#433 Calvin Robinson - A Christian Priest Says Muslims Shouldn't Live in Britain

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up ladies and gentlemen boys and girls around the world welcome back to the real talk with Zubi podcast on today's episode I'm going to be talking to the host of the common sense crusade and this is Calvin Robinson welcome to the show Thank you Zubi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good to be back home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am blessed and highly favored as always, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't complain about my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, how about yourself?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am good, but this thing I love about you, Zubi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're always positive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're always putting positivity out there into world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the world is so talk at times and you're where there's lights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I do my best, man, you know, there's always the light and the dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how are things with you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've moved to the USA, a while ago now, how are you finding it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it, I really do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was back in Britain two weeks ago on the back end of my summer holiday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt so appreciative, I felt like...
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[SPEAKER_00]: So dog and I was so glad to get back into the state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once I passed through customs, I actually made it through because that's, you know, it's always one of these moments, just you can, the freedom is tangible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love being in this country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to take some of this back home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remind us of what is good true beautiful, what is freedom, what is liberty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, every time I go home, people hate, what do you mean we are a free country, but it's a fish and water cannot recognize the water surrounded by, and I don't think the people back home realize how many of our freedoms have been taken away, gradually over the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really interesting starting point, actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a sense of what you mean when you say that, but for people who are listening, whether they're in the US or UK, what do you mean when you say that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for example, the house I'm in right now, just a little bungalow that I've managed to acquire as a kind of safety-ness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever happens, I've got somewhere to call home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but this was just banged up, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the middle of nowhere, I'm in the woods and someone just decided to build a house here, gone on with it, did it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just not very British, don't you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything in Britain already exists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in this house, I've got my machock on my rifle, my pistol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get you caught on those in Britain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sitting on the computer to talk into you right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just tweeting that everything is fake, gay, retarded, and Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot say that in Britain, there's no free speech.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everything about my day-to-day life is like limited when I go back home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can just be
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[SPEAKER_00]: free to do and say an act in a reasonable way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I believe in this country and whether that's just from banging up a house to saying what you want to say on social media, there's a kind of oppression back home and that I know so many people who've been arrested for tweeting things or posting things on Facebook or going to protests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so many people who are having police visit them over, do what's your opinion on XYZ?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We shouldn't have that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should be free to live our lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this one's home is as castle, but we've lost a bit of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, what's changed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: or attitudes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think COVID highlighted this massively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I, I think we're in the same page with most of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of people in London in particular were like, Governor me harder, daddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, government save us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please restrict us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it takes it goes out of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas it used to be the case that we had more of a mentality of what many Americans have in that we don't trust the government.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The government is there because it's a necessity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should have limit their power as much as possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They should control our borders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They should offer some kind of safety nets so that people aren't homeless and entirely deprived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that should be a bow, see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, it should give them limited money in order to spend our lives on our roads, on our infrastructure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But other than that, they shouldn't be intervening in our lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should be running our own lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if there's anything going on, whether it's a massive pandemic or just school places, it should be up to people, citizens, subjects, to decide what they're doing with their lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when the government told me I could only leave my house once a day for 15 minutes a day or whatever the rules.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who are you to tell me that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am a free man in a free country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I want to go and sit outside for an hour, two hours to top up my Vitamin D, which is the best cure against the best preventative measure against this pandemic, then I'm going to do so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So many people will tell us what to do government.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want more of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will trade it off for a sense of security.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always a sense because it's never actual security.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of it is the attrics and most of it doesn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: the moment we give any freedoms away for those things, we'd never get them back, a support problem that we have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I travel to a lot during that time period, and I can objectively say that some parts of the U.S. were considerably more oppressive than the U.K. was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the US was strange because you had parts of it which were just normal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like business as usual as if it was 2018 or 2019 and then you cross over for not even always state lines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes even county lines like you crossed over between Los Angeles County into Orange County and then to Orange County and it was a night and day difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I traveled a lot during that time partly because I was trying to dodge some of the lockdowns but I went to I went to about 10 different US states.
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[SPEAKER_01]: during that time period and the variation was shocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So while I would, I would like to think that the USA and Americans were kind of much more immunized against that, I think it's very dependent on where you were, because I was in certain parts and I was like, oh my gosh, like, I was feeling more free and getting less hassled in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I mean, I'll give you that in the, we often, from the outside look into the state and thing, well, it's just the states, isn't it, obviously, the states are all like the own individual countries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, after spending quite a bit of time in Michigan, it's very different to California, where I spend time previously, and so there are different vibes, different mentalities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But generally speaking, the American ethos is more in favor of freedom and liberty than the British ethos is, these days, I'm sure you can agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I also, I'm curious because you, um, you, I mean, you, you're born, born and grew up in the UK, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, do you think that the UK has changed that much since your childhood in this sense, or do you think it's just that you're more awake and conscious of what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the country that grew up in I would say no longer exists, you know, I moved to London about 20 odd years ago So I grew up in the Midlands in a town called Mansfield in a town called Nottinghamshire So we were just talking before we came on like share with forest is where I grew up Robin Hood country loved it But no longer exists in many many ways and it
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[SPEAKER_00]: lots of things have changed the nature of our country from the internet and mobile phones to mass, uptake in technology, to mass migration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the demographics have changed, British people no longer have babies, so the shape of the country has changed in many many ways, but the attitudes have changed as a result of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as a teacher, when I was a school teacher, I could see that certain demographics thought in different ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All these generalizations, of course, and people hate it whenever used generalizations could see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not those people, but not that one, that generalizations are generalizations from purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's easier to discuss things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are certain demographics that would prefer more status than the certain demographics that preferred more freedom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that goes in every element of our lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in schools there would be certain demographics that would want us to be stricter with their children, for example, on certain demographics that would want us to stay away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So no, there are children and we get to talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of that has shifted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: due to mass up taking technology which makes us more connected to different people in different places and therefore we get a different perspective but also mass migration which has changed the shape and nature of our country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are some of the tangible changes that you've seen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye, I'm!
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[SPEAKER_00]: London's a prime example, because London was metropolitan when I moved there 20 years ago, but it was still predominantly British.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it felt like there were lots of people living in a British city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So lots of people from different places in a British city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's British people are in a minority.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So every time I go into London, it feels like it's a foreign city where some British people live in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is inverted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: that has had effect like crime rates are massively high and that's not me suggesting that people from different places are more rampant criminals, but just that when you don't have a modulus society, when you have a society of multi-cultures, competing with each other, it creates distrust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A high trust society is a high modulus society, we all know that so a highly diverse society is less trusting and therefore crime rates are high and you see that everywhere you go,
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[SPEAKER_00]: are less comfortable and I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think London is is a nice place to be anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't feel like it was 20 odd years ago, and I'm sure people who are older than me will say, well, it's 20 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't feel like it was 50 years ago, but the progressive line has been going down rather than menop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's become a less, it's become more hostile, a less hospitable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, I'm going to offer some pushback here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think that many conservatives make a misdiagnosis here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I often hear people use the talking point of, you know, hemogenous societies being high trust in having lower crime rates and diverse societies being the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can see why people think that because if you look at Western Europe,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and parts of the USA, or Canada, et cetera, then that correlation does exist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I live in Dubai, which is quite literally one of the most diverse cities in the entire world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, 90% of Dubai's population is foreign.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Only 10% of the population is actually locals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Only 10% is emirati.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only of them, how many of those assistants do you think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10% of the foreigners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, so 10% of the population is citizens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the people who are citizens and the players, the people who are shaping the place are the natives, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The foreigners don't get coming and change the shape of the country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're still homogeneity there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What, how are you describing the marginality?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Western culture was homogenous in that it was Christendom, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So whether it's France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, America were Christian nations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the homogeneity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the thing that United States said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mean you were talking from their religious perspective?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, culture and religion are one and the same, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: not so our culture is from the Christian faith, whether it's our moral values, our virtues, whatever, it's what shaped us as people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if all of our elected representatives were Anglo-Christian men, the culture would look very differently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean, how much an 80 doesn't mean that every single person in the country has to be an Anglo-Christian man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It means that there has to be a glue that the core of the country has to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The majority does have to be, too, not that everyone has people that the majority does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Western culture was her modulus, and that correlation is important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it is in a series of causation, but the correlation is important, because it's modulus around Christianity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now places like Dubai are, they have different, they are diverting, they have a lot of foreigners, but those foreigners don't get to shape the country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can be to Dubai tomorrow, get elected to their parliament or whatever they call it, and change legislation, which is what happens in Britain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, nobody gets elected because it's not a democracy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe those Paul would be white votes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and then also, I don't know, I can easily think of many places that are, quote unquote, homogenous, but they're not, they're not somewhere that you would want to live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Somalia is pretty homogenous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of parts of Africa are relatively homogenous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you tell me a place that Somalia is in a Christian sense that it wouldn't want to live?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I could tell you the biggest example
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many parts of Central and South America, in fact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: El Salvador used to be the most dangerous country in the entire world, and El Salvador is a very homogenous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even that there's lots of people from other parts of Central America, like it's almost all Salvadorans, and as you've probably seen, they went from having the highest murder in the entire world, to having the lowest in the entire Western hemisphere, lower than even Canada.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their demographics did not change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In prison and they kept them there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think with the West, I think with all these cities, you know, whether someone's talking about a New York or a Los Angeles or London or Berlin or Toronto Whatever, I think the problem is just the it's the tolerance of crime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the tolerance of crime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's this idea that
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[SPEAKER_01]: people can behave however they want and there's minimal accountability and responsibility and we need to be very sort of we need to take this quote unquote progressive approach towards crime whether that's because we don't want to be seen as racists or xenophobic or Islam however they want to frame it they might frame it in that diversity language but I think the core problem is just that they're allowing the crime to take place and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that's that's the core of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's other arguments to be made in terms of immigration and you know, a simulation and demographics and all those kind of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't I never hear anyone push back on the idea of like, oh, you know, diversity equals crime kind of thing and homogeneity equals say I'm just saying that's just not Like it's easy to look around the world and be like that's not
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's not accurate, you know, people who are going to South Korea and Japan, Japan is homogenous and it's very safe, South Korea is homogenous and it's very safe and it's like yes, that's true, but also in Japan, they don't play with crime, there's culture, there's
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not your absolute right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm linking that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're speaking, I'm hearing what I was saying myself as a teacher, but you're a plaint to society, and that makes a lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the scores I worked in, the scores that really cramped on bad behavior, everything worked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't matter how good your curriculum is in your score, if there's bad behavior, the kids can't access the curriculum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas if you sweat the small stuff, you don't get to the big stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you make sure that uniforms tucked and you don't get to kids throwing shares, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: having no tolerance for their behaviour policies work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've implemented them, I've worked at schools where they've been implemented and that's how you get success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you'll spot on in that if we did that in society and had zero tolerance for crime, we went to the small crowds, we wouldn't get to the big crowds, we just spot on with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think there's also an element of the homogeneous Christian culture, has the oil, and we're deciding what our core values are is also key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how much do you think that that is uh, the reason I'm curious about some of these things because while I'm I'm I'm British myself, but I didn't actually grow up in the UK, so I don't know what it was like in the UK exactly and say the 90s or you know, I came there in the late 90s, early 2000s, but because I didn't grow up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kind of curious as to how much stuff has really changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say over the last 30 years versus how much is just
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[SPEAKER_01]: what we're exposed to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously there have been some changes that you can measure, but I think also now with the age of social media and just how interconnected we are and everyone having smart phones and cameras and video cameras.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just see everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We see things that we never, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If George Floyd had happened 25 years ago, on an international level, it probably
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[SPEAKER_01]: great like most people probably wouldn't have been caught on camera because someone would not have just had a camera in their pocket if it made news it probably would have just been local news in Minneapolis perhaps in Minnesota probably not even national news in the US let alone all the if you think about how much stuff kind of came down stream of that and it's kind of interesting to just think yeah and the past that wouldn't have happened you brought up covid earlier if that whole thing had happened twenty five years ago
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[SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't even be able to implement the response in the way they did, because they didn't have the tools and you couldn't just tell people, oh, just work at home and do Zoom calls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is Zoom, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kids need to go to school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no such thing as remote learning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no such thing as remote working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People would have probably been scared for two weeks and then it's like, okay, back to business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even prior, forget the incident itself, as prior to the television, you know, it was turning on the TV and seeing deaf numbers, the deaf toll is x, y today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's completely abstract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People don't know how many people die on a regular day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you see the number of deaths on your screen, that world is a serious and the propaganda worked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even that, I suppose, prior to that, there was also the print media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was, there were,
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that the British government, through Boris Johnson, will give him bombs of cash to print media to get on his page, and it was pretty much through the nudging it, you know, the trusted news initiative that our outlets were being convinced to propaganda, as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it will always have existed, but in different ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to give you a just a tangible example of how the country's changed, and a lot that's old, but I remember certain things that, because I lived in a town, there were certain things that continued throughout my childhood that maybe didn't exist any longer in the cities, but almost totally gone now, for example, if I was poorly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor would come out and visit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had home visits from the local doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We knew the doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was our local doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just a random person you were assigned to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were on duty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was our doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I was in trouble, I knew the local body on the beat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he saw me out and about, how's your mom or what are you up to?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew his name, the local PC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he, you know, the whole idea of giving you a clip around the air, I mean, he didn't actually give me clip around the air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But metaphorically speaking, he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could go to a local corner shop when I was under age, grab a bottle of wine and I say, this is for my mum and it was for my mum and I'd take a home and then she'd go and pay him the next day because there was that element of trust on you, the local corner shop, keep it like, does that community feeling that has, you know, I could go out and I didn't have a cell phone and I had my mobile phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that I had to come out and what's the streetlights came on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I'd be out playing with a friend, the street left, come on, we'd all have to go back home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we push it and then we hear our mother shouting down the street and so we have to double time back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, a lot of that has gone and it's all very cultural.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think having access to smartphones is meant that, okay, now the parents know where the child is at all times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can call them, but also it means that the child is on a smart phone or tablet or at all times too, so they're not necessarily out there playing as we were building sticks and playing cowboys and Indians or whatever it was we were doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's shift from that old-fashioned old-world mentality into modernity has affected us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, certainly, and it's happened all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you've recently released a book called The Silent Gehard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's that about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for bringing it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Salad G-Hard is lamification of the West, exposing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, I'm talking about how how did Britain become so Islamic?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is Islam?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are its roots?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does it get into the West?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is the purpose of the ideology?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we want to fight back against it, what can we do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm looking at history because everyone just assumes that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Islam is inherently violent ideology and so they just spread the faith their faith through the sword and conquered But it's actually not true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what we're going through in the book is that it's actually quite often more beneficial in Countries that became Islamic for people to convert Because there's a whole class system in that it
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[SPEAKER_00]: back here, in a day, if you were Christian or a Jew living in an Islamic country, you'd pay Jiziot, you'd pay us a special non-mahammed in tax, and you wouldn't have access to the same trade that the Mohammedans had, and so lots of people wanted to convert as maybe anomaly, so they could go up a class that actually trade and not pay Jiziot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of incentives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost cultural and ideological, more than it is faith-based, or was in many of the cases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we go through history, we go through examples, and we look at the current state of Britain, which is becoming increasingly Islamic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we ask the question, what do we want to do about it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do we want to be as a people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the choice I see is where Christian people or an Islamic people, there's no in between, there's no secular liberal progressive neutrality because nature have laws of vacuum and that neutrality cannot, is not a physical presence if an emptiness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and so it will be filled with either what we were or what we're looking at potentially being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a choice in front of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, talk about that a little more because you've hit a point that I've made before, which is that I think many people in the UK and in the West in general, there's this idea that you can just have just an empty secularism and that'll just work and you can just have this vacuum and I don't know it'll just be nice and woken, diverse and kind and
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[SPEAKER_01]: nice and I don't believe that that's sustainable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think very much the UK is kind of running on the fumes of Christianity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think sort of for the first time in history, the majority of the British population no longer considered themselves Christian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the first time that's been the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the USA, it's still a majority who say they are on the ground in reality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole other question, because it doesn't necessarily look to me like a country where the majority of the population is genuine the Christian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, just talk a little bit more about that, that dichotomy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's so important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, back when I was in education, I'd be on panels with...
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Secretary of State for Education and people from Think Tank, so we'd be in these meetings with the Conservative Parliamentary, let's think about how we can reshape education in the country, because we all see it's going downhill and it's tangible, you know, Paris keeps saying things like, my child has left school, unable to read, and so I'm asking the question, well, what have you done as their parents who help them read?
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[SPEAKER_00]: because for some reason we're passing all responsibility over to the state which goes to our previous conversational status and but the point is in these conversations the conservatives that big sea conservative were saying things that we need to remove any kind of political ideology we need to remove any faith and we need to make it neutral politically neutral as the time they always use everything has to be politically neutral and my answer to that was always it's impossible
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone will have an ideology, someone will have a faith, someone will have a set of political policies, and they will be implementing it if we don't implement it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we don't say this is what we're explicitly teaching, people will implicitly teach something else, whether that's the teacher, the headmaster, the parent, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so people will be teaching something, so we have to state what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what they wanted to do is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: basically remove Christianity from the syllabus in order to not offend people who weren't Christians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't work for anyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I worked in Christy's schools where people from Islamic backgrounds will send their kids to our schools knowing that or assuring that we have conservative values because they know what they Christianity is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, thought that's what we'll be teaching, but we'll work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll alter it down in order to not offend them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they weren't offended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's that woke idea if we must not offend X, Y, and said whether we've asked them if we're offended by something or not, we're making assumptions and we're taking our own ideology out to make room for someone else as essentially.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what these conservatives were doing was removing Christianity from everything and removing British values and a mitten.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Theresa May first made these values up, but Michael gave made them famous, replacing what British values are with the tolerance of other faiths and non, the rule of law.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these are just very abstract, non virtuous ideas that they had to give something to say, these are British values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they said schools must not undermine British values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't even schools must teach British values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always so passive, it's never active.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're absolutely right in that Britain
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[SPEAKER_00]: running on fumes on the fumes of Christendom for a long time now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: England was founded in 927 AD, Rick's Anglororum, the first King of England to the managed to unite the Counties under Christian faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so 927 AD, that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: over a thousand years of Christianity and for the last century we've done a way with Christianity and we seem to think somehow because we already know what's good, we know it's true, what's beautiful, we don't need the Christian faith anymore, we're opposed to enlightenment, you know, we're an enlightened people and it's sunny because we know what's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: based on our Christian morality, whether people identify as Christian or not, the moral compass of Great Britain is a Christian moral compass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what we've inherited from our fathers and their fathers, which was always Christian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's almost, it's either naive or arrogant of us to assume that we don't need the faith anymore, we can just have the values from the faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, you can't have that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a house without a foundation or crumble, we seem to think we can continue to live in the house and restrict the foundation away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's absurd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the moment you strip it away, something has to fill its place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why I'm talking about the idea that, if we're no longer a Christian as a people, then we'll become Islamic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a choice we have to make, do we want to?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What would we prefer?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people seem to think, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we know what's good and let, what is good?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Define good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They find the opposite of good, they find evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all know what's good, what's evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do we, in certain countries, you can be thrown off of a roof for being actively homosexual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that's the evil for someone of a roof for their sexual prohibitives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Britain,
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can have a conversation about what is marriage is between one man and one woman or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That conversation can't be had in other places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there are certain things we are able to do and say back home that we cannot say abroad and they will not say that they are committing evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will say that what they are doing is good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are certain countries where a woman cannot drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's illegal for women to drive and they think that's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in Britain, we will say we have equality under the law, every man and woman can drive if they possess a license.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have probably argued we don't shouldn't need a license for a free country to drive our own car, but that's another conversation entirely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm using plucking examples out of thin air, but I'm sure you can think of other examples where there are things that are deemed good in some places and deemed evil in some places that we wouldn't deemed them good and evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So therefore, there is no universal objective morality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Morality is
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[SPEAKER_00]: where I would say it's objective in the Christian sense, but it's subjective in that we pick and choose what we believe, and so we have to pick a set of beliefs, and our set of beliefs has always been the Christian beliefs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we do away with that, we can't continue to say that we know what is good and what's evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've made a really interesting point, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, gosh, I have, I have some, I have some pretty strong feelings here, I have some some pretty strong thoughts that I've spent many years sort of thinking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think with the West in general right now, I think one of the big problems that the West is having in my, from my perspective, if I'm being genuine and honest, is the whole having a plank in your own eye, while pointing out the speck in your brothers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's very, very easy to look at other nations and cultures around the world and to see the things that they do, which are wrong and which are immoral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd agree with you there, obviously, if there's a place where someone can be hung or thrown off a roof for, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: being homosexual, or women are being mistreated in this way, or such and such, like, there are all sorts of things, child marriages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are all sorts of horrible evil things that go on in the world, and I'm 100% on board with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that Americans, Brits, Canadians, Western Europeans, and so on, have a massive, cultural plank in their own eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on a lot of these things because there is incredible evil that goes on in the West, but it's just worded and framed differently, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the UK, I mean, the UK alone, we're talking about 180,000 abortions a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: USA over about a million per year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just anuous, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Killing a million unborn babies per year, and then your
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[SPEAKER_01]: pointing at other countries and saying, hey, your mistreating children, or you're doing this thing wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And...
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[SPEAKER_01]: there to for me certainly is someone with a Christian conservative perspective on the world in terms of morality right obviously you know if I'm talking to I can easily talk to you about this because we share the same moral basis if I'm talking to some you know secular atheist liberal or whatever who thinks abortion is fine or even good and that's just the woman's right to choose and her body and so right or Look what we're even at a stage where not even just in the womb right even outside of the womb there are people who are willing to
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[SPEAKER_01]: excuse baby murder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In Canada, you can, I mean, whether it's early life or late life, I mean, Canada is now executed 100,000 adults under its made program in the last decade or so, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're youth and Asia program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In Canada, you can abort a baby at any time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at any time, like up until birth in the UK, it's what any reason up until 24 weeks, and then beyond that, if there's a minor issue, and I just learned this, you know, in Canada, you know, in fantasy side of it, if the child is under 12 months, if a child is killed by his mother, it carries a lesser penalty than normal murder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't actually know that until about a week ago, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my point is, and then obviously we've got all the transging the kids and so on, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there is, and you know, and there are people in the West who get mad at me when they're like, oh, well, Zubi, this isn't apples to apples and so on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of like, I don't, I don't know, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I do think that like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: killing millions of our of like babies is like pretty horrendous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if there were a foreign country I think if there was a foreign country let's say let's let's go back okay let you know what like let's let's imagine we're going back 80 years ago say we go back 80 years ago and we're in the 1940s before the UK and US and all the West has you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: started embracing and legalizing and promoting abortion, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If in the 1940s or even in the 1950s, if there was a foreign country that was like executing a million of their unborn babies, I think people would be wanting to invade them and to implement Christendom across them, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's been this inversion now, which has happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I say this, I'm not, like I said, I'm not saying that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: horrible things that happen in other places and cultures are not objectively bad and there's plenty of plenty of evil, plenty of horrible practices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've traveled the world quite a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty aware of lots of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that it's harder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The west is kind of put itself in a position where it's kind of like harder and harder for them to be the moral arbiters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of the world when there is so much like obvious degeneracy and destruction and immorality that that's not just taking place but is being championed as in is being promoted and is being is being celebrated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see how someone who's somewhere else, I don't know, someone sitting in the Middle East might be looking over and being like, wait, who are you to lecture us, who are you to lecture us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're the one bombing the heck out of all of our countries as well for
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[SPEAKER_01]: decades and decades.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I just don't think it's, I don't think it's as clear cut as people like it to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it should be, but that's a good example, because actually, I don't think women should be driving you, but it should be fair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a much better example to use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is the greatest evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I keep saying, this is one of my new messages that I keep passing over because we need to get this out to everyone to understand that we are living now in the darkest ages that have ever been in human history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is as evil the time as that has ever been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I challenge anyone to push back here and it's there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because women are now killing more people through abortions since the 1970s than have ever killed in any war, plague, pestlems, famine, combined in whole of recorded history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_00]: we are the most evil people not because not just because it's it's happening not just because we allow it because it's often celebrated as you point it out and it's become normalized and we look back at the past we'll look back at ancient Aztecs who may have offered up a baby per month for something and killed a baby per month when like what an evil people they were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're absolutely right, we can't recognize the login on our own eye.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are more evil than them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We kill hundreds of babies per day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, for every one hundred births in Britain, there are 50 abortions, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've heard of the populations being wiped out before they even get to breathe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's disgusting, which is why we're losing our way, because our morality is so watched that we see this as normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We see it as normal to kill babies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole lindy-clansy thing just goes to show that people make excuses for killing babies outside of a woman as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's we've reached a point where women are just entirely unaccountable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's men's fault actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden when
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[SPEAKER_00]: when he first ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and Adam didn't stop her, and went along with her, and God's like, what are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we haven't learned that lesson from day one, that male leadership means being strong enough to say no, actually, and we're still not doing that word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've allowed women to vote, and the main result of women voting is they vote primarily to protect their right, to kill their own offspring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the number one voting issue for women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: across the West, like it's absurd that we've got to a point where we're allowing that to happen as men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's our fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to sit here and blame the women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's our fault because we were the only ones who were allowed to vote for the longest period of so-called democracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we've been able to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is we look at the present through the eyes of the past, and so we look at the foreign countries and think, yeah, of course, we should judge them and we should pressure them to do X-Wanset, but we're not doing it off the compass that we used to use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the British Empire spread Christianity around the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a thought that's objectively good, spreading the good news, deciphering the nations, that's what we call to do as Christians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the British Empire spread Christianity in places that it didn't exist and helped it grow in places that it already did exist and much of the world is Christian now thanks to the British Empire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: British Empire died in World War I and World War II.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're now just a country that spreads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we've already discussed we've kind of lost our Christian faith collectively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're looking at other moral values and what we're spreading in both Britain and America, what we're spreading to the East is diversity equity inclusion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is transgenderism, it is homosexuality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're actually spreading vices now, instead of virtues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're saying to these poor countries,
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[SPEAKER_00]: will give you the resources that you need to feed your people as long as you allow them to trans themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As long as you allow your men to marry other men, as long as you do these things that we now deem to be good, out of where what more are compulsory using.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're dictating a new religion to people, we're not helping them, out of the goodness of our hearts, we're not helping them, out of the Christian faith or obligation, we're helping them in order to change them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: into our own image.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're making goals of ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're idealizing our own selves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've heard it referred to as ideological colonization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, especially with what's going on in Africa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's something that most Westerners are not aware of just how much of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: how much pressure financial and otherwise the Western nations, particularly the U.S. actually put on African countries in order to make them more, to try to push them more towards secular progressivism, essentially trying to force them to legalize same-sex marriage and trying to force them to, you know, Africa is generally very pro-life and, you know, they're trying to...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the fact that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_01]: missionaries going from like Africa to Western nations then the other way around is just gets just kind of come full circle and they're going to be like, hey, hey, you guys are out of hand, we need to we need to re-teach you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking to us a few centuries ago?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've said this in Africa, so like we sent the ghost picture, you guys need to return it back to us now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've lost it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um of the the things you talk about in the in the silent geod what is your what what is your biggest concern for the West when you talk about Islamification What what is it you're seeing that
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[SPEAKER_01]: genuinely concerns you because there will be some people out there who hear that and they're like, oh yeah, I know exactly what he's talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there will be other people who are like, what do you mean that what do you mean that the West or the UK has become becoming Islamic?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't track.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are now more sharia courts in Britain than they're on the rest of Europe combined.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and there are people running these courts and there are people in Britain that are banned from where you live in the UAE, that are banned from the Arab countries because the scene is to be being too extremist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we welcome them in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think until long ago the head of Hamas was living in Britain for getting the safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, for some reason we've become a hotbed for Islamist extremism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll use the time again and I'll explain why shortly, but we've become a hotbed for people that hate us hate our way of life and want to see us dead and replaced quite literally and that's that's it on the extremities, but also just in the middle in the mid ground, you know
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a conflicting ideology and so we can have a conversation about whether we believe is long to be good or evil, I personally believe it to be evil, but whether people believe it to be good or evil doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a case of do we want it to replace what we of previously had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the question we're facing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll get to why I think it's evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think look, if we look at the founding of both faiths in Christianity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of the apostles, but one, died for the faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They believed in a truth so much that they were willing to give their liars for it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were marted for what they believed in, for who they believed in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first people that followed Christ are Christians, and so that shows that there's a remarkable truth and there's a beauty in that, there's a goodness in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first Mohammedans, the people who followed Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammedans,
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[SPEAKER_00]: healed for what they believed in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They conquered and subjected to it for what they believed to be true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I say that that's a contrast right there from beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One set of people that are willing to die for that truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other set of people are willing to kill for that truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We, again, we have to decide what of those two things we see as objectively good and evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then look at the founders, Jesus Christ Himself, fully God yet, fully man came to earth to say, you're not doing it right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is how you do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, just said, repent of your sin and follow me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to break it down, to break down the gospel to it, it's core fundamentals, it's stop sinning, stop going away from me, stop going away from my father, and head towards me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he implemented the sacraments to make that easier for us to give as a means of his grace, because we can do nothing without the grace of God, nothing good without the grace of God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're closed of all our sin, we're closed of original sin through our baptism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that enables us to live that Christian life, and of course we still have contributions so we can still fall, but he wants us to not fall, he wants us to head upwards, where so that he came to spread the good news, whereas Mohammed, what did he do during his life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he is purported that he believed he was hearing from demons, he later goes on to say he thinks it was an angel, that the Bible teaches us to be aware of
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[SPEAKER_00]: of angels who are actually in demons and disguise and then he goes on to marry a six year old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's cliche to discuss it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to bring it up several as often as possible, but to marry a six year old and consummate that wedding at nine years or more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's only married by the way, polygamy as well, also something Christianity ended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's pedophilia, by any definition, and in most societies, pedophilia is as fraude upon us as evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if the founder of the faith is committing acts that we deem to be evil, versus the founder of the faith, who is wholly in the embodiment of goodness, that's a young young right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because people want to say, okay, everyone with the faith, everyone believes in God, that's a good thing to believe in a God, to have a set of beliefs as a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it agrees a sense of pluralism, that there are multiple elements to the truth,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the multiple ways of being good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is one universal objective truth, because the name is Jesus Christ, to follow him is the only way to become good to become holy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everything else is in a lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so as a Christian words push against lies, which push flies away, which destroy evil, and we're to bring people towards goodness, treat abutably, bring people to Christ, for the salvation of their salvation, to save their souls,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, if we truly believe in Christianity, we cannot live in a society that is pluralist, we cannot live in a society where evil is celebrated, whether it's abortion or Islam, that they are contradictory to Christianity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I started off by saying, is Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Extremist and I'll explain why or use that term going forward, because Islam itself, the ideology, is extreme for us in a Western sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: dominating a society to make this society Islamic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about bringing a set of ideas and taking over what's already there and replacing them with your set of ideas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if those ideas were good, that might make sense to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when we don't see those ideas as good, we see that as basically acting like a virus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, we tend to think there's an idea of a moderate, moderate,
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[SPEAKER_00]: person who has actually become less faithful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The more faithful the person is in Islam, the more extremist they are from our perspective from our Christian lens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so a good Mohammed and a good follower of Islam is actually a bad person in the Christian eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas and the people who are pushed back and say, yeah, but Christians do bad things too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, a bad Christian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But a good Christian, someone who is strived towards holiness, will not do those same things that a Muhammad in the allowed to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For example, in Islam, it's perfectly acceptable to murder someone who is apostate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are no punishments to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's celebrated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone who's left Islam, you can kill them, rightly kill them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are certain circumstances where you can kill someone who's not a Muhammad in Christian or a Jew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So someone at whose outside of the book, the faith of the book is okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, an acceptable to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: objectively evil, because one of the ten commandments is thou shalt not murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a conflict in virtues and vices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will paint some vices as virtues and we will say that's in virtue of the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, you said a lot of things there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: what direction to take this in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you said something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you manage it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you manage it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, as a Christian living in an Islamic country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see those conflicts?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you walk around that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a very good question because as I said, I grew up in Saudi Arabia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I lived in Saudi Arabia from the age of one until the age of 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I now live in the UAE and I've been there for about three or four years at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have spent at least half of my life in the Islamic countries, at least on paper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can maybe I can speak from both perspectives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So growing up as a Christian where I lived in Saudi Arabia, I grew up in, you know, I grew up in a very, you know, multi-cultural diverse community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my parents, you know, my dad worked for Aramco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we lived in Aramco Camp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So very international community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can probably hear it in my accent right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of Americans, Canadians, Brits, people from all over the Arab world, Africa, Asia, just, everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you saw a picture of my,
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[SPEAKER_01]: kindergarten class, it looked like a mini-u-n or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was everything was fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So growing up in Saudi like that, there were kind of two worlds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was the bubble, there was the bubble where you live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then also you go outside that, right, if you want to go shopping, if you want to, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: venture out then you're going into the what let's call the real Saudi Arabia and this was in the let's say the late 80s up until the mid 2000s so I can talk from that time period.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know in the last 20 years Saudi Arabia has had some changes at reforms but when I lived there it was it was more conservative than it is now were there any challenges to be frank?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, people got on, people got on fine, you, you just, you know, see, see, the thing is, I'm, I'm generally a believer of, uh, and this cuts in all directions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very much, someone who travels a lot and has been to almost 50 countries, I'm very much a fan and a proponent of being respectful to the local culture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's as absurd when you have, I don't know, someone wants to go to the Qatar World Cup and they want to wear their pride flag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm generally just like you respect the culture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't mean you have to become the thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like you must convert.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're a, you know, growing up there, it was like there were no problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just everyone was just respectful of everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was, it was actual tolerance, not the kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, not the kind of like fake, mushy, weird tolerance that we're all saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got it, so just just like a genuine look, here's what these people believe, here's what these people believe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you can't no one can assault anyone, no one can rob from anyone, no one can kill anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, right, just kind of be normal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People have their different beliefs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People can have their.
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[SPEAKER_01]: debates and so on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously in Saudi Arabia, there are no church buildings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did go to church growing up, but the church I went to was either in like a theater or in a school gymnasium or some other public, some other public building.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now living in the UAE now, so about, I think about 20% of the population where I live is Christian, I don't know the percentage Muslim, I
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[SPEAKER_01]: there's a small Jewish population.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's quite a big Hindu population there are Sikhs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in UAE there are actual churches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for example, there's St. Mary's Catholic Church, which I believe has the second biggest parish in the entire world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's in the UAE of all places.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are millions of Christians in the UAE.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, even talking about the Middle East in general,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we even use the term the West, like the West is not himogenous, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The West is not one thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: France is not the same as Sweden, which is not the same as Australia, which is not the same as the USA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the Middle East, my main experience in the Middle East is the Gulf countries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, so when I talk about, I don't know, I've not spent time in Afghanistan or in Syria or in Pakistan or in like there are lots and lots of different countries and there are laws and their cultures and all sorts of things are
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[SPEAKER_01]: just as different at least as things may be between various Western countries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm actually just trying to...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to explain my experience in a decent way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your question was, do I have any conflict or something like that personally?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, in fact, it's almost the opposite to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And let me try to explain this the best way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of my actual beliefs and values and morals, the things I believe to be right or wrong,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, socially and culturally, not necessarily theologically, living in the UAE.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels closer to my values in reality and in practice than, I don't know, living in London or living in Los Angeles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's that being terms of my perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually a place that they actually implement the conservative values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is Islamic values, whereas I would say it's conservative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's conservative in the right way and liberal in the right way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so it's conservative in the sense that it's a genuinely safe place, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not the veneer of safety, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they do punish crime, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows that Dubai is not the place to be drug dealing and robbing people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like everyone knows that in fact it's quite famous, just like Singapore is for being pretty harsh with people who want to commit serious offenses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's very pro-family, like you don't have all this weird anti-family stuff, very pro-family, pro-children, I've already said it's a pro-life country, it's very, it's very orderly, people just respect each other and leave each other alone, it's not a chaotic, it's not a chaotic place, they don't celebrate degeneracy, they have never seen a pride flag ever, so it's like, look, if someone wants to be gay,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like no one's going to like I have certainly seen gay people in Dubai, right, but like it's not you can't have a parade, right, it's a it's a it's a private thing, right, you can't go and start like pushing this in the schools and trying to like force this it's just like no, like if you want to do that like like we're not going to
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there are other Islamic countries where it's like, okay, like, they go in the opposite direction where it's like, okay, that person's life is in danger now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then even when it comes to religion, so a lot of people have asked me, so you can, you can practice people can practice their religions there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's plenty of churches, just my own church, which has a congregation of, I think, about 6,000 people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do...
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[SPEAKER_01]: seven services every Sunday and that's just one church that's just one church of many so you can practice your church you can you know you can wear your cross you can have bibles you can you I've seen people there with you know the the yamacas and you know they have going to synagogue and so on obviously there are plenty of mosques there are people practicing their religions the only the only legal thing when it comes to religion is
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[SPEAKER_01]: publicly proselytized to muslims, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I'll tell you what, I actually don't even, so someone might be like, oh my gosh, Zubi, like, how can I help me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, this is even kind of interesting conversation, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know, I think the right answer, obviously, in that nation, let me just talk about the UAE and this maybe goes for other Gulf countries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the UAE at its core, it is a Muslim country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as I've said, Emirates are only 20% of the country's population.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have 80% of people coming in from all over with their own nationalities, cultures, religions, and so on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At their core, they themselves do not want to be, quote unquote, conquered, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to remain who they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I respect that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: even though I'm a Christian myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, that's what I want for Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is my thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I when I see in the UK, they've gone beyond tolerance in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I mean, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're converting churches into mosques and so on and so forth, it's like, wait, there are countries say Saudi Arabia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot build a church, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't build a church in Saudi Arabia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the UK, that's like, look, in
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're happy to defend their own kind of core principles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're willing to be tolerant, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go to the, you can come in from anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can come, you can be visit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hospitable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People will be kind to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can even become a resident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can buy property and so on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the core, they're like, okay, we need to have these certain barriers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think what's happened in the UK, and this is what creates a lot of resentment is it's gone beyond just like, look, anyone can come here and you know, people can practice their religions and they can believe what they believe and so on, but look at its core.
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[SPEAKER_01]: this is who we are and this is what we believe in their certain boundaries that we want to maintain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a huge problem at least in the UK is that it's gone from tolerance to, I don't even know what the word is, almost like, more than dilution, almost like just bending over backwards completely and allowing, allowing the core.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is what breeds a lot of the disruption and resentment between all of these various communities because there is pluralism now, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether or not somebody thinks that the UK should be a pluralistic society, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got people in the just take London.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've probably got 180 different nationalities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: living in London.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And people can feel how they want about that, some people like that, some people don't, and so on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But London is a city in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_01]: London is the capital of England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and as much as demographics and so on would shift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I say this is obviously I'm not some people can look at me, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not some Anglo-Saxon, you know, blood going back generations to the homeland of England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think for every country, like they have a right to
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[SPEAKER_01]: at the core just kind of keep who they are so I don't feel any type of and I and by the way I chose to live in Dubai so if the most important thing to me in my hierarchy of values if the most important thing to me was being able to go out there on the street and you know preach the gospel to everyone walking by and so on which I also don't do an England by the way but if that was the most important thing to me then it would make sense for me to move to the UAE.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but given all of the other things that I think about and I care about and the fact that look, I believe wherever you live, whatever you do, there are always going to be some compromises.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just a reality of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's no problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I wouldn't move to the UAE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can do what my faith calls me to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm perfectly okay with them saying, actually, we don't want any Christians living here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want Christians proselytizing here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And perfectly okay with them doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do the same in Britain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say, actually, I don't want any followers of Mohammed living in Britain because their ideology says they can commit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they can commit g-hard whether spiritual physical in any way you see people so until until they dominate can I jump in because I want I want I want I want I want you you've you've you've said two things they're very quickly which are very different to me so one is I don't want X people living here you know and two is the proselytizing so do you think so is your view that Muslims shouldn't
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because they're going against their faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in my I would say I push back on you saying a mokey living here as long as they're processed So now I would say our faith calls us to evangelize our faith calls us to say if someone is not it doesn't their Jesus We are caught to bring them to Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you're letting down yourself and and Jesus a little bit not not sound too harsh, but in that that's what we're doing
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[SPEAKER_00]: Disciple the nations, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I couldn't live in an Arabic country where I'm not able to bring people to Jesus And I can see them living in sin living in our living in a falsehood that I wouldn't be able to do that and I don't Okay, so even even if it's Because the laws against don't I don't even know I don't need to be at this one of those laws like there's lots of laws where I've never actually seen anything implemented so people don't even know exactly where the boundaries are as far as I'm aware It's about it's like public
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, so this is not saying you can't have a conversation with your muslim friend and debate and give them a Bible and try to bring them to your position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more about street preaching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see it in the UK, there are people who stand out on the street with different religions do it from Scientology to Islam, to Joe's witnesses and so on, and you're there and you're maybe you've even got some amplification and you're trying to, they just don't do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even with Islam, they don't really do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they wouldn't need to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more private, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, if you wanted to invite your Muslim friend to church, you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you wanted to, if you can, if you wanted to have whatever conversation you want, or debate you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's more of a public private.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to boundary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, again, at the thin time, I would say, I don't want anyone preaching on the streets of Britain for, is law more, seekers and more, Hinduism, more Judaism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think at a Christian country, you can preach Christianity, and you can choose to be a Christian or not choose to be a Christian, but you don't get to implement other faiths in our Christian country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the boundary that our
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[SPEAKER_01]: how would you implement that in practice?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you did actually want to do that what would that actually look like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well I suppose in a similar way that they're doing the U.S. and if someone's standing outside with a stand and they've got her arms on there, they've got to make a firm and saying, Submit to Allah, then they get arrested and say no, we don't do that here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, that's that's very nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But isn't that different to saying people of that faith or not allowed to live in the country?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what I mean to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would do that for as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are two different things that I would, I would admit as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if we're gonna have any immigration in Britain, and that's the conversation entirely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we all gonna have any immigration, it should be people that share our values and share our beliefs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there are many people who need to get out,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Christians in Nigeria have been killed by Bulkah Rom every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We could be taking them in, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are people Christians in Syria, Christians in Outsack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are Christians across the world in different places where they're persecuted, oppressed, and killed for their faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are the ones we should be taking in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we should be taking in people who are contradictory beliefs, who want to take over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reply thoroughly with theirs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is counterproductive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't actually help them or their country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't help us or our country either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand it as a I understand it as a perspective, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're wondering how I'll think of Trump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just about Rick's number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Say that again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Think about Trump's Muslim Obama as an example.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the first one that's ever attempted anything like it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a Muslim ban though, was it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a ban, travel ban from certain countries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which did not include lots of massive Muslim countries?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be happy to say, as of today, there are no more people coming from Pakistan or Afghanistan to Britain, like, straight away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did you arrive at that position?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just curious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're obviously terrorists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The most of Western terrorism comes from there or is bred from there and now we have our own grown terrorism of people that have moved from there but also for a population that is so small in our country around 5 to 6 percent of people are Pakistani in heritage 65 to 75 and some people estimate even 85 percent of child sexual exploitation happens within those communities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's actually a fact of we caught forward to have those people coming into our country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's detrimental to our young girls who are being systematically groomed and raped by a Pakistani Mohammedan men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we can sit around and say, well, not all of them, of course not all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If there's such a small number of them committing such a large percentage of that particular crime, and we'll want that crime to end, we'll just say bang, day one, no more people from the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think there's a...
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[SPEAKER_01]: a danger in that logic that certain people would like to apply in other directions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I mean, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you know, neither of us are, neither of us are white guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure that there are people out there who think, okay, like no more black people because, you know, statistically black people commit disproportionate amount of crime in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Zubi's not a lot in America because he shares the same skin
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we've been afraid of implementing things for so long because of other people in preventing them in a different way, and it's paralyzed, actually, on the conservative right, and that we haven't done things because what if the left get in the power and they use this policy against us, like, we've stopped us from drinking, so I think we need to, but on that direct idea, the portfolio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If a country wants to decide that it wants to maintain its demographic nature, that's something like that country to decide.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If America said, look, we're not letting any more black people in, I think that's up to America to say, I don't necessarily think it would be good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree in theory that it's their choice to make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think it would be a good, I don't think it would be a good or a wise or necessarily a moral policy, and I say this, I say this generally, someone who thinks more as an individualist than a collectiveist, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm generally not a fan of collective blame or collective punishment or just grouping people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, for this sake of conversation, as you said earlier, sometimes we make generalizations, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but the general idea of, okay, like this entire country or this entire ethnicity, there's an entire, like, boom, just a blanket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blank it, punishments work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because we can't get every single pack he's standing my hammered and out of Britain who has, who has been part of a pack he's only my hammering rate gang.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get that out individually, so you can just say, look, all of them have to go until we've sold his problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then perhaps someday in the future you can let more and if you want to, but you don't have
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the question about America was slightly different because America has a black population anyway because that's part of America's history and actually I think African Americans are very different to Africans, so it wouldn't make it, I don't think it would translate the same, because African Americans do commit a lot of proportionate of violent crime, comparative to other Americans, but stopping Africans from coming into America wouldn't change that crime rate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just trying to understand the logic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even, I'm not someone who gets generally offended by ideas or anything, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to accept that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a committing so much for America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to let any more small ends into a country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How'd it be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, fair enough, I understand why someone would think that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's, I don't think it's the right implementation.
01:06:22.895 --> 01:06:24.556
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't personally think it's a right implementation of it.
01:06:25.057 --> 01:06:28.800
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it should be more, I think it should be more granular.
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:33.083
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a fan of, I get the collective punishment can quote unquote work in a sense.
01:06:35.425 --> 01:06:41.409
[SPEAKER_01]: I just know that, yeah, I'd be cautious of giving that tool
01:06:44.083 --> 01:06:49.994
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of people, I feel good to see the feminists who are like, oh, you know, men commit access.
01:06:50.014 --> 01:06:51.878
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, all men need to just be in them.
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:56.982
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I get the thinking because trust me, I've had those urges in my life, right?
01:06:57.022 --> 01:06:58.003
[SPEAKER_01]: Where is it?
01:06:58.724 --> 01:07:01.707
[SPEAKER_01]: You, you know, the certain patterns that you see certain things and you're just like, you know what?
01:07:01.727 --> 01:07:02.547
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like all of it.
01:07:02.567 --> 01:07:05.410
[SPEAKER_00]: Just, but I think on an actual policy level.
01:07:05.750 --> 01:07:06.170
[SPEAKER_00]: Say that again.
01:07:06.411 --> 01:07:07.732
[SPEAKER_00]: It's being a teacher in the classroom.
01:07:07.792 --> 01:07:08.873
[SPEAKER_00]: There are kids talking.
01:07:08.933 --> 01:07:10.554
[SPEAKER_00]: If I catch them talking, I can punish them.
01:07:10.574 --> 01:07:11.835
[SPEAKER_00]: I can give them a detention.
01:07:11.855 --> 01:07:13.497
[SPEAKER_00]: So you, attention must be on me as a teacher.
01:07:13.537 --> 01:07:15.739
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm passing on knowledge to you, stop distracting.
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:18.561
[SPEAKER_00]: If I can't catch them talking and I can continue to the hair.
01:07:18.581 --> 01:07:18.982
[SPEAKER_00]: It's coming from,
01:07:19.462 --> 01:07:21.082
[SPEAKER_00]: some different places in the classroom or something.
01:07:21.102 --> 01:07:23.983
[SPEAKER_00]: I can just say actually the whole class is staying behind blankly, punishment.
01:07:24.203 --> 01:07:29.584
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they'll learn that actually and they start to self-regulate as well, which is something that we need to see more of in these communities.
01:07:29.844 --> 01:07:35.625
[SPEAKER_00]: Like people not wanting to be punished for someone else in their own community stopping them from committing the problem in the first place.
01:07:35.825 --> 01:07:36.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:07:36.605 --> 01:07:48.647
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, this comes back to, and comes back to what I was saying earlier, which is something I'm like really, one of the things I'm probably like most quote-unquote right-wing or conservative on is just the issue of crime.
01:07:50.402 --> 01:08:09.411
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, just the issue of crime because I think if we if we if we just really really dealt with crime and criminals properly, then a lot of these other conversations become moved true right and the the thing that's the thing I think that is preventing this is because
01:08:16.255 --> 01:08:16.536
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:08:16.736 --> 01:08:30.271
[SPEAKER_01]: So if a demographic is overrepresented, quote, unquote, in prison population or whatever, then we need to we need to rejig the system to bounce like I do not I do not care about that.
01:08:31.373 --> 01:08:46.905
[SPEAKER_01]: Right if more black people in the UK or USA or what are our committing more crime Then the percent the the prison population should be completely proportionate not to the general population But to the the to the criminal the crime.
01:08:47.205 --> 01:08:56.772
[SPEAKER_01]: To the criminal to the criminal population Right if that means that it's more people who quote unquote look like me who end up being in prison or who are like Okay, like
01:08:57.841 --> 01:09:12.512
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not ideal in a perfect world, but if those are the people committing the crimes, right, if you clamp down on fraud properly, and you put all the Somalians who are doing fraud, and you put them in prison, right?
01:09:12.532 --> 01:09:20.597
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously you uphold the law at the border to begin with, so you don't have millions of people coming in illegally, then I'm just like, all of this other stuff becomes...
01:09:21.438 --> 01:09:47.565
[SPEAKER_01]: becomes moot it's just like okay cool now you actually do have a high-trust society because regardless of what your neighbor looks like you know that they're a law-biting citizen because the people who are not law-biting citizens all right we either we've kept them out to begin with or they they've been dealt with for their individual actions and behaviors but when you have this yeah but but when you have this thing of just like you know what we're just going to let people get
01:09:48.958 --> 01:09:49.318
[SPEAKER_01]: whatever.
01:09:49.398 --> 01:09:50.679
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you another thing.
01:09:50.959 --> 01:10:02.083
[SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely think that this approach actually ends up creating more racism and xenophobia, all these other things that people worry about, it leads to it creates more of it.
01:10:02.843 --> 01:10:08.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you just let some people just run out and do whatever they want and run rough shot over society and you don't punish them,
01:10:09.626 --> 01:10:30.044
[SPEAKER_01]: then it makes people more suspicious because they don't know then right they do start to do those group categorizations where they just say oh well you know what it seems like everyone who looks like this or all these people who are like this or whatever you know these people are are criminals so I'm just gonna stay away from that entire demographic I'm gonna just stay away from this entire and I'm just like man just
01:10:30.883 --> 01:10:32.964
[SPEAKER_01]: deal with the problems properly.
01:10:33.024 --> 01:10:40.828
[SPEAKER_01]: All these cases of someone's gone out and they robbed, assaulted 20, 30 times, and they're back out on the street again.
01:10:40.888 --> 01:10:43.590
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what, what are we doing here?
01:10:43.930 --> 01:10:48.712
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why keep put that person in prison and just leave them there.
01:10:49.053 --> 01:10:50.073
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if they're black.
01:10:50.093 --> 01:10:50.853
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if they're white.
01:10:50.894 --> 01:10:52.254
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if they're Hispanic.
01:10:52.274 --> 01:10:54.535
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if they're Arab, but just they're criminal.
01:10:56.024 --> 01:10:57.466
[SPEAKER_00]: which prison should be a punishment.
01:10:57.506 --> 01:10:58.548
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about rehabilitation.
01:10:58.588 --> 01:11:02.674
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about removing them from society, preventing them from causing harm to civilians.
01:11:03.315 --> 01:11:10.665
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, if something works like stop and search if it works, you're finding more youth with knives, getting them off the street, getting their knives off the street, being good.
01:11:11.126 --> 01:11:15.668
[SPEAKER_00]: But to remove stop and search in places like London because it looks to racist because too many black people being searched.
01:11:16.009 --> 01:11:19.190
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem that's causing the resentment that you were just talking about.
01:11:19.350 --> 01:11:19.930
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
01:11:20.311 --> 01:11:22.092
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've just bought my first house.
01:11:22.552 --> 01:11:24.093
[SPEAKER_00]: I made sure it wasn't to the black area.
01:11:24.273 --> 01:11:26.734
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to live around too many African Americans because I don't want crime.
01:11:26.934 --> 01:11:28.595
[SPEAKER_00]: And the crime statistics are quite clear.
01:11:28.615 --> 01:11:32.657
[SPEAKER_00]: If you live in an area like this, heavily African American, you're going to have more crime than any otherwise.
01:11:32.957 --> 01:11:34.718
[SPEAKER_00]: This is statistic to the true.
01:11:36.398 --> 01:11:37.799
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely, those decisions.
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:42.383
[SPEAKER_00]: If everyone was treated fairly under the law and the law was implemented and criminals were moved, it wouldn't matter.
01:11:42.403 --> 01:11:42.903
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:11:43.504 --> 01:11:44.365
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
01:11:44.385 --> 01:11:44.945
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my point.
01:11:45.345 --> 01:11:49.749
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't just say this theoretically again, I know people think I talk about Dubai too much.
01:11:49.889 --> 01:11:59.977
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, it's such an interesting place because it bucks a lot of the, a lot of things that people just think are, this is just how it is.
01:12:01.098 --> 01:12:03.240
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a city of like 4 million
01:12:04.900 --> 01:12:22.827
[SPEAKER_01]: where it's like, it's literally statistically on any chart, Dubai is one of these not just Dubai Dubai Abu Dhabi dohai and Qatar like these are some of these safe cities in the entire world and they are very diverse different religions different nationalities different side by side but
01:12:24.030 --> 01:12:28.592
[SPEAKER_01]: They all have very strict immigration policies and they're strict on crime.
01:12:28.652 --> 01:12:43.537
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to live there, it doesn't matter whether you're coming from Pakistan or from Canada or from the UK or from Germany or Jordan, everyone is on the same page of these are the rules and the regulations and the laws.
01:12:45.903 --> 01:12:46.623
[SPEAKER_01]: and we follow this.
01:12:47.103 --> 01:12:55.246
[SPEAKER_00]: And because of the circumstances to think that, all conservatives used to be tough on crime, what's happened is the conservatives who have been replaced by liberals, and everybody wants to be progressive now.
01:12:55.426 --> 01:12:58.607
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody wants to be seen as racist, everyone wants to be seen as inclusive.
01:12:58.907 --> 01:13:02.548
[SPEAKER_00]: Their whole agenda is diversity, equity, inclusion on both sides of the house.
01:13:02.948 --> 01:13:04.269
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we fall in fall, right?
01:13:05.189 --> 01:13:06.109
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:13:06.629 --> 01:13:08.330
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, Calvin, what have you got coming up?
01:13:10.792 --> 01:13:11.392
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know.
01:13:12.293 --> 01:13:13.453
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm speaking a few gigs.
01:13:13.533 --> 01:13:17.454
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling people about my book, and I'm just getting on with my parish work.
01:13:17.474 --> 01:13:19.835
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got lovely little parish here in West Michigan.
01:13:19.875 --> 01:13:21.735
[SPEAKER_00]: It's St. Paul's Church of Grand Rapids.
01:13:21.775 --> 01:13:26.396
[SPEAKER_00]: If people want to come to Mass Sundays at 10am, that's what it's all about, really there's nothing more important than that.
01:13:26.997 --> 01:13:27.257
[SPEAKER_01]: Amen.
01:13:27.557 --> 01:13:29.837
[SPEAKER_01]: No dude, it's been awesome talking to you.
01:13:30.177 --> 01:13:31.818
[SPEAKER_01]: I love these type of conversations because
01:13:34.628 --> 01:13:40.019
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't speak with everybody about, like, all of these topics without it being, like, weird.
01:13:41.668 --> 01:14:07.874
[SPEAKER_00]: weird or awkward or the other person gets offended or this or that and so I like having someone where like we can just open the talk about all of these things from all different angles and agree and disagree and kind of test each other ideas and it's most people either fully agree with me or fully against me whereas you and I've looked so many we agree fundamentally on the core principles where you have so many disagreements that we can kind of work through their media so so all I'm a couple I love it it's great no doubt man and where can people find
01:14:09.762 --> 01:14:17.815
[SPEAKER_00]: Calvin Robinson.com is my sub-stack that's probably the best place as it's a free speech platform, but I'm on all social media platforms just at Calvin Robinson.
01:14:18.296 --> 01:14:18.537
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
01:14:19.057 --> 01:14:20.159
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for the gift here to our galvan.
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:20.800
[SPEAKER_01]: Always a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God bless you, Zubi.