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Hello and welcome to Shoot the Hostage with me, Dan, and my partner, Sarah. We're a movie podcast and we cover eight films per season based on a specific theme. It is worth noting that we do occasionally swear, open brackets, very often swear, close brackets. We also occasionally cover triggering topics, so we would always advise using listener discretion and probably don't listen around your kids. If you like what we do and want to support us, please consider hitting five stars on Spotify or maybe subscribing or even reviewing on your platform of choice. Uh we also have a Patreon with a free tier for lineups and updates and two paid tiers with extra content and early adree episodes. Right, that's enough from me. On with the show. We're back again, Sarah. It's another episode in Size Doesn't Matter season. It's the penultimate one.
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I was waiting for you to say it's the penny.
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It's the penny. I didn't want to force it.
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Now you choose now not to force it.
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Yeah. I don't want to labor a joke. I wouldn't want to do that.
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Never.
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Not that that's a joke. Making a word shorter.
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Um, no. I wouldn't call that a joke. That's just a quirk.
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It's a quirk. Yeah.
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It's a weird idiosyncrasy of yours.
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Uh, today we're heading to 1991. Sarah, what do you remember about 1991? I'm going to tell you.
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You're going to tell me what I remember. That's very presumptuous of you.
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Okay. 1991. What What comes out of your brain?
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Not a lot. It was a long time ago. Let's be honest.
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What was what was what was relevant? What what in 1991 would you remember and go, "Oh, yeah. That was a thing that existed."
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Prime school.
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Cool. Yeah, that still exists now.
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School dinners,
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I believe. Yeah.
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Yeah. I'm just talking about specific to me. That's what I remember about 1991.
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Sequest DSV.
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Hell yeah.
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Yeah. Talking
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I was going to say talking donuts. No,
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but I think what I meant to say was talking dolphins.
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Uh yeah, Darwin was pretty smart.
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Yeah, I used that was it was um a bright spot on my Sunday evenings.
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Do you remember global hyperolor t-shirts?
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Of course. Of course I do.
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Did you have one?
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No.
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Do you remember scratch and sniff t-shirts?
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I do, but I didn't have one of those either.
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Oh, I had a banana one.
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Oh, I never got cool stuff. My parents were just like, I'm not spending money on that.
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Magic Eye pictures.
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Can't do them cuz I've got a straismas.
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Do you remember 20p tubs of hair gel that you'd get from news agents?
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Um, in you just get half the pot and just chuck it on your head. Dollop.
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I I fear that is more of a male experience.
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Is it?
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I didn't do that.
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Fair enough. Uh, one last question. Do you remember the 1991 movie Dolman directed by Albert Pun?
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I only remember it because we watched it about a week ago, but prior to that, no. I certainly was not aware of this in 1991 or 2001 or 2011.
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Had you when had you have first heard of this then? Wasn't for the show. You you
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Yes, it was.
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Was it?
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Yeah, it was when We went there's this movie called Doll Man that's on my uh preliminary list that I might do and you told me the synopsis and I was like that has to go on there.
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Yeah. Where was my exact experience as well? I spent a long time trying to get this lineup right and some would argue that I never achieved that.
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I think it's been fun.
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Yeah. I there's a couple in there that I would probably in retrospect not do now.
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I think tiptoes should be wiped off the planet.
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It's the main one I'm thinking of.
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Um but yeah, when I saw the synopsis was like yeah that's going on a list. It's a It's directed by Albert Pun which who we mentioned but it's also produced by Charles Band and he he is he is Full Moon Pictures right that's his production company
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I believe so I should know that shouldn't I yeah I think it is I look Charles Band and Full Moon are synonymous to me
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and that's come from somewhere so yes let's go with yes
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and the fact that it was produced by Charles Band who has a ponchant for things.
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Murderous little things. Specifically,
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naughty little toy things. Naughty little space people from the planet Arourus.
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Well, yeah. Specifically in this case, it's a tiny dirty Harry.
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It's a tiny dirty Harry chasing a tiny floating head guy.
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Throughout dimensional drift rift drifts. Rift.
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Spoog.
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Spru. Yeah. There's a lot of things I wasn't expecting to see in this movie.
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Yeah. Same.
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It was joyous. But Charles So Charles B. So, he's primarily the little monster horror guy, right?
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He just likes little guys.
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He's uh Is it the puppet masters his thing?
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Is that the thing that he's most kind of associated with? Cuz there are 13 of those,
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I guess. So, I mean, Puppet Master is quite a well-known franchise at this point, but Full Moon have many franchises. There's uh Ginger Dead Man,
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there's several of those.
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Uh I Gary was only involved in the first one though, I think.
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Well, they couldn't get Booy back,
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I think. So, um, what else? Evil Bong. There's quite a few of those now.
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We've all seen those.
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Uh, Killjoy, the Killer Clown movies they did.
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Yeah, we've all heard of those.
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Yeah, Full Moon have fingers in a lot of pies and they're mostly s***. The pies are mostly made of s***, are they?
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But there are some absolute gems.
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But it seems like from what I've seen in my research, it seems like band was drawn to small things primarily from for budget reasons.
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That would make sense. Okay.
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Less materials. I don't know.
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you can just rent a warehouse and just shoot for a day. I guess
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that makes total sense actually. Or in this case, not rent a warehouse and just find an abandoned construction site and just film everything there.
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Yeah. All of your set pieces are there.
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It functions as two planets.
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Yeah. And then everything else is stock footage that's not even from where it's supposed to be.
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I think so. Yeah. Oh, right. Is that a fact?
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Yeah. Right. Okay.
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Some of it. Anyway. Um but yeah, Charles Band. It's a funny one cuz I've always been drawn to full movies or I full movies full moon movies.
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Um or I used to be at least because even the really s*** ones are generally quite fun. I see Full Moon as like the TK Maxx of the movie industry.
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Mostly s***.
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You have to dig through a lot of s*** to find the kernels of genius.
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If you're there for an hour scraping through the racks.
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Yeah, precisely.
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You might find a Sergio Tini short.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to nod and smile and pretend I know what that is. But yeah, exactly that.
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Was it I mean, he's got 284 EP credits.
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According to Letterbox this afternoon,
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so Busy busy man.
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Yeah, I would say busy man, but I think most of his movies take about a week to produce.
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True.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm uh being a bit mean there and underelling what he does. I think I think he's got um an important place in the industry.
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Yeah, it's a it's it is what it is. It's a And I've seen obviously Dole Man and you've we watched the puppet masters. only watched the first one. And we watched Puppet Master versus Demonic Toys.
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Did we?
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We did.
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So, you're not as well verssed?
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No.
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In the Full Moon. The Full Moonverse. The Full Moon. See you.
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That's canon.
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Yeah. No, it is a There's There's this box set, isn't there? The The Doll Man versus Demonic Toys box set.
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I was quite surprised to see such a fancy box set, actually.
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Yeah. It's I mean, it's tempting. I mean, Yeah, Dolman was fun and I haven't seen a bunch of the others.
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There was years ago there was a really really nice um puppet master box set. I think it was only available in the States and I'm constantly kicking myself for not buying that cuz it looked like the the case that the puppets actually came in.
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Oh yeah, the the openy thingy.
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The openy thingy. Yeah,
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case. I know what you mean.
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cuz wasn't there a guy who was an artist who accidentally made Nazi toys
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in in a demonic toy thing.
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I don't know if he accidentally made Nazi Toys. There were links to Yeah, look, it's muddy.
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Something to do with S Craig Zala.
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Oh, that was one of the sequels. That was um I think that was Puppet Master the Third, Reich. Genuinely. Genuinely. Which is
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Oh, hang on. Am I getting my franchises mixed up here?
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That's a Puppet Master movie.
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But Puppet Masters are not demonic toys.
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No, they're two separate franchises.
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But there is some crossover.
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It's complicated, Dan. But also, the crossovers involve Dolman as well.
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Yep. Yeah. Oh, in every franchise there's always like a crossover.
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Like it'll be somebody versus somebody. They've really milked it and I kind of admire that in
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Albert Pun, he's not somebody I knew a great deal about before doing research for this.
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I think I'd heard the name. I want to say I don't know if he came up in our masters. of the universe show, but I it definitely his name definitely popped up when I was doing my research. Uh worked with Canon Films, who obviously produced Masters of the Universe. Uh directed a lot of action sort of lowbudget be movie 90s ' 90s stuff. Cyborg Vanam stuff.
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Cyborg I think is probably his most wellknown, isn't it?
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I think it's his most profit able or it was anyway
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I think um I think it was his first movie that was the most profitable. Should we look this?
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Yeah, there was one called Sword and Sorcerer or something which I'm not familiar with but that seemed to do pretty well.
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Yeah. No, that was it. I was looking on Wikipedia earlier. Apparently that was his most pro profitable film and it was his first one.
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1982 The Sword and the Sorcerer.
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1982.
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it's as old as me. But I did I did read a little bit about how um Albert Pun was like one of those guys who kind of came up under Roger Corman,
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Which explains a lot. A lot of these like lowbudget guys who are really really passionate and just kind of plow ahead with these meager budgets but a ton of cool ideas. Um, a lot of them kind of have ties to Roger Corman
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in that era. Um, and I think that's so cool. Like do we have anything that's like an equivalent of that now?
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Uh, Um, probably not.
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still still Roger Corman and Tro and all those guys.
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Yeah, Lloyd Corman, maybe.
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It's still the same guy as Sarah.
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no one wants to let go of anything.
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no one wants anything new.
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Well, they'll have to eventually.
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I guess so. But it'll be the children of them, won't it?
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The Nepo generation, you mean? Maybe.
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I'm okay with it. If it's like the Nepo baby of Charles Band, I'm fine with that.
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Oh, are you?
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Yeah. That's when Nepo nepatisms allowable.
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All right. Well, we'll all follow your rules of what's okay and what's not okay then.
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Oh, what's crawled up your bum?
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He was uh attached to a link to another episode of ours. Um Albert Pium was attached to Total Recall.
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I read that 1984.
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Yeah, we I think we talked about a couple of guys that were potentially in the running to direct.
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Yeah, I was going to say, wasn't Croninberg one of them? Of course.
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Yes. Yeah. Um but I don't know if we mentioned Albert Pun cuz he's he's such a lesser known name,
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I guess. So, yeah. But he uh yeah, he was linked to it when Dino Dlerentes was going to make their version.
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And of obviously we went through the story in um in the Total Recall show, but eventually the rights ended up with Karco uh via a very convincing conversation with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Um and
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he should go into politics,
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He should go into politics. Arnold. Arnold
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if he's that convincing. Yeah.
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Yeah. He probably should give it a go. Might do all right. I don't know.
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I could not find any information about the budget for this one. I'm not surprised. I did go looking for it, but I wasn't expecting to find the answer. So, I can only uh imagine that the crew were paid in Monster Munch pickled onion flavor.
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I would say Aldi's own brand, Monster Munch. The off brandand
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which tastes Exactly the same as Monster Munch, do they?
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If you take them out of the packaging and put them in a glass bowl on uh the catering table, no one's going to know that they're not Monster Munch.
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Um No, probably not. I can't imagine there's going to be some sort of informal taste test. But yeah, they they um there can't have been a lot of money to to throw around here. I think that's pretty f****** obvious.
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Yeah, you can see that.
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Yeah. Um something about Full Moon Productions is that you say this was made in 1991. If you told me it was made in 81, I would not have battered an eyelid. I don't know what it is about these low budgets. I I obviously they were still being made on film back then, so that plays a part, but um but yeah, just everything looks like it was made a decade earlier.
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Yeah, it definitely gives it that um that nostalgia edge, I guess. But like 1991 is nostalgic anyway. for us
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but you know what I mean?
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Like a sort of borrowed nostalgia almost.
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I don't know. It just looks older than it is.
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But um but yeah, I'm guessing that's heavily linked to budget and what's available to them.
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Yeah. And 12 movies at the same time. And
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yeah. Yeah. Albert Pun seemed reasonably prolific.
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Did he?
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Okay. No shade. I I enjoyed this movie. I enjoyed Cyborg when I watched it. Um, Captain America 1990.
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I That was wild when I read that on his CV. I had no idea that that was him.
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Can I just clarify with you what prolific means? Does it mean good?
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Ah, okay. But it means plentiful.
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He worked a lot.
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And I didn't realize until I was going through his his um sort of back catalog that I actually own one of his movies on VHS.
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Do you direct robot jocks or is that Stuart Gordon?
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Um which I bought 100% for nostalgia purposes because I I I watched it a lot when I was a kid and in Hindsight, I obviously in 1993 I had no idea what Full Moon Pictures was, but looking back that would have been the first Full Moon movie that I ever saw
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It was my I had I had Cyborg on VHS and I'm sure I watched Captain America as well when I was when I was a kid, but uh That would not surprise me at all.
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maybe he was vying with James Cameron for the job. Who knows? Who would have won that? We'll never know. But yeah, that would have been interesting.
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Can't be any worse than um Spider-Man 3.
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Did you Before we put this on, did you know that Tim Thomasson was going to pop up and be in this movie?
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Um, and I He's a face that I recognize, but the only thing I know him from is Transers. Another full moon picture.
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Was he called that? Decard.
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Is not really afraid of anything or wants to show any emotions whatsoever.
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I also know him from Chances 3.
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Transers four, I believe it was in. Yeah. And there's also one called Transers 5.
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He's joking. I don't Why am I surprised it's full moon?
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I there's I I haven't seen all of them. Uh I loved transers. Chances to maybe three when I was a kid. The one that we watched, Frances one, Helen Hunt is in that, right?
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I think so. And I think she comes back for like another few, which is odd to see Helen Hunt in these cheap ass be movie uh sci-fi movies.
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It's where a lot of people start. They all start in genre pictures.
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And Um, and they are all are online. If you happen to uh move around in the world, yeah,
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you got a job where you need to be in different locations or whatever, then it's very easy to find them eventually if you have the right subscriptions.
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How else are we going to get a sponsorship done?
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Uh, is it Well, this is not the um this is not the first Tim Thomasson movie we're doing because he is in Near Dark.
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Who's he in Near Dark? He is father of Nathan Petrelli,
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Before he learns how to fly.
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Okay, this is very confusing. Adrien Pazdar. I was trying to think of the guy's name.
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Adrien Pazdar or something.
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Horse guy with hat.
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I don't know if I knew that, which is somewhat embarrassing. Considering I love Near Dark.
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No, he's not.
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What do you think of him as an actor?
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He's sort of a bit one note. He does one thing.
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I was just about to say he's very good at this role.
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it's like he has that kind of, as we said, that Harrison Ford kind of presence and he's taking it seriously, which is the thing that makes it funnier.
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Brick Bardo.
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He's Brick Bardo in this movie. Yeah.
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Um but he just because he's so straight. It does make it funnier when he's talking to a little tiny floating head something, you know? It's I like him.
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And he apparently is in Evil Bong as well.
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Apparently. Yeah.
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Oh. in a doubt.
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So, he's another like fully paid up full moon guy.
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Just just We're just doing We're just doing 18 movies this year, Tim. All right.
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I'll come.
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You'll be paid in action figures again.
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Yeah. Yeah. Some of the times you got to turn up for for um for a shoot day, but sometimes, don't worry, we'll just get someone in a wig that looks vaguely like your hair and shoot them from behind.
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But they may have a threeoot height difference. Yeah. Uh, was you expecting to see Jackie or Haley?
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Hang on. Pre What's he known for? Really?
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Nightmare on Elm Street movie.
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He's had a diverse career.
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Just playing people that that sometimes did little children.
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if you've forgotten where you are.
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He's also in Hypnotic.
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Oh, right. I haven't had the pleasure.
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That film that I've not made you watch yet,
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but I'm sure you will.
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Oh, it was brilliant.
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Yeah. Yeah. No, I was um I was lowkey shocked when I saw his name in the credits at the start. I was like, "Oh, a name I recognize." An
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Holy s***.
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Um He plays Braxton.
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He is the drug bad guy.
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He is. He's bringing some nervous David Patrick Kelly energy
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Yeah. I was also thinking of like uh who's the baddy in the mask? Was he called Dylan or something? Or Julian? I can't remember the guy's name now. He's also in Pulp Fiction Zed.
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But I got that sort of vibe from him as well. But David Patrick Kelly is a is is a better one cuz he's the OG. He's great.
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Um actually would have been better with David Patrick Kelly maybe.
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another link to um Total Recall.
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Um Debbie, the character Debbie played by Camala Lopez actually did some voice work post uh production voice work for Total Recall. Did some ADR for it. So
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as a specific character or just like bits of dialogue.
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I couldn't tell you.
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All I got on IMDb was additional voice work.
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so it could be could be a bunch of things. Could be Molina rolling down the cliffs of Mars going ah or it could have been maybe she she does a great Arnold impression that was
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Yeah, maybe that was her.
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Maybe that was her. Yeah. Or maybe she just voiced one character or maybe she was a voice of a car or something.
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I don't can tell.
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I don't no idea. Is this two weeks on the bounds
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is what?
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Because we had um the Robert Picardo connection from last week.
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What did we do last week?
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Gromlins.
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Gromlins. Thank you. Um Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was in Total Recall. Yeah, Total Recall's come up a lot. It's just I guess it's one of those because it was in production for so long
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that so many people must have come in and out of the project and we probably don't know
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a quarter of them.
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That's the new six° of Kevin Bacon. It's actually everybody's got far more connection to to Total Recall.
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Yeah. Did you um There's a guy in this called Nicholas Guest. He's at the start of the movie where we're still on the planet Aruros.
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And he's kind of like Bardau's boss. I guess he's like he's the guy who's Godamn it Board, you're a son of a b****. You'll destroy everything, but damn it if you don't get results. Not going to cut your ass to city hall.
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And I'm going to wear sunglasses also.
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Of course. Yeah,
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he's that guy.
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Um, but did you know that he is brother of David Guest?
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I didn't know that. No,
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he is brother of David Guest.
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That's fascinating. Thank you for that tidbit of information.
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Yeah, that's all I got. I wrote it down cuz I thought it was really interesting.
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I wasn't sure if I recognized the name Nicholas Guest or if I was just getting confused with Christopher Guest. Maybe
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there's too many guests.
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So, we mentioned Planet Arturus a couple of times. I do want to sort of start there if we're going to start talking about the actual movie.
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That's where the movie starts. We've got her.
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It's the first act, isn't it? And it it starts in space and you get that cool like synth music and it pans over to a red planet and that's the planet of Taurus. And we're introduced to everything that's going on there, which is a lot like Earth in a lot of ways, the way that they operate. They have a police force and we know that cuz they wear hats that say police.
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Yep. It's so It's so fortuitous that they speak English.
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Yeah, it is. It really is. Yeah. Um, there's some kind of hostage siege situation going on with a guy in a lingerette. Is he I don't know. Is he on a run? Is he robbing a lingerie? I'm not sure.
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Unclear.
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But he goes into the lingerette and he decides to tie himself to a bunch of overweight people
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and then we're just calling everyone fat for 10 minutes.
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Yeah. Why did we do that?
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Um, honestly, I don't know. It did, um, it did raise a chuckle from me just because not not in a haha, let's laugh at fat people way. In an oh my god, this is ridiculous fat phobia. Thought this was a good idea kind of a way. I
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I guess I was just more like, why is this here?
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Yeah.
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Uh, and I couldn't I've been thinking about it and I don't know. I I haven't got an answer. But there is something about because a Bardo comes in and he's calling everyone fat. The kid, there's the kid, he just keeps calling the kid fat boy for five minutes. Every other sentence that he finishes with fat boy.
451
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I mean, look, fat is merely a descriptive term.
452
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Yeah,
453
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it doesn't have to carry any negative connotations, but I feel like the way that they were utilizing it in this movie definitely carried some negative connotations.
454
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Yeah, 100%. Like that was there was no question that that's what it was the characters were intending
455
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uh to do and I just couldn't. The only thing that went through my head is that we're getting some references to size here. This is a movie where size does matter.
456
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I see.
457
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And maybe we're calling things big because
458
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later I will be small.
459
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But so there's that which is doesn't really mean anything but is it is highlighting an area that that I don't I don't know if we should be thinking about it, but we are. And also I feel like maybe if maybe some of the thought process was look let's make Bardo a bit of a dick. Let's make him like really sort of unlikable at the beginning so that later on when he gets out of his ship and he's one six the size of Jackie El Haley. He can be humbled and we can go a you silly you silly sod. There you go.
460
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Maybe maybe I don't know if you're giving this film a bit too much credit. might be. Yeah.
461
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Um I feel like 30 odd years ago, 35 years ago now, um we were still just laughing at fat people. I think that might be the extent of it. I hate to say it, but I do feel like in 1991 it was just perhaps more of the haha overweight people.
462
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Yeah, it was still about it. It was it like
463
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I mean it still is now to some degree, but a lot less thankfully.
464
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The Farad Brothers were still going to make Shallow Howell.
465
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God
466
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with Gwyneith Poutro. She's enormous.
467
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Yeah,
468
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that was so badly misjudged on all fronts
469
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and not good. Yeah. And also not funny.
470
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Not funny at all. Like stuck on you. Also not funny. Rubbish.
471
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Ricky on the other hand.
472
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Masterpiece.
473
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Yeah. When they stop laughing at people with disabilities.
474
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Yeah.
475
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That's when it becomes funny.
476
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Funny that, isn't it?
477
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Yeah.
478
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Interesting. So we uh so we get established on planet Arturus.
479
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Mhm.
480
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After that scene in the beginning, we Brick Bardo is framed, I guess, and it's in the media that he is on now on the run and they want to catch him because he's a big murderous cop. So he then gets captured by what we find out he's his arch enemy, I guess, called his nemesis.
481
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His nemesis, who is a floating head guy.
482
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Yeah.
483
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And Oh lord. When that floating head appeared on screen, I think it's probably my top five happiest moments of the year so far.
484
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Wow.
485
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Oh, it was glorious. D, how did you feel when that appeared?
486
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Um, oh, I laughed. I laughed. Boy, did I laugh.
487
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Amazing. And and and again, like going back to Thomasson, you cut to him and he's just taking it all seriously.
488
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Oh, yeah. He like he's basically giving it his all. This could be a sh experian play to him.
489
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Yeah. And I love it. And you get that little standoff and um he has he used the first time you see him use his magic um gun magnet hand where it flies towards him.
490
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Yeah.
491
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And he blows everyone away and u then there's a chase and they go through that dimensional rift and they land on Earth.
492
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I do one thing I do love about this amongst many things I do I did quite enjoy this movie.
493
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Me too.
494
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I'll say that.
495
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Me too. I I've been looking at the blue.
496
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Of course you have. Of course.
497
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I don't know whe to go for the single blue or get the box the the doll.
498
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Just get the box set. Just
499
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40 quid though.
500
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Might as well.
501
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Yeah.
502
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But will it bring you 40 quid worth of joy?
503
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Probably.
504
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Probably not. I'll probably just watch Doll Man.
505
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Well, that's a conversation for a later time perhaps. Um, but something I do really love about this movie is the kind of the ingenuity. And I know some of the techniques that they utilize aren't exactly complicated. We're not on the same level as like um using liquid mercury and prince of darkness, you know, that that sort of thing. It's more just the way things are framed to give the the suggestion of something. And that's that really it was kind of heartwarming to watch, but also hilarious. Um specifically with Spru right at the beginning, because like you say, when you just see the floating head That's clearly kind of a not great prop. I mean, for the budget, marvelous. And then it sort of cuts to the actual actor. Um, I've forgotten the guy's name, but I did recognize him from O Brother, Where Art Thou? Um, for the for the speaking parts and then the wide shots. It's just the prop again.
506
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And it's it's a kind of elementary technique, but also pretty smart.
507
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Yeah.
508
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And I really admire that. It's just like, oh, this is just a bunch of film nerds coming together and making this thing.
509
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Yeah.
510
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I don't know. I find it heartwarming. But also, I think even though the effects I'm sort of using quotation marks here, the effects work is, as I said, kind of elementary, it sort of works because of the tone of the film as well because it's clearly supposed to be funny.
511
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Yeah. I'm guessing that's like a lot of forming pictures. of that vibe though.
512
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Yeah, definitely.
513
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We we all know what we're doing. It's all a bit silly here, but we're just having a laugh.
514
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Oh, yeah. Everybody like we're all aware that we're here to have fun.
515
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Yeah. No, it feels like no one's under any illusion that they're making Jurassic Park.
516
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Yeah.
517
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Or some effects.
518
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Or even Jurassic Park 3.
519
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Yeah. Or even Jurassic Poke.
520
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Yeah.
521
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Yeah. I think the humor is pretty evident kind of from the first frame. You've got the stuff like you talked about on Arturos, just silly little things like That's spelled incorrectly.
522
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Is it?
523
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Yeah. It says laundry mat,
524
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right? Because that's an alien version of
525
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who knows
526
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clothes washing shop.
527
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Who knows? Or maybe exactly the same.
528
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No, that would be ridiculous.
529
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Maybe they just thought it was funny to misspell it.
530
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Yeah.
531
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Um you've got that sort of stuff and the the dialogue as well when they're talking about the um there's a I think it's a news broadcast and the dialogue something like there was 27 wounded and another 3.6 dead.
532
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Yeah. What were the decimals all?
533
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I don't know, but it was so funny.
534
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3.6 dead.
535
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That's not possible.
536
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1.4 of them were children. Yeah.
537
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Yeah. It's not It's not a possible calculation, but it's very funny.
538
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Yeah. It's sort of like what what I And it doesn't ever explain why they're doing that, and it doesn't make any sense, but it's just a quirk, isn't it? It's just a weird thing that they've just done.
539
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Yeah. Silliness. I just like silliness.
540
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Do you think that when they um when they get to Earth then because once they go through this rift and you see this little spaceship land in this building site
541
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that looks suspiciously like the planet Arurus.
542
00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,000
Yeah. And then we find out that we're in New York, I guess. Bronx.
543
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Yeah, I think it's South Bronx,
544
00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,000
right? And then there's just about 5 minutes of just shots from a car that are just going I don't know what the technical term is, but they're just filming along a sidewalk and then They'll zoom into someone doing a crime and then they'll zoom back out and then there's more sidewalk stuff and then it'll zoom into someone else. And it did that for a long long time.
545
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Yeah.
546
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To the point where
547
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we're like, is this just the movie now?
548
00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000
It was Yeah. To the point where it was, oh yeah, I know this technique. We're do we're establishing the city here. Fast-paced city. There's crimes going on. Great. Got it. And then 30 seconds go by and you're like, is this supposed to be this long? Then a minute goes by and you're like sort of scratching your head, maybe getting a bit bored. Then another Minute goes by and it's hilarious.
549
00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000
It's become funny again.
550
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It's really funny. Yeah. And I'm I don't know if it was intended to be funny or they were just trying to pad the run time out. My guess is that
551
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both.
552
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Yeah. But probably a bit of both.
553
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That would be my guess.
554
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Yeah.
555
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Cuz um all of that stuff that you were talking about, apart from the bits where you're like following people into shops and stuff, um was stock footage
556
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which is Yeah. what I mentioned at the start. Like
557
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you pay for it. So we got to bloody use it.
558
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Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Um, but a lot of it wasn't even the South Bronx,
559
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which just kind of makes it funny to me.
560
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Was it the North Bronx?
561
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I don't know. I'm not even sure the filmmakers know.
562
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Was it even a Bronx?
563
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Probably not. Who knows? You just mentioned the notion of padding out the run time. And that's kind of prevalent throughout the film.
564
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Yeah.
565
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For better or worse, it has some big Goth Mary's Dark Place vibes.
566
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Like anything without dialogue was considered for slow motion sort of thing.
567
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There are so many shots, establishing shots like the ones you've talked about, shots that you know, somebody's uttered a line of dialogue and there, you know, there should be a cut because you've seen films before and you know how they work and there should be a cut here, but there isn't and it just lingers for like an additional 10 seconds. And I know you talked about it potentially like you know, dipping into the realms of being boring, but it was just so funny.
568
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I don't know if any of that was intentional or not, but it was so funny. Just the lingering shots where you're like, "Please God, somebody got this. Maybe the editor was just s*** at his job. Who knows?"
569
00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000
No, I think it's just, as we were sort of discussing when we were watching it, I think it's it's it obviously super low budget. No one's got any money. They probably shot it in 3 days and they ended up with a movie that is 45 minutes long.
570
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Yeah.
571
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So, we're going to need to do something about this. They padded it out as much as they could and it's still only like an hour and 20 minutes.
572
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It's a short film. Yeah.
573
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A lot of Full Moon stuff is like under an hour these days.
574
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It's kind of nothing really. Like you've got the first third is like a proper setup to a movie, you know, a low budget silly movie, you know.
575
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Um and then it's like The bits on Earth are two scenes, three scenes. Like you've got the stuff at the flat, at the Debbie's flat, and then you've got uh back at the building site and then a bit in Braxton's warehouse.
576
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Yeah, pretty much.
577
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Pub or whatever it was. He's got a pool table that he's very upset about. But um so like if you squash all of that together, there's probably only 10 15 minutes of actual character stuff in there.
578
00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000
Yeah. Oh, definitely. Nothing happens in this film.
579
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No. really.
580
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It's the most like
581
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like who even is Braxton? Like Braxton and Debbie seem to have some sort of shared past, shared history. Debbie is worried about her kid who she's he's worried that he's going to be a gangster with Braxton and um do crime on people.
582
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Uh but the who how do they know each other? And he's just what he wants to take over the whole New York like what's going on and what is this operation? Is he selling drugs? Is he trafficking humans? Like what what is it?
583
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Unclear. here.
584
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Yeah.
585
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Unclear.
586
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But luckily, Jackie old Haley sells the s*** out of him.
587
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He's pretty good.
588
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But he um him him and his guys, they find the little floating head, don't they?
589
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And the the promise, the the little villain floating head guy, Sprung, he says, "Oh, I've got a bomb. I'll give you the bomb that can disintegrate the whole planet or something."
590
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Um send New York into another dimension. Something something.
591
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Why would you want that?
592
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I don't know. And also, it doesn't go.
593
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It's just a bomb.
594
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Yeah. Quite like more like like a grenade really. Not even a massive bomb.
595
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It just makes everything bright for about 30 seconds.
596
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But I didn't Yeah, I wasn't clear on what their shared history was.
597
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So, what you are asking for is a doll man origin story. You would like a prequel?
598
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No, I don't. I'm just curious as to why they knew each other and and what was going on there.
599
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Okay. I was going to say if you can contact Charles Ban somehow and ask for a prequel, he probably do it.
600
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Probably. There's probably one written somewhere.
601
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000
Yeah. I think it's sort of wise with films like this to just just not ask why.
602
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000
I don't think you're going to get the answers that you you will find satisfying.
603
00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000
No, this is true.
604
00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000
Just go along for the ride.
605
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000
Yeah, you have to, don't you?
606
00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000
Something that really made me laugh is when Braxton squished Spru.
607
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000
I I didn't see that coming, I don't think, either, cuz uh Braxton is nearly um dying, isn't he? He's getting shot by
608
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000
Yeah.
609
00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000
by Bardau's super magnificent universe killing gun.
610
00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000
I think so.
611
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And his skin's he's his flesh is starting to melt or whatever it is that that gun does. Brig fixes him and says, "Well, hopefully this works." And he's like, "Cheers and squashes Spug."
612
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Yeah.
613
00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000
Nixie's bomb,
614
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000
but then dies anyway. But yeah, when he when he um when he bashes his head in, there's just like just goop head goop. everywhere. So, that was that was that was fun.
615
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000
Yeah. And in keeping for the character, like,
616
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but how are we going to know he's a villain? Um, just have him squash this guy.
617
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Yeah,
618
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that'll do.
619
00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000
So, I made a note of a couple of ways that they actually kept the budget down.
620
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Obviously, we've talked about all of the stock footage that they used for the South Bronx and mystery other places, but also um a lot of the from Arurus, like the establishing shots. And that was um reused footage from Book Rogers from the um 1979 film, which might explain why it looks older than it is.
621
00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000
Right. Yeah, definitely would, wouldn't it? Actually,
622
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that would explain that would answer my question.
623
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I thought it was a TV show
624
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000
or was it both?
625
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Both.
626
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Was it a film and then a show or a show then a film?
627
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Oh, I don't know. Um the music that they used for the trailer was relevant to you. It's from Robocop. No. What? For the
628
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the the apparently
629
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they used the Robocop.
630
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Apparently
631
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what the the the score.
632
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I don't know.
633
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Look at You look livid.
634
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I need to see this trailer. I can't believe it.
635
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You look genuinely angry.
636
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I definitely would have watched this before if I'd have seen that. Wow.
637
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I mean, the the whole film is probably in the trailer. Let's be honest.
638
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Probably.
639
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You could watch the trailer instead.
640
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Yeah. The trailer is just the establishing shots of the Bronx.
641
00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000
Yeah. Yeah, there's certainly a lot of stuff that they did to to keep the budget as small as possible.
642
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Yeah,
643
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000
even if it meant begging, borrowing, and stealing from other projects.
644
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They did make that tiny um spaceship, Brick Bardau's ship. It was a really funny moment when um just after he lands and he saves Debbie from the attacking gang cuz she'd already beaten a s*** out of a couple of people earlier. I like her character actually, incidentally. But um she Yeah, Bardau rescues her and then she's like, "We got to go cuz the they're going to all the reinforcements are going to come and we're going to be in big trouble." He goes, "I'm not going anywhere." And she just picks up the ship and starts running with it and he's just cut into Tim Thomas and just sort of jiggling
645
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000
jiggling around. Yeah.
646
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Like banging his head. Really good.
647
00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000
Yeah, that stuff's really funny.
648
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000
And then she gets home and just um just pops him on the kitchen table and that's where he lives for the rest of the movie.
649
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000
Yeah. Until Well, and the whole neighborhood comes in to have a gawk game.
650
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Yeah.
651
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000
And nobody seems that non plus like they're all
652
00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000
they're all pretty chill about it.
653
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000
Everyone is everyone's reaction in this movie regardless of perspective is not what you would expect. Even with Bardau like he lands on the planet and he goes, "Oh, I hate giant ants. Oh god, these people are massive." And then just goes on about his business. And also, yeah, Bardau and everyone else, there's a tiny floating head guy. There's a small guy. fire with a gun and a spaceship. I guess I guess we know this exists now and we're going to use it to our benefit.
654
00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000
I mean, you couldn't make this film now cuz it' just be a bunch of influencers going, "Film it for Tik Tok."
655
00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000
Yeah.
656
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000
It' be very different movie.
657
00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000
Yeah.
658
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000
They say the title in this movie quite a lot as well.
659
00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000
Well, Bard um not Bard Braxton comes up with a name for him, doesn't he? Calls him the doll man cuz he's small.
660
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000
Cuz he's tiny.
661
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000
Yeah.
662
00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000
Yeah. But they say the title quite a lot.
663
00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000
They do.
664
00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000
You could um you could turn it into quite a brutal drinking game if you wanted to
665
00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000
uh have a shot every time they say dull man.
666
00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000
Yeah.
667
00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000
Yeah. No, you'd be wanker.
668
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000
Yeah, exactly.
669
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000
Not after 10 minutes cuz they don't say it probably until about the 20 minute mark when they land on Earth. But yeah, but then that's practically all they're saying for the next hour.
670
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000
Did you know that Albert Pon was so attached to the name Brickbardo? There's also a Brick Bardau in Cyborg.
671
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000
I think I heard somewhere that he tries to put it in that name in all of his movies really
672
00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000
or Yeah. Or maybe it was just the other one. But yeah, I had heard he for some reason is really married to that name.
673
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000
I mean,
674
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000
brick.
675
00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000
Do you know what it makes? I was going to say, do you know what it makes me think of, but you
676
00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000
Joseph Gordon Levit?
677
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000
No, but you
678
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000
Steve Carell.
679
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000
No, you're just naming movies and characters named Brick now, aren't you?
680
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000
Yeah.
681
00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000
There's a brick in Borderlands.
682
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000
Yes. Um, no. It makes me think of So, there's um a Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode on the movie Space Mun, and there's a really famous clip where they're running through like
683
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000
examples of really macho names.
684
00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000
Oh, I remember you told me this.
685
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000
Smash Law. Um, it just makes me think of one of those cuz it would be so in keeping if they were just like Brick Bardau.
686
00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000
Yeah.
687
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000
And that killed me. Oh, it's a cool name.
688
00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000
What? Brick Bardo. Yeah, it's fun. I like alliteration.
689
00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000
Love the alliteration. Yeah. Well, it's cuz it's called brick. And it's like, what is a brick? Well, it's quite strong, isn't it? You can throw a brick at someone's face and they won't be happy about it.
690
00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000
But you could throw a doll man at someone's face and it wouldn't ruin their day in the same way a brick would.
691
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000
If it was this doll, man, you could.
692
00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000
Yeah,
693
00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000
cuz that gun means business.
694
00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000
But if you if you take that gun away from him, he's not. It's I mean, you're just going to
695
00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000
Oh, he's dead immediately.
696
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000
Yeah.
697
00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,000
You just step on him.
698
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,000
He's a very powerful weapon. He's lucky he's got it.
699
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000
Yeah, maybe they'll explore that in the sequels.
700
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000
Maybe.
701
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000
So, you have to watch them now. Um, also, this was filmed back to back with Arcade.
702
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000
Oh, really?
703
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,000
So, now, um, once we finish recording, we have to dig out my VHS tape and we have to watch Arcade and listen out for a potential character called Brick Bard.
704
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,000
Okay. See, I mean, we can do that if you like.
705
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000
Maybe. Maybe. There's going to be a tiny Tim Thomasson in the background of a shot somewhere.
706
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000
There might be. Yeah, there might be.
707
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000
Something else that I really liked about this film that like the thematically I do find
708
00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000
thematically in Dolman.
709
00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000
Go on.
710
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000
Well, I was going to say like Full Moon as a whole um much like companies like Troma, they're quite punk rock. Everything is very DIY. by it's all shoestring budget. It's all, you know, make it yourself, do what you can. And I there's something I love about that because they're not they don't have the same restrictions as studio pictures do like the the huge studios obviously. Um they're not contractually obliged to to do certain things. And I think I sort of really like the freedom that comes with that because they get to do mad s***. it like this, like make a character that's just a head and film it so it looks sort of passible but hilarious at the same time. Um, I don't know. I I I love that. But also in keeping with that, I think this film has a very um aab messaging,
711
00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000
right,
712
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000
which I loved.
713
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000
I didn't see that. How did you What What gives you that impression?
714
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000
Because bricks sort of disillusioned with the police force on our tourists and the police in the South Bronx.
715
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000
They won't let in people.
716
00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000
Yeah, cuz the cops are s***.
717
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000
Yeah, I understand where you're going with this. Yeah.
718
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000
And in in the South Bronx, they're just ineb
719
00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000
non-existent. Where were they?
720
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000
Well, but precisely, but um Debbie was having to start her own sort of neighborhood watch.
721
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And there was the the the
722
00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000
like the mayor or some sort politician. or something. Was there just like well you know we can't really do anything.
723
00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000
Yeah.
724
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000
It's like ah a likely story funding something something funding
725
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000
something something funding maybe something something we are in the Robocop universe and I work for OCP and we want this area to be screwed over and lots of crime so we can buy it cheap gentrify it and then move you all out to the gutter.
726
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000
That's blown my mind. I want to watch this again with with the fact that might be in the Robocop universe in my head.
727
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000
Let's watch them back to back.
728
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000
Oh yeah. I mean, if you want to watch Robocop, then I'm doubting you.
729
00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000
How about Robocop 3?
730
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000
No. But we've got to watch Arcade, though. We got to watch Arcade.
731
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,000
That's true. That's true. But yeah, I don't know. Something about that is just very punk rock to me. I respect it.
732
00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000
I I thought that I honestly thought that you were going to start coming up with themes that are in this movie, and I was like, "Oh, yeah, cool. I didn't know." Cuz I kept trying to make masculinity work. Something about the um portrayal like silliness of it being big and thinking yourself strong and mro and then getting shrunk and what that means. But I really couldn't come up with any
733
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000
I mean
734
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000
any thought any linear thoughts that make any sense apart from
735
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000
that makes sense to me though.
736
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000
Yeah. But I I don't think there's any commentary. I think it's just going
737
00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000
Well, but that is the commentary. Is it?
738
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000
Yeah. Mocking stupid masculinity.
739
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000
A big a big brave soldier killer guy just humbled because now he's been shrunk.
740
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000
Yeah, like a massive weapon.
741
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000
Yeah, but but the weapon itself is like a phallic extension of him.
742
00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000
True.
743
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000
And he's useless without it. You just pointed that out.
744
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000
Yeah, true.
745
00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000
So maybe there's more to that than you thought.
746
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000
Yeah, maybe it's a masterpiece. I don't know. No one's giving it a fair shake.
747
00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000
Yeah,
748
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000
there'll be kids will be writing about this in 100 years time, this movie. I think so. Yeah, it's going to be textbooks about it.
749
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000
Yeah,
750
00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000
it'll be part of some really important thesis thesis. Thesises thesisi.
751
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000
Yeah, one of those probably.
752
00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000
I don't know what the plural is.
753
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000
People will be visiting uh child's band's house
754
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000
going, "Yeah, this is where he was born. This is where he wrote Dole Man in this in this chair here.
755
00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000
His whole estate is just going to be turned into puppet world."
756
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000
Yeah, I'd go.
757
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,000
I would 100% go.
758
00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000
Yeah. So, it's not a perfect movie by any stretch.
759
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000
Not a perfect movie. No.
760
00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000
But I would be okay with this being remade.
761
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000
Yeah.
762
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000
Maybe not in Full Moon's hands. Like, give it a bit of a bigger budget.
763
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000
Oh, really?
764
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000
But keep the keep the humor, keep the tone, ditch the fat phobia, perhaps.
765
00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000
Yeah.
766
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000
But um but I would be interested to see that.
767
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000
I'd watch it.
768
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000
I think that's where we should be putting our money, our money, studio money. In terms of remakes, pick things that showed promise but didn't quite hit the mark first time round. Don't remake stuff that was already a classic.
769
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000
Yeah.
770
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000
Um like Garbage Pill Kids, remake that.
771
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000
I don't know about it.
772
00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000
Mac and Me. I don't know. You're not selling me.
773
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000
I I'd be up for a remake of this. I I um really It's It holds a weird space in my head because it's simultaneously a really good idea. for a film, but also really stupid. Yeah.
774
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000
Like the fact that on on another planet things, you know, size size is is relative
775
00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000
and it is something I thought about before like just because we're a certain size and we inter like and we see
776
00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000
we're talking about aliens and things and ships like why do you think that they're going to be invisible to us like maybe they'll be so small we can't see them or so big that
777
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000
they just we're nothing. They can't see us. I don't know.
778
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000
Um
779
00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000
so the yeah the idea is is is pretty interesting and funny and I would definitely watch a reboot of it, but I'd be I would be tempted to keep it proper low budget though.
780
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000
When you say a bigger budget, are you talking like 250 million big blockbuster budget or are you talking like mid-range or sort of or even low like 10 10 5 10 million?
781
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000
Where are you?
782
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000
No, I'm not I'm not talking like oh it's a doll movie. Let's give it to Greta Gerwig. Let's put it in the Barbie universe. Barbie and Doll Man.
783
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000
Yeah,
784
00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000
I don't mean that. Um, maybe like Yeah, keep it on the lower budget end. Maybe give it to somebody like M Blair, the guy who did well, he's
785
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000
collaborated with like Jeremy Sier. He's he's kind of paid his dues, an independent film, but he
786
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000
Blue Ruin.
787
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's um primarily an actor, but he's directed um a couple of things like uh I I don't feel at home in this world anymore. I think it was called the one with Melanie Linsky and Elijah Wood and also the Toxic Avenger remake.
788
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000
Oh, the new one with Dinklage.
789
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000
And that's kind of what put me in mind for him for a project like this.
790
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000
Yeah, that's a good shout actually. Yeah,
791
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000
I would like to see that because he gets the silliness
792
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000
that
793
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000
of stuff like this.
794
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000
Toxic Avenger movie definitely nailed that um fun silliness, didn't it? And the humor it didn't it went It was pretty stupid as well.
795
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000
So dumb. So dumb, but it was entertaining.
796
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000
Yeah. I'd love to see somebody like him take a crack at it.
797
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000
All right. So, you've nailed the director. We're doing a reboot, are we? And you want the director to be making Blair.
798
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000
I Yeah, I would pay human pounds to go and see that.
799
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000
Do you keep Charles Band on as um executive producer or do you want him to just not be involved at all?
800
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000
Oo, that's a good question. No, I think Charles B's got enough on his plate. He's
801
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000
very busy man.
802
00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,000
He's doing Puppet Master 217 or whatever. Yeah. Fresh fresh set of eyes on it. What about you?
803
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000
Would I keep Charles Band around? Yeah, definitely. You would? Yeah.
804
00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000
It's his baby.
805
00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000
Okay.
806
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000
I want it to be I want it.
807
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000
Well, now I feel bad.
808
00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000
Okay, fair enough.
809
00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000
Who would you cast as Brick Bardau?
810
00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000
As Bardo?
811
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000
Yeah.
812
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000
I am The obvious answer to me with all questions like this is Dave Batista. because he's funny, he's massive, he or he was massive. He's not he's not as big as he used to be, I guess. Um, but he has that kind of dead pan. He can do that dead pan stoic, I'm hard as nails, uh, I'm the straight guy kind of thing. But I I didn't want to go with the obvious answer, so I just went with um Scott Atkins.
813
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000
So, it's going to be a tiny guy that kicks people in the head.
814
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,000
Yeah.
815
00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000
Okay.
816
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000
And and but also like visually, I thought that would be quite funny like him just doing a uh a roundhouse kick at someone but it just connects with their knee and it really hurts them and they're like ow and he still takes people but he's not just relying on a gun.
817
00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000
I think they could be the visuals there could be kind of amusing I guess.
818
00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000
Okay, I don't hate that.
819
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000
Who would you put in that?
820
00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000
I don't know. I think you were kind of on to something with the wrestlers. Maybe John Cena could do it just cuz I think his his sort of I don't know if I would call it dead pan as such but he's got that delivery down where he can do straightfaced
821
00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000
and a little bit mean but it's still really funny.
822
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000
Yeah, when you said um going to keep with the wrestlers I was thinking what like Brett the Hitman.
823
00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000
Preferably not.
824
00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000
No, it's the only wrestler I know.
825
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000
Hulk Hogan. We literally talked about him last week.
826
00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000
Hulk Hogan.
827
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000
I mean it would have to be an alive wrestler that does complicate things.
828
00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000
Yeah, you would they probably need to be alive. Yeah.
829
00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000
Yeah.
830
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000
Would you Who would you recast as Braxton?
831
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000
Uh as Braxton I I I was torn between Dan Stevens.
832
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,000
Okay.
833
00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000
Cuz just put him in anything.
834
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000
Doing an accent.
835
00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000
Doing an accent. Do what you like. Give him a role and he can just do whatever he wants.
836
00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000
Okay.
837
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000
That's my rationale behind that.
838
00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,000
Or um or Josh Lawson who played Kano in the Mortal Kombat new Mortal Kombat movies.
839
00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,000
Okay. Just cuz I mean, and again, I just want him to be the same character, I think.
840
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000
Yeah. I was going to say he'd have to have the Australian accent.
841
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000
Yeah. And just be KO again, except you haven't got a laser eye.
842
00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000
But he would be calling everybody a c***.
843
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000
Yeah. That's all right. That's all right. Was not
844
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000
No, I'm I'm saying that's maybe maybe the delivery of that line.
845
00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,000
Yeah.
846
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000
Didn't convey my uh my meaning. I meant that as a positive thing,
847
00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000
right?
848
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000
It's what the Australians do, right? It's a term of endearment.
849
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000
Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I like that shout.
850
00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000
Have you got anyone for um for Braxton?
851
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000
For the villain, you think
852
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000
I don't know. I quite like that.
853
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000
Yeah,
854
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000
I've only seen Josh Law Lawson in two movies and he's very different in both of them, but I see the vision with Kano.
855
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000
I thought you was going to say I've seen Josh Lawson in two movies, Mortal Kombat 1 and Mortal Kombat 2.
856
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000
I've seen Josh Lawson in three movies.
857
00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,000
Okay.
858
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000
Two of which were Mortal Kombats.
859
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,000
So, you think Lawson over Stevens?
860
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000
I do. I see that more and I love Dan Stevens. But
861
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000
even though Dan Stevens is going to be uh the new Alex Murphy,
862
00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000
I love that.
863
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Yeah,
864
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I'm very interested in that casting.
865
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God, everything all roads lead back to Robocop with you, don't they?
866
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Yeah. Yeah. Or Total Recall.
867
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Or Total Recall. Yeah.
868
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I um the one that I was struggling with a little bit is Debbie.
869
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Mhm.
870
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I didn't really know who to cast with Debbie uh for Debbie and also what to do about her son, her kid. Like, how are we going to play that story line out in my in my reboot?
871
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Mhm.
872
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Um, who's the director again? I've forgotten. Who's who we getting to direct this? Oh,
873
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uh, M Blair.
874
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M Blair. That's it. M Blair's um, Doll Man re. Um, I in the end I went for Journey Smlet. Is that how you pronounce her name?
875
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Okay. Yeah, I believe so.
876
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Yeah, she was in Smoke.
877
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Um, really enjoyed her in that. Um, I also had Isaac Gonzalez and I also had Florence Pew. But then they didn't stand out to me. I was just sort of naming people that I think are quite good and quite like at the moment.
878
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Yeah, I love Florence Pew, but I don't see her in this role.
879
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Yeah, it didn't. It was just that was the kind of first person I thought of and I was struggling a bit,
880
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but I also had to kind of make that character work with the kid and who can I cast as a kid that you're going to believe is the that parent, you know,
881
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and I couldn't think of any like the kids were like I was like, "Name me uh uh between seven and 12 year old kid that's really good at acting at the moment.
882
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No,
883
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exactly. And I was all over Google trying to find someone. I couldn't. So I thought, well, okay, you got to cast cast older then and say they're like 15.
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Okay.
885
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So I was like, well, Deafany Keane, she's 21, but you could say she's 15.
886
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Um Alfie Williams is 15 years old, so you just, you know, 28 years later, you just make him 15 instead of eight or whatever that character is. in the movie. Um, and I didn't like any of that. So, I just decided that the kid is dead in this reboot.
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Okay.
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Um,
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so you've gone a little bit darker.
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Yeah. But then also um
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as a result of gang violence.
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As a result of gang violence. And then the mom Debbie when she finds Bardo who is um Scott Atkins I think we went with and Jon Smlet and Scott Atkins they kind of team up.
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Okay.
894
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And they become and it sort of is more of a buddy. cop situation than what it is.
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Okay.
896
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Currently, so that was my solution to that. And I've got one more left. Uh Sprung.
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Yes,
898
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Spug. Um I was thinking Cory Stall in a redo floating head guy.
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Um but I thought I thought that was a bit silly in um so in the end I just went for Jay Leno.
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Right. You thought Corey Stall was a bit silly. Yeah.
901
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Right. Um I prefer Cory Stall.
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Do you?
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To Jay Leno.
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He could do it, I think.
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Do you?
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Yeah. And he wants another go.
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Okay.
908
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What do you What do you reckon on those? You got any got any problems with those or
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I don't have any problems. I like I like Journey Smlet a lot. I think that's a really good show.
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I only know her from Smoke. That's the only thing I know her from, but she was a sitcom person for for a while apparently. Yeah.
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I She was a child actor. She was in um Oh, what's it called? We watched it about a year or two ago.
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Smoke.
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No, we did watch Smoke.
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Um, no, she was in it as a child.
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Like really famous kind of all black southern gothic horror movie.
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Oh, Eve's bio. Yeah.
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Eves bio. Yeah.
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Godamn my permenopausal brain. Total brain fart on that one. Yeah. So, she's been in the industry for a long time. Um, and she's kind of great.
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She was Um, forgotten the character name, but uh, she was in Holly Quinn, the Birds of Prey.
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Oh, Birds of Prey. She was in that, was she?
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Something Canary,
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right? Oh, interesting. I don't remember her in that.
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Yeah,
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I just I I liked her character in Smoke and she had that kind of fun, not fun, that like um,
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she's feisty.
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Feisty, aggressive toughness. Yeah. That I thought
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could be fun. Maybe they're trying to outtuff each other, her and Bardo. I like it.
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And they're just going to town vigilante style on on bad guys. Um but it's still funny.
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I like it a lot.
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Yeah. Thanks.
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Okay. I would watch that. That would get me to part with my money. So that's about it for Dolman.
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It's our wrap on Dolman. Is it?
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I think so.
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Sarah, we've only got one episode left in this season.
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We do.
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And we're um next week we're going to return to Joe Ee,
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we've only had a week off from him.
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I know. This was completely by accident and I didn't know it until it was locked in and we' done the the the pictures for it and the promotional stuff for the for the season.
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Uh I sort of looked at it and went, "Oh yeah, we've done we're doing two Joe Don movies this season." But it's okay cuz the other one's Inner Space, which is the best one.
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Of course it's Inner Space.
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Yeah, of course it is.
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And since last week, we've also seen The Howling. So we've got more Dante draw from.
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Good. Yeah. This be our first Martin Short film. I think
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that's insane.
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It's mad really considering how much I like Martin Shaw.
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Like or love.
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Love.
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Exactly.
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Adore. He's my favorite.
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Yes.
951
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Um unlike the other guy that's in this who's Why have I blanked on his name? Dennis
952
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Quad.
953
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Dennis Quaid. Yeah. I was thinking Dennis and I was like that doesn't seem right.
954
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This is not our first Dennis Quaid movie.
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No, it's not. No. Like our third little fourth, I think. Yeah. Last last episode of the season next week in space.
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Hello and welcome to Shoot the Hostage with me, Dan, and my partner, Sarah. We're a movie podcast and we cover eight films per season based on a specific theme. It is worth noting that we do occasionally swear, open brackets, very often swear, close brackets. We also occasionally cover triggering topics, so we would always advise using listener discretion and probably don't listen around your kids. If you like what we do and want to support us, please consider hitting five stars on Spotify or maybe subscribing or even reviewing on your platform of choice. Uh we also have a Patreon with a free tier for lineups and updates and two paid tiers with extra content and early adree episodes. Right, that's enough from me. On with the show. We're back again, Sarah. It's another episode in Size Doesn't Matter season. It's the penultimate one.
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I was waiting for you to say it's the penny.
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It's the penny. I didn't want to force it.
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Now you choose now not to force it.
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Yeah. I don't want to labor a joke. I wouldn't want to do that.
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Never.
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Not that that's a joke. Making a word shorter.
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Um, no. I wouldn't call that a joke. That's just a quirk.
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It's a quirk. Yeah.
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It's a weird idiosyncrasy of yours.
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Uh, today we're heading to 1991. Sarah, what do you remember about 1991? I'm going to tell you.
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You're going to tell me what I remember. That's very presumptuous of you.
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Okay. 1991. What What comes out of your brain?
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Not a lot. It was a long time ago. Let's be honest.
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What was what was what was relevant? What what in 1991 would you remember and go, "Oh, yeah. That was a thing that existed."
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Prime school.
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Cool. Yeah, that still exists now.
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School dinners,
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I believe. Yeah.
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Yeah. I'm just talking about specific to me. That's what I remember about 1991.
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Sequest DSV.
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Hell yeah.
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Yeah. Talking
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I was going to say talking donuts. No,
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but I think what I meant to say was talking dolphins.
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Uh yeah, Darwin was pretty smart.
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Yeah, I used that was it was um a bright spot on my Sunday evenings.
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Do you remember global hyperolor t-shirts?
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Of course. Of course I do.
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Did you have one?
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No.
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Do you remember scratch and sniff t-shirts?
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I do, but I didn't have one of those either.
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Oh, I had a banana one.
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Oh, I never got cool stuff. My parents were just like, I'm not spending money on that.
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Magic Eye pictures.
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Can't do them cuz I've got a straismas.
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Do you remember 20p tubs of hair gel that you'd get from news agents?
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Um, in you just get half the pot and just chuck it on your head. Dollop.
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I I fear that is more of a male experience.
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Is it?
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I didn't do that.
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Fair enough. Uh, one last question. Do you remember the 1991 movie Dolman directed by Albert Pun?
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I only remember it because we watched it about a week ago, but prior to that, no. I certainly was not aware of this in 1991 or 2001 or 2011.
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Had you when had you have first heard of this then? Wasn't for the show. You you
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Yes, it was.
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Was it?
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Yeah, it was when We went there's this movie called Doll Man that's on my uh preliminary list that I might do and you told me the synopsis and I was like that has to go on there.
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Yeah. Where was my exact experience as well? I spent a long time trying to get this lineup right and some would argue that I never achieved that.
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I think it's been fun.
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Yeah. I there's a couple in there that I would probably in retrospect not do now.
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I think tiptoes should be wiped off the planet.
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It's the main one I'm thinking of.
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Yeah.
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Um but yeah, when I saw the synopsis was like yeah that's going on a list. It's a It's directed by Albert Pun which who we mentioned but it's also produced by Charles Band and he he is he is Full Moon Pictures right that's his production company
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I believe so I should know that shouldn't I yeah I think it is I look Charles Band and Full Moon are synonymous to me
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yeah
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and that's come from somewhere so yes let's go with yes
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and the fact that it was produced by Charles Band who has a ponchant for things.
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Murderous little things. Specifically,
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naughty little toy things. Naughty little space people from the planet Arourus.
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Well, yeah. Specifically in this case, it's a tiny dirty Harry.
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It's a tiny dirty Harry chasing a tiny floating head guy.
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Sure.
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Throughout dimensional drift rift drifts. Rift.
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Spoog.
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Spru. Yeah. There's a lot of things I wasn't expecting to see in this movie.
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Yeah. Same.
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It was joyous. But Charles So Charles B. So, he's primarily the little monster horror guy, right?
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He just likes little guys.
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He's uh Is it the puppet masters his thing?
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Yeah.
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Is that the thing that he's most kind of associated with? Cuz there are 13 of those,
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I guess. So, I mean, Puppet Master is quite a well-known franchise at this point, but Full Moon have many franchises. There's uh Ginger Dead Man,
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of course. Yeah,
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there's several of those.
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Uh I Gary was only involved in the first one though, I think.
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Well, they couldn't get Booy back,
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I think. So, um, what else? Evil Bong. There's quite a few of those now.
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Demonic Toys.
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We've all seen those.
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Uh, Killjoy, the Killer Clown movies they did.
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Yeah, we've all heard of those.
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Yeah, Full Moon have fingers in a lot of pies and they're mostly s***. The pies are mostly made of s***, are they?
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But there are some absolute gems.
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But it seems like from what I've seen in my research, it seems like band was drawn to small things primarily from for budget reasons.
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That would make sense. Okay.
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Less materials. I don't know.
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Yeah,
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you can just rent a warehouse and just shoot for a day. I guess
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that makes total sense actually. Or in this case, not rent a warehouse and just find an abandoned construction site and just film everything there.
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Yeah. All of your set pieces are there.
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Yeah.
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It functions as two planets.
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Yeah. And then everything else is stock footage that's not even from where it's supposed to be.
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I think so. Yeah. Oh, right. Is that a fact?
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Yeah. Right. Okay.
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Some of it. Anyway. Um but yeah, Charles Band. It's a funny one cuz I've always been drawn to full movies or I full movies full moon movies.
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Um or I used to be at least because even the really s*** ones are generally quite fun. I see Full Moon as like the TK Maxx of the movie industry.
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Mostly s***.
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You have to dig through a lot of s*** to find the kernels of genius.
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If you're there for an hour scraping through the racks.
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Yeah, precisely.
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You might find a Sergio Tini short.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to nod and smile and pretend I know what that is. But yeah, exactly that.
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Was it I mean, he's got 284 EP credits.
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Wow.
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According to Letterbox this afternoon,
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so Busy busy man.
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Yeah, I would say busy man, but I think most of his movies take about a week to produce.
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True.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm uh being a bit mean there and underelling what he does. I think I think he's got um an important place in the industry.
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Yeah, it's a it's it is what it is. It's a And I've seen obviously Dole Man and you've we watched the puppet masters. only watched the first one. And we watched Puppet Master versus Demonic Toys.
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Did we?
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We did.
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Okay.
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So, you're not as well verssed?
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No.
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In the Full Moon. The Full Moonverse. The Full Moon. See you.
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That's canon.
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Yeah. No, it is a There's There's this box set, isn't there? The The Doll Man versus Demonic Toys box set.
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I was quite surprised to see such a fancy box set, actually.
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Yeah. It's I mean, it's tempting. I mean, Yeah, Dolman was fun and I haven't seen a bunch of the others.
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There was years ago there was a really really nice um puppet master box set. I think it was only available in the States and I'm constantly kicking myself for not buying that cuz it looked like the the case that the puppets actually came in.
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I think so. And I think she comes back for like another few, which is odd to see Helen Hunt in these cheap ass be movie uh sci-fi movies.
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It's where a lot of people start. They all start in genre pictures.
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And Um, and they are all are online. If you happen to uh move around in the world, yeah,
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you got a job where you need to be in different locations or whatever, then it's very easy to find them eventually if you have the right subscriptions.
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Before he learns how to fly.
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And it's it's very they're very similar characters. You understand?
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Yeah.
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Um but he just because he's so straight. It does make it funnier when he's talking to a little tiny floating head something, you know? It's I like him.
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And he apparently is in Evil Bong as well.
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Is he?
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Apparently. Yeah.
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Oh. in a doubt.
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So, he's another like fully paid up full moon guy.
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Yeah.
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A
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Yeah, I guess so. On the payroll.
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Yeah. Probably get salary.
363
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Just just We're just doing We're just doing 18 movies this year, Tim. All right.
364
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I'll come.
365
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You'll be paid in action figures again.
366
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Yeah. Yeah. Some of the times you got to turn up for for um for a shoot day, but sometimes, don't worry, we'll just get someone in a wig that looks vaguely like your hair and shoot them from behind.
367
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But they may have a threeoot height difference. Yeah. Uh, was you expecting to see Jackie or Haley?
368
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No.
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A pre
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Hang on. Pre What's he known for? Really?
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Watchmen.
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Yeah, it's mostly Watchmen and the
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Nightmare on Elm Street.
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Nightmare on Elm Street movie.
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Yeah, it's a film called Little Children where he plays a pedophile.
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He's had a diverse career.
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Um,
378
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just playing bad dudes.
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Just playing people that that sometimes did little children.
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Yeah. I mean, I was trying to think of a way more sensitive way of putting it, but
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but yeah,
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if you've forgotten where you are.
383
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He's also in Hypnotic.
384
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Oh, right. I haven't had the pleasure.
385
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That film that I've not made you watch yet,
386
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but I'm sure you will.
387
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Oh, it was brilliant.
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Yeah. Yeah. No, I was um I was lowkey shocked when I saw his name in the credits at the start. I was like, "Oh, a name I recognize." An
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actor. Yeah.
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Holy s***.
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Um He plays Braxton.
392
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Yes.
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He is the drug bad guy.
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He is. He's bringing some nervous David Patrick Kelly energy
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to the mix.
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Yeah. I was also thinking of like uh who's the baddy in the mask? Was he called Dylan or something? Or Julian? I can't remember the guy's name now. He's also in Pulp Fiction Zed.
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But I got that sort of vibe from him as well. But David Patrick Kelly is a is is a better one cuz he's the OG. He's great.
398
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Um actually would have been better with David Patrick Kelly maybe.
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I think most things would
400
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another link to um Total Recall.
401
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Okay.
402
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Um Debbie, the character Debbie played by Camala Lopez actually did some voice work post uh production voice work for Total Recall. Did some ADR for it. So
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okay,
404
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lots of links
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as a specific character or just like bits of dialogue.
406
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I couldn't tell you.
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Okay.
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All I got on IMDb was additional voice work.
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Ah,
410
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so it could be could be a bunch of things. Could be Molina rolling down the cliffs of Mars going ah or it could have been maybe she she does a great Arnold impression that was
411
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Yeah, maybe that was her.
412
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Maybe that was her. Yeah. Or maybe she just voiced one character or maybe she was a voice of a car or something.
413
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I don't can tell.
414
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I don't no idea. Is this two weeks on the bounds
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is what?
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Because we had um the Robert Picardo connection from last week.
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What did we do last week?
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Gromlins.
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Gromlins. Thank you. Um Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was in Total Recall. Yeah, Total Recall's come up a lot. It's just I guess it's one of those because it was in production for so long
420
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that so many people must have come in and out of the project and we probably don't know
421
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a quarter of them.
422
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That's the new six° of Kevin Bacon. It's actually everybody's got far more connection to to Total Recall.
423
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Yeah. Did you um There's a guy in this called Nicholas Guest. He's at the start of the movie where we're still on the planet Aruros.
424
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Yeah.
425
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And he's kind of like Bardau's boss. I guess he's like he's the guy who's Godamn it Board, you're a son of a b****. You'll destroy everything, but damn it if you don't get results. Not going to cut your ass to city hall.
426
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Okay.
427
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And I'm going to wear sunglasses also.
428
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Of course. Yeah,
429
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he's that guy.
430
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Right.
431
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Um, but did you know that he is brother of David Guest?
432
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I didn't know that. No,
433
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he is brother of David Guest.
434
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That's fascinating. Thank you for that tidbit of information.
435
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Yeah, that's all I got. I wrote it down cuz I thought it was really interesting.
436
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I wasn't sure if I recognized the name Nicholas Guest or if I was just getting confused with Christopher Guest. Maybe
437
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there's too many guests.
438
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So, we mentioned Planet Arturus a couple of times. I do want to sort of start there if we're going to start talking about the actual movie.
439
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That's where the movie starts. We've got her.
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It's the first act, isn't it? And it it starts in space and you get that cool like synth music and it pans over to a red planet and that's the planet of Taurus. And we're introduced to everything that's going on there, which is a lot like Earth in a lot of ways, the way that they operate. They have a police force and we know that cuz they wear hats that say police.
441
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Yep. It's so It's so fortuitous that they speak English.
442
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Yeah, it is. It really is. Yeah. Um, there's some kind of hostage siege situation going on with a guy in a lingerette. Is he I don't know. Is he on a run? Is he robbing a lingerie? I'm not sure.
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Unclear.
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But he goes into the lingerette and he decides to tie himself to a bunch of overweight people
445
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and then we're just calling everyone fat for 10 minutes.
446
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Yeah. Why did we do that?
447
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Um, honestly, I don't know. It did, um, it did raise a chuckle from me just because not not in a haha, let's laugh at fat people way. In an oh my god, this is ridiculous fat phobia. Thought this was a good idea kind of a way. I
448
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I guess I was just more like, why is this here?
449
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Yeah.
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Uh, and I couldn't I've been thinking about it and I don't know. I I haven't got an answer. But there is something about because a Bardo comes in and he's calling everyone fat. The kid, there's the kid, he just keeps calling the kid fat boy for five minutes. Every other sentence that he finishes with fat boy.
451
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I mean, look, fat is merely a descriptive term.
452
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Yeah,
453
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it doesn't have to carry any negative connotations, but I feel like the way that they were utilizing it in this movie definitely carried some negative connotations.
454
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Yeah, 100%. Like that was there was no question that that's what it was the characters were intending
455
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uh to do and I just couldn't. The only thing that went through my head is that we're getting some references to size here. This is a movie where size does matter.
456
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I see.
457
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And maybe we're calling things big because
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later I will be small.
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But so there's that which is doesn't really mean anything but is it is highlighting an area that that I don't I don't know if we should be thinking about it, but we are. And also I feel like maybe if maybe some of the thought process was look let's make Bardo a bit of a dick. Let's make him like really sort of unlikable at the beginning so that later on when he gets out of his ship and he's one six the size of Jackie El Haley. He can be humbled and we can go a you silly you silly sod. There you go.
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Maybe maybe I don't know if you're giving this film a bit too much credit. might be. Yeah.
461
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Um I feel like 30 odd years ago, 35 years ago now, um we were still just laughing at fat people. I think that might be the extent of it. I hate to say it, but I do feel like in 1991 it was just perhaps more of the haha overweight people.
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Yeah, it was still about it. It was it like
463
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I mean it still is now to some degree, but a lot less thankfully.
464
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The Farad Brothers were still going to make Shallow Howell.
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God
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with Gwyneith Poutro. She's enormous.
467
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Yeah,
468
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that was so badly misjudged on all fronts
469
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and not good. Yeah. And also not funny.
470
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Not funny at all. Like stuck on you. Also not funny. Rubbish.
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Ricky on the other hand.
472
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Masterpiece.
473
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Yeah. When they stop laughing at people with disabilities.
474
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Yeah.
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That's when it becomes funny.
476
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Funny that, isn't it?
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Yeah.
478
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Interesting. So we uh so we get established on planet Arturus.
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Mhm.
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After that scene in the beginning, we Brick Bardo is framed, I guess, and it's in the media that he is on now on the run and they want to catch him because he's a big murderous cop. So he then gets captured by what we find out he's his arch enemy, I guess, called his nemesis.
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His nemesis, who is a floating head guy.
482
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Yeah.
483
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And Oh lord. When that floating head appeared on screen, I think it's probably my top five happiest moments of the year so far.
484
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Wow.
485
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Oh, it was glorious. D, how did you feel when that appeared?
486
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Um, oh, I laughed. I laughed. Boy, did I laugh.
487
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Amazing. And and and again, like going back to Thomasson, you cut to him and he's just taking it all seriously.
488
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Oh, yeah. He like he's basically giving it his all. This could be a sh experian play to him.
489
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Yeah. And I love it. And you get that little standoff and um he has he used the first time you see him use his magic um gun magnet hand where it flies towards him.
490
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Yeah.
491
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And he blows everyone away and u then there's a chase and they go through that dimensional rift and they land on Earth.
492
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I do one thing I do love about this amongst many things I do I did quite enjoy this movie.
493
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Me too.
494
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I'll say that.
495
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Me too. I I've been looking at the blue.
496
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Of course you have. Of course.
497
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I don't know whe to go for the single blue or get the box the the doll.
498
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Just get the box set. Just
499
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40 quid though.
500
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Might as well.
501
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Yeah.
502
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But will it bring you 40 quid worth of joy?
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Probably.
504
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Probably not. I'll probably just watch Doll Man.
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Well, that's a conversation for a later time perhaps. Um, but something I do really love about this movie is the kind of the ingenuity. And I know some of the techniques that they utilize aren't exactly complicated. We're not on the same level as like um using liquid mercury and prince of darkness, you know, that that sort of thing. It's more just the way things are framed to give the the suggestion of something. And that's that really it was kind of heartwarming to watch, but also hilarious. Um specifically with Spru right at the beginning, because like you say, when you just see the floating head That's clearly kind of a not great prop. I mean, for the budget, marvelous. And then it sort of cuts to the actual actor. Um, I've forgotten the guy's name, but I did recognize him from O Brother, Where Art Thou? Um, for the for the speaking parts and then the wide shots. It's just the prop again.
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And it's it's a kind of elementary technique, but also pretty smart.
507
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Yeah.
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And I really admire that. It's just like, oh, this is just a bunch of film nerds coming together and making this thing.
509
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Yeah.
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I don't know. I find it heartwarming. But also, I think even though the effects I'm sort of using quotation marks here, the effects work is, as I said, kind of elementary, it sort of works because of the tone of the film as well because it's clearly supposed to be funny.
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Yeah. I'm guessing that's like a lot of forming pictures. of that vibe though.
512
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Yeah, definitely.
513
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We we all know what we're doing. It's all a bit silly here, but we're just having a laugh.
514
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Oh, yeah. Everybody like we're all aware that we're here to have fun.
515
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Yeah. No, it feels like no one's under any illusion that they're making Jurassic Park.
516
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Yeah.
517
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Or some effects.
518
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Or even Jurassic Park 3.
519
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Yeah. Or even Jurassic Poke.
520
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Yeah.
521
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Yeah. I think the humor is pretty evident kind of from the first frame. You've got the stuff like you talked about on Arturos, just silly little things like That's spelled incorrectly.
522
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Is it?
523
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Yeah. It says laundry mat,
524
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right? Because that's an alien version of
525
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who knows
526
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clothes washing shop.
527
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Who knows? Or maybe exactly the same.
528
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No, that would be ridiculous.
529
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Maybe they just thought it was funny to misspell it.
530
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Yeah.
531
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Um you've got that sort of stuff and the the dialogue as well when they're talking about the um there's a I think it's a news broadcast and the dialogue something like there was 27 wounded and another 3.6 dead.
532
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Yeah. What were the decimals all?
533
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I don't know, but it was so funny.
534
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3.6 dead.
535
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That's not possible.
536
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1.4 of them were children. Yeah.
537
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Yeah. It's not It's not a possible calculation, but it's very funny.
538
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Yeah. It's sort of like what what I And it doesn't ever explain why they're doing that, and it doesn't make any sense, but it's just a quirk, isn't it? It's just a weird thing that they've just done.
539
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Yeah. Silliness. I just like silliness.
540
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Do you think that when they um when they get to Earth then because once they go through this rift and you see this little spaceship land in this building site
541
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that looks suspiciously like the planet Arurus.
542
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Yeah. And then we find out that we're in New York, I guess. Bronx.
543
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Yeah, I think it's South Bronx,
544
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right? And then there's just about 5 minutes of just shots from a car that are just going I don't know what the technical term is, but they're just filming along a sidewalk and then They'll zoom into someone doing a crime and then they'll zoom back out and then there's more sidewalk stuff and then it'll zoom into someone else. And it did that for a long long time.
545
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Yeah.
546
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To the point where
547
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we're like, is this just the movie now?
548
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It was Yeah. To the point where it was, oh yeah, I know this technique. We're do we're establishing the city here. Fast-paced city. There's crimes going on. Great. Got it. And then 30 seconds go by and you're like, is this supposed to be this long? Then a minute goes by and you're like sort of scratching your head, maybe getting a bit bored. Then another Minute goes by and it's hilarious.
549
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It's become funny again.
550
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It's really funny. Yeah. And I'm I don't know if it was intended to be funny or they were just trying to pad the run time out. My guess is that
551
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both.
552
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Yeah. But probably a bit of both.
553
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That would be my guess.
554
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Yeah.
555
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Cuz um all of that stuff that you were talking about, apart from the bits where you're like following people into shops and stuff, um was stock footage
556
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which is Yeah. what I mentioned at the start. Like
557
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you pay for it. So we got to bloody use it.
558
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Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Um, but a lot of it wasn't even the South Bronx,
559
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which just kind of makes it funny to me.
560
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Was it the North Bronx?
561
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I don't know. I'm not even sure the filmmakers know.
562
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Was it even a Bronx?
563
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Probably not. Who knows? You just mentioned the notion of padding out the run time. And that's kind of prevalent throughout the film.
564
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Yeah.
565
00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000
For better or worse, it has some big Goth Mary's Dark Place vibes.
566
00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000
Like anything without dialogue was considered for slow motion sort of thing.
567
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000
There are so many shots, establishing shots like the ones you've talked about, shots that you know, somebody's uttered a line of dialogue and there, you know, there should be a cut because you've seen films before and you know how they work and there should be a cut here, but there isn't and it just lingers for like an additional 10 seconds. And I know you talked about it potentially like you know, dipping into the realms of being boring, but it was just so funny.
568
00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,000
I don't know if any of that was intentional or not, but it was so funny. Just the lingering shots where you're like, "Please God, somebody got this. Maybe the editor was just s*** at his job. Who knows?"
569
00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000
No, I think it's just, as we were sort of discussing when we were watching it, I think it's it's it obviously super low budget. No one's got any money. They probably shot it in 3 days and they ended up with a movie that is 45 minutes long.
570
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000
Yeah.
571
00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000
So, we're going to need to do something about this. They padded it out as much as they could and it's still only like an hour and 20 minutes.
572
00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000
It's a short film. Yeah.
573
00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,000
A lot of Full Moon stuff is like under an hour these days.
574
00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,000
It's kind of nothing really. Like you've got the first third is like a proper setup to a movie, you know, a low budget silly movie, you know.
575
00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000
Um and then it's like The bits on Earth are two scenes, three scenes. Like you've got the stuff at the flat, at the Debbie's flat, and then you've got uh back at the building site and then a bit in Braxton's warehouse.
576
00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000
Yeah, pretty much.
577
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000
Pub or whatever it was. He's got a pool table that he's very upset about. But um so like if you squash all of that together, there's probably only 10 15 minutes of actual character stuff in there.
578
00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000
Yeah. Oh, definitely. Nothing happens in this film.
579
00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000
No. really.
580
00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000
It's the most like
581
00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000
like who even is Braxton? Like Braxton and Debbie seem to have some sort of shared past, shared history. Debbie is worried about her kid who she's he's worried that he's going to be a gangster with Braxton and um do crime on people.
582
00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000
Uh but the who how do they know each other? And he's just what he wants to take over the whole New York like what's going on and what is this operation? Is he selling drugs? Is he trafficking humans? Like what what is it?
583
00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,000
Unclear. here.
584
00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000
Yeah.
585
00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000
Unclear.
586
00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000
But luckily, Jackie old Haley sells the s*** out of him.
587
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000
He's pretty good.
588
00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000
But he um him him and his guys, they find the little floating head, don't they?
589
00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000
And the the promise, the the little villain floating head guy, Sprung, he says, "Oh, I've got a bomb. I'll give you the bomb that can disintegrate the whole planet or something."
590
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000
Um send New York into another dimension. Something something.
591
00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000
Why would you want that?
592
00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000
I don't know. And also, it doesn't go.
593
00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000
It's just a bomb.
594
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000
Yeah. Quite like more like like a grenade really. Not even a massive bomb.
595
00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000
It just makes everything bright for about 30 seconds.
596
00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000
But I didn't Yeah, I wasn't clear on what their shared history was.
597
00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000
So, what you are asking for is a doll man origin story. You would like a prequel?
598
00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000
No, I don't. I'm just curious as to why they knew each other and and what was going on there.
599
00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000
Okay. I was going to say if you can contact Charles Ban somehow and ask for a prequel, he probably do it.
600
00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000
Probably. There's probably one written somewhere.
601
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000
Yeah. I think it's sort of wise with films like this to just just not ask why.
602
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000
I don't think you're going to get the answers that you you will find satisfying.
603
00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000
No, this is true.
604
00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000
Just go along for the ride.
605
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000
Yeah, you have to, don't you?
606
00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000
Something that really made me laugh is when Braxton squished Spru.
607
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000
I I didn't see that coming, I don't think, either, cuz uh Braxton is nearly um dying, isn't he? He's getting shot by
608
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000
Yeah.
609
00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,000
by Bardau's super magnificent universe killing gun.
610
00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000
I think so.
611
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000
And his skin's he's his flesh is starting to melt or whatever it is that that gun does. Brig fixes him and says, "Well, hopefully this works." And he's like, "Cheers and squashes Spug."
612
00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,000
Yeah.
613
00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000
Nixie's bomb,
614
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000
but then dies anyway. But yeah, when he when he um when he bashes his head in, there's just like just goop head goop. everywhere. So, that was that was that was fun.
615
00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000
Yeah. And in keeping for the character, like,
616
00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000
but how are we going to know he's a villain? Um, just have him squash this guy.
617
00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000
Yeah,
618
00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000
that'll do.
619
00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,000
So, I made a note of a couple of ways that they actually kept the budget down.
620
00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000
Obviously, we've talked about all of the stock footage that they used for the South Bronx and mystery other places, but also um a lot of the from Arurus, like the establishing shots. And that was um reused footage from Book Rogers from the um 1979 film, which might explain why it looks older than it is.
621
00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000
Right. Yeah, definitely would, wouldn't it? Actually,
622
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000
that would explain that would answer my question.
623
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000
I thought it was a TV show
624
00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000
or was it both?
625
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000
Both.
626
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000
Was it a film and then a show or a show then a film?
627
00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000
Oh, I don't know. Um the music that they used for the trailer was relevant to you. It's from Robocop. No. What? For the
628
00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000
the the apparently
629
00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000
they used the Robocop.
630
00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000
Apparently
631
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000
what the the the score.
632
00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000
I don't know.
633
00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000
Look at You look livid.
634
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000
I need to see this trailer. I can't believe it.
635
00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000
You look genuinely angry.
636
00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000
I definitely would have watched this before if I'd have seen that. Wow.
637
00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000
I mean, the the whole film is probably in the trailer. Let's be honest.
638
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000
Probably.
639
00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000
You could watch the trailer instead.
640
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000
Yeah. The trailer is just the establishing shots of the Bronx.
641
00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000
Yeah. Yeah, there's certainly a lot of stuff that they did to to keep the budget as small as possible.
642
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000
Yeah,
643
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000
even if it meant begging, borrowing, and stealing from other projects.
644
00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000
They did make that tiny um spaceship, Brick Bardau's ship. It was a really funny moment when um just after he lands and he saves Debbie from the attacking gang cuz she'd already beaten a s*** out of a couple of people earlier. I like her character actually, incidentally. But um she Yeah, Bardau rescues her and then she's like, "We got to go cuz the they're going to all the reinforcements are going to come and we're going to be in big trouble." He goes, "I'm not going anywhere." And she just picks up the ship and starts running with it and he's just cut into Tim Thomas and just sort of jiggling
645
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000
jiggling around. Yeah.
646
00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,000
Like banging his head. Really good.
647
00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,000
Yeah, that stuff's really funny.
648
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000
And then she gets home and just um just pops him on the kitchen table and that's where he lives for the rest of the movie.
649
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000
Yeah. Until Well, and the whole neighborhood comes in to have a gawk game.
650
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000
Yeah.
651
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,000
And nobody seems that non plus like they're all
652
00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000
they're all pretty chill about it.
653
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000
Everyone is everyone's reaction in this movie regardless of perspective is not what you would expect. Even with Bardau like he lands on the planet and he goes, "Oh, I hate giant ants. Oh god, these people are massive." And then just goes on about his business. And also, yeah, Bardau and everyone else, there's a tiny floating head guy. There's a small guy. fire with a gun and a spaceship. I guess I guess we know this exists now and we're going to use it to our benefit.
654
00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000
I mean, you couldn't make this film now cuz it' just be a bunch of influencers going, "Film it for Tik Tok."
655
00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000
Yeah.
656
00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000
It' be very different movie.
657
00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000
Yeah.
658
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000
They say the title in this movie quite a lot as well.
659
00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000
Well, Bard um not Bard Braxton comes up with a name for him, doesn't he? Calls him the doll man cuz he's small.
660
00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000
Cuz he's tiny.
661
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000
Yeah.
662
00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000
Yeah. But they say the title quite a lot.
663
00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000
They do.
664
00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000
You could um you could turn it into quite a brutal drinking game if you wanted to
665
00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000
uh have a shot every time they say dull man.
666
00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000
Yeah.
667
00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000
Yeah. No, you'd be wanker.
668
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000
Yeah, exactly.
669
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000
Not after 10 minutes cuz they don't say it probably until about the 20 minute mark when they land on Earth. But yeah, but then that's practically all they're saying for the next hour.
670
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000
Did you know that Albert Pon was so attached to the name Brickbardo? There's also a Brick Bardau in Cyborg.
671
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000
I think I heard somewhere that he tries to put it in that name in all of his movies really
672
00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000
or Yeah. Or maybe it was just the other one. But yeah, I had heard he for some reason is really married to that name.
673
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000
I mean,
674
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000
brick.
675
00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000
Do you know what it makes? I was going to say, do you know what it makes me think of, but you
676
00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000
Joseph Gordon Levit?
677
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000
No, but you
678
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000
Steve Carell.
679
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000
No, you're just naming movies and characters named Brick now, aren't you?
680
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000
Yeah.
681
00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000
There's a brick in Borderlands.
682
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000
Yes. Um, no. It makes me think of So, there's um a Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode on the movie Space Mun, and there's a really famous clip where they're running through like
683
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000
examples of really macho names.
684
00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000
Oh, I remember you told me this.
685
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000
Smash Law. Um, it just makes me think of one of those cuz it would be so in keeping if they were just like Brick Bardau.
686
00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000
Yeah.
687
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000
And that killed me. Oh, it's a cool name.
688
00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,000
What? Brick Bardo. Yeah, it's fun. I like alliteration.
689
00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000
Love the alliteration. Yeah. Well, it's cuz it's called brick. And it's like, what is a brick? Well, it's quite strong, isn't it? You can throw a brick at someone's face and they won't be happy about it.
690
00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000
But you could throw a doll man at someone's face and it wouldn't ruin their day in the same way a brick would.
691
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000
If it was this doll, man, you could.
692
00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000
Yeah,
693
00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000
cuz that gun means business.
694
00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000
But if you if you take that gun away from him, he's not. It's I mean, you're just going to
695
00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000
Oh, he's dead immediately.
696
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000
Yeah.
697
00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,000
You just step on him.
698
00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,000
He's a very powerful weapon. He's lucky he's got it.
699
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000
Yeah, maybe they'll explore that in the sequels.
700
00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000
Maybe.
701
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000
So, you have to watch them now. Um, also, this was filmed back to back with Arcade.
702
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000
Oh, really?
703
00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,000
So, now, um, once we finish recording, we have to dig out my VHS tape and we have to watch Arcade and listen out for a potential character called Brick Bard.
704
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,000
Okay. See, I mean, we can do that if you like.
705
00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000
Maybe. Maybe. There's going to be a tiny Tim Thomasson in the background of a shot somewhere.
706
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000
There might be. Yeah, there might be.
707
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000
Something else that I really liked about this film that like the thematically I do find
708
00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000
thematically in Dolman.
709
00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000
Go on.
710
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000
Well, I was going to say like Full Moon as a whole um much like companies like Troma, they're quite punk rock. Everything is very DIY. by it's all shoestring budget. It's all, you know, make it yourself, do what you can. And I there's something I love about that because they're not they don't have the same restrictions as studio pictures do like the the huge studios obviously. Um they're not contractually obliged to to do certain things. And I think I sort of really like the freedom that comes with that because they get to do mad s***. it like this, like make a character that's just a head and film it so it looks sort of passible but hilarious at the same time. Um, I don't know. I I I love that. But also in keeping with that, I think this film has a very um aab messaging,
711
00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000
right,
712
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000
which I loved.
713
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000
I didn't see that. How did you What What gives you that impression?
714
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000
Because bricks sort of disillusioned with the police force on our tourists and the police in the South Bronx.
715
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000
They won't let in people.
716
00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000
Yeah, cuz the cops are s***.
717
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000
Yeah, I understand where you're going with this. Yeah.
718
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000
And in in the South Bronx, they're just ineb
719
00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000
non-existent. Where were they?
720
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000
Well, but precisely, but um Debbie was having to start her own sort of neighborhood watch.
721
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And there was the the the
722
00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000
like the mayor or some sort politician. or something. Was there just like well you know we can't really do anything.
723
00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000
Yeah.
724
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000
It's like ah a likely story funding something something funding
725
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000
something something funding maybe something something we are in the Robocop universe and I work for OCP and we want this area to be screwed over and lots of crime so we can buy it cheap gentrify it and then move you all out to the gutter.
726
00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000
That's blown my mind. I want to watch this again with with the fact that might be in the Robocop universe in my head.
727
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000
Let's watch them back to back.
728
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000
Oh yeah. I mean, if you want to watch Robocop, then I'm doubting you.
729
00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000
How about Robocop 3?
730
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000
No. But we've got to watch Arcade, though. We got to watch Arcade.
731
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,000
That's true. That's true. But yeah, I don't know. Something about that is just very punk rock to me. I respect it.
732
00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000
I I thought that I honestly thought that you were going to start coming up with themes that are in this movie, and I was like, "Oh, yeah, cool. I didn't know." Cuz I kept trying to make masculinity work. Something about the um portrayal like silliness of it being big and thinking yourself strong and mro and then getting shrunk and what that means. But I really couldn't come up with any
733
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000
I mean
734
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000
any thought any linear thoughts that make any sense apart from
735
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000
that makes sense to me though.
736
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000
Yeah. But I I don't think there's any commentary. I think it's just going
737
00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000
Well, but that is the commentary. Is it?
738
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000
Yeah. Mocking stupid masculinity.
739
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000
A big a big brave soldier killer guy just humbled because now he's been shrunk.
740
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000
Yeah, like a massive weapon.
741
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000
Yeah, but but the weapon itself is like a phallic extension of him.
742
00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000
True.
743
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,000
And he's useless without it. You just pointed that out.
744
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000
Yeah, true.
745
00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000
So maybe there's more to that than you thought.
746
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000
Yeah, maybe it's a masterpiece. I don't know. No one's giving it a fair shake.
747
00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000
Yeah,
748
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000
there'll be kids will be writing about this in 100 years time, this movie. I think so. Yeah, it's going to be textbooks about it.
749
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000
Yeah,
750
00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000
it'll be part of some really important thesis thesis. Thesises thesisi.
751
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000
Yeah, one of those probably.
752
00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000
I don't know what the plural is.
753
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000
People will be visiting uh child's band's house
754
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000
going, "Yeah, this is where he was born. This is where he wrote Dole Man in this in this chair here.
755
00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000
His whole estate is just going to be turned into puppet world."
756
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000
Yeah, I'd go.
757
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,000
I would 100% go.
758
00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000
Yeah. So, it's not a perfect movie by any stretch.
759
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000
Not a perfect movie. No.
760
00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000
But I would be okay with this being remade.
761
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000
Yeah.
762
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000
Maybe not in Full Moon's hands. Like, give it a bit of a bigger budget.
763
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000
Oh, really?
764
00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000
But keep the keep the humor, keep the tone, ditch the fat phobia, perhaps.
765
00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000
Yeah.
766
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000
But um but I would be interested to see that.
767
00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000
I'd watch it.
768
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000
I think that's where we should be putting our money, our money, studio money. In terms of remakes, pick things that showed promise but didn't quite hit the mark first time round. Don't remake stuff that was already a classic.
769
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000
Yeah.
770
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000
Um like Garbage Pill Kids, remake that.
771
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000
I don't know about it.
772
00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000
Mac and Me. I don't know. You're not selling me.
773
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000
I I'd be up for a remake of this. I I um really It's It holds a weird space in my head because it's simultaneously a really good idea. for a film, but also really stupid. Yeah.
774
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000
Like the fact that on on another planet things, you know, size size is is relative
775
00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000
and it is something I thought about before like just because we're a certain size and we inter like and we see
776
00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000
we're talking about aliens and things and ships like why do you think that they're going to be invisible to us like maybe they'll be so small we can't see them or so big that
777
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000
they just we're nothing. They can't see us. I don't know.
778
00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000
Um
779
00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000
so the yeah the idea is is is pretty interesting and funny and I would definitely watch a reboot of it, but I'd be I would be tempted to keep it proper low budget though.
780
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000
When you say a bigger budget, are you talking like 250 million big blockbuster budget or are you talking like mid-range or sort of or even low like 10 10 5 10 million?
781
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000
Where are you?
782
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000
No, I'm not I'm not talking like oh it's a doll movie. Let's give it to Greta Gerwig. Let's put it in the Barbie universe. Barbie and Doll Man.
783
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000
Yeah,
784
00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000
I don't mean that. Um, maybe like Yeah, keep it on the lower budget end. Maybe give it to somebody like M Blair, the guy who did well, he's
785
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000
collaborated with like Jeremy Sier. He's he's kind of paid his dues, an independent film, but he
786
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000
Blue Ruin.
787
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's um primarily an actor, but he's directed um a couple of things like uh I I don't feel at home in this world anymore. I think it was called the one with Melanie Linsky and Elijah Wood and also the Toxic Avenger remake.
788
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000
Oh, the new one with Dinklage.
789
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,000
And that's kind of what put me in mind for him for a project like this.
790
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000
Yeah, that's a good shout actually. Yeah,
791
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000
I would like to see that because he gets the silliness
792
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000
that
793
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000
of stuff like this.
794
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000
Toxic Avenger movie definitely nailed that um fun silliness, didn't it? And the humor it didn't it went It was pretty stupid as well.
795
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000
So dumb. So dumb, but it was entertaining.
796
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000
Yeah. I'd love to see somebody like him take a crack at it.
797
00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000
All right. So, you've nailed the director. We're doing a reboot, are we? And you want the director to be making Blair.
798
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000
I Yeah, I would pay human pounds to go and see that.
799
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000
Do you keep Charles Band on as um executive producer or do you want him to just not be involved at all?
800
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000
Oo, that's a good question. No, I think Charles B's got enough on his plate. He's
801
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000
very busy man.
802
00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,000
He's doing Puppet Master 217 or whatever. Yeah. Fresh fresh set of eyes on it. What about you?
803
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000
Would I keep Charles Band around? Yeah, definitely. You would? Yeah.
804
00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000
It's his baby.
805
00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000
Okay.
806
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000
I want it to be I want it.
807
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000
Well, now I feel bad.
808
00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000
Okay, fair enough.
809
00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000
Who would you cast as Brick Bardau?
810
00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000
As Bardo?
811
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000
Yeah.
812
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000
I am The obvious answer to me with all questions like this is Dave Batista. because he's funny, he's massive, he or he was massive. He's not he's not as big as he used to be, I guess. Um, but he has that kind of dead pan. He can do that dead pan stoic, I'm hard as nails, uh, I'm the straight guy kind of thing. But I I didn't want to go with the obvious answer, so I just went with um Scott Atkins.
813
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000
So, it's going to be a tiny guy that kicks people in the head.
814
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,000
Yeah.
815
00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000
Okay.
816
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000
And and but also like visually, I thought that would be quite funny like him just doing a uh a roundhouse kick at someone but it just connects with their knee and it really hurts them and they're like ow and he still takes people but he's not just relying on a gun.
817
00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000
I think they could be the visuals there could be kind of amusing I guess.
818
00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000
Okay, I don't hate that.
819
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000
Who would you put in that?
820
00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,000
I don't know. I think you were kind of on to something with the wrestlers. Maybe John Cena could do it just cuz I think his his sort of I don't know if I would call it dead pan as such but he's got that delivery down where he can do straightfaced
821
00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000
and a little bit mean but it's still really funny.
822
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000
Yeah, when you said um going to keep with the wrestlers I was thinking what like Brett the Hitman.
823
00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000
Preferably not.
824
00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000
No, it's the only wrestler I know.
825
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000
Hulk Hogan. We literally talked about him last week.
826
00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000
Hulk Hogan.
827
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000
I mean it would have to be an alive wrestler that does complicate things.
828
00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000
Yeah, you would they probably need to be alive. Yeah.
829
00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000
Yeah.
830
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000
Would you Who would you recast as Braxton?
831
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000
Uh as Braxton I I I was torn between Dan Stevens.
832
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,000
Okay.
833
00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000
Cuz just put him in anything.
834
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000
Doing an accent.
835
00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000
Doing an accent. Do what you like. Give him a role and he can just do whatever he wants.
836
00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000
Okay.
837
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000
That's my rationale behind that.
838
00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,000
Or um or Josh Lawson who played Kano in the Mortal Kombat new Mortal Kombat movies.
839
00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,000
Okay. Just cuz I mean, and again, I just want him to be the same character, I think.
840
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000
Yeah. I was going to say he'd have to have the Australian accent.
841
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000
Yeah. And just be KO again, except you haven't got a laser eye.
842
00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000
But he would be calling everybody a c***.
843
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000
Yeah. That's all right. That's all right. Was not
844
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000
No, I'm I'm saying that's maybe maybe the delivery of that line.
845
00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,000
Yeah.
846
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000
Didn't convey my uh my meaning. I meant that as a positive thing,
847
00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000
right?
848
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000
It's what the Australians do, right? It's a term of endearment.
849
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000
Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I like that shout.
850
00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000
Have you got anyone for um for Braxton?
851
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000
For the villain, you think
852
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000
I don't know. I quite like that.
853
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000
Yeah,
854
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000
I've only seen Josh Law Lawson in two movies and he's very different in both of them, but I see the vision with Kano.
855
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000
I thought you was going to say I've seen Josh Lawson in two movies, Mortal Kombat 1 and Mortal Kombat 2.
856
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000
I've seen Josh Lawson in three movies.
857
00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,000
Okay.
858
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000
Two of which were Mortal Kombats.
859
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,000
So, you think Lawson over Stevens?
860
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000
I do. I see that more and I love Dan Stevens. But
861
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,000
even though Dan Stevens is going to be uh the new Alex Murphy,
862
00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000
I love that.
863
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,000
Yeah,
864
00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,000
I'm very interested in that casting.
865
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,000
God, everything all roads lead back to Robocop with you, don't they?
866
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000
Yeah. Yeah. Or Total Recall.
867
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000
Or Total Recall. Yeah.
868
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,000
I um the one that I was struggling with a little bit is Debbie.
869
00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,000
Mhm.
870
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,000
I didn't really know who to cast with Debbie uh for Debbie and also what to do about her son, her kid. Like, how are we going to play that story line out in my in my reboot?
871
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,000
Mhm.
872
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000
Um, who's the director again? I've forgotten. Who's who we getting to direct this? Oh,
873
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000
uh, M Blair.
874
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000
M Blair. That's it. M Blair's um, Doll Man re. Um, I in the end I went for Journey Smlet. Is that how you pronounce her name?
875
00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000
Okay. Yeah, I believe so.
876
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000
Yeah, she was in Smoke.
877
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000
Um, really enjoyed her in that. Um, I also had Isaac Gonzalez and I also had Florence Pew. But then they didn't stand out to me. I was just sort of naming people that I think are quite good and quite like at the moment.
878
00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000
Yeah, I love Florence Pew, but I don't see her in this role.
879
00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000
Yeah, it didn't. It was just that was the kind of first person I thought of and I was struggling a bit,
880
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000
but I also had to kind of make that character work with the kid and who can I cast as a kid that you're going to believe is the that parent, you know,
881
00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,000
and I couldn't think of any like the kids were like I was like, "Name me uh uh between seven and 12 year old kid that's really good at acting at the moment.
882
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,000
No,
883
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000
exactly. And I was all over Google trying to find someone. I couldn't. So I thought, well, okay, you got to cast cast older then and say they're like 15.
884
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000
Okay.
885
00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000
So I was like, well, Deafany Keane, she's 21, but you could say she's 15.
886
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,000
Um Alfie Williams is 15 years old, so you just, you know, 28 years later, you just make him 15 instead of eight or whatever that character is. in the movie. Um, and I didn't like any of that. So, I just decided that the kid is dead in this reboot.
887
00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,000
Okay.
888
00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000
Um,
889
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000
so you've gone a little bit darker.
890
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000
Yeah. But then also um
891
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000
as a result of gang violence.
892
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000
As a result of gang violence. And then the mom Debbie when she finds Bardo who is um Scott Atkins I think we went with and Jon Smlet and Scott Atkins they kind of team up.
893
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000
Okay.
894
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,000
And they become and it sort of is more of a buddy. cop situation than what it is.
895
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000
Okay.
896
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,000
Currently, so that was my solution to that. And I've got one more left. Uh Sprung.
897
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000
Yes,
898
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000
Spug. Um I was thinking Cory Stall in a redo floating head guy.
899
00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000
Um but I thought I thought that was a bit silly in um so in the end I just went for Jay Leno.
900
00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000
Right. You thought Corey Stall was a bit silly. Yeah.
901
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000
Right. Um I prefer Cory Stall.
902
00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000
Do you?
903
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000
To Jay Leno.
904
00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,000
He could do it, I think.
905
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,000
Do you?
906
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000
Yeah. And he wants another go.
907
00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000
Okay.
908
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000
What do you What do you reckon on those? You got any got any problems with those or
909
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000
I don't have any problems. I like I like Journey Smlet a lot. I think that's a really good show.
910
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000
I only know her from Smoke. That's the only thing I know her from, but she was a sitcom person for for a while apparently. Yeah.
911
00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,000
I She was a child actor. She was in um Oh, what's it called? We watched it about a year or two ago.
912
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000
Smoke.
913
00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,000
No, we did watch Smoke.
914
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,000
Um, no, she was in it as a child.
915
00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000
Like really famous kind of all black southern gothic horror movie.
916
00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000
Oh, Eve's bio. Yeah.
917
00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000
Eves bio. Yeah.
918
00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000
Godamn my permenopausal brain. Total brain fart on that one. Yeah. So, she's been in the industry for a long time. Um, and she's kind of great.
919
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,000
She was Um, forgotten the character name, but uh, she was in Holly Quinn, the Birds of Prey.
920
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000
Oh, Birds of Prey. She was in that, was she?
921
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000
Something Canary,
922
00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000
right? Oh, interesting. I don't remember her in that.
923
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000
Yeah,
924
00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,000
I just I I liked her character in Smoke and she had that kind of fun, not fun, that like um,
925
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000
she's feisty.
926
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000
Feisty, aggressive toughness. Yeah. That I thought
927
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,000
could be fun. Maybe they're trying to outtuff each other, her and Bardo. I like it.
928
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,000
And they're just going to town vigilante style on on bad guys. Um but it's still funny.
929
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,000
I like it a lot.
930
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,000
Yeah. Thanks.
931
00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000
Okay. I would watch that. That would get me to part with my money. So that's about it for Dolman.
932
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000
It's our wrap on Dolman. Is it?
933
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000
I think so.
934
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000
Sarah, we've only got one episode left in this season.
935
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000
We do.
936
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000
And we're um next week we're going to return to Joe Ee,
937
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000
we've only had a week off from him.
938
00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000
I know. This was completely by accident and I didn't know it until it was locked in and we' done the the the pictures for it and the promotional stuff for the for the season.
939
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000
Uh I sort of looked at it and went, "Oh yeah, we've done we're doing two Joe Don movies this season." But it's okay cuz the other one's Inner Space, which is the best one.
940
00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000
Of course it's Inner Space.
941
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000
Yeah, of course it is.
942
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000
And since last week, we've also seen The Howling. So we've got more Dante draw from.
943
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000
Good. Yeah. This be our first Martin Short film. I think
944
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000
that's insane.
945
00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,000
It's mad really considering how much I like Martin Shaw.
946
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,000
Like or love.
947
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000
Love.
948
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000
Exactly.
949
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,000
Adore. He's my favorite.
950
00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000
Yes.
951
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000
Um unlike the other guy that's in this who's Why have I blanked on his name? Dennis
952
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000
Quad.
953
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000
Dennis Quaid. Yeah. I was thinking Dennis and I was like that doesn't seem right.
954
00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000
This is not our first Dennis Quaid movie.
955
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000
No, it's not. No. Like our third little fourth, I think. Yeah. Last last episode of the season next week in space.
