The Dark Strangler, Every Landlady's Nightmare | Part 2: Earle Nelson | Portland, Oregon

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Every single one of his victims fits the biblical definition
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of a quote unquote strange woman. Women running boarding houses
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or showing properties without the oversight of a man, whether
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they were unmarried or widowed, women who were basically just
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managing their own affairs, Like can you even imagine that audacity?
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The exact demographic he was hunting is the very same
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one the passage warns men to be fearful of. That's
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not scripture. It's a hit list with a theological alibi.
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Hi, Cassie, Hi, Caitlyn, Hi, creepy people. Oh hello, Hey,
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this is PNW Hanson Homicide to where we chat about
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true crime, the paranormal and.
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Lots of spooky stuff in the Pacific Northwest or the
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p and W. If you're nice, nice you forgot to
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say it last episode.
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Oh I know, I forget like it's honestly, it's far
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and feun in between when I actually remember of my
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own accord, It's okay, but you know, I try get it.
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They'll get the nasty when they get it exactly well,
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I'm you know what, They're gonna get it today, and
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they're going to get the long way to tarot reading.
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Because this is parts two and normally we do a
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taro reading in every episode of the show, but this
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particular topic has turned into decidedly a two part, two
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part series, so we are we save the tarot reading
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for today.
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Yeah, yep, so looking forward to that.
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Stick around little something to look forward too, or just.
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Skip right to it. Oh well, just listen to that.
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If all you're interested in is the tarot.
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That would be so interesting if people were like not
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interested in the actual like content of the case, they
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just wanted to hear us read the tarot.
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Yeah, but we read the tarot about technically about the topic,
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so like you're gonna have to know what's going on
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because we will reference exactly.
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Yeah.
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I feel like otherwise it doesn't really make sense. Yeah,
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but you know, do you.
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Unless you're just taking the readings for yourself. I mean
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you could do that too, Yeah yeah, whatever, you float
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your boat man, all right.
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So I'm going to jump in exactly where we.
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Left off to the Midwest.
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Yeah. I was gonna say, I am so proud of
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you for remembering.
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Thank you. It was only like ten minutes ago.
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I know for some people it's been week, but for us,
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it's only been a few minutes. But you know, we
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were known to be a little bit gold fishy.
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So I don't know. Patreon, maybe if you're nice, if
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you're good, if you're good for girls and boys, maybe
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we'll give you two parts at once. Oh you don't
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have to wait.
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Yeah, and there is a Patreon bonus for this episode too,
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So say.
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Good things could be in store, santable see if you're
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on the not on your nice list.
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Yeah, it's too late for Christmas in July, but you
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know it's still summer. Yeah, and as we pick this up,
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we are picking the story up right around Christmas time.
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So, and Christmas is in our hearts all year, don't
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you know?
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Exactly, just like Halloween two days before Christmas. Our not
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so lovely character here he garrotted. Forty one year old
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Almera Berrard of Council bluffs Iowa with a shirt in
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her own home.
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I don't know why I had a physical reaction to
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that word.
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You know, garat is not a pleasant one.
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My body like jumped. I didn't like it.
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No, you know, as it turns out, I don't think
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that anyone does yet again, and I'm not sure I'll
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ever quite grasp how this kept happening. Her death was
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presumed a suicide initially.
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What what?
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it happens in a few of these cases.
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Though I will say of all of the cases where
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this does pop up, it's perhaps the most justified because
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this was due to her recent discharge from a psychiatric institution. However,
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obviously the sexual assault findings would dispel that misguided theory.
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So yeah, I was kind of thinking that last time.
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I forgot to ask, like, it doesn't that did they
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not examine the other bodies that they thought were suicides
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and find like sexual assault? Yeah? I mean, I think
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eventually whether it was theft or that the body was
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examined more closely and they realized there were signs of
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like a struggle or sexual assault. You know, those are
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kind of even back then one hundred you know, one
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hundred years ago as of recording, those things did tend
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to jump out, and it would sort of move them
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in their right direction in terms of the investigation. Thankfully,
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it seems, at least for this killer, a break for
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the holidays, likely for practical reasons alone, was due, though
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it wouldn't last for long. Two days after Christmas, Nelson
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murdered his youngest victim to date at the time, Bonnie
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Pace of Kansas City, Missouri, twenty three years old.
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Wow, that is quite young, yes, compared.
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Yeah, I mean compared to the majority of his victims,
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very very young. The following day, December twenty eighth, while
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still in Kansas City, Nelson marked another horrifying first. He
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killed Germania harpin twenty eight as well as her eight
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month old son, Oh my god, strangling him with a diaper.
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What.
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Yeah, I mean remember at this point in history, like
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you're using cloth diapers too, so you know, the visual
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is different than you know in twenty twenty six, but horrifying. Nonetheless,
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it's just so eerie because like a diaper, Yeah, I
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don't know, it like takes care of the baby, Like
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it's a symbol of like a baby, like it is
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to use that and it doesn't feeling it should be
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a weapon.
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Yeah yeah, I mean, well sometimes some babies do make
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it a weapon, right.
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But right what they're blasting into the diaper, Yeah, like
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that diaper you know, yeah, no, I totally get it,
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but yeah, I mean in this context, it's just very
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it is disturbing. I mean, it's disturbing because obviously it's
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an infant, but then just something about.
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That visual is so unsettling.
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Their bodies were discovered by mister Harpin, husband and father
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to the victims, respectively, when he returned home that evening
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from work.
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Robert is the.
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Only male and only true child victim in the confirmed
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victim list. And I think it was just about opportunity
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most likely.
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Yeah, he was just like in the way.
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Yeah, I mean, he just happened to be there. Still,
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it seems unnecessary to have killed him.
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Obviously, what the he're gonna do? He can't say anything.
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He's not a witness, he's not power to remember this,
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like cognitively, but obviously this is about what he wanted.
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It wasn't necessarily a killing that occurred for any disgusting
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obviously say this, but.
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The worst thought he was probably crying, Yeah, like the.
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Baby unclear like which of them died first. But yeah, no,
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I mean that was kind of the same thought that
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I had, Like you might do that because what you
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don't want is a crying baby potentially drawing attention. Yeah,
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very sad, I mean, and think about that. This is
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three days after Christmas and your wife and it didn't
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say anything else about there being other children in the home,
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So presumably your wife and your only child, your firstborn son,
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are murdered three days after Christmas. Like, I don't know
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how you go on to have anything resembling a normal
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life after that. Following this crime, Nelson went dormant for
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nearly four months exactly, though it's clear that in that
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time he had navigated further east, landing in Philadelphia, where
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he killed his next victim on April twenty seventh of
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nineteen twenty seven, fifty three year old Mary McConnell. He
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stole several pieces of her jewelry, attempting to pawn one
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of her gold watches before being turned away. Though it's
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not exactly clear why the proprietor, Mary ke decline the transaction.
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I'm not sure why she said no, I don't want it.
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That is interesting, Yeah, just an interesting aside. I guess
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maybe because he gives creepy vibes and she's like, this is.
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Clearly a woman's watch or whatever. It was like, yeah,
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I don't know, how did you get this? And maybe
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he couldn't come up with like a good answer.
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I mean, it would be interesting to know more and
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kind of pull it that thread, like did she immediately
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like report something to the authorities, And that's how it
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was determined that like, oh yeah, this is this is him?
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Or is this something that we only learned kind of
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in hindsight, I don't really I.
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Don't have.
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Like that detailed of information on Well, I'm disappointed in you.
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Well, it's just interesting to think about, like maybe it is.
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Yeah, And to be honest, like some of this, even
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if I had tried to kind of like pull at
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these like specific little threads at the case, it's like
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the case is already like one hundred years old, and
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there's certain information that it's just like if it doesn't
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already exist publicly somehow like there, it's unlikely that I
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would ever be able to get that information. You know, yeah,
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if it wasn't already reported in a newspaper or you know,
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if somebody hadn't already yeah, whatever the channel would be.
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It's just now that's kind of lost to time a
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little bit.
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Again.
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In Buffalo, New York, just about a month later, on
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May thirtieth, nineteen twenty seven, Nelson killed fifty three year
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old Jenny Randolph, from whom he had rented a room
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three days earlier under the alias Charles Harrison, her brother
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Gideon Gilley, had met him and described him as about
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thirty three years old with a stocky build, dark complexion,
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and black hair slicked straight back. Yeah, which, okay, I.
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Picture it greasy. That's why I will about me too.
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But to expand on that, and this is like kind
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of one of those moments of levity. Have you ever
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watched the show? I think you should leave. No, there
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is a whole bit that he does about you think
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this is slicked back, and he's talking about like I
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used to splic my hair back all the time. The
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whole bit is about like, oh, yeah, I used to
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be a real piece of shit, slick my hair back.
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And like all of the scenarios are just like so
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silly and kind of outlandish, and they're not all equal winners,
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but that one's a classic. It's a good one. Her
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body was discovered stuffed under a bed. This is Jenny Randolph.
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Fellow border Fred Merritt later positively identified Nelson as Charles Harrison. Ooh,
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there's a lot of people that like, even if they
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weren't directly a witness to the crime, they are witnesses
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that can testify to like this is the alias he used,
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and yes, I can positively identify like this is the
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same man.
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So yeah, because he's so distinct.
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I mean, honestly, yeah. No, and his aliases are not very.
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Clever, but they're better than Clark.
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I don't know.
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Maybe where.
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Nelson had previously seemed to be engaged in an escalating
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spree prior to the new year. His crimes in nineteen
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twenty seven were initially roughly thirty days apart, but good
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things never last. In Detroit, Michigan, on June first, he
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killed two victims for the second time, the bodies of
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fifty three year old boarding house manager Fannie May and
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border Marine Atrothe Her maiden name was Oswald. Probably should
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have just gone with that because the atrothe I'm probably
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butchering it, is what I'm saying. They were discovered by
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the building owner, Leonard Sink as he made the rounds
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to collect rent, which is just I feel like a
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lot more than he bargained for. But two women.
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Mm hm, oh my gosh. Yeah.
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May was grotted with an electrical cord cut from a
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table lamp while the current was still live.
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Holy Jesus, did he get electrocuted.
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I mean one would hope, right, Like we should all
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be so lucky.
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How does electricity work.
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Well, here's the thing. It did work in a unique way,
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in a way that was in the end kind of helpful.
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Investigators determine the knife used to cut the cord would
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show burn marks and a nicked blade. Oh okay, we'll
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just put a pin in that for now.
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I like that.
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Uh huh, I like where this is going. Only that
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particular part.
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But that is so crazy that he like looked around
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the room and was like, yep, that's the only thing
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I can like right, and like planning it in your head. Now,
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these other people don't know what you're thinking, and they
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just think it's a normal day and all of a sudden,
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the cord is cut. Yeah, and you're being attacked.
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It's pretty horrifying, Like it's hard to imagine what would
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be going through your head at that moment.
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I'm never leaving my house again, and no one's ever
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coming in.
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Okay, I was going to say, you know, the thing
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is a lot of these people were in their homes
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or coming in. Yeah, no one's invited over vampire rules. Yeah, exactly.
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You have to be invited.
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Three days later, on June fourth, Nelson strangled twenty seven
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year old Mary Cecilia Sietsma of Chicago, Illinois, with an
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appliance cord. So he kind of goes through like these
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sort of phases where it's like he's he's liking a
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specific thing that he's.
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Finding and using. And I hate that because he does
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it so often.
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Like yeah, like you can tell there's certain things that
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it's like he's like, oh this is interesting, or you know,
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this is I like how this works, or I don't
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want my head to exist in that space. Her body
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was discovered by her husband on the floor of their home.
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Another poor husband.
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I mean, the good news is that we are nearing
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the end of the actual spree. Okay, we're getting We're
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getting We're getting close, sir. Days later, reportedly June eighth
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of nineteen twenty seven, Nelson was crossing the border into
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Canada hitching a ride with the Chandler family of Minnesota, Minnesota.
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They described him as well dressed in a blue suit,
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gray cap, and tan shoes, though he was apparently carrying
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nothing else, no bible, nothing, That's what they said. Another
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motorists later reported giving Nelson a ride further on from Emerson,
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Manitoba to Winnipeg that same day, which is like Jesus
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fucking Christ, there are two people in their vehicle, like
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an entire family in the first one that they are
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so lucky.
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Do you think he would take out like a whole family, though.
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I'm not sure that he would have been able to,
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And I will say that it seems like that is
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probably from both like a physical like because it is
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very difficult for like a single attacker to take out
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an entire family unless they have like just an insane advantage.
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Of course, being confined in a single vehicle is you know,
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one way that you might be able to accomplish that.
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But more than anything, I think psychologically I'm not sure
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that he could have done that, because it really seems
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that in the cases where there are survivors, you see
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that like when he's met with even the slightest resistance
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where they don't do things exactly the way that he
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wants in order to like carry out his mo o,
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like he just leaves. Yeah, so I think he could
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have escalated at some point to that level. I don't
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think that like, oh, he's just not capable of that
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kind of evil.
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He I mean, yeah, he definitely is.
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He he strangled an eight month old baby, like that's
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not beyond him. But I just don't think that it's
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in his nature for other reasons, if that makes sense.
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And was that was there a man in the car too,
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like a like a mom and dad?
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And yeah, it sounds like it was a whole family,
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because I doubt that a woman driving into Canada with
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her small children would have picked up a lone male hitchhiker,
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even at this time, right, I just I don't see
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that many women would have done that. Obviously, it is
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always a possibility, But yeah, I think that's the other
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thing is I think there being a man present clearly
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that changes the dynamics for him. On June eighth, in Winnipeg, Manitoba,
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fourteen year old Lola Cowan of three University Places, was
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selling artificial flowers door to door to help support her family.
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Oh Nelson lured her into his rented room at Catherine
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Hill's boarding house at one thirty three Smith Street. Her
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body and this goes back to escalation reportedly mutilated in
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a manner period reports described as reminiscent of Jack the
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Ripper's victims Oh my god, would not be found for days,
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and that's really horrifying because she's another one of his
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like very young victims. It's a level of aggression in
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violence that he hasn't stereotypically exhibited. So I feel like
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it does speak to like him. Escalating. Evidence also indicated
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Nelson slept in the bed above her corpse overnight.
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Ew.
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Yeah, I mean he doesn't care, no, clearly very unbothered. Later,
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Nelson was still in Winnipeg when he killed twenty seven
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year old Emily Patterson of one hundred Riverton Avenue, who,
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in addition to the strangulation and sexual assault standard to
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his MO, was also bludgeoned with a clawhammer.
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Wow, so he's getting pretty violent.
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Yes, I mean, this is a level of like devastation
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and destruction to their bodies that we have not seen
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with his prior victims. Her body was left underneath her
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young son's bed and discovered by her husband as he
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knelt at the bedside to say evening prayers.
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Oh my god, that is the worst thing I've ever heard.
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I know, And it's like it's I don't know, there's
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something about it where it's like, you know, not all
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people that are religious, are good people? Like I think
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we all understand that, but there's something that's it's like
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such a wholesome image of this man, like kneeling down
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beside his child's bed to say evening prayers and then
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that's how he discovers this horrific thing has been done
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to his wife, and to leave her there underneath her
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child's bed like.
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That is so gross. It is wrong with him.
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I know, and for somebody that was just such a
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fucking nut about religion, it's like.
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That image is.
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Just I don't know, it's so unsettling. It's just it's
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really disturbing. Nelson stole a whipcord suit, Emily's gold wedding ring,
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the family Bible, and seventy dollars Canadian in.
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Ten dollar bills.
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He also left behind a knife bearing burn marks and
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a nicked blade. Oh, the same distinctive damage that would
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have been seen on the knife used to cut the
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electrical cord in the Fannie May murder in Detroit just
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nine days earlier.
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Holy shit, he's done so much.
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Yeah, he is doing the absolute most, and I must
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insist that he just takes several seats.
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I have to look this up.
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I never did end up looking up what a whipcord
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suit was, and I was curious, but I was like,
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I have so much to do. Oh, it's literally just
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a man's suit. I don't know why they call it
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that whipcord a sturdy worsted wool or cotton fabric.
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Oh, so he took it so he would like have
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something nice to wear. I guess.
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So that's what I'm thinking.
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And he got his Bible back. He could be Bible man,
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I guess.
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Yeah, he didn't have a Bible when he was crossing
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the border, apparently, so he took theirs, which is just
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like fuck you.
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So, I mean, we kind of touched on this.
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But the claw hammer was a striking departure from Nelson's
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otherwise strangulation consistent method, and, together with the mutilation of
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Lola Cowan two days prior, has been read by later
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analysts as evidence of psychological deterioration in the final week
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of the spree. And I may not be a qualified
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analyst of really almost anything, but I'm inclined to agree
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for whatever that's worth.
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Right, it sounds right, it sounds right.
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Yeah, you know what. I can't always find the right
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mouth words but when I hear them sometimes I'm like, that's.
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It that resonates.
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Yeah, there it is, you know what what they said.
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Yeah.
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The day after Patterson's murder, Winnipeg jeweler Fred England unknowingly
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purchased Emily Patterson's wedding ring from Nelson. Later that afternoon,
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Nelson traded the whipcord suit and other clothing that he
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had stolen from the Patterson home at Sam Waldman's second
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hand store.
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Oh okay, well I was wrong, but whatever what oh
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I said? He wanted like the nice suit to trick
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people to like wear it, so he just sold it.
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I kind of thought so too.
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But maybe he didn't want anything that looked distinctive. Maybe
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he didn't want anything that was going to like set
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him apart. So like maybe he wanted to change out
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his clothes. But what he wanted because it does say
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trade it, So maybe what he wanted was something that
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was just like a little bit more run of the mill, right,
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And he's an opportunist, But also he does a lot
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of things that like just straight up don't make sense.
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So I mean, who knows, there's no way to know
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a barber next door Nicholas taber gave a man matching
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Nelson's description a shave, haircut, and massage, noticing dried blood
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and scratch marks on his scalp. When asked about them,
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the man grew agitated and asked the barber not to
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touch them.
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I got attacked by a squirrel. Leave me alone.
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Yeah, don't ask me any questions, and I won't tell
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you any laughs. On June twelfth, during a city wide
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search of Winnipeg boarding houses, police entered Catherine Hill's boarding
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house at one thirty three Smith Street and discovered Lola
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Cowan's decaying body beneath the bed of the room Nelson
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had recently occupied. The Winnipeg City Council posted a fifteen
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hundred dollars Canadian reward for information leading to conviction. The
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reward would later become a point of dispute as multiple
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tipsters came forward because of course, I mean there's money involved,
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so we have to have some sort of bickering. Likely
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seriously feeling the heat, Nelson fled south by hitchhiking and
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stowing away on trains aiming for the United States border.
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On June fourteenth, a man claiming to be Mike Mouski
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was arrested at the war Road, Minnesota border crossing by
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US Customs officers, but escape the next day.
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Because he who denis that's how he do? Yeah, so
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does he? Who DD's Mike Mouski.
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Yeah it's Mickey mouse So Mouseki is spelled Mowski. I
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think it was meant to sound like an Eastern European name,
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that's my guess. But then on my mom's birthday June sixteenth,
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nineteen twenty seven, constables in Killarney, a border town approximately
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twelve miles from North Dakota, arrested a calm, cooperative man
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calling himself Virgil Wilson.
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I'm Virgil Wilson. Now.
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Yeah, his demeanor was so unremarkable that the arresting constables
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believed they had the wrong man. They were like, this
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obviously can't be him.
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He just is like so chill. Oh my god. I know,
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I don't even know what to say about that. I know.
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I well, listen, this is long before there was any
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sort of like precedent for like, okay, we have to
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stop saying things like oh, he looked so normal like
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the Boogeyman. He might look surprisingly normal.
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Yeah, for real.
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Like, actually, it's incredibly likely he's gonna look just like
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you are you are you are? You?
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Like, didn't you start off episode one saying this very
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same thing? Yeah? Interesting, I believe so.
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Weird, you know what. I am glad someone is paying attention.
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I try so really this is I mean, it's just
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such a fun little part of the story here.
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I know you're gonna be shocked.
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Nelson escaped the century old Killarney cell that night by
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picking the lock, but made a fatal mistake when he
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attempted to board the same train carrying Winnipeg police on
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the hunt to retrieve him.
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Ah.
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Shit, the first half is exactly what you think it's
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gonna be, and then the second half is kind of
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like the m Night Twist.
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And I love that. Yeah.
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I was like, you deserve it.
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He did. Yeah.
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So he was recaptured roughly twelve hours after his initials
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by an officer of the Crystal City, Manitoba Police Department
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on the rail line seventy five kilometers east of Wakopa.
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I hope I'm saying that right, but you know, stay stupid,
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I guess now.
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I'm just still like picturing him walking into the train
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and everyone just looks at him and they're all staring
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at each other like wait, wait that is that the guy?
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Is the guy? Like he's like, ah, there's just no way.
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Nelson was taken to the Rupert Street Police station in Winnipeg,
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where he was photographed, fingerprinted, measured, and prepared for identification lineups.
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Thousands of spectators gathered outside the station. Fun fact about
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this case, and I hadn't initially included it in my notes,
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and I think I just was like, I he says,
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there's so much to research and things to verify and
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all of that. I read that reportedly up to a
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thousand Canadian farmers just casually joined search parties that were
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like on the hunt for him. Oh so thousands of
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spectators showing up at the police station in Winnipeg when
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he's like actually recaptured, recaptured like that part, I was like,
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you know what I that that feels about, right Like
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at the house, they.
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00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.759
Were all looking for him, and they're like, yeah.
489
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:41.000
And this was a big fucking deal just in general,
490
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:44.759
and we'll talk about that more later because you know,
491
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:48.440
old timey things and we'll get there. But I just
492
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.920
was like, wow, like I love that piece of it.
493
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.759
How much people just were like, we got to get
494
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.960
this guy. They were really invested.
495
00:32:58.279 --> 00:32:59.759
Get this fucking guy out of here.
496
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.920
Hey, yeah, get him the fuck out. Sergeant James Hoskins
497
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.359
of the Winnipeg Police noted that the clothing Nelson was
498
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:13.400
wearing was the same clothing Sam Waldman had received in
499
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.920
trade for the wick Cord suit stolen from the Patterson home,
500
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.319
physical evidence tying Nelson directly to the murder scene, so
501
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.799
they were able to identify. Like, Okay, so the guy
502
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.720
that gave us the stolen clothing from the family, this
503
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.160
is what he got in trade and he's wearing it.
504
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.519
So he should have just taken money and went to
505
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:42.119
a different store. Yep, No, I mean, stay stupid. I
506
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.559
love that. I love that the store owner just knows
507
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.039
what clothes were his or hers or whatever. Right.
508
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:55.400
Captain Mathison of the San Francisco Police Department personally traveled
509
00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:00.000
to Winnipeg with Nelson's fingerprint records from a prior californi
510
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:03.920
Ornia arrest. The prints were a match, and his identity
511
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:09.039
as Virgil Wilson collapsed. By the end of Nelson's first
512
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:13.800
week in custody, more than forty witnesses had identified Nelson
513
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:18.039
either in lineups or from photographs. A lot of people
514
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:19.519
those are cosby numbers.
515
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.000
Baby him in his big hands and greasy hair.
516
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:29.159
Arguably the most damning was Catherine Hill's positive identification of
517
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.519
him as the man who had rented the room in
518
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:36.800
which Lola Cowan died. That'll do it, yep, not older.
519
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.039
When first asked about the murders, Nelson bluntly told a reporter,
520
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.320
I only do my lady killings on Saturday nights.
521
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:57.400
Oh sir, what he told a dad joke about murder, right, like, ugh,
522
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:01.280
U exqueeze me butthole.
523
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:08.039
What an actual anus wow. But of course, he would
524
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.840
later retract this and refuse to confess to anything, insisting
525
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:16.159
to the Manitoba Free Press, I'm charged with two murders,
526
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.920
but I'm not the one who'd done it, not the
527
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:19.639
one who'd done it.
528
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:26.119
See, I just the dad joke killer god.
529
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.960
When asked how so many witnesses in so many cities
530
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:34.880
had identified him, he said, all of them are wrong.
531
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.480
I could be anybody.
532
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.480
I look like everybody. What do you mean, right?
533
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.760
No, I'm sorry, I just like that. Many people I
534
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:50.920
just don't believe are wrong. Also, all of the physical evidence, yeah, duh.
535
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.039
Within weeks of his arrest. Though he was wanted for
536
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:01.599
murder in several other jurisdictions, including San Francisco, in Detroit, Philadelphia,
537
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.639
and Buffalo, just to name a few, it was determined
538
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.280
that he would be first tried in Manitoba, which still
539
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.159
had the death penalty at that time.
540
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:13.840
Ha ha Yeah.
541
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:18.679
Capital punishment would not be abolished for civilians in Canada
542
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:23.320
until the summer of nineteen seventy six, and for military
543
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.039
offenses full abolishment would not come until nineteen ninety eight.
544
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.760
So I guess he should have just waited until then
545
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.719
to do all of his murdering in Canadia.
546
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.400
Dummy. Oh well.
547
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.039
Nelson's trial was scheduled to begin June twenty seventh of
548
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.679
nineteen twenty seven, but was postponed at his attorney's request,
549
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.119
finally beginning November one at the Winnipeg Law Courts building.
550
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.679
And it looks kneku.
551
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:56.280
Oh yeah.
552
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.920
I don't know if the building looks exactly like it
553
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.480
did back in nineteen twenty seven, but the picture I
554
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:02.840
saw lekum.
555
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.039
The case was prosecuted by R. B.
556
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:14.079
Graham before Justice Andrew Dysert and James Herbert Stitt. I
557
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:19.159
just this so many names serving as this court appointed defense,
558
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:25.159
so Stitt is his defense lawyer. Though Nelson was tried
559
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.559
only for the murder of Emily Patterson, fingerprints from other
560
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.840
crime scenes were a match, and dental impressions taken at
561
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:37.480
the time of his arrest also matched bite marks found
562
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:38.880
on victims.
563
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:44.800
Oo and his hard teeth. Yeah, I didn't you like
564
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:46.840
pick things up with his teeth or something?
565
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.159
Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
566
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:51.079
Yeah.
567
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.880
That that's something that came up in his life, like
568
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:54.760
pretty early on.
569
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.079
So I hate it.
570
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.119
Of course, through a modern lends, this specific aspect of
571
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:06.639
forensic odontology has far less credibility than it did at
572
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.320
the time, but the mountain of other evidence and statements
573
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:12.239
stacked up heavily against him.
574
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.760
So even if you want to.
575
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:18.559
Play Devil's advocate and be like, well, forensic odontologies kind
576
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:23.440
of like especially bite marks, and you know that's.
577
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.039
Not all they had, so piped out.
578
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.800
Investigators had also matched the knife recovered at the Patterson
579
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:36.159
scene with its distinctive burn marks and nicked blade to
580
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.360
the knife used to cut the electrical cord that garrotted
581
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:44.239
Fannie May in Detroit physically linking Nelson to crimes he
582
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:50.079
had committed across the international border. Over sixty witnesses from
583
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:54.639
both Canada and the United States testified, many placing Nelson
584
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.760
at the scenes of crimes or linking him to stolen property.
585
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:04.480
Nelson's ex wife, Mary Martin, testified against him, calling him
586
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.320
absolutely insane, which shit.
587
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:09.199
Normally I would.
588
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.800
Say that is not a polite thing to say about
589
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:16.039
your grandson's slash husband. But you know, if the shoe.
590
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.920
Fits, yeah. Oh. Doctor Alvin T.
591
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:25.079
Mathers, chief of the psychiatric ward at Winnipeg General Hospital,
592
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:30.000
testified that after examining Nelson five times between July and
593
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:34.440
October of nineteen twenty seven, he had quote not found
594
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.480
any evidence that to me would constitute insanity.
595
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:40.079
No evidence.
596
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.119
I think he means, you know, in the legal sense.
597
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:44.639
Okay.
598
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.000
This is not to say that like he's not like
599
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:51.079
what woo, like there's a screw loose. Something ain't right,
600
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:52.920
the boy ain't right, buck.
601
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:56.079
Okay, but he can't like plea insanity or whatever. Right, Okay,
602
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.840
get it. I'm like, no, he's crazy. What do you mean?
603
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:05.639
You're like it? But he's like so crazy. A jail
604
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.960
guard who supervised Nelson throughout the trial, noted that he
605
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.920
had become fixated on a passage from the Book of
606
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:16.880
Proverbs and read it aloud repeatedly, which is not at
607
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:22.920
all annoying and obnoxious. Okay, I will read it for you,
608
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.760
and then yeah, I will tell you all about why
609
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:33.119
I fucking hate it. Okay, my son, give me thine
610
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:37.960
heart and let thine eyes observe my ways. For a
611
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.800
whore is a deep ditch, and a strange woman is
612
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.800
a narrow pit. She also lieth in wait as for
613
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:51.880
a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men. Now, if
614
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.159
I were to try to explain that to you in
615
00:40:56.079 --> 00:41:00.960
slightly plainar English, I might say something like, every single
616
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.760
one of his victims fits the biblical definition of a
617
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:10.559
quote unquote strange woman. Women running boarding houses or showing
618
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.960
properties without the oversight of a man, whether they were
619
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:18.679
unmarried or widowed, women who were basically just managing their
620
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:25.159
own affairs, Like, can you even imagine that audacity? The
621
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:30.199
exact demographic he was hunting is the very same one
622
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.119
the passage warns men to be fearful of. That's not scripture,
623
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:40.159
it's a hit list with a theological alibi. Damn, it's
624
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:46.559
particularly gross textbook victim blaming. The women he murdered were
625
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:51.559
being framed in his deluded mind as the predators because
626
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:57.920
he wasn't stalking them, they were tempting him, like.
627
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.280
What was she wearing you?
628
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.360
He wasn't strangling them, he was escaping the traps of
629
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:14.360
their feminine wiles. My god, it's honestly the oldest trick
630
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.320
in the book, and Nelson didn't invent it. He just
631
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.840
baptized it and passed it down to future in cells.
632
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:23.679
I hate this so much.
633
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:27.159
I'm That's all I have to say about that is
634
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.199
that it Are you sure you done? We have to
635
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:31.639
move on?
636
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:32.519
Yeah?
637
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.400
No, I mean I could literally expound for days. I
638
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.400
mean the amount of time that I spent on the
639
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:43.119
reflection on that, Like I don't know, four lines of scripture.
640
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.760
No, while you're reading it, I was like, did wait
641
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:50.840
did they mean? When I think yeah, and then fancy
642
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.199
words are covering up what is the same.
643
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.559
Yeah, It's one of those ones where you're like, hold on, no,
644
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.760
hold on, I just maybe I'm confused by the thine
645
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:07.199
and I'm sure they didn't mean that. Well, no, they
646
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:11.960
appear to mean just exactly that. Hmmm, No, it's exactly
647
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:15.360
what you think. And obviously part of the problem is
648
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.679
the context in which it's being used. But it's pretty
649
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:23.400
I mean, that's a passage that's pretty problematic regardless.
650
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:24.960
Take that out of there.
651
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.199
Just like, on the face of things, we're just like
652
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:34.519
whorees and you know, ew strange, Like, how about actually
653
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:35.400
go fuck yourself.
654
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.840
I'd rather be a strange horror than.
655
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.679
Right be one of you. I know, I think I
656
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:47.119
would rather be both a whore and arguably strange.
657
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:48.159
I like that life.
658
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:55.119
Yeah, I think I'm literally about that life. On November fifth,
659
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:01.239
nineteen twenty seven, closing arguments concluded that you're deliberated for
660
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:06.480
forty minutes before returning a guilty verdict because duh. But honestly,
661
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.159
when the jury comes back that quickly, it's almost never
662
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:14.280
a good thing for the defendant, just like statistically and anecdotally,
663
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:18.599
I think most lawyers say that. That's what I've always heard,
664
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:24.840
and it's carried through. Nelson received the mandatory death sentence,
665
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:31.639
and I mandatorily Yeah, I don't normally love capital punishment,
666
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.440
but I kind of I'm not going to say that.
667
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.880
I you know, like I kind of love.
668
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:40.280
That for him a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I'm not
669
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.960
historically someone that considers themselves a fan, but like I
670
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:46.159
like their latest work.
671
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:52.159
If they're like this clearly guilty and terrible and yeah,
672
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:53.679
just get rid of them, like we don't.
673
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.360
Like it could not be any more clear cut. And
674
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.239
I'm just like, you know what, the world is now
675
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:02.000
a better place, And I know I normally just don't
676
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:07.480
think that the system gets it correct reliably enough to
677
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.880
feel confident about carrying out that sentence. That's my issue.
678
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:17.000
But I mean, somebody wants to argue that this is
679
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.880
not the guy. First of all, you're listening to the
680
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:28.119
wrong show because you're Aloney Tune and your name is Clark.
681
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:32.079
Yeah yeah, and I think what I think you meant
682
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.880
to go to the red pill side of the internet.
683
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:39.000
I don't know, go not wipe your buttthole over there.
684
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.039
Oh my god. Oh it makes me so fucking angry,
685
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:45.519
so disgusted.
686
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.360
I've been waiting for an opportunity to bring that up again.
687
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.920
I know well, and honestly I just didn't want to
688
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.719
sound like a crazy feminazi the whole way through, But
689
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:58.920
like that is what this case is giving like in
690
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:03.880
a way, right, because it's just it's just such misogyny.
691
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.920
And there's other facets of this case obviously, but like
692
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:15.039
there's a clear hatred of women in this Like there's
693
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.400
literally only a single male victim and that was a
694
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:21.840
fucking infant, which is horrific. But like, clearly this is
695
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:27.199
about hating women. Okay, so then this is just fucking weird.
696
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.079
I I really don't know how else to put it.
697
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:35.719
Asked whether he wished to make a statement after, you know,
698
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:40.039
he's been given his sentence. He responded, no, not that
699
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:44.559
I know of, And it's a weird choice of words.
700
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.559
Not that I know of. Uh huh, not that anyone
701
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:50.280
in my head is telling me, right now, I know,
702
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.559
So moving on, we don't have anything to say at
703
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:55.039
the moment.
704
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:59.960
I know, I know, did you need to like take
705
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.920
a minute, and like I don't take a poll of
706
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.039
everybody that's in there, like what or what? And I
707
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.960
hate to sound like like I would, you know, make
708
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:14.159
light of anyone with like mental illness, but like at
709
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.400
the same time, this is so clearly such a deranged
710
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:22.639
and evil person that it's hurt so many innocent people
711
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:26.599
that I just I'm sorry, I just I can't.
712
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:30.719
I mean, it's I think arguably one of, if not.
713
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:32.960
The worst case that I've ever covered.
714
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.079
So yeah, there's a lot of women.
715
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:42.119
Two episodes of women, children, and an actual fucking baby,
716
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:43.280
an infant.
717
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.679
So excuse me if I.
718
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:49.280
Feel a little bit lase fair about what happens to
719
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.480
him at this point, please forgive me.
720
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.400
And then she was struck down by lightning?
721
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.400
Can you imagine? We have had episodes It's just like
722
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.480
not like for anything other than like it just was
723
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.000
like cool ambiyonce, but like we've had like thunder lightning
724
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:16.280
like in the background. But like, wow, listen, if that like,
725
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:18.920
if that's my cross to bear, so to speak, then
726
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:24.400
like I'm okay with that, Okay, forging ahead. Stit submitted
727
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:29.840
a thirty page clemency petition to Minister of Justice Earnest
728
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.320
Lapointe in late December, supported by twenty affidavits attesting that
729
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.119
Nelson had an I quote, for a long period of time,
730
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:42.800
been a person of unsound mind.
731
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M hm uh huh. Yeah, unsound is a very kind
732
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:48.519
way to put it.
733
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.199
Yeah, it mayhaps be a bit generous.
734
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:53.800
Missus L. J.
735
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.519
Casey, who had employed him as a groundskeeper in nineteen
736
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:02.800
twenty six described him another quote, sitting right outside in
737
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.960
the drenching rain, looking at the sky without a coat
738
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:07.519
until he was soaked through.
739
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:08.800
That's normal.
740
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:17.119
Yeah, I'm not sure which way that supports exactly. I mean,
741
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.719
I guess just that he's deeply on Well. Yeah, but
742
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:25.079
the appeal was denied. And here's where we get some
743
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:29.960
super I'm just a little stitious, you know, like the
744
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:35.719
kind of like little synchronicities. The following year, on Friday,
745
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:42.320
January thirteenth, nineteen twenty eight, after walking thirteen steps to
746
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:48.159
the gallows at seven thirty am, Earl Leonard Nelson became
747
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:52.599
the thirteenth person to hang at the Von Street Jail
748
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:53.679
in Winnipeg.
749
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:57.960
Ooh, I like all the thirteen?
750
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.280
Does that not just give you like the chili willies though?
751
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:03.840
Yeah, that's creepy.
752
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:11.840
The hangman was Arthur Ellis, the official executioner to the
753
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:15.920
Dominion of Canada, which is a hell of a title.
754
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:20.960
Ellis is reported to have described the Nelson hanging as
755
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:25.880
the one he was most satisfied to have officiated. I
756
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.480
get that, Yeah, I kind of get that too. Nelson's
757
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.880
last words on the platform were and this is so
758
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:39.199
fucking infuriating. I just have to say, I declare my
759
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:43.599
innocence before God and Man. I forgive those who have
760
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:47.480
injured me, and I ask pardon from those I have injured,
761
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:54.800
to which I say, nah, dude.
762
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.559
But he just said he didn't hurt anybody. He's innocent,
763
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.679
So who is he injured? Right? I thought you were innocent?
764
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.159
So like what what? Yeah? It's interesting.
765
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:09.480
Widely credited by crime historians Harold Scheckter and David Everett
766
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:14.159
as the first serial sex murderer of the twentieth century
767
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:21.679
in America, Nelson's crimes received widespread national and international coverage,
768
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:30.239
aided by the emerging medium of broadcast radio. Ooh yeahplast news,
769
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:35.800
I know wild times. His trial was reported on across
770
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.079
the United States, Canada, and even Australia.
771
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.000
Damn, Honor, They're like, what the fuck is happening up there?
772
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.599
Like these Yanks are out of control over there?
773
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.039
Down there. I don't know where Australia is.
774
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:59.840
They're down You're like, I barely know where I am.
775
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:05.920
Is that enough? His confirmed count of twenty two remained
776
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:09.280
the highest number of murders attributed to a single US
777
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:14.320
offender for nearly fifty years until the discovery of Juan
778
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:22.239
Corona's crimes in California in nineteen seventy one. In criminal literature,
779
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:27.079
Nelson is often cited as the archetype of the traveling
780
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:32.280
or transient serial killer, a category that would later include
781
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:38.159
Ted Bundy, Henry Lee, Lucas Ottis, Toole Otis Otis, you
782
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:42.400
know what, who Cares? And Israel Kis. They are all
783
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:47.599
very fucking scary. Serial Killers in general are scary, but
784
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:53.039
like there is something so chilling about those particular individuals
785
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.960
for sure. Nelson's case also demonstrates a form of inter
786
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:04.400
state law enforcement cooperation that predates modern institutional structures, such
787
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:10.400
as the FBI's Violent Criminal Apprehension Program known as VISCAP
788
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.480
that was established in nineteen eighty five. Fingerprint records were
789
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.039
physically handcarried by Captain Matheson from San Francisco to Winnipeg
790
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:25.679
to establish Nelson's identity, and Winnipeg police sent Nelson's photograph
791
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:30.559
to police departments throughout the United States, both costly measures
792
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:34.920
that were slow to process compared to, you know, setting
793
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.679
an email compared to modern digital methods, though in the
794
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:45.119
end effective enough to generate positive identifications from Illinois and
795
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.519
California within days, So like they were doing.
796
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:50.079
The damn thing.
797
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:58.039
They're working together, working together, instead of measuring dicks. Portland
798
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.239
is central to Nelson's story to a degree that most
799
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:06.719
national retellings understate. Four of his twenty two confirmed victims
800
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:12.039
were killed in Portland, Beta Withers, Virginia, Grant, Mabel Fluke,
801
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:17.440
and Blanchemier's, making Portland the single city with the highest
802
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.079
concentration of nelson murders anywhere on his route, ahead of
803
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:26.119
San Francisco and Kansas City that had three each, and
804
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:31.440
Winnipeg with two confirmed victims. With the Seattle murder of
805
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:36.039
Florence Monks added, the Pacific Northwest accounts for five of
806
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:40.760
Nelson's confirmed victims, roughly a quarter of the total, a
807
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:46.119
significant regional concentration for a killer known for his mobility,
808
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.840
And like, what the fuck do you have against us?
809
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:57.159
Like why, I don't know, And to be honest, as
810
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:01.800
is the chase with so many serial killers, there are
811
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unfortunately suspected but unconfirmed victims. And that's a little bit
812
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of what I want to talk about in the Patreon bonus.
813
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:20.159
So you know, if you are really intrigued by this case,
814
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:25.320
that's something to look forward to a reason to join,
815
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.159
or if you're just like sick to death of this
816
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:35.039
creepy fucker, also totally understandable, you.
817
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Could still join, just don't listen to it.
818
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:41.599
Yeah, there's other content there, you know, if you just
819
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want to support us, that's cool too.
820
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What ifs.
821
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But that's all I have for both parts one and
822
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two of Ugh, this this guy Earl.
823
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:59.480
I was definitely wondering if there was a chance like
824
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he had murdered more yeah people than they knew about
825
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mm hmm.
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And I will say that, I well, you're just gonna
827
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have to You're just gonna have to listen to the
828
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Patreon bonus for that. Yeah, yeah, but I'm subscribed.
829
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Yeah.
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I do firmly believe that there are likely other victims
831
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:35.000
that were not included in the body of our two episodes, damn,
832
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:40.280
which is unfortunate because it's already just you know, it's
833
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a lot of people that I mean, their lives were
834
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.519
ended and then the people that loved them, their lives
835
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:55.480
were just irreparably changed, and I can't even imagine, I mean,
836
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:59.159
and we talked about this so many times. The victims
837
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.360
were so frequently discovered by you.
838
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.639
Know people, the people closest to them, and yeah, the
839
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husband's the kids.
840
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:13.000
Because they were killed inside of you know, their homes
841
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:17.360
or inside of other properties that they owned or you know,
842
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:21.400
worked at. It's like, really, that's the only thing that
843
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:22.079
makes sense.
844
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:23.599
It just adds.
845
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.000
It's just salt in the wound in this case because
846
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:30.039
it's already just so ugly.
847
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:32.639
But should we do.
848
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:36.519
Some terror about it? And maybe, yeah, maybe we'll get
849
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.360
a pretty tarot card and that'll make us feel better.
850
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:43.880
They're all pretty so that Yeah, I mean the words
851
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.159
aren't always pretty.
852
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:49.119
But yeah, no, I mean, you know, it gets complicated
853
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:49.679
at times.
854
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:52.480
All right, well, let's.
855
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:52.920
Taro it up.
856
00:57:54.440 --> 00:58:00.039
Wow, vibes are being transferred. I like it.
857
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:03.360
It That was weird and then you like moved and.
858
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:04.400
It zoomed in on you.
859
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.519
Yeah, it felt like the vibes got closer in that moment.
860
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:11.639
They did.
861
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.599
Okay, I've got them laid out in front of my
862
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:25.400
keyboard as per usual when we're remote. So is there
863
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:28.760
like a letter or a number that lines up with my.
864
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:30.280
Keyboard that's calling to you?
865
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:36.840
N N Okay, Oh interesting, Okay, here we go.
866
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:43.559
Oh it's a cute card. Okay, Well, like we said, yeah,
867
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.920
oh oh yeah, it's another one of those that we've
868
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:51.639
gotten quite frequently. Seven of swords. Okay, the little weasel
869
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:55.800
eating an egg. He was a little fucking weasel. Yeah
870
00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:58.440
he was a weasel. Well he was a big weasel.
871
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:03.119
Yeah, it's an Olympic short tailed weasel.
872
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:04.360
Okay.
873
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:09.000
So this is really interesting though, because obviously weasels, they
874
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:14.920
have sort of a persona, are easily right, weasely exactly.
875
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:23.960
Our keywords in the Little Book are cunning, trickery, sneakiness, deceit, resourcefulness, strategy,
876
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:26.559
and stell like all of that.
877
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:31.079
Shut the fuck up.
878
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:34.280
Okay, so this takes me back to part one. I
879
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.840
just glanced at the Little Story because you know me,
880
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.280
I'm like, sometimes I like to just get to the
881
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:46.039
big book interpretation. But we have I love the stories. Yeah, well,
882
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:49.000
and we have to read it this time. We literally
883
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:50.320
have to we m.
884
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:52.519
Weasel me.
885
00:59:55.360 --> 01:00:00.360
Listen, everybody's got to eat. It ain't my fault. And
886
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:04.079
Papa Robin decided to fly off at the same time.
887
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:06.480
Opportunity.
888
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:15.280
Yes, but remember he was orphaned. Parents died like very
889
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.679
close together. But I agree it works two ways.
890
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:22.760
Yeah, ooh, creepy.
891
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:26.960
It goes on to say. See, I wouldn't call that
892
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.760
a wise decision. I know they're not going to want
893
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:33.440
to hear this, but when you think about it, this
894
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:34.440
one's on them.
895
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.639
No, that's what we were saying about the victim blaming and.
896
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:50.199
The look that's how nature works. It's opportunistic. Wow, And
897
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.159
I know an opportunity when I see it.
898
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.239
That is so him.
899
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:02.800
Anyway, if I didn't wipe these eggs, somebody else would have.
900
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.599
Anybody could have been waiting in the leaves, still and
901
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:13.079
silent as death, watching that nest all afternoon.
902
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:17.599
And he did that. He like stalked and waited for
903
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:18.360
Oh my.
904
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:23.840
God, anybody could have deftly climbed the tallest tree, swung
905
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.920
out onto that rickety bow, and dove neatly into the
906
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:33.480
nest cup without so much a scuffing a single delicious egg.
907
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:37.519
So what if I got there first? Don't blame me
908
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.599
for playing the game and winning. So what do you
909
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:41.440
want me to do?
910
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:48.480
Starve? Oh my god, that was like so his mindset too.
911
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.920
And I've not We've read this before for sure, and
912
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.519
it like it has related to all these dudes who kill,
913
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.679
But like that, every single word was so spot on
914
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.079
for him specifically in what he did.
915
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:08.920
Yikes that truly truly.
916
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:10.960
Wow, he's a weasel.
917
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:24.960
Okay, seven of sorts here we go. Keywords are uncertainty, illusion, impetuousness, stealth, cunning,
918
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.440
and strategy. So we did draw this in the reverse.
919
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:31.719
So this is when I think it's really good that
920
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:33.519
we have like the Big Book to kind of give
921
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:38.639
us a more nuanced interpretation between the upright and the reverse.
922
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:43.239
Interesting, okay, m m.
923
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:48.639
Some decks, including the Writer, Waite, Smith, Aquarian, and Gilded Taro,
924
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:53.400
show a man carrying away five swords, leaving two stuck
925
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:57.239
in the ground behind him. When this card appears, it
926
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:01.159
suggests you're facing a challenger problem. I must use caution
927
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.199
to overcome potential danger.
928
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:08.960
Girl, you in danger? Yeah, I was kind of like
929
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.960
the people who did get away, like they they were
930
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:17.599
using caution and ended up getting away from him. Yeah.
931
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:24.119
Honestly, when the seven appears reversed, it can mean either
932
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:29.400
you're behaving impetuously or that you're overly cautious and afraid
933
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:33.000
to act. I mean, I think we know which way
934
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:35.679
that one falls. I think we know which way that
935
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.199
cookie crumbles. I think it's the first one. It can
936
01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:43.880
also represent coming clean about a mistake and trying to
937
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:45.639
make restitution.
938
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:50.800
Which not something that he did. Did he He never
939
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:51.559
admitted it.
940
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:55.400
I mean, there was kind of an early admission, but
941
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:59.800
like he very quickly reversed course and just was like,
942
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.039
oh no, it's all lies. All these people are wrong.
943
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:07.360
And it's interesting because it's like the exact opposite of
944
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:08.000
what he did.
945
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:10.159
Yeah, pretty much.
946
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.480
Just what he needed to do. See, he needed taro.
947
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:14.559
Yeah he really did.
948
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:20.480
Yeah, because remember initially, when first asked about the murders,
949
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:24.400
Nelson bluntly told a reporter, I only do my lady
950
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.199
killings on Saturday.
951
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:28.639
Nights, the dad joke. Yeah.
952
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.480
But then he immediately was like, oh no, I didn't
953
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:31.719
do it.
954
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:32.639
I didn't do it.
955
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:33.639
All of them are wrong.
956
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:36.800
Oh yeah. I mean, but that was like also saying
957
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:38.800
he didn't do it, because I think I picked. I
958
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:40.559
thought he was saying, like, I go to the club
959
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.840
and I kill it with the ladies, like, yeah, Saturday nights.
960
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.280
I mean, I don't know that clubbing was so much
961
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:47.960
a thing back in the nineteen twenty.
962
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:50.119
That's what I thought he was saying.
963
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:54.320
Yeah, it does seem like even that you could kind
964
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.239
of read that in more than one way. I see
965
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.920
what you're saying. In a reading about money, be careful
966
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:06.159
of get rich quick schemes, gambling, or dubious endeavors.
967
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:09.039
Like killing people and taking their money and jewelry and
968
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:14.519
selling their clothes and then getting caught right Literally, the
969
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.960
reverse seven can represent deception or leaving yourself vulnerable.
970
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.039
Sometimes it suggests you may have gained through or are
971
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:28.440
considering underhanded means. I would say, I mean to put
972
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.519
it mildly. If the reading is about your job, this
973
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card can warn of dishonesty or deception in your workplace.
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Perhaps you'll need to separate yourself from a situation, stay
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open minded and flexible so that you can respond to
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changes quickly. It can also mean taking advantage of someone else. Yep,
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all that, I would say professionally, Like all.
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These women they owned the properties and were like renting
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out rooms and.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean almost all of these women. It
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was like either they were renting a room or they
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ran a boarding house, they were selling a home something
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like that. There was like so few of the victims
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didn't fit that exact.
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Profile, like they're just trying to work man your deception.
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In a reading about love, The reverse seven can mean
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apologizing for a mistake or injury. Perhaps you've betrayed, hurt
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or manipulated someone.
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That's kind of an interesting thing that it's literally says injury,
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and that was like one of his last words. Yeah
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that's so true. Oh my God, Like and he forgave,
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forgave the people who injured him. Yeah, God, blow me.
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However, this card can also show you assisting a partner
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through a challenge or warning him or her against a
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risky course of action.
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That kind of reminds me of like the warning that
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went out to everyone, right, like, hey, don't be alone
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in a house with a man ever.
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Right never a Yeah, there is an extra excerpt I
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would just like to note it is from his holiness
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the fourteenth Dalai Lama. Tragedy should be utilized as a
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source of strength, no matter what sort of difficulties, how
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painful experiences. If we lose our hope, that's our real disaster.
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I like that. I know we always do.
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We always feel we let that fill us up because.
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We hear about all these families and people and they
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go through this horrible shit. Yeah, and we're like, oh God, like,
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how are you gonna survive after that, and then we
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get this beautiful quote I know, and actually I don't know.
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I'm trying to think of a way to say this
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about like what I have, and it's it's kind of
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a short one. It's not like the length of a
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full episode, but the Patreon bonus like it just shows
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like truly the length of the tentacles with a case
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like this, and in some respects it shows like kind
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of the darkest aspects of this that like we haven't
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really even touched on. And then on the flip side,
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like what feels like kind of the closest thing to
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sort of like a silver lining in a way, And
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I don't know, I've just this one. I mean it was,
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it was. It was rough to research and certainly a
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challenge to write up.
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But I think in some ways, like some of the
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aspects of it that it were the most intriguing to me.
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And then that kind of like in the end writing
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about it like made me feel like kind of hopeful
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in a way.
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I don't know.
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I got to the end and I was like, this
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is just like I simply can't like this cannot this
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episode even part two, Like this is not going to
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be three parts, because I don't think we have three
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parts here. But I was like, there's just there's just
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these things that like didn't quite fit in that, like
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I couldn't not make this part of.
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The overall experience. I guess, I don't know. I don't know.
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I just I'm excited about this Patreon bonus just because
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of me too.
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Now.
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Yeah, well, and once it's over and like we kind
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of we we got our palate cleanser with the taro,
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and it feels like this ended where it should in
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a lot of ways.
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You know, mm hmm, that's perfect all things.
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It's like you planned it, I know, right, Well, I
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literally texted you and I was like, okay, based on
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current page length, like this feels like it may be
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two parts. But sometimes when it's like this dense and
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like it's this dark, sometimes those end up going really
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quick when we record because we sort of feel like,
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oh my god, like what do you even say?
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Like that?
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I guess this isn't one of our more comedic episodes.
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Yeah right, but like this one, I felt like, I
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mean thankfully it played out that there there was a
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lot for us to just kind of like try to
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lighten things up. With a little bit, and I felt
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like our discussions were good.
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It like adds value to Yeah, I think so, I
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hope so yeah. Otherwise just running my fucking mouth, you
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know what.
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But that's allowed, so they can't stop us.
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Well, my goodness, should we do that? Faye? Yeah? Yeah,
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probably have a creepy day. We'll see you next Thursday.
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But not you, earl, like this is the end.
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Of the road. Never Nelson, never now said the new
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Never Bundy, I know, never Clark, never Clark, or Virgil Virgil.
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Wilson, Yeah, Virgil Wilson. I mean, this man had so
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many aliases it's wild.