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Speaker 3: David Penberthy and Will Goodings seven half to six, Good morning to you and welcome to tusdayone.
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Speaker 4: Five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 3: That is the eighteenth of November's cherry picking season. We're gonna be chatting with the CEO of Fruit Producers say, coming up very short. It would have many listers get down and pick fruit, big pick cherries when the season starts. Who goes and gets a fresh box of cherries? If you do, we'd love to hear from your eight double two three double O double oh is the number I wore to chat with the general manager of fundraising and engagement for the Marilyn Swim. The news broke during our program yesterday that the swim would be moved to an outdoor pool as opposed to the ocean because of the algall bloom. It's one of the biggest events now that's been canceled. Part of the Brighton Jeddy Classic, which itself is a wonderful seaside event. It's a big story this we'll talk about it after six thirty today out of Canberra. There's going to be a big story this week. The big four banks are going to be grilled at a committee in Canberra. The CEO of the Banking Association, good friend of the program, Simon Birmingham, will join us just before seven o'clock. Then a little bit later in the morning we'll head to the nation's capital. Phil Curry will beyond the program, we'll talk more about There was a hundreds more schools we're found to have this asbestos laden sand yesterday. Only a handful had it cleaned during the day yesterday. This is going to be a massive operation now the Education minist will come on a little bit later and break it. Heke this morning, my god. Wherever you are, whatever you doing, make sure you come back at eight o'clock. David Penberthy, good morning to you. Good morning, well, good morning.
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Speaker 4: Listeners. Are talking to our boys last night. They've got the sand at their school. It's been found in I think closed containers. They said they haven't played with it. It's interesting talking to them about it. They're very laid back. Kids process things like this. They often process them by doing the opposite of what adults do. What they want to play with it, but they don't. People are taught to sugarcoat things. It's like the verb to pass. You know. Kids don't say, oh, when did your father pass? They say when did he die? You know, there's certain you know, euphemisms. Euphemisms are taught. They're not innate. And I'm talking to Sam, I said, what have you heard about it? And he goes, well, they can kill you. Well, yes, that's kind of the concern that he's it. But he said he thinks that he's ever played with it, and Charlie's never played with it. But he reckons that the kids most likely to play with it are pre school and also special needs kids like sensory things like that, and that that is really, you know, extremely worrying. Can you think back, people more likely to ingest it, lick it. But I don't know, like it's one of those tail I made. You know, every school in essay has the killer of sbestos. Well let's just wait and see, because it doesn't sound like the sort of mesothelioma form.
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Speaker 3: Of Apparently the way which the state gument described it yesterday and needs to be ground down to a fine powder and then inhaled essentially, so in the form it is, it's okay. And you think, well, it's said it's already a fine powder, but would need to be compacted in a way that would be almost deliberate.
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Speaker 4: That's it.
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Speaker 3: There was a interesting juxtaposition between the warning of it that's not that dangerous. Did you see any of the people that removed it. Oh yeah, they looked like they were extracting et from that house. There was the tubing, dusted off, an outbreak exactly. Hey, what do you recall? Please disperse people, nothing to see? Yeah, yeah, did you just put.
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Speaker 4: My giant yellow tracksuit and glass helmet before I go into the local primary school?
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Speaker 3: Any if you think now to being a kid, is anything you played with or anything you've played can just banned for these days by today's standards, is too dangerous? What did you used to do or play with as a child that's now banned and considered too dangerous? We'd love to hear from you. Eight double two to three double A double A.
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Speaker 4: I should be precluded from answering this question on the basis that my father was a biochemist, and he had access to lots of chemicals. Well, that's that's not normal too. Also, we had a thing called an electric shock machine. What two copper handles attached by a bakel like cable to a crank handle with a voltage controller on it. And don't ask me why. Don't ask me why, But we had one of them. I actually think they were used in the nineteenth century. Well, look, electroshock therapy two just stop people who were suffering from what were known as the hysterics. My grandfather owned it. It ended up in our back shed and I remember finding it when I was young and I said to Dad, what's this? And he said, on these two copper rods.
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Speaker 3: And not any sense into you gave me a luxury shot Ben and Clarences Garden. That's what's something you grew up playing with or something you played that's either a legal or friend upon.
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Speaker 5: Now, okay, guys, I actually had a spud gun rock and I bought it in Central My dad actually bought it the Central markets when I was young, And yeah, I had that, And yeah, anymore would.
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Speaker 4: You did you use it for a target or were you terrorizing Logal wildlife. What was there?
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Speaker 5: I had a little sister, unfortunately the brun of it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's spud guns.
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Speaker 3: She would have grown up tough to sister this for sure. Get on your ben. Thank you, Sally. The ill Crest, Good morning.
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Speaker 6: Good morning. How are you?
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Speaker 4: We're good stay What did you grow up with?
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Speaker 6: I don't even know what it was cool? But it was like a big platform that every park had them, and it had the odd rail and you'd spin it really fast. It was like almost like a big merry go round, but it was just like a round disc.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah about You don't see them anymore at all.
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Speaker 6: Kids that would go flying off her.
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Speaker 4: We're do an ankle because the circle would spine injuries.
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Speaker 6: But you don't see them anymore. They're unsafe.
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Speaker 3: That's a good one, Sally, because that's just so public and so obvious.
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Speaker 4: A lot of people saying fire crackers, firecracker muscle and the locklyes.
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Speaker 3: Well you look at I you look look at modern trampoline design. I was around someone's house recently. I hadn't seen a trampoline in a lot of years. I know you've got one of your place that you've been trying to get rid of. But it looks like it was designed by this by NASA, and it's got the sides to capture now.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's entirely safe. I think it's I mean probably because of the ninety seven He's all the kids. You sort of weren't concentrating and ended up landing on a fence.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the springs. The side every pinched by the springs at one point or the other.
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Speaker 4: Our best way to break your leg trampolinings. There's no danger whatsoever in But I was just a basic at the level of editing.
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Speaker 3: Before it was this, you know, suspended by tort springs, bit of fabric and that was it.
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Speaker 4: Speaking of electro shock therapy too, there are there are people institutionalized as a result of trying to put trampolines together on Christmas Eve and having nervous breakdown, never recovering mentally. I would rather come around your place and get the shock therapy than put together a trampoline.
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Speaker 3: That's the only time I used air Tasker. Yeah, people have been vouching for air task to get jobs done.
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Speaker 4: Retired tradings. It's like there Heaven, name your price, Please put this damn trampoline together. It's Christmas Eve had seven offers within six minutes. Crazy.
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Speaker 3: We've got tickets to give away to Music of the Night, a tribute to Andrew Lloyd Webber and the West End Musicals at Her Majesty's Theater Sunday, November thirty.
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Speaker 4: That's only it's less than two weeks away. You get tickets and ticket deck.
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Speaker 3: Or you can give us a call now and nominate the thing that is probably banned or maybe definitely banned that you've played within your childhood eight double two to three double double o textas on the text line Jedifore eight zero eight thirteen ninety five.
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Speaker 4: Mark from Power Hills has got some great memories of the old Monash Playground. Now, that was the place that Ock Health and Safety forgot. I remember going there as a kid. I remember hot it was a forty degree day and went down one of those solid steel slides and thought that I was going to end up the burns unit. Unbelievable. Another one hears sling shots and bolt bombs. Bolt bombs. Match bombs are a big thing around the neck of the woods where can cut the flint off the side sticking inside the match box up against the heads. Yeah, then that's a good word. Gaffer tape. Did you make them?
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Speaker 3: No, but smoke made smoke bombs? The old ping pong ball inside ol foil, the ind light on fire. Yeah yeah, nothing good came of that. Hey, it's sixteen after six. We might take some all calls on this at a moment give away that Andrew Lloyd Webber Experience Music of the Night, A tribute that's playing at Her Majesty's on Sunday, the thirtieth of No.
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Speaker 2: Member David Peenberbie and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast.
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Speaker 3: Twenty after six. Serious story that's been the genesis. A bit of a fun talker to get a started. This morning, we're reflecting on the things that you used to play with or play growing up that have now been banned, outlawed, or maybe just frowned upon. A lot of slingshots coming through only on the text line Peter and hill Bank good morning.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning, gentlemen. I used to muck around with make sparkler bombs.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 7: You'd put the two cooke caps together and you drill a hole through the top. You'd put the sparkler in and you'd light up the sparkler and run back and wait till it hits the bottom and form obviously went.
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Speaker 4: That's a good one. Good.
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Speaker 7: I was also going to say regarding those spinny things that were talked about at the playgrounds. They do still have those a few playgrounds, but they just made a lot safer and they but with a lot more bars and stuff on them, and they don't go as fars because they've got like an almost like a weighted gear in the center which won't allow it to go really quickly.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, taking a bit of the fun out of it. Good good, yeah, yeah, good quick. Thank you mate, on you play. Let's go to and Sam, good morning, Good morning guys.
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Speaker 8: Well we were kids, right, We used to play with a lot of guns, that slug guns twenty two. I remember one day we went down to the local church, Queen of Angels Church, Dave, you probably know where it is, and we went there to play in the park and there was my local priest choosing the birds with his gun on the steeple.
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Speaker 4: Control. It sounds like a Martin school film. I grew up on the mean streets of How good that, Thank you sir. That was excellent. All right, let's let's talk about the move.
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Speaker 3: This feels odd because I think usually when we talk about the start of cherry season, it's warm. But it's the eighteenth of November, and what are we looking at outside at the moment. It's just for the sake of coloring fourteen point seven, it feels like thirteen point eight. It's going to be drizzly again today, like it has been the last little while. But it is the official start of cherry picking season. Grant Pigot, the CEO of Fruit Producer's Essay, joins us on five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 4: Grant, good morning to.
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Speaker 1: You, gentlemen. How are you.
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Speaker 4: What's the weather meant for the season, Grant.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's going to warm up. The weather you're orgomatic has been actually pretty cold, as you know, and the late spring has been un seasonably cold, and we actually do need some sun to ride on at the cherries.
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Speaker 4: Well, Christmas is what seven weeks away? Grant? Is there going to be enough sun between now and then? They have them table ready for the December twenty five?
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Speaker 1: Look, you think so. But what it might do is I think the real head of the cherry season, in particular in Adelaide Hills will be sort of mid December as opposed to the start of December. The crops seem to be sort of seven to ten days later than where they normally are. So whereas like you say, we're normally talking late November to kick the cherry season off in a big way, and the Adelaide Hills we're probably in reality looking for really to kick in. You can get cherries. There's cherries in the shops as Riverland cherryes at the moment that you can buy, but the Adelaide Hills will probably be sort of mid December.
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Speaker 4: Of them the start are there different species because there's some that are yellower, aren't they and there's some that are a lot of different.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of different varieties. I haven't been in this job for that long, but in actual fact, they're not that easy unless you are kind of to tell them apart. Most of them turn out to be sort of round, juicy and red. So certainly the bulk of the ones grown grown here do look actually pretty similar. They are different in generally what point of the season they ripen. The growers put different varieties in their orchards so that what they can do is have a spread of cherries arriving at different times as opposed to all arriving soon on the fifteenth decemb you're going to pick the lot.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so grant a late start presumably means a late finish too. It's not you can get shorter. It just starts later and finishes later.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it does. What it'll mean is particularly for a bit your own experience that period after Christmas and into early Chane where you're looking for stuff to do with the with the kids on school holidays. There'll be a lot more opportunities to pick your own pushing into January than last year. It was actually the early season and it sort of wound up in and around Christmas. But this year there'll be it'll be a cherry is often seen as a fruit for Christmas. It's this year it's very much a fruit for the summer.
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Speaker 4: And just finally grant for a lot of our lessons. Want to be the most important question, how there looking price wise this year? There been any significant pressure parts on pricing or any fluctuations.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think I think what will happen again is they'll they'll start start late that there'll be quite a lot of cherries at the market for really that peak time before Christmas. So I think price will price will be okay. Cherries are are a luxury item that they generally they are very much worth the price you pay for them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, good on your grant grant pick of their fruit. Producers say so, I think it's become a luxury item. And after the life of me, it can't work out why, what has had what has happened to the growing of these little vegetables that are delicious French beans, green beans? Oh really, it's so expensive now, he seemed for like fifteen twenty dollars achilow. Well, they used to be like nine dollars achilo a couple of years ago, when flash hasn't quite got a one hundred percent No, but it must have been getting from Argentina before your man Mille got into flation down to three point five.
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Speaker 3: Things are a little more rocky recently with all Harve, he's got some work to do. Twenty six after six, let's add to Blake View. Dave's on the line, Dave, what's the thing that you grew up playing or playing with that's been banned?
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Speaker 10: Well, we were coerced into it. The uncle was just started his PMG training and he bought him for these wall mamo of coins. He stuck one in the blacksmithshell, the milk and shed, the shear and shed, and the big dive, and he needed somebody volunteers to see if they work. So Ma and me two brothers were staying on there, hanging onto each.
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Speaker 1: Other, hang on to.
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Speaker 10: The walls, and wait, we all fellass over it.
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Speaker 3: That's a good story, Dave, Dave, thank you keeping coming through. If someone is off to see this wonderful Andrew Lloyd Weber show.
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Speaker 4: I'm with Andrew a lot of sentimentality here about the now highly illegal backyard incinerator. I wonder if you're allowed to have an incinerator in the Mitcham Council area with the thought all right, I don't know, maybe that was disgusting rio, but Andrew says, Dad would like the incinerator. Don't let my sister throw anything that was laying around into it. Anything to see how high we could make the flame car tie.
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Speaker 3: That's called making your own fun mattresses. And now today we're expecting a top of twenty one. It's going to be almost a carbon copy Tomorrow twenty one and partly cloudy. Then on Thursday twenty won and partly cloudy. So the next three days it's not gonna take a lot of effort to put out the clothes in the morning. Friday it warms up twenty five and partly cloudy as shower too, and Saturday up to twenty seven and Sunday mostly sunny, and twenty nine is the pick on the forecast. Monday we resume this shower or two business that we keep getting shower two at the top of twenty seven. None of these days are expected to be you know, exactly torrential downpalls, but drizzly cloudy. More of the same for the seven days ahead. Tom Rens of the five to Blow Breakfast Studio be the first test drive the or mitsu Ishi ASX at Augustina Mitsubishi Nailsworth in Mawson Lakes.
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Speaker 11: Morning to You Ready, Morning Will Morning, David Boys World Onto Matilda Shoals. She was the Port Adelaide Best and Fairest winner last night for a second straight year. The Power AFLW side had their Best in ferest count at the Sky City last night, so a great effort from her and last night as well.
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Speaker 12: We had the Hall.
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Speaker 4: Of Fame inductees.
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Speaker 11: The's this Sport Australian Hall of Fame Awards, so the likes of Cam Smith, Tour, Jason Dunstall, Laura Guytes, and then we had the Legends Blinda Clark Andrew Gays and then the Donna Ward for like the most Inspiring Athlete of the Year Oscar Piastre. And one of the other inductees last night was Mark Schwartzer, who was on the Sports Show, and I thought it was appropriate that I sort of segue into by next segment because you know, remember had the former goalie had the moment. I was there actually the night when Australia had that penalty shootout against Uruguay. I think, yeah, yeah, that was unreal there I was there, Yeah, the state of Australian Yeah, yeah, amazing one Neil and then Mark Bresciano scored I think it was, wasn't it and then yeah, the penalty shoot It's still the best event I've been too live.
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Speaker 4: I reckon for sure about that run by that Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 11: Incredible, unbelievable that that's forever etched in folklore. But the reason I bring that up is because yesterday it was probably about seven seven thirty yesterday morning. Ireland had a bit of a moment like that in the soccer. So i'll play it to you now. So they were where they have their group stages. The top side automatically goes through to the World Cup. The second side has the chance to play in a qualify like we did. Hungary were in second Ireland third two or ninety six minute. Hungry's going through until this happened in the ninety six.
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Speaker 4: Control the gas.
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Speaker 13: It's all on this from cleanly color stas was up after it.
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Speaker 4: Chauds a head jack.
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Speaker 13: That's Troy Clarrot. That is unbelievable. He's scoring a hatchick. I'm right up the death. I didn't have done it. I've never seen Hing'd like it, absolutely remarkable. Right at the end, Hungary a becaught. They were hanging on it seems like for the whole night. Certainly when it went to two, this is just stunning. Three two, the time is off. The referee has to finish the game. I'm no voice left.
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Speaker 4: It was great, wasn't it.
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Speaker 14: So?
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Speaker 4: That was so good.
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Speaker 11: That was in Budapest, so it wasn't as loud as it would have been had it been at someone like Crop called something like that in Eiland.
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Speaker 4: That was that was in Budapest. So you feel sorry a bit for Hungry. But the amazing no.
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Speaker 3: Sport does triumph and tragedy like the World game. Just in a moment, it could all be stolen away.
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Speaker 11: That's because there's no outlet until you score.
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Speaker 4: It's so infrequently when you think about it. And Australia has been on the receiving end and the delivery end of it. Australia a rhm. Yeah, just devastation the station. But then equally, what about and you called it here the three of us with the studio, Yeah, Australia v Peru. Andrew redmat that's right, sub in goal, Yeah, that's right. I reckon. That's still the most fun the three of us have ever had at work all the time. But that was that was great, wasn't it that?
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Speaker 3: It was the Irish call just then was superb trying to keep it together his special comments mates completely lost it and then he loses his voice.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they go through good, wouldn't it. Sympathies to any Hungarian Yeah, beautiful country. The late Les Murray one of the many things Hungarians it came to Australia, but yeah, count Island, that's a great result. So I think they've got to play their qualify now in March. But yeah, it'd be.
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Speaker 3: Great to see that great story. Good on your any thanks boys, bans On, David.
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Speaker 2: Penberthy and Wild Goodings five double a Breakfast.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, it is Jerry cherry season. We spoke in the first half hour about that.
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Speaker 4: They did a bit of.
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Speaker 3: Warm weather, don't we all, and the cherries are going to be absolutely magnificent in time for Christmas. Coming up this half hour we're going to chat with Sapol. We'll get the weather and also before seven o'clock this morning, the CEO of the Banking Association you're in Australia, Simon Birmingham, is going to join us. They're gonna be facing questions in the nation's capital this week. We'll get into some of those issues shortly with the former South Australian senator. But first let's talk about a story that broke during our program yesterday. The Marilyn Swim as part of the Brighton Jeddy Classic, an iconic event. This thing has gotten from strength to strength, so much so they now have to reject potential Marylands. There's just shy of a thousand of them to get in the water. The problem is the water. The algal bloom has claimed another victim and the Maryland Swim will now be moving to an outdoor Paul. So the good news is the event goes ahead, money will be raised and I'm sure so how the strolons will support this terrific cause for the Cancer Council. But it's gonna look a bit different. Paul Morton is the general manager of Fundraising an Engagement for the Cancer Council.
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Speaker 4: Morning to you, Paul, Good morning.
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Speaker 15: How are you.
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Speaker 4: We're good, thanks, Paul. So, just in terms of this, obviously the trigger for it was the algall bloom. Is it less concern about water quality rather just the sort of unpredictability with the surf life Saving clubs doing the daily tests of water and so forth, that you just couldn't guarantee certainly around whether the beaches would even necessarily be open.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's absolutely right. The decision was made really to ensure the certainty of the event, and you know, when we're planning it so far in advance, we really wanted to make sure that Marylands for the people that support it, the donors and obviously the South Australian public that count councils South Australia supports for these vital funds to make sure the event goes ahead. And you know, as we stand eye now, there is the possibility there is subject of restrictions or cancelations, so we just want the best event possible.
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Speaker 4: It's quite a good space though, the Marian Outdoor Pool, because you've got a huge lawn area and you know it's been there since the nineteen seventies. Only the swim there and all the mates growing up used to use it as their local pool, so it's a big area to work with.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, look it is and we were down there yesterday. I mean the weather wasn't so great yesterday, but hopefully it will be on the eighth of February. But yeah, great space and great families. There's a number of pools, there's some border slides, we might get some Marylands coming down the world. So yeah, it's going to be a great day and.
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Speaker 4: It's really grown a lot. As we were saying, well, i think when it started we interviewed I think the very first time it was held, how long we've been on the air. I think we spoke to someone in year one and now twelve years on, it's it's really become a huge event.
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Speaker 16: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Look like like I said just said before we had just over seven hundred Maryland's and this year's event earlier this year, we're expecting over a thousand to the next event. We're hoping there's going to be more and we also hope as well because this is slightly different this year. There's a different vibe and like you said, the space is amazing. We're hoping that we're going to get Marylands that have never done this before. So it has grown from strength to strength. It has raised so much money to support South Australians living with cancer. And yeah, it's a wonderful event.
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Speaker 4: Good on your Paul. Paul Morton, the general manager of Fundraising any engagement at the Cancer Council. Would you lend us win will.
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think it might have been finding with my daughter gues or it was Westlake Shore, which I don't think exists anymore.
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Speaker 4: But it was a one. Yeah, it was an indoor one yep. I can remember it being freezing cold. We had to get our survival certificates at the Merie and outdoor pool and we all had to jump in fully clothed tread water for fifteen minutes. Really it was hard wearing shoes and jeans and jumpers.
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Speaker 3: That's not a comfortable with that's not a comfortable thing. I remember it was one of the we at start of the Sea having beach days when I went to school there, because you know, you right across the road from the beach, it was easy to go down to the beach and do an aquatic sort of day. I don't remember any of those days being warmer than ten degrees. I don't know how that's climactically possible, but my memory of every single one of them, it was arctic conditions every time we went there. I'm sure they weren't, but they're the ones I remember. Let's go to value you speaking of memories this morning, we're asking you about the things you grew up playing with it a band or at least you know frowned upon now Steve in Valley View, Good.
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Speaker 1: Morning, hag boys. Back in the old days, when the Adelaide City Bars was open, they said diving towers there and all the kids climbed up the stairs, no control, jumping off towers and jumping on each other. And then the odd hero used to jump over a chain that sort of was stopping people going to the top tower jumping off that no one watching, mate, it was it was out of control. But I must say I've been off one of the most dangerous half paratuses ever built.
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Speaker 4: What's that?
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Speaker 1: That's the diving board at the north.
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Speaker 4: Wow, I had to be shut down. Step They shut it down.
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Speaker 1: Oh that was dangerous.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank god someone got to that. You're one of the many, many people who was never injured there.
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Speaker 3: Incredible, every one of those hundred years without an incident. They were one year closer to someone getting hurt and someone had to do something about it. Very good, Stephen, that's excellent.
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Speaker 4: Do some texts. Zero eight thirty ninety five, Andrew says, fun fact, cheries have to be picked ripe as they don't ripe and once picked. Maybe that's where the saying comes from. Now he were getting into some crazy stuff anantin Gore, Hi boys. I had a blob of mercury about the size of the big grape which I used to play with. I'd roll it around in my hands and let them fall through my fingers in pieces, drop it onto a plate where it would regroup back into a blob. Great fun, probably highly illegal. In twenty twenty five, there's another one here from a Sparky. Sorry, no, not a Sparky. It's from Roger, he says Kiday Guys. I went to Gillis Plaines Tech where the music teacher would get you to hold the probes of an electricians mega and wine, the handle that produced a thousand volts for checking insulation. If you were talking, or if two or more were talking in class, you have to hold hands and the boys on the and would hold the probe and you'll get an electric shock. See.
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Speaker 3: Not only is that legal now, I think you think it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.
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Speaker 4: You can't do that to a war criminal. I'm litt alone, an indolent music student. That's that's the sort of thing that got the Yanks into trouble at Guantanamo Bay.
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Speaker 3: That's right, Pock, How the world has changed? That was excellent that text. Keep the coming through. We will award the double pass to music of the night before seven o'clock this morning, Bit a Trampoline Love as well. Rob says, good morning men. Highly dangerous.
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Speaker 4: Trampolines were the type that will over pits in the ground and then had a concrete surround. We had ten of them in the Parking shopping center in the nineteen sixties, and I continue they're extremely dangerous.
00:28:45
Speaker 3: Keep coming again zero before eight zero eight thirty ninety five. Well, give us a buzz eight double two three et double O double.
00:28:50
Speaker 2: David Penberbe and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
00:28:56
Speaker 3: Twelve minutes to seven. Let's head to the weather Bureau. Mark Anilac is on duty today. Mark, good morning to you.
00:29:02
Speaker 17: Good morning guys.
00:29:03
Speaker 3: Any danger we're going to get in any warmth anytime soon?
00:29:07
Speaker 4: Marked, joke around.
00:29:10
Speaker 17: Look, we are getting very late in the season, and it's well, it's not unheard of to have these cooler temperatures. It's quite unusual that we don't see temperatures above thirty somewhere in November. So yeah, it's certainly been a cool spell and it looks like it will continue for some time yet. Today fairly we've a light northwest to Wesley bring cloud wind bringing in some low cloud to the Adelaide area. That low cloud is presenting itself as fog for those in the hills. So a cloudy start, but we should see that cloud start to lift during the day. There might be the odd spot or two under it, but don't expect too much.
00:29:50
Speaker 4: Today.
00:29:50
Speaker 17: We're heading for a top of twenty one degrees. Currently in the city it's fourteen point seven degrees tomorrow finding up a little bit. We should see a bit more blue sky around tomorrow. Twenty one degrees Thursday twenty one, Friday warning up to twenty five and at this stage we'll see the winds turn northly at the weekend. Twenty seven degrees on Saturday, twenty nine degrees on Sunday.
00:30:13
Speaker 4: Still nothing with a three in front of it. Good stuff, Mark, thank you, Mark. Nil there from the weather viewing.
00:30:17
Speaker 3: All right, let's say to say Paulson Constable Jen callenan on the line. Jenna Man's been arrested in a Cheltenham overnight.
00:30:23
Speaker 18: Yes he has.
00:30:24
Speaker 19: Good morning. It was just after a quarter past seven last night. Witnesses reported seeing a man on CCTV in the rear of an address on James Street and contacted police and patrols were quickly unseen and located that suspect in the shed on the premises attempting to steal some tools. So the thirty two year old man from Pennington was arrested. He's been charged with serious criminal trespass and possession of some drug equipment. So he's going to find himself in the Port Adelaide Magistrates Court in December.
00:30:53
Speaker 4: Rightly so Jen Also a bloke's been arrested in Port Lincoln for traffic offenses.
00:30:58
Speaker 19: Yeah, we're going to head over there this morning. And it was about quarter past four yesterday afternoon. Police attempted to stop a Subaru station wagon on veran Terrace and the driver immediately sped off, but the car was found a short time later on the gar Street. Now they searched a nearby address and they located that driver in possession of an amount of metaphetamine. And he's a twenty eight year old Port Linker man. He's been arrested in charge with driving and registered on insured driving disqualified and also traffic in a controlled drug. And he's going to appear in the Port like Blinket magistrates caught today.
00:31:33
Speaker 4: Good stuff Jensy you Constable Jim Cullen and there from Staphole all right, Glen Old paid. It has got an example of something that he grew up playing with or playing that you can't do now morning you.
00:31:42
Speaker 14: Paid it by good morning. I can't believe that nobody's rang up about their air rifles and baby gans. Wem's pretty much all had as kids, and factor that I'd like that one back again now for all the pigeons around grown milk, but they were legal.
00:31:57
Speaker 4: Now. We have had a few people, particularly Spadgar as well, Pete, a lot of love for the old spud gun. But yeah, I know some of the earlier rises were bemoaning the fact that air rifles no more. I'd made at school. We had them too, It was quite commonplace. But good on you mate. We appreciate the call. Thank you, Peter. Well.
00:32:17
Speaker 3: The bosses of the big four banks have made their annual pilgrimage to Canberra to be quizzed by politicians on a range of issues that will go to employment, lending practices, scams and so forth. Simon Birmingham is the CEO of the Australian Banking Association and joints us on five to blow Breakfast now, Simon, good morning to.
00:32:33
Speaker 9: You, Good morning guys.
00:32:34
Speaker 4: Good great to have you on Burma. This must be sort of deja vu for you hopping on a plane to go to Canberra to this time be on the receiving end of the grilling as opposed to leading it.
00:32:46
Speaker 9: Well, it's the four four Big four bank CEOs, SO, Commonwealth, the NAB, WESTPACA and Z all front up on these two days in the House of Rep's Economics Committee. So I've had plenty of experience of both answering questions as a minister and thinking about what might be asked as a senators. So this time it's of course been very much on the thinking side. But look, really it's a banks have a significant place the economy in our country and this is a unique bit of accountability for the banking sector compete really with any other part of the business community in Australia. But the forefront up and they do so to address whatever is on the mind of the parliamentarians asking the questions.
00:33:33
Speaker 4: Do you have to try to sort of strategically war roomate to use that management term, you know, work out in advance what's the likely incoming and what do you think it would be. I mean, there's always that tension between profits and redundancies. Every time there's a round of redundancies or any adjustments for technological change. The first thing we do here is will rattles off. You know how much money Bank X made last year? Are you expecting a bit along those lines.
00:34:03
Speaker 9: Look, I've no doubt that some of the announcements made by individual companies will form part of the questioning of those companies and what tech changes are going to mean in terms of future outlook will be part of the questioning. And you would be foolish for anybody to go before a parliamentary committee and not try to think about in advance and learn in advance and what the areas of interest might be at the parliamentarians to make sure you're as well prepared as you can be to answer those questions. But when you look at the investment in technology, KPMG estimated that last year Australian banks sent has spent nine billion dollars on technology fifteen percent increase. And that's driven in part by a large part by consumer behavior. That the way people are spending and engaging with banks has changed dramatically. Back in twenty eighteen we used about one billion dollar in sort of tap and go type payments. Now we spend around twenty billion dollars every month, so from one billion dollars a year to twenty billion dollars a month, and so that requires a huge investment in the tech platforms to make that operate smoothly and safely, and that's the critical things in there to be able to explore and discuss.
00:35:23
Speaker 3: Burmert strikes where that technology might be an interesting clash point in these conversations because, rightly or wrongly, when Nanz announce they're going to lose threey five hundred jobs, a few people raised the eyebrows and thought, is this the beginning of the AI wave? Despite the fact that the bank was it pains to say this is not an AI driven decision. But at the same time, and so there'll going to be questions around artificial intelligence or what it means for banking, I imagine, But I'm guessing the banks to want to make the point, Hey, some of this stuff and some of this technology is going to be good for fighting scammers, and it's going to be good for pushing back on scams and protecting people's accounts. How do you see that flash point playing out?
00:36:04
Speaker 9: Well, I think there's a couple of points when it comes to jobs. No doubt there'll also be expiration over betwend in job numbers. The increase that have occurred over recent years, and now some of that increase been withdrawn, the tightening of need interest margins, and what that means that the competition in the banking sector, the fact that people are getting when it comes to mortgages more and more through mortgage brokers, even small business loans more and more through brokers, and that they are driving for some of the best deals. But yes, then how banks are having to invest in technology in scams and fighting them, and you've got this situation at present, whereas I said, Australian banks spent around nine billion dollars last year on technology, while the Reuters News agency reviewed the other day that Meta, the Facebook owner and technology company, happily earned around sixteen billion dollars from known scam ads. That's a pretty remarkable thing and it shows the investment banks are having to make to try to help keep Australians safe against those types of horrific global trends.
00:37:14
Speaker 4: That writer's article I thought was amazing because it almost made it sound like it's part of Meta's business model, rather than trying to make it make the high jump bar prohibitively high for these scam companies. It almost looks like the factor it into their forward financial planning at Facebook.
00:37:35
Speaker 9: The article in the revelations in terms of the documents that the Ruyter's News agency was able to get a hold of a kind of akin to the tobacco industry revelations of decades ago. Because yes, Meta do appear to know that they are showing people around the world around fifteen billion scam ads a day a day, and where they suspect something to be a scam ad, they're not taking it down. They're charging the person more, which means Meta is making more money from the scam ads. So there's a huge task here for the social media sector to step up and to play it part to increasing concern of course in the US and other places as well. It's not just Australian consumer advocates and banks who are concerned that's replicated around the world, but it's certainly an issue on which the consumer groups and the banks are at one in terms of our concern and work with government to hear. The Albanezi government legislated with bipartisan support in the last parliament for a scams prevention framework that will see banks accept certain obligations, telecommunications companies accept certain obligations, but also critically, the media platforms. The social media platforms also have to accept the code and certain obligations and face penalty if they breach that. And we're really looking forward to seeing that code consult come out and for those codes to be hopefully operational from one July next year.
00:39:04
Speaker 3: I don't imagine this will come up necessarily in Canberra Burmo, but it has been a talking point globally. Donald Trump floating the idea of the fifty year mortgage in the last five or six days. Is that something you think we'll see a push to adopt here in Australia.
00:39:19
Speaker 9: I'd be surprised. The sort of the thirty year term is pretty well embedded in the way Australians look and plan around their mortgages. But as I said, the mortgage market has become ever more competitive. The net interest margins, so essentially the cost of having money and what you get for lending it for banks, has seen some tightening over recent years, and that's a function of the competition not just between the Big four but also from more banks, including those offering digital only loan type options, and so with that competition comes innovation, and maybe some will cease scope for different terms, particularly for for perhaps younger borrowers.
00:40:02
Speaker 4: Good stuff, Burmo Simon Birmingham, the CEO of the Australian Banking Association, thanks for joining us. A minute to seven. We've got some tickets to give away.
00:40:10
Speaker 3: David to a caller, Yes, to Andrew Lloyd Webber, to a caller with a tale of things they used to get up to as kids that will be banned or at very least frowned upon these days, or indeed, in one particular instance, in outright banned by law. The tickets to Andrew Lloyd Webber Weeber on November the thirty at the Excellent Majesty's Theater. Music of the night is the name of the show, and you get tickets A ticket tech I reckon.
00:40:37
Speaker 4: Let's give it to job of sound Effects. Let's give it to Peter. Peter.
00:40:44
Speaker 3: Peter, Peter, You've got the tickets. Cover your way from glen Ell. We've got the news coming our way, and on the other side of it, a very happy story about the continuation of Bedford announced yesterday.
00:40:55
Speaker 2: That's David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast, seven.
00:41:01
Speaker 3: After seven, Good morning, Servir Johinning is for the first time on this Tuesday, the eighteenth of November. Weather Wise, little to report. It is much like it has been. It is gray, it is not particularly warm. It might be less drizzly if we're going to be glass full. Is a little bit around the place, but otherwise it's much of the same. Some good news potentially coming this weekend, at least on Sunday, which looks like a pretty magnificent sort of day. Some good news coming in terms of content right through till nine o'clock breaking. It's going to be massive today. Are we going to chat with Heather Kroll, who, it was announced yesterday stepping down is Fringebosh. He's been there for eleven years. It's undergone a lot of change over the course of that time. Well sells more than a million tickets now nagger a large ev world's.
00:41:41
Speaker 4: Biggest festival, biggest, biggest dam arts festival in the Southern Hemisphere.
00:41:45
Speaker 3: It's the second biggest in the world. I believe it's only behind Edinburgh. It's incredible, isn't remarkable? So we're talking about that and what comes next. The Treasurer Tom Kitz turn us after eight thirty taking your questions. Phil Curry in the nation's capital in a moment we're going to talk about was a terrific news story yesterday. Twelve hundred jobs at Bedford have been saved the Disability Trust, a nonproprofit provider based out of Well. They've got branches in Victoria, Queens. They New Southwest and the ACT will buy Bedford and keep it going. We're going to chat with some of the workers, including Lee, who we spoke to last time. We thought at least it hadn't been saved, but it had received a stay of execution and he was delighted with that news. We'd a lovely chat and we'll do it again in just a moment. But let's begin the hour with this extraordinary front page breaking news story from our very own Jess Adamson this morning writing and the Advertiser about a story that it to be fair, has raised some questions on the text line this morning regarding Tamika Chess, the former Beauty and the Geek contestant that's accused of murdering her partner in Port Lincoln, who Jess is revealed is pregnant. Jess Adamson, good morning to.
00:42:51
Speaker 20: You, good morning, well, good morning came on.
00:42:54
Speaker 4: So this is a truly remarkable story. And you don't know who the father is. Do you know how many months pregnant she is?
00:43:05
Speaker 20: Well, what we do know is that she is due to have this child sometime early next year. So I'm not sure exactly how far is how far she is, but look, I think we can all agree it's another twist in this incredibly sad and complicated mess, and it does present more questions than answers at the.
00:43:26
Speaker 4: Moment because working backwards, so her former partner who she's accused of killing and dismembering Julian's story, the thirty nine year old man, so they had there was some sort of incident back in June June nineteen. His remains were found July thirty one, so he was still alive five months ago, so potentially he could be the father. But the thing is, if he's not the father, that raises all sorts of questions about how she's been cared for and monitored while she's detained under the Mental Health Act. That James desh House doesn't.
00:44:06
Speaker 20: It, It certainly does My understanding is that it is still unclear who the father is. I understand that it is possible that it may be Julian's story, but that is unlikely. And I think, as we know from history, when women who are incarcerated or held under a mental health detention order, as Tamika Chessai is in James Nash House at Oakton, then authorities like the Department of Child Protection it is their role to manage this or help manage this from here on in. So my understanding would be that they would be talking with her, perhaps talking to family members, her family members in particular, to see and just perhaps scope out what the future for this child might be. Because while some women in South Australia who are incarcerated are able to keep their children, particularly in those early weeks and months, and in fact there are special programs set up that we know to increase that bond between mother and baby, I think in this case it's highly unlikely, given her fragile mental state at the moment, and of course the seriousness of the charges.
00:45:14
Speaker 4: Hmmm. Did have her family said anything about, you know, the fact that she's going to be a mother.
00:45:24
Speaker 20: I haven't been in contact with her family, and I haven't been in contact with his family. I understand mister Story's family have been told the news by major crime detective. You can imagine this adds just another whole layer of grief for them. Mat just so many questions, just so many questions for that family.
00:45:42
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and as you said, yes, it's not clear whether she became pregnant before or after being committed. That's right, amazing story, Jess jess Adamson five double as owned Jess Adamson, who also wrote excellent columns for The Tyser. Thanks for joining us.
00:46:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an intriguing story that one is going to be more to come out of that, no doubt.
00:46:08
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.
00:46:09
Speaker 3: Yesterday, breaking it eight, we were able to bring the very happy news that Bedford would continue to operate, and most importantly that would mean work for the twelve hundred people who were employed there. The Disability Trust will take over the operation a non for profit provider. Are they going to buy Bedford? The Premier and Health Minister federally Matt Butler announced yesterday that they'd found someone and that was terrific news. But the reality of this is it's not the politicians that we most wanted to speak to. It was the workers. But we did this before when Bedford was first circling the drain, so to speak, and then they received a stay of execution by way of the federal and state money. Today, though, it's even happier because this is the long term future of Bedford secured. So let's go to David Stevens, who is a worker at Bedford. David, good morning to you. You must be really hap be at this news.
00:47:01
Speaker 21: Very good morning to you guys. How are you this morning?
00:47:03
Speaker 4: We're good, thanks, David. Not as relieved as you though, mate. Great news.
00:47:06
Speaker 21: Hey, yeah, excellent news. It was very It was really wonderful. Yes yesterday. Wanted to hear the good news that we we get our jobs saved. It was fantastic.
00:47:16
Speaker 4: So where were you when you heard, David? Were you working yesterday?
00:47:19
Speaker 21: I know when I got to work, I heard, I heard the news. I had to sit down with hare that you know, in our dining room, actually heard the actually heard the news, and it was just like we were celebrating with happiness.
00:47:30
Speaker 4: Oh that's good. What do you do there, David.
00:47:33
Speaker 21: I'm in the packaging area, so I work in packaging, so we've been doing a lot of the I'm in the packaging area at the moment, so do packaging I mean a certain area doing differing jobs at the moment.
00:47:42
Speaker 4: Well, your colleagues pretty worried.
00:47:46
Speaker 21: Not really, but we were like yes and yes, yes and no, yes and no that we were decide we're looking for to hear the good news else about it.
00:47:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, it must be important, David, because it's like any workplace you know, like me and will hear with sort of you know occasionally of the footy go to the pub together and have fun, you know, with the other staff, Pat and m and the rest of the team Bedford, you must go. I have a social life that comes out of Bedford too.
00:48:12
Speaker 21: That's right, because that's right, because I enjoyed when I'm not working, I just do it. I do sports. Was I do the Caen bowling as well on weekend and weekdays as well.
00:48:21
Speaker 4: Ten pin bowling. Yes, yeah, right. Do you do any good wood? No?
00:48:26
Speaker 21: I go to I bought I bought wood on Wednesday night and I bowl at no longer bowls Aday mornings.
00:48:31
Speaker 4: Yeah. Right. And is that with other mates from Bedford?
00:48:36
Speaker 21: No, not really. One of my friends, one of my friends who worked with me. Josh is in my teammates and he worked with me at Bedford.
00:48:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that's a bit.
00:48:45
Speaker 21: Yes, we decide do lead. We do lead together every every on weekends.
00:48:49
Speaker 4: What's your highest score?
00:48:51
Speaker 21: Oh got two hundred last time.
00:48:54
Speaker 4: Wow, you're a good day, seriously good.
00:48:57
Speaker 21: Yeah, you want to went one one who went? Now?
00:49:01
Speaker 12: Well?
00:49:02
Speaker 4: I mean, well, well done, David, I have strikes. That's pretty good.
00:49:07
Speaker 3: Well, you can bowl now with the weight of the future of Bedford off your shoulders. Let's go to Lee Dreyer, who we've spoken to in the past. We had a lovely chat with Lee. Last time we got some good news about Bedford. Not as good as the news this time around. Lee, Good morning to you. You two must be very excited.
00:49:24
Speaker 22: Yeah. I am really a sight of that to you. I'm a cleaner, impackage and I'm a cleaner.
00:49:32
Speaker 4: And were you working yesterday, Lee.
00:49:34
Speaker 22: When the news broke working yesterday?
00:49:37
Speaker 4: What was the reaction like at Bedford?
00:49:39
Speaker 23: Lee?
00:49:39
Speaker 22: I met? I've been on TV?
00:49:42
Speaker 4: Really?
00:49:43
Speaker 22: Yeah?
00:49:45
Speaker 4: How was the Premier? Was he was he chatty? Did you ever? Did you have a few words with him? What do you think about your port man?
00:49:53
Speaker 22: Close man?
00:49:54
Speaker 4: Did you give him a bit of stick.
00:49:57
Speaker 22: Yeah, no I didn't.
00:50:00
Speaker 4: Well I suppose he arrived with such good news you didn't want to be rudely. Yeah, so was everyone. Everyone must have been really happy, mate, Yeah.
00:50:09
Speaker 22: They weren't my ball yes as well, right, No, it.
00:50:15
Speaker 4: Was a big, big news day at Bedford.
00:50:17
Speaker 22: Yeah, it was really exciting yesterday.
00:50:20
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well thank you.
00:50:22
Speaker 22: For your thanks for the ticket as well from five Oh look.
00:50:26
Speaker 4: To try We gave you tickets, didn't we, mate?
00:50:29
Speaker 22: Yeah?
00:50:30
Speaker 4: What was that for? Again?
00:50:32
Speaker 22: It was the Faundly past was maybe past?
00:50:34
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what did you say?
00:50:36
Speaker 22: I haven't seen it, but it was are you guys on the meets right this week?
00:50:41
Speaker 10: Or a.
00:50:43
Speaker 4: Friday morning? The meat tro Friday?
00:50:46
Speaker 22: Asking?
00:50:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you tuning Friday morning? Wing yourself a metro then, mate, you're a winning machine. Andrew and Prospects called in Andrew, good morning to.
00:50:58
Speaker 16: You, good morning? Yeah, like congratulations into you know everybody, But just don't look.
00:51:08
Speaker 24: That Bits of not only provide the supported informat optionnities, but they also run an excellent program. Is a day option that a young lad that i'm guardian taught a thing.
00:51:21
Speaker 16: And you know stants that have high complex and disability needs and the team that they are unbelievable, Like they're amazing.
00:51:29
Speaker 24: That the way that they have personalize the activities netural clients, they don't haven't engaged full the weeks of very activity excluding snorking, social community access and independents and living skills.
00:51:46
Speaker 16: You know, it's just tremendous. Like but they also and yeah, so we've been in limbo, you know since behead of Us initially, but.
00:51:56
Speaker 24: I'd just like to also acknowledge the fact that along these.
00:52:00
Speaker 16: Journey of Uncertained have kept everybody in the schools emails and classification.
00:52:10
Speaker 4: Well that's great to hear, Andrew. Your phone's just dropping out a little bit there, but we got the juice.
00:52:14
Speaker 3: Of it in the centimon is the communication has been great and they do really wonderful work there, which which we know and we're delighted that it's going to be able to continue.
00:52:21
Speaker 4: Thanks for calling in.
00:52:22
Speaker 2: David Peenberby and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
00:52:26
Speaker 3: Twenty two minutes after seven, Phil Curry coming up after seven thirty this morning, and then before eight o'clock we didn't get an update from the Education mist to Blair Boyer, hundreds more schools have been added the list of those with this asbestos.
00:52:40
Speaker 4: Laden sand, which means they're going to need to be clean. How's that process going to take? What kind of disruption is there going to be? If any will find out? With education min it's before eight o'clock today. I think the good news is in a lot of places the stuff hasn't even been opened up. No, so you know if it's just sitting there in pot I'll tell you what I noticed that office works. I was there a few weeks ago buying my favorite type of pin, which is the uniball I find black in case anyone's interested in that level of detail. But there was this huge display of the sand. When I walked in on the left there kesik this massive amount and it's all gone. Now. It's amazing, isn't it. Yah. I think there's the angle that interests people the most, apart from the safety angle with this, is the how do they make stuff in China element of it, because I think, well, the door example was a good one. We got yesterday people that have had things manufactured there that have come here and have been substandard or outright dangerous. In this case, I'll tell you what is a story I really like at the moment being a big board game guy. We're going through a bit of a Monopoly phase at our house. It's a good game and apply It teaches about greed and it teaches you about how to deal with loss. It prepares you for the Australian property experience too. Yeah, that's right.
00:53:55
Speaker 3: I guess I've got out bid and now I'm broke. Suddenly everything's Mayfair and Park Lane.
00:54:00
Speaker 4: All the people that own the houses have all the money. But there's a story. There's a story that in the TiSER a couple of days ago, it might have been in a Sunday mail. The Australian Toy Association is talking about how there's been big surges in the last couple of months in the sales of Lago and Uno and also other board games. It's things like Pluto and so on. And part of it is because parents are getting ready for the fact that their kids are going to be kicked off social media. So the idea of family board game night, even things like Card Knights. Card Knights were all the go in the seventies, not going to remember, would go to Grandma Penn's on a Saturday night, would play Gin Rummy or Canasta. It was great sitting around get the folding bridge table out. But as a kid, did you have a favorite board game?
00:54:52
Speaker 25: Will?
00:54:52
Speaker 3: Growing up we went through a Monopoly phase, but that just always ended in fights. I don't think a game ever made it to its natural conclusion without a board getting flipp do, money getting thrown, usually by my brother. He was the guilty party generally, but that one got played a little bit. That was always fun. How are you You would have been bed eyed at Monopoly?
00:55:09
Speaker 4: Uh? Pretty shrewd? Yeah, No, I was just the ugly face of capitalist.
00:55:13
Speaker 1: Oh.
00:55:13
Speaker 4: Completely gave me a real love for it. You mean I can crowd other people out of the market exhauting excellent, no rent controls here.
00:55:22
Speaker 3: It's funny you talk about what your favorite board games folks. And have you any of having a renaissance in your household? Eight double two three double o double Have you introduced your kids or grandkids to any We'd like to hear your stories? Eight double two three double o double textus on the text lines it before zero eight thirty ninety five. I read this great piece during the week by an American journalist called Derek Thompson and his blog talking about how everything's becoming television, and I just I think about a stat in that piece that so the conceit of the piece is this idea that TV's not dying. It's actually stronger than ever. But it's just not what we call it. Eighty percent of people's time they spent on Facebook now is not doing social media. It's watching videos. Tinety percent of the time people spent on Instagrams not posting photos, it's watching reels TikTok. Is just this is just television now. We just don't call it that. We're still calling it social media when by and large, it's just how people are digesting TV anyway. By the bye, between nineteen sixty five and nineteen ninety five in the US, and I bet it's the same here, the average American gained six hours of leisure time a week. Gained gained over that period of thirty years sixty five to ninety five, three hundred plus hours a year. You mentioned the seventies people play board games. Do you know what They funneled almost all of that time into watching television. Watching television. Watching television is the thing that changed most significantly in the nineteen to seventy six percent of kids had a TV in their bedroom. In nineteen ninety nine it was seventy seven percent. Seventy seventy seven percent. Seriously, that's children, that's I reckon, that's the death of board games. We're not the death of board games. That's overstating it. But you talk about their house seeing days of the board.
00:57:00
Speaker 4: Game, well, board game. It's gone from board games to gaming.
00:57:04
Speaker 23: Yeah.
00:57:04
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's all the same continuum. It's just like and the TV's in there. It's a monitor more than the TV, isn't it Because they're not I hate to break it here, but they're not watching free to wear television. No, no, but that's just what's what us old people call television. Yeah, but it's tech people still watching a little screen, videos full of content. But it's interesting you picked that data point because it just tweaked my memory too. That was probably the high point of entertainment sands a screen. Yeah, you know, as it was as it was coming in. It was probably that.
00:57:34
Speaker 4: Sort of sixties, late sixties early set change. So fast, hasn't it You think about, like you know, our listeners who win the care Alert smart dialer. You know, people are born in the nineteen forties, often that they would have had one doll or maybe one of those wooden wooden balls on a string that you're catching the car completely. But you know that would be a toy to last year. You know months.
00:57:56
Speaker 3: There's a great piece that was written in nineteen nine. In fact, it was in ninety nine by a Harvard scholar, Robert Puttnam, who makes this wrote this entirestay about the tea. It's reprogramming people's brains. They don't think in paragraphs, they're thinking scenes. And it's this whole piece that could be written in twenty twenty five about social media. All the all the concerns are exactly the same. It's fascinating. Scott and Modbrey. Board games in your place? What are you playing?
00:58:21
Speaker 26: Oh, good boys, If you want a great one, David, get yourself Settlers of Katan it is. It's won that many awards. It's ridiculous. It's a really fun game.
00:58:32
Speaker 4: That's why we're going to create communities. Or it's like a medieval sort of games.
00:58:36
Speaker 26: Guy, it isn't it isn't. It's it's like a card based game with dice and you you generate resources and the more you need to spend the resources to get bigger and bigger, and you you grow. It can be really spiteful if you play with your mates. So it's a great one. But another one would be risk if you've got three or four hours to waste.
00:58:59
Speaker 1: But if you're to blow the whole.
00:59:00
Speaker 26: Day, showgun, which is just risk gone steroids and it's yeah, they're great games.
00:59:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, Riskers. Riskers have been around for a while. Mates of mine went through a massive risk phase.
00:59:10
Speaker 3: Risk is the kind of thing that became a computer game. But that that kind of depth, that deep, long session complicated, that's that's the thing that naturally transitioned to being video games. Naomi in Westlakes, good morning, good morning, how are you good things?
00:59:25
Speaker 4: Nami?
00:59:26
Speaker 1: Good?
00:59:27
Speaker 4: My girls and I we still love Yeah, that's just a classic, is it. Well, that's right naming who knows one of the games. It's had the big surge in the last few months as well.
00:59:37
Speaker 21: Oh it is.
00:59:37
Speaker 25: But yeah, my girls like to change the rules of draw to and draw for every time they play.
00:59:43
Speaker 4: Well you can, you can tweak it up a bit, have your own house rules.
00:59:46
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's one game that Cimo can we play, you know, it's brilliant.
00:59:50
Speaker 3: Yeah together, well done, Nami, good stuff, KEPN coming in eight double two three double O double. In the meantime we're a checking in the five double A newsroom and Phil Coourry and Thenation's Capital.
01:00:00
Speaker 2: Next David Penberthy and World Goodings five double A Breakfast.
01:00:04
Speaker 3: Twenty one minutes to big Breaking at eight this morning, and I want to hang around for this one. The Treasurer Tom kurtzer tourtis after eight thirty answering your questions. You can flick them through on the text lines before eight zero eight thirty ninety five, and we're going to have a final chat with Heather Kroll as Fringe director, who has been the director of the Fringe for as long as we've been doing this program, We've never had to chat with another director of the Adelaide Fringe. He's been in the job for eleven years, seen it grow remarkably. It's going to be some sort of record completely. I can't think of anyone who's lasted longer than that.
01:00:34
Speaker 4: We'll be chatting with her after after eight o'clock. Let's head to the Nation's Capital now, though Phil Curry from The Australian Financial Review joins this morning.
01:00:42
Speaker 12: Do you Phil that morning? Girls? How are you?
01:00:44
Speaker 4: Yeah? We're good, thanks Phil. Jeez ill tell you what it sounds like. It's the killing season for liberal leaders today. The Victorian guy might get knocked off and in Sydney, Adelaide's own Kelly Connolly formerly Kelly Sloan, the very well regarded ABC News read it might become the leader of the Liberal Party there.
01:01:02
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's going off everywhere. There's they're not in good shape the Liberal Party anywhere. Look it's in Victoria. There may be a last reprieve for the state leader there, Brad Baton, because someone's just released a poll showing he's going well, they're all going in at about twenty minutes to you to go in and neck him. But someone's just posted a poll saying that actually he's ahead. So we'll get back in an hour on that one. As I know about how sort of imminent anything is in New South Wales because the Nationals leader theyre just resigned yesterday as well. So but look there, they're just in a dreadful state and they shouldn't be. I mean in Victoria, for example, you've got this most terrible government ever which has been in power for over ten years, and you know you've got this taxis sorry, this state riddled by crime, debt, and taxes, and the Liberal Party should be more than competitive there. So we'll wait and see what happens there. But my focus obviously this week's been the big the big dance over here where seasonally is sort of clinging on to grim death for her own leadership.
01:02:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously the net zero drama. They finally resolved that feel but then within seconds of it, yeah, well sort of, I mean, what sort of a resolution was it before we get the season Lee's lady.
01:02:20
Speaker 12: Well, there's still a lot of detail to be sorted out, but we'll get they'll get they'll get at that before the election. But I think the main thing is done now in principal of bandoned net zero and basically torn up everything else they are ever going to do on climate change. So but there's still a few sort of things to be worked out with the nationals. Actually how you are going to reduce emissions at all. That hasn't been promptly explained. But I don't think they're worried about detail at the moment. It's just about sending a message.
01:02:45
Speaker 4: So then that happened, and then immediately after that there was speculation that some of the moderates had flipped over to Andrew Hasty.
01:02:52
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was not quite right that report. What it is that the moderate liberals are so devastated, I think is in an overstatement of what's happened, because they just they just think, you know, it's you can't be all or nothing on climate change. You've got to be clever about it, right, because there's varying views across the country on need zero. You've got you know, the in the regions. You know, say you've got an MP like Tony passing down in Mount Gambia there you get rid of need zero and everyone down there.
01:03:20
Speaker 4: Love him for it.
01:03:21
Speaker 12: But then you've got liberalool. They haven't got any seats in the city anymore. But you know, if you still had the seat of Stut or whatever, it's probably why you don't have the seat of Sturt. So you've got to be clever, you've got to actually sort of be able to get a balance. And the moderates in the city seats that the half a dozen left just think, oh they're cooked, right, People like Tim Wilson, who called back a Teal seat at the last election in Victoria. And the whole point, David is if you've got to get in the government, you've got to win seats, right and this and the viewers that aren't going to win any more seats because of this, they'll hold the ones I've got, but they won't make any inroads into those thirty three metropolitan seats I've lost to the last two elections. So on that sort of Yeah, there's modern she's just sort of walking around shell shocked. How we suddenly went back to pre tony abbot on climate change in the space for two weeks because the nationals demanded you know, I think the speed of it, what happened, the unraveling, and a lot of them were saying, well, look, if Andrew Hasty's agenda, if we're going to have Andrew Hasty's agenda, let him run the party, you know, let him own it, and then if it blows up, good, we'll blow him up too. That was the sort of that was the sort of sentiment behind that report. It wasn't like Moderate's now see Andrew Hasty is the great savior that we're going to go with Paul and Hanson. Let Paul and Hanson run the party and see if it works. You know, if it does, and then we can sort of get back to something that may be more electable than if it does work. All good.
01:04:38
Speaker 3: One of the government's weak points and one of the points on which the Libs seem to be losing support.
01:04:42
Speaker 4: To one nation's on immigration.
01:04:44
Speaker 3: And I know you've written a really interesting piece this morning, Phil in the field about the potential revealing of an immigration policy with some concrete numbers in it from the coalition.
01:04:53
Speaker 12: Well, just sort of a little less. The concrete hasn't set yet.
01:04:56
Speaker 4: Well, but the potential for con great numbers.
01:05:01
Speaker 12: Again, and stick your fan for an in it, not yourself out. It's more like when Lee announced the backdown on Sunday on climate change, that they've done a deal of the nat she said, And in the next couple of weeks we'll have our migration policy out. Now, that was another policy that I'd been working on, wasn't meant to be released till next year. If you remember, Andrew Hasty stormed off the front bench in a big sook because he didn't have a chance to have an influence in it, and just into Nama Jin for price. Remember, she got pushed off the front bench because she made those comments about Indian migrants and wouldn't apologize for them. So again it's another issue that's been led by the right wing of the Liberal Party, by One Nation. We had our pole, our Pole financial Review, Red Bridge Pole came out yesterday showed that that One Nation is now the most trusted party to deal with immigration, more so than Labor or Liberal We had twenty seven percent compared to twenty and nineteen percent, and so yeah, the Liberals are now being speak by that. So it's another sort of rush job. They're going to bring forth a policy there isn't really anywhere half ready, but it's not easy. Just it's easy to say you're going to cut immigration, it's sort of harder to do it because there's so many categories. And you've got this thing with New Zealand. Will the key weis are pouring in.
01:06:11
Speaker 4: Here of the moment.
01:06:12
Speaker 12: There's no jobs over there, and we have a sort of a free free flow agreement with them. It just tends to be more one way. And so there's a bunch and you know, there's a bunch of people already here waiting for waiting for their permanent migration status and stuff like that. So once you sort of get into it, it's not easy to sort of cut immediately. But again it's a bit like the climate change thing. The detail can come later. They just need to send that signal because you know, they're just bleeding votes to one nation like you wouldn't believe, and lease leaderships and all sorts of trouble and you know, it's it's all, it's all. It's all a bit messy, to be honest.
01:06:43
Speaker 4: Does it sw to you through at the moment that the government is just being totally low off the hook on all sorts of fronts, Well, yeah, for sure.
01:06:50
Speaker 12: I mean that's what happens. You know, you get these sort of people ring up or emails. So why you're focusing on the government. I so because you can't ignore the circus when the big top's in town and you know, and that's what's happening at the moment. Yeah, Look, there's plenty, there's plenty for the government to be worried about. Inflation, energy prices, all those things that got people cranky last time haven't gone away. And the pole still shows the cost of livings unrivaled as the number one concern so yeah, the government's not been complacent about what's going on. They're watching it very closely and they know this can sort of get ahead of steam some of this stuff, so you know they're not sort of just sitting back laughing at it. But at the same time, it's better for them that happens than it doesn't. But you know, if and when they saw this out, there was plenty of time to focus back on the government before the election.
01:07:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, great stuff is always Phil Phil Coury, the national political editor of The finn Review. Just thinking about Phil's comments there about net zero and the moderate sort of tearing of hair about the fact that it's no more, you could sort of see the thinking behind Vincent Tazi's publicly awkward position yesterday where he was saying we remain a party that's net zero even though the rank and file Liberals in South Australia don't and the federal Liberal Party and coalition. Don't you think, why is he like added a shag on a rock. The fear would be that they could They're still going to hold traditionally conservative rural seats even if they support net zero because they're vote so big there labors. He's not going to win the river Land or something you know, or York's. So the argument is, well, okay, let's just say we still support net zero because if we come out now five months from the election, how is it going to go when we're drawknocking in the seat of Amy or Marialta. So do we get to the point where we go so hardline map suff it's all crap, It's all about power bills. It creates an easy sort of attack point for labor in seats where people have climate emergency stickers on the front of their neration home.
01:09:00
Speaker 3: Well, I think she made a pretty reasonable argument yesterday Vincentazia that it's going to happen anyway, based on South Australia is a different kettle of fish to the rest of the country. It's going to happen anyway, and it's not as though there are old stations that we can unmothball and put back online like the things. The decisions that have been taken in South Australia have been taken and they are permanent and what they have have put us on a path that's going to get there. So whether we have it as a policy or not, this kind of we're heading in this direction now, So actually that's a reasonable position to be able to put to people both in the country and in metropolitan Adelaide.
01:09:35
Speaker 4: The flip side argument, and it's one most forcefully within the Liberal Party though, is that they risk ending up sounding like they don't stand for anything. But there's no difference from them and labor. So where's the impetus for change?
01:09:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that there's other issues, you know. That's why you just need have a policy platform that's robust enough and three dimensional.
01:09:56
Speaker 4: Like if you tell you what though, the way he's going, Vincentazi might sue me. The vet Liberal leader in Australia, the old one, the wise head celebrating his fourteenth month in the job.
01:10:07
Speaker 2: David Penberthy and Will Gooding's five double a breakfast.
01:10:11
Speaker 27: In the criminal justice system, all defendants are innocent until proven guilty, either by confession, plea bargain or trial by jury. This is one of those trials.
01:10:24
Speaker 3: I'm putting a local government on trial this morning. They haven't had a great run, to be fair, the Holdfast Bay Council with the Jetti growed upgrade debarcle, the Mitcha mayor we spoke to the other day, having been went to Brazil at taxpayer's expense and being told that they're doing a wonderful job on climate change.
01:10:45
Speaker 4: Campbelltown sixty one million dollars for their new taj Mahal Campbelltown building the taj Mahal.
01:10:52
Speaker 3: We're asking you this morning, is it time to revisit the policy of council amalgamation. We have fewer councils. Yes or no. You could win yourself one hundred dollars sam Tas seafood voucher by calling in eight double two to three double o double oh. I spoke to someone yesterday that said, yep, councils are no good. But this is what you get.
01:11:12
Speaker 4: When people don't care about them, and people don't you don't vote on councils fault. How are we meant to know? You meant to stay up or not researching? You know the other thing, there's no transparency around it. At least when you vote in a state or federal election, you know which party people are in. That's right. You vote for all these councilors, you know Beryl Huntington Smith, and then you find out lay she's a member of hes Balah and you know you got no idea. Yeah, you've got no idea. Yeah, there is no transparency, that's too sure. Should they be amalgamated? Do we need fewer councils? Yes?
01:11:44
Speaker 1: Or no?
01:11:44
Speaker 4: Eight doable?
01:11:44
Speaker 3: Two three double o double. In the meantime, let's head to the next tier of government, up the state government for an update on the asbestos laden playsand that we did get an update late during the news last night. It was about six thirty I reckon seven years. We found out there where many more schools that had the sand will require cleaning. The Education Minister Blair boy joins us. Now, Minister, what is the latest, how many schools and what kind of disruption, if any, is that going to create?
01:12:13
Speaker 28: Yeah, so more than three hundred schools now, it's possible that figure grows again. You know, this stuff is so prevalent, not just in schools but in households as well. I was listening to your talk before about David's experience at office work seeing a line shells, and that's my experience too, and having visited one hundreds of schools over the last almost four years, certainly I've seen this kinetic sands very very often, so it's not surprising the number but of course it sets us a challenge in terms of being able to dispose of it all and where it's loose, having those contractors come in and do the deep clean. Currently only schools in South Australia that are closed are too special schools in the Catholic system. They made that decision because there was a bit more complex to move students away from the area in which it was loose so that deep clean could take place, so they decided to shut for a couple of days while that deep clean is done. We haven't needed to do that anywhere else to date. Is that a change is of course, will do the right thing and do that, but currently no disruption in terms of school closures other than those two special schools.
01:13:22
Speaker 4: I was talking Minister yesterday to my own two kids who are primary school age and they're upper primary now. They were saying that they've got it at their school. They're not that worried about it, but they said that they reckon it's like the KINDI level kids and the preps and also special needs kids who are more likely to use it. And we've had people too. This is where interested to know. If you've spoken to the minister for a disability on this too. We've had NDIS people contacting us this morning saying it's used a lot for young people and kids with sensory issues and so on. Is that a a right assessment that it's more likely very very young kids and kids with disabilities who have morel to use it.
01:14:09
Speaker 28: I think the way you describe it, yes, in those settings, there's no doubt about it is because it is a kind of sensory product, this kinetic sand.
01:14:16
Speaker 1: And I remember when I first.
01:14:17
Speaker 28: Saw it, it's quite a remarkable kind of thing. Setting aside the obvious question about how the hell this stuff managed to get into the country without anyone realizing it's full of asbestos. And I hope at some point, you know, we get around to a conversation nationally around how that happened. Your characterization is correct. The good thing is, I know we've been in our pains to say it's low risk. I heard an explanation this morning from a he's a molecular pharmacologist, doctor Ian Musgrave, but he said, unless you've got an industrial sand milling machine in your school, it's very unlike your children will be exposed to fibers. So that's the good news. But nonetheless I understand how people feel when you mentioned asbestos, and like you said, when it's very young kids or kids with disability who are using, we have to be very careful. So that's why we're following the safe work advice. You know, it's being bagged up, it's being disposed of, and where it's loose, we're having people actually who've got the specialist skills to clean it come in and do the deep claim.
01:15:12
Speaker 4: Mmmmm yeah, we'll stay on the story. Blair Boy, the Minister for Education, thank you for joining us.
01:15:17
Speaker 3: It's three minutes to way. Let's give O one hundreds with semtass seafoods. Now, we've got a jury that have convened andw have we got six durors in total casting their verdict with regard to counsel amalgamation.
01:15:30
Speaker 4: Is it time? During number one?
01:15:32
Speaker 12: Yes, it is.
01:15:33
Speaker 26: Time, Dave.
01:15:34
Speaker 8: That was an excellent interview with that lady, and more counsels should be a counter or how they spend ratepayers money. As a ratepayer, I'm sick of them wasting money. So let's join some councils together.
01:15:47
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you during the one During number two, good morning you're there. During number two. We can hear your indicators.
01:15:58
Speaker 25: Yeah, there you are, sorry about that.
01:16:01
Speaker 29: Listen. My view is yes, it's time to red late to have a council like the Brisbane City Council. Let's face it, the Brisbane City Council has a larger budget than all of the South Australian Government and it's time that it was done. End the story, and David, I'm waiting for you to interview Jane Lomac Smith and two about her wasting my rate player funds Joey overseas on George here, there and everywhere.
01:16:29
Speaker 4: Good you're number two, Thank you, you're number three. Good morning.
01:16:33
Speaker 20: Hi guys, I reckon downstids. Maybe start with because the real council for this day, what do you reckon?
01:16:38
Speaker 4: So you're you're a yes for amalgamations?
01:16:42
Speaker 25: Yes downstairs?
01:16:43
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, thank you. We've lost juring them before, so let's go to jour number five. Good morning, he's been amalgamated.
01:16:50
Speaker 30: Yes, definitely they need to amalga made. I'm from Tagsbahal Council area and why any body would build a performing art center that's gained a run at a continual loss is beyond me.
01:17:07
Speaker 4: So do you remember five, Thank you, remember six? Good morning.
01:17:11
Speaker 25: Definitely do something about them. David, your favorite council Campbelltown, and they are giving four hundred dollars vouchers to anybody who wants to buy an e bike.
01:17:23
Speaker 4: Well, that'll come in here anyway. That's nice, terrific an e bike, four hundred dollars, four.
01:17:29
Speaker 25: Hundred dollars vouchers if you want to buy an e bike?
01:17:31
Speaker 4: Is that an environmental thing? I guess, Oh.
01:17:34
Speaker 25: Want's to kick cars off the road so they don't repair the roads.
01:17:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, four hundred bucks magic money tree that they've got there tucked in mind. It's nice, it's nice.
01:17:46
Speaker 3: It's a nice transfer of wealth, isn't it Because the people that will never have a chance of affording an e bike aren't going to get there with four hundred bucks, so they subsidize those people who probably can't afford an e bike at some point in time.
01:17:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's excellent.
01:17:58
Speaker 3: That's a clean sweep, clean sweeps out of On the text line, there was a little bit of divergent view. Some people said, don't amalgamate, just delete. Others made the point that do we really want to be giving these same people moral authority, so a little bit of divergent view, but there was clearly consensus to make some sort of a change.
01:18:16
Speaker 4: Rob makes a good point. He says they should hold the next local government cop in downtown Juba in South Sedan and let's see how many people are committed in the environment. Then Breaking eight coming up next. You're gonna want to stick around with this one.
01:18:30
Speaker 2: David Penberthie and Will Gooding's five double a breakfast, Hey, but it's.
01:18:34
Speaker 3: After breaking at coming up in a moment, some veteran experience coming up on the program. The longest serving Fringe director outgoing Unfortunately, Heather Crow will be on to talk about her legacy at the Fringe and indeed her next job Carrick Hill, pretty nice place to to be working.
01:18:52
Speaker 4: Who are the longest serving impresarios in the history of theater? As she beaten Pt Barnhum, do you think we'll ask of that? Well, there you go, you'll know she was Brighten's up the room Header and then after thirty we're going to be speaking with the longest serving parliamentarian in South Australia, Tom Kurtz andtna's to the treasurer lots to discuss lots on the platter. You can add things to the agenda, of course, and in fact even call in if you'd luck and have a chat with him. Make double two three double double, or text in on the on the text lines before eight zero eight thirty ninety five, that would be handy. I haven't thought of any questions yet for the treasure, yep, so I could help. Well, never know where questions come from. They just sort of can't fall out of the sky. That's best not to ask, they just turn up. Well, we've brought you the story last week about the desperate attempts by the Stamford Grand, the most iconic hospitality business down at the Bay, to get some kind of relief from the Holdfast Bay Council for the economic impact it is suffering as a result of the Jetty Road upgrade. Well, since then, the whole Fast Bay Council made some statements through the media but also crucially some statements internally that were sort of casting doubt on the comments that had had been made in the first instance by the Stanford. Well, as we alluded to yesterday, we think that the Stanford has actually got the council completely on toast. Here we've had it confirmed that the Stanford is threatening to take legal action for what is effectively defamation against the Old Fast Bay Council for the Council having the temerity to suggest that when the story broke last week this was quote the first time council had heard from Stamford. Now, the problem the Council has got there is that there's documentary evidence showing that on no less than seven different occasions the Stamford emailed, wrote to or telephoned the Council seeking urgent help to address the economic hardship that its sustained. As this interminal project kicks on, we have the vice president of operations at Grand Hotels, Andrew Donodell, on the line for breaking it this morning. Andrew, good morning. This just seems to be compounding the problem. I mean, it's bad enough firstly that you wrote to the council and initially didn't get a reply at all. Then the reply that you finally got off the back of media attention was you're not getting any rent abatement. But then they have this sort of side of the mouth what I almost regard as a smear against your completely reputable business. But the Council has made a complete hashit.
01:21:36
Speaker 18: This, haven't they They really haven't. We just don't understand where the information is coming from. You reference some false information that was shared and a letter that we issued last week asking for a attraction and a formal apology, and that retraction was issued to the media. But even in that statement requesting the attraction, there was an inaccuracy shared there where the Council had mentioned that a meeting had been scheduled with Stanford Grant. No meeting had ever been scheduled. We had agreed to time that the Council had never followed through to acknowledge that.
01:22:10
Speaker 4: The other part of it that I think is extraordinary is that there was so there was a letter circulated among counselors and in their response to you so far Hoole fast Bay hasn't even acknowledged anything about this, but they circulated this letter saying this was the first time council had heard from Stamford. Now, as I said earlier, you actually contacted the council on October twenty eighth, and then again on November sixth, November seven, November ten, November eleven, November twelve, and you also made a phone call to them on November three.
01:22:45
Speaker 18: Yes, that's correct, and all of those were obviously to try and seek some kind of relief to schedule a meeting, but it took going to media for them to even listen to us and to acknowledge and to start replying. But they are paying.
01:23:00
Speaker 23: Now.
01:23:00
Speaker 1: We do have an open.
01:23:01
Speaker 18: Dialogue, which is great, but it shouldn't come to this. It shouldn't take going to the media for the Council to listen to repayers.
01:23:08
Speaker 4: Well, exactly, absolutely. And the other thing too, when you do have this meeting with the council, are you still going to attempt to get relief measures and compensation for the impact that you've sustained.
01:23:21
Speaker 18: Definitely, and not just for us. We're representing the community here. We'll be asking for compensation really for the Jedi Road businesses. Just yesterday another business went public thing that after thirty years have had to close their doors. I just wonder how many more small businesses will have to close before the counter acknowledges the impact and throws the lifeline.
01:23:41
Speaker 4: Yeah. More broadly, Andrew, have the businesses there been given any sort of hard finished date for this? Do you know how much longer it's going to go for?
01:23:52
Speaker 22: No?
01:23:52
Speaker 18: It keeps being extended. We get regular transforming Jetti road emails if you've had to subscribe to, where we get updates on new road closures and new timelines, and you know, we just have to follow those communications. Just on Thursday, we received one late in the afternoon saying that the main road leading to Stamford Grand was going to be closed for the two weeks. Now that's the only road where buses, coaches, large you know, food supplies can drop off deliveries to the hotel. So that didn't work for us. So we had to get in touch with the council.
01:24:26
Speaker 1: Which we did yesterday.
01:24:29
Speaker 18: And plead for them to change their mind on that or to find an alternative.
01:24:38
Speaker 4: How you make you got your chef trying to make the eggs Florentine has to walk two blocks to pick up the eggs and the spinach for the holandaise source and so forth.
01:24:48
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
01:24:53
Speaker 4: That none of them have ever run a business, don't you Well.
01:24:56
Speaker 18: I just don't think they've understood the impact that these decisions have on the businesses. Understand that work needs to be done, but speak to us find out what times would be the least impactful in our business. We'll come to the table. We understand that there's there's a gain here, there's a greater gainst the community, but you need to consult the community.
01:25:17
Speaker 4: I think, finally to Andrew that the fact that it's got to the point where you've had to take the dramatic option of threatening them with legal action if they don't address the falsehoods that they've peddled externally and internally, shows perhaps they're more worried about the way this is being perceived publicly than they are about dealing with the concerns of the businesses still trying to stay a flight on the street.
01:25:44
Speaker 18: I think you're right there, and going back to the fact that they only replied once we went to media, prove that. And I would request all small businesses to start speaking up and sharing their stories because the more we talk about this, the more likely it is that the council will take action.
01:26:00
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely good on you, Andrew. Andrew Donodell, the vice president of Operations at Grand Hotels. Glenelg was our happy places kids growing up. You know, our family restaurant was always the barbecue in I used to go with Uncle Bill Glenell Games down at the Bay. The side shows were still going in the seventies. I used to love going down there on a Saturday night with Mum and Dad. When I was older, there was a place that mates and I used to go through. The idea that anyone in the media would come in thinking let's just gleefully bag one of the most beloved places in the entire state. Is a patent nonsense because I know there's a view at the Council lo this is doing so much damage.
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Speaker 3: To the perception of what it's doing. Damages people turn up and see it. Yeah, people were trying to run a business and live it.
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Speaker 4: But we've got a standing invitation. Anytime the Mayor of hold Fast Bay wants to come on, she's more than welcome to and any business in Glenelg thinks that this is being handled well. Eight double two through double double five talk Director of the producers. We will put you to air. But when we are getting endless calls on the record and off the record from a vast number of businesses, like from the shoe shop to the the Yearos people, to the Loud Cow, to the Stanford to the Monte Zoomers like this just goes on and on and on. So if the council's got this idea that oh this is this is really damaging us, well we are all is. If anyone wants to come on and say this is great, we love it, we'll put you to air. We just haven't been able to find any of those people. Well, the thing, you know, when this finishes, the day that this should ever finish, and if there's still any businesses there when it does finish, we will happily go down there and cheer from the rooftops. Hooray for Jetti Road. Get everyone in South Australia to go to Glenelg. But at the moment there's nothing to celebrate because no one, no one. He's telling us that this has been done. The point is the ends don't justify the means. There are ways to do stage projects and do things that minimize disruption. This seems to be the opposite of that. And the giant, grand sized canary in the coal mine is this frankly flabbergasting situation where you've got a giant hotel chain going to war with a local suburban council. I struggle to think of that ever happening, but they might, they might have a stoush about building a hotel, but the idea that an established business, arguably the most important and biggest down there is having an open fight with the council is just the greatest sign to everyone of how badly this is being managed. How can they can to be so stupid? It's to be saying stampard, don't even know if they approached us the first time we've heard from them, apart from the other seven. It's just an appalling way to treat such an important client, isn't it.
01:28:58
Speaker 3: Well, maybe if you can't managed correspondence, you might struggle to manage major projects.
01:29:03
Speaker 2: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast twenty.
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Speaker 4: Three minutes after right.
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Speaker 3: Well, for as long as we've been doing this, this gig each and every year, we've had the pleasure during the lead up to the Adelaide Fringe and immediately thereafter speaking with the fringe director, Heather Kroll, Well, something very different is going to happen next year. We'll be chatting with a different fringe director because Heather has announced that she is stepping down to take over a role at the magnificent Carrick Hill morning to hear Heather Krohle, Congratulations on your remarkable eleven year stint as the Fringe director.
01:29:33
Speaker 31: Thank you so much. It's been an incredible decade. Amazing.
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Speaker 4: It must be some sort of record.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 31: I think the previous directors may have been four or five years maybe, Yeah, And so I think a lot of it.
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Speaker 32: In the middle of it, we had the pandemic. If COVID hadn't come, you know, I may have done a five year stint, but then it was time to deal with COVID, and so that then that took over two or three years of how how we adapt and change the way we deliver the festival.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, when you think back to the COVID days, and you were right in the thick of it, because when I broke in, there was it wasn't the Friday night street party, and you had health people running around going, oh.
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Speaker 24: I know.
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Speaker 31: We were right in the middle.
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Speaker 4: And I mean, because it's the least COVID friendly thing you could mentione, isn't it.
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Speaker 32: Well, I think people everywhere, everywhere, and so I think we you know, negotiated it really well with being allowed.
01:30:32
Speaker 31: To have limited people in the venue.
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Speaker 32: So I think it was like every third seat or every second seat depending on what day and would have people would have to wouldn't be able to sit too close to each other. But there were still tens of thousands of people out and about.
01:30:46
Speaker 4: So what's the thing that that's changed the most about the Fringe in that eleven years that you were in charge.
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Speaker 32: I think, just well, there's lots of change, but one of the things I'm so proud of is that the audience demographic just changed so much. Like it's now every no matter how old you are, you might be ten, you might be seventy. Every decade of age groups is represented. You go to the Fringe, there's three or four generations of families that are going out. And I just love that that everybody now sees Fringes there's something for them.
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Speaker 4: The profile of the Fringegoer during two day teams at fourteen.
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Speaker 32: I think it was, you know, a little bit more of a you know in between a sort of twenty to thirty, you know, that sort of It was seen as a bit of a young twenties and thirties year old festival. But working with so many artists and venues to bring back a lot of fringegoers that may have you know, gone off and had kids and not come back, and so we brought back lots of people who loved Fringe when they were younger. We also really expanded the kids program. There's so much more for kids now, so you really see grandparents and parents bringing kids along. And the other thing that we've worked really hard on is getting Fringe in the suburbs and the regions. So now Fringe is just everywhere, and that's so I guess we've just wanted to be more inclusive, more accessible. Last year, I think our surveys showed that one in every two people in South Australia went to a Fringe show.
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Speaker 31: So it was amazing.
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Speaker 32: You know, we just feel that the you know, we're so grateful to the audiences. They're so brilliant. They come out every year, don't know where they are a lot of the time, and they all just pour out. And then the other thing that's grown a lot is the tourists. And the tourists were about around about ten thousand tourists were coming when I first arrived. They were staying on average about one night, so maybe come on the weekend or something and last year we had about sixty thousand tourists staying an average of six or seven nights. So that is you know, massive, massive growth in terms of people from outside the state and outside the country coming in and spending their money here and going to see shows.
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Speaker 4: So Carrick Hill, this is so exciting and we're just chatting off air. I don't think I reckon. The last time I went there was for a wedding in the nineteen nineties. When did you last go to carric Hill? Well, it's a great question. I'm not sure. It's a beautiful stuffs avenue, isn't it.
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Speaker 32: For a lot of people, it's flying under the radar, I think, and I've the news, you know, as soon as the news came out that I was going to Carrot Hill, I did get a lot of phone calls from people saying exactly what you've just said. I haven't been there for years, and I think it's it's just time to really bring the profile up and remind everyone that we've got this amazing treasure. It's a real cultural treasure, not just for South Australia but for the whole nation.
01:33:48
Speaker 4: It's a humble now for the arts, it's used for classical music recitals, isn't it.
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Speaker 32: I think there's a you know, obviously A partners with some festivals during the year and does some classical music show or different events, but they're not I think we've there's real opportunity to take that up to be a lot more year round and do a lot more during partnering with things like well with Fringe, with Festival, with Cabaret Festival, everyone, and getting more audiences in there and offering experiences that might include more lights and projections and telling the story of Carrick Hill but in a really modern way.
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Speaker 4: Better make sure we don't get people of carric Hill against concert noise.
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Speaker 31: For me, oh wow, we do lots of daytime stuff to begin with.
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Speaker 4: Funny feeling our parts will cross a great again here because there'll be carry Hill events and so of course we didn't.
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Speaker 31: Talk to you about, but you'd be live from Carrick Hill.
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Speaker 3: That sounds fun, Breakfast. It's had a lot of fun talking to you over the journey though we've done a job with the Fringe. I think everything you've said about the democratization of and the family friendly nature of it you can see when you turn up at the venues at the moment. It's it's a wonderful legacy, hard act to follow for someone. Good luck in your next adventure and we'll chat with you sometime in the future.
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Speaker 31: Thanks for always having me on. I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: I think you turned it from an event that was an eight nine to one event into one that's also a thirty ninety five event, and that's a good thing.
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Speaker 31: Thank you and you helped me. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 4: We're going to take break five double A news is coming up The Treasurer, Tom Kurtzer turnus next David.
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Speaker 2: Penberthy and Will Goodings five double A Breakfast twenty.
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Speaker 4: Two minutes the night the Treasure of South Australia.
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Speaker 3: Tom turnis in the five double A Breakfast studio with us, as he is every couple of weeks on a Tuesday morning, giving you the opportunity to ask questions. Some good ones coming through on the text on. We'll get to some of those. You can call in as well. An eight double two three double O double treasure. Good morning to you morning.
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Speaker 4: Fellas So Treasurer. Can I ask you a question at the start? That's timely because we've spent a lot of time in the last past couple of days talking about local government councils and obviously in your former guy as Transport minister, that sort of buttered up against the Jetti road project because the roads that cross the tram line are all being fixed up at the same time, which is added to the dramas. Do you think that there's an argument for the state government to look at how many councils we have and also should there be more oversight over their expenditure of public money because there's only a finite amount of money, be it from rate payers, state tax payers. You know, other governments will tried in the past, ken it did in Victoria, tried to try to amalgamate the councils. Yeah, look, it's a quagmire.
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Speaker 23: The moment you get into the amalgamation argument, you lose focus of why you want the amalgamation and the argument becomes solely about forcing residents to join with other councils. I think if you stay focused, laser focused on financial management and good planning, you get better outcomes. The moment the discussion becomes about something else, the councils will use that as a distraction to change the topic and all of a sudden, the mayor who's under fire for doing an unstaged, really unconsidered upgrade of gen Road that's killing businesses all of a sudden turns into we're not part of West Beach. Don't let don't let West Turrens Council take over a whole fast Bay. Well, don't let you know, Oko Paringa take over a whole fast Bay, and you lose. You lose the argument. I think if it's led by residents, that's different. But if government turns up and starts saying, all of a sudden, the whole Fast Bay is joining West Tyron's Council for greater efficiencies or joining Marion Council, the debate will be lost about why you want the amalgamation and it'll just become a terrible quagmire and fight about local.
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Speaker 4: Communities in a broader sense, Dave, when it comes to the economics of it all. And I can remember when you were appointed as Treasurer a few months ago. I interviewed you for a piece for The Australian and you said that you regarded Peter mallenous because his government as a pro business government. When you see those businesses when you hear the stamp coming on our show, when you'd hear long standing restauranteurs saying people can't even park near our restaurant as a state government, do you ever think how should we sit by and watch this without intervening? Is there any way you could intervene?
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Speaker 23: I drive past Jenni Road every week to have a look. Every Sunday, I go and have a look. You might not notice, Dave, but my parents had a chicken shop.
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Speaker 4: On Jedti Road. Was that where the family chicken shop was?
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Speaker 20: It was?
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Speaker 23: Yes, it was next to the Haigs excuse me them on Jedi Road and I often go by and have a look because I grew up there basically on Jeddi Road and seeing what's happening, it's heartbreaking. I mean I eventually found a car park and I walked as far as I couldn't had a look and there was no one around, and it was heartbreaking. And I went and had a coff with my dad afterwards. He's ninety years old, and I said, I just went to Jedi Road and had a look and there's no one there. And I just told the story to Will about Brian Natley, who was the mayor when we had our chicken shop down there, and he would come past and expect all the local owners, and we had like a bitchman footpath at the front, and my day used to say to him, you're never going to fix that au He said, no, no way. If I have to fix that bitchman footpath, I have to close your shop for least ten days. So it was you know, sweat the asset hard. We've got the beach, make it look good. But the most important thing about Jety Road is the businesses. That's what makes it unique. It's not the road, it's the people there. Now, the question is when this work is finished, who's going to be left? Who will be there? And my fear is the people that they will trying to invest in won't survive.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, yesterday had an interview with the author of some analysis by the Climate Energy Finance Group with regard to the Wirelessteel Works and the potential for Blue Scope to take over, and the argument they made was that over the course of the next decade there would be an extra two billion dollars worth of expenditure that would have to be paid for by governments, either state or federal to do two things, subsidize gas supply from Santos and build a one hundred and sixty k pipeline to transport gas too. Wiler making the point that this is going to be expensive business, and I think what came out in that argument actually was they wanted us to spend even more money to make it a greener solution, but could just get Firstly, is it going to cost us two extra billion dollars to get this blue scope bit over the line over the course of a decade, And secondly, is there a greener and better way to be doing it?
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Speaker 23: Well, I mean the only way to remove the oxides from the iron oxide is with either with hydrogen, methane or metallogical coal. So currently in the blastpheros now we use molergical coal, which for every ton of iron we produce producers two tons of carbon oxide. When you use natural gas, for every ton of iron you produce, you make six hundred kilos of carbon dioxocides and dramatic reduction. And when you use hydrogen the byproducts water vapor. There was no electrical solution to beneficiating iron oxides to iron was just electricity. You need to have a reductant you need to actually remove the oxides, which is why it produces carbon dioxides. It's a basic chemical formula. So people here don't understand what we're attempting to do in Wyler. The reason why oler is so important is I'm not just interested in an electric art furnace. To make iron into steel. We've got to make iron out of our iron ore. We've got to mind iin the iron ore out of the ground and beneficiate it to iron, and then export that iron and make steel here. And that process requires at the very least gas. And anyone who thinks you can just electrify this whole thing misunderstands it. This is not a question of ideology, it's a question of chemistry. So we do need gas, and we are going to need gas, and it is going to be expensive. But we've already got basically a two billion dollar assistance package in place. We would expect to have a buyers Wyla. They'll get a port unincumbered port, they'll get the best magnetype resources anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere. They'll get an investment in a brand new direct iin reduction facility and electric arc firness from the fatual and state governments and if they are going to need more gas, which they will will assist, but we would expect them more. So they've got to pay for the gas, which will underwrite any new pipelines that are being built and any new upgrades to existing infrastructure.
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Speaker 3: So just to be clear on that, then they so you're asserting they're wrong about alternatives, But what about the costing one point seven to two billion dollars over the course of ten years. How much of that is accounted for and what's been already apportioned to Whaler, and how much of that would be new expenditure.
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Speaker 23: So what we've said is we've got two big dollars on the table basically for whoever buys Wyala. Now you know, within those we want to see people who are buying it, what are their plans. You will need to upgrade the latter with the gase on port period across to Waler, which carries gas. They need to have extra compression, and you might need to build a new one alongside just to get more gas to Wiler because Walo is gas constrained. Then you'll have to build a dri plant and electric arc furnace and upgrade the rolling mill. Of that two billion that's there, we would expect someone to put private capital in it as well, so they'll make their judgments about where to allocate that capital in agreement with us.
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Speaker 4: Sure, but you're not expecting to have to spend more than the two billion dollars that's already a portion of the project.
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Speaker 23: No, But I am expecting. I mean, I have got now seventeen and a half million dollar grant program out there to try and get more gas out the ground, So I am looking at how we can get more gas out. South Australia is a gas rich state, and what is causing electricity prices to be high here than they should be is the cost of gas. Fire turbines, firm our renewables because when they turn on during the peak, they are expensive because the gas is expensive. If you've got more gas, that means gas is cheap. If gas is cheap, electricity is cheap. And that's what we're attempting to do with our plan.
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Speaker 4: So that the number might be right. Then if it just if it comes out of the grant program, it's still taxpayers incentivised.
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Speaker 23: But I mean a dare I plant and itself is potentially up to two billion dollars an electric art furness on its own with all the associated infrastructure is and we're between two hundred and fifteen million to a billion dollars. So whoever buys this, the two billion dollars is not enough for the entire recapitalization. They're going to put their own money in as well. But just to give you your listeners a scope of the size of the value here, mister Gupta pulled out seven and a half billion dollars worth of iron ore.
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Speaker 4: In seven years and set on the money over seas.
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Speaker 23: The money overseas he pulled out five and a half billion.
01:44:54
Speaker 4: Dollars is still so service his debts. Yeah, so, I mean there is a lot of money the way.
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Speaker 23: And if Gupta we had the right plan, if he had invested back in while at all those profits, we wouldn't be here talking about Wilder today. But instead he was trying to buy, you know, something off the back of a truck in Poland and the Czech Republic and trying to build up still assets in Europe.
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Speaker 4: Just before we let you go, Treasurer. The Order General raised a bit of an eyebrow the other day about the projected cost of the Women's and Children's Hospital. There's a mid year economic review out. Is it next month?
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Speaker 23: It'll be before Christmas? Yeah, do you think the expected cost of the hospital will change? Look, we've always said that escalation is a problem for us. I mean, one of the things that we're battling is the North South Corridor is basically this massive vacuum cleaner sucking up all the labor or the concrete, or the steel, or or the cost as pushing costs up for everyone. And I am concerned about the impact act of both of those projects going side by side, but I am relatively comfortable with the process. We've got to make sure we can keep the prices relatively close to where we want them budgeted for now. Can I guarantee that there won't be an escalation in costs? I think we've already publicly said no. It's be very, very difficult because of escalation. But we are working within a budget. We want to keep it within that budget.
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Speaker 4: Because that figure is about two years old now, isn't it It is? Yeah? Three point two three point two yeah, m So it's a.
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Speaker 23: Lot of money, three point two billion dollars. I mean, the look at your good hospital. Yeah, yeah, what did the RAH cost two point seven? Yeah, actually cost it costs one point seven billion dollars to build, but we booked it up as two point seven billion dollars with our interest costs and other costs that go with it as well.
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Speaker 4: Hmmm, we'll catch up again seeing treasure of Tom Keithsontanius. Thank you for coming in.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, David Penberthy and Will Gooding's five double a breakfast seven minutes to night.
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Speaker 3: Let's look at the fuel situation. Better to be a member with RAA road service. We'll have a look at some of the cheap spots around town.
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Speaker 4: The unlettered e.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, you got clearviews, pretty good dollar fifty eight point nine. In fact, that's the best we've got. The mobile Hampstead Gardens dollar fifty nine point five. The BP ex Convenience Woodville North is at a dollar fifty nine point nine.
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Speaker 4: Diesel is a.
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Speaker 3: Back up over a dollar seventy everywhere. The mobile Hampstead Gardens the best pick of the bunch at a dollar seventy one point five.
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Speaker 4: Will the last Liberal leaders standing please turn out the lights and news just to hand the Victorian Liberal leader who's lasted about as long as poor old Liz trust the Iceberg letters did. Brad Batton, there's a name that could be the tenth question on who wants to be a millionaire? Who led the Victorian Liberals for several months in twenty twenty five. He has been given the bum's rush, ousted in a spill this morning and replaced by the Shadow Treasurer who's become the first female leader of the Victorian Liberal Party, the Member for Q, Jess Wilson. Meanwhile, up the road in Sydney, the Liberal Party room is meeting today and there are growing roomors that Adelaide's own Kelly Sloan, the former TV journalist, very well regarded lovely person Kelly from Memory, is the member for vor Clues. I think vor Clues has got the highest average house price in Australia. It's where Malcolm Turnle's got his modest digs. Kelly Slang might knock off Mark Speakman as the Liberal leader there. As we said, Vincentazi is an absolutely oasis of stability Statesman the South Australia Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: So it's fascinating. There's a freshwater poll that the Herald Son have written about this boarding. Regarding the Victorian Liberal Party situation, their primary vote rose to three points thirty seven percent. Since the last election, Labor has dropped seven to thirty The two party preferred they have at fifty one forty nine, which on MI understanding isn't actually high enough to win based on the pendulum in Victoria, but still does represent a statistical lead at a time when the Victoria Liberal Parties are pretty unpopular around the country. I wonder if Brad Baton con count himself as a bit unlucky.
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Speaker 4: Well. I think part of the problem he had was that tactically he sort of accidentally got out flanked dramatically by jacintre Alla when she suddenly woke up the other day and went, crike. This crime's fan getting serious because he'd been standing there for a year, going crime crime, crime, crime, crime, bail, bail, bail or bai l bail, machete attacks, knife attacks, look at what's happened at the broad Meadow supermarket. The ALP looked totally disconnected, totally indifferent and completely sort of woke on the whole crime issue. Suddenly Alan's advocating what would be the toughest some of the toughest juvenile offender laws in Australia, purely out of desperation to save a political hide. So suddenly Brad Batton's been standing there going, oh yeah, I agree with her, and I guess the other thing is too. Frankly, an empty chair would be getting polling fifty one forty nine against the Allen government and Victoria at the moment, given the state of the economy and Victoria the crime situation, taxation, there's not a whole lot of wins that the government could point to. I had a really good long chat with an old maide of mine at that party in Sydney on Friday night on Thursday night, my mate's retirement party. This bloke worked in the Adelaide media for a long time, in the State Bank days, and he was talking about how at the time he actually didn't like living in Adelaide because it just felt like Dodge City. It felt like all the young people were leaving, there was no investment. If there was a crane anywhere on the skyline, they'd put it on the front page of the Tisers saying, you know, vision of hope, you know, twenty jobs created. He said it was just desperate he's been living in Melbourne for the last thirty odd years. And he said to me, you know, I came to Adelaide about a month ago and I was just walking around the CBD and went and had lunch with some friends in Rundle Street and went to a couple of other bars down Peel Street and went to the wineries. And he said, Adelaide is so much nice and so much more livable than Melbourne. He said, it's like a complete switch. He said, the certain parts of Melbourne, like if you're hanging around you know, Colum Street, there's all the flash sort of versace stores and everything. You think nothing's changed. He said, you walk a few streets in any direction and it just looks dirty, doesn't feel safe.
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Speaker 3: And he's a proud Melbourne in now. I know it's we're far past the time we cheer for hot house prices going up. But I was reading as we were talking earlier about the latest cotality figures and it tells a bit of that story about Melbourne's managed to suppress house price growth in part because of public policy that's seen townhouses and apartments be built. That said, though, have a listen to where it sits amongst the major cities in terms of growth, the fastest growing. This is just the month for the date for November. By the way, this is a Australia at the moment's crazy one point two percent house price have gone up in Perth. That's eighteen days. Brisbane zero point nine percent, Adelaide zero point eight percent, Sydney the monthly raider zero point eight percent, Melbourne zero point two quarter of the pace that Adelaide properties are gaining at the moment in a city of six million people.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, in Australia, that's exactly right. Well at a time, Hey we didn't give away oh yeah, as one and the one hundred dollars SAM Test voucher. Best see if you're going to get anywhere in Australia, we'll other people at sam Test. During number five, you're like you Winny, congratulations See during number five stick around. Graham Goodings is on the way.
01:52:28
Speaker 3: Enjoy your Tuesday and we'll be back tomorrow morning from six o'clock.
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Speaker 4: Listeners. Are talking to our boys last night. They've got the sand at their school. It's been found in I think closed containers. They said they haven't played with it. It's interesting talking to them about it. They're very laid back. Kids process things like this. They often process them by doing the opposite of what adults do. What they want to play with it, but they don't. People are taught to sugarcoat things. It's like the verb to pass. You know. Kids don't say, oh, when did your father pass? They say when did he die? You know, there's certain you know, euphemisms. Euphemisms are taught. They're not innate. And I'm talking to Sam, I said, what have you heard about it? And he goes, well, they can kill you. Well, yes, that's kind of the concern that he's it. But he said he thinks that he's ever played with it, and Charlie's never played with it. But he reckons that the kids most likely to play with it are pre school and also special needs kids like sensory things like that, and that that is really, you know, extremely worrying. Can you think back, people more likely to ingest it, lick it. But I don't know, like it's one of those tail I made. You know, every school in essay has the killer of sbestos. Well let's just wait and see, because it doesn't sound like the sort of mesothelioma form.
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Speaker 3: Of Apparently the way which the state gument described it yesterday and needs to be ground down to a fine powder and then inhaled essentially, so in the form it is, it's okay. And you think, well, it's said it's already a fine powder, but would need to be compacted in a way that would be almost deliberate.
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Speaker 4: That's it.
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Speaker 3: There was a interesting juxtaposition between the warning of it that's not that dangerous. Did you see any of the people that removed it. Oh yeah, they looked like they were extracting et from that house. There was the tubing, dusted off, an outbreak exactly. Hey, what do you recall? Please disperse people, nothing to see? Yeah, yeah, did you just put.
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Speaker 4: My giant yellow tracksuit and glass helmet before I go into the local primary school?
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Speaker 3: Any if you think now to being a kid, is anything you played with or anything you've played can just banned for these days by today's standards, is too dangerous? What did you used to do or play with as a child that's now banned and considered too dangerous? We'd love to hear from you. Eight double two to three double A double A.
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Speaker 4: I should be precluded from answering this question on the basis that my father was a biochemist, and he had access to lots of chemicals. Well, that's that's not normal too. Also, we had a thing called an electric shock machine. What two copper handles attached by a bakel like cable to a crank handle with a voltage controller on it. And don't ask me why. Don't ask me why, But we had one of them. I actually think they were used in the nineteenth century. Well, look, electroshock therapy two just stop people who were suffering from what were known as the hysterics. My grandfather owned it. It ended up in our back shed and I remember finding it when I was young and I said to Dad, what's this? And he said, on these two copper rods.
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Speaker 3: And not any sense into you gave me a luxury shot Ben and Clarences Garden. That's what's something you grew up playing with or something you played that's either a legal or friend upon.
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Speaker 5: Now, okay, guys, I actually had a spud gun rock and I bought it in Central My dad actually bought it the Central markets when I was young, And yeah, I had that, And yeah, anymore would.
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Speaker 4: You did you use it for a target or were you terrorizing Logal wildlife. What was there?
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Speaker 5: I had a little sister, unfortunately the brun of it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's spud guns.
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Speaker 3: She would have grown up tough to sister this for sure. Get on your ben. Thank you, Sally. The ill Crest, Good morning.
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Speaker 6: Good morning. How are you?
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Speaker 4: We're good stay What did you grow up with?
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Speaker 6: I don't even know what it was cool? But it was like a big platform that every park had them, and it had the odd rail and you'd spin it really fast. It was like almost like a big merry go round, but it was just like a round disc.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah about You don't see them anymore at all.
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Speaker 6: Kids that would go flying off her.
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Speaker 4: We're do an ankle because the circle would spine injuries.
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Speaker 6: But you don't see them anymore. They're unsafe.
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Speaker 3: That's a good one, Sally, because that's just so public and so obvious.
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Speaker 4: A lot of people saying fire crackers, firecracker muscle and the locklyes.
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Speaker 3: Well you look at I you look look at modern trampoline design. I was around someone's house recently. I hadn't seen a trampoline in a lot of years. I know you've got one of your place that you've been trying to get rid of. But it looks like it was designed by this by NASA, and it's got the sides to capture now.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's entirely safe. I think it's I mean probably because of the ninety seven He's all the kids. You sort of weren't concentrating and ended up landing on a fence.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the springs. The side every pinched by the springs at one point or the other.
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Speaker 4: Our best way to break your leg trampolinings. There's no danger whatsoever in But I was just a basic at the level of editing.
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Speaker 3: Before it was this, you know, suspended by tort springs, bit of fabric and that was it.
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Speaker 4: Speaking of electro shock therapy too, there are there are people institutionalized as a result of trying to put trampolines together on Christmas Eve and having nervous breakdown, never recovering mentally. I would rather come around your place and get the shock therapy than put together a trampoline.
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Speaker 3: That's the only time I used air Tasker. Yeah, people have been vouching for air task to get jobs done.
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Speaker 4: Retired tradings. It's like there Heaven, name your price, Please put this damn trampoline together. It's Christmas Eve had seven offers within six minutes. Crazy.
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Speaker 3: We've got tickets to give away to Music of the Night, a tribute to Andrew Lloyd Webber and the West End Musicals at Her Majesty's Theater Sunday, November thirty.
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Speaker 4: That's only it's less than two weeks away. You get tickets and ticket deck.
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Speaker 3: Or you can give us a call now and nominate the thing that is probably banned or maybe definitely banned that you've played within your childhood eight double two to three double double o textas on the text line Jedifore eight zero eight thirteen ninety five.
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Speaker 4: Mark from Power Hills has got some great memories of the old Monash Playground. Now, that was the place that Ock Health and Safety forgot. I remember going there as a kid. I remember hot it was a forty degree day and went down one of those solid steel slides and thought that I was going to end up the burns unit. Unbelievable. Another one hears sling shots and bolt bombs. Bolt bombs. Match bombs are a big thing around the neck of the woods where can cut the flint off the side sticking inside the match box up against the heads. Yeah, then that's a good word. Gaffer tape. Did you make them?
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Speaker 3: No, but smoke made smoke bombs? The old ping pong ball inside ol foil, the ind light on fire. Yeah yeah, nothing good came of that. Hey, it's sixteen after six. We might take some all calls on this at a moment give away that Andrew Lloyd Webber Experience Music of the Night, A tribute that's playing at Her Majesty's on Sunday, the thirtieth of No.
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Speaker 2: Member David Peenberbie and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast.
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Speaker 3: Twenty after six. Serious story that's been the genesis. A bit of a fun talker to get a started. This morning, we're reflecting on the things that you used to play with or play growing up that have now been banned, outlawed, or maybe just frowned upon. A lot of slingshots coming through only on the text line Peter and hill Bank good morning.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning, gentlemen. I used to muck around with make sparkler bombs.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 7: You'd put the two cooke caps together and you drill a hole through the top. You'd put the sparkler in and you'd light up the sparkler and run back and wait till it hits the bottom and form obviously went.
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Speaker 4: That's a good one. Good.
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Speaker 7: I was also going to say regarding those spinny things that were talked about at the playgrounds. They do still have those a few playgrounds, but they just made a lot safer and they but with a lot more bars and stuff on them, and they don't go as fars because they've got like an almost like a weighted gear in the center which won't allow it to go really quickly.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, taking a bit of the fun out of it. Good good, yeah, yeah, good quick. Thank you mate, on you play. Let's go to and Sam, good morning, Good morning guys.
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Speaker 8: Well we were kids, right, We used to play with a lot of guns, that slug guns twenty two. I remember one day we went down to the local church, Queen of Angels Church, Dave, you probably know where it is, and we went there to play in the park and there was my local priest choosing the birds with his gun on the steeple.
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Speaker 4: Control. It sounds like a Martin school film. I grew up on the mean streets of How good that, Thank you sir. That was excellent. All right, let's let's talk about the move.
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Speaker 3: This feels odd because I think usually when we talk about the start of cherry season, it's warm. But it's the eighteenth of November, and what are we looking at outside at the moment. It's just for the sake of coloring fourteen point seven, it feels like thirteen point eight. It's going to be drizzly again today, like it has been the last little while. But it is the official start of cherry picking season. Grant Pigot, the CEO of Fruit Producer's Essay, joins us on five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 4: Grant, good morning to.
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Speaker 1: You, gentlemen. How are you.
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Speaker 4: What's the weather meant for the season, Grant.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's going to warm up. The weather you're orgomatic has been actually pretty cold, as you know, and the late spring has been un seasonably cold, and we actually do need some sun to ride on at the cherries.
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Speaker 4: Well, Christmas is what seven weeks away? Grant? Is there going to be enough sun between now and then? They have them table ready for the December twenty five?
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Speaker 1: Look, you think so. But what it might do is I think the real head of the cherry season, in particular in Adelaide Hills will be sort of mid December as opposed to the start of December. The crops seem to be sort of seven to ten days later than where they normally are. So whereas like you say, we're normally talking late November to kick the cherry season off in a big way, and the Adelaide Hills we're probably in reality looking for really to kick in. You can get cherries. There's cherries in the shops as Riverland cherryes at the moment that you can buy, but the Adelaide Hills will probably be sort of mid December.
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Speaker 4: Of them the start are there different species because there's some that are yellower, aren't they and there's some that are a lot of different.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of different varieties. I haven't been in this job for that long, but in actual fact, they're not that easy unless you are kind of to tell them apart. Most of them turn out to be sort of round, juicy and red. So certainly the bulk of the ones grown grown here do look actually pretty similar. They are different in generally what point of the season they ripen. The growers put different varieties in their orchards so that what they can do is have a spread of cherries arriving at different times as opposed to all arriving soon on the fifteenth decemb you're going to pick the lot.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so grant a late start presumably means a late finish too. It's not you can get shorter. It just starts later and finishes later.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it does. What it'll mean is particularly for a bit your own experience that period after Christmas and into early Chane where you're looking for stuff to do with the with the kids on school holidays. There'll be a lot more opportunities to pick your own pushing into January than last year. It was actually the early season and it sort of wound up in and around Christmas. But this year there'll be it'll be a cherry is often seen as a fruit for Christmas. It's this year it's very much a fruit for the summer.
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Speaker 4: And just finally grant for a lot of our lessons. Want to be the most important question, how there looking price wise this year? There been any significant pressure parts on pricing or any fluctuations.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think I think what will happen again is they'll they'll start start late that there'll be quite a lot of cherries at the market for really that peak time before Christmas. So I think price will price will be okay. Cherries are are a luxury item that they generally they are very much worth the price you pay for them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, good on your grant grant pick of their fruit. Producers say so, I think it's become a luxury item. And after the life of me, it can't work out why, what has had what has happened to the growing of these little vegetables that are delicious French beans, green beans? Oh really, it's so expensive now, he seemed for like fifteen twenty dollars achilow. Well, they used to be like nine dollars achilo a couple of years ago, when flash hasn't quite got a one hundred percent No, but it must have been getting from Argentina before your man Mille got into flation down to three point five.
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Speaker 3: Things are a little more rocky recently with all Harve, he's got some work to do. Twenty six after six, let's add to Blake View. Dave's on the line, Dave, what's the thing that you grew up playing or playing with that's been banned?
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Speaker 10: Well, we were coerced into it. The uncle was just started his PMG training and he bought him for these wall mamo of coins. He stuck one in the blacksmithshell, the milk and shed, the shear and shed, and the big dive, and he needed somebody volunteers to see if they work. So Ma and me two brothers were staying on there, hanging onto each.
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Speaker 1: Other, hang on to.
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Speaker 10: The walls, and wait, we all fellass over it.
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Speaker 3: That's a good story, Dave, Dave, thank you keeping coming through. If someone is off to see this wonderful Andrew Lloyd Weber show.
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Speaker 4: I'm with Andrew a lot of sentimentality here about the now highly illegal backyard incinerator. I wonder if you're allowed to have an incinerator in the Mitcham Council area with the thought all right, I don't know, maybe that was disgusting rio, but Andrew says, Dad would like the incinerator. Don't let my sister throw anything that was laying around into it. Anything to see how high we could make the flame car tie.
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Speaker 3: That's called making your own fun mattresses. And now today we're expecting a top of twenty one. It's going to be almost a carbon copy Tomorrow twenty one and partly cloudy. Then on Thursday twenty won and partly cloudy. So the next three days it's not gonna take a lot of effort to put out the clothes in the morning. Friday it warms up twenty five and partly cloudy as shower too, and Saturday up to twenty seven and Sunday mostly sunny, and twenty nine is the pick on the forecast. Monday we resume this shower or two business that we keep getting shower two at the top of twenty seven. None of these days are expected to be you know, exactly torrential downpalls, but drizzly cloudy. More of the same for the seven days ahead. Tom Rens of the five to Blow Breakfast Studio be the first test drive the or mitsu Ishi ASX at Augustina Mitsubishi Nailsworth in Mawson Lakes.
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Speaker 11: Morning to You Ready, Morning Will Morning, David Boys World Onto Matilda Shoals. She was the Port Adelaide Best and Fairest winner last night for a second straight year. The Power AFLW side had their Best in ferest count at the Sky City last night, so a great effort from her and last night as well.
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Speaker 12: We had the Hall.
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Speaker 4: Of Fame inductees.
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Speaker 11: The's this Sport Australian Hall of Fame Awards, so the likes of Cam Smith, Tour, Jason Dunstall, Laura Guytes, and then we had the Legends Blinda Clark Andrew Gays and then the Donna Ward for like the most Inspiring Athlete of the Year Oscar Piastre. And one of the other inductees last night was Mark Schwartzer, who was on the Sports Show, and I thought it was appropriate that I sort of segue into by next segment because you know, remember had the former goalie had the moment. I was there actually the night when Australia had that penalty shootout against Uruguay. I think, yeah, yeah, that was unreal there I was there, Yeah, the state of Australian Yeah, yeah, amazing one Neil and then Mark Bresciano scored I think it was, wasn't it and then yeah, the penalty shoot It's still the best event I've been too live.
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Speaker 4: I reckon for sure about that run by that Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 11: Incredible, unbelievable that that's forever etched in folklore. But the reason I bring that up is because yesterday it was probably about seven seven thirty yesterday morning. Ireland had a bit of a moment like that in the soccer. So i'll play it to you now. So they were where they have their group stages. The top side automatically goes through to the World Cup. The second side has the chance to play in a qualify like we did. Hungary were in second Ireland third two or ninety six minute. Hungry's going through until this happened in the ninety six.
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Speaker 4: Control the gas.
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Speaker 13: It's all on this from cleanly color stas was up after it.
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Speaker 4: Chauds a head jack.
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Speaker 13: That's Troy Clarrot. That is unbelievable. He's scoring a hatchick. I'm right up the death. I didn't have done it. I've never seen Hing'd like it, absolutely remarkable. Right at the end, Hungary a becaught. They were hanging on it seems like for the whole night. Certainly when it went to two, this is just stunning. Three two, the time is off. The referee has to finish the game. I'm no voice left.
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Speaker 4: It was great, wasn't it.
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Speaker 14: So?
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Speaker 4: That was so good.
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Speaker 11: That was in Budapest, so it wasn't as loud as it would have been had it been at someone like Crop called something like that in Eiland.
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Speaker 4: That was that was in Budapest. So you feel sorry a bit for Hungry. But the amazing no.
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Speaker 3: Sport does triumph and tragedy like the World game. Just in a moment, it could all be stolen away.
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Speaker 11: That's because there's no outlet until you score.
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Speaker 4: It's so infrequently when you think about it. And Australia has been on the receiving end and the delivery end of it. Australia a rhm. Yeah, just devastation the station. But then equally, what about and you called it here the three of us with the studio, Yeah, Australia v Peru. Andrew redmat that's right, sub in goal, Yeah, that's right. I reckon. That's still the most fun the three of us have ever had at work all the time. But that was that was great, wasn't it that?
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Speaker 3: It was the Irish call just then was superb trying to keep it together his special comments mates completely lost it and then he loses his voice.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they go through good, wouldn't it. Sympathies to any Hungarian Yeah, beautiful country. The late Les Murray one of the many things Hungarians it came to Australia, but yeah, count Island, that's a great result. So I think they've got to play their qualify now in March. But yeah, it'd be.
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Speaker 3: Great to see that great story. Good on your any thanks boys, bans On, David.
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Speaker 2: Penberthy and Wild Goodings five double a Breakfast.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, it is Jerry cherry season. We spoke in the first half hour about that.
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Speaker 4: They did a bit of.
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Speaker 3: Warm weather, don't we all, and the cherries are going to be absolutely magnificent in time for Christmas. Coming up this half hour we're going to chat with Sapol. We'll get the weather and also before seven o'clock this morning, the CEO of the Banking Association you're in Australia, Simon Birmingham, is going to join us. They're gonna be facing questions in the nation's capital this week. We'll get into some of those issues shortly with the former South Australian senator. But first let's talk about a story that broke during our program yesterday. The Marilyn Swim as part of the Brighton Jeddy Classic, an iconic event. This thing has gotten from strength to strength, so much so they now have to reject potential Marylands. There's just shy of a thousand of them to get in the water. The problem is the water. The algal bloom has claimed another victim and the Maryland Swim will now be moving to an outdoor Paul. So the good news is the event goes ahead, money will be raised and I'm sure so how the strolons will support this terrific cause for the Cancer Council. But it's gonna look a bit different. Paul Morton is the general manager of Fundraising an Engagement for the Cancer Council.
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Speaker 4: Morning to you, Paul, Good morning.
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Speaker 15: How are you.
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Speaker 4: We're good, thanks, Paul. So, just in terms of this, obviously the trigger for it was the algall bloom. Is it less concern about water quality rather just the sort of unpredictability with the surf life Saving clubs doing the daily tests of water and so forth, that you just couldn't guarantee certainly around whether the beaches would even necessarily be open.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's absolutely right. The decision was made really to ensure the certainty of the event, and you know, when we're planning it so far in advance, we really wanted to make sure that Marylands for the people that support it, the donors and obviously the South Australian public that count councils South Australia supports for these vital funds to make sure the event goes ahead. And you know, as we stand eye now, there is the possibility there is subject of restrictions or cancelations, so we just want the best event possible.
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Speaker 4: It's quite a good space though, the Marian Outdoor Pool, because you've got a huge lawn area and you know it's been there since the nineteen seventies. Only the swim there and all the mates growing up used to use it as their local pool, so it's a big area to work with.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, look it is and we were down there yesterday. I mean the weather wasn't so great yesterday, but hopefully it will be on the eighth of February. But yeah, great space and great families. There's a number of pools, there's some border slides, we might get some Marylands coming down the world. So yeah, it's going to be a great day and.
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Speaker 4: It's really grown a lot. As we were saying, well, i think when it started we interviewed I think the very first time it was held, how long we've been on the air. I think we spoke to someone in year one and now twelve years on, it's it's really become a huge event.
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Speaker 16: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Look like like I said just said before we had just over seven hundred Maryland's and this year's event earlier this year, we're expecting over a thousand to the next event. We're hoping there's going to be more and we also hope as well because this is slightly different this year. There's a different vibe and like you said, the space is amazing. We're hoping that we're going to get Marylands that have never done this before. So it has grown from strength to strength. It has raised so much money to support South Australians living with cancer. And yeah, it's a wonderful event.
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Speaker 4: Good on your Paul. Paul Morton, the general manager of Fundraising any engagement at the Cancer Council. Would you lend us win will.
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think it might have been finding with my daughter gues or it was Westlake Shore, which I don't think exists anymore.
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Speaker 4: But it was a one. Yeah, it was an indoor one yep. I can remember it being freezing cold. We had to get our survival certificates at the Merie and outdoor pool and we all had to jump in fully clothed tread water for fifteen minutes. Really it was hard wearing shoes and jeans and jumpers.
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Speaker 3: That's not a comfortable with that's not a comfortable thing. I remember it was one of the we at start of the Sea having beach days when I went to school there, because you know, you right across the road from the beach, it was easy to go down to the beach and do an aquatic sort of day. I don't remember any of those days being warmer than ten degrees. I don't know how that's climactically possible, but my memory of every single one of them, it was arctic conditions every time we went there. I'm sure they weren't, but they're the ones I remember. Let's go to value you speaking of memories this morning, we're asking you about the things you grew up playing with it a band or at least you know frowned upon now Steve in Valley View, Good.
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Speaker 1: Morning, hag boys. Back in the old days, when the Adelaide City Bars was open, they said diving towers there and all the kids climbed up the stairs, no control, jumping off towers and jumping on each other. And then the odd hero used to jump over a chain that sort of was stopping people going to the top tower jumping off that no one watching, mate, it was it was out of control. But I must say I've been off one of the most dangerous half paratuses ever built.
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Speaker 4: What's that?
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Speaker 1: That's the diving board at the north.
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Speaker 4: Wow, I had to be shut down. Step They shut it down.
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Speaker 1: Oh that was dangerous.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank god someone got to that. You're one of the many, many people who was never injured there.
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Speaker 3: Incredible, every one of those hundred years without an incident. They were one year closer to someone getting hurt and someone had to do something about it. Very good, Stephen, that's excellent.
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Speaker 4: Do some texts. Zero eight thirty ninety five, Andrew says, fun fact, cheries have to be picked ripe as they don't ripe and once picked. Maybe that's where the saying comes from. Now he were getting into some crazy stuff anantin Gore, Hi boys. I had a blob of mercury about the size of the big grape which I used to play with. I'd roll it around in my hands and let them fall through my fingers in pieces, drop it onto a plate where it would regroup back into a blob. Great fun, probably highly illegal. In twenty twenty five, there's another one here from a Sparky. Sorry, no, not a Sparky. It's from Roger, he says Kiday Guys. I went to Gillis Plaines Tech where the music teacher would get you to hold the probes of an electricians mega and wine, the handle that produced a thousand volts for checking insulation. If you were talking, or if two or more were talking in class, you have to hold hands and the boys on the and would hold the probe and you'll get an electric shock. See.
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Speaker 3: Not only is that legal now, I think you think it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.
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Speaker 4: You can't do that to a war criminal. I'm litt alone, an indolent music student. That's that's the sort of thing that got the Yanks into trouble at Guantanamo Bay.
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Speaker 3: That's right, Pock, How the world has changed? That was excellent that text. Keep the coming through. We will award the double pass to music of the night before seven o'clock this morning, Bit a Trampoline Love as well. Rob says, good morning men. Highly dangerous.
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Speaker 4: Trampolines were the type that will over pits in the ground and then had a concrete surround. We had ten of them in the Parking shopping center in the nineteen sixties, and I continue they're extremely dangerous.
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Speaker 3: Keep coming again zero before eight zero eight thirty ninety five. Well, give us a buzz eight double two three et double O double.
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Speaker 2: David Penberbe and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 3: Twelve minutes to seven. Let's head to the weather Bureau. Mark Anilac is on duty today. Mark, good morning to you.
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Speaker 17: Good morning guys.
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Speaker 3: Any danger we're going to get in any warmth anytime soon?
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Speaker 4: Marked, joke around.
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Speaker 17: Look, we are getting very late in the season, and it's well, it's not unheard of to have these cooler temperatures. It's quite unusual that we don't see temperatures above thirty somewhere in November. So yeah, it's certainly been a cool spell and it looks like it will continue for some time yet. Today fairly we've a light northwest to Wesley bring cloud wind bringing in some low cloud to the Adelaide area. That low cloud is presenting itself as fog for those in the hills. So a cloudy start, but we should see that cloud start to lift during the day. There might be the odd spot or two under it, but don't expect too much.
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Speaker 4: Today.
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Speaker 17: We're heading for a top of twenty one degrees. Currently in the city it's fourteen point seven degrees tomorrow finding up a little bit. We should see a bit more blue sky around tomorrow. Twenty one degrees Thursday twenty one, Friday warning up to twenty five and at this stage we'll see the winds turn northly at the weekend. Twenty seven degrees on Saturday, twenty nine degrees on Sunday.
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Speaker 4: Still nothing with a three in front of it. Good stuff, Mark, thank you, Mark. Nil there from the weather viewing.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's say to say Paulson Constable Jen callenan on the line. Jenna Man's been arrested in a Cheltenham overnight.
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Speaker 18: Yes he has.
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Speaker 19: Good morning. It was just after a quarter past seven last night. Witnesses reported seeing a man on CCTV in the rear of an address on James Street and contacted police and patrols were quickly unseen and located that suspect in the shed on the premises attempting to steal some tools. So the thirty two year old man from Pennington was arrested. He's been charged with serious criminal trespass and possession of some drug equipment. So he's going to find himself in the Port Adelaide Magistrates Court in December.
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Speaker 4: Rightly so Jen Also a bloke's been arrested in Port Lincoln for traffic offenses.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, we're going to head over there this morning. And it was about quarter past four yesterday afternoon. Police attempted to stop a Subaru station wagon on veran Terrace and the driver immediately sped off, but the car was found a short time later on the gar Street. Now they searched a nearby address and they located that driver in possession of an amount of metaphetamine. And he's a twenty eight year old Port Linker man. He's been arrested in charge with driving and registered on insured driving disqualified and also traffic in a controlled drug. And he's going to appear in the Port like Blinket magistrates caught today.
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Speaker 4: Good stuff Jensy you Constable Jim Cullen and there from Staphole all right, Glen Old paid. It has got an example of something that he grew up playing with or playing that you can't do now morning you.
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Speaker 14: Paid it by good morning. I can't believe that nobody's rang up about their air rifles and baby gans. Wem's pretty much all had as kids, and factor that I'd like that one back again now for all the pigeons around grown milk, but they were legal.
00:31:57
Speaker 4: Now. We have had a few people, particularly Spadgar as well, Pete, a lot of love for the old spud gun. But yeah, I know some of the earlier rises were bemoaning the fact that air rifles no more. I'd made at school. We had them too, It was quite commonplace. But good on you mate. We appreciate the call. Thank you, Peter. Well.
00:32:17
Speaker 3: The bosses of the big four banks have made their annual pilgrimage to Canberra to be quizzed by politicians on a range of issues that will go to employment, lending practices, scams and so forth. Simon Birmingham is the CEO of the Australian Banking Association and joints us on five to blow Breakfast now, Simon, good morning to.
00:32:33
Speaker 9: You, Good morning guys.
00:32:34
Speaker 4: Good great to have you on Burma. This must be sort of deja vu for you hopping on a plane to go to Canberra to this time be on the receiving end of the grilling as opposed to leading it.
00:32:46
Speaker 9: Well, it's the four four Big four bank CEOs, SO, Commonwealth, the NAB, WESTPACA and Z all front up on these two days in the House of Rep's Economics Committee. So I've had plenty of experience of both answering questions as a minister and thinking about what might be asked as a senators. So this time it's of course been very much on the thinking side. But look, really it's a banks have a significant place the economy in our country and this is a unique bit of accountability for the banking sector compete really with any other part of the business community in Australia. But the forefront up and they do so to address whatever is on the mind of the parliamentarians asking the questions.
00:33:33
Speaker 4: Do you have to try to sort of strategically war roomate to use that management term, you know, work out in advance what's the likely incoming and what do you think it would be. I mean, there's always that tension between profits and redundancies. Every time there's a round of redundancies or any adjustments for technological change. The first thing we do here is will rattles off. You know how much money Bank X made last year? Are you expecting a bit along those lines.
00:34:03
Speaker 9: Look, I've no doubt that some of the announcements made by individual companies will form part of the questioning of those companies and what tech changes are going to mean in terms of future outlook will be part of the questioning. And you would be foolish for anybody to go before a parliamentary committee and not try to think about in advance and learn in advance and what the areas of interest might be at the parliamentarians to make sure you're as well prepared as you can be to answer those questions. But when you look at the investment in technology, KPMG estimated that last year Australian banks sent has spent nine billion dollars on technology fifteen percent increase. And that's driven in part by a large part by consumer behavior. That the way people are spending and engaging with banks has changed dramatically. Back in twenty eighteen we used about one billion dollar in sort of tap and go type payments. Now we spend around twenty billion dollars every month, so from one billion dollars a year to twenty billion dollars a month, and so that requires a huge investment in the tech platforms to make that operate smoothly and safely, and that's the critical things in there to be able to explore and discuss.
00:35:23
Speaker 3: Burmert strikes where that technology might be an interesting clash point in these conversations because, rightly or wrongly, when Nanz announce they're going to lose threey five hundred jobs, a few people raised the eyebrows and thought, is this the beginning of the AI wave? Despite the fact that the bank was it pains to say this is not an AI driven decision. But at the same time, and so there'll going to be questions around artificial intelligence or what it means for banking, I imagine, But I'm guessing the banks to want to make the point, Hey, some of this stuff and some of this technology is going to be good for fighting scammers, and it's going to be good for pushing back on scams and protecting people's accounts. How do you see that flash point playing out?
00:36:04
Speaker 9: Well, I think there's a couple of points when it comes to jobs. No doubt there'll also be expiration over betwend in job numbers. The increase that have occurred over recent years, and now some of that increase been withdrawn, the tightening of need interest margins, and what that means that the competition in the banking sector, the fact that people are getting when it comes to mortgages more and more through mortgage brokers, even small business loans more and more through brokers, and that they are driving for some of the best deals. But yes, then how banks are having to invest in technology in scams and fighting them, and you've got this situation at present, whereas I said, Australian banks spent around nine billion dollars last year on technology, while the Reuters News agency reviewed the other day that Meta, the Facebook owner and technology company, happily earned around sixteen billion dollars from known scam ads. That's a pretty remarkable thing and it shows the investment banks are having to make to try to help keep Australians safe against those types of horrific global trends.
00:37:14
Speaker 4: That writer's article I thought was amazing because it almost made it sound like it's part of Meta's business model, rather than trying to make it make the high jump bar prohibitively high for these scam companies. It almost looks like the factor it into their forward financial planning at Facebook.
00:37:35
Speaker 9: The article in the revelations in terms of the documents that the Ruyter's News agency was able to get a hold of a kind of akin to the tobacco industry revelations of decades ago. Because yes, Meta do appear to know that they are showing people around the world around fifteen billion scam ads a day a day, and where they suspect something to be a scam ad, they're not taking it down. They're charging the person more, which means Meta is making more money from the scam ads. So there's a huge task here for the social media sector to step up and to play it part to increasing concern of course in the US and other places as well. It's not just Australian consumer advocates and banks who are concerned that's replicated around the world, but it's certainly an issue on which the consumer groups and the banks are at one in terms of our concern and work with government to hear. The Albanezi government legislated with bipartisan support in the last parliament for a scams prevention framework that will see banks accept certain obligations, telecommunications companies accept certain obligations, but also critically, the media platforms. The social media platforms also have to accept the code and certain obligations and face penalty if they breach that. And we're really looking forward to seeing that code consult come out and for those codes to be hopefully operational from one July next year.
00:39:04
Speaker 3: I don't imagine this will come up necessarily in Canberra Burmo, but it has been a talking point globally. Donald Trump floating the idea of the fifty year mortgage in the last five or six days. Is that something you think we'll see a push to adopt here in Australia.
00:39:19
Speaker 9: I'd be surprised. The sort of the thirty year term is pretty well embedded in the way Australians look and plan around their mortgages. But as I said, the mortgage market has become ever more competitive. The net interest margins, so essentially the cost of having money and what you get for lending it for banks, has seen some tightening over recent years, and that's a function of the competition not just between the Big four but also from more banks, including those offering digital only loan type options, and so with that competition comes innovation, and maybe some will cease scope for different terms, particularly for for perhaps younger borrowers.
00:40:02
Speaker 4: Good stuff, Burmo Simon Birmingham, the CEO of the Australian Banking Association, thanks for joining us. A minute to seven. We've got some tickets to give away.
00:40:10
Speaker 3: David to a caller, Yes, to Andrew Lloyd Webber, to a caller with a tale of things they used to get up to as kids that will be banned or at very least frowned upon these days, or indeed, in one particular instance, in outright banned by law. The tickets to Andrew Lloyd Webber Weeber on November the thirty at the Excellent Majesty's Theater. Music of the night is the name of the show, and you get tickets A ticket tech I reckon.
00:40:37
Speaker 4: Let's give it to job of sound Effects. Let's give it to Peter. Peter.
00:40:44
Speaker 3: Peter, Peter, You've got the tickets. Cover your way from glen Ell. We've got the news coming our way, and on the other side of it, a very happy story about the continuation of Bedford announced yesterday.
00:40:55
Speaker 2: That's David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast, seven.
00:41:01
Speaker 3: After seven, Good morning, Servir Johinning is for the first time on this Tuesday, the eighteenth of November. Weather Wise, little to report. It is much like it has been. It is gray, it is not particularly warm. It might be less drizzly if we're going to be glass full. Is a little bit around the place, but otherwise it's much of the same. Some good news potentially coming this weekend, at least on Sunday, which looks like a pretty magnificent sort of day. Some good news coming in terms of content right through till nine o'clock breaking. It's going to be massive today. Are we going to chat with Heather Kroll, who, it was announced yesterday stepping down is Fringebosh. He's been there for eleven years. It's undergone a lot of change over the course of that time. Well sells more than a million tickets now nagger a large ev world's.
00:41:41
Speaker 4: Biggest festival, biggest, biggest dam arts festival in the Southern Hemisphere.
00:41:45
Speaker 3: It's the second biggest in the world. I believe it's only behind Edinburgh. It's incredible, isn't remarkable? So we're talking about that and what comes next. The Treasurer Tom Kitz turn us after eight thirty taking your questions. Phil Curry in the nation's capital in a moment we're going to talk about was a terrific news story yesterday. Twelve hundred jobs at Bedford have been saved the Disability Trust, a nonproprofit provider based out of Well. They've got branches in Victoria, Queens. They New Southwest and the ACT will buy Bedford and keep it going. We're going to chat with some of the workers, including Lee, who we spoke to last time. We thought at least it hadn't been saved, but it had received a stay of execution and he was delighted with that news. We'd a lovely chat and we'll do it again in just a moment. But let's begin the hour with this extraordinary front page breaking news story from our very own Jess Adamson this morning writing and the Advertiser about a story that it to be fair, has raised some questions on the text line this morning regarding Tamika Chess, the former Beauty and the Geek contestant that's accused of murdering her partner in Port Lincoln, who Jess is revealed is pregnant. Jess Adamson, good morning to.
00:42:51
Speaker 20: You, good morning, well, good morning came on.
00:42:54
Speaker 4: So this is a truly remarkable story. And you don't know who the father is. Do you know how many months pregnant she is?
00:43:05
Speaker 20: Well, what we do know is that she is due to have this child sometime early next year. So I'm not sure exactly how far is how far she is, but look, I think we can all agree it's another twist in this incredibly sad and complicated mess, and it does present more questions than answers at the.
00:43:26
Speaker 4: Moment because working backwards, so her former partner who she's accused of killing and dismembering Julian's story, the thirty nine year old man, so they had there was some sort of incident back in June June nineteen. His remains were found July thirty one, so he was still alive five months ago, so potentially he could be the father. But the thing is, if he's not the father, that raises all sorts of questions about how she's been cared for and monitored while she's detained under the Mental Health Act. That James desh House doesn't.
00:44:06
Speaker 20: It, It certainly does My understanding is that it is still unclear who the father is. I understand that it is possible that it may be Julian's story, but that is unlikely. And I think, as we know from history, when women who are incarcerated or held under a mental health detention order, as Tamika Chessai is in James Nash House at Oakton, then authorities like the Department of Child Protection it is their role to manage this or help manage this from here on in. So my understanding would be that they would be talking with her, perhaps talking to family members, her family members in particular, to see and just perhaps scope out what the future for this child might be. Because while some women in South Australia who are incarcerated are able to keep their children, particularly in those early weeks and months, and in fact there are special programs set up that we know to increase that bond between mother and baby, I think in this case it's highly unlikely, given her fragile mental state at the moment, and of course the seriousness of the charges.
00:45:14
Speaker 4: Hmmm. Did have her family said anything about, you know, the fact that she's going to be a mother.
00:45:24
Speaker 20: I haven't been in contact with her family, and I haven't been in contact with his family. I understand mister Story's family have been told the news by major crime detective. You can imagine this adds just another whole layer of grief for them. Mat just so many questions, just so many questions for that family.
00:45:42
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and as you said, yes, it's not clear whether she became pregnant before or after being committed. That's right, amazing story, Jess jess Adamson five double as owned Jess Adamson, who also wrote excellent columns for The Tyser. Thanks for joining us.
00:46:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an intriguing story that one is going to be more to come out of that, no doubt.
00:46:08
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.
00:46:09
Speaker 3: Yesterday, breaking it eight, we were able to bring the very happy news that Bedford would continue to operate, and most importantly that would mean work for the twelve hundred people who were employed there. The Disability Trust will take over the operation a non for profit provider. Are they going to buy Bedford? The Premier and Health Minister federally Matt Butler announced yesterday that they'd found someone and that was terrific news. But the reality of this is it's not the politicians that we most wanted to speak to. It was the workers. But we did this before when Bedford was first circling the drain, so to speak, and then they received a stay of execution by way of the federal and state money. Today, though, it's even happier because this is the long term future of Bedford secured. So let's go to David Stevens, who is a worker at Bedford. David, good morning to you. You must be really hap be at this news.
00:47:01
Speaker 21: Very good morning to you guys. How are you this morning?
00:47:03
Speaker 4: We're good, thanks, David. Not as relieved as you though, mate. Great news.
00:47:06
Speaker 21: Hey, yeah, excellent news. It was very It was really wonderful. Yes yesterday. Wanted to hear the good news that we we get our jobs saved. It was fantastic.
00:47:16
Speaker 4: So where were you when you heard, David? Were you working yesterday?
00:47:19
Speaker 21: I know when I got to work, I heard, I heard the news. I had to sit down with hare that you know, in our dining room, actually heard the actually heard the news, and it was just like we were celebrating with happiness.
00:47:30
Speaker 4: Oh that's good. What do you do there, David.
00:47:33
Speaker 21: I'm in the packaging area, so I work in packaging, so we've been doing a lot of the I'm in the packaging area at the moment, so do packaging I mean a certain area doing differing jobs at the moment.
00:47:42
Speaker 4: Well, your colleagues pretty worried.
00:47:46
Speaker 21: Not really, but we were like yes and yes, yes and no, yes and no that we were decide we're looking for to hear the good news else about it.
00:47:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, it must be important, David, because it's like any workplace you know, like me and will hear with sort of you know occasionally of the footy go to the pub together and have fun, you know, with the other staff, Pat and m and the rest of the team Bedford, you must go. I have a social life that comes out of Bedford too.
00:48:12
Speaker 21: That's right, because that's right, because I enjoyed when I'm not working, I just do it. I do sports. Was I do the Caen bowling as well on weekend and weekdays as well.
00:48:21
Speaker 4: Ten pin bowling. Yes, yeah, right. Do you do any good wood? No?
00:48:26
Speaker 21: I go to I bought I bought wood on Wednesday night and I bowl at no longer bowls Aday mornings.
00:48:31
Speaker 4: Yeah. Right. And is that with other mates from Bedford?
00:48:36
Speaker 21: No, not really. One of my friends, one of my friends who worked with me. Josh is in my teammates and he worked with me at Bedford.
00:48:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that's a bit.
00:48:45
Speaker 21: Yes, we decide do lead. We do lead together every every on weekends.
00:48:49
Speaker 4: What's your highest score?
00:48:51
Speaker 21: Oh got two hundred last time.
00:48:54
Speaker 4: Wow, you're a good day, seriously good.
00:48:57
Speaker 21: Yeah, you want to went one one who went? Now?
00:49:01
Speaker 12: Well?
00:49:02
Speaker 4: I mean, well, well done, David, I have strikes. That's pretty good.
00:49:07
Speaker 3: Well, you can bowl now with the weight of the future of Bedford off your shoulders. Let's go to Lee Dreyer, who we've spoken to in the past. We had a lovely chat with Lee. Last time we got some good news about Bedford. Not as good as the news this time around. Lee, Good morning to you. You two must be very excited.
00:49:24
Speaker 22: Yeah. I am really a sight of that to you. I'm a cleaner, impackage and I'm a cleaner.
00:49:32
Speaker 4: And were you working yesterday, Lee.
00:49:34
Speaker 22: When the news broke working yesterday?
00:49:37
Speaker 4: What was the reaction like at Bedford?
00:49:39
Speaker 23: Lee?
00:49:39
Speaker 22: I met? I've been on TV?
00:49:42
Speaker 4: Really?
00:49:43
Speaker 22: Yeah?
00:49:45
Speaker 4: How was the Premier? Was he was he chatty? Did you ever? Did you have a few words with him? What do you think about your port man?
00:49:53
Speaker 22: Close man?
00:49:54
Speaker 4: Did you give him a bit of stick.
00:49:57
Speaker 22: Yeah, no I didn't.
00:50:00
Speaker 4: Well I suppose he arrived with such good news you didn't want to be rudely. Yeah, so was everyone. Everyone must have been really happy, mate, Yeah.
00:50:09
Speaker 22: They weren't my ball yes as well, right, No, it.
00:50:15
Speaker 4: Was a big, big news day at Bedford.
00:50:17
Speaker 22: Yeah, it was really exciting yesterday.
00:50:20
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well thank you.
00:50:22
Speaker 22: For your thanks for the ticket as well from five Oh look.
00:50:26
Speaker 4: To try We gave you tickets, didn't we, mate?
00:50:29
Speaker 22: Yeah?
00:50:30
Speaker 4: What was that for? Again?
00:50:32
Speaker 22: It was the Faundly past was maybe past?
00:50:34
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what did you say?
00:50:36
Speaker 22: I haven't seen it, but it was are you guys on the meets right this week?
00:50:41
Speaker 10: Or a.
00:50:43
Speaker 4: Friday morning? The meat tro Friday?
00:50:46
Speaker 22: Asking?
00:50:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you tuning Friday morning? Wing yourself a metro then, mate, you're a winning machine. Andrew and Prospects called in Andrew, good morning to.
00:50:58
Speaker 16: You, good morning? Yeah, like congratulations into you know everybody, But just don't look.
00:51:08
Speaker 24: That Bits of not only provide the supported informat optionnities, but they also run an excellent program. Is a day option that a young lad that i'm guardian taught a thing.
00:51:21
Speaker 16: And you know stants that have high complex and disability needs and the team that they are unbelievable, Like they're amazing.
00:51:29
Speaker 24: That the way that they have personalize the activities netural clients, they don't haven't engaged full the weeks of very activity excluding snorking, social community access and independents and living skills.
00:51:46
Speaker 16: You know, it's just tremendous. Like but they also and yeah, so we've been in limbo, you know since behead of Us initially, but.
00:51:56
Speaker 24: I'd just like to also acknowledge the fact that along these.
00:52:00
Speaker 16: Journey of Uncertained have kept everybody in the schools emails and classification.
00:52:10
Speaker 4: Well that's great to hear, Andrew. Your phone's just dropping out a little bit there, but we got the juice.
00:52:14
Speaker 3: Of it in the centimon is the communication has been great and they do really wonderful work there, which which we know and we're delighted that it's going to be able to continue.
00:52:21
Speaker 4: Thanks for calling in.
00:52:22
Speaker 2: David Peenberby and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
00:52:26
Speaker 3: Twenty two minutes after seven, Phil Curry coming up after seven thirty this morning, and then before eight o'clock we didn't get an update from the Education mist to Blair Boyer, hundreds more schools have been added the list of those with this asbestos.
00:52:40
Speaker 4: Laden sand, which means they're going to need to be clean. How's that process going to take? What kind of disruption is there going to be? If any will find out? With education min it's before eight o'clock today. I think the good news is in a lot of places the stuff hasn't even been opened up. No, so you know if it's just sitting there in pot I'll tell you what I noticed that office works. I was there a few weeks ago buying my favorite type of pin, which is the uniball I find black in case anyone's interested in that level of detail. But there was this huge display of the sand. When I walked in on the left there kesik this massive amount and it's all gone. Now. It's amazing, isn't it. Yah. I think there's the angle that interests people the most, apart from the safety angle with this, is the how do they make stuff in China element of it, because I think, well, the door example was a good one. We got yesterday people that have had things manufactured there that have come here and have been substandard or outright dangerous. In this case, I'll tell you what is a story I really like at the moment being a big board game guy. We're going through a bit of a Monopoly phase at our house. It's a good game and apply It teaches about greed and it teaches you about how to deal with loss. It prepares you for the Australian property experience too. Yeah, that's right.
00:53:55
Speaker 3: I guess I've got out bid and now I'm broke. Suddenly everything's Mayfair and Park Lane.
00:54:00
Speaker 4: All the people that own the houses have all the money. But there's a story. There's a story that in the TiSER a couple of days ago, it might have been in a Sunday mail. The Australian Toy Association is talking about how there's been big surges in the last couple of months in the sales of Lago and Uno and also other board games. It's things like Pluto and so on. And part of it is because parents are getting ready for the fact that their kids are going to be kicked off social media. So the idea of family board game night, even things like Card Knights. Card Knights were all the go in the seventies, not going to remember, would go to Grandma Penn's on a Saturday night, would play Gin Rummy or Canasta. It was great sitting around get the folding bridge table out. But as a kid, did you have a favorite board game?
00:54:52
Speaker 25: Will?
00:54:52
Speaker 3: Growing up we went through a Monopoly phase, but that just always ended in fights. I don't think a game ever made it to its natural conclusion without a board getting flipp do, money getting thrown, usually by my brother. He was the guilty party generally, but that one got played a little bit. That was always fun. How are you You would have been bed eyed at Monopoly?
00:55:09
Speaker 4: Uh? Pretty shrewd? Yeah, No, I was just the ugly face of capitalist.
00:55:13
Speaker 1: Oh.
00:55:13
Speaker 4: Completely gave me a real love for it. You mean I can crowd other people out of the market exhauting excellent, no rent controls here.
00:55:22
Speaker 3: It's funny you talk about what your favorite board games folks. And have you any of having a renaissance in your household? Eight double two three double o double Have you introduced your kids or grandkids to any We'd like to hear your stories? Eight double two three double o double textus on the text lines it before zero eight thirty ninety five. I read this great piece during the week by an American journalist called Derek Thompson and his blog talking about how everything's becoming television, and I just I think about a stat in that piece that so the conceit of the piece is this idea that TV's not dying. It's actually stronger than ever. But it's just not what we call it. Eighty percent of people's time they spent on Facebook now is not doing social media. It's watching videos. Tinety percent of the time people spent on Instagrams not posting photos, it's watching reels TikTok. Is just this is just television now. We just don't call it that. We're still calling it social media when by and large, it's just how people are digesting TV anyway. By the bye, between nineteen sixty five and nineteen ninety five in the US, and I bet it's the same here, the average American gained six hours of leisure time a week. Gained gained over that period of thirty years sixty five to ninety five, three hundred plus hours a year. You mentioned the seventies people play board games. Do you know what They funneled almost all of that time into watching television. Watching television. Watching television is the thing that changed most significantly in the nineteen to seventy six percent of kids had a TV in their bedroom. In nineteen ninety nine it was seventy seven percent. Seventy seventy seven percent. Seriously, that's children, that's I reckon, that's the death of board games. We're not the death of board games. That's overstating it. But you talk about their house seeing days of the board.
00:57:00
Speaker 4: Game, well, board game. It's gone from board games to gaming.
00:57:04
Speaker 23: Yeah.
00:57:04
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's all the same continuum. It's just like and the TV's in there. It's a monitor more than the TV, isn't it Because they're not I hate to break it here, but they're not watching free to wear television. No, no, but that's just what's what us old people call television. Yeah, but it's tech people still watching a little screen, videos full of content. But it's interesting you picked that data point because it just tweaked my memory too. That was probably the high point of entertainment sands a screen. Yeah, you know, as it was as it was coming in. It was probably that.
00:57:34
Speaker 4: Sort of sixties, late sixties early set change. So fast, hasn't it You think about, like you know, our listeners who win the care Alert smart dialer. You know, people are born in the nineteen forties, often that they would have had one doll or maybe one of those wooden wooden balls on a string that you're catching the car completely. But you know that would be a toy to last year. You know months.
00:57:56
Speaker 3: There's a great piece that was written in nineteen nine. In fact, it was in ninety nine by a Harvard scholar, Robert Puttnam, who makes this wrote this entirestay about the tea. It's reprogramming people's brains. They don't think in paragraphs, they're thinking scenes. And it's this whole piece that could be written in twenty twenty five about social media. All the all the concerns are exactly the same. It's fascinating. Scott and Modbrey. Board games in your place? What are you playing?
00:58:21
Speaker 26: Oh, good boys, If you want a great one, David, get yourself Settlers of Katan it is. It's won that many awards. It's ridiculous. It's a really fun game.
00:58:32
Speaker 4: That's why we're going to create communities. Or it's like a medieval sort of games.
00:58:36
Speaker 26: Guy, it isn't it isn't. It's it's like a card based game with dice and you you generate resources and the more you need to spend the resources to get bigger and bigger, and you you grow. It can be really spiteful if you play with your mates. So it's a great one. But another one would be risk if you've got three or four hours to waste.
00:58:59
Speaker 1: But if you're to blow the whole.
00:59:00
Speaker 26: Day, showgun, which is just risk gone steroids and it's yeah, they're great games.
00:59:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, Riskers. Riskers have been around for a while. Mates of mine went through a massive risk phase.
00:59:10
Speaker 3: Risk is the kind of thing that became a computer game. But that that kind of depth, that deep, long session complicated, that's that's the thing that naturally transitioned to being video games. Naomi in Westlakes, good morning, good morning, how are you good things?
00:59:25
Speaker 4: Nami?
00:59:26
Speaker 1: Good?
00:59:27
Speaker 4: My girls and I we still love Yeah, that's just a classic, is it. Well, that's right naming who knows one of the games. It's had the big surge in the last few months as well.
00:59:37
Speaker 21: Oh it is.
00:59:37
Speaker 25: But yeah, my girls like to change the rules of draw to and draw for every time they play.
00:59:43
Speaker 4: Well you can, you can tweak it up a bit, have your own house rules.
00:59:46
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's one game that Cimo can we play, you know, it's brilliant.
00:59:50
Speaker 3: Yeah together, well done, Nami, good stuff, KEPN coming in eight double two three double O double. In the meantime we're a checking in the five double A newsroom and Phil Coourry and Thenation's Capital.
01:00:00
Speaker 2: Next David Penberthy and World Goodings five double A Breakfast.
01:00:04
Speaker 3: Twenty one minutes to big Breaking at eight this morning, and I want to hang around for this one. The Treasurer Tom kurtzer tourtis after eight thirty answering your questions. You can flick them through on the text lines before eight zero eight thirty ninety five, and we're going to have a final chat with Heather Kroll as Fringe director, who has been the director of the Fringe for as long as we've been doing this program, We've never had to chat with another director of the Adelaide Fringe. He's been in the job for eleven years, seen it grow remarkably. It's going to be some sort of record completely. I can't think of anyone who's lasted longer than that.
01:00:34
Speaker 4: We'll be chatting with her after after eight o'clock. Let's head to the Nation's Capital now, though Phil Curry from The Australian Financial Review joins this morning.
01:00:42
Speaker 12: Do you Phil that morning? Girls? How are you?
01:00:44
Speaker 4: Yeah? We're good, thanks Phil. Jeez ill tell you what it sounds like. It's the killing season for liberal leaders today. The Victorian guy might get knocked off and in Sydney, Adelaide's own Kelly Connolly formerly Kelly Sloan, the very well regarded ABC News read it might become the leader of the Liberal Party there.
01:01:02
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's going off everywhere. There's they're not in good shape the Liberal Party anywhere. Look it's in Victoria. There may be a last reprieve for the state leader there, Brad Baton, because someone's just released a poll showing he's going well, they're all going in at about twenty minutes to you to go in and neck him. But someone's just posted a poll saying that actually he's ahead. So we'll get back in an hour on that one. As I know about how sort of imminent anything is in New South Wales because the Nationals leader theyre just resigned yesterday as well. So but look there, they're just in a dreadful state and they shouldn't be. I mean in Victoria, for example, you've got this most terrible government ever which has been in power for over ten years, and you know you've got this taxis sorry, this state riddled by crime, debt, and taxes, and the Liberal Party should be more than competitive there. So we'll wait and see what happens there. But my focus obviously this week's been the big the big dance over here where seasonally is sort of clinging on to grim death for her own leadership.
01:02:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously the net zero drama. They finally resolved that feel but then within seconds of it, yeah, well sort of, I mean, what sort of a resolution was it before we get the season Lee's lady.
01:02:20
Speaker 12: Well, there's still a lot of detail to be sorted out, but we'll get they'll get they'll get at that before the election. But I think the main thing is done now in principal of bandoned net zero and basically torn up everything else they are ever going to do on climate change. So but there's still a few sort of things to be worked out with the nationals. Actually how you are going to reduce emissions at all. That hasn't been promptly explained. But I don't think they're worried about detail at the moment. It's just about sending a message.
01:02:45
Speaker 4: So then that happened, and then immediately after that there was speculation that some of the moderates had flipped over to Andrew Hasty.
01:02:52
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was not quite right that report. What it is that the moderate liberals are so devastated, I think is in an overstatement of what's happened, because they just they just think, you know, it's you can't be all or nothing on climate change. You've got to be clever about it, right, because there's varying views across the country on need zero. You've got you know, the in the regions. You know, say you've got an MP like Tony passing down in Mount Gambia there you get rid of need zero and everyone down there.
01:03:20
Speaker 4: Love him for it.
01:03:21
Speaker 12: But then you've got liberalool. They haven't got any seats in the city anymore. But you know, if you still had the seat of Stut or whatever, it's probably why you don't have the seat of Sturt. So you've got to be clever, you've got to actually sort of be able to get a balance. And the moderates in the city seats that the half a dozen left just think, oh they're cooked, right, People like Tim Wilson, who called back a Teal seat at the last election in Victoria. And the whole point, David is if you've got to get in the government, you've got to win seats, right and this and the viewers that aren't going to win any more seats because of this, they'll hold the ones I've got, but they won't make any inroads into those thirty three metropolitan seats I've lost to the last two elections. So on that sort of Yeah, there's modern she's just sort of walking around shell shocked. How we suddenly went back to pre tony abbot on climate change in the space for two weeks because the nationals demanded you know, I think the speed of it, what happened, the unraveling, and a lot of them were saying, well, look, if Andrew Hasty's agenda, if we're going to have Andrew Hasty's agenda, let him run the party, you know, let him own it, and then if it blows up, good, we'll blow him up too. That was the sort of that was the sort of sentiment behind that report. It wasn't like Moderate's now see Andrew Hasty is the great savior that we're going to go with Paul and Hanson. Let Paul and Hanson run the party and see if it works. You know, if it does, and then we can sort of get back to something that may be more electable than if it does work. All good.
01:04:38
Speaker 3: One of the government's weak points and one of the points on which the Libs seem to be losing support.
01:04:42
Speaker 4: To one nation's on immigration.
01:04:44
Speaker 3: And I know you've written a really interesting piece this morning, Phil in the field about the potential revealing of an immigration policy with some concrete numbers in it from the coalition.
01:04:53
Speaker 12: Well, just sort of a little less. The concrete hasn't set yet.
01:04:56
Speaker 4: Well, but the potential for con great numbers.
01:05:01
Speaker 12: Again, and stick your fan for an in it, not yourself out. It's more like when Lee announced the backdown on Sunday on climate change, that they've done a deal of the nat she said, And in the next couple of weeks we'll have our migration policy out. Now, that was another policy that I'd been working on, wasn't meant to be released till next year. If you remember, Andrew Hasty stormed off the front bench in a big sook because he didn't have a chance to have an influence in it, and just into Nama Jin for price. Remember, she got pushed off the front bench because she made those comments about Indian migrants and wouldn't apologize for them. So again it's another issue that's been led by the right wing of the Liberal Party, by One Nation. We had our pole, our Pole financial Review, Red Bridge Pole came out yesterday showed that that One Nation is now the most trusted party to deal with immigration, more so than Labor or Liberal We had twenty seven percent compared to twenty and nineteen percent, and so yeah, the Liberals are now being speak by that. So it's another sort of rush job. They're going to bring forth a policy there isn't really anywhere half ready, but it's not easy. Just it's easy to say you're going to cut immigration, it's sort of harder to do it because there's so many categories. And you've got this thing with New Zealand. Will the key weis are pouring in.
01:06:11
Speaker 4: Here of the moment.
01:06:12
Speaker 12: There's no jobs over there, and we have a sort of a free free flow agreement with them. It just tends to be more one way. And so there's a bunch and you know, there's a bunch of people already here waiting for waiting for their permanent migration status and stuff like that. So once you sort of get into it, it's not easy to sort of cut immediately. But again it's a bit like the climate change thing. The detail can come later. They just need to send that signal because you know, they're just bleeding votes to one nation like you wouldn't believe, and lease leaderships and all sorts of trouble and you know, it's it's all, it's all. It's all a bit messy, to be honest.
01:06:43
Speaker 4: Does it sw to you through at the moment that the government is just being totally low off the hook on all sorts of fronts, Well, yeah, for sure.
01:06:50
Speaker 12: I mean that's what happens. You know, you get these sort of people ring up or emails. So why you're focusing on the government. I so because you can't ignore the circus when the big top's in town and you know, and that's what's happening at the moment. Yeah, Look, there's plenty, there's plenty for the government to be worried about. Inflation, energy prices, all those things that got people cranky last time haven't gone away. And the pole still shows the cost of livings unrivaled as the number one concern so yeah, the government's not been complacent about what's going on. They're watching it very closely and they know this can sort of get ahead of steam some of this stuff, so you know they're not sort of just sitting back laughing at it. But at the same time, it's better for them that happens than it doesn't. But you know, if and when they saw this out, there was plenty of time to focus back on the government before the election.
01:07:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, great stuff is always Phil Phil Coury, the national political editor of The finn Review. Just thinking about Phil's comments there about net zero and the moderate sort of tearing of hair about the fact that it's no more, you could sort of see the thinking behind Vincent Tazi's publicly awkward position yesterday where he was saying we remain a party that's net zero even though the rank and file Liberals in South Australia don't and the federal Liberal Party and coalition. Don't you think, why is he like added a shag on a rock. The fear would be that they could They're still going to hold traditionally conservative rural seats even if they support net zero because they're vote so big there labors. He's not going to win the river Land or something you know, or York's. So the argument is, well, okay, let's just say we still support net zero because if we come out now five months from the election, how is it going to go when we're drawknocking in the seat of Amy or Marialta. So do we get to the point where we go so hardline map suff it's all crap, It's all about power bills. It creates an easy sort of attack point for labor in seats where people have climate emergency stickers on the front of their neration home.
01:09:00
Speaker 3: Well, I think she made a pretty reasonable argument yesterday Vincentazia that it's going to happen anyway, based on South Australia is a different kettle of fish to the rest of the country. It's going to happen anyway, and it's not as though there are old stations that we can unmothball and put back online like the things. The decisions that have been taken in South Australia have been taken and they are permanent and what they have have put us on a path that's going to get there. So whether we have it as a policy or not, this kind of we're heading in this direction now, So actually that's a reasonable position to be able to put to people both in the country and in metropolitan Adelaide.
01:09:35
Speaker 4: The flip side argument, and it's one most forcefully within the Liberal Party though, is that they risk ending up sounding like they don't stand for anything. But there's no difference from them and labor. So where's the impetus for change?
01:09:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that there's other issues, you know. That's why you just need have a policy platform that's robust enough and three dimensional.
01:09:56
Speaker 4: Like if you tell you what though, the way he's going, Vincentazi might sue me. The vet Liberal leader in Australia, the old one, the wise head celebrating his fourteenth month in the job.
01:10:07
Speaker 2: David Penberthy and Will Gooding's five double a breakfast.
01:10:11
Speaker 27: In the criminal justice system, all defendants are innocent until proven guilty, either by confession, plea bargain or trial by jury. This is one of those trials.
01:10:24
Speaker 3: I'm putting a local government on trial this morning. They haven't had a great run, to be fair, the Holdfast Bay Council with the Jetti growed upgrade debarcle, the Mitcha mayor we spoke to the other day, having been went to Brazil at taxpayer's expense and being told that they're doing a wonderful job on climate change.
01:10:45
Speaker 4: Campbelltown sixty one million dollars for their new taj Mahal Campbelltown building the taj Mahal.
01:10:52
Speaker 3: We're asking you this morning, is it time to revisit the policy of council amalgamation. We have fewer councils. Yes or no. You could win yourself one hundred dollars sam Tas seafood voucher by calling in eight double two to three double o double oh. I spoke to someone yesterday that said, yep, councils are no good. But this is what you get.
01:11:12
Speaker 4: When people don't care about them, and people don't you don't vote on councils fault. How are we meant to know? You meant to stay up or not researching? You know the other thing, there's no transparency around it. At least when you vote in a state or federal election, you know which party people are in. That's right. You vote for all these councilors, you know Beryl Huntington Smith, and then you find out lay she's a member of hes Balah and you know you got no idea. Yeah, you've got no idea. Yeah, there is no transparency, that's too sure. Should they be amalgamated? Do we need fewer councils? Yes?
01:11:44
Speaker 1: Or no?
01:11:44
Speaker 4: Eight doable?
01:11:44
Speaker 3: Two three double o double. In the meantime, let's head to the next tier of government, up the state government for an update on the asbestos laden playsand that we did get an update late during the news last night. It was about six thirty I reckon seven years. We found out there where many more schools that had the sand will require cleaning. The Education Minister Blair boy joins us. Now, Minister, what is the latest, how many schools and what kind of disruption, if any, is that going to create?
01:12:13
Speaker 28: Yeah, so more than three hundred schools now, it's possible that figure grows again. You know, this stuff is so prevalent, not just in schools but in households as well. I was listening to your talk before about David's experience at office work seeing a line shells, and that's my experience too, and having visited one hundreds of schools over the last almost four years, certainly I've seen this kinetic sands very very often, so it's not surprising the number but of course it sets us a challenge in terms of being able to dispose of it all and where it's loose, having those contractors come in and do the deep clean. Currently only schools in South Australia that are closed are too special schools in the Catholic system. They made that decision because there was a bit more complex to move students away from the area in which it was loose so that deep clean could take place, so they decided to shut for a couple of days while that deep clean is done. We haven't needed to do that anywhere else to date. Is that a change is of course, will do the right thing and do that, but currently no disruption in terms of school closures other than those two special schools.
01:13:22
Speaker 4: I was talking Minister yesterday to my own two kids who are primary school age and they're upper primary now. They were saying that they've got it at their school. They're not that worried about it, but they said that they reckon it's like the KINDI level kids and the preps and also special needs kids who are more likely to use it. And we've had people too. This is where interested to know. If you've spoken to the minister for a disability on this too. We've had NDIS people contacting us this morning saying it's used a lot for young people and kids with sensory issues and so on. Is that a a right assessment that it's more likely very very young kids and kids with disabilities who have morel to use it.
01:14:09
Speaker 28: I think the way you describe it, yes, in those settings, there's no doubt about it is because it is a kind of sensory product, this kinetic sand.
01:14:16
Speaker 1: And I remember when I first.
01:14:17
Speaker 28: Saw it, it's quite a remarkable kind of thing. Setting aside the obvious question about how the hell this stuff managed to get into the country without anyone realizing it's full of asbestos. And I hope at some point, you know, we get around to a conversation nationally around how that happened. Your characterization is correct. The good thing is, I know we've been in our pains to say it's low risk. I heard an explanation this morning from a he's a molecular pharmacologist, doctor Ian Musgrave, but he said, unless you've got an industrial sand milling machine in your school, it's very unlike your children will be exposed to fibers. So that's the good news. But nonetheless I understand how people feel when you mentioned asbestos, and like you said, when it's very young kids or kids with disability who are using, we have to be very careful. So that's why we're following the safe work advice. You know, it's being bagged up, it's being disposed of, and where it's loose, we're having people actually who've got the specialist skills to clean it come in and do the deep claim.
01:15:12
Speaker 4: Mmmmm yeah, we'll stay on the story. Blair Boy, the Minister for Education, thank you for joining us.
01:15:17
Speaker 3: It's three minutes to way. Let's give O one hundreds with semtass seafoods. Now, we've got a jury that have convened andw have we got six durors in total casting their verdict with regard to counsel amalgamation.
01:15:30
Speaker 4: Is it time? During number one?
01:15:32
Speaker 12: Yes, it is.
01:15:33
Speaker 26: Time, Dave.
01:15:34
Speaker 8: That was an excellent interview with that lady, and more counsels should be a counter or how they spend ratepayers money. As a ratepayer, I'm sick of them wasting money. So let's join some councils together.
01:15:47
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you during the one During number two, good morning you're there. During number two. We can hear your indicators.
01:15:58
Speaker 25: Yeah, there you are, sorry about that.
01:16:01
Speaker 29: Listen. My view is yes, it's time to red late to have a council like the Brisbane City Council. Let's face it, the Brisbane City Council has a larger budget than all of the South Australian Government and it's time that it was done. End the story, and David, I'm waiting for you to interview Jane Lomac Smith and two about her wasting my rate player funds Joey overseas on George here, there and everywhere.
01:16:29
Speaker 4: Good you're number two, Thank you, you're number three. Good morning.
01:16:33
Speaker 20: Hi guys, I reckon downstids. Maybe start with because the real council for this day, what do you reckon?
01:16:38
Speaker 4: So you're you're a yes for amalgamations?
01:16:42
Speaker 25: Yes downstairs?
01:16:43
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, thank you. We've lost juring them before, so let's go to jour number five. Good morning, he's been amalgamated.
01:16:50
Speaker 30: Yes, definitely they need to amalga made. I'm from Tagsbahal Council area and why any body would build a performing art center that's gained a run at a continual loss is beyond me.
01:17:07
Speaker 4: So do you remember five, Thank you, remember six? Good morning.
01:17:11
Speaker 25: Definitely do something about them. David, your favorite council Campbelltown, and they are giving four hundred dollars vouchers to anybody who wants to buy an e bike.
01:17:23
Speaker 4: Well, that'll come in here anyway. That's nice, terrific an e bike, four hundred dollars, four.
01:17:29
Speaker 25: Hundred dollars vouchers if you want to buy an e bike?
01:17:31
Speaker 4: Is that an environmental thing? I guess, Oh.
01:17:34
Speaker 25: Want's to kick cars off the road so they don't repair the roads.
01:17:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, four hundred bucks magic money tree that they've got there tucked in mind. It's nice, it's nice.
01:17:46
Speaker 3: It's a nice transfer of wealth, isn't it Because the people that will never have a chance of affording an e bike aren't going to get there with four hundred bucks, so they subsidize those people who probably can't afford an e bike at some point in time.
01:17:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's excellent.
01:17:58
Speaker 3: That's a clean sweep, clean sweeps out of On the text line, there was a little bit of divergent view. Some people said, don't amalgamate, just delete. Others made the point that do we really want to be giving these same people moral authority, so a little bit of divergent view, but there was clearly consensus to make some sort of a change.
01:18:16
Speaker 4: Rob makes a good point. He says they should hold the next local government cop in downtown Juba in South Sedan and let's see how many people are committed in the environment. Then Breaking eight coming up next. You're gonna want to stick around with this one.
01:18:30
Speaker 2: David Penberthie and Will Gooding's five double a breakfast, Hey, but it's.
01:18:34
Speaker 3: After breaking at coming up in a moment, some veteran experience coming up on the program. The longest serving Fringe director outgoing Unfortunately, Heather Crow will be on to talk about her legacy at the Fringe and indeed her next job Carrick Hill, pretty nice place to to be working.
01:18:52
Speaker 4: Who are the longest serving impresarios in the history of theater? As she beaten Pt Barnhum, do you think we'll ask of that? Well, there you go, you'll know she was Brighten's up the room Header and then after thirty we're going to be speaking with the longest serving parliamentarian in South Australia, Tom Kurtz andtna's to the treasurer lots to discuss lots on the platter. You can add things to the agenda, of course, and in fact even call in if you'd luck and have a chat with him. Make double two three double double, or text in on the on the text lines before eight zero eight thirty ninety five, that would be handy. I haven't thought of any questions yet for the treasure, yep, so I could help. Well, never know where questions come from. They just sort of can't fall out of the sky. That's best not to ask, they just turn up. Well, we've brought you the story last week about the desperate attempts by the Stamford Grand, the most iconic hospitality business down at the Bay, to get some kind of relief from the Holdfast Bay Council for the economic impact it is suffering as a result of the Jetty Road upgrade. Well, since then, the whole Fast Bay Council made some statements through the media but also crucially some statements internally that were sort of casting doubt on the comments that had had been made in the first instance by the Stanford. Well, as we alluded to yesterday, we think that the Stanford has actually got the council completely on toast. Here we've had it confirmed that the Stanford is threatening to take legal action for what is effectively defamation against the Old Fast Bay Council for the Council having the temerity to suggest that when the story broke last week this was quote the first time council had heard from Stamford. Now, the problem the Council has got there is that there's documentary evidence showing that on no less than seven different occasions the Stamford emailed, wrote to or telephoned the Council seeking urgent help to address the economic hardship that its sustained. As this interminal project kicks on, we have the vice president of operations at Grand Hotels, Andrew Donodell, on the line for breaking it this morning. Andrew, good morning. This just seems to be compounding the problem. I mean, it's bad enough firstly that you wrote to the council and initially didn't get a reply at all. Then the reply that you finally got off the back of media attention was you're not getting any rent abatement. But then they have this sort of side of the mouth what I almost regard as a smear against your completely reputable business. But the Council has made a complete hashit.
01:21:36
Speaker 18: This, haven't they They really haven't. We just don't understand where the information is coming from. You reference some false information that was shared and a letter that we issued last week asking for a attraction and a formal apology, and that retraction was issued to the media. But even in that statement requesting the attraction, there was an inaccuracy shared there where the Council had mentioned that a meeting had been scheduled with Stanford Grant. No meeting had ever been scheduled. We had agreed to time that the Council had never followed through to acknowledge that.
01:22:10
Speaker 4: The other part of it that I think is extraordinary is that there was so there was a letter circulated among counselors and in their response to you so far Hoole fast Bay hasn't even acknowledged anything about this, but they circulated this letter saying this was the first time council had heard from Stamford. Now, as I said earlier, you actually contacted the council on October twenty eighth, and then again on November sixth, November seven, November ten, November eleven, November twelve, and you also made a phone call to them on November three.
01:22:45
Speaker 18: Yes, that's correct, and all of those were obviously to try and seek some kind of relief to schedule a meeting, but it took going to media for them to even listen to us and to acknowledge and to start replying. But they are paying.
01:23:00
Speaker 23: Now.
01:23:00
Speaker 1: We do have an open.
01:23:01
Speaker 18: Dialogue, which is great, but it shouldn't come to this. It shouldn't take going to the media for the Council to listen to repayers.
01:23:08
Speaker 4: Well, exactly, absolutely. And the other thing too, when you do have this meeting with the council, are you still going to attempt to get relief measures and compensation for the impact that you've sustained.
01:23:21
Speaker 18: Definitely, and not just for us. We're representing the community here. We'll be asking for compensation really for the Jedi Road businesses. Just yesterday another business went public thing that after thirty years have had to close their doors. I just wonder how many more small businesses will have to close before the counter acknowledges the impact and throws the lifeline.
01:23:41
Speaker 4: Yeah. More broadly, Andrew, have the businesses there been given any sort of hard finished date for this? Do you know how much longer it's going to go for?
01:23:52
Speaker 22: No?
01:23:52
Speaker 18: It keeps being extended. We get regular transforming Jetti road emails if you've had to subscribe to, where we get updates on new road closures and new timelines, and you know, we just have to follow those communications. Just on Thursday, we received one late in the afternoon saying that the main road leading to Stamford Grand was going to be closed for the two weeks. Now that's the only road where buses, coaches, large you know, food supplies can drop off deliveries to the hotel. So that didn't work for us. So we had to get in touch with the council.
01:24:26
Speaker 1: Which we did yesterday.
01:24:29
Speaker 18: And plead for them to change their mind on that or to find an alternative.
01:24:38
Speaker 4: How you make you got your chef trying to make the eggs Florentine has to walk two blocks to pick up the eggs and the spinach for the holandaise source and so forth.
01:24:48
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
01:24:53
Speaker 4: That none of them have ever run a business, don't you Well.
01:24:56
Speaker 18: I just don't think they've understood the impact that these decisions have on the businesses. Understand that work needs to be done, but speak to us find out what times would be the least impactful in our business. We'll come to the table. We understand that there's there's a gain here, there's a greater gainst the community, but you need to consult the community.
01:25:17
Speaker 4: I think, finally to Andrew that the fact that it's got to the point where you've had to take the dramatic option of threatening them with legal action if they don't address the falsehoods that they've peddled externally and internally, shows perhaps they're more worried about the way this is being perceived publicly than they are about dealing with the concerns of the businesses still trying to stay a flight on the street.
01:25:44
Speaker 18: I think you're right there, and going back to the fact that they only replied once we went to media, prove that. And I would request all small businesses to start speaking up and sharing their stories because the more we talk about this, the more likely it is that the council will take action.
01:26:00
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely good on you, Andrew. Andrew Donodell, the vice president of Operations at Grand Hotels. Glenelg was our happy places kids growing up. You know, our family restaurant was always the barbecue in I used to go with Uncle Bill Glenell Games down at the Bay. The side shows were still going in the seventies. I used to love going down there on a Saturday night with Mum and Dad. When I was older, there was a place that mates and I used to go through. The idea that anyone in the media would come in thinking let's just gleefully bag one of the most beloved places in the entire state. Is a patent nonsense because I know there's a view at the Council lo this is doing so much damage.
01:26:41
Speaker 3: To the perception of what it's doing. Damages people turn up and see it. Yeah, people were trying to run a business and live it.
01:26:47
Speaker 4: But we've got a standing invitation. Anytime the Mayor of hold Fast Bay wants to come on, she's more than welcome to and any business in Glenelg thinks that this is being handled well. Eight double two through double double five talk Director of the producers. We will put you to air. But when we are getting endless calls on the record and off the record from a vast number of businesses, like from the shoe shop to the the Yearos people, to the Loud Cow, to the Stanford to the Monte Zoomers like this just goes on and on and on. So if the council's got this idea that oh this is this is really damaging us, well we are all is. If anyone wants to come on and say this is great, we love it, we'll put you to air. We just haven't been able to find any of those people. Well, the thing, you know, when this finishes, the day that this should ever finish, and if there's still any businesses there when it does finish, we will happily go down there and cheer from the rooftops. Hooray for Jetti Road. Get everyone in South Australia to go to Glenelg. But at the moment there's nothing to celebrate because no one, no one. He's telling us that this has been done. The point is the ends don't justify the means. There are ways to do stage projects and do things that minimize disruption. This seems to be the opposite of that. And the giant, grand sized canary in the coal mine is this frankly flabbergasting situation where you've got a giant hotel chain going to war with a local suburban council. I struggle to think of that ever happening, but they might, they might have a stoush about building a hotel, but the idea that an established business, arguably the most important and biggest down there is having an open fight with the council is just the greatest sign to everyone of how badly this is being managed. How can they can to be so stupid? It's to be saying stampard, don't even know if they approached us the first time we've heard from them, apart from the other seven. It's just an appalling way to treat such an important client, isn't it.
01:28:58
Speaker 3: Well, maybe if you can't managed correspondence, you might struggle to manage major projects.
01:29:03
Speaker 2: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast twenty.
01:29:08
Speaker 4: Three minutes after right.
01:29:08
Speaker 3: Well, for as long as we've been doing this, this gig each and every year, we've had the pleasure during the lead up to the Adelaide Fringe and immediately thereafter speaking with the fringe director, Heather Kroll, Well, something very different is going to happen next year. We'll be chatting with a different fringe director because Heather has announced that she is stepping down to take over a role at the magnificent Carrick Hill morning to hear Heather Krohle, Congratulations on your remarkable eleven year stint as the Fringe director.
01:29:33
Speaker 31: Thank you so much. It's been an incredible decade. Amazing.
01:29:36
Speaker 4: It must be some sort of record.
01:29:39
Speaker 15: Yeah.
01:29:39
Speaker 31: I think the previous directors may have been four or five years maybe, Yeah, And so I think a lot of it.
01:29:49
Speaker 32: In the middle of it, we had the pandemic. If COVID hadn't come, you know, I may have done a five year stint, but then it was time to deal with COVID, and so that then that took over two or three years of how how we adapt and change the way we deliver the festival.
01:30:05
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, when you think back to the COVID days, and you were right in the thick of it, because when I broke in, there was it wasn't the Friday night street party, and you had health people running around going, oh.
01:30:15
Speaker 24: I know.
01:30:16
Speaker 31: We were right in the middle.
01:30:18
Speaker 4: And I mean, because it's the least COVID friendly thing you could mentione, isn't it.
01:30:22
Speaker 32: Well, I think people everywhere, everywhere, and so I think we you know, negotiated it really well with being allowed.
01:30:32
Speaker 31: To have limited people in the venue.
01:30:34
Speaker 32: So I think it was like every third seat or every second seat depending on what day and would have people would have to wouldn't be able to sit too close to each other. But there were still tens of thousands of people out and about.
01:30:46
Speaker 4: So what's the thing that that's changed the most about the Fringe in that eleven years that you were in charge.
01:30:51
Speaker 32: I think, just well, there's lots of change, but one of the things I'm so proud of is that the audience demographic just changed so much. Like it's now every no matter how old you are, you might be ten, you might be seventy. Every decade of age groups is represented. You go to the Fringe, there's three or four generations of families that are going out. And I just love that that everybody now sees Fringes there's something for them.
01:31:19
Speaker 4: The profile of the Fringegoer during two day teams at fourteen.
01:31:22
Speaker 32: I think it was, you know, a little bit more of a you know in between a sort of twenty to thirty, you know, that sort of It was seen as a bit of a young twenties and thirties year old festival. But working with so many artists and venues to bring back a lot of fringegoers that may have you know, gone off and had kids and not come back, and so we brought back lots of people who loved Fringe when they were younger. We also really expanded the kids program. There's so much more for kids now, so you really see grandparents and parents bringing kids along. And the other thing that we've worked really hard on is getting Fringe in the suburbs and the regions. So now Fringe is just everywhere, and that's so I guess we've just wanted to be more inclusive, more accessible. Last year, I think our surveys showed that one in every two people in South Australia went to a Fringe show.
01:32:20
Speaker 31: So it was amazing.
01:32:22
Speaker 32: You know, we just feel that the you know, we're so grateful to the audiences. They're so brilliant. They come out every year, don't know where they are a lot of the time, and they all just pour out. And then the other thing that's grown a lot is the tourists. And the tourists were about around about ten thousand tourists were coming when I first arrived. They were staying on average about one night, so maybe come on the weekend or something and last year we had about sixty thousand tourists staying an average of six or seven nights. So that is you know, massive, massive growth in terms of people from outside the state and outside the country coming in and spending their money here and going to see shows.
01:33:05
Speaker 4: So Carrick Hill, this is so exciting and we're just chatting off air. I don't think I reckon. The last time I went there was for a wedding in the nineteen nineties. When did you last go to carric Hill? Well, it's a great question. I'm not sure. It's a beautiful stuffs avenue, isn't it.
01:33:20
Speaker 32: For a lot of people, it's flying under the radar, I think, and I've the news, you know, as soon as the news came out that I was going to Carrot Hill, I did get a lot of phone calls from people saying exactly what you've just said. I haven't been there for years, and I think it's it's just time to really bring the profile up and remind everyone that we've got this amazing treasure. It's a real cultural treasure, not just for South Australia but for the whole nation.
01:33:48
Speaker 4: It's a humble now for the arts, it's used for classical music recitals, isn't it.
01:33:52
Speaker 32: I think there's a you know, obviously A partners with some festivals during the year and does some classical music show or different events, but they're not I think we've there's real opportunity to take that up to be a lot more year round and do a lot more during partnering with things like well with Fringe, with Festival, with Cabaret Festival, everyone, and getting more audiences in there and offering experiences that might include more lights and projections and telling the story of Carrick Hill but in a really modern way.
01:34:31
Speaker 4: Better make sure we don't get people of carric Hill against concert noise.
01:34:34
Speaker 31: For me, oh wow, we do lots of daytime stuff to begin with.
01:34:42
Speaker 4: Funny feeling our parts will cross a great again here because there'll be carry Hill events and so of course we didn't.
01:34:46
Speaker 31: Talk to you about, but you'd be live from Carrick Hill.
01:34:52
Speaker 3: That sounds fun, Breakfast. It's had a lot of fun talking to you over the journey though we've done a job with the Fringe. I think everything you've said about the democratization of and the family friendly nature of it you can see when you turn up at the venues at the moment. It's it's a wonderful legacy, hard act to follow for someone. Good luck in your next adventure and we'll chat with you sometime in the future.
01:35:11
Speaker 31: Thanks for always having me on. I really appreciate it.
01:35:14
Speaker 4: I think you turned it from an event that was an eight nine to one event into one that's also a thirty ninety five event, and that's a good thing.
01:35:20
Speaker 31: Thank you and you helped me. Thank you very much.
01:35:23
Speaker 4: We're going to take break five double A news is coming up The Treasurer, Tom Kurtzer turnus next David.
01:35:26
Speaker 2: Penberthy and Will Goodings five double A Breakfast twenty.
01:35:30
Speaker 4: Two minutes the night the Treasure of South Australia.
01:35:32
Speaker 3: Tom turnis in the five double A Breakfast studio with us, as he is every couple of weeks on a Tuesday morning, giving you the opportunity to ask questions. Some good ones coming through on the text on. We'll get to some of those. You can call in as well. An eight double two three double O double treasure. Good morning to you morning.
01:35:47
Speaker 4: Fellas So Treasurer. Can I ask you a question at the start? That's timely because we've spent a lot of time in the last past couple of days talking about local government councils and obviously in your former guy as Transport minister, that sort of buttered up against the Jetti road project because the roads that cross the tram line are all being fixed up at the same time, which is added to the dramas. Do you think that there's an argument for the state government to look at how many councils we have and also should there be more oversight over their expenditure of public money because there's only a finite amount of money, be it from rate payers, state tax payers. You know, other governments will tried in the past, ken it did in Victoria, tried to try to amalgamate the councils. Yeah, look, it's a quagmire.
01:36:37
Speaker 23: The moment you get into the amalgamation argument, you lose focus of why you want the amalgamation and the argument becomes solely about forcing residents to join with other councils. I think if you stay focused, laser focused on financial management and good planning, you get better outcomes. The moment the discussion becomes about something else, the councils will use that as a distraction to change the topic and all of a sudden, the mayor who's under fire for doing an unstaged, really unconsidered upgrade of gen Road that's killing businesses all of a sudden turns into we're not part of West Beach. Don't let don't let West Turrens Council take over a whole fast Bay. Well, don't let you know, Oko Paringa take over a whole fast Bay, and you lose. You lose the argument. I think if it's led by residents, that's different. But if government turns up and starts saying, all of a sudden, the whole Fast Bay is joining West Tyron's Council for greater efficiencies or joining Marion Council, the debate will be lost about why you want the amalgamation and it'll just become a terrible quagmire and fight about local.
01:37:41
Speaker 4: Communities in a broader sense, Dave, when it comes to the economics of it all. And I can remember when you were appointed as Treasurer a few months ago. I interviewed you for a piece for The Australian and you said that you regarded Peter mallenous because his government as a pro business government. When you see those businesses when you hear the stamp coming on our show, when you'd hear long standing restauranteurs saying people can't even park near our restaurant as a state government, do you ever think how should we sit by and watch this without intervening? Is there any way you could intervene?
01:38:16
Speaker 23: I drive past Jenni Road every week to have a look. Every Sunday, I go and have a look. You might not notice, Dave, but my parents had a chicken shop.
01:38:24
Speaker 4: On Jedti Road. Was that where the family chicken shop was?
01:38:28
Speaker 20: It was?
01:38:28
Speaker 23: Yes, it was next to the Haigs excuse me them on Jedi Road and I often go by and have a look because I grew up there basically on Jeddi Road and seeing what's happening, it's heartbreaking. I mean I eventually found a car park and I walked as far as I couldn't had a look and there was no one around, and it was heartbreaking. And I went and had a coff with my dad afterwards. He's ninety years old, and I said, I just went to Jedi Road and had a look and there's no one there. And I just told the story to Will about Brian Natley, who was the mayor when we had our chicken shop down there, and he would come past and expect all the local owners, and we had like a bitchman footpath at the front, and my day used to say to him, you're never going to fix that au He said, no, no way. If I have to fix that bitchman footpath, I have to close your shop for least ten days. So it was you know, sweat the asset hard. We've got the beach, make it look good. But the most important thing about Jety Road is the businesses. That's what makes it unique. It's not the road, it's the people there. Now, the question is when this work is finished, who's going to be left? Who will be there? And my fear is the people that they will trying to invest in won't survive.
01:39:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, yesterday had an interview with the author of some analysis by the Climate Energy Finance Group with regard to the Wirelessteel Works and the potential for Blue Scope to take over, and the argument they made was that over the course of the next decade there would be an extra two billion dollars worth of expenditure that would have to be paid for by governments, either state or federal to do two things, subsidize gas supply from Santos and build a one hundred and sixty k pipeline to transport gas too. Wiler making the point that this is going to be expensive business, and I think what came out in that argument actually was they wanted us to spend even more money to make it a greener solution, but could just get Firstly, is it going to cost us two extra billion dollars to get this blue scope bit over the line over the course of a decade, And secondly, is there a greener and better way to be doing it?
01:40:44
Speaker 23: Well, I mean the only way to remove the oxides from the iron oxide is with either with hydrogen, methane or metallogical coal. So currently in the blastpheros now we use molergical coal, which for every ton of iron we produce producers two tons of carbon oxide. When you use natural gas, for every ton of iron you produce, you make six hundred kilos of carbon dioxocides and dramatic reduction. And when you use hydrogen the byproducts water vapor. There was no electrical solution to beneficiating iron oxides to iron was just electricity. You need to have a reductant you need to actually remove the oxides, which is why it produces carbon dioxides. It's a basic chemical formula. So people here don't understand what we're attempting to do in Wyler. The reason why oler is so important is I'm not just interested in an electric art furnace. To make iron into steel. We've got to make iron out of our iron ore. We've got to mind iin the iron ore out of the ground and beneficiate it to iron, and then export that iron and make steel here. And that process requires at the very least gas. And anyone who thinks you can just electrify this whole thing misunderstands it. This is not a question of ideology, it's a question of chemistry. So we do need gas, and we are going to need gas, and it is going to be expensive. But we've already got basically a two billion dollar assistance package in place. We would expect to have a buyers Wyla. They'll get a port unincumbered port, they'll get the best magnetype resources anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere. They'll get an investment in a brand new direct iin reduction facility and electric arc firness from the fatual and state governments and if they are going to need more gas, which they will will assist, but we would expect them more. So they've got to pay for the gas, which will underwrite any new pipelines that are being built and any new upgrades to existing infrastructure.
01:42:41
Speaker 3: So just to be clear on that, then they so you're asserting they're wrong about alternatives, But what about the costing one point seven to two billion dollars over the course of ten years. How much of that is accounted for and what's been already apportioned to Whaler, and how much of that would be new expenditure.
01:42:56
Speaker 23: So what we've said is we've got two big dollars on the table basically for whoever buys Wyala. Now you know, within those we want to see people who are buying it, what are their plans. You will need to upgrade the latter with the gase on port period across to Waler, which carries gas. They need to have extra compression, and you might need to build a new one alongside just to get more gas to Wiler because Walo is gas constrained. Then you'll have to build a dri plant and electric arc furnace and upgrade the rolling mill. Of that two billion that's there, we would expect someone to put private capital in it as well, so they'll make their judgments about where to allocate that capital in agreement with us.
01:43:35
Speaker 4: Sure, but you're not expecting to have to spend more than the two billion dollars that's already a portion of the project.
01:43:39
Speaker 23: No, But I am expecting. I mean, I have got now seventeen and a half million dollar grant program out there to try and get more gas out the ground, So I am looking at how we can get more gas out. South Australia is a gas rich state, and what is causing electricity prices to be high here than they should be is the cost of gas. Fire turbines, firm our renewables because when they turn on during the peak, they are expensive because the gas is expensive. If you've got more gas, that means gas is cheap. If gas is cheap, electricity is cheap. And that's what we're attempting to do with our plan.
01:44:14
Speaker 4: So that the number might be right. Then if it just if it comes out of the grant program, it's still taxpayers incentivised.
01:44:19
Speaker 23: But I mean a dare I plant and itself is potentially up to two billion dollars an electric art furness on its own with all the associated infrastructure is and we're between two hundred and fifteen million to a billion dollars. So whoever buys this, the two billion dollars is not enough for the entire recapitalization. They're going to put their own money in as well. But just to give you your listeners a scope of the size of the value here, mister Gupta pulled out seven and a half billion dollars worth of iron ore.
01:44:47
Speaker 4: In seven years and set on the money over seas.
01:44:50
Speaker 23: The money overseas he pulled out five and a half billion.
01:44:54
Speaker 4: Dollars is still so service his debts. Yeah, so, I mean there is a lot of money the way.
01:45:00
Speaker 23: And if Gupta we had the right plan, if he had invested back in while at all those profits, we wouldn't be here talking about Wilder today. But instead he was trying to buy, you know, something off the back of a truck in Poland and the Czech Republic and trying to build up still assets in Europe.
01:45:19
Speaker 4: Just before we let you go, Treasurer. The Order General raised a bit of an eyebrow the other day about the projected cost of the Women's and Children's Hospital. There's a mid year economic review out. Is it next month?
01:45:33
Speaker 23: It'll be before Christmas? Yeah, do you think the expected cost of the hospital will change? Look, we've always said that escalation is a problem for us. I mean, one of the things that we're battling is the North South Corridor is basically this massive vacuum cleaner sucking up all the labor or the concrete, or the steel, or or the cost as pushing costs up for everyone. And I am concerned about the impact act of both of those projects going side by side, but I am relatively comfortable with the process. We've got to make sure we can keep the prices relatively close to where we want them budgeted for now. Can I guarantee that there won't be an escalation in costs? I think we've already publicly said no. It's be very, very difficult because of escalation. But we are working within a budget. We want to keep it within that budget.
01:46:20
Speaker 4: Because that figure is about two years old now, isn't it It is? Yeah? Three point two three point two yeah, m So it's a.
01:46:27
Speaker 23: Lot of money, three point two billion dollars. I mean, the look at your good hospital. Yeah, yeah, what did the RAH cost two point seven? Yeah, actually cost it costs one point seven billion dollars to build, but we booked it up as two point seven billion dollars with our interest costs and other costs that go with it as well.
01:46:44
Speaker 4: Hmmm, we'll catch up again seeing treasure of Tom Keithsontanius. Thank you for coming in.
01:46:48
Speaker 2: Thank you, David Penberthy and Will Gooding's five double a breakfast seven minutes to night.
01:46:53
Speaker 3: Let's look at the fuel situation. Better to be a member with RAA road service. We'll have a look at some of the cheap spots around town.
01:47:01
Speaker 4: The unlettered e.
01:47:03
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, you got clearviews, pretty good dollar fifty eight point nine. In fact, that's the best we've got. The mobile Hampstead Gardens dollar fifty nine point five. The BP ex Convenience Woodville North is at a dollar fifty nine point nine.
01:47:13
Speaker 4: Diesel is a.
01:47:14
Speaker 3: Back up over a dollar seventy everywhere. The mobile Hampstead Gardens the best pick of the bunch at a dollar seventy one point five.
01:47:21
Speaker 4: Will the last Liberal leaders standing please turn out the lights and news just to hand the Victorian Liberal leader who's lasted about as long as poor old Liz trust the Iceberg letters did. Brad Batton, there's a name that could be the tenth question on who wants to be a millionaire? Who led the Victorian Liberals for several months in twenty twenty five. He has been given the bum's rush, ousted in a spill this morning and replaced by the Shadow Treasurer who's become the first female leader of the Victorian Liberal Party, the Member for Q, Jess Wilson. Meanwhile, up the road in Sydney, the Liberal Party room is meeting today and there are growing roomors that Adelaide's own Kelly Sloan, the former TV journalist, very well regarded lovely person Kelly from Memory, is the member for vor Clues. I think vor Clues has got the highest average house price in Australia. It's where Malcolm Turnle's got his modest digs. Kelly Slang might knock off Mark Speakman as the Liberal leader there. As we said, Vincentazi is an absolutely oasis of stability Statesman the South Australia Liberal Party.
01:48:31
Speaker 3: So it's fascinating. There's a freshwater poll that the Herald Son have written about this boarding. Regarding the Victorian Liberal Party situation, their primary vote rose to three points thirty seven percent. Since the last election, Labor has dropped seven to thirty The two party preferred they have at fifty one forty nine, which on MI understanding isn't actually high enough to win based on the pendulum in Victoria, but still does represent a statistical lead at a time when the Victoria Liberal Parties are pretty unpopular around the country. I wonder if Brad Baton con count himself as a bit unlucky.
01:49:04
Speaker 4: Well. I think part of the problem he had was that tactically he sort of accidentally got out flanked dramatically by jacintre Alla when she suddenly woke up the other day and went, crike. This crime's fan getting serious because he'd been standing there for a year, going crime crime, crime, crime, crime, bail, bail, bail or bai l bail, machete attacks, knife attacks, look at what's happened at the broad Meadow supermarket. The ALP looked totally disconnected, totally indifferent and completely sort of woke on the whole crime issue. Suddenly Alan's advocating what would be the toughest some of the toughest juvenile offender laws in Australia, purely out of desperation to save a political hide. So suddenly Brad Batton's been standing there going, oh yeah, I agree with her, and I guess the other thing is too. Frankly, an empty chair would be getting polling fifty one forty nine against the Allen government and Victoria at the moment, given the state of the economy and Victoria the crime situation, taxation, there's not a whole lot of wins that the government could point to. I had a really good long chat with an old maide of mine at that party in Sydney on Friday night on Thursday night, my mate's retirement party. This bloke worked in the Adelaide media for a long time, in the State Bank days, and he was talking about how at the time he actually didn't like living in Adelaide because it just felt like Dodge City. It felt like all the young people were leaving, there was no investment. If there was a crane anywhere on the skyline, they'd put it on the front page of the Tisers saying, you know, vision of hope, you know, twenty jobs created. He said it was just desperate he's been living in Melbourne for the last thirty odd years. And he said to me, you know, I came to Adelaide about a month ago and I was just walking around the CBD and went and had lunch with some friends in Rundle Street and went to a couple of other bars down Peel Street and went to the wineries. And he said, Adelaide is so much nice and so much more livable than Melbourne. He said, it's like a complete switch. He said, the certain parts of Melbourne, like if you're hanging around you know, Colum Street, there's all the flash sort of versace stores and everything. You think nothing's changed. He said, you walk a few streets in any direction and it just looks dirty, doesn't feel safe.
01:51:21
Speaker 3: And he's a proud Melbourne in now. I know it's we're far past the time we cheer for hot house prices going up. But I was reading as we were talking earlier about the latest cotality figures and it tells a bit of that story about Melbourne's managed to suppress house price growth in part because of public policy that's seen townhouses and apartments be built. That said, though, have a listen to where it sits amongst the major cities in terms of growth, the fastest growing. This is just the month for the date for November. By the way, this is a Australia at the moment's crazy one point two percent house price have gone up in Perth. That's eighteen days. Brisbane zero point nine percent, Adelaide zero point eight percent, Sydney the monthly raider zero point eight percent, Melbourne zero point two quarter of the pace that Adelaide properties are gaining at the moment in a city of six million people.
01:52:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, in Australia, that's exactly right. Well at a time, Hey we didn't give away oh yeah, as one and the one hundred dollars SAM Test voucher. Best see if you're going to get anywhere in Australia, we'll other people at sam Test. During number five, you're like you Winny, congratulations See during number five stick around. Graham Goodings is on the way.
01:52:28
Speaker 3: Enjoy your Tuesday and we'll be back tomorrow morning from six o'clock.
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