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Welcome back to the Disciples Made Here podcast with your host Drew Sodestrom and Heather Hodson.
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Um, okay, for the past uh few episodes, we have been talking about the Discipleship Diamond.
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Um, it's kind of just our framework of how we think about how Jesus lived his life and how we want to move forward in making disciples, which we think is everybody's um mission.
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Okay.
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And so I do suggest if you can go back and listen to like the last three or four episodes, it will be helpful.
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Um, but you don't have to.
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Yeah, not a playbook, but a pathway.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is all the ways of Jesus.
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Yeah, it can't turn into like a checkbox thing, but this is just kind of a good framework for how we think about things.
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Um so we started with identifying.
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So we're we're praying and we're watching in the places that we already live and spend time, and we're and we're looking for people.
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Um, and what do we do with those people once we find them?
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Well, we invite them.
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We don't necessarily invite them to church, but we just invite them to do life with us, to to be our friends and and live alongside of us.
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And um, and then then we kind of talked about like, well, why?
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What are we inviting, why are we inviting them to do that?
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Well, it's because we are going to be imitating Jesus, and then they will start imitating us, who's imitating Jesus, and that is how discipleship kind of flows.
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Yeah.
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Um, and then we get to the last part, which for me is it's the fun part.
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I mean, I get that it's kind of scary and intimidating, but it's also amazing.
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And it's God's design.
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Follow me, and then I will send you to call other people to follow me with you.
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Um, and that's why I'm wearing this apron.
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Um, and you can wear your apron in the kitchen because decide make habits in the kitchen, but you can also wear it at Home Depot.
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This is my orange Home Depot apron.
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And so as we've walked this path to following Jesus, we're inviting people, imitate me as I imitate Christ.
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That's what Paul says over and over again.
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But then also I'm calling you to imitate me so that I can send you to go live this out in your places.
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So we say everyone has one, and then you have one, and then they have one.
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And so this is kind of a navigator's language, and I love the navigators was this, they're like a hundred-year organization now that was focused on life on life disciple making, living out the mission of God.
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And I love this quote from them.
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They say that you're actually not a disciple until your disciple makes a disciple.
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And I love that picture because if we're called to follow Jesus, then he calls us to not just follow but to be sent, then whoever's following with us has to do the same thing.
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And so, not out of duty or obligation, but out of joy.
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And so I just think that's a beautiful picture.
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Jesus spent so much of his time with the core disciples, developing them to send them.
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So we say the three, the 12, the 30, like he would send the 72, he'd send them out.
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But those 12 disciples, like, if you were doing a fantasy football draft, none of them would have made your list.
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Like, they're a bunch of knuckleheads.
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They're like, they're teenage boys, essentially, like, which I'm a fan of because I've got a few, but like, what does it mean to actually follow Jesus?
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It's this generational ministry, follow me.
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And so, man, I'm following guys like Todd, who follow guys like Wally.
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So, Wally to Todd to Drew to you, watching and listening with us to who?
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Who's following you as you follow Jesus?
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And then when Jesus tells us at his his ascension, he gathers the saints, he says, You're gonna be my witnesses in all of Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the ends of the earth, which in the United States were the ends of the earth.
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Right.
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Like that's how far away we are from Jerusalem.
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And so this is a very practical call for all of us.
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And so people are gonna follow us as we follow Jesus, and they're not just coming to church, but when they do, we just want them to come to Jesus.
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We're just trying to invite them into who Jesus is because there's more joy in him than anything else.
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Yeah, and this is the moment where disciple disciple making finally turns outwards, and you started as a follower, and then you become an inviter, and now you're a sender.
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Yeah.
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And so it just kind of flows through kind of the process over and over, um, and you get to release people like you were released.
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Yeah, this is how we multiply.
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Yeah.
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Um, but it does start with everyone has one.
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So you can always pull it back to that, like that initial thing.
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We did some, well, ChatGPT did some math for us, but essentially, like, if you if every if if I have a disciple every, you know, say six months, and then those disciples make a disciple every six months, in 12 years you get like 16 million disciples, which is like, yeah, wild.
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We're not even like looking for that necessarily, but just the point is you just start with one, and then that is just exponential.
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And that's why I think Jesus says the harvest is plentiful.
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There's millions, billions of people that God loves, and it can be overwhelming and heavy if you're like, all right, Heather, you're gonna make 16 million disciples.
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No, right.
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I'm just gonna disciple this person that God's inviting me in a relationship with, and but I am gonna call them.
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Don't just imitate me, but actually do imitate me.
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Imitate me as I imitate Christ, and now go.
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Yeah.
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That's all I'm doing.
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Yeah, is I'm going, and I'm trying to help people find their sweet spot.
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Even on this podcast, uh, again, I've been your pastor and a coach in a staff setting for a long time.
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My passion is helping people find their sweet spot because that's the places and spaces where God's already moving.
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I don't have to convince you to go there because you already want to be there.
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Yeah.
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And so when I think of a sweet spot, everything for me is a Venn diagram, and it's three circles that intersect in the middle.
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Um, so here's the three pictures, and again, we'll throw it in the show notes too.
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But think of one circle as need, one circle as gifting, and one circle is joyful kingdom purpose.
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Okay, and they're all coming together in the middle of the room.
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And at the center of that, that's a sweet spot.
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Need, gifting, and joyful purpose, right?
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And so when I think about that in my life and people I've walked with, uh, you need all three.
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If you don't have all three, then you're just feeling a little off, right?
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And you're like, okay, uh, need, gifting, purpose, and joy.
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So if you were joyful about something and gifted in that, like you're good at it, you have a gift and you really enjoy doing it, um, then I would call that a garage sale life.
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And what I mean is my grandpa sewed.
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Grandpa sewed would go to all the garage sales, he had so much fun, he loved it.
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He was actually really good at it, and sometimes he discovers something amazing.
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But for the most part, it's at a garage sale because it's rubbish.
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Nobody wants it.
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Nobody wants it.
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And so it wasn't really a sweet spot, it was a fun hobby.
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Things are sitting there unused.
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And so I would have to do it.
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There was joy in gifting, but there wasn't need.
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There wasn't a need.
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That's literally why it was being given away.
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Um, but if you have gifting and need, but not actually joy in something.
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Yeah.
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Like, like when I say need, I mean someone's gonna pay you for it.
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Right.
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Right?
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Like it's a need in the world, it's a yeah, exactly.
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So you're good at something and there's a high need for it, yeah, but you actually don't find joy.
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Right.
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You don't find purpose.
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Like I call that not a garage still, I call that golden handcuffs.
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Right, right.
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That is how I started feeling in nursing after 10 years.
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And and you're good at it, shift your mind.
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You can make a good living, but you're missing that other piece of the pie, that that kind of sweet spot.
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Or if you have need for something, so someone's willing to like pay you for it, yeah, and there's joy in it, but you're actually not good at it, you're also missing the mark.
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That's what I call golf.
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Like, I love golf.
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Um, I'm no good.
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So no one's ever gonna hire me to be on their scramble team or play on the two or anything like that.
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Like, I love golf, but it's just not my lane.
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And so what I'm trying to help people say is so what is your lane?
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What is your designed intersection of man?
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This is my my job.
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There's a need, I'm meeting a need, it's it's my occupation, but that is your ministry.
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And ideally, it's an intersection of need, joy, and something that you're actually really good at.
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And then you have this sweet spot that you can kind of develop and grow with.
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Yeah, and I've watched you this is like a thing for you.
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You love to help people find that sweet spot for them.
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And um it's it that's kind of where the you can do it, we can help kind of comes together.
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But innovation is about helping people find that sweet spot and then releasing them into it, not pushing them into it with pressure or or trying to be perfect about it, um, but with just permission to go do this on their end.
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And it's empowerment.
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That's what Jesus does in Acts 1.8.
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It's not just here's how the gospel is going to go to the United States of America, the ends of the earth.
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It's here's the power because when you're walking with me, you don't have the power to save.
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He's the Lord of the harvest.
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He's given us a great commission to go make disciples that we can't do.
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But then he says this, but my Holy Spirit's with you.
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And so when he says that in Acts 18, you'll be my witnesses, you'll go testify by the power of the Holy Spirit to go.
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And that's why we do like these aprons, right?
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He's wearing it for anyone listening, not watching, he's wearing a Home Depot.
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It's homemade, but Home Depot aprons.
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Yeah.
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But it's still we used a long time ago at church, but it says we had all of our greeters, like our guest service.
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I think I preached in this for maybe a month.
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So I made him wear it for today.
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You can do it, we can help.
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Yeah, right.
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And I love like if Home Depot gets it, why can't we get it?
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So my role as a disciple maker is to walk with you down the aisles and like to point out the tools and to cheer you on to help you build something that matters.
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Like even on our staff internal Slack channel, my title is not seeing your pastor, it's cheerleader.
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I want to cheer you on as you live out your sweet spot.
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Yeah, you do your thing and we'll help you, but we're not doing it for you, essentially.
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And um and if I do that, so often we try to tell people invite your friends to church.
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And that's a big time problem because disciple making is inviting people into your walk with Jesus, not to a location.
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It's this journey with Jesus as you follow Jesus.
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And sometimes I think we unintentionally, as the church, create systems and structures.
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And we talked about this months ago, yeah, where we we miss the mark.
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Like we've created what I would call lake churches, and we live in a lake community, and so I want the lake to be full.
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Don't misunderstand me.
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I want to be able to go on the lake, but we build dams and levees and we try to keep all the water in.
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Right.
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But the reality is I think Jesus calls us to be a river church.
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Yeah, water flows in and then it flows out, and it's kind of why we say a battleship church and not a cruise ship.
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Like we are here to equip you to go serve.
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Like Jesus doesn't say, get all the stuff and hoard onto it.
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He says, come be trained, come be equipped, and then go.
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You're empowered by the Holy Spirit, your family on mission, you're serving.
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We saw this in Luke two by two.
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Um, and if you're listening right now by yourself out in Arkansas, because we've got, you know, one of our favorite listeners.
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Yeah, we we see you, Pam.
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Um, we just want you to know, like, listen with somebody, pray, watch together.
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It's incredible to see how the Holy Spirit's empowering you and me and we to live on mission as a family, uh, the His family.
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And so again, we're gonna be starting that 21-day challenge in a couple of weeks.
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So pick up that so we can be starting that together, a family on mission set apart.
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Because if we're not, here's my fear: A, it's not as effective.
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Like it's just we're not actually reaching as many people as we can.
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But B, you're robbing your disciples of the joy of them making a disciple.
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Right.
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Like I I've said that before.
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I love our baptisms at vintage.
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I only disciple a fraction of and I only baptize a fraction of people because I'm only discipling a fraction of the people.
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It's whoever you're living with, you're living on mission, so it's not as effective, and we're robbing people the joy of what it means to actually be released by Jesus.
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Yeah, and if if you just like look at everything, it's just not the way Jesus did it.
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So it's just why would we do it differently?
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Why would we try and reinvent the wheel?
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He just if you look in the Bible, it's just clear how he goes about this.
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He releases the 72.
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Yeah, he releases this group of disciples to go make disciples and go forth, and and then they come back and they're they have all these stories and they're all excited, and and there's joy in that.
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And so we have to keep pushing that side of it.
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Um, and it's you see it in the woman at the well, too.
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She meets Jesus and then she has this encounter, and then she goes and she tells everybody she can about it, and she becomes like the first evangelist essentially.
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But she's released, and then it starts over in her place and spaces, and so again, that like method, the pathway of Jesus, where he invested in the 12, and then they went out and he always sent them out.
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And it does feel like life is a daily missions trip.
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He sends the 72 out like you're talking about, then they come back and they debrief.
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Right.
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And they're like, here's what we saw God do.
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And when you're living on mission, you realize you're desperate, you're dependent.
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Like, think about all the innovations of the world, all the creations of the world.
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They come because someone got to a point where they were frustrated or they weren't being effective.
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And to solve a problem.
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And what that means is again, we're not adding to the gospel, don't misunderstand me, but we're going to the places and spaces that Jesus says, I'm gonna go home and prepare a place for you.
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Now you guys go.
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We're not like it's the same mission, but in a new context.
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Here's what Jesus says in John 20.
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He says, As the Father sends me, so I'm now sending you.
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And so we're not like repeating Jesus' ministry.
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He does the work of the gospel.
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Yeah, he does the work of justification and sanctification, but he's sending us to extend that ministry from Jerusalem where he was to now where we are in Sacramento, California.
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This is this innovation language.
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It's the sending pattern that we see in the text.
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And he literally tells his disciples in John 14, and this was a verse I always struggle with as a kid, young in my faith.
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He says, Whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do, but greater works than these will he do.
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Right.
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Which is wild because he's saying, he's saying I'm doing big stuff and you're gonna do bigger stuff.
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Like, how's that even the biggest innovation?
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Which is where it gets like misunderstood.
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But think about that.
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He's entrusting us, these 12 knuckleheads, yeah, right?
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These very early, no one drafted them on their fantasy team, right?
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Yeah, he's entrusting them, you and me, with the gospel.
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And what he's saying is greater in scope and in reach because the spirit of him is in us and this global mission, and he's flowing through us.
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And so it is the spirit that will guide us.
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It's John 16, 13.
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When the spirit of truth comes upon you, he will guide you.
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That's the innovation language.
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Like you're gonna go desperate and dependent, not knowing all the answers, but knowing the answer, and he's gonna guide you in that.
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And so, are you gonna grow the kingdom totally?
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But also you're gonna grow your faith because you're gonna be like, I didn't know what I was doing with Sawyer today, but God sure did.
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Yeah, I didn't know what I was doing with Carson today, but God sure did.
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Yeah, or my baseball team or whatever that looks like.
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He's literally telling us, and you just look at the ways of Jesus, but look at the words of Jesus.
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He says in Matthew 9, new wine is put into fresh wineskins.
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Yeah, so wine now is in a bottle.
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So I have to like translate this in my mind, but like they used to put wine in these like skin bags, and then if they were old, they would crack apart.
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And so you couldn't put new wine in them, they would like break apart.
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So he's saying, same gospel, same goodness, same glory of the wine, but it's gonna look differently.
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The gospel, the message isn't changing.
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Yeah, put in.
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And it's gonna pour out of us, and it's this great paradigm language for us.
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Same goal, same mission.
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You can do it, and we can help you.
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Obviously, it's the Spirit of God, it's not this rigid preservation of a certain method.
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Fair.
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It is the gospel, the good news that is going out of us.
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And it's the Great Commission.
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He says, I will send you to go make disciples.
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Right, which when that's where we started this whole thing, and that's what it all comes back to is like the go make disciples.
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Well, go read Matthew 28.
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It's so clear, right?
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He doesn't specify how to go make disciples, but he does define for us what a disciple is, who we are in Christ, and what that looks like.
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But he says, now you go do it contextually, where you live, work, and play, across cultures, across generations.
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Like it's this small thing that is growing, and it is harvest is plentiful.
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It is this idea of a mustard seed.
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It's the 16 million that you just talked about.
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It's like this small thing that goes beyond us.
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The innovation includes trusting God in ways that we don't control.
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Yeah.
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And I know that's hard, at least for you and me, checklist people, but it's this humble participation with the king.
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And it's the king that said in his first call in Matthew 4, follow me and I'll make you fishers of men.
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Now, I'm not a fisher, uh, I'm a fisher of men.
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I like to eat fish, but my understanding of this is fishermen are constantly reading the tides.
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The tides change, the the water rises and it lowers.
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Like there's a built-in adaptability even to this context of follow me, and then you're gonna go desperate dependent, abiding in the spirit, and I'm gonna do this work through you.
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Yeah, so we get to help people discover and sharpen their gifts and come back to the same question every time.
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Who's your one?
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Who are you investing in?
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Where is this all starting?
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And we just kind of keep circling around, kind of in in over and over.
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Um, and just I think the main thing is like, don't let it stall.
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Right.
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Um, don't get discouraged.
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You just keep showing up.
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And part of what's fun about like running the diamond every day of my life, right?
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Is that I have different people that are in different spots.
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Exactly.
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You're a different phase.
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And it doesn't ever stall because the spirit of God is moving.
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Yeah.
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And so it's like when I say that prayer is the work, part of what I love is every day I'm waking up, God, what invited me into.
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Exactly.
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Every day my alarm goes off, you can become muscle memory.
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Yeah.
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And you start to do it a little bit more naturally the more you do it.
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So it's so you can kind of get stuck in this of like it sounds really formulaic, and it's really not like you don't want it to end up becoming formulaic.
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No, and it's super discovery driven, right?
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Like we talked about the Easter eggs a long time ago, right?
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Or the white rodeos.
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Right.
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If every morning I'm waking up, and then I'm just seeing my ordinary life as as in the hands of an extraordinary God.
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Right.
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I'm seeing that the harvest is plentiful.
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I'm seeing that just one can lead to this and this and this.
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16 million.
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I have no clue what that one random conversation, because it's not random, it's it's it's the spirit that's leading and guiding.
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And so for me, like I've never been called to make disciples of the ballet because my daughter and my boys never did ballet.
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But it does feel like I've been called to make disciples of the ball field because my boys love baseball.
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And so that was a real thing.
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It's like what I was telling about Rory last week, right?
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Where it's like, this is what God's doing, God's opening the doors, and they really are everywhere.
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And so every new team is a new opportunity, every new home, every new job.
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Like, if we can rethink our thinking, the Spirit of God rests in us, He's leading us, and He's pouring out of us to other people.
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So when I moved here after investing for years in Southern California, that was hard because I'm like, oh, my prey watch relationships are changing.
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I'm starting over.
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And I can be like, oh, sad.
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Or I can remember he's the Lord of the harvest.
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My job's just to sew as I go.
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Yeah.
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So the new baseball team, we prayed as a family.
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All right, God, like this is your baseball team.
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Yeah, we were the angels because we moved to Northern California.
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We were the giants down there, the angels here.
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Um, and it was cool.
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I asked my brother-in-law to coach with me.
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He didn't have any kids on the team, but I had just done that with Rory, and I was seeing this was a space for disciple making.
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Got it.
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For people that were far from God or yet to believe or young in their faith, join me.
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And I that first team, it was incredible.
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And you know this.
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Like I've done four or five funerals from that first team of dads, and so you don't know in that moment what's gonna happen a decade later.
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Um, Rob, one of my buddies, and again, his story of conversion was radical.
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Uh, again, didn't necessarily know what he was missing in Jesus.
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And there were multiple people from our little launch team when we planted this church that were loving him and pointing to Jesus.
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He gets diagnosed with cancer, and he meets Jesus face to face, and it's heartbreaking.
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The effects of the fall and sin and cancer, like I want a new body, it's heartbreaking.
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But also, Rob gave his life to Christ, and Rob walked through that in such a way that he's like, Look, I I hate this, but also I have more joy in Jesus.
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Uh in fact, his his son, Luke, is now a young adult because that was a long time ago, and he was at young adults the other day.
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Uh, I was speaking at, and it's amazing to see the fruit of Rob's faith to his bride, to his babies, to me.
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Um, and so just don't minimize your baseball team.
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Yeah, like what a huge opportunity.
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Um, Blair was another guy that again, God reflected his love to Blair, and through Blair, Justin was the guy I told you about that was like, hey, if I'm not on your prey, watch this, you'd be a jerk.
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Uh you know, Will, he's still curious.
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He hasn't given his life to Christ per se, but he's wrestled with this faith and he's like, All right, this is exciting.
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And another guy just recently going through a divorce, and he's like, Who is God?
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What is God doing?
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Like, all of these are relationships that are hopefully are not about inviting them to church on a Sunday, but inviting them to Jesus.
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And it doesn't happen fast.
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Like this was decades.
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Right.
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And those all started just from a simple baseball team.
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So it's like just take the little things that God is already putting in your life and see what happens.
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And it's just don't ever miss that.
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It's incredible, it's powerful.
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Yeah, and none of it happened alone in isolation either.
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Um, there's like so much power in pray watch overlap and and community with your family, with your church, with you know, every every place that you get put.
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Everyday life, everyday moments.
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And this is what we see in that pattern, that pathway of Jesus, right?
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Identify, invite, imitate, and innovate.
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Just keep walking with Jesus as he walks with us.
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So in the Gospels, he says, come and see, that's identify.
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Yeah, then he says, follow me, that's invite, invite in a relationship.
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Then he says, learn from me, imitate me.
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And that wasn't a quick hitter, that wasn't a class, that was a camping trade.
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Three years of spending time with those men.
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Learning, transforming, uh, not just doing, but being like Jesus.
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And then the last thing this week, of course, is innovate.
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As the Father sends me, I'm sending you.
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Come and see, follow me, learn from me.
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As the father sends me, I'm sending you.
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So that that's those four parts of the diamond.
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That first one then is just pray.
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Just every morning wake up saying, God, who are the people that you've put in my life?
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That's that pray watch list.
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Who are the people that I am sent to because I see them at pickup, I see them at the sports field, I see them at my job, write their names down, set that alarm.
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So at 9:38, when that alarm goes off every day, you're like, you're the Lord of the harvest.
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I can give you this day everyone and everything.
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But I'm asking you, Lord, do a work in my baseball team, do a work in my family, do a work at my at my work.
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That's what the pray watch list is.
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Do a work in these people's lives for your glory.
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Yeah.
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And then once those people are kind of revealed to you, then invite them.
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Who have you asked to journey with you?
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Who, where have you invited them?
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What are you doing with them?
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Um, what are you doing to engage in that relationship?
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I love that.
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And then, of course, not just invite them with you, but call them to imitate Christ as you imitate Christ.
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That proximity and participation is key, right?
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That's where imitation comes from.
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That partnership in the gospel, like you're a kingdom laborer.
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That's what I'm telling the Rories of the world, right?
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You're a kingdom laborer.
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Right.
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I'm giving you permission to say, the Spirit of God's in me.
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Now go live this out.
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And that's the innovation part.
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The permission's been granted, not by me, but by God Almighty.
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Yeah, and then it's it's innovate, and you're releasing the disciples to go disciple others and so on and so forth.
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And innovation is just that faithful obedience.
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Yeah.
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Every day.
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Again, I think it's so easy, especially for me to be like, what's the big thing?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right.
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All the little things.
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It's why, like, for us on a gathering, a Sunday gathering of all the saints, when we come together, we clap at the end because we think we're breaking huddle to go storm the gates of hell.
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And sometimes the battle is just in faithfulness.
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It's just in showing up.
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Um, we're not innovating to be impressive.
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Yeah, I think that's a big one.
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Yeah, I I don't even want you to see me.
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I want you to see Jesus in me.
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We innovate because Jesus entrusted us with his mission and then he empowered us by his spirit.
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In fact, if you see that pattern not just in Jesus, go back to the beginning of the book in Genesis.
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Regularly, you see that every sending in strip in scripture really includes four things.
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It includes a call, it includes a commission, it includes his presence, and it includes his power.
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And so I would I would like to encourage you, think about those things like Moses' life, Joshua's life.
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They were called, they were set apart.
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Here's the mission.
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Uh-huh.
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Now you're commissioned by the presence of God, and you've been given the power of God.
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We don't have the power to make disciples, but God in us does.
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Yeah.
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And that's just like you say all the time, it's freeing.
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It's freeing.
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It's surrender.
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Yes.
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It's it's Moses.
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It's Joshua.
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It's the prophets.
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It's Jesus.
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And then Jesus gives that permission and power of the Spirit of God to the church.
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Um and so may we continue to live that out.
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Yeah.
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And just keep showing up.
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Yeah.
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So the call to action is really just keep doing the same things that you're already doing.
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Like you don't even have to find something new or find somebody.
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Just go where you're already going.
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Um and have your eyes open and be praying for that.
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Um and then when you get stuck, have somebody that you can follow.
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So, you know, have somebody in your life that's further along in this.
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Um, and if you don't have that, you have us and send us questions, send us DMs, whatever you got.
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Um because I get to ask Drew, I get to ask Jen.
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I get to do this with people who are in it with me, but also have been doing it longer than me.
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And I think that's super um important.
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So um we want to be as much of that as we can.
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What's fun now for me, of course, is to watch you do it with others.
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Right.
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And now they would say, and I have a Heather, and I have a Wes.
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Right.
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And I and it's just such a gift to see his kingdom come everywhere we go.
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Yeah.
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Like he's leading us.
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We're just being faithful to follow, but he also, in his leading of us, is sending us to go live this out.
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And so don't forget, next week we're gonna be starting that 21-day challenge.
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As you can go grab the book at Amazon.
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Uh, again, if you're like me and you like the word free, uh, you can download an option, like Heather said last time.
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We just want you to be able to like write in it and journal in it because it's designed to be used.
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It's like a little hundred percent.
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But for us, like we called our church Grace because Grace is free.
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Um, so everything we're doing here at Disciples Made Here is to help you, empower you, equip you so that again, you realize that you can do it.
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Like you can do it, and we can help by encouraging you, by cheering you on.
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But it's imperative that we understand that even more important than free, as much as I like a good deal, this is meaningful.
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This is eternal.
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Yeah.
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When you actually live your life intentionally, this isn't about growing a church or a platform.
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This is about his kingdom come and his will be done, not just to you, but through you as you continue to live out the gospel and innovate wherever it is that you live, work, and play.
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We love you guys.
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Welcome back to the Disciples Made Here podcast with your host Drew Sodestrom and Heather Hodson.
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Um, okay, for the past uh few episodes, we have been talking about the Discipleship Diamond.
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Um, it's kind of just our framework of how we think about how Jesus lived his life and how we want to move forward in making disciples, which we think is everybody's um mission.
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Okay.
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And so I do suggest if you can go back and listen to like the last three or four episodes, it will be helpful.
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Um, but you don't have to.
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Yeah, not a playbook, but a pathway.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is all the ways of Jesus.
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Yeah, it can't turn into like a checkbox thing, but this is just kind of a good framework for how we think about things.
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Um so we started with identifying.
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So we're we're praying and we're watching in the places that we already live and spend time, and we're and we're looking for people.
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Um, and what do we do with those people once we find them?
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Well, we invite them.
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We don't necessarily invite them to church, but we just invite them to do life with us, to to be our friends and and live alongside of us.
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And um, and then then we kind of talked about like, well, why?
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What are we inviting, why are we inviting them to do that?
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Well, it's because we are going to be imitating Jesus, and then they will start imitating us, who's imitating Jesus, and that is how discipleship kind of flows.
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Yeah.
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Um, and then we get to the last part, which for me is it's the fun part.
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I mean, I get that it's kind of scary and intimidating, but it's also amazing.
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And it's God's design.
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Follow me, and then I will send you to call other people to follow me with you.
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Um, and that's why I'm wearing this apron.
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Um, and you can wear your apron in the kitchen because decide make habits in the kitchen, but you can also wear it at Home Depot.
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This is my orange Home Depot apron.
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And so as we've walked this path to following Jesus, we're inviting people, imitate me as I imitate Christ.
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That's what Paul says over and over again.
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But then also I'm calling you to imitate me so that I can send you to go live this out in your places.
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So we say everyone has one, and then you have one, and then they have one.
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And so this is kind of a navigator's language, and I love the navigators was this, they're like a hundred-year organization now that was focused on life on life disciple making, living out the mission of God.
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And I love this quote from them.
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They say that you're actually not a disciple until your disciple makes a disciple.
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And I love that picture because if we're called to follow Jesus, then he calls us to not just follow but to be sent, then whoever's following with us has to do the same thing.
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And so, not out of duty or obligation, but out of joy.
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And so I just think that's a beautiful picture.
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Jesus spent so much of his time with the core disciples, developing them to send them.
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So we say the three, the 12, the 30, like he would send the 72, he'd send them out.
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But those 12 disciples, like, if you were doing a fantasy football draft, none of them would have made your list.
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Like, they're a bunch of knuckleheads.
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They're like, they're teenage boys, essentially, like, which I'm a fan of because I've got a few, but like, what does it mean to actually follow Jesus?
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It's this generational ministry, follow me.
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And so, man, I'm following guys like Todd, who follow guys like Wally.
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So, Wally to Todd to Drew to you, watching and listening with us to who?
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Who's following you as you follow Jesus?
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And then when Jesus tells us at his his ascension, he gathers the saints, he says, You're gonna be my witnesses in all of Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the ends of the earth, which in the United States were the ends of the earth.
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Right.
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Like that's how far away we are from Jerusalem.
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And so this is a very practical call for all of us.
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And so people are gonna follow us as we follow Jesus, and they're not just coming to church, but when they do, we just want them to come to Jesus.
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We're just trying to invite them into who Jesus is because there's more joy in him than anything else.
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Yeah, and this is the moment where disciple disciple making finally turns outwards, and you started as a follower, and then you become an inviter, and now you're a sender.
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Yeah.
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And so it just kind of flows through kind of the process over and over, um, and you get to release people like you were released.
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Yeah, this is how we multiply.
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Yeah.
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Um, but it does start with everyone has one.
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So you can always pull it back to that, like that initial thing.
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We did some, well, ChatGPT did some math for us, but essentially, like, if you if every if if I have a disciple every, you know, say six months, and then those disciples make a disciple every six months, in 12 years you get like 16 million disciples, which is like, yeah, wild.
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We're not even like looking for that necessarily, but just the point is you just start with one, and then that is just exponential.
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And that's why I think Jesus says the harvest is plentiful.
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There's millions, billions of people that God loves, and it can be overwhelming and heavy if you're like, all right, Heather, you're gonna make 16 million disciples.
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No, right.
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I'm just gonna disciple this person that God's inviting me in a relationship with, and but I am gonna call them.
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Don't just imitate me, but actually do imitate me.
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Imitate me as I imitate Christ, and now go.
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Yeah.
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That's all I'm doing.
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Yeah, is I'm going, and I'm trying to help people find their sweet spot.
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Even on this podcast, uh, again, I've been your pastor and a coach in a staff setting for a long time.
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My passion is helping people find their sweet spot because that's the places and spaces where God's already moving.
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I don't have to convince you to go there because you already want to be there.
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Yeah.
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And so when I think of a sweet spot, everything for me is a Venn diagram, and it's three circles that intersect in the middle.
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Um, so here's the three pictures, and again, we'll throw it in the show notes too.
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But think of one circle as need, one circle as gifting, and one circle is joyful kingdom purpose.
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Okay, and they're all coming together in the middle of the room.
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And at the center of that, that's a sweet spot.
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Need, gifting, and joyful purpose, right?
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And so when I think about that in my life and people I've walked with, uh, you need all three.
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If you don't have all three, then you're just feeling a little off, right?
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And you're like, okay, uh, need, gifting, purpose, and joy.
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So if you were joyful about something and gifted in that, like you're good at it, you have a gift and you really enjoy doing it, um, then I would call that a garage sale life.
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And what I mean is my grandpa sewed.
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Grandpa sewed would go to all the garage sales, he had so much fun, he loved it.
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He was actually really good at it, and sometimes he discovers something amazing.
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But for the most part, it's at a garage sale because it's rubbish.
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Nobody wants it.
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Nobody wants it.
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And so it wasn't really a sweet spot, it was a fun hobby.
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Things are sitting there unused.
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And so I would have to do it.
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There was joy in gifting, but there wasn't need.
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There wasn't a need.
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That's literally why it was being given away.
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Um, but if you have gifting and need, but not actually joy in something.
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Yeah.
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Like, like when I say need, I mean someone's gonna pay you for it.
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Right.
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Right?
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Like it's a need in the world, it's a yeah, exactly.
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So you're good at something and there's a high need for it, yeah, but you actually don't find joy.
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Right.
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You don't find purpose.
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Like I call that not a garage still, I call that golden handcuffs.
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Right, right.
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That is how I started feeling in nursing after 10 years.
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And and you're good at it, shift your mind.
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You can make a good living, but you're missing that other piece of the pie, that that kind of sweet spot.
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Or if you have need for something, so someone's willing to like pay you for it, yeah, and there's joy in it, but you're actually not good at it, you're also missing the mark.
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That's what I call golf.
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Like, I love golf.
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Um, I'm no good.
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So no one's ever gonna hire me to be on their scramble team or play on the two or anything like that.
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Like, I love golf, but it's just not my lane.
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And so what I'm trying to help people say is so what is your lane?
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What is your designed intersection of man?
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This is my my job.
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There's a need, I'm meeting a need, it's it's my occupation, but that is your ministry.
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And ideally, it's an intersection of need, joy, and something that you're actually really good at.
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And then you have this sweet spot that you can kind of develop and grow with.
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Yeah, and I've watched you this is like a thing for you.
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You love to help people find that sweet spot for them.
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And um it's it that's kind of where the you can do it, we can help kind of comes together.
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But innovation is about helping people find that sweet spot and then releasing them into it, not pushing them into it with pressure or or trying to be perfect about it, um, but with just permission to go do this on their end.
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And it's empowerment.
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That's what Jesus does in Acts 1.8.
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It's not just here's how the gospel is going to go to the United States of America, the ends of the earth.
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It's here's the power because when you're walking with me, you don't have the power to save.
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He's the Lord of the harvest.
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He's given us a great commission to go make disciples that we can't do.
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But then he says this, but my Holy Spirit's with you.
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And so when he says that in Acts 18, you'll be my witnesses, you'll go testify by the power of the Holy Spirit to go.
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And that's why we do like these aprons, right?
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He's wearing it for anyone listening, not watching, he's wearing a Home Depot.
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It's homemade, but Home Depot aprons.
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Yeah.
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But it's still we used a long time ago at church, but it says we had all of our greeters, like our guest service.
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I think I preached in this for maybe a month.
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So I made him wear it for today.
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You can do it, we can help.
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Yeah, right.
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And I love like if Home Depot gets it, why can't we get it?
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So my role as a disciple maker is to walk with you down the aisles and like to point out the tools and to cheer you on to help you build something that matters.
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Like even on our staff internal Slack channel, my title is not seeing your pastor, it's cheerleader.
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I want to cheer you on as you live out your sweet spot.
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Yeah, you do your thing and we'll help you, but we're not doing it for you, essentially.
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And um and if I do that, so often we try to tell people invite your friends to church.
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And that's a big time problem because disciple making is inviting people into your walk with Jesus, not to a location.
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It's this journey with Jesus as you follow Jesus.
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And sometimes I think we unintentionally, as the church, create systems and structures.
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And we talked about this months ago, yeah, where we we miss the mark.
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Like we've created what I would call lake churches, and we live in a lake community, and so I want the lake to be full.
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Don't misunderstand me.
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I want to be able to go on the lake, but we build dams and levees and we try to keep all the water in.
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Right.
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But the reality is I think Jesus calls us to be a river church.
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Yeah, water flows in and then it flows out, and it's kind of why we say a battleship church and not a cruise ship.
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Like we are here to equip you to go serve.
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Like Jesus doesn't say, get all the stuff and hoard onto it.
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He says, come be trained, come be equipped, and then go.
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You're empowered by the Holy Spirit, your family on mission, you're serving.
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We saw this in Luke two by two.
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Um, and if you're listening right now by yourself out in Arkansas, because we've got, you know, one of our favorite listeners.
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Yeah, we we see you, Pam.
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Um, we just want you to know, like, listen with somebody, pray, watch together.
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It's incredible to see how the Holy Spirit's empowering you and me and we to live on mission as a family, uh, the His family.
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And so again, we're gonna be starting that 21-day challenge in a couple of weeks.
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So pick up that so we can be starting that together, a family on mission set apart.
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Because if we're not, here's my fear: A, it's not as effective.
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Like it's just we're not actually reaching as many people as we can.
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But B, you're robbing your disciples of the joy of them making a disciple.
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Right.
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Like I I've said that before.
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I love our baptisms at vintage.
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I only disciple a fraction of and I only baptize a fraction of people because I'm only discipling a fraction of the people.
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It's whoever you're living with, you're living on mission, so it's not as effective, and we're robbing people the joy of what it means to actually be released by Jesus.
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Yeah, and if if you just like look at everything, it's just not the way Jesus did it.
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So it's just why would we do it differently?
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Why would we try and reinvent the wheel?
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He just if you look in the Bible, it's just clear how he goes about this.
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He releases the 72.
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Yeah, he releases this group of disciples to go make disciples and go forth, and and then they come back and they're they have all these stories and they're all excited, and and there's joy in that.
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And so we have to keep pushing that side of it.
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Um, and it's you see it in the woman at the well, too.
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She meets Jesus and then she has this encounter, and then she goes and she tells everybody she can about it, and she becomes like the first evangelist essentially.
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But she's released, and then it starts over in her place and spaces, and so again, that like method, the pathway of Jesus, where he invested in the 12, and then they went out and he always sent them out.
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And it does feel like life is a daily missions trip.
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He sends the 72 out like you're talking about, then they come back and they debrief.
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Right.
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And they're like, here's what we saw God do.
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And when you're living on mission, you realize you're desperate, you're dependent.
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Like, think about all the innovations of the world, all the creations of the world.
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They come because someone got to a point where they were frustrated or they weren't being effective.
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And to solve a problem.
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And what that means is again, we're not adding to the gospel, don't misunderstand me, but we're going to the places and spaces that Jesus says, I'm gonna go home and prepare a place for you.
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Now you guys go.
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We're not like it's the same mission, but in a new context.
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Here's what Jesus says in John 20.
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He says, As the Father sends me, so I'm now sending you.
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And so we're not like repeating Jesus' ministry.
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He does the work of the gospel.
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Yeah, he does the work of justification and sanctification, but he's sending us to extend that ministry from Jerusalem where he was to now where we are in Sacramento, California.
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This is this innovation language.
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It's the sending pattern that we see in the text.
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And he literally tells his disciples in John 14, and this was a verse I always struggle with as a kid, young in my faith.
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He says, Whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do, but greater works than these will he do.
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Right.
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Which is wild because he's saying, he's saying I'm doing big stuff and you're gonna do bigger stuff.
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Like, how's that even the biggest innovation?
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Which is where it gets like misunderstood.
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But think about that.
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He's entrusting us, these 12 knuckleheads, yeah, right?
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These very early, no one drafted them on their fantasy team, right?
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Yeah, he's entrusting them, you and me, with the gospel.
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And what he's saying is greater in scope and in reach because the spirit of him is in us and this global mission, and he's flowing through us.
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And so it is the spirit that will guide us.
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It's John 16, 13.
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When the spirit of truth comes upon you, he will guide you.
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That's the innovation language.
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Like you're gonna go desperate and dependent, not knowing all the answers, but knowing the answer, and he's gonna guide you in that.
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And so, are you gonna grow the kingdom totally?
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But also you're gonna grow your faith because you're gonna be like, I didn't know what I was doing with Sawyer today, but God sure did.
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Yeah, I didn't know what I was doing with Carson today, but God sure did.
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Yeah, or my baseball team or whatever that looks like.
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He's literally telling us, and you just look at the ways of Jesus, but look at the words of Jesus.
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He says in Matthew 9, new wine is put into fresh wineskins.
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Yeah, so wine now is in a bottle.
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So I have to like translate this in my mind, but like they used to put wine in these like skin bags, and then if they were old, they would crack apart.
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And so you couldn't put new wine in them, they would like break apart.
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So he's saying, same gospel, same goodness, same glory of the wine, but it's gonna look differently.
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The gospel, the message isn't changing.
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Yeah, put in.
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And it's gonna pour out of us, and it's this great paradigm language for us.
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Same goal, same mission.
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You can do it, and we can help you.
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Obviously, it's the Spirit of God, it's not this rigid preservation of a certain method.
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Fair.
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It is the gospel, the good news that is going out of us.
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And it's the Great Commission.
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He says, I will send you to go make disciples.
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Right, which when that's where we started this whole thing, and that's what it all comes back to is like the go make disciples.
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Well, go read Matthew 28.
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It's so clear, right?
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He doesn't specify how to go make disciples, but he does define for us what a disciple is, who we are in Christ, and what that looks like.
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But he says, now you go do it contextually, where you live, work, and play, across cultures, across generations.
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Like it's this small thing that is growing, and it is harvest is plentiful.
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It is this idea of a mustard seed.
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It's the 16 million that you just talked about.
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It's like this small thing that goes beyond us.
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The innovation includes trusting God in ways that we don't control.
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Yeah.
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And I know that's hard, at least for you and me, checklist people, but it's this humble participation with the king.
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And it's the king that said in his first call in Matthew 4, follow me and I'll make you fishers of men.
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Now, I'm not a fisher, uh, I'm a fisher of men.
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I like to eat fish, but my understanding of this is fishermen are constantly reading the tides.
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The tides change, the the water rises and it lowers.
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Like there's a built-in adaptability even to this context of follow me, and then you're gonna go desperate dependent, abiding in the spirit, and I'm gonna do this work through you.
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Yeah, so we get to help people discover and sharpen their gifts and come back to the same question every time.
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Who's your one?
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Who are you investing in?
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Where is this all starting?
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And we just kind of keep circling around, kind of in in over and over.
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Um, and just I think the main thing is like, don't let it stall.
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Right.
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Um, don't get discouraged.
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You just keep showing up.
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And part of what's fun about like running the diamond every day of my life, right?
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Is that I have different people that are in different spots.
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Exactly.
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You're a different phase.
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And it doesn't ever stall because the spirit of God is moving.
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Yeah.
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And so it's like when I say that prayer is the work, part of what I love is every day I'm waking up, God, what invited me into.
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Exactly.
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Every day my alarm goes off, you can become muscle memory.
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Yeah.
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And you start to do it a little bit more naturally the more you do it.
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So it's so you can kind of get stuck in this of like it sounds really formulaic, and it's really not like you don't want it to end up becoming formulaic.
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No, and it's super discovery driven, right?
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Like we talked about the Easter eggs a long time ago, right?
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Or the white rodeos.
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Right.
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If every morning I'm waking up, and then I'm just seeing my ordinary life as as in the hands of an extraordinary God.
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Right.
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I'm seeing that the harvest is plentiful.
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I'm seeing that just one can lead to this and this and this.
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16 million.
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I have no clue what that one random conversation, because it's not random, it's it's it's the spirit that's leading and guiding.
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And so for me, like I've never been called to make disciples of the ballet because my daughter and my boys never did ballet.
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But it does feel like I've been called to make disciples of the ball field because my boys love baseball.
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And so that was a real thing.
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It's like what I was telling about Rory last week, right?
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Where it's like, this is what God's doing, God's opening the doors, and they really are everywhere.
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And so every new team is a new opportunity, every new home, every new job.
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Like, if we can rethink our thinking, the Spirit of God rests in us, He's leading us, and He's pouring out of us to other people.
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So when I moved here after investing for years in Southern California, that was hard because I'm like, oh, my prey watch relationships are changing.
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I'm starting over.
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And I can be like, oh, sad.
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Or I can remember he's the Lord of the harvest.
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My job's just to sew as I go.
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Yeah.
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So the new baseball team, we prayed as a family.
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All right, God, like this is your baseball team.
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Yeah, we were the angels because we moved to Northern California.
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We were the giants down there, the angels here.
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Um, and it was cool.
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I asked my brother-in-law to coach with me.
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He didn't have any kids on the team, but I had just done that with Rory, and I was seeing this was a space for disciple making.
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Got it.
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For people that were far from God or yet to believe or young in their faith, join me.
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And I that first team, it was incredible.
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And you know this.
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Like I've done four or five funerals from that first team of dads, and so you don't know in that moment what's gonna happen a decade later.
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Um, Rob, one of my buddies, and again, his story of conversion was radical.
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Uh, again, didn't necessarily know what he was missing in Jesus.
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And there were multiple people from our little launch team when we planted this church that were loving him and pointing to Jesus.
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He gets diagnosed with cancer, and he meets Jesus face to face, and it's heartbreaking.
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The effects of the fall and sin and cancer, like I want a new body, it's heartbreaking.
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But also, Rob gave his life to Christ, and Rob walked through that in such a way that he's like, Look, I I hate this, but also I have more joy in Jesus.
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Uh in fact, his his son, Luke, is now a young adult because that was a long time ago, and he was at young adults the other day.
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Uh, I was speaking at, and it's amazing to see the fruit of Rob's faith to his bride, to his babies, to me.
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Um, and so just don't minimize your baseball team.
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Yeah, like what a huge opportunity.
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Um, Blair was another guy that again, God reflected his love to Blair, and through Blair, Justin was the guy I told you about that was like, hey, if I'm not on your prey, watch this, you'd be a jerk.
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Uh you know, Will, he's still curious.
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He hasn't given his life to Christ per se, but he's wrestled with this faith and he's like, All right, this is exciting.
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And another guy just recently going through a divorce, and he's like, Who is God?
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What is God doing?
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Like, all of these are relationships that are hopefully are not about inviting them to church on a Sunday, but inviting them to Jesus.
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And it doesn't happen fast.
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Like this was decades.
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Right.
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And those all started just from a simple baseball team.
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So it's like just take the little things that God is already putting in your life and see what happens.
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And it's just don't ever miss that.
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It's incredible, it's powerful.
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Yeah, and none of it happened alone in isolation either.
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Um, there's like so much power in pray watch overlap and and community with your family, with your church, with you know, every every place that you get put.
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Everyday life, everyday moments.
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And this is what we see in that pattern, that pathway of Jesus, right?
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Identify, invite, imitate, and innovate.
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Just keep walking with Jesus as he walks with us.
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So in the Gospels, he says, come and see, that's identify.
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Yeah, then he says, follow me, that's invite, invite in a relationship.
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Then he says, learn from me, imitate me.
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And that wasn't a quick hitter, that wasn't a class, that was a camping trade.
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Three years of spending time with those men.
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Learning, transforming, uh, not just doing, but being like Jesus.
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And then the last thing this week, of course, is innovate.
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As the Father sends me, I'm sending you.
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Come and see, follow me, learn from me.
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As the father sends me, I'm sending you.
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So that that's those four parts of the diamond.
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That first one then is just pray.
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Just every morning wake up saying, God, who are the people that you've put in my life?
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That's that pray watch list.
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Who are the people that I am sent to because I see them at pickup, I see them at the sports field, I see them at my job, write their names down, set that alarm.
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So at 9:38, when that alarm goes off every day, you're like, you're the Lord of the harvest.
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I can give you this day everyone and everything.
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But I'm asking you, Lord, do a work in my baseball team, do a work in my family, do a work at my at my work.
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That's what the pray watch list is.
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Do a work in these people's lives for your glory.
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Yeah.
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And then once those people are kind of revealed to you, then invite them.
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Who have you asked to journey with you?
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Who, where have you invited them?
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What are you doing with them?
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Um, what are you doing to engage in that relationship?
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I love that.
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And then, of course, not just invite them with you, but call them to imitate Christ as you imitate Christ.
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That proximity and participation is key, right?
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That's where imitation comes from.
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That partnership in the gospel, like you're a kingdom laborer.
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That's what I'm telling the Rories of the world, right?
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You're a kingdom laborer.
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Right.
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I'm giving you permission to say, the Spirit of God's in me.
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Now go live this out.
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And that's the innovation part.
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The permission's been granted, not by me, but by God Almighty.
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Yeah, and then it's it's innovate, and you're releasing the disciples to go disciple others and so on and so forth.
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And innovation is just that faithful obedience.
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Yeah.
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Every day.
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Again, I think it's so easy, especially for me to be like, what's the big thing?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right.
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All the little things.
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It's why, like, for us on a gathering, a Sunday gathering of all the saints, when we come together, we clap at the end because we think we're breaking huddle to go storm the gates of hell.
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And sometimes the battle is just in faithfulness.
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It's just in showing up.
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Um, we're not innovating to be impressive.
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Yeah, I think that's a big one.
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Yeah, I I don't even want you to see me.
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I want you to see Jesus in me.
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We innovate because Jesus entrusted us with his mission and then he empowered us by his spirit.
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In fact, if you see that pattern not just in Jesus, go back to the beginning of the book in Genesis.
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Regularly, you see that every sending in strip in scripture really includes four things.
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It includes a call, it includes a commission, it includes his presence, and it includes his power.
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And so I would I would like to encourage you, think about those things like Moses' life, Joshua's life.
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They were called, they were set apart.
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Here's the mission.
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Uh-huh.
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Now you're commissioned by the presence of God, and you've been given the power of God.
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We don't have the power to make disciples, but God in us does.
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Yeah.
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And that's just like you say all the time, it's freeing.
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It's freeing.
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It's surrender.
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Yes.
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It's it's Moses.
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It's Joshua.
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It's the prophets.
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It's Jesus.
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And then Jesus gives that permission and power of the Spirit of God to the church.
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Um and so may we continue to live that out.
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Yeah.
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And just keep showing up.
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Yeah.
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So the call to action is really just keep doing the same things that you're already doing.
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Like you don't even have to find something new or find somebody.
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Just go where you're already going.
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Um and have your eyes open and be praying for that.
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Um and then when you get stuck, have somebody that you can follow.
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So, you know, have somebody in your life that's further along in this.
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Um, and if you don't have that, you have us and send us questions, send us DMs, whatever you got.
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Um because I get to ask Drew, I get to ask Jen.
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I get to do this with people who are in it with me, but also have been doing it longer than me.
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And I think that's super um important.
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So um we want to be as much of that as we can.
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What's fun now for me, of course, is to watch you do it with others.
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Right.
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And now they would say, and I have a Heather, and I have a Wes.
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Right.
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And I and it's just such a gift to see his kingdom come everywhere we go.
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Yeah.
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Like he's leading us.
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We're just being faithful to follow, but he also, in his leading of us, is sending us to go live this out.
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And so don't forget, next week we're gonna be starting that 21-day challenge.
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As you can go grab the book at Amazon.
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Uh, again, if you're like me and you like the word free, uh, you can download an option, like Heather said last time.
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We just want you to be able to like write in it and journal in it because it's designed to be used.
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It's like a little hundred percent.
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But for us, like we called our church Grace because Grace is free.
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Um, so everything we're doing here at Disciples Made Here is to help you, empower you, equip you so that again, you realize that you can do it.
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Like you can do it, and we can help by encouraging you, by cheering you on.
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But it's imperative that we understand that even more important than free, as much as I like a good deal, this is meaningful.
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This is eternal.
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Yeah.
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When you actually live your life intentionally, this isn't about growing a church or a platform.
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This is about his kingdom come and his will be done, not just to you, but through you as you continue to live out the gospel and innovate wherever it is that you live, work, and play.
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We love you guys.
