Why Everything You Know About Aging Is Wrong

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Well, I can tell you, it saved my life.
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I had severe COVID, and I didn't want to go to the hospital, and I was doing everything I possibly could to stay alive.
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A friend of mine was in Mexico, and they were using methylene blue, activated with a red light, and they were treating acute severe COVID with it, and they were getting very good results.
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So he sent it to me.
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I had really never used it before.
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I'd studied it, and I found that methylene blue works on the exterior coat of lipid-based viruses and breaks them down, including herpes.
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And COVID was to be understood as had a lipid outer bilayer.
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But anyway, I nebulized it, used it IV, it changed the course of my disease.
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And I look like a smurf.
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I literally breathed it in, I put it in an IV bag, I did that on my own.
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Within two days, I was descending into a place I didn't think I was gonna make.
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And I was starting to really start to lose control.
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Welcome to the Longevity Loop, your gateway to longevity.
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I'm Brent Wallace, and every week I sit down with the doctors and scientists actually building this field.
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You get real answers in this episode: no influencer hype.
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Quick reminder here: this is for education and entertainment purposes only.
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It's not medical advice.
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And with that said, stay in the loop.
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Welcome to the Longevity Loop Podcast.
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So, this is a podcast where we like to call out the hype, skip the noise, and actually get to what works in the real world for you who's listening right now.
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So I'm Brent Wallace, and today we're digging into what's actually earned its place in longevity medicine.
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You talk about things that have earned its place in longevity medicine with Dr.
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Michael J.
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Hall.
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So a little bit about Dr.
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Hall.
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He's a board-certified physician.
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He founded Hall Longevity Clinic in Miami back in 2006, which is, you know, we'll get into that, but that's cool.
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That's a cool note because kind of precedes all this longevity.
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Um, you know, it's preceding that big curve of popularity of longevity uh stuff that's in now.
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So that's a super cool thing.
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He's also a senior FAA Aviation Medical Examiner, and his new book, Infinite Youth Solving the Aging Equation, which I read.
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I loved it.
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It's a short, easy read.
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And uh yeah, so who we are.
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So, Michael, welcome.
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Thank you for having me, Brent.
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I'm glad you're here.
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So I want to start somewhere specific.
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And so, you know, like I mentioned, I read the book, and there's a few chapters that were my favorite in here, but there's a chapter in here you called The Illusion of Ageless Promises.
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And it's probably one of the most aggressive things uh that I've read uh from a practicing longevity doctor, and you really go after the supplement industry, which I approve of because I think there's so much hype and influencer and money in it that things get sold as magic remedies and they're just not.
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That's all it is.
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And you know, you you called it expensive urine, which basically what it is.
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So the and and the thing I really liked about it, you talked about the business model, and it's just like monetizing people's fear of getting sick, getting old.
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And so that is the one part of the chapter, and then later in the book, you talk about your protocol, um, you know, which includes metformin, reptamycin, methylene blue.
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That's some pretty serious pharmacology, sir, there.
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So what I want to start at is where's your line?
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What separates something that is quote unquote the expense of urine to something that has earned its place in your protocol?
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Um, you know, so how do you separate those two things from something that's being sold well through influencers and Instagram and what have you, and then something that's earned its place in your protocol and likely your patient's protocol?
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That's a it's a very interesting question.
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What's happened, I think, in in respect to this supplement nutraceutical industry is that and this goes back into you know traditional Americana.
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A lot of things that we do are marketed, they're sold, they're sort of I don't you like using the word snake whale, but they're not proven, they've been hyped, and it's really driven, like you said, from a basis of fear uh or FOMO.
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And the idea is that right?
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We have fear and FOMO.
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Yeah, that's a good one to add to that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And and I think, you know, and I and and I and and I can tell you from my experience, I'm a big purveyor of what works.
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I want to see evidence, I want to see studies, I want to see results.
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And when I look at my patient's blood work, when I look at my own blood work, I look at where I could optimize certain things like vitamin D or B12 or whatever, whatever it could be zinc, could be a lot of things that that make up a panel, but oftentimes, you know, we're sold sort of sawdust in a capsule, and and you don't know you know where it's coming from, you know, where they're sourcing the the actual kind of base ingredients, and and I think that is kind of the rub.
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Now, when you look at sort of companies that are out there, you have orthomolecular, you have Thorn, you have Pure, you have Zymogen.
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So these are true nutraceutical companies.
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And I and you know, not that I promote any particular one.
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I use Zymogen.
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They're based in Orlando, they're they're a uh incredibly unique company.
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There are a lot of products that I have created for my practice that they sometimes can't get the ingredients for and they won't make them.
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They'll just let me know that we're at we can't source uh X or Y.
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And then they're like, hey, we're you know, we're unfortunately until we can get it, we're we're gonna suspend this production of this functional food or whatever it may be.
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And I think what's happened is sorry about that.
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Yeah.
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What's happened is that once you reach a certain point of objectivity with some of these things, you become very relied on them.
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And I have to say that I also give things, you know, through intravenous uh, you know, like what you call it a bag of nutrients, nutrients or you know, vitamin C and magnesium and things that sometimes you just can't give in the dosage that I'd like to give orally.
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So I can see how they work from that perspective on the patient, whether they're sick or whether that there's something going on.
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And I know that there's a direct impact.
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It's a positive one.
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So getting into this idea of who do you trust, where do you go, where do you source it, I think it's always good to go to, you know, through someone that you can you can feel confident with that they have used whatever product they're selling and they they can show that this actually is something that works, you know, simple as that.
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In my protocol, and I you know you talked about rampomyosin and metformin, those are things that I I list or things that I think are very interesting and have shown some promise.
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Now, rampomyosin, for instance, has not shown that it increases human longevity, but in the studies with humans, they've shown that the biomarkers of aging have been reduced.
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So there is some um actual indirect evidence that that would indicate that if if they're used a certain way, for instance, a four-month period of time, every Monday you're using, you know, say three milligram or six milligram, there will be some impact.
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But there's levels uh, you know, biomarkers that need to be taken before and after so that you can monitor this.
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So I would never advise someone just to take something because I I I explained it in a book.
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I really, you know, enforce upon folks that I talk to and I explain things to that you want sort of a mentor or coach or someone that you trust in the healthcare field, obviously a physician ideally, that can say, Yeah, I see the studies, I know what's going on.
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This is the the sort of Venn diagram that can be applied to your situation.
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And we can do a nutraceutical, maybe we do an IEV infusion, maybe we add a medicine, and those things overlapping each other will give you a certain effect.
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For me, I'm 57, I'm gonna be 58 next month.
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So I am pretty much where I'm at, I think when I was 25.
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I feel like that.
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I'm still doing the same activities, maybe not running around New York City like I used to, but I'm in Miami, you know, I take my walks in the morning, I do, you know, I eat my prepared foods that I make and all the kind of stuff I do, but I have no health issues.
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I've maintained a weight that I would pretty much say that was and I talk about this in the book.
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Weight is a very important indicator of health because we have in-organ reserves.
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So the heavier we are, the more our body consumes hormonal products that we have to manufacture.
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For instance, our thyroid has to work harder, our adrenals have to work harder, our gallbladder and liver to maintain that extra weight.
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And that's really kind of like you, for instance, your pancreas is burning up insulin.
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It's making insulin to the beta cells, those beta cells eventually become exhausted, that becomes diabetes.
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If you're heavy and you reduce those caloric needs for the body, so it doesn't have to maintain that extra weight, you're eating less, the body's making less product, but it's preserving and kind of enabling longer usage or long-term usage of those pristine, important hormonal products, you're going to be healthier.
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Period.
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You know, no question about it.
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So then you look at the GLP ones, you know, and that's the peptide scene, and that's sort of a whole nother discussion.
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But yeah.
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Yeah, there you go.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, I guess I mean it to a certain extent, well, there's so many things to kind of double-click on there, but just on that recent thing, I I mean, I guess you're kind of making the case for calorie restriction or fasted time eating right there.
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Because it's like you want to be intaking less, but I I I feel something uh just personally with me is like when I eat more, there's something about my weight actually drops.
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Like I ate leaner.
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Um, that's because I'm hitting the gym, I'm cycling, I'm running, like I'm doing, you know, I've got a five-year-old that weighs 50 pounds that I'm hefting around.
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Right.
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You know, I'm pretty active, but you know, like that thing that you're talking about, you know, the heavier you are, it's a larger metabolic toll on your body.
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Correct.
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What you know to get around that, it is it calorie restriction that you're talking about?
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Is it time restricted feeding?
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Is it just eating less?
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Is it higher quality foods I'd imagine would be for sure, you know, eliminate junk.
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Well, it's all the above.
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Um food is fuel.
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So if you're more active and you're expending calories to maintain your musculature when you're on your cycle, you know, you're doing your cycling or you're doing your gym activity, you know, your body needs that nutrients, you know, to run itself.
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Now, if you're not doing that and you're just consuming, I call them dead calories or fear-based eating, you know, you're just eating because you just need to eat.
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You're in front of the television or the computer, and you're trying to, you know, satisfy a pleasure, that's different.
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You know?
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And yeah, calorie restriction is what is one of the known things we actually have evidence that shows that that extends life.
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Caloric restriction diets have been shown to increase lifespan and health span.
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Yep.
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Yeah, I believe that's the only thing, right?
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Isn't that the only thing that's like actually, you know, quote unquote proven to extend life?
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I would say that that's what that's the top.
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That's the top.
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And that's been proven in primates and humans.
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But I would say this, you know, when you look at food and it's such an integral part of our culture, I talk about a heliotropic diet and eating with the sun because that's really how we're designed to eat.
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We wake up in the morning, we sort kind of what's in the trees, you know, the the berries, the nuts, the whatever.
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And then throughout the day, as the sun starts to move throughout the horizon, typically have your protein and your your vegetable mix, whatever that may be, uh, midday.
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And then at night, typically a porridge of tubers or whatever, you know, squash and and uh let's say sweet potato, whatever you can imagine, you know, come out of the ground.
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That sort of is the smartest way to eat.
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And that has been explained to me by uh researchers in in France that have studied this.
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So it's a heliotropic, you think of the sun coming up and going down, and you're eating sort of within that period of time.
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That's kind of that's really how we're designed.
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And that really impacts our levels of hormones, whether it be cortisol or our epinephrine, norepinephrine, thyroid hormone, pancreatic enzymes, whatever you're thinking about, that's sort of like how you want to think about the way that you prescribe a diet.
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Now, what you eat, obviously, if the more raw it is, the healthier you can source it, is always going to be more nutrient-rich.
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Obviously, if you're getting hydroponic things, that's gonna be nutrient deficient.
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A lot of our earth is nutrient deficient because we're not allowing the ground to lay fallow, we're not putting manure in there or whatever, you know, we're trying to stuff it full of glyphosate and it, you know, it's not healthy.
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Um and we can get into that.
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But yes, you know, those are sort of the tricks that I've learned and understood of being um, you know, kind of a good eater.
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Now, one of the other things I think is important is your blood type is also interesting toward eating.
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There's certain blood types that have evolved um from our, I would say, location, longitude, latitude, where we've come from, that certain you know, specific foods are more acceptable to those blood types, or whether it be O or B or A or A B.
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So there are some interesting evidence there.
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So there's a lot to be said that if you look at your genetics, you look at sort of you know where you live, you look at what you can source, and you look at your activities.
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Of course, if you can intermittent fast, that's what lions do.
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That's what animals do.
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They don't eat three times a day.
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They'll gorge themselves on a kill, which I've seen in Africa, and they won't eat for a day or two.
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It doesn't mean that you have to eat every day three times a day.
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If you're not hungry, don't eat.
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You know, if you want to eat something, have a snack, have an apple.
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I eat apple and a little couple of nuts sometimes for dinner because I'm really not that hungry, you know, and it's just because I may not have been that active that day.
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Um, another problem is sitting.
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Our musculatures below the hips, our main muscles, your gluteus, medius, maximus, you got your quads, your hamstrings.
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Those, if you activate with squats before you eat, that really does help the way you consume your calories because you're activating those muscles.
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And I prescribe that to people.
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Do a couple of squats throughout the day, you know, 10 or 12 squats, just deep squats before you know, before you have lunch or after, you know, after dinner, whatever.
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It's amazing what that can do for your body.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's in my morning routine.
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I do some qigong and then I always do a deep squat of trying to sit there for four or five minutes and kind of like do breathing and stuff.
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But yeah, I mean, it feels so good.
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It's such a natural posture that most of us don't actually get into much.
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Well, I study Chinese medicine.
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I have a fellowship in it from UM, University of Miami.
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And one of the things I've learned, and I'm very uh adherent to sort of a Chinese, I want to say, um, perspective.
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And I've seen this when I worked in New York City and Chinatown, I would I would actually was next door to Chinatown uh for part of my time there, and I would see how the Chinese would buy food, everything's super fresh.
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I would go to Hong Kong supermarket and I would find the freshest, freshest things, like the freshest, most unimaginable things, a squid or a some tripe or whatever.
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It's flowing off the shelf, you know, dripping blood or whatever.
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And you're like, this is how the Chinese eat.
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Everything's super fresh, their veggies, their meats, whatever.
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The men are squatting all the time.
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They're squatting, sitting, you know, on the sidewalk, whatever.
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They're moving up and down, and they're on their haunches, which is very fascinating.
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You don't see Caucasians do that.
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So there's something about the way that the Chinese sort of approach things.
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And I'm talking about real Chinese, I'm talking about you know, Americanized Chinese, you know, people.
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I'm talking about, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, cool.
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Yeah, I I I feel like, yeah, in anytime you go to like Southeast Asia, you see the see the same thing.
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You know, that's how people are eating, you know, they're they're you know, like their their plates are on the ground and they're that's how they're commune for eating and stuff.
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So yeah, that's a super uh interesting observation and and just I just I so disconnected sometimes and like you know, when we're in like say quote unquote the first world society is just through our food and processes and sitting and you know, it's just not how the body's it's not how our body wants to be run.
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No, the body body doesn't want things out of a bag or a box, by the way.
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Yeah, you know, anything in a bag or a box I kind of tell people to avoid.
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You know, you can't doesn't grow on a tree.
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That's uh that's that's for sure, right?
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Yeah, I mean, I just you know, it's so hard, you know, being a parent or just even keeping you know care of myself, but just you know, it's like we have I guess we don't have to, but we do buy processed food because it's quick, it's easy, but always you know, trying to make sure it's organic, make sure it's this.
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And then I just read this consumer reports study, you know, about phthalates in the Annie's cheddar bunnies, how it's the highest of like any of the snack crackers.
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And yet here we're like, oh, we're we're doing a good job.
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At least it's organic.
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And you know, it's like we know it's not the healthiest food, but you know, we kind of categorize things like, does it build health?
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Is it health neutral?
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Is it health negative?
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And we're like, well, at least it's health neutral, probably.
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But now we're like, oh man, there goes Annie's.
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You know, one thing you bring up there, so part of the American experience was to go west, so from east to west.
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They would obviously send railroad cars full of flour and sugar and containers, you know, wood barrels or boxes or whatever.
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That's sort of how America evolved with its food.
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So you looked at someplace like France, they didn't need to do that.
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They had things locally and they've been sort of, you know, sort of migratory tribal, you know, there for thousands of years, let's say.
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In America, you know, we came from Europe, we sort of migrated west, a lot of it was frontier, so they so to eat, they would not be able to grow necessarily their food.
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They would have to have it sort of pre-mixed, prepared, and that's the way they stored it.
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They refined it.
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So refined sugar, white, refined flour, white.
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I call it the white disease.
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White flour, white sugar, white rice.
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That's all designed to be packaged and shipped.
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And we've just maintained sort of that mentality.
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That's not the way to be now.
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You know, you want to source things, you know, locally, organically, grown, you know, close to home.
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Yeah, that that's the point.
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I've I've never heard that articulated like that, and it makes so much sense.
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And that was necessary for them, just like you know, pasteurized milk was like necessary back then because you didn't have great refrigerated methods.
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But it's exactly bonkers that you can't get raw milk in so many locales because of this old school you know thing.
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It's like, no, we we fixed the refrigeration problem.
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It's possible to get fresh raw milk now without the you know disadvantages of it maybe getting too warm or rotting or whatever like that.
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But but yeah, no reason for us to be in the old school system when we've have that technology to really provide ourselves with good things.
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Even just like before we hit record, you know, talk we were talking about you know, sourcing good quality meats, you know, and regenerative farming and like how those places that are really doing it, um, you know, it's just that's a possible thing now.
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So um hopefully, you know, that keeps on snowballing and gets accessible to everyone at at some point.
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I I think the thing is is we're turning to our communities now than I think ever before.
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You know, people want community and and they're rejecting sort of mass-marketed industrialized life.
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People want to live differently.
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And whether it be Bill Gates trying to force, you know, factory meat meat in our lives or whatever, bug protein, chitin, which is undigestible, by the way.
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You can't digest chitin, right?
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So it causes a huge inflammatory response.
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We're rejecting those things.
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We're gonna reject them.
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And you know why?
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Because we're gonna create a separate system, we're gonna opt out, right?
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We don't have to fight it, we don't have to create all kinds of uproar over it, we just opt out, you know, and and and those fail.
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And I think that's where we're at.
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People have said, you know, enough, right?
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And I think that's what you're saying.
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You know, you're gonna source things locally, you're gonna go to your butcher, you're gonna get the right meat, and you're gonna reject sort of the the the hyper that you see, you know, such and such, you know, is promoting uh, you know, a macaroni and cheese in a box.
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Like, forget it.
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We don't care.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You know, high protein macaroni and cheese.
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I see that all over now.
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I'm just like, come on.
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Right, right.
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There you go.
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Uh, one thing I I I want to mention to you, the listener, before we go any further, I'm not a doctor, even though I've got a nutrition degree and whatever, but nothing that me and Dr.
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Hall are talking about right now is medical advice.
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Dr.
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Hall is likely not your physician either.
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So just treat this episode as a great place for information and it's entertainment value.
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So it'll give you some ideas of what to do here.
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But please don't, you know, go start taking metformin or methylene blue or something without consulting your own physician and hopefully their precision doctor, uh medicine 3.0, whatever you want to call it, longevity doctor.
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If you don't have a doctor like that, go to spanner sp-n-n-r.com.
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That's a directory that I run and it's all vetted longevity practitioners and clinics and products in there.
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So if you're looking for a doctor, head over there.
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But anyway, just want to make that quick disclaimer first before we get any further into this because we got some good stuff coming up, and uh, and I just want to make sure that.
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You, the listener, um, isn't taking this advice without consulting someone who is knowledgeable.
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So likely that's your primary care physician or some of the things.
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So okay, with that said, let's keep it going here.
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So, Dr.
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Hall, I want to stay on the hype thing here for a minute because um, yeah, it's just such an interesting thing.
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Like, so many things get oversold given thing.
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I've I've seen a r of longevity supplements lately, and this is kind of like my personal bone to pick right now.
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And I saw this one, and you know, just like they're either underdosed, totally unproven, or the latest one that I saw has stimulants in it, right?
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Like it's a longevity thing and it's got stimulants.
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And I'm like, oh my gosh.
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It's like, because so many things in longevity, like rapamycin or even metformin, it's like you take these things and you don't really feel them, right?
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And so it's like, hey, is this working?
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Is or whatever?
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And I think what these companies are doing is putting stimulants in.
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So, oh, I feel great.
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Yeah, I'm living a long life.
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So I think it's such a joke.
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So one thing that you said in your book, you know, and and and this just want to get your take on this.
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Like, what's the tell that, you know, what are you seeing from the inside, right?
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You live in Florida, you called it the epicenter of America's pursuit of youth, right?
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Like, and it's kind of almost what we think about Florida in a stereotypical way, right?
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You know, like people there chasing youth, chasing sun.
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What does it look like down there at the ground level?
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You know, it's like like what do you see as as Miami being like one of the hotbeds for longevity culture and stuff?
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Like, what do you see there as far as like kind of that whole keeping young thing?
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Well, people, you know, I I like to describe so you have LA is fame, people chase fame there.
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New York is money, right?
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Miami sex.
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Yes, that's what people are coming here for, you know, or sex appeal or a sexier life.
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So so people are very conscious here because they want to look good.
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Yeah, they're in their bikini, they're in their shorts, they're in their uh aloe aware, you know, whatever their favorite bodysuit is to go to Pilates.
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And and that that is big, right?
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You know, you know, no, no shout out to, but I mean that that's what people are doing, right?
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So they're wearing it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Looking the part.
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Yeah, they're looking the part.
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And and part of that, um, that's fine, you know.
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I mean, people I think that's great.
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You know, walk out on the boardwalk on Miami Beach, and you see, especially during seasons, some very, very pretty people that are they're taking care of them, and that's wonderful.
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I think you also have a biohacking community here that's all about hype, and I see it too.
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And they have events and they'll do you know, mixers or whatever, and I'll be at the faina or the standard, and and it's five hundred dollars to be you know part of that little group, and and they're they're advocating whatever the latest whatever is hot and interesting, and and uh yeah, and it and it's it's it's bullshit, right?
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Um and so yeah, so I I look at you know, for instance, I'll give you a vitamin D.
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Vitamin D, the RDA reliance is around 400 IUs.
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If you come into my office and you've got a uh vitamin D level, vitamin say like 40, and it should be you know closer to 60, let's say.
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If you're taking 400, you're not moving the needle at all.
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In addition to that, if you think you're going out in the sun and you go, for instance, to one of the beach clubs and you're there and all day and you're in the sun, then you go back into your hotel and you rinse off.
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Well, you're losing your natural conversion because that happens in the exterior of the skin in the fat in the lipid layer.
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That's where it's converted, where the UV rays hit those that top layer of skin where the fat is, that's how that that you know basically becomes calciferol for the body, which is it's a lipid base.
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Not to get in the weeds too much, but the point is most people need around 2,000 to 4,000 IUs a day to bring up the levels.
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So, you know, that's that's one aspect.
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You're you're about underdosing or not the right dose, you know, that that's a big concern because is the right dose?
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Well, you know, that's hard to know, but but you have to talk to the patient, talk to someone and kind of get an idea of what's going on and what their levels are.
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You can't just go out and buy it off the shelf and just take, you know, 10,000 I use a day and think you're you're gonna fix it.
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The issue is that you talked about stimulants and that you know, putting stimulants into things, but I even see modapinil being prescribed on Instagram as sort of like a health elixir.
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I, you know, there's just too much.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're a fighter pilot, you're on medaphinil, I need it.
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Give it to me.
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But the the the idea of taking um, you know, whatever whatever product you're taking, you know, on a consistent basis, you want to know where, like I told told the audience and you before, you want to know where you're sourcing this from, you want to know what you're getting.
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If this is an authentic nutraceutical company, they have actual documentation of what they're making, if you request it.
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This is super important.
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And you want to be able to be consistent with it, right?
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You just can't take something for a month and think that's gonna move the needle, it's gonna do something for you.
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You know, even if you took something, they have these nootropics that you take in their gummies, and you buy them on Amazon, and oh my goodness, it's got lion's mane in it, and I'm gonna get smarter, and I'm you know, it doesn't that it doesn't make sense, right?
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.039
Yeah, yeah, not at all.
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And it's a good thing you say that too.
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It's like it it's like protocols like to be on those a long time.
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And then you also have to get your blood values, you know, like for instance, not too long ago, I was overdoing it on zinc by accident.
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I was taking an A-red supplement that I don't think had 40 milligrams of zinc.
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I was taking that on top of my 30 milligrams I kind of take in my daily stack.
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And then I was like, whoa, like, and then I realized the copper was, you know, depleting because you know, obviously those are in there.
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And so I had to go test, confirmed copper's low.
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And it's like, okay, now I have like, you know, a six-month protocol of taking copper blyglycinate to slowly ramp those levels back up, you know, and then obviously cut out the zinc too.
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But you know, it's like, yeah, it just takes a long time to keep your body in that harmonious balance of the things you're taking and and to take them consistently, the right doses, right?
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.359
Like 400 IU is such a joke for vitamin D, right?
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Like, um or you think you would get it from a glass of milk, you know.
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Yeah, and the other thing that's interesting that you know I've been reading about too, and I'd like to hear your take on it.
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Even if you live in a sunny area, like we live here in Arizona and Texas, both both places, both are very sunny.
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And the pollution, though, is is a layer that I've about like you're not actually sometimes when you get in the sun, you're not actually getting the vitamin D that you think you might be getting by doing sun exposure because there is so much pollution in the air and stuff, and so you don't actually get that.
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So that I've I've heard that.
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I don't know if it's true or not, but it certainly makes sense.
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I don't know if you've heard that or what the you know, I don't I don't have that data in front of me.
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And I I I have heard there's no, for instance, I'll give you an example.
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As a pilot, the clouds that we have, you know, of course we see them, those are actually protecting us from extreme UV radiation.
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They're a filter.
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Okay.
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So when you're in an environment that doesn't have clouds, say for instance you're in a more, you know, deserty environment like Tucson or or whatnot, you could get more extreme UV radiation, so there's more propensity towards skin damage, skin cancer, you know, basically disorganized collagen.
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:43.279
So there's for sure there there's different and of course it makes sense if you've got a large layer of pollution, you know, hovering over Austin, you're you're gonna get less, you know, sunlight.
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All right, it acts as a barrier.
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My my thing is, you know, when I tell patients, think of the body as an aircraft carrier sort of being moved.
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There's a lot of moving parts.
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You have vitamins, minerals, you know, the supplements that you can take, you have trace elements and all of these things.
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That's fine.
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You have the nutrients that you're eating, you know, you're you're getting your things from the earth as well.
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But you need to get screened to get a baseline, and then in doing so, you have to understand it too, it could take months, if not years, to change the the biochemistry of your body.
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And you know, doing the simplest things, for instance, eating eating a healthy, raw diet, you know, drinking high quality water, which is super important.
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You know, we're 80% water.
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Keeping our you know, kidneys filtered, keeping our blood uh you know, richly uh volunated with with fluids, that's all super for these these vitamins, minerals, and supplements get into our cells.
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Our intracellular water, extracellular water is sort of the the milieu that these within, right?
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So then you have your gut health.
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If you're if your gut into the it's called the GI maps, eat people that have you know gut dysbiosis.
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If you're not absorbing nutrients, then all the vitamins you're taking are not even not even moving the ball, you know, they're not being absorbed properly.
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So there's different you know levels of kind of like taking the onion back and saying, okay, where do I start?
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You know, and and oftentimes we will in a patient come in and we will do certain tests, we'll do blood tests, you know, stool kit, look at their um, you know, hormones, we'll look at their toxins, heavy metals, whatever, and we create a kind of a constellation of of how they are, you know, a kind of a, if you will, uh an avatar.
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:34.559
Then the goal is to take that avatar and then forecast out what's the best version or optimized version of you by doing certain things.
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And getting back into the book, and I talk about the Ten Commandments of longevity, it's not always taking the latest supplement or or hyped up product.
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It's it's really about doing specific things so you enable your body to regenerate, reformat, and and become healthier based on what I just explained.
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You may not know that you have pseudomonas in your gut creating a biofilm, you're not absorbing certain nutrients, and you won't.
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You won't know that.
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People never know that, right?
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But now we have the technology that we can, and we then can do something about it.
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So it's a it's a yeah.
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Again, that's just like illustrating the fact of like getting to a good precision medicine practitioner there that can test all these things because your normal PCP that you're gonna find in like best doctors, you know, Miami is probably not they might be great doctors in their own right, but it's really these docs and clinics out there that are testing for things like that.
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Like what what does your gut look like?
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What does your microbiome look like?
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I mean, there's the all these things are so, like you said, so important to like actually absorbing the nutritious food that you're eating, you know, and and the vitamins and like the full benefit from it is like, yeah, half the battle is you know, bit, you know, there's like fat-soluble vitamins, you know.
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If you're taking vitamins that are fat-soluble without fat, well, you're not gonna absorb them, right?
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:10.720
So it's like, you know, it's like I said, you know, it's so complex and it's not just, oh, I'm gonna go to a bi hacking conference in Miami and I'm gonna figure it out.
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It doesn't work for me.
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You know, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm gonna put something off of Instagram because you know, a celebrity's promoting and it's gonna make me younger.
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That that just that's just a more methodical approach.
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Even before I start to even put together a stack, because I I customize the stack.
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And I'm doing something where I actually make they're called med packs, and that they're actually AM daily, p.m.
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and night tear-offs.
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So you actually know when to take them.
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And in doing so, then you have all these bottles and pills everywhere, and you're kind of like, okay, I just forgot what I'm taking.
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It's already programmed, it's in your hand, it's ready to go.
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And then we, you know, we kind of develop a technology called wellscore to follow all that, and like I say, create this avatar of you now and the best version of you, stochastically financial, modeling you sort of out in the future, and seeing, okay, what do we need to do to change some of these things that you're taking, or or be more precise with the dosing or timing or whatever, so that you're doing this, and it is an efficient, it's more efficient, more cost-effective than just buying off the shelf whatever or wherever you're buying it and not knowing.
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And I think once you do that, the first step is to do a base understanding, sort of like look under the hood.
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We were talking about cars earlier.
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You look under the hood, you take kind of okay, and people spend more on their cars sometimes than they do on themselves.
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Oh, yeah.
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I'm sure they do.
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Yeah.
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I mean, but then you're like, okay, so let me look under the hood.
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Let's do some of these things.
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Okay.
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It doesn't mean you have to do that each year.
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It doesn't mean you have to do it, you know, every five years.
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Once you know and you start to feel the difference, then you're going to maintain that.
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And then there's things you can do in the the uh interim good health.
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Um, and I big I'm a big believer of detoxes.
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:58.719
Uh there's simple things you can do clean out your liver and gallbladder of stones.
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:05.760
Very simple things that are very effective that are almost, you know, they're just not talked about in in mainstream medicine.
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:06.719
And I I believe in them.
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:07.840
I've done them myself.
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.920
I I absolutely think they're effective.
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.960
Anything to keep the train moving, let's do it.
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:13.519
You know?
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:14.320
Yeah.
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.880
Nothing, nothing left untouched.
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:17.920
Yeah, 100%.
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:23.760
Just came off of a 10-month cleanse from Cellcore, and it was uh it was pretty again.
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:38.400
I I have a great dentist, Tucson, biological dentist, and she was, you know, just poking around my mouth, making sure my mouth microbiome was correct, and you know, linking that to like the blood tests and heavy metal testing.
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:49.760
And I was pretty high in some heavy metals, and we took the cell core for 12 months and with the sauna protocol, and um, you know, and and I just got tested again, and all my levels have gone down.
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:54.320
So, yeah, I mean, 100% those detox things work.
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.599
Um, again, probably exactly what you're saying.
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:01.840
It's like just taking some little supplement for a couple weeks probably isn't gonna work.
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:14.880
It's the pretty um in-depth it it takes, but it's for well a lot of a lot of what we're about in the book, and and I think you know, I try to impress upon the reader that so much of it is just behavioral changes that you can do for free.
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:20.480
I mean, yeah, there's f free advice basically to live longer.
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:29.679
And so many, you know, things that we do throughout the day, we just we're not, you know, we're not volitionally, intentionally thinking, am I doing the best for my health?
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:38.159
Just by just little, you know, kind of insensible things like walking, getting up and moving around instead of sitting in a chair all day, you know, and all that kind of stuff.
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.440
Movement is super important and that that that consumes those calories on your tummy.
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.159
You know, that's you know, more movement the better.
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:47.280
And we're designed for that.
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.199
We're not designed to be in a chair.
00:36:49.360 --> 00:37:00.480
You know, we're not when I when I go to I see, you know, the native inhabitants, the Africans moving around all day and they're doing their thing, they're not sitting in a chair, you know, they're pursuing, you know, food.
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.920
And I'm talking about you know, the real, real uh native uh, you know, Africans that you see hunting.
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.280
It's amazing what you can learn.
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:08.639
And I've seen that in Sri Lanka.
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:14.880
I've seen native you know, Veda people, you know, the the how they fish and their all day and what they're eating.
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.119
And so much of it is very basic.
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.400
It's not that you need a super complex meal or super complex life.
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:31.360
It's just you know, doing things consistently and maintaining that that sort of, you know, like I said, volitional, intentional desire to stay healthy uh and doing so.
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:36.000
Yeah, and and I think the other thing can be touched on there, they're also happy.
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:37.440
Their mental health is better too.
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:48.719
So it's not just your physical body and like that, like the mental health is also a big part of that, just moving, you know, just like keeping that brain flow, uh that blood flow into your brain and all that.
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:54.800
So um one thing I want to talk about, because this is I think this is so interesting.
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.800
So you treat some crazy famous people, right?
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:03.280
Like Drake, Ryan Seacrest, professional athletes.
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:09.119
Those are people that can have access to most anyone they want on earth for a doctor, right?
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:21.760
So when you have a patient that has, you know, technically unlimited budgets, what does it make it harder or does it make it easier to say no to like some of these shiny things, right?
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:26.000
You know, if you have access, like, well, let's just throw a bunch of things at the fire and see what sticks.
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.880
Like, how do you deal with that with someone that's coming in with that?
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:38.880
Like, I mean, obviously, well, I'll let you answer that, but sure well, every everyone I've treated, you know, obviously I I try to treat everyone the same, right?
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:48.800
And and what I've noticed, it doesn't matter how wealthy or how famous the person is, everyone has to put their pants on, you know, one leg at a time.
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:49.679
Okay.
00:38:49.920 --> 00:39:06.159
So I can tell you this, I know from some of my I would say outside information, some of the super wealthy people in the world grow their own food and Northern California have it flown into their home or their yacht or wherever they're at, and that's what they eat.
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:16.079
So people will they're going out of their have their own nutrients sourced, you know, from a particular farm which they own, and and that that's what they're eating.
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:30.159
Um but yeah, when you get into to you know very wealthy, famous people, and I I've treated a lot of different people in that world, uh I try to to educate them and and and most of the time really aware of some of these things I'm talking about right now.
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:36.960
You know, they've been to you know many different doctors, they've got a doctor in every every major city, could be a doctor or whatnot.
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:45.440
And and it, you know, they're they're whatever they're doing, but it's sort of like how do you program yourself to live in the most optimized way?
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:54.960
And I don't I don't know sometimes if if you know based on their lifestyle, they can even do that because they're under enormous stress, enormous pressure.
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.079
You know, they're they're trying, you know, they're eat they're in a five-star hotel.
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.239
That that hotel doesn't necessarily have the food.
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:06.400
You know, they they're they're in a different element, different air, could be wherever you know they're going.
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:07.519
It's stressful.
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.840
And stress creates oxidative stress, and that causes aging.
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:17.679
So really, you know, I wouldn't say being famous provides the best lifestyle.
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:28.559
Now, as far as having access to things, of course, you know, they have access to everything, you know, whether they they use it or not, you know, it's kind of um sometimes I think longevity fatigue sets in for some of these folks.
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:38.079
You know, they get access to the best gym, the best, you know, H bot system, they're getting, you know, uh IEVs from whatever person they're getting them from.
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.480
And eventually it's like, okay, I've had enough.
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:40.960
Right?
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:42.320
I've done all this.
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:48.480
I just, you know, I'm I'm tired of being stuck with with a needle uh or going in in a hyperbaric chamber.
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:55.119
I'm just, you know, I'm not gonna and then they re you know, and then they're doing other things like you know, whatever it is that they're doing to escape.
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:57.119
And that's often you know one of those things too.
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.199
A lot of a lot of folks uh all of that stress.
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:08.559
And uh I believe you know you you don't you really don't know until you have it explained to you.
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:35.119
And that's one thing I talk about in the book, is sort of like understanding sort of what's you and you you know there there's there's a rhythm, there's a protocol for your you know health optimization that that sort of you know for yourself, you know, whether you like to get your morning person, you get up and you get out of bed and you go walk, or you're more, you know, late-night person, or whatever it is, you know, you're you maybe you're you know, freaking you're in a studio recording, you know, the the latest song.
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:36.639
Well, then what are you doing afterwards?
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.239
You know, I mean it's sort of like are you how do you decompress?
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.519
A lot of famous people go on stage and they have this adrenaline rush, endorphin rush, and they can't sleep.
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:47.760
You know, they're moving around on tour.
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.119
Their sleep pattern is completely fragmented.
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.800
So poor sleep sleep hygiene, poor sleep, you're aging.
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.360
You're not, you're not, you know, that's not a state to be in.
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:10.239
So point is that all of these things, these sort of lifestyle indicators, if you will, need to be maximized, optimized, and in a kind of their own place, and you have to know what's best for yourself.
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:18.880
But if you're educated and you know, okay, sleep, sleep hygiene, having the bed a certain way, temperature, this, light, blah, blah, blah.
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.679
You know, then you're like, okay, I'm gonna do that wherever I'm at.
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.159
I'm gonna make those choices for myself.
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.559
Uh, and it doesn't matter, you know, you can be very, very wealthy or not.
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:34.800
And you just can make the right choices for yourself and get the best sort of health optimization that you can.
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.039
Uh, it doesn't it doesn't always come down to Yeah.
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:38.159
Yeah, I mean, true, right?
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:45.920
Like and I mean, just like you touched on, like the fatigue of longevity is like, you know, I get fatigued with my whoofstrap.
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.480
I'm like, okay, I know I'm done with the snake smart.
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:48.880
Come on.
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.840
Like, you know, I was, you know, it's you bring up an interesting point.
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:59.199
I was listening to a podcast with the Aura Ring uh CEO, and they're doing all this, you know, data mining and they can get blood pressure now.
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:00.960
And somebody asked, like, well, what do you do with it?
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:02.079
And I'm like, well, we don't know.
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.320
So we're like, you know, we don't we're not sure yet.
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.599
Like, what, you know, we're gathering all this information, right?
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:13.199
And it's like, okay, then then how is this feedback loop created making people healthier?
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:23.039
And I think what what happens is you can be a, you know, have all these APIs set up and your your smartphone and you've got your uh you know, your ring, your this, your that.
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.920
You know, how is that creating anxiety?
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.159
You know, you didn't get your steps in.
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.480
And I see that with people, I didn't get my steps in.
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.400
Oh no, you know, I I I'm bad.
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:33.599
No, you're not bad.
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.880
You know, I mean, sometimes you just need a day off, right?
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:38.320
You need to take a day off.
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.239
And actually, you do need a day off.
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:42.000
You can't work out every day.
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:47.760
Your body needs to take time to regenerate, you know, restore itself, replenish.
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:49.119
And it's another thing.
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:55.519
You know, you don't need to be on all the time and be on this kind of longevity um treadmill.
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.559
You know, I didn't make my Pilates class, I didn't go to yoga.
00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:59.760
Oh no, what do I do?
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.159
You know, in your head, you're just kind of spinning this around.
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:03.440
You didn't go cycling today.
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:04.559
What what now how do you feel?
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:05.760
Well, I don't feel as good.
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:07.840
You know, well, you know, maybe you didn't need to cycle.
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.239
Take a walk, do something else.
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:10.960
Yeah.
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:12.480
Yeah, it's funny you say that.
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.000
I I have I've got a really good friend and he just opts out of all of it.
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.599
I mean, he's a healthy guy, but it's just the numbers stress him out.
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.000
He's just like, no, I can't live by a spreadsheet.
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.920
But then I get obsessed, and then I know that's not best for my mental health.
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:27.679
So I'm just gonna opt out.
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:37.119
I'll take care of myself with, you know, making sure to go to bed and you know, like do all the things, but he doesn't need the score to verify that you know he's doing it right.
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:45.840
You know, that's a it's a very Victorian, so it goes back to Queen Victoria when they they start measuring everything, head circumferences, it's from A to Z.
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:53.360
You know, it's all kind of very, I want to say born in our sort of this Anglo-European sort of mindset.
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:58.880
We have to measure everything and and quantify it and know exactly, look at our bank accounts and make sure everything's perfect.
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:11.199
You know, it's and people spend a lot of time looking at their bank accounts, you know, they look at their fidelity sort of dashboard, but they you know, they don't they don't know what's going on themselves because they just had a Shake Shack burger and they're sitting on front of a computer, right?
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:12.320
Yep, right.
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:14.719
Which I did yesterday, by the way.
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:15.519
I did that yesterday.
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.880
I went to Shake Shack because there's nothing on Lincoln Road, by the way.
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.079
Just so if anybody's out there, it's owner of an office space.
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:23.599
There needs to be more variety.
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.559
So if I I leave my office, I can't don't know where to go.
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:30.960
I have to go to Trader Joe's or Fresh Market to buy food and cook it, or I go to Shake Shack.
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:31.920
Yeah.
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.639
Well, I mean, I I I I I yeah, I like guilty pleasures.
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:37.679
You kind of have those once in a while.
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.119
And of course the poison is in the dose, right?
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:46.960
Like, I mean, you could not that I'm advocating this, but yeah, you probably even have a cigarette once in a while and just be fine.
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.880
That's not gonna probably affect your long-term.
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:50.880
It's not gonna it's not gonna affect you.
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:52.000
No, it's not.
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.840
And I and I tell people that, you know, you don't have to be a purist.
00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:00.960
You know, if you want to have, you know, you want to go out and have a bottle of wine with with a nice meal, why not?
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.559
You know, not that I, you know, say that that's the best approach.
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.199
You're celebrating a birthday, you want to have a piece of cake.
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:07.519
Okay.
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.599
You know, don't don't get over it.
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:20.000
I mean, I I will tell people oftentimes, I have a friend that used to do this that used to, his family was in the restaurant business, and they would, he would eat half of what he was going to eat, no matter how good it was.
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:21.280
He would only eat half.
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:23.199
He'd cut it in half.
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:24.880
And his name's Jordan.
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:33.280
Jordan would, you know, he they owned um Wade's Cafe Indian, and Kansas City's known for certain Winstead's burger and Gates Barbecue.
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:33.679
Well, anyway.
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.039
Oh, yeah, barbecue for sure.
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:35.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:35.920
Well, yeah.
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.880
Well, you know, when you cut things in half, you can have half.
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:40.639
And you're not overdoing it, right?
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.559
You can have half a piece of birthday cake or half a donut if you want.
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:48.480
Um, you know, when it comes to smoking, you know, if you want to have a cigar, okay.
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:50.480
Maybe a cigarette, you know, whatever.
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.000
I mean, I'm not, I'm not, like I say, a judgmental guy.
00:46:54.159 --> 00:47:03.840
What I tell people is if there's some utility to it, now people will do things reflexively because they're in stress, and that's called fear-based eating, fear-based living.
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:12.079
And they're in stress and they reflectively will go to something because that's what drives their stress sort of into a safe place.
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.000
It still creates the stress, it feeds it, but they feel like they're managing it, right?
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:24.880
So they'll have the cigarette or the or the cocktail or the the the burger or the barbecue, and and almost like a reward for whatever going through.
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.000
And that that's sort of counterintuitive because it's it's hurting them.
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.360
You know, it's creating we you always hear that, like, I forget what it is.
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:42.079
My wife always jokes about it, but it's like there's something about like the mom's wink or something where basically is like, oh, I've had a stressful day, let's do a drink, where it's like that might not be the best.
00:47:42.320 --> 00:48:17.199
But like you said, the reward a lot of times, if you are sitting down with friends and celebrating life and drinking a bottle of wine, that's exponentially better for you because you got, you know, you're you're you're resetting another part of your body, your mental health and you know, community and the stuff that you know that gets not mentioned as much in the longevity circles, I feel, just because, you know, like I was saying earlier, there's no money in community necessarily, so you don't hear any influencer talking about it because they're too busy promoting their bite vitamins or you know, what whatever thing is coming up.
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.360
So yeah, so that's a thing.
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:20.320
So, Dr.
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.480
Hall, I want to talk to something kind of about your start here, because I thought this was really cool.
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.800
And it actually made me think like, oh, Dr.
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:28.159
Hall's a really good guy.
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:38.000
Because, you know, you're a senior ophthalmology resident in New York, and you walked away after your you you spoke up about a child that was denied there.
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:40.880
And I I was like, well, that's that that's a cool thing.
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:47.519
You know, it's like I hearing doctors fighting about, you know, like the system, whatever that situation was.
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.480
What what what happened and what did it cost you?
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:55.360
And then and and and I guess that probably set of events that leads you to where you are now.
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.639
But I'd love to hear that kind of arc, that story arc there where you're okay, I'm out of here.
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:01.280
You know.
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:06.079
Well, you know, I I I I was I didn't leave, I was fired.
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:07.280
I was terminated.
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:07.679
Yeah.
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.840
And that was after I was fired initially.
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.000
Then they brought me back to fire me properly.
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:13.840
And that was two months of hell.
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:18.960
Which they say that things that don't kill you make you stronger, which is which is true.
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:27.119
So I was witness during a senior ophthalmology resident at the New York Hospital, which is part of Cornell University's training facility.
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.159
It's it's part, you know, it's on 70th in York.
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:38.559
During a time I had a black Senegalese African cab driver come in with a ruptured globe.
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.440
Basically got punched in the eye and it split open and he was in severe pain.
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.840
We needed to immediately take him to surgery and sew up the eye, fix the eye, which we could have easily.
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:55.280
None of the doctors, when they found out he was black and he was, you know, basically poor, wanted to come in, including the attending on call.
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:59.519
So I I I called and called, I called everybody, I raised a stink.
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:00.639
Finally at 2 a.m.
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:02.000
we got him into the OR.
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:04.480
I had to cut his retina out of his eyelashes.
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:09.519
His interior, he squirted out into the exterior of his face.
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:12.960
So it changed my perspective where I was and what I was doing.
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.760
So I wrote a memo to my chairman, D.
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:16.960
Jackson Coleman.
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:18.079
So if you're listening, D.
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.360
Jackson, you're hearing this a second or third time.
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:29.760
He was the chairman of the ophthalmology department, and he's a retina fellow trained guru.
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.559
And he he said, Oh, wow, okay.
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:34.159
That's not good that you did that.
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:35.280
He wrote a memo.
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We don't do that here.
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:45.440
So two weeks later, I had a little boy from Brookdale, similar accident to the eye, fell against a corner of a cabinet in his kitchen, ruptured globe.
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:46.239
They called us.
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:47.119
I'm on call.
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.000
Please send him.
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:49.679
Yes, of course, we can take care of him.
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.199
None of the doctors wanted to come in when they found out he was black and poor.
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.599
So then I went to my chairman the next day and I said, Dr.
00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:59.440
Coleman, what's going on?
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.119
How is this happening?
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.119
We're we're we're we're we're failing.
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:05.199
He said, Michael, it's obviously you're not.
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:14.880
I had just come back from Warfield's eye hospital for a fellowship interview to do oculoplastic surgery, which I had received an entry letter for.
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.199
Okay, so I was not like some schmo.
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:24.159
I was senior ophthalmology resident in a place that's the highest esteemed place probably in the country.
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:29.840
So then they came at me with a viciousness I've never seen before because it was so nicely.
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:36.639
Gentleman by the name of Kip Dolphin, the program director, handed me a letter one day when I was in clinic, and I opened it up and said, as per Dr.
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.719
Coleman's discussion, you have been fired.
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:39.920
You're terminated.
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:41.039
So I left.
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.480
I left, went home, I contacted an attorney.
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:48.079
That attorney contacted the hospital's attorney, York hospital's attorney.
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:49.519
They said, Oh, wow, that was a mistake.
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:49.760
Dr.
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:51.679
Hall's to come back immediately.
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.199
He's returned to his duties immediately, which I did.
00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:01.840
And for two months, I was attacked, literally, by my colleagues and the staff.
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:03.119
And I withstood it.
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:06.239
They finally put me in front of a firing squad and fired me.
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.559
And I went to the state of New York and won.
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:15.360
Then I went to the feds, and the feds sat on the case because I had a dirty judge, George Daniels, which is still sitting in the U.S.
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:24.559
Southern District, and he sat on my case, and we had to file a Rita Mandemis to sue him, to sue this judge to force his hand, which he threw out the case.
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.000
He wouldn't let me in court.
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:30.639
And I had a section 1981 Mtala claim that should have been heard.
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.400
So it's interesting how things come back after 30 years, right?
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.760
Because now I'm talking about it, and these people are still alive.
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.320
And if this gets into their ear, good.
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:45.280
But the point is, I stood the ground, I did the thing, and it's who I am.
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.039
I ended up going to NYU.
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:53.679
I completed a MPA in healthcare management and law, attended law school there for a semester.
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:54.719
I got a B.
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.920
The instructor said, if you want to be a lawyer, I'll get you into law school here.
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:01.760
I said, No, I want to be a doctor.
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:07.199
I finished my degree, really, which was in total quality management and healthcare systems.
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.920
I went back to Kansas City, where I'm from.
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:11.760
I ended up telling my dean this.
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:12.719
He said, What do you want to do?
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:14.000
I said, I want to do everything.
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.480
He goes, Become a family doctor, become a GP.
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:17.199
And I did.
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:21.760
I delivered babies, I did circumcision, I did everything, right?
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.000
So I finished that, got board certified, moved to New Zealand to study their healthcare system.
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.639
And I brought that back to America, right?
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.320
And that's what I do here in Miami.
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:42.000
Basically, I have a general medicine practice based on a Kiwi sort of delivery system that focuses on proactive medicine, integrated functional medicine, and you call it longevity.
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:43.199
That's what I do.
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.320
And in doing that, you're right.
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.000
You know, the man is made by the challenges in life.
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:54.559
And I feel like, you know, I took the high road, but I can tell you this, I told those what had happened to them.
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.239
They sued the hospital and won.
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.000
So they got some restitution.
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.280
But if I had it differently, and if somebody said, What would you have done differently?
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.719
I would have got a cab and put them in and took it, taken them to Bellevue myself.
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:11.440
That was where I look back and I say, you know what, where I made a mistake, I should have taken them out of the hospital with my hand and put them in a cab and take them to Bellevue.
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:12.239
And I couldn't.
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.039
I probably would have gone to jail if I'd done that, but that's what I would have done.
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:15.440
Yeah.
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.679
Well, hindsight's 2020, right?
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.320
Well, you know, you know, karma's a bitch, right?
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:21.440
Karma's a bitch.
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:22.079
That's true.
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:26.159
So I don't know, I don't know what what's going to come of it, but like I scot my day.
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.199
Yeah, that's probably ultimately frustrating, right?
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.840
Is like, oh, it's just I can't take that.
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:38.960
But but again, I I feel, well, like you said, like you know, that childfire, the thing that makes you stronger.
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.679
Like you're in the place you are today, likely.
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.480
That the butterfly effect of all of that.
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:57.119
You know, your your time in New Zealand and Sri Lanka and Haiti, uh, like you've been in like diverse price places around the world learning, you know, about health that a residency couldn't.
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:23.760
Um, no, you know what, what what Brent, I'll tell you what, what and I'm a big believer in our mission is to be a Pied Piper and bring people to health a different way and to empower people to live differently, and outside of this disease care system and a real health care system with community and impassioned uh living that is compassionate and is designed to keep people in a place of joy.
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:25.440
Really, that's really what we're about.
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:27.679
We're as humans, we interact with one another.
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:28.639
We all serve one another.
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:35.119
Whether you're a fireman, a policeman, a doctor, a lawyer, whatever, we're always interacting with each other.
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.440
We're trying to work within a system.
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.280
The system we have is broken.
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:41.599
It's completely broken, it's inefficient.
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:45.360
We have nine different healthcare systems, and none of them speak to one another, right?
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:50.719
You have the VA, the prison system, Indian Health System, Medicare, Medicaid, whatever you want to name.
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:52.880
They all are broken.
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:54.000
They're failing us.
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.559
And there are tens of dollars being spent.
00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:05.920
So I think we can create a better system inside the system, and people can opt out and put their energy and resources in into other places.
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:07.599
Well, let's well, let's talk about that.
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:15.840
I mean, because that I don't know uh if I want to say like the most useful part of the book, but like I I think one of the big huge things in your book is the aging funnel, right?
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:21.280
You're you know, you're talking about you know, the this is something that's accessible to everyone, right?
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:33.760
So give me the synopsis of this aging or or what what would you give to someone, say, if it was a 47-year-old sitting in your office for the first time?
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:34.719
Sure.
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:55.840
Well, the funnel is a conceptualization model that I created that is unique only because when you think of what goes into a funnel as sort of the dynamic, the the youthfulness of our life is sort of the the upper portion of that funnel and that sort of wide aperture.
00:56:56.079 --> 00:57:07.039
So the things you put into that funnel, for instance, you're you know, we talk about lifestyle behaviors, you know, good sleep, good food, movement, that keeps the funnel open longer, wider.
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.280
As we start to age and we start to not do those things, the the funnel becomes more narrow, right?
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:21.760
And as that mathematical model indicates, and it's it's a unique system of math in the sense that there's sort of a stochastical to it.
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:27.920
But the point is these variables sort to sort of you know compete with one another.
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:33.679
As the more negative variables sort of expand, the funnel becomes more narrow.
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:37.760
Aging happens when the the funnel is narrow and that's where entropy occurs.
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.079
And that's sort of a thermodynamic occurrence.
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.960
But the point is oxidative stress is aging.
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:49.519
When you're narrowing the funnel, you're creating sort of that pain point of where aging occurs.
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:55.039
So the more you keep the funnel open longer, okay, the more health span you have.
00:57:55.199 --> 00:58:00.559
And then at the bottom of the funnel, you can think of different elements of oxidative stress.
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:07.199
And you talk about mitochondrial fatigue, ATP depletion, um, pre-radical formation.
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:11.519
So those things are occurring at that more narrowing portion right at the bottom.
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:21.679
So, I mean, it just helps people understand wow, if I put things in the funnel that are going to keep the funnel open longer and more maintained, I'm living better, right?
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:23.760
So that's one way to conceptualize it.
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:29.199
But it's a very interesting way of segueing sort of ideas and looking at certain treatments.
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:32.960
Because if you put peptides, say at the base of the funnel, it's not going to do anything.
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:40.400
Or nutraceuticals because you've already narrowed it because you're not doing the core elements, which are the basis of why the funnel's open in the first place.
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:41.119
Right?
00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:42.960
So part of that is indoor organ reserve.
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:45.599
When we're born, we have a tremendous amount of in-organ reserve.
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:57.840
Our kidney function, our liver function, our pancreatic function can take a hit and still have a, I would say, resilience to it that won't impair the functionality.
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:02.480
As we get older, we lose that indoor organ function, that in-organ reserve.
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:11.199
So if we're eating so much sugar and carbohydrates and we're heavy, our pancreatic insulin production by the beta cells is depleted, and there you go, right?
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:15.360
Either in-organ reserve or your pancreatic system is depleted, and you have diabetes.
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:16.559
So think of it that way.
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:25.039
So then you're maintaining this longer, you know, instilled effect of the body, which is natural when you're what you're born with.
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:35.280
You're maintaining that because you're keeping uh your yourself healthy, restorative sleep, active, you know, daily movement, whatever you know we want to talk about.
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:39.039
And that then is you know how you you maintain good health.
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:39.760
It's that simple.
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:45.440
So you talked about something that I wanted to ask you about, which you just touched on there was organ reserve, right?
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:49.440
And it and it's a buffer, and then fine until it's gone, right?
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:54.559
So how do we know where we stand in that reserve?
00:59:54.719 --> 01:00:03.920
Is there something, you know, like the proverbial, like, you know, before your engine dies, like it starts to smoke or you know, whatever, and you're like, okay, I gotta get my you know, car into the shop here.
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:17.920
But are there signs that that show us, say, you know, our liver or kidneys, whatever, like what shows that, you know, our funnel is narrowing before a diagnosis shows up for diabetes, say?
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:21.679
Well, there is, and I'll tell you, I'm I've created what's called well score.
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:34.960
Well score is a dashboard or health horizon, and it takes, for instance, your hemoglobin A1C and your cratin clearance, it looks at all that, and it does give you sort of a, I want to say a dash indicator that you may have a problem.
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:41.920
So I've got this system that creates avatar of you, and there's an overlay of different uh levels of body habit.
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:51.519
It could be your nervous system, digestive system, mesculoskeletal system, and it illuminates that in different colorizations, so you would know immediately, okay, I have got a problem, right?
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:58.480
May not just be your hemoglobin A1C is elevated, right, slightly, or your DHA sulfate level is low.
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:04.880
Those things in tandem could very well indicate that you've something really going on with your hormonal system that needs to be addressed.
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:12.000
So 100%, I think this is something that can be very well understood by a patient and then acted upon.
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:16.400
And well score is the little baby that I've tried to create as a tool in my office.
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:23.360
And I've been working on that for 12 years, and that's been quite a little chore, but but the idea, what I explain it like this.
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:27.760
So when Garmin, Garmin Aviation, Journal Aviation, create a black box, right?
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:35.840
You put that in your plane, Cessna, your diamond, or whatever, and you've got your weather, your communication, your navigation, your traffic, and you can see what's going on around you.
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:37.440
You have situational awareness.
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:38.800
We need that in health.
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:44.800
You need situational awareness to know what is really happening inside you and where do you need to address certain things.
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:47.119
So you're asking about in-organ reserve.
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.280
We would be able to see that with this device.
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.280
So you can feed in your API, Fitbit, Apple Watch, or whatever.
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:55.440
You can stand on your smart scale.
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:03.280
That's going to give you your vitals and your daily dash, but then you've got a deeper dive, which is the algorithm that gives you a FICO score of your health.
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:07.039
And then I have a Monte Carlo model that shows you how healthy you are and where you're going.
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:14.719
It's a very complex system, and it's based on, you know, this ecosystem of health, which I've created over time, based on what I think people need.
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.400
And aviation, and I'll go back to total quality management.
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:19.840
I'm a TQM guy.
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:20.800
I'm a SWAT guy.
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.000
You know, SWAT meaning strength, weaknesses, opportunity, threat.
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:29.440
This circular sort of pattern of understanding and improvement needs to be built into the system.
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:38.719
It can't be built into our broken system because it's it's uh unfortunately, I think it's it's so failed that I don't even know if it can be brought back to life.
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:39.920
It's like a zombie.
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:41.840
I think it's dead, right?
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:48.239
But I think this new healthcare system we're building, and I think if Elon's listening to this, you know, I'd love to have his opinion.
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:57.119
But I think we can build a healthcare system based on this TQM model that then can shift the way that people actually maintain their own health.
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:07.519
And like you said, can they have a heads-up display of what's really happening and change it or have a sort of actionable intervention to maintain their in-organ reserve longer?
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:08.639
I believe yes.
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:33.440
And I believe that as technology and and it's evolves, we're gonna live longer because of different tools that are being designed, you know, whether it be you know mesenchymal stem cell occupation or you know, adipose tissue, like the adipose gem concept to put in joints or whatever, you know, whatever's being advanced, these systems will then be you know introduced as right instead of PRP, you know, we'll use something else.
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.800
Instead of you know using exosomes, we'll use you know, whatever.
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.320
But the point being is these more exotic systems will will come.
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:42.480
We'll already have a baseline understanding.
01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:57.199
You already be doing what you need to just sort of maintain good health and optimize, and then we can add these other more, you know, I would say precise medical devices and and and therapies uh into the system and really see how they affect us.
01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.679
What's the AI's role with with all this?
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:19.920
I mean, you you're you're laying out like you know, a lot of sets saying and and you're saying with each other, not only like the existing healthcare systems, like you now, you know, just the the VA and all that stuff, but then we're talking about something that's a lot of data from a lot of, you know, obviously the human body is more complex than an aircraft carrier, arguably, right?
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.360
Because like and there's so much to know about it.
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:29.119
What what do you think AI is, you know, you mentioned Elon there, like I I think talked about Groc and that.
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:37.440
I know there's perplexity that deals tries to deal with health and stuff, but you know, obviously it has to have good to to be able to extrapolate and interpret.
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:47.679
Where do you see that line in the future as far as the health of e you know, the human let's just call it the human race, not just America, because it obviously is beyond that.
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.639
Brynn I already have an agentic AI system in my office.
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:52.559
It's insanely amazing.
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:56.800
There's no question that this is gonna be part of this system.
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:11.840
You know, we're we're AI and I and I and I'm not a guy to talk about AI because I'm really not, you know, an AI, I would say, you know, experimenter or or researcher, but that tool that I have in my office is quite amazing.
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.119
And it can assimilate information that I just can't.
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:17.440
You know, very complex information.
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:30.480
And the point is, you will have your own agencies, you know, AI system that will govern your health that will absolutely program exactly what you need to do when you need to do it.
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:33.360
Now, is it a push notification or is it a robot?
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:34.320
I don't know.
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:43.679
But for sure it this is going to be, you know, whether you have a you know health butler that's a robot that comes and brings you your vitamin stack and an IV, I don't know.
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:44.000
Yeah.
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:45.280
You know, but it's but it's coming.
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.480
And I and I can tell you, it it's something that I use already.
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:52.239
Um, and I have I've I've I've been astounded by it.
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:58.639
And that's part of how I'm I'm you know managing some of the things I do, you know, right here in Miami Beach.
01:05:58.719 --> 01:05:59.760
But I love that.
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:00.960
Yeah, I love that.
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:07.599
There the uh my buddy David Donnelly just released a movie called Forever Young, and that was kind of the premise of that.
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:15.440
It's just like, you know, like you pee in the toilet in the morning and it's gonna analyze your urine, and then it's gonna say, hey, these are the vitamins you should take for today.
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:23.039
And like, and it's just like it just painted this future of like health and longevity that I was like, I can subscribe to that.
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:37.199
Well, I think I think I think you'll have a I don't know about a medbed, but a medbed type of device that you'll you'll crawl into and it'll it'll send out red light therapy and vitamin IV and who knows.
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:48.800
Like Elysium, like the movie Elysium, you know, we'll have this kind of perfect place and they'll just have you know whatever.
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:50.159
You know, I think that's coming.
01:06:50.320 --> 01:07:09.679
Now, hopefully we can get through this hump of of sort of this dinosaur mentality where you know we have to have you know war and be civilized, which I don't agree with, but you know I think humanity is is evolving, and I'm part of this uh evolution in my mind, you know, of trying to empower people.
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:18.719
And however we do that, technology, quantum, you know, mechanics, you know, the idea of having string theory and we're able to communicate with one another telepathically.
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:20.000
I think that's happening.
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:29.039
I think we're evolving into some sort of different, you know, this Homo sapien version, you know, 1.125, 1.5, whatever it is, you know.
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:36.719
I'm not saying that we're dramatically changing, but we're getting so much information into our heads, and AI is sort of like the next level of that.
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:38.559
I don't know how we're gonna interface with that.
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:46.480
That's gonna be the next big question, you know, because you know, do we just have to accept the fact that we just can't keep up?
01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:51.119
You know, that we're gonna have to go in the matrix to keep up.
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:51.760
Yeah.
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:52.480
Right?
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:57.840
Well, I you know, like one of the things I appreciate in your book, you you talked about blues, right?
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:45.359
And then and I love blue zones, and I love them because kind of like the opposite of a lot of not longevity medicine is today, you know, like they're not taking supplements, they're not or whatever, but you you laid out the the the argument, I'd say, or whatever is, but you know, like and it and it was so cool because you know, uh you could follow along, you know, everyone's probably in the blue zones, but blue zones are like certain areas of the globe that people are living longer than the average human across the blood globe, and it's there's all kinds of theories of why this is, but you know, and and I've heard there's like the four main ones which you talked about, which it's about belonging that leads to purpose, and then purpose gets you moving, and then the movement it improves your sleep, right?
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:50.000
And then that restores you, and then that's that um positive feedback loop, right?
01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:51.920
That the that the thing there.
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:59.600
So you know, and we're talking about you know the future and it stuff, but you know, just just getting back to the basics, like blue zones don't have that.
01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:08.159
Blue zones, well, obviously they probably have access to AI now, but that's not what is creating the life for them that you know.
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:10.960
So, so are we kidding ourselves here in America?
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:22.720
Like, I mean, you know, like you hear people nostalgic about like the 50s or it was so much oh better back then and those type of things, but we're not in the 50s, and I don't think it's realistic to say we're gonna go back there.
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:40.800
But taking these lessons of people in blue zones actually living this life of purpose and movement and community and stuff is like you know, it's like what's our version, what what's our future of that look like here?
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:43.439
Like, is is that is that something that's accessible?
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.199
Are we just totally kidding ourselves?
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:52.079
Like, you know, like the people that are truly wealthy have these private farms in, you know, like Northern California.
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:54.159
That's not going to be accessible for everyone, right?
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:56.640
But you know, growing our own food is, right?
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.479
Or creating community.
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:03.039
Um I I th I you you said that very nicely.
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:08.239
I I think that you know, a blue zone, to me, you can create a blue zone in your home, okay?
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:13.199
Doesn't you have to go to Sardinia or Okinawa or live in Loma Linda, you know.
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:18.079
A blue zone is is essentially smart, healthy living.
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:39.680
Now, granted, you know, if you lived in Sardinia and you grew up in a small village north of Calliari and where I've been, and you've seen, you know, how the the little towns arranged in a circle and source their own goat's milk and olives and this, and they eat a certain way.
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:44.560
I mean, that's ideally unique, you know, obviously, to that environment.
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.039
Done that for thousands of years, right?
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:51.439
You go back, you know, to when Carthage was there, you know, and and I've seen that.
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:57.199
You know, it's it's you know, there's that that kind of history still exists, you know, where people live a certain way.
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:04.239
They really, you know, do set themselves apart from from you know this kind of mechanized industrial living.
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:07.199
But I try to do that for myself.
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.439
I have to create the best blue zone that I can.
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:11.359
And I think those are templates.
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.680
Now, could could Austin be kind of an the next blue zone?
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:30.079
I mean, or or different parts of of a country, you know, kind of create, recreate what an environment community like, have a garden sort of community, you know, husbandry that people have their local butcher and sure, you know.
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:32.239
I mean, I think that could happen.
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:43.119
You know, I believe that we're moving away from, like I said, this sort of um hyperbolic biohacking, everything's got it sort of pre-packaged and Instagram ready.
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:53.039
Like I know people, you know, that's sort of like, okay, that's the hype, but I also think that from that there's awareness, and that awareness is leading us to choose differently.
01:11:53.359 --> 01:12:06.319
So, you know, choosing, you know, sort of this different approach to living, which I go back to the book and the Ten Commandments of Longevity, that's sort of those are elements of the blue zone, the blue zone living.
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:19.199
And you know, I don't get crazy about that, but but the do you want to create uh a similar sort of environment for you and you know to maintain the the the good health and and the health span that you're seeking?
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:29.920
I know that that's you know, other people, but maybe to conceive of because maybe they don't understand it, but I think uh as we start to educate people differently, I think it's it's more of a possibility.
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:30.800
Yeah.
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:33.199
Yeah, I mean that that's that it it's cool.
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:39.439
I I like just what you said, it's like make your own blue zone your own home, which you you can do.
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:42.079
Well, you can feng shui your home, like it may you know what?
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:44.319
Yeah, and I and I really believe you can do things.
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:50.079
I mean, I I see people um sometimes growing herbs and things, and and I do that too.
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:52.479
And I love my herbs, and I think they're super important.
01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:57.600
They're they're plants that keep us, you know, like rosemary acid from rosemary, super good antioxidant.
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:04.880
So you can't have a rosemary plant that you take some sprigs off of and put it in your food, you know, put it in your soup or put on your meat, you know.
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:06.079
I do that, right?
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:09.680
I put basil, fresh basil, fresh thyme, whatever, marjoram.
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.560
I use all that because it's healthy, right?
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:24.640
There's there's active ingredients and mint, you know, in these things that uh when they're in the leaf form, you know, in their their their turpentine form or their their chemical form, they do things on the body.
01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:25.439
Garlic.
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:26.720
Dyed bonds.
01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:32.399
My my ancestors, in fact, my grandmother used to eat you know a clove of garlic a day and she lived to 98.
01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:34.800
Another grandmother lived 104.
01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:42.159
You know, people people live people lived a long life because they were very conscious certain things worked.
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:51.760
And again, food is fuel, food is important for our for our sustenance, but but it's to be used judiciously and carefully and understood.
01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:52.560
Right?
01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:53.840
Not taken for granted.
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:59.119
No, I mean that that's such good thoughts and so stuff people can take.
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:06.159
And and when we talk about like things that are no cost or low cost, I mean those are you can implement into like your own life.
01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:09.199
Like it doesn't take a lot of money.
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:21.119
I mean, I guess it takes time, but you know, to create an herb garden or to, you know, like have these like these these communities and peaceful corners and you know, just like do doing the things that are real.
01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:26.000
And and quickly I want to get you a read on a few, you know, the I guess on the opposite end of the spectrum.
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:28.319
Methylene blue and and your stack there.
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:36.079
Because I methylene blue once a week, and I think it helps me a a ton, but there's wildly different takes on methylene blue.
01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:39.199
You know, it's like you hear all kinds of stuff out there, you know.
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:45.600
You hear some people saying, you know, it lights up your whole system, and and then others say, take it, don't take it.
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:47.199
Like, what what's your read on it?
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:53.680
I mean, because I know you take it, and but I'd like to hear like your thoughts on like where does it belong and where does it belong?
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.720
Like it it Well, I could tell you it saved my life.
01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:04.239
I had severe COVID and I didn't want to go to the hospital and I was doing everything I possibly could to stay alive.
01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:19.199
And uh a friend of mine was in Mexico and they were using methylene blue activated with a red light, and they were treating COVID severe COVID, severe COVID with it, and they were getting very good results.
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:23.840
So he sent it to me out of California, sent it to me.
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:25.920
I had really never used it before.
01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:36.000
I'd studied it and I found that methylene blue works on the exterior code of lipid-based viruses and breaks them down, including herpes.
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:41.119
And and COVID was to be understood as a lipid, had a lipid outer bilayer.
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:48.720
But anyway, I I used it, I used it IV and it changed the course of my disease.
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:49.439
I have to say.
01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:52.159
It changed the course of my disease.
01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:53.680
And I looked like a smurf.
01:15:53.760 --> 01:16:13.359
I literally, I I had nebulized it, I was totally like blue, you know, and I I didn't care, but I I I literally breathed it in, I I put it in an i bag, I did that on, and I I within two days, I was descending into a place I I didn't think I was gonna make uh make it out.
01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:18.079
I was sadding in the mid-80s and I started to really start to lose control.
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:20.159
Like I started to not be able to function.
01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:24.000
And I have to say COVID was the worst experience of my life, and I've never been ill.
01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:28.479
I've never had a problem, and it would just it cost me uh a month of my life.
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:30.960
And if it wasn't for methylene blue, I don't would have made it.
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:31.600
And I mean that.
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:32.079
Wow.
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:33.199
And I used everything.
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:41.359
I had high-dose vitamin C, dexamethasone, uh, I had the whole kit, you know, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, chaletra.
01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:48.239
I was giving myself everything I could possibly get a hold of because I I knew that I'd gone to the hospital, I probably would have been intubated.
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:50.560
Yeah, it would have to me, and I that would have been it.
01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:52.159
And I I said, I can't do that.
01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:57.520
And in fact, my nurse practitionered me to get a CAT scan this time, and I was completely whited out.
01:16:57.680 --> 01:16:59.760
And I I said, I think I should go to the hospital.
01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:00.800
She said, Absolutely not.
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:01.760
She took me home.
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.560
I was gonna go because I just could not function.
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:07.279
And I sympathize with anybody that went through that.
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:08.079
Absolutely.
01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:11.920
You know, it was a horrible experience, and that stuff worked.
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:20.159
Now, granted, you know, I I'm not gonna give advice to people because this is an educational discussion, but but methylene blue has place.
01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:29.520
Now I know people use it for for brain function, and I know Alex Jones talks about it, and there's all kinds of people that up um and use it for different things and drink it.
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:36.000
Uh, I don't really use it that way personally, but but I have to say that it worked.
01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:36.800
It worked.
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:38.239
And I and I That's incredible.
01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:40.640
I've I've heard that activating with red light.
01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:42.319
That that seems Yeah.
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:54.880
But the way that the the scientists, the the researchers in Mexico, they were they were putting under um certain frequency of red light, and it apparently would would activate um the molecule a little differently.
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:55.520
And I did it.
01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:56.720
I got a light and I did it.
01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:02.399
I put the the mix the bag and put it on top of the light and did it, and it followed the urgent exactly to the T.
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:04.640
And it seemed to work.
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:06.000
Oh, that's so cool.
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:06.800
That's so cool.
01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:10.399
Yeah, that's one thing I'm gonna research right after this, is just uh check.
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:12.079
I I take it for nootropic.
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:16.399
I I take it as a nootropic, and I definitely feel it um when I take it.
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:26.159
It's one of the more powerful ones, but I just kind of keep it once a week just because just from the research that I've read, you know, it seems like that's one of the more optimal things to do.
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:34.399
Um, but that's super cool to hear about like your experience with that COVID, the red light, like nebulizing it, like that and then turning blue.
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:35.840
That's I can just visualize that.
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:37.760
It's just that was incredible.
01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:38.720
That was incredible.
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.079
I have to say, it was a wild ride.
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:43.600
Yeah, I can just imagine.
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:52.399
Yeah, I've done the trokeys uh, you know, with uh just different substances and yeah, it just turns your whole mouth blue and you're like, it you look like a freak, but part part of the thing.
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:54.640
Um so growth hormone.
01:18:54.800 --> 01:19:08.079
Um I've I've never taken HGH, um, but I have done uh CGC uh 1295, um, which is you know try to nudge my own system to produce more of that, right?
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:10.640
So it's kind of part of the same system there.
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:14.960
But you go with low dose, um, which I thought was interesting.
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:30.159
Um and you know, and it's clear that you're aiming for restoration here, not you know, trying to be a bodybuilder or something, you know, because obviously the the the dose is so many times what the you know what it does, right?
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:44.079
Um but I I hear your take on the difference between those two roads and um what do you think about the peptide approach to that and and what made you choose to go the HGH you know route versus uh a precursor?
01:19:44.479 --> 01:20:02.399
Well, it's a trim study, and that that study is what I quote in the book, and that's been shown to have uh even though it's a small study, it's been shown to have some retardation of some of the oxidative stress issues with the body, and that's the low-dose uh IgF1 stimulator, which is HGH, right?
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:05.920
HGH stimulates um insulin growth factor one in the liver.
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:16.399
And using smaller doses at uh you know kind of prescribed lower amounts has been you know beneficial in studies.
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:20.640
And then you have the metformin and zinc and DHA sulfate.
01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:31.279
So that combination is what's one of the things I do list is something that has been understood in in the longevity space as being kind of a protocol regimen for people.
01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:35.680
Obviously, they explore that with their doctor, they don't just do that online and and you know, buy themselves.
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:36.560
Of course, of course.
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:37.439
It's something it's something.
01:20:39.279 --> 01:21:02.239
And peptides, you know, they that there's there's some of them just got uh sort of semi-approved by the the Board of Pharmacy, and they're relating that back to the FDA, and the FDA then has to do position paper, and then that has to go to um, you know, sort of a different level of approval, and then you know, pharmacies that are compounding in nature then can start to adapt, you know, kind of a different position on it.
01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:03.600
Right now it's all up in the air.
01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:04.800
It's a very gray area.
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:16.000
The FDA has not banned peptides, you know, there's there's some that have been sort of like semi-approved, and semi-glutide, and pteraseptide, and retitrutide, these are all sort of like the GLP one family.
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:18.239
Those are sort of like started the bandwagon.
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:24.640
But peptides, you know, insulin's a peptide, HGH is a peptide, so they've been around, but it's a whole nother discussion.
01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:30.880
That's a very complex discussion because you have people buying them online and you know using them and kind of they don't know what they're doing.
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:32.000
Yeah, yeah.
01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:35.359
Yeah, it's a wild west out there, you know, with with so many things.
01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:48.880
And again, especially like this makes the case of like why you want to work with the precision medicine doctor, because they will find the good source of this and know how to work with this, where like you're gonna ask your normal PCP about that and they're gonna be like, what are you talking about?
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:50.319
I'm not gonna prescribe you any of that.
01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:51.359
Well, yeah, I know.
01:21:51.439 --> 01:22:08.560
I mean, it's it's like I say, it's a gray area of medicine, it's evolving, but much of medicine, it's it's sort of a journey, and it has a lot to do with with the practice of the evidence and the relationship to patients and how it affects them and and the the you know benefits and the risks.
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:09.359
Yeah.
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:15.840
Um, and then a couple more substances some I was curious about one was resveratrol.
01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:30.960
Um, you've got it in in that of 500 milligrams, and it's one of the things that actually pulled out of my stack because kind of with the David Sinclair and the and the science on it, it it appeared weaker than I thought it was a few years ago.
01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:32.800
Um push back on me.
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:34.079
Why why is it still in yours?
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:48.560
You know, I think that I think there's some utility to it, you know, and I and I say that I've been using it myself, and it has a you know, this CERTII gene uh activation issue is the sort of the source of that.
01:22:48.800 --> 01:23:02.319
I have had a patient that had a daughter that was they were studying this and they were doing, we were doing serial levels and seeing how she improved with a certain you know dosing regime of the reservoir trauma.
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:06.159
It just depends on sort of where you're sourcing it and how you're using it.
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:08.800
David Sinclair, you know, had this huge company.
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:12.399
There was a$700 million sort of investment, it went bust.
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:29.840
I don't know the full, you know, degree of what really happened inside that you know kind of situation, if you will, but but it kind of sold in the name a bit, you know, and resveratrol is one of the thought processes why red wine or the French paradox may have an effect.
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:39.039
So, you know, these are sort of like, you know, I think there's some some utility to it, and that's because I've had personal experience with it, like I said, with this with family.
01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:43.439
And I do believe that there's some some effect that's positive.
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:47.680
Now, is it you know truly anti-aging in in nature?
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:52.319
And you do do you have to uh take it for for extended periods of time?
01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:59.039
I I think there is you know usefulness if you do use it, you know, and you just am out for your particular situation, yeah.
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:10.720
Yeah, and again, it's like one of those things that's like not throwing the baby out with the bathwater thing, just because it might not have been as such a miracle drug or a miracle, yep, you know, uh thing doesn't mean that it's not nothing's good.
01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:11.199
You know what I mean?
01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:12.159
Nothing's a miracle.
01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:13.760
Yeah, there's no miracle drug.
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:16.640
Yeah, I use I hate there's nothing miracle.
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:20.960
There's no, you know, what we've got under the hood is a miracle.
01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:21.920
We are a miracle.
01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:22.159
Yeah.
01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:23.760
Anything outside us, I don't know.
01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:25.920
Yeah, sorry to hear that news.
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:27.119
Yeah, yeah.
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:33.920
Uh and then the last one, um, which again is another one that I've backed on uh, you know, I've backed off on.
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:37.680
I haven't completely taken taken it off my plate, but repamycin.
01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:45.279
So I was taking it once a week, low dose, uh, and now kind of pulse it every six to eight months.
01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:56.560
And and so, you know, I'm just kind of waiting for more, you know, Tia talks about it a lot, and you know, it's it's definitely a topic of uh, you know, it's certainly an interesting uh molecule.
01:24:56.800 --> 01:25:00.000
So you've got it as uh, you know, twice weekly, right?
01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:03.439
And cycled and then every few months and then you take off.
01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:04.720
Is that what I understand?
01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:14.319
Well, well, there's a there's an evolved sort of, you know, there was a recent study in in 2025 that showed that aging biomarkers, but it has not shown to extend life.
01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:15.119
Number one.
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:20.399
Number two, the amount taken can be anywhere from say four to six milligrams.
01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:22.560
Usually it's once a week for four months.
01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:24.319
That's typically how it's dosed.
01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:26.800
Depends on the body weight, depends on the person.
01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:32.640
That's a unique area, but that has to do with the mTOR pathway.
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:47.359
I won't get into all that, but but it's I think it's it's uh it's one of the things that if you if you put it sort of like the things that are out there, that's one that is we haven't like us able to identify it extends life, but it does decrease some of the aging biomarkers over time.
01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:48.880
And that's been shown in humans.
01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:49.439
Yeah.
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:52.159
Yeah, I know there's been some interesting research there.
01:25:52.239 --> 01:26:02.159
And and then again, you know, it's like the results and for extended lifespan, but if it does touch biomarkers in a positive way, it's like, well, you know, it's it's like why not?
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:03.840
Uh other than it's so expensive.
01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:05.520
That was like one of the most expensive things.
01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:12.079
Well, yeah, it can it can be, it can be, but that that's uh that you know, like I say, I the in the back of the book I talk about these protocols.
01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:21.760
I don't necessarily say those are the things that I necessarily you know advise people to do, but I think these are sort of like right now, based on what the research shows, is sort of like the top ones.
01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:23.119
Yeah, yeah.
01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:28.960
So so last question I have for you before we wrap this up, and and thank you for being so just with your time.
01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:30.800
I mean, this is this is fantastic.
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:35.359
Like I feel like it's like, let's go get a steak and and and a bottle and talk.
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:36.800
No, yeah, yeah.
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:37.760
I like that idea.
01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:50.640
But uh but so if you strip out all the stuff from all your protocols and you can say three things, and every else everything else, like you know, you you just leave on the on the side of the road.
01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:51.359
Surprise.
01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:54.079
What what's like the three three things?
01:26:54.399 --> 01:26:57.279
Well, I you know, I there's a lot to be said.
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:02.720
You know, of the top things are to be your sleep, your nutrition, and your movement.
01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:04.319
I would say those are the top.
01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:11.359
Because if you're not sleeping, you're not restoring, regenerating, and replenishing, and you need sleep, and it's so complex.
01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:17.119
Sleep is one of the most important things that that the human body can do, uh, and it's very passive.
01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:23.439
Uh obviously nutrition is is probably number one because you know, as Hippocrates said, you know, food is medicine.
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.079
And then third, in movement, you have to move.
01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:30.239
Any any person I've seen over the age of 70 that's moving, they're healthy.
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:33.840
If they're in a wheelchair or they're bedridden, they're not.
01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:38.960
Movement is is is is I mean, none of these things are done in a vacuum, right?
01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:40.079
But those are the top.
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:40.800
Yeah.
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:41.359
Yeah.
01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:44.239
And that's what I want to do when I'm 100.
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:44.720
Yeah.
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:45.039
Yeah.
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:45.680
When I'm old.
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:48.159
Yeah, me too, man.
01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:53.680
I want to be like mountain biking on the sun and doing all those things, move moving it, moving it as much as possible.
01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:54.159
Moving it.
01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:57.520
And again, it's like kind of going back to that blue zone thing, right?
01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:00.159
That's I mean, that's essentially what the blue zones are doing there.
01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:02.000
So uh I love that, man.
01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:02.800
I really do.
01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:07.840
Uh the last thing, how can people find out more about you if they want to see more?
01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.239
I mean, obviously, you've got the book out.
01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:11.199
Excellent read.
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:12.720
Uh highly recommend it.
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.680
Um Ten Commandments, I think, is so cool.
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:24.800
Um and uh Yeah, well, like are you are you still taking patience or you what what's uh yeah, what what do you want people to do there to listen to this?
01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:30.159
Well, I to if anyone has any any questions, I'm happy to to answer an email.
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:38.159
My email is Michael at Hall Longevity with 2.com and the website they can go to and ask questions and and interact there.
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:42.399
And there's a wellscore platform that people can can actually sign up for.
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:48.159
And yeah, the book is really a primer, it's sort of an educational um statement.
01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:52.640
It just helps people understand what this field is.
01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:58.079
So yeah, that's that's the the bottom bottom line there if they want to know more.
01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:02.000
And yeah, I'm always happy to, you know, if somebody somebody said, Listen, I want to talk to Dr.
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:04.399
Hall, uh 8669 Dr.
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:05.600
Hall, they can call.
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:07.039
I'm always happy to talk to people.
01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:08.960
Like I said, I'm I'm here to very cool, very cool.
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.720
And I'll put all that in the show notes too, especially with the website.
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:16.000
Just uh it's not three L's for Hall longevity, it's two L's.
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:17.760
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:26.640
Um and then uh and then yeah, and then the book is infinite youth solving the aging equation.
01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.119
Um I think it's on Amazon, right?
01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.359
It is, it is, it's yeah, it's all okay, yep.
01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:32.239
Perfect, yeah.
01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:35.279
Or just or where whatever book source you go.
01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:39.199
Aging funnels generally one of the mental models that I've seen.
01:29:39.439 --> 01:29:48.560
So it it's a really cool um way to you know just mentally visualize um you know just how longevity works.
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:50.399
Um so thanks, Dr.
01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:50.880
Hall.
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:52.319
I really appreciate your time today.
01:29:52.479 --> 01:30:00.000
And uh, and and and you listening, you've heard this and it's helped you, send it to someone else.
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01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:17.199
And otherwise, we'll see ya on the next longevity loop episode.
01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:18.079
Thanks, Dolly.
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