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[SPEAKER_00]: My story, welcome back to Real Talk with Zubey, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing, bro?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wonderful, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see you, brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Glad to be doing it again, which you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we were just doing a little preamble before I hit the record, but, and what are your current thoughts on the state of the USA?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's a massive question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a massive question that demands a nuanced answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As someone that grew up in the birthplace of America, I grew up in Philadelphia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to take tours of City Hall and like last summer, I was down at Independence Hall with a Constitutional with Signed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I take tour, I like that type of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are such a far cry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I say this with such a crazy, heavy heart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are such a far cry from,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the story of America right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are the story being up against tyranny, up against a repressive regime, up against the British Empire that were like, no, you're all going to forever be colonies and dudes are like, yo bro, we get in tax too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not allowed to worship the way we want to worship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That story is the epitome of the rocky story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the underdog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we, okay, we kind of got to go with the slavery thing for a little bit, but we're gonna.
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[SPEAKER_01]: worked to overthrow it and we then overthrow it and this and that and this Philadelphia and it of itself was crafted by William Penn to be a place of freedom where women had rights and all of these different things and not knowing all of this history and traveling around the country for the last 10 years teacher people about firearms basics teacher people about civics teacher I mean just the basics not you know constitutional scholar stuff but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing that and now to the question of how am I feeling about the state of things in the United States of America, bro?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am thoroughly disenchanted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am disappointed with the lack of civic involvement that the General American public has and I am disgusted by the level of propaganda and hatred
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[SPEAKER_01]: and vitriol, that it seems that, and again, it's a lot of us online when you go outside in reality, like, my neighbor has happened to be white, and I'll promise you it's not a health to scale to go and on between me and my neighbors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We was like picking out some potatoes that we grew together like last week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just the
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[SPEAKER_01]: persuaded by that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm disappointed and I'm disgusted in people that I've watched that I had so much respect for as you know I'm a libertarian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching even libertarians fall victim to this race-bait collective is narrative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I thought the guys that were, I looked at as sound, nuanced, objective, you know, non-collective is voices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm disappointed in my countrymen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thoroughly disappointed, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are taxed out of the Wahzu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing started based on your taxing as too much, the whole America thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are taxed out of the Wahzu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, there's over 20,000 unconstitutional anti-gun statutes in America across the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are now, as of yesterday, on social media talking about what is going on in Spain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that these things should happen in Spain,
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, our dollar has been lost, 96% of its spending power since the federal reserve was created.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these are some of the most, when you know American history or world history, you start to go, we are the upside down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the stranger things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are the exact opposite of what the principles were supposed to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just, I'm just disheartened, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't look at my country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look at the people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we happen at RV,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we go to places, and we see other people, and they're like, oh, you gotta RV too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I see the people, you know, that are the actual American people that are living at, I'm given a bit of a spike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, okay, but this conversation around freedom and rights and the responsibilities that go along with them, I'm disappointed in my country, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the biggest political comeback story in this current Trump administration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was going to be that I was in in 2024 I was there at the libertarian national convention when president Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lineup was great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zezec Ramaswami, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Junior, Trump, the defective Democrats, the right and the left creating a coalition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna push back on income tax.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna push back on a deep state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They stole 2020 from me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was born in and he came to the libertarian convention and asked for our help and said, hey, I need you to help to fight against this machine and by all intents and purposes,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Biden was weak in the bernies like it was clearly he's a puppet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clear and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've watched this current president and I say this, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm friendly with Don Jr. and a few other folks over there, but I have to be honest, this has been the, this went from potentially the biggest political comeback story to the most disappointing political presidency that I've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just had the president just say we should be okay with more data centers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which are bases for, they're not that as soon as they are surveillance, you know, for the deep state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be okay with these flat cameras, be okay with the panoptic on and I know I'm throwing a lot back at that at that question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is how I currently feel about America, politically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The, again, one of the major things that makes me get a little bit more of that spike of hope is when I go to a state that I've never been to, and at this point, I pretty much been to every state in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when I shoot over to Utah, and I'm seeing people growing food and working together, and they respect that and understand it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously that's a black dude, that's a Spanish dude,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the content of the dude's character is mostly what is the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, this dude's great at, he's going to hook your car up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got some trouble with your car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's who you, that's who you holler at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sex and such, he's great at farming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If something comes about, if you need some extra potatoes, that's who you go see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm inspired again by getting off of social media for a second and kind of like engaging humans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, that does not change the reality that there are a lot of so-called public service that are advocating for things that are encroaching slowly and making the ground shrink underneath our feet of these freedoms that we have while at the same time, we're making massive fun of being very derogatory to other countries like Dubai.
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[SPEAKER_01]: oh you know if you black over there you're a slave and I'm like you pay about half of your money in taxes in America and I'm not not not dunking on Americans just say in row you worked for half of the year and you gave that to the government that prints the money so
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll lay in there because I know that I was a truncated question against her, but I'm so disappointed with the freedom people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are advocating for more enslavement financially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when we're talking about a panopticon, flat cameras.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just violations of our fourth amendment rights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that's because I'm older and I'm getting grumpy or if that's because I'm getting wiser and had that base of history to go like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're a through tea in the harbor because of this type of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where I'm currently at some, like we were saying, some of some of the homies are like, man, I'm moving to Dubai.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been actively, seriously thinking about it like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, what if this was the siops?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It convinced America's the Americans that we are in the land of the free when we're effectively tax-cattled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I'm still optimistic, but it's definitely a cautious optimism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why do you think that there is such a disconnect between Americans in real life and Americans online and in politics?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because when I go to the USA, like I'm a well-traveled man, I've been to about 50 different countries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm from the UK, but I've been to 26 of the 50 American states so far and talk to a lot of people in all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in my experience, Americans in the USA and also overseas are generally some of the kindness, friendlyist and most generous people out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: White, black, Hispanic, Asian, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Americans in general, I would just say are good decent people overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I go to the USA, I have so many positive experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think this is just because I'm who I am, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like everyone I know is familiar with my work or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just daily interactions, people are just very kind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never personally experienced any of that scary racism people talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never had a negative interaction with the cops in America or anything like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now I live it right now I'm in Dubai right and you know if I go on X and I see what's going on in the U.S. or I go on YouTube or something right it always looks it always looks crazy people are at each other's throats it seems very divisive I see racist comments all the time I see all sorts of nastiness and political partisanship going wrong and then if you look into the upper halls of politics you know the people who represent the USA on a global stage
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[SPEAKER_00]: don't have a great reputation, generally speaking, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not just here in the Middle East, but you know, around the world, the USA has involved in like everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how why do you think there's this strange disconnect where like American people are generally awesome and the country is generally
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[SPEAKER_00]: there does seem to be this massive divisiveness and a lot of hate flying around and a lot of very concerning things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a victim of our own success financially and usually, you know, how a republics could happen, you know, we were in the early stages of what looks like the end of an empire or a republic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like seven out of ten things that Rome did or Greece did, we're doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but going back to the online component of it,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The dead internet theory is a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think maybe even been as early as last week, somebody was like, you know, it came out that 51% of the energy and traffic online is bots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And 49 is actually human.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to tap into the 10% of that 49% and just engage those humans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to remain in whatever, but when you go to X more specifically, and I'm not, again, I don't wanna put you in the spot
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[SPEAKER_01]: Elon bought X or Twitter and turned it into X.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Elon, this is my opinion, based on some of the things, Elon has curated a space for maybe not intentionally, maybe not intentionally, and on that specific platform that I'm on a lot, I really enjoy social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you do it right, it can be amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of these platforms have been co-opted and the bots and the dead internet theory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when the owner of the platform is consistently reposting things that could kind of be like, bro, you gotta use these powers more for good than what could be misconstrued as evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then that creates more of this snowball effect for online.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the online component of this vitriol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And along with,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of the people that say that stuff online would never say this to you in real life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like they get to play out the human components that are actually doing this because I think a lot of it is bots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there is a lot of money in division and argument and keeping people on platforms so they go back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we can advertise and get more for our advertising revenue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we throttle your individual views or reach because we don't want the advertisers coming directly to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want the advertisers coming to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's layers to it, and so the argumentative component may be just a business model.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But outside of the fake argumentative bot scams, there are people that I know personally that are promoting very, very divisive and unfocused arguments and rhetoric, and they have the free speech to do so, I just go, how does this actually help America?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we know what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are well-funded situations that if you do not have a strong border or border security.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, NGOs will put a bunch of people together and put them in infiltrated a particular spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not confused about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we know that we should then as the humans then become more involved in our local body politic to strengthen those things to make sure that that's not happening in our situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that comes back to the human component, which is the general public has become a victim of its own success because even in
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[SPEAKER_01]: the poor neighborhoods across America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You still got Wi-Fi, you can still get a laptop, you can still get a cool pair of clothes, and it's not, it's not adjet poverty like certain parts of the globe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we've become such,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like creatures of comfort that we don't think about the how can I be involved to defend these freedoms that we have or these opportunities that we have or these advantages that we have or these resources that we have so because we don't get involved in the local body politics we don't study civics we don't limit government.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of these happen to erode a situation and then the level of activism and I'm going to use that word in a positive way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The level of activism is just let me argue against things on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me now dig my heels in deeper and argue against this person or but to defend what my values are as opposed to let me live my values.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're seeing what's happening in Spain over the last few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you're not okay with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't live in Spain, you should make sure that you are involved in border security and being the type of person that is an exemplary representation of what you want for your country and your country and your country women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this argumentative,
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[SPEAKER_01]: vitriolic thing because when a human brain thinks about a thing, it can't tell the difference between thinking about the thing and actually doing the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same neurons start fire and off so we're participating in this thing like we think we're making America better or making America great again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and what we're doing is just adding to the problem, but we think we did something because we told that guy off, if you're in America or in any country and you disagree with what's happening and again, I keep using Spain and the unlawful migration into Spain over the last few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're frustrated with that and you think that that's incorrect, you should do something to make sure that that does not happen there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Talking about it and arguing with a leftist or a person and right about it, I don't care what side of the argument you're on, actually solves nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what we started doing over the last years was anytime we saw something that was a problem,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We would create a class, a basics on it, and put it into a curriculum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we were teaching shooting, and we saw how many people didn't know how to stop a believe, we made a stop to believe class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We put it into a protocol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can learn, so just in case, there's a car accident, you can, here's a turn to get, here's how it works, here's quick-clot, here's gauze, here's, you know, here's what you can actually do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we see that so many people are not aware, over 50% of Americans are not aware of the three major branches of government in their country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we go, okay, we understand that let's put together a civics protocol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We understand that there was a year, years back, we're over 300,000 women in America went missing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like four football stadiums of women just went missing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like poof, milk carton, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we were like, hey, women are very vulnerable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to make an eminent threat protocol class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So women and men can understand, hey, I might be in an eminent threat scenario right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the details of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the pre-fight indicators?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we put that into a class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we made it very inexpensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we put it all into one system called a personal readiness system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had to do things to actually solve the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With black guns matter for 10 years in travel and in teaching people about firearms basics, we made these classes available and more millions upon millions of people in a demographics that we primarily targeted started purchasing firearms and violent crime, believe it or not, in America has continued to decrease.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My point is that educational component of the humans
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[SPEAKER_01]: is not here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The argumentative component of humans is happening online.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to your point, then you go outside and you hang out in America and you're like, people in real life are awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these people are so nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the disconnect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would challenge and suggest
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[SPEAKER_01]: on three doors down on each side and look at humans as individual humans that have a myriad of perspectives and lived experiences and don't judge them based off of which you heard on an internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's literally 51% of internet traffic is bots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the disconnect and we just try to do our best to make sure that we're giving solutions to that and the best area is what my area of sphere of influences education and training so that's why that's what you know I put most of my time on the internet doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear that, you know, something I've learned of, I kind of known since childhood really because I've been blessed to always be able to travel internationally from a very young age and you cannot get a good picture of any place or people based off of the media, whether that is traditional media or social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always have to remind people that normal does not go viral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Normal, normal doesn't go viral and it doesn't make the news, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in Philadelphia and it's a sunny day and everybody is getting on well with each other and neighbors are chatting to each other and friends are hanging out and people are just playing with their kids and all these good, that does not make the news, that does not go viral locally, nationally, or internationally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If someone tomorrow or today goes out in Philadelphia and does something horrible, does something crazy, I'm going to hear about it here and do buy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to hear about it and Australia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to hear about it all over the world and everyone's going to be all my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear about that thing in Philadelphia?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe even for weeks or for months, that's all people are talking about, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say a couple bad things happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then all of a sudden the picture of Philadelphia is just oh my gosh like look at this look at this I can point out these things and you can do this with any city, any country, any place but when people don't travel and they don't interact with a lot of people and they don't think
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[SPEAKER_00]: they don't realize this, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm from the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you've heard plenty of the downfall of London and how terrible, not just London, all of Europe, like all of Europe now is in no-go zone and it's all just, you know, grooming gangs and stabbing and terrorist attacks and you know, like I've talked to people in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know people in the UK who are terrified to
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know British people who would not travel to the USA, for I'm talking like for safety reasons, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause they think they're just gonna step off that plane and they're gonna be in a shootout.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, all right, and I know Americans who are afraid to travel to the UK, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because all any time they hear about the UK in the news, it's people getting arrested for social media posts or it's someone getting stabbed or it's the grooming gang scandal or it's some horrible terrorist attack or something, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they see the whole UK,
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[SPEAKER_00]: as this danger zone, British people see the whole USA as this danger zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here in the UAE, you know, for the first time ever in the country's history, it's actually had some conflict, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Iran was shooting stuff over this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I was here for the most, for most of that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 2,000 plus drones and missiles, and that was real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Across the entire country,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That resulted in about 12 deaths, I believe, and a couple hundred injuries, which is sad, rest in peace to the people who died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you think from over 2,000 missiles and drones fired over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fewer than 15 people in the entire nation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dieter as a result, but when it was going on, there are people who have never even stepped foot in the country who are telling me, oh my gosh, you know, the whole city is on fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard people saying stuff was like, I can see the birch Khalifa from my living room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, tallest building in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw people on like, I was literally on X and people are sharing AI-generated videos of the birch Khalifa on fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and they're panicking and they're freaking I'm like guys I can see out my window The birch clef has not been hit by and people are like oh, you're lying You're being paid by the government you're a Dubai shale data and I'm like guys I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm literally You know, it gets to the point where again You know, I don't know if these are real people I don't know if these are bots I know for sure some of them are real people because I actually know who the people were But I'm just like guys like this this here is the problem and this cuts in all this cuts in all directions
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[SPEAKER_00]: The picture that people are getting of the USA and its people is not an accurate one based on the media based on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the one of the shirts that we have on the site and real quick, I want to bring this up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody do not apply this shirt to Zubi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was making some content.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zubi's actually the exception to this rule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 1,000 percent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was making content on Steven A Smith before this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: your level of objectivity, your level of nuance, your level of, that's crazy, but this isn't, don't call this that, that I've watched over the last, almost decade now, watching you maintain that level of objectivity, because it's difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna commend you, and I'm always gonna commend you, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I watch, you know, we follow each other on X, I see,
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[SPEAKER_01]: positive messaging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see nuanced messaging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see, I'm not going to judge this person because of, you know, the propaganda.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the shirts that we have is media, most effective devil in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I got that slogan from Malcolm X. Malcolm X said that in the 60s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm saying this to say, I want everybody to make sure that I don't care which way you decide to support Zubi with Subscribing with the book with, you know, the music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you need to be supporting artists, creators, and objective thinkers like Zubi that are saying, hey, I'm in this place that you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the building that you're showing me that is on fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at it right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Zubi needs to chill for Dubai.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's Zubi, I think Zubi is kind of all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Zubi has enough products and services.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Zubi's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think living in Dubai, I think Zubi is not being taxed out the Wahzu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that might be the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just wanna give you your flowers, brother,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you brought something up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the first time, one of the very earlier times that I went to, I was 19, and I went to Senegal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to the car Senegal when I was 19.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing in America and hoods across America is like, all the Africans, it's all horrible there, it's just the worst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now mind you, I've been to South African beaches that look like a screen saver years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, this looks like Hawaii, what are you all talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I remember being 19.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a friend of mine owned a store down south where I worked at the town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, yo, you want to go to Africa and I'm like, well, which part?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, set it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, sure, I even tried to learn how to speak wall-off when I was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the worst, the horrible, the worst sound my head is the hardest language I've ever heard in my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I didn't get past like, nungadith, monkey feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I didn't get past a bunch of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And growing up in here is like, you know the people in Africa don't like African Americans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was there for two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these were some of the most loving, supportive, and giving folks that I had ever met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mind you, it's a big city, it's the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, a few days in, I remember saying to folks that were hosting me, I said, listen, I got to be honest with you all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, and I was told that Africans on a continent didn't rock with African Americans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they laughed and they were like, and I was like, what's up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were, they said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: we thought that African Americans didn't mess with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all I remember, the biggest thing that I remember from that was, there is somebody on both sides of this conversation lying to both of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I hear that conversation that you just said about that UK folks at a light, I'm not going over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And have you vet it this story that you've heard?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Similarly, when somebody says, you know, Spain is falling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there are political figures that are doing political things, but I do not think that that speaks for the massive amount of people that actual people that are there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A country's political leadership corrupt or not,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is actively doing things all across the country that their country men, the people that they're supposed to serve, generally do not want them to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, when you are well-traveled, most people will never go to as many countries as you've been to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just won't happen, they just, it could happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get anywhere in America for like less than 24 hours and less than $2,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can get anywhere on the globe, you know, for pretty much that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you start to travel and evaluate and become honest about the lies that you recognize as a lie that's been told,
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[SPEAKER_01]: your world view and the way to approach humans changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you said that, folks in the UK, like, I'm not going over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, wish everybody can't have a gun in America because of the 20,000 unconstitutional gun laws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like this languageing and the power of social media to be able to communicate these things with people from these places is the major key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we can start going,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's have a good faith conversation across social media and say, hey, you're there, what's actually going on there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to operate with you in good faith that you're really going to tell me the truth and I'm definitely going to tell you the truth about what's actually going on here, good bad and ugly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No different than the first question that you asked, like, I'm not going to lie to you when act like America is the nasty and a freedom of the way that it's being presented to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we got a great freedom story, but right now we are a far cry away from that and we have to actively work to make sure that we are pushing back against a lot of the division
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[SPEAKER_01]: because we won't we won't get more people in America that want to come here to be hard working or like Dubai you won't get people in Dubai and maybe that's the key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Dubai is like keep telling them it's horrible so nobody comes over here like yeah yeah it's slavery over here
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like we can do these things by just having a general public have real conversations about the pros and the cons and some things that we need to work on and then starting to get to work on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's how we improve locally our countries and then we improve the world because to me, I think the world is being manipulated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to know that we're being manipulated, but we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First thing I'm going to say is, well, thank you for the very kind words, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate what you said, because the number one I don't hear at that much from people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But number two is there is a challenge with it, which is that I've been on social media now for over 20 years, my entire adult life, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Starting out just with my music and then over time moving into podcasting
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[SPEAKER_00]: some degree of social and cultural commentary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just sharing my thoughts, all this stuff that I create books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you do that and your audience grows, and more and more people are following you, and you're reaching millions of people, you see how easy it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to not be nuanced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you see how people react and algorithm's respond to negativity versus positivity, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the funniest things that I get called sometimes is a grifter, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's crazy is like, if I actually want to grift,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know the playbook, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have seen the playbook and I've seen how lucrative it is, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would just pick a side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would eliminate all the nuance, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would just pick one side and just go hard on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's an pre-existing audience of millions and millions of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who, you know, if I just spent all day just, you know, putting, you know, generic right wing talking points and attacking attacking the left and, you know, just stating things as if everything is, you know, has no nuance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hot take after hot take after hot take, jumping on every current topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I already get over a billion impressions a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know exactly how I could crank that up to 3 billion, 4 billion, 5 billion, on different platforms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that if every time I do a podcast, if I put make the thumbnail like extra crazy in the title, I know that that will get more clicks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know if I use negative framing versus positive framing, I know it's going to get more clicks and so over the years, over the decades, even in my own music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always known like I could change my messaging if my goal was just to reach people or just to get attention like I could change the way that I do these things and I'm just like you know what that's not me and that's not my goal so I'm I'm grateful for that to be I'm grateful for that to be recognized man because ultimately I'm like man I can't be I'm
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I've been on the internet for so long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see people become caricatures of themselves, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They start out and, you know, they're reasonably nuanced and principled and they've got their values and their points and so on, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then over time, they get more and more audience captured and the nuance fades away and everything just becomes like more aggressive and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If people need to bend the truth a little bit, they're happy to bend the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're willing to just show this one side and hide the other side, they'll do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it happens more and more and I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Over the course of time, I think people don't notice the drift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you look, you look where they are five years later, and you're kind of like geez, like that person used to be like really reasonable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're just out here like daily, whatever the topic is, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For some people, it's the topic of race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, just attacking the left or attacking wokeness for some people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know, people have their pet issues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand that, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tricky line because sometimes it doesn't feel like it's, um, I think this is a big problem with social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's just a part of the human psyche, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are drawn to negativity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very well known that people respond more to negative than they do to positive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People fear loss more than they desire gain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's divide and conquer, it works across most people in most countries most of the time because there's that innate tribalism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can convince people that insert group is the enemy, that could be blacks, that could be whites, that could be Jews, that could be the left, that could be the right, that could be, you can insert anything, it could be a freaking sports team, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you kick in that tribalism,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The nuance goes out the window, the cohesiveness goes out the window, and there are people who genuinely get mad at positivity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something I've noticed is one of my most controversial opinions, and this comes from having met hundreds of thousands of people, is that most people, period, all countries, all races, ethnicities, nationalities, most people, are decent or at least trying to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The majority of people in this world, I know people don't wanna hear that I know people wanna hear, oh, everyone is terrible, humanity sucks, like all these people are bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These people are most people are decent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna say good, but I'm gonna say most people are decent or at least trying to be people who are criminals, people who are like aggressively violent, people who are just nasty for no reason, they exist and they exist by the millions, but they're still a very small minority.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most people don't want to admit that because of that grift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Israel has a whole bunch of black people that are Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not allowed to say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not allowed to say that Sephardic Jews exist in Israel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a massive amount of people from all across the globe that happen to be melanated that are Jewish that readings speak Hebrew and are in the Torah that are in Israel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not allowed to say that because the current evil is if you're Jewish,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the current thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing and give it a week or a month and then it becomes, you know it's the blacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it wasn't for the blacks in America, then hey, we would have, it would be white Wakanda if not for the blacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like there's these back-to-back things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think to your point, what's changing is this, I think both sides of the argument, burnt it out, Gary V said something and I thought was so key and I set it and thought it in travel over the last decade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People are actually a little bit tired of social media, not because of the fun things in the sales and the accessibility, they're tired and they're starting to see the silliness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember years ago, when this came to mind, I was at the last blockbuster video, like the last one in America, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a lot of people in there, like just nostalgia in this and that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, there's a lot of people coming to the one blockbuster video.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: DVDs, VHS and all, you know, and then I thought to myself, there's gonna be people, because I have a DVD player on my RV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I enjoy my RV and I enjoy popping in a DVD of the office and I don't wanna wait for Netflix or NBC took it off in Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanna have the actual thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And over time I started hearing and looking, and I'm going, there's more people that want to analog experience more than a digital experience, a real-life experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year, over $1 billion in sales were for vinyl records.
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[SPEAKER_01]: vinyl records in the digital age, a billion dollars worth of sales.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I saying that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The nuanced people like yourself and others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that sift it through these extreme times of polarization and as more and more people are becoming because most people are decent are going yeah I agree with more right-leaning principles but I don't want to say the blacks my homies black like I don't want to just be like the blacks are the problem how's that make my homie feel
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're growing out of that binary and the people like you and I that are going hey we've been nuanced the whole time hey if you'd like a nuanced take
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then more, we become the people that become more impactful to service of the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we go, hey, this person has 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zubi has music in this and this and he's pretty much been objective this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, he's got a book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, he's got a work out routine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, he's got a podcast and then you become the people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We become, we don't need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 50% of the population to support us or get on board and I don't mean just from a financial standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's always great But I mean from the standpoint of we are creating the types of minds that will save the planet and I mean that in no uncertain terms When people fall out of this binary and they fall into more and more and more intelligent new wants and objective take they only want to surround themselves with nuanced objective and
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[SPEAKER_01]: honest takes honest takes that are yes there is a problem with violent crime in black communities there is in a marathon
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's look at this from a, what was the information, what was the training, what was the diet, what was this, and what was the training as it relates to fire arm's ownership?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we change that based on training?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at it that way, not it's just because they're black.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at it, there's good people, decent people from all walks of life that are like, how can we solve this without villainizing and collecting and analyzing an entire group of people?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When those people such as yourself have products, services, viewpoints, and perspective, oh man, you turn into this is where we go for some actual sanity, for some actual, and this will turn into billions of dollars in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I say that in an
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[SPEAKER_01]: a few months ago, said, we are a guy just invested in Pizza Hut and said, we're bringing back all of the things that you used to like about Pizza Hut in store.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Pac-Man video game, the red and white tablecloths, we're going back to the actual menu, we're bringing back those red, big, plastic, hard as hell cups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so many people were like, oh my God, I cannot wait to give my money to these pizza huts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My point is, we're actually gonna win because we've been principled, honest, objective, and had things that actually serve people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's what the Sith Lords do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are Jedi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing that extreme, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we actually want to serve the Republic, we're going to be on this Jedi thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This does not mean that we don't get to experience the fullness of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't mean that you got to be poor and we're like just Jedi clothes all at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it also doesn't mean that I'll have to be super duper flashy going out on my way to try to like wear the million dollar t-shirt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those good and decent people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: are going to be and are starting to gravitate towards things that are not so much extreme.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How can I learn, how can I improve myself, how can I improve the legacy for my family?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those of us that have been objective and been on this path for some time, in my humble opinion, I believe we're about to reap massive benefits and the ability to serve even more people, because more people are being open to it, and the financial windfall that comes from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If anybody listening right now, if you've been on the objective lonely path, it's like going to the gym, your gains are coming, my brother, just stay the course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Either way, man, I believe certainly he's a Christian I believe on a long enough time frame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the reward is obvious, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reward is not of this earthly realm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, you know, I think that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: something that's so interesting about the the divisiveness and the sort of victim mentality and then wanting to play the us versus them thing and blame things on the collectivization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is, which is, you know, blame blaming everything on, oh, it's this group of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that's interesting about it is something I've learned and this is a
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a negative thing, but something I've definitely learned and noticed is a lot of people are actually okay with collectivization and unfair discrimination as long as they're not the ones on the receiving end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is kind of interesting because let's say from about 2014 to about 2022, 2023, it was kind of like it mainstreamed and it was popularized to just like hate on white people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right so across the west right so there was all the you know the white privilege the white guilt white people bad especially white man you know straight white man right like all of that kind of rhetoric that was coming from the left of just like demonizing white people you know which which I hate by the way and I was very vocally opposed to that as we're obviously you know a lot of people especially conservatives and especially you know white people who are leaning right um
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's totally, that's, people should hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People should be opposed to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is interesting how some people who really, really hate that and all the stuff that came with it are then quite happy to flip the script and then be like, oh, okay, let's do the same to the Jews, or let's do the same to the black.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's do, you know, and I'm kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to me, the problem with actual racism, right, I know that words have been used way too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, the problem with racism is not like the demographic that it's aimed at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem with racism is that it is wrong and stupid and immoral to judge entire groups of millions or even millions of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: based off of a small minority who behave badly or based off of, you know, just random prejudices or based off of whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're eight billion individuals in this world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single person has their own character, background, behaviors, personalities, and so on, right, like beyond how much melanin we have and perhaps the origin of our ancestors,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't immediately have that much in common with just like any random other black guy, whether he's in Africa or North America or Europe or whatever, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And his behavior, I am certainly not responsible for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just like he's not responsible for mine, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the same way that it's very stupid when people want to blame like modern day white Europeans or Americans for people who looked like them a hundred years ago, having potentially having slaves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all just goofy, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all very, very silly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, well, if you did not do the thing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're not responsible for the thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's so obvious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people get that when it comes to themselves, but then when it comes to sort of pointing the finger out in the other way, it's like, can we not be consistent here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, like, I'm fully with you on, like, hey, let's not just like, hate on white people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think that's stupid, I think that's goofy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, hey, let's not just like hate on Jews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not just hate on Asians or hate on Blacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we elevate a little the way that I break it down to them is it's like it's like okay I get called the N word and I'll say the N word I would just say the word, but it's your platform, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get called the N word on X and I really enjoy like social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the concept I get called that word so often and because I noted a lot of its bots Like I just a bot
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, when it's actual humans and I see people champion people that are okay with it I'm like you guys don't have principles and standards you there's always a character in the movie that gets it but it's not necessarily the king or So okay the argument about the movie to Odyssey I watched Troy like last week were Brad Pitt one of my favorite movies of all time
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[SPEAKER_01]: Achilles had his position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Agamemnon had his position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the king over there had their positions, but very few of those people were willing to be the nuanced person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then movie Troy, the guy that had Achilles's ear that still worked for Agamemnon, he would he would be able to talk to Achilles and say,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man, we need you to fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he would, a killings will be like, man, this, you know this king is trash and you are principal dude and this guy's trash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he would tell like, killings like, sometimes in a position that we're in, even as a king, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's the best guy, but we're thinking about our soldiers in our country, man, and our killings respected that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he would go talk to the evil king, you know, man, not, I, I, I, I, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he would go, hey, Achilles will go fight, but she kind of got to like give him the girl back that she took.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, but you know, I didn't touch her, I did it up, that guy had Achilles's ear, and he had the King's ear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Achilles was more righteous, and the King was clearly a scumbag, clearly a scumbag, however.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that person that does not aspire to be the greatest warrior of all time or the king controlling everything, that person and all of these movies usually a, lives and b, unites everybody after the king and Achilles dies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these movies, you gotta strive to be the person that chooses, you can be legendary, you can, again, to your point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That phrase I'm definitely using at normal, doesn't go viral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can be a kill-ease.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go viral for saying all of these crazy things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can kill an on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That may not be what your countrymen actually need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can be the king that's like a tyrant or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like on whatever side left or right because the left or right does the same things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have a system of checks and balances and if you're not doing that, you're gonna fall because empires an entire it's always fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the nuanced person that's willing to say, I happen to be black,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not responsible for anybody else's negative dealings, and then when we look at the data and go, less than 1% of the people that you're grouping me in, the 13% that you're saying does 50% which has been debunked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Less than 1% of the group that you're putting me in are actually the violent criminals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we look at the data and we look at the actual numbers, you think falls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now when I go, what I try to do is I go, hey guys, you guys that are saying this about the black 13% of the 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's do convicted pedophiles in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There happen to be white males.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we keeping that same energy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to say no for you because it's stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not going to go my white homie that I was getting potatoes
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to now give him the same collectivist ideology, or you say to say that you might be one of the convicted or it might be prone to pedophilia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you explain these things to folks and show them the mirror like, this is what you're doing to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and this is what was done to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is not to do it to others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The answers is to maintain the standard of this is evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would Jesus do in this space?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to repeat evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, my organization is called Black Guns Matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is it called that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we stand in front of a place and be like, hey, if you're lighter than this, you can't get in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did not do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The black community has been targeted with the racist practice of gun control and because of that, the ignorance, the lack of training and these communities we want to target these communities first and make them safer and more informed not black guns matter because the white man is evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the name of the organization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I look at a lot of libertarians.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that are humans on social media, that I'm watching platform people that are openly saying blacks and Jews are the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I'm critical of that, now my just trying to start trouble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm saying I thought we had a standard about not being collectivists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought we had a standard of judging humans by the content of their character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody tries out the Dr. Martin Luther King t-shirt on his anniversary of the speech, but where are we practically living that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to say, oh, it's the Moroccans in Africa that are going into Spain, just randomly, all of the Moroccans, 50,000 of them just was one day just decided to get on the same page and we're like, we're going to sneak into this small port.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never mind that there's buses and boats and all of those different things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't get 10 people to come to my house for dinner at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling me that random,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you step back and look at these things and maintain the standard of where am I being lied to, where am I actually, where are they tricking us, where are they trying to divide us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at it from that perspective, you make much more intelligent observations and decisions and I fear that more specifically talking to the white guys that are falling victim to this, that are pushing that Nick Fuentes, this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've seen, I've seen Tate in his brother Tristan play with it, but I give them a little bit more room, Tate in his brother, you know, Andrew and Tristan one because they happen to be black.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's in their kind of funny as hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, all right, that's kind of funny, but when I see that language, I'm like, yo bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a coordinated effort via media and politics to make us not work together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To make me go be afraid to engage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my land is not too far from where Nolan Wells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if you familiar with the kid that he was hanging out on boats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he wasn't missing and he found his body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My land is not too far from there, down south.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm seeing people on social media go, you know you can't go out and hang out with white people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in my mind, I'm like, imagine if,
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[SPEAKER_01]: white people collectively on social media would have said, you know, you know, that's why you can't go out where you can't go out with too many of the blacks in New Orleans on, you know, you can't go hang out with too many of the blacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The standard is the standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's not too many people that exemplify standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, bro, you know somebody you should interview if you haven't already, because it comes to mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Andy Forsella.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've ever interviewed him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has his company called First Form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've went there and I've done his podcast a few times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their whole thing is... And this was the one you said?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The company doesn't... Madam, but I haven't interviewed him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, I'm going to try to plug y'all together, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you could go there and go to their facilities in St. Louis, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a cleaning crew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I mean, what I mean by that is, they don't have like a staff to come clean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The people that work there, clean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the standard is such the standard that
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably maybe Daniel defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been a Daniel defense as well, but other than Daniel defense and NASA, I've never seen such a dialed in, these are the standards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what we as a team do, Spive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, because there's no deviation from the standard, we see so much greatness out of that company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that if we start maintaining a standard of, is this loving, is this supportive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that you can't be harsh and firm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But is this loving?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this supportive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this identifying the individual and trying to apply a solution?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we start to maintain that standard of not just being evil pieces of trash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The world would get better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The world with the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The entire planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only like eight billion people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only like eight billion people, which means like in a lot of it is like land.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only eight billion people in the whole planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we could concentrate on, we're just gonna be good people that maintain a standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not ignoring that they're not evil people to your point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna be prepared and capable of handling evil people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, if we just focus every single day on being a good person, white, black, every color in between, I am not going to collect, devise any of these groups of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I say that that person did horrible things to children, we are forever going to stamp that person with the horrible things that that person with that small group of people did to those children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I am not going to go, well, you know, that's how the whites get down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it takes to your point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes a level of bravery that few are going to be willing to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hence, while we will get the windfall and the blessings here and here after, because we are being brave by saying, I'm not just gonna collectivize any group of people, and because people to your point find safety and comfort and I get to collectivize that group as long as I'm not being collectivized, that's cowardice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the people that are more brave or willing to say, no, this is my standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say that every single part of Africa, first of all, which part are you talking about in Africa?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much nuance where you know them Africans, you know them whites, you know them Jews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of them, like, which have you, have you met them, you know, you know, that's how women are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've had a meeting with all of the women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the women have overwhelmingly not on a 90% tip were like, yeah, this is how we all think.
58:58.203 --> 59:05.469
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you've had that meeting, please send me the notes from the meeting so I can get on board, but it's safe to say that you did not have the meeting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we look at it through that lens, we can change the world, we can get better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can make these play, I do not wanna, I am not gonna suffer this theory that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not black pill bro, I'm not, I'm never gonna accept that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just how it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Slavery existed for millennia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't exist to this extent anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the places where there's forms of slavery that do still exist, we can, if you wanna pick that up as your mission, you can pick that up as your mission and you can make the world better, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do not allow these small evil people that want to control most of us good and decent people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't let them place play inception on your mind and put something in your brain and make you now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even willing to try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I can bluff you, I can beat you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They claim, I'll go with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, part in the rant a bit, but I just know we have so much power and potential.
01:00:01.970 --> 01:00:14.013
[SPEAKER_01]: If we really, really dial in on maintaining that standard and really, really, really loving each other and having genuine, I don't fuck with you for the people that really whose hand has called for it.
01:00:14.394 --> 01:00:16.254
[SPEAKER_01]: These are not opposing concepts.
01:00:16.454 --> 01:00:24.116
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, I love myself, my country, the human race so much that I am very defensive towards
01:00:25.897 --> 01:00:31.380
[SPEAKER_01]: humans and making this collective thing because they're making it more difficult for all of us as humanity.
01:00:31.820 --> 01:00:35.602
[SPEAKER_01]: And those are not mutually like you can only do one of the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One actually strengthens the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I think I'm never going to accept the black building.
01:00:41.084 --> 01:00:42.025
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just never going to accept it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that pro man.
01:00:43.946 --> 01:00:45.727
[SPEAKER_00]: I love your passion and fire all the time man.
01:00:46.227 --> 01:00:48.128
[SPEAKER_00]: So glad we got to have another conversation.
01:00:48.628 --> 01:00:51.309
[SPEAKER_00]: Munch for people who aren't already following you but are listening.
01:00:51.369 --> 01:00:52.930
[SPEAKER_00]: Where can they find and follow you online?
01:00:53.251 --> 01:01:00.196
[SPEAKER_01]: everybody can I'm trying to zoom in I'm I'm I'm so trying to be like a social like an internet person now.
01:01:01.317 --> 01:01:07.262
[SPEAKER_01]: And YouTube is the hardest thing to like grow on so if everybody wants to follow me on YouTube.
01:01:07.882 --> 01:01:13.247
[SPEAKER_01]: YouTube.com forward slash at March to Ray M. A. J. T. O. U. R. E. That's for YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll start there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are on X.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My page is very objective.
01:01:20.165 --> 01:01:27.727
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want X at Maj2ray, M-A-J-T-O-U-R-E, Instagram, Big Daddy2ray.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to check the website out, we have programs, we've got classes all out of the stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go over the SolutionaryUniversity.org.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if anybody's going through something, if you've got something, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you listen to this conversation, I just for me today from Zubi too, man, Zubi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to really go back and clip up what Zubi saying and really, really understand.
01:01:50.656 --> 01:01:54.638
[SPEAKER_01]: You just told you guys, I've traveled, do these more well-traveled in me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to maybe 10 countries over how long, I'm well-traveled in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like I want you guys to understand it like somebody that's telling you something that has pretty much traveled to globe right that's saying hey like most people based on my experience with hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people most people are generally decent take solace in that good faith conversation
01:02:18.665 --> 01:02:34.435
[SPEAKER_01]: And give a little bit more trust to, you know, I can be a good person because based on this anecdotal experience that Zubi has had based on his lived experience, I trust him a bit because I don't think he's going to sell me, it's not that he excels me by telling me that most people are, you know, good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you guys to really understand the importance of that and if you're going through something, please feel free to reach out to me or good people like Zubi that are saying, hey,
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[SPEAKER_01]: this is a sia you know you guys have survived twenty twenty twenty twenty two was the biggest sia we just only heals a Fauci you know getting on a stand going like never mind never mind never mind so like you live through that man your life has tremendous purpose
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if my email is my name, Maj. 2 Ray at Gmail.
01:03:08.491 --> 01:03:09.031
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To shoot me an email, I would rather listen to you about what you've going through and we got a private community.
01:03:15.956 --> 01:03:17.457
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a solutionary community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would rather work with you in our 99 day intensive to help you get smarter, stronger and you know, a better shooter.
01:03:24.739 --> 01:03:31.041
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would rather listen to you, talk about was wrong and work through that and help you with some solutions.
01:03:31.461 --> 01:03:38.582
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather read that email than read your obituary because there's a lot of people that are taking their lives based on media.
01:03:38.822 --> 01:03:42.383
[SPEAKER_01]: Like media is their lying, they are a promise you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can listen to me on this lower level of travel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are lying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or you can listen to Zubi on a higher level of travel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are both telling you that lying to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are 1,000% cap in you up.
01:03:56.287 --> 01:04:01.791
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are the areas that you can contact me, follow me, similar to Zubi.
01:04:02.052 --> 01:04:04.613
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very, very engaging on social media.
01:04:04.813 --> 01:04:05.894
[SPEAKER_01]: I like social media.
01:04:07.435 --> 01:04:09.897
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, man, just those are the areas that you guys can support.
01:04:09.917 --> 01:04:14.380
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to grab some merch, you can go over to blackgonesmatter.shop.
01:04:14.420 --> 01:04:18.043
[SPEAKER_01]: But bigger than anything, bigger than the sales and the products.
01:04:18.908 --> 01:04:23.951
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, reach out to me if you if you really want to, you know, talk about things.
01:04:23.991 --> 01:04:32.777
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go through something, if you could use a little bit of support, we are supposed to use the power of social media and the internet to make the world better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm, I make myself available.
01:04:35.939 --> 01:04:36.700
[SPEAKER_01]: I work for y'all.
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.983
[SPEAKER_01]: You may have never met me or heard me before in your life, but just know that I work for you.
01:04:41.523 --> 01:04:42.064
[SPEAKER_01]: And so my job.
01:04:42.084 --> 01:04:42.964
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have one boss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got like eight billion bosses and you know, you can, you feel free to put me to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Amen, bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for being a force for positivity, man, and I encourage everyone listening to do the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the gift of your time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My story, welcome back to Real Talk with Zubey, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing, bro?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wonderful, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see you, brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Glad to be doing it again, which you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we were just doing a little preamble before I hit the record, but, and what are your current thoughts on the state of the USA?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's a massive question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a massive question that demands a nuanced answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As someone that grew up in the birthplace of America, I grew up in Philadelphia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to take tours of City Hall and like last summer, I was down at Independence Hall with a Constitutional with Signed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I take tour, I like that type of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are such a far cry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I say this with such a crazy, heavy heart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are such a far cry from,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the story of America right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are the story being up against tyranny, up against a repressive regime, up against the British Empire that were like, no, you're all going to forever be colonies and dudes are like, yo bro, we get in tax too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not allowed to worship the way we want to worship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That story is the epitome of the rocky story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the underdog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we, okay, we kind of got to go with the slavery thing for a little bit, but we're gonna.
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[SPEAKER_01]: worked to overthrow it and we then overthrow it and this and that and this Philadelphia and it of itself was crafted by William Penn to be a place of freedom where women had rights and all of these different things and not knowing all of this history and traveling around the country for the last 10 years teacher people about firearms basics teacher people about civics teacher I mean just the basics not you know constitutional scholar stuff but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing that and now to the question of how am I feeling about the state of things in the United States of America, bro?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am thoroughly disenchanted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am disappointed with the lack of civic involvement that the General American public has and I am disgusted by the level of propaganda and hatred
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[SPEAKER_01]: and vitriol, that it seems that, and again, it's a lot of us online when you go outside in reality, like, my neighbor has happened to be white, and I'll promise you it's not a health to scale to go and on between me and my neighbors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We was like picking out some potatoes that we grew together like last week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just the
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[SPEAKER_01]: persuaded by that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm disappointed and I'm disgusted in people that I've watched that I had so much respect for as you know I'm a libertarian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching even libertarians fall victim to this race-bait collective is narrative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I thought the guys that were, I looked at as sound, nuanced, objective, you know, non-collective is voices.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm disappointed in my countrymen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thoroughly disappointed, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are taxed out of the Wahzu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing started based on your taxing as too much, the whole America thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are taxed out of the Wahzu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, there's over 20,000 unconstitutional anti-gun statutes in America across the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are now, as of yesterday, on social media talking about what is going on in Spain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that these things should happen in Spain,
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, our dollar has been lost, 96% of its spending power since the federal reserve was created.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these are some of the most, when you know American history or world history, you start to go, we are the upside down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the stranger things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are the exact opposite of what the principles were supposed to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just, I'm just disheartened, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't look at my country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look at the people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we happen at RV,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we go to places, and we see other people, and they're like, oh, you gotta RV too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I see the people, you know, that are the actual American people that are living at, I'm given a bit of a spike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, okay, but this conversation around freedom and rights and the responsibilities that go along with them, I'm disappointed in my country, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the biggest political comeback story in this current Trump administration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was going to be that I was in in 2024 I was there at the libertarian national convention when president Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lineup was great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zezec Ramaswami, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Junior, Trump, the defective Democrats, the right and the left creating a coalition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna push back on income tax.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna push back on a deep state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They stole 2020 from me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was born in and he came to the libertarian convention and asked for our help and said, hey, I need you to help to fight against this machine and by all intents and purposes,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Biden was weak in the bernies like it was clearly he's a puppet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clear and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've watched this current president and I say this, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm friendly with Don Jr. and a few other folks over there, but I have to be honest, this has been the, this went from potentially the biggest political comeback story to the most disappointing political presidency that I've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just had the president just say we should be okay with more data centers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which are bases for, they're not that as soon as they are surveillance, you know, for the deep state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be okay with these flat cameras, be okay with the panoptic on and I know I'm throwing a lot back at that at that question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is how I currently feel about America, politically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The, again, one of the major things that makes me get a little bit more of that spike of hope is when I go to a state that I've never been to, and at this point, I pretty much been to every state in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when I shoot over to Utah, and I'm seeing people growing food and working together, and they respect that and understand it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously that's a black dude, that's a Spanish dude,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the content of the dude's character is mostly what is the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, this dude's great at, he's going to hook your car up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got some trouble with your car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's who you, that's who you holler at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sex and such, he's great at farming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If something comes about, if you need some extra potatoes, that's who you go see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm inspired again by getting off of social media for a second and kind of like engaging humans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, that does not change the reality that there are a lot of so-called public service that are advocating for things that are encroaching slowly and making the ground shrink underneath our feet of these freedoms that we have while at the same time, we're making massive fun of being very derogatory to other countries like Dubai.
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[SPEAKER_01]: oh you know if you black over there you're a slave and I'm like you pay about half of your money in taxes in America and I'm not not not dunking on Americans just say in row you worked for half of the year and you gave that to the government that prints the money so
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll lay in there because I know that I was a truncated question against her, but I'm so disappointed with the freedom people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are advocating for more enslavement financially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when we're talking about a panopticon, flat cameras.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just violations of our fourth amendment rights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that's because I'm older and I'm getting grumpy or if that's because I'm getting wiser and had that base of history to go like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're a through tea in the harbor because of this type of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where I'm currently at some, like we were saying, some of some of the homies are like, man, I'm moving to Dubai.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been actively, seriously thinking about it like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, what if this was the siops?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It convinced America's the Americans that we are in the land of the free when we're effectively tax-cattled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I'm still optimistic, but it's definitely a cautious optimism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why do you think that there is such a disconnect between Americans in real life and Americans online and in politics?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because when I go to the USA, like I'm a well-traveled man, I've been to about 50 different countries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm from the UK, but I've been to 26 of the 50 American states so far and talk to a lot of people in all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in my experience, Americans in the USA and also overseas are generally some of the kindness, friendlyist and most generous people out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: White, black, Hispanic, Asian, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Americans in general, I would just say are good decent people overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I go to the USA, I have so many positive experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think this is just because I'm who I am, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like everyone I know is familiar with my work or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just daily interactions, people are just very kind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never personally experienced any of that scary racism people talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never had a negative interaction with the cops in America or anything like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now I live it right now I'm in Dubai right and you know if I go on X and I see what's going on in the U.S. or I go on YouTube or something right it always looks it always looks crazy people are at each other's throats it seems very divisive I see racist comments all the time I see all sorts of nastiness and political partisanship going wrong and then if you look into the upper halls of politics you know the people who represent the USA on a global stage
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[SPEAKER_00]: don't have a great reputation, generally speaking, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not just here in the Middle East, but you know, around the world, the USA has involved in like everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how why do you think there's this strange disconnect where like American people are generally awesome and the country is generally
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[SPEAKER_00]: there does seem to be this massive divisiveness and a lot of hate flying around and a lot of very concerning things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a victim of our own success financially and usually, you know, how a republics could happen, you know, we were in the early stages of what looks like the end of an empire or a republic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like seven out of ten things that Rome did or Greece did, we're doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but going back to the online component of it,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The dead internet theory is a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think maybe even been as early as last week, somebody was like, you know, it came out that 51% of the energy and traffic online is bots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And 49 is actually human.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to tap into the 10% of that 49% and just engage those humans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to remain in whatever, but when you go to X more specifically, and I'm not, again, I don't wanna put you in the spot
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[SPEAKER_01]: Elon bought X or Twitter and turned it into X.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Elon, this is my opinion, based on some of the things, Elon has curated a space for maybe not intentionally, maybe not intentionally, and on that specific platform that I'm on a lot, I really enjoy social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you do it right, it can be amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of these platforms have been co-opted and the bots and the dead internet theory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when the owner of the platform is consistently reposting things that could kind of be like, bro, you gotta use these powers more for good than what could be misconstrued as evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then that creates more of this snowball effect for online.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the online component of this vitriol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And along with,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of the people that say that stuff online would never say this to you in real life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like they get to play out the human components that are actually doing this because I think a lot of it is bots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there is a lot of money in division and argument and keeping people on platforms so they go back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we can advertise and get more for our advertising revenue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we throttle your individual views or reach because we don't want the advertisers coming directly to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We want the advertisers coming to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's layers to it, and so the argumentative component may be just a business model.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But outside of the fake argumentative bot scams, there are people that I know personally that are promoting very, very divisive and unfocused arguments and rhetoric, and they have the free speech to do so, I just go, how does this actually help America?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we know what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are well-funded situations that if you do not have a strong border or border security.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, NGOs will put a bunch of people together and put them in infiltrated a particular spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not confused about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we know that we should then as the humans then become more involved in our local body politic to strengthen those things to make sure that that's not happening in our situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that comes back to the human component, which is the general public has become a victim of its own success because even in
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[SPEAKER_01]: the poor neighborhoods across America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You still got Wi-Fi, you can still get a laptop, you can still get a cool pair of clothes, and it's not, it's not adjet poverty like certain parts of the globe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we've become such,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like creatures of comfort that we don't think about the how can I be involved to defend these freedoms that we have or these opportunities that we have or these advantages that we have or these resources that we have so because we don't get involved in the local body politics we don't study civics we don't limit government.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of these happen to erode a situation and then the level of activism and I'm going to use that word in a positive way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The level of activism is just let me argue against things on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me now dig my heels in deeper and argue against this person or but to defend what my values are as opposed to let me live my values.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're seeing what's happening in Spain over the last few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you're not okay with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't live in Spain, you should make sure that you are involved in border security and being the type of person that is an exemplary representation of what you want for your country and your country and your country women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this argumentative,
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[SPEAKER_01]: vitriolic thing because when a human brain thinks about a thing, it can't tell the difference between thinking about the thing and actually doing the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same neurons start fire and off so we're participating in this thing like we think we're making America better or making America great again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and what we're doing is just adding to the problem, but we think we did something because we told that guy off, if you're in America or in any country and you disagree with what's happening and again, I keep using Spain and the unlawful migration into Spain over the last few days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're frustrated with that and you think that that's incorrect, you should do something to make sure that that does not happen there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Talking about it and arguing with a leftist or a person and right about it, I don't care what side of the argument you're on, actually solves nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what we started doing over the last years was anytime we saw something that was a problem,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We would create a class, a basics on it, and put it into a curriculum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we were teaching shooting, and we saw how many people didn't know how to stop a believe, we made a stop to believe class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We put it into a protocol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can learn, so just in case, there's a car accident, you can, here's a turn to get, here's how it works, here's quick-clot, here's gauze, here's, you know, here's what you can actually do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we see that so many people are not aware, over 50% of Americans are not aware of the three major branches of government in their country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we go, okay, we understand that let's put together a civics protocol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We understand that there was a year, years back, we're over 300,000 women in America went missing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like four football stadiums of women just went missing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like poof, milk carton, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we were like, hey, women are very vulnerable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to make an eminent threat protocol class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So women and men can understand, hey, I might be in an eminent threat scenario right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the details of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the pre-fight indicators?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we put that into a class.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we made it very inexpensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we put it all into one system called a personal readiness system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had to do things to actually solve the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With black guns matter for 10 years in travel and in teaching people about firearms basics, we made these classes available and more millions upon millions of people in a demographics that we primarily targeted started purchasing firearms and violent crime, believe it or not, in America has continued to decrease.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My point is that educational component of the humans
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[SPEAKER_01]: is not here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The argumentative component of humans is happening online.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to your point, then you go outside and you hang out in America and you're like, people in real life are awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these people are so nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the disconnect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would challenge and suggest
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[SPEAKER_01]: on three doors down on each side and look at humans as individual humans that have a myriad of perspectives and lived experiences and don't judge them based off of which you heard on an internet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's literally 51% of internet traffic is bots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the disconnect and we just try to do our best to make sure that we're giving solutions to that and the best area is what my area of sphere of influences education and training so that's why that's what you know I put most of my time on the internet doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear that, you know, something I've learned of, I kind of known since childhood really because I've been blessed to always be able to travel internationally from a very young age and you cannot get a good picture of any place or people based off of the media, whether that is traditional media or social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always have to remind people that normal does not go viral.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Normal, normal doesn't go viral and it doesn't make the news, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in Philadelphia and it's a sunny day and everybody is getting on well with each other and neighbors are chatting to each other and friends are hanging out and people are just playing with their kids and all these good, that does not make the news, that does not go viral locally, nationally, or internationally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If someone tomorrow or today goes out in Philadelphia and does something horrible, does something crazy, I'm going to hear about it here and do buy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to hear about it and Australia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to hear about it all over the world and everyone's going to be all my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear about that thing in Philadelphia?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe even for weeks or for months, that's all people are talking about, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say a couple bad things happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then all of a sudden the picture of Philadelphia is just oh my gosh like look at this look at this I can point out these things and you can do this with any city, any country, any place but when people don't travel and they don't interact with a lot of people and they don't think
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[SPEAKER_00]: they don't realize this, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm from the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you've heard plenty of the downfall of London and how terrible, not just London, all of Europe, like all of Europe now is in no-go zone and it's all just, you know, grooming gangs and stabbing and terrorist attacks and you know, like I've talked to people in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know people in the UK who are terrified to
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know British people who would not travel to the USA, for I'm talking like for safety reasons, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause they think they're just gonna step off that plane and they're gonna be in a shootout.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, all right, and I know Americans who are afraid to travel to the UK, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because all any time they hear about the UK in the news, it's people getting arrested for social media posts or it's someone getting stabbed or it's the grooming gang scandal or it's some horrible terrorist attack or something, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they see the whole UK,
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[SPEAKER_00]: as this danger zone, British people see the whole USA as this danger zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here in the UAE, you know, for the first time ever in the country's history, it's actually had some conflict, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Iran was shooting stuff over this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I was here for the most, for most of that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 2,000 plus drones and missiles, and that was real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Across the entire country,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That resulted in about 12 deaths, I believe, and a couple hundred injuries, which is sad, rest in peace to the people who died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you think from over 2,000 missiles and drones fired over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fewer than 15 people in the entire nation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dieter as a result, but when it was going on, there are people who have never even stepped foot in the country who are telling me, oh my gosh, you know, the whole city is on fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard people saying stuff was like, I can see the birch Khalifa from my living room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, tallest building in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw people on like, I was literally on X and people are sharing AI-generated videos of the birch Khalifa on fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and they're panicking and they're freaking I'm like guys I can see out my window The birch clef has not been hit by and people are like oh, you're lying You're being paid by the government you're a Dubai shale data and I'm like guys I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm literally You know, it gets to the point where again You know, I don't know if these are real people I don't know if these are bots I know for sure some of them are real people because I actually know who the people were But I'm just like guys like this this here is the problem and this cuts in all this cuts in all directions
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[SPEAKER_00]: The picture that people are getting of the USA and its people is not an accurate one based on the media based on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the one of the shirts that we have on the site and real quick, I want to bring this up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody do not apply this shirt to Zubi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was making some content.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zubi's actually the exception to this rule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 1,000 percent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was making content on Steven A Smith before this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: your level of objectivity, your level of nuance, your level of, that's crazy, but this isn't, don't call this that, that I've watched over the last, almost decade now, watching you maintain that level of objectivity, because it's difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna commend you, and I'm always gonna commend you, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I watch, you know, we follow each other on X, I see,
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[SPEAKER_01]: positive messaging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see nuanced messaging.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see, I'm not going to judge this person because of, you know, the propaganda.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the shirts that we have is media, most effective devil in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I got that slogan from Malcolm X. Malcolm X said that in the 60s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm saying this to say, I want everybody to make sure that I don't care which way you decide to support Zubi with Subscribing with the book with, you know, the music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you need to be supporting artists, creators, and objective thinkers like Zubi that are saying, hey, I'm in this place that you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the building that you're showing me that is on fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at it right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Zubi needs to chill for Dubai.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's Zubi, I think Zubi is kind of all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Zubi has enough products and services.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Zubi's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think living in Dubai, I think Zubi is not being taxed out the Wahzu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that might be the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just wanna give you your flowers, brother,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you brought something up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the first time, one of the very earlier times that I went to, I was 19, and I went to Senegal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to the car Senegal when I was 19.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing in America and hoods across America is like, all the Africans, it's all horrible there, it's just the worst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now mind you, I've been to South African beaches that look like a screen saver years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, this looks like Hawaii, what are you all talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I remember being 19.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a friend of mine owned a store down south where I worked at the town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, yo, you want to go to Africa and I'm like, well, which part?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, set it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, sure, I even tried to learn how to speak wall-off when I was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the worst, the horrible, the worst sound my head is the hardest language I've ever heard in my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I didn't get past like, nungadith, monkey feet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I didn't get past a bunch of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And growing up in here is like, you know the people in Africa don't like African Americans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was there for two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these were some of the most loving, supportive, and giving folks that I had ever met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mind you, it's a big city, it's the car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, a few days in, I remember saying to folks that were hosting me, I said, listen, I got to be honest with you all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, and I was told that Africans on a continent didn't rock with African Americans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they laughed and they were like, and I was like, what's up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were, they said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: we thought that African Americans didn't mess with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And all I remember, the biggest thing that I remember from that was, there is somebody on both sides of this conversation lying to both of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I hear that conversation that you just said about that UK folks at a light, I'm not going over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And have you vet it this story that you've heard?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Similarly, when somebody says, you know, Spain is falling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there are political figures that are doing political things, but I do not think that that speaks for the massive amount of people that actual people that are there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A country's political leadership corrupt or not,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is actively doing things all across the country that their country men, the people that they're supposed to serve, generally do not want them to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, when you are well-traveled, most people will never go to as many countries as you've been to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just won't happen, they just, it could happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get anywhere in America for like less than 24 hours and less than $2,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can get anywhere on the globe, you know, for pretty much that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you start to travel and evaluate and become honest about the lies that you recognize as a lie that's been told,
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[SPEAKER_01]: your world view and the way to approach humans changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you said that, folks in the UK, like, I'm not going over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, wish everybody can't have a gun in America because of the 20,000 unconstitutional gun laws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like this languageing and the power of social media to be able to communicate these things with people from these places is the major key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we can start going,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's have a good faith conversation across social media and say, hey, you're there, what's actually going on there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to operate with you in good faith that you're really going to tell me the truth and I'm definitely going to tell you the truth about what's actually going on here, good bad and ugly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No different than the first question that you asked, like, I'm not going to lie to you when act like America is the nasty and a freedom of the way that it's being presented to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we got a great freedom story, but right now we are a far cry away from that and we have to actively work to make sure that we are pushing back against a lot of the division
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[SPEAKER_01]: because we won't we won't get more people in America that want to come here to be hard working or like Dubai you won't get people in Dubai and maybe that's the key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Dubai is like keep telling them it's horrible so nobody comes over here like yeah yeah it's slavery over here
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like we can do these things by just having a general public have real conversations about the pros and the cons and some things that we need to work on and then starting to get to work on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's how we improve locally our countries and then we improve the world because to me, I think the world is being manipulated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to know that we're being manipulated, but we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First thing I'm going to say is, well, thank you for the very kind words, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate what you said, because the number one I don't hear at that much from people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But number two is there is a challenge with it, which is that I've been on social media now for over 20 years, my entire adult life, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Starting out just with my music and then over time moving into podcasting
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[SPEAKER_00]: some degree of social and cultural commentary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just sharing my thoughts, all this stuff that I create books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you do that and your audience grows, and more and more people are following you, and you're reaching millions of people, you see how easy it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to not be nuanced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you see how people react and algorithm's respond to negativity versus positivity, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the funniest things that I get called sometimes is a grifter, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's crazy is like, if I actually want to grift,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know the playbook, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have seen the playbook and I've seen how lucrative it is, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would just pick a side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would eliminate all the nuance, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would just pick one side and just go hard on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's an pre-existing audience of millions and millions of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who, you know, if I just spent all day just, you know, putting, you know, generic right wing talking points and attacking attacking the left and, you know, just stating things as if everything is, you know, has no nuance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hot take after hot take after hot take, jumping on every current topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I already get over a billion impressions a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know exactly how I could crank that up to 3 billion, 4 billion, 5 billion, on different platforms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that if every time I do a podcast, if I put make the thumbnail like extra crazy in the title, I know that that will get more clicks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know if I use negative framing versus positive framing, I know it's going to get more clicks and so over the years, over the decades, even in my own music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always known like I could change my messaging if my goal was just to reach people or just to get attention like I could change the way that I do these things and I'm just like you know what that's not me and that's not my goal so I'm I'm grateful for that to be I'm grateful for that to be recognized man because ultimately I'm like man I can't be I'm
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I've been on the internet for so long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see people become caricatures of themselves, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They start out and, you know, they're reasonably nuanced and principled and they've got their values and their points and so on, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then over time, they get more and more audience captured and the nuance fades away and everything just becomes like more aggressive and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If people need to bend the truth a little bit, they're happy to bend the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're willing to just show this one side and hide the other side, they'll do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it happens more and more and I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Over the course of time, I think people don't notice the drift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you look, you look where they are five years later, and you're kind of like geez, like that person used to be like really reasonable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're just out here like daily, whatever the topic is, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For some people, it's the topic of race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, just attacking the left or attacking wokeness for some people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know, people have their pet issues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand that, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tricky line because sometimes it doesn't feel like it's, um, I think this is a big problem with social media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's just a part of the human psyche, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are drawn to negativity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very well known that people respond more to negative than they do to positive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People fear loss more than they desire gain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's divide and conquer, it works across most people in most countries most of the time because there's that innate tribalism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can convince people that insert group is the enemy, that could be blacks, that could be whites, that could be Jews, that could be the left, that could be the right, that could be, you can insert anything, it could be a freaking sports team, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you kick in that tribalism,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The nuance goes out the window, the cohesiveness goes out the window, and there are people who genuinely get mad at positivity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something I've noticed is one of my most controversial opinions, and this comes from having met hundreds of thousands of people, is that most people, period, all countries, all races, ethnicities, nationalities, most people, are decent or at least trying to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The majority of people in this world, I know people don't wanna hear that I know people wanna hear, oh, everyone is terrible, humanity sucks, like all these people are bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These people are most people are decent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna say good, but I'm gonna say most people are decent or at least trying to be people who are criminals, people who are like aggressively violent, people who are just nasty for no reason, they exist and they exist by the millions, but they're still a very small minority.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Most people don't want to admit that because of that grift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Israel has a whole bunch of black people that are Jewish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not allowed to say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not allowed to say that Sephardic Jews exist in Israel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a massive amount of people from all across the globe that happen to be melanated that are Jewish that readings speak Hebrew and are in the Torah that are in Israel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not allowed to say that because the current evil is if you're Jewish,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the current thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing and give it a week or a month and then it becomes, you know it's the blacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it wasn't for the blacks in America, then hey, we would have, it would be white Wakanda if not for the blacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like there's these back-to-back things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think to your point, what's changing is this, I think both sides of the argument, burnt it out, Gary V said something and I thought was so key and I set it and thought it in travel over the last decade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People are actually a little bit tired of social media, not because of the fun things in the sales and the accessibility, they're tired and they're starting to see the silliness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember years ago, when this came to mind, I was at the last blockbuster video, like the last one in America, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a lot of people in there, like just nostalgia in this and that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, there's a lot of people coming to the one blockbuster video.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: DVDs, VHS and all, you know, and then I thought to myself, there's gonna be people, because I have a DVD player on my RV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I enjoy my RV and I enjoy popping in a DVD of the office and I don't wanna wait for Netflix or NBC took it off in Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanna have the actual thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And over time I started hearing and looking, and I'm going, there's more people that want to analog experience more than a digital experience, a real-life experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year, over $1 billion in sales were for vinyl records.
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[SPEAKER_01]: vinyl records in the digital age, a billion dollars worth of sales.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I saying that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The nuanced people like yourself and others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that sift it through these extreme times of polarization and as more and more people are becoming because most people are decent are going yeah I agree with more right-leaning principles but I don't want to say the blacks my homies black like I don't want to just be like the blacks are the problem how's that make my homie feel
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're growing out of that binary and the people like you and I that are going hey we've been nuanced the whole time hey if you'd like a nuanced take
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then more, we become the people that become more impactful to service of the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we go, hey, this person has 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zubi has music in this and this and he's pretty much been objective this whole time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, he's got a book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, he's got a work out routine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, he's got a podcast and then you become the people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We become, we don't need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 50% of the population to support us or get on board and I don't mean just from a financial standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's always great But I mean from the standpoint of we are creating the types of minds that will save the planet and I mean that in no uncertain terms When people fall out of this binary and they fall into more and more and more intelligent new wants and objective take they only want to surround themselves with nuanced objective and
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[SPEAKER_01]: honest takes honest takes that are yes there is a problem with violent crime in black communities there is in a marathon
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's look at this from a, what was the information, what was the training, what was the diet, what was this, and what was the training as it relates to fire arm's ownership?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we change that based on training?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at it that way, not it's just because they're black.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at it, there's good people, decent people from all walks of life that are like, how can we solve this without villainizing and collecting and analyzing an entire group of people?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When those people such as yourself have products, services, viewpoints, and perspective, oh man, you turn into this is where we go for some actual sanity, for some actual, and this will turn into billions of dollars in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I say that in an
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[SPEAKER_01]: a few months ago, said, we are a guy just invested in Pizza Hut and said, we're bringing back all of the things that you used to like about Pizza Hut in store.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Pac-Man video game, the red and white tablecloths, we're going back to the actual menu, we're bringing back those red, big, plastic, hard as hell cups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so many people were like, oh my God, I cannot wait to give my money to these pizza huts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My point is, we're actually gonna win because we've been principled, honest, objective, and had things that actually serve people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's what the Sith Lords do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are Jedi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing that extreme, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we actually want to serve the Republic, we're going to be on this Jedi thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This does not mean that we don't get to experience the fullness of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't mean that you got to be poor and we're like just Jedi clothes all at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it also doesn't mean that I'll have to be super duper flashy going out on my way to try to like wear the million dollar t-shirt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those good and decent people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: are going to be and are starting to gravitate towards things that are not so much extreme.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How can I learn, how can I improve myself, how can I improve the legacy for my family?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those of us that have been objective and been on this path for some time, in my humble opinion, I believe we're about to reap massive benefits and the ability to serve even more people, because more people are being open to it, and the financial windfall that comes from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If anybody listening right now, if you've been on the objective lonely path, it's like going to the gym, your gains are coming, my brother, just stay the course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Either way, man, I believe certainly he's a Christian I believe on a long enough time frame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the reward is obvious, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reward is not of this earthly realm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, you know, I think that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: something that's so interesting about the the divisiveness and the sort of victim mentality and then wanting to play the us versus them thing and blame things on the collectivization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is, which is, you know, blame blaming everything on, oh, it's this group of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that's interesting about it is something I've learned and this is a
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a negative thing, but something I've definitely learned and noticed is a lot of people are actually okay with collectivization and unfair discrimination as long as they're not the ones on the receiving end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is kind of interesting because let's say from about 2014 to about 2022, 2023, it was kind of like it mainstreamed and it was popularized to just like hate on white people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right so across the west right so there was all the you know the white privilege the white guilt white people bad especially white man you know straight white man right like all of that kind of rhetoric that was coming from the left of just like demonizing white people you know which which I hate by the way and I was very vocally opposed to that as we're obviously you know a lot of people especially conservatives and especially you know white people who are leaning right um
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's totally, that's, people should hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People should be opposed to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is interesting how some people who really, really hate that and all the stuff that came with it are then quite happy to flip the script and then be like, oh, okay, let's do the same to the Jews, or let's do the same to the black.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's do, you know, and I'm kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to me, the problem with actual racism, right, I know that words have been used way too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, the problem with racism is not like the demographic that it's aimed at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem with racism is that it is wrong and stupid and immoral to judge entire groups of millions or even millions of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: based off of a small minority who behave badly or based off of, you know, just random prejudices or based off of whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're eight billion individuals in this world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single person has their own character, background, behaviors, personalities, and so on, right, like beyond how much melanin we have and perhaps the origin of our ancestors,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't immediately have that much in common with just like any random other black guy, whether he's in Africa or North America or Europe or whatever, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And his behavior, I am certainly not responsible for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just like he's not responsible for mine, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the same way that it's very stupid when people want to blame like modern day white Europeans or Americans for people who looked like them a hundred years ago, having potentially having slaves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all just goofy, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all very, very silly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, well, if you did not do the thing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you're not responsible for the thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's so obvious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people get that when it comes to themselves, but then when it comes to sort of pointing the finger out in the other way, it's like, can we not be consistent here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, like, I'm fully with you on, like, hey, let's not just like, hate on white people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think that's stupid, I think that's goofy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, hey, let's not just like hate on Jews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not just hate on Asians or hate on Blacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we elevate a little the way that I break it down to them is it's like it's like okay I get called the N word and I'll say the N word I would just say the word, but it's your platform, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get called the N word on X and I really enjoy like social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the concept I get called that word so often and because I noted a lot of its bots Like I just a bot
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, when it's actual humans and I see people champion people that are okay with it I'm like you guys don't have principles and standards you there's always a character in the movie that gets it but it's not necessarily the king or So okay the argument about the movie to Odyssey I watched Troy like last week were Brad Pitt one of my favorite movies of all time
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[SPEAKER_01]: Achilles had his position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Agamemnon had his position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the king over there had their positions, but very few of those people were willing to be the nuanced person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then movie Troy, the guy that had Achilles's ear that still worked for Agamemnon, he would he would be able to talk to Achilles and say,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man, we need you to fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he would, a killings will be like, man, this, you know this king is trash and you are principal dude and this guy's trash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he would tell like, killings like, sometimes in a position that we're in, even as a king, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's the best guy, but we're thinking about our soldiers in our country, man, and our killings respected that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he would go talk to the evil king, you know, man, not, I, I, I, I, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he would go, hey, Achilles will go fight, but she kind of got to like give him the girl back that she took.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, but you know, I didn't touch her, I did it up, that guy had Achilles's ear, and he had the King's ear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Achilles was more righteous, and the King was clearly a scumbag, clearly a scumbag, however.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that person that does not aspire to be the greatest warrior of all time or the king controlling everything, that person and all of these movies usually a, lives and b, unites everybody after the king and Achilles dies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these movies, you gotta strive to be the person that chooses, you can be legendary, you can, again, to your point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That phrase I'm definitely using at normal, doesn't go viral.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can be a kill-ease.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go viral for saying all of these crazy things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can kill an on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That may not be what your countrymen actually need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can be the king that's like a tyrant or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like on whatever side left or right because the left or right does the same things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have a system of checks and balances and if you're not doing that, you're gonna fall because empires an entire it's always fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the nuanced person that's willing to say, I happen to be black,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not responsible for anybody else's negative dealings, and then when we look at the data and go, less than 1% of the people that you're grouping me in, the 13% that you're saying does 50% which has been debunked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Less than 1% of the group that you're putting me in are actually the violent criminals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we look at the data and we look at the actual numbers, you think falls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now when I go, what I try to do is I go, hey guys, you guys that are saying this about the black 13% of the 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's do convicted pedophiles in America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There happen to be white males.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we keeping that same energy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to say no for you because it's stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not going to go my white homie that I was getting potatoes
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to now give him the same collectivist ideology, or you say to say that you might be one of the convicted or it might be prone to pedophilia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you explain these things to folks and show them the mirror like, this is what you're doing to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and this is what was done to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is not to do it to others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The answers is to maintain the standard of this is evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would Jesus do in this space?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to repeat evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, my organization is called Black Guns Matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is it called that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we stand in front of a place and be like, hey, if you're lighter than this, you can't get in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We did not do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The black community has been targeted with the racist practice of gun control and because of that, the ignorance, the lack of training and these communities we want to target these communities first and make them safer and more informed not black guns matter because the white man is evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the name of the organization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I look at a lot of libertarians.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that are humans on social media, that I'm watching platform people that are openly saying blacks and Jews are the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I'm critical of that, now my just trying to start trouble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm saying I thought we had a standard about not being collectivists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought we had a standard of judging humans by the content of their character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody tries out the Dr. Martin Luther King t-shirt on his anniversary of the speech, but where are we practically living that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to say, oh, it's the Moroccans in Africa that are going into Spain, just randomly, all of the Moroccans, 50,000 of them just was one day just decided to get on the same page and we're like, we're going to sneak into this small port.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never mind that there's buses and boats and all of those different things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't get 10 people to come to my house for dinner at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling me that random,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you step back and look at these things and maintain the standard of where am I being lied to, where am I actually, where are they tricking us, where are they trying to divide us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at it from that perspective, you make much more intelligent observations and decisions and I fear that more specifically talking to the white guys that are falling victim to this, that are pushing that Nick Fuentes, this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've seen, I've seen Tate in his brother Tristan play with it, but I give them a little bit more room, Tate in his brother, you know, Andrew and Tristan one because they happen to be black.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's in their kind of funny as hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, all right, that's kind of funny, but when I see that language, I'm like, yo bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a coordinated effort via media and politics to make us not work together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To make me go be afraid to engage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my land is not too far from where Nolan Wells.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if you familiar with the kid that he was hanging out on boats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he wasn't missing and he found his body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My land is not too far from there, down south.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm seeing people on social media go, you know you can't go out and hang out with white people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in my mind, I'm like, imagine if,
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[SPEAKER_01]: white people collectively on social media would have said, you know, you know, that's why you can't go out where you can't go out with too many of the blacks in New Orleans on, you know, you can't go hang out with too many of the blacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The standard is the standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's not too many people that exemplify standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, bro, you know somebody you should interview if you haven't already, because it comes to mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Andy Forsella.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've ever interviewed him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has his company called First Form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've went there and I've done his podcast a few times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their whole thing is... And this was the one you said?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The company doesn't... Madam, but I haven't interviewed him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, I'm going to try to plug y'all together, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you could go there and go to their facilities in St. Louis, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a cleaning crew.
55:42.936 --> 55:47.597
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I mean, what I mean by that is, they don't have like a staff to come clean.
55:47.977 --> 55:50.118
[SPEAKER_01]: The people that work there, clean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the standard is such the standard that
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably maybe Daniel defense.
55:59.833 --> 56:07.999
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been a Daniel defense as well, but other than Daniel defense and NASA, I've never seen such a dialed in, these are the standards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what we as a team do, Spive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, because there's no deviation from the standard, we see so much greatness out of that company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that if we start maintaining a standard of, is this loving, is this supportive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that you can't be harsh and firm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But is this loving?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this supportive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this identifying the individual and trying to apply a solution?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we start to maintain that standard of not just being evil pieces of trash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The world would get better.
56:38.307 --> 56:40.149
[SPEAKER_01]: The world with the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The entire planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only like eight billion people.
56:47.372 --> 56:53.457
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only like eight billion people, which means like in a lot of it is like land.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only eight billion people in the whole planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we could concentrate on, we're just gonna be good people that maintain a standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not ignoring that they're not evil people to your point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna be prepared and capable of handling evil people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, if we just focus every single day on being a good person, white, black, every color in between, I am not going to collect, devise any of these groups of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I say that that person did horrible things to children, we are forever going to stamp that person with the horrible things that that person with that small group of people did to those children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I am not going to go, well, you know, that's how the whites get down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it takes to your point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes a level of bravery that few are going to be willing to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hence, while we will get the windfall and the blessings here and here after, because we are being brave by saying, I'm not just gonna collectivize any group of people, and because people to your point find safety and comfort and I get to collectivize that group as long as I'm not being collectivized, that's cowardice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the people that are more brave or willing to say, no, this is my standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say that every single part of Africa, first of all, which part are you talking about in Africa?
58:33.027 --> 58:39.110
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much nuance where you know them Africans, you know them whites, you know them Jews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of them, like, which have you, have you met them, you know, you know, that's how women are.
58:45.494 --> 58:49.776
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've had a meeting with all of the women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the women have overwhelmingly not on a 90% tip were like, yeah, this is how we all think.
58:58.203 --> 59:05.469
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you've had that meeting, please send me the notes from the meeting so I can get on board, but it's safe to say that you did not have the meeting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we look at it through that lens, we can change the world, we can get better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can make these play, I do not wanna, I am not gonna suffer this theory that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not black pill bro, I'm not, I'm never gonna accept that.
59:20.791 --> 59:21.652
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just how it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Slavery existed for millennia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't exist to this extent anymore.
59:27.814 --> 59:37.437
[SPEAKER_01]: In the places where there's forms of slavery that do still exist, we can, if you wanna pick that up as your mission, you can pick that up as your mission and you can make the world better, man.
59:37.797 --> 59:38.678
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do that.
59:38.778 --> 59:44.361
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not allow these small evil people that want to control most of us good and decent people.
59:44.701 --> 59:50.264
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't let them place play inception on your mind and put something in your brain and make you now.
59:50.284 --> 59:52.546
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even willing to try.
59:52.686 --> 59:54.467
[SPEAKER_01]: If I can bluff you, I can beat you.
59:54.507 --> 59:55.828
[SPEAKER_01]: They claim, I'll go with you.
59:56.288 --> 01:00:01.530
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, part in the rant a bit, but I just know we have so much power and potential.
01:00:01.970 --> 01:00:14.013
[SPEAKER_01]: If we really, really dial in on maintaining that standard and really, really, really loving each other and having genuine, I don't fuck with you for the people that really whose hand has called for it.
01:00:14.394 --> 01:00:16.254
[SPEAKER_01]: These are not opposing concepts.
01:00:16.454 --> 01:00:24.116
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, I love myself, my country, the human race so much that I am very defensive towards
01:00:25.897 --> 01:00:31.380
[SPEAKER_01]: humans and making this collective thing because they're making it more difficult for all of us as humanity.
01:00:31.820 --> 01:00:35.602
[SPEAKER_01]: And those are not mutually like you can only do one of the other.
01:00:36.262 --> 01:00:38.043
[SPEAKER_01]: One actually strengthens the other.
01:00:38.223 --> 01:00:41.064
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I think I'm never going to accept the black building.
01:00:41.084 --> 01:00:42.025
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just never going to accept it.
01:00:42.965 --> 01:00:43.726
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that pro man.
01:00:43.946 --> 01:00:45.727
[SPEAKER_00]: I love your passion and fire all the time man.
01:00:46.227 --> 01:00:48.128
[SPEAKER_00]: So glad we got to have another conversation.
01:00:48.628 --> 01:00:51.309
[SPEAKER_00]: Munch for people who aren't already following you but are listening.
01:00:51.369 --> 01:00:52.930
[SPEAKER_00]: Where can they find and follow you online?
01:00:53.251 --> 01:01:00.196
[SPEAKER_01]: everybody can I'm trying to zoom in I'm I'm I'm so trying to be like a social like an internet person now.
01:01:01.317 --> 01:01:07.262
[SPEAKER_01]: And YouTube is the hardest thing to like grow on so if everybody wants to follow me on YouTube.
01:01:07.882 --> 01:01:13.247
[SPEAKER_01]: YouTube.com forward slash at March to Ray M. A. J. T. O. U. R. E. That's for YouTube.
01:01:13.367 --> 01:01:14.147
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll start there.
01:01:15.829 --> 01:01:17.210
[SPEAKER_01]: If you are on X.
01:01:18.505 --> 01:01:20.045
[SPEAKER_01]: My page is very objective.
01:01:20.165 --> 01:01:27.727
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want X at Maj2ray, M-A-J-T-O-U-R-E, Instagram, Big Daddy2ray.
01:01:28.287 --> 01:01:33.328
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to check the website out, we have programs, we've got classes all out of the stuff.
01:01:33.728 --> 01:01:36.469
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go over the SolutionaryUniversity.org.
01:01:37.169 --> 01:01:40.670
[SPEAKER_01]: And if anybody's going through something, if you've got something, you know,
01:01:41.550 --> 01:01:45.553
[SPEAKER_01]: If you listen to this conversation, I just for me today from Zubi too, man, Zubi.
01:01:45.853 --> 01:01:50.075
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to really go back and clip up what Zubi saying and really, really understand.
01:01:50.656 --> 01:01:54.638
[SPEAKER_01]: You just told you guys, I've traveled, do these more well-traveled in me.
01:01:55.098 --> 01:02:00.342
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to maybe 10 countries over how long, I'm well-traveled in America.
01:02:01.082 --> 01:02:18.025
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I want you guys to understand it like somebody that's telling you something that has pretty much traveled to globe right that's saying hey like most people based on my experience with hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people most people are generally decent take solace in that good faith conversation
01:02:18.665 --> 01:02:34.435
[SPEAKER_01]: And give a little bit more trust to, you know, I can be a good person because based on this anecdotal experience that Zubi has had based on his lived experience, I trust him a bit because I don't think he's going to sell me, it's not that he excels me by telling me that most people are, you know, good.
01:02:34.455 --> 01:02:45.743
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you guys to really understand the importance of that and if you're going through something, please feel free to reach out to me or good people like Zubi that are saying, hey,
01:02:46.753 --> 01:03:04.067
[SPEAKER_01]: this is a sia you know you guys have survived twenty twenty twenty twenty two was the biggest sia we just only heals a Fauci you know getting on a stand going like never mind never mind never mind so like you live through that man your life has tremendous purpose
01:03:04.988 --> 01:03:08.410
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if my email is my name, Maj. 2 Ray at Gmail.
01:03:08.491 --> 01:03:09.031
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
01:03:09.111 --> 01:03:15.916
[SPEAKER_01]: To shoot me an email, I would rather listen to you about what you've going through and we got a private community.
01:03:15.956 --> 01:03:17.457
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a solutionary community.
01:03:17.597 --> 01:03:23.601
[SPEAKER_01]: I would rather work with you in our 99 day intensive to help you get smarter, stronger and you know, a better shooter.
01:03:24.739 --> 01:03:31.041
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would rather listen to you, talk about was wrong and work through that and help you with some solutions.
01:03:31.461 --> 01:03:38.582
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather read that email than read your obituary because there's a lot of people that are taking their lives based on media.
01:03:38.822 --> 01:03:42.383
[SPEAKER_01]: Like media is their lying, they are a promise you.
01:03:42.703 --> 01:03:45.144
[SPEAKER_01]: You can listen to me on this lower level of travel.
01:03:45.524 --> 01:03:46.384
[SPEAKER_01]: They are lying.
01:03:46.924 --> 01:03:49.445
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you can listen to Zubi on a higher level of travel.
01:03:50.145 --> 01:03:53.746
[SPEAKER_01]: We are both telling you that lying to you.
01:03:54.266 --> 01:03:56.267
[SPEAKER_01]: They are 1,000% cap in you up.
01:03:56.287 --> 01:04:01.791
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are the areas that you can contact me, follow me, similar to Zubi.
01:04:02.052 --> 01:04:04.613
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very, very engaging on social media.
01:04:04.813 --> 01:04:05.894
[SPEAKER_01]: I like social media.
01:04:07.435 --> 01:04:09.897
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, man, just those are the areas that you guys can support.
01:04:09.917 --> 01:04:14.380
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to grab some merch, you can go over to blackgonesmatter.shop.
01:04:14.420 --> 01:04:18.043
[SPEAKER_01]: But bigger than anything, bigger than the sales and the products.
01:04:18.908 --> 01:04:23.951
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, reach out to me if you if you really want to, you know, talk about things.
01:04:23.991 --> 01:04:32.777
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go through something, if you could use a little bit of support, we are supposed to use the power of social media and the internet to make the world better.
01:04:33.458 --> 01:04:35.879
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm, I make myself available.
01:04:35.939 --> 01:04:36.700
[SPEAKER_01]: I work for y'all.
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.983
[SPEAKER_01]: You may have never met me or heard me before in your life, but just know that I work for you.
01:04:41.523 --> 01:04:42.064
[SPEAKER_01]: And so my job.
01:04:42.084 --> 01:04:42.964
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have one boss.
01:04:43.264 --> 01:04:47.107
[SPEAKER_01]: I got like eight billion bosses and you know, you can, you feel free to put me to work.
01:04:47.551 --> 01:04:48.033
[SPEAKER_00]: Amen, bro.
01:04:48.454 --> 01:04:52.347
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for being a force for positivity, man, and I encourage everyone listening to do the same.
01:04:52.949 --> 01:04:53.430
[SPEAKER_00]: My story.
01:04:53.671 --> 01:04:54.675
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the gift of your time.
