Beyond Mindset Limits - Tisha Marie Cain JD, CHt September 23, 2026 Cain Arcane a Paranormal Intelligence Agency

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Welcome to Beyond Mindset Limits with Tisha Marie Cain. Here,
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we explore how unlocking your mindset can pave the way
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for unlimited success. Discover how to create opportunities through legal
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challenges and transform your business and life with effective public
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relations strategies. Get ready to elevate your journey and maximize
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your potential. Now, let's welcome your host, Tisha Marie Cain.
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Hello, you guys. We are back for another week of
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Beyond Mindset Limits, and I am excited to be here today.
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I am your host, Tisha Marie Kane. I'm an executive counsel,
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expert mediator, and communicator. I'm a breakthrough mindset coach, a
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clinical hypnotherapist, and as of today, I am a eight
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times best-selling multiple author and artist. And I help Fortune
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500 executives and visionary leaders, guiding them to unlock their influence,
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align with purpose, and create lasting impact. I have a
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unique blend of legal expertise, leadership strategy, transformational coaching, and
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I help individuals and organizations rewire the subconscious, release emotional weight,
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and elevate their relationship with money, power, and self-worth. And
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guess what? Tonight, you guys, we're adding on to that list.
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And I'm so excited because there's a few wins I
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have to celebrate with you tonight. And I know I've
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talked about this before, and if anybody has followed me
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for quite some time, I have a list. I have a,
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in my iPhone, I have a note, 2026, and then
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I name it for the year. And this year is...
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new heights, new sights. So at the end of the year,
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my family and I, we get together and we set
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our intentions for the year, name the year, and then
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we're just constantly on the lookout for evidence on how
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our year is going to be built. And we came
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into 2026, the year of the fire horse, and boy,
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it has certainly been a fire horse year. And we
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are in September and we are not slowing down. We
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celebrate every wins and in this notebook in our phone,
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we put all the little things, no matter how cheesy
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or goofy it is, we put it in there. So
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I want to celebrate with you tonight.
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So I.
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Yesterday, I hit 111 followers on my YouTube channel. And
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you know what? You guys might say that that sounds
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kind of cheesy, but you know what? We all got
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to start somewhere. And I know I'm on all platforms,
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but YouTube, I just recently started growing just this year
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and to have 111 followers... I'm celebrating myself so big.
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My family even took me out for milkshakes and we
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got to celebrate and put 111 candles on the little
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milkshake and just really celebrate that we get to impact
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other people's lives. So that's one of the wins that
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just happened just the other day. Another win, and this
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is what we're going to talk most about tonight, is
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I just launched my eighth book and it is called
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Cane Arcane. And we'll dive into that. And just heard
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word on Amazon, we became bestsellers in three categories. And
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I'm like celebrating. I am like in so much joy
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right now because I didn't even believe that the book
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was going to climb the charts as it did. And
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so we're here. It's Cane Arcane. It's a paranormal book.
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Intelligent Agency. There's more to reality we investigate. It's a
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co-authored book between me and my husband. We spent equal
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amounts of time writing this book, bringing this book to
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our community here in Las Vegas. And today we took
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number 23 in Ghosts and Hauntings, number 45 in UFO Books,
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and number 13 in Psychic Phenomenon. So we're Amazon bestsellers
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for our book, Cane Arcane, and that's what I want
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to talk about tonight. So we're writing that on our
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little notebook in our phones and celebrating this win. One,
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we're celebrating the win of a new book being launched,
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Cane Arcane, and celebrating a win of taking bestseller in
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three categories and And we're celebrating the launch of a
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new business. I do it all. As I introduced myself,
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there isn't anything I don't do well. I think, you know,
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sometimes I bag on myself because I, you know, I'm
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a master of none. And, you know, I just know
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it all, right? That's why when I went to college,
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when I was 18 years old, and I signed up
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in California to become a teacher, I knew... I couldn't
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just be a science teacher or a math teacher. I
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was on track for my multiple subject credential. I went
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and took the CBEST, the California Basic Education Test, because
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I needed to learn and know it all. And I'm
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here for Planet Life School to be able to learn
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all the things and do all the things well. And
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so that brings me to the need in our community,
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what we saw, and what Greg and I, my husband,
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decided that we were going to do. So let's dive in, right?
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So we are going somewhere we have never gone before,
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and we're going into the unexplained. And this show isn't
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going to be really about ghosts tonight, but It's going
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to be what happens when curiosity becomes an idea, and
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an idea becomes a vision, and that vision becomes a
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legitimate business. Now, I've heard it say that my greatest
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zone of genius is I move quickly. But the downside
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to that, the flip side coin to that is my
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greatest vision detriment is I move too quickly. But it's
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all great because we saw a need in our community
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for a paranormal intelligence agency here in Las Vegas, bridging
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the gap, helping people out. And so we have decided
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to open up this business. And I want to take
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you through all of that tonight. And it gets to
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be so fun and so exciting. So Greg and I
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recently launched Cane Arcane. It's a paranormal intelligent agency here
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in Las Vegas. And if you've followed me for any
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length of time, you'll know that I don't believe people
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have to stay inside of one box, right? I'm involved
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in law and mediation, coaching. I do media. I publish books.
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I'm a business strategist. And now, holy crap, I get
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to do paranormal investigation. And this has been so fun. Why?
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Because Curiosity doesn't care about what your business card says, right?
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And tonight, I want to take you behind the scenes
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of how Cane Arcane was created and what we're actually
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investigating and why we refuse to approach every strange experience
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as an automatic paranormal and why one of our biggest
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goals is to collaborate with other investigators rather than compete
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with them. So this is huge because when nobody... has
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all the answers, collaboration gets to be a lot more interesting.
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And before we go any further, I wanted to explain
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what cane arcane is. I don't know if you guys
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have ever heard this word arcane. The word arcane means
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something mysterious and secret, hidden, or understood only by a few.
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It refers to knowledge that sits beneath the surface And
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the kind of thing that requires more curiosity, more research,
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and the willingness to go deeper. And the word immediately
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fit when we wanted this agency to represent. So then
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what we did was we added our family name, Kane.
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And so we came up with, and so it's been
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very intentional. We came up with Kane, our Kane. And
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we didn't want this to sound just like another paranormal
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group at all. We wanted to put our family name
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on it, brand it, and make it clear that this
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work carries our reputation, right? And it carries our standards,
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and it carries our personal commitment. So Kane Arcane literally
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became our family name attached to the mysterious and the unexplained.
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And that's our mark on the work. And in a way,
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the same name actually tells us what we're doing. We
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take what is hidden, unusual, unexplained, And we go beneath
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the surface to investigate it.
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And that's where.
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Things get to be so fun. So why Cane Arcane?
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Why this, right? Out of all the things I could
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do with my legal expertise, with my mediation, with my communication. Interesting.
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I was talking to my husband just today at lunch
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and I was thinking, huh, you know, I am a
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mindset coach. I help executives. These are the guys who
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have climbed the ladder, who have fulfilled all of their
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needs and they get to the top and and they're like, oh, okay,
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life's boring. What do I do? And I just bring
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them back to themselves, which Miss Tisha Marie Kane is
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very introspective. I'm always looking at ways to understand my
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avatar and why I do what I do. Why did
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I choose to become a multiple subject credential, rather just
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pick science or pick math, right? Why did I choose?
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Why do I choose to go to law school and
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give up three and a half years of my life?
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Why did I choose to go to Australia to become
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a clinical hypnotherapist for a month to give up that
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time to really dive in and understand what Planet Life
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School is, right? So when I was looking at this,
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looking at why we did what we do. Why does
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Tisha Marie Cain want to do this? And it's underneath
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the surface where it's like, I want to look under
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the hood of things. I want to see what makes
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things work, what makes things tick, right? And so interesting
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how about 10 years ago, my voice was almost taken
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away from me. I didn't have a voice. And so
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I spent six years publishing books, eight books, by the way,
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trying to get my voice out. And lately, as a publisher,
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as a coach, as a paranormal investigator now, I'm being
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called forth to listen and listen to people's stories and
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give people the spotlight, give people the room and just
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hold the space for someone to tell their story. And so,
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so exquisite this life gets to be where I've used
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the last 10 years to really tell my story. And
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now I'm positioning myself in a space where I get
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to listen to paranormal activity and paranormal stories that are
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absolutely fascinating. And one thing about our book and what
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we wrote about is we say throughout the whole book
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that there's more to reality we investigate. Right. Especially like
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on the legal side, when I'm doing criminal law and
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I'm looking at, OK, defense and I'm looking at a
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way to pull apart all the different elements of the crime.
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And I look at all the evidence. I'm always investigating.
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I'm always looking at the little breadcrumbs that are left.
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Right.
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And so I equate that over here to our paranormal company,
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Cane Arcane, and being able to look underneath the surface
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and being able to investigate more and not just, you know,
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I'm a skeptic. Like, I want to rule out everything
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before I can say that it's a definitive answer. And
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I think I built a reputation about me already to
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understand and know that what I bring to the table
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is authenticity and congruency, integrity. I'm not just going to
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rule out one thing. I'm going to look at both sides.
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I do this in mediation for family law. I look
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at both sides. Okay, what do we got going on?
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What are we doing? And then get something out on
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the table that makes sense. And so when we talk
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about cane arcane in the paranormal, I do exactly this
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as well. So it's really exciting for me right now
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because it just didn't come from a need in the community.
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When Greg and I sit back and we were talking about, okay,
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where do we want to go next? This is the
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year of the fire horse. What do we see? What
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does our community need? How can we serve and support
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our community in a bigger way? And so Cane Arcane
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didn't begin because Greg and I woke up one morning
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and decided ghost hunting was going to be fun, right?
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We didn't decide that. Our interest is, An unexplained phenomenon
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goes back much, much further. My husband, Greg, has spent
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decades working inside some of California's most historical correctional institutions.
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He gave 25 years of his life working inside Mule Creek,
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inside Folsom, and he retired from San Quentin. And what he,
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this guy, he has some stories, right? And he keeps
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a lot of it to himself. But when it comes
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to the paranormal, he is definitive in his answer to say,
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holy moly, there were some things that were unexplained in there.
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And I still can't explain them to this day. Because
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those places, they're filled with history. And they're filled with trauma,
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human stories. And the experiences that sometimes are difficult to explain.
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And I had my own experiences myself eventually. And our
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conversation started to change instead of asking, what do you
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think that was? We started asking, how would we investigate that?
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So Greg and I had many suppers where we're like, okay,
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how would we investigate? How would we pull this apart
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like an onion, right? How would we start breaking this
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apart to go deeper? So Cane Arcane was born from
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the idea that curiosity and discipline can exist together. Greg
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is highly disciplined, and so am I. And we're highly
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curious about all things on planet Earth. But more importantly, specifically, recently,
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we've become interested in the paranormal and investigating deeper, even
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though we've had a long history of that because we're
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bridging the gap between what our community needs and how
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we can serve and support. So we don't just want
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to walk into a property and announce this place is haunted.
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That isn't an investigation. And Greg and I are all
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about investigating, going deeper. The investigation begins with questions. Like
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we start with what happened here? Was this reported? Okay,
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give me your experience. What occurred here? What are the patterns?
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What can we explain? And after eliminating reasonable explanations, what
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still remains? And sometimes the answer may be the paranormal.
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And sometimes the answer may be the plumbing. And we've
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found that out recently. And both answers, they matter. Because
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our job isn't to manufacture a mystery. Our job is
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to investigate one. So this is what we've done. We
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turned curiosity into a business. And the reason why I
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share today is, guys, if I could do this, so
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can you. I set out 10 years ago to open
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up our legal business. I didn't realize I was going
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to impact 16,000 lives. And I just added that up today.
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I went back on my calendar to see how we
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served and supported 16,000 lives. And then I opened up
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my executive coaching business where my favorite modality is hypnotherapy
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and looking at how many people I've served. And then
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a couple years ago, we opened up Kane and Company Publishing.
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And I didn't realize that not only was I giving
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myself a voice, I was giving other people a platform
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for their voice to be heard too. And now, We're
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going into the paranormal. I share this with you not
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to be braggiocious and not to say, hey, look at me,
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but to say, hey, if I can do it, so
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can you. And so I saw a need. There were
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people asking, hey, can someone come in and do a
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spiritual cleanse within my house? Because I think my place
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is haunted. Can someone come in and clear this out
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from an energetic perspective? I'm like, yeah, I totally can.
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Because I operate with one foot in the spirit world
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and one foot in the earthly world. And I get
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to do both things because that's where I operate. You know,
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I go from 3D to 5D. And my husband was
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just telling me today that I'm even going 5D. higher
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than that because of the questions that he asked me,
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he was like, wow, normal people don't answer questions like
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that in such an elevated state. And I'm like, I just,
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you know, I don't have any ill will towards anyone.
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And when someone misbehaves, I just look at them as
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like a 10 year old little child who hasn't been
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taught right. You know, and I don't see any ill will.
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So I look at things different. So bringing Greg's perspective
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and my perspective together, this is, is already turning into
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something that's absolutely fascinating. People usually see a business after
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it exists. You guys see the logo. I've created the logo.
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I've created the website. I've created the social media pages.
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We wrote the book. We wrote the book. Then you
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see the number to call. But you didn't see the
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hundreds of decisions that happened before we even went public.
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When we started developing Cane Arcane, we had to ask
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the same questions every entrepreneur eventually has to answer. What
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exactly do we do? Who do we serve? What makes
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us different? What does an investigation actually look like? We
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had to sit down and come up with a business
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plan because I'm here to succeed and none of my
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businesses fail. And typically I just take a big giant
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leap of faith I have faith. as a mustard seed.
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And that's what Jesus Christ tells us we have to
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have is just faith as a mustard seed. And then
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I take a giant leap forward and say, Hey, you
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know what? I'm going to pour my soul into this
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and you never know where it's going to go. And
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that's exactly what we're doing. We're already getting calls for
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energetic clearings and people wanting to dive deeper. A restaurant
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has even reached out to us to have us go
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in and explain away some paranormal activity inside there. So
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we got to do that today and it was absolutely fascinating, right?
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We had to really get a business plan, like who
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do we serve and why are we different? How are
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we going to document this? So we've spent hundreds of
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hours already looking at how do we serve and support
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our community? What is gonna be our strategy? What is
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gonna be our framework? What is the logo gonna look like?
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What is the story gonna be told? What stories do
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we already know? What evidence have we already collected? What
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investigative things have we already done? And let's put that
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together and really create something that's gonna be beneficial to
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our community, right? So we had to build an infrastructure
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behind a promise. And our promise is that there's more
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to reality and that we investigate that. And that gets
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to be so exciting because for us, an investigation begins
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before we walk through the front door. We start with
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the people involved. There's a whole intake. There's the whole
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back of house built out around how we're going to
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support and serve those in our community with paranormal activity, right?
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So we come in professional. We come in with a strategy.
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We come in asking questions. What are we experiencing here?
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When did this begin? All these questions. Who has experienced it?
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Does it happen during particular times of the day? Which
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I'm starting to find common denominators on the paranormal activity
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when things get to go woo-woo and creaky and spooky, right?
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Who moved in the house? Who moved out? We just
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get in there and we just ask those questions so
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we can start building a case file for you to
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understand what's actually happening on the land or in the building.
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We look at property records. We look at all of
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the historical records. We look at the deaths and significant
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events associated with that particular location. And then we develop
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an investigative plan. So Greg and I, so you get
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a whole team when you hire us. Greg and I
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sit down and we develop an investigative plan. And we
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have a plan of attack, if you will, where we
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go in and we're like, okay, we're going to look
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at this. We're going to interview these people. We're going
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to see what's happening. We're going to see what their
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chief complaint is, what paranormal activity is, if there's a
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strange photograph out there that we need to look at.
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Is there certain times of the day that we need
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to look at? So we get all of that evidence
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and all of that investigative history before we even walk
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in the door. So what's really exciting is we've been
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doing this for a while, but we've just recently said,
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let's serve and support bigger. Because we know that we can.
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We have the capacity to serve our community at bigger level.
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And so we want to do exactly that. And so
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that's what we're doing. This is what Cane Arcane is about.
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We are a paranormal intelligence agency. So I just want
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to stop right there. When we come back, I want
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to look at all the other ways. I want to
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tell you guys one of our stories that just happened
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to us recently and dive into... what it looks like
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All right, you guys, we are back with Beyond Mindset Limits.
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I'm your host, Tisha Marie Cain. You can find me
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at www.tisha.com. It's biblical for a reason. You know what?
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I was just sitting here thinking on the break, like
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how exquisite life gets to be, right? I'm like, Sometimes
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I listen to my bio or I read my bio
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out and I'm like, what the heck? I do old
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things and I believe that life's a playground. One time,
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my best friend, I said, do you think I should
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cut my hair and change the color? And she goes,
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why not? Life's a playground. And I thought, huh, wow.
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And you know what? She transformed my whole life that
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day in that one conversation by saying, life is a playground.
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And I want to inspire you today because a lot
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of people look to me and they're like, Tisha, you're
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so inspiring. You guys can do exactly what I'm doing. Now,
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I understand there is a little bit of disconnect. There
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are the people out there who are dreamers. who just dream,
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I wish I could do this and I wish I
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could do that. And there are people out there like
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me that say, I wish I could do this. And
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then I just do it. I action it out because
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I know that healing is in the doing. Everything is
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in the doing. So a lot of times I have
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to remind myself that I need to simply be because
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someone who is an extrovert like me and always rush, rush, rush.
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Even on vacation, I'm working. I'm thinking of a new
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business plan. I'm thinking of more ways to support and
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serve my community. I got to remind myself that I
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get to be in my own energy and my own
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presence and just celebrate these little wins. And that's why
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I opened the show tonight with, you know, pull up
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your phone and just celebrate even If you think it's
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corny and dumb, like my 111 YouTube followers, you know,
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I was laughing because one of the guys I follow,
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David Baer, everybody knows this guy. If you're in the
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coaching space, David Baer is amazing. And so he, what
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inspired me was he had posted this thing that he
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had 600,000 followers. And I looked at that and said, huh.
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You know, I just have this little radio show, Beyond
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Mindset Limits, and how am I ever going to have
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a voice that gets to be transmitted to 600,000 followers?
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And I believe this radio station hits it, right? So
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I'm like, I already have that. Can I just swim
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in that energy? So I decided to celebrate that. 111 followers.
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And then I got another one. So now I'm at
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like 112. I don't know. But I just I want
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to inspire you to action out your biggest dreams. Okay,
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I went to law school to become a lawyer. and
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now I'm over here playing with the ghosts. Okay. Because
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I'm showing you a way. I'm showing you the way through.
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If it doesn't light your fire, if it doesn't bring
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you joy, don't do it. And that's where we're moving to.
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That's where we're moving to on the new earth is
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If it doesn't light you up and if you're exhausted, right?
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If you're doing something like, oh my gosh, I'm exhausted,
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then you're not aligned with that thing. Because I tell
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you right now, when my husband and I decided to
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open up yet another business, writing the book Cane Arcane,
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We had more energy. We were up until two o'clock
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in the morning writing. I gave him my manuscript. He
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gave me his manuscript back and forth. Hey, look at this.
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Hey, do this.
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You know, we wanted it to be more of a
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tiny book where we could get all the things out
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that we wanted to incorporate. He's already been in magazines
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in Germany writing paranormal stuff from years before, but he
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wanted to include stories like that in our book because
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this is our family book and our family legacy, right?
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handing each other manuscripts. We were so lit up that
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we elicited the energy within us to create this book
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and create the business and create the socials and create
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the logo. Like if it does not light you up,
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don't do it. Quit. And in the past, you know,
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they bagged on us for, oh, don't quit. Just keep
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doing what you're doing. No, no, no. I'm a quitter.
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I am a quitter. If it does not light me
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up like this cane arcane is lighting me up over
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the past several months, then I'm not doing it. And
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the more I talk to people about our business and
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what I do and what we do and how we
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support and serve our community, do you know the more
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people lean in and they want to tell their stories
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and I get to listen and I get to listen
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to these fascinating stories as I'm a publisher and an author?
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And so in our book, Cane or Cane, are several
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stories that we've done ourselves, that we've investigated ourselves, that
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we put in this book that we wanted to get
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out to the public to read. So get our book.
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It is on Amazon today. Just run our name, Tisha
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Marie Cane or Gregory Allen Cane. Go to Amazon, run
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our name, Cane or Cane. Get the book today because
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it is fascinating, and it is fun. So I want
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to talk about building something with your spouse that sometimes
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can be difficult, right? I think Greg and I, there were,
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there were a couple of times we were like, that
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kind of, you could do better than that, baby. You know,
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we were cheerleading each other on like that chapter sounds
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kind of corny. Can you beef it up a little bit?
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And he went back to the drawing board and then
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he'd say, Hey, that chapter seems unfinished. Do you want
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to add this? Just asking the right questions, right? It's
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about building something And anybody who has ever worked with
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a spouse knows that working together requires understanding with each
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other what each other brings to the table. Greg brings
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decades of investigative thinking, observation, documentation, history, interviewing, and the
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ability to recognize when something doesn't quite add up. My
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husband has the biggest intuition I've ever met in my life.
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And I bring decades. Communication, research, questioning, publishing, media, interviewing,
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human behavior. I love human behavior. I love human behavior.
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And a different way of interpreting experiences. And we don't
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have to see everything the same. Actually, I think it
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would hurt our investigation if we did. You want someone
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willing to say, hmm, that's interesting. And someone else willing
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to say, hold on. Now let's see if there's another explanation.
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Good investigation requires both. And that's what Greg and I
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came to when we were writing this book and developing
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this business. Like good investigation requires both sides of the
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pendulum because the objective isn't proving yourself right. The objective
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is getting closer to what actually happened. One of the
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most important decisions we made when developing Cane Arcane was
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deciding what kind of relationship we wanted with the larger
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paranormal community, right? So we went out and we did
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some research and we investigated the paranormal community, especially here
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in Las Vegas, right? We're looking around, what are they doing?
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What sets us apart? And our answer was simple. We
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don't want to build another little island. We want collaboration.
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And collaboration right now, I believe is huge because people
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want to be social outside of social media. There is
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more of a need for people to gather and be together.
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No more six feet apart. We want to swim in
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each other's energy, right? Las Vegas and Southern Nevada already
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have paranormal investigators. They have historians. I've already researched this.
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I've done extensive amount of research in this area. They
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have tour operators. They have researchers. Last week, we had
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Danielle Nicole. She does Vegas Afterlife. She was on the show.
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She does her own tours and her own paranormal research.
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She's phenomenal, right? We have spiritual practitioners. We have people
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who have spent years studying unusual phenomena. So why would
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we pretend that knowledge doesn't exist? Different investigative teams use
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different equipment. different methodologies, different research techniques, different theories and philosophies.
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And that's exactly why collaboration becomes valuable. Imagine this. Imagine
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multiple investigators entering the same property independently. Imagine them all
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comparing their findings at the end. Imagine historians providing context
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for the investigators, but they didn't have that beforehand. Imagine
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the different teams coming together documenting the same phenomenon without
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knowing what the other teams observed. Now, that's where the
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conversation gets interesting. It stops being, my ghost meter went
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off and starts becoming, what did multiple independent investigators actually document?
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And that's the community Greg and I would like to
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help build. And we're doing it. And we believe we're
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doing it. And I believe that Las Vegas is the
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perfect laboratory. And we're sitting in the most interesting places
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in America to do this, right? Las Vegas is surrounded
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by stories, surrounded by mining towns and railroads. I was
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looking at like old historical hotels, casinos, old ranches. We
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have desert settlements. We have military history here. We have
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Area 51. We have mob history, right? We have Boomtown.
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We were even talking to the lady at the restaurant today.
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And her great-grandfather was part of the mob here in Vegas.
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She grew up in Vegas, was born here. And her
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story was interesting. So we're going to spend some time
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with her diving deep into that story. But it's just
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years of mob history and Boomtowns. There's tragedy everywhere. There's
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communities that disappeared, properties that changed hands repeatedly. Greg and
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I took a field trip, right? So we're starting our business.
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We're in Las Vegas. We're developing a business plan. We're
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understanding what it's going to take to get this off
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the ground, how we're going to support and serve our community.
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what strategy we want to deploy, so we develop the
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case file, the C file. And what the C file is,
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we'll give you guys a name. We'll go in and
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get the historical information on the property, the year it
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was built, if it was a property thing. We'll go
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and look at the microfiche at the newspaper. We already
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know that the archives are housed up in Carson City, Nevada.
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So Greg and I, we took a field trip. We've
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been taking field trips every day. We've been exploring the
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recorder's office, the assessor's office, looking at old newspapers, looking
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at ways to investigate old stories. Holy moly, there's a lot,
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but boy, we are so excited because the more we dig,
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the more we investigate, the more we uncover what reality
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is or isn't, right? There's adventure in this business. What
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we've known is every property has a story and every
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land has a history. And sometimes the history creates questions
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worth investigating. So the bigger question is here is Greg
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and I started to think bigger. We wanted to think bigger.
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What if Cane Arcane could help bring different parts of
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the paranormal community together? Go underneath Cane Arcane. Beside Cane Arcane, right?
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Not underneath it. Different organizations maintaining their own identities, methods,
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and philosophies while all of us are collaborating on research
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and education. Imagine something like this, Las Vegas Paranormal Research
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Collective or collaborative, right? Where we get investigators, historians, researchers, authors, Equipment,
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we want like the best equipment specialists, property owners, spiritual practitioners,
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and people who are simply curious about unexplained paranormal phenomenon.
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Nobody has to agree about the paranormal activity is or
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what it isn't. In fact, the disagreement may make the
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research even better. And that's why I'm excited. The objective
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would be simple about this. Bring intelligent, curious people together
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and compare what they discover. Wouldn't that be awesome? Like
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we've already even thought about, okay, what if there was
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a paranormal research weekend, right? One idea where we're experiencing
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Las Vegas paranormal research, and we do like a paranormal
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research and an education weekend, right? Picture this. During the day,
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investigators and experts, they teach. Topics would be paranormal investigation 101,
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researching the history. So basically we'd just be collapsing time
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for anybody interested in this field, collapsing time so you
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don't have to do hundreds of research like we've already done, right?
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Paranormal investigative 101, researching the history of the property, understanding
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investigative equipment, maybe audio and video documentation, interviewing witnesses, what
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that entails, separating evidence from interpretation, what historical research entails,
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spiritual perspectives. We could do a class on ethics, on privacy,
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on respecting property owners, because we've thought about that too, right?
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So we've been hired to go inside homes and check
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on the paranormal activity, right? So how do we preserve
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the integrity of the home? How do we respect the
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privacy of the home? How do we respect the property
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owners and make sure that we don't overstep boundaries, right?
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And then we do all of that investigative and historical work.
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And here's the part I really like. The investigation doesn't
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end when everyone packs up their equipment. The next morning,
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everyone comes back together and we examine the evidence together.
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What did we record? What can we explain? What different
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teams observed independently? Because, you know, I remember when I
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was in law school, they're like, you guys need to
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do like law school study, right? Where you guys get
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together and go over contracts and see where you're missing
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something that you're, there's a hole in your evidence. There's
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a hole in your argument. Same thing with the paranormal, right?
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I get everybody together to do a paranormal investigative weekend.
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This is like big idea thinking, you guys. I have
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gone out on the limbs because I'm like, oh, I'm
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going to take this little bright little nugget and turn
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it into this whole working engine machine, helping and serving
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our community to get the answers that they need. Sometimes
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it can be explained and sometimes it doesn't, right? There's
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a part, so... We go down, when you get our book,
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it's so good. Like I'm not saying that because I
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wrote it, but I am saying that because I wrote it.
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Our book is so good. We even put like real
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life stories in the back of the book. I wanna
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take you down through, because I wrote it. I wanna
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take you down through this story. It's a lot. So, okay,
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hold on to your steering wheel if you're traveling down
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India or Barstow And just listen to this story, right?
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So this was one of the encounters that happened. So
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we got a call from a family living in North
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Las Vegas recently. Their 11-year-old daughter had repeatedly described seeing
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a woman outside an upstairs window, okay? So the 11-year-old
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saw this woman outside this upstairs window. And there was
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an immediate problem. The window was approximately 16 feet above
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the ground. Her parents immediately dismissed the reports as her dreams, right?
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Then the girl's mom saw what appeared to be a
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pale face reflected in the glass while walking past the room.
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So fear spread through the household quickly. And what I
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know about fear, it's not true, right? But they didn't
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have an explanation for what they saw. So they immediately
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were scared. And so Greg disliked cases involving children because
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adults could unintentionally reinforce the adult's interpretation by asking more questions.
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So he didn't want to take on this case, but
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I'm like, let's just dive in because we know how
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to investigate. So I spoke with a girl without telling
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her what her parents had reported. And I asked her
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a question to say, okay, what'd you see? And she goes,
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a lady. And I said, what was she doing? And
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she said, nothing. And I said, did she talk? And
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she said, no. And I said, well, did the lady
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scare you? And she said, no, not really. And there
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was a little bit of a hesitation. I was like, okay.
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So all the while we have our C file for
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this family, for the little girl, for the property, for
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the woman in the window, right? The child, she didn't
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describe a monster, right? She just described a woman in
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the window, right? And Greg started examining the exterior of
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this house. A neighboring second floor window reflected a light
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directly above the girl's room. And there was a decorative
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tree moved in front of the reflection of that window
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inside the home. And so at certain angles, the combination
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formed a remarkable face like pattern, right? So he was
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able to discover that. the woman stared at it and
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the little girl stared at it. And then she said,
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that's what I saw. And so Greg considered the primary
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mystery solved. Like we solved it. It was the tree
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and the window and the way that the light was.
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But I wasn't quite certain. I'm like, I want to,
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I want to investigate this more. So while I was
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packing up my equipment, the little girl handed me a
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drawing and I'm an artist. And I looked at this
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drawing and it showed a woman with shoulder length hair
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standing inside her room, but not outside. And so I
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asked her if she drew her outside the window or
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inside the window. And if the woman was inside or
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outside her room and the little girl said, sometimes she's
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in my room. And I was like, okay, okay. So
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Greg started studying the pictures. You know, children draw things
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and children imagine things. They occasionally describe experiences adults can't,
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you know, disprove. But there was no evidence of anyone
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inside a room. There was no recordings. There was no
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unexplained movements. There was no voices, nothing. And so, interesting enough,
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what we saw is was the case was unresolved, but
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not threatening. So what happened was the family just stopped
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discussing the woman in front of the girl because the
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family was keeping the woman's face alive in the girl's psyche, right?
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They're like, okay, did you see the girl again? Did
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you see the girl? So we told the family, don't
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discuss the woman anymore and let's see what happens. And
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we did an energetic clearing and we had the little
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girl help us do an energetic clearing in the house.
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And reset the home. And we used the family's help.
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And two days later, the family called and said, the
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little girl hasn't even talked about the woman. Now, this
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was recent. And I'm going to check back in with
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that family. But we got everybody on board to do
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an energetic clearing. And then the family stopped talking about
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the woman in the window. And the little girl was
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no longer scared and hasn't drew the pictures anymore. So
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we're going to see. But it's stuff like that, that
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it's intriguing, right? I want to know more. I want
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to just don't say case resolved, case unexplained. I want
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to dive deeper, especially these littles. These children, you know,
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they're so connected to God. They can see things from
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other perspectives. And I know there's the telepathy tapes out
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there that are huge right now of children seeing sightings
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and ghosts and other unexplained phenomenon. And so that's where
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I wanted to develop a company for my community to
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have a way to have someone they trust who had integrity,
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who had authority, who was well-respected come in and be
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able to look at things and dive deeper. And that
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has been the real reason why I wanted to do
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this because I wanted to show up for my community
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and just give them a sounding board. Sometimes when you
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talk about something and you just like, let it be
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a pressure valve, things go away. So I want to
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also talk about Las Vegas. And there's an open invitation
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here for anybody listening. And up LA too. I mean,
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you guys are close. So I wanted tonight's show to
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extend an invitation into my community. If you're part of
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the paranormal investigative team in Las Vegas, Southern Nevada, LA,
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and if you're a historian, or you're a researcher, if
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you know of like a story that I just told
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about the woman in the window and was not easily explained,
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but you had to dive deeper to be more of
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a researcher, if you're an.
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Author or equipment developer, a tour operator, a spiritual practitioner,
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or someone doing serious work involving unexplained phenomenon, Greg and
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I want to meet you.
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We want you to reach out. We don't need... Everyone
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to think alike, okay? I want to be clear with that.
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We don't need to all think alike. We probably wouldn't
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want that anyway, right? We want people willing to exchange knowledge.
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This is what I saw and compare like different methodologies, right?
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Investigate together, challenge assumptions and create something interesting for Las
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Vegas because none of us have all of the answers
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and anybody claiming to have all the answers probably deserves
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a little investigating themselves, right? So I want to invite
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you to reach out to us. You can find us
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on all platforms, TishaMarieCain.com. And then I want to talk
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about our book. Another major piece of this launch has
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been our book. Publishing the book mattered to us because
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documentation is central to everything that we're trying to build.
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I love legacy. I want my children's children's children to
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know grandma was awesome, right? I'm not a grandma and
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my baby is 11 years old, so it probably won't
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be a grandma for a long, long time, but I'm
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leaving a legacy, right? Documentation is central to everything that
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I build. I want to document. I want to show
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them what we've done and I want to show you
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what you can do. I want to inspire you to
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get out there and create something that's been Lighting your
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fire for years, your story matters. History matters, right? Whatever
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lights your fire, do that. And this book, this book
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has lit our fire and has lit us up in
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more ways for Greg and I to be a co-author
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on this book, Cane Arcane, the Paranormal Intelligent Agency. There's
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more to reality. We investigate. This book gives us an
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opportunity to go deeper into investigation and deeper into techniques,
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deeper into the paranormal phenomenon. We're looking at cool equipment, research.
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We've been doing this for years, but we've just recently
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decided to grow this bigger. And so as our agency grows,
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I expect that our own case history to grow with it.
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And so with permission and appropriate privacy protections, we want
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to eventually have more case studies where Cane Arcane develops
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case files to investigate the paranormal and give some explanation
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behind some of the things that occur. So I invite
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you to get our book today. Celebrate with us. If
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you guys have any paranormal activity, reach out to us.
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You can find us on all platforms. Kane Arcane. You
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can find me, Tisha Marie Kane. Let's do this. I'm excited.
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Let's explain the unexplained. And we're here to serve and support.
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So Thank you guys for another week of Beyond Mindset Limits.
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We're going to see you next week for another good one.
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Have a good evening.
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Thank you for joining Tisha Marie Cain for Beyond Mindset Limits.
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Tune in every Wednesday at 4 p.m. as the conversation
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continues around mindset, legal insight, and publishing as a strategic
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tool for business positioning. Visit TishaMarieCain.com or CainsLegalSupport.com for more
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information or to schedule your private appointment. Thank you.