Goodfellas

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As far back as I can remember, I always wanted
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to be a podcaster. That is right, Heather hasn't
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seen the 1990 mafia classic Goodfellas, directed
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by Martin Scorsese and starring Ray Liotta, Robert
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De Niro, Joe Pesci, and Lorraine Bracco. Isn't
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that funny? Funny how? How is it funny? I'm just
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saying, it's funny you haven't seen the movie.
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What's funny about it? Funny like a clown? I
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amuse you? So grab your shine box and get ready
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for this episode of Blind Spots and Second Thoughts.
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Welcome to another episode of Blind Spots and
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Second Thoughts. I'm Dan. I'm Heather. And Heather,
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what do you know about the movie Goodfellas?
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Not very much. Really? I believe it's a mob movie.
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Okay. Is there a pizza place involved? Not really.
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Okay. So what I'm thinking of is a pizza place
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that I've been to that was called Goodfellas.
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I do believe there is a mafia -ish themed pizza
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place called Goodfellas. And I think they also
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sell frozen pizzas too, don't they? unheard of
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for there to be some kind of a restaurant related
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to concealing mob activity. Like I've seen that
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in things. So, okay. But I had no idea if I was
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just like, I know of a pizza place. It must be
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from the movie. What have, because I know that
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you haven't seen The Sopranos. Don't ask me because
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then it's going to be embarrassing that I have
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to say that what I'm thinking specifically of
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is an episode of Boy Meets World. So that's your
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experience with mob movies is an episode of Boy
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Meets World. And that might be it. Probably an
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episode of Psych or something like that. Yeah,
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like parodies of mob movies in comedies that
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I've watched, comedy TV shows that I've watched.
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We talked about Animaniacs. You didn't love the
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Animaniacs. There was actually a segment. Yeah,
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you threatened to divorce me over it. There was
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a segment of Animaniacs called Good Feathers,
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which was about. pigeons who basically reenacted
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mob movies. Sometimes I just want to say something
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and not have you dig deeper into it, because
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then I have to admit that my taste is questionable.
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So this movie, Goodfellas, can you name any of
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the cast? I can't. I am assuming that there are
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some Italian -American actors in it, but I don't
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know any of them. So the main cast is Ray Liotta.
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Okay. Robert De Niro. I kind of wondered if you
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were, when I said Italian -American, if you were
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going to ask me to name some Italian -American
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actors, I would have named Robert De Niro. I
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would have named Al Pacino and Joe Pesci. Al
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Pacino is not in this, but Joe Pesci is. Also
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Lorraine Bracco and Paul Sorvino rounds out the
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main cast. Okay. Released in September of 1990,
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Goodfellas is directed by the great Martin Scorsese
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from a script co -written by Nicholas Pelleggi.
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Pelleggi is the widower of Nora Ephron, and he
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actually based the screenplay on his own nonfiction
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book called Wiseguy. So this is actually based
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on a true story. Oh, wow. Okay. He is currently
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alive at the time that we are recording this
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and will be turning 93 years old in February
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of 2026. Oh, he's almost the same age as my grandma.
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His birthday's also in February. The film is
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a critical darling and a favorite of gangster
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movie lovers, although it only took away one
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Oscar from the six it was nominated for. Any
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guesses what that Oscar win was for? Best adapted
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screenplay. That is not correct. It was for best
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supporting actor for Joe Pesci. Oh, good for
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him. It was nominated for best adapted screenplay,
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best supporting actress, best director, best
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editing, and best picture. And the movie regularly
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makes top 100 lists. You said 1990? Yes. Big
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year for Joe Pesci. So are you ready to finally
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watch Goodfellas? Sure. Do you think you'll like
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it? I don't know. Maybe. I hope so. I hope so,
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too, because it's one of my favorites. But let's
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find out. Really funny. Really funny. What do
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you mean I'm funny? It's funny, you know. It's
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a good story. It's funny. You're a funny guy.
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What do you mean? You mean the way I talk? What?
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It's just, you know, you're just funny. You know,
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the way you tell the story and everything. Funny
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how? I mean, what's funny about it? Tommy, no,
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you got it all wrong. Oh, Anthony. He's a big
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boy. He knows what he said. What'd you say? You're
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right. Funny how? What? Just, you know, you're
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funny. You mean, let me understand this, because
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maybe it's me. I'm a little fucked up, maybe.
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But I'm funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown?
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I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to fucking
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amuse you? What do you mean funny? Funny how?
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How am I funny? All right, Heather. So now you
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have finally seen Goodfellas. What'd you think?
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I am going to put this movie in the same category
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as some of the other movies that we have watched
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for this podcast. I'm thinking specifically of
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Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Fight
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Club in that it was so good. Well made. Excellent
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performances. Really compelling. And I also kind
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of hated it a little bit. Like I really enjoyed
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watching it, but in a way that hurt my soul.
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Okay. That makes sense. Go on. Well, it just,
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it was, I mean, it was, it was really good storytelling,
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but it just. was also very upsetting, which I
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think is a testament to how like a movie should
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make you feel something strongly. Yeah. And it
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did. But, you know, I said I needed a palate
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cleanser after because it was really heavy. But
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I thought it was excellent. For my money, it
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is the best Martin Scorsese movie. I, you know,
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people, there are people that will kind of go
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back and forth between Goodfellas, Raging Bull
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and Casino. For my money, Goodfellas is it. It's
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the tightest of those three. It's the most compelling
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story. And I love how propulsive the movie is.
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There's the beautiful long takes and the really
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amazing editing by Thelma Shoemaker. I want to
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talk about... Thomas Shoemaker a little bit.
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She met Martin Scorsese at NYU in the 1960s and
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was actually nominated for an Oscar for being
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on the editing team of the 1970 Woodstock documentary.
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Oh, wow. Scorsese wanted to work with her on
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his films. throughout the 1970s, but she wasn't
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in the editor's guild, so he couldn't. They finally
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were able to get her into the editor's guild
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in 1980, and she edited Raging Bull and has worked
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with Martin Scorsese ever since. I love, love,
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love the way this movie is edited with the freeze
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frames and the cutting between slightly different
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takes for some scenes. the way that the movie
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amps up the tension especially in the third act
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she is a magnificent editor and because this
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was 1990 she was doing all of that Real to real,
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not on a computer. That is incredible. So she
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is one of the all time greats. It is funny to
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think that some of the best editors, when you
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think about who are the best editors, it's her
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and Sally Minky. And, you know, they're both
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women. So like really some of the best editors
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ever working in film are women. We talked about
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this is adapted from real life events. Most of
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these events happened like this is there was
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not a lot that was embellished for the movie.
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They did change some of the names. Tommy DeSimone
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became Tommy DeVito. So Tommy was still Tommy.
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Paul Vario became Pauly Cicero for the movie
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and Jimmy Burke became Jimmy Conway. But other
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than that, the murder of Spider, the murder of
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Billy Bats, all of those things actually happened
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in real life, at least. according to the testimony
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of Henry Hill. I mentioned Nora Ephron in the
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intro because Henry Hill's adventures didn't
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quite stop with witness protection, as the movie
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implies. She heavily fictionalized Henry Hill's
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time and witness protection and turned it into
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the screenplay for My Blue Heaven, starring Steve
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Martin. So I don't know if you're familiar with
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that movie. I'm not. Steve Martin plays a gangster
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in Witness Protection who's having a very hard
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time with it. Nora Ephron wrote the screenplay.
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It was also because she and Nicholas Pelleggi
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were working on the book Wise Guys. So she took
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his notes and then took a very heavily fictionalized
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version of Henry Hill and made it into the character
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that Steve Martin plays for that movie. Henry
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Hill was married two more times after he and
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Karen finally did divorce. more times and was
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kicked out of witness protection he died of heart
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disease at 69 years old in 2012 wow okay so he
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did survive he he went on he he did you know
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media appearances he i think he became a celebrity
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restaurant owner for a bit wild character didn't
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end up getting whacked ended up just dying of
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heart good for him i guess But yeah, I love this
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movie. This is a movie I discovered as a teenager
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when I was just discovering like, oh, movies
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can actually be really cool and good. I had a
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history teacher who was also a bit of a film
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nerd. And after class, we would talk about movies.
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And I think that she was like, you need to watch
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Goodfellas. And so I was like, oh, OK. And so
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then I and I was like, oh, yeah, this is. This
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is a fantastic movie. And you can also see how
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much influence this movie had on later filmmakers
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like Paul Thomas Anderson and Quentin Tarantino,
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especially really take a lot of influence from
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Martin Scorsese's work on this movie. But you
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so you said you felt something. What did what
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did it make you feel? So honestly, I. I noticed
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that I was feeling a lot of different emotions
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throughout the film. So, you know, we'll get
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into the recap in a minute. But when it opens
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and we're getting Henry's voiceover about how,
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you know, he was enamored with the gangster lifestyle.
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And, you know, we're watching this young kid
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get involved with these violent men. I was kind
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of like, like, I just don't get it. I don't get
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that infatuation that he claimed to be having.
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And then he grows up and we're seeing him in
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that world. And it's like, I mean, we've talked
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about this before. I am a horror fan, but I don't
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love violence. I mean, I don't love violence
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in horror movies, but I also don't really like
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to watch it outside of horror. And I think, you
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know, without getting too much into it, because
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I do think that we... covered this before. But
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I think part of the reason for that for me is
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because of how it's framed and who we're supposed
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to be rooting for. Like you're never really rooting
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for the killer in a horror movie. But when you
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watch an action movie or like a mob movie, it's
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like, this is the person we're following that
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is steeped in this violence or perpetuating the
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violence. So it's just it's different for me.
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So I still didn't love that. But it was funny.
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And it was Like the sense of camaraderie that
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they had and that that feeling of belonging that
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was just palpable to me like that was enjoyable
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to watch them being like friends and the scene
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where Henry beats up the neighbor for assaulting
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Karen. I'm like, you know, I. I was saying, oh,
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the violence. But then it's like nice to see
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that and to feel like, OK, that guy doesn't know
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what he like. He he fucked up like and he's about
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to find out, you know. So but then as and then
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as it got even further and further into it, just.
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As the violence got more and more amplified,
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and the drugs came into it, and the infidelity
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came into it, and I was like, it was still really
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compelling. But then I started feeling like it
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was not a nice feeling. You know, it was like,
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this is just so awful to witness. But I mean,
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it felt authentic. Like, I cared about what happened
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to the characters, but I was also like, just
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stop. Just stop. You know, like, I don't know.
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Does that make sense? It makes sense. Yeah, this
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is I mean, I would argue there's not really anybody
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to root for in this movie. Maybe Michael, of
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all people, because I think Michael is probably
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innocent. But other than that, there are no good
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guys. I mean, in this movie, the daughters, those
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poor girls. I felt so bad for them at so many
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points. Like, those girls have to be in therapy
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for life. after what they witnessed well yeah
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so i was rooting for them but you know that's
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not about them so it's just i like i'm seeing
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when karen shows up at the mistress's apartment
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and she's got both of her daughters with her
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i'm like they were living with her mother like
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you couldn't leave them with your mom like you
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had to take them to go confront this no at that
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point they weren't living with well i know but
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they were still in the same town like presumably
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like they go to the mom's house later in the
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movie so i'm like your mom is still there like
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Have her babysit so you don't take your extremely
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young daughters, impressionable daughters to
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witness this horror show. I just was like, oh,
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this is so bad. Well, let's get into the recap.
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I love the way this movie opens with the car
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sounds and the really cool title sequence designed
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by Elaine and Saul Bass. Saul Bass, who you might
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know, the famous designer who worked on a lot
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of Alfred Hitchcock title sequences. So the way
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that the titles move, kind of invoking road signs.
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moving by with headlights at night. The three
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main characters in the car, Henry Hill, Tommy
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and Jimmy, played by Ray Liotta, Joe Pesci and
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Robert De Niro, are driving in a Cadillac. They
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hear something in the trunk and they get out
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and Billy Bats is bloodied and alive in the trunk
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of their car. So they stab him with a cleaver
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that. Joe Pesci pulls out of his pants. A butcher
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knife. A butcher knife. Yeah. Well, technically,
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I guess it's a chef's knife. Okay. He pulls a
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chef's knife out of his pants, dabs him several
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times, and then Jimmy shoots him to finish him
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off. I was shocked when that happened because,
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I mean, shocked, you know, they don't realize
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at first, or it doesn't seem like they realize
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at first that the sound is coming from the trunk.
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Yeah. Because presumably they think. that Billy
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is dead. So Ray Liotta's like, what, did I hit
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something? And then they get out. And at first
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I am thinking like, well, there was a person
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in the trunk and they don't know it. And then
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they open the trunk and I'm like, okay, no, they
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do know they're going to shoot him. And then
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he pulls out a knife and just starts stabbing
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him. I'm like, whoa, I was not expecting a knife.
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I was expecting a gun. So that was very surprising
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right off the bat. Right off the knife. Well,
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it was bats. So right off the bat. Right off
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the bat. And then the close up on Henry as he
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goes to shut the trunk. And the narration begins,
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as far back as I can remember, I always wanted
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to be a gangster. And I didn't recognize that
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line. I'm assuming that it is on lists of like
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classic lines in films. Oh, it is an iconic line.
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I didn't know what it was from, but I did recognize
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it as soon as I heard it. And then hard cut to
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the title and the rest of the opening credits.
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So really just fantastic way to open the movie.
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And it's also it's great because you find out
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later that that's a pivotal moment for Henry
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Hill. Flashback to 1955, young Henry Hill observing
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the mobsters across the street as he grows up.
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Henry gets a job parking cars for the mob at
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the cab stand and starts skipping school to work
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for the gangsters and eventually ends up catching
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a beatdown from his dad for it. Excellent young
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Ray Liotta casting. I thought that kid looked
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a lot like him. The way I saw it, everybody takes
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a beating sometime is the way that he internalizes
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it because he got in trouble for skipping school.
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The mobsters, their response is to threaten the
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mailman, the poor mailman, to make sure that
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no letters from the school ever get to his home.
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But that unintentionally just stops mail from
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going to his home, period. Well, yeah. If I were
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that mail person, I'd be like. I don't know what's
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from the school or the truant officer. I better
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just be on the safe side and not give them anything.
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And, you know, it does a really good job illustrating
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why a 13 year old kid would think that is the
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coolest shit ever. And yeah, you know that. that
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power could definitely be intoxicating and why
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you would want to be a part of that. Although
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I do think it's funny that when he is listing
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why he thought that they were so cool and like
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this, he gives a list of examples of things that
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gangsters got away with. And the first thing
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that he says is parking in front of a fire hydrant.
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I was like, okay, dream big. The voiceover is
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one of the things that really does make this
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movie work well, because voiceover can a lot
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of times be lazy and not really contribute anything
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because you're just telling the audience what
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they can see or you can. you know, show not tell
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a lot better. But the voiceover in this movie
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is fantastic and really elevates it, I think.
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I agree with that. And I'm jumping ahead a little
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bit. But when the voiceover changes, it was jarring.
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Like I was like, whoa. But then I thought it
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was really cool. Yeah. That you just out of nowhere
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get another person providing voiceover. young
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Henry starts rationalizing the mafia, how they're
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actually not all that bad. And what they do is,
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you know, providing a service. And that's over
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young Henry torching a bunch of cars and then
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running away and the iconic freeze frame of him
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in front of the car explosion. So that's a really
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fantastic shot. One day, some of the kids carried
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my mother's groceries all the way home out of
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risk. Very shortly after this, young Henry helps
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a guy who got shot. Polly's younger brother,
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Petey, I think, chews him out. Henry meets a
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young, in quotes, Jimmy Conway, played by Robert
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De Niro, who's supposed to be in his... The narration
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hopefully lets us know that he's supposed to
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be in his 20s at this point, but... Yeah. Look,
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CGI de -aging hadn't been invented yet. Although
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that's probably good because Martin Scorsese
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did go a little nuts with that for the Irishman.
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Henry also meets a young Tommy. The kid they
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got to play a young Tommy nailed the accent.
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His accent sounds exactly like Joe Pesci. It's
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pretty good. Henry gets pinched selling stolen
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cigarettes. And he gets the life advice from
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Jimmy. Never add on your friends and always keep
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your mouth shut. The two most important things.
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I have to say that even though I did disapprove
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of the mob's activities, this is the first moment
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where I was like, this is so freaking cute. When
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they're all happy for him and like celebrating
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and congratulating him. Like it's your first
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pinch. You're really one of us now. so cute it's
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like a family yeah and this is problematic but
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like they're adorable it was i was so conflicted
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this whole time but on the record as a whole
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you disapprove of the mafia i mean i don't i
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don't know if i should say that i don't want
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to get whacked you heard it here first folks
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heather is pro mafia So flash forward to 1963
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and now Ray Liotta and Joe Pesci are playing
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their characters in their 20s, I guess. Yeah,
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are they supposed to be like the same age? Because
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I looked it up and Joe Pesci is 12 years older
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than Ray Liotta. I think they are roughly the
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same age. So yeah, this scene they meet at the
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airline diner in New York, which is a place that
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I've actually been to and it still looks the
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same. Did you go there because of the movie?
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No, I went there because I, so I was killing
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time because we had a flight out of JFK and it
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was nearby. We had to drop the rental car off
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and I Googled restaurants nearby and we walked
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up and I was like, oh, wait. That's cool. That's
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a cool moment. Yeah. This goes to the segment
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where you the long take where you meet all of
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the other gangsters and Henry goes through all
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of their names, which is just a fun sequence,
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honestly. And I love my favorite of all of them
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is Jimmy two times. Yeah. He says everything
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two times. Yeah. I'm going to get the papers.
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Get the papers. I liked no nose. He had a big
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nose. He did. Henry, Jimmy, Tommy and a bunch
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of other people are eating dinner. They get tipped
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off about an Air France shipment from somebody
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who works there. The next scene then is the iconic
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scene. Funny. How am I funny? Do I amuse you?
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Am I a clown? Were you familiar? Did you know
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this scene? I sort of it was I was sort of familiar
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with it. It's gotten parody to death and referenced
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a whole lot. But as many times as I've seen the
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scene. It's still so well executed because everyone's
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reaction lets you know how dangerous Tommy is.
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Like he is unhinged and he is aggressive and
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he won't back down even when it's not funny anymore.
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Like he's just he's ball busting, as he says,
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but he's there's so much of a. vicious edge to
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it that really does come back later very unsettling
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and joe pesci plays the character fantastically
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he's especially when you think about you know
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i guess he's kind of gotten a reputation for
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playing a tough guy but i think a lot of that
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came from this movie he's not a very large man
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no he's a small man but he's so intimidating
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in this it would be hard to be You know, it would
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be hard to be in that scene and not be intimidated.
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What does Yoda say? Size matters not. Judge me
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by my size, do you? Judge me by my size, do you?
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Am I small? Am I a frog? Is he a frog? I don't
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know. Okay. Funny how? How am I funny? Say, am
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I a clown? A clown am I? amuse you do i oh my
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god i love it immediately following this the
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restaurant owner comes over and tries to settle
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tommy's tab rave that guy is brave or stupid
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or both he gets a bottle to the head for it well
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it's seven thousand dollars in 1960s money i
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mean still he because Tommy says this and I'm
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like, don't do it in front of people. I mean,
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maybe he thought that would keep him safer. I
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don't know. But I'm like, he's not going to react
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well to that. Yeah. Well, he doesn't. He gets
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a bottle to his head. The restaurant owner then
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named Sonny goes to Polly. And I love the way
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this scene plays out because Polly is acting
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like he doesn't want a piece of the restaurant.
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But really, ultimately, this was probably the
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goal all along was to get a piece of the restaurant.
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So I wasn't that off base asking if there was
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a pizza place involved. It wasn't a pizza place.
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Well, I don't know. What did they serve? Did
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you see what they were eating? It was more of
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like a fancy restaurant, I think. Well, I got
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my wires crossed a little. Well, it's also not
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central to the plot, but it is. This does illustrate
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what the mafia did in the 60s and 70s, which
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is they took the restaurant and they ran up its
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credit and did illegal activities out of it and
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basically exhausted it to the point that then
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when there was no juice left, they burned it
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down. for the insurance money, which is what
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the mafia did in the 60s and 70s and what private
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equity does to companies now. So the more things
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change, the more they stay the same. What a world.
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Tommy and Henry are talking about broads while
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waiting outside the bamboo lounge. It was the
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bamboo lounge was the restaurant. So they're
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waiting outside the bamboo lounge for it to burn
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down, which ends up with Henry on a double date.
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With Karen, played by Lorraine Bracco. And that's
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when Karen's voiceover narration starts. You
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were actually legitimately shocked. I was. I
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jolted. I think you said something out loud.
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I'm pretty sure I did. Just one of my noises.
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So you get another perspective of what's going
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on from... Karen's perspective. They were supposed
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to have a second double date, but Henry stood
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her up. So her reaction is to make Tommy take
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her to where Henry is and chew him out in front
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of all of his friends for standing her up. I
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was on the same page as Henry because I'm like,
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their first date looked awful. So why was she
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so upset that he didn't show up? It didn't look
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like they clicked at all. She didn't like that
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she got stood up. Have some self -respect. Well,
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she did. That's why she yelled at him. Well,
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she did yell at him, but then he's like charms
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her and she's like, I'll think about it. I'll
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think about it. I love the way she says that
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second. I'll think about it. I'm like, all right,
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I maybe I have a thing for the accent. I don't
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know. I'm not going to try it. Lorraine Bracco
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is fantastic on this. Yeah, she's great. He goes
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to pick her up and Karen has to tell her mom
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that Henry is half Jewish because otherwise it
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would be a no -go. Yeah. Her covering up his,
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he's got a cross on his neck and she has to cover
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it up real quick before he answers it. This leads
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to one of the most famous shots in movie history.
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one take Copacabana shot where it follows them
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from the street, skipping the line to the famous
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real life club in New York and going through
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the service entrance, through the back, through
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all of the service area and the kitchen. And
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then. to the floor where they are given a table.
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A table magically appears and is set up for them
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instead of them having to be seated at it. Right
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at the front. Yeah. Yeah. Really, really cool
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scene illustrates what is so cool about being
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in the mob at this point and why you would want
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to do it. fantastically executed shot actually
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one take because again 1990 they couldn't do
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digital stitching or anything like that the take
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goes on for a while you have henny youngman playing
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himself which is interesting decision because
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you know it was 1990 so he's 30 years older than
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he's supposed to be in this apparently henny
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youngman kept flubbing his lines so they had
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to do seven takes oh because they got it perfect
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up until henny youngman flubbed his famous lines
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take my wife please wow that sucks so they had
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to redo it all of those times but they actually
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did get it finally and One take. So it is an
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iconic shot. What did did it stand out to you?
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Yeah, no, it was really cool at that point after
00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:37.220
seven takes. So I would have recast him. One
00:29:37.220 --> 00:29:40.740
of the things I learned recently, the shot goes
00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:43.339
on when they go into the kitchen and they go
00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:45.440
around the kitchen. If you're not paying attention,
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.539
it kind of seems like, hey, this is a shortcut,
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.099
like they're taking a shortcut through the kitchen.
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.940
But really, it's a rectangle. And they leave
00:29:52.940 --> 00:29:55.880
through the same door that they came in. So you
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:57.960
could say it's probably just to make the shot
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:00.019
longer and make it look cooler, honestly. And
00:30:00.019 --> 00:30:02.500
that's just how it was constructed. If you wanted
00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:05.799
to try and rationalize it in universe, he's taking
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.019
Karen through to show off that he knows everybody
00:30:08.019 --> 00:30:11.519
in the kitchen. But it is funny when you realize
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.380
that, oh, yeah, no, they just went in a circle
00:30:14.380 --> 00:30:17.099
and they came out the exact same door that they
00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:19.480
went in. I mean, I did interpret it as him trying
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:23.009
to show off. Yeah. I like the, there's a dialogue
00:30:23.009 --> 00:30:25.369
in the scene at the Copacabana that I like. She
00:30:25.369 --> 00:30:29.329
asks him what he does to be like, how are we
00:30:29.329 --> 00:30:31.069
getting this kind of special treatment and everything?
00:30:31.349 --> 00:30:33.490
And he says, I'm in construction. And she feels
00:30:33.490 --> 00:30:35.309
his hand and is like, this doesn't feel like
00:30:35.309 --> 00:30:36.990
you're in construction. I'm a union delegate.
00:30:37.630 --> 00:30:39.890
I thought that was funny. So things progress.
00:30:40.029 --> 00:30:42.849
The Air France robbery goes off without a hitch.
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.819
Henry continues to court Karen. Jimmy and Henry
00:30:46.819 --> 00:30:50.200
are collecting from a wig merchant named Mari.
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:54.619
And Henry gets a call from Karen. Karen is crying.
00:30:54.740 --> 00:30:57.859
It turns out her neighbor Bruce sexually assaulted
00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:01.279
her. Henry takes her home, then pistol whips
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.440
the shit out of Bruce in front of his friends.
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.660
Hands the bloody gun to Karen and tells her to
00:31:07.660 --> 00:31:10.380
hide it. And Karen admits she was a little turned
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:15.829
on. Well, some people are. Then hard cut to Glassmash,
00:31:15.869 --> 00:31:21.430
Mazel Tov, and Karen and Henry are married. The
00:31:21.430 --> 00:31:24.829
wedding scene is great. There's the pretty funny
00:31:24.829 --> 00:31:27.390
joke about all the Peters and Pauls. Yeah. And
00:31:27.390 --> 00:31:29.990
Marie's. And Marie's. Envelopes and envelopes
00:31:29.990 --> 00:31:32.589
of cash. Karen is worried about the bag. And
00:31:32.589 --> 00:31:34.529
Henry is like, you don't have to worry about
00:31:34.529 --> 00:31:36.450
the bag. No one's going to steal anything here.
00:31:38.059 --> 00:31:40.059
I did think it was funny that Karen and Henry
00:31:40.059 --> 00:31:41.759
still live with her parents for some reason,
00:31:41.859 --> 00:31:44.880
even though they're making pretty good money.
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.460
A month after getting married, Henry stays out
00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:50.759
all night with Tommy doing who knows what, which
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.019
leads to a fight. Not even really with Karen,
00:31:54.099 --> 00:31:59.420
with Karen's mom. Yeah. Karen goes to the makeover
00:31:59.420 --> 00:32:04.200
party with all of the mob wives. And this movie
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.240
actually passes Bechdel with this scene because
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.759
the mob wives are named, even though you don't
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.140
necessarily. Yeah, but they're mostly talking
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:16.839
about men. But not entirely. So it does technically
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:19.420
pass here. This movie is a feminist masterpiece.
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:23.910
Karen is. worried about the lifestyle, starting
00:32:23.910 --> 00:32:26.410
to express some doubts. But Henry tells her that
00:32:26.410 --> 00:32:29.150
nobody goes to jail unless they want to, unless
00:32:29.150 --> 00:32:32.049
they want to get caught, which is a bit naive.
00:32:32.069 --> 00:32:36.450
We find out later. Karen also rationalizes. Henry's
00:32:36.450 --> 00:32:38.950
work. They talk about how there's essentially
00:32:38.950 --> 00:32:43.490
no outsiders. You're very much entrenched with
00:32:43.490 --> 00:32:47.390
the family and being with them all the time and
00:32:47.390 --> 00:32:49.589
having no outsiders, it makes everything feel
00:32:49.589 --> 00:32:52.849
normal. This is over the scene where Karen gets
00:32:52.849 --> 00:32:55.390
served a warrant and cops come in and search
00:32:55.390 --> 00:32:58.690
their house. And she says that it's always better
00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:01.789
to be polite and make them coffee than to try
00:33:01.789 --> 00:33:04.490
and resist or do something like spit on her own
00:33:04.490 --> 00:33:06.500
floor. I think she's right. That doesn't really
00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:10.240
make sense. I love there's a shot of Henry's
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:13.799
closet and it's basically just a rainbow of suits,
00:33:13.940 --> 00:33:17.480
different 1960s suits and pretty much every color
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.980
you could get. This is also the funny scene where
00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:24.319
Karen asks for money to go shopping and Henry
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.859
hands her a wad of cash and then she drops to
00:33:27.859 --> 00:33:30.740
her knees in front of him and he goes, oh, all
00:33:30.740 --> 00:33:37.289
right. So self -sacrificing. So 1970, this is
00:33:37.289 --> 00:33:42.170
the date of the opening scene. Henry owns a bar
00:33:42.170 --> 00:33:45.269
and Billy Batts is there giving Tommy shit about
00:33:45.269 --> 00:33:49.009
how Tommy used to be a shoeshine boy that gets
00:33:49.009 --> 00:33:52.690
Tommy enraged. Tommy comes back, jumps Billy,
00:33:52.849 --> 00:33:56.089
and he and Jimmy beat him ostensibly to death
00:33:56.089 --> 00:33:59.309
on the floor of the bar. Tommy is sincerely apologetic.
00:33:59.450 --> 00:34:01.990
I didn't want to get blood on your floor. I loved.
00:34:02.380 --> 00:34:05.720
That moment where it almost seemed like he was
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.079
remorseful, but not because he beat a made guy
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.940
to death in theory, but because he made a mess
00:34:12.940 --> 00:34:16.159
on his friend's floor. Robert De Niro was really
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.199
quick to jump in on the beating. Well, you know,
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.079
you got to get your friends back, I guess. I
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.639
guess. I thought it was really interesting. And
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.480
I'm sure there are other movies that use the
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.980
device in the same way, but none that. either
00:34:29.980 --> 00:34:32.619
I've seen or that are coming to mind. But I liked
00:34:32.619 --> 00:34:37.639
how the movie opens with this. And I think a
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.119
lot of times when you have a movie opening and
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.460
then it goes back, it's all leading up to where
00:34:43.460 --> 00:34:45.219
the scene you saw at the beginning is going to
00:34:45.219 --> 00:34:47.079
be the culmination. It's going to be like the
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:49.079
end of the movie. And this is like the middle
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.300
of the movie. So I thought that was cool. This
00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:53.980
is when things start to get real violent. Well,
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.599
before they get back to that part, they put Billy
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:58.519
in the trunk of the car and they go to Tommy's
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.239
mother's house to get a shovel, which apparently
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.019
did happen in real life. Tommy's mother is played
00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:07.139
by Martin Scorsese. So that's actually Martin
00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:09.460
Scorsese's mother. Is she an actress or was she
00:35:09.460 --> 00:35:11.940
just in it because she's his mother? Because
00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:14.380
she was so cute. She was really, really cute.
00:35:14.539 --> 00:35:16.440
She's showing off her painting and she's making
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:21.079
them food. They're all really funny in this scene.
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:24.719
It felt so natural. I don't know if there was
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.159
improv to any extent, but it felt a little, it
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.579
felt off the cuff, even if it was entirely scripted.
00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:35.059
Yeah, Martin Scorsese's mother is. adorable and
00:35:35.059 --> 00:35:37.500
i believe she's been in a few of his other films
00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.360
too i do believe she's passed on now because
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.940
yeah so we do get back to the opening scene this
00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:48.940
time from slightly different angles and it's
00:35:48.940 --> 00:35:51.420
actually a little more sinister feeling this
00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:55.250
time Again, really good example of Thelma Shoemaker's
00:35:55.250 --> 00:35:58.070
editing and how the movie works. We find out
00:35:58.070 --> 00:36:01.510
that this is actually bad because Billy Batts
00:36:01.510 --> 00:36:05.289
is made and part of the Gambino crew. So killing
00:36:05.289 --> 00:36:08.550
him was not a good move. Saturday night was for
00:36:08.550 --> 00:36:11.849
wives at the Copacabana, but Friday night was
00:36:11.849 --> 00:36:15.030
for girlfriends. I love that all the gangster
00:36:15.030 --> 00:36:20.769
guys have their gumas and they come out on Fridays.
00:36:20.809 --> 00:36:24.750
That's the... I didn't love it. Well, yeah. But
00:36:24.750 --> 00:36:26.349
I like that that's just a thing. Like that's
00:36:26.349 --> 00:36:28.670
just what they did. Life continues. Henry and
00:36:28.670 --> 00:36:31.510
Karen have two kids. Polly asks Henry about Billy
00:36:31.510 --> 00:36:34.590
Bats, but Henry plays dumb. But they find out
00:36:34.590 --> 00:36:38.269
that that property where Billy Bats was buried
00:36:38.269 --> 00:36:41.110
is going to be developed. So they've got to move
00:36:41.110 --> 00:36:43.909
the body. So that's when they go and have to
00:36:43.909 --> 00:36:46.590
dig Billy Bats up, even though it's been six
00:36:46.590 --> 00:36:48.750
months. Six months, yeah. And that's the really
00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:50.860
cool scene that's lit with the taillights. from
00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:53.139
the car so they're backlit and silhouette and
00:36:53.139 --> 00:36:56.539
red and that's when henry starts throwing up
00:36:56.539 --> 00:36:58.559
because they have a they're digging up a six
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.199
-month -old corpse yeah and tommy and jimmy are
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.400
making fun of him and i was just like good thing
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.619
this is before dna testing yeah yeah and then
00:37:06.619 --> 00:37:10.619
he has to hose out his car and his wife and kids
00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:13.059
are like ew this smells and it's like he's like
00:37:13.059 --> 00:37:17.760
yeah i hit a skunk okay I've never smelt a decomposing
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.940
body, but I would have to guess it doesn't smell
00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:23.519
like a skunk. Henry sets his girlfriend up with
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.119
an apartment nearby, and all the guys basically
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:29.559
have second wives with their gumas. Then we have
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.980
the scene where we meet Spider, played by a very
00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:36.500
young Michael Imperioli, while the guys are playing
00:37:36.500 --> 00:37:39.920
poker. Tommy bullies Spider and then shoots him
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.519
in the foot. Yeah. Karen and Henry are no longer
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.210
having marital bliss. and having screaming fights
00:37:46.210 --> 00:37:48.550
in front of their kids. So things have definitely
00:37:48.550 --> 00:37:51.130
started to take a turn for the worse. Later on,
00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:53.789
Spider is still serving drinks with a wounded
00:37:53.789 --> 00:37:56.670
foot. Tommy gives him shit about it. Spider says,
00:37:56.849 --> 00:37:59.550
go fuck yourself, Tommy. Tommy just sits there
00:37:59.550 --> 00:38:03.710
seething and then pulls out a gun and just shoots
00:38:03.710 --> 00:38:05.989
him. Well, Jimmy is like, are you just going
00:38:05.989 --> 00:38:08.090
to take that? But he says after the shooting,
00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:10.860
he's like, I was just like. Busting your balls.
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.780
Busting your balls. And like, what is he? He
00:38:13.780 --> 00:38:15.539
says, I actually I wrote it down because I thought
00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:18.199
his freezing was funny because Jimmy says, what
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:23.980
is the fuck a matter with you? Yeah. Did you
00:38:23.980 --> 00:38:25.760
know that was going to happen? Did you have a
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.099
sense that Spider was long for this world? A
00:38:29.099 --> 00:38:32.219
hundred percent. As soon as he said that, I was
00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:35.300
like, oh, he's about to die. Yeah. Joe Pesci,
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:39.460
again, is so menacing. And just the way that
00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:42.840
he plays the anger is, frankly, pretty scary.
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.579
It is scary. Karen then takes her kids to confront
00:38:46.579 --> 00:38:49.539
Henry's girlfriend and yells at her through the
00:38:49.539 --> 00:38:52.340
buzzer as a full blown fit and also yells at
00:38:52.340 --> 00:38:55.119
every other apartment. Yeah. And the landlord.
00:38:55.300 --> 00:38:58.739
Yeah. Saying she's a whore. And her two very
00:38:58.739 --> 00:39:03.389
young daughters are there. That's not. good for
00:39:03.389 --> 00:39:06.969
them. Then she wakes Henry up with a pistol pointed
00:39:06.969 --> 00:39:09.809
right at his face. I love that shot from the
00:39:09.809 --> 00:39:13.030
perspective of the gun pointing right at the
00:39:13.030 --> 00:39:16.630
camera. Lorraine Bracco is really, really fantastic
00:39:16.630 --> 00:39:19.429
in this scene. It's kind of sad she didn't win
00:39:19.429 --> 00:39:21.769
an award for it or an Oscar anyway. Henry is
00:39:21.769 --> 00:39:24.489
very cool, very smooth and very calm while she
00:39:24.489 --> 00:39:27.650
has the gun pointed at him. But as soon as the
00:39:27.650 --> 00:39:30.449
gun comes down, he starts yelling at her and
00:39:30.449 --> 00:39:33.570
slapping her. And And this scene is really sad,
00:39:33.750 --> 00:39:36.530
especially when he storms off and then Karen
00:39:36.530 --> 00:39:40.989
screams, I'm sorry. Yeah, it was visceral. Yeah.
00:39:41.170 --> 00:39:44.469
I saw that coming, though, like I as he's trying
00:39:44.469 --> 00:39:46.929
to talk her down and he's like, I love you. And
00:39:46.929 --> 00:39:49.030
I'm like, as soon as he gets the upper hand,
00:39:49.329 --> 00:39:52.030
she's going to get punished. I think it's really
00:39:52.030 --> 00:39:55.530
interesting. the way that this scene, and I don't
00:39:55.530 --> 00:39:57.829
know, I don't know exactly what the intent was,
00:39:58.070 --> 00:40:00.750
but I think it's very interesting that it's very
00:40:00.750 --> 00:40:04.670
intimate and it's very up close when Karen has
00:40:04.670 --> 00:40:08.550
the gun on Henry. There's closeups of Karen.
00:40:08.630 --> 00:40:11.550
You see Henry's perspective of the gun pointed
00:40:11.550 --> 00:40:14.909
right at his face. And you see Karen's perspective
00:40:14.909 --> 00:40:17.309
of Henry with the gun barrel coming down on him.
00:40:17.349 --> 00:40:19.710
And you see closeups of the gun and it's very
00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:22.590
framed in. And then as soon as the gun is out
00:40:22.590 --> 00:40:25.380
of the picture, it's in a much wider shot and
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:28.420
it's almost kind of a dispassionate long take.
00:40:28.460 --> 00:40:30.940
Well, the gun is still there. The gun is still
00:40:30.940 --> 00:40:33.519
there. Henry has it. Yeah, but it's not. I mean.
00:40:33.869 --> 00:40:36.190
I mean, he does point he pointed at Karen, which
00:40:36.190 --> 00:40:38.409
is like, and that I think I don't know, because
00:40:38.409 --> 00:40:41.190
I'm not super well versed in like film language,
00:40:41.269 --> 00:40:43.789
but and I didn't really notice that. But now
00:40:43.789 --> 00:40:45.869
that you're saying that, I'm like, because what
00:40:45.869 --> 00:40:49.190
she's doing is incredibly personal to her. But
00:40:49.190 --> 00:40:51.710
for him, violence is just it's just what it is.
00:40:51.769 --> 00:40:53.750
Yeah. Like, that's just a normal part of life.
00:40:53.889 --> 00:40:56.090
He's like. Anyone who threatens me is going to
00:40:56.090 --> 00:40:57.769
get treated this way. But for Karen, it's all
00:40:57.769 --> 00:40:59.849
about the relationship that they have to each
00:40:59.849 --> 00:41:02.849
other. So, yeah, I thought that was very interesting
00:41:02.849 --> 00:41:05.869
that I noticed on this watch through. But then
00:41:05.869 --> 00:41:08.349
when he leaves and she's just alone on the floor
00:41:08.349 --> 00:41:11.230
screaming, it's it's it's heart wrenching. Yeah,
00:41:11.230 --> 00:41:13.710
she plays it very well, too. She really went
00:41:13.710 --> 00:41:17.809
for it. I always appreciate when people in movies,
00:41:17.889 --> 00:41:22.019
when actors, when they scream in that like. they're
00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:25.179
gonna tear their throats they're like because
00:41:25.179 --> 00:41:27.480
i just feel like you don't always see that a
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.570
lot of screaming can be a little like manufactured.
00:41:30.670 --> 00:41:33.969
Yeah. When it feels real, I always appreciate
00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:37.530
that. Polly and Jimmy go to visit Henry at his
00:41:37.530 --> 00:41:39.889
guma's apartment. She has a name. I forget what
00:41:39.889 --> 00:41:42.590
it is. Janice. Janice. And they tell Henry to
00:41:42.590 --> 00:41:45.590
get his wife under control and to cool it. And
00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:48.550
Polly sends Henry and Jimmy down to Tampa, where
00:41:48.550 --> 00:41:51.110
they threaten to feed a guy to lions at the zoo,
00:41:51.349 --> 00:41:54.670
which leads to them getting arrested. Henry gets
00:41:54.670 --> 00:41:59.280
sentenced to 10 years. But it turns out prison
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.539
isn't so bad for the wise guys. They have their
00:42:01.539 --> 00:42:05.820
own little setup and eat like kings. Yeah, they
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:09.920
have like an apartment. I'm assuming there's
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.460
truth to that. I believe there is some truth
00:42:12.460 --> 00:42:14.219
to that. Yeah, I don't know how much of it is.
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.639
And I will say I believe some cooking people
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:21.059
have criticized the way that Polly handles garlic.
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.119
I don't believe I believe it is difficult to
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.679
liquefy garlic like that, even if you do get
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.320
it super thin. So I can't remember. Well, I don't
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.480
know, but I've had super thin garlic and it's
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:38.199
good. But along with their delicious groceries
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.739
that he smuggles in, Henry brings in drugs and
00:42:41.739 --> 00:42:45.420
starts dealing to other prisoners to make some
00:42:45.420 --> 00:43:03.469
cash. Karen brings their kids to visit him in
00:43:03.469 --> 00:43:08.349
prison, sees Janice on the visitor's log. Karen
00:43:08.349 --> 00:43:11.289
is upset about that. And it also turns out that
00:43:11.289 --> 00:43:14.150
when you get arrested, you are cut off from the
00:43:14.150 --> 00:43:16.429
family. You are on your own. That's just how
00:43:16.429 --> 00:43:22.489
it works. And Karen is desperate and angry. She
00:43:22.489 --> 00:43:26.710
makes a huge scene. Oh, yeah. In the visitor's
00:43:26.710 --> 00:43:32.099
area. So smash cut to four years later, Henry
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:34.599
gets out of prison. Karen is waiting for him,
00:43:34.659 --> 00:43:38.019
takes him to their very small one bedroom house.
00:43:38.579 --> 00:43:41.119
Henry immediately tells Karen to pack up and
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.880
move out. Goes to visit Polly. Polly tells him
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:48.260
to stay away from drugs and warms him about Jimmy
00:43:48.260 --> 00:43:50.699
and Tommy, about how they are too violent and
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:53.039
too out of control. So he really should watch
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.320
himself around those two. Cut to him. Continuing
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:59.179
to deal drugs and including Tommy and Jimmy.
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:03.179
And his other girlfriend, Sandy. Yeah, we saw
00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:06.360
her earlier. Yeah, they meet at Janice's apartment,
00:44:06.579 --> 00:44:09.219
actually. She's one of Janice's friends. Debbie
00:44:09.219 --> 00:44:12.960
Mazur. You don't know her from anything other
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.420
than this? She looked familiar, but I don't know.
00:44:15.739 --> 00:44:18.280
I know I saw her in something else, but she was
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.599
on the television show Younger, which I have
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.340
told you about. Sutton Foster and Hilary Duff.
00:44:25.710 --> 00:44:30.130
Sutton Foster plays a woman who looks a lot younger
00:44:30.130 --> 00:44:34.130
than she is. And she has been out of work for
00:44:34.130 --> 00:44:37.269
18 years raising her daughter. And she wants
00:44:37.269 --> 00:44:39.250
to go back to work, but nobody will hire her
00:44:39.250 --> 00:44:41.789
because she's too old. So she pretends to be
00:44:41.789 --> 00:44:44.110
26 when she's actually like 43 or something.
00:44:44.349 --> 00:44:47.329
And Debbie Mazur plays her best friend. Oh, okay.
00:44:47.510 --> 00:44:51.519
And I watch that show. Do not. have any knowledge
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.400
of that at all things are a little better at
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.380
the hill household now they have their fancy
00:44:57.380 --> 00:45:02.619
70s home with the magic tv wall and the super
00:45:02.619 --> 00:45:07.139
70s decor mari the toupee guy brings together
00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:10.099
the lufthansa heist this is actually a real life
00:45:10.099 --> 00:45:12.639
famous heist that has its own wikipedia page
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.320
because yeah i saw that i didn't read it but
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.920
i saw a lot of money stolen And we have a pre
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.559
-pulp fiction Samuel L. Jackson as Stax, one
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.940
of the members of the heist crew. Henry has his
00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:29.780
babysitter smuggling cocaine for him, which is
00:45:29.780 --> 00:45:32.239
pretty funny. And then Henry hears about the
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.019
successful heist on the radio in the shower because
00:45:36.019 --> 00:45:38.000
he wasn't technically a part of it. He's very
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.659
excited. He's whooping. Afterwards, at the bar
00:45:41.659 --> 00:45:44.480
to celebrate, Jimmy scolds one of the conspirators
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:48.329
for buying a Cadillac for his wife. It's a very
00:45:48.329 --> 00:45:51.849
tense scene. And then immediately another one
00:45:51.849 --> 00:45:56.929
shows up with a mink fur coat on his wife's.
00:45:58.210 --> 00:46:02.230
So even though Jimmy told everyone not to buy.
00:46:02.429 --> 00:46:04.530
Well, yeah, he said, don't call any attention
00:46:04.530 --> 00:46:06.409
to yourselves by spending this money. And then
00:46:06.409 --> 00:46:09.550
after he like yells at these two guys, he gives
00:46:09.550 --> 00:46:13.650
Henry his cut and says, don't. buy anything and
00:46:13.650 --> 00:46:16.409
henry goes and buys a bunch of presents and a
00:46:16.409 --> 00:46:18.969
fancy the most expensive tree which is just like
00:46:18.969 --> 00:46:22.730
an ugly white tree it was the 70s i guess this
00:46:22.730 --> 00:46:24.409
is the environment that's the kind of tree that
00:46:24.409 --> 00:46:26.889
charlie brown was complaining about tommy and
00:46:26.889 --> 00:46:30.170
his other associate i forget his name uh the
00:46:30.170 --> 00:46:32.750
i think his name is meat themed because he ends
00:46:32.750 --> 00:46:35.909
up in the in the meat freezer carbone carbone
00:46:35.909 --> 00:46:38.349
oh yeah well that's the name of a sauce anyway
00:46:38.349 --> 00:46:43.150
yeah tommy and carbone go to visit Samuel L.
00:46:43.170 --> 00:46:47.250
Jackson stacks in his underwear and little outfit
00:46:47.250 --> 00:46:50.030
underwear, but it's like a tank top and underwear
00:46:50.030 --> 00:46:54.630
and they go together. And then he gets promptly
00:46:54.630 --> 00:46:57.750
executed. It turns out that stacks didn't ditch
00:46:57.750 --> 00:47:01.369
the truck and that would have led the cops to
00:47:01.369 --> 00:47:05.110
Jimmy and the rest of the people. So Henry is
00:47:05.110 --> 00:47:09.199
worried about the news. But it turns out that
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:13.219
Tommy is going to be made. So Tommy and Jimmy
00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:15.780
are in a really good mood. Mari is still being
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:19.000
stiffed and sore about it because the heist was
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.400
his idea and he hasn't gotten paid yet. Jimmy
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.960
gets paranoid, decides to whack him. Jimmy seems
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.340
to have a change of heart, letting Henry off
00:47:28.340 --> 00:47:33.110
the hook for helping murder Mari. Then it turns
00:47:33.110 --> 00:47:35.889
out that they go ahead and murder Mari anyway,
00:47:35.969 --> 00:47:40.869
pretty violently with Tommy stabbing him in the
00:47:40.869 --> 00:47:43.409
back of the head. I didn't believe Jimmy. He's
00:47:43.409 --> 00:47:45.110
like, tonight's off. I'm like, first of all,
00:47:45.130 --> 00:47:47.130
you're talking about it so casually. But then
00:47:47.130 --> 00:47:48.750
when they're leaving and they're going to like
00:47:48.750 --> 00:47:51.510
go to a diner or something. And I'm like, he's
00:47:51.510 --> 00:47:53.610
going to get killed. Like they're going to kill
00:47:53.610 --> 00:47:56.070
him right now. And I was right. I did like the
00:47:56.070 --> 00:48:01.860
scene when. Jimmy and Henry meet and Jimmy gives
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:04.340
the FBI agents tailing him a hard time when they're
00:48:04.340 --> 00:48:07.320
falling asleep. And then we have another famous
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.460
sequence, the scene with Layla playing the outro
00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:17.260
from the Eric Clapton song Layla over all of
00:48:17.260 --> 00:48:21.179
the Lufthansa heist conspirators. being found
00:48:21.179 --> 00:48:25.320
dead. Very famous sequence. I heavily associate,
00:48:25.539 --> 00:48:28.760
anytime I hear this part of the song, I immediately
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.000
associate it with Goodfellas. I don't know if
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:34.760
you noticed, the soundtrack for this movie is
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.280
fantastic. Oh yeah, it's amazing. They're all
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:41.699
period appropriate pieces of music. There's no
00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:46.179
score. The movie has no score. It's all soundtrack.
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.920
So this is the outro of this. I honestly I didn't
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.920
know that it was the outro of Layla for a long
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.199
time. I thought it was an original score for
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.199
this movie. And then I heard Layla on the radio
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.519
and I was like, oh, I did notice the soundtrack,
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:06.480
especially in the 60s when especially when Henry
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.300
and Karen are dating when they go to the club.
00:49:09.340 --> 00:49:11.119
And then there's, you know, some some scenes
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.340
around there and there's a lot of 60s music.
00:49:13.340 --> 00:49:16.139
And I was like, the soundtrack is awesome. Yeah,
00:49:16.219 --> 00:49:19.800
it's really fantastic. It also really helps set
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.320
the mood of the movie. During the Layla sequence,
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.460
that's where we get the name drop. We were good
00:49:27.460 --> 00:49:31.039
fellows, wise guys. After this sequence, Tommy
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.150
goes to the house to get made and then... He
00:49:35.150 --> 00:49:37.710
sees the empty room that he walks into and his
00:49:37.710 --> 00:49:41.150
last words are, oh, no. And he gets shot in the
00:49:41.150 --> 00:49:44.630
back of the head. Yeah, I saw that coming as
00:49:44.630 --> 00:49:48.150
well. I was a little suspicious. And I mean,
00:49:48.170 --> 00:49:49.989
as soon as I saw the empty room, I had the same
00:49:49.989 --> 00:49:52.530
kind of reaction. I was going to write, uh -oh,
00:49:52.570 --> 00:49:55.809
in my notes. And I got, uh, and he got shot.
00:49:57.809 --> 00:50:00.869
It turns out it was revenge for belly bats and
00:50:00.869 --> 00:50:03.929
lots of other things. How did the Gambinos know?
00:50:04.750 --> 00:50:07.809
They probably just pieced it together. And in
00:50:07.809 --> 00:50:11.750
real life, I don't know. But that's what they
00:50:11.750 --> 00:50:13.829
figured it out, I think. Probably because there
00:50:13.829 --> 00:50:17.289
were other witnesses to the altercation. I do
00:50:17.289 --> 00:50:21.210
think the actual murder of Billy Batts wasn't
00:50:21.210 --> 00:50:25.590
the same night as the shoeshine altercation.
00:50:25.630 --> 00:50:27.969
I think it was a couple of weeks later. But it
00:50:27.969 --> 00:50:30.170
was one of those things where people put two
00:50:30.170 --> 00:50:32.559
and two together, I think. Although, I mean,
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.059
or maybe Tommy bragged about it. I don't know
00:50:35.059 --> 00:50:37.400
that that seems likely because I'm just like
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.079
when you're in this world, it's like I'm sure
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:40.920
there are confrontations between people all the
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.000
time. Anybody could be a killer. When Jimmy finds
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.719
out about Tommy, Jimmy breaks down and cries
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.539
because he had a brotherly relationship with
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:54.059
Tommy. Really good performance by Robert De Niro
00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:59.349
here. Yeah. So Sunday, May 11th, 1980. Henry
00:50:59.349 --> 00:51:01.889
loads his car with a bag of guns and notices
00:51:01.889 --> 00:51:05.969
a helicopter following him. Henry looks awful.
00:51:06.230 --> 00:51:09.849
They made him look so pallid. Well, you didn't
00:51:09.849 --> 00:51:13.750
mention it, but because he's been selling cocaine,
00:51:13.989 --> 00:51:17.400
but he's also been using cocaine. And so is Sandy,
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.480
very heavily. And so is Karen. Apparently Karen,
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.340
yeah. I was like, when did Karen start doing
00:51:22.340 --> 00:51:25.420
cocaine? But they both look awful, and there's
00:51:25.420 --> 00:51:29.699
a reason for that. The way that the scene for
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:34.119
this day is edited, the editing is a lot more
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:36.119
hectic. It makes things a lot more tense and
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:41.559
paranoid. The music changes are very abrupt and
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:45.460
loud. And I love the way that it amps up the
00:51:45.460 --> 00:51:49.539
tension and makes things feel like, well, you're
00:51:49.539 --> 00:51:53.760
it puts you in the shoes of a paranoid cocaine
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:57.340
addled mobster who is likely going to be arrested
00:51:57.340 --> 00:52:00.619
by the end of the day. Yeah. Henry goes to pick
00:52:00.619 --> 00:52:03.869
up his brother, Michael. Michael played by. Kevin
00:52:03.869 --> 00:52:06.710
Corrigan. Kevin Corrigan, who's definitely a
00:52:06.710 --> 00:52:10.469
that guy. Yeah. So I watched the show Grounded
00:52:10.469 --> 00:52:14.530
for Life, which was Donald Logue. And you know,
00:52:14.550 --> 00:52:16.130
I watched some of that. Kevin Corrigan played
00:52:16.130 --> 00:52:20.489
brothers. Oh, yeah. And then Kevin Corrigan's
00:52:20.489 --> 00:52:23.489
also been in a bunch of other things. But notably,
00:52:23.630 --> 00:52:25.889
as I mentioned, when we saw him, he plays Professor
00:52:25.889 --> 00:52:30.730
Professorson in Community. And the doctor is
00:52:30.730 --> 00:52:35.010
the actor. I forget his name, but he played Clay
00:52:35.010 --> 00:52:38.610
Davis on The Wire, who's a pretty big part of
00:52:38.610 --> 00:52:42.369
The Wire. He is a very distinctive way of saying
00:52:42.369 --> 00:52:45.369
she. That's apparently just the way that the
00:52:45.369 --> 00:52:49.769
actor says it. Henry ditches the guns at Karen's
00:52:49.769 --> 00:52:53.110
parents, trying to avoid the helicopter. They
00:52:53.110 --> 00:52:55.869
go shopping, then pick the guns back up, go see
00:52:55.869 --> 00:52:58.809
their Pittsburgh connection for drugs and to
00:52:58.809 --> 00:53:02.019
sell the guns. Karen needs a hit and is also
00:53:02.019 --> 00:53:05.739
strung out. But their babysitter, who they've
00:53:05.739 --> 00:53:08.789
been using. to smuggle things and is kind of
00:53:08.789 --> 00:53:12.610
awful. Lois. Lois. Lois gets lazy, makes a call
00:53:12.610 --> 00:53:16.309
from the house, and that seals their fate. Henry
00:53:16.309 --> 00:53:19.789
goes to Sandy, who is also feeling very used
00:53:19.789 --> 00:53:22.449
and strung out. He feels her up just a little
00:53:22.449 --> 00:53:24.590
and then leaves because she actually is being
00:53:24.590 --> 00:53:27.070
used. So you weren't wrong, Sandy. Things slow
00:53:27.070 --> 00:53:29.449
down a bit for dinner. Then Lois, the babysitter,
00:53:29.489 --> 00:53:33.349
insists she needs her hat. She was so annoying
00:53:33.349 --> 00:53:36.159
in this scene. Because he's like, do you understand
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.139
what we're involved in here? And she's like,
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:40.559
I don't care. I need my hat. I'm like, I'm going
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.840
to hit you. You're really taking your life into
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.599
your hands. Although I guess, did Henry kill
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.219
anyone? No. Okay. I didn't think so. At least
00:53:51.219 --> 00:53:54.380
he never admitted to it. Right. Well, yeah. They
00:53:54.380 --> 00:53:58.519
go to leave to get her hat, but they are stopped.
00:53:59.050 --> 00:54:01.989
and greeted by cops outside the house and arrested.
00:54:02.730 --> 00:54:06.670
Maybe she was setting him up, but then she looks
00:54:06.670 --> 00:54:11.190
just like not very smart when she gets dragged
00:54:11.190 --> 00:54:13.909
into the police station. So both of those things,
00:54:13.969 --> 00:54:15.389
I'm like, no, she didn't. She didn't set him
00:54:15.389 --> 00:54:17.929
up. She just really needed her lucky hat. Karen
00:54:17.929 --> 00:54:20.389
frantically tries to flush all of the cocaine
00:54:20.389 --> 00:54:25.070
and drops a gun right in her underwear. And that
00:54:25.070 --> 00:54:28.980
cuts to everyone at the police station. And the
00:54:28.980 --> 00:54:32.639
cops grilling everyone and finding all of the
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.599
paraphernalia and residue at the evidence that
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.320
they gathered. Henry is worried about getting
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.519
killed. Polly is mad about the drugs. And Jimmy
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:43.460
is a wild card. Nobody really knows what's going
00:54:43.460 --> 00:54:46.000
to happen there. Henry and Karen are broke and
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.260
beat down because they don't have any cash or
00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:54.409
drugs. Henry goes to Polly. Well, Henry. flips
00:54:54.409 --> 00:54:57.309
out because karen flushed the drugs down the
00:54:57.309 --> 00:55:00.469
toilet she did have to do that right like she
00:55:00.469 --> 00:55:03.170
didn't get arrested so like she made the right
00:55:03.170 --> 00:55:06.210
choice he's i mean i understand that his reaction
00:55:06.210 --> 00:55:09.989
is because he's desperate he's desperate and
00:55:09.989 --> 00:55:14.010
he's possibly experiencing withdrawal from drugs
00:55:14.010 --> 00:55:17.030
but like I understand why his reaction is the
00:55:17.030 --> 00:55:18.769
way that it is, but I just wanted to confirm
00:55:18.769 --> 00:55:21.269
that you also agree that she did what she needed
00:55:21.269 --> 00:55:23.489
to do. Like, that was probably the right choice
00:55:23.489 --> 00:55:26.550
on her part. Probably, yeah. Karen's mother puts
00:55:26.550 --> 00:55:30.469
up her house to get the money to bail him out.
00:55:30.590 --> 00:55:35.889
Karen's mother must hate Henry so much. Henry
00:55:35.889 --> 00:55:40.570
goes to Polly. Polly gives him... $3 ,200 severance
00:55:40.570 --> 00:55:43.050
pay and says, now I got to turn my back on you.
00:55:43.090 --> 00:55:45.829
So that's it. I think it's completely reasonable.
00:55:46.309 --> 00:55:49.250
But that's also it's it's funny how much the
00:55:49.250 --> 00:55:52.230
mob life and corporate life are not entirely
00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:55.909
dissimilar. I mean, he says $3 ,200. It's all
00:55:55.909 --> 00:55:57.769
I get for a lifetime of service. And it's like
00:55:57.769 --> 00:56:01.929
a lot of people don't even get that much. Business
00:56:01.929 --> 00:56:05.260
is business. Karen goes to see Jimmy. Jimmy is
00:56:05.260 --> 00:56:08.760
acting super suspicious in this scene. Tells
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.400
her to go see some Dior dresses in a creepy abandoned
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.260
storefront with some shady dudes inside. But
00:56:14.260 --> 00:56:18.019
Karen sensibly declines and bugs the fuck out.
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:20.159
I was like, Karen, get out of there. It's a trap.
00:56:20.380 --> 00:56:23.400
Very terrified. Nobody ever tells you that they're
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.590
going to kill you. murderers come with smiles.
00:56:27.389 --> 00:56:30.429
Henry goes to meet Jimmy at a diner. Jimmy asks
00:56:30.429 --> 00:56:33.909
Henry to go murder someone in Florida, but Jimmy's
00:56:33.909 --> 00:56:36.369
never done that before. And Henry knows that
00:56:36.369 --> 00:56:39.650
this is how he would get murdered. So Karen and
00:56:39.650 --> 00:56:43.349
Henry are now talking to the real life prosecutor
00:56:43.349 --> 00:56:46.690
who handled Henry Hill's case. So he's playing
00:56:46.690 --> 00:56:48.630
himself. Oh my God. He was my favorite character.
00:56:50.969 --> 00:56:53.329
It's very no nonsense. This is how it's going
00:56:53.329 --> 00:56:55.230
to be. No, seriously. Cause it's like, Karen
00:56:55.230 --> 00:56:58.489
is being really naive and she's like, I didn't
00:56:58.489 --> 00:57:00.829
do. And he's like, don't give me that. Like you,
00:57:01.010 --> 00:57:04.750
we have you on phone calls. Like he's doing what
00:57:04.750 --> 00:57:07.050
he could to help them in this situation, but
00:57:07.050 --> 00:57:09.650
they're being like, she especially is being just
00:57:09.650 --> 00:57:13.190
like really stupid kind of. And he's like, no,
00:57:13.210 --> 00:57:15.949
stop it. Like this is ridiculous. And I'm like,
00:57:15.989 --> 00:57:18.710
he's right. That was the real life guy. He was
00:57:18.710 --> 00:57:21.500
playing himself. She's. doesn't want to go into
00:57:21.500 --> 00:57:23.440
witness protection because she won't be able
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:27.260
to see her parents. And Henry's probably like,
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:29.780
that's not a problem. Well, yeah. First of all,
00:57:29.860 --> 00:57:31.579
Henry's probably like, good. That's a benefit.
00:57:31.739 --> 00:57:33.760
Put that in the pro column for going into witness
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.579
protection. But also, I'm like, you also can't
00:57:36.579 --> 00:57:38.900
see or help your parents if you're dead. Right.
00:57:39.099 --> 00:57:42.820
Good point. Polly and Jimmy get arrested and
00:57:42.820 --> 00:57:45.760
Henry testifies against them, putting them away.
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.619
And then the really cool scene where the narration
00:57:49.619 --> 00:57:53.940
turns into Henry breaking the fourth wall, getting
00:57:53.940 --> 00:57:55.900
up from the witness stand and talking straight
00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:59.800
to the camera to complete the narration. Yeah,
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:02.199
it was really cool. Henry's now an average nobody.
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And it wraps up him talking about how he's a
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nobody, a schmuck, can't even get decent pasta.
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A schnook. A schnook. and can't even get decent
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pasta, goes to get the paper in his bathrobe,
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has a vision of Tommy shooting him, and then
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it ends with a Ramones cover of My Way and the
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end credits. Do we know where they are? I don't
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know. The movie doesn't say. And the movie does
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give title cards about what happened to the real
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-life villains and how Karen and... Henry did
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separate. Yeah. And I believe 1990. Yeah, 90
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in 1990. Yeah, they separated in 1990. I think
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they got divorced a few years later. So yeah,
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that's the movie. Yeah, it was really good. It
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was really good. It was upsetting. It was hard
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to watch some things. But like, obviously, it
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was an excellent movie. I just feel like Being
00:59:01.389 --> 00:59:04.989
a gangster seems so exhausting because you have
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to like, I mean, all the stuff you have to do,
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but also you have to watch your back all the
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time. Because the thing is that, I mean, you
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know, there's no honor among thieves and then
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extend that to all different kinds of crime.
00:59:14.949 --> 00:59:17.409
I'm like, these people, like I mentioned before,
00:59:17.570 --> 00:59:21.050
I loved the camaraderie that they had and how
00:59:21.050 --> 00:59:23.289
they congratulated Henry when he got arrested
00:59:23.289 --> 00:59:26.510
for the first time and their family and all this
00:59:26.510 --> 00:59:30.420
stuff. can't trust them, the second something
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goes wrong, they're going to kill you. Yeah.
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And that just seems really exhausting. No kidding.
00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:41.639
Also, Tobin Bell is in the movie. He is. Jigsaw
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is in the movie. Who does he play? He plays a
00:59:45.219 --> 00:59:49.079
parole officer. He's on screen for like two seconds.
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And he has like one line. He has like one line.
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I think he just is ushering Jimmy into his parole
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.949
meeting or whatever. And I but like. You said
00:59:57.949 --> 00:59:59.989
to me, because I was like, oh, my God. And you
00:59:59.989 --> 01:00:01.550
were like, it was Tobin Bell. I'm like, oh, there
01:00:01.550 --> 01:00:05.230
was no doubt in my mind. I see other people in
01:00:05.230 --> 01:00:08.269
movies. Kevin Corrigan. I'm like, oh, that's
01:00:08.269 --> 01:00:11.480
Kevin Corrigan, right? I think I recognize people.
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.019
He has a very distinctive look. He has a very
01:00:13.019 --> 01:00:14.840
distinctive look. I recognize people, but I'm
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:16.659
also always like a little bit doubtful. I'm like,
01:00:16.739 --> 01:00:19.239
that's this person, right? I was like, that is
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:23.079
Tobin Bell. He's in profile for less than half
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a sec, like less than less than 30 seconds. He's
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and you only see him from profile. You immediately.
01:00:29.019 --> 01:00:32.750
I mean, OK, like. Famously, he was laying on
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a floor where you can only see his profile for
01:00:36.110 --> 01:00:40.190
the entire runtime of Saw 1. So I know what that
01:00:40.190 --> 01:00:44.409
profile looks like. I was so excited because
01:00:44.409 --> 01:00:46.369
I'm like, oh, my God, we're covering this for
01:00:46.369 --> 01:00:48.230
the podcast. And I always find a way to bring
01:00:48.230 --> 01:00:50.170
up Saw. And this time I don't even need to like
01:00:50.170 --> 01:00:53.809
stretch. Yeah, exactly. Jigsaw is in the movie.
01:00:53.849 --> 01:00:56.949
And I feel like maybe he orchestrated this whole
01:00:56.949 --> 01:01:04.159
thing. What are Jigsaw's thoughts about rats
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:07.860
and snitches? Well, I don't think he likes them.
01:01:08.059 --> 01:01:11.980
I don't think that he appreciates snitches. But
01:01:11.980 --> 01:01:17.280
they did it to save their own lives. It's a gray
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:19.559
area. I would love to check in with him on this.
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.599
I would love to get his feedback on what he thinks.
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:27.719
So I was so happy to see him. And like, okay,
01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:30.530
this is the thing is that. Tobin Bell didn't
01:01:30.530 --> 01:01:33.530
really break out until Saw. Like that's what
01:01:33.530 --> 01:01:36.130
he's known for. But he was acting for a long
01:01:36.130 --> 01:01:39.050
time. And he just had like small roles like this.
01:01:39.190 --> 01:01:42.170
And so I'm just like so happy for him that he
01:01:42.170 --> 01:01:48.070
grew up to be Jigsaw. So I just had to mention
01:01:48.070 --> 01:01:52.730
that, of course. Also, I have a theory that Tommy
01:01:52.730 --> 01:01:55.929
did not actually get killed. He faked his own
01:01:55.929 --> 01:01:59.820
death. And then he started practicing law so
01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:04.099
that he could later go to Alabama to save his
01:02:04.099 --> 01:02:07.619
nephew, Ralph Macchio. Those are very different
01:02:07.619 --> 01:02:11.599
characters. I feel like he reformed. No, but
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.699
he did go into hiding and then found a partner
01:02:16.699 --> 01:02:19.539
and they became burglars in the Chicago area.
01:02:19.699 --> 01:02:23.519
OK, yes, yes, that that that's a little more
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.940
in line, I guess. But. Yeah, okay, sure. That's
01:02:27.940 --> 01:02:30.280
fine. I'll go with that. So those are my closing
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:31.719
thoughts. Those are your closing thoughts. The
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:33.739
most important closing thoughts that I could
01:02:33.739 --> 01:02:36.800
possibly have about this movie. Tobin Bell's
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:41.340
in it. Tommy became a wet bandit. Or a New York
01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:44.570
lawyer practicing in Alabama. Either or. OK,
01:02:44.650 --> 01:02:47.230
so but you liked the movie. I did. No, I thought
01:02:47.230 --> 01:02:49.570
it was it was excellent. I will say this is one
01:02:49.570 --> 01:02:51.710
that I think that I probably would watch again.
01:02:51.789 --> 01:02:53.750
There are some movies like I honestly don't know
01:02:53.750 --> 01:02:55.389
that I would ever want to watch Fight Club again.
01:02:55.510 --> 01:02:59.110
It was just too grim, like just as an example.
01:02:59.369 --> 01:03:02.289
But this one, it made me feel a lot of feelings
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and a lot of them were not good. But I think
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I would watch it again, maybe in like 10 years.
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Well, I look forward to watching it again with
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you in 10 years. In the meantime, thank you for
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listening to us and we will catch you on the
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next episode. I'm Dan. I'm Heather. And this
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has been Blind Spots and Second Thoughts.