin with.
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Oh my god, I have goosebumps.
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I don't want to start another huge topic, but I'm really into it.
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I'm sweating and so hot in here.
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It is, but you know, that's why our brain works a little bit more intense.
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Listen, I'm all about the secrets of the universe.
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And I don't know if I'm gonna say it correctly, if I'm gonna put it nicely in words, but what you just said resonated with me because I do believe that we're always looking for that source, for that power, but we don't realize it's always within us.
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We are that inductor, right?
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We are that energy, and sometimes we're looking, like you said, for the external validation for external power, you know, either it's religion or either it's an idol, right?
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Or we worship somebody, but at the same time, we forget that all the power we need is within, right?
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And I'm not sure if I said it beautifully as I had it in my mind, but what you just told me, I feel it takes time and personal obstacles to get to that point.
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So, what was that point in your experience in your life that you came to that realization?
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Well, look, it's a realization that I I feel like I have to rediscover all the time.
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Especially, I mean, look, the culture we live in in LA, it it is so easy to get lost in what we're supposed to be like.
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You know, we're we're surrounded by a culture of opulence and and we think that we're being very unique when in fact most of us are just trying to fit into a box that's been prescribed.
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That's why we idolize fame, right?
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We're really what we're looking at is something we want for ourselves.
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That's well, fame is like what you said, isn't it?
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The part of being recognized and being accepted.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know?
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So it so I mean I guess to answer your question, yeah.
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Like, I don't know that it's a point that I've arrived at.
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It's a point that I keep arriving at, and I have to remind it's like going to the gym.
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And the more you touch that space, the the shorter the distance or the shorter the time between those experiences, and the more you can shorten those gaps, the more you're living from that elemental core, fundamental piece that exists.
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But that doesn't mean I don't get ridiculously triggered and angry and pissed off.
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So what makes you angry?
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Oh fuck.
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Besides being hot right now.
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Um what sets you off?
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Is it certain, yeah.
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I'm not gonna give you hints, but well, there's the there's the little things.
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There's, you know, people who this is one thing that actually pisses me off.
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People people in airports or in public looking at their phones that have no spatial awareness of anything that's going on around them.
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I I'm I'm just like, look up.
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Um in and in I I can go further back and I just feel like it's a little sad.
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No, can I comment on that?
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Speaking of that, I think it's I think it's an annoying issue for most of the people who are self-aware.
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I remember one time I interviewed um an actress, she was a Lat I'm originally from Latvia, so Latvian actress, and she told me in acting school, they teach them to act, even to see with the back of their head.
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Yeah.
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So when you are in a public or social space, you're not only aware of your environment, but you also kind of see what's happening in the world.
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Your periphery.
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Right.
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So I mean, I totally get you, right?
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Especially I'm sure you've been to hundreds of airports all over the world, and you can see the humanity at its finest.
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Well, and it also, you know, it's kind of there's a I I forget who said it.
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It might have been the Dalai Lama.
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Or maybe it's like once you think you're enlightened, go spend a week with your family.
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And it's kind of the same thing.
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Once you think, once you think you're enlightened, go spend an hour in traffic in LA.
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You know, like so there's the little things that piss me off.
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I think more globally, the things that upset me are uh the insistence, the cultural insistence that everything is fucked.
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Meaning everything is broken and everything is bad.
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And look, we live in a very, very tumultuous period in history.
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And at the same time, it's different but the same.
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Meaning we've we've always lived at the fastest moment in history.
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That's the I mean if you look back in history, do you think our time is I think our time is the best.
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Well, in by many metrics it is.
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Not many lived past 30 years old.
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Yeah, I mean executions, public executions, like burning witches.
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Right, we're burning witches.
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I mean, come on.
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I feel like nowadays could be the best time.
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Depends how you see it, right?
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You could probably see the worst, which I guess we are living in a messed up time.
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But at the same time, what do we compare it to?
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I mean, if we compare it to Atlantis, you know, I'm thinking, wow, okay, we are the lowest, you know, uh version of civilization.
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I believe we could be or were way more civilized and advanced, you know, hundreds of thousands of millions of years before now.
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So I I give you a point.
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Well, I mean, here's the thing language is only a hundred thousand years old.
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We've been around for 300,000 years.
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Modern language, I'm best guessed, right, debatable.
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We've been around for in for the infinite, you know, right totality of time and space.
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But um, but we as modern humans, uh, to the best of our knowledge, have been around for about 300,000 years, and language has only been sort of evolving for about 100 to 115,000.
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So over the course of that, look at what we've created, and most of it is actually really phenomenal.
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And it's taken terrible things to get there, unquestionably.
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And I'm not I'm not saying that you know, racism and xenophobia and slavery are like are like sh should be ignored.
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I'm just saying, in general, the time we live in now is really marvelous.
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It's the most peaceful, right?
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We have the most comfort, we have the most access.
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It's it's really, really special.
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But but what back to the original question, what upsets me is the cultural narrative that we're fed on Instagram, that we're fed through a 24-hour news cycle, that everything is falling apart.
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Those those modalities of delivering information feed on our fear and they feed on drama and they feed on dopamine.
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And when we start doom scrolling, we become convinced, because all we're getting is negative information and the occasional cat video.
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We we're convinced that everything's bad.
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And what that does is it forces us into our sympathetic nervous system, and we all start to live in fight or flight, and so we're reactionary.
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We when we're when we're in survival, we have no values, we're just trying to survive.
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And so the system that we've created is upsetting to me because it's making us more sick.
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When we live in our sympathetic nervous system, it becomes an unsustainable way of living.
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We get angry, we have chronic inflammation, which causes chronic disease, and and and it's and that that upsets me because we don't need to live in.
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Right?
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The way you put it.
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No, it is.
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And the thing is, like, you're absolutely right, you're getting that quick dopamine, right?
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It feels for this five minutes.
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I mean, for some people, some people scroll for four, seven hours total a day, which is scary, right?
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You get that quick dopamine, but at the end of the day, you haven't achieved anything for your life.
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You haven't lived those experiences.
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And you're scared and upset.
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You're scared and upset.
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And there's nothing, I mean, I can't I hate saying like nothing we can do about it, right?
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But imagine tomorrow, let's say hypothetical, the internet goes down.
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Right.
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What would be your day?
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The same day I live today.
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Okay, you're different.
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You know, like you spend like most of your time amongst the beautiful, you know, I mean, I I I don't, but I I two two things that I want to say to that.
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That first of all, it's feeding itself, right?
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Because what happens is we're we're then we're tr we're always triggered.
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We're living, so we want to zone out.
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So we look for a pacifier.
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And guess what the pacifier is?
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More scrolling.
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Right?
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So we're actually it's kind of like the thing that's making us sick is the thing that we think that at least momentarily takes us out of that panic.
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And and to the second point, like, what did I do this morning?
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And this is not every day, right?
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Like, I do go down the rabbit hole at times, and I realize how upset it makes me.
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But I get up at six, I meditate for 20 minutes, I walk to get my coffee, I come home, I journal, I read, and then I go to the gym, and then I do my emails, and then like it's very basic shit.
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It's just for you, but it's creating the space to not be on the phone.
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I guess you have to have a certain level of personal disciplines and personal responsibility.
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Right.
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Because to me, I need to learn from you.
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The first thing I wake up is scroll on my phone, I check text and emails.
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Right.
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And I remember my close friend, she put in a perspective for me that I didn't even think about.
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She said, Victoria, imagine when you open up your phone in your bedroom, you're inviting all of these people in your bedroom right now.
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In this second, they're there with you.
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You don't have the time for your personal space.
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Like you said, you meditate, you know, you maybe take an easy morning, right?
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Or do something, you know, with your kids, with your family, with your pets.
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Um, what would be your advice for those who realize they're stuck in that matrix, right?
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What would be the advice for you to maybe first step for the people to take to get out of it and take that personal discipl personal responsibility to make a change and not be on the phone?
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Well, I think it's thank you for asking that question.
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The first step is this realize how it makes you feel.
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Like check in with yourself.
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Do you actually feel good scrolling on your phone?
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Yes, the dopamine feels, but does it actually make you feel good?
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Or are you in that sort of fighting?
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You're you're you're you're watching content that either reinforces the ideas you already have or it pisses you off.
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Or it's just mindless.
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Pay attention to how your nervous system feels when you finally go, ugh, and you throw down your phone because you're so sick of it.
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That's where everybody gets.
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So just key into your nervous system.
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How do you feel?
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And my guess is that most of us don't feel very good.
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Then memorize that feeling.
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Memorize the feeling of disgust that you have.
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Memorize that, and so that every time you reach for it, you can recall what it feels like.
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And then slowly expand the time that it takes.
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Every time you reach for your phone, even if you just pause for a second, give yourself that pause and ask the question do I want to feel that way again?
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I would maybe add to it and from my perspective, and say, remember what makes you feel good, right?
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And people don't I feel they don't even know what it means for them to feel good.
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Yeah.
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And I feel personally, I've been so busy working on different projects, and I realized, you know what, what is the thing that actually made me happy?
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Yeah.
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Like truly, truly happy.
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Not excited, like, hey, I went out or Disney.
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And I remember the first feeling and emotion that came into my head that I was driving a um riding a bicycle in um in the park, and there was one piece of a shaded area um surrounded by two mountains, and then I felt the fresh air in that very specific um uh part on the road.
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I don't know how it's perfect to say, right?
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And it was just five seconds, and I felt so free, and I felt so amazing.
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The freedom me driving a bicycle, because I also have the beautiful memories I spent with my grandmother, yeah, right, when I was a kid, and that's what we did.
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We drove a bicycle near the lake, and we were so free, we didn't care about anything.
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And I remembered, oh my god, when was the last time I had this feeling?
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And that feeling was so far away, and made me think, and you making me think that we are distracted so much on a daily basis with bad things, negative things that are happening all over the world, that we sometimes forget what does it even feel to feel?
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What does it even make you feel and experience and have and creating those memories?
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So, what I would add to what you just said, if you remembering that bad feeling, yeah, try to realize and remember that good feeling how you can recreate it again.
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Absolutely, or how can you find another way to make you feel that way again?
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100%, and I'm s that is such a beautiful addition.
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Truly it is, because it's like memorize the good feeling as well.
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Right.
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And memorize how you got there.
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Yeah.
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Um because the thing is sometimes we're stuck, right?
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And we're stuck in the routine.
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Right.
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You have your routine, you have your schedule, you have your work, you have responsibilities, you have built bills to pay, right?
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You have life to live.
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Life to live, right?
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And then we forget those little moments, and then we're looking back, oh my God, this year is almost over.
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I talk to my friends, like, oh my god, it's almost Christmas.
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And they realize, okay, what have they done this past year that's almost over?
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And life goes by so fast, and then we forget to create this beautiful moment.
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So if we live with intention and if we live with purpose, we realize, okay, what can I do or what can I do to start planning my life the way I want to live it, and not just flow go with the flow and just be stuck in this never-ending, you know, news, um, I don't know, dump that is being thrown on us every day.
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It's it's the news, it's dating apps, it's social media, it's like it's it's candy.
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And and we just, especially in LA, uh we live in a cultural narrative that suggests that happiness is in acquisition, that happiness is in opulence, wealth, sex, power, and fame.
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And fashion.
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And fashion.
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Let's leave fake.
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I love fashion, right?
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Love me some fashion.
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Um but it but you're right, there's there's a piece of there's a component to that.
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Uh, and even I mean, I'm not calling it out, but even sitting in front of this bike, right?
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This symbolizes something.
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And that's okay.
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It's not what it symbolizes that's that's bad.
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It's it's our unquenchable thirst to be a part of something that that we've idolized without questioning its its core, it's the driver within us that wants it.
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It's actually amazing what you just said, because we never invest truly in spirituality, in our mental health.
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I mean, for some, mental health is like, okay, I'm gonna take a bath and read a book, I'm gonna go to a spa, right?
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Right.
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But what you said is to me is finding and investing in your spiritual self outside of chasing material things, right?
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Right.
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The things don't define you.
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And if you put away the quote that things don't define you, so what does define you as a human, right?
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What defines you as a human, Corey?
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Well, I would I would rephrase this.
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I'm gonna throw it back at you.
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Yeah, can you boil your purpose down to a single word?
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It's very interesting you asked me that because I had an episode that hasn't released yet with my sister, and our whole episode was based on your purpose of life.
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Yeah.
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My sister advocates a lot for finding your purpose in life because that A defines your circle of friends, defines your relationship, defines your hobbies, defines your career.
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And I keep asking myself this question for many years: what is my purpose?
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And I've been researching and searching it, and if I have to define it, if I have to put it in one word.
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One word.
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I don't know if it's correct.
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Difference, make it it's not one word.
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I do want to make a difference in people's lives.
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Oh, you know what?
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.079
No, let me scratch that.
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One word, inspiration.
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Inspiration, great.
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.559
Okay, that is I found my life purpose.
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:38.559
Yeah, I mean, truly, I think one of the things, the reason I asked that is because we're we're constantly sold uh a narrative of find your passion and the money will follow.
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And that is true to some degree, right?
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But really, I think what it what it boils down to is finding, if we can define our purpose in one word, um, then we can always orient ourselves on whether or not what we're doing and our what our behavior is that in alignment with our purpose, right?
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So for me, I would say my purpose is compassion.
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For a long time, I would say, oh, it's storytelling.
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:16.480
And and I have a dear friend, Kenny Kane, who said, Corey, that's an extension of purpose.
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.559
What you do is not your purpose, it's an extension of your purpose.
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:31.920
So I use storytelling to amplify and invite and hopefully generate more compassion globally, right?
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:40.000
Or like, I mean, not I don't mean globally like in the world, I mean globally in the sense of around the totality of my life, right?
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.880
And so inspiration is a beautiful thing.
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.000
That is your purpose.
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:49.840
So you do different things to inspire people to then act differently.
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:50.480
That's beautiful.
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.159
Oh, I found my purpose today.
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:53.039
Isn't that cool?
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:56.159
It is freaking amazing, and being able to just baseline.
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.000
I've been thinking about it for a long time.
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.800
I've been asked AI, and it gave me a bunch of bullshit.
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:01.599
Yeah.
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:03.519
It's so weird, right?
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.719
You know, talking to a real human, I found my purpose.
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:07.679
This is amazing.
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.840
So, guys, ask yourself what Corey suggests.
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.800
In one word, try to find what is your purpose.
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.519
And it won't find it, won't be a verb.
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:21.679
You know, like your purpose could be love, right?
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:23.039
But not loving.
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:25.679
That is an extension of your purpose.
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:27.440
It won't be a verb.
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:37.519
It'll be a it'll be so much simpler than that, but it's so much more complicated, but beautiful because then it informs and guides every single thing you do.
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:40.480
Is this in service of my purpose?
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:50.000
When you're scrolling on Instagram watching conspiracy theories, you can just say, Is this in service of my purpose?
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.719
I almost guarantee it's not.
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.519
You know, don't get me started on that.
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:55.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:58.239
About the aliens.
00:37:58.400 --> 00:37:59.199
We're all aliens.
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:00.000
We're lizard people.
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:00.719
Didn't you know that?
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:03.679
Oh my god, there's so many.
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:04.239
Pick one.
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:05.039
Yeah, yeah, I know.
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:06.320
Jesus, there's a fly too.
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:06.639
I know.
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:13.119
This fly, you know, is she's been here since yesterday, and she's very attracted to interesting people.
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.000
Well, you know what?
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.079
I it's a good I don't need to waver away.
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:17.039
She can just be on me.
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:17.920
I love it, I love it.
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:18.320
It's great.
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.199
She she feels who is uh who's the most interesting person.
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.679
By the way, she probably is attracted to your jacket.
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.239
Or the way I smell because of the heat.
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:34.239
Hey, we're hey, don't get me don't mention that because I'm all covered here, you know, put to put to head in leather.
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.639
But you know, everything everything is for fashion.
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:37.519
Yeah, everything for fashion.
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:38.159
And you look great.
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:39.199
You look fabulous.
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:40.400
You look amazing too.
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.119
Uh backstage, you mentioned and um a few interesting things about your jacket.
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:45.440
Yeah.
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:46.800
Can you tell me what is this jacket?
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:53.920
Is it a is it a true well it's so it's modeled after a vintage sort of motor racing jacket.
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:58.159
Um and I did I was at an event in Aspen.
00:38:58.400 --> 00:38:58.719
Yeah.
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:07.920
Uh it was an ice racing event where they where they bring these incredible vintage cars, cars that like uh I mean it was unbelievable.
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.320
And then they race around this icy racetrack.
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:10.639
Uh-huh.
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.960
And it was the this historical event happened in Austria in Salemse.
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:22.800
And so um Fur uh Ferdi, I think is his name, Porsche, uh puts on this event.
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.239
And so um it's actually from a moto event.
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:27.360
Um, yeah.
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:28.880
Sorry, what does it say?
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:30.159
Uh F-A-T turbo.
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.760
F A T turbo fat well, fat turbo, and I forget what that stands for.
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.079
I mean, it suits you really well, plus it looks like it belongs in the set.
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:38.960
Yeah, it does, actually.
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:40.559
The red and red, like as if you knew.
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:40.960
Right?
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.719
The red and the red and it's like, it's all working.
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:45.360
I love it.
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.639
So listen, Corey, I have another question in the back of my mind.
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:53.599
You spend, I mean, for my understanding, most of your time in nature.
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:54.159
Yeah.
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:03.199
When you come back to the society, to the people, where do you feel most at home?
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:10.960
With the people I love.
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.719
It isn't an environment necessarily.
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.119
Certainly there are places where I feel at peace.
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:23.519
There are there are geographic locations where I feel most at peace.
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.039
And uh two come to mind, there's uh Mustang on the border of Nepal and Tibet.
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:33.519
For whatever reason, I feel so deeply connected to that place.
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:34.480
Mustang?
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:35.199
Mustang.
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.679
It's spelled Mustang, but it's pronounced Mustang.
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.639
Do you have to be the chosen one to visit the place?
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:50.639
No, but but it is you you do have to uh it there's it was a it was a forbidden kingdom until 1994.
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:51.280
Wow.
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:58.960
And then it opened up to tourists in the 90s, and and it's since been you know developed in some pretty tragic ways.
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:04.559
But there's actually dirt from Mustang on these moto boots.
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:04.960
Wow.
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:09.920
Because the last time I was there, I wore these, so all of this stuff is Can I touch them?
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:10.480
Of course.
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:11.440
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.679
Again, magic touch of the Lost Kingdom.
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:16.480
Yeah.
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.159
Um I did a really beautiful motorcycle journey there.
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.960
Well, these boots, by the way, guys, tell a story.
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:25.840
These boots, seeing some stories, yeah, I can tell.
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.760
You can probably write a whole book just about these boots.
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:30.079
Yeah.
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.320
Maybe maybe an idea for your third book.
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:32.800
Yeah.
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.159
Where these boots have been.
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:41.760
I mean, you can probably put it in a more poetic way, you know, places, maybe the the you know, the imprint from the boots in different places in the world.
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.559
I I've I've I've had it, that's a really great idea.
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.719
I've had a very similar thought about writing a stu like a book about You should.
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:56.000
Uh I wear this bead, it's called a Z, and it's probably well, anywhere from two to four thousand years old.
00:41:56.239 --> 00:42:03.119
And telling a story, writing a book about a single bead, but like interweaving the story so you don't really know that the connective tissue.
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:04.639
Absolutely think you should do it.
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:15.199
So and then the other place that I absolutely love is is Salzburg, Austria, um, where I really discovered photography.
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:23.039
But but to the point of where do I feel at home when I come home from these trips, it's just being surrounded by the people that I love.
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.159
That gives me the greatest sense of peace.
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:27.679
Are they here in LA?
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.159
Most of them now are, yeah.
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:30.960
Yeah.
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:39.920
Um and they're not people that are it's our friendships aren't based on a shared activity.
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.920
They're they're based in common values, they're based in sort of mutual love and support.
00:42:46.239 --> 00:43:02.159
And some of them are directors and some of them are writers and some of them are not in the industry at all, some of them are fitness training, you know, like but what holds us together is is uh a mutuality that is not based in going out and drinking.
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:04.800
Um nothing there's nothing wrong with that.
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.599
So how do you spend your time with you with the people you love?
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:08.960
What do you do?
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.519
I go on walks, you know, I go over to their house and hang out.
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.039
I mean it's very basic, you know.
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.519
Like just going on walks?
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:23.840
Going on walks, having dinners, having dinners, like um, going to see some art, going to a movie.
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:30.800
Like it's such going camping, uh, you know, having an experience together.
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.000
That's you know, I've never done camping before.
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:34.480
Really?
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:35.519
Yeah, never ever.
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:36.639
Oh, it's so great.
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.440
If I ever do a camping, it has to be glamping.
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:40.880
Glamping's great.
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.159
I mean, I guess if you're prepared, right?
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.360
You could enjoy it the most.
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.960
But if you know if I go unprepared, I'm gonna be eaten by a bear next year.
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.639
I'm gonna Victoria went camping, she didn't come back.
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:53.920
There's a happy bear.
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:55.760
It's a happy bear out there.
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:06.639
It's I mean, I think one of the most fulfilling things you can do with anybody is go out to the desert and and roll out a sleeping bag and sleep under the stars.
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:07.440
I love that.
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.000
You know, once what I did, I went to a dry lake and did a picnic in a dry lake.
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:12.719
Beautiful.
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.880
And I loved it for the fact that I've never experienced such silence.
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:17.440
Yeah.
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:25.360
Even though the highway wasn't far away, I guess, in my opinion, connection with nature is experiencing the silence.
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:26.559
In my opinion.
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:38.639
I I agree, and I and I'd also add that you know, all of this, if we can get if we can get deep enough into our understanding of the all of this is nature.
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:45.360
We refer, and it's certainly there's a different resonance when we go out and there's no buildings and there's no traffic and there's no concrete.
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.360
But a hundred percent our nervous system does different things.
00:44:50.079 --> 00:45:00.639
And I think when we practice enough, we can see, we can look around us, I can look around the garage here.
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.159
And all of this is nature.
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:06.480
It can't not be.
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:25.199
It all evolved from the planet, and it all all of this came through our hands, but it's all derivative of us, a biological organism that has a very, very uh unique mind and creative mind and has created it.
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:27.440
None of this is unnatural.
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.840
We cannot fundamentally be outside of nature.
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:35.199
So when we look around, we can default to that.
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:40.480
This is all fucking stardust and a collection of atoms cascading over each other.
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:42.639
There's nothing unnatural about this.
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.480
You have a crazy cool mind.
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.119
Do you think you're using the full capacity of your mind?
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:50.159
Fuck no.
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:55.519
I I I mean Do you believe that we use only what 1 or 10% of our brain?
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:57.599
Well, that it's a people less.
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.239
You know, I looked that up actually recently.
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:08.559
Because I was like, do we re you know, I I I know and it's we it's not as simple as that.
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:16.880
We use most of our mind, but it's in smaller segmentation doses, basically.
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:30.079
So it's not to say that we only use 10% of our brains, but our processing power is more, and I don't wanna I don't want to speak out of turn because I'm not a scientist, I'm not a neurobiologist.
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.840
Like my understanding is it's not as simple as that.
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.760
We use a lot of our brains, but in different doses at different times.
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.119
But I guess if where where you direct your energy to, right?
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:49.760
Yeah, if you spend more time, you know, meditating, you might experience something that a regular person who's always on the phone not experience, right?
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:50.239
Yeah.
00:46:50.480 --> 00:47:02.079
I mean, I I don't know if it's I don't want to get in line on the facts, but one of the my conspiracy theories is that back in the day, humans experienced uh I'm not sure if it was 32 senses.
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:03.679
So right now we have six senses.
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:17.199
There were more senses that we could experience than the modern human, like telepathy, you know, things like that, maybe predicting the future, or maybe more sensible understanding of and healing powers, you know, things like that.
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:34.960
I do believe that we lost some of our capabilities through time, and we're not as advanced as we could be if we spent or divert our energy to very specific, you know, um parts of you know, our I don't know if it's a skill or gifts, it's a practice.
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.440
Practice or whatever you call it, right?
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.079
I I really to think it.
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.280
It's so annoying because my brain can always go to both sides of things.
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:49.039
So we want to see both of you bipolar.
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.679
Um there's first of all, I believe that.
00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:10.000
Um I believe that we have because we live in a more of a uh manufactured world, not unnatural, but more manufactured, that has us separate from what we would call more organic material.
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:19.840
I think again, it's all organic, but um we've lost sort of a certain resonance with with what people call nature.
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:21.199
I believe that.
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:21.760
Yeah.
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:34.239
And I think there's a lot of information um and um an intelligence in nature and in us when we're in contact with what we call nature.
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:45.599
Um the other thing I would say is right now there seems to be a push towards this sort of pseudoscience kind of what is a pseudoscience?
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:57.199
Pseudoscience is like where we're using uh uh basically observable fact and then adapting it to fit our our narrative, right?
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:09.360
So a lot of people use sort of um quantum theory to justify um ideas like manifestation, right?
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:18.480
And certainly there's an element of manifestation that's very true, but but a lot of these things are being appropriated and sort of thrust forward as truth.
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:19.039
Right, right.
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.800
And it's a radical oversimplification of what's happening, right?
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:28.000
We're like, I'm gonna manifest abundance, and really I look at that and I go, Welcome to LA.
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.480
Welcome to LA, and I'm like, so what you mean by abundance is money.
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.480
That's 90%, 98% of what people are talking about.
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:47.039
And I'm not saying that focusing your attention on that won't create wealth, but that is sort of we're we're we're using pseudoscience to create this world, right, right, to create results.
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.480
But it but it also works.
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:49.679
So there's the other side of that.
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:49.920
Yeah.
00:49:50.079 --> 00:50:00.559
What I would also say is that um just because it's not observable or measurable doesn't mean it's not true.
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:12.320
There are many things in in the world that have not been measurable or observable that people had a sense of for a lot.
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:14.239
Think of radio waves.
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.159
All of this, everything is operating on radio waves, right?
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:21.360
But we couldn't see that for a long time.
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.519
We couldn't observe it, we couldn't measure it.
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.039
It was just theoretical.
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:30.719
And when it was pure theory, people are like, waves going through that, you're fucking crazy.
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:31.760
That doesn't exist.
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.119
Well, then, turns out it does exist.
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:47.039
And so I think when it comes to spirituality, when it comes to things like telepathy, when it comes, just because it's not observable or measurable right now doesn't mean it's not true.
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:54.960
So I make space for it, and I and of course there's experiences where I'm like, huh, that's fucking weird.
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:59.840
That makes me excited thinking about how much of the unknown out there that we're not even aware of.
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.800
That we're not aware of, and maybe eventually we'll find a way to measure it.
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.599
And that's that's science evolving, right?
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:08.800
And that's really cool.
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.679
Science is not exclusive of spirituality.
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:22.159
In fact, many times I see them uh support science keeps supporting what people have known for a very long time to be true, right?
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:26.239
Um and again, if you cannot prove it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:27.039
Exactly.
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.719
But that gets dangerous too, right?
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.199
Because people can take that and apply it to anything.
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:39.760
But I think it's important to be able to trust your instinct.
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.519
Sometimes we feel certain things.
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:43.360
By the way, do you believe in energy?
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:44.880
Like human energy?
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:46.079
Of course.
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.039
I mean, we're all literally energetic beings.
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:54.480
If you had to describe your energy in a color or give it a color, what color would that be?
00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:07.920
I pink or uh which is such a funny color for a guy to choose, but like I pink or sort of a um uh purpley like violet, you know, something like that.
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:10.960
Yeah, you know, I think I think I know your color.
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:11.679
What is it?
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:26.639
If you believe, so there's a book, it's called Love Colors, and written by Pamela Osley, uh-huh, and she um defines that every person has a color that we are born with, and the second color that we acquire, I think you are a color orange.
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:27.360
Orange.
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:44.639
Orange defines a person who loves extreme sports, likes to put themselves in danger, loves to, you know, be in those environments that not a regular person would be, you know, uh comfortable to be in, take risks.
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.760
I feel like I mean, just based on that color, so I think you are orange.
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:49.280
I mean, I I know there's more to it.
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.639
This is just a few descriptive words not to go into it.
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:56.480
Would you consider I would consider it?
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:57.920
I don't feel orange.
00:52:58.159 --> 00:52:58.880
You don't feel orange.
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.199
Okay, you feel pink, I feel a little bit of a violence.
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:01.760
Yeah, yeah.
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:02.880
Okay, good thing.
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:07.440
So I I mean, I'm hey, maybe I am orange, but I don't I don't, you know.
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:10.559
If I go get a spray tan, I'll be more orange.
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.599
Um, but like, no, I don't necessarily feel orange.
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.599
And um fair enough.
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.480
But again, like all of these things, here's the other thing.
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.559
I think it's fun to think about them.
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:32.960
I think it's really cool whether or not they're true is is is actually less important to me so long as I don't it's fun to think about.
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:45.440
It's fun to explore, it's fun to be curious, and maybe you know, we'll find a way to measure everybody's color signature, and we'll that that'll be it'll become scientific fact.
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:46.239
I don't fucking know.
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:51.840
You know, I like colour black because black has all the colors in the world in it.
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:52.960
Does it?
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:53.760
I think so.
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.000
I think if you mix all the colors, you will get black.
00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.400
Well, I think if you that's interesting.
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:01.679
I I I I think you'll get a gray.
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:03.920
We need to do a test now.
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:11.920
I think but uh but also if we look at light spectrum, okay, right white is the color that holds all colors.
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:12.719
Right, right.
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.039
This well, not all the the rainbow colors, right?
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:16.639
Well, think about a prism.
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:17.679
Prism, right, right.
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:26.320
A white uh like uh the totality of light goes through a prism and that creates the spectrum.
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:27.280
Right.
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:29.679
But we need to do a test.
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.639
What if you take all the colors in the world and mix them?
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.559
You might get either dark or bronze.
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:36.000
Should we ask chat?
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:37.599
Who has the phone?
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:38.559
Can we check?
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:40.480
I mean, we'll ask we'll ask.
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.840
Because this is again, this is actually an interesting topic.
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:44.320
Yeah.
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.719
I'm gonna extend it someplace else, if that's okay.
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:47.920
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
00:54:48.159 --> 00:55:02.480
Um one thing that I've been very aware of is as I talk on these podcasts, sometimes I'll say things that I think are true, and then I'll come to find out they were completely fucking not true.
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:04.480
And it was really bad science.
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.280
We want our listeners and viewers to go and check themselves.
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:07.760
Right.
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:08.639
Exactly.
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:17.599
Well, I want people to be curious because right now, especially again in LA, but but globally, we live in a podcast soundbite culture.
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:18.079
Right.
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:22.960
And everybody's an expert, and everybody speaks as though they know the truth.
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:23.679
And a guru.
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:24.559
And a guru.
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:38.559
And there was a recent study done, it wasn't really a study, but it was it was an interesting exercise where they took um TikTok mental health influencers and they took a hundred videos, right?
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:40.239
Can I imagine that, okay?
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:45.280
And they and then they gave them to train mental health professionals from all different strata.
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:45.679
Uh-huh.
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:55.440
And over 50 of them, 52 of them, were either wrong or uh misleading.
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:56.639
Delusional.
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:58.960
Or some of them were just outright dangerous.
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:00.960
So this is where we're getting our information.
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:01.199
Right.
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:13.199
Somebody says something interesting on a podcast, whether it's about love, relationships, masculinity, dating, and it feels good to us, and then we start saying it as truth.
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.719
It might be just really fucking bad information.
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:18.000
Disclaimer.
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:18.800
Yeah.
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:20.159
Like we're gonna do that.
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.320
We're gonna pull sound bites from this.
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.320
And it's gonna be something catchy, yeah.
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:28.320
And people are gonna like it, and then they're gonna share it, and then people are gonna take it on as truth.
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.119
It's just my fucking opinion.
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.440
Well, that's what's great about see, we're not preaching, we're actually having a conversation.
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:35.920
Right.
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.719
We're actually just conversing about different topics.
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:42.320
We're not saying, we're not teaching, we're not, you know, profiting.
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:45.360
I think we're just sharing our personal experience, disclaimer.
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:58.159
Well, yeah, and it I see it all the time in the relationship uh, you know, uh because there is sort of an an issue with men and boys these days, unquestionably.
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:05.760
All of the people that are committing these shootings and they're all young boys or or or older, angry men, right?
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:06.639
So what's happening?
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:07.760
There's something to look at.
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:10.960
Men kill themselves uh four to one.
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:13.519
Or yeah, I think four to one.
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:14.159
That's right.
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.199
Um again, I want that fact to be checked, right?
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:17.360
Right.
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:19.440
But it's astronomically high.
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:19.840
Right.
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.280
Men's suicides is on the high.
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:29.119
Like 70 to I think it's 80% in America are white, 80% of suicides are white men in America.
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:48.719
Um but so we we've come to this thing in in real in the relational space where now people are saying things about what masculinity should be, what a woman should do, uh, what we deserve, all of these very declarative, reductive statements.
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:56.960
And then we we take them on as truth and we try to live by these stories that these people have probably inherited.
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.719
Here's a one of my favorites.
00:57:58.880 --> 00:57:59.199
Yeah.
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:03.599
You have to love yourself fully before you can love somebody else truly.
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.320
What a bunch of fucking bullshit.
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:07.679
Egocentric.
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:09.760
It's so flawed.
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:10.400
Right, right.
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:11.440
Because look.
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:13.519
You're focusing on yourself, right?
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.960
Well, and it's good to focus on yourself, and it's good to try to love yourself.
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:39.599
But the idea that my mom, who I love her dearly, and she would agree with this, by the way, has never fully loved herself, did not love my father for 53 years of beautiful marriage, is an absolute fucking offensive idea that you have to love yourself to step into the totality of love.
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.039
Absolutely not.
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:49.920
And if your relationship with it's you with yourself is like any other relationship, you're not always gonna be in love with yourself.
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.880
You're gonna fall in love with out of love with yourself all the time.
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:54.159
Right?
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:59.599
Can you fall in love with yourself after falling in love with somebody else?
00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:00.480
Of course.
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:00.960
Right?
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:03.199
There's no there's no rules, right?
00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:03.920
One way.
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:04.719
Right, right.
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.559
Or or what's another great one that people just always say?
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:13.840
Like, um uh they're they're always relational, you know.
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.679
They're always like, you know, the best relationships start slow.
00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:20.000
Not always.
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:27.360
I know plenty of people who went out on a first date, fucked that night, and have been married for 30 years happily and have great kids.
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:35.280
We just mentioned in the other episode that it takes seven seconds for a woman to know if this is the guy that she wants to be with the first time she sees him.
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:39.119
And and I and again, that's I've heard that, but I wonder if it's true.
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:39.920
That we should check it.
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:41.039
You gotta test it, right?
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:41.360
Right.
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:43.599
Um and volunteers.
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:44.239
Right.
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:45.119
But it's true.
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:46.719
No, I get it.
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.119
I feel like we live by the stamps, right?
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:54.079
By this stereotypes, and we forget a how to feel, how to think for ourselves, right?
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.440
We need to just freaking be human, yeah.
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:04.480
Socialize again, you know, put your In situations you've never experienced, don't be scared, yeah, you know, to fail.
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.440
Don't be scared to be rejected because it's okay.
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:08.800
That's how you develop as a human.
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:10.480
You cannot always come out as a winner.
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:11.760
Maybe it's not your data.
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:14.400
I mean, but that's the thing.
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.199
I think is American mentality is like everybody's a winner.
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:19.599
I'm like, no, somebody's better, somebody's not.
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:22.559
But even if if you look how kids are raised here, right?
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:23.840
You're a winner, you're a winner.
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:26.880
In my school, I always had to fight to be a winner.
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:31.280
I had to deserve that place, you know, the first place or second place, right?
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.159
And here I feel the bar is so low.
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:35.760
You're good, you'll be fine.
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.320
Believe in yourself, you know, manifest.
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:38.639
Yeah.
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:42.480
All those, you know, catchphrases that don't really have meaning.
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:43.599
They don't have meaning.
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:45.679
They here's a great one.
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.800
Uh, if it's not a fuck yes, it's a fuck no.
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:50.000
Hmm.
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:51.199
Give me an example.
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:52.000
Okay.
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.960
Certainly we come into contact with people.
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:59.199
Again, I'll put it in the relationship space, and we're like, fuck yes, right?
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:00.480
Oh, I see.
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:06.719
But it also gets to a point, and I'm sort of paraphrasing Ryan Holiday here, who I love.
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:15.360
He's like, I mean, essentially the idea is any major decision I've made in my life is like 49.51.
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:18.239
It's not always a total fuck yes.
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:20.880
It and it doesn't have to be.
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.920
In fact, it shouldn't be if you're making a big life decision.
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:27.440
You should absolutely have some discernment and fear around it.
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:31.280
Because if you don't, you're not looking at it in its totality.
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.039
You're not looking at it with honesty.
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:34.159
But wait, hold on.
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.280
I think you're 100% right in that because you actually made me think.
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.559
If you're doubting, let's say if you speak about a relationship.
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:40.960
Yeah.
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:45.760
If you're in a relationship and you're doubting, it's already not a fuck yes.
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:46.159
Right.
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:46.639
Right?
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:58.159
If you have doubts or you try to find excuses uh for somebody's bad behavior or somebody's not treating you right, you try to find excuses, oh, maybe the person starred, oh, he had a hard childhood.
01:01:58.320 --> 01:01:58.400
Right.
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:00.320
Right, it's not a fuck yes.
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:14.400
But it doesn't mean that it's a doomed relationship or that you shouldn't be in it, or that like it just because you have having doubts in relationships is absolutely normal.
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:23.360
And when we get told that we shouldn't have any doubts, then then when we do, naturally, we immediately think it's the wrong relationship.
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:24.000
Right.
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:25.599
But that's not the case.
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.239
So I okay, let me for let me expand that.
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:32.480
So if you do have doubts, yeah, you usually step back, right?
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:36.559
You kind of take a break, or you know, you create little space.
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:40.400
And if you really feel and if it's right for you, we're gonna come back, right?
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:46.400
So doubts in a way is a you know checking and assuring that you made the right choice, right?
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:48.880
Yeah, and it's and certainly we have instincts.
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:49.280
Yeah.
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:50.880
We have gut instincts, right?
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:51.920
Those are really healthy.
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:52.480
Right.
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.199
But our guts are also sometimes wrong.
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.719
Not if you actually trust them truly.
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:00.320
I think our guts are mostly right.
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.599
I think they're mostly right, but I've had gut instincts that were absolutely wrong.
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:04.960
You know, like that have led me.
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.280
Or maybe wrong is not the right word.
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:07.599
Yeah.
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:11.440
They've led to Well, let's say for from a women's perspective, right?
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:16.320
If I feel something is a little bit off, but then I still proceed.
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:22.880
Either relationship or a project, most of the times, 80% it will end up being wrong.
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:29.519
And I go back like, damn it, I should have listened to my first initial response that something didn't feel right.
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:30.320
Right.
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:39.760
That's a practice, and I would argue that doing it, making that decision was absolutely the right thing to do because it led you to that learning.
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:44.239
Okay, okay, I see that's I'm not this is not toxic positivity.
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.400
I'm not trying to bypass things.
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:47.119
Right, right.
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:51.280
I'm just saying that look, right and wrong are arbitrary to begin with.
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:52.880
They're value applications.
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:56.480
We make decisions, yes, and there are outcomes.
01:03:56.800 --> 01:04:05.280
And depending on how much pleasure or pain that outcome provides us, we apply a value judgment that it's good or bad, right or wrong.
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:07.199
But all there are are decisions and outcomes.
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:11.599
It makes sense, right, when you when you explain it.
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:13.039
It's just decisions.
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:16.239
And you really can't make wrong decisions.
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:20.960
You make decisions that end up in in painful circumstance.
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.360
Well, I would say it if you make a bad decision, it teaches you a lesson.
01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:30.159
Every every bad experience or every failure teaches you a lesson.
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:31.360
I see that way, right?
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.559
Kind of always transforming and becoming better as a human.
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:39.039
And certainly, like, there's things we get to, like, okay, murder, rape, yeah, of course.
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.440
Those are fucking horrible decisions, right?
01:04:41.599 --> 01:05:03.360
I'm not gonna try and and as is evidenced by history, the outcomes of making decisions like that often lead to people having wild transformations that then bec they become advocates for, um, you know, and and proponents of a healthier, broader culture and society.
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:04.800
And it's all interrelated.
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:07.840
I'm not saying that it's okay to do any of that.
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.000
I'm not suggesting that at all.
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:32.159
I'm just saying that there is a there is a polarity that's operating in the strata of humanity that balances itself out naturally, and that is so important to realize in our own lives where, yeah, you might make a decision and it hurts, the outcome hurts, but that doesn't mean you were wrong to make it.
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:41.760
Because that idea that it's wrong imparts shame on you, and it's not shameful, it was just a decision that had a painful outcome.
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.079
Ma, I never thought about this that way.
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:50.000
I feel like on this wise words, we should wrap up this episode.
01:05:50.320 --> 01:06:19.679
But before we wrap it up, because I keep seeing Dustin keep waving red flags, because I feel like we could talk for another four hour four hours, but to make a logical, beautiful ending to this interesting conversation, if tomorrow, Corey, you wake up and there's no mountains, there's no adventures, it's just you as a human in one word to describe what that word would be to define you.
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:21.679
Love it.
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:28.639
I love it.
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:29.599
Wow.
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.559
That's all all of us are at our core, at our essence.
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:36.079
That's it.
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:42.960
That's what we're sending spiritually, telepathically, yeah, to all of our listeners and viewers.
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:43.599
Thank you.
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.320
Thank you for having me for being on the basic show.
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:52.320
Today we had Corey Richards, this very insightful, deep dive into the human life.
01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:54.880
Thank you for being a guest on the show today.
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:56.400
Love, it's so basic.
01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:58.559
So basic, but everything but basic.
01:06:58.800 --> 01:06:58.960
Yeah.
01:06:59.440 --> 01:06:59.679
Thank you.
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:00.639
Thanks for having me.
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:01.760
Bye.