#470: Microplastics: The INVISIBLE Threat to Health, Pets & Planet | What You Can Do NOW With Heather Hutchens & Dr. Debra Kimless

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Welcome to Longevity.
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I'm your host, Natalie Nidham.
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Welcome back to the show.
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I'm Natalie Nidham, your host.
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We have a great episode for you today.
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We're talking about this very hot topic of microplastics and what to do about it.
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Now, let's get into the episode.
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We've all heard that microplastics are everywhere, but what does that actually mean?
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What does everywhere mean?
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What does everywhere mean?
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And today I'm sitting down with Heather Hutchins, CEO of Pure BioHealth, and Dr. Deborah Kimlis, physician, lifestyle medicine expert, and co-author of Poison by Convenience, to explore the science behind one of the biggest environmental health challenges of our time.
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Thank you.
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We get into their groundbreaking research on reducing circulating microplastics, why these particles may be disrupting everything from cellular energy to chronic inflammation, and how they could be affecting not just us, but even our pets.
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And most importantly, we're going to talk a lot about what you can do about it.
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Now, if you're serious about longevity, this is a conversation you most definitely will not want to miss.
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Thanks for being here guys.
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And let's jump into the episode.
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Welcome to the show, everybody.
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We have two guests today who I would like to welcome.
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We have Dr. Deborah Kimlis, who is the Chief Medical Officer with Pure BioHealth.
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Dr. Kimlis, why don't you say something so that people can know your voice?
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Hi, good morning or good afternoon, everyone.
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And thank you for having us.
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Oh, it's a pleasure.
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And also we have Heather Hutchins, who is the CEO of Pure BioHealth, who is here with us today as well to talk about microplastics.
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Thank you so much for having us.
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It's a pleasure.
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So let's just jump right in because, of course, microplastics, you know, what was it?
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How many years ago was it that the first company said, oh, we've got these amazing plastic bags.
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They're biodegradable.
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They're going to be amazing.
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You could just throw them away with a clear conscience and everything will be perfect.
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And, of course, now we know maybe that's not exactly perfectly perfect.
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True.
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Would you say we're already living inside one of the biggest public health experiments in history?
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And I'm opening that up to either of you right now.
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Absolutely.
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I mean, it's frightening.
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The plastic issue origin story really was more about the animals that were getting caught in plastic debris in the oceans, if you remember.
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Oh, they still are.
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I see those on social media all the time.
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Right.
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And they would tell you to cut
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the rings from, you know, soda cans that hold a six-pack together or something like that.
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And they told us to recycle these plastic bags.
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And that was the reason why we should be using all these plastics.
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And then we sort of became aware that the recycling processes maybe were not as advertised and that this danger became a lot greater than just an environmental hazard.
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Well, you know that one of the things, one of my big pet peeves in life, which is, I mean, I don't know.
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I don't know how you guys feel about this, but citrus, citrus that comes in citrus and onions that come in those mesh bags.
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It drives me bonkers.
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What's crazy is it's almost like they're pushing them, right?
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You can buy a whole bag of lemons,
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for so much less than individual lemons.
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And it's, I've never been able to understand the logic behind that.
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It drives me, it drives me wild.
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There's this stubbornness in the industry of not wanting to get rid of that stuff.
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Like when I see those mesh bags, all I can see are birds and fish and other animals like trapped or swallowing them.
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Like it, it just seems mental that we even still use that stuff.
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That's very true, and it's accurate, and I think they're doing it because they capitalize on the fact that we like a good bargain.
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And so maybe they put lesser lemons and limes or avocados in these meshed bags, and we are suckers for a good deal, and we don't think about what really is happening when we're purchasing these plastics.
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Not only are the plastics bad for the environment, for the animals, the planet, but that stuff's leaching into the foods that they're holding.
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And we really don't, nobody really thought about that.
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So you have a newly published human study claiming a 74% reduction in blood microplastics in just one month with every single participant responding.
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And this is what really got my attention when you guys reached out to me and it was through Ben Katz actually, who did, we did a great episode last year together.
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And when he, you know, when Ben comes along and says there's something you need to look at, you kind of tend to pay attention, right?
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So kudos to you for getting him on board.
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That is an extraordinary claim.
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So before we unpack it, which we are doing today, what went through each of your minds when you first saw this data?
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And Debra, why don't you go first and then Heather?
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So-
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Because I understand mechanistically how our product works, I think I would have been more surprised if it didn't have the results that it showed versus the results that it showed.
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I was thrilled that the results were such, but the truth of the matter is I wasn't surprised.
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Heather, how about you?
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When I saw the results, I was thrilled.
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In 30 days to achieve that much reduction, not only in circulating microplastics, but in overall particle size, I thought it was remarkable.
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And then we followed it with a canine study and had very similar results, which we'd love to share with you and your audience.
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You know, dogs and cats have a lot of exposure to environmental toxins and nanoplastics and microplastics.
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Yeah.
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So anecdotally, some of the reported side effects were very positive.
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Essentially, you're addressing quite a bit of inflammation and healing the gut microbiome.
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And the area that's directly in your lane has to do with how microplastics impact the hallmarks of aging, which Dr. Kimlis would say.
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be happy to expand on because I think that your audience is very interested in that.
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It feels like this is maybe one of the pieces that is missing from a longevity protocol is the clearance and slowing down the bioaccumulation of the microplastics and their toxic load they bring in.
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Heather, I'm going to start with you.
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You were not raised inside labs or academic medicine.
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You wrote about creating what you call an inner matriarch.
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Can you tell us a little bit about that little girl and why she still drives this mission today?
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I'm a fan of your work and health span has to do with
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Mind, body and spirit has to do with how you handle adversity and how you choose to move through the world.
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And I'd say that happiness and health, believe it or not, are hard work and it's work worth doing.
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So what you're referring to is the story of my childhood.
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I was in foster care for many years and my survival mechanism, which I learned later later.
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What what that was essentially is I created an inner matriarch.
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That's what I was told.
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And it resonated with me.
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I had to I created a matriarch that would protect a little girl who could not protect herself.
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And anyway, that threads into the work I do today.
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I believe that everybody deserves the opportunity to be healthy.
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I'm passionate about healthspan science.
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I'm very intrigued by the idea that you can pump the brakes on aging.
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I think the decisions you make, how you choose to think, what you choose to eat, if you're fortunate enough to have that choice, and what you choose to do with your time and your relationships, you either hit the accelerator on aging or heading in the wrong direction or you can pump the brakes.
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And I think that's why your work is so important.
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Your epigenetic health is largely within your control.
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And this company offers something.
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And this issue is so enormous and it needs to be addressed by people who care.
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And I think that the opportunity to do that for people, animals and the planet is really an honor and a privilege.
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And we're really excited about that.
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Yeah, I love that.
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And, you know, it's incredible how what you did is you leveraged that difficult beginning and turned it into something that I don't know that a traditional scientific career would have done the same for you.
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What do you think?
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I think in a way it's your, I mean, I think it's your superpower in many ways.
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Oh, thank you.
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Well, if I could turn back time.
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Sorry, Cher.
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I don't know that I wouldn't have chosen to be a physician.
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I love I. I may have chosen to become a physician if I could go back or scientist.
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I have such a passion for it, but I can appreciate what you're saying.
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And.
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And it is true that.
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That.
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you are the most qualified to help the people that are in the position that you used to be in.
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And that if you lead with your strengths, and you focus on your strengths, and you figure out what it takes to respect yourself, and you continue to earn your own respect, I think that's the path to the healthiest way forward.
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Does that make sense?
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Absolutely.
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So, okay.
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One more question, Heather, before we move over to Dr. Kimlis for a minute.
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When did microplastics stop being an environmental story and become deeply personal to you, Heather?
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I studied environmental science at UCSB and she went on this incredible trip to Hawaii with a group of people volunteering to clean up the environment.
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And she told me the story of the day they went to this very small beach area.
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And they were all excited.
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They had their bags with them.
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And their mission was to clean up the beach that day.
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And they started at one in the afternoon.
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And she described herself at the end of the day sitting in the sand with the water lapping up on her feet.
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And every time a new wave came in, every time more water approached her, more pieces of plastic washed up on the shore.
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And that was her epiphany in life, the moment where she's in Hawaii and she realized that.
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how enormous this issue is.
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And even if we stopped producing all plastics today, we would still see an eightfold increase in microplastics and nanoplastics over the next 10 years or so, because they continue to break down smaller and smaller and smaller.
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And when I heard that babies are born with microplastics in their first stool, that it's in the placenta, that it's in breast milk, that it's in crosses of biological barriers, it's in the brain.
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I knew.
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All right.
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Dr. Kimlis, you have spent decades in medicine, anesthesiology, pain medicine, clinical research, and pharmaceutical development.
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At what moment did you realize the environment itself had become one of medicine's biggest blind spots?
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So this has been a hot topic for me.
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But again, the approach was through the environmental piece of it.
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I, too, was not really thinking about the internal disruption until I started reading in journals and listening to other scientists.
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talk about this.
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But this was sort of like whisper in the air.
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It was really not something that was being shouted from the rooftops, what it should be doing, quite honestly.
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And then when our chief scientific officer, Phil Kennedy, called me and said, I have this crazy idea.
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What do you think?
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And because we're both nerds together and we understand mechanisms of action and how things work, I'm like, this is brilliant.
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And this is actually going to manifest a transformation that, quite frankly, is probably Nobel Peace Prize winning.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Beautiful.
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I love it.
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Now, has there ever been a patient or perhaps many patients that made you think we're treating disease without asking why people are becoming sick in the first place?
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Have you had those cases where you're like, no, we're just, we're missing something?
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Pretty much everybody.
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And in particular, specifically people, younger people with new onset autoimmune illnesses.
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And because I'm a lifestyle medicine doctor and a cannabinoid researcher, you know, we straighten in herbal medicine and mushrooms.
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We straighten out their diet, their internal milieu as best as we can.
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And yet there are some people that are refractory to those types of environmental changes, internal environment.
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Clean up their food.
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They think positive.
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They do all the things that you're supposed to do.
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And yet good health seems to evade them.
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And then we start with, you know, layering pharmaceuticals, which, you know, I try to use as a stop gap, not as a continuum as a tool.
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And I believe this is one of many missing links because we don't know it all.
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But I think this is a huge piece of that puzzle because microplastics in and of themselves are deleterious.
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But on top of it, they bring in, like a Trojan horse, friends or foes for us where they carry in heavy metals.
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They carry in pesticides.
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They carry in, you know, forever chemicals, the PFAS.
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And it's almost like they're this Trojan horse in addition to doing terrible things in and of themselves.
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That's pretty crazy.
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So talk to us a little bit about your frustrations with how conventional medicine currently approaches environmental toxicants.
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For those of you who can't see, she's laughing her head off right now.
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So where do we begin with that?
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I mean...
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I've always been somebody who looked at diet and exercise.
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Since I was 13, I stopped eating refined carbohydrates and processed foods and animal products.
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My mother hated me for that because I shined a light on something that she really didn't want to see, but ultimately changed.
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The challenge is that these things, these issues are literally not taught in any medical school, in any residency, any fellowship, unless you seek it out.
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And so back in the early 2000s, I sought it out.
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And that's when I stopped practicing as an anesthesiologist because I'm like, I'm poisoning people.
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And this is just not where I want to be with my life.
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I entered the medical field because I was very idealistic.
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I wanted to make a difference.
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I wanted to impact people's lives in a positive way.
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I wanted to save the world.
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And I believe that I could do it, except that every time I bring it up to my colleagues, they look at me like I am crazy.
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So yes, it's frustrating.
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However, we're at a time now that is so positive.
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I think there's a lot more acceptance.
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There's certainly a lot more acceptance in patients and people who demand these things, which is fabulous.
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And there are now a lot more channels like lifestyle medicine.
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I was the second class to graduate and get board certified in lifestyle medicine.
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I'm involved in fellowship training for A4M, the American Academy of Anti-Aging.
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Again, learning about inflammation, inflammation, learning about how we can help ourselves.
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We can't escape our air.
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We can't escape our water.
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But we certainly can make huge progress in treating ourselves with a whole host of different tools, including what Pure BioHealth is selling right or is going to sell right now.
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That's fantastic.
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Let's touch on the book quickly because first of all, great title, Poisoned by Convenience.
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I mean, right up there with the company name, but you could have published another scientific paper.
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Instead, you wrote a book for the public.
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Why?
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I wanted it to be accessible, not just to my fellow colleagues in the medical and
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the general public to learn, to read, have access to, because we talk about this study, the, you know, the, the, the hallmark study that we did on people.
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We talked about the results of the companion animal study.
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And I want people to realize when, when they hear these things, because now we're hearing it more, you know, first it was a whisper.
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Now it's a conversation.
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It's going to be a scream soon.
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And I don't want them to feel paralyzed by fear.
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I want them to feel empowered that there are different ways to help ourselves.
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Yeah, I love that.
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Heather, you contributed to this book as well.
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Do you have anything to add to this or...
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Yes, thank you.
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My major contribution had to do with the hallmarks of aging and how microplastics impact also beauty span, which is a term.
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I don't know if you've heard that before, Natalie, but it's a term Dr. Janet Zand, who's on our team, also coined.
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And and yeah.
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The book is meant to be a tool.
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And our voice through Pure BioHealth is, our intention is to help people understand there are solutions and there are a lot of people that care.
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There are many physicians and peers, as Dr. Kimless referenced, that are behind the times.
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I feel like there's many more that are ahead of the curve and that care about healthspan.
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I think one of the things that really surprises me in this journey is as you continue to learn about food, as you continue to learn about policy, and you see more and more what's available to children, to pets, to people,
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It's pretty surprising what's allowed in our food.
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It's pretty shocking what's in animal protein.
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It's pretty eye-popping when you think about what our children are exposed to in school.
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I heard a statistic that cafeterias are bigger in terms of the volume that they produce and what they feed children than putting Starbucks and Subway and one other business together.
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There are a lot of people, scientists, politicians, there are people all over the world who really care about these issues.
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And podcasts like yours make a really big difference in helping people understand they do have choices and there are solutions.
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Because we don't want this to come across as this is a very serious issue.
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But there are things people can do absolutely today in their own homes to start to.
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take control of their biology to reduce microplastic exposure for themselves and their pets and their children.
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And that's part of what the book's designed to do as well.
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Dr. Kimless, was there something you discovered while writing that surprised even you?
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So, yes, it's terrifying how much plastic is in our environment.
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Everywhere you look, when I started thinking about the solution chapter and the appendix for a checklist in the back of the book, where I wanted to empower people so they could look, and just looking around, the footbeds of your shoes.
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I mean, think about it.
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If you're wearing gloves, there's plastic in there.
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Even sheepskin gloves?
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Yeah, well, it depends on how it's manufactured, but if it's pure sheepskin and put together with glue, maybe not, but even glue has some stuff in it.
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So it's just shocking to see that.
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And so, again, we put in alternatives, what are solutions?
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So in the back of the book, in the appendix, there's checklists as to what to do.
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The other shocking thing is even if you purchase organic fruits and vegetables, they're contaminated.
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And if you purchase them in a frozen bag thinking, oh, well, we know that when you heat something in plastic, then it leaches out very quickly.
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But what is interesting is if you take something that's wrapped in plastic and you defrost it,
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That change in temperature promotes that leaching.
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So don't defrost in the plastic.
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Exactly.
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All that is holy.
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Right.
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No kidding.
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Get rid of the plastic.
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How much damage did Tupperware do to our world, you figure?
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Like I was a Tupperware addict once upon a time.
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You know, living in a city and not wanting, you know, triggers.
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So, yeah.
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I think there was that time, right?
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I mean, I flipped everything over to Pyrex years ago, but definitely it's still out there.
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Okay.
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So Heather, was there ever a point where the evidence became emotionally difficult to just even keep reading it?
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Like, were there points where you were just holding your head?
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I mean, the good news is I love that there's this whole solution section at the end of the book, but...
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Was there a point in your research or when you were reading the book that you just kind of went, oh my God, I can't believe this is what I'm seeing here?
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How I move through life, I tend to be wired in a proactive, positive way.
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I think I'm blessed.
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I think that's a genetic blessing that I have.
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But the truth is that our team, of course, the scientific team, we're on a text thread, on email threads, and we receive articles.
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We send them to each other frequently.
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And when I see those articles...
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Yes, it's deeply disturbing.
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It's very upsetting.
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However, because there are things that we can do about it and there are ways to address it.
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And I'm not just saying that just to sound like I'm putting a pretty little bandaid on something.
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Yeah.
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It encourages me.
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It makes me even more passionate about the work that we're doing within the company and that everyone else is doing to address this and many other environmental talks and issues.
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Our company touches humans.
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It touches companion animals.
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And it touches agriculture, which is one I'm extremely passionate about.
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We're talking with two major, major companies.
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who I won't name, but they're both privately held.
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One owner is fourth generation, incredibly credible, classy gentleman, visionary.
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And then the other one is one of the biggest feed companies in the world, second generation.
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So we're talking to people who care, who can change the food system from the soil to the animal to the table.
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And so that excites me.
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So every time I see something as you're alluding to,
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I'm just fueled to make a difference with the team, with everybody.
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It just excites me to be able to impact in any way that we can.
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And we are.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's another superpower.
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You seem to collect them.
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Let's talk about those companion animals because you did.
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I mean, obviously animal research is a big deal, but you approach this from a different perspective, right?
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Like most people think of their dogs or even their cats as companions.
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But you see them, and of course that is what they are, but you also see them as environmental sentinels.
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Either of you would like, want to unpack that concept for us.
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Our beautiful pets are the perfect sentinels, unfortunately, or they live in our homes.
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They breathe our air.
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They drink the water that we drink.
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On top of it, they are closer to ground level where if we have carpeting in there or if there is polyurethane on the hardwood floors, they eat plastic toys.
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Most of their foods are packaged in plastic.
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And the challenge is that they live roughly one-seventh of our lifespan, about.
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So this compression, which you said, is scientifically valuable.
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I mean, we are, you know, using that information in this.
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And so whatever is slowly accumulating in us over decades accumulates in them in a lot shorter period of time.
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And our canine study revealed exactly that.
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We found detectable circulating microplastic burden across every dog tested.
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And there were different ages from a puppy to an older dog.
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But more important, and one dog actually ate a remote control, which is plastic.
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And they do do that, unfortunately, yes.
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Which is plastic, right?
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Yes.
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And yet every single dog mirrored our human study where they responded to the intervention.
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That is, I mean, there is no placebo with dogs.
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Right.
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Well, it's funny because somebody said to me, are you going to run a placebo control with our companion animals?
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I'm like,
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What placebo do we really need for this?
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Are they going to, you know, cheek the powder?
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Are they going to, you know, eat a non-plastic remote?
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Like, I don't know what that means.
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No.
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No, I think maybe they don't understand exactly the purpose of the placebo.
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But what's interesting is, you know, at least it tells us that this microplastic burden, one, is real.
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Two, we can measure it.
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And three, it's not our destiny.
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We can actually reduce it and get it out of our systems, which is so exciting and which makes me really proud to be a part of a team of really brilliant people.
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A lot of your audience is familiar with Roundup and that that is glyphosate.
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And companion animals have an enormous amount of glyphosate in their circulating blood compared to humans.
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And so we were testing for glyphosate as well in the companion animals before they take our technology.
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And I wanted to just expand on the canine study because it was kind of precious.
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We had everything from a French bulldog to a cane corso.
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And, you know, rescue dogs off the streets of Los Angeles who literally one of them literally ate garbage and ate everything and consumed everything.
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And so after we started the study, the cane corso is the one who ate the remote control.
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And we thought, oh, no, he's going to we're going to have he's going to have an increase in microplastics in the system.
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And it's pretty incredible he didn't.
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The I think kind of the most endearing story was a little French bulldog who had.
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An incredible amount of microplastics.
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The average human globally, the representation, the number, the representation of circulating plastics is 21.
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This little French bulldog had 48 microplastics.
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And that's nanoplastics, regular microplastics, and then larger size particles.
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At the end of the study, he went down to one particle and one dog achieved total clearance.
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So we're pretty thrilled.
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And we think that pet owners, I mean, it's your family.
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And we think it's going to make a very big difference in their health span.
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Yeah.
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I think in some ways it might make sense because a smaller body will accumulate
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I mean, it's part of the reason why we have to be so much more careful with small children, because those tiny little bodies are, even though they might eat less, they're still exposed to all the things.
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And there's just not as much body.
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body to absorb it, if you will.
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So it makes sense in a way that a smaller dog would show a greater load.
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And I hear you on the glyphosate piece.
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I mean, I don't think your technology addresses glyphosate, but I've always believed like, you know, my dog, we had to let her go in February and she had, and this is a dog who only ate raw food.
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She, you know, she was wildly healthy until
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To me, they're walking on lawns all the time.
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They're inhaling, they're eating grass for crying out loud.
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So all that stuff that gets sprayed on the lawns, you can feed them the best food on the planet.
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Every time they lick their paws, they're getting a dose of whatever's living on people's lawns.
431
00:34:19.198 --> 00:34:22.780
Our technology does address glyphosate.
432
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:23.240
It does?
433
00:34:23.560 --> 00:34:23.720
Yes.
434
00:34:23.740 --> 00:34:25.201
Okay, I didn't get that part.
435
00:34:25.281 --> 00:34:35.826
That's why we're testing it in vivo, but in vitro in the desktop with BenCats, we have found that our technology works just as well with that.
436
00:34:36.286 --> 00:34:39.268
So that's why we're doing the study.
437
00:34:40.048 --> 00:34:41.789
in our companion animals again.
438
00:34:42.029 --> 00:34:51.954
We're also adding felines who in the small sample size we had, have even more, to your point, because they're even smaller, even more microplastic burden.
439
00:34:52.354 --> 00:34:58.237
That's maybe preliminary to say that, but in the few samples we have, it was significant.
440
00:34:58.528 --> 00:35:01.210
All right, let's go back to that first published human study.
441
00:35:01.691 --> 00:35:07.636
A lot of listeners probably heard 74% reduction and immediately kind of thought, all right, that's a little too good to be true.
442
00:35:08.156 --> 00:35:09.978
So let's start from the beginning.
443
00:35:10.138 --> 00:35:11.359
Tell us a little bit about the study.
444
00:35:12.120 --> 00:35:18.225
So the study was straightforward in design, but literally unprecedented in its outcome.
445
00:35:18.885 --> 00:35:25.091
So we took a group of people, we measured their circulating microplastics,
446
00:35:26.370 --> 00:35:26.950
in the blood.
447
00:35:28.371 --> 00:35:37.656
And this is a standardized, validated microplastic test made by a third party, so it wasn't in-house.
448
00:35:37.696 --> 00:35:38.236
We didn't do it.
449
00:35:38.256 --> 00:35:41.037
We had to send it out and wait for weeks for it to come back.
450
00:35:42.178 --> 00:35:46.500
And then we treated our humans for 30 days.
451
00:35:47.140 --> 00:35:50.522
They took two capsules three times a day for 30 days.
452
00:35:51.935 --> 00:35:57.099
And we saw 74% reduction in the number of microplastics.
453
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:02.623
But microplastics, as we've been discussing, break down to smaller and smaller and smaller.
454
00:36:03.284 --> 00:36:10.009
And so this particular laboratory looks at three different buckets of sizes of microplastics.
455
00:36:11.130 --> 00:36:18.555
And so we found by the different size reductions that we actually had a 94% reduction in surface area.
456
00:36:23.027 --> 00:36:26.849
So yes, of microplastics in circulating blood.
457
00:36:26.889 --> 00:36:40.054
So 74% reduction in total numbers, but you can imagine a beach ball sized microplastic occupies more space than a marble sized microplastic in the blood.
458
00:36:40.674 --> 00:36:47.937
So when we looked at the three different buckets, we did a little math and we did some calculations and we came up with...
459
00:36:48.576 --> 00:36:54.068
you know, greater than 90% reduction in total surface area, which is huge.
460
00:36:54.108 --> 00:36:54.709
That is huge.
461
00:36:55.070 --> 00:36:59.740
And interestingly, the same thing with our companion animals when we did that same calculation.
462
00:37:01.071 --> 00:37:01.632
That's why.
463
00:37:01.692 --> 00:37:08.718
Well, that, and that consistency is meaningful because it shows you that it kind of, one validates the other.
464
00:37:08.738 --> 00:37:10.520
They shouldn't work any differently.
465
00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:11.301
Exactly.
466
00:37:11.601 --> 00:37:11.701
Yes.
467
00:37:11.861 --> 00:37:12.702
In the two of them, right?
468
00:37:13.363 --> 00:37:13.603
Yes.
469
00:37:13.623 --> 00:37:17.507
Although for the listeners, I want you to know we did the human study first.
470
00:37:18.127 --> 00:37:18.728
Yes, we did.
471
00:37:19.168 --> 00:37:28.311
Our company is hugely invested in animals and we love them so much that we want to see what it did to us first before we did it to them.
472
00:37:28.331 --> 00:37:31.052
So I just want everybody to know that.
473
00:37:31.112 --> 00:37:33.172
On behalf of humans for animals.
474
00:37:33.252 --> 00:37:35.813
Well, and humans being yourselves, right?
475
00:37:35.913 --> 00:37:38.314
It was you guys that you were the first subject.
476
00:37:38.594 --> 00:37:38.854
Yes.
477
00:37:38.894 --> 00:37:40.554
Talk about putting your money where your mouth is.
478
00:37:40.854 --> 00:37:41.475
Exactly.
479
00:37:41.935 --> 00:37:42.435
Exactly.
480
00:37:43.268 --> 00:37:43.508
Yeah.
481
00:37:44.028 --> 00:37:49.211
To date, nobody's demonstrated measurable removal of circulating microplastics in humans before.
482
00:37:49.272 --> 00:37:51.233
Why do you think that's been so elusive?
483
00:37:51.253 --> 00:37:52.794
Because I'm sure people have been trying.
484
00:37:53.874 --> 00:37:54.134
I see.
485
00:37:54.174 --> 00:37:56.476
I don't know that I'm so sure that people have been trying.
486
00:37:56.616 --> 00:38:04.320
I think people have been focused so hard on one, the environmental landscape and seeing how we can mitigate that.
487
00:38:04.520 --> 00:38:08.823
And two, understanding whether microplastics are even an issue.
488
00:38:10.097 --> 00:38:22.347
And to find laboratories that could actually measure it in a standardized, validated way is not ready for prime time for many different laboratories.
489
00:38:22.387 --> 00:38:23.187
We found one.
490
00:38:24.348 --> 00:38:26.009
But this is new.
491
00:38:26.210 --> 00:38:28.832
This is a nascent industry and a nascent problem.
492
00:38:29.832 --> 00:38:31.213
And it's going to explode.
493
00:38:31.273 --> 00:38:35.657
And I think we will see more and more publications out there regarding this.
494
00:38:36.512 --> 00:38:46.720
But I think that's why I think that we are, we sort of came at the beginnings of a great opportunity where we can manifest change.
495
00:38:47.080 --> 00:38:51.704
What do you think the biggest limitations were of the study or are of the study as it exists today?
496
00:38:51.764 --> 00:38:54.205
Because I know this isn't the last study you're doing.
497
00:38:55.026 --> 00:38:59.589
So the hardest thing was to source non-plastic methods of collecting.
498
00:39:01.709 --> 00:39:02.530
How did you do that?
499
00:39:02.870 --> 00:39:04.151
With much difficulty.
500
00:39:04.352 --> 00:39:05.793
Glass syringes?
501
00:39:05.813 --> 00:39:07.314
Does that even exist anymore?
502
00:39:07.354 --> 00:39:07.835
Yes, they do.
503
00:39:07.855 --> 00:39:09.957
But even the Stomper is plastic.
504
00:39:10.417 --> 00:39:13.120
So it is really challenging.
505
00:39:13.640 --> 00:39:23.109
And we really did a fabulous job of figuring out methods of having plastic-free ways of testing and collecting.
506
00:39:23.850 --> 00:39:26.793
And easier in people, harder in animals.
507
00:39:28.220 --> 00:39:32.062
You know, where you're trying to draw blood to test because for us, we did a finger stick.
508
00:39:32.762 --> 00:39:33.783
I was just thinking.
509
00:39:34.143 --> 00:39:40.785
And we used a metal lancet, which, you know, we're hoping at some point we'll be able to do a saliva test.
510
00:39:41.346 --> 00:39:42.726
It's not ready for prime time yet.
511
00:39:42.766 --> 00:39:44.267
We did some saliva studies.
512
00:39:44.607 --> 00:39:46.628
We did have a reduction in saliva.
513
00:39:47.048 --> 00:39:53.891
But the folks that were providing the saliva test kits were still working out some bugs.
514
00:39:55.038 --> 00:39:58.340
So we didn't want to entertain that as part of the publication.
515
00:39:59.121 --> 00:39:59.321
Right.
516
00:39:59.581 --> 00:40:07.866
And also, I mean, wouldn't you need, unless you've already done them, wouldn't you need studies that show what the correlation is between saliva and blood?
517
00:40:07.886 --> 00:40:11.048
I mean, these are different tissues technically in the human body.
518
00:40:11.068 --> 00:40:11.809
They're going to pick up.
519
00:40:12.049 --> 00:40:18.613
It's like people who do hair tissue mineral analysis in their hair, but then are not measuring in blood and vice versa.
520
00:40:19.193 --> 00:40:19.413
Yes.
521
00:40:19.793 --> 00:40:22.774
So all that, again, this is an exciting opportunity.
522
00:40:23.455 --> 00:40:23.715
Yeah.
523
00:40:24.455 --> 00:40:24.675
Yeah.
524
00:40:24.895 --> 00:40:25.616
New frontiers.
525
00:40:25.676 --> 00:40:26.436
How cool is that?
526
00:40:26.936 --> 00:40:31.738
So if a skeptical scientist challenged you tomorrow, what questions would you hope that they would ask you?
527
00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:35.141
That's an interesting question.
528
00:40:35.761 --> 00:40:36.362
Who's they?
529
00:40:36.462 --> 00:40:37.423
The patients or...
530
00:40:37.443 --> 00:40:38.083
The scientist.
531
00:40:38.383 --> 00:40:39.064
No, the scientist.
532
00:40:39.104 --> 00:40:44.087
If a scientist is super skeptical right now, what... You know, I mean, it may even...
533
00:40:44.287 --> 00:40:51.292
This may even have to do with your... How you're envisioning your next studies, the next clinical studies you're going to perform.
534
00:40:51.912 --> 00:40:52.393
So they...
535
00:40:52.913 --> 00:41:02.880
So scientists currently are asking about how do we correlate the burden of microplastic in our bodies to health spams?
536
00:41:05.254 --> 00:41:08.676
And we're going to have to do a lot more research on that, quite honestly.
537
00:41:08.776 --> 00:41:27.247
But if you understand mechanism of action and what causes mitochondrial dysfunction and cellular senescence and reactive oxygen species and inflammation, as Heather likes to use, it makes sense.
538
00:41:28.053 --> 00:41:28.273
Yeah.
539
00:41:28.594 --> 00:41:39.203
You know, so that's why, yes, we would love to see the scientific veracity to prove out those questions, but I'm not going to wait for it before we start treating people and ourselves.
540
00:41:40.164 --> 00:41:40.404
Yeah.
541
00:41:40.584 --> 00:41:43.407
And I mean, there are so many questions to be answered for sure.
542
00:41:43.907 --> 00:41:48.711
So what's the next study that absolutely must happen before this becomes accepted science?
543
00:41:48.892 --> 00:41:52.535
Or do you think it's already people just have to get their heads around it?
544
00:41:53.127 --> 00:41:54.848
I think people have to get their heads around it.
545
00:41:54.948 --> 00:41:59.690
I think our companion study is going to be huge, actually.
546
00:41:59.810 --> 00:42:07.113
I think because we're doing a very large number of companion animals and I think it will be huge.
547
00:42:07.153 --> 00:42:16.456
When we then delve into looking at tissue, which we're not doing on live pets or animals, but we want to clean up food.
548
00:42:17.657 --> 00:42:20.538
So if you are somebody who consumes animal proteins,
549
00:42:21.323 --> 00:42:25.567
or any of its derivatives, you are eating concentrated microplastics.
550
00:42:26.427 --> 00:42:27.548
It's in their tissue.
551
00:42:27.989 --> 00:42:34.154
So what we'd like to do is prevent that and reduce it or eradicate it completely.
552
00:42:34.634 --> 00:42:41.200
But then we will, since these animals are already being used as food sources, we will have access to those tissue products.
553
00:42:41.685 --> 00:42:46.792
Because I would love to take a look at that and see, you know, the organs of greatest impairment.
554
00:42:47.373 --> 00:42:48.274
How do we clean it up?
555
00:42:48.775 --> 00:42:50.197
What does our technology do?
556
00:42:50.678 --> 00:42:52.080
And where do we need to go from there?
557
00:42:52.797 --> 00:42:54.479
Yeah, that is fascinating.
558
00:42:55.240 --> 00:42:59.724
All right, let's move over to the hallmarks of aging or the hallmarks of longevity.
559
00:42:59.764 --> 00:43:00.886
It's very sobering, right?
560
00:43:00.926 --> 00:43:05.410
Because you've got people spending thousands of dollars optimizing, let's say, their mitochondria.
561
00:43:05.991 --> 00:43:08.454
Meanwhile, they're loading up on microplastics every day.
562
00:43:08.854 --> 00:43:13.279
And it's almost like you're giving with one hand, taking the other.
563
00:43:13.299 --> 00:43:13.379
It's
564
00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:14.680
Yes, yes.
565
00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:23.664
So my longevity regenerative medicine moment was when I was reading a book by David Sinclair called Housepan.
566
00:43:23.844 --> 00:43:26.325
And it was the moment when he had his epiphany.
567
00:43:28.526 --> 00:43:35.910
And how he framed it was he was reading through literature, and then all of a sudden something completely blew his mind.
568
00:43:35.970 --> 00:43:40.072
And he thought to himself, what if you could be younger, longer?
569
00:43:40.852 --> 00:43:42.313
And that really resonated with me.
570
00:43:42.753 --> 00:43:47.937
And that launched me into full-blown passion for longevity and healthspan.
571
00:43:49.017 --> 00:43:54.341
And I think this is very interesting because I also do all the things I learned from you.
572
00:43:54.921 --> 00:43:56.042
I continue to read.
573
00:43:56.142 --> 00:43:58.564
I use PEMF therapy.
574
00:43:58.844 --> 00:44:00.705
I do infrared light therapy.
575
00:44:00.845 --> 00:44:02.226
I exercise regularly.
576
00:44:02.955 --> 00:44:04.977
I have my protocols, et cetera, et cetera.
577
00:44:05.678 --> 00:44:14.286
But it really does make sense when you continue to add a toxic burden to your body incrementally every day and it's riding in on your food.
578
00:44:16.008 --> 00:44:24.015
People think of sometimes I've noticed when I talk with people, when I say microplastics, they think it's a little itty bitty piece of plastic, a little fragments of plastic.
579
00:44:24.035 --> 00:44:24.796
But why?
580
00:44:25.016 --> 00:44:35.466
What I think is really important and a takeaway I hope people understand, and I think your audience already does, is that these are carrying in a big chemical cargo with them.
581
00:44:35.867 --> 00:44:40.691
So surprise, you might get heavy metals and PFAS on one load.
582
00:44:40.711 --> 00:44:44.655
And then so you're constantly bombarding your body with chemicals.
583
00:44:45.235 --> 00:44:49.677
toxins and little plastic is not always round and sweet and soft.
584
00:44:50.158 --> 00:44:54.380
It can be like a shard, so it can puncture your cells and they're itty bitty insults.
585
00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:05.005
So that's why the hallmarks of aging and that research is important because your audience does want to optimize their protocols and their longevity lifestyle.
586
00:45:05.625 --> 00:45:08.967
And I think it'd be interesting for them to take a look at
587
00:45:09.607 --> 00:45:15.192
to take a look at the literature, to take a look at how this is impacting all the effort they're putting into their health span.
588
00:45:15.913 --> 00:45:20.738
I always find it so interesting that people spend so much time trying to optimize their mornings.
589
00:45:21.598 --> 00:45:24.801
But if we really think about it, the real work starts the night before.
590
00:45:25.182 --> 00:45:31.428
You can have blackout curtains, low warm lighting, the perfect room temperature, phone on airplane mode, the whole nine yards.
591
00:45:31.988 --> 00:45:35.311
But sometimes your body still needs a little extra support winding down.
592
00:45:35.771 --> 00:45:42.636
And so that's one of the reasons why historically I started adding magnesium breakthrough by bio-optimizers to my nightly routine.
593
00:45:43.336 --> 00:45:48.280
And as you all know, and I've heard, what I really love is that it's not just one type of magnesium.
594
00:45:48.380 --> 00:45:54.524
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595
00:45:55.045 --> 00:45:56.346
But now they've taken it...
596
00:45:56.986 --> 00:45:57.606
a step further.
597
00:45:57.726 --> 00:46:00.487
Well, actually three steps further, and this is big.
598
00:46:01.387 --> 00:46:12.611
They just launched Magnesium Breakthrough Advanced 10, 10 bioavailable forms of magnesium plus active vitamin B6 and ionic trace minerals to support uptake.
599
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600
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601
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602
00:46:19.095 --> 00:46:25.020
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603
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604
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616
00:47:21.678 --> 00:47:33.547
This sounds like a new tool in this toolkit where many longevity doctors now are looking at this environmental toxic load as one of the pillars that needs to be addressed for true longevity medicine.
617
00:47:34.147 --> 00:47:39.191
What's exciting here is that you have a new way of addressing that and this whole other aspect.
618
00:47:39.411 --> 00:47:42.553
Do you want to talk a little bit maybe about what's in this product?
619
00:47:42.613 --> 00:47:43.174
Like what...
620
00:47:43.774 --> 00:47:45.635
What are we talking about here?
621
00:47:45.715 --> 00:47:52.919
Because you mentioned all of the ingredients are grass, so they're generally recognized as safe, which is fantastic.
622
00:47:52.999 --> 00:47:54.900
But is it plant?
623
00:47:54.980 --> 00:47:56.060
Is it synthetic?
624
00:47:56.160 --> 00:47:57.081
Everything is natural.
625
00:47:57.441 --> 00:47:58.681
Everything is found in nature.
626
00:47:59.942 --> 00:48:03.924
Some of it's plant, some of it's mineral, and that's all I can say.
627
00:48:05.425 --> 00:48:08.826
Otherwise, Heather will kill me.
628
00:48:09.887 --> 00:48:11.828
But it is patent pending, or it's patented.
629
00:48:12.797 --> 00:48:13.077
Okay.
630
00:48:13.317 --> 00:48:14.238
But it's patent pending.
631
00:48:14.298 --> 00:48:16.099
So that patent will come through eventually.
632
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:17.319
So you'll be able to share more.
633
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:17.779
Yes.
634
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.842
But nothing, nothing, nothing nasty here.
635
00:48:23.222 --> 00:48:24.663
Nothing, nothing nasty.
636
00:48:25.143 --> 00:48:39.330
But interestingly, the way Dr. Phil Kennedy combined all of these ingredients, it's, it's more about the combination than the individual ingredient as to its mechanism of action.
637
00:48:40.026 --> 00:48:41.187
If that makes sense.
638
00:48:41.728 --> 00:48:42.328
It's brilliant.
639
00:48:42.708 --> 00:48:43.809
It's absolutely brilliant.
640
00:48:44.210 --> 00:48:45.731
We're launching our product, Pure Health.
641
00:48:45.831 --> 00:48:49.635
By the time this episode airs, the product will be available.
642
00:48:49.955 --> 00:48:51.496
And our ingredients are on the package.
643
00:48:51.577 --> 00:48:55.220
So the audience will be able to.
644
00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:59.521
of course, be able to see what's in Pure Health and what's in PurePet.
645
00:49:00.081 --> 00:49:03.162
And, you know, patents can take a while.
646
00:49:03.442 --> 00:49:07.303
We filed our initial patents early in 2025.
647
00:49:07.843 --> 00:49:13.964
And, of course, we've added the science to file again to go to non-provisional status.
648
00:49:14.584 --> 00:49:23.186
So, of course, as soon as we hear back from the patent offices when we will have that success under our belt, but we're covering several areas in the past.
649
00:49:23.806 --> 00:49:25.566
It's the applications for humans.
650
00:49:25.666 --> 00:49:32.288
It's also for the pets and for agriculture, as well as water and soil remediation.
651
00:49:32.428 --> 00:49:34.768
We're doing work with some universities as well.
652
00:49:34.788 --> 00:49:40.350
We're doing some very interesting benchtop work currently with a big university in Southern California.
653
00:49:42.050 --> 00:49:47.131
And that is on behalf of one of the major partners that we're talking about that I alluded to earlier.
654
00:49:47.871 --> 00:49:50.872
And another partner who we are in,
655
00:49:52.705 --> 00:49:57.967
Deep business conversations with have term sheets going and all that good stuff.
656
00:49:58.387 --> 00:50:04.089
And they have a very large brand that's physician backed and they want to do a joint in vivo study with us.
657
00:50:04.129 --> 00:50:10.432
So we have a lot of interesting upcoming research that we're delving into and expanding on.
658
00:50:10.895 --> 00:50:11.595
That's amazing.
659
00:50:11.836 --> 00:50:12.596
That's fantastic.
660
00:50:12.716 --> 00:50:13.617
That's so exciting.
661
00:50:13.677 --> 00:50:15.238
So much excitement coming down the pipes.
662
00:50:15.758 --> 00:50:16.018
All right.
663
00:50:16.058 --> 00:50:24.743
So before we close up, I want to touch very briefly on a topic that is really hot and that is fertility hormones and our future generations.
664
00:50:24.843 --> 00:50:36.771
And you've alluded to this, but you talked a little bit about how scientists have now detected microplastics, not just in babies, but in placenta, in testes, ovaries, even in breast milk.
665
00:50:36.851 --> 00:50:36.991
So
666
00:50:38.412 --> 00:50:40.816
What does that, that, what does that tell us biologically?
667
00:50:40.856 --> 00:50:50.272
Like almost, I mean, I would think that it's like, there's no, there's no, we have no defenses against this stuff getting in at this point is, is what that tells me.
668
00:50:50.292 --> 00:50:51.675
What do you, what are your thoughts on this?
669
00:50:54.303 --> 00:50:54.803
Exactly.
670
00:50:55.064 --> 00:51:00.248
I mean, prior to pure biohealth, there were no defenses against this.
671
00:51:00.308 --> 00:51:05.552
And again, this is pretty reasonable new information that's out there.
672
00:51:05.572 --> 00:51:08.735
I mean, from the beginning of 2020, I think is when they started looking at it.
673
00:51:09.355 --> 00:51:11.957
And I think, you know, the impact is huge.
674
00:51:12.017 --> 00:51:12.438
I mean, there's
675
00:51:15.126 --> 00:51:33.094
a 50% to 60% reduction in fertility and global birth rates over the last 50 years, mostly in Western countries, which leads you to believe that the more modern you are, the more exposed you are to this.
676
00:51:33.814 --> 00:51:37.856
Male fertility decline is accelerating.
677
00:51:37.916 --> 00:51:38.997
It's not even plateauing.
678
00:51:40.197 --> 00:51:41.518
And the question is why?
679
00:51:42.518 --> 00:51:48.702
You know, is it, and you know, what is it that's, that's common across countries, across landscape?
680
00:51:48.722 --> 00:51:58.569
You know, people have different cultures of eating and of exposures and social interaction, but I think plastic, unfortunately, is a huge driver of this.
681
00:51:58.669 --> 00:52:08.356
And then when you find it in testes in 2023, there was a study done where a hundred percent of human testicular tissue sampled contain microplastic.
682
00:52:09.417 --> 00:52:09.637
Whoa.
683
00:52:10.252 --> 00:52:12.234
I mean, that's insane, right?
684
00:52:12.755 --> 00:52:14.457
Placenta, same thing.
685
00:52:14.477 --> 00:52:20.123
They documented microplastics in human placenta on the mother's side and on the fetus side.
686
00:52:22.125 --> 00:52:23.727
So, I mean, that's huge.
687
00:52:24.087 --> 00:52:24.688
Breast milk.
688
00:52:26.656 --> 00:52:29.539
And if you're bottle feeding, the bottles are plastic.
689
00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:31.280
The liners are plastic.
690
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:33.502
The formula is touched by plastic.
691
00:52:33.542 --> 00:52:36.224
The machinery to make the formula is plastic.
692
00:52:36.504 --> 00:52:37.785
Yeah, it's a bit overwhelming, isn't it?
693
00:52:38.226 --> 00:52:43.390
Will the supplement be safe for babies or are we not quite there yet?
694
00:52:43.650 --> 00:52:43.810
Yes.
695
00:52:44.111 --> 00:52:46.352
I was going to say nobody wants to touch a pregnant person.
696
00:52:47.854 --> 00:52:51.797
Then the second one is nobody wants to deal with children, but these supplements,
697
00:52:53.356 --> 00:52:55.981
The compounds that we're using is generally regarded as safe.
698
00:52:56.061 --> 00:53:03.234
Yes, we will run clinical trials on these things, but mechanistically I have no doubt they're safe.
699
00:53:04.242 --> 00:53:04.462
Yeah.
700
00:53:04.842 --> 00:53:16.450
Is it the kind of thing you think can be added to, like, will it be the sort of product that might be added to formula for people who have, you know, need to give their babies formula?
701
00:53:17.050 --> 00:53:28.397
Not every, I mean, you know, obviously we, we all hope that women breastfeed, but if they can't, for whatever reason, is it the kind of thing that we might add into formula, into pet food?
702
00:53:28.537 --> 00:53:29.258
Can we go that far?
703
00:53:30.096 --> 00:53:31.396
Yeah, that's a great idea.
704
00:53:31.556 --> 00:53:32.357
You're on the team.
705
00:53:32.377 --> 00:53:34.537
You're on the business strategy team.
706
00:53:37.738 --> 00:53:38.878
Yes, sign me up.
707
00:53:39.398 --> 00:53:40.599
Yes, absolutely.
708
00:53:40.899 --> 00:53:41.719
Yes, you're brilliant.
709
00:53:42.099 --> 00:53:42.979
Yes, pet food.
710
00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:44.820
Absolutely.
711
00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:50.561
There's a recent article that just came out about the amount of microplastics in conventional pet food.
712
00:53:51.922 --> 00:53:53.442
And it's interesting.
713
00:53:53.702 --> 00:53:53.862
Yeah.
714
00:53:54.609 --> 00:54:03.793
In all of the people I've been lucky enough to do business with or have conversations with, everybody is interested in the pet and the companion animal brands.
715
00:54:05.693 --> 00:54:09.155
And especially somebody who understands pets.
716
00:54:11.327 --> 00:54:18.010
how quickly the freeze dried food space is growing, you know, the raw food, freeze dried food, et cetera.
717
00:54:19.310 --> 00:54:27.934
So just circling back to the fertility, if I could for a moment, the fertility conversation, because this actually impacts livestock as well.
718
00:54:28.514 --> 00:54:30.075
But I care a lot about this.
719
00:54:30.255 --> 00:54:34.637
I care a lot about this fertility challenge and, and yeah.
720
00:54:35.757 --> 00:54:43.441
Your audience may know this, but if I was preparing for pregnancy, God forbid, just because I've had my children.
721
00:54:43.741 --> 00:55:01.650
But if I was preparing for pregnancy and you drew my blood and you figured out my microplastic burden, my environmental toxin burden, and then as soon as I gave birth and you did the same exact blood draw, I would have decreased my burden because I passed it along to my baby.
722
00:55:03.110 --> 00:55:16.933
But but couples that are getting ready and preparing for pregnancy, men and women can reduce their burden before they start working on getting pregnant and most likely increase their chances of getting pregnant.
723
00:55:17.773 --> 00:55:19.013
And this is, you know, it's important.
724
00:55:19.033 --> 00:55:22.934
People know that and understand that because you have two issues that I just mentioned.
725
00:55:23.074 --> 00:55:26.854
One is I want to get pregnant and two is I don't want to pass along.
726
00:55:26.874 --> 00:55:30.295
I want to minimize what I'm passing along to my newborn.
727
00:55:30.315 --> 00:55:30.515
Right.
728
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:36.982
Your first study on humans was 30 days, but let's say a couple is looking, is planning to conceive.
729
00:55:38.103 --> 00:55:54.188
How long do you, would you, and I mean, right now we're guessing, cause it's not like you've done a specific study about this, but how long would you recommend that they run this, the protocol, which is the two capsules three times a day before trying to conceive in a perfect world?
730
00:55:55.148 --> 00:55:57.089
So in a perfect world,
731
00:55:57.770 --> 00:55:59.952
I would say, do the protocol.
732
00:56:00.153 --> 00:56:02.996
We do a test in the beginning and see where we're starting.
733
00:56:03.636 --> 00:56:03.837
Yeah.
734
00:56:03.897 --> 00:56:06.580
We test at the end of 30 days, treat them for 30 days.
735
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:07.501
Yeah.
736
00:56:07.741 --> 00:56:09.823
And then we would have to individualize this.
737
00:56:09.863 --> 00:56:13.027
This would have to be personalized because we don't know people's exposures.
738
00:56:13.647 --> 00:56:13.847
Yeah.
739
00:56:13.867 --> 00:56:14.488
We continue them.
740
00:56:14.989 --> 00:56:18.613
So if they have a reduction and I would put them on a maintenance phase,
741
00:56:20.113 --> 00:56:23.635
for the rest of their lives because the plastic in our air and water don't go away.
742
00:56:24.695 --> 00:56:39.341
And back to your question about adding to baby formula and to food and things, the answer obviously is yes because I do believe these things are generally regarded as safe and the amounts that we would require would be very small but very effective.
743
00:56:41.617 --> 00:56:42.817
Heather is brilliant CEO.
744
00:56:42.937 --> 00:56:45.478
I'm going to give her a little kudos right now.
745
00:56:45.678 --> 00:56:49.920
You know, she tries to influence the inputs.
746
00:56:50.900 --> 00:57:04.004
So all of the inputs before we get to the food, all of the inputs before we get to the baby formula, and all of the things that impact those things is what we also are looking to target.
747
00:57:04.704 --> 00:57:05.024
For sure.
748
00:57:05.044 --> 00:57:11.026
So it is, you know, the microplastics are an assault on us from many fronts.
749
00:57:11.773 --> 00:57:13.274
our response is similar.
750
00:57:13.755 --> 00:57:14.415
I hear that.
751
00:57:14.455 --> 00:57:15.937
And I think that's phenomenal, right?
752
00:57:15.957 --> 00:57:16.717
I mean, it's one thing.
753
00:57:16.737 --> 00:57:24.824
I mean, you've got this great product that can help us to decrease the load, but can we also now address the reasons why they're building up?
754
00:57:24.964 --> 00:57:30.649
Although to your point earlier, even if we stopped producing any plastic tomorrow, we're going to have a lot of problems
755
00:57:30.829 --> 00:57:34.650
we'd see an increase in microplastics in our environment for years to come.
756
00:57:34.750 --> 00:57:45.613
So to some degree, the cat's out of the bag or genie's out of the bottle, whatever expression we wanna use, we have to deal with the reality of what we've got right now all in the immediate term as well.
757
00:57:46.013 --> 00:57:50.695
Can people get the testing for their microplastic load today?
758
00:57:50.795 --> 00:57:52.115
Like, is that available to them?
759
00:57:52.155 --> 00:57:54.076
And if so, do you have a source for them?
760
00:57:54.416 --> 00:57:54.736
It is.
761
00:57:55.056 --> 00:57:58.437
And all of the tests, I'll tell everybody a little secret.
762
00:57:58.457 --> 00:57:59.177
I hope it's okay.
763
00:58:00.712 --> 00:58:03.814
All of the tests on the market are being privately labeled by one company.
764
00:58:05.155 --> 00:58:06.856
And all of them are.
765
00:58:07.216 --> 00:58:11.299
And so far, up to this date, we are working on one ourselves.
766
00:58:11.319 --> 00:58:12.080
That'll be an app.
767
00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:18.644
And if that is available by the time your podcast launches, I don't know if we can let you know that or not.
768
00:58:18.684 --> 00:58:21.006
But yes, it's called PlastiTalks.
769
00:58:22.517 --> 00:58:24.299
P-L-A-S-T-I-T-O-X.
770
00:58:24.619 --> 00:58:39.810
You take the detox protocol for 30 days, and then we're going to offer a, either you can take less, which is one supplement a day, or you can take our meal replacement bar, which we're going to be launching at the end of this year.
771
00:58:40.370 --> 00:58:45.774
And we also have a phenomenal chocolate that's high in polyphenol, super clean from Peru.
772
00:58:45.794 --> 00:58:45.854
Um,
773
00:58:48.257 --> 00:58:49.759
We did an assay on the chocolate.
774
00:58:49.799 --> 00:58:53.183
It's one of the cleanest chocolates we've ever seen anywhere in the world.
775
00:58:53.203 --> 00:58:57.749
We're very excited about the polyphenol levels and nitric oxide.
776
00:58:59.110 --> 00:59:05.799
So we have ways to eat your way to better health or to maintain, essentially, to healthy.
777
00:59:07.064 --> 00:59:12.485
help protect you on a daily basis while enjoying some really nutritious food.
778
00:59:12.945 --> 00:59:13.185
Yeah.
779
00:59:13.405 --> 00:59:13.946
Fantastic.
780
00:59:13.966 --> 00:59:14.846
That sounds amazing.
781
00:59:15.926 --> 00:59:18.767
Have a chocolate bar and reduce your plastic load.
782
00:59:19.327 --> 00:59:20.327
Who would say no to that?
783
00:59:20.447 --> 00:59:20.687
Okay.
784
00:59:20.727 --> 00:59:27.289
So let's leave our audience with a couple of little tips that probably are also in the back of the book, but obviously we're not going to give away everything.
785
00:59:27.689 --> 00:59:32.430
But if somebody listening today wants to reduce their exposure this week, not next year, or
786
00:59:33.290 --> 00:59:38.433
What would be two or three things you would recommend that they do right now, that they change right now?
787
00:59:39.834 --> 00:59:47.718
So my top two would be stop heating food in plastic or eating or drinking foods in plastic containers.
788
00:59:48.399 --> 00:59:48.539
Yep.
789
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:48.639
Yep.
790
00:59:49.288 --> 00:59:52.609
That includes water bottles that have sat out in your car.
791
00:59:52.629 --> 00:59:53.730
Oh, yeah.
792
00:59:54.110 --> 00:59:58.611
Or the plastic, you know, water containers that rethinks they're being, you know, environmentally friendly.
793
00:59:59.131 --> 01:00:01.932
But again, it's made of plastic and it heats up.
794
01:00:02.012 --> 01:00:02.773
So that's bad.
795
01:00:02.793 --> 01:00:05.373
You mean the reusable, you're talking about the reusable plastic.
796
01:00:05.494 --> 01:00:05.754
Yeah.
797
01:00:06.434 --> 01:00:14.737
Reduce ultra processed or get rid of ultra processed foods because they found that there's plastic particles like already in them.
798
01:00:15.997 --> 01:00:18.478
And they generally are packaged in plastic.
799
01:00:19.235 --> 01:00:19.455
Yep.
800
01:00:20.236 --> 01:00:20.416
Yep.
801
01:00:20.516 --> 01:00:21.116
A hundred percent.
802
01:00:21.156 --> 01:00:21.896
Heather, what are yours?
803
01:00:22.317 --> 01:00:25.318
I hear these tips and Dr. Kimless is right.
804
01:00:25.498 --> 01:00:26.759
The water bottles, et cetera.
805
01:00:26.959 --> 01:00:29.160
It's look in your kitchen.
806
01:00:29.300 --> 01:00:31.701
You'll be surprised where you're getting plastic exposure.
807
01:00:31.881 --> 01:00:34.823
Black plastic is I understand some of the worst plastic.
808
01:00:34.863 --> 01:00:37.204
It could be your coffee maker.
809
01:00:37.224 --> 01:00:41.446
Definitely the utensils that you use for cooking.
810
01:00:41.466 --> 01:00:42.307
Yeah.
811
01:00:43.207 --> 01:00:46.508
Your water bottle, sometimes the stainless steel, the top is plastic.
812
01:00:46.528 --> 01:00:50.488
So I've been taking my top off and just drinking straight out of the water bottle.
813
01:00:50.568 --> 01:00:56.590
It's really being aware and looking around and quickly you'll see how much plastic exposure you actually have.
814
01:00:57.990 --> 01:00:58.950
And just get rid of things.
815
01:00:59.110 --> 01:01:06.391
You don't have to go in and change everything at once, but be very aware and just change things incrementally.
816
01:01:07.172 --> 01:01:07.672
Get rid of it.
817
01:01:08.032 --> 01:01:08.912
And also carpets.
818
01:01:10.409 --> 01:01:17.335
I just ordered a new couch and I spent an extraordinary amount of money on organic, natural materials to cover the couch.
819
01:01:19.617 --> 01:01:21.178
One thing at a time, do your best.
820
01:01:21.398 --> 01:01:22.219
It is overwhelming.
821
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:26.462
When you look around, it's pretty overwhelming how much of our world has become...
822
01:01:27.410 --> 01:01:29.571
plastic or has a plastic component to it.
823
01:01:30.171 --> 01:01:38.055
Are there any healthy products, supposedly healthy products that still surprise you because they're, they are major sources.
824
01:01:38.075 --> 01:01:42.277
Like what are the, are there a couple of hidden sources that people just don't think about?
825
01:01:42.297 --> 01:01:43.718
I think you just mentioned coffee machines.
826
01:01:44.038 --> 01:01:50.061
I think Keurigs are like the, not to pick on anybody, but I think Keurig is probably one of the worst offenders here.
827
01:01:50.581 --> 01:01:54.443
But, um, are there, are there any other things that
828
01:01:59.347 --> 01:02:00.047
So blenders.
829
01:02:01.308 --> 01:02:02.348
Oh, the ninja.
830
01:02:02.388 --> 01:02:02.848
Killing me.
831
01:02:03.268 --> 01:02:14.772
So if you think about it, you're putting in your organic smoothie and you're using a plastic thing that's beating up on stuff and you have the plastic plunger.
832
01:02:14.812 --> 01:02:15.152
Yeah.
833
01:02:15.653 --> 01:02:17.393
Yeah.
834
01:02:18.314 --> 01:02:21.435
That was my epiphany a couple of weeks ago.
835
01:02:21.455 --> 01:02:24.776
I'm like, oh, I'm going to have to change this out.
836
01:02:24.996 --> 01:02:27.977
Well, it's a shame because some of the best blenders,
837
01:02:29.310 --> 01:02:31.571
I mean, blenders used to be glass, right?
838
01:02:31.591 --> 01:02:38.715
There was a time when you had a glass, but even then the base was plastic, but at least the blender itself was glass.
839
01:02:38.735 --> 01:02:42.657
But now all the blenders, I think for the most part are plastic.
840
01:02:43.417 --> 01:02:44.878
Is there any plastic that's safe?
841
01:02:44.958 --> 01:02:48.220
Is there any kind of plastic that is more stable than others?
842
01:02:48.700 --> 01:02:52.842
Can I interject, Natalie, about something that's really surprised me that has plastic?
843
01:02:53.042 --> 01:02:53.703
Yeah, please do.
844
01:02:54.183 --> 01:02:54.723
Supplements.
845
01:02:55.804 --> 01:02:56.224
Yes, yes.
846
01:02:57.465 --> 01:02:58.966
They are encapsulated.
847
01:02:58.986 --> 01:03:00.327
Yes.
848
01:03:00.968 --> 01:03:01.228
Yes.
849
01:03:01.929 --> 01:03:04.611
They come in plastic bottles and they are encapsulated.
850
01:03:06.263 --> 01:03:07.404
in a form of plastic.
851
01:03:08.004 --> 01:03:09.825
So that's my, my, that surprised me.
852
01:03:10.265 --> 01:03:12.646
So obviously perfection is not an option.
853
01:03:12.826 --> 01:03:14.887
We're not, we're not going to get to a perfect place.
854
01:03:14.987 --> 01:03:17.509
So how do we avoid becoming overwhelmed?
855
01:03:17.589 --> 01:03:19.990
Because I'm sitting here going, I'm a little overwhelmed.
856
01:03:20.230 --> 01:03:21.871
I'm playing with my plastic pen.
857
01:03:22.251 --> 01:03:29.855
I'm sitting, it's, it's pretty looking at my phone, which I don't know, this thing's probably got some plastic in it.
858
01:03:29.915 --> 01:03:30.295
Plastic.
859
01:03:31.293 --> 01:03:31.533
Yeah.
860
01:03:31.794 --> 01:03:35.698
Our glasses, our headsets, our microphones.
861
01:03:35.798 --> 01:03:36.079
Yes.
862
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:37.420
Okay.
863
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.804
We're all about to like go dive into somewhere.
864
01:03:40.864 --> 01:03:42.466
So please help us out here.
865
01:03:42.506 --> 01:03:44.849
How do we avoid becoming overwhelmed?
866
01:03:44.989 --> 01:03:47.632
So again, it's about empowerment.
867
01:03:47.873 --> 01:03:49.394
So one is you have knowledge.
868
01:03:49.735 --> 01:03:51.237
So now that you know what to look for,
869
01:03:51.890 --> 01:03:55.032
Two, like Heather said, you're not going to change all at once.
870
01:03:55.112 --> 01:03:56.774
I mean, that just doesn't even make sense.
871
01:03:57.354 --> 01:03:59.556
So, again, avoid heating and food.
872
01:03:59.736 --> 01:04:05.560
If you can, change out your Tupperware or your plastic stuff for glass.
873
01:04:06.576 --> 01:04:08.917
And many of them come with now bamboo tops.
874
01:04:08.957 --> 01:04:10.478
I mean, I've sourced those as well.
875
01:04:10.818 --> 01:04:14.260
So you don't even have to have the plastic tops to touch those things.
876
01:04:14.860 --> 01:04:18.963
You know, get a HEPA air filter in your home if you can.
877
01:04:19.503 --> 01:04:30.729
Or a vacuum that, if you have carpeting, that vacuums with a HEPA filter so you're not recirculating that, you know, the toxins and the microplastics from that.
878
01:04:30.749 --> 01:04:31.269
Yeah.
879
01:04:32.299 --> 01:04:44.247
Just understand and be aware of it, but also know that pure biohealth is coming to your rescue because this stuff is safe.
880
01:04:44.307 --> 01:04:45.348
The products are safe.
881
01:04:46.008 --> 01:04:55.175
The food supplements are delicious and it's going to manifest and transform people's health and life.
882
01:04:56.095 --> 01:04:56.816
Natalie?
883
01:04:56.836 --> 01:04:58.237
I know that's phenomenal.
884
01:04:58.437 --> 01:04:59.658
I love that you're doing it.
885
01:05:00.598 --> 01:05:01.119
Yes, Heather.
886
01:05:01.780 --> 01:05:09.062
I would say that to answer your question about how do you not get overwhelmed is trust your body.
887
01:05:09.562 --> 01:05:11.122
Our bodies were made to regenerate.
888
01:05:11.242 --> 01:05:15.243
We handle toxins and all sorts of issues every day.
889
01:05:15.403 --> 01:05:17.004
And it's absolutely incredible.
890
01:05:17.644 --> 01:05:18.784
We're able to heal ourselves.
891
01:05:18.824 --> 01:05:22.365
So this is a very serious issue.
892
01:05:23.065 --> 01:05:26.546
But it's one of many things that our bodies encounter and handle.
893
01:05:26.846 --> 01:05:29.567
And so is it something to be concerned about?
894
01:05:30.127 --> 01:05:31.248
Yes, you should be aware of it.
895
01:05:31.408 --> 01:05:32.709
Are there things you can do about it?
896
01:05:32.889 --> 01:05:33.570
Absolutely.
897
01:05:34.711 --> 01:05:50.504
So I think that when you first, when new knowledge is presented to you and you're digesting it, yes, it feels overwhelming and it's sad in a lot of ways too, but we've solved a lot of issues over the years, human beings.
898
01:05:50.544 --> 01:05:54.007
We've created a lot of problems, but somehow we end up solving them, don't we?
899
01:05:54.767 --> 01:05:56.889
And we're working on solving them and we'll figure it out.
900
01:05:57.329 --> 01:05:58.390
It's all will be well.
901
01:05:58.670 --> 01:05:59.051
Beautiful.
902
01:05:59.411 --> 01:05:59.871
I love that.
903
01:06:00.172 --> 01:06:00.452
All right.
904
01:06:00.652 --> 01:06:04.175
One futuristic question for each of you, a couple of quick fire, and I'm going to let you go.
905
01:06:04.796 --> 01:06:09.560
So Heather, when you imagine this technology 10 years from now, what excites you most?
906
01:06:10.386 --> 01:06:11.267
Oh, I have goosebumps.
907
01:06:12.607 --> 01:06:20.632
What excites me is I'm picturing walking into the grocery store and seeing animal protein.
908
01:06:20.752 --> 01:06:32.678
Dr. Kimlis is a vegetarian, but I'm picturing seeing animal protein on shelf that's in packaging that degrades down to something that truly is recyclable or that contributes to the soil.
909
01:06:33.959 --> 01:06:38.003
I'm seeing animal protein that doesn't have a residue, glyphosate or microplastics in it.
910
01:06:38.563 --> 01:06:45.970
I'm seeing food for children in schools that is healthy, that addresses these issues.
911
01:06:46.790 --> 01:06:52.535
I'm seeing a lot more people having success in growing their families.
912
01:06:53.916 --> 01:07:03.639
I'm seeing less people having issues with Alzheimer's and dementia, as well as some of the neurodegenerative issues that potentially could be associated.
913
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:06.240
I could really honestly go on and on.
914
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:10.161
And it sounds there are so many.
915
01:07:11.342 --> 01:07:16.827
ways that this impacts your health span and your health that I could truly keep expanding.
916
01:07:16.967 --> 01:07:23.754
But overall, it's healthier animal protein, healthier animals, healthier pets, healthier people.
917
01:07:24.414 --> 01:07:33.523
And environmentally, the plastic issue globally needs to be, we need to come to an agreement on how we're going to handle this moving forward.
918
01:07:34.123 --> 01:07:37.806
So ultimately, that's one of the most important decisions we need to make.
919
01:07:38.046 --> 01:07:41.468
And I hope that everybody joins together to make the right decisions.
920
01:07:42.829 --> 01:07:50.054
So I see a healthier, happier, not plastic free, but much less plastics in the environment and inner foods.
921
01:07:50.374 --> 01:07:53.416
Heather, what's one convenience you've permanently eliminated?
922
01:07:53.736 --> 01:07:56.238
Keurig and tea bags.
923
01:07:57.238 --> 01:07:58.539
Keurig coffee and tea bags.
924
01:07:59.660 --> 01:08:02.842
Now, is there anything you used to think was healthy that you know now is not?
925
01:08:03.264 --> 01:08:15.072
Yes, I used to think it was healthy to take 100,000 supplements a day and not have a proper protocol or understand my blood work or have the right physician helping me.
926
01:08:15.172 --> 01:08:21.216
So yes, just taking a million supplements and thinking I'm helping myself is something I've learned is not true.
927
01:08:21.356 --> 01:08:22.637
That wasn't five words, but...
928
01:08:24.183 --> 01:08:24.483
Perfect.
929
01:08:24.803 --> 01:08:25.544
And what gives you hope?
930
01:08:25.924 --> 01:08:29.786
People like you, people like Dr. Kimless, scientists that are brilliant.
931
01:08:30.466 --> 01:08:32.047
And I believe in human beings.
932
01:08:32.487 --> 01:08:35.329
I think that we are strange.
933
01:08:36.169 --> 01:08:38.270
I think that we are fabulous.
934
01:08:38.491 --> 01:08:40.752
And I think that we're capable of extraordinary things.
935
01:08:41.552 --> 01:08:44.834
And so human beings give me hope, believe it or not.
936
01:08:45.212 --> 01:08:51.221
Thank you both so much for the work that you do, for reaching out to me and giving me the opportunity to bring this out.
937
01:08:51.862 --> 01:08:54.045
We'll have a special offer for the audience.
938
01:08:54.105 --> 01:08:58.492
It wasn't quite ready at the time of this recording, but there'll be a special offer for you guys in the show notes.
939
01:08:59.072 --> 01:08:59.854
And also...
940
01:09:01.128 --> 01:09:12.833
I think I'd like to encourage you all to check out the book, Poisoned by Convenience, which I'm guessing will be available on every platform, like Amazon, all the big book platforms, yes?
941
01:09:13.274 --> 01:09:13.454
Yes.
942
01:09:13.474 --> 01:09:13.694
Yes.
943
01:09:13.914 --> 01:09:14.774
And it's available now.
944
01:09:15.175 --> 01:09:16.875
Where can people learn more about your work?
945
01:09:17.496 --> 01:09:18.836
Purebiohealth.com.
946
01:09:18.976 --> 01:09:28.921
Follow us on our website and we will update it as the science and our publications move forward and as we increase our product line.
947
01:09:29.725 --> 01:09:30.065
Beautiful.
948
01:09:30.525 --> 01:09:30.905
Thank you.
949
01:09:31.326 --> 01:09:32.886
Thank you both so much for your time today.
950
01:09:32.946 --> 01:09:33.987
I so appreciate it.
951
01:09:34.107 --> 01:09:35.807
And thank you for the work that you're doing.
952
01:09:36.488 --> 01:09:38.348
Thank you for the work you're doing, Natalie.
953
01:09:38.928 --> 01:09:46.351
Hey folks, just a quick reminder that all of the information presented in this podcast is for information purposes only.
954
01:09:46.871 --> 01:09:50.733
No medical advice, no diagnosing, no treatments suggested here.
955
01:09:50.993 --> 01:09:56.455
Before you try anything that you hear about or learn about here, make sure that you check with your medical provider.