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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
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I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
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our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
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in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
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going over the same parenting topics over and over.
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So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
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we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
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thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
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if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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and let's all make like we're doing something important for
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our families.
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Each Tuesday we bring you our thoughts on a newer
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entertainment property, and for this week of April sixth, we
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are discussing Shrinking. Season three, episode ten, Bodyguard of Sadness.
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And I don't even know what, like, where did that
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come from?
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What?
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It doesn't matter.
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They were feeling sad, they just didn't even want to
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bother to find the good time.
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Just what a bummer of an episode.
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And in fact, I was already a little bit worried
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about it because Jimmy's dad was such a horrible presence
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in the last one.
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And then I go to watch it.
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They always have when the new one drops, they have
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a description of the next one, and the description of
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the next one is something like, Jimmy hurries to fix
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the horrible things that have happened, and I'm like, what, no,
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the horrible things that have.
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Happened in this episode. I'm just gonna watch now.
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No, that's not exactly what the description was, but that's
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the way I read it.
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Before it's too late.
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Oh crap, I don't want to watch this episode now.
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This is not gonna be a happy, fun episode. And indeed,
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you know, we need to first call out that Jeff
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Daniels continues just a masterful performance of that guy, that awful,
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that guy who just crumples up his son's ego like
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he was a hot dog rapper and throws it in
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the trash.
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What, oh my gosh, yeah, oh my god, well that
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was your mom's department. Yeah, anything having to do with
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feelings like.
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And wow, yeah, I mean, And Jimmy is trying to
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talk to him, and his dad says, I can't tell
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you how much I don't want to be in this conversation.
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Let's go get some ice cream. Yeah yeah. And then
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of course, I mean he's gone to talk to his
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trying to talk to his dad because Paul encouraged to
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him too. But Paul, as his surrogate dad, is being
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just as bad. Number one, when you're talking to somebody
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about your terrible parent, you don't want them to go, oh,
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you think your dad is bad, Let me tell you
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about my bad dad. No, I don't want to hear
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about your bad dad. We're talking about my bad dad,
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and you were supporting me as my friend.
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Oh my gosh.
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So kudos to Jeff Daniels, please never be on the
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show again. And also to Jason Siegel for just and
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I mean, I guess this has been true all through
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the series, but I'm just noticing it.
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His face acting. Yeah.
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I've often said there should be an Emmy for face acting, because,
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oh my gosh, every time somebody says something that lands
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his face just I don't know what even to call it,
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but you just see that guy dying inside.
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And even even when when Gabby told him about Paul
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giving her the practice, which again Paul didn't tell him.
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You know, Gabby has to tell him.
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Yeah, he really put up a good show.
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Yeah, it's like he was smiling, but his eyes, We're going,
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what's this? Yeah? Just wow, man, yeah wow. And I
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was going to this episode dreading Alice being super upset
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about her grandfather not being there and maybe blaming Jimmy.
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I was so worried about it. And in the end
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she's like, okay, fine and ip off the which yay.
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I didn't want to see her be upset, but support
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your dad with you, I know.
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I mean, do we think that in the man hang
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any here, do we think that was like do you
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think she was faking it like Jimmy was with Gabby
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or do you think she really was just like well.
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That's it's impossible that she is faking it and that
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a young actress doesn't have the tools for faking that
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the way somebody Jason Siegal's.
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Mage douts.
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Because he would have been like, oh yeah, okay fine,
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but you would have seen in his eyes that he
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had been like shot in the head and she but
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she was like oh fine, you know, and I just
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felt I just felt it for Jimmy so much. Parenting wise,
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those times when you have made a big case about
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how much something means to your child, and then the
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child just completely leaves you hanging.
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We've all had this happen.
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Yeah, please bat me up by being unhappy day.
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Why aren't you crying?
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I've been betrayed by both of you.
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Now, come on, man, could not get a win. I
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just wanted to hug him so bad. Oh my gosh,
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just awfulness, awfulness, awfulness. And then of course he winds
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up having it out with Paul in a way that
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reflects just like all through the episode, he just taking
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these blows and being stoic, and then he lets it
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out at of course the one guy it's safe to
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let it out too, but still Wolf. And you know,
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let's mention, let's drop that he slept with Meg and
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just says all the terrible things that he wants to
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say to his father, to his father figure and yikes. Yeah,
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and it's hard to see how this doesn't end with
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him either jumping in front of a train or inviting
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call girls over. I don't know which, but surely it won't.
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Surely they'll pull this off. They're not going to leave
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us with a cliffhanger of Jimmy. Yeah, the way he
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was at the beginning of the series.
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They're not right, Catherine, They're not They're.
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Not sure, Hope.
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Oh my gosh, that was so rough.
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At least at least Jorge got the opportunity to just
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beat the crap out of Sean.
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Except it didn't work.
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He got the satisfaction of knocked out throwing a few punches,
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but he also got one in return.
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But they worked it.
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Sean's going to live in the place that Derek offered
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him before and he didn't want but now he does,
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and Jorge is going to live there too, so he
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doesn't have a job, but he's got a cool place
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to live.
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Then they still haven't addressed why he can't.
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Keep working out.
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They have not, and they're probably not going to because
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at this point I'm sure they're not.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't get it. And who
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is it?
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Paul said to Liz, have one of your big dumb
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sons give you a baby or something like that, and conveniently, yeah,
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the the one of them that has I was gonna say,
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the one of them has a girlfriend, but Connor has
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a girlfriend. And that whole plotline was worth it for
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summer saying raise your hand if you thought it would
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be me first, everybody, including hers, but no, it's the
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I guess oldest son's girlfriend. Seems like a very unpromising
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situation to me, Yes, and I was wondering why Liz
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was trying so hard to talk them out of it,
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because you know, she wants that baby, you know, especially
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if Sutton's gonna be well, Sutton will be back before
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this baby is born. But still she's been she's been
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challenged to be less involved with Sutton, so, you know,
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her own grandchild.
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All bets are off.
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But I was wondering why they were being so negative
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about it. But then of course, as soon as they
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closed the door.
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Behind the kids, they were like, yeses.
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Well Liz was, but then started thinking through like wait
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a minute. Then she was talking about raising this kid
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until it was a teenager, and he's thinking I might
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have other things I wanted to do.
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So then they just flipped to traveling to Europe.
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Everybody's leaving, although it seemed like they were setting this
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up for everybody is leaving, but everybody is not leaving
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at the same time and for the same duration. Correct,
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Liz and Derek are going to spend a summer in Europe.
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Charlie is going to Tennessee for a couple of months.
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Alice presumably is not going to college until the fall.
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Some of those people will be back. Did she have
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to be there early? First?
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They said something about, yeah, she would be there.
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They didn't say exactly when, but earlier than normal.
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Everybody has to leave Jimmy right away now now movement.
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Also, there's no reason why Jimmy can't keep seeing patients
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in that office, right, I mean, does does Gabby really
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need every room at every moment?
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I would not think so.
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a trauma center, it has to be all trauma, and
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that's not his thing. I guess he's got a big house.
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He could see somebody out of his house. Yeah, well
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he can use the cool house. Could be his office
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now that John's moving out of it. I don't know.
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This was a lot, Yes, this is really a lot.
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This also, like last week's episode was called Daddy.
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Issues, but.
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I feel like that was even more apt for this one. Yes,
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Jimmy had it out with his own dad. He had
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it out with his surrogate dad, as you said.
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Yeah, and it just Paul's departure seems very sudden. It
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keeps getting Suddener and Suddener from week to week and
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all now it's like, well, graduations today, We'll have a
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graduation and going away party and then he leaves the
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next day. I don't know if I were Ham, I
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might want to get out of town. But still, this
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is you know.
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It's it's sitcom timing for sure. Is TV show timing?
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Yes? Yes, ah not pas.
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And it's also weird to me that I don't know why,
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but there's only one more episode after this, Like there's yes, eleven.
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Episodes, eleven, Like did they run out of stuff?
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Thank god?
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What don't don't we do?
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I'm pretty sure it was twelve at one point. I
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think it was supposed to be twelve. But then again,
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the series was supposed to end at the end of
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these three.
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Seasons and that was it.
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It was, you know, the three arc of recovery or whatever,
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and then they added a fourth so I guess they
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had to mess things up here at the end to
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have more to fight about next season. What was also
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weird to me was that Jimmy was all alone at
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the graduation.
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Now, I guess he was expecting to have his dad
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with him. And I know there is limited seating at graduations.
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I think we have limits on ours. You can only
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bring so many people if you have a large graduating class,
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which I imagine in Pasadena they would. But still at
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least one person could have gone with him. Surely at
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least one person. I would guess that four people could
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have gone. Yes, even if they were limiting it. Yes,
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why is he sitting there all by himself amongst strangers? Yeah?
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That was weird.
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Yeah, and you know, like even if none of his.
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Gang could come with him, like uh huh, yeah, after
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eighteen years, you at least know a few other parents, right, Yes,
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you sit with friends.
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And what about the summers?
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Yeah, oh gosh, I don't they nobody wants to go
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near Summer's mom.
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Connor is terrified.
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But I also and this is a this is like
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a whole series question. But did Tea have no family
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at all?
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There's not an anti, There's not a grandma on that side. Yeah,
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there's not. It's just there's barely any family on Jimmy's side.
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And what there is, we don't want there's no Have
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they ever even just said, oh well, all her family
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lives someplace else or something. It's weird.
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It is weird. Yeah, I don't think that's ever come up.
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And I mean we've never heard of Jeff Daniels's character
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either ever until this, So it seems to me like
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they could have a relative from the other side of
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the family also appear out of nowhere right next season exactly. Well,
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of it good, but there was also that.
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Loss too, like you think things are going okay and
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things are just chugging along, and then next thing you know,
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Yes, so not fun. I was.
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Jimmy's dad getting along just great with all of Jimmy's friends,
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hang with Jimmy's friends.
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Playing guitar, doing this, doing that. Everybody loves him. He's
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so fun, And it's like.
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be wonderful, but a lot of the times it's just
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like giving me my friends back.
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Stop that they're my friends.
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you are not your kid's friend's friend and stop that.
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being with your kid, you have a problem. Yes.
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where it's going and you don't want to go there,
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I'm so very sorry, but you still have to have
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the conversation.
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Still, it really stinks.
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I agree, you want to be anywhere, but there you
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want to put headphones in so you don't hear it.
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But this is what you signed up for, y'all. This
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is something Liz could have mentioned. In addition to the
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physical challenges of pregnancy, one day you will have to
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have an uncomfortable conversation with this child.
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Ye think about it.
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Proble are more than once.
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the mother of his girlfriend, and he will look at
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you with big eyes and say, you're.
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Supposed to protect me.
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just when they're cute little kids, but when they're grown
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ups or sort of.
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called upon to protect him at any point in his life,
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including in most especially right now, and from.
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Him, so yikes.
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It was said more than once in this show that
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sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the people you love,
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which was we were just.
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It is so true, and it is so difficult, and
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it is so necessary, and stop it, stop ducking it.
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at me for not offering you something you don't want.
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I feel like that's a parenting sentence that you know,
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you're sort of darned if you do, or darned if
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you don't. Yeah, you know, you give them something they
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want and suddenly they don't want it. Mm hmm. You
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refrain from offering them something they don't want, and suddenly
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they they want you to at least.
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Make the efforts.
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Yes, they want they want the acknowledgement or the offer.
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Yeah, a yeah, I it's rough.
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Some of the just overall decisions here are yeah, are
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not making a lot of sense. You know why it
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was such a big deal for Brian to go to
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Tennessee for a couple of months, Like it's not forever, dude.
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Like that's true. I mean, if you did have an
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office based job.
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That would be a thing, right, but he doesn't. But
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established he doesn't.
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But yeah, but I wonder has Charlie periodically gone places
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for months at a time in their relationship or.
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Is this something new?
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I don't know.
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Well, I remember he was away when when Eva went
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into labor.
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But he's right, what does Charlie do?
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I don't know.
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I think that was a joke at one point, like
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they all like, what does he dos?
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And you wound up having some very one of those
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those corporate titles where nobody.
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Knows what it means, nobody gets it.
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Assistant VP in charge of assistant Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that
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that was kind of It just seemed like the sole
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purpose of that was because everybody's leaving, right, Okay, we
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got it. I mean I was feeling like they should
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have taken up the full challenge of getting everybody to Connecticut.
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Yeah, but in lieu.
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Of that, they just just dispersed.
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Them and co did a reason for everybody to leave. Yeah,
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and uh, you know, I should crisis Jimmy should break
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into Liz and Derek's house every day and pee off
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the balcony. The planet's healthy. But uh, maybe they'll leave
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the McKey. Maybe Derek'll leave mckey'll sneak of the key, right, Uh,
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but it just did seem very mechanical, right, Yeah. Well,
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I mean, when when Jimmy has the crisis that he's
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clearly heading toward, the only person who's going to be
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around is Gabby and she's well and sean like in town. Yes,
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but Shawn's no longer in his poolhouse and Gabby is
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no longer in the same workplace. So yes, he could
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have call girls out to the pool anytimes he wants
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and nobody's gonna complain.
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Maybe Pam will complain. Is Pam's still there?
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Good? I bet Pam would call the police on him.
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Uh yeah, it's hmmm.
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Sophie still around. Sophie still around. I didn't see her
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this time Apple. Oh man, it wasn't coming to the office.
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But yeah, you would think that Gabby could just let
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him use an office on the ground floor or something.
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It's just it's just.
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Not the not the most graceful plotting that is getting
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us to this place. But you know what, if we
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needed this to bring Jimmy to some sort of breaking
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point that he will be healthier thereafter only next season.
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But although I don't know, maybe they'll tie it up.
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Yeah, I guess we didn't really think that all this
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moving on was going.
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To be so literal.
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Yeah, we didn't. We didn't it is. It is very literal.
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This episode sponsored by U Haul.
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Move on with.
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You Haul, Ye, wrap your furniture in plastic and walk
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on out.
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We'll do the rest.
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What is that? That would be you Haul? That would
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be Mayflower? One of those? But hm, well another season? Yeah,
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almost done, limping to the finished line. They could, they
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could pull it off with a super wonderful, happy, sweet
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loving finale, but they probably won't because they have another season.
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So these people can't be fixed just yet.
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Nope, needed one more season out of them.
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And is the Maya thing just completely over?
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Yeah?
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She wasn't. Is that not something that's gonna come back
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and smack Gabby? I just keep thinking I don't want.
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It to, but it should.
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I hate that that whole plot was just for nothing,
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and obviously we're making too much out of it.
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But yeah, is Zach gonna? I don't know.
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I guess I hope that it is not a thing
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because I really don't want to see it that all
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follow through.
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But at the same time Justice.
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For Mile, Yes, exactly, she didn't really die, she just
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left town and she gets her own sitcom.
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Well, there was a lot of plot in this episode,
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a lot of plot maneuvering and possibly artificially shifting into place.
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Right.
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So next week, yeah, next week we will finish season
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three with.
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Episode and seasons should not end on an episode eleven.
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I'm sorry, that's not right.
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I have to end on a new number, and it's
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called and that's our time, which is a nice a
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nice use of a therapy praise gets us back to
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these people with therapists. Yeah, and we will be.
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Back tomorrow to discuss Lost.
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Which is actually a lot more fun this week shrinking
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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
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I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
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in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
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going over the same parenting topics over and over.
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we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
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thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
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are discussing Shrinking. Season three, episode ten, Bodyguard of Sadness.
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And I don't even know what, like, where did that
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come from?
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What?
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It doesn't matter.
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They were feeling sad, they just didn't even want to
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bother to find the good time.
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Just what a bummer of an episode.
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And in fact, I was already a little bit worried
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about it because Jimmy's dad was such a horrible presence
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in the last one.
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And then I go to watch it.
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They always have when the new one drops, they have
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a description of the next one, and the description of
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the next one is something like, Jimmy hurries to fix
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the horrible things that have happened, and I'm like, what, no,
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the horrible things that have.
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Happened in this episode. I'm just gonna watch now.
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No, that's not exactly what the description was, but that's
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the way I read it.
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Before it's too late.
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Oh crap, I don't want to watch this episode now.
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This is not gonna be a happy, fun episode. And indeed,
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you know, we need to first call out that Jeff
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Daniels continues just a masterful performance of that guy, that awful,
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that guy who just crumples up his son's ego like
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he was a hot dog rapper and throws it in
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the trash.
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What, oh my gosh, yeah, oh my god, well that
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was your mom's department. Yeah, anything having to do with
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feelings like.
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And wow, yeah, I mean, And Jimmy is trying to
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talk to him, and his dad says, I can't tell
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you how much I don't want to be in this conversation.
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Let's go get some ice cream. Yeah yeah. And then
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of course, I mean he's gone to talk to his
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trying to talk to his dad because Paul encouraged to
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him too. But Paul, as his surrogate dad, is being
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just as bad. Number one, when you're talking to somebody
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about your terrible parent, you don't want them to go, oh,
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you think your dad is bad, Let me tell you
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about my bad dad. No, I don't want to hear
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about your bad dad. We're talking about my bad dad,
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and you were supporting me as my friend.
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Oh my gosh.
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So kudos to Jeff Daniels, please never be on the
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show again. And also to Jason Siegel for just and
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I mean, I guess this has been true all through
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the series, but I'm just noticing it.
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His face acting. Yeah.
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I've often said there should be an Emmy for face acting, because,
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oh my gosh, every time somebody says something that lands
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his face just I don't know what even to call it,
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but you just see that guy dying inside.
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giving her the practice, which again Paul didn't tell him.
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You know, Gabby has to tell him.
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Yeah, he really put up a good show.
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what's this? Yeah? Just wow, man, yeah wow. And I
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was going to this episode dreading Alice being super upset
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about her grandfather not being there and maybe blaming Jimmy.
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I was so worried about it. And in the end
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she's like, okay, fine and ip off the which yay.
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I didn't want to see her be upset, but support
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your dad with you, I know.
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I mean, do we think that in the man hang
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any here, do we think that was like do you
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think she was faking it like Jimmy was with Gabby
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or do you think she really was just like well.
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That's it's impossible that she is faking it and that
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a young actress doesn't have the tools for faking that
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the way somebody Jason Siegal's.
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Mage douts.
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Because he would have been like, oh yeah, okay fine,
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but you would have seen in his eyes that he
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had been like shot in the head and she but
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she was like oh fine, you know, and I just
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felt I just felt it for Jimmy so much. Parenting wise,
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those times when you have made a big case about
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how much something means to your child, and then the
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child just completely leaves you hanging.
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We've all had this happen.
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Yeah, please bat me up by being unhappy day.
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Why aren't you crying?
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I've been betrayed by both of you.
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Now, come on, man, could not get a win. I
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just wanted to hug him so bad. Oh my gosh,
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just awfulness, awfulness, awfulness. And then of course he winds
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up having it out with Paul in a way that
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reflects just like all through the episode, he just taking
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these blows and being stoic, and then he lets it
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out at of course the one guy it's safe to
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let it out too, but still Wolf. And you know,
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let's mention, let's drop that he slept with Meg and
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just says all the terrible things that he wants to
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say to his father, to his father figure and yikes. Yeah,
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and it's hard to see how this doesn't end with
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him either jumping in front of a train or inviting
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call girls over. I don't know which, but surely it won't.
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Surely they'll pull this off. They're not going to leave
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us with a cliffhanger of Jimmy. Yeah, the way he
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was at the beginning of the series.
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They're not right, Catherine, They're not They're.
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Not sure, Hope.
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Oh my gosh, that was so rough.
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At least at least Jorge got the opportunity to just
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beat the crap out of Sean.
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Except it didn't work.
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He got the satisfaction of knocked out throwing a few punches,
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but he also got one in return.
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But they worked it.
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Sean's going to live in the place that Derek offered
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him before and he didn't want but now he does,
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and Jorge is going to live there too, so he
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doesn't have a job, but he's got a cool place
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to live.
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Then they still haven't addressed why he can't.
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They have not, and they're probably not going to because
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at this point I'm sure they're not.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't get it. And who
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is it?
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Paul said to Liz, have one of your big dumb
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sons give you a baby or something like that, and conveniently, yeah,
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the the one of them that has I was gonna say,
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the one of them has a girlfriend, but Connor has
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a girlfriend. And that whole plotline was worth it for
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summer saying raise your hand if you thought it would
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be me first, everybody, including hers, but no, it's the
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I guess oldest son's girlfriend. Seems like a very unpromising
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situation to me, Yes, and I was wondering why Liz
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was trying so hard to talk them out of it,
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because you know, she wants that baby, you know, especially
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if Sutton's gonna be well, Sutton will be back before
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this baby is born. But still she's been she's been
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challenged to be less involved with Sutton, so, you know,
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her own grandchild.
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All bets are off.
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about it. But then of course, as soon as they
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closed the door.
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Behind the kids, they were like, yeses.
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a minute. Then she was talking about raising this kid
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until it was a teenager, and he's thinking I might
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have other things I wanted to do.
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So then they just flipped to traveling to Europe.
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Everybody's leaving, although it seemed like they were setting this
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up for everybody is leaving, but everybody is not leaving
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at the same time and for the same duration. Correct,
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Liz and Derek are going to spend a summer in Europe.
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Charlie is going to Tennessee for a couple of months.
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Alice presumably is not going to college until the fall.
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Some of those people will be back. Did she have
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to be there early? First?
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They said something about, yeah, she would be there.
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They didn't say exactly when, but earlier than normal.
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Everybody has to leave Jimmy right away now now movement.
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Also, there's no reason why Jimmy can't keep seeing patients
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in that office, right, I mean, does does Gabby really
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need every room at every moment?
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I would not think so.
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a trauma center, it has to be all trauma, and
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that's not his thing. I guess he's got a big house.
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He could see somebody out of his house. Yeah, well
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he can use the cool house. Could be his office
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now that John's moving out of it. I don't know.
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This was a lot, Yes, this is really a lot.
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This also, like last week's episode was called Daddy.
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Issues, but.
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I feel like that was even more apt for this one. Yes,
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Jimmy had it out with his own dad. He had
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it out with his surrogate dad, as you said.
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Yeah, and it just Paul's departure seems very sudden. It
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keeps getting Suddener and Suddener from week to week and
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all now it's like, well, graduations today, We'll have a
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graduation and going away party and then he leaves the
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next day. I don't know if I were Ham, I
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might want to get out of town. But still, this
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is you know.
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It's it's sitcom timing for sure. Is TV show timing?
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Yes? Yes, ah not pas.
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And it's also weird to me that I don't know why,
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but there's only one more episode after this, Like there's yes, eleven.
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Episodes, eleven, Like did they run out of stuff?
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Thank god?
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What don't don't we do?
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I'm pretty sure it was twelve at one point. I
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think it was supposed to be twelve. But then again,
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the series was supposed to end at the end of
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these three.
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Seasons and that was it.
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It was, you know, the three arc of recovery or whatever,
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and then they added a fourth so I guess they
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had to mess things up here at the end to
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have more to fight about next season. What was also
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weird to me was that Jimmy was all alone at
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the graduation.
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Now, I guess he was expecting to have his dad
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with him. And I know there is limited seating at graduations.
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I think we have limits on ours. You can only
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bring so many people if you have a large graduating class,
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which I imagine in Pasadena they would. But still at
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least one person could have gone with him. Surely at
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least one person. I would guess that four people could
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have gone. Yes, even if they were limiting it. Yes,
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why is he sitting there all by himself amongst strangers? Yeah?
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That was weird.
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Yeah, and you know, like even if none of his.
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Gang could come with him, like uh huh, yeah, after
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eighteen years, you at least know a few other parents, right, Yes,
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you sit with friends.
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And what about the summers?
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Yeah, oh gosh, I don't they nobody wants to go
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near Summer's mom.
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Connor is terrified.
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a whole series question. But did Tea have no family
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at all?
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There's not an anti, There's not a grandma on that side. Yeah,
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there's not. It's just there's barely any family on Jimmy's side.
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And what there is, we don't want there's no Have
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they ever even just said, oh well, all her family
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lives someplace else or something. It's weird.
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It is weird. Yeah, I don't think that's ever come up.
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either ever until this, So it seems to me like
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they could have a relative from the other side of
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the family also appear out of nowhere right next season exactly. Well,
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there was tons of parenting content in this. Yeah, none
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of it good, but there was also that.
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That sort of I mean we've talked about this with
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Loss too, like you think things are going okay and
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things are just chugging along, and then next thing you know,
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it is just like punch after Yes.
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Yes, so not fun. I was.
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When they've had scenes last week and this week of
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Jimmy's dad getting along just great with all of Jimmy's friends,
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hang with Jimmy's friends.
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Playing guitar, doing this, doing that. Everybody loves him. He's
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so fun, And it's like.
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When your parent gets along with your friends, it should
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be wonderful, but a lot of the times it's just
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like giving me my friends back.
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Stop that they're my friends.
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Like you want your kids friends to like you, but
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you are not your kid's friend's friend and stop that.
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If they like being with you more than they like
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being with your kid, you have a problem. Yes.
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Wants to have a conversation with you, and you know
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where it's going and you don't want to go there,
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I'm so very sorry, but you still have to have
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the conversation.
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Still, it really stinks.
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I agree, you want to be anywhere, but there you
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want to put headphones in so you don't hear it.
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But this is what you signed up for, y'all. This
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is something Liz could have mentioned. In addition to the
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physical challenges of pregnancy, one day you will have to
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have an uncomfortable conversation with this child.
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Ye think about it.
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Proble are more than once.
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You may also be asked to protect your child from
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the mother of his girlfriend, and he will look at
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you with big eyes and say, you're.
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Supposed to protect me.
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You have to protect them all through their life, not
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just when they're cute little kids, but when they're grown
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ups or sort of.
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You will be called and see.
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You get the sense that Jimmy's dad has never felt
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called upon to protect him at any point in his life,
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including in most especially right now, and from.
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Him, so yikes.
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It was said more than once in this show that
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sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the people you love,
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which was we were just.
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Talking about in Lost last week.
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It is so true, and it is so difficult, and
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it is so necessary, and stop it, stop ducking it.
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at me for not offering you something you don't want.
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I feel like that's a parenting sentence that you know,
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you're sort of darned if you do, or darned if
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you don't. Yeah, you know, you give them something they
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want and suddenly they don't want it. Mm hmm. You
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refrain from offering them something they don't want, and suddenly
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they they want you to at least.
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Make the efforts.
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Yes, they want they want the acknowledgement or the offer.
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Yeah, a yeah, I it's rough.
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Some of the just overall decisions here are yeah, are
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not making a lot of sense. You know why it
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was such a big deal for Brian to go to
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Tennessee for a couple of months, Like it's not forever, dude.
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Like that's true. I mean, if you did have an
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office based job.
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That would be a thing, right, but he doesn't. But
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established he doesn't.
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But yeah, but I wonder has Charlie periodically gone places
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for months at a time in their relationship or.
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Is this something new?
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I don't know.
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Well, I remember he was away when when Eva went
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into labor.
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But he's right, what does Charlie do?
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I don't know.
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I think that was a joke at one point, like
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they all like, what does he dos?
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And you wound up having some very one of those
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those corporate titles where nobody.
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Knows what it means, nobody gets it.
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Assistant VP in charge of assistant Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that
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that was kind of It just seemed like the sole
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purpose of that was because everybody's leaving, right, Okay, we
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got it. I mean I was feeling like they should
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have taken up the full challenge of getting everybody to Connecticut.
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Yeah, but in lieu.
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Of that, they just just dispersed.
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Them and co did a reason for everybody to leave. Yeah,
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and uh, you know, I should crisis Jimmy should break
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into Liz and Derek's house every day and pee off
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the balcony. The planet's healthy. But uh, maybe they'll leave
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the McKey. Maybe Derek'll leave mckey'll sneak of the key, right, Uh,
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but it just did seem very mechanical, right, Yeah. Well,
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I mean, when when Jimmy has the crisis that he's
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clearly heading toward, the only person who's going to be
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around is Gabby and she's well and sean like in town. Yes,
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but Shawn's no longer in his poolhouse and Gabby is
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no longer in the same workplace. So yes, he could
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have call girls out to the pool anytimes he wants
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and nobody's gonna complain.
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Maybe Pam will complain. Is Pam's still there?
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Good? I bet Pam would call the police on him.
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Uh yeah, it's hmmm.
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Sophie still around. Sophie still around. I didn't see her
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this time Apple. Oh man, it wasn't coming to the office.
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But yeah, you would think that Gabby could just let
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him use an office on the ground floor or something.
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It's just it's just.
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Not the not the most graceful plotting that is getting
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us to this place. But you know what, if we
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needed this to bring Jimmy to some sort of breaking
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point that he will be healthier thereafter only next season.
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But although I don't know, maybe they'll tie it up.
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Yeah, I guess we didn't really think that all this
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moving on was going.
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To be so literal.
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Yeah, we didn't. We didn't it is. It is very literal.
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This episode sponsored by U Haul.
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Move on with.
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You Haul, Ye, wrap your furniture in plastic and walk
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on out.
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We'll do the rest.
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What is that? That would be you Haul? That would
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be Mayflower? One of those? But hm, well another season? Yeah,
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almost done, limping to the finished line. They could, they
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could pull it off with a super wonderful, happy, sweet
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loving finale, but they probably won't because they have another season.
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So these people can't be fixed just yet.
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Nope, needed one more season out of them.
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And is the Maya thing just completely over?
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Yeah?
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She wasn't. Is that not something that's gonna come back
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and smack Gabby? I just keep thinking I don't want.
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It to, but it should.
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Yeah.
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I hate that that whole plot was just for nothing,
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and obviously we're making too much out of it.
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But yeah, is Zach gonna? I don't know.
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I guess I hope that it is not a thing
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because I really don't want to see it that all
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follow through.
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But at the same time Justice.
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For Mile, Yes, exactly, she didn't really die, she just
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left town and she gets her own sitcom.
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Yeah.
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Well, there was a lot of plot in this episode,
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a lot of plot maneuvering and possibly artificially shifting into place.
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Right.
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So next week, yeah, next week we will finish season
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three with.
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Episode and seasons should not end on an episode eleven.
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I'm sorry, that's not right.
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I have to end on a new number, and it's
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called and that's our time, which is a nice a
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nice use of a therapy praise gets us back to
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these people with therapists. Yeah, and we will be.
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Back tomorrow to discuss Lost.
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Which is actually a lot more fun this week shrinking
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for the second week in a row. Ye, thank you
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