House of the Dragon - "The Treasons at Tumbleton” (S3, E8)

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Speaker 1: The Frames per Second podcast.
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Speaker 2: What's going on as your boy, Nick, I'm here with Kenneth by inch Olo, Mike c.
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Speaker 1: Town.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am Spike Loeu of the On Deck TV show, and another week in the books.
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Speaker 1: How you doing, sir, I'm good, my brother? What up though? And we got modest media? How you doing, man?
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Speaker 3: I'm good? What's up?
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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Pretty good? We will have the other half of the rights joining us soon. But you're now tuned into the Frames for Second podcast and in this episode to sad Day, and we are concluding our weekly recaps of the hit HBO series coming from the Game of Thrones universe House of the Dragon, with this recap being for the episode eight, season finale of the third season titled The Treason at Tumbleton.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, we just I think Jalen put in the.
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Speaker 2: Chat that next season they of course, they've been renewed for season four. It would be the final season and it won't come out till twenty twenty eight, which is I guess that's what the election year.
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Speaker 1: And the Olympics last stuff going all that year.
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Speaker 2: But while we're here now in the President, let's get everybody's overall thoughts on the season finale.
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Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Rod.
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Speaker 3: Oh Man, I thought it was good, man. I thought it was a solid ending.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't leave us on like this crazy cliffhanger or anything.
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Speaker 3: I knew it wouldn't. I was like, it's just the way the season was going.
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Speaker 4: I figured that it wouldn't land on like a really, really like harsh cliffhanger. So I think it set us up to be to anticipate the next one without feeling mad about it, you know.
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Speaker 3: So No, I really enjoyed this one man.
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Speaker 4: It had had some of the same elements that we've been experiencing the last episode with the dialogue part, and then we also had the action, so it was like half and half in a sense. I feel like they intertwined that really well in this episode. And and yeah, man, we saw some some interesting things and some cool things.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I enjoyed it.
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Speaker 1: What about you, Mike? Oh? This was this was fantastic.
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Speaker 5: My only gripe for the entire show was I don't know why they.
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Speaker 2: Labeled the episode that way, because it kind of ruined like what actually happened a little bit, because the whole time I'm like, Okay, where's the treason? There's gonna be a treason. Other than that, I thought this episode was was great. Like I was trying to watch it while I was working and I wasn't getting shit done because I was like, it's going on.
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Speaker 1: This is crazy, all these twists and turns. This was This was a one. This was a good ass episode. Mike. To your two things what you just said.
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Speaker 2: One, I'm always shocked by how much information you're able to retain and remember based on you always are working.
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Speaker 1: When you watch every review that we doing. I don't know how you do it. But another thing, you're right, I'm surprised they didn't call this the Battle at Tumbleton.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why I didn't call that. They usually call it all the episodes like that, So yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 6: They would have called it the Rumble at Tumbleton. Talking about no, I never looked at the titles.
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Speaker 2: I don't typically either, but I feel like this I did, because you know what, fuck it, I'm really with my mind. I had HBO through my phone and for some reason it went away, and I was like, well, I gotta watch the episodes. I had to go find it somewhere else, so I when I clicked it on this other place that the title.
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Speaker 1: Was there, that's your that's your friend's house, right heah, yeah.
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Speaker 5: At my friend's house. I don't feel so bad because this is not my fault.
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Speaker 2: HBO fucked up so I didn't have time to like call them and get it straightened out, so I was like, well fuck it.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, the episode titles, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't know why they would do that.
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Speaker 6: When we were all overall thoughts loop, I'm greens with the room so far. Yeah, they stuck the land and this felt like Game of Throne series. It was nothing like last year, which is I'm scared that we feared them for But no, they heard the criticism. They did all the things. They had, the battles, they had, the dialogue. They ended with just enough of a cliffhanger where they wasn't pissing us off as something that happened. We got to wait two years to see it. Everything was it was a one. This might see everything lined up like everything paid off.
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Speaker 1: This was good TV right now?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I was I was all in. I was all in from the moment it started. It was intense. I was tense. I thought it was great. It's a it was a great way to end the season, seeing the full character arc of Renera playout all the way at the end. Nah, this this ship was, this ship was yeah, this this was own point. Yeah, I need a popcorn. I need.
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Speaker 1: After the first viewing, I don't know why, I was slightly underwhelmed because I don't know I expected something. I don't know what I expected.
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Speaker 2: But then I watched it again and I was like tell, I was like, oh, this did happen?
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Speaker 1: That did happen? This did like like when I run down the checklist, I'm like, oh, yeah, I can't I can't run.
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Speaker 8: This was a damn good episode. There was a lot of stuff. There was a lot of stuff, everything everything. Yeah, so it was a damn good episode. Great season overall in my opinion. So let's not buryed lead anymore and just get right into it again. I'm going to discuss things in blocks so you can kind of move forward with it. But we start off this episode with us seeing uh the Black nurse come into the nearest bedroom to let her know that Agon not only is alive, but so is this dragon, and they flying to heron hall. I don't know if they knew where they were flying, but I I just know the dragon was flying. So the first thing I do I gotta do, is I met I'm wrong because I.
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Speaker 1: Didn't believe so because he got because he got burnt up, and did he get bit too? I thought he was because they keep on saying he crippled. They said he's a cripple dragon. Even Damon called him a cripple dragon, and I was like, I thought he was just laying I thought he was laying locked. But he's got half a face too. He got fucked up, but yeah he could fly. Yeah, so I was wrong with that.
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Speaker 2: But I'll start with you, Mike, what did you think of Ranier's reaction to this news. It's about what I would expect from her punk ass, crying and having her panic attack and ship run around.
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Speaker 1: Man, I was like, shut the fuck up. So you completely flipped on team Black. I'm not team anything at this point.
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Speaker 2: I think that's what's making this show very easy for me to watch because I don't really I don't have a dog in the fight. There's people I like, which I'll get to later, but as far as the two leaders, I don't care. I don't like Ranera, I don't like agon Amon or none. Of the mother Man's I don't care who wins. I'm just enjoying the ride.
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Speaker 1: Got What was your reaction to her receiving the news about Agon about what I expected? Yeah, she ain't. She's been doing this the whole She's been doing this the whole season. We all broke.
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Speaker 9: The word.
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Speaker 5: Even though he didn't say it, we all heard the word.
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Speaker 1: It was like fantom. It was like a phantom word. When is he gonna say? She's bitter, very bitter, pickering all the words.
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Speaker 6: But yeah, this is about what I expected from her and the pan just being like, oh ship, what am I supposed to do?
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Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do?
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Speaker 6: And I like, to Ken's point about the uppisode starting here, they try to like ease it and she sleep and then boom, we right to it.
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Speaker 1: We right to it. It never stopped pace from there. Yeah, I.
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Speaker 2: Was very interested On, Like she always seems sometimes like she's a little kid again whenever she goes to uh, what's his name, her uncle, her uncle husband, dam Yeah, every time she goes to Damon, like she's just like a kid, like a child, like she's just crying, like asking him for help. But Rod, did you believe Damon when he promised from there like yeah, I'm not gonna make a momse out of you.
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Speaker 1: We can we could go attack someone. We're gonna do a nice we do a nice takeover.
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Speaker 3: No I did not.
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Speaker 4: We already know what he be on, man, But nah, like, uh no, that was a good scene, man, like like this this went right along what they've been doing with them from the jump with the hi Valarian talk and that calming her or whatnot.
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Speaker 3: So but nah, man, I thought I thought it was a really good scene.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, like at this point, Ranier and that and when she's acting like that is annoying, but I still like it for the show, you know what I'm saying, because you know, because we see the contrast between her and her and Damon, and I really like that contrast on time or whatnot, because I feel like it's gonna build up to something which we see.
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Speaker 3: But so yeah, no, it was it was like here you go again or whatnot.
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Speaker 4: But I did like how he handled her, and we already knew what Tom it was when it came to the battle, and it didn't matter what she was.
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Speaker 2: Friend, and it was was for Near's decision to attack Tom with in like seven episodes too late.
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Speaker 7: It definitely was. You know, it's something that we've kind of been documenting. Damon has been pushing for for seven episodes and finally is here. This is what he's been waiting on, and he's elated to finally get a chance.
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Speaker 1: To do it.
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Speaker 7: And this is why I liked the season because I thought this scene starting here was perfect because Renea was finally broken. This was the last version of this Reneerver that I think we will see, and her coming in there crying, being all emotionable emotional emotion emotionable emotional and vulnerable and a so called woman, having Damon kind of talk her through the net steps her realizing that Damon was right and realizing that there's really only one path to get this done, and if she would have listened to him earlier, she wouldn't really be as concerned about a god anymore. But now you saw in this scene all of that ship went out the door.
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Speaker 1: By the time this scene was over, I was gonna say she kind she hyped her. I don't know if he hyped her up, but like, nonetheless, her mood changed completely by the end of that conversation. Yep, that's why.
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Speaker 7: I loved it because it was like because as soon as the end, I was like, oh, there she go. I said that that's it, that one her her villain arc is complete. You disagree with that, Mike, Yeah, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't think it's complete. She's she's gonna do much worse.
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Speaker 2: She didn't really do that many bad things here, but nah, I think I think next season her villain arc will be complete. She's gonna she's gonna do some stupid ship. She did a lot of stupid ship this episode. That's gonna bite her in the ass. But I have a feeling that's gonna get much worse.
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Speaker 1: I can ride out with that. Yeah, yeah, this is the beginning of it. Then it's the beginning. Yeah, I feel there. Yeah. Well she she started off for revealing you know, the first victim is usually always black folks. Kid, and I can't wait to hear a Day's reaction to it.
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Speaker 2: But after her conversation with David, we didn't see Baylor approaching there with some with some questions on her own.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, right.
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Speaker 4: I was just like, but here's here's the thing. Nobody respects her like. It's just so disrespectful like like like nobody bro like everybody talks back to But man, it was funniest shit when she grabs her mouth. I was like, but she she kind of deserved it, though, Man, she shouldn't have been talking to shit, like like, she kind of deserved it. But I didn't want her to have that energy for somebody else though, Like you know what I'm saying, Like it's so many other people that deserved that energy over Baylor, so that that was still a little bit annoying. But yeah, that that was the first sign like, Okay, she's serious.
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Speaker 1: Baylor needed that ship though. You can't even talking to me like that. Yeah, Like, I.
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Speaker 7: Don't know who you think I am or who you thought I was, or maybe I was that person, but I'm not that person anymore. You know your your your sister went out there and killed my damn son, and you see her talking to me like that.
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Speaker 1: Hell, Y'a'm gonna snatch your ass up. Get the fuck about my face. You do what I tell you to do? You agree with that little.
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Speaker 6: My first thought was with Ross, like why everybody's so disrespectful of her? It ain't It ain't been another ruler in the history of this whole world that gets talked to like Raniera get talked to. Nobody else will go for this. But I respect both sides. I respect both sides of this. I understand where Bayla was coming from, but I also understand where Rineer was coming from because both of them, due to one of them, the other sinkings have lost love one. So I get it. But it was a good scene, and I liked how she like I said, so throw up. But I just couldn't believe how people talked to her throughout this series.
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Speaker 1: Man, it's crazy, y'all surprised, Like we saw Jeffrey get slapped up Terry, but Terry his uncle. He slapped him like twice. That's the king.
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Speaker 5: How someone that's tall as your kneecaps he still was a child?
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Speaker 2: Though still he was as was a child, he was a teenager.
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Speaker 1: Why do that matter?
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Speaker 2: Though you were saying that diss you're saying like how like you're surprised, y'all were saying, like how surprised I were that people were.
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Speaker 1: Was treating him like his uncle.
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Speaker 6: This she older than herself, damn and her mama.
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Speaker 1: It is like this.
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Speaker 6: That's the one example that y'all gave is the only one that you could give because Jeoffrey was a child and his uncle could talk to him like he was the.
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Speaker 1: Hand of the king.
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Speaker 2: I'm more stuck on the fact that y'all talking about you can't believe. That's the part that I'm stuck on.
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Speaker 6: How can you not leave, continue to continue to believe. I think this will put it over the edge for me, Mike, because I was like, damn she he made me think she's just been getting.
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Speaker 1: I didn't.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have any problem because I think Reanera deserved to get talked to like because Reina was right, not really what's her name, Bayaya, Bayla.
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Speaker 5: I think Bayla was right.
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Speaker 2: Corliss was your hand and you were just like, I'm not even remotely worried about him.
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Speaker 5: I don't care at all. So that's her daddy.
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Speaker 1: She was upset her granddaddy, But granddaddy whatever it is.
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Speaker 9: Huh, she's talking to her step mama.
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Speaker 2: She talking to a sorry ass motherfucker, that's what she's talking to. So I don't have a problem with the fact that she talked to Ranera like that, because Ranera hasn't done anything to deserve respect.
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Speaker 1: Nay, we we just got it. We just got into it.
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Speaker 2: We just got into the Baylor conversation part. Previously, we did talk about Brenier's reaction to learn about Agon's being alive. So I want to get your over oll thoughts on the episode and you can just jump right in from there.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that e'isolutely good.
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Speaker 10: I don't care if I'm doing a piss poor job, and I know I'm doing a piss poor job as your step mama and queen.
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Speaker 9: It's a way to come to me today. And if you come to me.
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Speaker 10: Incorrect, I would do the same thing to my children right now. And I ain't the queen nothing but this house. I'm gonna grab you by your face and say, little girl, who you talking to? Absolutely, Rania was.
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Speaker 9: In the right here.
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Speaker 10: You can tell me, you can tell me little step mama maybe about this. It's a way to come at me that I'm dealing with.
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Speaker 1: She started off good.
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Speaker 5: Naw, she started off that she forgot herself. Nah, she started off for respect.
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Speaker 1: When the kind of like dismissed, That's what she got.
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Speaker 9: Watched dude, don't act like y'all ain't never dismiss somebody with y'all business.
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Speaker 2: Hell no, what I'm wrong if I do some stupid ship and I see everything that I am in charge of falling apart, and then the hand of I can't call the my my myol gets sideline real quick, and here I told you to come back.
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Speaker 10: I told you come back two episodes ago, and y'all as decided to stay out.
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Speaker 9: There and get caught up.
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Speaker 1: She gets.
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Speaker 9: The way wrong with that.
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Speaker 10: I'm just saying, it's a way to tell the bitch that you're going about this all wrong, and apparently it's in hib valaria.
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Speaker 7: For me.
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Speaker 2: For me, I'm I'm it's weird because I'm really neutral because I really I'm agreeing with half y'all, but I'm also agreeing with like it was more so just because Ranier was talking cash to Baylor. She was like, you were an insolent child, and that goes from your bloodline.
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Speaker 1: It was racial to.
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Speaker 2: Me, Mike, I was like, this is I was like, I can't handle this.
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Speaker 1: Your African as my face. That's how. That's how I like that, y'all. I didn't. I didn't lying.
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Speaker 2: I didn't a blonde white woman grabs a black child by her face and said, you got a shitty ass blunt line that didn't feel racist.
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Speaker 9: That's what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, her husband.
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Speaker 2: No, wait, she's talking about her the granddaddy, like the granddaddy listened to her.
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Speaker 1: The black son, my black she was without saying that, she said all of it, like I read between the lives and everything. I had the captions of get there. But yeah, it was.
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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like you're y'all right, like she is the queen. But I did feel like Baylor did try to say, hey, let's go, where's the plan for, you know, getting granddaddy out of jail?
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Speaker 1: And she like.
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Speaker 6: They asked you too many questions, may be asking too many questions and had these dragons. She would told me, no, I just left like old White did and the other oh you said, no, okay, cool, I'll see you.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get my grand Like, yep, what you gonna do. I kind of feel that they need them. Sorry, no, no, I was.
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Speaker 4: Just saying I wouldn't. I wouldn't have been mad at that. Yeah, it was like, okay, I'll go get them.
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Speaker 5: You don't realize how much power she has. It needs, It needs Baylor more than Baylor needs.
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Speaker 2: And that's and That's the thing that I liked what Baylor was saying when she was like, once people are not useful to you, you just discard them. It's like people people remember that, people remember how you treat how you treat them. And then and and that's and that's obviously it played out in this episode, and obviously it's going to play out in season four.
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Speaker 7: And that's what I would have said, Yeah, you're right and you need to mind your place.
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Speaker 9: If I would have said that, damn damn.
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Speaker 5: Kill him.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the black Side, we we did see Alan Lout. He tried to be his best missed the nigga in this episode.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just said go sit on the council, bro.
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Speaker 6: He ain't tell you to be mister do with all nigga, no say yes something matter what what's dude name off of you?
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Speaker 1: Tino Boom, Steve turned into Stevens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was because for a moment when he commands the army, I think the army that was coming to help uh a Lord Corlis when they found out he was kidnapped. It's crazy as a grown man get kidnapped, but they were switching their mission to go help him. But then Alan was like, nah, y'all need to go help out kings Landing because I'm the fu he said, I'm the he said, I'm the houp for and the Omega of the.
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Speaker 1: Future, mister lord Ties and so I was like, hey, but that was crazy. What did y'all think? It was captured? Nick, He wasn't kidnapped.
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Speaker 9: All of that that. He ain't even got the last made. But I didn't understand that.
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Speaker 1: The army man didn't understand either. You see their hands on.
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Speaker 3: You.
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Speaker 1: You can still down, you can pass it down without the name.
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Speaker 9: Did he get this? Like this is him being on the count at the table.
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Speaker 1: Me and that he now has. I don't think so.
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Speaker 5: He thinks it does.
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Speaker 1: Though he thinks it does.
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Speaker 3: I do.
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Speaker 6: He passed it down to him. It's just not an official capacity. He passed down everything that he had to him. Nobody respects it. Don't respect they respect but you see they respect it because the guys that stayed in fault in kings So like ship, he's a dude.
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Speaker 1: I do with that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, I'm bringing with that. I'm talking about him having the name. That's the thing between him and Corners like it has. Remember with the Boltins and Rams didn't have his last name, but he got all the Castle session.
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Speaker 2: I was more bothered by the fact that he wasn't about it, like the one with the dreadlocks, the one with the dreads Are you serious, Adam, you just gonna stay here and be a punk for the queen with our daddy was was nicknapped and you just gonna see I'll do all this other stuff that the queen want to do.
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Speaker 5: That was crazy to me, but I get it. He's the more logical thing, Like you.
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Speaker 10: Know how to say place. That's why Baylor like him, because you know how to say his place. He knows how to handle his duty.
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Speaker 5: That's disgusting.
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Speaker 1: You said, that's hilarious. We're gonna be all move on butus.
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Speaker 2: But Mike, you didn't bring up a good point because I didn't want to talk about that conversation between Alan and Adam. What did y'all take from that exchange's side? Because I mean, some people in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, all right, Adam played Hayden because he took Baylor, but he was checking his brother saying like you've changed, Like remember I think was it last season when he was he wanted nothing to do with his pops, and now he's one hundred percent in not only on his pops but the whole uh be in the hand and now the future lord of ties. Like, what do y'all feel like? Where did y'all see his trajectory? Or does this kind of make you look at him differently based on how he's acting. I'll send that to you, Ken.
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Speaker 1: He got a promotion, man, you know, that's what it is. I mean, and he's gonna do it to the best of his ability.
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Speaker 7: I think that I was thinking more about what Spike was saying last week, about what the ring he received sentinel to him, and if that was that ring telling him of some conversation that Spike was alluding to. They was like, Okay, you're now the guy in charge of the family because I've been captured and I might not make it back and this place needs a leader, and I'm putting you in charge. That's what I was thinking about when I saw this scene. And I don't know if Adam is privy to those conversations or if And I was thinking what you also said, Nick, that he was just hating.
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Speaker 1: So I think it was a little bit of both.
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Speaker 7: I think he was hating to a certain degree because he didn't get to come up anywhere. He didn't get the girl or the position. And uh and I think now he just asks to kind of see what's gonna play out from here. But that's what I was thinking when I saw this scene. But hey, man, he's he's comfortable in his new spot. He couldn't get the name, but he can get this and he's gonna ride out with it.
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Speaker 1: You feel like his daddy telling him to do that.
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Speaker 4: That's what I was about to say, Kim. Yeah, I feel like his dad told him to, you know, steak his claim. You know what I'm saying without the name, And that's what he's doing. That's what we're seeing right now.
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Speaker 2: But louis he sacrifice? Like do you feel like he's sacrificed anything in doing that?
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Speaker 1: His brother? Yeah, his daddy maybe.
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Speaker 6: I feel like the brother find out what to have a conversation, telling him he sold out way back in these times, like when people sell out and do whatever the claim is on it that they've done. This is what he's talking to his brother. You've changed you ain't this thing? The third and his rather trying to act like well, none of that stuff is important to me. Now, what's important is what Dan told me, and dude just his little brother just not accepting it because he went in't privy to the conversations to kids point.
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Speaker 1: So it was a good scene, Like I understood both sides of this.
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Speaker 2: You see both sides too, Mike, Yeah, I do, because I think they make good brothers because one of them is more emotional and one of them more logical. I think that it was more what Rod was just saying that his dad just told him to stay in line and do this job. I don't think it had anything to do with that ship Spike was talking about where.
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Speaker 1: His finger was cut off. My fingers show up.
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Speaker 5: That means you gotta do the work.
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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. It just crossed my mind.
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Speaker 5: I don't let Spike drag you into.
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Speaker 3: That.
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Speaker 5: Don't make no damn sit.
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Speaker 2: But no, I do agree with Spike in that this was a really good scene, and I think that both of them did a fucking really good job acting this out.
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Speaker 5: Like I've never seen either one of these two guys before. But is Alan the thick one with.
00:27:07
Speaker 2: The ball head or is yeah, Alan is Yeah, he's the older brother. Adam's the younger brother with the dragon. Alan's good man, Alan's real good. I think you're gonna see him do some ship. After this, we then see going back to Ranier uh be approached by one of her servants as she's informed that Helena hasn't been eating and it's putting not only herself but the baby and jeopardy. Nay, what did you think about how Ranier responded to this news?
00:27:38
Speaker 3: This was what I felt like, she losing it, she losing it a little bit.
00:27:43
Speaker 11: Uh huh, I just you know, you know Helena is special and you go you waterboard her with some chicken or the soup.
00:27:58
Speaker 1: Why would you do that? It was it was chunky to day that went down easy.
00:28:06
Speaker 7: It was.
00:28:07
Speaker 9: I mean, if she don't want to take care of herself and she loves that baby like that's all her like, let her do what she hurts her body. She don't want to eat, she don't don't, don't force to like that. It hurts my feelings to see her do that to Helena her like.
00:28:22
Speaker 1: Can did you did you show anything empathy to this.
00:28:25
Speaker 7: Or absolutely not? Because Rhenea told her as to eat and she didn't eat, and.
00:28:33
Speaker 1: Uh we gotta.
00:28:38
Speaker 7: I'm the queen, That's who I am, and you motherfuckers have disrespecting me for all this whole damn season, and I'm tired and I'm done with the ship.
00:28:49
Speaker 1: So you check eat this damn soup.
00:28:55
Speaker 7: And if you won't, I can put some damn animals in it, or with some applebets or whatever. Making enticely, I can you put some goddamn butterflies here? This is you like butterflies, but.
00:29:08
Speaker 1: This damn everything you like? It's ugly, you ugly thing was I was kind of with you, nay, like I was, well, not with you.
00:29:22
Speaker 7: But the thought I had was if she doesn't eat and it jeopardizes the baby, doesn't this sort of eliminade or problem that she kind of had.
00:29:34
Speaker 1: What does I think she was gonna use that baby?
00:29:39
Speaker 2: Because that was the only thing that was making sense to Why would she care about the baby? I think she was gonna use that baby in some way.
00:29:47
Speaker 1: Oh that's leverage, like because it ain't still alive.
00:29:54
Speaker 10: She still really cares about Alison because she did promise how that she take care of her kids while she was gone? You care?
00:30:01
Speaker 1: I think that's that's over with.
00:30:04
Speaker 9: Yes, it just was like I said it was, it was unnecessary. I felt this felt very unnecessary.
00:30:10
Speaker 10: Because if you really don't give a day, like if you really are about like let us, are you saying this room to start death. I don't give it down. Whatever, I'll bring you some butterflies and you stay in this.
00:30:19
Speaker 4: God Duram moved like, just just let him not eat into and let him waste away if you really don't care.
00:30:25
Speaker 3: I don't.
00:30:25
Speaker 9: I didn't understand the point of this.
00:30:28
Speaker 2: I can't figure it out. I can't put it all the way together. But just the way she's acting made me think that there has to be something like if she has if Branera has that baby in her control, that she could use that baby to get somebody to do something. I can't put it together, but there's there's no part of me that was thinking, oh, she genuinely cares about Helene and starving to.
00:30:53
Speaker 6: Use it to she was gonna try to use it to negotiate you with Agon because now at this point knows he's alive.
00:30:59
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she being like, well, I have your son here there to take the crown or so that's what I was trying to figure it out.
00:31:06
Speaker 6: That makes sense, yeah, but I'm on the completely opposite the king, opposite side of king with this. I don't nero was low down for this man. This was like final She's being so callous with everybody, Like wasn't Ranger. What's that's the other the black Baylor, like she said, like she's being so callous with everybody, with the exception of Damon and even in moments with him too, like she just don't understand the additional part of being a tactician, of what it takes to be a leader. And it's just like frustrating to watch. And the scene right here, I muscle made me understand, like all of them were crazy, like the way that they were shooting Danny and season eight from the last episodes when she went crazy. I'm eventually understanding that all of these Targarians go crazy.
00:31:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, why you make that face like my late or something.
00:31:57
Speaker 9: You know it's supposed to say crazy.
00:32:00
Speaker 1: No, I know, I'm not that.
00:32:02
Speaker 5: I'm not that woke crazy, I still say crazy.
00:32:05
Speaker 1: No, I was.
00:32:05
Speaker 5: I was laughing because I thought you were gonna say all these women in Game of Tones, That's why.
00:32:10
Speaker 1: I thought you were going I would never with natives.
00:32:18
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00:33:02
Speaker 1: Hey Rod, I did have a question for you. What were your thoughts on the second request Rania.
00:33:07
Speaker 2: Did after the servant told her, uh, well, after the servant told her about Helena. What did Renee Rania tell the servant about Massira?
00:33:17
Speaker 1: The uh? What did you think about she treated her?
00:33:22
Speaker 4: Take your It was really like a like a like a prostitute situation like here yo here yo heard you know what I'm saying later, that's.
00:33:30
Speaker 1: What what what you finna do? Though? Definitely what to do.
00:33:39
Speaker 6: Because I'm gonna go like this war and when I get back home, I want to empty house so perplexed, like she was just like like.
00:33:46
Speaker 4: The emotion that she had, she was so hurt or whatever, like oh my god, like this this is really happening, really really kicking me out. And even the servant she was just like, look, I don't know, I'm sorry, Mike.
00:34:03
Speaker 2: I had to rewind this a couple of times. Hey, Masi's face was salty. I have the same face, though, Nick, because that was again I could not wait to review this with Job. I'm I'm I'm not sure why she did this, and maybe I'm sure there's a good reason.
00:34:22
Speaker 1: I'm just slow, but I was like, why did you why did you do it like this, Like I don't get it.
00:34:28
Speaker 10: Massaria was off for the townspeople and making sure the townspeople were good, give them, you know, money, like watch out for the townspeople.
00:34:35
Speaker 1: That's what her advice was.
00:34:36
Speaker 10: When they're like, fuck these people, they said to burn and I can't, like, you're finna be mad because she's already at this point, she's told Damon to go on with the dragons and go hit Tampleton and right, so she knows everything she's about to do at this point is gonna go against Masaria's advice.
00:34:49
Speaker 3: So I really don't have no time to hear you about you go go where you gotta go.
00:34:52
Speaker 2: Okay, So I must have missed something because I thought she said, you can have the dragons out there, but you cannot burn them.
00:34:59
Speaker 5: I she was still saying, don't attack the townspeople.
00:35:03
Speaker 10: She said, she said, go from house to house. That's what she said, go from house to house. Don't make me look like a muster. But at this point, she don't really care about what the people think about her, like I don't.
00:35:16
Speaker 9: Want to be a complete monster, like don't go full of Damon.
00:35:22
Speaker 4: But everything I'm about to do at this point is gonna go against what was sorry would tell me to do.
00:35:27
Speaker 9: Like I can't. I can't use your advice no more because it hasn't gotten me anywhere.
00:35:31
Speaker 1: That's what I was, That's where I was getting with it. They because Ken, I want to get.
00:35:35
Speaker 13: Your thoughts on the two because yet Nick, because I'm still confused, Hold on my laptop, my laptop done, I'm sorry, can give me one second.
00:35:48
Speaker 2: I'm still confused because I thought she told I thought she even told Damon to be careful with the townspeople and that's why Damon told the soldiers to be careful because the Elm is watching. So I thought they were trying to make sure that the townspeople thought they were still good folks.
00:36:06
Speaker 5: That's why I was confused.
00:36:08
Speaker 2: She was, well, he was quoting Raniera when Roner was saying, like the O the rem was watching. But I and it was a question that for you and can to answer. But I was thinking that Messorry really her advice really ain't got her nowhere, like Nay said, like doing all that. So that's why I'm like, I thought this was more of like, I've listened to you enough. I've had enough of my little escapades and sexual experiences.
00:36:30
Speaker 1: With you that I'm got my full. You can go.
00:36:32
Speaker 2: I'm I'm seeing some bread. Don't make sure you're taking care of and everything. But honestly, I don't need you moving forward. We had war right now and I try to avoid it by listening to you, and it still.
00:36:40
Speaker 1: Got me the war.
00:36:41
Speaker 2: So like that's why I'm like, you don't matter no more because like you don't. You haven't done anything, You're not useful. And I think it goes back to Baylor's thing about like once she realizes you're not useful, you kick to the cart card. Okay, that's that's kind of what I was leaning towards. You just didn't find her useful anymore. But I was just like, that was a harsh way. That's a harsh way to fire.
00:36:59
Speaker 1: Somebody because she didn't even do it in person. She didn't even do it in person.
00:37:03
Speaker 9: Yeah, she gave her.
00:37:07
Speaker 2: Now, didn't even get it's gonna get hot.
00:37:11
Speaker 9: It's about you.
00:37:15
Speaker 1: They've been waiting to say that, write these not.
00:37:20
Speaker 9: It's really not. It's just I'm sorry to go down. I don't know, like I don't.
00:37:28
Speaker 10: It's it's gonna be dangerous in the city, So just let me go ahead and put you up. So you say, yeah, she gave her like gold and it was gonna put up something. She was stupid for leaving. I would have stayed on that look and got the safety and lived with my coin.
00:37:42
Speaker 9: I earned that money.
00:37:44
Speaker 5: What do you mean she was stupid for leaving? Where did when she hopped off the buggy.
00:37:49
Speaker 1: I'm going back? Oh yeah, and went back went back where to the to the Yeah I thought she was going back to the slums.
00:37:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought she was.
00:37:59
Speaker 1: She can't go back to the castle. I thought she was walking back to the castle. He took her there.
00:38:04
Speaker 2: So now the buggy, the buggy was taking her out of the city to where it was it was meant to where she was gonna be laid up with in a nice boat.
00:38:12
Speaker 3: Uh.
00:38:16
Speaker 1: But you know what they say, little you know, once in the streets, always in the streets.
00:38:23
Speaker 7: As it was told me, nick nick, because it was told from me. She went from she ate the box to get in the box and got packed.
00:38:33
Speaker 1: Up in m m hm, yes.
00:38:52
Speaker 2: Right, because Rob they did her dirty dough because I know you said she they gave her severance.
00:38:56
Speaker 1: But you see the way was like hurry up, packed up, yeah, crazy, get this ship out of here.
00:39:02
Speaker 6: All this out of the episode. They were, you know, that's real near her best friend. Like when she said she was crazy, she was being genuine about that. She thinks she's going crazy for doing it. The girdy kicked her out because she notice, yeah, she's been ever since the little girl, the girl to kick the White Woman.
00:39:25
Speaker 1: She's been there with her since the first season ship, Like, yeah, that's her best friend. That's how name don't yes, she got one, I don't look like or Alicia or something. Like that. That's what I said on the captions. The relationship is supposed to be best friend, that's in the books. She's supposed to be to be her.
00:39:50
Speaker 6: Biggest, biggest supporter, So she was one genuine concern right there when she was I don't know what she's doing.
00:39:56
Speaker 1: She's crazy.
00:40:01
Speaker 9: We uh.
00:40:02
Speaker 2: We then see Helena crying because her outside time is being cut short and she had to go back into her room. She had to get set back to her room, but on her way she see that white horse. She basically see all the stuff she was dreaming about last episode.
00:40:25
Speaker 1: She see the white horse. You see all this? She started looking around and then she see I'm sorry you're coming up the crab talk about it's crazy head girl, don't trust get out of here. Why you can't don't go back.
00:40:41
Speaker 9: To give her that tea?
00:40:42
Speaker 10: Like that? On the way out, them nice saying nothing. That should have moved to a law like well, how are you gonna let her have that kind of conversation?
00:40:48
Speaker 6: They don't fuck with Reniera. Don't nobody fuck with Reniera. That's crazy, that's right, No one fucks with her.
00:40:56
Speaker 1: What's lou? Was there anything special about that converse? Say?
00:41:00
Speaker 2: Ship the last conversation Helena and Renvera had about the Beatles, the beat beach and the Beatles and all that stuff, like, was there anything.
00:41:09
Speaker 6: I don't know what the Beatles thing is relevant to because Terry and had a similar conversation with Jamie on Game of Thrones when he got locked up. He was talking about Beatles and they cousin killing Beatles and ship. I don't know what that means in this world. I'm looking into it, but I don't think so.
00:41:24
Speaker 1: Did you watch it? Why are you always surprised.
00:41:30
Speaker 9: You have like a white board with streets.
00:41:36
Speaker 1: That's like.
00:41:39
Speaker 9: Talking about.
00:41:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but I did enjoy it, like they, like you said, I did enjoy that conversation where we finally see Helena kind of like basically talk her ship, where she was just like, g she was talking like some bullshit at first, but then she kind of got real center and looked at her there she was like because you know, was trying.
00:41:56
Speaker 1: To be like sister, you know, you know, she was trying to do that. She trying to get She was like, she was like, yeah, you like everything you like is ugly and what she said, what Louke, she said, this room is ugly. You are ugly. I thought it was this is what made rinerda Man. She was like that you talking to.
00:42:26
Speaker 9: She didn't care about nothing to that.
00:42:28
Speaker 1: She's like, what.
00:42:32
Speaker 9: God, that's hilarious.
00:42:33
Speaker 1: This is what it is, and we'll get back to it. We'll get back to this this scene later on.
00:42:40
Speaker 2: But in the in the moment like between like Masteria leaving and then like having that conversation with when they're rod, did you expect Helena to do anything.
00:42:52
Speaker 1: Like how she did when we get like with her jumping out the window and ship.
00:42:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of saw that coming. It was just it was just how she was just kind of like she always spacey, but this was different, you know what I mean, Like it was just different. But I was really frustrated about like the whole tapestry thing we had talked about that last episode, like, man, the answer is.
00:43:15
Speaker 3: Right there, just look at the because she.
00:43:17
Speaker 4: Even had the nerve of moving it to the side, Like I'm like, man, you're asking for these answers, but they own this tapestry.
00:43:24
Speaker 1: So so yeah.
00:43:25
Speaker 3: But but past that, yeah, like her.
00:43:30
Speaker 4: Her jumping out out of the castle, Yeah, I kind of felt that that's what That's what it was gonna come to because yeah, it's just her not wanting to eat and all that.
00:43:41
Speaker 3: That that's what I felt like it was gonna happen.
00:43:45
Speaker 1: She was trying to escape. She wasn't trying to kill usself. She was trying to fly.
00:43:50
Speaker 5: She thought she could fly. She thought she was a dragon or she thought she was fly, trying to escape.
00:44:00
Speaker 1: Because look, remember she could see the future. She's seen herself following. She didn't jump.
00:44:06
Speaker 5: She the future and how does she know?
00:44:09
Speaker 6: Come on, Spike, she's smart, like she's smart, so put it out to go. She wasn't jumping. She was using the Tapa tree to try to rope down the window. But then she felled.
00:44:21
Speaker 1: You know, she didn't. I'm trying to tell you, you know, because like a been there, she has just went jumped.
00:44:28
Speaker 14: She was using the hole down and go down, No, using that to scale down the wall and she felled. But she seen herself following her dreams already. So that's why she was on the Tapa street.
00:44:42
Speaker 10: She didn't.
00:44:44
Speaker 3: Herself with the tapestry.
00:44:46
Speaker 9: So I was quite confused on how does she like, how does she end up with something in her neck?
00:44:51
Speaker 1: Like what happened?
00:44:53
Speaker 9: It makes sense y'all. This is that he got that this is fike.
00:44:57
Speaker 2: No because be out bora, because because now I was thinking, I was like that tapestry ain't never it ain't long enough nor thirdy enough.
00:45:09
Speaker 1: You don't look what are you talking about? I don't even a guy for niggas, don't know a long roll of toilet paper. She would the side of that building, show know what.
00:45:25
Speaker 3: I feel like they should have shown that if they'll actually carried, they should have.
00:45:31
Speaker 9: A Yeah, I think you laugh.
00:45:37
Speaker 1: Because I don't want.
00:45:38
Speaker 6: I don't want to explain it and win no other ship for y'all, then don't explain nothing else because this ship don't make So if I will tell you the future that she could say, oh ship, I'm gonna fall out the window, and you.
00:45:51
Speaker 1: Think that would have stopped her from doing well.
00:45:54
Speaker 2: That's as illogical as your explanation, because you're saying there was gonna climb out the window.
00:46:01
Speaker 1: She was trying to She was trying to escape, right where was she gonna go?
00:46:06
Speaker 3: That doesn't make.
00:46:10
Speaker 9: See the beatles and the butterflies.
00:46:15
Speaker 2: Herself makes way more sense because she probably knew when there was gonna use her child, so she jumped out the window. And she's been complaining about not being able to be by the windows the whole season, so it would be fact that she would open the window and jump out of it, not Oh, I'm gonna climb down in the doesn't make any sense.
00:46:35
Speaker 6: The lady just told her. All right, let me add all together. The lady told her on the way in, get out of here, leave trying to use you.
00:46:46
Speaker 1: Did she not say?
00:46:46
Speaker 5: That's not what she said. She said she's never going to let you leave.
00:46:50
Speaker 2: So he said, I'm gonna go ahead and just die that I'm.
00:46:55
Speaker 1: Going to try to escape. Now, we asked what the horse and the buggy was.
00:46:59
Speaker 6: She's seen it right before, she told her, which is why she goes on through what she said, because she thought it was prophecy from her dream, the little horse and buggy that they put the casket on right before.
00:47:08
Speaker 1: She seen the white worm. And then the white wom told her to get out.
00:47:11
Speaker 6: Of here, so she tried to jump out of the window and jump onto the horse. No, she knew the horse was gonna it stops. But what I'm saying was she seen a vision from her dream? Did she seen the white worm? Then those words sparked her to try to escape, get out of here, not kill herself.
00:47:28
Speaker 2: If that's what happened, I'm one hundred percent with Rod. They should have given us more indication. Every indication they gave said she jumped her goofy ass up.
00:47:39
Speaker 10: I think that maybe in the books that's what she did exactly this show they made it because in the post like if you watch it after the post credit, and.
00:47:50
Speaker 4: In the making up things, they said that the director very clearly said that Ranera knew she was not even if she escaped, she was never going to be able to escape.
00:48:01
Speaker 9: So I think they made it seem in the.
00:48:03
Speaker 10: Show that the intention was for her to kill herself, although in the books it might have been more to that story. So I think this is an amalgamation of their interpretation of the book.
00:48:14
Speaker 1: Well maybe they said that because they didn't want to spoil anything for l.
00:48:22
Speaker 2: I like, I like.
00:48:23
Speaker 7: I like the theory, especially if there's a reveal in in that season and I don't know if we needed to see it. I think having the thought that she's dead or jumped out because of my serious stupid ass, I like that idea because because the thing that I'm thinking about which now I'm asking, well, is she is she? Well, she looks clearly dead, but could she come back to life or something, because she's still in a good chance to get on her dragon and say drecddas like she did.
00:48:56
Speaker 1: That was part of her dream too, Right, all this stuff come from We never saw that. We just saw the horse. Yeah, I'm looking right now.
00:49:04
Speaker 2: When it says in the books that she did kill herself, man, she was she heard of Malord's death and Amo's death, that was in too much despair.
00:49:14
Speaker 9: I told her whenes to me, you can.
00:49:21
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. You know, I'm still not wrong, and I can explain it to you. Why it says that I don't want to hear no more. I know because I'm right, but I just don't want to tell you, Okay, tell us.
00:49:38
Speaker 2: At the end of season four, we then go and see Aiming have a heart to heart with Alice, and we learned about her past and find out wise she's actually a witch.
00:49:50
Speaker 4: Mike.
00:49:57
Speaker 9: It's a difference. It's a difference between being a witch and a curse. A witch do the powers she got.
00:50:04
Speaker 1: The powers did on her, but but she was in her plight to bringing back her son. She did some witchcraft that got her cursed. That's what I'm taking it.
00:50:15
Speaker 9: That bit was just crushing urs, that's all it was.
00:50:19
Speaker 10: She didn't do no witchcraft. She talked to somebody in the woods who did the witchcraft, was like, I want to go with them, and they were like, bibbity bobby boo, you cursed and now she can't go nowhere.
00:50:29
Speaker 1: So, Nate, what did you think about her backstory?
00:50:31
Speaker 10: I didn't give a damn. I don't care about her at all, Like I don't just oh, she annoys me at this point because you're not really doing nothing but trying to scheme in wild because you're stuck, so you're just trying to not be stuck by yourself.
00:50:47
Speaker 1: Rod, you felt the same way.
00:50:51
Speaker 4: It didn't have me to make I have a little bit more compassion for her, slightly slightly because she was crying, you know what I'm saying. It was it was I think it was very authentic, whereas before it just seemed like she was just trying to get what she wanted.
00:51:04
Speaker 3: But in this moment it felt a little different.
00:51:13
Speaker 5: The resident white woman whispered Rod days.
00:51:15
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but it did feel a little different though.
00:51:21
Speaker 9: Do you think they really.
00:51:22
Speaker 2: Love I think nay. And I'll send this over to Mike with me saying this. I thought it was hilarious. Once aim And found out how old she was, he was like, oh, yeah, we bet we got he got him a guaranteed milf, the milf of all.
00:51:39
Speaker 1: He was happy his hes. I do think he loves her. Why not? I don't think he loves her.
00:51:47
Speaker 2: I think that he doesn't have anywhere to go and he's bugging out and he likes old ladies, So.
00:51:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he loved it. Think he love her. He that type that will fall in love quick in short time that he'd been out there. Yeah, that's a damn shame.
00:52:05
Speaker 5: He just doesn't seem to have the capacity to fall in love with a woman. It just seems like he's got all of these issues that he just sees he's it seems like he sees every single person as somebody that he can use, kind of like Ranera to a degree. But I don't I don't know that he even knows what being in love or loving anyone is.
00:52:26
Speaker 1: That makes sense if your mama just tried to poison you, true? Yep?
00:52:35
Speaker 2: And did you think it was a dream when we saw Agon fly into heron hall on his dragon and the front aimen I did.
00:52:44
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure he hoped it was a dream too. After he got slept away, he said, I'm a lot. Yeah, yeah, but I damn sure thought he was. He was dreaming.
00:53:02
Speaker 7: So and when he said let's we need to ride out to Tumbeltown, I because I didn't know what was going to happen. I was like, oh, they're gonna go to Tumbeltown, joined the melee and kind of turned the tide of the battle. But that that didn't happen. I think he was just confused that this damn woman's in here and popped about, no what but he ain't really fun about her. Man a different right now in my betrol he.
00:53:31
Speaker 1: Said this right here, I'm fuck with this. Ain't God right here.
00:53:42
Speaker 9: This show is making me like this character, good or bad.
00:53:51
Speaker 1: It's affect because him. I'm with him right now.
00:53:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is my.
00:53:55
Speaker 9: Favorite character on the board right now because he's so he's such a wild card.
00:54:00
Speaker 1: I like it. No, I thought it was interesting that.
00:54:05
Speaker 2: This is when Alice noticed that obviously that's his brother Agon, He's still alive, and was like, all right, the only way that you can make it up to me maybe is if you come back with me, we fight, get me back on the throne, and then we can kind of see where we at from there?
00:54:20
Speaker 1: Doesn't that mess up Alice's whole point? Another one?
00:54:25
Speaker 9: Yes, she'd have lost another targarian prince.
00:54:29
Speaker 6: But I think he's gonna go back if you do that though, Like that's supposedly his wife, so he'll get married if if that happens.
00:54:35
Speaker 1: But she wants well, I don't know.
00:54:38
Speaker 2: I don't know if she wants to rule or anything, but it seemed like she I know, she wants hair and hall, but like what she.
00:54:45
Speaker 1: Don't want somebody to play house with? What's it? Mm hmm okay, m yeah, yeah.
00:54:55
Speaker 2: I thought it was also very interesting, like that they're now brotherly new partnership and seeing if he can really trust him out?
00:55:01
Speaker 1: Do y'all believe that Amen has really changed to where.
00:55:04
Speaker 2: He you know, obviously he asked for forgiveness, but y'all think he's gonna actually change.
00:55:07
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Mike. I'm not sure what to make of this this scene.
00:55:14
Speaker 2: This one didn't really make a lot of sense because I have he hasn't really shown that he's that broken up about the fact that he killed his brother exactly. So all of a sudden, he's having these dreams, which I assumed was the Witch doing this to him, but I don't see what reason there would be for her to do that. And then when she came out there with that little knife, I that whole theory went out the window that the witch had nothing to do with it.
00:55:41
Speaker 5: So I really don't know what to make of this.
00:55:43
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with Agon right now, Agon or Amon, which I get him all mixed up. Yeah, I don't really know what's going on right.
00:55:52
Speaker 1: Now with him, But yeah, I don't know about you. Robert.
00:55:55
Speaker 2: I'm like, I count him with Nay. I think I'm fucking with a god. He just because he just the he's the I'm the dog now of everybody. He's the one that everybody kind of counting out, and now he's on. You know, he's because even Helene even mentioned that he's gonna come back, I think early on this season, and now I think.
00:56:14
Speaker 4: I'm more so with Mike because I was too. I don't know what to make of this whole situation right now. So you know, yeah, because we see Aiming in a totally different mindset. He's it's like that it's flipped right. Whereas Aiming was this big, strong guy, no what like super fear, and his arc has been like he basically just just not a punk.
00:56:39
Speaker 3: But he just defeated. He has this whole defeated thing going on right now. He just want to just lay up and and live in like defeat.
00:56:47
Speaker 5: So but now you have a gun.
00:56:49
Speaker 1: I see what you guys are saying.
00:56:51
Speaker 4: It is really good writing to kind of change his character a little bit, to make it kind of root for him. But I don't know if I'm rooted for him like that. I'm still like, I still remember how he was before this, and I didn't like him then. So we'll we'll see what they do with the character. But I'm still kind of kind of you know, straight on him.
00:57:12
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Got you?
00:57:14
Speaker 4: Well?
00:57:14
Speaker 2: Moving on, we then see g Wayne and Darren at Tumbleton getting ready for a losing battle and they noticed Ormond is sending kids to the front lines so that Raniera will have no choice but to kill them and be looked at as a monster. Can you come from a military family background, what did you think about this? Strategy.
00:57:38
Speaker 7: Well, Ormond is a piece of shit for doing this, and I was somewhat surprised, but it also fits him. And from this point on I hated every ounce of Ormond and I couldn't believe well, and I was really shocked that Darren and g Wange kind of went along with it and didn't try to talk some sense into him. But the town definitely had no choice but to go along with it because they were forced to do that. I felt so bad for them, damn kids, man to use them in that position, you know, like that to try to get leverage over the war, and and that that that that shit was fucked up that he did poor babies.
00:58:35
Speaker 1: Well, what did you think about the strategy? He a dirt bag, very much so, a dirt bag.
00:58:41
Speaker 6: He lost, He lost me rooting for him right in the nick of time when before what happens to him at the end of the scene.
00:58:47
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was that was dirty.
00:58:48
Speaker 6: But I seen it led up to us understanding his character too, Like we always knew it was some grimy dirty there from the first time that we were introduced to him, but we couldn't really put our finger on it. And he does a good job of being just charming enough to where you don't see it until right here where he's putting kids on the front line.
00:59:05
Speaker 2: So fucking Mike, am I the only one that's like confused by the last two responses, And I'm like, Orman has been a piece of ship.
00:59:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he killed I thought he was.
00:59:24
Speaker 2: When he when he killed the brother of Hughes' wife for no reason after trying to like defend like once he killed him and then he let the dragon burn him and eat him.
00:59:35
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, he's capable of anything. That was when That's when it flipped for me. I was like, oh, he's capable of anything, because I thought he was gonna be.
00:59:43
Speaker 5: You're not alone, Nick, That's exactly what I was looking at, y'all crazy.
00:59:46
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait this guy. Y'all are like, Oh, this is the turn. And I'm gonna go ahead and say this was a smart ass move. There was, it was, but it was smart.
00:59:59
Speaker 1: He was really counting on.
01:00:01
Speaker 5: The fact that Ranera wouldn't do it, or that she wouldn't let Damon do it.
01:00:04
Speaker 1: It was a smart move.
01:00:05
Speaker 5: It was definitely foul, but he's shown that he's fouled this whole.
01:00:09
Speaker 1: Time with this degree though, y'all.
01:00:15
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, this is not surprising.
01:00:17
Speaker 1: He would put kids on the front lines.
01:00:19
Speaker 5: This is not surprising at all. Like, damn, that's smart.
01:00:23
Speaker 2: But Rod, just a couple of episodes, even g Wayne told him he was like to his face, he was like, bro'm you will be willing to sacrifice lies for for your prize?
01:00:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's anybody you know. So like, I didn't put him. I didn't.
01:00:36
Speaker 2: I thought it was really smart, but obviously it's it's a scumbag move. But because like this whole time, he's been going off of Ranier's kindness. That's why he took over Tumbleton in the first place, because he knew she wasn't gonna come over there and do nothing until now. So that's why he was just kind of like keep on using the strategy of like her kindness is gonna be her weakness.
01:00:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have much to say, that's all lost.
01:01:01
Speaker 2: But what were your thoughts on g Wayne and Darren's plan to use Cordless as a bargainership to end the war peacefully.
01:01:10
Speaker 9: I mean, okay, but I was like, I don't I didn't understand why they thought.
01:01:17
Speaker 5: I don't know.
01:01:18
Speaker 9: I guess it's like, what do they have to lose? Right, So I felt like it would.
01:01:21
Speaker 4: Have been almost smarter for well, I guess it was a combo plate, right, So they give Corless up so that they have some sort of good standing when they get their assy, and then he has his dragon to help when they.
01:01:38
Speaker 9: Get their assy.
01:01:39
Speaker 3: So I don't, I don't, I got it, And I.
01:01:43
Speaker 4: Think it goes to show that Darren was really more strategic than Orman. Ultimately, Yeah, it was just he was dealing with David at the end of the day, so it almost worked.
01:01:59
Speaker 3: But it's day.
01:02:02
Speaker 9: Damon the Roger dude. Oh yeah, sir, Roddy.
01:02:07
Speaker 1: Roddy, Now, Roddy, we gonna We're gonna talk about him. He was that nigga. This this Bacon was like this.
01:02:26
Speaker 7: This this was by far probably one of my favorite scenes in this old episode.
01:02:32
Speaker 1: But the bargain bargaining man Bro, when he snatched up g Wayne Brun He made Dan he was he did, he made him. He was helping feet tall, like nigga, who you talking to man? Yo? Like Damon wasn't having it, Bro. He was not with the ships at all.
01:02:57
Speaker 7: And he said the next person come through they're gonna be on my fucking horse, on the front of my horse. He sat there and entertained that whole conversation, knowing that he wasn't gonna go along with it. As a matter of fact, he said, fuck it, Corliss, you my prisoner now.
01:03:20
Speaker 2: He Mike, we only got a few black characters on this show. Why why is Corliss not only in chains, lost a finger and then getting passed around like a hot potato when it comes to me in a prison a p o W. The part that made me the most mad was when he started walking and g wain't put his foot on his chains.
01:03:48
Speaker 5: I was like, come on, man, this is this is this is somebody should have spoke up and be like, hey man, the optics.
01:03:53
Speaker 1: This ain't good. Bro't this war?
01:03:55
Speaker 2: MANI the fuck? You can't do a black man, that kid, you can't do that.
01:04:03
Speaker 5: You put kids on the front line, Yes, yes, little punk ass kids.
01:04:09
Speaker 1: He told them to move.
01:04:12
Speaker 2: Kids and can It was a rainbow coalition of kids, so you could care everybody got it.
01:04:18
Speaker 5: That was the most inclusive death of kids I've ever seen.
01:04:25
Speaker 2: Man.
01:04:25
Speaker 1: G Wayne was terrified.
01:04:27
Speaker 3: He was what is it?
01:04:30
Speaker 1: Ran? He was out of there.
01:04:40
Speaker 2: Choose between Damon and what's the other dude's name, Rod Roderick. Yeah, between them two, I would have ran to I'd have been like, man, fucking never mind, man, what to do. I didn't know I liked Roderick so much until this episode that.
01:04:59
Speaker 1: Was they were saving it. They were saying.
01:05:02
Speaker 5: Look, you can go in there, but you can't die until you open the gate.
01:05:07
Speaker 1: Open the gate didn't die that and Damon asked him twice, he was are you ready to Are you ready to die for your queen? He was like, I've been waiting for you to tell me. Yeah, I'm here.
01:05:20
Speaker 2: So louis your uh did this scene kind of like lean into your expectations how this would go? This kind of negotiation tactor would go between uh G Wayne and Damon like how it ended?
01:05:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go, yes, absolutely, but I wouldn't. I'm with Ken.
01:05:36
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed this scene just from the negotiation standpoint, And it also shows correless value that they've been diminishing since season one in like war and negotiation and all of these things that can resolve conflict, and they just using him in different places where you shouldn't be. So if he had someone if Rania had someone like him at the front line versus a Damon, per se, probably get some of this stuff resolved with her on the throne. But I did like this scene a lot, and it ended just like I thought it was.
01:06:09
Speaker 1: Moving on.
01:06:09
Speaker 2: While Damon is getting the troops ready to attack Tumbleton, we then see Ranier pull up to the high scepting with Alan and demand that he crowns her queen ride.
01:06:20
Speaker 1: What did you think of this scene and how it played out?
01:06:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, this this was I won't say shocking, Oh man, it was.
01:06:32
Speaker 1: It was like I felt like it was gonna.
01:06:36
Speaker 3: Happen, but just to actually see it happen was wild. Yeah, now that was wild.
01:06:42
Speaker 4: She actually kip, I don't know how this is going to turn around and buy her and the ass later, but I feel like it is in some way. But she was like, look, you you're a trader at this point. Your trader at this point, and she was like, look this this is the last time I'm going to actually to make this happen.
01:07:00
Speaker 3: So she gave him a chance.
01:07:02
Speaker 1: What go ahead?
01:07:04
Speaker 10: Name I mean, sure, she gave him an opportunity, but I lost the respect I had for Raniera. It went down a whole lot of notches, Like after this, like I would I would have much rather her killed him hunt damn self, like instead of telling Allen go go go ahead on my work.
01:07:26
Speaker 1: Like it was.
01:07:26
Speaker 9: It just I didn't like that at all.
01:07:29
Speaker 3: And then this bitch went full of she r near.
01:07:32
Speaker 10: The crazy, it's who she is. I'm like, she lost all the marbles at this point. Why is you telling all these regular people about ice and fire? Why are you doing that?
01:07:45
Speaker 9: You sound crazy as hell talking about ghosts in the north. What is you doing mam?
01:07:50
Speaker 10: That story it's not you don't lost it, you have lost you aired out like you tell her old family ghost stories to the kingdom.
01:08:00
Speaker 9: I think that's all make him be on your side, Like.
01:08:02
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
01:08:05
Speaker 1: Mike Warrior thoughts on on on.
01:08:08
Speaker 2: The whole scene, but specifically with Alan because he was hesitant and like he was very nervous about doing executing this mission. He's a good face actor. That's what I was getting when I was watching him. That's why I was saying, I think we're gonna see more of him. He's he's good like Daniel Kluya is with face at once. Bit you don't like him, I was.
01:08:28
Speaker 1: Watching some on TV.
01:08:29
Speaker 2: None, Oh, never mind, anyway, I think I think he's great. But yeah, this scene was really good and he showed a lot without saying anything, like he was really wrestling with should I do this. I didn't think he was gonna do it. I thought he was gonna punk out and Ranera was gonna get mad to the fact that he actually went through with it right after she opened the door, so everybody saw it, and then she starts to I knew something was up when she was painting ship on her eyes because I was like, what the fuck is on her face?
01:09:01
Speaker 1: I still don't understand what the hell that was.
01:09:04
Speaker 10: When a woman changed her makeup routine, it means you know somebody, somebody Theoria eye liner.
01:09:16
Speaker 2: Either way, I knew she was I knew she has completely lost her ship when I agree with name when she's out there telling that random ass story and everybody's looking at her like, what the fuck is she talking about? Even though they're in front of like this game of Throne style church. So I'm sure they've heard weird ass stories before, but that just seemed like the ramblings of a crazy person.
01:09:37
Speaker 5: And the two black people both stopped and looked at each other, was like.
01:09:44
Speaker 9: Was like, what the is she talking about?
01:09:48
Speaker 1: Because he don't know.
01:09:51
Speaker 5: Bro, He's like I heard some ship before, but this.
01:10:00
Speaker 1: Gonna go ahead.
01:10:00
Speaker 9: And then I was fine when when.
01:10:02
Speaker 10: She was telling her son, because that's what she's supposed to tell. But it's like everybody else, it's like the prophecy. Oh man, It's like it's like somebody speaking in tugs to a bunch of people who don't believe.
01:10:14
Speaker 9: Like it's this is the wrong crowd.
01:10:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:10:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a question of you for you because the High Sceptance says something very interesting as far as like if you kill me, obviously we know if you kill him, it says the wrong message to like his followers and followers of the faith. But he mentioned something about being cursed, and I was thinking, is that curse going on Nero or is that going on Alan.
01:10:35
Speaker 1: For actually committing the actual murder the house? Oh the house? Okay? So Eric Targerian.
01:10:48
Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay, because I was because that's what I was confused, cause that's why I thought Allan was.
01:10:52
Speaker 1: Hesitant, like, look, I ain't about to I don't want to get cursed for this girl. You know, I'm just trying to do my job, and it.
01:11:00
Speaker 6: Cursed for all y'all. That's what he was saying, was saying, all y'all, you do this when the fun all of y'all don't. Don't get it twisted. I don't care nothing about the little war y'all fighting or nothing, because remember, the church is more loyal to the high towers.
01:11:12
Speaker 1: That's where they from.
01:11:13
Speaker 6: The reason that they even that powerful is because of the high towers, not because of the targearans around.
01:11:19
Speaker 1: No way. They they just deal with the tart gets because they got dragons.
01:11:24
Speaker 6: Exactly because we got y'all. Nigga's got missiles and nuclear bombs. We gotta deal with y'all.
01:11:30
Speaker 2: That's about why Alan did it, because he's probably like, I don't have a house, no way, you wouldn't give me a name, so you're gonna curse me.
01:11:37
Speaker 5: You can't hurt me.
01:11:38
Speaker 1: I don't have nobody. That's a good point.
01:11:41
Speaker 9: But they also like cater to his ego. When she was yo, yo, worship that guys anyway.
01:11:50
Speaker 2: But you heard what she said though she said, she said your bloodline is whatever, and they they worshiped God's bigger than his.
01:11:57
Speaker 5: But a minute ago, you was telling me, Yeah, so venous manipula.
01:12:04
Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, absolutely, Oh she full evil him to do what she wanted him to do, right, Yeah, she in full evil mode now and she's yeah with everybody that she looks absolutely fucking nuts giving the speech.
01:12:17
Speaker 1: She looks insane.
01:12:19
Speaker 6: It's like some trump ship, and everybody was looking at her crazy for different reasons. You said the master he looked at her because he knew what she was saying was true. He's probably the only person there that had heard the story before because they pass like yeah. He was looking up like what are you doing? Ain't nobody supposed to know this? And then the song looking like, mom, I don't know what you're talking about. I have no clue what's going on.
01:12:41
Speaker 1: I just I just got here. You're telling me.
01:12:44
Speaker 6: I'm going to be king what's happening right now? Little he got a little burger king making los like you don't know. He just he tried to go back to his dad, the Master of Coin that that she brought in to make the scapegoat when a couple of episodes ago, he looking at it.
01:13:06
Speaker 1: Like, yes, I knew you was crazy.
01:13:08
Speaker 6: I knew I took this job and all that blame for a reason, because they're gonna run your ass up out here, and I fina get a free wik So everybody was looking at like she was crazy for all these different reasons, and she was cool.
01:13:18
Speaker 2: And who had the better speech between Ranera with the townspeople and Damon with his army man.
01:13:30
Speaker 7: Damon made me want to go out there and fight. He's really good at damn speeches, you know. Yeah, so I like this speech. He's really really good at giving those speeches. I didn't mind rene speech, though.
01:13:47
Speaker 1: We need to let that ship be. She gotta let that ship be.
01:13:50
Speaker 7: Fucking know, Bro's fucking episode.
01:13:55
Speaker 1: It don't matter.
01:13:57
Speaker 6: It matter.
01:14:00
Speaker 1: Being like thousands of people about shit. They don't know nothing about it.
01:14:05
Speaker 7: Yeah, it don't matter. I got their full attention. I just killed the motherfuckers because all he had to do was do what I asked him to do. They don't even fuck with me anyway. They fuck with the hot tower. So, yeah, you gotta die. I gave you the shot. Alan, you can do it or whatever his name is. Yeah, you old Valeria, which was fucked up because she didn't give him the Ovalaria name, But maybe she gonna reward him now.
01:14:27
Speaker 1: But I was with it.
01:14:28
Speaker 7: I'm I'm the opposite of the name. My respect for whenever went up like y'all think like we going down to the damn church and were about to regulate some shit. Because these motherfuckers right here, I gave him a chance to do it. And remember, the master was the one that told her to do it in the first place. And if she y'all been talking about she don't listen to motherfuckers, if she would have listened to this ass, she could have got them out of the way a long time ago. So yeah, stab his ass and let me go out here and tell these other motherfucker this damn story and let everybody know that I'm fucking crazy. And if y'all don't listen to me, some ship can happen to y'all too. So getting line white, white white, and got writing damn Queen of the.
01:15:05
Speaker 1: Bastards, that's the ship that pistol as all ship on the wall.
01:15:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with kid, I'm with Kid on this one. I didn't have a problem with her. I don't give a ship. You don't care what I'm saying or nothing like. This is what about to happen.
01:15:18
Speaker 1: Jesus y'all like all the two niggas a heare with kids like.
01:15:27
Speaker 4: Listening, all right, right, But so she was spoken, how hilarious. She ain't give a shit if yn't understand what what she was saying.
01:15:39
Speaker 3: She ain't care.
01:15:40
Speaker 4: She was just like, no, it's almost like a passer when he starts speaking. Did you just say that it's okay.
01:15:47
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jong name. We do this every week.
01:15:52
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I'm with kid, I'm with King on this. Man, I have more respect for her. It was, That's what I'm saying. It was a little little shocking, but I feel like it had had to be done personally. Some had to change, y'all. Something had to change.
01:16:11
Speaker 1: Or somebody.
01:16:15
Speaker 5: I'm I'm I'm I don't know.
01:16:16
Speaker 1: I'm at a loss. I think this was the worst thing that she could have done.
01:16:20
Speaker 2: I think this was really, really, really really dumb on her on her part, because the reason people don't fuck with her is because they think she's nuts to even be up there in the first place.
01:16:33
Speaker 1: They don't like the fact that she's a woman.
01:16:36
Speaker 2: They think that you know all of the shit, and for her to get up there and start telling this random ass weird story after just killing the septing that we all fuck with, and then for her to also start talking in a language that we can't understand. This is not gonna do her any favors at all. They already don't fuck with her because she they're basically starving because of her, And now she's really getting.
01:17:04
Speaker 1: Up there, she's turned into trunk.
01:17:06
Speaker 2: She's out there doing the weirdest shit, dancing on stage while everybody's starving. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know what she thought she was gonna get from that. Only thing I saw in this scene was EO.
01:17:21
Speaker 5: This was promised to me, the prophecy was foretold, and y'all aren't listening. I deserve this.
01:17:28
Speaker 2: No, you don't really deserve this because you're doing the shitty job anyway, and we already don't fuck with you.
01:17:34
Speaker 5: Now we really don't fuck with you.
01:17:38
Speaker 3: I don't agree.
01:17:39
Speaker 7: It don't matter if y'all if y'all not fucking with me anyway, So what difference doesn't fucking make?
01:17:44
Speaker 1: The house?
01:17:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, the house is.
01:17:45
Speaker 2: Already broken before she came in. She didn't break the house. I didn't say she broke the house. I'm just saying she didn't fix it. This didn't do her any favor. She needs to be trying to fix things instead of going in there and threatening people. And now what's gonna happen is the next season is gonna turn into, oh, y'all just burned down.
01:18:02
Speaker 5: The entire town of Tumbleton. Now we really don't want to fuck with you.
01:18:06
Speaker 1: But I thought y'all said, I thought y'all been saying.
01:18:08
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's been you, Mike, but I thought everybody has been saying like how she needs to be stronger and.
01:18:14
Speaker 3: Do things and job.
01:18:17
Speaker 1: Not crazy, Like I'm not crazy, because yeah, she's been trying to be nice, trying.
01:18:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the first thing she did because she was listening to the white word, trying to take care of the townspeople and they're just being ungrateful.
01:18:33
Speaker 1: But she went from she went from not doing my bad name, no go ahead.
01:18:38
Speaker 3: She went from where she went.
01:18:40
Speaker 1: From not doing enough to doing the extreme, going to killing.
01:18:43
Speaker 6: The pastor in front of the church and did speaking a foreign language to people about some prophecy that they know nothing about. So like she could have toned it down just a little bit, and I would have been probably where you and Ken were but I feel like she just went and jumped off the bridge.
01:18:56
Speaker 1: Agree.
01:18:58
Speaker 10: I agree, And I think I think that I'm not even mad at Berna Templeton. I'm not even mad at killing the pastor. I'm just saying, at least make it look like you calculated. Don't stand up there and start talking some gibberish and look crazy as hell, like, at least if you're gonna make the people be scared of you, make the people be scared of you and think that you did all of this and intention like, not that you are losing your mind and you're killing these people.
01:19:21
Speaker 9: Like I think that the issue is for me.
01:19:25
Speaker 10: I was fine with even with all of that up to telling everybody about the prophecy, because now you're giving insanity to the decisions that you're making.
01:19:35
Speaker 9: Not not ruthless targaryan tire.
01:19:40
Speaker 1: I don't think the intent was to scare them, though.
01:19:44
Speaker 4: I think I think what was to say that, like this this is rightfully hers and y'all need to stop rejecting it crazy.
01:19:52
Speaker 1: That's kind of I think.
01:19:54
Speaker 6: I think she was trying to serve dominance and it didn't work because she scared them, right exactly.
01:19:59
Speaker 10: I don't think I don't think it's about scared them. I think it's just you sound crazy as hell.
01:20:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think go ahead, Nate, Sorry, no, it's okay.
01:20:10
Speaker 9: It's insanity.
01:20:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this, this sounded to me just like Rob and You were saying, you know, it's like a preacher speaking in tongue or actually I guess Nate said at first, whatever, But this reminded me of them going up there and telling you if you don't get in line, you're gonna go to hell. That is literally scaring people into doing what you want them to do. That's what it sounded like she was doing here. This prophecy was foretold that I am up here and y'all need to get in line. And I do agree Ken that that we did say she started listening to people, But I don't think the Master was telling her to go do it herself.
01:20:46
Speaker 1: He was basically implying, like, we can have him killed.
01:20:49
Speaker 2: Yes not go walk your dumbass into the church and you fucking command that he gets killed in front of all of the people.
01:20:57
Speaker 1: That was a bad move.
01:20:59
Speaker 3: They could have coped for.
01:21:00
Speaker 2: We've done all this, but at this point, she's mad, and she's desperate, and she's irrational and that does not make a good ruler.
01:21:07
Speaker 3: I think they need to see what she's capable of doing.
01:21:11
Speaker 5: Killing a pastor. Yeah, that's scaring them, though you said it wasn't about scaring them.
01:21:15
Speaker 1: That is scary you, Mike just said she emotional.
01:21:30
Speaker 5: Moving on emotional.
01:21:36
Speaker 2: We then switched to Tumbleton and see Ormond knighting Darren as he has positioned him to become king first or on his way to becoming king. He first, he's become a knight. However, then like right after that, we we get into the Battle of Tumbleton and it's about to take off, but we're trying. Ormond is trying to find Olaf because that's his like you said, like that's the episode, that's the treason, but he cannot be found except he in his favorite place, Louke, he back at the club.
01:22:13
Speaker 1: What did you think about Olaf this episode?
01:22:15
Speaker 6: I ain't never hated a Game of Thrones character for lessons. He is a complete dip shit, like like anytime he come on seeing I immediately get irritated. And then he in the bar hold in court like he's just that nigga and I got all the stories and got a dragon outside.
01:22:33
Speaker 1: I just he irritates my soul.
01:22:37
Speaker 6: And I figured this would happen when it got to this point as far as oh, well, can't nobody find him? I didn't think it would take this long. I thought it would be like they was looking for him for a little minute and he turns the whole But the way they drew it out and then when they find him, where he's at and the reaction, Oh, this shit was perfect this ship from the time they show him talking in the bar till he walked out and couldn't nobody find him? This is like a storyline that usually you would hate in the episode like this, but they did this really well. I fucked this even up until he was on the Dragon and like, yeah, YouTube, bitch.
01:23:15
Speaker 1: Kid, Hey, cand I fucked off this episode.
01:23:19
Speaker 3: He is.
01:23:20
Speaker 1: He is very entertained. If I was at the bar and I seen him come in there, I'm listening to asking questions like how they was doing, like so what happened next, because he was basically saying how messy.
01:23:32
Speaker 2: Vernier and Damon are pretty much not as a couple but as rulers, and then how he did everything as far as like he said, f both.
01:23:39
Speaker 1: Sides, both sides. Hey, it was it was it was chef's kiss to me, although you felt about a kid.
01:23:47
Speaker 7: So you're gonna be listening like jez and then what first of all, Orman again, bro, why are you lying to Darren like that? Like Despike, doesn't he have to be knighted in order to be a king?
01:24:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, he do. He do gotta be knighted to be a king. You got to go through that whole Why would you ain't looking like that?
01:24:13
Speaker 6: Wayne didn't want him to be kick He know what y'all been saying in the full season. He's manipulating. He wants him to go. He want the kid to go off live his life normally versus being Darren the dread and his cousin or uncle whoever that is manipulating him about it.
01:24:28
Speaker 1: So that's like, yeah, what was d it? It was something Darren? Darren, Darren, it was it was. It was the lame name. I think.
01:24:46
Speaker 7: Is the perfect example of the saying everybody can't have a dragon, bro, you you just you just you just can't. Like they need to take tests, they need to be he screamed, they need to be evaluated. They gave the wrong guy a dragon, and they messed with the wrong guy as well.
01:25:09
Speaker 1: This is bullying.
01:25:10
Speaker 7: This is this is the exactly what happened. They've been bullying this guy and he got his payback. And honestly I was pissed at him because I thought it was gonna go another way.
01:25:23
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was really going to do it. After Ormond beat the.
01:25:26
Speaker 7: Ship out of him while he was naked with his ass out and ship and piss everywhere in front of everybody, had a chance to pull his pants up.
01:25:42
Speaker 1: He took up the biggest day of his life again.
01:25:47
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, so uh but nah, but yeah, I think what he did at the end, uh, I did respect that, but he just fucked everything up, like everything this story. That's really the way the story is gonna be told. Is gonna reuin everything with Ranera.
01:26:10
Speaker 1: Myke.
01:26:12
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm gonna get trouble with thoughts on Oof this episode. But where do you see him going after this? Like he can't go back to either side now, like he's kind of made an enemy of everybody, and maybe that's how he felt because he was always treated like an enemy from both sides anyway, So but I was really curious after all this, I like, what does he do next?
01:26:35
Speaker 1: That was also my small gripe with the episode.
01:26:38
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, y'all ended it chasing Oolah away, Like I really want to know what happens to him. But at the same time, I also I feel him, like I feel him. Everybody treated him like shit, so why would he be loyal to anybody? Like, yes, he's an idiot, Yes he's a dumb ass, all of those good things, But who is stupider than the dumb ass? The motherfuckers that trust the dumb ass, they're stupider than him, Like there was no reason why they should have thought that this fool would be any kind of oil, so they deserve this. The only people I feel bad for are the people of the town that didn't have anything to do with any of this.
01:27:19
Speaker 1: So it is what it is.
01:27:21
Speaker 5: I don't fuck with him.
01:27:22
Speaker 1: I don't like him. He's annoying, but.
01:27:26
Speaker 2: He did what he thought at the time, may sense. That's why I like spice it earlier. He was just like, oh fuck you too, I'm burning everybody.
01:27:34
Speaker 1: Y'all thought it was just just them.
01:27:36
Speaker 5: You thought I was here for you.
01:27:37
Speaker 2: Oh no, you beat my ass in front of everybody with my dick hanging out, I'm burning you to death and I got.
01:27:43
Speaker 1: A dragon, and I do that? Does that seem wise? They don't even the same.
01:27:48
Speaker 5: Wise, everybody that beats him up and treats him like that, they don't think it through.
01:27:53
Speaker 1: They're just using him. They're all desperate at this point.
01:27:57
Speaker 2: So it's but I think it's because he's he's a from their perspective, he's a low born personaly, and on top of that, they've never really had to be in a place where they're despot and or needy of.
01:28:10
Speaker 1: Low born people.
01:28:12
Speaker 2: So like them, are they treating him like how they will treat anybody else, But they don't realize he's not anybody else until this episode.
01:28:18
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
01:28:19
Speaker 6: He has a dragon though. That's the like, you're not wrong in what you say this and them being high born or really not processing it correctly. But we're looking at this and watching everybody treat the targari as different because they have dragons, but then they treat this dude like they can just beat him up in the middle of the street.
01:28:35
Speaker 7: No, it's because of that though, because of what Nick just said is that yeah, you got a dragon, but you still gotta respect, like the hierarchy of everything.
01:28:49
Speaker 1: Right, if I got a dragon, it's until I don't, until I decide I ain't got to.
01:28:53
Speaker 7: Yeah, but that I forget why they would think that, they would think that he should be happy that exactly gotta dragon.
01:29:00
Speaker 1: He was in this position of power and not to the fire. Exactly you The next rack ribs coming off the grill. I was shocked. I was like, Yo, he's really gonna do that, right, the Battle of Tumbleton. Let's talk about our boy Roderick.
01:29:33
Speaker 2: This this because, like amongst all, there was a lot of storylines going on, but every scene cut to a battle. It felt like it was like like a cutaways traits of like what was going on? People getting burnt by over on this stuff like this was crazy.
01:29:46
Speaker 1: But Rogers told the show they'll put intend to go ahead, speak on speak on your name.
01:29:49
Speaker 4: Brod Man, he did. I think Mike said it earlier. Man like like this, this one really took his character over the top. For me, this was a way of going to go out. If you're gonna go out in the show, this is this is a perfect way. I mean, they cut that Nigga arm off. He still was it was like, man, it was crazy. But I want to say this real quick, because of the battle was so good. I didn't like oh Loft because I feel like he messed up the battle in a way, like him having that damn dragon. I just feel like it kind of messed it up for me. And I didn't like that part because I thought the battle, the build up to it was so was so good, and you got your dumb ass coming through here with this dragon. But anyway, but yeah, man, like you were saying earlier with the kids, he was like fucking kids.
01:30:43
Speaker 3: Like it didn't matter who was in his way.
01:30:45
Speaker 2: Man.
01:30:45
Speaker 4: He was ready to take out whoever to get to I thought it was gonna be dame.
01:30:51
Speaker 3: They both looking for Armand, but they both looking.
01:30:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so, I think so. I think so.
01:30:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, because at.
01:30:58
Speaker 4: First I was looking confused because he was looking for Armand and I was like, oh wait, I thought Damon.
01:31:02
Speaker 3: I thought Damon wanted him to himself or whatever.
01:31:05
Speaker 1: But she found him, I know, instead of dude he ran into Yeah.
01:31:14
Speaker 10: It was like.
01:31:16
Speaker 6: That was the guy that was.
01:31:20
Speaker 5: He's been He's been by his side the whole time. It's the dark haired guy.
01:31:23
Speaker 1: Was that the one who kidnapped.
01:31:26
Speaker 3: The guy that was Yeah, he was nice. He was nice.
01:31:30
Speaker 4: He mind me like one of the Hound, like the Hound or somebody like that. He seemed like he built from that that that bread like like so even and I and I like that though. I like that it showed like that Damon was having the time with him, you know what I mean, Like, I really like that because they built Damon up so much, you know, to that point. So I really like that that element that they brought to the show. But but yeah, man, this this was this was amazing man. Execution of all this even just showing how how strategic Gamon is in war, you know what I'm saying.
01:32:03
Speaker 3: He told Carassius to come like behind him and ship man. It was just so gangster. It was so gangster man. So yeah, I really enjoyed that. The anticipation of waiting on that wall break down. He was looking at it, waiting on that for them to open the door the gates. Yeah, man, that shit was dope.
01:32:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was his name? What's his Damon's dragon's name? Busted through like the kool aid man. But he was ready right right, that's funny. What were your thoughts on about old Tumbleton.
01:32:34
Speaker 9: Nobody is talking about little Boy in Wonder.
01:32:37
Speaker 10: I like Little Boy Wonder, the little one who He's just as strategic as everybody else. He'd be right there with Roder, like he made the plans for Roger to go to Yeah, nobody talk about him.
01:32:48
Speaker 9: I like him a lot. I think that he is gonna be important that season. If he made it out.
01:32:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if he made it up.
01:32:57
Speaker 9: Alive, but yeah, no, it was. It was good.
01:33:03
Speaker 5: I didn't mind.
01:33:03
Speaker 9: I think two.
01:33:06
Speaker 4: Yes, all offen the dragon came and sucked everything up, but I think that's indicative of.
01:33:13
Speaker 9: Everything that's going on.
01:33:14
Speaker 10: Like even the best players, y'all have made some dumb ass decisions that would suck up even the best lady players to Charles Bade, So, yeah, the only person I felt bad for is Jason, because if Roniero would have listened to Jason when he told her don't put the baskets on the dragon, they.
01:33:32
Speaker 9: Would have won this war.
01:33:35
Speaker 2: But they wouldn't be in that position of her being in the and on the throne if it wasn't for the baskets.
01:33:39
Speaker 9: Either wouldn't wouldn't melt it with that dragon.
01:33:45
Speaker 6: But they still got three more dragons from them because they still got the point that other dragon, nag that's a lizard or crocodile man, the one that he had in the room. I was like, bro, I ain't yeah that one like that. You don't even count that one.
01:34:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. What did you feel about Hugh seeing Hugh his wife die in this episode?
01:34:19
Speaker 10: I feel like if he would have got her and she would have been on that ground, the god, that's what I feel.
01:34:26
Speaker 4: He told her to come get out of there after you've been flying around for months. I think that Hugh the Hammer has to acknowledge take accountability for the fact that if I ain't never made.
01:34:42
Speaker 10: My wife come to this guy for sake of town, he didn't make her. He left her and she had to leave because there was no food because he left his wife alone in a barren, asked king's lady.
01:34:58
Speaker 9: So she went where there was actual protection with her brother.
01:35:02
Speaker 10: If he would have stayed there and did his protecting job more than that providing job, she'd have still been alive.
01:35:08
Speaker 1: Well that worked out for mm hmm.
01:35:12
Speaker 7: I bet you was ready not hopping her ass on that damn dragon, and he showed up, especially when the rocks were.
01:35:19
Speaker 1: Falling on her ass. Mike, Mike, was Ormond's death satisfying.
01:35:30
Speaker 2: I'm on the first day. I agree one hundred percent with name. I don't think that's a hot take it all as far as Ormond.
01:35:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, was satisfying. He got a knife in the ass. That's a I'm using that. Y'all gonna get.
01:35:46
Speaker 1: Tired of me.
01:35:49
Speaker 9: Context? Would you use that?
01:35:51
Speaker 1: Make one day? I will make one.
01:35:57
Speaker 5: That is the mic still on one of y'all's getting.
01:36:01
Speaker 1: He said that. He said it after he busted his whole mouth open and everything. Bro.
01:36:05
Speaker 6: It was like, I don't think he's gonna take him out that easy easily. Like, yeah, he took him out pretty easily. Say again, I think I was talking over you said I think he took out Orbon pretty easily. I think he was gonna take him out that easily.
01:36:19
Speaker 5: He lost his arm.
01:36:20
Speaker 4: That wasn't easy, right, But I thought was gonna put up a slightly better fight.
01:36:28
Speaker 1: I didn't his stomach right, Oh, I don't know.
01:36:37
Speaker 2: I never got the impression that he was going to be a good fighter. I just thought he was going to be evil. He reminds me of little Finger.
01:36:45
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, what's the dude that ended up getting torn apart by the.
01:36:48
Speaker 1: Dogs, the guy Ramsey bolting.
01:36:52
Speaker 2: He reminds me of him, just evil, but he can't he can't really fight. Was a good fight though, actually got it when him and John. Know, when him and John went one v one, he got his as he got his after the war he had already got killed. I used to go out fighting, like remember when they.
01:37:16
Speaker 6: When Stantis was trying to make it to Winterfield and look at me, christ When Stantus was trying to make it the winter Field, he had the little cruise that was going out sucking up everybody in Stanton's army, and that's what gave them an advantage.
01:37:30
Speaker 1: It was Ramsey that was leading. He came up with the strategy for it. I'm saying fighting. Yes, he was the one going out nightly fighting. I don't believe it because I remember how John beat his ass. I do too. No, Ramsey used to suck people look well.
01:37:45
Speaker 2: Either way, I didn't think to fight, so seeing seeing him get beat down by Rodrick completely made sense. I was actually surprised he put such a good fight against Rodrick. He got a couple in aside from cutting his arm off, but no, the the death was was was. I don't think it could be better. He stuck him in the ass with a knife and then he got burnt up by by the dragon. And the most beautiful part about it is Roger was prepared to die, so he was just like, I'm here.
01:38:13
Speaker 5: I got my revenge. I got exactly to the tea what I wanted.
01:38:17
Speaker 3: I killed you.
01:38:19
Speaker 1: The gate is opened now I get dragon. It was perfect.
01:38:25
Speaker 6: I think you skipped over your boy too quick with his wife though, because he fucked some ship up like he he just as bad as OAF.
01:38:31
Speaker 1: I kind of went like he.
01:38:33
Speaker 6: Fucked it up, man, like you're supposed to be in King's landed one. I know he disregarded what Reneer said, but like they said that a gun back.
01:38:44
Speaker 1: You don't know that he ain't coming back now.
01:38:46
Speaker 3: It ain't.
01:38:46
Speaker 6: No dragon's in King's Land and you got the biggest one possibly headed that way. He didn't give two fucks about it, and his wife still died like he did a lot of sucking up.
01:38:55
Speaker 1: And he was he was screaming like right, he was screaming crazy.
01:39:00
Speaker 6: That's a good point. I forgot that he's gonna turn on them. So now all forgets them and he against them and the black what's going on here? And cool his son about to turn on them too. It seemed like so they was up three then they down three.
01:39:18
Speaker 3: I think we talked about that last episode.
01:39:22
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Ken, what are your thoughts on about Old Tumbleton.
01:39:30
Speaker 7: I was definitely surprised that uh Roger killed that damn kid. That was the first thing in the shock. Mean when he he kneedn that kid didn't even get a good look into. He just tapped him on his damn ankle.
01:39:45
Speaker 9: Still, that's all that's right, trying to trip soldiers and ship.
01:39:54
Speaker 1: He got his, He got his whole face game.
01:40:00
Speaker 9: Should have been talking ship quick.
01:40:06
Speaker 5: It was just a splotter, right, Boney hit him with that big thick bone. That probably hurt, Yeah, yeah, hurt. Nobot about the he's talking about the kid, you know that?
01:40:27
Speaker 9: Yeah, that kid, that kid deserved to die. The rest of them was messed up. He should have just sat up there and come with them other babies and maybe he would have well.
01:40:36
Speaker 7: And in all honesty, I I was surprised by Damon's actions. Damon was fed up, he was frustrated. He wanted to get in the castle. He couldn't get in the castle because of them damn badass kids that were up there. And he was like, all right, enough, come on, let's let's let's go ahead and handle this. The way was walking through that motherfucker like ship was dope.
01:41:03
Speaker 9: Even had Damon still told them kids to get out the way.
01:41:09
Speaker 1: He did when there were two that didn't move right then this war they got out the way though, I think they ran. They got.
01:41:21
Speaker 9: The rest of them.
01:41:22
Speaker 1: I thought I saw them running out of the way.
01:41:26
Speaker 5: That little mixed one and.
01:41:28
Speaker 1: A ten piece of all flash crispy king.
01:41:31
Speaker 2: Yep, we gotta we gotta go back to We gotta go back to that fight scene between Damon and Ormon's guard.
01:41:45
Speaker 1: But Damon was Damon like he wanted to crawl oway. It was like when Spider Man was fighting Goblet and no way home when the fire came down. He tried to act like he still wanted.
01:41:58
Speaker 5: That was the funniest.
01:42:01
Speaker 1: Where you.
01:42:04
Speaker 4: Know, even got but one eye, yo, this is one yea, you're right with one eye. He was his ass handed to him.
01:42:12
Speaker 7: He got work, and I just kept waiting. I was like, oh man, you know they just trying to show damn you know, losing and the way.
01:42:24
Speaker 9: I was like, they're gonna give her that They couldna give her the diamon on this episode. That's really what they're finna do.
01:42:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, because he came in, you know, he come in with his battle armor all black. She was chopping dudes left and right. That he saw, he guy he ain't never seen before day.
01:42:52
Speaker 5: He was gonna be a problem. The same dude, I don't know if you remember.
01:42:55
Speaker 2: The same dude was in and Or and he was the only one that actually was fist fight the storm he had but as the stormtrooper and stormtrooper to leave him alone.
01:43:07
Speaker 1: I do off that first swing.
01:43:09
Speaker 5: It was gonna be a problem.
01:43:12
Speaker 9: Oh my, like this might not be the one diamond.
01:43:15
Speaker 1: It ain't. He knew because he didn't have to take. When Corlis came and got again, he forgot. He forgot corners as a prisoner corners and said, look, buddy, we gotta go.
01:43:31
Speaker 10: It's how many lives Corlis has lived in this show.
01:43:41
Speaker 5: Fine that he's on, bro, and you see it on his face every time.
01:43:46
Speaker 9: What is calling on.
01:43:49
Speaker 1: Their faces time? He was like, my god, damn man to do this.
01:43:57
Speaker 5: While he's standing in the water.
01:43:58
Speaker 10: I have to do this.
01:44:00
Speaker 1: Stay not the way man. That's why he was trying to negotiate so hard to get trying to do this ship. I'm tired.
01:44:10
Speaker 4: The nigga that died like seventh time, I feel like was having a like an Odesus moment too.
01:44:18
Speaker 9: M m.
01:44:19
Speaker 3: Well, he was looking at the room.
01:44:24
Speaker 4: When he was looking at burn and stuff like, He's like he was feeling bad about seeing the town ouster.
01:44:32
Speaker 1: He thought that that point got you got you that's good.
01:44:37
Speaker 7: Well you better be glad that everybody that saw him dies burnt up, get his ass.
01:44:44
Speaker 5: I think Carland saw it. I think that's when Carl came over and put his hand on.
01:44:49
Speaker 6: You know how he is he gonna say something click before the series over with, he gonna say something slipper back.
01:44:54
Speaker 5: He's gonna climb him in that buggy back.
01:44:57
Speaker 9: Bro. That's exactly what it felt like, like, come on, girl, let us go.
01:45:04
Speaker 1: Let's just say that it could be yours. They ain't got this character Rode right if he don't bring this ship.
01:45:20
Speaker 4: Because they got.
01:45:23
Speaker 1: The next time. The next time, damon talking cast ship, he goes, you're trying to trying to rumble. He wasn't trying to do that and tumble.
01:45:32
Speaker 9: And that you mean like you did in Tuble.
01:45:40
Speaker 1: They gotta do that. They got you.
01:45:42
Speaker 5: I still hurt.
01:45:49
Speaker 1: I don't closed his eye? What because he gotta.
01:45:57
Speaker 5: He got that.
01:45:59
Speaker 1: He's a time hearing it. Yeah, it's going open. You can't close it, bro, if.
01:46:06
Speaker 5: You have blinging your would you close it?
01:46:09
Speaker 1: That's what? Yes, somebody might steal it.
01:46:12
Speaker 5: No, you gotta show.
01:46:18
Speaker 9: This almost popped out the first season. No, I know.
01:46:20
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, when he's sleep, he can't. He can't close it.
01:46:23
Speaker 3: You don't need to.
01:46:25
Speaker 1: I said, what you need to close it for.
01:46:28
Speaker 9: The ain't nothing.
01:46:28
Speaker 1: Now you don't need to. It's already closed, been closed permanently. Park is closed. No more admission, there are no more rice beer rolled. Please go to the exit.
01:46:47
Speaker 2: Ing off this episode, what were your thoughts, Lou, I'll go with you. What are your thoughts on how we ended this episode? When Nia found out Helena, I don't know based off your killed but she finally, after all this time, she finally looked at the quilt that she was making.
01:47:13
Speaker 6: God damn, Oh that's so good because we had just talked about this and I was like, damn, Finally because she tried to ignore it, throw it off or whatever. Maybe she looked at she finally got to see it, and I feel like, right there in that moment the reason that this episode was go good because everything that belt up to this, and it seemed kind of subtle, though it was a dramatic, impactful moment. If you're looking at Rnero right here starting out that window, she know, she was like, I don't fucked up.
01:47:39
Speaker 1: I don't.
01:47:43
Speaker 6: Y'all with her, I don't because I think I feel like when she got to that throne and seeing herselfh one there this this getting killed.
01:47:52
Speaker 1: She was like, oh ship, I was wrong.
01:47:55
Speaker 9: I doubt no sack. Okay, So she's she's asking her all the time, am I'm gonna be on the throne?
01:48:04
Speaker 3: This to throw mine?
01:48:05
Speaker 9: This thrown mine? And she's woven in her dream of spirit that you are on the throne. And then she looked She's like very well, and then it was it like her face was to say, Okay, that's all I.
01:48:16
Speaker 4: Really needed to know, Like you could have just told me that and this would have been we could have avoided all of this.
01:48:20
Speaker 9: Like her face was just like she saw it. She said and walked away.
01:48:26
Speaker 1: Really, I took that differently.
01:48:28
Speaker 6: I'm not saying you wrong, and I ain't willing to down the hill that I'm right. But I took that from her looking at it and then there was blood over there, dripping down on their little tapestry. I took that as her saying, Oh, this little girl knew the whole goddamn time that I was wrong and about to die and didn't never tell me.
01:48:42
Speaker 1: And now that did all of this shit.
01:48:44
Speaker 9: And it's about I never asked her if I'm gonna die. The only question she asked.
01:48:49
Speaker 7: Or not died.
01:48:50
Speaker 6: She asked the prophecy, correct, right, She asked her about the prophecy most and if she dies, there's blood at the bottom of it.
01:49:01
Speaker 1: Look at it.
01:49:01
Speaker 9: Is it blood or is it fire?
01:49:03
Speaker 1: It was blood, and it's a dragon.
01:49:10
Speaker 6: It's a dragon somewhere on that I thought I saw there was over King's landing, but I couldn't really that.
01:49:16
Speaker 3: She didn't look dead.
01:49:17
Speaker 2: I felt like that was you didn't think she was dead on the throne. Really I thought she was dead. I'm I'm mostly with you, Spike. I read it that she knew she fucked up, but I didn't think she was dead on the throne. It just looked like she was covered in blood. So it just looked like maybe it was a situation where this is going to be a whole lot harder than I thought it was gonna be or something.
01:49:42
Speaker 1: I don't know.
01:49:43
Speaker 2: And there were there were like dragon wings. It was actually a really nice campestry. There was like dragon wings behind it. But I'm not to watch it again because I definitely read it as damn, I fucked up.
01:49:56
Speaker 9: Yeah, I took it as.
01:49:57
Speaker 1: Her carry on y too, same thing, oh well, exactly, well, because she saw what she wanted to see pretty much.
01:50:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took it. I don't know, Raw if you agree with this. I took it as similar to Low's point. Well, I don't know, maybe a mix.
01:50:12
Speaker 1: I think she just had mixed emotions like yes, I'm getting on the throne, but at what cost, Like it's just kind of like I'm it's kind of like you're happy, but you're also cautious. Like I think that's the look that she had.
01:50:25
Speaker 2: And then I think also in the back of her mind too, I think someone mentioned I don't know if it was you, Nay about what is Alison gonna think once she finds out not only is Helena did, but the baby did and she and then she also sent her out to kill one of her kids. It's just like, I don't I think they have destroyed whatever relationship they have, and Raniera is going to be literally on her own. I think even Damon not saying Damon's gonna leave her, but like Damon is not gonna be any use to her moving forward. I think, yeah, yeah, I think Damon's like the whole Infinity War beat it back and the whole wouldn't come out.
01:51:03
Speaker 1: For the whole season. Yeah.
01:51:05
Speaker 2: I just feel like she's gonna be more alone than ever moving forward. And I think she's gonna be like, what's all this worthing? This is the start of her scene. This is the start of her thinking that.
01:51:16
Speaker 4: I don't think she's gonna think it's all of this worth there. I think that this is I think that she's gonna accept it. That's I think that's part of why she said sorry, Okay, Like she's accepting that. I just I just gotta be that bitch and whoever don't like it just can't like it. I'd already told these people about the ship. My dady told me at this point, what is there to lose, Like, I'm just gonna go all the way there.
01:51:39
Speaker 3: So I think that this is just.
01:51:41
Speaker 9: Going to solidify that with her. And I mean, Alison can be mad, but what can Alison really do?
01:51:49
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think she going back to the castle. I think we're gonna get back to her about Lena and she's gonna do something.
01:51:57
Speaker 2: I think she knows Lena died. Remember when she wants out. That was a beautiful scene when the butterflies went up, So I.
01:52:04
Speaker 5: Think she knows.
01:52:05
Speaker 1: I thought that was I'm gonna go ahead name.
01:52:07
Speaker 9: I think Alison is gonna meet that Woodland man because what did she do in the like how she gonna get back to King's landy by herself on foot?
01:52:16
Speaker 6: I don't think some other people would have to like y'all said they did. When she was at the Butterfly tree. Did you see the camp people behind her with her?
01:52:26
Speaker 1: I don't know who that was was, those were Near's people, that was she because I think that was her people. They were escorting her.
01:52:32
Speaker 6: But I think last year, I mean, excuse me, last week, we had the discussion about how she can get back by herself, and we now see if there are other people with her.
01:52:40
Speaker 5: So those those were narous people escorting her.
01:52:43
Speaker 1: Back, don't.
01:52:45
Speaker 6: I don't know who they were specifically, but I think that they are escorting her because I gotta go.
01:52:50
Speaker 4: Look, I know when we've watched. But when she left, did she I think she didn't leave with baltiple horses?
01:52:57
Speaker 1: Okay, I.
01:53:00
Speaker 7: I'm mostly with you, Nay. I don't think she'd give a damn about Helena at all. And I think that when she looked at that tapestry, the way I looked at that tapestry was that the way for her to claim the thrown was through blood, and it was what she did in terms of killing all these people in order to get what was her rightful place. And if that is how I gotta get it done, then it is what it is. I didn't look at it it at it as being her death or anything like that. I just that's how I envisioned it. But I don't think she could fuck I think she just like, yeah, I'm with you, that's more like, oh well than it is what it is.
01:53:40
Speaker 1: I got a thrown now, Yeah.
01:53:44
Speaker 2: We'll see, yeah, but yeah, that's it for season three. Any any other thoughts on this season. Did y'all is this a great season? Good season?
01:53:54
Speaker 1: I think we all agree it was better than the season two, but we got one more and left, so it's probably his best season in my opinion. Really, yeah, from top to bottom.
01:54:06
Speaker 6: I can't remember maybe one episode that I was really like all the wisdom, They're like, okay.
01:54:11
Speaker 1: That's good.
01:54:14
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm kind of witches, Spike. I do think this was the best season. I mean, we're we're in the throes of it all now, and now we have this next season that's coming up in two years, and then we have this movie that's thrown in the middle of it. So the question, yeah, i'd be curious to see what does that have to do with anything? Or is that a standalone story about Agon? I don't know, but there's a lot that has happened, and they got to figure out a way to tell this story concluded in a way that's satisfactory. So they gotta you got they gotta get to this season mark and eclipse it, and it'd be gurtus to see if they pull it all.
01:55:02
Speaker 6: They ain't the same aggn either, kid. I was about to ask it not No, it's one honey years A.
01:55:09
Speaker 2: Man Yeah, this is the it's the eggun that took over. Is this where we get the burning of hair and hall is the story?
01:55:16
Speaker 9: It's not birth already.
01:55:18
Speaker 1: I think this is during the conquest he burnted honey. Yeah, yeah, okay. Is it gonna be a for two years?
01:55:28
Speaker 16: Yeah, twenty eight, but like when it's like like earlier in the year, like the top of the year, yeah, twenty twenty sixth So is it gonna be a whole two years?
01:55:40
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying?
01:55:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, come out nixture in January, I believe, well February or something like that.
01:55:47
Speaker 17: Pretty wead fight back in the world, Mike, Mike, what were your overall thoughts on this season?
01:55:59
Speaker 12: I with.
01:56:01
Speaker 2: I grew with Spike. I do think it was their best season. I don't I don't remember. I mean, I don't remember much these days, but I don't remember disliking any of the episodes that I can remember right now. But I think it ended well. I think there was a lot going on. I think it was a lot of really good build up that actually paid off. It was excellent. It was excellent. I'm not super psyched on a movie popping up in here from two hundred years ago. I mean, maybe they'll make it connect, maybe they won't. I have no idea, but it was like them throwing that that duncan. I forgot what the name of that show was. Yeah, Nine of the Seven Kingdoms throwing that in there when they know, like not, bro, we're really just waiting on the next seasons House of Dragons, so stop fucking around. We don't care about this little weird ass, fucking bald ass kid. His name, He's the one. He's the one that knows what I'm talking about. Who was the ballheaded guy in the original Game of Thrones? Uh no, the original? Yeah, parents, he mentioned the story of the of Agon and and and what's his name? What's the night that he's with and talked about it too, Yeah, like how he taught him how to be a king and all that stuff. So yeah, that's I just don't think I'm patient enough for this, Like this ended really well.
01:57:43
Speaker 5: This movie better be amazing for me to not be irritated that I'm not getting the next season of the show.
01:57:48
Speaker 1: In is dead.
01:57:48
Speaker 6: That's what I think the movie coming out after the show though, Oh I thought you say it was in between my bad? No, what's the only thing in between the next season of this is a Night of the Seven Kings, then the movie I think comes out after that.
01:58:02
Speaker 2: Wait, there's another nine to seven Kingdom season. Yeah, they got they got renewed. They got renewed quick, Mike.
01:58:09
Speaker 1: People love it. Wow, clim what the story is?
01:58:18
Speaker 9: You know?
01:58:18
Speaker 1: Like how his story character.
01:58:24
Speaker 5: Immature this time?
01:58:25
Speaker 6: I really was asking, now his character from where he is when we see him now to the end of it is that's the that's the story.
01:58:32
Speaker 2: The next season, it's gonna here's me a lot older. Y'all stupid as hell. But that's the thing about this This story is about to be much slower. So by the end of it where we started at and where he is, it's going to be a completely different show. Supposedly, Hey can I can.
01:58:47
Speaker 18: I thought Michael was talking about you know how they said it's a conquest, like, yeah, you should just fall with proper, Mike.
01:59:14
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I agree with you.
01:59:15
Speaker 2: I think this is this is now that you brought it up, it is. It's probably is the best season of the series so far. So that means they got a to your point, also, like they waiting two years for this last season, it's a it got it gotta be heat.
01:59:29
Speaker 1: I got got it gotta be heat. So yeah, it's gonna have to be worth the way it's this.
01:59:36
Speaker 6: I think next season is gonna be like with with the type of season that you like it, Well, you've got a lot of people that don't come off the board when you like it's consequences from there episode because it's a lot of people that still there ain't supposed to be there to you.
01:59:50
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I'm ready. Well those are our thoughts on this season of House of the Dragon. Please let us know what you guys think.
01:59:59
Speaker 2: FPS podcast is a Reddit thread that's also a handle for ig and Twitter and we'll catch you in two years.
02:00:05
Speaker 1: For next season. We have peace. Peace,