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Speaker 3: Ah, here we go, boys and girls, the moment you've all been waiting for the Pope of the Pact, the big ten baron gud. It feels like weeks since I've talked to this guy, which it has been weeks. By the way, was he on last week with you guys? He was awesome visual. How about the week before he took the week off? Well, I heard that last week's performance was subpart. So I want to confirm that with you. Maybe John felt that way as well. But hey, big thanks to our friends. By the way at simply seattle dot com. Whatever you need code KJR fifteen gets you fifteen percent off at simply seattle dot com. Here he is getting ready to go to Chicago for Big ten media Day.
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Speaker 4: Our friend Johnny Wilner, How are you.
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Speaker 5: Man, I'm good. Thanks, Hey you guys swell.
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Speaker 4: We're doing good man.
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Speaker 3: So there's all kinds of conversation at SEC media days right now. There was a quote that we were going to play on the air from Heather Dintitch that we didn't get to about the possibility of the SEC breaking away from the NC double A. I think a lot of us have wondered now for a while with the Big ten, the SEC just go do their own thing, right, Well, just like it took USC and UCLA to jump into the pool first before you dub A, Oregon followed the Big ten, well to take the SEC kind of getting this engine started before the Big ten follows, Or you think the NC double A are or the SEC one day will maybe just make this move on their own if at all.
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Speaker 6: Well, boy, there's a lot to this topic. But the first thing is you kind of have to decide what you do how you define breaking away, because it could be one of two things. It could be that they continue to compete against the other conferences as usual, play in the CFP, play in March madness, but they kind of set their own rules regarding you know, maybe revenue sharing.
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Speaker 5: Transfers. That's one option.
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Speaker 6: Then the other option is that they actually go and take their ball and go home essentially and only.
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Speaker 5: Play each other.
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Speaker 6: Right, they got sixteen teams, you could you could easily play a twelve game schedule with a sixteen team league and declare your own champion. So that would be the other option. The first one is much more likely. If it's if something like that's gonna happen, now the Big ten, would they do the same. The problem is they can't both go off together because then they'd get sued for anti trust.
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Speaker 7: Boy John who would watch outside the SEC footprint? Who would watch a sixteen team SEC league?
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Speaker 6: I don't think that many, but the SEC footprints pretty are big.
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Speaker 5: That's the thing. Now.
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Speaker 6: The other piece to this, right is ESPN is probably gonna look at that and think that's not great for our business, just like Fox would probably think the Big Ten having their own intraconference competition wouldn't be great for Fox's business. But the problem is that two leagues cannot go together and just compete against each other with the thirty four schools because they get sued for collusion.
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Speaker 5: I mean, they would not even have signed.
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Speaker 6: The office show paperwork before the ACC and the Big twelve and everybody else file a lawsuit. Which brings us to how a super league. And we've talked about this before. The only way I think a super league could really form without getting being subject to and I trust is if the top schools in each conference just go and form their own entity.
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Speaker 3: Right right, Well, there's a reason why I bring it up, Number one because of the quote that we had from Dinnish from ESPN about SEC and what's happening down there. And then I've been asking you for months now, when are we going to see this thing settle down and be able to think to ourselves. Like back when Dick and I were growing up, we were kids, Obviously you kind of knew what the next five ten years would look like. Right We're playing in the Pac ten. Winner goes to the Rose Bowl.
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Speaker 4: That's it. You vote for a national champion. Blah blah blah. I'm not saying go back to those days.
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Speaker 3: What I'm asking you is how long until we have some consistency with this where everything is settled and Dick and I are not having you on the air every single week asking you about these changes that are coming on the horizon.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish I knew.
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Speaker 6: Nobody knows, but I will say that this the bill in the Senate, and we don't want to get two in the weeds. It's not very good radio, and frankly it's not good for writing for me.
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Speaker 5: But it does matter. This bill in the Senate matters a.
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Speaker 6: Ton because it has provisions that basically say what the conferences can and cannot do in terms of expansion. And so if the bill in the Senate becomes law later this year, that will set college sports on one trajectory. If the thing fizzles out, college sports will go another trajectory.
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Speaker 5: And that second one.
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Speaker 6: Where the bill fizzles out is the one that has a lot more unknowns.
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Speaker 4: John, could you.
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Speaker 7: Start a super league where you've got a commissioner. You've got this league. Certain schools are the founding members of this super League. And then they just say, hey, we're opening this up to applications regardless of what conference you're in right now. If you want to be in the super League, here's what it takes. Here's the type of money you're going to have to put up to get yourself into the Super League. This is what type of yearly commitment financially you're going to have to do to get because not every school is gonna want to do that. So that seems to me like kind of a capitalistic way to do this, where it it absolves you of any lawsuits.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think the way it would happen is, you know, pick a school, Ohio State calls Texas, Texas calls Notre Dame, and that is basically you know, and ad Alabama and Michigan, and that's your founding group, right, that's your what would be your bears, giants, packers don't so, but then you have to have financing. And so what they do is they go to private equity, and private equity provides the initial infusion to allow this thing to happen, and private equity brokers the media rights deal and they get the framework in and then they start saying, okay, uh, you know, we'll take this school, we'll take that school. Now, you might the schools have to pay to get in. I guess that's possible, but I think that that would be how it worked. It would be a handful of schools along with private, private equity.
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Speaker 3: All right, John Waters, well us, I assume you're going to Chicago next week, July twenty eighth week.
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Speaker 6: Actually, in all transparency, all transparency, I am not. I got a family commitment that will prevent me from going.
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Speaker 4: You know what, I don't want to hear excuse me.
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Speaker 7: Truly the baron if he's not going to be there, No.
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Speaker 4: You cannot be the baron of the Big ten. I need better.
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Speaker 3: I need commitment here, John, come on, big boy, find a way. Well guess we won't be there either, and we don't even have our family to blame. By the way, well, honestly, the reason why we're not going is because, I mean, guys, I did PAC twelve football PAC ten Media Day for like twenty years, going back to that what was that crappy hotel by the airport, John, that used to have it and way back to the day to share it in it and I was there when there were literally only two or three radio stations there doing media Day, and I loved it. And we would go wherever they would go, hotels, the Rose Bull, the Warner Brothers lot, Paramount lot, whatever. We would go and have a great time and blah blah blah. And then they went to the Big Ten. And it doesn't seem like the Big Ten puts on the radio row show the way the SEC does. I was just talking to Christian Caple about that. I'm watching the SEC Media Days on TV and I'm seeing radio station after radio station after radio station, and the Big Ten doesn't do that. So that's why we're not going out there. It's not worth our time. Number one and number two. It's a three day event, not a two day event. But what will be the big story? You think at Big ten Media Day starting next week, there's always one big one.
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Speaker 4: What's the big one going to be this year?
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, to me, I look at it from the conference perspective, not necessarily from the school the school deal, and to me, it's gonna be what Commissioner Tony Patiti says during his opening remarks State of the Conference address on Tuesday about the Senate bill about playoff expansion, about the revenue sharing cap, about whether the Big ten is also considering a self governing model like the SEC is considering all of those huge issues that impact the present and the future. To me, that will be the big thing. And Petiti's he will open the three day event with He'll have some remarks and then I'll have a Q and A with the media, and then they'll get into the team by team stuff.
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Speaker 7: Well, and then with his biggest story as one of your flagship schools is having with their athletic director and Warden Manual. How how surprised were you that the Michigan president fired some shots across the bow at ward Manual on the way out.
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Speaker 5: Not really that surprised.
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Speaker 6: I mean it's hard to defend ward Manuals oversight of the athletic department they have.
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Speaker 5: It has been you know, clean up on Aisle nine every year for what five years?
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Speaker 6: Since the harball before the style, the science stealing harball, had the cheeseburger scandal right.
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Speaker 5: With the recruit you know, it's that's the thing.
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Speaker 6: It's been so mismanaged, so poorly run, so embarrassing for the university. They do have a national championship in football and basketball, right, uh, for their fans, But but from an institutional perspective, it's been terrible. And the one thing I would add, and it's good that you reference the president. Michigan has had four presidents in the last five years, and that kind of turnover at the top has a huge impact on everything below it, including athletics.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm glad Dick brought it up because look, they're gonna want somebody obviously to replace Ward Manual. I'm not saying that Pat john is the favorite to get the job. I mean I'm seeing guys like Joe Parker from Iowa. Diane Deets is the Big Ten deputy commissioner, and I think went to Michigan for God's sakes. But Chun's a Buckeye. But they hired Ross Buork yeah two years ago. Is there any chance they would call him?
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Speaker 6: I would be shocked if they hired a buck Eye beyond shocked. Yeah. I mean, you know, Chun would have a better chance of getting the Oregon job if Rob Mullins left, then he does get There is no way Ohio State would hire a Michigan guy, or Michigan would an Ohio State guy.
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Speaker 5: No chance, John, Why ad LSU can't I could Chun?
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Speaker 6: Is? I think Chun's really good, But that rivalry is more important than any single individual.
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Speaker 3: No, I'm with you, and I'm not surprised to hear that at all out of you. But you just mentioned something that I'm curious about. You said Chun's really good. Why do you think he's really good?
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Speaker 6: Because I think he's got a very good sense. First of all, I think he hires good coaches, and his track record at Washington State, to me, is proof of that, you know, And I think he has a very good sense of what's going on across the landscape and how Washington fits in, understanding the challenges, a lot of which he inherited and the current president inherited, and they're trying to make the most of it, and it's a tough spot.
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Speaker 5: But I just think you have to.
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Speaker 6: You can't run a campus with blinders anymore. You used to be able to do that. It used to not matter when Barbara Hedges was there. It didn't I story matter what was going on in Columbus or Tuscaloosa. But it matters now, and you've got to have an ad who sees how all the chess pieces fit on the board.
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Speaker 7: John, I love the idea of having two interconference, big time interconference teams play each other. And we've just lost another one. Why did LSU cancel their football series with ASU?
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Speaker 5: I mean ASU has taken a pit.
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Speaker 6: They've lost a series with LSU, with Texas and I think with Florida as well. And the problem is the main problem is the SEC went to none conference games, so you know they the ACC did as well, So we're gonna see fewer and fewer of these power four bursts power four non conference games, and especially while everybody is worried that the playoffs selection committee starts by counting your losses first and not your quality wins. But that's basically what's happened to ASU is these SEC teams, I mean Alabama's cancel series. They're all canceled series because they've got to add a conference game.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, John Willner's with us to get on the air, and obviously all eyes will be on the Big Ten starting next week. But if you get back locally here in Seattle, I think if I have my dates correct, I got to confirm this, by the way, let me check my phone out here for a second. First day of Husky football camp is going to be on the sixth of August. Their media day is on the fourth of August, so we got obviously a couple weeks before you Dub we hit.
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Speaker 4: The practice field.
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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of us are optimistic about the Dogs, and maybe the biggest reasons because of their schedule.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty much wide open.
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Speaker 3: There's a couple of potential land mines at USC at Nebraska, Iowa come in here, but nothing that is not totally you know, not manageable by U DUB before they take on Indiana and Oregon. Is it fair for Husky fans too? I don't know if expect is the right word, but feel pretty good that they're going to be in the CFP conversation in November.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think we'll know because they basic. I think they kind of they need to be nine and one right minimum, Yes, you know, going to those last two right, so we will have a pretty good sense.
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Speaker 5: The issue is gonna be which team that we look.
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Speaker 6: At, And I agree with you, but there's always a team that's way better than we think they're gonna be.
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Speaker 5: And will that team on Washington schedule.
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Speaker 6: Will that be a road game, will be a home game for the Huskies, will be at nine am on the East Coast, will be at.
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Speaker 5: Four o'clock at Husky Stadium? Right there?
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Speaker 6: How's that X factor going to play out the game that we don't think is gonna be tough and it turns out like, Wow, that team's really good.
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Speaker 5: That to me is the question for them because.
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Speaker 6: Otherwise, yet they should be in really good shape once once we get into the middle of November.
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Speaker 7: Well, last year, the team that was a lot better than we thought they were gonna be, even though they thought we thought they would be good, but not national championship good was Indiana. So what does this year's Indiana team look like? Without Fernando Mendoza.
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Speaker 6: A problem, but they pretty aren't good as long as Signetti's coaching and the guy's a wizard. Their quarterback Josh Hoover from Texas TCU, is a really He's got.
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Speaker 5: A great arm, he's very talented. His problem with TCU was too many interceptions.
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Speaker 6: If Signetti can coach that out of him and he plays efficiently, they're gonna be really good again. I mean, they got a lot of guys back. They obviously have the right culture in place. The guy is Signetti gets him ready to play. It's a very top heavy league. That's the difference. We're gonna hear about this all season. The SEC is deeper, but the top of the Big Ten is better than the top of the SEC. So as we get into November and they're talking about playoff bids, you know, you could easily see the Big Ten having the top two seeds or three of the top four seeds, but the SEC getting more teams in because the tenth team in the SEC is better than the tenth team, and the fourteenth team in the SEC is better than the fourteenth team in the Big Ten, But the Big ten's better at top.
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Speaker 4: Who would you pick in a USC game in the coliseum right now?
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Speaker 5: I would pick the Trojans.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 6: I need to see a little more from the Huskies on terms of winning on the road, and I think that they have done that. They the two coaches and the two programs are kind of tracking in a similar fashion in terms of upgrading their play at the line of scrimmage. You know, I know it's been a big emphasis for Lincoln Riley and for Jet Fish.
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Speaker 5: So I think it was.
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Speaker 6: You know, I would put the line on that game as USC minus two or three, but I would probably lean towards the Trojans at this point. I just am not convinced Washington is going to win on the road enough to be in position on November twentieth or whatever it is to basically need to win one of their last two right.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, but I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 3: For Lincoln Riley, that'd be embarrassing to lose the UDUB and jedfish on October the third. That's a big one for him down there. If they lose that game, Jed may fire. She may tarmac him that night. By the way, even though he said she may see. You know what, I know, we're home, go to the airport so I can fire you. John, you're the man, great stuff, And we were talking a week all right, thanks, thanks, all right, But John Wilner with us on the air. We asked a player, a Mariner player yesterday on the show what he thought of people out there that want Dan Wilson fired. We're gonna play it for you next on ninety three three KJRFM.
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Speaker 2: It's time for our weekly PAC twelve conversation with Senos Mercury News reporter John Wilner, brought to you by Simply Seattle. Our friends at simply Seattle dot com have the most amazing collection of all things Seattle Seahawks gear. UW had some of the largest selection of Sonnix gear anywhere in the world. Learn more at simply Seattle dot com.
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Speaker 3: Ah, here we go, boys and girls, the moment you've all been waiting for the Pope of the Pact, the big ten baron gud. It feels like weeks since I've talked to this guy, which it has been weeks. By the way, was he on last week with you guys? He was awesome visual. How about the week before he took the week off? Well, I heard that last week's performance was subpart. So I want to confirm that with you. Maybe John felt that way as well. But hey, big thanks to our friends. By the way at simply seattle dot com. Whatever you need code KJR fifteen gets you fifteen percent off at simply seattle dot com. Here he is getting ready to go to Chicago for Big ten media Day.
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Speaker 4: Our friend Johnny Wilner, How are you.
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Speaker 5: Man, I'm good. Thanks, Hey you guys swell.
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Speaker 4: We're doing good man.
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Speaker 3: So there's all kinds of conversation at SEC media days right now. There was a quote that we were going to play on the air from Heather Dintitch that we didn't get to about the possibility of the SEC breaking away from the NC double A. I think a lot of us have wondered now for a while with the Big ten, the SEC just go do their own thing, right, Well, just like it took USC and UCLA to jump into the pool first before you dub A, Oregon followed the Big ten, well to take the SEC kind of getting this engine started before the Big ten follows, Or you think the NC double A are or the SEC one day will maybe just make this move on their own if at all.
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Speaker 6: Well, boy, there's a lot to this topic. But the first thing is you kind of have to decide what you do how you define breaking away, because it could be one of two things. It could be that they continue to compete against the other conferences as usual, play in the CFP, play in March madness, but they kind of set their own rules regarding you know, maybe revenue sharing.
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Speaker 5: Transfers. That's one option.
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Speaker 6: Then the other option is that they actually go and take their ball and go home essentially and only.
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Speaker 5: Play each other.
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Speaker 6: Right, they got sixteen teams, you could you could easily play a twelve game schedule with a sixteen team league and declare your own champion. So that would be the other option. The first one is much more likely. If it's if something like that's gonna happen, now the Big ten, would they do the same. The problem is they can't both go off together because then they'd get sued for anti trust.
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Speaker 7: Boy John who would watch outside the SEC footprint? Who would watch a sixteen team SEC league?
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Speaker 6: I don't think that many, but the SEC footprints pretty are big.
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Speaker 5: That's the thing. Now.
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Speaker 6: The other piece to this, right is ESPN is probably gonna look at that and think that's not great for our business, just like Fox would probably think the Big Ten having their own intraconference competition wouldn't be great for Fox's business. But the problem is that two leagues cannot go together and just compete against each other with the thirty four schools because they get sued for collusion.
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Speaker 5: I mean, they would not even have signed.
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Speaker 6: The office show paperwork before the ACC and the Big twelve and everybody else file a lawsuit. Which brings us to how a super league. And we've talked about this before. The only way I think a super league could really form without getting being subject to and I trust is if the top schools in each conference just go and form their own entity.
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Speaker 3: Right right, Well, there's a reason why I bring it up, Number one because of the quote that we had from Dinnish from ESPN about SEC and what's happening down there. And then I've been asking you for months now, when are we going to see this thing settle down and be able to think to ourselves. Like back when Dick and I were growing up, we were kids, Obviously you kind of knew what the next five ten years would look like. Right We're playing in the Pac ten. Winner goes to the Rose Bowl.
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Speaker 4: That's it. You vote for a national champion. Blah blah blah. I'm not saying go back to those days.
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Speaker 3: What I'm asking you is how long until we have some consistency with this where everything is settled and Dick and I are not having you on the air every single week asking you about these changes that are coming on the horizon.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish I knew.
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Speaker 6: Nobody knows, but I will say that this the bill in the Senate, and we don't want to get two in the weeds. It's not very good radio, and frankly it's not good for writing for me.
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Speaker 5: But it does matter. This bill in the Senate matters a.
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Speaker 6: Ton because it has provisions that basically say what the conferences can and cannot do in terms of expansion. And so if the bill in the Senate becomes law later this year, that will set college sports on one trajectory. If the thing fizzles out, college sports will go another trajectory.
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Speaker 5: And that second one.
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Speaker 6: Where the bill fizzles out is the one that has a lot more unknowns.
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Speaker 4: John, could you.
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Speaker 7: Start a super league where you've got a commissioner. You've got this league. Certain schools are the founding members of this super League. And then they just say, hey, we're opening this up to applications regardless of what conference you're in right now. If you want to be in the super League, here's what it takes. Here's the type of money you're going to have to put up to get yourself into the Super League. This is what type of yearly commitment financially you're going to have to do to get because not every school is gonna want to do that. So that seems to me like kind of a capitalistic way to do this, where it it absolves you of any lawsuits.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think the way it would happen is, you know, pick a school, Ohio State calls Texas, Texas calls Notre Dame, and that is basically you know, and ad Alabama and Michigan, and that's your founding group, right, that's your what would be your bears, giants, packers don't so, but then you have to have financing. And so what they do is they go to private equity, and private equity provides the initial infusion to allow this thing to happen, and private equity brokers the media rights deal and they get the framework in and then they start saying, okay, uh, you know, we'll take this school, we'll take that school. Now, you might the schools have to pay to get in. I guess that's possible, but I think that that would be how it worked. It would be a handful of schools along with private, private equity.
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Speaker 3: All right, John Waters, well us, I assume you're going to Chicago next week, July twenty eighth week.
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Speaker 6: Actually, in all transparency, all transparency, I am not. I got a family commitment that will prevent me from going.
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Speaker 4: You know what, I don't want to hear excuse me.
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Speaker 7: Truly the baron if he's not going to be there, No.
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Speaker 4: You cannot be the baron of the Big ten. I need better.
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Speaker 3: I need commitment here, John, come on, big boy, find a way. Well guess we won't be there either, and we don't even have our family to blame. By the way, well, honestly, the reason why we're not going is because, I mean, guys, I did PAC twelve football PAC ten Media Day for like twenty years, going back to that what was that crappy hotel by the airport, John, that used to have it and way back to the day to share it in it and I was there when there were literally only two or three radio stations there doing media Day, and I loved it. And we would go wherever they would go, hotels, the Rose Bull, the Warner Brothers lot, Paramount lot, whatever. We would go and have a great time and blah blah blah. And then they went to the Big Ten. And it doesn't seem like the Big Ten puts on the radio row show the way the SEC does. I was just talking to Christian Caple about that. I'm watching the SEC Media Days on TV and I'm seeing radio station after radio station after radio station, and the Big Ten doesn't do that. So that's why we're not going out there. It's not worth our time. Number one and number two. It's a three day event, not a two day event. But what will be the big story? You think at Big ten Media Day starting next week, there's always one big one.
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Speaker 4: What's the big one going to be this year?
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, to me, I look at it from the conference perspective, not necessarily from the school the school deal, and to me, it's gonna be what Commissioner Tony Patiti says during his opening remarks State of the Conference address on Tuesday about the Senate bill about playoff expansion, about the revenue sharing cap, about whether the Big ten is also considering a self governing model like the SEC is considering all of those huge issues that impact the present and the future. To me, that will be the big thing. And Petiti's he will open the three day event with He'll have some remarks and then I'll have a Q and A with the media, and then they'll get into the team by team stuff.
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Speaker 7: Well, and then with his biggest story as one of your flagship schools is having with their athletic director and Warden Manual. How how surprised were you that the Michigan president fired some shots across the bow at ward Manual on the way out.
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Speaker 5: Not really that surprised.
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Speaker 6: I mean it's hard to defend ward Manuals oversight of the athletic department they have.
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Speaker 5: It has been you know, clean up on Aisle nine every year for what five years?
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Speaker 6: Since the harball before the style, the science stealing harball, had the cheeseburger scandal right.
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Speaker 5: With the recruit you know, it's that's the thing.
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Speaker 6: It's been so mismanaged, so poorly run, so embarrassing for the university. They do have a national championship in football and basketball, right, uh, for their fans, But but from an institutional perspective, it's been terrible. And the one thing I would add, and it's good that you reference the president. Michigan has had four presidents in the last five years, and that kind of turnover at the top has a huge impact on everything below it, including athletics.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm glad Dick brought it up because look, they're gonna want somebody obviously to replace Ward Manual. I'm not saying that Pat john is the favorite to get the job. I mean I'm seeing guys like Joe Parker from Iowa. Diane Deets is the Big Ten deputy commissioner, and I think went to Michigan for God's sakes. But Chun's a Buckeye. But they hired Ross Buork yeah two years ago. Is there any chance they would call him?
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Speaker 6: I would be shocked if they hired a buck Eye beyond shocked. Yeah. I mean, you know, Chun would have a better chance of getting the Oregon job if Rob Mullins left, then he does get There is no way Ohio State would hire a Michigan guy, or Michigan would an Ohio State guy.
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Speaker 5: No chance, John, Why ad LSU can't I could Chun?
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Speaker 6: Is? I think Chun's really good, But that rivalry is more important than any single individual.
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Speaker 3: No, I'm with you, and I'm not surprised to hear that at all out of you. But you just mentioned something that I'm curious about. You said Chun's really good. Why do you think he's really good?
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Speaker 6: Because I think he's got a very good sense. First of all, I think he hires good coaches, and his track record at Washington State, to me, is proof of that, you know, And I think he has a very good sense of what's going on across the landscape and how Washington fits in, understanding the challenges, a lot of which he inherited and the current president inherited, and they're trying to make the most of it, and it's a tough spot.
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Speaker 5: But I just think you have to.
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Speaker 6: You can't run a campus with blinders anymore. You used to be able to do that. It used to not matter when Barbara Hedges was there. It didn't I story matter what was going on in Columbus or Tuscaloosa. But it matters now, and you've got to have an ad who sees how all the chess pieces fit on the board.
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Speaker 7: John, I love the idea of having two interconference, big time interconference teams play each other. And we've just lost another one. Why did LSU cancel their football series with ASU?
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Speaker 5: I mean ASU has taken a pit.
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Speaker 6: They've lost a series with LSU, with Texas and I think with Florida as well. And the problem is the main problem is the SEC went to none conference games, so you know they the ACC did as well, So we're gonna see fewer and fewer of these power four bursts power four non conference games, and especially while everybody is worried that the playoffs selection committee starts by counting your losses first and not your quality wins. But that's basically what's happened to ASU is these SEC teams, I mean Alabama's cancel series. They're all canceled series because they've got to add a conference game.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, John Willner's with us to get on the air, and obviously all eyes will be on the Big Ten starting next week. But if you get back locally here in Seattle, I think if I have my dates correct, I got to confirm this, by the way, let me check my phone out here for a second. First day of Husky football camp is going to be on the sixth of August. Their media day is on the fourth of August, so we got obviously a couple weeks before you Dub we hit.
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Speaker 4: The practice field.
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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of us are optimistic about the Dogs, and maybe the biggest reasons because of their schedule.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty much wide open.
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Speaker 3: There's a couple of potential land mines at USC at Nebraska, Iowa come in here, but nothing that is not totally you know, not manageable by U DUB before they take on Indiana and Oregon. Is it fair for Husky fans too? I don't know if expect is the right word, but feel pretty good that they're going to be in the CFP conversation in November.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think we'll know because they basic. I think they kind of they need to be nine and one right minimum, Yes, you know, going to those last two right, so we will have a pretty good sense.
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Speaker 5: The issue is gonna be which team that we look.
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Speaker 6: At, And I agree with you, but there's always a team that's way better than we think they're gonna be.
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Speaker 5: And will that team on Washington schedule.
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Speaker 6: Will that be a road game, will be a home game for the Huskies, will be at nine am on the East Coast, will be at.
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Speaker 5: Four o'clock at Husky Stadium? Right there?
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Speaker 6: How's that X factor going to play out the game that we don't think is gonna be tough and it turns out like, Wow, that team's really good.
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Speaker 5: That to me is the question for them because.
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Speaker 6: Otherwise, yet they should be in really good shape once once we get into the middle of November.
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Speaker 7: Well, last year, the team that was a lot better than we thought they were gonna be, even though they thought we thought they would be good, but not national championship good was Indiana. So what does this year's Indiana team look like? Without Fernando Mendoza.
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Speaker 6: A problem, but they pretty aren't good as long as Signetti's coaching and the guy's a wizard. Their quarterback Josh Hoover from Texas TCU, is a really He's got.
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Speaker 5: A great arm, he's very talented. His problem with TCU was too many interceptions.
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Speaker 6: If Signetti can coach that out of him and he plays efficiently, they're gonna be really good again. I mean, they got a lot of guys back. They obviously have the right culture in place. The guy is Signetti gets him ready to play. It's a very top heavy league. That's the difference. We're gonna hear about this all season. The SEC is deeper, but the top of the Big Ten is better than the top of the SEC. So as we get into November and they're talking about playoff bids, you know, you could easily see the Big Ten having the top two seeds or three of the top four seeds, but the SEC getting more teams in because the tenth team in the SEC is better than the tenth team, and the fourteenth team in the SEC is better than the fourteenth team in the Big Ten, But the Big ten's better at top.
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Speaker 4: Who would you pick in a USC game in the coliseum right now?
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Speaker 5: I would pick the Trojans.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 6: I need to see a little more from the Huskies on terms of winning on the road, and I think that they have done that. They the two coaches and the two programs are kind of tracking in a similar fashion in terms of upgrading their play at the line of scrimmage. You know, I know it's been a big emphasis for Lincoln Riley and for Jet Fish.
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Speaker 5: So I think it was.
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Speaker 6: You know, I would put the line on that game as USC minus two or three, but I would probably lean towards the Trojans at this point. I just am not convinced Washington is going to win on the road enough to be in position on November twentieth or whatever it is to basically need to win one of their last two right.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, but I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 3: For Lincoln Riley, that'd be embarrassing to lose the UDUB and jedfish on October the third. That's a big one for him down there. If they lose that game, Jed may fire. She may tarmac him that night. By the way, even though he said she may see. You know what, I know, we're home, go to the airport so I can fire you. John, you're the man, great stuff, And we were talking a week all right, thanks, thanks, all right, But John Wilner with us on the air. We asked a player, a Mariner player yesterday on the show what he thought of people out there that want Dan Wilson fired. We're gonna play it for you next on ninety three three KJRFM.
