Ep. 389 - Q&A - October, 2026

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keep it squatchy, yeah. And now your hosts, Cliff Berkman
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and James Bobo Faye. Hey, Bobo, what's happening, man?
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Not a mucho. What's up with you, Cliff?
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A lot, as usual. But, you know, that's the way
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I roll, apparently. At least what's keeping me busy is
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keeping me out of trouble and keeping me interested.
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Yeah.
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And, of course, I was in the museum today because
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today was my day off. First day I wasn't working
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in four... I've been working the last four days. So
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what do I do on my day off? I go
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into work because my work isn't always at the museum.
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This past week I was in my laboratory with David Zagan,
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the Dramatoglyphics expert. I think instead of telling you what
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my impressions were with David, I think I'm going to
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let David explain it himself at some point. When he
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has a chance to digest everything he saw, we'll invite
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him back on the podcast maybe and see what he
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has to say.
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What's his credentials again?
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Oh, he has a bunch of letters behind his name.
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It's not like a PhD thing. He's basically an expert
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in Dramatoglyphics and skin, surface skin detail.
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Oh, that guy, he's from Georgia?
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Yeah, yeah, he's a cop in Georgia. Yeah, and he's
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like one of, two people, I think, in the state
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of Georgia that is qualified to do.
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What he does.
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And I know that he gets farmed out to other
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police departments a lot when they have homicides. And every
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day of his life, he was working with homicides and
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all this kind of thing and mostly focused on Dramatoglyphics.
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So he is uniquely qualified to check out the evidence.
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Yeah.
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And it seemed to me he was very impressed. And
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I mean, I don't want to give too much away
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or anything like that, but I'm sure glad I showed
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this stuff to him. I think it might have I'm
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confident that it impressed him greatly. But again, he has
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a lot of digesting to do, shall we say. He
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was shown evidence that is uniquely in his court. That
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is his wheelhouse. That is his lane. And so he
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needs some time to digest it and also to go
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over the copious number of photographs that he took. We
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got through, I think, about 50 casts, and it literally
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took well over 20 hours. He was, we were in
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there Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday from like nine 30 in
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the morning until, you know, five, six, seven or something
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like that. You know, pretty much every day. One day
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we had to go to the museum early at four,
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but besides that, we're there hours and hours and hours
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every day. And he was just there. And he had
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asked you about foot. Like we went methodically through the,
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just the blue mountain evidence, by the way, only the
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blue mountain evidence. Cause there is a huge difference between
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looking at a first generation cast and an original. And so, yeah.
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You lose 30% on the reproduction, something like that?
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You definitely lose something. I don't know how to quantify that,
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and it probably depends on the molding material and everything else,
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but a significant loss of detail happens with every generation.
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So we went through all the originals that I had
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and took a peek at them and very, very impressed.
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I know some scientists said you lose about 30% from
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the original to the first gen.
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I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. But, you know,
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the great thing about that, well, there's a lot of
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great things about that. It's finally to get somebody's eyes
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on the evidence. I mean, besides Jimmy Chilcutt, not that
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I don't know much about Jimmy Chilcutt's qualifications or anything
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like that, but he's been the only one to look
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at this stuff, really, with those sort of eyes. Yeah,
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so it was nice to have another guy, you know,
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take a look at it. And when I say another guy,
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I mean, don't get me wrong, he's legitimately a highly
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qualified expert in this kind of forensics. So we'll have
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him on maybe in a few weeks or something like
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that to see what he has to say about it
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once he's done digesting the, you know, the overload that
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I shoved inside of his brain there, you know, shoved
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inside of his eyeballs there. But, you know, a great
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thing about that, another side benefit of this, I think,
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is that while he was busy taking pictures of all
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these footprint casts from a million different angles and marking
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things down and taking notes and all this other stuff
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he was doing, I was just sitting around. So I
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didn't just sit around. I finally, finally got through the
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first flush of the Meldrum materials. Like all those stacks
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of papers on the filing cabinets behind me that my members,
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the NABC members have been seeing in my membership videos
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and all the stuff that you guys saw, both of you,
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you and Matt, who's back here somewhere working around, all
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that stuff that was on top of the filing cabinets,
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I have finally gone through for the first time. And
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so I've sorted it out in very, very rough order.
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patterns and piles and folders and this and that. And
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now I've started working my way through the second time
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through all the paperwork, which is just making it more
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and more organized every time I do it. I've gotten
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through the letter E now in Meldrum's general files, which
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doesn't include the people files or the Vance Orchard files
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or the footprint find data either. But still, it's a
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lot of progress. Legitimately over 20 hours of work in
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a row. On the Meldrum stuff. So that was a
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fantastic opportunity for me to kind of section out my
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life in that sort of way and get that done.
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I think it's probably worth mentioning because we're recording this
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on Friday, October the 16th, and the film Capturing Bigfoot
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will be released for public consumption on October the 20th
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via Amazon Prime. So when this episode comes out the
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Monday before that, I'm sure it's going to be on
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everyone's minds all week. It's not like all of our
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listeners listen on the Monday that it's released. So just
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so everyone knows, as we're recording this, we have not
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seen the film yet. We were offered screener links that
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we said yes to multiple times, and then those links
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never arrived. So we haven't gotten the chance to, but
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we are going to watch it. And after we watch it,
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we're going to do a big deep dive episode and
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just discuss freely about like what we saw, what our
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impressions were, what we make of it all. So until then,
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We're not being mum about anything. We just literally have
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not seen it. But as soon as we see it,
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we are going to record episodes about it. And we'll
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probably get some guests related to the film to talk
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about their experiences and what they see in it, too.
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Yeah, because it really doesn't do anybody any good to
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talk about something we haven't seen. Although, as usual, that
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doesn't stop the Bigfoot community. They seem to enjoy ranting
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about various things they know nothing about. So let them
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do that. And in the meantime, you just wait until
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we see it, because I've already now that the film
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has been out and been observed by a fair number
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of people at these various premieres and showings and stuff
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in various towns. There was one even in Portland this
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past week. I wasn't able to make it. I had
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previous obligations that night. But immediately, as soon as people
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got out of the movie, I started getting texts from
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people I haven't heard from in a long time. And again,
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just like before people saw it, it's all over the place.
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Some people say, oh, it's exactly the same, blah, blah, blah.
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It's clearly a hoax. And other people are saying, oh,
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this is nonsense. This isn't a hoax at all. And again,
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there's no consensus. So I am not one to put
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a lot of faith in other people's observations. And I
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would rather not let them decide for me what I
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think about it. So we got to wait till we
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see it. And like Matt says, we've been promised screeners twice, actually.
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Haven't seen them yet. It's only been a few weeks,
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so we'll see. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.
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I'm looking forward to seeing it. That's for, but you
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know what I do like is Daniel Perez saw it
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and I had a conversation with him about it. And
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one of the things he said is like, it's actually
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a really great documentary. If like, if you're interested in
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Roger Patterson and seeing some of the historical photographs and
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all that kind of stuff, Daniel Perez, who is a
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staunch supporter of the PG film, and I think it's
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fair to say is a legitimate expert in the Patterson-Gimlin film,
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said he really liked that part of the documentary. So
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I'm looking forward to seeing it because I am also
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a fan of Bigfoot history. Because remember, Clint Patterson visited
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me like a month or two ago in the museum.
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We had a wonderful conversation and I spent at least
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an hour, probably like an hour and a half or
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more with the guy. And literally out of that hour,
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hour and a half, I would guess less than five
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minutes of our conversation, cumulative, even mention the Patterson-Gilman film
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or this documentary. We just had so many other things
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to speak about because I love Bigfoot history, so I'm
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looking forward to seeing it.
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Yeah, I want to see it.
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For sure.
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So I can tear it apart. Yeah, we'll see.
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We'll see, you know. Again, I will go wherever the
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evidence takes me. Because the evidence brought me to think
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that the Sasquatch was real in the PG film. And
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if the evidence is there, I will go the other
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direction if I need to. I mean, look what I
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did to London tracks. I'm on TV saying they're real, right?
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But the evidence brought me somewhere else. The egg is
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on my face, man. And I'm not afraid to admit
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it because that's what good science is. Follow the evidence.
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Don't believe what people say. Follow the evidence. So I'm excited.
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I'm excited to see it.
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I got an egg on my face and all over
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my shirt.
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Oh, man. Well, you know, you and I were the
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kind of people we just eat it off. It's like, oh,
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shirt eggs. Love it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
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beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after
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these messages.
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There is a voicemail about a previous Bobo statement. So
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maybe we can start with that and see if there's
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any egg on face or not. If you want to
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start with that question for our October 2026 Q & A.
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Let's do it.
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All righty.
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So here is your first voicemail. Hey, Cliff, Bobo and
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Matt Pruitt.
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This is Matt from Cleveland, Ohio, with another question.
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So this goes to Bobo again.
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Bobo, I understand that you were on a Joe Rogan
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podcast a long while back, and I remember you were
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telling Joe Rogan about Paul Freeman, or you guys were
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watching a Paul Freeman video, and then you mentioned that
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Paul Freeman had another video that was unreleased where he
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gets bluff charged by a big male Sasquatch. Do you
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know if that video is available anywhere or is it
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permanently gone?
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Thank you and keep it Squatchy.
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I heard that it never even, like that wasn't even his.
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I saw it at, God, in Portland at Western Bigfoot Society.
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I went to their meeting one time back in like
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the early 90s. I guess it was like 90 or 91,
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and I met Ray Crow, and he had a VHS
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copy that he said was Freeman, and it looked like
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a gorilla. Maybe it was, maybe it was just like
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from Africa or something, but he was walking, and the
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thing charged him from the right, and it was blurry
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and stuff, but it was like 80s video camera technology,
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so it wasn't like the best. But then I talked
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to Michael, his son, and he said he'd never heard
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anything about it. And then what Ray told me was
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that Paul would never release it because he panicked so
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hard in it and, like, pooed and peed his pants
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when it happened. And whoever took the video, it sounded
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like him. Then I've talked to other people that said
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they'd never even heard anything about it. So I don't know.
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Yeah, I've got a couple things to say about that.
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whatever it's worth. I think that what is happening here,
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I mean, you may have seen a video or something
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back in the day that was attributed to Paul Freeman,
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but I think that as far as Paul getting bluff
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charged and all this other stuff, there was some discrepancy
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in Paul's account of the deduct footage. He was pretty
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scared at that time. He was really scared, actually, at
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the time. And that's why I talked to Michael at
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great length about this. First of all, the beginning of
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Matt from Cleveland's question here is that there's previous footage
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there is previous footage taken by paul freeman he got
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footage in april of 1992 of a sasquatch but it
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was at a great distance on a lousy format camera
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and he never released it really i mean it was
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shown on the news once or twice and he didn't
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like disown it or something but it it was never
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it never really made the rounds like the deduct footage
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did the deduct footage is the one was oh there
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he goes you know that one that's the deduct footage
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And I think we should all as a community rally
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around like calling it the D-Duck footage instead of the
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Freeman footage, because there are two pieces of video of
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Sasquatches taken by Paul Freeman. So the D-Duck footage, the
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thing we all know that it kind of steps out,
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it kind of glances over at him. It's called the
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head snap, like, you know, and then it goes behind
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the tree. It stands there for a moment, goes behind
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another tree, and then it walks off to the side.
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Paul is pretty discombobulated at the time. He's looking around
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for it. He doesn't see it. Turns out he's looking
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in the very wrong direction. We've done recreations both at
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the site and then back home on the computer showing
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what direction he was looking at the time. He was
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looking in the wrong area for the animal. It wasn't
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actually that far away from him. It was probably behind
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a tree anyway. And at some point, and I recently,
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like last week or the week before, talked to Michael
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Freeman about this again. At some point, He gets the
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camera and he moves forward. And you know, everybody, I
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think most people know about the quote unquote baby lift
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part where it may or may not be lifting up
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a baby at the time because there's these dangly things
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that kind of look like feet as the thing walks
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away from the camera. Well, it is during that segment,
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I believe, that he goes, oh, I guess there's two
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of them or something to that effect. We don't know
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what kind of camera he used. There are some old
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pictures of it. I believe it's a Sony. I have
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to go check my records, but that doesn't appear to
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have a side viewfinder on it like modern day video
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cameras do, you know, where there's like that little TV
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screen that folds out from the side. So that means
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Paul was looking through the viewfinder while he was filming
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this thing. Now, Michael and I think, you see, because
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the story after that is like, oh, there was one
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charging at him and it was deformed and it had
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this like big, like Quasimodo, a hunchback sort of shape
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on it and it was ugly and blah, blah, blah.
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That was more or less Paul's account of, of what
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happened in the newspaper reports for the day after. He
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was terrified, right? Which is why I think he probably
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exaggerated some of the things and there's some discrepancies in
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what he said about the footage after the fact. But
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if he was looking through that viewfinder as the thing
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walked away and he thought that there were two of them,
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what Michael and I think happened, and again, I think this,
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so I'm going to say I think I'm right about this.
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Maybe I'm not. But we think that while the thing
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was walking away, It was pretty big. It filled up
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a significant portion of the viewfinder, right? Because they're big animals.
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We think that he thought it was moving towards him
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when it was actually moving away from him. And that
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big hunchback sort of disfigurement that he commented on was
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actually possibly the juvenile that it picked up. Because it
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picked it up and apes, including humans, kind of carry
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our babies around, right? So that kind of makes some
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sense with what we think might be happening with that
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piece of footage. So Paul was terrified at the time.
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He was terrified. And it does make sense that if
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he's looking through this tiny little viewfinder, that he would
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mistake the motion of the animal who was actually moving
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away from him as moving towards him. Now, Bobo, if
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you saw some sort of footage like that, what I
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think we have here is all the ingredients of a
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misunderstanding that goes into some sort of Bigfoot mythology bucket,
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where these things have been propagated around so much, we've
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all heard various versions of the same story. Bobo may
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have seen some sort of guerrilla footage back in the day.
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Paul did, in fact, get previous footage from the deduct footage.
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And also he got charged or he thought he got
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charged when the thing was actually just walking away at
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the deduct site. So I think that what we have
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here is a, are the ingredients of a, a Bigfoot
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mythology soup. Basically everything went in the pot and you know,
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everybody wants, everybody tastes it a little bit different. You
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know what I mean?
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Yeah. Cause this thing was on all fours. It was
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charging through the brush.
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Yeah. Well, that certainly sounds like a gorilla to me, right?
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And Ray Crow, I mean, Ray Crow, he told you himself,
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where are your skepticals? You know, when you read the
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track record or anything else that he did for that matter.
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I spent time with Ray Crow a little bit before
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he died, about a week and a half, two weeks
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before he died. And he didn't know if these things
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were real or not. He just liked the people and
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he liked the subject and he thought it was fun
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and everything. And it's not like he didn't think they
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were real or didn't think they were real for that matter.
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Either way, that's not why he was doing it. He
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was just throwing everything against the wall to see what stuck, man.
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So the other thing about that meeting I went to
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was it was like a lot of really old people
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and like half the meeting was about geology and rocks
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and people pulling out like gems, you know, like just
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stuff they'd found like out, you know, rock picking.
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Oh yeah.
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Ray Crowe was, I believe he's a pretty prolific rock hound.
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He really enjoyed that sort of thing. And Oregon is
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fantastic for agates and all sorts of cool little rocks
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and stuff. I'm not really a rock hound myself. Don't
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know much about it, but I believe that was a
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very prevalent theme at those meetings.
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I never went to one, but I do have a
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fair number of them on videotape.
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Oh, you do?
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Yeah, I got a couple of them. Yeah, through the
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Freeman Collection. Of course, I'm good friends with Larry Lund.
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He recorded a whole lot of those things back in
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the day.
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And yeah.
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I wonder if Larry was there when I was at
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that one.
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Probably.
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Probably. I think he was at most of it. You know,
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that's how I met Larry Lund, actually. I was traveling
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through the Pacific Northwest back in 1997, and I was
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a subscriber to the track record back then. Had been
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for years. And so I reached out to Ray Crow
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and said, hey, man, I'm one of your subscribers. You
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don't know me, but I'm in town. Can I come
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by and check out your bookstore and see the stuff
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you have? And he goes, oh, man, we had a
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flood this week. Why don't you, and all this stuff's
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over at Larry's house. Why don't you call him to
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see if he'd have you over? And I did. And
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Larry was apprehensive, understandably. I wouldn't let people come to
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my house. But Larry's a nicer guy than I am.
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So he let me come over and we spent a
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couple hours together and we've been friends ever since. And
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that was, God, almost 30 years ago now.
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That's insane.
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Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
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We'll be right back after these messages.
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Speaking of Bluff Creek and related things, here's a good
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question for you guys who have experience with Bluff Creek
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in all seasons.
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Okay, this one comes from Scott Reed. My family and
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I live on the South Australian coast and are traveling
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to California for the first time in December. We will
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be spending a few days in Willow Creek to satisfy
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my love and endless curiosity with Bigfoot. We'll visit the museum,
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but I'd like to know how best to spend our
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time to really explore all things Bigfoot. Looks to me
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like getting to Bluff Creek is really difficult, perhaps even risky,
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for someone who is unfamiliar with the area. Really love
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the show and your scientific and logical approach to the subject.
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You go up the go road. the ic like e-y-e-s-e-e
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it's also called the gold road because it was going
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to be the connector road from gaskey to orleans which
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never got finished because of cultural native sites that block
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the road construction so it's just like a 27 or
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28 mile whatever road that just dead ends out in
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the middle of nowhere so you can drive that year-round
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if they year, the El Nino is supposed to bring
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most of the precipitation to the south of us. So
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it might be open. Some years it stays open like
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almost the whole year, but usually about 14, 12 to
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15 miles up. There's snow like drifts and that blocked
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the whole road. They don't plow it. But even if
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you do, if you can get up to above Bluff Creek,
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like where you turn off for 12 and 12 and
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12 and 13, the roads that take you down to
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Louse Camp and all that, they gate that off because
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there's a port Orford tree. There's a root rot fungus
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that's been going around for like 20, 25 years or whatever.
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So they lock it off to protect the port Orford
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cedar so they don't get this disease. So they gate
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it off the 21st of October every year. Or earlier,
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if there's heavy, heavy rains, they'll even gate it off
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sooner because the disease gets, when the runoff comes off
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the hills, it brings it down onto the roads. So
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once it starts really heavy rain, like the first big rain,
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heavy rainstorm, they'll gate it off.
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But gosh, the Willow Creek Museum is in itself worth
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the visit, man. It's a great little museum with amazing
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historical artifacts in there.
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Yeah.
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And no, you're only seven or eight hours from my
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museum as well.
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Oh, Cliff's museum blows that one away.
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Oh, well, in a different way. We present things differently.
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And also, for whatever it's worth, I've been working with
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the Willow Creek Museum. And from what I understand, this
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is the winter where they're going to be doing a
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pretty big renovation. I'm going to be helping them as
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much as they want. on their renovation and helping them
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however I can with artifacts, with the information, with the
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stuff that I have that is about that area. You know,
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like those Bob Titmuss photographs from 1963 with the high
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and bomb tracks in the ground and amazing stuff is
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going to be on display at the Willow Creek Museum.
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So I strongly encourage you to take a visit over
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there and give them your support.
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Oh yeah, it's worth, oh, it's definitely worth going to
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the Yeah, yours is, I mean, if you're coming from
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South Australia and you go to Willow Creek, you definitely
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got to make it up to Boring.
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I dare say it might be worth the trip.
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Yep, it is. I'm not just saying that because you're
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sitting here. I mean, it's awesome.
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I can go sit somewhere else and see if you
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still say it.
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Yeah, you drive up as far as, I mean, whatever,
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go to Orleans, go up the go road, just go
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as far as you can. Then, you know, until you
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hit the snow drifts, you can't get past And then
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you'll get, it's the same, I mean, once you get there,
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you don't have to get to Bluff Creek. It's the
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same geology, you know, around there, and trees, and it's all,
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you get the idea.
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Yeah, yeah, and it's a different thing altogether if you
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want to go to the site or the film site
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or something. But, you know, why don't you just go
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to the, Highway 96 will probably be open, and there's
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a really cool sign that says Bluff Creek as you
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go over it. Just go take your pictures there and stuff,
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and then you've been to Bluff Creek. Crawl down the cliff,
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touch the water, dunk your head in there. It'd be
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really cold, but at least you baptize yourself.
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Roll around naked.
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Yeah, I've done it.
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Yeah, you got to.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, Cliff took me to the film site and Tyler
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and I got in this big pool and Cliff had
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mentioned like, oh yeah, I ran into some geologist down
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here who said this water was like really pristine and clean.
484
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So Tyler and I were in our skivvies swimming in
485
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the creek and just drinking right out of the water,
486
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you know, and I was filling up my Nalgene and
487
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drinking it and Cliff was like, what are you guys doing?
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And we were like, Well, you said you met some
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geologist who said the water was pristine. And Cliff's like, yeah,
490
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but I didn't say I believed him. But we didn't
491
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get sick, thankfully.
492
00:23:25.210 --> 00:23:27.109
I drink that water all the time. It's fine.
493
00:23:27.869 --> 00:23:30.230
Yeah, but you also have street food in Vietnam and
494
00:23:30.250 --> 00:23:31.990
stuff like that and rarely get sick from that sort
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of thing, except for Nepal.
496
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Yeah.
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00:23:34.549 --> 00:23:37.890
Yeah, you have an iron constitution for whatever it's worth. Yeah.
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I train.
499
00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:43.880
I train by eating disgusting food all the time that
500
00:23:43.900 --> 00:23:47.890
should be thrown out. I had that problem with Melissa, man. Like, oh,
501
00:23:47.930 --> 00:23:50.109
this was put in the fridge two days ago. It's
502
00:23:50.150 --> 00:23:53.130
not good anymore. It's like, oh, you've never been like
503
00:23:53.190 --> 00:23:56.430
a single man living alone, have you, my wife?
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00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:58.470
Korea's the same way.
505
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.380
Yeah, well, I guess once you get sick doing, you know,
506
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.299
eating food out of the fridge that's a little bit old,
507
00:24:03.339 --> 00:24:05.140
you just, you never do it again and you err
508
00:24:05.180 --> 00:24:06.119
on the side of caution.
509
00:24:06.980 --> 00:24:08.720
You'd think. Yep.
510
00:24:10.660 --> 00:24:13.250
Here is a fun one for you. And so here
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it is for you below.
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00:24:14.869 --> 00:24:17.819
Gary White Hi, Cliff and Bolo. Do you hear from
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00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:23.200
famous people about their Bigfoot sightings? Um, I know I have,
514
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:26.000
but like, not like, not, I mean, who was it?
515
00:24:26.259 --> 00:24:29.640
I've heard a couple people. Oh, I can't think right now,
516
00:24:29.660 --> 00:24:33.390
but yeah, there's not like a great, not like great sightings.
517
00:24:34.170 --> 00:24:34.930
What about you, Cliff?
518
00:24:35.509 --> 00:24:38.369
I can't think of anybody really who's quote unquote famous
519
00:24:39.029 --> 00:24:42.309
to the general public that has shared with me, honestly.
520
00:24:42.329 --> 00:24:44.710
You know, because my idea of fame is a little
521
00:24:44.750 --> 00:24:45.589
different than most people's.
522
00:24:45.940 --> 00:24:47.569
But yeah. Yeah.
523
00:24:47.589 --> 00:24:49.950
My idea of fame is like, Oh, I know you
524
00:24:49.970 --> 00:24:53.049
through Bigfoot land because you saw a Sasquatch and tell
525
00:24:53.069 --> 00:24:54.950
me about it. You know, then, then yes. You know,
526
00:24:55.009 --> 00:24:57.549
like Derek Randall's of course, you know.
527
00:24:58.329 --> 00:25:01.640
They're not even, I mean, they're not even really famous, but, uh, the,
528
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:04.099
the weirdos, the old punk rock band from the seventies
529
00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:07.359
and early eighties, those guys had a, I never got
530
00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:08.720
to talk to them then, but I talked to like
531
00:25:09.140 --> 00:25:10.759
people that know them really well and that were on
532
00:25:10.779 --> 00:25:13.259
the tour with them. They saw that one. The whole
533
00:25:13.299 --> 00:25:17.289
band saw it. Like at 7.30 in the morning, right
534
00:25:17.309 --> 00:25:20.569
by Ani Nuevo State Park on Highway 1, north of
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00:25:20.589 --> 00:25:23.930
Santa Cruz. Those guys had a setting that they talked
536
00:25:23.970 --> 00:25:26.950
about on the radio and was kind of like picked up.
537
00:25:27.170 --> 00:25:30.279
I think it was 82 or 83, 84, somewhere in there.
538
00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:33.400
And that got picked up and it was like a
539
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.500
little minor news story. I was with Bob Saget when
540
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:37.220
he heard one.
541
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:38.559
That's got to count.
542
00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:43.420
And Bobcat, go away. You heard that one in New Jersey. Yeah.
543
00:25:43.789 --> 00:25:46.309
Yeah. Well, hopefully that answers the question, Gary.
544
00:25:47.190 --> 00:25:48.369
I mean, I know you guys get a lot of
545
00:25:48.410 --> 00:25:51.250
like famous people who express their interest in the subject
546
00:25:51.269 --> 00:25:53.990
to you or famous people who come in the NABC.
547
00:25:54.029 --> 00:25:56.829
But yeah, as far as having sightings, like you just
548
00:25:56.869 --> 00:25:58.009
don't hear about that.
549
00:25:58.230 --> 00:25:59.930
I guess if you're I don't know.
550
00:25:59.970 --> 00:26:01.829
I guess if you were a famous person, I mean,
551
00:26:01.849 --> 00:26:04.329
you know, John Lennon famously saw a UFO and talked
552
00:26:04.369 --> 00:26:07.829
about it very publicly. There's a TV interview about it,
553
00:26:07.869 --> 00:26:10.079
and then he incorporated it into the artwork. I think
554
00:26:10.099 --> 00:26:12.440
it was the Walls and Bridges album that he put
555
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:14.700
the little UFO in the album artwork and stuff. So
556
00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:18.680
I guess if you're the artistic type, you're probably more
557
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.920
likely to talk about strange things that you've witnessed, but
558
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:27.450
maybe not for public intellectuals or politicians or people like that.
559
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:29.980
Well, you know, today I got a, this isn't really
560
00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:33.380
on topic, but it's kind of parallel, is today I
561
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.529
heard from the Forest Service about a report given to
562
00:26:37.589 --> 00:26:40.930
another ranger station. So I was zipping up there a
563
00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:44.150
little bit earlier today to track down the biologists who
564
00:26:44.190 --> 00:26:47.170
took the report. And I went to the office and
565
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.160
asked about it and they said, oh, I think that
566
00:26:49.180 --> 00:26:52.140
was so-and-so or whatever. He's, you know, he's the biologist here.
567
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:53.799
Is he here right now? No, no, he's not here.
568
00:26:54.059 --> 00:26:56.400
But I got his phone number and address. So Monday morning,
569
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.299
I'll be checking in with this particular Forest Service worker
570
00:26:59.779 --> 00:27:02.460
to find out about the recent Sasquatch report that was
571
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:06.220
given to this particular district. So, you know, well, I'll
572
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.119
find out more about it next week and maybe I'll
573
00:27:08.140 --> 00:27:09.420
be able to talk about it a little bit then.
574
00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:11.200
But so we'll see.
575
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:11.779
We'll see.
576
00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:14.059
But again, there goes that idea. It's like, oh, they're
577
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:15.680
hiding it from us. It's like, no, man, the Forest
578
00:27:15.700 --> 00:27:18.079
Service is telling me about it and cooperating. I don't
579
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.250
buy it. That's what they want you to think. Yeah,
580
00:27:21.289 --> 00:27:24.309
they're setting me up. Exactly. They're setting me up for
581
00:27:24.329 --> 00:27:27.049
the big fall. Yeah, I don't think so. These people
582
00:27:27.069 --> 00:27:29.309
are awfully sweet and kind and didn't know I was
583
00:27:29.349 --> 00:27:30.589
coming and all that other stuff.
584
00:27:31.670 --> 00:27:33.170
They're too low level to be in on it.
585
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:39.240
Clearly. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
586
00:27:39.259 --> 00:27:48.640
and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Well,
587
00:27:48.859 --> 00:27:51.759
I will play the next voicemail for you. There's a
588
00:27:51.809 --> 00:27:54.349
couple of questions in this one. And so here's your
589
00:27:54.369 --> 00:27:58.990
next voicemail from Larry. Hey, Cliff, Bobo, and Matt. This
590
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is Larry from the St.
591
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Louis area.
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I was just wondering if any of you had seen
593
00:28:04.990 --> 00:28:08.470
an article that just came out in Popular Mechanics about
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00:28:08.549 --> 00:28:15.190
locals having seen hairy ape-like man creatures, but now scientists
595
00:28:15.490 --> 00:28:19.609
in wherever this was in the world have discovered bones.
596
00:28:20.230 --> 00:28:22.990
Be interested to hear what you guys have to say.
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00:28:23.430 --> 00:28:27.390
And also, I understand that Gareth Patterson passed away, but
598
00:28:27.430 --> 00:28:31.059
I wondered if, before that happened, if you had any
599
00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:34.420
more information from him on what he might have found
600
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:39.599
down in Southeastern Africa. Anyway, just wanted to ask you
601
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:42.480
guys about that and keep up the good work. You
602
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:44.119
guys do a fantastic job.
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00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.000
I think the Popular Mechanics article he's referencing is a
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00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:52.109
sort of like re-publication of their article about Homo floresiensis
605
00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:55.950
and Gregory Ford's work about, you know, the potential survival
606
00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:59.509
of the little diminutive ape-like creatures that he wrote about
607
00:28:59.609 --> 00:29:00.150
in his book.
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00:29:00.710 --> 00:29:03.559
Was it called Between Ape and Human? Yeah, I think so.
609
00:29:04.230 --> 00:29:06.609
Yeah, so there is an article that's saying like, oh,
610
00:29:06.650 --> 00:29:09.089
there are people in these areas that still claim to
611
00:29:09.150 --> 00:29:10.890
see these things. And it happens to be the same
612
00:29:10.950 --> 00:29:13.880
area that the bones of Homo floresiensis were found. So
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00:29:13.890 --> 00:29:16.500
I think that's probably the Popular Mechanics article that he's
614
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.440
referring to there. So we did hear about that, Larry.
615
00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:22.960
We had the author of that book, Gregory Forth, on
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00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:24.740
the podcast in the past. So you can just dig
617
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:26.220
back through old episodes.
618
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:26.990
And find that one.
619
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.960
He's done a few interviews too. So if you're interested
620
00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:32.079
in that subject, definitely read his book or find him elsewhere.
621
00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:35.910
And then as for Gareth, I hadn't gotten any O-Tongue
622
00:29:35.990 --> 00:29:38.630
specific updates. You know, we would keep in touch, especially on,
623
00:29:38.630 --> 00:29:40.980
you know, when you get the Facebook notifications about like
624
00:29:41.019 --> 00:29:43.400
birthdays or holidays or things like that, you know, I'd
625
00:29:43.460 --> 00:29:45.339
get a message from him or I'd send him a message,
626
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.200
but it's a huge loss. And I would love to
627
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.660
know what he had been up to since, you know,
628
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:53.380
his last publication. I think he was writing a follow-up
629
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:56.640
to Beyond the Secret Elephants, but who knows if we'll
630
00:29:56.660 --> 00:29:57.259
ever get to see that.
631
00:29:57.299 --> 00:29:59.029
You guys heard anything at all or kept in touch?
632
00:29:59.829 --> 00:30:03.990
I mean, I was keeping in touch with him. And then, yeah,
633
00:30:04.150 --> 00:30:07.009
I got an email, like just a two-line email from
634
00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:11.109
his girlfriend, partner, whatever, that said that he'd passed away.
635
00:30:11.130 --> 00:30:13.230
So I had written to him and I didn't hear
636
00:30:13.269 --> 00:30:17.349
anything back from him. A few weeks later, I got
637
00:30:17.369 --> 00:30:19.869
a two-line sentence from her. And then I wrote back saying,
638
00:30:19.890 --> 00:30:22.910
you know, just sorry. You know, like, did he have,
639
00:30:23.210 --> 00:30:25.190
you know, was there anything that he, and I never
640
00:30:25.210 --> 00:30:26.339
heard back anything else.
641
00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:28.220
Yeah, it was a huge loss.
642
00:30:28.299 --> 00:30:30.200
So that'd be another one I would encourage people to
643
00:30:30.220 --> 00:30:32.519
go back and listen to our interview with Gareth Patterson.
644
00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:35.559
I interviewed him on the Apes Among Us podcast as well.
645
00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:37.680
He did a few interviews. He did a great interview
646
00:30:37.779 --> 00:30:41.640
with Alex Petikoff on Alex's YouTube live stream. So that
647
00:30:41.660 --> 00:30:43.839
would be worth checking out too. But definitely read his book,
648
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:44.900
Beyond the Secret Elephants.
649
00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:49.039
Yeah, Dr. Forsbrook was between ape and human, an anthropologist
650
00:30:49.099 --> 00:30:52.640
on a trail of a hidden hominoid. Indeed.
651
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.440
So here is a fun anecdote. I guess it's a
652
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.910
hypothetical or maybe this is practical information for our Canadian colleagues.
653
00:31:00.990 --> 00:31:03.630
So here is the next one for you there, Cliff.
654
00:31:04.430 --> 00:31:08.230
Okay, it is from Francine Fung. If one had a
655
00:31:08.329 --> 00:31:12.150
Sasquatch body in Canada, how would one get it to
656
00:31:12.250 --> 00:31:14.829
Darby or the NABC safely?
657
00:31:15.650 --> 00:31:19.960
Contact your local drug dealers and have them smuggle it across. Yeah,
658
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:22.460
I guess so. They're smuggling stuff across the borders all
659
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:22.920
the time.
660
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.519
I'm not sure what to do in Canada, honestly. I'm
661
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.059
not sure, because it would be very weird to bring
662
00:31:29.099 --> 00:31:32.299
that one across the border. You know what? The most practical,
663
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.579
simple answer is contact Darby.
664
00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:36.339
Have him come up there.
665
00:31:36.619 --> 00:31:41.809
Yeah, he's associated with an institution. And the NABC, as
666
00:31:42.309 --> 00:31:45.289
a nice little museum that we have there, it's not
667
00:31:45.309 --> 00:31:48.430
the same as a university. The university can do all
668
00:31:48.490 --> 00:31:51.849
sorts of things that private little institutions like the NABC cannot, simply.
669
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.099
You ain't taking it out of the country. There's no
670
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:55.420
way they're going to let you take it out of
671
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.329
the country. It's going to stay in Canada if they
672
00:31:58.349 --> 00:31:59.619
find out about it, for sure.
673
00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:02.470
I would imagine so. Yeah, their universities would want to
674
00:32:02.509 --> 00:32:05.609
take control of it. And why wouldn't they, right? Of
675
00:32:05.650 --> 00:32:07.849
course that's what would happen. Of course that would happen.
676
00:32:08.269 --> 00:32:10.349
But I think that you would try to get it to,
677
00:32:10.789 --> 00:32:13.269
you would at least try to consult Darby to see
678
00:32:13.309 --> 00:32:16.730
what he could do about it, you know? And I'm sure,
679
00:32:17.009 --> 00:32:20.210
you know, the academic world is very small. You know,
680
00:32:20.230 --> 00:32:22.269
there's a lot of academics and PhDs out there, but
681
00:32:22.369 --> 00:32:23.950
they all seem to know each other or go to
682
00:32:23.990 --> 00:32:27.210
conferences together. It's kind of like the Bigfoot community, even
683
00:32:27.250 --> 00:32:29.690
down to, like, the nastiness between individuals as well, I
684
00:32:29.730 --> 00:32:32.809
might add. There's a lot of competition and backstabbing and
685
00:32:32.849 --> 00:32:37.819
stuff in all human communities. And, of course, why? Because humans.
686
00:32:38.259 --> 00:32:39.339
We're just kind of like that, right?
687
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.200
Make a finger, take a toe.
688
00:32:43.059 --> 00:32:47.339
Darby would certainly know somebody internationally, and he could steer
689
00:32:47.380 --> 00:32:50.279
you to the right location, I would imagine. That's what
690
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.140
I would do. Just call him and see what's up.
691
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:55.140
And it's like, hey, this is a situation. But I
692
00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:57.190
don't think you'd try to smuggle the body out. That
693
00:32:57.210 --> 00:33:00.990
would invite all sorts of legal issues upon you, and
694
00:33:01.029 --> 00:33:01.829
nobody wants that.
695
00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:03.049
Yeah.
696
00:33:03.930 --> 00:33:07.230
Well, given the answer Bobo just threw out, that is
697
00:33:07.269 --> 00:33:10.140
a great segue into this next question. So it is
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00:33:10.220 --> 00:33:11.640
up there now for you, Bobes.
699
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.720
Wesley O'Quinn. If time was very crucial and you only
700
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.319
had time to take one, what would be more scientifically
701
00:33:18.380 --> 00:33:21.200
beneficial if you came across a dead Bigfoot in the woods?
702
00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:25.279
Its head, hand, or foot? I think its head, yeah.
703
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.210
Yeah, the head for sure. Well, you learn a lot
704
00:33:28.250 --> 00:33:31.029
about it in the sort of way that paleoanthropologists study
705
00:33:31.109 --> 00:33:36.470
other extinct or possibly extinct hominins. So many of the
706
00:33:36.509 --> 00:33:40.500
hominins are identified basically by their dentition that you would
707
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.309
want to have their teeth, essentially. And if we had
708
00:33:44.329 --> 00:33:47.150
the jaws and teeth, that would tell us immediately if
709
00:33:47.230 --> 00:33:51.650
it's gigantopithecine or if it's pranthropine or australopithecine or what.
710
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:56.799
You know, it would solve a lot of questions right away, basically. Yeah,
711
00:33:56.819 --> 00:33:58.920
so the head, but of course the head, out of
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00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.039
all three of those body parts, head, hand, or feet,
713
00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:03.259
the head would be by far the hardest thing to
714
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:05.849
get out, I think. I could be wrong about that. Maybe,
715
00:34:05.869 --> 00:34:07.990
you know, with a good bone saw or whatever, like
716
00:34:08.070 --> 00:34:12.369
any three, any one of those three would be equally easy-hard.
717
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.230
But the head would be the most informative, I think,
718
00:34:16.369 --> 00:34:17.949
by far. Oh, yeah.
719
00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:20.570
If you had eyes and, you know, the brain, I mean,
720
00:34:20.750 --> 00:34:22.389
if you had all of that, you'd be able to
721
00:34:22.429 --> 00:34:25.030
learn a whole lot about these things just from that
722
00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:28.119
one bit. You know, you wouldn't learn nearly as much
723
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.079
from a hand or a foot in terms of just
724
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.679
an overall knowledge base that you could build about like
725
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.440
certain organs and their functions and what they might be
726
00:34:36.579 --> 00:34:40.289
morphologically similar to or functionally similar to, etc. So, but yeah,
727
00:34:40.309 --> 00:34:41.489
you better have a big backpack.
728
00:34:42.349 --> 00:34:44.289
Yeah, it'd be huge. It'd be really, really big, man.
729
00:34:44.309 --> 00:34:46.210
It'd be like the size of a, at least the
730
00:34:46.269 --> 00:34:48.309
size of a sizable desk printer.
731
00:34:49.090 --> 00:34:49.389
Oh yeah.
732
00:34:49.469 --> 00:34:51.239
Like you hear a lot of people say it was
733
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.760
the size of a five gallon bucket. I've heard that
734
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:57.179
comparison several times. So I think that's a good starting point.
735
00:34:57.460 --> 00:35:02.469
So imagine a five gallon bucket filled with like heavy goo.
736
00:35:03.389 --> 00:35:05.590
You know, it'd be heavier than water, I'm sure. But
737
00:35:05.869 --> 00:35:08.849
it'd probably be like a five gallon bucket filled with Jell-O.
738
00:35:09.389 --> 00:35:10.329
And can you imagine the mess?
739
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:14.719
Yeah, that'd be pretty gnarly, but small price to pay.
740
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:16.590
Still wouldn't want to do it.
741
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.960
No, but just make sure you got a great big
742
00:35:20.019 --> 00:35:22.480
backpack or some way to carry it. And I think
743
00:35:22.539 --> 00:35:26.300
we would learn so much from the head about what
744
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:30.179
are the capabilities of their vision in daytime, in nighttime.
745
00:35:31.030 --> 00:35:33.349
From the dentition, like you said, you would learn so much,
746
00:35:33.429 --> 00:35:37.110
not just from like stable isotope analysis of teeth and bones,
747
00:35:37.150 --> 00:35:40.079
but like their enamel thickness and then microwear on the teeth,
748
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.699
you'd learn a lot about like what they're eating, what
749
00:35:42.739 --> 00:35:44.719
that individual has been eating in the last weeks or
750
00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:47.239
months that would have left, you know, scarring or scratching
751
00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:50.739
on the teeth. What like material or matter is still
752
00:35:50.889 --> 00:35:55.510
embedded in or in between teeth. You just learn so, so,
753
00:35:55.610 --> 00:35:57.849
so much. So you got to go for the head.
754
00:35:57.869 --> 00:36:02.190
And so I know you guys love these hypotheticals.
755
00:36:02.210 --> 00:36:03.840
We're full of love.
756
00:36:04.579 --> 00:36:07.000
I know we often get bogged down in the semantics,
757
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:09.199
but I think this one's pretty straightforward. So here's your
758
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:10.550
next written question clip.
759
00:36:11.179 --> 00:36:11.469
Okay.
760
00:36:11.510 --> 00:36:15.630
It's from Alex Waltenboe or Waltenboe. I don't know. Either way, Alex.
761
00:36:16.250 --> 00:36:18.590
Hey guys, if you could go back in time to
762
00:36:18.610 --> 00:36:22.250
the beginning of your careers as researchers, what would you
763
00:36:22.289 --> 00:36:22.909
do differently?
764
00:36:22.929 --> 00:36:25.679
See, I think if I could go back in time,
765
00:36:25.929 --> 00:36:29.500
the question implies that like you go back, you know,
766
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.409
if I knew then what I know now, So if
767
00:36:32.489 --> 00:36:34.210
I went back in time, I would just go to
768
00:36:34.329 --> 00:36:36.989
all the places that I had the highest confidence in
769
00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:39.070
that I've gotten reports from. And I would just try
770
00:36:39.110 --> 00:36:41.590
to be hidden there when the thing happened. So if
771
00:36:41.690 --> 00:36:44.949
I knew, for example, like a half a mile or
772
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:46.599
so from the house I grew up in, and I
773
00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:48.610
was living there at the time because I was 17,
774
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.659
there's this great road crossing sighting that happened on the
775
00:36:51.739 --> 00:36:55.099
evening of Thanksgiving in 1999. I would just go down
776
00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:57.860
and sit on that hillside with a camcorder and just
777
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.619
wait and wait. Every time a car starts to approach,
778
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.960
I hit record until it's the right one. And if
779
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:07.440
that event was true, then I'd have this great footage
780
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.579
of a Sasquatch crossing the road, being bathed in light
781
00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:13.500
from the car headlights and stopping in the standstill when
782
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.380
the car slams on its brakes. And I'd have a
783
00:37:15.409 --> 00:37:19.389
good 30 seconds, a minute, however long of footage. That's
784
00:37:19.429 --> 00:37:20.889
what I would do if I could go back in
785
00:37:20.929 --> 00:37:24.329
time is just try to capture or attempt to capture
786
00:37:24.389 --> 00:37:27.829
moments that I have confidence in that were probably real.
787
00:37:28.579 --> 00:37:30.619
Oh, yeah. We did that lady on Finding Bigfoot.
788
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.440
Absolutely. Yeah, that is like, if I walked out the
789
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:35.840
back door of the house I grew up in, I
790
00:37:35.860 --> 00:37:37.230
could be in that spot in minutes.
791
00:37:37.309 --> 00:37:38.610
I mean, it's very, very close.
792
00:37:38.789 --> 00:37:41.050
And I could just go sit up on the hill
793
00:37:41.170 --> 00:37:43.710
and watch that exact spot and know exactly where it crossed.
794
00:37:44.750 --> 00:37:46.570
So that's what I would do, Alex, if I could
795
00:37:46.610 --> 00:37:47.989
go back in time, is I would just try to,
796
00:37:48.010 --> 00:37:50.860
you know, it'd be like back to the future, going
797
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.039
back in time, knowing winning lottery numbers or betting on,
798
00:37:54.179 --> 00:37:56.840
you know, a some sporting event that you knew what
799
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.219
the outcome was going to be. It's like, well, if
800
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.179
I know that there's a good chance that Sasquatch is
801
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.719
going to be at this place on this day and time,
802
00:38:03.090 --> 00:38:04.429
I'm just going to post up there and try to
803
00:38:04.489 --> 00:38:07.489
capture it. And so if you knew 10 or 12
804
00:38:07.489 --> 00:38:10.190
or 15 of those stories and you could anticipate those,
805
00:38:10.389 --> 00:38:12.489
and even if only one or two are real, you'd
806
00:38:12.510 --> 00:38:15.590
still have more and better Sasquatch footage than anybody else.
807
00:38:15.909 --> 00:38:18.889
So that's what I would do. That's probably not his question.
808
00:38:18.909 --> 00:38:21.590
He probably wants to know like, What mistakes we made
809
00:38:21.690 --> 00:38:25.469
or what things we can do differently. So to answer that, honestly,
810
00:38:25.610 --> 00:38:29.050
I would say the moments when I had activity, I
811
00:38:29.110 --> 00:38:34.159
would probably be throwing everything I possibly had at trying
812
00:38:34.179 --> 00:38:38.000
to document and chase down that activity. Because when you're
813
00:38:38.019 --> 00:38:40.840
young and interesting things happen, you just kind of bask
814
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.840
in the moment. You're a bit shocked or surprised. And
815
00:38:43.900 --> 00:38:47.340
so maybe you're not frozen in place, but you're not
816
00:38:47.389 --> 00:38:51.690
being hyper proactive about trying to document every second of it.
817
00:38:51.699 --> 00:38:53.239
Or if you had a camera, you know, chasing it
818
00:38:53.260 --> 00:38:55.489
through the woods, trying to catch a glimpse. And I
819
00:38:55.530 --> 00:38:58.670
think too, when you get into the subject and you
820
00:38:58.710 --> 00:39:01.789
accept its reality and you start having experiences here and there,
821
00:39:02.110 --> 00:39:04.070
you kind of assume, oh, it's always going to be
822
00:39:04.090 --> 00:39:06.630
like this. I'm going to have activity almost like every
823
00:39:06.710 --> 00:39:09.289
other time or every one out of every three times
824
00:39:09.349 --> 00:39:11.170
I go out and you don't realize like, no, you
825
00:39:11.210 --> 00:39:13.309
just got lucky and it might be five more years
826
00:39:13.369 --> 00:39:15.769
before you get lucky again. So I would have been
827
00:39:16.510 --> 00:39:20.420
in hindsight, a whole lot more proactive about treating every
828
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.150
one of those events like they were so extremely rare
829
00:39:24.190 --> 00:39:27.280
and they might never happen again, rather than saying, oh, well, well,
830
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.280
better luck next time. We'll just come back next week,
831
00:39:29.300 --> 00:39:29.559
you know?
832
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:33.019
Yeah, I think if we're talking about general bifurcations of
833
00:39:33.059 --> 00:39:35.900
the timeline and what I might, how I might approach
834
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.639
my pathway a little bit different. Number one, I would
835
00:39:39.969 --> 00:39:43.949
probably have tried to work with other people that I
836
00:39:44.010 --> 00:39:48.429
respect earlier because I started Bigfooting in about 94 or
837
00:39:48.570 --> 00:39:51.500
something like that. And I didn't really do anything with
838
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:55.519
any other Bigfooters until like 2000 or 2001. I don't
839
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.760
know how I ran across Tom Yamarone and those guys,
840
00:39:58.780 --> 00:40:01.710
but like Tom was really instrumental in getting me involved
841
00:40:01.750 --> 00:40:05.349
with Kathy Strain and Bob Strain and starting meeting other Bigfooters.
842
00:40:05.909 --> 00:40:08.909
So I didn't progress very quickly in my knowledge.
843
00:40:08.929 --> 00:40:09.780
So I met you too.
844
00:40:10.570 --> 00:40:12.530
Yeah. Well, I met you at the BFRO expedition and
845
00:40:12.690 --> 00:40:15.239
on the coast of California up there. Yeah, so I
846
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.219
think I would have probably, because I am an introvert
847
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.300
and I do prefer to be alone and whatnot, but
848
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.400
you just don't move as fast that way. You just
849
00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:27.159
don't learn as much without bouncing ideas and that sort
850
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.000
of stuff off. So I think that I would have
851
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.719
tried to, knowing what I know now, I would have
852
00:40:31.780 --> 00:40:35.719
tried to shake off my introversion and try to reach
853
00:40:35.860 --> 00:40:41.400
out to like-minded individuals perhaps sooner. And along those lines, honestly,
854
00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:44.960
looking back, what I'd really try to do now, If
855
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.079
I was trying to reach out to people, I would
856
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.000
have tried to reach out to Dr. Grover Krantz and
857
00:40:50.059 --> 00:40:52.530
Paul Freeman before they died. And then there's a number
858
00:40:52.550 --> 00:40:54.530
of people who have now passed that I have missed
859
00:40:54.550 --> 00:40:58.170
the opportunity to connect with, unfortunately. So if I had
860
00:40:58.190 --> 00:41:01.250
to do it all over again with the knowledge that I,
861
00:41:01.510 --> 00:41:04.130
or somewhat of the knowledge that I have now, I
862
00:41:04.429 --> 00:41:08.780
would work with other people sooner to try to progress
863
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:12.489
faster sooner. You know, I think that it wasn't a
864
00:41:12.510 --> 00:41:14.579
mistake and I can't regret anything that I've done in
865
00:41:14.619 --> 00:41:17.380
my Bigfoot, you know, journey because of where I am now.
866
00:41:17.539 --> 00:41:21.380
And we are the product of all of our experiences
867
00:41:21.659 --> 00:41:24.179
and the pathway that we've taken to get here right now,
868
00:41:24.460 --> 00:41:27.639
you know, and I can't complain with what's happening. You know,
869
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.469
I love what I'm doing and I love my job
870
00:41:29.510 --> 00:41:31.869
and I'm blessed in so many ways. And Bigfoot has
871
00:41:31.889 --> 00:41:34.250
given me almost everything that's kind of important to me
872
00:41:34.269 --> 00:41:36.210
in my life, you know, or really important to me
873
00:41:36.230 --> 00:41:38.929
in life, I should say. Almost everything. But I would
874
00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:41.610
do it... That's the way I would probably do it
875
00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:47.000
different at this point. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
876
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.760
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after
877
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:50.400
these messages.
878
00:41:57.070 --> 00:42:00.369
I'd say trying to be more organized with my stuff
879
00:42:00.389 --> 00:42:04.730
that I collected probably would be... But I've known that
880
00:42:04.750 --> 00:42:07.210
for a long time and I'm still not that organized, so...
881
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.179
I can't always go back and change it because I
882
00:42:10.179 --> 00:42:12.900
didn't change it now.
883
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.199
That's a really good point. One thing I would do
884
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.079
differently is everything I experienced or every story I heard
885
00:42:19.139 --> 00:42:21.059
from people, I would have written it all down in
886
00:42:21.139 --> 00:42:23.590
as much detail as I could as quickly as I could.
887
00:42:23.889 --> 00:42:25.820
I mean, because you've had so many stories. Imagine if
888
00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:28.989
you had written down all your experiences and stories you've
889
00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:32.570
heard to a T. You'd be sitting on mountains of data.
890
00:42:32.630 --> 00:42:33.309
You know what I mean?
891
00:42:33.630 --> 00:42:36.969
Oh, totally. Then I got kind of discouraged on that one.
892
00:42:37.610 --> 00:42:40.610
He's talking to scientists like, we're not going to use
893
00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:44.519
that data. It's like, it's not, it's all these reports
894
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:48.199
are just, you know, like it's, it's not truly scientific,
895
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.920
you know? So when I started hearing that, I was like, man,
896
00:42:51.460 --> 00:42:53.340
like that's all going to get tossed out. They're going
897
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.760
to go with whatever they, what they observe in the field,
898
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.980
like what they can document and, you know, run like,
899
00:43:00.019 --> 00:43:02.110
you know, like total scientific protocol.
900
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.119
I just mean like for our own personal use, just
901
00:43:05.139 --> 00:43:07.719
to like have all that stuff at hand, because, you know,
902
00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:10.199
I have a pretty good memory, but I can't remember
903
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.579
what I've forgotten, obviously, you know, so there might be
904
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:16.800
stories or like aspects of early encounters or experiences that
905
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:18.699
I just don't remember. And if I had written all
906
00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:20.719
that down, like I would love to have that stuff.
907
00:43:20.739 --> 00:43:23.199
And like, there's so many stories in my mind that
908
00:43:23.860 --> 00:43:26.780
from people I met in happenstance who told me their story,
909
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.510
and then I try to like repeat it in some way.
910
00:43:28.550 --> 00:43:30.210
So I remember it, but at the same time, like,
911
00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:31.849
I just wish I had all that information.
912
00:43:32.619 --> 00:43:36.570
I used to literally have like probably eight or 9,000
913
00:43:36.570 --> 00:43:40.449
stories memorized in my head. Like, like seriously, like I
914
00:43:40.489 --> 00:43:43.449
just remembered all of them for so long. And now like, no,
915
00:43:43.610 --> 00:43:45.679
like there are a lot of them jumbled up. I
916
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.059
just forget like so much of the details.
917
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.420
And I would encourage people and you too, Bobo to
918
00:43:51.460 --> 00:43:54.780
not be hung up on science, like proper scientific documentation,
919
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:59.750
because one of the most useful pieces of documentation in
920
00:43:59.809 --> 00:44:04.400
my current work is, is Vance Orchard's books. Our Vance
921
00:44:04.420 --> 00:44:07.760
Orchard's books, I should say. Got to make that subject-verb
922
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:11.440
agreement there. But those two books have really helped me
923
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.300
a lot, and there's not a whole lot of science
924
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.610
in either one of those, because Vance Orchard was just
925
00:44:15.630 --> 00:44:18.789
a newspaper writer, and he had a very folksy sort
926
00:44:19.010 --> 00:44:22.750
of writing style. And there's not a whole lot of
927
00:44:23.230 --> 00:44:25.530
numbers and all that kind of stuff in there. He
928
00:44:25.570 --> 00:44:29.969
just told it what was happening, More or less as
929
00:44:30.010 --> 00:44:31.829
it was happening, you were a day or two later
930
00:44:31.849 --> 00:44:34.309
or something and threw in like, oh, these are 16-inch
931
00:44:34.349 --> 00:44:37.150
prints or 15, which are, you know, vague at best
932
00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:39.300
really because I'm very familiar with the Freeman evidence and
933
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.519
the Blue Mountain evidence, I should say, wasn't all Freeman.
934
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:47.380
And that stuff is extraordinarily useful to me for my
935
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.960
current projects of writing that book about the Blue Mountain evidence.
936
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:53.099
So it doesn't have to be scientific to be useful.
937
00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:55.349
As long as you're writing it down, it's way better
938
00:44:55.369 --> 00:44:57.349
than not writing it down in any sort of form, so.
939
00:44:58.530 --> 00:45:00.929
But hopefully that helps, Alex. I think those are all
940
00:45:01.329 --> 00:45:04.250
quite good things there to contemplate for the new or
941
00:45:04.349 --> 00:45:08.269
early researcher or even for the veteran squatcher. So in
942
00:45:08.329 --> 00:45:11.820
keeping with another Bobo-centric question, here's the next one for you.
943
00:45:11.739 --> 00:45:17.619
There, Bobo. All right. Isaiah McGahee, I hope you're having
944
00:45:17.659 --> 00:45:20.360
a great day. I was watching a rerun of Finding
945
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.760
Bigfoot today and wanted to know if Bobo's Respect the
946
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.210
Squatch hat will ever be made available or if you
947
00:45:25.250 --> 00:45:27.610
may be able to point me in the right direction.
948
00:45:28.610 --> 00:45:31.360
finding one. If not, you should possibly look at stocking
949
00:45:31.539 --> 00:45:35.559
one on the site. I'd be the first to get one.
950
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:37.039
Oh yeah, we have that new, we got the new
951
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:38.679
merch story. Hell yeah, we're going to put it up there.
952
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:42.489
Yeah, we could definitely do, bring back your Respect the
953
00:45:42.530 --> 00:45:43.590
Squatch hats for sure.
954
00:45:44.269 --> 00:45:47.570
Yeah, good idea. Yeah, we're gonna, it's a done deal.
955
00:45:48.230 --> 00:45:51.630
And we'll give Isaiah mad props for bringing that to
956
00:45:51.650 --> 00:45:53.590
the fore. I've been on the road and traveling so much,
957
00:45:53.630 --> 00:45:56.300
so But I'll be settled for the next week, so
958
00:45:56.340 --> 00:45:58.159
I can definitely reach out to our folks and just
959
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.380
send them a picture of Bobo from the show and say, hey,
960
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.980
can you guys recreate this? And I guarantee you they'll
961
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:04.739
be able to do it. So I will get on it.
962
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:05.980
We can probably do a better one. Those ones are
963
00:46:06.019 --> 00:46:08.440
so cheesy. I just made those at my buddy's shop,
964
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.059
like cutting out like iron-on things and stuff. It was
965
00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:13.239
like pretty cheesy.
966
00:46:14.210 --> 00:46:15.809
Yeah, but at least even if we had like a
967
00:46:15.849 --> 00:46:17.949
higher quality product or something, at least we keep like
968
00:46:17.989 --> 00:46:20.340
the logo and stuff intact, you know, and then that
969
00:46:20.380 --> 00:46:23.300
way it's show accurate. That way it's like, this is
970
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.599
the same design that the Bobes wore. Because that's what
971
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:27.320
the people want.
972
00:46:27.980 --> 00:46:28.380
Right.
973
00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:31.880
Mad props to Isaiah. In fact, you know what? Angry
974
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:33.199
props to Isaiah.
975
00:46:33.969 --> 00:46:43.329
Yeah. Step up for mad. Isaiah. Furious props to Isaiah. Furious.
976
00:46:44.849 --> 00:46:47.630
Enraged props to Isaiah. Oh, Dr.
977
00:46:47.690 --> 00:46:48.889
Thesaurus is in the house.
978
00:46:49.590 --> 00:46:51.670
Wrathful. Oh, man.
979
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.469
Is wrathful a word or is it like wrathsome?
980
00:46:54.699 --> 00:46:55.119
I don't know.
981
00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:56.219
I think it's wrathful.
982
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:57.980
Wrathful vengeance.
983
00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:02.320
Yeah, full is more than some. I would go with
984
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:03.500
the most extreme you can.
985
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.320
This is the next written question for you, Cliff, and
986
00:47:07.340 --> 00:47:09.380
I think you'd probably have some good insights on this.
987
00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:14.019
Joseph Y., or it could be Joseph Y., Do you
988
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.920
know if there was ever a study done to identify
989
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.920
an individual Sasquatch and see how long they are in
990
00:47:20.059 --> 00:47:23.400
any particular area, or at least determine a minimum for
991
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.860
age of the individual? No. I mean, I think there's
992
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:28.989
been some speculation and whatnot, but I don't know what
993
00:47:29.030 --> 00:47:31.710
a study like that would actually look like. I have
994
00:47:31.909 --> 00:47:34.130
a few data points of interest that I think.
995
00:47:34.769 --> 00:47:35.750
Laurie Jo Hamilton.
996
00:47:36.090 --> 00:47:38.469
Yeah, Laurie Jo Hamilton is probably the best one that
997
00:47:38.550 --> 00:47:42.250
I know of. She's a very good friend of mine.
998
00:47:42.849 --> 00:47:46.119
longtime researcher, and she has told me that she basically
999
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.619
grew up around a particular Sasquatch, or a couple of
1000
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.260
them at least. We should get maybe Lori on the
1001
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.420
podcast sometime, because I'd like to get her story straight.
1002
00:47:54.460 --> 00:47:57.820
I need to sit her down anyway. But she told
1003
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.320
me that the first time she ran into the Sasquatch
1004
00:48:00.340 --> 00:48:02.880
that lived behind her house, and she had a big
1005
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:04.969
watershed that was off limits, kind of like the bull
1006
00:48:05.010 --> 00:48:07.030
run thing that I'm always talking about, behind her house
1007
00:48:07.690 --> 00:48:09.800
up on the Olympic Peninsula there. and by the way,
1008
00:48:09.820 --> 00:48:13.639
the Sasquatch that, that she would encounter repeatedly over the
1009
00:48:13.659 --> 00:48:18.880
years was named Bobo. Oddly enough, coincidentally enough, there was a.
1010
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.380
Gorilla in the zoo up in Seattle named Bobo. So she,
1011
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.639
that's what she saw when she was like in kindergarten.
1012
00:48:23.659 --> 00:48:25.369
So then, When she saw the Bigfoot, the only thing
1013
00:48:25.389 --> 00:48:27.679
she could compare it to was the Bobo at the zoo,
1014
00:48:27.739 --> 00:48:28.860
so she called it Bobo.
1015
00:48:29.260 --> 00:48:31.179
Oh, yeah, but to be specific about it, it wasn't
1016
00:48:31.219 --> 00:48:33.000
the zoo. It was like the mall or something like that.
1017
00:48:33.019 --> 00:48:35.340
Oh, that's right. Yeah, you're right. It was in the cement.
1018
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.900
Forget about cement. There's nothing in it for it. It
1019
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:40.500
was just an empty cement cage.
1020
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.329
Yeah, people our age and older up in the Washington area,
1021
00:48:43.369 --> 00:48:46.050
like Olympia area, will probably remember this, and I'm sure
1022
00:48:46.090 --> 00:48:48.869
that we'll even get some emails, maybe some photographs of Bobo,
1023
00:48:48.989 --> 00:48:51.449
et cetera. But she was young enough at the time,
1024
00:48:51.510 --> 00:48:53.550
if I remember correctly— She was young enough at the
1025
00:48:53.590 --> 00:48:55.849
time that when she saw the Sasquatch, she just thought
1026
00:48:55.869 --> 00:48:58.269
it was the gorilla Bobo that she had seen at
1027
00:48:58.309 --> 00:49:00.909
the mall or wherever it was. And so that's what
1028
00:49:00.949 --> 00:49:03.889
she named it. And I think she was like seven
1029
00:49:03.969 --> 00:49:08.230
or something, somewhere in there, like very young. And she
1030
00:49:08.289 --> 00:49:10.969
saw this thing over the, and she told me not
1031
00:49:11.050 --> 00:49:13.010
a few years ago that she doesn't think that it
1032
00:49:13.050 --> 00:49:15.880
was full grown when she first saw it. It was
1033
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:19.139
like six feet. Although that was such an early age
1034
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.920
for her. The memories are fuzzy and can't be really
1035
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.420
counted on or anything like that anyway. You know what
1036
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.800
I mean? But nonetheless, she had the feeling that it
1037
00:49:27.860 --> 00:49:33.210
was still juvenile. But she told me about a decade
1038
00:49:33.250 --> 00:49:35.929
ago that the last time she had seen what she
1039
00:49:36.010 --> 00:49:40.409
considers to be that same Sasquatch was a few years before.
1040
00:49:40.889 --> 00:49:45.079
So that means that she had been seeing that particular Sasquatch,
1041
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.280
if she's correct, and we don't know that, for about
1042
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.539
50 years or so. Like, little less, little more, somewhere
1043
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.320
in there, 40, 50 years or so. And she might
1044
00:49:54.340 --> 00:49:57.050
be right. I don't know. I don't know. I know
1045
00:49:57.110 --> 00:49:59.610
in the footprint cast evidence, nothing.
1046
00:49:59.690 --> 00:50:02.110
One of the last times she saw it, like, well,
1047
00:50:02.230 --> 00:50:06.409
it had an infected tooth and its mouth was all swollen.
1048
00:50:07.070 --> 00:50:09.519
It was in pain and All that.
1049
00:50:09.780 --> 00:50:12.099
Yeah, I need to go up and probably sit her
1050
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.210
down for a good long interview and get it from
1051
00:50:15.269 --> 00:50:19.750
her mouth, like what she remembers and her experience of
1052
00:50:19.809 --> 00:50:23.090
it for no other reason than historical reasons, really. And
1053
00:50:23.289 --> 00:50:25.110
she might be right, and that's probably the best data
1054
00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:31.920
point for an extended long-term on-and-off sort of encounter observation
1055
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:35.409
series with a Sasquatch that I'm aware of. because I
1056
00:50:35.429 --> 00:50:37.679
don't think, you know, Lori's a liar. I trust what
1057
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.360
she's saying. You know, I mean, I don't know.
1058
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.780
And the interesting thing going along with Sasquatch and children
1059
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:47.219
was that there was a black bear there and the
1060
00:50:47.260 --> 00:50:49.159
Bobo Bigfoot chased it off.
1061
00:50:49.949 --> 00:50:51.969
Yeah, which is very interesting. Yeah, so she has a
1062
00:50:52.010 --> 00:50:54.010
lot of stories, a lot of stories, and I'd like
1063
00:50:54.030 --> 00:50:56.329
to get them documented at least. So maybe I should
1064
00:50:56.349 --> 00:50:58.989
make that a priority this wintertime. But as far as
1065
00:50:59.010 --> 00:51:02.320
the footprint cast evidence, the Blue Mountain stuff is interesting,
1066
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:05.639
but they weren't around for that long. let's see from
1067
00:51:05.659 --> 00:51:08.079
the early, like say for example, the wrinkle foot animal
1068
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.860
in the blue mountains, the first recorded occurrence of wrinkle
1069
00:51:11.900 --> 00:51:14.559
foot to my knowledge that that has been verified by
1070
00:51:14.579 --> 00:51:19.090
the footprint cast was in 1984. And that animal disappeared
1071
00:51:19.150 --> 00:51:21.670
more or less in about 1990 and was replaced by
1072
00:51:21.730 --> 00:51:24.750
another one. And that, that second one was around from
1073
00:51:24.769 --> 00:51:25.329
about 1990 or 91 until about 2005.
1074
00:51:25.309 --> 00:51:25.429
Yeah.
1075
00:51:31.110 --> 00:51:32.980
And then after that, honestly, we don't know if it
1076
00:51:33.019 --> 00:51:36.079
went away or if just people stopped researching because there's
1077
00:51:36.139 --> 00:51:37.780
not a whole lot of casts at all from after that.
1078
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.039
There's a few, and I'm still trying to track down
1079
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.179
as many as I can. And I do get emails
1080
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:44.920
from people who have listened to the podcast or dropped
1081
00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:46.960
by the museum and seen the Blue Mountain evidence there
1082
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:50.420
that's like, oh, I ran into a cast in 2010
1083
00:51:50.420 --> 00:51:53.139
and that sort of stuff. And of course, I also
1084
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.480
have footprint casts that I have personally cast in the
1085
00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:58.260
Blue Mountains, but they seem to represent different individuals than
1086
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:05.739
the historical record does. So the cast evidence isn't lengthy
1087
00:52:05.780 --> 00:52:08.800
enough to really record how long an individual is in
1088
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:11.559
an area or at least is living, I should say.
1089
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:14.489
We just don't have good information like that. And if
1090
00:52:14.630 --> 00:52:17.530
any of, you know, people talk about habituations and these
1091
00:52:17.590 --> 00:52:20.070
long-term witnesses and all that sort of stuff. But the
1092
00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:22.630
thing about those folks is that, number one, I think
1093
00:52:22.670 --> 00:52:24.889
a lot of them might be misinterpreting things around their house.
1094
00:52:24.929 --> 00:52:27.940
But number two, the ones that are actually happening, and
1095
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.800
I'm sure that we have some people that have Bigfoots
1096
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.679
around their house and have had them around their house
1097
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.659
for decades. Those people are not the types of people
1098
00:52:36.739 --> 00:52:40.269
to really, in my experience, at least, and if I'm wrong,
1099
00:52:40.469 --> 00:52:42.769
my God, let me know. I would love to be
1100
00:52:42.829 --> 00:52:45.329
wrong about this, but it's been my observation that those
1101
00:52:45.369 --> 00:52:48.550
are not the types of people to be prolific collectors
1102
00:52:48.610 --> 00:52:51.489
of evidence because they know what's around their house or
1103
00:52:51.510 --> 00:52:54.090
they feel they know what's around their house, and why bother?
1104
00:52:54.619 --> 00:52:57.360
And this is exactly why one should bother. If you
1105
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.420
have a Sasquatch living in the neighborhood and you're living
1106
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.900
there for 20, 30 years, how much information can we
1107
00:53:02.940 --> 00:53:06.119
learn by casting a footprint once a year? Kind of
1108
00:53:06.139 --> 00:53:09.380
a lot. We can learn a lot about the species
1109
00:53:09.820 --> 00:53:12.769
by casting a footprint once a year if it's the
1110
00:53:12.789 --> 00:53:16.489
same individual animal. But again, the long-term witnesses, the one
1111
00:53:16.650 --> 00:53:18.570
that I think are legit, and there are certainly a
1112
00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:21.699
lot of them, are not the kinds of people to
1113
00:53:21.739 --> 00:53:23.659
really do that sort of thing because they don't want,
1114
00:53:23.980 --> 00:53:26.440
you know, Bigfoot weirdos crawling around their house and stuff.
1115
00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:28.260
And I don't blame them. I don't want Bigfoot weirdos
1116
00:53:28.300 --> 00:53:31.320
around my house either. One is enough. Except for my
1117
00:53:31.340 --> 00:53:32.599
close friends, Matt and Bobo, of course.
1118
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:34.420
Yeah.
1119
00:53:35.659 --> 00:53:39.039
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
1120
00:53:39.219 --> 00:53:40.900
We'll be right back after these messages.
1121
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:48.719
Well, there is one more question.
1122
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.760
Let's see, it's James Jackson. Longtime listener here with a
1123
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.440
question that pushes it when it comes to the beyond
1124
00:53:56.500 --> 00:53:59.679
part of your Bigfoot, but could help me in a
1125
00:53:59.739 --> 00:54:03.760
time of confusion. My longtime girlfriend and I have hit crossroads.
1126
00:54:04.590 --> 00:54:08.210
I've been on the fence about kids leaning slightly toward no,
1127
00:54:08.670 --> 00:54:10.750
but she's now set on having a baby. We both
1128
00:54:10.829 --> 00:54:14.250
know this isn't something we can compromise on, but I'm
1129
00:54:14.369 --> 00:54:17.969
stuck in deep rumination and I'm going round in circles
1130
00:54:18.070 --> 00:54:21.039
over it. As far as I'm aware, all three of
1131
00:54:21.099 --> 00:54:24.559
you are child-free. What led to that decision? Are you
1132
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.530
happy with the cut outcome? I do appreciate that this
1133
00:54:27.590 --> 00:54:31.070
will probably never make the cut, but I thought I'd
1134
00:54:31.190 --> 00:54:34.730
throw it out there as you guys and your show
1135
00:54:34.769 --> 00:54:38.190
have become a regular and calming end to my week,
1136
00:54:38.570 --> 00:54:43.250
and I'd be interested to hear your perspectives. Yeah, I mean,
1137
00:54:43.289 --> 00:54:47.769
I was pretty shocked when I did that 23andMe interview ancestry.com
1138
00:54:48.030 --> 00:54:49.570
DNA test a couple of years ago. I thought for
1139
00:54:49.650 --> 00:54:51.170
sure I was going to have some running around out
1140
00:54:51.190 --> 00:54:56.139
there and then nothing popped up. So I was pretty,
1141
00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:59.260
so it's just gotta, it just kind of hit me recently. Like, man,
1142
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:00.480
I really don't have any kids.
1143
00:55:00.820 --> 00:55:02.480
So it wasn't for lack of trying.
1144
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:03.500
Yeah.
1145
00:55:04.139 --> 00:55:04.260
Yeah.
1146
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:05.989
I mean, it would have been, it probably would have
1147
00:55:06.010 --> 00:55:09.909
been pretty cool. I mean, it would have, it's always like, yeah,
1148
00:55:09.929 --> 00:55:12.510
it's going to, it's going to impact your life pretty heavily.
1149
00:55:12.530 --> 00:55:12.610
Yeah.
1150
00:55:13.469 --> 00:55:16.050
You know, especially if you're doing stuff like squatching and,
1151
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:19.000
and back then I was surfing more than I was squatching, like,
1152
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.780
you know, like in my twenties. So it was always like,
1153
00:55:24.019 --> 00:55:25.659
it was something like pushed down the line, like, Oh,
1154
00:55:25.699 --> 00:55:27.800
it'll happen later. It'll happen later. It'll happen later. But
1155
00:55:28.420 --> 00:55:30.530
I say, go for it. Bang a couple out.
1156
00:55:31.329 --> 00:55:34.230
James, I've never had the desire. Like it's never occurred
1157
00:55:34.269 --> 00:55:38.110
to me. I've never been reflective and thought to myself like, Oh,
1158
00:55:38.170 --> 00:55:40.090
I would like that to happen one day, or I
1159
00:55:40.130 --> 00:55:42.280
can see myself in that role. It's just, that's just
1160
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.880
never been, me you know I know it is for
1161
00:55:44.900 --> 00:55:46.619
a lot of people from the time they're young they
1162
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.199
can just envision themselves as parents and they're looking forward
1163
00:55:49.219 --> 00:55:51.539
to the day and they want to see themselves as
1164
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.079
you know mothers or fathers it's just never happened for
1165
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.440
me so I never really pursued it like I just
1166
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.239
always kind of knew that that just wasn't in the
1167
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.489
cards for me just because it it wasn't something that
1168
00:56:03.050 --> 00:56:06.369
was ever a desire and so for me personally like
1169
00:56:06.510 --> 00:56:09.360
I'm I'm happy with that outcome you know, and I
1170
00:56:09.550 --> 00:56:11.429
met someone who wanted the same thing out of life
1171
00:56:11.610 --> 00:56:13.510
in Emily. And so we just always knew like that
1172
00:56:13.550 --> 00:56:16.690
just wasn't in our future as we saw it. And
1173
00:56:16.730 --> 00:56:19.369
so we're very happy, but you know, everyone is different,
1174
00:56:19.829 --> 00:56:21.829
what they want out of life, what they see in
1175
00:56:21.869 --> 00:56:25.389
their futures. And so I would say, while I appreciate
1176
00:56:26.070 --> 00:56:30.300
you asking us our experiences as people without kids, it
1177
00:56:30.380 --> 00:56:33.739
is going to ultimately be up to you and, I
1178
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.090
think we would be well outnumbered by the people with
1179
00:56:36.139 --> 00:56:38.570
kids who, you know, everyone I know who has kids
1180
00:56:38.590 --> 00:56:44.329
say it's the most transformative and powerful experience and ongoing experience.
1181
00:56:44.369 --> 00:56:47.190
And the relationship you have with your kids is unbelievable.
1182
00:56:47.210 --> 00:56:49.730
You know, I have an amazing relationship with my parents.
1183
00:56:50.349 --> 00:56:55.590
So as a 44-year-old kid, you know, I love my parents.
1184
00:56:55.650 --> 00:56:58.590
But for me personally, no, it was never something.
1185
00:56:58.630 --> 00:57:00.190
You guys have been the best parents.
1186
00:57:01.090 --> 00:57:01.969
I don't know.
1187
00:57:03.110 --> 00:57:04.809
I would have been like, come on kid, let's go squatching.
1188
00:57:05.650 --> 00:57:07.289
Yeah. I got caught up in that whole thing about
1189
00:57:07.329 --> 00:57:09.590
like the world's like going downhill so fast. It's going
1190
00:57:09.610 --> 00:57:11.949
to be like, you know, like the environment's going to
1191
00:57:11.969 --> 00:57:14.349
be unlivable. You're like, I was, I was, you know,
1192
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drill that, like that was that whole thing out here,
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you know, especially like in California was like, why have kids?
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You're just going to raise them up in this hell hole.
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You know, it's like the, the world's coming to an
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end and you know, there's going to be 200 degrees
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temperature and all the, you know, glaciers melted and ice,
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like the, the poles will be ice free and it's
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going to be the whole coast is going to be
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underwater and there's going to be fires everywhere and famine. And,
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you know, and I was just like, God, who wants
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to bring a kid up in that? And then like
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looking back, I was like, oh man, I shouldn't have
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listened to that stuff.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I didn't even factor those things in, although
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I've heard people talk about that for me, I just
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never wanted it. So it's not like I'm against it.
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I was never like, oh my God, I'll never have kids. Never.
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It was just, I never wanted that. And so it was,
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it was just never something that was, in my vision
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of myself for the future was never something that I
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contemplated like, Oh, someday I can't wait for the day.
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Just totally, totally devoid of that. So again, not against
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it as much as just without that.
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You know what I mean?
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Oh, so what's up with you? You flip, what's your take?
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Well, I think I would have enjoyed having children for
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the most part, but I mean, you see how I
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am with this, this horrible cat, right? And, and children
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are way louder than that cat is in the middle
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of the night. But actually, all joking aside, really, I
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think I would have been a great dad. I think
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Melissa would be an amazing mother, just with so much
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love to give and everything. She's so kind and sweet
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and perfect in every single way. I think it would
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have been great, but just wasn't in the cards. And honestly,
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I'm probably a bit better off for it, I think,
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because my schedule to being gone all the time and
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on the road and between the TV show and these
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away gigs that I do. And then like, somebody calls
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me now, like, like on the podcast at this very moment,
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00:58:56.380 --> 00:58:58.619
if someone called me and said, someone saw Bigfoot two,
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00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.519
two hours ago, I would drop this and go. And children,
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00:59:02.579 --> 00:59:05.210
you just, you just can't drop children. You know, it
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hurts them. So I think it's probably better.
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00:59:07.889 --> 00:59:09.090
I got dropped a lot as a child. I mean,
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any favors.
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You can tell. No, but in all seriousness, it just
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didn't happen. And you know what? I'm not one of
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00:59:18.650 --> 00:59:22.130
those people that wishes things would have been different or
1242
00:59:22.210 --> 00:59:24.230
something like that. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
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00:59:24.250 --> 00:59:27.550
Because people, I don't even make wishes. you know, like
1244
00:59:27.590 --> 00:59:29.630
wishbones and, oh, there's a shooting star, make a wish
1245
00:59:29.690 --> 00:59:32.730
or blow out your birthday candles, make a wish. I
1246
00:59:32.769 --> 00:59:35.570
don't even do that because one of the things I've
1247
00:59:35.610 --> 00:59:38.489
learned in my life is that I am not wise
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00:59:38.550 --> 00:59:41.320
enough to know what's good for me, but I am
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00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:44.079
wise enough to accept the path that I am given.
1250
00:59:44.500 --> 00:59:45.900
And this is the path I'm on and I don't
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00:59:45.940 --> 00:59:49.119
have any kids. So there you go. I'm perfectly happy
1252
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:50.480
with that. I think I would have been a great
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00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:51.920
dad and I think Melissa would have been a great
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mom and whatever else, but we did meet pretty late
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00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:56.800
in life and that's just the way it is, man.
1256
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:59.119
Because I'm 55 years old, man. If I had a
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00:59:59.139 --> 01:00:01.440
kid today, God, can you imagine having a high school
1258
01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:03.920
kid when you're like 70 or 72? That'd be really
1259
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.590
hard on me. So anyway, that's kind of where I'm at.
1260
01:00:07.949 --> 01:00:12.730
It didn't happen. I'm okay with it. I'm perfectly fine.
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01:00:13.349 --> 01:00:14.809
So I hope that helps, James.
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01:00:16.250 --> 01:00:16.710
Sorry, Jay.
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01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:19.000
If you hear us laughing hard, it's because Bobo made
1264
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.380
a joke that I probably had to cut out. So
1265
01:00:21.699 --> 01:00:24.639
you're not hearing what we're laughing about. But just rest
1266
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.300
assured it was A, not at your expense, and B,
1267
01:00:27.539 --> 01:00:31.539
very funny. But hopefully that's helpful, James. And that was
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01:00:31.579 --> 01:00:34.449
the last question for this October 2026 Q & A.
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01:00:34.489 --> 01:00:36.550
But we do have a lot of questions from the Pigeonry.
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01:00:37.110 --> 01:00:38.789
Well, we better head to the coop and see what's up.
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01:00:39.449 --> 01:00:43.889
Yeah, to the coop. All right, folks. Well, we're going
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to go over to our Patreon section now for the members.
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01:00:47.010 --> 01:00:49.050
So thanks so much for joining us. Keep those questions
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01:00:49.110 --> 01:00:52.449
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01:01:04.670 --> 01:01:06.929
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01:01:19.650 --> 01:01:22.250
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