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Speaker 1: The question that I get asked everywhere I go, really, whenever I'm talking about Hello Future, is where should folks be looking for bright spots in the economy? And my answer is always the same, Look up to the stars at night, look up at the moon. The economy and space is where all of the futurism exists in our economy. Hello Future, It's me keV. This is a dispatch from the Digital Frontier. The planet is Earth. The year is twenty twenty six. My name is Kevin Serilli. I'm the founder of MTF dot TV and the host of Hello Future, which you can get on your iHeartMedia app. Returning to the program, one of my favorite guests, Max Hout. He is the CEO of VAST, which is building space stations for inevitably when the International Space Station crashes back down to Earth in the ocean somewhere burns in the sky over they're however, they're gonna get rid of it. I don't have an astrophysics disagree. I just interviewed them. He's building the future economy and that's a very big job, so I guess talk to us. In our previous episodes, Max, we talk about the policy behind this and all of the science behind it. We've gotten your background, but you're a job creator. Talk to me about how your company employees all of the people that it takes to make all of this hardware, all of these docking things. I mean, you're talking to welders, engineers, astronauts. Tell us about the future economy of all these jobs.
00:01:39
Speaker 2: Based systems are you know, really complicated and multi discipline. You know, if you create a satellite as a company, you need so many type of engineering discipline to be represented. And you know, obviously the most obvious one or electronic mechanical, you know, software, but there are many more and many more subtleties to all of these that you need to work together to create a space system. Talk about human space system. Then it goes to another level, right, we have flight surgeons, we have people doing training, we have astronaut advisors, we have people that are making food systems for us.
00:02:14
Speaker 3: You know, the number of discipline that you need.
00:02:16
Speaker 2: To succeed at building a quod space system or space station is you know, kind of the top most complex version of a space system.
00:02:24
Speaker 3: And so that you know that means that.
00:02:25
Speaker 2: In each of these team for each of these discipline you need, you know, not just one person. Sometimes you need ten, sometimes you need two. But if you aggregate it all, you easily get to the size of ass which is today you know, a thousand employee, most of them in engineering and manufacturing technicians basically, but they also cannot operate and build a product in the design they need to do without many more support functions, you know, from supply chain to marketing to it to security, to finance and so on, as you find in other businesses. So incredibly luck to have the chance to lead this team and to see them, you know, the work they do every day to build the world's first commercial space station, which will also be America's next space station, heven one, and we are doing it right here in a vertical integrated way. So it means that instead of asking vendors to build a lot of our systems and peace, we get raw material that comes in, whether it's our primary structure, which is the most visible part of the whole that you see of a space station. We get row sheets of aluminium coming in and then what comes out is an actual fully formed space station and everybody that was involved in that process is right here. And then after that you have all of the subsystem that get bolted inside and outside, and all of this was also created here, and it doesn't stop there, the software, the guidance and control and navigation and so on.
00:03:49
Speaker 1: I call them space color jobs. I think they are jobs of the future that have arrived today. And I can't think of a cooler, more exciting mission to be a part of if you're a young person, and to build literally, folks, the next frontier. I mean, it's straight out of a sci fi movie. So what I find fascinating, Max, is how you're thinking about workforce development and training. Because there is no workforce onboarding for the space industry. You're the you and folks in your industry are the pioneering that. How are you thinking about new onboarding and rethinking how you recruit for these space collar jobs, which are primarily blue collar jobs what they would be called in the past, but for welders, for technicians and whatnot. Because they're good paying jobs too.
00:04:40
Speaker 3: I mean, we're luk at that.
00:04:41
Speaker 2: In the LA area, where you know we are in Long Beach, in the in the Greater Los Angeles area, there's an incredible amount of multi generational talent. Whether we all talking about programmers, machinists, welder technician. The experience that he's here and that has been grown over a few decades or gener is just incredible. We are nurturing that obviously, we are attracting that talent and are lucky for them to join us and help build the mission. You know, in terms of more on the engineering side, the key tool is really our internship, right, and you're really building your next generation of engineers on a five year timeline or something like that.
00:05:21
Speaker 3: Three to four years.
00:05:23
Speaker 2: The interns of today are engineering leader in the next five years.
00:05:27
Speaker 3: So this is a constant flux. Every year.
00:05:29
Speaker 2: We have a really large body of interns, mostly in engineering disciplines that come from amazing college all around the country. Very competitive. We get tens of thousands of applications.
00:05:42
Speaker 3: Wow.
00:05:42
Speaker 2: The people that applies, obviously are extremely passionate about our mission and about space and about finding a career where they can have an impact and build space infrastructure, right, not PowerPoint, not design, not things that will stay on the ground, things that will actually fly. You can actually hear them make some space station in the background. Here.
00:06:03
Speaker 3: I have two quick.
00:06:04
Speaker 1: Questions for you. That's fascinating. Tens of thousands of folks applying annually just for a vast internship. That shows you just how the next generation is really understanding that space is the future. You guys just came out with this, which I found fascinating and it's a great illustration just quickly of space jobs that you wouldn't even think of as space jobs. The vast astronaut flight suit the design for the next era of human spaceflight. I mean you can go online and see it. Their web team deserves a huge shot up. They just got a Webby Award vasted. But specifically the space suit is designed for astronauts. Even fashion, it's actually really important what you wear in a space station. But that's another space collar job for designers.
00:06:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we have a whole department of soft goods departments. You know, it's anything from making the bags to our gomment that I'll use inside in many other aspect of the space mission. So this is an incredible part of it to know. Now, the other piece is that design is to be really part of a commercial space station. So if you think about government products, usually there has been no design element to it.
00:07:09
Speaker 3: And if you look at the International.
00:07:10
Speaker 2: Space Station, that's a key demonstration of that. But if you look at every single commercial product in your life, from a car to a house, to a piece of furniture to a computer, I mean, every single thing you can buy is always a mix between design, function, price economics and so on. And so this is happening to commercial space station. And so you can see we've you know, art space station or designed for professional astronaut. They are not luxury hotel for tourists. But yet we believe it should be well designed. It should provide a place where people can can resk and function better. One would be more productive in a well designed office than in the corner of a train station or something like that. So that that applies to professional environment to use design. And you're talking about the suit the exact same thing, right. It's primarily a safety garment and a functional garment so that you can have your tools and you can operate in micro gravity and not catch any corner. And so there's a whole set of requirements that you need for garment for suits that are that are well suited for micro gravity. But we should also make sure it looks good and so and not at the compromise of the functions. So it's a pleasure to definitely have to be one of the first company in the world, and we expect to be the first to have it in space, to push this boundary and really bring designed to human space flight.
00:08:31
Speaker 1: It's cool. The Vast spacesuit is cool. Final question for you, what for all the folks who are listening who are trying to break into the space industry, maybe they're one of the tens of thousands of folks who have applied for your internships. CEO of Vast max out, what is one thing that a job applicant can do to stand out in an interview that you wish you would have known when you were just starting out your career.
00:08:58
Speaker 2: That's a hard question, but you know, first I would say that every single person that ended up receiving an offer, advice and working is really really passionate about the mission to extend humanity into space and obviously passionate about space. And so you know, usually people you know for any position, right from an assistant to somebody in marketing to obviously people in engineering. No one arrives here randomly, right, It's never just another job. So for this type of career, you have to be passionate, and not just passionate from a you know, science fiction kind of point of view, but you have to know the industry. What are the players, what are the companies, what are the programs that are going on now, whether it's at NASA in the private.
00:09:41
Speaker 3: Sector, the launch speakers so.
00:09:43
Speaker 2: So generally be really educated as to the context that we that we live in, and you know, space Twitter or space X, I guess you could call it now you know, is a great resource, but I would say that that's the basic, No, the context that we live in. As much as you can, that's just an a small piece, right, it's a detail. The key is really talent and skill and knowledge and really being the.
00:10:06
Speaker 3: Best at what you do. That's what gets our attention.
00:10:09
Speaker 1: Basically, awesome, Max Out, thanks so much for walking us through the economy of the future and space collar jobs. And maybe one day I'll get to go to space in a vast space station as.
00:10:21
Speaker 2: Soon as soon as we can, and I hope before that you come and visit us here and check check the factory.
00:10:26
Speaker 3: And I can show you around.
00:10:27
Speaker 1: So definitely, yes, yes, absolutely, yes, all right, thank you to you and your team.
00:10:32
Speaker 3: Have a great one.
Speaker 1: The question that I get asked everywhere I go, really, whenever I'm talking about Hello Future, is where should folks be looking for bright spots in the economy? And my answer is always the same, Look up to the stars at night, look up at the moon. The economy and space is where all of the futurism exists in our economy. Hello Future, It's me keV. This is a dispatch from the Digital Frontier. The planet is Earth. The year is twenty twenty six. My name is Kevin Serilli. I'm the founder of MTF dot TV and the host of Hello Future, which you can get on your iHeartMedia app. Returning to the program, one of my favorite guests, Max Hout. He is the CEO of VAST, which is building space stations for inevitably when the International Space Station crashes back down to Earth in the ocean somewhere burns in the sky over they're however, they're gonna get rid of it. I don't have an astrophysics disagree. I just interviewed them. He's building the future economy and that's a very big job, so I guess talk to us. In our previous episodes, Max, we talk about the policy behind this and all of the science behind it. We've gotten your background, but you're a job creator. Talk to me about how your company employees all of the people that it takes to make all of this hardware, all of these docking things. I mean, you're talking to welders, engineers, astronauts. Tell us about the future economy of all these jobs.
00:01:39
Speaker 2: Based systems are you know, really complicated and multi discipline. You know, if you create a satellite as a company, you need so many type of engineering discipline to be represented. And you know, obviously the most obvious one or electronic mechanical, you know, software, but there are many more and many more subtleties to all of these that you need to work together to create a space system. Talk about human space system. Then it goes to another level, right, we have flight surgeons, we have people doing training, we have astronaut advisors, we have people that are making food systems for us.
00:02:14
Speaker 3: You know, the number of discipline that you need.
00:02:16
Speaker 2: To succeed at building a quod space system or space station is you know, kind of the top most complex version of a space system.
00:02:24
Speaker 3: And so that you know that means that.
00:02:25
Speaker 2: In each of these team for each of these discipline you need, you know, not just one person. Sometimes you need ten, sometimes you need two. But if you aggregate it all, you easily get to the size of ass which is today you know, a thousand employee, most of them in engineering and manufacturing technicians basically, but they also cannot operate and build a product in the design they need to do without many more support functions, you know, from supply chain to marketing to it to security, to finance and so on, as you find in other businesses. So incredibly luck to have the chance to lead this team and to see them, you know, the work they do every day to build the world's first commercial space station, which will also be America's next space station, heven one, and we are doing it right here in a vertical integrated way. So it means that instead of asking vendors to build a lot of our systems and peace, we get raw material that comes in, whether it's our primary structure, which is the most visible part of the whole that you see of a space station. We get row sheets of aluminium coming in and then what comes out is an actual fully formed space station and everybody that was involved in that process is right here. And then after that you have all of the subsystem that get bolted inside and outside, and all of this was also created here, and it doesn't stop there, the software, the guidance and control and navigation and so on.
00:03:49
Speaker 1: I call them space color jobs. I think they are jobs of the future that have arrived today. And I can't think of a cooler, more exciting mission to be a part of if you're a young person, and to build literally, folks, the next frontier. I mean, it's straight out of a sci fi movie. So what I find fascinating, Max, is how you're thinking about workforce development and training. Because there is no workforce onboarding for the space industry. You're the you and folks in your industry are the pioneering that. How are you thinking about new onboarding and rethinking how you recruit for these space collar jobs, which are primarily blue collar jobs what they would be called in the past, but for welders, for technicians and whatnot. Because they're good paying jobs too.
00:04:40
Speaker 3: I mean, we're luk at that.
00:04:41
Speaker 2: In the LA area, where you know we are in Long Beach, in the in the Greater Los Angeles area, there's an incredible amount of multi generational talent. Whether we all talking about programmers, machinists, welder technician. The experience that he's here and that has been grown over a few decades or gener is just incredible. We are nurturing that obviously, we are attracting that talent and are lucky for them to join us and help build the mission. You know, in terms of more on the engineering side, the key tool is really our internship, right, and you're really building your next generation of engineers on a five year timeline or something like that.
00:05:21
Speaker 3: Three to four years.
00:05:23
Speaker 2: The interns of today are engineering leader in the next five years.
00:05:27
Speaker 3: So this is a constant flux. Every year.
00:05:29
Speaker 2: We have a really large body of interns, mostly in engineering disciplines that come from amazing college all around the country. Very competitive. We get tens of thousands of applications.
00:05:42
Speaker 3: Wow.
00:05:42
Speaker 2: The people that applies, obviously are extremely passionate about our mission and about space and about finding a career where they can have an impact and build space infrastructure, right, not PowerPoint, not design, not things that will stay on the ground, things that will actually fly. You can actually hear them make some space station in the background. Here.
00:06:03
Speaker 3: I have two quick.
00:06:04
Speaker 1: Questions for you. That's fascinating. Tens of thousands of folks applying annually just for a vast internship. That shows you just how the next generation is really understanding that space is the future. You guys just came out with this, which I found fascinating and it's a great illustration just quickly of space jobs that you wouldn't even think of as space jobs. The vast astronaut flight suit the design for the next era of human spaceflight. I mean you can go online and see it. Their web team deserves a huge shot up. They just got a Webby Award vasted. But specifically the space suit is designed for astronauts. Even fashion, it's actually really important what you wear in a space station. But that's another space collar job for designers.
00:06:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we have a whole department of soft goods departments. You know, it's anything from making the bags to our gomment that I'll use inside in many other aspect of the space mission. So this is an incredible part of it to know. Now, the other piece is that design is to be really part of a commercial space station. So if you think about government products, usually there has been no design element to it.
00:07:09
Speaker 3: And if you look at the International.
00:07:10
Speaker 2: Space Station, that's a key demonstration of that. But if you look at every single commercial product in your life, from a car to a house, to a piece of furniture to a computer, I mean, every single thing you can buy is always a mix between design, function, price economics and so on. And so this is happening to commercial space station. And so you can see we've you know, art space station or designed for professional astronaut. They are not luxury hotel for tourists. But yet we believe it should be well designed. It should provide a place where people can can resk and function better. One would be more productive in a well designed office than in the corner of a train station or something like that. So that that applies to professional environment to use design. And you're talking about the suit the exact same thing, right. It's primarily a safety garment and a functional garment so that you can have your tools and you can operate in micro gravity and not catch any corner. And so there's a whole set of requirements that you need for garment for suits that are that are well suited for micro gravity. But we should also make sure it looks good and so and not at the compromise of the functions. So it's a pleasure to definitely have to be one of the first company in the world, and we expect to be the first to have it in space, to push this boundary and really bring designed to human space flight.
00:08:31
Speaker 1: It's cool. The Vast spacesuit is cool. Final question for you, what for all the folks who are listening who are trying to break into the space industry, maybe they're one of the tens of thousands of folks who have applied for your internships. CEO of Vast max out, what is one thing that a job applicant can do to stand out in an interview that you wish you would have known when you were just starting out your career.
00:08:58
Speaker 2: That's a hard question, but you know, first I would say that every single person that ended up receiving an offer, advice and working is really really passionate about the mission to extend humanity into space and obviously passionate about space. And so you know, usually people you know for any position, right from an assistant to somebody in marketing to obviously people in engineering. No one arrives here randomly, right, It's never just another job. So for this type of career, you have to be passionate, and not just passionate from a you know, science fiction kind of point of view, but you have to know the industry. What are the players, what are the companies, what are the programs that are going on now, whether it's at NASA in the private.
00:09:41
Speaker 3: Sector, the launch speakers so.
00:09:43
Speaker 2: So generally be really educated as to the context that we that we live in, and you know, space Twitter or space X, I guess you could call it now you know, is a great resource, but I would say that that's the basic, No, the context that we live in. As much as you can, that's just an a small piece, right, it's a detail. The key is really talent and skill and knowledge and really being the.
00:10:06
Speaker 3: Best at what you do. That's what gets our attention.
00:10:09
Speaker 1: Basically, awesome, Max Out, thanks so much for walking us through the economy of the future and space collar jobs. And maybe one day I'll get to go to space in a vast space station as.
00:10:21
Speaker 2: Soon as soon as we can, and I hope before that you come and visit us here and check check the factory.
00:10:26
Speaker 3: And I can show you around.
00:10:27
Speaker 1: So definitely, yes, yes, absolutely, yes, all right, thank you to you and your team.
00:10:32
Speaker 3: Have a great one.
