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Welcome to Primary Technology,
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the show about the tech news that matters.
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It is another massive Apple Week.
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plus Anthropic filed for their IPO.
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I've had an iPhone duo in my hand for a
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you really wanted to, and a ton more.
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This episode is brought to you by Origin
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the members who support us directly.
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I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Robles,
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joined by award winning co host Jason Aten.
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How's it going, Jason?
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I mean I'm gonna take some credit.
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I th being ornery as
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You are I mean
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a co host has paid off for us.
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It it it is it is paid off. We have an
award.
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I haven't I don't have the physical award
yet,
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but I do have our letter signifying the
official ~ win for that.
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So
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If you're
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listening to this ju he just held up a
jury summon,
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but it's fine.
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That's exactly right. We have so much to
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~ first of all, I lost miserably in our
debate about what hand you people
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use their iPhone in and Jason is clapping.
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I am a right handed person and I use my
phone predom predominantly in my right
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And apparently I am in the vast minority
of people who do that.
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Jason was the opposite. You you use your
ha phone in your left hand more.
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Is that right?
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I'll
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almost exclusively except and I
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Yeah. Hmm.
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hesitate to say this in a in a recorded
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but I did realize that there are times of
I for some reason like the other
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day I was driving and I had somehow an
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Yeah. Sure, sure.
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So I had to reach
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for my phone. And clearly I'm gonna use my
right hand because that's
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the area that the phone is going to be on.
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That's the
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so what I'm trying to say is the only time
I use my right hand is when I'm driving.
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But I don't use my phone when I'm driving,
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than you're driving. Course not.
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okay, mom?
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Of
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course not. I've literally set up a domain
and hover while driving.
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Anyway. It has auto p the
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But anyway, I'm not I'm not proud of it.
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And there's a lot of traffic.
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car has autopilot. They don't call it that
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But they call it auto steer, I think,
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which is also a bad name because it
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it just keeps you in the middle of the
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Well my car is sold, it doesn't have any
an it doesn't have auto anything.
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But anyway. that's true. Your your car
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It does,
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But here's
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it does.
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so I was thinking about this thing,
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Steven, and I'm not going to glow.
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But ~ it
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But I am.
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occur no no no no. It occurs to me
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I actually think this is great because it
this is what makes us such a good
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co host partnership. That's we we actually
have an award to back that up.
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Hmm. Award winning. Award award winning co
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Yes, exactly.
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That's right.
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But it's because
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Typically I I thought about this.
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I'm like, no, that's not just my
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I'm pretty sure that this is the way most
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phone. I just think about it like that.
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And Steven,
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you are like such an enthusiast that it's
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why anyone would use it differently than
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That's okay. Like this is, I promise you,
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this is not a backhanded compliment.
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Sure sure sure.
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Because the number
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of times when you're like a hundred
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in the universe must do it this way.
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You're
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a man of the people. You're a man of the
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You knew. And so let's read it.
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'Cause we got we got a bunch of five star
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Thank you for that. I also read a bunch of
the YouTube comments.
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I read the first one hundred agreeing with
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and then I fell into a dark night of the
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so I had to stop.
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There are like four or five people who
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Steven, let's be fair. Yeah.
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Out of a thousand. Out of a thousand.
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So
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Apple User Pro from the USA. Thank you for
your five star review.
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Said I'm right-handed, but always carry my
iPhone in my left pocket and
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use it with my left hand. Hudson Adams
from the USA said I'm right-handed
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and I use my phone in my right hand.
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So I got one win there. Thank you for
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Uh-huh.
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the congrats on the award. Rob Owens from
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And they asked if we talk about AI agents
a lot and we don't mention Grok a lot.
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I personally don't use Grok a lot,
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but I will say
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I have a my wife's cousin's husband.
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What do you call that? Your your
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your cousin-in-law. Your cousin-in-law.
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He works in the health insurance industry
where he like sells health insurance
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or whatever. And I hopefully this is not
doxing him.
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I didn't say his name, so it's fine.
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But he actually uses Grok to great effect.
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And he added doing like wild stuff,
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reason like aggregating plans for his
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I just don't use it. And now that I have
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which I just got access before that we've
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I'm not going to be using Muse either.
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So there you go. But anyway.
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Evil Manatee. Great name. I also love
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just saying that.
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Even the evil ones.
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even the evil one. Says I'm right handed,
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but use my phone left handed. So that was
and battery percentage on.
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I lost twice on that one. Mike MCS,
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left handed left pocket. So,
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okay, dominant hand, you know,
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dominant pocket.
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MTR City Joe from the USA said
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but I've always held every iPhone I've
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So again, point for you. Solomon Dix from
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five-star review. Thank you for that.
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I hold the iPhone in my left hand while
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for more specifically like scrolling and
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So he's kind of a two-handed phone user.
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So he's using his right hand to scroll and
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And then finally, James J. Kelly says,
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yeah, just said nice things about the
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So thank you. But yeah, all the comments
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a vast majority use if they are right
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use their phone in their left hand.
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And I don't I don't get it, but I
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So there you go. D
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do you ever is it because you're doing
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~ this is one of those things that I don't
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how biology has evolved us this way,
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but it just I mean, picking it up in my
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is by far the most comfortable way to use
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but it does it feels weird. And I don't
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like if I'm looking at my phone,
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I'm typically not doing anything else,
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despite the driving comment earlier.
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Sure, sure.
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I I think it's just but it may be that I
and this could be it.
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It may be that I'm used to using my right
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the keys, right? Or with other things.
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like, no, the keys are gonna be in my hand
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to use to unlock the things. Or if I'm
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So like phone, perfect.
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all right. All right. Well, if you haven't
yet,
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you can leave us a five star rating and
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Let us know, right handed, left handed,
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what hand you use your phone in.
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Also what pocket. I feel like the pocket
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in has a lot to do with what hand you use
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Which hand you use it with probably has a
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You can let us know in the in the in the
five
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star Indian review. And one picture I want
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This is Kartik at the believe he's in
India.
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He's ~ not only watching one of my shorts,
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but he has our primary tech polar brand on
the night plane.
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I he's taking it to work every day and
he's propping it now just on the
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lid of his MacBook Pro, which could be a
touch screen MacBook Pro in a couple
weeks.
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We'll see. We'll see. But thank you for
that photo.
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All right. Apple had one billion products.
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I I'm tired, Jason. I'm just tired.
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It's just so much.
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It's just release everything. It's like
the Kylo Ren meme with the more,
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more. I guess,
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you know, John Turner's just coming out
the gate.
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I was talking to David Sparks on MacPower
Users and this will come out Sunday,
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but it feels like Siri AI forced a lot of
products to be delayed.
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Things like the home view, the home pod,
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maybe the newer Apple TV. And with that,
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we've now just had like a what is it,
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a pig in the python is the term where
there's like a Jason's face.
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You never heard that term?
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G what does my face tell you about whether
I've ever heard this term?
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Yeah, I don't like like when a
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snake eats something, you know,
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there's this huge bulge in the middle of
the snake for a time.
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And it's like there's a bunch of products
that because they were delayed have
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got pushed up till now. And so there's
just all the things.
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things that were long planned,
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like the touch screen Mac and the iPhone
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but then a bunch of peripheral type things
like the home view,
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the home pod two, the Apple TV,
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that were probably planned to be released.
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A year ago, two years ago, but Siri AI
delayed it.
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So we have this crazy fall with 1,000
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That's a theory, maybe that. But suffice
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we have a lot to talk about. So iPad Mini,
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it was the first day of this three-day
press release release cycle Apple
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has done in the past. Jaws tweeted it,
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you know, kind of teased it at the
beginning of the week.
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iPad Mini, it's new. It has an OLED
screen,
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like rumored, 8.5 inch. It's a larger
display.
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With a same footprint body. So they
decreased the bezels,
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which I'm very keen to see how that looks.
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But you have a nanotexture option now,
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which you didn't on past iPad minis,
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the A20 Pro chip. So it's powerful,
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same chip as the current iPhone.
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Has the C2 modem, has Wi-Fi 7,
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Bluetooth 6, and thread because of the N1
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Starts at 699. And yeah, this is now a
very difficult decision because.
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You can either have a nanotexture iPad
mini built into your phone,
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or you could buy the standalone iPad mini,
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which now has a larger screen and is an
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And it's like I know Apple just wants you
to buy one of their products or
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as many as you want, but it's like the
impossible choice now.
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It's like iPad mini, iPhone Duo,
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iPhone and iPad mini. So anyway.
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get an iPhone eighteen pro, an iPad mini
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than for the amount of
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An iPhone duo.
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storage that you get for the iPhone duo,
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yeah.
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Well, we're gonna talk at length about the
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And and ~ what device you choose to pair
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I that is the that is the question,
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I feel like, now. And my iPhone 18 Pro Max
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to Space Odyssey. Whenever I lift it.
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But anyway, we'll talk about that.
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So iBad Mini is out. Also, products that I
think they just wanted to put an
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M6 in to get it out there and updated is
the spec bumped iMac and the base model
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m6 MacBook Pro.
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They have been updated with the Wi-Fi,
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Bluetooth, and Thread because Apple's just
putting their N1 chip
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in all these products along with the new
six.
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So that's cool. but if you're in the
market for an iMac or the base model
MacBook
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Pro, then you can get one with an six.
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Before you go to the creator show,
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can I say something about that Mac the
iPad mini?
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Yeah. yeah, yeah.
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Because I
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told you that I'm probably gonna sell my
iPad Pro.
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I'm gonna have to spend
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Yes, you did.
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some time with the mini, hope to review
it,
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but the fact that they put the OLED
display on it is like killer.
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Yes. Yeah.
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And the screen's a little bit bigger,
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that's fine. It supports the pencil pro,
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like so you don't even have to buy a new
Apple Pencil.
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Yes. Yes.
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~
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and that A20, especially if you get the
512 where you get the dual new neural
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engine thing. Yeah.
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Neural engines, yeah.
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I I feel like it's gonna really be I mean
it's also like gonna cost
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you eight hundred or nine hundred dollars
at that point,
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but it's gonna be killer. And
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Sure. Yeah.
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I was curious because did you see this
this is why I wanted to ask you,
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'cause I ~ hypothetically you and I might
have been on a briefing together
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to talk about the iPad mini. It's
possible.
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Sure. It's pause. Sure, sure.
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I don't I might have dreamed that.
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But
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the the thing that you n that they knew
they were gonna get questions about
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was why not 120 Hz? But
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Right.
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The story I saw was it does have a hundred
and twenty hertz panel in it that
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is just limited to sixty hertz.
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My question is,
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But that's not from Apple though,
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right?
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that's the story that they're saying is
that the panel
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~
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that they put in it is is a hundred and
twenty hertz panel that's just limited
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by software to sixty hertz. And I'm
thinking,
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like, is that just a price differentiation
thing?
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This feels a
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Hmm. Yeah.
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lot like BMW putting the elements for the
heated seats,
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but then wanting to charge you a
subscription after the fact.
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That would not feel great. And that would
thank you for saying that
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was the one thing I forgot to say.
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The the no promotion on the iPad mini,
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especially when you look at the pricing,
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because the iPad mini is closer to iPad
Pro pricing than base model pricing.
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And I think what is it? I mean the iPad
Air doesn't it start at like three ninety
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nine?
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The iPad Air does not start at $3.99.
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I think it's $6.99.
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does it?
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It's got an M4 in it.
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Yeah, but I'm looking it up right now.
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iPad Air, which hasn't been updated this
year,
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I don't think. shoot, starts at seven
fifty.
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Never
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Yeah, okay.
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never mind. Okay. I get Okay,
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so iPad minis is cheaper than iPad Air.
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I the promotion just feels like I'm
probably the only one that cares about
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it on the iPad mini. Maybe not.
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Definitely.
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But I edit when I edit podcasts,
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which I know I'm the only one that's doing
this,
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~ the promotion's really nice.
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And
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I
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wish they would have put it in there.
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Anyway, I made my request known.
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We'll just say that. I made my request
known.
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They were expecting it.
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Yeah, they they were they were ready for
it.
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So, okay, so the M6 i Mac M6 MacBook Pro.
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There's also Creator Studio updates.
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These updates are not live yet,
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so it's not like you can update your apps
right now.
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But there's some really interesting stuff.
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Jason wrote an article about this,
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we're gonna talk about in a second.
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But the Creator Studio apps like Final
Cut,
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Logic, PixelMater Pro.
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One of the most interesting ones,
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I think, is Final Cut. Motion VFX will now
be the plugins and a lot
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of the animated effects will be built into
Final Cut.
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If you remember, Apple purchased Motion
VFX last year
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and it was wondering like, how are they
going to build this in?
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Well, we're now we're here. And you'll be
able to get Motion
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VFX plugins and animations and titles in
Final Cut.
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I am curious what amount.
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Of Motion VFX packs will be available in
Final Cut.
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Like Motion VFX had a huge library.
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And I had purchased many packs.
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I purchased like MKBHD's Motion VFX pack
for a hundred bucks.
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And I just I purchased like a podcast
documentary style animation title pack
that
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I use in a lot of my videos. So I'm
curious,
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like, am I gonna see those in Final Cut?
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Or is there some kind of select,
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you know, amount?
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And this does seem to be just the Creator
Studio version.
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So if you're on the one-time purchase
final cut,
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like you paid $300 and you're not doing
the subscription,
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you will not have access to these things.
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So remains to be seen. This comes out in
November,
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this update. And there's also better
implementation of round tripping like
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an image to PixelMator. So if you want it
to you have an image and final cut,
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you're trying to overlay it on a video,
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but you want to edit it, there'll be a
round trip to PixelMater Pro on
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the Mac and bring it back. And also,
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PixelMator Pro now has a generative fill
tool built into the app.
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This will be on the iPad and on the Mac.
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That is very interesting. You know,
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Photoshop has their generative fill.
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I'm sure there'll be lots of side by side
testing of how these two
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~ go well together. And then there were
updates to iWork,
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which are really fascinating. I'll throw
it to you about the iWorks.
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Or did you have any thoughts on Final Cut
and PixelMator or any of
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Well
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~ I would be interested well, I'm gonna
explain something,
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but then I wish they would have done this
thing to also Final Cut.
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Logic, I don't know how that would really
work,
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but maybe, but I feel like final cut for
sure.
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But yeah, so they added two things.
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One, they have an AI assistant.
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They kinda did before, but they added more
of an AI assistant powered by
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Ch by Chat GPT of all things.
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I don't get it. I don't g I don't get it.
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Or of well,
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I they don't say it's Chat GPT,
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but it's open AI. But and then
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Right.
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The part that I was really interested in
is that they added an
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MCP support model context protocol.
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Yes.
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So you can connect, you know, Claude or ~
Codex
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Codex
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or Chat GPT work or whatever those things
to pages,
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numbers, keynote and have it do things for
you,
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right? You could just give it a bunch of
text and be like,
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make this beautiful in pages or make me a
presentation,
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or you can give it a numbers document and
be like
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I don't know, probably convert this to
Excel.
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Do do ego do equation stuff.
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No, I'm just kidding. Like, do
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stuff. Tell me, yeah, are my sales going
up or down?
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Or where should we like just give it
massive amounts of data and have it do
things?
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And I actually think that's really cool
because the story for a long time
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has just been that Apple is so far behind.
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And I think that the way that they are
doing this is better than the way
Microsoft,
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especially, is doing it, but also Google,
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because Microsoft is like, you opened a
document.
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Here's Copilot. And we're like,
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no, I just
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I just opened a document. I just needed to
do like do a thing.
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And it's like, here's
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Right, right.
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Copilot. What did you want to do?
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I'm like, get out of my face. I just let
me use the things I paid for.
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It looks like you're updating your resume.
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It's right.
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Should I tell your employer? You know?
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Would you like me to start looking for
jobs?
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It's like, Copilot, go away. I don't want
you to do that.
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Exactly. I've notified your manager,
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they might hear from other jobs.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Go Google, on the other hand, is a little
bit,
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at least in the Google workspace stuff,
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like a little more chill about it.
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You have to like seek
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Yeah, yeah,
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it out. Whereas I feel like Microsoft is
like
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Yeah, someone looking over your shoulder,
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like, hey, what you doing there?
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Can I can I help? It's like, no.
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Would you like me to yeah. So I yeah.
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Whereas with so with
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Apple though, I feel like this is there is
an AI assistant stuff,
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but the NCP is, I think, the part that
makes a difference because I'm sure there
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are a lot of people who use their Macs,
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who use pages, who use that stuff.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But I think that Google did such a great
job just conditioning ki students
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to use Google Docs that that's what people
just keep using.
461
00:16:47,362 -->
00:16:49,994
And I feel like this actually gives you a
reason because pages,
462
00:16:49,994 -->
00:16:54,076
honestly, really good page layout software
if you don't need
463
00:16:54,076 -->
00:16:55,386
the advanced features of InDesign.
464
00:16:55,386 -->
00:16:56,898
It's actually really good at that.
465
00:16:56,333 -->
00:16:57,333
Right. Yeah.
466
00:16:56,898 -->
00:16:57,898
And
467
00:16:57,299 -->
00:16:59,360
this is a cool thing where you can now
say,
468
00:16:59,360 -->
00:17:01,321
like, hey, I need a little bit of help.
469
00:17:01,321 -->
00:17:04,527
I made a flyer, but I don't really know
like what yeah,
470
00:17:04,527 -->
00:17:06,825
I don't think you should just have Chat
GBT make your flyers.
471
00:17:06,825 -->
00:17:08,946
Those are disgusting. But I feel like you
can ask
472
00:17:07,971 -->
00:17:08,971
Right, right.
473
00:17:08,946 -->
00:17:10,387
it to do things. And so I do I don't know,
474
00:17:10,387 -->
00:17:11,598
I just think this is the right approach.
475
00:17:12,141 -->
00:17:13,182
I think it's really interesting.
476
00:17:13,182 -->
00:17:15,733
There's gonna be a built-in chat bot,
477
00:17:15,733 -->
00:17:18,865
you know, in some of these. So this is ~
from the Apple Newsroom article,
478
00:17:18,865 -->
00:17:21,857
which I'll link below, but keynote pages
and numbers introduce intelligent
479
00:17:21,857 -->
00:17:26,440
assistance, and there's this chat sidebar
that you can ask it for changes.
480
00:17:26,440 -->
00:17:30,423
You can ask it things like write speaking
points for these slides or help
481
00:17:30,423 -->
00:17:32,544
me animate my slides. You know,
482
00:17:32,544 -->
00:17:34,696
so think that is gonna be interesting,
483
00:17:34,696 -->
00:17:38,668
cool to play with. The Apple Intelligence
features in Keynote up until
484
00:17:38,668 -->
00:17:41,400
now have been pretty bad. Like there has
been a
485
00:17:41,976 -->
00:17:44,987
paste an outline into Keynote and will
generate a bunch of slides.
486
00:17:44,987 -->
00:17:47,428
If you have tried that even now with
Creator Studio,
487
00:17:47,428 -->
00:17:49,049
it is bad. Like it makes bad slides.
488
00:17:49,049 -->
00:17:51,130
They don't look good. They're not
formatted well.
489
00:17:51,130 -->
00:17:52,990
So I'm curious if this is improved.
490
00:17:52,990 -->
00:17:54,561
And then like Jason was saying,
491
00:17:54,561 -->
00:17:58,151
that MCP support, there's a keynote
interchange format.
492
00:17:58,151 -->
00:18:01,794
This is in like Keynote is introducing
support for this format and
493
00:18:01,794 -->
00:18:06,396
an open JSON bundle for that MCP and
agents to work with it.
494
00:18:06,396 -->
00:18:11,578
So I'm curious about this. You know I've I
might be speaking at Podfest in January
495
00:18:11,948 -->
00:18:13,369
I'll try some of these features to see,
496
00:18:13,369 -->
00:18:15,250
you know, how it does building a keynote.
497
00:18:15,250 -->
00:18:18,182
But again, this stuff is coming in
November.
498
00:18:18,182 -->
00:18:21,315
And stay tuned. I think it's it's
interesting.
499
00:18:21,315 -->
00:18:25,147
At least they are providing more value to
the Creator Studio subscription,
500
00:18:25,147 -->
00:18:29,644
which if you were on the Adobe side and
you were paying whatever,
501
00:18:29,644 -->
00:18:31,281
a thousand dollars a month for all those
apps,
502
00:18:31,281 -->
00:18:35,134
like I think Apple's making somewhat of a
compelling case here for Creator Studio.
503
00:18:35,134 -->
00:18:40,628
That's pretty good. And now the big story
is the touchscreen MacBook Pro.
504
00:18:41,750 -->
00:18:42,750
Now,
505
00:18:43,672 -->
00:18:45,892
MKBHD, who put published, he was at the
event,
506
00:18:45,892 -->
00:18:47,115
there was this event in Los Angeles,
507
00:18:47,115 -->
00:18:49,317
which was this is just high level,
508
00:18:49,317 -->
00:18:52,670
first of all. Invites went out to this Pro
Intel event in Los Angeles.
509
00:18:52,670 -->
00:18:53,901
It was gonna be hands-on time.
510
00:18:53,901 -->
00:18:55,382
Apple called it an experience,
511
00:18:55,382 -->
00:19:00,987
and there's just been various iterations
of like how is Apple gonna announce
512
00:19:00,987 -->
00:19:03,909
a product? And I feel like they've done it
every way this fall.
513
00:19:03,909 -->
00:19:07,923
You know, the iPhone event was the typical
the invite press to
514
00:19:07,923 -->
00:19:08,923
the Steve Jobs Theater.
515
00:19:09,283 -->
00:19:12,205
They watch the same video, the same live
stream that we watch.
516
00:19:12,205 -->
00:19:15,678
There's creators there and news
journalists that get hands-on time
517
00:19:15,678 -->
00:19:18,890
and then everybody goes home. And then we
had the welcome home event,
518
00:19:18,890 -->
00:19:20,851
where there was an event in New York.
519
00:19:20,851 -->
00:19:24,514
Creators and news get hands-on time with
the devices,
520
00:19:24,514 -->
00:19:29,520
but there was no official of like video or
presentation per se.
521
00:19:29,520 -->
00:19:31,279
There was like the home view ad,
522
00:19:31,279 -->
00:19:32,279
but there was
523
00:19:31,759 -->
00:19:32,759
Mm-hmm.
524
00:19:32,060 -->
00:19:36,333
no explanation of the products aside from
what the people experienced on the ground.
525
00:19:36,685 -->
00:19:39,696
And then we all saw the videos on YouTube
and social media afterwards.
526
00:19:39,696 -->
00:19:42,577
But there was no live stream, it was just
like the home view ad.
527
00:19:42,577 -->
00:19:46,899
Now we have Pro and Tell, and we had two
days of press releases.
528
00:19:46,899 -->
00:19:49,900
iPad mini on Monday, M6 stuff on Tuesday.
529
00:19:49,900 -->
00:19:55,592
I was refreshing the Apple Newsroom every
10 minutes starting at 9 a.m.
530
00:19:55,592 -->
00:19:59,144
because I assumed they would drop the
press release like the two days before.
531
00:19:59,144 -->
00:20:03,065
But they chose to wait until the
experience at one.
532
00:20:03,065 -->
00:20:04,326
But
533
00:20:04,950 -->
00:20:07,852
As I was refreshing all the social media
feeds at one PM Eastern,
534
00:20:07,852 -->
00:20:14,218
it was John Turnus on stage, like doing a
a live presentation,
535
00:20:14,218 -->
00:20:15,379
but just for the people in the room.
536
00:20:15,379 -->
00:20:17,300
And there was no live stream to tune in.
537
00:20:17,300 -->
00:20:22,104
There was no video live stream like the
scary fast event or others.
538
00:20:22,104 -->
00:20:25,997
And so I don't know if they're just trying
like every iteration of announcing
539
00:20:25,997 -->
00:20:28,209
a new product to see what works and what
they like doing,
540
00:20:28,209 -->
00:20:30,061
but it just it was very different.
541
00:20:30,061 -->
00:20:34,144
And then I like the newsroom article
didn't come out right at one PM.
542
00:20:34,572 -->
00:20:38,784
And so I was refreshing the different
social feeds and seeing five second clips
543
00:20:38,864 -->
00:20:44,216
of people taking, you know, video with
their iPhone of the screen that's playing
544
00:20:44,216 -->
00:20:47,958
in the room and seeing like, glowing Apple
logo is back.
545
00:20:47,958 -->
00:20:50,049
That's amazing. And ~ this okay,
546
00:20:50,049 -->
00:20:52,970
it's official touch screen. And I started
seeing the words proLed,
547
00:20:52,970 -->
00:20:54,530
and I didn't know what that meant.
548
00:20:54,530 -->
00:20:57,292
I was like, why are these people tweeting
the word proLed?
549
00:20:57,292 -->
00:21:02,204
And so it was a very interesting choice to
not do a live stream but have quasi
550
00:21:02,204 -->
00:21:03,204
a live event.
551
00:21:03,106 -->
00:21:05,352
But invite people there, I don't know,
552
00:21:05,352 -->
00:21:06,816
maybe they're just testing the waters.
553
00:21:06,816 -->
00:21:08,142
What does that feel like? I mean,
554
00:21:08,142 -->
00:21:09,142
it what are they doing?
555
00:21:08,559 -->
00:21:09,559
Well, this
556
00:21:09,129 -->
00:21:13,090
one felt even more kind of abrupt than
like the duo thing because I like
557
00:21:13,090 -->
00:21:16,031
I was following along and it's like at one
six it was all over.
558
00:21:16,031 -->
00:21:18,922
Like like he John Turnus got up there,
559
00:21:16,642 -->
00:21:18,752
It was over, yeah. Five minute event.
560
00:21:18,922 -->
00:21:21,793
talked for a minute or two, they showed a
quick video thing or something,
561
00:21:21,793 -->
00:21:23,333
and then it was like it was just over.
562
00:21:23,333 -->
00:21:26,424
And then they were and so the real reason
that they bring everyone there
563
00:21:26,424 -->
00:21:27,914
is so that they can have the hands on.
564
00:21:27,914 -->
00:21:33,236
This is not that dissimilar to like the
five iPad Pro event,
565
00:21:33,236 -->
00:21:37,317
the scary fast event. Like that was
although they were just smaller scale.
566
00:21:37,499 -->
00:21:40,531
They're closer to like what the duo or
excuse me the home view event
567
00:21:40,531 -->
00:21:44,154
was because we just would go to New York,
568
00:21:44,154 -->
00:21:47,447
you're in the townhouse, they had like a
short little presentation,
569
00:21:47,447 -->
00:21:51,079
you watched a video, and then you had time
to to interact with the things.
570
00:21:51,079 -->
00:21:52,701
This is just on a larger scale.
571
00:21:52,701 -->
00:21:57,034
I think they did it in LA because it's
they want it to be they want the sort
572
00:21:57,034 -->
00:22:02,018
of vibe and cachet of it being a pro
creative tool type thing,
573
00:22:02,018 -->
00:22:03,609
right? And so they brought it there.
574
00:22:03,609 -->
00:22:07,002
But yeah, I I think it's interesting the
mechanics of it because they also
575
00:22:07,461 -->
00:22:11,291
Also like dropped an IMAC and I don't
think that was anywhere.
576
00:22:11,291 -->
00:22:12,835
Like it wasn't of nowhere to any event
577
00:22:12,525 -->
00:22:13,525
No.
578
00:22:12,835 -->
00:22:14,951
that was there an IMAC. It was just like
yeah,
579
00:22:14,951 -->
00:22:16,074
this one has an six now.
580
00:22:17,218 -->
00:22:22,000
And then also it wasn't just so there was
that at at one PM Eastern,
581
00:22:22,000 -->
00:22:24,441
you know, they do all that, the creators
get hands on time.
582
00:22:24,441 -->
00:22:27,762
And apparently they had just kind of like
a full day with the people that they
583
00:22:27,762 -->
00:22:31,224
invited because I was seeing posts from
like Federico Vittici,
584
00:22:31,224 -->
00:22:36,196
Christopher Lawley, Andrew, Edw ~ the
YouTuber Andrew,
585
00:22:36,196 -->
00:22:39,367
and like they did a concert at night
586
00:22:39,824 -->
00:22:40,824
Mm.
587
00:22:40,427 -->
00:22:44,529
where there was just like a DJ and they
were doing stuff at night.
588
00:22:44,529 -->
00:22:46,730
And like I couldn't tell like
589
00:22:47,178 -->
00:22:50,380
Okay, I guess this is just like an all-day
experience event thing.
590
00:22:50,380 -->
00:22:52,081
So anyway, that was interesting,
591
00:22:52,081 -->
00:22:53,602
just how they've been doing that.
592
00:22:53,602 -->
00:22:58,226
~ so the actual product, it is a MacBook
Pro.
593
00:22:58,226 -->
00:23:03,079
There's not a suffix like Ultra or
anything else.
594
00:23:03,079 -->
00:23:08,673
It is a MacBook Pro, but it is with a Pro
LED XDR display.
595
00:23:08,673 -->
00:23:11,875
And you might be thinking, are you saying
pro OLED?
596
00:23:11,875 -->
00:23:14,297
Are you saying something else?
597
00:23:13,744 -->
00:23:14,744
Pro L E D
598
00:23:14,297 -->
00:23:15,327
Pro
599
00:23:15,327 -->
00:23:16,328
LED? No, it Pro Led.
600
00:23:16,558 -->
00:23:21,282
ProLED. And if you watch Apple's video on
YouTube for this product,
601
00:23:21,282 -->
00:23:23,223
they say it many times in the video.
602
00:23:23,223 -->
00:23:27,026
It is a ProLED XDR display and touch.
603
00:23:27,026 -->
00:23:31,349
That's like the full name. MacBook Pro
with ProLED XDR display and touch.
604
00:23:31,349 -->
00:23:35,172
That is it. It is an M5 Max or M5 Pro.
605
00:23:35,172 -->
00:23:38,595
Like the rumors, we did not get an M6 Pro
or Max chip.
606
00:23:38,595 -->
00:23:42,578
It is all about the display. It now has a
dynamic island.
607
00:23:42,578 -->
00:23:44,960
It has 2000 nits of brightness.
608
00:23:44,960 -->
00:23:46,241
It is a touch screen.
609
00:23:46,445 -->
00:23:49,457
Promotion. You can get it up to 16
terabyte SSD,
610
00:23:49,457 -->
00:23:53,949
128 gigs of memory. It is the first ever
touch screen Mac.
611
00:23:53,949 -->
00:23:58,051
Now, there are a lot of hands-on videos ~
on st on shorts and stuff.
612
00:23:58,051 -->
00:24:00,293
I will link MKBHD's first look.
613
00:24:00,293 -->
00:24:01,914
He has a lot of hands-on time with it,
614
00:24:01,914 -->
00:24:07,837
talks about his experience. It is honestly
wild to see someone touch
615
00:24:07,877 -->
00:24:13,640
a MacBook Pro screen and scroll between
spaces and pinch and zoom on the display.
616
00:24:13,640 -->
00:24:14,741
And
617
00:24:15,117 -->
00:24:19,869
To MKBHD's credit, he started his video
with the Steve Jobs moment saying nobody
618
00:24:19,869 -->
00:24:21,280
wants to touch the screen.
619
00:24:21,402 -->
00:24:22,402
Yeah.
620
00:24:21,880 -->
00:24:23,350
Nobody wants to touch the laptop screen.
621
00:24:23,350 -->
00:24:26,442
So kudos for ~ for the callback.
622
00:24:26,442 -->
00:24:30,393
But they had in in Apple's announcement
video,
623
00:24:30,393 -->
00:24:34,265
they talk about a lot of use cases ish.
624
00:24:34,265 -->
00:24:40,177
You know, they show people in kind of like
design and CAD type apps pinching
625
00:24:40,177 -->
00:24:43,849
and zooming on different aspects with
their finger on the screen.
626
00:24:44,437 -->
00:24:46,068
And there was a a lot of the demos,
627
00:24:46,068 -->
00:24:49,280
and even there's a video of John Turnus on
the Hello Apple Instagram account
628
00:24:49,640 -->
00:24:56,023
of him like stroking the wallpaper that
says Pro and it like plays harp sounds.
629
00:24:56,023 -->
00:25:02,087
so you can do that. One use case that I've
seen mentioned several times
630
00:25:02,087 -->
00:25:07,049
on social media is developers who are
making an iPhone or iPad app
631
00:25:07,370 -->
00:25:13,323
can now use the touch, like see what it is
like to interact with the app via touch.
632
00:25:13,778 -->
00:25:15,698
on the device they're developing it,
633
00:25:15,698 -->
00:25:18,079
which that was the first time where I was
like,
634
00:25:18,079 -->
00:25:22,460
okay, that that makes sense. Like I could
see why that would be beneficial.
635
00:25:22,460 -->
00:25:27,141
There's a lot of demos of music apps like
Logic Pro dragging the
636
00:25:27,141 -->
00:25:32,813
EQ around or playing a literal digital
piano on the screen.
637
00:25:32,813 -->
00:25:36,644
And it you can do like 10 plus touch input
support.
638
00:25:36,644 -->
00:25:39,114
So you can play like full chords on this
piano.
639
00:25:39,114 -->
00:25:42,505
~ I'll also link Dave to D's video.
640
00:25:43,381 -->
00:25:45,502
he was there at the event and he was like,
641
00:25:45,502 -->
00:25:49,223
Yeah, you know, my arms kind of got tired
after a while because I was
642
00:25:49,543 -->
00:25:51,723
I was holding it up to do this thing,
643
00:25:51,723 -->
00:25:53,944
touching this screen, and you know,
644
00:25:53,944 -->
00:25:56,405
that's you're not gonna do that forever.
645
00:25:56,405 -->
00:25:57,405
You know, that if you're gonna
646
00:25:56,826 -->
00:25:57,826
Right.
647
00:25:57,245 -->
00:25:59,065
be working for hours and hours on a
laptop,
648
00:25:59,065 -->
00:26:00,546
that's just not how you're gonna do it.
649
00:26:00,546 -->
00:26:07,308
Also, as you see the hands-on videos of
this touch screen MacBook Pro again,
650
00:26:07,308 -->
00:26:09,628
I'll link Dave T D's video. This is what
this is his.
651
00:26:09,628 -->
00:26:11,789
If you ever see a screen off
652
00:26:12,509 -->
00:26:14,730
after being touched in this hands on area,
653
00:26:14,730 -->
00:26:17,651
it is a disaster. As you would expect.
654
00:26:17,651 -->
00:26:20,362
Like you there's gonna be fingerprints and
smudges all over
655
00:26:20,362 -->
00:26:21,653
it because you're touching the screen.
656
00:26:21,653 -->
00:26:24,994
And if you have a nanotexture product from
Apple,
657
00:26:24,994 -->
00:26:28,376
you might know like getting fingerprints
off the nanotexture,
658
00:26:28,376 -->
00:26:30,636
not as easy as getting it off the glossy
screen.
659
00:26:30,636 -->
00:26:34,148
And that this is a big touch surface area
to get fingerprints on.
660
00:26:34,148 -->
00:26:38,500
So th listen, this is like watershed
moment.
661
00:26:38,500 -->
00:26:41,461
This is the first touch screen Mac ever.
662
00:26:41,857 -->
00:26:44,279
Which is wild. So we have to see what
developers do with it.
663
00:26:44,279 -->
00:26:49,084
I'm very curious how Mac OS will be on a
touch screen interface.
664
00:26:49,084 -->
00:26:52,248
You know, there's very small touch targets
in the menu bar.
665
00:26:52,248 -->
00:26:54,463
Are you gonna be but you're probably not
gonna be doing that.
666
00:26:54,463 -->
00:26:56,582
But anyway, anyway, Jason, you wrote an
article about it.
667
00:26:56,582 -->
00:26:57,582
Tell me your thoughts.
668
00:26:57,358 -->
00:27:01,251
Well, I th I quote an article almost
entirely about the fact that they brought
back
669
00:27:01,251 -->
00:27:03,493
the glowy logo, which is my favorite
thing.
670
00:27:02,848 -->
00:27:04,278
the glowy logo, yes. And it
671
00:27:03,493 -->
00:27:04,493
Yeah, this is
672
00:27:04,334 -->
00:27:05,835
my favorite thing of the whole thing,
673
00:27:05,835 -->
00:27:08,257
is that they were like 'cause it's been
ten years since they've sold
674
00:27:08,257 -->
00:27:10,179
a MacBook Pro with the Glow logo.
675
00:27:10,179 -->
00:27:11,179
They think that the
676
00:27:10,657 -->
00:27:11,657
Yes.
677
00:27:11,120 -->
00:27:14,733
MacBook Air continued to like twenty
eighteen with the Glow logo on it.
678
00:27:14,733 -->
00:27:19,677
But the MacBook Pro was done at that point
and they replaced it with
679
00:27:19,677 -->
00:27:21,258
the polished alum or you know,
680
00:27:21,258 -->
00:27:25,131
metal logo or whatever. And I just I like
two things about that.
681
00:27:25,131 -->
00:27:26,131
One
682
00:27:27,055 -->
00:27:31,579
You know, it was a couple of years ago
with the M1 that they brought back like
683
00:27:31,579 -->
00:27:33,861
SD slots and they just like we people
684
00:27:33,132 -->
00:27:34,132
Yeah, yeah.
685
00:27:33,861 -->
00:27:36,033
just let's just make it the best computer
possible.
686
00:27:36,033 -->
00:27:37,735
Let's let's stop
687
00:27:36,418 -->
00:27:37,418
The computer people want.
688
00:27:37,735 -->
00:27:40,328
worrying about this Johnny Ive minimalist,
689
00:27:40,328 -->
00:27:41,919
you know, whatever thing. Let's just
690
00:27:41,794 -->
00:27:42,794
Yes.
691
00:27:41,919 -->
00:27:42,919
give people
692
00:27:42,310 -->
00:27:46,854
what they want. And I do think the thing
about the glow logo in some
693
00:27:46,854 -->
00:27:48,315
of our listeners is like, who cares?
694
00:27:48,315 -->
00:27:50,337
It's whatever. It's just a light on the
back of the thing.
695
00:27:50,337 -->
00:27:51,337
But it is
696
00:27:51,412 -->
00:27:54,373
It is a representative for you don't even
see it when you're choosing the computer,
697
00:27:54,373 -->
00:27:55,373
right? So this is
698
00:27:54,838 -->
00:27:55,838
Right.
699
00:27:55,413 -->
00:28:00,015
but it is one of those details that just
shows how much Apple cares about those
700
00:28:00,555 -->
00:28:01,555
about those
701
00:28:00,674 -->
00:28:01,674
Yes.
702
00:28:01,095 -->
00:28:03,416
types of things that just really delight
their users.
703
00:28:03,416 -->
00:28:08,497
And it also does the thing that does the
exact same thing that the new colors
704
00:28:08,497 -->
00:28:11,398
on an iPhone do, which is it signals to
everyone.
705
00:28:11,398 -->
00:28:16,770
This is the new one. This is the one I
mortgaged my house to buy.
706
00:28:14,066 -->
00:28:15,887
Cause you can yes.
707
00:28:17,168 -->
00:28:21,610
Cause you can only get the glowing Apple
logo on this new ProLED
708
00:28:21,630 -->
00:28:23,651
XDR with touchscreen display Mac.
709
00:28:23,651 -->
00:28:24,651
It
710
00:28:23,737 -->
00:28:24,737
Yes.
711
00:28:24,141 -->
00:28:27,793
is not on the M6 MacBook Pro that came out
the day before this.
712
00:28:27,793 -->
00:28:30,775
It is not on any other MacBook Pro.
713
00:28:30,775 -->
00:28:32,866
And I to the glowing logo point.
714
00:28:32,058 -->
00:28:33,972
And they're still selling the other
MacBook Pros,
715
00:28:32,866 -->
00:28:35,408
100%. Yeah, you can get
716
00:28:33,972 -->
00:28:35,382
right? Yeah.
717
00:28:35,408 -->
00:28:37,319
an M5 Pro MacBook Pro, no touchscreen,
718
00:28:37,319 -->
00:28:38,319
save
719
00:28:37,636 -->
00:28:38,636
Right.
720
00:28:37,999 -->
00:28:41,331
$400. It's a $400 difference if you spec
the same spec.
721
00:28:42,098 -->
00:28:45,004
five Pro or five Max MacBook Pro with and
without touchscreen.
722
00:28:45,004 -->
00:28:46,004
So
723
00:28:45,048 -->
00:28:46,048
I'm gonna
724
00:28:45,318 -->
00:28:47,012
not gonna lie though, four hundred bucks
for that.
725
00:28:47,012 -->
00:28:50,438
I mean, the display on the MacBook Pro is
pretty killer.
726
00:28:50,438 -->
00:28:53,503
But the tandem OLED is like whew.
727
00:28:50,709 -->
00:28:53,970
It's pretty killer. This is even ~
728
00:28:53,970 -->
00:28:55,631
and that's the thing. Like, if you like,
729
00:28:55,631 -->
00:28:57,570
I don't know how much I would use touch
screen.
730
00:28:57,570 -->
00:28:59,173
You know, it doesn't support Apple Pencil.
731
00:28:59,173 -->
00:29:01,694
This is not some kind of flip around
screen,
732
00:29:01,694 -->
00:29:04,755
like a, you know, a think pad where you
can like rotate the screen.
733
00:29:03,903 -->
00:29:05,295
Do not flip it around.
734
00:29:04,755 -->
00:29:05,755
Do not
735
00:29:05,725 -->
00:29:07,696
flip it around. Don't bend it the opposite
way,
736
00:29:07,696 -->
00:29:09,097
like everyone's doing with the iPhone Duo.
737
00:29:09,097 -->
00:29:11,017
Like, this is just for your finger,
738
00:29:11,017 -->
00:29:16,000
not Apple Pencil. You know, it is not
meant to lay flat or become a tablet.
739
00:29:16,000 -->
00:29:19,301
This is just if you want to reach out and
touch your
740
00:29:19,702 -->
00:29:21,343
laptop screen for whatever reason.
741
00:29:21,343 -->
00:29:23,343
But to the glowing Apple logo point,
742
00:29:23,343 -->
00:29:25,924
Apple knows what it's doing. Remember,
743
00:29:25,924 -->
00:29:28,785
John Turnus has been there for twenty-five
plus years.
744
00:29:28,785 -->
00:29:32,867
And when they announced it, or slightly
before,
745
00:29:32,867 -->
00:29:38,329
Turnus's profile picture on X changed to
this,
746
00:29:38,329 -->
00:29:42,331
which is him sitting in front of the new
MacBook Pro with the glowing Apple logo
747
00:29:42,331 -->
00:29:47,072
in front. And I you this may be reading
too far into things,
748
00:29:47,072 -->
00:29:48,453
but I don't think it is. I think
749
00:29:48,925 -->
00:29:55,489
Apple is saying to the people who have
been with Apple for the last two decades:
750
00:29:55,489 -->
00:30:01,453
listen, we hear you, and we know like this
is important to you.
751
00:30:01,453 -->
00:30:05,896
And now the guy in charge, it's important
to him too.
752
00:30:05,896 -->
00:30:09,598
Important enough that we're going to put
it back into our products.
753
00:30:09,598 -->
00:30:13,201
And there is no functionality to a glowing
Apple logo.
754
00:30:13,569 -->
00:30:17,574
There is no improvement on the experience
of ac actually using it because like
755
00:30:17,574 -->
00:30:19,356
you said, it's facing the other way.
756
00:30:19,356 -->
00:30:23,281
But it is something that is important to
Apple users.
757
00:30:23,281 -->
00:30:26,204
It is nostalgic. And I think John Turnus
is saying,
758
00:30:26,204 -->
00:30:30,419
like, yeah, we're gonna bring this back
because we want we want our user base
759
00:30:30,419 -->
00:30:31,871
to know like this is important to us too.
760
00:30:31,871 -->
00:30:33,353
And I think that's cool. I think that's
good.
761
00:30:33,521 -->
00:30:36,003
Yeah, I just the word I just use is it's
delightful.
762
00:30:36,003 -->
00:30:37,003
And that is an
763
00:30:36,364 -->
00:30:37,364
It's delightful.
764
00:30:36,923 -->
00:30:41,666
important part of a product. It is one
that you don't think about until
765
00:30:41,666 -->
00:30:45,289
you realize like, ~ this is not as much
fun to use.
766
00:30:45,289 -->
00:30:50,503
And then you and it I mean it is kind of
like the this is this some
767
00:30:50,503 -->
00:30:52,914
of you may disagree, but like it's like
when you put on the Vision
768
00:30:52,914 -->
00:30:56,637
Pro and instantly you can see around you.
769
00:30:56,637 -->
00:30:59,619
You can't use anything yet. But they
770
00:30:57,099 -->
00:30:59,431
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right,
771
00:30:59,431 -->
00:31:00,431
right.
772
00:30:59,619 -->
00:31:02,221
thought about the fact that if we're gonna
cover someone's face
773
00:31:02,477 -->
00:31:05,010
You gotta see. Yeah, yeah.
774
00:31:02,873 -->
00:31:04,326
You should be able to see immediately,
775
00:31:04,326 -->
00:31:05,326
right? So like all
776
00:31:05,208 -->
00:31:08,886
of the amount of engineering that went
into making sure that that happened first,
777
00:31:08,886 -->
00:31:11,452
unless it's dead and then it takes four
weeks to charge,
778
00:31:11,452 -->
00:31:12,644
but that's a totally different story.
779
00:31:12,644 -->
00:31:13,656
But right.
780
00:31:13,419 -->
00:31:14,419
Would you
781
00:31:13,790 -->
00:31:18,607
s would you say, Jason, that a glowing
Apple logo on the back of a MacBook
782
00:31:18,607 -->
00:31:20,961
Pro might be whimsical?
783
00:31:22,681 -->
00:31:23,813
I would use the word delightful,
784
00:31:23,813 -->
00:31:26,106
but I could potentially give you
whimsical.
785
00:31:26,106 -->
00:31:28,199
I mean, I I'm I'm
786
00:31:26,669 -->
00:31:28,114
Okay. I'm just I'm just throwing that out
there.
787
00:31:28,199 -->
00:31:31,974
not anti whimsy. I'm I definitely think
it's a delightful thing,
788
00:31:31,974 -->
00:31:34,107
right? Because the only thing that take
okay.
789
00:31:32,687 -->
00:31:34,139
Yeah. I
790
00:31:34,139 -->
00:31:36,151
was dis I was designing that t-shirt in
real time.
791
00:31:36,151 -->
00:31:39,206
I'm not anti-wimsy. I'm gonna try and lay
that I'm gonna try and lay that out.
792
00:31:38,238 -->
00:31:39,349
It's it's a hundred
793
00:31:39,349 -->
00:31:43,842
percent true. But the only thing holding
it back from being whimsical is
794
00:31:43,842 -->
00:31:46,813
it is a thing you don't see when you're
using
795
00:31:45,782 -->
00:31:46,782
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
796
00:31:46,813 -->
00:31:49,885
the computer. If it was somehow a element
that you do see,
797
00:31:49,885 -->
00:31:54,548
like I think some of the I think some of
the interactions that they built into
macOS
798
00:31:55,208 -->
00:31:56,469
are going to be a little bit whimsical.
799
00:31:56,894 -->
00:32:00,414
Yes. I think people are going to drag down
to refresh a Safari page
800
00:32:00,615 -->
00:32:02,580
if they have this computer just for the
heck of it.
801
00:32:02,757 -->
00:32:05,639
And then they're gonna wonder why all the
pixels in the middle of their screen start
802
00:32:05,639 -->
00:32:08,400
to go bad after a year and a half of just
doing this.
803
00:32:07,838 -->
00:32:08,838
No, I think
804
00:32:08,988 -->
00:32:13,150
Listen, I spec'd out the MacBook Pro with
touch with ProLED.
805
00:32:13,150 -->
00:32:14,510
Hold on, let me try that again.
806
00:32:14,510 -->
00:32:19,332
I spec'd out the MacBook Pro with ProLED
XDR display with touchscreen support.
807
00:32:19,332 -->
00:32:23,774
~ the one that I would want is like forty
three hundred dollars.
808
00:32:23,774 -->
00:32:24,814
And I said
809
00:32:25,147 -->
00:32:26,147
That's not that bad.
810
00:32:28,365 -->
00:32:29,365
No no no. I just
811
00:32:29,276 -->
00:32:31,899
spec'd out a fourteen inch that I
812
00:32:31,563 -->
00:32:32,563
Yeah.
813
00:32:31,899 -->
00:32:34,091
would want and it was seventy one hundred
dollars.
814
00:32:34,091 -->
00:32:36,714
Well, it's got a hundred
815
00:32:34,526 -->
00:32:36,707
What are you doing? You could try to run
local AI?
816
00:32:36,714 -->
00:32:38,816
and it's got a hundred and twenty eight
gigs of memory,
817
00:32:38,816 -->
00:32:39,816
yes.
818
00:32:38,888 -->
00:32:39,888
No,
819
00:32:39,268 -->
00:32:41,079
see that I was trying to be reasonable,
820
00:32:41,079 -->
00:32:43,359
okay? I was trying to let's just do it.
821
00:32:43,359 -->
00:32:44,951
Let's just do it for fun. Let's just do it
real quick.
822
00:32:43,793 -->
00:32:45,502
So you want s you want sixteen?
823
00:32:44,951 -->
00:32:47,171
No, no, no, no, no. Here's here's
824
00:32:45,502 -->
00:32:47,452
Sixty four, I mean?
825
00:32:47,532 -->
00:32:48,852
let's do this. Let's just do this
together.
826
00:32:48,852 -->
00:32:51,150
Let's do this all together. We're the here
with our audience.
827
00:32:51,150 -->
00:32:52,374
I would here's the one I would do,
828
00:32:52,374 -->
00:32:56,535
Jason. I would do a 14 inch. I would do
silver because I'm like that.
829
00:32:56,535 -->
00:32:59,056
I would get the nanotexture glass.
830
00:32:59,056 -->
00:33:01,447
I'm a believer now. After using it on my
iPad
831
00:33:00,663 -->
00:33:01,663
Absolutely.
832
00:33:01,447 -->
00:33:07,400
Pro, I'm a believer. I would get I would
get the M5 Pro because
833
00:33:07,848 -->
00:33:10,321
I already ha I have an M4 Max Max Studio.
834
00:33:10,321 -->
00:33:11,321
I'm not trying to
835
00:33:10,563 -->
00:33:11,563
That's true.
836
00:33:11,353 -->
00:33:12,614
but I wouldn't get the bin version.
837
00:33:12,614 -->
00:33:15,488
I would pay the two hundred dollars to get
the eighteen core CPU
838
00:33:15,488 -->
00:33:20,705
and twenty core GPU. I wouldn't get
twenty-four gigs of unified memory.
839
00:33:20,705 -->
00:33:22,768
I would get at least forty-eight.
840
00:33:23,675 -->
00:33:25,872
That's true. This isn't gonna be your main
machine.
841
00:33:25,965 -->
00:33:27,715
It's not my main machine, but I would like
some.
842
00:33:27,715 -->
00:33:30,166
And I I usually go one terabyte,
843
00:33:30,166 -->
00:33:32,567
but I would go two terabytes for this
because I want,
844
00:33:32,567 -->
00:33:34,427
you know, hopefully some longevity.
845
00:33:34,427 -->
00:33:37,928
So I'm at $4,300.
846
00:33:37,928 -->
00:33:42,108
Now I tried, I saw how much I would get
for my MacBook Air,
847
00:33:42,108 -->
00:33:44,290
and it just wasn't enough. It wasn't
enough.
848
00:33:44,290 -->
00:33:47,750
But I would because here's the other thing
we haven't talked about yet.
849
00:33:47,750 -->
00:33:52,412
This is thinner and lighter than the
MacBook Pro has been previously.
850
00:33:52,412 -->
00:33:53,592
It's not a lot.
851
00:33:54,100 -->
00:33:55,801
It's like half a pound lighter,
852
00:33:55,801 -->
00:33:58,923
but a lot of people who were there at the
hands-on said,
853
00:33:58,923 -->
00:34:03,046
like, you feel the difference compared to
a typical MacBook Pro.
854
00:34:03,046 -->
00:34:06,739
And that was honestly one of the more
interesting things.
855
00:34:06,739 -->
00:34:12,153
Like to have this incredible display in a
lighter laptop,
856
00:34:12,153 -->
00:34:17,537
because I love my MacBook Air for how thin
and light it is and how easy
857
00:34:17,537 -->
00:34:19,058
it is to just carry everywhere.
858
00:34:19,058 -->
00:34:21,720
And I've had a MacBook Pro.
859
00:34:22,186 -->
00:34:23,526
I think the last one I had, you know,
860
00:34:23,526 -->
00:34:25,799
I had the M5 MacBook Pro review unit,
861
00:34:25,799 -->
00:34:28,181
and it was just too big and chunky.
862
00:34:28,181 -->
00:34:29,722
I just didn't want to take it places.
863
00:34:29,722 -->
00:34:31,704
And I don't feel that way with MacBook
Air.
864
00:34:31,704 -->
00:34:34,366
And so I am curious. Maybe I'll get a
review unit.
865
00:34:34,366 -->
00:34:41,312
Who knows? But if this one is light enough
and thin enough to cross that barrier
866
00:34:41,312 -->
00:34:42,863
and say, no, I'll take this with me.
867
00:34:42,863 -->
00:34:44,354
Like I I want to take this with me.
868
00:34:44,354 -->
00:34:47,296
And maybe the display is good enough where
it's like,
869
00:34:47,296 -->
00:34:48,938
I definitely want this with me.
870
00:34:48,938 -->
00:34:51,520
Because when I go outside and I work on my
MacBook Air.
871
00:34:52,042 -->
00:34:53,042
I
872
00:34:52,153 -->
00:34:53,935
have to crank that brightness to a hundred
percent and even then it's
873
00:34:53,935 -->
00:34:54,935
not brightened.
874
00:34:54,703 -->
00:34:57,518
I mean, to be fair, the current MacBook
Pro would solve that problem for you.
875
00:34:57,518 -->
00:34:58,540
The current MacBook
876
00:34:58,276 -->
00:34:59,276
I know.
877
00:34:58,540 -->
00:35:00,965
Pro has the second best display Apple's
ever made.
878
00:35:01,718 -->
00:35:04,626
But it's not a proLED XDR display with
touchscreen Mac.
879
00:35:04,345 -->
00:35:05,345
I understand,
880
00:35:04,955 -->
00:35:08,406
but your argument can't be that that are
that it might be a good enough display
881
00:35:08,406 -->
00:35:12,618
to want to take with me because the
current MacBook Pros display is amazing.
882
00:35:12,618 -->
00:35:16,509
It's not it right, like we all agree the
best display they've ever made
883
00:35:16,509 -->
00:35:19,120
is the iPad Pro, right? The
884
00:35:17,438 -->
00:35:19,059
iPad Pro. Tandem OLED.
885
00:35:19,260 -->
00:35:21,231
four and five iPad pros have the
tandemola.
886
00:35:21,231 -->
00:35:23,471
That's by far the best thing they've
display they've ever made.
887
00:35:23,471 -->
00:35:26,222
I think the s I've never used a studio
display XDR,
888
00:35:26,222 -->
00:35:28,003
so I can't say for s I can't compare it to
that.
889
00:35:27,370 -->
00:35:28,370
Looking at it right now.
890
00:35:28,143 -->
00:35:29,143
Yep.
891
00:35:28,453 -->
00:35:32,508
But I think the MacBook Pro display is the
next best one that they've ever made.
892
00:35:32,508 -->
00:35:34,490
And then probably the studio display X Dr.
893
00:35:34,490 -->
00:35:36,501
and then maybe the X the old X Dr.
894
00:35:36,501 -->
00:35:38,815
I don't know. I don't know the I d I don't
care after that.
895
00:35:37,047 -->
00:35:40,159
Maybe. I know,
896
00:35:38,815 -->
00:35:41,493
Like I I can do top two, that's it.
897
00:35:40,159 -->
00:35:41,857
I know. Yeah, yeah.
898
00:35:42,061 -->
00:35:45,243
And the fr like if I was a laptop guy,
899
00:35:45,243 -->
00:35:50,638
I would consider this. And I could
probably get great trading value
900
00:35:50,638 -->
00:35:53,510
for my Mac Studio here because I got eight
terabytes in this thing.
901
00:35:53,510 -->
00:35:57,443
And I saw people getting wild trade in
values if they had a four terabyte
902
00:35:57,443 -->
00:36:00,506
or higher Mac. I don't even want I don't
no,
903
00:36:00,506 -->
00:36:03,738
I do want to know. I do I do actually
904
00:36:00,996 -->
00:36:02,384
They're gonna just strip it for parts.
905
00:36:03,738 -->
00:36:05,910
want to know what I would get for this Mac
Studio.
906
00:36:06,377 -->
00:36:07,377
As a trade in. I
907
00:36:06,936 -->
00:36:07,936
He's gonna
908
00:36:07,298 -->
00:36:08,715
buy a MacBook Pro Live on the air,
909
00:36:08,715 -->
00:36:09,715
folks.
910
00:36:09,554 -->
00:36:13,457
No spoilers, you should watch Mac Power
Users this Sunday because I
911
00:36:13,457 -->
00:36:17,090
do buy something on the air. If I get
Jason,
912
00:36:17,090 -->
00:36:21,853
the Apple trade in value for my current
913
00:36:22,074 -->
00:36:28,178
Mac Studio would cover the cost of this
new MacBook Pro.
914
00:36:28,178 -->
00:36:30,500
I would get forty eight hundred dollars.
915
00:36:30,661 -->
00:36:31,661
Mm.
916
00:36:32,970 -->
00:36:39,028
Seeing the zero dollars after trade in
message on the top of this display like
Apple
917
00:36:39,028 -->
00:36:40,028
knows what they're doing.
918
00:36:39,884 -->
00:36:41,158
Yeah. Well, also
919
00:36:41,158 -->
00:36:43,024
that's like I don't know what you paid for
that new,
920
00:36:43,024 -->
00:36:44,940
but probably twelve hundred dollars more
than that.
921
00:36:45,820 -->
00:36:47,529
A few thousand. It was a few thousand
more.
922
00:36:47,054 -->
00:36:48,527
Yeah. Yeah. So it's
923
00:36:47,529 -->
00:36:48,806
I think it was around seven or eight
thousand.
924
00:36:48,928 -->
00:36:53,879
it's kinda tough to like s to take so w to
take like I paid eight thousand dollars
925
00:36:52,084 -->
00:36:53,744
Yeah. It would have hit.
926
00:36:53,879 -->
00:36:58,018
and now I got a MacBook Pro and three
hundred dollars or whatever.
927
00:36:57,428 -->
00:36:58,428
I'm not trading it
928
00:36:58,108 -->
00:37:02,050
in. I'm not trading it in because i my
prediction machine I need all the ports.
929
00:37:02,050 -->
00:37:04,271
And I'm not gonna use a dock, you know.
930
00:37:04,271 -->
00:37:08,213
David Sparks, he's he's doing the Caldigit
dock with his MacBook Pro
931
00:37:08,213 -->
00:37:11,335
and he's you know, the thing is like
cooking eggs while he's recording.
932
00:37:11,335 -->
00:37:12,996
The dock. The dock itself.
933
00:37:12,580 -->
00:37:13,580
Doc,
934
00:37:13,143 -->
00:37:14,340
I got a Thunderbolt one right.
935
00:37:14,340 -->
00:37:16,185
I mean a O W C Thunderbolt one.
936
00:37:16,776 -->
00:37:19,533
I don't know. The one he got it gets real
hot when he's just he's got
937
00:37:19,320 -->
00:37:20,320
It's it's it
938
00:37:19,533 -->
00:37:20,533
so much stuff plugged in.
939
00:37:20,312 -->
00:37:21,888
could probably keep my cup of coffee warm,
940
00:37:21,888 -->
00:37:22,888
but it's not that warm.
941
00:37:23,014 -->
00:37:25,065
Yeah. So anyway, no, I'm not doing it,
942
00:37:25,065 -->
00:37:26,735
but maybe I'll get a review. Anyway,
943
00:37:26,735 -->
00:37:27,775
that's the touchscreen macro pro.
944
00:37:27,775 -->
00:37:29,446
We'll see once the initial reviews come
out.
945
00:37:29,446 -->
00:37:32,286
Read Jason's article. I'm c listen,
946
00:37:32,286 -->
00:37:37,328
it's a new era. Like we are now in a world
where we have touch screen max,
947
00:37:37,328 -->
00:37:39,028
and that has not been the case until now,
948
00:37:39,028 -->
00:37:41,028
which is wild. Touch screen max.
949
00:37:41,028 -->
00:37:42,724
And last thing before we take a break,
950
00:37:42,724 -->
00:37:44,229
because we have to talk about iPhone Duo.
951
00:37:44,229 -->
00:37:45,870
I want to give a quasi review.
952
00:37:45,870 -->
00:37:48,270
You can there's a new Mac Studio out,
953
00:37:48,270 -->
00:37:49,551
Jason. I don't know if you saw this.
954
00:37:50,878 -->
00:37:51,878
is this the
955
00:37:51,350 -->
00:37:54,574
quad max studio that you can daisy chain
together?
956
00:37:54,574 -->
00:37:55,586
And did you buy four
957
00:37:54,984 -->
00:37:55,984
You can
958
00:37:55,586 -->
00:37:56,586
of these, Steven?
959
00:37:57,545 -->
00:37:59,676
Listen, you can get a Mac Studio.
960
00:37:59,676 -->
00:38:03,928
One configuration has now been ~ is now
available that wasn't before,
961
00:38:03,928 -->
00:38:07,759
which is the 512 gigabytes of unified
memory on the new,
962
00:38:07,759 -->
00:38:10,020
on the M5 Max or M5 Ultra Max Studio.
963
00:38:10,020 -->
00:38:16,203
If you want to upgrade from the 96
gigabytes of memory that it comes with
964
00:38:16,363 -->
00:38:22,886
to the 512 gigabytes, it is a $15,500
upcharge.
965
00:38:22,886 -->
00:38:26,087
And then if you want to just go all out.
966
00:38:26,387 -->
00:38:30,895
and get the 16 terabyte SSD, no trade-in.
967
00:38:30,895 -->
00:38:35,142
It is a cool 30 grand,
968
00:38:35,142 -->
00:38:37,967
$30,000 computer, Jason.
969
00:38:38,161 -->
00:38:39,762
I mean that's a pretty amazing computer
though,
970
00:38:39,762 -->
00:38:40,762
let's be honest.
971
00:38:41,607 -->
00:38:45,947
I'm not mad about it. Like if I like Daisy
Chain four of those and
972
00:38:45,947 -->
00:38:51,650
you get two terabytes of unified memory to
run whatever model on device.
973
00:38:52,091 -->
00:38:54,836
But even just one of them, like I don't
have thirty thousand
974
00:38:54,492 -->
00:38:55,492
yeah.
975
00:38:54,836 -->
00:39:00,405
dollars for this. But I actually am really
glad that Apple is making that computer.
976
00:39:00,405 -->
00:39:03,771
They should have just made that
configuration and called it Mac Pro.
977
00:39:05,045 -->
00:39:07,095
That and that is what it is. Like this
978
00:39:06,693 -->
00:39:07,693
Yeah.
979
00:39:07,095 -->
00:39:08,955
is this is the Mac Pro of today.
980
00:39:08,997 -->
00:39:10,918
This is the most pro thing they've ever
made.
981
00:39:10,918 -->
00:39:14,259
The most like excessively pro thing that
they've ever made.
982
00:39:11,802 -->
00:39:14,845
yeah. Yes,
983
00:39:14,259 -->
00:39:15,259
Right.
984
00:39:14,845 -->
00:39:15,845
yes.
985
00:39:15,320 -->
00:39:19,951
And I think the only thing that's a
drawback to it is y all expansion
986
00:39:19,951 -->
00:39:21,442
is via Thunderbolt. But guess what?
987
00:39:21,442 -->
00:39:24,303
Thunderbolt's pretty fast. It's more
988
00:39:23,347 -->
00:39:24,347
Real fast.
989
00:39:24,303 -->
00:39:28,445
than fast enough for almost anything you
might want to use.
990
00:39:28,087 -->
00:39:29,087
That's right.
991
00:39:28,658 -->
00:39:31,443
That's right. I'm so glad this computer
exists.
992
00:39:31,443 -->
00:39:35,617
I am not I will never buy this because
it's crazy.
993
00:39:34,467 -->
00:39:36,278
I would review it. If you send me one,
994
00:39:35,617 -->
00:39:37,143
Hundred percent.
995
00:39:36,278 -->
00:39:37,278
I'll I don't
996
00:39:37,299 -->
00:39:40,890
I unfortunately don't do anything worthy
of reviewing it,
997
00:39:40,890 -->
00:39:44,452
but I have been doing an awful lot of
local L L stuff,
998
00:39:43,872 -->
00:39:47,178
Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying.
999
00:39:44,452 -->
00:39:47,704
including local agent stuff that this
would be perfect for.
1000
00:39:47,178 -->
00:39:48,216
That's what
1001
00:39:48,216 -->
00:39:50,724
I'm saying. That Llama local model in LM
Studio,
1002
00:39:50,724 -->
00:39:54,330
whatever that new one that Turnus and Zuck
were tweeting about back and forth,
1003
00:39:54,330 -->
00:39:55,330
I'll run it.
1004
00:39:54,540 -->
00:39:55,540
No, you need actu
1005
00:39:55,244 -->
00:39:56,711
you need at least two of these for that.
1006
00:39:57,600 -->
00:39:59,072
Send two Apple. I'm just saying.
1007
00:39:59,072 -->
00:40:01,536
I will do it. I'll do it. I'll run LM
Studio.
1008
00:40:01,536 -->
00:40:04,329
I will vibe code another dozen apps.
1009
00:40:04,329 -->
00:40:05,920
We look.
1010
00:40:05,072 -->
00:40:06,072
Can you can you just
1011
00:40:05,953 -->
00:40:10,046
imagine? Wouldn't you really want to just
pull the FedEx guy aside and be like,
1012
00:40:10,046 -->
00:40:11,417
Do you know what's in that box?
1013
00:40:11,417 -->
00:40:17,732
Do you have any idea? What this thing came
straight from Buckingham Palace.
1014
00:40:12,320 -->
00:40:15,647
This box I this box.
1015
00:40:17,732 -->
00:40:18,732
They're
1016
00:40:18,142 -->
00:40:20,084
for the crown jewels are in this box.
1017
00:40:20,128 -->
00:40:22,571
This box cost more than my college
tuition.
1018
00:40:22,571 -->
00:40:26,395
All four years. I
1019
00:40:23,873 -->
00:40:25,590
Cost more than that truck you're driving
there,
1020
00:40:25,590 -->
00:40:26,590
buddy.
1021
00:40:26,715 -->
00:40:31,541
for sure. Can I say of vibe coding apps?
1022
00:40:31,541 -->
00:40:34,334
I'm now up to twelve. I'm I'm up to twelve
apps now.
1023
00:40:33,868 -->
00:40:34,868
I I appreciate
1024
00:40:34,759 -->
00:40:37,793
that because I'm pretty sure that when I
mentioned you in your apps I said about
1025
00:40:37,793 -->
00:40:39,936
a dozen. So I'm glad you've reached that
level.
1026
00:40:39,700 -->
00:40:40,700
Is now
1027
00:40:40,030 -->
00:40:42,282
up to a dozen. I'll link my page down in
the show notes,
1028
00:40:42,282 -->
00:40:44,423
but 12 apps, many of them are in the app
store.
1029
00:40:44,423 -->
00:40:49,626
A couple n brand new ones like Lookout and
Shortcuts menu is now in the app store.
1030
00:40:49,626 -->
00:40:50,626
Anyway, just
1031
00:40:49,806 -->
00:40:50,830
I'm so far behind.
1032
00:40:51,887 -->
00:40:53,368
listen, this is why here's what you do.
1033
00:40:53,368 -->
00:40:55,159
And we're gonna get to this in personal
tech,
1034
00:40:55,159 -->
00:40:57,601
what Claude has done for me. Yeah,
1035
00:40:55,384 -->
00:40:57,604
Sponsored by Beard Fm dot app.
1036
00:40:57,601 -->
00:40:58,601
right,
1037
00:40:57,761 -->
00:41:00,562
exactly. ~ you can go to the updates page
where I just list all
1038
00:41:00,562 -->
00:41:01,853
the updates across all the apps,
1039
00:41:01,853 -->
00:41:04,445
and there's even an RSS feed that you can
subscribe to and just get
1040
00:41:04,445 -->
00:41:06,358
all the updates via RSS. So look at that.
1041
00:41:07,034 -->
00:41:10,126
Yeah, one okay, Steven. Put that back up
for a second.
1042
00:41:08,852 -->
00:41:12,585
~ yeah, okay, I'll sorry. Okay,
1043
00:41:10,126 -->
00:41:12,967
This is not a criticism. The way
1044
00:41:12,585 -->
00:41:13,585
sure.
1045
00:41:12,967 -->
00:41:15,969
you can tell and Steven has no problem
admitting that this is true.
1046
00:41:15,969 -->
00:41:21,392
The way you can tell that this is vibe
coded is the fact that there's a
1047
00:41:21,392 -->
00:41:25,834
su there's a little ~ eyebrow header above
latest updates that says every app.
1048
00:41:25,834 -->
00:41:28,535
Literally that's the way you know that
Claude did this.
1049
00:41:26,214 -->
00:41:29,416
yeah yeah yeah. you I mean if you go
1050
00:41:29,416 -->
00:41:34,669
to my homepage, every rounded rec call out
box for every app where it
1051
00:41:34,669 -->
00:41:37,761
has like the slightly tinted background
and the very thin outline,
1052
00:41:37,761 -->
00:41:40,392
that's all clawed. But like yeah.
1053
00:41:38,488 -->
00:41:40,485
Yeah, sure. I know, but that every app
1054
00:41:40,485 -->
00:41:43,787
thing is a hundred percent the way you
know that that thing was vibe coded.
1055
00:41:43,646 -->
00:41:44,646
Yeah.
1056
00:41:43,906 -->
00:41:47,377
Well, and that's why my literal homepage
says vibe coded apps.
1057
00:41:47,377 -->
00:41:48,907
The in the biggest
1058
00:41:47,470 -->
00:41:48,654
Yep, absolutely.
1059
00:41:48,907 -->
00:41:52,418
text possible. One last thing I wanted to
mention about the the MacBook Pro.
1060
00:41:52,418 -->
00:41:55,859
You mentioned in our pre-show this
interview with Wired,
1061
00:41:55,859 -->
00:41:58,610
which I will link in Apple News because we
have News Plus,
1062
00:41:58,610 -->
00:41:59,961
you can actually read the whole interview.
1063
00:41:59,961 -->
00:42:02,971
I'll also link the nine to five Mac
article in the show notes if you want
1064
00:42:02,971 -->
00:42:07,153
to read some poll quotes. But Wired must
have got early access because they talked
1065
00:42:07,153 -->
00:42:11,144
to Joswiak, Turnus, and Suruji about the
new touchscreen MacBook Pro.
1066
00:42:11,144 -->
00:42:12,144
And there was one point
1067
00:42:12,524 -->
00:42:13,624
I thought it really interesting.
1068
00:42:13,624 -->
00:42:17,255
This was ~ Jaws, Greg Jaws React.
1069
00:42:17,255 -->
00:42:18,926
This is a quote attributed to him.
1070
00:42:18,926 -->
00:42:22,687
Most pros own an iPad, and almost every
pro owns an iPhone.
1071
00:42:22,687 -->
00:42:24,587
So this is something that they're natural
with.
1072
00:42:24,587 -->
00:42:26,168
Talking about touch on the new MacBook
Pro.
1073
00:42:26,168 -->
00:42:30,269
And there's a quote: There's a generation
of young creators and young people using
1074
00:42:30,269 -->
00:42:32,890
our MacBook Pros that expect to touch.
1075
00:42:32,890 -->
00:42:36,251
And I do think, I think about my own kids,
1076
00:42:36,251 -->
00:42:40,192
who my oldest just got his first MacBook
Pro earlier this year.
1077
00:42:40,980 -->
00:42:43,422
His entire life has been touchscreen
devices.
1078
00:42:43,422 -->
00:42:48,643
iPad, iPhone. And the other day I was
thinking about,
1079
00:42:48,643 -->
00:42:50,737
you know, what devices are around this
house?
1080
00:42:50,737 -->
00:42:56,672
What do I want to trade in? And my M4 iPad
Pro I had handed down to
1081
00:42:56,672 -->
00:43:02,596
him to use for whatever. And he uses Logic
Pro on that iPad.
1082
00:43:02,596 -->
00:43:06,999
And he makes beats and he makes ~ you know
tracks and all of that.
1083
00:43:06,999 -->
00:43:08,160
And
1084
00:43:08,778 -->
00:43:10,579
I asked him the other day because he's had
it for about a year and now
1085
00:43:10,579 -->
00:43:14,420
he has a MacBook Pro. I said, Do you still
use the iPad Pro?
1086
00:43:14,420 -->
00:43:15,571
Like, do even need that anymore?
1087
00:43:15,571 -->
00:43:20,413
And he said, Yeah, I use Logic Pro on it
because I like it better on the iPad Pro.
1088
00:43:20,413 -->
00:43:22,274
Like it does, it's different than it is on
the Mac.
1089
00:43:22,274 -->
00:43:25,315
And I think that quote, again,
1090
00:43:25,315 -->
00:43:27,076
talking about the glowing Apple logo,
1091
00:43:27,076 -->
00:43:32,558
seeing that quote from Jaws, I think Apple
is paying more attention
1092
00:43:32,558 -->
00:43:35,359
to its user base, trying to understand its
user base.
1093
00:43:35,359 -->
00:43:36,650
And I do think that.
1094
00:43:36,892 -->
00:43:40,395
word about the next generation of creators
and young professionals,
1095
00:43:40,395 -->
00:43:46,150
they have grown up with iPad as the main
computing device for many years.
1096
00:43:46,150 -->
00:43:49,723
And there's kids today for like their main
computing device or device they
1097
00:43:49,723 -->
00:43:54,687
use all the time is an iPad. And so it
does make a lot of sense that when those
kids
1098
00:43:54,747 -->
00:43:58,390
are ready to do creator type work or
whatever,
1099
00:43:58,390 -->
00:44:02,633
that the device they use has a touch
screen like they have used for
1100
00:44:02,633 -->
00:44:03,795
the their entire lives.
1101
00:44:04,265 -->
00:44:07,888
And so I think yes, not only is it gonna
do cool things and music apps and,
1102
00:44:07,888 -->
00:44:09,379
you know, touch screen Macs the first
time,
1103
00:44:09,379 -->
00:44:13,153
but I think it's it is also forward
looking to say like this is what
1104
00:44:13,153 -->
00:44:15,575
the next generation of creators are going
to use and we wanna make
1105
00:44:15,575 -->
00:44:18,077
the device that they they want that they
want to use.
1106
00:44:18,077 -->
00:44:19,077
So
1107
00:44:18,149 -->
00:44:19,149
Yeah.
1108
00:44:18,609 -->
00:44:23,083
Does it seem weird though? Like it does
feel a little bit uncharacteristic
1109
00:44:23,083 -->
00:44:28,116
of Apple that there are now s kind of a
lot of decisions you have to make
1110
00:44:28,116 -->
00:44:29,897
if you're gonna buy a MacBook Pro because
you're like,
1111
00:44:29,897 -->
00:44:32,900
do you just buy the six, right?
1112
00:44:32,900 -->
00:44:35,872
Which is like a higher number and it's
1113
00:44:33,737 -->
00:44:35,661
Yeah. Right.
1114
00:44:35,872 -->
00:44:39,855
but it's basically a MacBook Air but with
more ports and better battery
1115
00:44:39,855 -->
00:44:41,626
and a nicer screen. Right?
1116
00:44:41,749 -->
00:44:42,749
Yeah.
1117
00:44:42,026 -->
00:44:45,869
And then you have the five Pro and the
five Max old version.
1118
00:44:46,322 -->
00:44:47,322
Yeah, yeah.
1119
00:44:47,481 -->
00:44:53,454
And then you have the M5 Max and M5 Pro
Pro LEDX DR with touch version for
1120
00:44:52,893 -->
00:44:53,893
Yeah.
1121
00:44:53,454 -->
00:44:57,896
$400 more, but you can't actually just
spec up a M5
1122
00:44:57,896 -->
00:45:02,738
Max Max normal version. You can't just
click give me the better display.
1123
00:45:02,738 -->
00:45:05,099
It's a whole separate category of thing.
1124
00:45:03,307 -->
00:45:05,265
Right. It's a skew, yeah.
1125
00:45:05,099 -->
00:45:06,099
And
1126
00:45:05,859 -->
00:45:09,191
it's it does feel a little bit like do you
think okay?
1127
00:45:09,191 -->
00:45:12,752
My question is, do you think this is the
way that they intended it to be?
1128
00:45:12,752 -->
00:45:14,073
Or do you think they're like,
1129
00:45:14,597 -->
00:45:19,158
the touch isn't ready. Let's release a a
rev to the same version before.
1130
00:45:19,158 -->
00:45:21,479
Get those out the door with the M5,
1131
00:45:21,479 -->
00:45:24,680
the M5 Pro, the five Max, and then we'll
do the other ones later.
1132
00:45:24,680 -->
00:45:28,541
And it will feel weird because we will
also update the base one with an M6.
1133
00:45:28,541 -->
00:45:32,522
And then we will have so it's like there's
like this weird like you know
1134
00:45:32,582 -->
00:45:35,623
how in school you used to do those
sentence diagram things where you're just
like
1135
00:45:35,048 -->
00:45:36,048
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1136
00:45:35,703 -->
00:45:40,014
you have the six and then you have like
the Pro LED XDR with touch and then
1137
00:45:39,491 -->
00:45:40,491
Right, right, right.
1138
00:45:40,014 -->
00:45:41,014
you have the normal.
1139
00:45:40,634 -->
00:45:41,634
It's like
1140
00:45:41,444 -->
00:45:44,791
Because really you have these two that
seem like they sit below the six,
1141
00:45:44,791 -->
00:45:46,294
but they're not. They're super better.
1142
00:45:46,294 -->
00:45:49,200
Like the five Pro and the five Max still
smoke the six.
1143
00:45:47,091 -->
00:45:49,574
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
1144
00:45:49,842 -->
00:45:52,698
But then you I don't know, like this feels
kind of strange.
1145
00:45:53,447 -->
00:45:55,689
I think it is a transitionary period.
1146
00:45:55,689 -->
00:46:00,032
I think with the phone, Apple is saying,
1147
00:46:00,032 -->
00:46:01,833
let's see what phones people resonate
with.
1148
00:46:01,833 -->
00:46:05,045
Do people want an iPhone Air? Do they want
the thinnest and lightest phone
1149
00:46:05,045 -->
00:46:07,137
no matter what? Do they want a folding
phone?
1150
00:46:07,137 -->
00:46:11,560
Do they want a pro big phone? I think like
they're experimenting there.
1151
00:46:11,560 -->
00:46:15,502
With the computers, do you want a $30,000
Mac Studio?
1152
00:46:15,502 -->
00:46:16,923
Do you want a touchscreen Mac?
1153
00:46:16,923 -->
00:46:20,346
Do you want a MacBook Neo that's $600?
1154
00:46:20,346 -->
00:46:21,797
Like, what do you want?
1155
00:46:22,651 -->
00:46:27,832
And I think it is a a bit of a scatter
shot to see like what sticks,
1156
00:46:27,832 -->
00:46:31,894
what do people want. But also with the
MacBook Pro specifically,
1157
00:46:31,894 -->
00:46:35,435
I think three to four years from now,
1158
00:46:35,435 -->
00:46:38,015
every MacBook Pro will have a dynamic
island.
1159
00:46:38,015 -->
00:46:42,997
I think every MacBook Pro will probably
have the tandem OLED.
1160
00:46:42,997 -->
00:46:45,537
Maybe not the base model. We'll see.
1161
00:46:45,537 -->
00:46:49,498
You know, the base model MacBook Pro is
always kind like a weird area where it's
1162
00:46:49,739 -->
00:46:51,239
it's a pro, but it's like
1163
00:46:51,603 -->
00:46:54,779
More MacBook Air than Pro. It's like a
MacBook Air with more ports kind of thing.
1164
00:46:54,779 -->
00:46:55,779
Like
1165
00:46:55,120 -->
00:46:56,120
I mean actually
1166
00:46:55,793 -->
00:47:00,079
it's like you shoved a MacBook Air inside
the chassis of a MacBook Pro.
1167
00:47:00,055 -->
00:47:01,055
Yeah,
1168
00:47:00,295 -->
00:47:03,537
exactly, exactly. But I think the all the
Pro and Macs,
1169
00:47:03,537 -->
00:47:05,718
MacBook Pros, they'll all have a Dynamic
Island,
1170
00:47:05,718 -->
00:47:07,119
they'll all have a tandem OLED.
1171
00:47:07,119 -->
00:47:11,042
Maybe the touch screen will be an add-on
then.
1172
00:47:11,042 -->
00:47:14,704
Like maybe there'll be a four hundred
dollar do you want touch or not?
1173
00:47:14,704 -->
00:47:18,186
I think it will look more streamlined a
few years from now.
1174
00:47:18,186 -->
00:47:20,447
And this is like the first foray.
1175
00:47:20,447 -->
00:47:22,489
Like, let's see. Do people care?
1176
00:47:22,489 -->
00:47:26,071
Do people want this? And so I think it is
a bit
1177
00:47:26,410 -->
00:47:28,421
confusing now. I think to the people like
you're saying,
1178
00:47:28,421 -->
00:47:30,161
six is higher than five. Shouldn't I buy
that?
1179
00:47:30,161 -->
00:47:33,303
I think if that's if s that's how
someone's thinking,
1180
00:47:33,303 -->
00:47:36,104
that is probably a customer that should
just get the six.
1181
00:47:36,104 -->
00:47:40,425
Because if they don't know ~ even why the
pro and Max five Pro and Max exist,
1182
00:47:40,425 -->
00:47:43,237
I think they're probably a user that would
just do fine with the six.
1183
00:47:43,237 -->
00:47:48,059
Like just do that. So yeah, I think it's a
bit confusing,
1184
00:47:48,059 -->
00:47:51,230
but I think it's also like they're seeing
what works right now.
1185
00:47:51,230 -->
00:47:52,770
And we're just gonna put it all out there,
1186
00:47:52,770 -->
00:47:54,301
see what happens. People are gonna buy
stuff.
1187
00:47:54,591 -->
00:47:55,995
People are gonna buy no stuff no matter
what,
1188
00:47:55,995 -->
00:47:58,682
like all this new stuff. And so it's just
experimentation.
1189
00:47:56,504 -->
00:47:58,946
Yeah. Well,
1190
00:47:58,946 -->
00:48:01,928
and I'm not necessarily like nostalgic for
the era when there was a grid
1191
00:48:01,928 -->
00:48:03,890
of four products. Like I get that we're
way,
1192
00:48:03,155 -->
00:48:05,359
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
1193
00:48:03,890 -->
00:48:04,890
way, way past that.
1194
00:48:05,831 -->
00:48:08,353
But your I think your answer is yes.
1195
00:48:08,353 -->
00:48:11,976
This is very uncharacteristically Apple in
the way that we think about what Apple
1196
00:48:11,976 -->
00:48:16,349
has always been. Because Apple has
typically said,
1197
00:48:16,349 -->
00:48:18,621
here's the products. This is what we make.
1198
00:48:18,621 -->
00:48:20,503
This is what we think our users want.
1199
00:48:20,503 -->
00:48:22,124
And it does feel a little bit now like
1200
00:48:22,436 -->
00:48:24,579
They're like, What we think people want
these things?
1201
00:48:24,579 -->
00:48:26,322
And I think it started with the Vision
Pro.
1202
00:48:26,322 -->
00:48:27,720
Like, I don't
1203
00:48:27,211 -->
00:48:28,211
Mm.
1204
00:48:27,720 -->
00:48:29,407
know, we think people seem to like
headsets.
1205
00:48:29,407 -->
00:48:32,511
What if we made the most expensive one
ever made and put it on it's like
1206
00:48:32,511 -->
00:48:34,755
so heavy you can only wear it for forty
minutes at a time?
1207
00:48:34,755 -->
00:48:38,230
Didn't really work. So I'm hoping that
these products work out better.
1208
00:48:38,911 -->
00:48:41,702
And I will say last thing, and then and
then we'll get to the iPhone Duo.
1209
00:48:41,702 -->
00:48:44,553
You know, if you go to the Apple Store
page,
1210
00:48:44,553 -->
00:48:48,674
they are still trying to simplify it's
like you we got MacBook Neo,
1211
00:48:48,674 -->
00:48:52,195
Air, Pro. Good, better,
1212
00:48:52,195 -->
00:48:54,995
best. Right? Like we still have the three
tiers.
1213
00:48:54,995 -->
00:48:57,276
And when you go to MacBook Pro,
1214
00:48:57,276 -->
00:49:01,717
you got two options. Do you want a touch
screen or do you want the regular?
1215
00:49:01,717 -->
00:49:08,099
And now you can keep diving down because
if I click learn more on the
1216
00:49:08,465 -->
00:49:10,418
non-touch MacBook Pro, then you the M6,
1217
00:49:10,418 -->
00:49:12,922
five Pro, five Max, and you have more
decisions to make.
1218
00:49:12,922 -->
00:49:16,067
But I think they are trying to see,
1219
00:49:16,067 -->
00:49:18,570
like, are you a touch? You want the touch?
1220
00:49:18,570 -->
00:49:22,937
Or no? And we'll see. We'll see we'll see
how it goes in the next couple of years.
1221
00:49:23,227 -->
00:49:24,227
Yeah. I mean,
1222
00:49:23,799 -->
00:49:24,799
But
1223
00:49:24,357 -->
00:49:25,988
you said it. She has to touch everything,
1224
00:49:25,988 -->
00:49:27,549
right? Lost World, by the way.
1225
00:49:27,549 -->
00:49:33,281
You you never ask. You need to put in a
rundown Ask Jason movie quote.
1226
00:49:27,797 -->
00:49:33,072
Thank you. Thank you for the comment I
know you said that I know.
1227
00:49:33,072 -->
00:49:35,335
You that was correct. That was the last
regardress.
1228
00:49:33,281 -->
00:49:35,361
I was looking at my piece of
1229
00:49:35,361 -->
00:49:38,553
paper where I had written down the words
the Lost World and I couldn't remember
1230
00:49:38,553 -->
00:49:40,010
why I wrote that down. And then I'm like,
1231
00:49:40,010 -->
00:49:41,844
yeah, because he asked me and he never
asked me.
1232
00:49:42,268 -->
00:49:45,258
I need to put in the rundown. this this is
the second week I say I'm gonna
1233
00:49:45,258 -->
00:49:46,258
do it and then I haven't done it.
1234
00:49:46,141 -->
00:49:47,803
So we'll see. I'll try to do it for next
week.
1235
00:49:47,803 -->
00:49:49,724
I we have to talk about iPhone Duo.
1236
00:49:49,724 -->
00:49:50,991
I've been using it for a full week.
1237
00:49:50,991 -->
00:49:52,417
I have so many thoughts about it.
1238
00:49:52,417 -->
00:49:55,669
But before we do, I want to thank our
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I think it's ideal. An agent solve the gap
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And our friends at Origin. Still one of
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1279
00:51:52,713 -->
00:51:54,483
You gotta go just to scroll your mouse
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1280
00:51:54,483 -->
00:51:56,593
I wonder how this would be on the
touchscreen MacBook Pro,
1281
00:51:56,593 -->
00:51:59,994
honestly. I feel like that might be kind
of cool to scroll around this little
1282
00:51:59,994 -->
00:52:02,685
homepage with your finger. But here's what
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1283
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1284
00:52:05,566 -->
00:52:06,806
AI agents.
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Cybersecurity breaches, things like that.
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It was just an agent doing what it thought
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And afterward, the hard part wasn't the
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1290
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It was that nobody could say exactly what
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1291
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1293
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the credentials it might have picked up.
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00:53:29,992
Okay. Have you spent any time with an
iPhone duo just by chance?
1317
00:53:29,992 -->
00:53:32,624
Zero time, Jason.
1318
00:53:30,266 -->
00:53:32,778
Zero time. Vicariously
1319
00:53:32,778 -->
00:53:35,561
I watched like your four days in a row or
whatever the heck you did.
1320
00:53:35,561 -->
00:53:37,402
I watched, I think, all of all of them.
1321
00:53:37,402 -->
00:53:39,076
W
1322
00:53:38,045 -->
00:53:39,147
I will link my playlist.
1323
00:53:39,384 -->
00:53:46,030
one of them was a little bit maybe like
the
1324
00:53:43,324 -->
00:53:44,324
What?
1325
00:53:46,030 -->
00:53:47,821
one the honeymoon's over. I was like,
1326
00:53:47,821 -->
00:53:51,995
hold on. What's he gonna say? I thought
you sent it back based on that headline.
1327
00:53:52,146 -->
00:53:57,054
Listen, I A B test the titles on all these
videos and so
1328
00:53:56,591 -->
00:53:57,591
Yeah, of course
1329
00:53:57,203 -->
00:54:00,264
that's not title that wins. 'Cause it's
the one that
1330
00:53:59,828 -->
00:54:00,828
Well
1331
00:54:00,264 -->
00:54:03,415
sounds the most like I'm gonna chuck this
thing in the ocean.
1332
00:54:04,498 -->
00:54:07,660
Well, and I meant it to say, listen,
1333
00:54:07,660 -->
00:54:11,198
there are bugs, there are weird things in
the UI.
1334
00:54:11,198 -->
00:54:12,744
Like those things just happen.
1335
00:54:12,744 -->
00:54:15,235
They c they're they come up. Like the the
software,
1336
00:54:15,235 -->
00:54:19,248
even Apple's own apps, are still not one
hundred percent on the iPhone Duo.
1337
00:54:19,248 -->
00:54:22,090
So I will link my playlist. I did five
videos,
1338
00:54:22,090 -->
00:54:24,785
kind of just my day-to-day experience with
the iPhone Duo.
1339
00:54:24,785 -->
00:54:28,084
I'm gonna have a full review video coming
out this weekend where I'll give kind
1340
00:54:28,084 -->
00:54:30,636
of my final thoughts and full recap.
1341
00:54:30,636 -->
00:54:32,597
Before I get into to my thoughts,
1342
00:54:32,597 -->
00:54:34,078
I do wanna mention there has been a lot of
1343
00:54:35,210 -->
00:54:37,131
Cracked screens on social media.
1344
00:54:37,131 -->
00:54:40,892
And this has been on Reddit. There's been
lots of posts about this,
1345
00:54:40,892 -->
00:54:45,383
but there's this like some lines will
appear cracking,
1346
00:54:45,383 -->
00:54:46,613
you know, a crack in the screen.
1347
00:54:46,613 -->
00:54:50,754
Apple has acknowledged that this is an
issue with a number of duos.
1348
00:54:50,754 -->
00:54:55,156
They say a small number, that th they will
replace the iPhone duo,
1349
00:54:55,156 -->
00:54:57,106
contact Apple Care. Even if you didn't
have Apple Care,
1350
00:54:57,106 -->
00:54:59,127
of course, they will replace the iPhone
Duo.
1351
00:54:59,127 -->
00:55:02,990
So first gen device, yes, there's a
there's a
1352
00:55:03,198 -->
00:55:04,569
You know, hardware shoe in a small batch,
1353
00:55:04,569 -->
00:55:07,140
so those are getting fixed. Also,
1354
00:55:07,140 -->
00:55:10,181
apps just not optimized.
1355
00:55:10,181 -->
00:55:12,142
That has been the story. You heard that in
all the reviews.
1356
00:55:12,142 -->
00:55:16,754
I actually built an entire web page again
using Claude to keep track
1357
00:55:16,754 -->
00:55:18,965
of apps that are updating for iPhone Duo.
1358
00:55:18,965 -->
00:55:22,406
There's now over 800 apps that are iPhone
Duo ready.
1359
00:55:22,406 -->
00:55:24,267
And so I'll put that link down in the show
notes too.
1360
00:55:24,267 -->
00:55:28,159
I have apps that I recommend that I've
been using on Duo and apps that developers
1361
00:55:28,159 -->
00:55:30,430
have been sending to me just on social
media.
1362
00:55:30,843 -->
00:55:32,454
And you can browse by category,
1363
00:55:32,454 -->
00:55:37,428
you can browse by date added. ~ Marco
Arment just released a new app yesterday
1364
00:55:37,623 -->
00:55:40,039
~ for the iPhone Duo and the iPad.
1365
00:55:40,039 -->
00:55:43,532
It's actually really cool. It's called
Finalist,
1366
00:55:43,532 -->
00:55:46,314
I think. I forget what exactly it's
called.
1367
00:55:45,721 -->
00:55:46,798
Fine liner maybe?
1368
00:55:46,314 -->
00:55:47,314
Fine
1369
00:55:47,044 -->
00:55:48,044
liner. I'm sorry, that's the word.
1370
00:55:47,929 -->
00:55:50,487
Fine liner. but it's here on the webpage.
1371
00:55:50,487 -->
00:55:51,487
You can just search for there it is,
1372
00:55:51,437 -->
00:55:54,179
Fine Liner. And so you can go here,
1373
00:55:54,179 -->
00:55:56,341
check out all the duo optimized apps.
1374
00:55:56,341 -->
00:55:57,992
I will save.
1375
00:55:59,132 -->
00:56:00,132
I'm
1376
00:55:59,272 -->
00:56:00,422
still developing my final thoughts,
1377
00:56:00,422 -->
00:56:02,663
like to be honest. and so that's why I'll,
1378
00:56:02,663 -->
00:56:04,904
you know, put those in the review for this
weekend.
1379
00:56:04,904 -->
00:56:07,344
Because here's the here's the deal.
1380
00:56:07,344 -->
00:56:12,486
If you go with an iPhone Duo, whatever
iPhone you go with this year,
1381
00:56:12,486 -->
00:56:17,147
like it's your iPhone. It's the device you
have to use every day.
1382
00:56:17,147 -->
00:56:21,269
And there's novelties to a new device,
1383
00:56:21,269 -->
00:56:23,269
there's cool things about the iPhone Duo.
1384
00:56:23,269 -->
00:56:26,190
It is not going to be for everyone.
1385
00:56:26,888 -->
00:56:28,579
Like this is a very different device.
1386
00:56:28,579 -->
00:56:33,051
If you are someone who likes weird quirks
because the technology is new
1387
00:56:33,051 -->
00:56:34,572
and you get to experience something
different,
1388
00:56:34,572 -->
00:56:36,483
the iPhone Duo has been super fun.
1389
00:56:36,483 -->
00:56:40,005
I've really enjoyed it. There's been a lot
of times where it's like,
1390
00:56:40,005 -->
00:56:45,358
~ the the best analogy I could think of is
like using the iPhone Duo
1391
00:56:45,358 -->
00:56:49,130
as your main device is like living in a
world made for a different phone.
1392
00:56:49,130 -->
00:56:55,013
Because you are living in a world made for
the iPhone seventeen,
1393
00:56:55,013 -->
00:56:56,594
eighteen pros and maxes. Like
1394
00:56:57,342 -->
00:56:59,623
The entire internet is made for those
phones.
1395
00:56:59,623 -->
00:57:04,424
And using the iPhone Duo today is trying
to fit a square
1396
00:57:04,664 -->
00:57:08,345
peg in an iPhone 18-shaped hole.
1397
00:57:08,345 -->
00:57:12,326
You know what mean? And a lot of the
internet is is like that.
1398
00:57:12,326 -->
00:57:15,647
Like scrolling reels and TikToks,
1399
00:57:15,647 -->
00:57:17,027
which is something a lot of people do.
1400
00:57:17,027 -->
00:57:20,188
Like it's a weird experience on the iPhone
Duo.
1401
00:57:20,188 -->
00:57:22,809
Because if you do it on the outer screen,
1402
00:57:22,809 -->
00:57:25,750
it's like very small.
1403
00:57:26,184 -->
00:57:29,282
You know, it has to crop to the squarish
screen.
1404
00:57:29,282 -->
00:57:33,403
And so watching reels is not as fun on the
duo front screen as it
1405
00:57:33,403 -->
00:57:35,398
is on iPhone eighteen pro. Can you all
1406
00:57:34,884 -->
00:57:35,884
Why why
1407
00:57:35,736 -->
00:57:38,672
why is it not as fun? Like who cares if it
just crops it so it's
1408
00:57:38,672 -->
00:57:42,139
the same aspect ratio? Okay.
1409
00:57:40,850 -->
00:57:42,201
Way smaller. It's just
1410
00:57:42,201 -->
00:57:43,812
way smaller. It's way smaller.
1411
00:57:43,812 -->
00:57:45,753
And because Instagram, you know,
1412
00:57:45,753 -->
00:57:48,225
I think this goes to the app optimization.
1413
00:57:48,225 -->
00:57:51,197
Like they're probably still figuring out
what to do with all the controls.
1414
00:57:51,197 -->
00:57:54,620
But because the Instagram UI is here in
the sidebar,
1415
00:57:54,620 -->
00:57:59,243
you have all the like, share, and comment
icons on the reel itself,
1416
00:57:59,243 -->
00:58:01,455
plus the caption, plus, you know,
1417
00:58:01,455 -->
00:58:02,555
the reels and friends on the top.
1418
00:58:02,555 -->
00:58:06,678
So like it's just small. Like it's much
smaller than even looking on like
1419
00:58:06,678 -->
00:58:09,180
a regular 18 Pro or 17.
1420
00:58:09,798 -->
00:58:14,039
And yeah, you can open the duo and you can
watch reels that way.
1421
00:58:14,039 -->
00:58:18,760
And then you get, you know, a letter-boxed
experience with,
1422
00:58:18,760 -->
00:58:24,422
yeah, I it's bigger, sure. But like if you
were to look at a reel
1423
00:58:25,062 -->
00:58:30,254
on both the iPhone Duo and the iPhone 18
Pro Max,
1424
00:58:30,254 -->
00:58:33,204
we'll say, ~ here's a a re you know,
1425
00:58:33,204 -->
00:58:38,586
side by side, if you actually look at the
amount of content you will see.
1426
00:58:39,902 -->
00:58:42,883
You're holding a much bigger device with
an open iPhone duo and not seeing
1427
00:58:42,883 -->
00:58:48,005
a ton more content. And the content itself
is like cropped funny.
1428
00:58:48,005 -->
00:58:53,548
Like on the 18 Pro Max, you can see the
reel goes all the way,
1429
00:58:53,548 -->
00:58:55,709
it's edge to edge, top and bottom.
1430
00:58:55,709 -->
00:58:59,490
Like you can see the reel goes all the way
below the Instagram control,
1431
00:58:59,490 -->
00:59:03,372
like tabs, and goes all the way up into
the dynamic island area.
1432
00:59:03,372 -->
00:59:07,594
Whereas on the iPhone Duo, it stops right
above the controls.
1433
00:59:08,410 -->
00:59:11,433
And it goes to the top edge, but it's not
the same aspect ratio.
1434
00:59:11,433 -->
00:59:14,445
Like it's a different. But the
1435
00:59:11,735 -->
00:59:14,388
Well, that's the thing. The phone isn't
the same aspect ratio.
1436
00:59:14,445 -->
00:59:16,927
video is not. Even though the video is
letterboxed,
1437
00:59:16,927 -->
00:59:19,579
the video itself is not the same aspect
ratio.
1438
00:59:19,579 -->
00:59:22,121
Like you're getting a cropped video.
1439
00:59:22,121 -->
00:59:28,507
So that is what I mean when I say like
you're living in a world where every piece
1440
00:59:28,507 -->
00:59:31,349
of vertical content was made for a
different iPhone.
1441
00:59:31,822 -->
00:59:32,822
Yeah.
1442
00:59:32,390 -->
00:59:35,352
Now, long form content, pretty cool.
1443
00:59:35,352 -->
00:59:37,224
Like I've enjoyed.
1444
00:59:37,428 -->
00:59:40,319
Playing a full YouTube video, like a long
form YouTube video,
1445
00:59:40,319 -->
00:59:44,380
opening up the iPhone Duo and watching it
what widescreen.
1446
00:59:44,380 -->
00:59:47,721
Again, if you compare it to like an 18 Pro
Max,
1447
00:59:47,721 -->
00:59:52,562
it's not a huge difference in the amount
of video you are seeing,
1448
00:59:52,562 -->
00:59:55,102
depending on the aspect ratio of the
video.
1449
00:59:55,102 -->
00:59:59,504
But the iPhone Duo, strangely,
1450
00:59:59,504 -->
01:00:05,045
feels lighter when you're holding it open
than the 18 Pro Max does.
1451
01:00:06,125 -->
01:00:09,607
And it's just a trick of the mind because
I think the total weight of
1452
01:00:09,607 -->
01:00:13,068
the duo is actually more than even an 18
Pro Max.
1453
01:00:13,068 -->
01:00:15,689
But for some reason, holding the duo open,
1454
01:00:15,689 -->
01:00:18,330
it feels actually lighter. When you close
it,
1455
01:00:18,330 -->
01:00:22,192
it's the weirdest thing. It feels heavier
closed,
1456
01:00:22,192 -->
01:00:23,593
just because the weight distribution,
1457
01:00:23,593 -->
01:00:25,333
I think, and and you know, center of
gravity.
1458
01:00:25,333 -->
01:00:29,185
So there's a lot of parts of the duo that
feels again like you're a square
1459
01:00:29,185 -->
01:00:32,216
peg in a round hole in a in a lot of parts
of the internet.
1460
01:00:32,216 -->
01:00:33,927
And then even like browsing safari.
1461
01:00:34,621 -->
01:00:36,443
You know, if I go to a website,
1462
01:00:36,443 -->
01:00:40,306
like my beardfm.app website, like you see,
1463
01:00:40,306 -->
01:00:42,767
like it's it's small on the outer screen.
1464
01:00:42,767 -->
01:00:44,410
Like it's not a super great experience,
1465
01:00:44,410 -->
01:00:46,662
but it's fine. It's fine. And yes,
1466
01:00:46,662 -->
01:00:50,575
you can open the iPhone duo and you can
see a lot more of the website.
1467
01:00:50,575 -->
01:00:53,798
And you know, that's cool. If you hear
lightsaber sounds,
1468
01:00:53,798 -->
01:00:56,750
it's because my Star Wars lightsaber from
Disney World is just turning
1469
01:00:56,750 -->
01:00:57,991
on and off randomly in the corner,
1470
01:00:57,991 -->
01:00:58,991
and I don't know how to stop it.
1471
01:00:58,922 -->
01:01:00,343
So just throwing that out there.
1472
01:01:00,343 -->
01:01:01,825
So it is
1473
01:01:02,395 -->
01:01:04,766
Living in a world made for a different
iPhone.
1474
01:01:04,766 -->
01:01:08,368
All that to say, it is super fun,
1475
01:01:08,368 -->
01:01:12,970
super fun to use. And there's been many
times in my day-to-day life,
1476
01:01:12,970 -->
01:01:16,601
and I would be curious, like this is why
hopefully you get to try your hand
1477
01:01:16,601 -->
01:01:17,872
at a duo just for a little bit.
1478
01:01:17,872 -->
01:01:21,433
Because, like you, I go to a lot of events
with the kids.
1479
01:01:21,433 -->
01:01:23,714
It might be a rehearsal, it might be a
game,
1480
01:01:23,714 -->
01:01:26,555
it might be I'm sitting in the car for a
while doing something,
1481
01:01:26,555 -->
01:01:29,156
you know, and waiting for them doing a
thing.
1482
01:01:29,156 -->
01:01:30,217
And
1483
01:01:30,506 -->
01:01:31,506
Previously,
1484
01:01:31,006 -->
01:01:33,228
I would bring my iPad Pro with magic
keyboard.
1485
01:01:33,228 -->
01:01:35,610
I love it. It's got built-in cellular.
1486
01:01:35,610 -->
01:01:38,802
Awkward to use in a car, especially if
you're in the driver's seat
1487
01:01:38,802 -->
01:01:40,474
and you the steering wheel, like how it
navigate.
1488
01:01:39,693 -->
01:01:42,356
You have the thirteen inch? Yeah.
1489
01:01:40,474 -->
01:01:42,335
I have the 13 inch, yeah.
1490
01:01:43,296 -->
01:01:44,937
and I did it before with my 11 inch M4,
1491
01:01:44,937 -->
01:01:47,099
because ~ I had the smaller one then,
1492
01:01:47,099 -->
01:01:48,660
and it's better with the smaller one,
1493
01:01:48,660 -->
01:01:50,081
especially in the car or whatever.
1494
01:01:50,081 -->
01:01:54,685
But man, I for the last week have been
using iPhone Duo.
1495
01:01:54,685 -->
01:01:58,568
I will open it up in the car and it feels
great to use.
1496
01:01:58,568 -->
01:02:00,109
And I can use the Apple Pencil with it.
1497
01:02:00,719 -->
01:02:04,991
And I will often remote into my Mac Studio
for my iPhone Duo when it's open,
1498
01:02:04,991 -->
01:02:06,411
and that's a great experience.
1499
01:02:06,411 -->
01:02:12,934
Or, like I said, watching videos on the
iPhone Duo or split screening Claude
1500
01:02:13,014 -->
01:02:17,396
and social media. So as people send me
their apps optimized for iPhone Duo,
1501
01:02:17,396 -->
01:02:20,497
I can copy a link on this side and paste
it over here for Claude and
1502
01:02:20,497 -->
01:02:22,738
let Claude work on one side and and not
the other.
1503
01:02:22,738 -->
01:02:28,621
And so it is super fun. And I think for
someone like me with very specific
1504
01:02:28,621 -->
01:02:29,621
use cases.
1505
01:02:29,757 -->
01:02:32,950
Like I edited Primary Tech Daily on the
iPhone Duo this last week with
1506
01:02:32,950 -->
01:02:34,641
the Apple Pencil. That's super fun.
1507
01:02:34,641 -->
01:02:37,943
Is it better than doing it on the iPad
Pro?
1508
01:02:37,943 -->
01:02:44,409
Not better. But the fact that it the
iPhone in my pocket and I can open
1509
01:02:44,409 -->
01:02:49,613
it and have a mini iPad. And that's why
I've alluded to it before.
1510
01:02:49,613 -->
01:02:54,447
Like, Apple is making the decision so hard
because we now have the best iPad mini
1511
01:02:54,447 -->
01:02:57,520
ever with an OLED display. And I'm like,
1512
01:02:57,520 -->
01:02:58,651
well.
1513
01:02:59,175 -->
01:03:04,650
Man, do would it be better to carry an 18
Pro and an iPad mini with the ONET?
1514
01:03:04,650 -->
01:03:08,033
Like, do I want to do that? Do I want just
one device,
1515
01:03:08,033 -->
01:03:11,356
the iPhone Duo, to do it all? So anyway,
1516
01:03:11,356 -->
01:03:15,198
I last thing I'll say, and then I don't
know if you have questions or comments,
1517
01:03:15,198 -->
01:03:21,255
but ~ I missed the telephoto. I did the
thing where ~ and I put this in
1518
01:03:21,255 -->
01:03:23,567
one of my videos, again, I'll link the
playlist.
1519
01:03:23,567 -->
01:03:25,999
You can create a smart album.
1520
01:03:26,864 -->
01:03:29,164
In photos on your Mac specifically.
1521
01:03:29,164 -->
01:03:30,164
You have to do it on your Mac.
1522
01:03:30,105 -->
01:03:32,696
You can't create a smart album like on
your iPhone or iPad.
1523
01:03:32,696 -->
01:03:39,377
And you can put in a bunch of criteria for
~ photos taken with
1524
01:03:39,377 -->
01:03:43,067
a certain camera, namely your iPhone 17
Pro or 16 Pro,
1525
01:03:43,067 -->
01:03:46,419
whatever. And you can choose lenses like
filter by lenses,
1526
01:03:46,419 -->
01:03:50,980
and it will create an album and show you
all the photos you took with
1527
01:03:50,980 -->
01:03:53,061
the telephoto lens specifically.
1528
01:03:54,011 -->
01:03:57,343
And so in the last year with my 17 Pro
Max,
1529
01:03:57,343 -->
01:04:03,126
I've taken 372 photos and 119 videos,
1530
01:04:03,126 -->
01:04:06,068
specifically with the telephoto lens.
1531
01:04:06,068 -->
01:04:09,169
And looking at these, it's like I have to
think,
1532
01:04:09,169 -->
01:04:11,871
what would it have been like without the
telephoto lens?
1533
01:04:11,871 -->
01:04:15,273
Like I went to the live VergeCast
recording at CES earlier this year.
1534
01:04:15,273 -->
01:04:18,134
Like I took this photo with a telephoto
lens.
1535
01:04:18,134 -->
01:04:20,375
I could have taken that photo with the
regular lens.
1536
01:04:20,375 -->
01:04:21,596
It just wouldn't look as good.
1537
01:04:21,596 -->
01:04:23,057
~ like with the iPhone Duo.
1538
01:04:23,355 -->
01:04:24,656
at all my kids' dance recitals.
1539
01:04:24,656 -->
01:04:27,308
This was the Nutcracker last December.
1540
01:04:27,308 -->
01:04:29,859
And I was pretty far back in the audience.
1541
01:04:29,859 -->
01:04:32,851
~ but I could go to that telephoto lens
and get a decent picture.
1542
01:04:32,851 -->
01:04:36,154
Like I will not be able to get that
picture with the iPhone Duo this year.
1543
01:04:36,154 -->
01:04:39,136
And I know Apple made the handoff feature.
1544
01:04:39,136 -->
01:04:42,488
I know you can double fist iPhones if you
really wanted to.
1545
01:04:42,488 -->
01:04:44,519
ATT doesn't have the handoff feature
unfortunately.
1546
01:04:44,519 -->
01:04:47,862
But I'm not the kind of person that wants
to carry two phones or even think about
1547
01:04:47,862 -->
01:04:51,824
two phones. Like I don't even like the
cognitive load of what phone am
1548
01:04:51,824 -->
01:04:52,824
I going to take today.
1549
01:04:53,053 -->
01:04:56,005
I'm a one phone guy. I just want to know
this is my phone and this is the
1550
01:04:56,005 -->
01:04:59,447
one I take everywhere. And so I have to
make the decision,
1551
01:04:59,447 -->
01:05:01,328
and this is what I will save for my
review,
1552
01:05:01,328 -->
01:05:02,398
because I honestly don't know.
1553
01:05:02,398 -->
01:05:05,560
Is the telephoto camera worth it?
1554
01:05:05,560 -->
01:05:09,812
And is living in a world not yet
optimized,
1555
01:05:09,812 -->
01:05:12,034
but slowly being optimized for iPhone Duo?
1556
01:05:12,034 -->
01:05:13,905
Is it worth living in that interim period?
1557
01:05:13,905 -->
01:05:16,846
The optimized thing is less of a bother to
me.
1558
01:05:16,846 -->
01:05:20,448
The fact that reels are a little weird on
iPhone,
1559
01:05:20,448 -->
01:05:21,639
I think is actually good.
1560
01:05:21,801 -->
01:05:26,513
'Cause I watch less. Like I'm less
inclined to scroll them on the iPhone
1561
01:05:26,513 -->
01:05:28,004
duo and that's probably a good thing.
1562
01:05:28,004 -->
01:05:30,084
And I'm more inclined to like do some
work.
1563
01:05:30,084 -->
01:05:34,566
So maybe that's better. But it is ~ you
know,
1564
01:05:34,566 -->
01:05:37,127
you would be in the interim period right
now.
1565
01:05:37,127 -->
01:05:38,558
So anyway, I'll stop talking. Tal
1566
01:05:38,404 -->
01:05:39,404
No, you're good.
1567
01:05:38,558 -->
01:05:39,558
talk to you.
1568
01:05:39,404 -->
01:05:45,710
I just think I can't decide if people
using
1569
01:05:45,710 -->
01:05:51,915
the iPhone Duo enjoy it because it's
different or enjoy
1570
01:05:51,915 -->
01:05:57,119
it because it's good. And I th in part of
th again
1571
01:05:57,729 -->
01:06:01,852
I d I did not I did ask for a review unit
and literally radio silence.
1572
01:06:01,852 -->
01:06:04,223
Didn't even get a no. Like, okay,
1573
01:06:04,223 -->
01:06:08,516
you'll send me a eight thousand dollar
laptop so I can run local models,
1574
01:06:08,516 -->
01:06:11,408
but you won't send me an iPhone Duo.
1575
01:06:10,085 -->
01:06:11,373
I know, it's weird. It's weird.
1576
01:06:11,408 -->
01:06:14,641
But whatever, the availability of them is
very diffic is very limited.
1577
01:06:14,097 -->
01:06:15,139
Is limited, yeah.
1578
01:06:14,641 -->
01:06:15,641
So whatever.
1579
01:06:15,351 -->
01:06:17,623
I I'm not mad about it. Although
apparently if you break the screen
1580
01:06:17,623 -->
01:06:19,714
you can just walk into an Apple store or
they'll hand you a new one.
1581
01:06:19,714 -->
01:06:24,197
I'm just saying. Okay.
1582
01:06:19,812 -->
01:06:21,417
Not immediately. You do have to wait.
1583
01:06:21,417 -->
01:06:23,785
The r the reports have been that it takes
a while,
1584
01:06:23,785 -->
01:06:24,785
so anyway, but yeah.
1585
01:06:24,197 -->
01:06:25,197
But
1586
01:06:26,059 -->
01:06:27,059
I
1587
01:06:28,259 -->
01:06:31,851
So I I wanna I I'm just saying I haven't
actually had one in my hands.
1588
01:06:31,851 -->
01:06:34,722
I should go to our local Apple store and
just touch
1589
01:06:34,055 -->
01:06:35,055
Go play with
1590
01:06:34,722 -->
01:06:36,182
in that kind of stuff, whatever.
1591
01:06:36,182 -->
01:06:39,364
But I think they got the form factor
wrong.
1592
01:06:39,364 -->
01:06:46,127
Because the the biggest complaint I've
heard from people is essentially what
Gruber
1593
01:06:46,127 -->
01:06:47,847
said, which is that when it's closed,
1594
01:06:47,847 -->
01:06:49,248
it's the worst iPhone they've ever made.
1595
01:06:49,248 -->
01:06:52,359
And I do feel like that's important.
1596
01:06:52,359 -->
01:06:56,481
You ki because if it was only going to be
good when you open it,
1597
01:06:56,663 -->
01:06:58,404
Then that's just an iPad mini.
1598
01:06:58,404 -->
01:06:59,934
Like, and they just released the new one
1599
01:06:59,035 -->
01:07:00,035
Right, right.
1600
01:06:59,934 -->
01:07:02,025
of those and it's f by all accounts,
1601
01:07:02,025 -->
01:07:05,487
like, sweet. It it answered all the things
we cared about except for the promotion.
1602
01:07:05,487 -->
01:07:07,127
It's like they they put the OLED on it,
1603
01:07:07,127 -->
01:07:13,130
it's whatever. And so I d but I can't
decide if people are enjoying it.
1604
01:07:13,130 -->
01:07:15,270
I'll go back to the same thing and you can
tell me what you think.
1605
01:07:15,270 -->
01:07:18,332
Because it's different or because it's
good.
1606
01:07:18,332 -->
01:07:21,553
And it seems like it's more of the former
right now,
1607
01:07:21,553 -->
01:07:24,234
and maybe eventually it will be the
latter,
1608
01:07:24,234 -->
01:07:26,335
but that it's it's not yet.
1609
01:07:27,422 -->
01:07:32,685
Honestly, I agree. And I think if you are
like us and have been
1610
01:07:32,685 -->
01:07:35,907
an iPhone user for years and years,
1611
01:07:35,907 -->
01:07:38,188
I've been using an iPhone since the iPhone
4.
1612
01:07:38,188 -->
01:07:42,010
The iPhone experience, it's changed a
little bit.
1613
01:07:42,010 -->
01:07:44,471
You know, the iPhone 10, genuinely new,
1614
01:07:44,471 -->
01:07:47,293
you know, no home button, notch,
1615
01:07:47,293 -->
01:07:49,814
all of that. But since then, like,
1616
01:07:49,814 -->
01:07:51,325
yes, we've had the dynamic island,
1617
01:07:51,325 -->
01:07:52,576
we've had some slight changes.
1618
01:07:52,576 -->
01:07:54,517
This is the most
1619
01:07:54,759 -->
01:07:57,510
Different an iPhone experience has ever
been.
1620
01:07:57,510 -->
01:08:03,654
And honestly, that in itself is
interesting and fun.
1621
01:08:03,654 -->
01:08:08,357
Like the fact that this feels like a
different kind of iPhone
1622
01:08:09,537 -->
01:08:11,878
is maybe the most attractive part of it.
1623
01:08:11,878 -->
01:08:17,462
And so to your point, not like if my
choice was to use this outer display
1624
01:08:17,582 -->
01:08:20,503
or an iPhone 18 Pro, no question.
1625
01:08:20,503 -->
01:08:23,555
I would not want to use the outer display
as my phone.
1626
01:08:24,093 -->
01:08:25,434
Like that is not a good experience.
1627
01:08:25,434 -->
01:08:31,640
I don't think it's horrible. Like in some
instances I actually like it.
1628
01:08:31,640 -->
01:08:34,602
Like when I was on a field trip and taking
pictures,
1629
01:08:34,602 -->
01:08:39,687
I actually like the small square form
factor for picture taking.
1630
01:08:39,687 -->
01:08:42,109
One, it feels more camera like,
1631
01:08:42,109 -->
01:08:44,030
but I also felt more discreet.
1632
01:08:44,030 -->
01:08:46,773
Like holding up the camera to like do
this,
1633
01:08:46,773 -->
01:08:50,596
as opposed to my 18 Pro Max, which feels
like I'm holding up a surfboard.
1634
01:08:50,596 -->
01:08:51,596
And it's
1635
01:08:51,877 -->
01:08:54,598
And then ungainly sometimes, like
single-handedly.
1636
01:08:54,598 -->
01:08:58,460
Like holding my phone like this and like
most of the phone sticking out,
1637
01:08:58,460 -->
01:09:01,802
it feels less secure than my iPhone duo,
1638
01:09:01,802 -->
01:09:05,303
just like I'm basically have the entire
phone in my hand almost.
1639
01:09:05,303 -->
01:09:08,645
So sometimes I liked the form factor of
the outer screen,
1640
01:09:08,645 -->
01:09:13,767
but it is the novelty of being able to
open it and have a little iPad.
1641
01:09:13,767 -->
01:09:16,108
Sometimes just watching the video,
1642
01:09:16,108 -->
01:09:17,889
it's like, this is nice. Or
1643
01:09:19,157 -->
01:09:23,820
I do find I do remote into my Mac a lot
for whatever reason.
1644
01:09:23,820 -->
01:09:28,644
And doing that even on the 18 Pro Max
because of the aspect ratio of the screen,
1645
01:09:28,644 -->
01:09:30,795
even if I rotate it to landscape,
1646
01:09:30,795 -->
01:09:34,888
like it wasn't as good of an experience as
doing it with my iPhone Duo open.
1647
01:09:34,888 -->
01:09:37,330
So like that remote control of a Mac,
1648
01:09:37,330 -->
01:09:39,471
iPhone Duo wins when it's open.
1649
01:09:39,471 -->
01:09:41,213
And that's something I do. And again,
1650
01:09:41,213 -->
01:09:42,674
that is a very specific use case.
1651
01:09:42,674 -->
01:09:45,386
There might be IT professionals out there
who would be like,
1652
01:09:45,386 -->
01:09:46,386
I'm in.
1653
01:09:46,576 -->
01:09:49,538
I that's my job. I remote into computers
all day every day.
1654
01:09:49,336 -->
01:09:50,336
Yeah.
1655
01:09:49,538 -->
01:09:50,538
Like
1656
01:09:50,098 -->
01:09:52,140
I that's I need that immediately.
1657
01:09:52,140 -->
01:09:53,931
And so if that is your specific use case,
1658
01:09:53,931 -->
01:09:56,563
like, my goodness, the iPhone Duo might be
the perfect phone for you.
1659
01:09:56,563 -->
01:10:02,166
I also like the iPhone Duo in my pocket as
opposed to the eighteen Pro Max.
1660
01:10:02,166 -->
01:10:07,150
And honestly, if there was one choice that
I would make now that using
1661
01:10:07,150 -->
01:10:09,371
the iPhone Duo, if I went back to the Pro
phones,
1662
01:10:09,371 -->
01:10:11,593
I would sell my Pro Max and go with a Pro,
1663
01:10:11,593 -->
01:10:14,135
which is what you do anyways. Because man,
1664
01:10:14,135 -->
01:10:16,176
a smaller Pro phone
1665
01:10:16,594 -->
01:10:18,205
But with all the features and telephoto,
1666
01:10:18,205 -->
01:10:20,176
man, that's a compelling case right now.
1667
01:10:20,176 -->
01:10:21,987
~ now that I've used this for a week.
1668
01:10:21,987 -->
01:10:26,189
But I do think the novelty is what's
exciting.
1669
01:10:26,189 -->
01:10:33,173
But there are a few genuine use cases that
again are very specific to individuals.
1670
01:10:33,173 -->
01:10:38,556
Like I might like me and Jason Snell are
the only people I know that have edited
1671
01:10:38,556 -->
01:10:40,217
podcasts in Ferrite with the Apple Pencil.
1672
01:10:40,217 -->
01:10:41,217
You do it too.
1673
01:10:40,931 -->
01:10:41,931
Yeah, I do it.
1674
01:10:41,738 -->
01:10:43,699
You do it too. But I don't know,
1675
01:10:43,699 -->
01:10:44,699
like I
1676
01:10:45,924 -->
01:10:48,946
I love the fact that I can do it on this
phone in my car.
1677
01:10:48,946 -->
01:10:52,047
Like that is so cool. Is it better?
1678
01:10:52,047 -->
01:10:58,571
I mean, it's not better. And when I edit
the full episode for this today's episode,
1679
01:10:58,571 -->
01:11:03,234
I'm gonna do it with my iPad Pro because I
need universal control to drag
1680
01:11:03,234 -->
01:11:07,136
my chapter artwork from my Mac to Ferrite
on my iPad,
1681
01:11:07,136 -->
01:11:09,777
and there's no universal control for the
iPhone Duo.
1682
01:11:09,777 -->
01:11:12,959
And so there's still like it's fun,
1683
01:11:12,959 -->
01:11:14,920
it's novel.
1684
01:11:15,910 -->
01:11:18,272
And I don't and I still truly am
undecided.
1685
01:11:18,272 -->
01:11:20,464
Like I'm not going to dual phone it.
1686
01:11:20,464 -->
01:11:23,713
Am I going to go duo or pro? I'm still not
sure.
1687
01:11:23,713 -->
01:11:25,769
So you tune into my review because I
really don't know.
1688
01:11:25,769 -->
01:11:28,782
But yeah. I so all that to say I think I
agree.
1689
01:11:28,782 -->
01:11:32,496
Like the fun and being different is
actually one of the biggest factors for
it.
1690
01:11:33,262 -->
01:11:36,504
Yeah, and I but I do think, what do you
think about the form factor itself?
1691
01:11:36,504 -->
01:11:40,397
Because like I've used both Samsung and
Pixel Folds,
1692
01:11:40,397 -->
01:11:43,559
and I do think that that form factor is
better.
1693
01:11:43,559 -->
01:11:46,601
I understand why Apple did it and they
seem very,
1694
01:11:46,601 -->
01:11:49,683
very proud of the fact that it's the same
aspect ratio,
1695
01:11:49,683 -->
01:11:53,245
open and closed, although it's that's only
true I mean it's technically true,
1696
01:11:53,245 -->
01:11:55,507
but it's only effective if you rotate it,
1697
01:11:55,507 -->
01:11:57,028
right? Like you open it and
1698
01:11:56,742 -->
01:11:57,742
Yeah.
1699
01:11:57,028 -->
01:12:00,340
it's just still one to four point one one
to one point four or whatever,
1700
01:12:00,340 -->
01:12:01,891
but it's you get to rotate it first.
1701
01:12:02,339 -->
01:12:04,222
But I just think that it I don't know,
1702
01:12:04,222 -->
01:12:08,277
it it it seems like that was not maybe not
the right call.
1703
01:12:09,754 -->
01:12:14,126
Again, b because it's a world made for a
different aspect ratio phone,
1704
01:12:14,126 -->
01:12:17,768
I think today, yeah, it feels like the
wrong call.
1705
01:12:17,768 -->
01:12:21,777
especially when what a majority of things
people do with their phone
1706
01:12:21,777 -->
01:12:25,092
is probably scrolling reels and TikTok and
social media feeds.
1707
01:12:25,092 -->
01:12:29,975
And like text messaging, not a great
experience on the outer display,
1708
01:12:29,975 -->
01:12:32,156
because once you bring up that keyboard,
1709
01:12:32,156 -->
01:12:34,918
you see a very t very limited number of
messages.
1710
01:12:34,918 -->
01:12:37,139
Like is then if you have a big message,
1711
01:12:37,139 -->
01:12:38,810
like you're gonna be scrolling a lot on
that.
1712
01:12:39,342 -->
01:12:40,613
top part of the outer display.
1713
01:12:40,613 -->
01:12:47,418
But, and this would be true of the i 18
Pro rather than the Max,
1714
01:12:47,418 -->
01:12:50,300
but like one handed typing for me is
easier on this.
1715
01:12:50,300 -->
01:12:53,442
And it'll probably be even easier on the
Pro.
1716
01:12:53,442 -->
01:12:56,844
But coming from the Pro Max, like I like
that part of it.
1717
01:12:56,844 -->
01:13:00,306
And yeah, it's n it's novel, you know,
1718
01:13:00,306 -->
01:13:03,278
and it's I don't know. I like the shiny
titanium slides.
1719
01:13:03,278 -->
01:13:04,449
Like that's a superficial thing.
1720
01:13:04,449 -->
01:13:05,850
But I like how this phone looks.
1721
01:13:05,850 -->
01:13:08,462
Like it looks like a really nice iPhone.
1722
01:13:08,636 -->
01:13:10,037
Like a really nice piece of hardware.
1723
01:13:10,037 -->
01:13:15,782
And the fact that I can prop it up when I
go eat lunch out on the patio
1724
01:13:16,122 -->
01:13:19,885
and I don't bring ~ something to you know
prop my phone up on,
1725
01:13:19,885 -->
01:13:24,089
I can do the little laptop thing and I
could have the video playing and
1726
01:13:24,089 -->
01:13:26,731
it can be its own thing. Built-in
speakers,
1727
01:13:26,731 -->
01:13:32,456
by the way, very good because it actually
has like a like d good stereo speakers,
1728
01:13:32,456 -->
01:13:34,958
and when you have it open, like it's
oriented properly,
1729
01:13:34,958 -->
01:13:37,010
like good speakers. But
1730
01:13:37,529 -->
01:13:39,200
I I will and I will say this in my review,
1731
01:13:39,200 -->
01:13:40,972
like this is not for everyone.
1732
01:13:40,972 -->
01:13:45,155
I think there'll be a lot of people whom
if they tried if they buy a
1733
01:13:45,155 -->
01:13:48,417
duo coming from their sixteen or their
fifteen,
1734
01:13:48,417 -->
01:13:50,499
like they're gonna be like, what in the
world?
1735
01:13:50,499 -->
01:13:54,822
Nothing looks right. Like I totally get
that reaction because again,
1736
01:13:54,822 -->
01:13:58,886
the entire internet is made for the
vertical iPhone form factor.
1737
01:13:58,886 -->
01:14:01,868
But I mean, people are having fun with it.
1738
01:14:01,868 -->
01:14:03,809
I mean, I've been making a bunch of
shortcuts,
1739
01:14:03,809 -->
01:14:06,261
silly ones, like when you open the iPhone
duo,
1740
01:14:06,261 -->
01:14:07,261
it can make a sound.
1741
01:14:07,652 -->
01:14:10,283
And people love that stuff. Even people
that don't have iPhone Duo,
1742
01:14:10,283 -->
01:14:11,453
they're like, that's pretty fun.
1743
01:14:11,453 -->
01:14:12,503
Maybe I want to do it for that.
1744
01:14:12,503 -->
01:14:16,314
And I think that the fact that it could be
a fun device,
1745
01:14:16,314 -->
01:14:19,425
you know, maybe that that alone is it.
1746
01:14:19,425 -->
01:14:21,656
Let me actually this is a a shortcut I
made.
1747
01:14:21,656 -->
01:14:23,516
If you want to have your iPhone duo,
1748
01:14:23,516 -->
01:14:29,418
play a sound. You can do a lightsaber
sound when you open or close it.
1749
01:14:29,418 -->
01:14:33,059
I have the transformer sound, like it's
fun.
1750
01:14:33,059 -->
01:14:36,820
It's fun. But yeah, it's it's not gonna be
for everyone.
1751
01:14:37,584 -->
01:14:39,945
And my word, I should and now I need to
shut that automation off.
1752
01:14:39,945 -->
01:14:43,066
But it has been fun in the last week.
1753
01:14:43,066 -->
01:14:47,088
my word. I don't ~ I'm still undecided.
1754
01:14:47,088 -->
01:14:50,530
So I have a day left to decide when I make
my final review,
1755
01:14:50,530 -->
01:14:52,070
like what I'm actually sticking with.
1756
01:14:52,070 -->
01:14:57,703
And we'll see. I I think the aspect ratio
and the different apps
1757
01:14:57,703 -->
01:14:59,434
not being optimized, that stuff doesn't
bother me.
1758
01:14:59,434 -->
01:15:02,885
The telephoto is the wo is the big choice
that I have to make.
1759
01:15:02,885 -->
01:15:04,306
Do I not care?
1760
01:15:05,332 -->
01:15:07,774
am I willing to give up a telephoto camera
for the next year?
1761
01:15:07,774 -->
01:15:10,357
~ or not? And that that I think is,
1762
01:15:10,357 -->
01:15:13,108
you know, do the smart album trick that I
talk about in my video and just
1763
01:15:13,108 -->
01:15:16,793
see like what is the content I would have
missed if I if I didn't have it.
1764
01:15:16,793 -->
01:15:19,365
So anyway, that's the iPhone Duo.
1765
01:15:19,365 -->
01:15:22,137
Hopefully you go you should go play with
one.
1766
01:15:22,137 -->
01:15:25,050
Just like just just pull up a chair in the
Apple store,
1767
01:15:25,050 -->
01:15:27,432
sit literally sit down at the table,
1768
01:15:27,432 -->
01:15:30,975
just play with the iPhone duo for like two
hours and just see.
1769
01:15:30,975 -->
01:15:31,975
So
1770
01:15:31,499 -->
01:15:32,499
I'd
1771
01:15:33,019 -->
01:15:35,325
be like, listen, you know I just
interviewed Ron Johnson.
1772
01:15:35,325 -->
01:15:36,325
He said it was fine.
1773
01:15:36,744 -->
01:15:38,545
You could say that. David Sparks.
1774
01:15:38,545 -->
01:15:40,215
He said he went to his Apple store for two
hours.
1775
01:15:40,215 -->
01:15:43,437
David was at this apple store for two
hours playing with one.
1776
01:15:43,437 -->
01:15:45,017
So if you go in the middle of the day,
1777
01:15:45,017 -->
01:15:47,458
like when it's not busy, I think you could
do it.
1778
01:15:47,458 -->
01:15:49,106
I'll I'm gonna I visited the Apple store
yesterday.
1779
01:15:49,106 -->
01:15:50,777
I'm gonna about my experience later.
1780
01:15:50,158 -->
01:15:51,158
All right.
1781
01:15:50,777 -->
01:15:53,100
But anyway, all right, that's the iPhone
duo.
1782
01:15:53,100 -->
01:15:55,031
I'll put I'll be posting my review this
weekend.
1783
01:15:55,031 -->
01:15:57,342
~ hope you watch it. Lightning round.
1784
01:15:57,342 -->
01:16:01,504
Anthropic has officially filed their S1 to
go public,
1785
01:16:01,504 -->
01:16:04,505
their IPO. The prospectus.
1786
01:16:04,809 -->
01:16:05,809
You
1787
01:16:04,889 -->
01:16:06,590
know, when a company files to go public,
1788
01:16:06,590 -->
01:16:10,354
to be publicly traded, there's a lot of
stuff,
1789
01:16:10,354 -->
01:16:11,945
like a lot of information that they
release,
1790
01:16:11,945 -->
01:16:16,148
like who makes money in the company and
like how are profits split and
1791
01:16:16,148 -->
01:16:20,402
all that kind of stuff. But there's also
just crazy things in the prospectus.
1792
01:16:20,402 -->
01:16:26,266
I will just this is a poll quote from the
S1 that they filed to go public,
1793
01:16:26,266 -->
01:16:29,329
and I will link the government PDF if you
want to go read it.
1794
01:16:29,329 -->
01:16:34,173
But it says, quote, concerns have been
raised both within our organization.
1795
01:16:34,513 -->
01:16:36,244
And by other researchers, regulators,
1796
01:16:36,244 -->
01:16:38,036
policymakers, and industry participants,
1797
01:16:38,036 -->
01:16:41,259
that sufficiently advanced AI systems
could,
1798
01:16:41,259 -->
01:16:45,532
if not, developed, deployed, and operated
with appropriate safeguards,
1799
01:16:45,532 -->
01:16:46,903
oversight, and security measures,
1800
01:16:46,903 -->
01:16:53,569
pose catastrophic or existential risks to
humanity,
1801
01:16:53,569 -->
01:16:55,991
particularly if such systems are misused,
1802
01:16:55,991 -->
01:17:00,335
replicated, weaponized, or allowed to
operate with a high degree of autonomy.
1803
01:17:00,335 -->
01:17:02,917
So basically, we might
1804
01:17:03,057 -->
01:17:05,265
not be profitable if humanity is
destroyed.
1805
01:17:05,265 -->
01:17:08,165
Just throwing it out there. You wrote an
article.
1806
01:17:07,270 -->
01:17:09,841
I mean, that's true. Well, unless the
1807
01:17:08,165 -->
01:17:09,701
Go ahead.
1808
01:17:09,841 -->
01:17:11,562
unless the robots just continue on
afterwards,
1809
01:17:11,562 -->
01:17:14,272
and we have no idea how profitable it will
be,
1810
01:17:14,272 -->
01:17:15,893
right? Yeah.
1811
01:17:14,465 -->
01:17:15,963
Maybe even more so. Maybe even more.
1812
01:17:16,013 -->
01:17:19,124
I mean, get rid of the humans and there's
just money for everyone.
1813
01:17:19,100 -->
01:17:20,286
Money for everybody. Who needs money?
1814
01:17:19,124 -->
01:17:20,914
Anyway. Yeah,
1815
01:17:20,286 -->
01:17:21,286
Yeah.
1816
01:17:21,034 -->
01:17:27,396
I think the the most striking thing was so
Anthropic was started by Dario,
1817
01:17:27,396 -->
01:17:30,567
Amadei, and his sister, and five other
people.
1818
01:17:30,567 -->
01:17:34,698
There's seven of them. And it's super
interesting because you have companies
like
1819
01:17:35,033 -->
01:17:41,958
Facebook, Meta, whatever, where Mark
Zuckerberg has effectively total control
over
1820
01:17:41,958 -->
01:17:43,057
the voting, not total control.
1821
01:17:43,057 -->
01:17:46,811
He has enough he has a majority control
over the voting shares of the company,
1822
01:17:46,811 -->
01:17:48,892
so he can he can't be fired. He can just
do what he wants.
1823
01:17:48,573 -->
01:17:49,573
Right.
1824
01:17:49,072 -->
01:17:50,633
If the board is like, dude, we're firing
you,
1825
01:17:50,633 -->
01:17:53,055
he can be like, let's take a vote and they
all lose,
1826
01:17:53,055 -->
01:17:54,676
right? And it doesn't matter.
1827
01:17:53,360 -->
01:17:54,659
They all it is automatically.
1828
01:17:54,676 -->
01:17:56,077
So he effectively has control.
1829
01:17:56,077 -->
01:18:02,662
Anthropic is also wanting the they're
creating a F class share for the founders,
1830
01:18:02,662 -->
01:18:03,662
F for founders.
1831
01:18:04,204 -->
01:18:05,675
I think that's what the F means.
1832
01:18:05,675 -->
01:18:10,649
And they would the seven of them together
would have no less than fifty point
1833
01:18:10,649 -->
01:18:13,311
one percent control of the voting shares
of the company.
1834
01:18:13,311 -->
01:18:17,013
So that they would still have control and
then they would be and they're forming
1835
01:18:17,013 -->
01:18:18,484
the company as a public benefit company,
1836
01:18:18,484 -->
01:18:23,908
which means that they are going to have a
there's gonna
1837
01:18:23,908 -->
01:18:29,312
be this trust b board that will also be a
part of like appointing
1838
01:18:29,312 -->
01:18:31,474
a certain number of the board of
directors.
1839
01:18:32,104 -->
01:18:33,975
So to guard the company's mission,
1840
01:18:33,975 -->
01:18:35,776
but then the founders get to pick the rest
of them.
1841
01:18:35,776 -->
01:18:39,377
The whole thing is like anthropic is gonna
be the largest IPO ever.
1842
01:18:39,377 -->
01:18:41,808
If you buy shares, this is not stock
advice.
1843
01:18:41,808 -->
01:18:43,719
Neither Steven nor I know anything about
stocks.
1844
01:18:43,719 -->
01:18:46,090
Like, whatever. I own one share of Apple.
1845
01:18:46,090 -->
01:18:48,381
And it's just because I have the paper
certificate,
1846
01:18:48,381 -->
01:18:49,691
not
1847
01:18:48,537 -->
01:18:49,537
Yeah, yeah.
1848
01:18:49,691 -->
01:18:51,652
because I buy and I'm just literally never
gonna sell it.
1849
01:18:51,652 -->
01:18:54,553
So you don't have to worry about me being
biased because I just it sits in a safe.
1850
01:18:54,553 -->
01:18:56,744
That's the only reason I have one share of
Apple.
1851
01:18:57,853 -->
01:18:58,853
Yes.
1852
01:18:58,205 -->
01:19:01,026
But I just feel like they
1853
01:19:02,114 -->
01:19:05,857
This is not necessarily going to be a good
deal for investors if
1854
01:19:06,097 -->
01:19:11,881
the company starts making decisions about
safety and whatever that
1855
01:19:11,881 -->
01:19:15,123
are like just imagine the conflict between
we should productize this
1856
01:19:15,123 -->
01:19:16,123
and market it and they're like,
1857
01:19:15,979 -->
01:19:17,985
No, because it could destroy humanity and
then they're like,
1858
01:19:17,985 -->
01:19:20,947
No, we should do it because you have an
obligation to be make us money.
1859
01:19:20,947 -->
01:19:22,038
You're putting money
1860
01:19:21,499 -->
01:19:22,499
Rise.
1861
01:19:22,038 -->
01:19:25,070
into this company with essentially no
control over the outcome.
1862
01:19:25,070 -->
01:19:29,093
And I just that's just weird. And I don't
understand why investors continue
1863
01:19:29,093 -->
01:19:30,154
to do this, Steven.
1864
01:19:31,528 -->
01:19:33,718
Well they keep investing in companies that
might end us.
1865
01:19:34,005 -->
01:19:35,076
No, well, there's that.
1866
01:19:36,577 -->
01:19:39,899
This seems to be the first one though that
you can invest in that might end us.
1867
01:19:39,899 -->
01:19:43,382
No, investing in companies where they're
like,
1868
01:19:43,382 -->
01:19:47,304
yes, founders, it's cool. You can have
total control.
1869
01:19:47,304 -->
01:19:48,304
We think it's a
1870
01:19:47,720 -->
01:19:48,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1871
01:19:48,265 -->
01:19:54,259
good idea for people who have a different
set of incentives than these stockholders
1872
01:19:54,259 -->
01:19:56,851
to have effective control over the
direction of a company.
1873
01:19:56,851 -->
01:20:00,714
I don't think any company should exist
that the board of directors can't fire
1874
01:20:00,714 -->
01:20:01,714
the CEO.
1875
01:20:01,702 -->
01:20:03,353
Hmm, right.
1876
01:20:02,774 -->
01:20:03,774
I just don't th I just
1877
01:20:03,476 -->
01:20:05,131
don't think that that's a terrible idea.
1878
01:20:05,131 -->
01:20:06,404
It's we've
1879
01:20:05,863 -->
01:20:06,863
Right.
1880
01:20:06,404 -->
01:20:08,961
seen it over and over again. It's just a
terrible idea.
1881
01:20:08,961 -->
01:20:09,961
And I
1882
01:20:09,382 -->
01:20:10,382
And I guess the
1883
01:20:09,853 -->
01:20:13,303
only AI company set up like that is Google
right now,
1884
01:20:13,303 -->
01:20:14,303
maybe?
1885
01:20:14,626 -->
01:20:18,019
Well, Google's founders have like an
outsized control.
1886
01:20:18,019 -->
01:20:22,103
They have more voting power than they have
economic shares,
1887
01:20:22,103 -->
01:20:24,015
but I don't believe they have total
control.
1888
01:20:24,015 -->
01:20:26,267
I don't I mean, I don't believe they have
majority control,
1889
01:20:26,267 -->
01:20:27,267
I should say.
1890
01:20:26,972 -->
01:20:30,664
Right. Whereas like OpenAI, Anthropic and
Meta,
1891
01:20:30,664 -->
01:20:31,664
they do.
1892
01:20:31,436 -->
01:20:32,436
Well, I
1893
01:20:31,646 -->
01:20:34,548
mean open AI's open AI's private.
1894
01:20:34,548 -->
01:20:36,489
Right. So like they're not a
1895
01:20:35,802 -->
01:20:36,802
Right, right, right,
1896
01:20:36,489 -->
01:20:39,281
public company and so who the heck even
knows what's happening over there?
1897
01:20:39,281 -->
01:20:41,672
Because Sam Altman apparently has no
shares of open AI,
1898
01:20:41,672 -->
01:20:44,454
but yet he got fired one day and then they
rehired him the next day.
1899
01:20:44,454 -->
01:20:46,615
So I feel like he has control.
1900
01:20:45,030 -->
01:20:48,793
Right. I think he does. I think he does.
1901
01:20:46,615 -->
01:20:49,997
I don't know. Like it just seems like he's
in charge over there and more
1902
01:20:48,793 -->
01:20:50,298
Yes. Yes.
1903
01:20:49,997 -->
01:20:52,348
in charge than ever. And Meta definitely
1904
01:20:52,348 -->
01:20:54,833
Mark Zuckerberg like gets up in the
morning and he's like,
1905
01:20:54,833 -->
01:20:57,982
Whoop he's like, What shall we do today?
1906
01:20:59,432 -->
01:21:02,521
What am I gonna tell Adam Lusseri to
change about Instagram today?
1907
01:21:00,450 -->
01:21:02,884
W which knob
1908
01:21:02,884 -->
01:21:05,147
am I going to turn today?
1909
01:21:04,583 -->
01:21:05,583
Yes.
1910
01:21:05,147 -->
01:21:08,802
The engagement knob, the put muse
somewhere else knob,
1911
01:21:07,879 -->
01:21:08,879
No, I just
1912
01:21:08,802 -->
01:21:11,766
the upload Jason's DMs knob
1913
01:21:12,108 -->
01:21:14,300
I just imagine now it's like we're getting
up in his bedroom and there's
1914
01:21:14,300 -->
01:21:18,172
two big knobs on the wall. One is AI slop
and one is muse,
1915
01:21:18,172 -->
01:21:21,681
like just how much muse? Over eagerness.
1916
01:21:19,806 -->
01:21:20,806
Over eagerness.
1917
01:21:21,681 -->
01:21:23,756
And he just decides like am I gonna turn
it this way or that way every
1918
01:21:23,510 -->
01:21:24,510
I
1919
01:21:23,756 -->
01:21:24,756
morning?
1920
01:21:23,851 -->
01:21:26,558
I actually almost wrote an arc article
about the two knobs.
1921
01:21:26,558 -->
01:21:29,304
Maybe I should. There's engagement and
over eagerness.
1922
01:21:27,827 -->
01:21:29,961
Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah,
1923
01:21:29,961 -->
01:21:32,586
yeah. Just I think so. Just decides to
crank it.
1924
01:21:32,586 -->
01:21:35,181
Yeah. So it'll well, this'll be
interesting.
1925
01:21:35,181 -->
01:21:37,946
I mean, this is I don't know if
unprecedented is the word.
1926
01:21:37,946 -->
01:21:38,946
I this is like
1927
01:21:38,742 -->
01:21:40,602
It's definitely not unprecedented because
well,
1928
01:21:40,602 -->
01:21:42,324
the size of the thing is unprecedented.
1929
01:21:42,448 -->
01:21:43,448
Right.
1930
01:21:43,085 -->
01:21:47,448
The structure is unprecedented because
we've never had one of these companies,
1931
01:21:47,448 -->
01:21:49,549
peer play companies, come to the market,
1932
01:21:49,549 -->
01:21:54,152
which is this big. It is not unprecedented
for founders to be like,
1933
01:21:54,152 -->
01:21:57,935
Yeah, you can you can buy shares in my
company and give me money to spend however
1934
01:21:57,935 -->
01:21:59,336
I want, but you can't tell me what to do.
1935
01:21:58,536 -->
01:22:00,012
Sure. Right, right.
1936
01:21:59,336 -->
01:22:00,336
And it's a good
1937
01:22:00,156 -->
01:22:02,578
gig if you can get it. I just don't think
we should be doing it.
1938
01:22:03,462 -->
01:22:07,765
Right. I will also link I don't know if
you have you s been listening
1939
01:22:07,765 -->
01:22:11,134
to like the Kevin Roos ~ podcast that he's
been on and stuff.
1940
01:22:11,134 -->
01:22:12,558
He was on Decoder and The Verge.
1941
01:22:11,991 -->
01:22:12,991
I gotta read his book.
1942
01:22:13,172 -->
01:22:17,442
You gotta read his book. I will also link
~ the new podcast that he's doing with
1943
01:22:17,442 -->
01:22:21,524
Casey Newton, Machine Gods. And I started
listening to this.
1944
01:22:21,524 -->
01:22:25,727
They were previously at the New York Times
and they've left and
1945
01:22:25,727 -->
01:22:26,948
now they started this new podcast,
1946
01:22:26,948 -->
01:22:29,460
Machine Gods, in partnership with NPR,
1947
01:22:29,460 -->
01:22:32,772
which is interesting. but you can listen
to that if you wanna like
1948
01:22:33,030 -->
01:22:36,543
really get in deep on the AI, what's
happening,
1949
01:22:36,543 -->
01:22:40,838
this anthropic IPO. Like you just want to
hear the all the AI news,
1950
01:22:40,838 -->
01:22:43,651
like this is probably a good show to s
follow.
1951
01:22:43,651 -->
01:22:46,353
And I started following it and we'll be
listening.
1952
01:22:46,353 -->
01:22:50,277
It is some of it is very like deep in the
weeds about the AI stuff.
1953
01:22:50,277 -->
01:22:52,099
But if you really want to learn about that
and hear about it.
1954
01:22:52,099 -->
01:22:55,262
And the book that Kevin Roos wrote was
what is the name of the book?
1955
01:22:55,262 -->
01:22:56,764
I bought it on Apple Books.
1956
01:22:57,690 -->
01:23:02,379
I don't know, but I think that the he told
Ne Lai that like one of the
1957
01:23:01,842 -->
01:23:02,842
I could
1958
01:23:02,580 -->
01:23:06,066
headline ideas was like F that guy or
something like that.
1959
01:23:05,676 -->
01:23:07,597
He could have made the title of the book F
that guy.
1960
01:23:08,557 -->
01:23:10,948
The book is called The AGI Chronicles,
1961
01:23:10,948 -->
01:23:11,948
and I started listening
1962
01:23:11,115 -->
01:23:12,115
Yes.
1963
01:23:11,809 -->
01:23:13,359
to the audiobook by Kevin Roos.
1964
01:23:13,359 -->
01:23:16,260
And I'm gonna link that in top five tech
tomorrow.
1965
01:23:16,260 -->
01:23:18,181
But if you really want to get into all of
it,
1966
01:23:18,181 -->
01:23:19,922
those podcasts are out there. They exist,
1967
01:23:19,922 -->
01:23:21,812
if you wanna if you wanna do that.
1968
01:23:21,812 -->
01:23:23,616
Fall down that rabbit hole. All right,
1969
01:23:23,616 -->
01:23:24,904
this is supposed to be lightning round,
1970
01:23:24,904 -->
01:23:28,105
my bad. This is ~ Lightning Round Part 2,
1971
01:23:28,105 -->
01:23:33,647
part dose. The Microsoft is offering
buyouts to over 60,000 employees,
1972
01:23:33,647 -->
01:23:34,728
and
1973
01:23:35,785 -->
01:23:37,516
You it's either gonna be layoffs or get
bought out,
1974
01:23:37,516 -->
01:23:38,637
I think, is probably the word.
1975
01:23:38,637 -->
01:23:40,388
But they also had like great earnings.
1976
01:23:40,388 -->
01:23:43,319
~ profitability and revenue was up for
Microsoft.
1977
01:23:43,319 -->
01:23:47,352
So interesting times. I assume they're
just trying to cut costs.
1978
01:23:47,352 -->
01:23:50,013
AI. Is AI a part you think A AI a part of
it?
1979
01:23:50,013 -->
01:23:54,106
Like, sure. Yeah.
1980
01:23:52,534 -->
01:23:54,156
It's hard to say. I mean,
1981
01:23:54,156 -->
01:23:57,359
it might it's Microsoft, man, it's a big
company.
1982
01:23:57,359 -->
01:24:02,254
I I like sat down to I should write about
this and I'm like this is
1983
01:24:02,254 -->
01:24:05,827
the most boring set of layoffs I've ever
even heard of 'cause I don't even know
like
1984
01:24:05,827 -->
01:24:08,450
what I don't even fully get what's
happening here.
1985
01:24:08,688 -->
01:24:10,029
It's har yeah, it's hard to ascertain.
1986
01:24:10,029 -->
01:24:12,870
~ feel bad, you know, all the people that
would be getting layoffs
1987
01:24:12,870 -->
01:24:15,432
or taking buyouts, you know, sorry for for
that.
1988
01:24:15,432 -->
01:24:17,073
It's also seems to be a trend,
1989
01:24:17,073 -->
01:24:21,495
just as the growing AI is AI efficacy of
all these businesses,
1990
01:24:21,495 -->
01:24:24,816
it's like what positions can be cut and so
yeah.
1991
01:24:24,816 -->
01:24:26,688
So that's Microsoft. And lastly,
1992
01:24:26,688 -->
01:24:30,720
Amazon, while Apple is doing their wild
touchscreen MacBook event,
1993
01:24:30,720 -->
01:24:32,481
they threw out some new shows,
1994
01:24:32,481 -->
01:24:35,083
Echo Shows. I don't know, you wrote an
article,
1995
01:24:35,083 -->
01:24:36,173
I'm gonna put your article in the show
notes.
1996
01:24:36,173 -->
01:24:37,173
Can you tell me about the shows?
1997
01:24:36,790 -->
01:24:37,790
Well, I didn't
1998
01:24:37,024 -->
01:24:38,024
'Cause I
1999
01:24:37,731 -->
01:24:39,363
I didn't write an article yet about this,
2000
01:24:39,363 -->
01:24:42,716
about Amazon stuff. I I will probably
write an article,
2001
01:24:42,716 -->
01:24:47,511
but they definitely like g Amazon has
released almost as many well actually
2002
01:24:47,511 -->
01:24:51,104
way more things this fall than even Apple
has released this fall.
2003
01:24:50,308 -->
01:24:52,921
They do the new Kindles and ~ yeah.
2004
01:24:51,104 -->
01:24:53,377
Yes, they did a whole
2005
01:24:53,377 -->
01:24:57,091
event for that and then and it seems like
I can't quite tell,
2006
01:24:57,091 -->
01:25:00,344
you tell me. It seems like they had an
event.
2007
01:25:02,146 -->
01:25:04,741
didn't tell anyone and you weren't allowed
to report at the event and then there
2008
01:25:04,741 -->
01:25:07,886
was an abar an embargo on the event
because everybody's stuff dropped
2009
01:25:07,886 -->
01:25:10,120
at the same time, but I didn't feel like
reading this.
2010
01:25:10,120 -->
01:25:12,164
It happened the same day that all the
stuff came out.
2011
01:25:12,164 -->
01:25:13,164
Am I crazy?
2012
01:25:13,585 -->
01:25:16,246
It was weird. I the one again,
2013
01:25:16,246 -->
01:25:19,506
I just saw like the The Verge cover it and
then I saw Quinn Nelson,
2014
01:25:19,506 -->
01:25:22,807
big YouTuber, love his stuff. He had
2015
01:25:22,200 -->
01:25:23,200
Snazzy Labs.
2016
01:25:23,528 -->
01:25:27,389
Snazzy Labs. He had like a partnership
reel with the Amazon stuff and
2017
01:25:27,389 -->
01:25:28,867
he was just talking about all the Amazon
stuff.
2018
01:25:28,867 -->
01:25:32,580
And I'm like, this is the most bizarre
like I don't know if Amazon was like,
2019
01:25:32,580 -->
01:25:35,921
We want to pay a few influencers a ton of
money to post this while Apple
2020
01:25:35,921 -->
01:25:39,485
is posting their stuff because I don't
know.
2021
01:25:39,020 -->
01:25:41,231
Yeah. Well, but
2022
01:25:39,485 -->
01:25:41,122
Like it was it was strange. It was
strange.
2023
01:25:41,231 -->
01:25:46,163
the one thing they did so Pan Panospinae's
thing is like AI
2024
01:25:46,163 -->
01:25:48,034
is great everywhere except for in the
home.
2025
01:25:48,034 -->
01:25:50,435
Which I think you could argue argue that's
probably true.
2026
01:25:49,650 -->
01:25:51,268
Sure. Sure, sure.
2027
01:25:50,435 -->
01:25:51,465
And
2028
01:25:51,465 -->
01:25:53,256
so they released an Echo Studio,
2029
01:25:53,256 -->
01:25:55,717
which is their high end speaker.
2030
01:25:55,717 -->
01:25:57,718
Like it meant it's meant to compete with a
home pod,
2031
01:25:56,102 -->
01:26:00,530
Yeah. Right. Right.
2032
01:25:57,718 -->
01:25:59,778
but now there's like a camera in it,
2033
01:25:59,778 -->
01:26:00,778
which I mean
2034
01:26:00,659 -->
01:26:02,220
every speaker should just have a camera in
it,
2035
01:26:02,220 -->
01:26:04,110
of course. I mean, that's obvious.
2036
01:26:04,110 -->
01:26:06,601
But I'm kidding. But the point is
2037
01:26:05,958 -->
01:26:06,958
Yes, yes.
2038
01:26:06,601 -->
01:26:08,142
they want to be able to
2039
01:26:09,026 -->
01:26:11,806
essentially know everything that's
happening in your house because that
2040
01:26:11,806 -->
01:26:12,848
way you could walk up to and be like,
2041
01:26:12,848 -->
01:26:16,512
which we need more of this cereal because
of course the Amazon everything's about
2042
01:26:16,512 -->
01:26:18,514
shopping. So you can just hold up the box
of cereal.
2043
01:26:18,514 -->
01:26:21,917
In the past the only things with camera
were the things that have screens.
2044
01:26:21,917 -->
01:26:25,790
But now you're gonna have these really
nice speakers sitting somewhere
2045
01:26:25,790 -->
01:26:26,790
and they have a camera in them.
2046
01:26:26,783 -->
01:26:27,902
I just think that feels weird.
2047
01:26:29,110 -->
01:26:30,897
You think the Echo Studio speakers have
2048
01:26:30,444 -->
01:26:31,444
Yeah.
2049
01:26:30,897 -->
01:26:31,897
a camera?
2050
01:26:31,696 -->
01:26:36,242
The Echo Studio speaker. Now you're just
looking at a thing about the Echo Show.
2051
01:26:36,006 -->
01:26:37,006
I look at what they got show.
2052
01:26:36,242 -->
01:26:37,242
You gotta look
2053
01:26:37,044 -->
01:26:38,635
at the thing about the Echo Studio.
2054
01:26:39,565 -->
01:26:41,154
I don't want a camera in my speaker.
2055
01:26:41,804 -->
01:26:42,875
Yeah, y Jay Peters
2056
01:26:42,875 -->
01:26:46,086
wrote this for The Verge. I'll I gotta
slack it to you so that you can be up
2057
01:26:46,086 -->
01:26:49,688
to n up to speed, but yeah. I'm sorry.
2058
01:26:46,684 -->
01:26:47,836
Well I'm not we're not in a Slack,
2059
01:26:47,836 -->
01:26:49,268
so I'm not sure who you're sending it to.
2060
01:26:49,268 -->
01:26:53,245
I see.
2061
01:26:49,688 -->
01:26:52,660
I'm gonna text it to you. I don't know why
I said slack.
2062
01:26:52,660 -->
01:26:54,010
That's just what the
2063
01:26:53,245 -->
01:26:54,245
I yes, I got
2064
01:26:54,010 -->
01:26:57,202
podcasters say. They just say th we all
slack that over to you right now.
2065
01:26:56,004 -->
01:26:57,318
I yeah. I
2066
01:26:57,318 -->
01:26:59,163
got your s I got your Slack by I message.
2067
01:26:59,163 -->
01:27:00,163
I got it here.
2068
01:27:00,159 -->
01:27:01,159
Yeah,
2069
01:27:00,410 -->
01:27:02,383
I just have this Claude'll take care of
it.
2070
01:27:02,383 -->
01:27:07,773
It's fine. Claude, find that Slack message
I just sent Steven and send it to him via
2071
01:27:02,928 -->
01:27:04,772
Yeah, Claude Duet. Send this, send this.
2072
01:27:04,772 -->
01:27:07,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, got it.
2073
01:27:07,773 -->
01:27:08,773
messages.
2074
01:27:08,602 -->
01:27:10,567
New Echo Studio has it. Yeah, don't like
that at all.
2075
01:27:10,567 -->
01:27:11,567
No.
2076
01:27:11,346 -->
01:27:12,707
Yeah. And then they do have like
2077
01:27:11,971 -->
01:27:12,971
No thanks.
2078
01:27:12,707 -->
01:27:16,608
a echo sleep. It's like basically one of
their or echo clock or something.
2079
01:27:16,608 -->
01:27:21,090
It's basically an echo dot with you know
they did the one with the LEDs in it.
2080
01:27:21,090 -->
01:27:22,090
Now they
2081
01:27:21,384 -->
01:27:22,384
Yeah.
2082
01:27:21,791 -->
01:27:23,491
just did one the whole face is a clock.
2083
01:27:23,491 -->
01:27:24,772
And you can get a kid's version,
2084
01:27:24,772 -->
01:27:28,344
of course, because everything has to have
a kid's version and it has fun faces
2085
01:27:28,344 -->
01:27:29,394
on it and it's just a clock.
2086
01:27:30,502 -->
01:27:32,714
Here's the thing. I want to care,
2087
01:27:32,714 -->
01:27:36,227
but I will just point to the Verge's most
popular top five articles
2088
01:27:36,227 -->
01:27:38,338
in the right-hand sidebar. Number one,
2089
01:27:38,338 -->
01:27:39,839
Apple's Touchscreen MacBook Pro.
2090
01:27:39,839 -->
01:27:41,781
Number two, Apple's Pro Intel Event.
2091
01:27:41,781 -->
01:27:43,432
Number three, Touchscreen MacBook Pro.
2092
01:27:43,432 -->
01:27:45,104
Number four, touchscreen MacBook Pro.
2093
01:27:45,104 -->
01:27:49,847
Number five, iPad Mini. Even the iPad Mini
is still two,
2094
01:27:49,847 -->
01:27:53,971
three days later, more popular than
whatever Amazon is doing over here.
2095
01:27:53,971 -->
01:27:58,274
Listen, I bought an Echo Show to compare
to the home view whenever I
2096
01:27:58,274 -->
01:27:59,274
get to review the home view.
2097
01:27:59,793 -->
01:28:00,793
So
2098
01:27:59,943 -->
01:28:01,447
I will I will have thoughts come then,
2099
01:28:01,447 -->
01:28:03,652
but yeah, okay, camera and a speaker.
2100
01:28:03,652 -->
01:28:04,652
Sure.
2101
01:28:05,164 -->
01:28:06,668
Yeah, they want to know what's going on in
your house.
2102
01:28:06,981 -->
01:28:11,470
Yeah, that d don't. Now, if you can look
at my paper towels and just order some
when
2103
01:28:11,470 -->
01:28:14,976
I'm low, maybe that. Yeah,
2104
01:28:13,120 -->
01:28:14,392
I don't think I want it to do that.
2105
01:28:14,392 -->
01:28:15,454
I think if I
2106
01:28:14,976 -->
01:28:15,976
maybe not.
2107
01:28:15,454 -->
01:28:20,241
I think to hold up a box of cereal and say
we need more Cheerios is maybe fine.
2108
01:28:20,241 -->
01:28:24,207
But you know what I never do? I never
order Cheerios from Amazon.
2109
01:28:24,207 -->
01:28:26,571
Right? I just go to Kroger
2110
01:28:25,093 -->
01:28:26,093
No, I don't know what she is.
2111
01:28:26,571 -->
01:28:28,433
and we just buy the Cheerios. It's fine.
2112
01:28:28,507 -->
01:28:30,808
That's it that's it. ~ yeah. Yeah.
2113
01:28:30,808 -->
01:28:33,202
Do you remember the Amazon dash buttons?
2114
01:28:32,950 -->
01:28:34,411
Yes, that was insane.
2115
01:28:33,202 -->
01:28:34,202
Did you?
2116
01:28:34,674 -->
01:28:37,577
I had like four of ~ A, they never worked.
2117
01:28:37,577 -->
01:28:38,759
Like it the
2118
01:28:38,306 -->
01:28:39,306
The problem is
2119
01:28:38,846 -->
01:28:41,858
if they do work, your toddler gets a hold
of them and suddenly the Amazon
2120
01:28:41,858 -->
01:28:44,650
guy brings four hundred and fifty boxes of
toilet paper.
2121
01:28:44,539 -->
01:28:46,328
A pallet of toilet paper.
2122
01:28:44,650 -->
01:28:46,431
You
2123
01:28:46,431 -->
01:28:48,923
thought the reason no one could buy toilet
paper in twenty twenty
2124
01:28:48,923 -->
01:28:51,665
is because of COVID, but it was really
because these buttons were out there
2125
01:28:49,947 -->
01:28:52,858
No, no, no, it's Dash. That was it.
2126
01:28:51,665 -->
01:28:55,438
in the wild. They're they're all at one
guy's house.
2127
01:28:52,858 -->
01:28:55,819
They were if you didn't remember the
Amazon the
2128
01:28:55,819 -->
01:28:59,060
Amazon Dash button, they were a single
button attached to a single product that
when
2129
01:28:59,060 -->
01:29:00,290
you click it, it would just order it.
2130
01:29:00,290 -->
01:29:04,001
The problem is you can search for like
Angel Soft toilet paper and there's like
2131
01:29:04,001 -->
01:29:07,412
a thousand products. Sometimes it's Angel
toilet paper,
2132
01:29:07,412 -->
01:29:10,113
but it's out of stock. Sometimes it's a
slightly different version,
2133
01:29:10,113 -->
01:29:13,904
like ~ but it's in stock. And so having it
attached to a single product like just
2134
01:29:13,904 -->
01:29:15,414
didn't work. So they don't do that
anymore.
2135
01:29:15,414 -->
01:29:17,775
But anyway. All right. Personal tech.
2136
01:29:18,224 -->
01:29:19,224
Right
2137
01:29:18,394 -->
01:29:21,105
before we started recording, I got the
email that I'm off the wait list
2138
01:29:21,305 -->
01:29:24,426
and I'm all into Claude Duet.
2139
01:29:24,426 -->
01:29:27,127
First of all, I know you've been using it
for several days.
2140
01:29:27,127 -->
01:29:30,849
Is there a Mac app or do I just have to
it's on the web.
2141
01:29:28,972 -->
01:29:31,231
It's on the web. It's there is no Mac app.
2142
01:29:31,809 -->
01:29:37,371
Okay. So Claude Duet is the Muse type
agent that Anthropic has launched.
2143
01:29:37,371 -->
01:29:40,722
It is in preview right now. You have to
join the wait list if you want
2144
01:29:40,722 -->
01:29:43,268
to get access. ~ Jason got access a few
days ago.
2145
01:29:43,268 -->
01:29:47,375
I just got access today. And I'm already
trying to tell it to do stuff.
2146
01:29:48,362 -->
01:29:49,362
you
2147
01:29:48,502 -->
01:29:49,644
know, I still have to spend some time with
it.
2148
01:29:49,644 -->
01:29:51,327
But you tell me about Claude Duet.
2149
01:29:51,327 -->
01:29:52,327
What has been your experience?
2150
01:29:51,522 -->
01:29:52,522
Yeah, it's great.
2151
01:29:52,443 -->
01:29:53,964
It's very different than Muse.
2152
01:29:53,964 -->
01:29:58,668
~ it is it is less capable in some ways,
2153
01:29:58,668 -->
01:30:00,469
but that's I think a good thing.
2154
01:30:00,469 -->
01:30:03,542
~ so for ex So
2155
01:30:01,889 -->
01:30:03,301
It's not sucking up your DMs.
2156
01:30:03,542 -->
01:30:08,336
for example, I t think I was telling you
in the pre show about this change that
2157
01:30:08,336 -->
01:30:11,260
Delta made to no longer let you text them.
2158
01:30:11,260 -->
01:30:12,579
They're making you go through the app.
2159
01:30:11,920 -->
01:30:12,920
Yes.
2160
01:30:12,579 -->
01:30:15,902
So I was like, Hey, why don't you figure
the story out for me?
2161
01:30:15,902 -->
01:30:17,303
I want to know when it happened.
2162
01:30:17,303 -->
01:30:19,044
So like did a bunch of research,
2163
01:30:19,044 -->
01:30:20,896
found Reddit posts, found some other
2164
01:30:21,266 -->
01:30:22,807
site that had talked about this,
2165
01:30:22,807 -->
01:30:23,837
whatever, whatever. I'm just like,
2166
01:30:23,837 -->
01:30:25,588
but I can't confirm that it actually
happened.
2167
01:30:25,588 -->
01:30:29,360
I was like, hang on, here's a screenshot
of the message I just got when
2168
01:30:29,360 -->
01:30:32,072
I tried to text it and that's how I know
that this happened.
2169
01:30:32,072 -->
01:30:34,513
And it's like, cool. Conf confirmed.
2170
01:30:34,513 -->
01:30:37,945
I can't add this to the document that I
already created.
2171
01:30:37,945 -->
01:30:41,957
And I'm like, is it too hard? Like are
your fingers tired?
2172
01:30:41,957 -->
01:30:43,688
I don't understand why. As I said,
2173
01:30:43,688 -->
01:30:45,579
why? It's like I don't actually know why.
2174
01:30:45,579 -->
01:30:48,061
I'm just not able to edit that document.
2175
01:30:48,061 -->
01:30:49,986
It's like weird.
2176
01:30:49,499 -->
01:30:50,499
At least it admitted
2177
01:30:50,339 -->
01:30:51,339
at least it admitted.
2178
01:30:51,618 -->
01:30:54,820
Yeah. At least it didn't give me some
complicated reason of why it can,
2179
01:30:54,769 -->
01:30:55,769
Sure, sir.
2180
01:30:54,820 -->
01:30:55,820
but it just was like, I don't
2181
01:30:55,740 -->
01:30:57,701
know. It's just I'm not allowed to do
that.
2182
01:30:57,701 -->
01:31:03,124
It's like, okay, fine. But separately I
was editing something and it
2183
01:31:03,545 -->
01:31:06,306
it just was like, hey, so and so sent you
a Slack message.
2184
01:31:06,306 -->
01:31:07,806
They're waiting for your edits on this.
2185
01:31:07,806 -->
01:31:11,809
I I noticed that this is incorrect based
on this thing and this and this.
2186
01:31:11,809 -->
01:31:13,904
Do you want me to just make suggested
edits?
2187
01:31:13,904 -->
01:31:15,851
I was like, YOLO, just do it. Like,
2188
01:31:15,851 -->
01:31:17,942
go ahead. Just add stuff. I don't care.
2189
01:31:17,581 -->
01:31:20,877
Go for it. Yeah, sure.
2190
01:31:17,942 -->
01:31:19,513
Just do I'm just saying yes to everything,
2191
01:31:19,513 -->
01:31:21,054
Steven, with Claude Duet because
2192
01:31:21,482 -->
01:31:24,424
And so and then I was like, ~ but but then
it also gets a little
2193
01:31:24,424 -->
01:31:27,746
bit confused because like I'm going to the
Vegas Grand Prix,
2194
01:31:27,746 -->
01:31:31,099
spoiler alert, and so I needed I got my
media credentials,
2195
01:31:28,640 -->
01:31:31,971
~ okay. Excuse me?
2196
01:31:31,099 -->
01:31:32,099
so I needed to get
2197
01:31:32,029 -->
01:31:37,513
my flight for that. I also got emails
within like a day of that,
2198
01:31:37,513 -->
01:31:44,258
that I also got my media credentials for
both Abu Dhabi and ~ Qatar Grand Prix.
2199
01:31:44,258 -->
01:31:46,790
I'm probably not gonna go to those because
they're
2200
01:31:46,727 -->
01:31:48,764
I was gonna say you can they're far away,
2201
01:31:46,790 -->
01:31:48,001
all far they're real far away.
2202
01:31:48,764 -->
01:31:49,764
they are far away.
2203
01:31:49,001 -->
01:31:50,001
And
2204
01:31:49,501 -->
01:31:51,312
they're and then we'll see what December
looks like.
2205
01:31:51,312 -->
01:31:57,885
But so it was like, Hey, you have a call
today about this,
2206
01:31:57,885 -->
01:32:03,568
and they want to know also if you would be
willing to moderate this panel
2207
01:32:03,568 -->
01:32:05,849
at Web Summit for the same person.
2208
01:32:05,849 -->
01:32:08,535
Do you want me to go ahead and book those
flights for Vegas?
2209
01:32:08,535 -->
01:32:11,522
I'm like, Vegas is not in, you know,
2210
01:32:11,522 -->
01:32:13,883
that's not Web Summit. That's the Grand
2211
01:32:12,689 -->
01:32:13,785
That's not web submit, yeah.
2212
01:32:13,883 -->
01:32:14,883
Prix.
2213
01:32:14,831 -->
01:32:15,831
Right.
2214
01:32:15,069 -->
01:32:16,069
Also
2215
01:32:15,569 -->
01:32:17,560
the web summit thing is different than the
call,
2216
01:32:17,560 -->
01:32:19,722
even though they happen to involve the
same person.
2217
01:32:19,722 -->
01:32:20,991
I was like so I just respond, I'm like,
2218
01:32:20,991 -->
01:32:22,413
You're confused. And it's like,
2219
01:32:22,413 -->
01:32:25,105
hang on, tell me tell me why. So I did.
2220
01:32:25,105 -->
01:32:26,896
I explained it and it's like, okay,
2221
01:32:26,896 -->
01:32:28,157
these are not the same three things.
2222
01:32:28,157 -->
01:32:30,898
I get it. But so like there was enough
proximity to the things.
2223
01:32:30,898 -->
01:32:31,989
They're both happening in November.
2224
01:32:31,989 -->
01:32:33,260
This call is happening about this other
2225
01:32:32,677 -->
01:32:33,677
Right.
2226
01:32:33,260 -->
01:32:36,165
thing that it was kind of confused about
everything that was going on.
2227
01:32:36,165 -->
01:32:40,066
So it's it's sort of like a toddler
version of Muse where Muse is like
2228
01:32:40,066 -->
01:32:41,425
~ what's the scene in
2229
01:32:42,017 -->
01:32:44,218
Teledega nights where the kids all hopped
up on Mountain Dew,
2230
01:32:44,218 -->
01:32:46,759
right? Like that's Muse, right?
2231
01:32:45,649 -->
01:32:46,695
That's me. Yeah, yeah.
2232
01:32:46,759 -->
01:32:50,681
Where Claude is like a sophisticated
toddler that's not quite capable
2233
01:32:50,681 -->
01:32:53,432
of tying its own shoes yet, but knows that
it shouldn't leave
2234
01:32:53,432 -->
01:32:55,743
the house without shoes because it might
scuff its feet.
2235
01:32:55,001 -->
01:32:56,813
~ That's good. That's good.
2236
01:32:55,743 -->
01:32:57,033
So I like
2237
01:32:57,033 -->
01:33:00,725
it. ~ it is on the iPhone, it is on the
web.
2238
01:33:00,725 -->
01:33:02,826
It does do a weird thing, Steven,
2239
01:33:01,061 -->
01:33:05,433
Right. ~ Okay.
2240
01:33:02,826 -->
01:33:05,527
in in Chrome. And I think
2241
01:33:05,527 -->
01:33:09,689
this is a ~ an iCloud passwords ~
extension problem.
2242
01:33:10,482 -->
01:33:15,424
Every time I type something on the web to
Claude Duet,
2243
01:33:15,424 -->
01:33:17,605
passwords, the app just opens.
2244
01:33:17,605 -->
01:33:21,827
Which, by the way, super disconcerting
when but it has nothing
2245
01:33:21,178 -->
01:33:22,178
Yeah.
2246
01:33:21,827 -->
01:33:24,328
to do. I don't like it's not trying to get
a password.
2247
01:33:24,328 -->
01:33:29,070
It's just there's some in interaction
where that text field must sort
2248
01:33:29,070 -->
01:33:31,131
of prompt the iCloud passwords thing.
2249
01:33:30,405 -->
01:33:32,804
It must be like a secure input field.
2250
01:33:31,131 -->
01:33:34,263
There's some weird thing happening there.
2251
01:33:32,804 -->
01:33:34,371
Yeah.
2252
01:33:34,263 -->
01:33:35,263
So
2253
01:33:34,433 -->
01:33:36,694
on my MacBook Air, I just turned off that.
2254
01:33:36,950 -->
01:33:38,911
website in iCloud Passwords. I'm like,
2255
01:33:38,911 -->
01:33:41,313
you can never give this thing p like I
don't even want you to ask.
2256
01:33:41,313 -->
01:33:42,534
No. Actually,
2257
01:33:41,895 -->
01:33:42,895
Yeah, yeah.
2258
01:33:42,534 -->
01:33:44,276
no, I'm sorry. That didn't work.
2259
01:33:44,276 -->
01:33:47,879
The way I solved this problem is now I'm
only using it in Safari.
2260
01:33:47,879 -->
01:33:50,140
Because in Safari it wasn't causing this
problem.
2261
01:33:48,826 -->
01:33:50,811
Okay. It was gonna okay, okay.
2262
01:33:50,140 -->
01:33:52,602
So it's clearly a chloma chrome extension
problem.
2263
01:33:50,811 -->
01:33:53,168
Yeah, yeah.
2264
01:33:52,602 -->
01:33:53,602
But anyway,
2265
01:33:53,503 -->
01:33:56,746
I think it's great. I have you can create
different areas.
2266
01:33:56,746 -->
01:33:58,117
So I have like
2267
01:33:57,585 -->
01:33:58,585
Okay.
2268
01:33:58,117 -->
01:34:03,691
a one f for various different things and
you can just chat at it like in
2269
01:34:03,691 -->
01:34:05,953
the in the whole thing and it will create
you little
2270
01:34:06,145 -->
01:34:07,466
Tasks and it'll be Are you done?
2271
01:34:07,466 -->
01:34:08,706
Do you want me to mark this as done?
2272
01:34:08,706 -->
01:34:12,138
But it was easier for me to just
conceptually have these three sections,
2273
01:34:12,138 -->
01:34:13,928
right? It's like, okay, podcast stuff,
2274
01:34:13,928 -->
01:34:16,149
column stuff, whatever. ~
2275
01:34:15,441 -->
01:34:16,441
Yeah, yeah.
2276
01:34:16,670 -->
01:34:19,311
so I like it. I think it's great.
2277
01:34:19,311 -->
01:34:23,833
I would never let it I wouldn't install a
Mac app for it even if I wanted to,
2278
01:34:23,833 -->
01:34:26,634
but I can ask it stuff about my clock
conversations,
2279
01:34:26,634 -->
01:34:28,535
right? It has all
2280
01:34:26,959 -->
01:34:28,378
Right, which is nice. Yeah.
2281
01:34:28,535 -->
01:34:31,940
that context. ~ it ~ it's been super
useful.
2282
01:34:31,940 -->
01:34:33,057
I don't, I didn't
2283
01:34:34,053 -->
01:34:36,385
I did end up booking the flights that I
needed to.
2284
01:34:36,385 -->
01:34:41,498
I did not ask it to do that because it
wasn't Delta's website blocks it.
2285
01:34:41,498 -->
01:34:43,880
Stupid. ~
2286
01:34:43,302 -->
01:34:44,302
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2287
01:34:43,880 -->
01:34:45,641
and so I wanted to book it through Google
Flights.
2288
01:34:45,641 -->
01:34:50,044
And I'm like, no, I don't want you to do
that because I want it booked in
2289
01:34:50,044 -->
01:34:52,086
the in the Delta app. I want whatever,
2290
01:34:52,086 -->
01:34:53,477
whatever. So there's
2291
01:34:53,062 -->
01:34:54,062
Mm.
2292
01:34:53,477 -->
01:34:56,709
some limitations and I will probably use
it for more things.
2293
01:34:56,709 -->
01:34:58,650
But seriously, it keeps suggesting like,
2294
01:34:58,650 -->
01:35:01,512
hey, ~ I suggest this and I'm just like,
2295
01:35:01,512 -->
01:35:02,512
yeah, do it.
2296
01:35:02,517 -->
01:35:04,618
Yeah, whatever. Like let's just see what
happens.
2297
01:35:04,773 -->
01:35:08,765
That's it. So I'm I'm in the midst of
doing that as well.
2298
01:35:08,765 -->
01:35:10,886
So I just I just started it up,
2299
01:35:10,886 -->
01:35:13,748
you know, this morning, downloaded the
app.
2300
01:35:13,748 -->
01:35:19,571
I had a task of Muse r aggregating
2301
01:35:19,571 -->
01:35:23,453
any mentions or embeds of my videos on
websites because I was curious.
2302
01:35:23,453 -->
01:35:25,814
And so I'm now having Claude Duet do that.
2303
01:35:25,814 -->
01:35:29,256
And it already gave me the first report
and it was actually found more than Muse
2304
01:35:29,336 -->
01:35:34,179
for what that's worth. it was like this
French website embedded your post.
2305
01:35:34,179 -->
01:35:35,179
It was like
2306
01:35:34,775 -->
01:35:37,336
~ okay, cool. All right, that's fun.
2307
01:35:37,336 -->
01:35:43,960
~ but because Claude already had access to
my fastmail through Cloud Cowork,
2308
01:35:43,960 -->
01:35:45,080
I set that up like months ago.
2309
01:35:45,080 -->
01:35:48,142
I this is actually really nice.
2310
01:35:48,142 -->
01:35:51,924
I had reached out to a sponsor just this
morning.
2311
01:35:51,924 -->
01:35:54,125
I was like, Hey, you guys gonna pay me
sometime?
2312
01:35:54,125 -->
01:35:59,518
And and apparently I just checked I just
opened Claude Duet the app now
2313
01:35:59,518 -->
01:36:03,300
and it was like, Yeah, they say the
payment is coming before October
thirtieth.
2314
01:36:03,930 -->
01:36:05,671
Which would be today, so we'll see.
2315
01:36:05,671 -->
01:36:08,913
~ but and Claude Duett said,
2316
01:36:08,913 -->
01:36:11,975
the email skipped your inbox and landed in
newsletters,
2317
01:36:11,975 -->
01:36:16,507
which I have an email filter that sends
any emails with the words unsubscribe
2318
01:36:16,507 -->
01:36:18,939
or manage my preferences into this folder.
2319
01:36:18,939 -->
01:36:21,080
And so sometimes emails get caught there.
2320
01:36:21,080 -->
01:36:24,452
And I check it periodically. But Claude
Duet is like,
2321
01:36:24,452 -->
01:36:26,703
Well, the reply skipped your inbox and
landed in newsletter,
2322
01:36:26,703 -->
01:36:28,565
so the confirmation might end up there.
2323
01:36:28,565 -->
01:36:30,826
That's cool. Also
2324
01:36:31,588 -->
01:36:34,820
Something's coming today via FedEx and you
need someone at home to sign for it.
2325
01:36:34,820 -->
01:36:36,861
Like that kind of stuff in my email.
2326
01:36:36,861 -->
01:36:41,003
I might stop going through my folders that
have hundreds of emails
2327
01:36:41,003 -->
01:36:42,803
a day looking just in case for sponsors.
2328
01:36:42,803 -->
01:36:44,264
I'll have Claude Duet do that.
2329
01:36:44,264 -->
01:36:47,426
And that seems useful to me. I'm excited
2330
01:36:47,191 -->
01:36:48,191
Well,
2331
01:36:47,426 -->
01:36:48,426
to try that.
2332
01:36:48,022 -->
01:36:52,481
and it does some interesting things where
well okay,
2333
01:36:52,481 -->
01:36:56,209
one drawback to it, which I understand why
this is the case and I will explain that
2334
01:36:56,209 -->
01:36:58,270
in a second. But so I asked it,
2335
01:36:58,270 -->
01:37:00,712
hey, I think Apple's gonna drop a video,
2336
01:37:00,712 -->
01:37:03,395
presumably about Touch MacBook Pros,
2337
01:37:03,395 -->
01:37:06,117
probably at one PM Eastern. Will you just
let me know?
2338
01:37:06,117 -->
01:37:09,220
Now I was watching anyway, in this case,
2339
01:37:06,586 -->
01:37:08,639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right,
2340
01:37:08,639 -->
01:37:09,639
right, right.
2341
01:37:09,540 -->
01:37:12,362
it said, So here's the deal. I can't watch
constantly,
2342
01:37:12,362 -->
01:37:15,245
but I will set up a schedule to check it
at one one.
2343
01:37:15,528 -->
01:37:18,819
110, 130, 215, or something like that.
2344
01:37:19,237 -->
01:37:20,237
Nice.
2345
01:37:19,979 -->
01:37:23,540
Okay, great. Now, it doesn't watch things
constantly.
2346
01:37:23,540 -->
01:37:25,771
And the reason is, unlike Muse,
2347
01:37:25,771 -->
01:37:28,741
it does not have its own dedicated box in
the cloud.
2348
01:37:28,494 -->
01:37:29,494
Right.
2349
01:37:29,181 -->
01:37:32,802
It does have access to a VM, but when it's
done with the task,
2350
01:37:32,802 -->
01:37:34,100
it just recycles that through.
2351
01:37:34,100 -->
01:37:37,724
And they so they have way fewer of these
VMs and we're like
2352
01:37:37,521 -->
01:37:38,521
Right.
2353
01:37:37,944 -->
01:37:40,034
Meta's just like, whatever, we got money.
2354
01:37:40,034 -->
01:37:42,245
Just give everybody a Linux box in the
cloud.
2355
01:37:42,245 -->
01:37:43,325
It's fine, right?
2356
01:37:43,015 -->
01:37:44,015
Right, right, right.
2357
01:37:43,635 -->
01:37:49,417
So it isn't gonna be good for something
where you have to have constant watching
2358
01:37:49,417 -->
01:37:50,937
of something where Muse does that.
2359
01:37:50,937 -->
01:37:54,008
~ but it will just set up a schedule for
itself.
2360
01:37:54,008 -->
01:37:55,458
And and I was able to say, well,
2361
01:37:55,458 -->
01:37:56,899
first it said, I'll check it at 103.
2362
01:37:56,899 -->
01:37:58,249
I said, could you check it closer to one?
2363
01:37:58,249 -->
01:37:59,819
And it was like, Do you want me to check
it at one?
2364
01:37:59,819 -->
01:38:03,311
I said, Well, no, because if it drops at
one in one second,
2365
01:38:03,311 -->
01:38:05,061
you're not you're gonna miss it,
2366
01:38:05,061 -->
01:38:07,022
right? If it checks it right at one,
2367
01:38:07,022 -->
01:38:08,102
but the per the intern
2368
01:38:07,225 -->
01:38:08,225
Right, right, right, right.
2369
01:38:08,102 -->
01:38:10,193
at Apple doesn't push publish on the
YouTube video,
2370
01:38:10,193 -->
01:38:11,443
you're not gonna get it.
2371
01:38:10,533 -->
01:38:11,533
Yeah.
2372
01:38:11,759 -->
01:38:12,759
Right, right, right.
2373
01:38:12,117 -->
01:38:13,117
So it's like, what about
2374
01:38:12,807 -->
01:38:13,998
one two or something like that?
2375
01:38:13,998 -->
01:38:16,259
I like, Yeah, that's perfect. But anyway,
2376
01:38:15,783 -->
01:38:16,783
That's pretty good. Yeah.
2377
01:38:16,259 -->
01:38:17,259
it's
2378
01:38:16,749 -->
01:38:19,421
good. It just doesn't do real time stuff
like that.
2379
01:38:19,421 -->
01:38:20,421
So also
2380
01:38:19,578 -->
01:38:20,578
Right.
2381
01:38:20,311 -->
01:38:22,062
if you were like, Could you watch for my
flight?
2382
01:38:22,062 -->
01:38:23,583
if the flight price goes down,
2383
01:38:23,583 -->
01:38:25,093
I wanna get a refund, you know,
2384
01:38:25,093 -->
01:38:26,093
price difference or something,
2385
01:38:25,805 -->
01:38:26,805
yeah, yeah.
2386
01:38:26,364 -->
01:38:27,731
it has to set up a schedule. It's like,
2387
01:38:27,731 -->
01:38:28,995
Do you want to check that once a day?
2388
01:38:28,995 -->
01:38:30,226
Should I check on more than that?
2389
01:38:30,226 -->
01:38:33,798
I'm like, I want to check it every fifteen
minutes for eternity.
2390
01:38:33,798 -->
01:38:35,789
No, I'm just kidding. It's like it's so
2391
01:38:34,839 -->
01:38:35,839
Yeah, exactly.
2392
01:38:35,809 -->
01:38:36,809
anyway.
2393
01:38:36,520 -->
01:38:38,401
That's cool. Well, I'm I'm excited to try
it.
2394
01:38:38,401 -->
01:38:41,259
I'm hoping it will ~ f I don't know,
2395
01:38:41,259 -->
01:38:42,943
relieve some of my email stuff.
2396
01:38:42,943 -->
01:38:47,164
And I'm also it's it's been blowing my
mind kind of what Claude is capable of.
2397
01:38:47,164 -->
01:38:51,146
I'm gonna save it for the bonus episode
because this this has genuinely blown
2398
01:38:51,146 -->
01:38:54,728
my mind. I got this from David Sparks and
it is it's wild.
2399
01:38:54,728 -->
01:38:56,949
So anyway, we're gonna go record a bonus
episode.
2400
01:38:56,949 -->
01:38:59,830
I want to talk about my trip to the Apple
store and w some other stuff Claude
2401
01:38:59,830 -->
01:39:02,391
is doing for me. so if you want to hear
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