Low Code is Dead (#71)

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And the first thing he did, it was he created Tetris.
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Yes.
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So I mean, and that's just in a in a one-word document prompt, and he just puts that in there, and then that's able to create uh kind of yeah, uh that game for him in in seconds.
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Yep.
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Which kind of shows you the power of the tools that we have at our disposal.
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Yep.
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So so funny, funny note about that.
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I ran into Ryan later, was chatting a little bit with him about that.
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So he said he uh he at the end they fired off cannons with little with confetti.
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He said they only told him 10 minutes before he was going on that they had the confetti cannons there.
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Fantastic.
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So he said he had to he said he uh of uh he said he he vibe keynoted that end.
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That's fantastic.
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Yeah, it was really interesting.
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Because he left us with be creative, build, and then let's go.
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And then that was really cool.
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Well, the confetti went off.
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So yeah, that was a lot of fun.
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It was a great way to uh kind of kick off the last thing.
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Absolutely.
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Okay.
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Hey everyone.
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Hey everybody.
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We uh We're live here from PPCC, uh Power Platform Community Conference here in Las Vegas.
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Yes.
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Yes, we are.
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Uh and you may you may hear a little bit of uh background noise.
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They're tearing down the community area, but hopefully this will we'll be we may have to AI the sound a little bit.
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Yeah, maybe, maybe.
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Let's let's see what AI can do.
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Yes, right.
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Okay, so we are this is Thursday.
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It's closing day.
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Last day of the thing, it's actually workshops are happening tomorrow.
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I know a few of our community friends have a workshop thing happening, but for the rest of us, we are now officially finished with the conference.
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So what's been the highlight for you?
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Okay, so the three days were amazing.
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Uh did a workshop on Monday with uh amazing Eliza Benitez.
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We just said goodbye to Eliza, she's flying home, so it was good to see her.
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But Eliza.
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Um and uh so that was good.
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And we also did a session on Plan Designer on Tuesday afternoon, which was a lot of fun.
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Um, yesterday, me and a few others played hooky.
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We went to the Grand Canyon, which I think is something we should do at conferences now.
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Like you have an intense couple days and then have a day off in between where you just can relax and chill or maybe go to the pool or go see something, and then back at it today.
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Yeah, maybe that's what we should have.
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A gap day.
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Well, that would be fantastic.
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Yeah, like a part one and a part two.
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Um, but uh I think one of the highlights for me was this morning's keynote.
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Yeah.
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I want to talk a little bit about it.
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Was Michael Phelps, who of course is a five-time Olympic gold medalist.
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And just about his journey about becoming Olympus, the training, he did the intensity, and of course, he also covered things with mental health at the end, which are are things that I'm very I'm very um these are things that are very important to me.
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Yes.
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Um, and what his his speech was like, yes, he's a professional athlete.
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He's been paid, um, he's been in the Olympics for years he trained every day.
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But some of the things resonated with me as I I call myself a hobbyist athlete.
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So I understand the training, the mentality, but he was talking about the things he does, like visualization.
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I do that.
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Yeah.
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I've told you this, and yet, you know.
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But as a way for me to get to sleep, I will visualize the lifts I'm gonna do powerlifting and things like that.
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Um, he talked about that.
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It's sort of okay, that resonated with me.
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And also about preparing for things that could go wrong, about how his coach broke his swim goggles.
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Um, and so he had to swim one day without the goggles.
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And then without the uh and then that helped him in a later event because all of a sudden his goggles filled with water, he still won the gold medal.
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Wow.
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But he said, but because of the the timing and the training of these of these things, and it sort of goes for like to me, it kind of reflects on life.
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Life's not perfect, and we have to sometimes adapt.
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Like, you know, we do demos and things, right?
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You know how it is in presentations, the demos don't go well, and then we have to kind of improvise, and because of you know what we do when we practice, it becomes better.
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And then the other thing too, which really kind of hit me hit home with me about um how he said out of the five Olympics that he did, only one of them he felt he was really at a hundred percent.
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And other times he was at maybe at sixty percent or seventy-five percent.
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And this is something I constantly feel going to these powerlifting meets.
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I'm like, okay, I feel I wasn't at a hundred percent today for various reasons the timing, the food, all the other factors involved, but it's just sort of preparing for that.
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So, anyways, all in all, an amazing keynote.
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Um, it was he was interviewed by Sange Singh, um, who's uh you know senior VP in Microsoft.
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And and incidentally, I did actually bump into Sanga a little bit after.
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So I had a nice little chat with her.
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And but overall, it was I think to me that was a highlight of this event.
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And of course, all the other great content and all the other things, the announcements and everything else was great, but that was sort of the highlight.
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Yeah, and then maybe Christina Aguilera was a lot of fun too.
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Oh, yeah, you like that?
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Oh, that was a lot of fun.
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Oh, that was a really highlight for me.
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And it's this is one of those things, you know, just knowing people here and being able to, so we went up very close to the stage.
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So I got I was so close.
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I was so close to Christina Aguilera, that was so much fun.
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No, and speaking of the keynote, uh, so after Sonia had had that session with Michael Phelps, uh Brian Cunningham stayed to Sage uh to kind of ramp us up for the last day of the conference talking about creativity.
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And he took us kind of back in time to when uh you know the fidget spinner thing was a thing, and he said probably less people in the whole world making power apps than we are here today.
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So this conference had about 7,000 uh attendees, right?
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Roughly, right?
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Um so that tells you something, right?
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So and he said there is this 18-year-old kid who made a fidget spinner in Power Apps and using a feature that they really hadn't intended to keep there.
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It was something that came in with PowerFX that came from Excel.
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They were like, no one's gonna even use this.
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This that this has nothing to do with business applications, but they just left it in there.
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That little thing enabled him to do that, and that just took off.
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And then it kind of brought it back into this today, and announcements around App Builder and Microsoft 365.
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And the first thing he did it was he created Tetris.
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Tetris.
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Yes.
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So I mean, and that's just in a in a one-word document prompt, and he just puts that in there, and then that's able to create uh kind of yeah, uh that game for him and in seconds.
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Yep.
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Which kind of shows you the power of the tools that we have at our disposal.
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Yep.
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So so funny, funny note about that.
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I ran into Ryan later, was chatting a little bit with him about that.
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So he said he uh he at the end they fired off cannons with little with confetti.
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He said they only told him 10 minutes before he was going on that they had the confetti cannons there.
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So he said he had to he said he uh of uh he said he he vibe keynoted.
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That's fantastic.
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Yeah, it was really interesting.
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Because he left us with be creative, build, and then let's go.
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And then that was really interesting.
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Well, the confetti went off.
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So yeah, that was a lot of fun.
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It was a great way to uh to kind of kick off the last thing.
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Absolutely.
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So um any sessions worth mentioning?
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Anything you wanted to highlight in terms of content from from this week?
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Oh, I think like a couple of the big announcements, of course, uh with plans and plan designer, because we talked about it.
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Um, the fact that there's gonna be a code agent in Plan Designer, I think is huge.
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Um the fact that now Plan Designer, of course, creates Canvas apps, creates uh flows, and all the other things, it's also going to create code for us and code apps.
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So interesting to see that.
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I think we're gonna see more at Ignite in a couple weeks.
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So there is an announcement on a blog that we're gonna have in the show notes.
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So definitely check that out.
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Um as you know, one of the the like these are that's probably one of the bigger announcements.
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There's definitely a few others.
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Um, of course, logo, logo changes.
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Oh, yeah.
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Icons, icons, no logo, yeah, icon changes.
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And um uh a few other announcements around like uh agent apps, and I know that's on kind of our list, and I'm always like to me, I always have mixed feelings about like an announcement like that because it's again, it's a case of anybody can build an app or anybody can build an agent.
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I'm like, okay, we've heard this before.
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We've heard this in the 90s with Visual Basics, we've heard this.
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And Power Apps came out saying, oh, if you could do a PowerPoint, you can build an app.
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And then not to say that people have gone on and built apps with those skills, but still there's a certain amount of skills and aptitude that you need to effectively build these apps.
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So now we have these agent apps that you can build part of M365 Copilot that really are only back their data source and makes me.
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Is it a data sort?
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They called it, they called it that.
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And I'm like, oh it's uh it's a SharePoint list on the back end.
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And so to me, it's kind of like, well, this is almost it's not even a power app, it's something else again.
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And I think it kind of conf I think it kind of confuses the market a little bit.
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I get what they're trying to do, and I get the technology, and I also recognize that they're competitors out there that Microsoft needs to address.
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Yeah.
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That's probably the big thing on this one.
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Anyways, I don't know.
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I'm still a p fan of like, you know, build like where power apps is going in a sense.
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I'm not sure how agent the sorry, the this new MIME 365 app builder really I realize where it plays in the story, but I think it's gonna confuse people and they're gonna be focused on that when really they should be starting with Power Apps.
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Yeah.
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And again, it's gonna be another case of, well, we're gonna do it this way because we're gonna save money on it.
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Okay, here we go.
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So anyways, rant over.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, oh of course we do.
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Yeah, a very good time, belly well timed.
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Right, okay.
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So um, because there are now um kind of we feel about pressure, we're gonna go through the list because there was a lot of other uh news and updates this week's as well.
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Not just beyond yeah beyond here.
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So um that was very uh cool.
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So let's dive into the news and updates.
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Yes.
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So and actually this time around, we have a bit of a follow-up thing because a lot of the things that we're gonna share is actually following up from uh last episode.
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So first we start off with Louise Fries.
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This is first, this is new.
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Um, and she talks about how to fix your LinkedIn feed.
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And this is a two-step process.
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These are two different um, there's a one and and a second version of this where she has these document thingies on LinkedIn sharing how to fix your LinkedIn feed.
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And it's all about teaching the algorithm who you are.
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So, and and as most of us know, uh a like or a share, that's not gonna do much.
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But a comment, that's gonna do so much more.
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And scroll past content you don't want to see, and don't engage in content that you don't want to see more of.
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Because what that will do is to just show the algorithm, oh, this key this gets you interested, and they don't see the difference between the bad and the good.
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So um a lot of good tips and tricks from Luis, uh, which I'm adopting slowly myself, because I think that's um and that goes for other kind of uh behavior as well online.
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Um to because these algorithms they do learn who we are.
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So it's also my responsibility to teach them who we are and what we want to see.
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And then you saw something new from uh Daniel?
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Yeah, so this came out today, actually, or he posted it today.
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Um it's about using um uh MCP server.
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So we do we so we are obviously working a little bit differently today.
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It is a Power Platform CLI MCP server, and he created some labs, um created a lab on this.
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So show you how to use it to ask questions of using natural language.
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Instead of having to remember all the CLI commands, and this is something for me, I'm constantly asking the help on the CLI.
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And I have posted at home on my my on my corkboard a list of all the CLI.
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I have a one note that I just copied from, and I have the the copy of the clipboard thingy that I use, and oh yeah, we have so many mechanisms for this.
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So I haven't had a chance to dive into this, but this is something I'm gonna do.
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He did mention to me, because he actually this is the end note, right?
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Because he he he he knows how to work the system a little bit.
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So I saw this.
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I'd already added it to our notes, and then he actually sent me a message going, Hey, look what I did today.
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Yeah, I just thought but he did say something about there's a report.
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He said the links are broken in there for some reason.
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He said, you know, I said, Oh, we're gonna mention the podcast.
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So he said, make sure you let people know that the links are broken, I think, in the report section or whatever.
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So it's hopefully you'll get fixed by the time you look at this.
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But I just wanted to bring that up.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Thank you, Daniel.
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It's very good.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yes, this, because I and I wanted to showcase a new area that I found uh on Microsoft.
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It's not docs, it's called called Work Lab.
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I was doing some research into uh custom um uh custom UI for chats and AI chats, and I came across this site on Microsoft.com that has so many good articles and resources about AI.
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For instance, an interactive quiz, which um questions gives you uh an AI, how do you AI kind of DNA um profile, uh, and so many good interactive uh articles.
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So I just wanted to showcase this whole space.
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Uh, and if this is something that you're kind of toying with, it has a very different look and feel to any other things, Microsoft.
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This is more modern, more edgy.
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I'm more like kind of um honest kind of block colors.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Actually, very much like what Ana does.
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Yeah, is it Ana right this stage?
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Do you have something to do with this?
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No, no.
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Uh no, but it's a very good resource.
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And it actually, it's been a while since I've come across a resource that kind of pulls me in like this.
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Because this actually, it was so good, articles very short and sweet, and easy to go to the next thing.
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And it was so actual and factual and very well researched, and of course, lots of other things.
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So, yeah, absolutely go check that out.
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All right, for sure.
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Yeah.
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Um, so we're gonna dive into a little bit of PowerPages stuff as well.
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Quite a few PowerPages announcements, but also stuff from the community.
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Tino Rabbi, uh, he posted something that says, I think is gonna be a great resource.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because this is something both you and I have fought with a little bit.
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Spent so many hours.
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I mean, come on.
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Yes, I I've heard uh yeah, you rant about some of this as well.
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Yeah, we can just replay those, don't have to take those again.
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Yeah, but basically he built a guide for configuring um uh authentication.
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He it's a uh complete zero to 100% Kickstarter guide to power pages for authentication um for setting up external intra ID.
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I recognize it's not well, you can if you follow the basics, you can get it going, but all the little intricacies in the claims mapping, um, the the different setups, the work, the flows, the MFA configuration.
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So Tino's put a guide together to help us out.
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So I know this is going to be heavily bookmarked for me as we're going forward.
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I have a couple projects that are very uh intense with uh the uh authentication.
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So yeah, thanks, Tino, for another awesome resource.
00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:04.240
And it also calls out something that I think is not often spoken about, and that is that there's often a gap, right?
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So we're PowerPages people, we know that product, but we are connecting to something in Azure.
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None of us are Azure people, really.
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But suddenly it's required of us to have the skill set to navigate, just navigate Azure, just to know what an app resource is, to understand client ID, fight secret, antenna, and all the things you need to know about and to actually dare go in.
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I remember the first time that I kind of, you know, tipped my toe into Azure, I felt such co-coder and scared to ruin and break the internet.
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But but it but he points out that there's so many things we do that when you connect to other applications or we connect to other systems, that there's uh there's a gap.
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And so if you can be the consultant that has the knowledge and the skill set to bridge those gaps, and I think that's one of the things I pride myself on in my career as well, that I haven't I've talked about this before, the fringed uh competency thing.
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And this is speaking directly to that.
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So you come in and you're a power pre-dis consultant who knows how to do this.
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This is a brilliant example of knowing something outside your scope that will enhance you as a as an employee and as a consultant.
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Same goes for Power BI reports.
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I've so many times I've had to set up Power BI reports and to set up that connection and get that up and going.
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And it is very valuable for the customers and not have to always bring in a Power BI consultant at that point, for instance.
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Maybe they come on soon later.
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So that this is I I really like the fact that he's pointing pointing at that directly.
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Awesome.
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Yes.
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Moving along, um, other big PowerPages announcement this week that um kind of took us all uh by surprise a little bit.
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And I actually uh what I saw the team because usually as MVPs, we do get a little bit of an insider-ahead preview of some of these new features coming through.
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What we're talking about is the server logic um from in PowerPages.
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And what it is is uh the ability to run JavaScript securely on the server and having it the ability to interact with Dataverse.
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And uh it was actually our friend Victor Dantis.
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He actually messaged me.
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Yeah, I hit it on LinkedIn.
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He's like, he said, uh guy, has you guys anybody seen this?
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Anyone know what this is about?
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And we're like, no, this comes out of the blue.
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And uh it's interesting enough.
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So it's it's looks like a really cool thing.
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I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.
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I really think it's meant to enable more the single-page applications or the coded power pages.
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I think they're trill trying to kind of nail down an official name for that.
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Um, I saw the engineering team, I saw Dipdy, and I kind of said, like, oh, like any feedback, whatever, like, yeah, why are you holding back secrets from us?
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Because it's like, you know, and she laughed.
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Um yeah, apparently I just she said, you know, I guess they wanted a bit of a she the way she framed it, they still wanted to surprise us with stuff.
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But I also know that I think there was um things might have got released a little bit earlier than they had thought as well.
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Well, now you're giving away state tickets come like that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Anyways, yeah.
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It was all planned this way.
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Yes, this is what it was intended to be.
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Absolutely.
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Okay, so but so I'm not too techy, and the server, the client side.
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Okay, so this for me, this it'll tell me if I got this right.
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Uh, if I want to do this today, I'll have to rely on the plugin.
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If I want to make something happen uh asynchronously and bring the feedback back to the page, because I can fire off a flow and I could do log on the back end, but I can't in PowerPages get that feedback right away or wait for that thing to finish before we move on to the next step.
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Is this gonna solve that specific thing?
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Actually, with Power Automate, it does.
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It is synchronous from Power Pages.
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Not too many people know that, but there is a bit of a delay, there's a bit of a setup.
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It also uses power uh power automate licensing.
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This is something where we have that server logic.
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We can also apply web roles and permissions around that.
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And instead of writing this time, if I'm writing an Azure function, for example, and trying to wrap an API and security and pass tokens and all that kind of thing, don't need to worry about that anymore.
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All taken care of.
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Nice.
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I can call it, I can even run um uh we can even uh have it trigger custom actions within Dataverse.
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Right.
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Fantastic.
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Without having to rely on Power Automate.
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Because in most use cases, when it's a UI sensitive thing, that it takes too long.
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Yes.
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Right?
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And you have to warm it up and it's a bit of a lag, and it creates a not a desired user experience.
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So that's what I was looking for.
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If this is a way for me to fire off some logic and actually be able to just wait for it to finish and then move on to the next thing.
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And that's it.
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And this is gonna clean up a lot of that legacy code that's using Azure.
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Uh remember like uh Azure companion apps, their buddy apps, like Colin used to call them.
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Oh that's gonna eliminate this and make that a lot super.
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Fantastic.
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Also, this is a very welcome change.
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All right.
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Uh again, moving along.
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Um, also the power pages.
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I know we're gonna focus a bit heavy on that, but the ability to strengthen your security with a code QL code scan.
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Yeah.
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Now, again, I haven't dived too deep into this at all, but this, of course, security around PowerPages because PowerPages is exposed to the external world.
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Yeah.
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So this is something that's gonna help strengthen that, identify these things, allow you to fix them and make your site even more closed.
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And then uh even some of the sessions I saw this week from the team, they're talking about already about what they're doing with the web uh web firewalls and the security they have built into PowerPages.
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There's already there was a lot of malicious um attacks, not necessarily attacking PowerPages, but uh in general that Microsoft shuts down based on their infrastructure.
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So again, if you're thinking of building your own website and hosting it on your own, you know, either in Azure or whatever, remember if you build it within the context of PowerPages, you get that whole other security uh ecosystem behind it.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah, no, I talked to Nikita Polekov on the PowerCat team, no, sorry, cat team uh yesterday about this as well.
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And who said this is when you download your site to Visual Studio Code, and then you have this um code QL way of scanning that JavaScript from that as a as a tool, which uh will go span through all the scripts on the whole site to make sure that it's all secure, that you haven't exposed anything you shouldn't, and it's actually just it's it's a buddy, right?
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It's a security buddy on the way when when you're developing because Power recognized Microsoft can only do so much.
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And it this goes for um you know um accessibility as well, right?
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You the product can only be as good as what they deliver, and from the second you open the box, it's on you to make sure that it's secure and it's uh yeah, it meets all the requirements.
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So this is something to help you along those uh lines.
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So, team, accessibility checker is next, right?
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Yes, thank you very much.
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I asked Dipty for the uh the skip first round experience.
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Oh, did you?
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She just said she laughed and she goes, I know, I know.
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Oh, okay.
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So they are aware.
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So yeah, she was really aware.
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She was like, as soon as I said it.
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All right, so guess who's back?
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Back again.
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Yeah.
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Clipp is back.
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Yeah, no, this is uh uh just a post I saw from um from Satina Dela.
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I don't really know what this video has to do with anything, but uh the the general gist of the thing is you remember I talked about the the Microsoft chat, not Microsoft 365 chat, not copilot chat, Microsoft chat for your personal user that you have on your laptop, uh, which has the vision, you can share your screen with it, and it has the little smiley blob thing in the middle.
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Yeah, now you can get the little blobby thing to become clippy with the skin.
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So that's just this news and it's just you know, those little fun little silly things.
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Yeah.
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But who doesn't want clippy, right?
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So yeah, so fun.
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All right.
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Um this was oh yeah.
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Remember like last week, feature requests.
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Yes.
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Matthew Devaney was saying, wouldn't it be great if we could do Fetch XML as a knowledge source in Copilot Studio?
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Well, we saw this week Andreas Adner, who I think we might we might have covered his stuff before.
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Yeah, I know it looks familiar.
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Sounds familiar.
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And Andreas, thanks for the content.
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Um, inspired by that post from Matthew, went ahead and built a system to use uh fetch XML and make it a um something that would get triggered on a knowledge requested uh trigger in Copilot Studio.
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Yep.
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So found a way to solve it.
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It's a bit of a workaround hack uh at this point, but it's nice and it's very cool.
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And we love it when you guys just run with these things.
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It's so much fun.
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Yeah.
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And also by doing this, you also learn a little bit about the ecosystem and how you can kind of configure it to get to do what you want.
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Because at the end of the day, what we do when we configure stuff is that we learn a few tricks along the way to how to work around and to get it to do our bidding, even though that's not what it's completely designed to do.
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No, we we get it to work the way we want it.
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So that's a great thing about hacking some of these things.
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That's how you learn too, right?
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Yes, absolutely.
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Yeah, awesome, awesome job.
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Whoops.
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Oh, did I close the link?
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Yep.
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So do you want to go back to the OneNote and open it again?
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Do do do.
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.359
So now you're seeing Agent by Brian.
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Oh, oh yeah.
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:49.440
So we talked about that Agent Builder.
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Right, okay.
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.799
So that was the post about Agent Builder that we talked about that was announced this week.
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:54.240
So we can skip over that.
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And now we're gonna.
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And then I get to talk about um Lydia's thing.
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Which um she has uh so in the keynote keynote, the first keynote of this conference, they showed off uh some of the new uh co-pilot studio capabilities.
00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:21.680
And then uh in true fashion, Lydia gets up on stage, she creates uh a co-pilot studio agent with all the bells and whistles in under four minutes, and she had time to spare.
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So she had in the background with knowledge sources, with child agents, so many things does she set up in just a few minutes.
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And then, of course, what do you do when you have time over?
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You test.
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So she showcased uh something new called test sets.
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Um, and we have a blog post talking about how to create test cases to evaluate your agent.
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And you can choose from 10.
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We've we looked at this before, we talked about this in the podcast before, where you can choose if you wanted to create 10 questions for you, that it's gonna run every time, if you're gonna um test by data.
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It's all automatic testing because that is what you have to do every time you make a change, and with something non-deterministic like this, you need to make sure that you test it every time, and that over the course of your development cycle, that you see that the majority of the answers you get are okay.
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It's not never gonna be 100%, but at least to the point where you are satisfied with it.
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.279
So thank you, Lydia, for a very good demo.
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Uh, you are just top of the I love seeing your demos.
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I'm just such a fangirl.
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:31.440
Um and and it's funny because uh I I was telling you earlier, uh Lydia interviewed me today about uh about things in the community and things like that.
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And uh I got to I got to pitch the podcast a little bit as well.
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:34.960
Oh, that's really good.
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Sort of mindful.
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She's a supporter of the podcast from before.
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:43.680
We talked with her uh on the community um kind of uh posting on the community channel and LinkedIn as well.
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:44.079
So yeah.
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So awesome.
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Thank you, Lydia, for uh being a fan.
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We appreciate it.
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Yeah, thank you.
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.680
All right, so we're gonna go and we're into the the Yucca, the Yucca Corner.
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.640
Yeah, so yeah, I I just put that in there, and as soon as I wrote Yucca Corner, I'm like, yeah, this makes sense.
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.960
We need a Yucca Corner on the podcast.
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:02.640
And Yucca posts something almost every day.
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And as much as you are a grumpy old man yelling at the cloud sometimes, Yucca, but you always resonate.
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Always.
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:38.160
Um so and this is just a simple post with a very descriptive illustration which says, if being hard on yourself worked, it would have worked by now, which is a comment on how how hard we are on ourselves, um, and how much we are taught that pushing through um is the solution, or it's not always the solution.
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:42.240
Uh, and I encourage you to go in and and read that post and also follow Yucca.
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He's a thought leader in our space.
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Um, and it his post enriches my day.
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So thank you, Yuka, for doing what you do and keep it going.
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Because we need you in this space.
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Absolutely.
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:58.079
So um that was a lot of content.
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And if it sounds like we're rushing a little bit, it does look like they're shut, they're they're tearing down the whole set.
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.000
I think they're actually waiting with this part now just because we're sitting here.
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So we're gonna enable the team to kind of get everything.
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.400
They have to be fans of the booths probably.
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:11.279
Oh, yeah, probably, yeah.
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:12.799
All right, they're gonna ask for autographs after.
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.400
But just quickly, uh um, we're quickly we'll move on.
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:21.920
So we're here at uh Power Platform Community Conference is wrapping up, but they've announced next year roughly the same time.
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:22.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.079
It's kind of right before Halloween.
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.519
So um I hope to be back here next year again.
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:28.720
Um Me too.
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.480
Yeah, but in between now and then, there's one or two things happening.
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.799
Oh conference season is like a full year cycle at this point, right?
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:37.680
But I love it.
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.400
It's yeah, I'm seeing my friends, we're learning new things.
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:41.839
Having so much fun.
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:46.720
Yes, yes, it's so next up for me is Microsoft Ignite in San Francisco.
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:47.599
Looking forward to that.
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:54.960
Gonna be a lot of friends uh there um either participating or doing uh expert uh booths or sessions and that kind of thing.
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:59.359
Of course, a lot of some of the announcements here, of course, this covers the entire Microsoft ecosystem.
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.839
Probably gonna be a lot of big announcements.
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:10.799
And then um things uh I know that there's some other uh there's we don't have it listed here because we're not involved, but the European SharePoint conference will be happening.
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.160
We know a lot of friends will be there.
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:15.599
Uh, I know that there's the the directions is happening as well.
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:16.240
That's true.
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:17.680
I know there's a few of our friends there.
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.519
That's more of the business central conference.
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:26.559
And then finally we flip out, we can take a break and we move into 2026, where it starts off.
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.440
So yeah, this is gonna be a developer challenge.
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.359
This week I have been recruiting team members.
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:31.839
Yes.
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:33.119
I think I've got a few.
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:33.759
Woohoo.
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.000
Um, well, they're kind of interested.
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.440
I've kind of I'm working the I'm working uh couples against each other a little bit.
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:40.640
Nice, that's very clever.
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.759
Yeah, so it's uh I'll uh I'll bring a team together after.
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:50.400
Uh so yeah, I'm I'm hoping to go um and and bring a team and and dive in and uh we'll see what happens.
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.640
But then we're both presenting at Talon.
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Yes, yes, uh, and we're both presenting at uh Color Cloud as well because now we can actually officially tell everyone that we're doing the agent academy as a workshop at ColorCloud.
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This is gonna be freaking fantastic.
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I'm super stoked.
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I'm super excited about that too.
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Uh I I don't know about you, but for me, it's like they actually will allow us to do that curriculum as uh a workshop.
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And I think that's an honor for me to for them to say that, yeah, you guys go ahead and you take all that hard work that we've done and turn that into a workshop.
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:23.920
Right.
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I really appreciate it.
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Yeah, and I think for them too, it's a it's another way because they've done the videos, they've done that.
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But if you're the type of person who's like, yes, I'm gonna get to it.
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:32.079
Yes, I'm gonna get to it.
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.039
Yes, you know what?
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This is your opportunity to actually book a solid day before Color Cloud because I mean it's one of the great, good, great community conferences.
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.960
Yeah, I spent a lot of time with Matt's this week, who's one of the organizers.
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Like he's oh man, the guy makes me laugh.
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.640
Yeah, he's just a bundle of joy and everything.
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.240
Um, so looking forward to that.
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.680
So that way is a perfect opportunity.
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:52.799
So yeah, we're doing that.
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Uh we have a uh cloud tactolin, which is just the part of uh it's like the weekend after Arctic A C D C.
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.480
So that's Kind of part of touring that together.
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:09.759
And then um Dynamics Minds is happening the end of May, which and then following that will be the European Power Platform Conference.
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Yes.
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First to fourth of June.
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Yes.
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And then probably, and then we're looking at Scottish Summit next October.
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Oh man.
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And then uh Power Platform Community Conference.
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Oh, there you go.
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.079
And then we're just then we're just going to full circle.
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There's a full circle, but we'll keep you updated.
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These things are in flow.
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And then the other thing that we didn't mention was Canadian Power Platform Summit.
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Yes.
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Which I'm not speaking at.
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I'm one of the organizers.
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:32.799
Um putting that together.
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That is coming together quite nicely.
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We're really excited about our sessions have been picked.
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We'll be publishing that very soon.
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Workshops have been established.
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:43.200
Keynote has been established, which I am super excited about.
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:44.240
Yeah, you told me about it.
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.200
And overall, it's going to be another great event.
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.160
And then then the day before, there's going to be Dynamics User Group.
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They're doing their event.
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:56.480
So together, it is like I think I said last last uh last episode.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:58.799
It's been a long week.
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Oh yeah.
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.359
It's going to be the unofficial launch to MVP Summit the following week.
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:03.680
Yeah.
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:04.559
Oh, that's fantastic.
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:06.000
We're looking forward to that.
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.359
And I love the fact that we can do a live podcast live or together.
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.680
We hardly ever we don't get to do this very often anymore.
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.119
This is the first time we've done it in a while.
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Since Nordic Summit.
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:17.440
Well yeah.
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:20.480
Live on stage.
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:20.799
Yes.
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:21.599
Also, yeah.
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.039
Okay, it's been a long week, you guys.
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:24.240
Yes, it's clear enough.
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:28.880
Next episode is holy crap, November 19th.
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:29.200
Yeah.
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:30.000
Are you serious?
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.000
Uh you put this in the I did put it.
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:32.640
Am I serious?
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:33.599
Yeah, I guess I am.
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:35.279
This is coming out November 5th.
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.240
Uh this uh this is we're still in October where we are today.
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:39.119
We're still in Vegas.
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.359
We have uh we're going ziplining tomorrow, right?
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:42.000
Yes, we are.
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.759
We're gonna go Superman Ziplaning across, you know, the thrip.
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:47.519
So that's gonna be freaking awesome.
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.200
And then we have Halloweening to do.
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:54.880
Yeah, there's so much fun things going on, and then this will be released on the normal kind of cadence on Wednesday.
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:56.480
So that's gonna be kind of a week after this.
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.319
And I do want to call out a couple people.
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:06.400
Uh Anna Black actually asked me to mention her uh her uh refreshments that she was uh serving all of us uh here this week.
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:07.599
So Anna, thank you for that.
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.599
Yes, thanks for keeping us going.
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:10.960
Keeping us uh hydrated.
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:11.920
Yes, as well.
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:14.079
Uh whatever.
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.000
And then I met a couple other fans as well.
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.839
People come up to me and said, Hey, we're a big fan of the podcast.
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:21.519
Uh, you know, we we love it.
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:26.400
I and you know, one uh gentleman today, and I wish I had his name, he freaked out to me.
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.920
But I you know who you are.
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:28.480
Thank you.
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:34.079
He said he because he said he he tries to get other people in his company and people that are learning Power Platform to listen to the podcast.
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:35.440
We really appreciate that.
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:40.079
So there's a lot of people that came up and said they're a fan, and I no, I uh how about the same thing?
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:59.839
So many good conversations, and also people coming up just to be to say how they appreciate the podcast, and then they go off to tell kind of how they got into the space, and then suddenly they realize no, and and they're having this little issue, and if there's anything we can do to help, it's kind of piggybacking on things that we've talked about on the podcast, which I really like because that's why we're here.
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:11.119
Yeah, it's to kind of keep you up to date on all the little corners and all the little nibbets in our space, and then if if you find something interesting, you latch onto that, and it's up to you to kind of grab it and then go with it.
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:12.160
And that's what they do.
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:16.079
And I absolutely love it and really appreciate all your feedback.
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:16.960
Thank you so much.
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.680
And you've given away all the ducks.
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.480
So now 150, no, 300.
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:23.680
I think it was 300 ducks.
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:32.079
Ducks have now are now traveling to the far corners of the world, and that just makes me feel so incredibly stoked.
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:38.240
I'm like, I guess the question fooling our audience, do you want to see more ducks, or do you have other ideas for other swags?
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.200
So we'll keep it up in the price with it.
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.279
Swag requests, this is what you can do.
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:44.640
Water bottles, anyone?
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.160
No, no one's not allowed.
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:47.359
I know, I know the bottles.
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:48.640
No, no, but just right.
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.160
You can't have any more water bottles.
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:50.880
It's fine.
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:51.200
Cool.
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:52.000
All right, okay.
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.359
We're gonna wrap it up, you guys.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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Uh, and we will catch you next time.
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See ya.
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:57.599
Bye.
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