Who are the Galactic Nerds?

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Podcast number one, and welcome everybody to
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the, what's the name of our podcast again? Galactic
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Nerds. Galactic Nerds podcast, and I am the Gen
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X dad. Yep. And I'm here with my Gen Z daughter.
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Yep, that's me. We've been talking about doing
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a podcast together for probably over 10 years
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at this point. Close to it, yeah. Not quite,
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but almost. The timing obviously wasn't right.
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And we feel like the timing is right. And here
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we are doing it finally. And I've been very,
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very excited about this for quite a few months.
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So I only spent some money on some equipment
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and sat down. And now we're going to see how
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it goes. So for the four people out there, they're
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going to be listening to it. You're welcome.
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This, to expand a little bit, our idea for the
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podcast came about, these are conversations that
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we have ongoing almost daily. And so the things
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we're going to talk about are in the description
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for our podcast, but we're not making anything
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up. These are just conversations we have naturally
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all the time. And we thought, why don't we just
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record our conversations and share them with
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the world? We find them a little interesting.
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Maybe some other people out there find them interesting.
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So that's how we landed here. So we're going
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to talk about movies and books and music and
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other podcasts we listen to and TV shows we watch.
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All that good stuff. Whatever we're interested
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in, whatever we're nerding out in on at the time.
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I do a lot of reading, a lot of different books,
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a variety of different types of books. And so,
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yeah, we're going to touch on a lot of different
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topics. So welcome to the program. So what do
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you want to talk about first? I didn't really
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prepare a lot, to be honest. I know you have
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some ideas. I've got a few things. So do you
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want to bring up? I've been making notes for
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so many weeks in a row that some of my notes
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feel a little dated. Oh, so they're not like
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as fresh? Well, let's start with movies because
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we went and attempted to see Mandalorian Grogu.
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Yeah. And that sadly was a fail because the movie
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never started after we went to the theater and
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the theater finally came out and said, we're
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having some problems. And then we left. And then
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when we went back the following weekend to see
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it, they weren't showing it. in the theater.
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That's our favorite theater, which is the DFX
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theater. Well, we didn't, we didn't, that makes
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it sound like we drove all the way to the theater
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to see. Well, we attempted to buy the tickets.
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We looked online and it wasn't available anymore.
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Because we have our favorite theater. Well, we
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have our favorite screen and we have our favorite
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seats. And so I don't, we're very particular.
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I don't know if those are my favorite seats.
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Well, they're pretty good seats. You, you like
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them cause they're like, There's nobody by them.
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Yes. I like them because they're away from everybody
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else. I wish they were a little further back
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because I feel a little too close to the screen.
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Well, yeah, it works. It works. They're not bad.
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So we didn't get to see that. And then we went
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back. Was it a week later or two weeks later
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we went to see He -Man? I don't remember. It
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was either one or two weeks after. So we went
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to see He -Man. So I really, really, really like
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He -Man. Um, I know a lot of people did it and
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I know a friend of mine who's a huge He -Man,
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also Gen X dude. We're like very close to the
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same age and he's a huge, um, he's an artist
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and he's drawn him over and over and over. Um,
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he has his own, uh, Instagram channel and he
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actually does custom illustrations for people
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and sells, sells his artwork, but he's done He
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-Man and he was, he was. very excited very excited
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and went and saw it and he was very disappointed
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in it and i couldn't and this is before i saw
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it yeah i couldn't figure out what he was disappointed
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in so i was like well i gotta go see what he's
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like what what is he because he i'm trying to
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remember what he said now didn't he say it was
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like too corny i thought he said it was too corny
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too campy But that's He -Man though. But that's
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literally the cartoon. Yeah. It's literally the
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cartoon. If anybody's familiar with He -Man,
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if you're not, go on YouTube, look up He -Man.
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Like the whole, I think every season and every
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episode is on YouTube. It's literally like a
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meme. And, but yeah, all these people were talking
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about the meme. So I don't even know what the
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meme is. I, I miss the meme. The meme didn't.
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Well, I think He -Man, just like the cartoon
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is very meme -able. Yeah. He -Man as a character.
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Well, it came out and I think it was 82. It came
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out. Anyway, we went to see it, and I thought
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it matched the cartoon perfectly. Perfectly.
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The humor, because Skeletor's kind of goofy.
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Yeah, it was the right balance. I thought it
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was the perfect balance across the board. And
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my favorite part of it, the music. Because it
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was Brian May. Because it was Brian May. and
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Queen and they used a Queen song in the movie,
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which was, so it was like the, if you combined
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the, the movies of Highlander and the Flash Gordon,
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which Queen did both of those soundtracks in
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the eighties, they did both soundtracks to those
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films. And I love both those films. So yeah.
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So that like literally the first thing you hear
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when it starts is Brian May playing his guitar.
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And I know his guitar has a name. And it's called
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The Red Something. Oh, really? I'm embarrassed
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that I don't remember the name of his guitar.
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Fake fan. You're not a real fan. I'll have to
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look it up. But yeah, always been a huge Queen
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fan. And yeah, magnificent band. So we went and
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saw the, what was the name of that film? The
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Humane Rhapsody? No, no, no. Yeah. Is that the
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name of the movie? Yeah. Okay, yeah, the biopic.
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Is it called the biopic? Yeah, it was when I
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still worked at the theater. That's right. Yeah.
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Oh, that made me cry, that movie. It was just
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so amazing. So amazing, but it made me sad. So
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He -Man was amazing. you know there's better
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movies it wasn't like a 10 out of 10 i don't
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i have mixed feelings it was it was exactly what
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i expected i was not disappointed yeah i think
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it's been a while since we watched it so i can't
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remember all my impressions i did i i do think
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that there were certain things that i would have
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changed like creative choices. And then there
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was a moment where it felt like the, there was
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a few moments where it felt like the song choices
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that they picked were a little bit too on point.
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Like the lyrics were like exactly what was happening
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in the scene. Like I've got the power. Yeah.
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That one specifically. That one I thought was
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funny. And then the boys don't, boys don't cry.
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And I don't even know. I don't, I don't know
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what that song is. Because I never listened to
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The Cure and I'm not familiar with that song.
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I don't remember if they had the lyrics in it,
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but I know that there was like an instrumental
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in the part when he was like laying on his bed
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and it was playing that. And I was like, that's
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a little too in your face. But maybe if you don't
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know the song, I guess it's not. Anyway, I was
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happy with it. I thought it was what I expected
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it to be. Yeah, it was fun. I wasn't disappointed.
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Yeah, no, it was decent. It wasn't amazing, but
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it was all right. And then going back a little
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bit further, we once saw Hail Mary this year,
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Project Hail Mary, which I think to date is the
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best movie we've seen this year. I don't know
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if I've seen anything better. We haven't really
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watched. We still have some. We've only went
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to go see. We've seen another movie. What's the
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other movie we've seen besides those two? We've
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seen something else. I don't remember what it
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was offhand. It must not have been good if we
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can't remember it. So those are top of mind.
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Those three are top of mind because that's been
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the last few months. And then we have tickets
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for Spider -Man, which is coming up. Yeah, next
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Friday. Right, which everybody listening to this,
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it's already going to have been released and
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stuff by the time anybody listens to this podcast.
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Yeah, because we're recording this July 24th.
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So we're a week away from that. So I'm expecting
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that to be pretty good. hoping it's good i don't
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i don't expect it to be awful i think it'll at
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least be all right but the last one was really
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good it was and i don't know that's a pretty
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high bar yeah that one was yeah the best spider
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-man the best spider -man that they've made i
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wept multiple times during that movie that was
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very very good yeah very very good yeah that's
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a very very high bar i don't think it's going
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to be that good But I'm hoping it's not bad.
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Well, because I remember the end of the last
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one, I was super excited because I like Tom Holland
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as Spider -Man, but the whole way that they had
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the MCU Spider -Man, he was never by himself.
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He always either had Iron Man or all these things,
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and now he's actually the real Spider -Man by
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himself in New York. He's going to be like...
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be in spider -man and i guess the punisher is
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going to be a part of it and the hulk's going
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to be a part of it yeah i'm interested to see
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how they do that aspect i don't know what remains
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to be seen how much so and then we already have
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tickets to see yeah doomsday doomsday in december
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yeah the the day they came out the tickets came
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out i was at work and my dad texted me and he
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was like He sent me the trailer and he's like,
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can you get our tickets? Can you get our seats?
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Can you get them? And you did. I did the next
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day when I wasn't busy anymore. 24 hours later,
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which is fine because we were able to get the
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seats we wanted in the theater we wanted. Yeah.
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Well, nobody ever gets those seats, so they're
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always available. Yeah. It's a win -win. Yeah.
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And so, yeah, we're excited about that. What
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time are we at? We need to set it like a timer
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when we start. Yeah, because I don't know what
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339 seconds is. What's that divided by 60? I
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don't know. It doesn't matter. We can figure
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that out. It doesn't give you seconds and minutes.
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That is the seconds. It should say minutes, hours,
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and seconds. It's garage band. It's not going
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to. Oh, my gosh. Here, I can do. I can do quick
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math. 351 divided by 60. Like 5 .8 minutes. Oh,
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that's all? Okay. That's all? So what do you
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want to talk about now? I don't know. This was
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your idea. This whole thing was your idea. I'm
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just trying to keep... For those listening, this
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is my first time. doing any type of audio recording
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so if if the audio levels suck or if they're
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really inconsistent that's that's my fault you're
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the producer yes well and the engineer and the
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editor i'm in training this is my first time
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so you're doing a great job thanks we'll figure
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it out we'll figure it out together yep um So
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I finished a couple of books this week. Good
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books. Really, really good books. Yeah. And they
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were both by John Bevere, which is John Bevere.
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Man, I've been listening to his stuff. I was
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thinking it's got to be really close to 20 years
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at this point. I've been either reading his books
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or watching his. They used to produce DVD. Yeah.
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These big box sets that had DVDs and then there
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was a book and then there was a workbook and
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they used to sell these like bundles. yeah those
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were really big we've got we've got a number
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of those that they used to sell so but yeah the
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the awe of god is the one book which i've been
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reading that for the last few months yeah you've
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been slowly and because they were like you can
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read like one portion a day and one portion is
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only like two pages so it's more than that it
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takes a while it's like but it's like five but
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it was started kind of like ramping up And I
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was like, then I couldn't really put it down.
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And then I ended up finishing it. But it's very,
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very, very good for anybody out there listening.
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I may want to read it. Well, all of John Bevere
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books are great. I've never read a bad John Bevere
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book. And I own probably a dozen of his books
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at this point. Yeah, we have quite a few. Everything
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he does is just exceptional. That guy is just...
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Absolutely amazing teacher. So I finished that
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one and then I finished the other one. You are
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called. That's what it's called. And it's more
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of a workbook. And I went through that thing
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in like two and a half days. Yeah, you went through
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it really fast. If that. Because the further
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you go into it, like the better it gets. Yeah.
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And then it like crescendos at the end. And it's
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just like really amazing. So the. And it gave
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me a lot of, how should I say it? I don't know.
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I don't know what the word is. Because we've
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been thinking and talking and praying about doing
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this podcast for quite a while. So it kind of
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gave me some revelation. Yeah. It brought a lot
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of clarity, I think. So it kind of brought. revelation
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and clarity to some different areas and I was
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like this is the timing is perfect absolutely
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perfect for this so that was amazing that was
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an amazing day because like a whole bunch of
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things come together on that that one day yeah
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and you weren't here and then when you showed
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back up at the house I was like oh my gosh I
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got all this to share with you and then I just
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like unloaded yeah well and then up up to that
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point like I could I could see like very clearly
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that you were like I could see and perceive that
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this is something you wanted to do and like I
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could understand that it was something that we
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probably were supposed to do but it's still like
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the timing didn't feel right it felt like there
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was still some things missing like some things
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that needed to like be clarified before it felt
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right and then after we had that conversation
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it like helped well going back like a few months
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like I felt like now was the time to do a podcast
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not necessarily thinking I need to do it with
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you, but I was just thinking now this feels like
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the right time to do one. I don't know. I don't
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know. God just prompted me with that. So I was
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thinking, you know, that's kind of what I was,
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I was on my heart and I kept trying to move forward
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and it would, I couldn't move. It was the weirdest,
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you know, it's just Holy Spirit. But everything
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I tried to do, I was like being stopped. Like,
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like my background is being a creative. person
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i've worked in the creative space at multiple
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jobs for like over the last 30 years so i've
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kind of flow in the creative areas you know and
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i could not move it was like i tried and tried
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and i was like maybe two weeks into it i was
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like i don't think i'm supposed to do this by
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myself because and then so we had this very very
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brief conversation And I can't remember exactly
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what you said, but you were kind of in agreement
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with like, maybe I'm supposed to do it with you.
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Well, you said something about like a co -host,
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something like you felt like you needed a co
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-host. And then I was like, I'll be your co -host.
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That's right. I was kind of joking, kind of serious.
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I didn't really seriously think about it. And
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then afterwards I was like, oh. But immediately.
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The floodgates opened. Yeah. Like, immediately.
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So I was like, oh, there's a confirmation. Like,
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because I was stuck. I was stuck. I was stuck.
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And I worked really hard to try to move this
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thing, and nothing was moving. Yeah. And I'm
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like, something's not right. I'm missing something.
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And then as soon as you said that, it was like,
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whoosh. It was like, all these creative ideas
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came, and then we started talking about. I think
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that's when the whole Gen X dad, Gen Z daughter,
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you know, different perspectives, different generations
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talking about similar topics. But obviously we
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have very different, not very different views.
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We have different views because we're different
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people. We're from different generations. Yeah.
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Not that we always disagree, but there are things
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we disagree about. Yeah, like music. taste well
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we have a little little tiny sliver of overlap
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there's a little tiny sliver of overlap you probably
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overlap a little bit more with mom no i don't
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i don't know about that mom's mom's taste of
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music's a little questionable well my nothing
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that i listen to other than like worship music
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overflows with mom that's like the only thing
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well i feel like there's a little more similar
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Because the non -Christian music that mom knows
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or would know of is very 80s -like. Yeah, and
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I don't like any of it. Yeah, I'm not a big fan
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either. It's all the music they played for when
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she played basketball. I know. So it's all that
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hype music. And I don't like any of that music.
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Yeah, that's not my kind of music either. But
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yeah, we do have, and I've tried to get you on.
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bored with a lot of music that i've liked and
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you're just like i like yellow they're they're
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decent yeah i'm trying to think if there's that's
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the one any other queen queen's all right yeah
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it depends on the song the song yeah um like
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and i'm not saying like any of these artists
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are bad they're just not my like go -to vibe
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and i honestly don't listen to I listen to almost
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no secular music anymore. Yeah, same. I pretty
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much listen to all Christian -related music.
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Yeah. Well, there's a lot of really good Christian
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artists now. But it's not that I don't like that
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music. It's just not great to listen to all the
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time. It doesn't put you in a good head space.
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No, it's not edifying in the least. At all. But
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oh my gosh, that's what I grew up on. So it's
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just like part of me. It's part of my DNA. growing
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up with that you can't grow up in the 70s and
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the 80s and not you know yeah be familiar with
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all of that music of that period and then my
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dad was very much into music so yeah he still
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is so he played music from probably the 40s 50s
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and 60s and then on into the 70s but even in
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the 70s he liked the older stuff yeah yeah he
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really likes the old stuff a lot of the probably
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mostly 50s and 60s but not even like like rock
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music he likes a lot of the like kind of folk
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he's folk yeah folk or country and western is
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what's johnny cash considered it's kind of blues
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um blues well he's kind of changed with time
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his career well like early on i learned about
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this early on i can't even remember early on
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was like almost like rockabilly it was very really
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yeah Little country, little, because rock and
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roll really, I don't know. It was kind of a blurry,
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it was a blurry time. But his Johnny Cash is,
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my favorite stuff that he ever did was the stuff
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he did at the very end of his life. He recorded
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all of those albums. I don't even know how many
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albums. There was quite a few albums he recorded
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with. What's the producer? I was telling you
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his name the other day. You're like, I've never
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heard of him. Rick Rubin. Oh, yeah. So Rick Rubin
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produced a whole bunch of Johnny Cash stuff at
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the very end of his life. And that stuff is really
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amazing. So much heart. And then he re -recorded
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the, what's the name of the song, Hurt? Yeah.
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That song will just bring you to tears listening
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to it, especially if you watch the video. because
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it shows his wife and it's just like, it'll just
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rip your guts out. That's, that's like, I cannot
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watch that video and listen to that song without
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like tearing up. Cause it's so emotional. Cause
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his wife had passed away before they recorded
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that. And cause they are, they only died a few
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months apart. That's sad. Um, but they were together
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a long, long time. It wasn't, um, wasn't her,
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was her name June Carter? She was like, well,
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her maiden name was Carter. Yeah, she was one
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of those. She went by June Carter Cash or Jane
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Cash. Singers. Yeah, because the Carter family
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were like massive, massive music industry people.
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And oh my gosh, going back, like way, way, way
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back. Yeah. And that was very, very, very folk
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type music. Yeah, we learned about that in my
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music intro to American pop music. In college?
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Yeah. College class, yeah. yeah johnny but mom
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doesn't like johnny i i would rather listen to
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johnny than who was it i was talking to somebody
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about something the other day and it was like
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i would rather listen to johnny cash than so
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i can't remember what artist it was old like
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old artist or old band i can't i can't remember
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oh come on it feels like a significant conversation
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that i had and i'm i'm kicking myself that i
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can't remember who it was that i would have rather
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take notes we've got a podcast now we gotta remember
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these things so people are like what are you
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guys talking about i feel like it was a conversation
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i had with uh when when cousin was over i was
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talking with mom i don't remember it'll come
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to me at some point okay but yeah And then there
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was silence. Yes. Cue Simon and Garfunkel. Sound
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of silence. I heard somebody do a cover of that
00:24:01.349 --> 00:24:02.990
the other day, and I can't remember who did it,
00:24:03.009 --> 00:24:05.349
but it was very different. I was like, whoa.
00:24:06.069 --> 00:24:10.170
Was it like an 80s synth pop cover? No, it was,
00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:13.309
oh my goodness. I was just telling you, you need
00:24:13.309 --> 00:24:15.460
to make notes. And I'm like. I didn't expect
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this to come up in my memory banks. Well, exactly.
00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:20.099
I didn't expect that to come up. Something came
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:24.160
up recently. I saw it probably on Instagram or
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something, and they were doing a cover of it,
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and it was very melodramatic. It was very slow.
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It was similar to the original. It wasn't like
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an up -res version or anything. Is it Nine Inch
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Nails that does a cover of it? There's a certain...
00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:44.109
Oh, yeah, yeah. There's like... Yeah. Is that
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the one you're talking about? No, no, no. No,
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this is like within the last couple of weeks
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I saw it. It's not old. It's like new, something
00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:54.329
new. Oh. But I don't remember what it was. If
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it pops up again, I'll try to remember. There's
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one song that I really like that I have been
00:25:02.170 --> 00:25:08.990
listening to recently. I found it a few weeks
00:25:08.990 --> 00:25:11.650
ago, so I like had it on repeat for a while.
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:14.380
Because that's what I do when I find a song that
00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:16.599
I really like. You play it until you can't stand
00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:20.160
it anymore? Yeah. I'm considering it enough to
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.619
when I drive people in my car, I will shuffle
00:25:22.619 --> 00:25:25.539
other songs. But when I'm alone in my car, it's
00:25:25.539 --> 00:25:28.200
like the same three songs. I don't do the same
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.200
song over and over again. I do kind of like three
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or four to kind of give myself a breather so
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I can enjoy it longer. Yeah. I don't know, maybe
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.220
it's just the way I am being a Gen Xer, but if
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I hear a song that I like, I'll immediately go
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.019
to the album and listen to the entire album over
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and over because songs are usually made to be
00:25:47.059 --> 00:25:49.339
listened to together with the other songs on
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the album. That's the way music used to be made.
00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:54.460
Yeah. Because they're cohesive. I don't know
00:25:54.460 --> 00:25:56.960
if that's even a thing anymore. I think some
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.599
artists will view it that way because there are
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.519
some albums that I've listened to. I think like
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21 Pilots. Their albums kind of, the songs kind
00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:07.960
of blend into each other if you listen to them.
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.220
But other artists, it's like they're all just.
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I couldn't tell you what 21 Pilots is. I don't
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:20.079
even know how to describe. I might, if I heard
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.299
some of their music, I might know what they are.
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.420
But offhand, I don't know any of their music.
00:26:24.619 --> 00:26:27.500
They're very, they have a very unique sound because
00:26:27.500 --> 00:26:30.240
they're kind of always developing and changing,
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.480
I feel like. i don't know i'm not i'm not a man
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.440
has all the crazy videos what do you mean they
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.799
have this whole like huge story they tell with
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.559
all their videos yeah yeah they have a bunch
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.140
of more right yeah yeah okay so i'm a little
00:26:45.140 --> 00:26:47.720
bit familiar with them so somebody that i follow
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:51.380
online that i've become friends with he also
00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:54.740
has a podcast um he's a big fan of theirs and
00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:56.500
i think that's how i found out about them originally
00:26:56.500 --> 00:27:00.240
and i i watched a couple of their videos Well,
00:27:00.259 --> 00:27:03.839
I showed you one a few months back. Yeah, you
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.180
did. Because I really liked the song a lot. And
00:27:07.180 --> 00:27:11.900
it's not really my thing. Yeah. It's very different.
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.519
Yeah, I'm not, I wouldn't necessarily call myself
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.420
a fan. I think some of their songs are really
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:23.000
like well done. Yeah. I just don't listen. They've
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:24.839
been around for quite a while, right? It seems
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:26.839
like I've heard that name going back a long time,
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:29.390
like 20 years or so. Probably pretty close to
00:27:29.390 --> 00:27:35.289
it, yeah. I was going to say someone's name.
00:27:35.369 --> 00:27:38.390
I was like, you know, so -and -so is a fan. We'll
00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:41.930
just say friend. Friend is a fan of 21 Pilots.
00:27:42.950 --> 00:27:46.250
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's probably
00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:50.829
a generational thing because I don't know anybody
00:27:50.829 --> 00:27:52.390
in my generation that would listen to it, but
00:27:52.390 --> 00:27:54.930
I don't know. Maybe mom would, but mom's my age,
00:27:55.029 --> 00:27:59.059
so she's not a different generation. yeah no
00:27:59.059 --> 00:28:01.119
because you guys are only three years apart but
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:05.019
we listen to very different music she likes more
00:28:05.019 --> 00:28:08.839
poppy i don't even know what mom's taste in music
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:13.200
is she's an enigma she is probably because she's
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.339
not as into music as we are yeah that's because
00:28:15.339 --> 00:28:19.900
we like love love love music like in our core
00:28:19.900 --> 00:28:24.829
yeah and have like our entire lives So you got
00:28:24.829 --> 00:28:27.650
that from me, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Well, I think
00:28:27.650 --> 00:28:30.730
literally there's so many things that I'm interested
00:28:30.730 --> 00:28:34.609
in that were just like grown and cultivated by
00:28:34.609 --> 00:28:38.710
you. And then the rest is just like mom, me and
00:28:38.710 --> 00:28:41.890
mom. Yeah. Just chit chatting. Well, music and
00:28:41.890 --> 00:28:45.630
movies. Yeah. Music, movies, comics, like all
00:28:45.630 --> 00:28:51.779
the nerdy things. Yeah. Yeah. like like yeah
00:28:51.779 --> 00:28:54.160
it's it's funny looking back now because it's
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.420
like what i've considered myself a nerd in the
00:28:56.420 --> 00:28:58.880
80s no because we were all the same like all
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.619
the gen xers are like all the same but now we're
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:03.599
like considered like nerdy if we're into all
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.400
these things were you a nerd though i don't know
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:09.519
i don't think you were nerdy enough to be a nerd
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:16.619
well i'm not like i don't know how do you rate
00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:20.349
your nerds On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being
00:29:20.349 --> 00:29:22.869
like the nerdiest nerd you will ever meet and
00:29:22.869 --> 00:29:27.910
1 being like not nerdy at all. I think it depends
00:29:27.910 --> 00:29:29.710
on the topic. I was talking to my friend the
00:29:29.710 --> 00:29:34.130
other day, and we went to coffee, and he's very
00:29:34.130 --> 00:29:37.470
nerdy. He's probably my nerdiest friend. Good
00:29:37.470 --> 00:29:42.309
dude. Love him. he said something to me that
00:29:42.309 --> 00:29:45.049
made perfect sense but he's like he goes i'm
00:29:45.049 --> 00:29:47.250
a i'm a nerd and i look like a nerd you're a
00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:49.349
nerd but you don't look like yeah you're undercover
00:29:49.349 --> 00:29:51.930
he goes so you can get away with things that
00:29:51.930 --> 00:29:56.809
i can't like what and uh just i think because
00:29:56.809 --> 00:29:59.569
i can kind of like fly under the radar like i
00:29:59.569 --> 00:30:02.250
can still talk they're nerdy yeah but if you
00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:03.950
looked at me you wouldn't necessarily connect
00:30:03.950 --> 00:30:06.789
those dots unless you're wearing like your your
00:30:06.789 --> 00:30:10.059
star wars or your I don't know. Guardians t -shirts.
00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:12.920
I don't know. You're too cool looking. I don't
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:18.500
know. I don't think I'm cool. Other people think
00:30:18.500 --> 00:30:20.539
I'm cool. I've never really been cool my entire
00:30:20.539 --> 00:30:23.339
life. Yeah, I don't think that's true. People
00:30:23.339 --> 00:30:29.680
think I'm, I don't know. I don't know. I have
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:31.759
a lot of interests. Yeah. In a lot of different
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.680
areas. So my knowledge base is kind of vast.
00:30:36.619 --> 00:30:39.440
And I can talk in depth on to a lot of different
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.279
things. And he's kind of that way, too. But his
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.240
he's he goes way, way, way deeper on things.
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.380
So he's a true, true nerd. He's a true. He would
00:30:48.380 --> 00:30:51.599
be he would be like probably a nine and a half
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.259
out of 10. I feel I feel like that's kind of
00:30:54.259 --> 00:30:56.160
the difference. And I'm probably like a five.
00:30:57.460 --> 00:31:02.150
Yeah, I think you're more of a geek. I'm trying
00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:04.309
to remember what the technical definition is
00:31:04.309 --> 00:31:05.509
for each of them. You can look it up on your
00:31:05.509 --> 00:31:09.529
phone. Yeah, because I think geek is a little
00:31:09.529 --> 00:31:12.630
less than a nerd. So a less of a nerd becomes
00:31:12.630 --> 00:31:15.369
a geek? Yeah, well, I think nerds are really
00:31:15.369 --> 00:31:18.309
hardcore. They know a ton of information about
00:31:18.309 --> 00:31:20.670
specific topics. I think geeks are a little more
00:31:20.670 --> 00:31:22.809
chill. So you're only a nerd if it's depending
00:31:22.809 --> 00:31:25.069
on the topic? Well, here, let me look it up.
00:31:25.069 --> 00:31:27.490
Because if we're talking about old cars, I mean,
00:31:27.529 --> 00:31:30.329
I can talk to you for days and days and days
00:31:30.329 --> 00:31:36.519
and weeks. years okay according to google google
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:40.140
ai it says a geek is generally defined as an
00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:43.119
enthusiastic fan obsessed with specific pop culture
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.819
or niche interests like sci -fi gaming or collecting
00:31:45.819 --> 00:31:49.119
a nerd is typically characterized by high intellect
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.079
and deep technical or academic focus and is often
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.680
stereotyped as being more socially awkward so
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:59.039
i i think i'm a geek that's socially awkward
00:32:00.619 --> 00:32:02.559
Great. So you just named our podcast the wrong
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.980
name? Well, I don't know. You might be... We
00:32:05.980 --> 00:32:07.960
should have named it Galactic Geeks instead of
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.680
Galactic Nerds. Galactic Nerds sounds better.
00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:14.960
Galactic Geeks doesn't quite roll off the tongue
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.160
as easily. Well, we're going to stick with it
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.319
because that's the name I come up with. Yeah.
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.259
And I like it. It's too late to go back now.
00:32:22.339 --> 00:32:24.000
It's too late to go back. You already designed
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:30.839
the logo. Right. So... I don't know. It probably
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.720
just depends on who you ask. Because I can talk
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.079
in depth about some pretty nerdy stuff. Yeah.
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:41.880
It depends on the topic. But I'm just both. I'm
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:43.700
a geek and a nerd, I guess. It just depends on
00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:47.779
the topic. Yeah. But whatever. Let's just not
00:32:47.779 --> 00:32:50.259
put everybody in a box, okay? Yeah. We're all
00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:54.579
nerds at heart. It is what it is. It is what
00:32:54.579 --> 00:32:59.859
it is. Oh, I think I forgot to mention at the
00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:01.640
beginning when we were introducing ourselves
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.099
that we're both considered introverts. Yeah.
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.799
So this is a very introverted, socially awkward
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:17.000
podcast. I tend to be a little less socially
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.019
awkward. I kind of fall in the middle. Well,
00:33:20.019 --> 00:33:23.400
thanks, Dad. I'm kind of in the middle. It really
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:28.169
depends on where I'm at and who I'm with. Have
00:33:28.169 --> 00:33:31.509
you ever done the Myers -Briggs test? I've done
00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:33.269
it multiple times and I've got different things.
00:33:33.549 --> 00:33:35.069
I don't put a lot of confidence in those. You've
00:33:35.069 --> 00:33:37.329
never had one administered by a professional
00:33:37.329 --> 00:33:40.690
though, right? Have you? Yes. One of the jobs
00:33:40.690 --> 00:33:43.369
I've had, HR came in and gave everybody a Myers
00:33:43.369 --> 00:33:44.650
-Briggs test. That's interesting. It was a 100
00:33:44.650 --> 00:33:49.759
-question test. How many is it normally? I think
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:51.920
it's a hundred questions. Oh, so you just took
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.279
it in a professional capacity. Yeah. I took it
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:58.700
in a professional capacity for my job for the
00:33:58.700 --> 00:34:02.319
HR department. And I, and I rated like right
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.640
in the middle. So I'm, I'm not an extrovert and
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.400
I'm not an introvert and depending on, I'm like
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.199
right in the middle, but it, mine depends on
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:22.139
who I'm with. So you're an ambivert? Um, Yes,
00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:26.340
but I'm never, it depends on who I'm with. So
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:29.280
if, because they, they, the way they classify
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.699
it is like, if you're, if you're energized by
00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:37.699
being around extroverts and I'm not because it
00:34:37.699 --> 00:34:41.039
trains me. Being around extroverts? Yeah. Or
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:43.780
being extroverted. Like, I don't know. Just being
00:34:43.780 --> 00:34:46.039
social. Are you energized by being social? I
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:48.909
think that's. Not really. Okay, then you're an
00:34:48.909 --> 00:34:50.789
introvert. I like small scale things. I don't
00:34:50.789 --> 00:34:53.210
like large groups of people. I like small groups.
00:34:53.510 --> 00:34:56.190
That's introverts. Yeah. So I definitely lean
00:34:56.190 --> 00:34:59.769
hard towards introverts, but in very specific
00:34:59.769 --> 00:35:03.949
situations, if I'm in a group of introverts,
00:35:04.090 --> 00:35:06.650
I'm probably the most extroverted of the introverts.
00:35:07.769 --> 00:35:09.909
Yeah, that makes sense. You know what I mean?
00:35:10.070 --> 00:35:15.039
Yeah. So, because I'm not... like I can talk
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.340
to anybody anywhere anytime about almost any
00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:19.400
topic well I think that's just having social
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:23.260
skills maybe I didn't have those when I was young
00:35:23.260 --> 00:35:25.219
those were those are just like learned skills
00:35:25.219 --> 00:35:28.440
like I didn't really start just probably in my
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.289
20s before I started like really you know yeah
00:35:32.289 --> 00:35:34.710
and it's just having a lot of it's having jobs
00:35:34.710 --> 00:35:37.329
that kind of force you to learn like especially
00:35:37.329 --> 00:35:39.969
like having phone skills which i think are very
00:35:39.969 --> 00:35:41.889
very lacking nowadays like people don't know
00:35:41.889 --> 00:35:44.389
how to answer the phone my i feel like my generation
00:35:44.389 --> 00:35:47.929
hates hates phone calls or just being like customer
00:35:47.929 --> 00:35:50.610
service it's just kind of like going out the
00:35:50.610 --> 00:35:53.010
window it's like what's customer service yeah
00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:56.050
i don't know it depends it depends on where you
00:35:56.050 --> 00:35:59.449
go yeah depends on the company probably and then
00:35:59.449 --> 00:36:02.230
how much they enforce that yeah because some
00:36:02.230 --> 00:36:05.349
like some people some companies have like really
00:36:05.349 --> 00:36:07.269
great customer service and i think that they
00:36:07.269 --> 00:36:10.369
only hire people who can provide that yeah and
00:36:10.369 --> 00:36:12.150
then other companies it's just like they don't
00:36:12.150 --> 00:36:14.590
really care yeah and then thankfully the last
00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:19.550
like 20 25 years probably in fact all the about
00:36:19.550 --> 00:36:21.690
all the creative jobs i had i think only had
00:36:21.690 --> 00:36:30.039
one two three Maybe of the 30 years I spent doing
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:32.260
it in the creative space, maybe five of those
00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:34.480
years I had to interact with the public, and
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.699
the rest of those companies were internal creative
00:36:37.699 --> 00:36:41.239
positions. Dang. So I just had to interact with
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:45.719
other fellow people. That's nice. In some companies
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.920
I was the only creative person there, and then
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:52.239
in other companies I was like one of 30 people
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:56.530
there. That's a lot. Yeah. 30 creatives? Yeah.
00:36:56.670 --> 00:36:59.769
Well, even more than that, I was just, I think
00:36:59.769 --> 00:37:01.710
one company I went to work for, there was about
00:37:01.710 --> 00:37:06.349
25 when I started and then it blew up to probably
00:37:06.349 --> 00:37:10.849
close to 50, um, during the time working there.
00:37:10.909 --> 00:37:13.650
But yeah, they, they really expanded a lot. So
00:37:13.650 --> 00:37:20.630
it was fun. A lot of you may working. And anytime
00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:23.449
you have the opportunity to work with other designers
00:37:23.449 --> 00:37:25.809
and other creative people, it always makes you
00:37:25.809 --> 00:37:28.230
a better, better, better at what you do. Yeah.
00:37:28.570 --> 00:37:31.409
Because I've had a lot of jobs where I was the
00:37:31.409 --> 00:37:33.670
only creative and you're just kind of like, you're
00:37:33.670 --> 00:37:35.489
the creative guy, do your creative thing. Well,
00:37:35.510 --> 00:37:37.429
and then everyone's like, oh, wow, you're so
00:37:37.429 --> 00:37:39.809
good. And you don't get that, that feedback to
00:37:39.809 --> 00:37:42.829
challenge you to, to grow or to like improve.
00:37:43.849 --> 00:37:45.650
Yeah. And when I worked alone, those are the
00:37:45.650 --> 00:37:47.889
early jobs that I had. So that's really when
00:37:47.889 --> 00:37:50.840
you're trying to. trying to learn and grow and
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.699
learn the software and they're pushing out new
00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:56.900
software upgrades you know all the time and you
00:37:56.900 --> 00:37:59.579
know all kinds of things but um yeah anytime
00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:01.559
you work with a large group of creatives it's
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.699
it was even even one yeah even one more person
00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:09.239
yeah i worked with a guy for a while um and he
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.420
was just fantastic to work with he was uh Very
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:14.539
inspirational. That's really cool. And we were,
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.260
we had very different skills. So we really complimented
00:38:18.260 --> 00:38:20.340
each other and what we did. We did the same job,
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.820
but we did it differently. And so that was great.
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:26.820
I really, I was depressed when he resigned because
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.320
he actually went back to school full time. Oh,
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.780
wow. But he also moved to Los Angeles to go back
00:38:31.780 --> 00:38:34.340
to school full time. So he just literally moved
00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:37.679
out of the area and moved to LA. And that was
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.539
sad. I really liked working with him. I only
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:41.960
like. It was probably a couple years later I
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.599
connected with him one time and ended up having
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:46.159
a phone conversation with him, and I've never
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.079
seen him since. It's kind of sad. I'd love to
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.940
reconnect with him because it's been probably
00:38:51.940 --> 00:38:54.260
25 years since I've seen him or talked to him.
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.599
Dang. He knows where he's at and what he's doing.
00:38:56.940 --> 00:38:59.840
Maybe someday. Maybe someday. Sometimes people
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.000
pop back up in your life. You just don't never
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:07.480
know. Yeah, for real. But, yeah, he was really
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:12.179
great to work with. You learn a lot at different
00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:14.219
jobs. I've had a number of different jobs through
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:17.300
the years, and you're always learning and growing
00:39:17.300 --> 00:39:21.219
as a person, not only as a designer or creative
00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:24.119
person, but just as a person as a whole because
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:31.760
you work with a wide variety of people. So we
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:36.420
didn't really have a super detailed plan about
00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:39.420
how we were going to. structure structure this
00:39:39.420 --> 00:39:42.139
and specific conversations we were going to have
00:39:42.139 --> 00:39:46.159
we just kind of approached it with a very carefree
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.840
approach and uh so that's that's why we're a
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.900
little bit not flying by the seat of our pants
00:39:53.900 --> 00:39:58.099
maybe a little rambly maybe not super i'm not
00:39:58.099 --> 00:40:02.079
put together but i'm not a super structured organized
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:06.780
person i mean i i like i like to try to be Oh,
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:08.940
I like the thought of it. Yeah, I make lists.
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.420
Do I follow the lists? No, I just make more lists,
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:17.440
and then I have a little pile of lists. Yeah,
00:40:17.539 --> 00:40:22.719
I think part of that, I don't know, there's left
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.639
-brained people and right -brained people, and
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.340
I don't know which one I am, but I'm the one
00:40:27.340 --> 00:40:31.460
that's creative. Is that left or right -brained?
00:40:32.090 --> 00:40:34.070
I think it's right brain. Right brain does the
00:40:34.070 --> 00:40:39.349
creative. I think so. You either tend to be really
00:40:39.349 --> 00:40:41.849
analytical and very structured and organized
00:40:41.849 --> 00:40:44.869
like an engineer, or you tend to be very creative
00:40:44.869 --> 00:40:49.869
and not as organized, which it's kind of a...
00:40:49.869 --> 00:40:52.190
I feel like there's some people that are both,
00:40:52.289 --> 00:40:54.250
though, because you're creative, but you're creative
00:40:54.250 --> 00:40:58.469
in different ways. Well... Like it's manifesting
00:40:58.469 --> 00:41:03.730
in a different way. Yeah. I like structure and
00:41:03.730 --> 00:41:07.809
I like timeliness. So I'm structured that way.
00:41:07.849 --> 00:41:09.969
I don't like being late to things. I don't either.
00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:18.289
I like being early to things. But on the creative
00:41:18.289 --> 00:41:23.969
side, I've always been a very, very creative
00:41:23.969 --> 00:41:28.170
person from a very young age. Which is kind of
00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:30.429
funny because when I got older, it's like I saw...
00:41:30.860 --> 00:41:33.900
I wanted to go in the military from a pretty
00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:35.639
young age, which is interesting because that's
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.920
like so far removed from being creative. And
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:40.659
then I saw Top Gun and then I wanted to be a
00:41:40.659 --> 00:41:43.739
pilot like every kid in the 80s. Saw Top Gun
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:46.199
and was like, I want to go in the Navy and become
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:52.840
a fighter pilot. And so that never really come
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.059
together as far as going in the military. But
00:41:55.059 --> 00:41:59.340
I love the military. I just never went that direction
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:04.739
due to... various reasons. But, um, I was very
00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:06.559
into art in high school, did lots and lots of
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.340
art in high school. Loved it. Had a wonderful
00:42:09.340 --> 00:42:12.519
art teacher, got out of high school, went right
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.900
to college to study art. But at the time there
00:42:16.900 --> 00:42:20.360
was no, the graphic arts program at the time,
00:42:20.380 --> 00:42:22.500
there was no computers. Like computers were like
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:24.920
not a thing. Like you would go to a typesetting
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.260
class and do paste up. Cause you, you graduated
00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:33.380
in 89. Yeah. Yeah. So I went to school and I
00:42:33.380 --> 00:42:36.440
did, you know, figure drawing, not figure drawing,
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.239
basic drawing and color and design. And those
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.280
were all wonderful classes. Yeah. And then, but
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:48.260
I also loved cars. And so. Well, that's creative
00:42:48.260 --> 00:42:50.300
too. It's very creative because I went to for
00:42:50.300 --> 00:42:52.199
a lot of body and paint program. So through that
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.860
program. So, which is very, very creative. Like,
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:57.900
I don't know if people understand there's a lot
00:42:57.900 --> 00:43:01.030
of creativity and. in that and doing body and
00:43:01.030 --> 00:43:03.530
paint work. And, uh, and it's not like collision
00:43:03.530 --> 00:43:05.869
repair. It's like custom body and paint on like
00:43:05.869 --> 00:43:09.809
custom cars. So, um, so I did that for a few
00:43:09.809 --> 00:43:13.849
years and I discovered that I really like doing
00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:15.809
it on my own and I really didn't like doing it
00:43:15.809 --> 00:43:20.190
for a shop. Yeah. And then, so anyway, anyway,
00:43:20.610 --> 00:43:23.610
ended up back in school to do, to do graphic
00:43:23.610 --> 00:43:27.989
design and, you know, the whole, um, program
00:43:27.989 --> 00:43:32.369
with, The computers were just coming online to
00:43:32.369 --> 00:43:36.670
be able to do graphics with. But I've always
00:43:36.670 --> 00:43:38.329
had, and I asked you the other day, and you're
00:43:38.329 --> 00:43:39.730
like, no, I don't really have that. I wish I
00:43:39.730 --> 00:43:43.969
did. But I have this internal desire to be creative
00:43:43.969 --> 00:43:50.710
that's like I have to be creative. There's a
00:43:50.710 --> 00:43:54.809
drive that's within me as a person to be creative.
00:43:55.170 --> 00:43:58.840
I don't necessarily think I do. don't have that
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:04.699
completely i think i just like push it away unconsciously
00:44:04.699 --> 00:44:07.860
or like i ignore it yeah because i think i do
00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:09.860
get it sometimes it's just not something that
00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:13.059
i pay attention to yeah and i have it in it and
00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:15.900
it honestly does come and go as well depending
00:44:15.900 --> 00:44:22.820
on what i'm doing but um before any well because
00:44:22.820 --> 00:44:24.679
i've worked in the creative space for so long
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.320
I was always being creative, like I was creative
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.420
for a job, so I didn't really have a super strong
00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:33.260
desire to necessarily do creative things outside
00:44:33.260 --> 00:44:34.960
of work, even though I did do creative things
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.059
outside of work for myself. But I did it so much
00:44:38.059 --> 00:44:41.860
that I was kind of always satisfying that desire
00:44:41.860 --> 00:44:45.619
to be creative. But I've been kind of removed
00:44:45.619 --> 00:44:50.320
from that for a few years now, not doing graphic
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:54.980
design. for it's almost four years actually september
00:44:54.980 --> 00:44:57.179
will be four years so yeah we're in july right
00:44:57.179 --> 00:45:00.800
now so i've not worked on the computer for four
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.260
years as a make you know to make a living and
00:45:05.260 --> 00:45:09.980
so and i can't really work on the computer due
00:45:09.980 --> 00:45:12.340
to some medical issues that i'm dealing with
00:45:12.340 --> 00:45:14.380
that i'll probably go into in a future podcast
00:45:14.380 --> 00:45:18.500
so it's very difficult to be creative and have
00:45:18.500 --> 00:45:21.269
a creative outlet when previously have always
00:45:21.269 --> 00:45:24.429
done it on the computer yeah but not having that
00:45:24.429 --> 00:45:28.409
out that way that output you know like the ability
00:45:28.409 --> 00:45:31.150
to express so i've been doing a little bit of
00:45:31.150 --> 00:45:34.989
more traditional art which i've not really done
00:45:34.989 --> 00:45:38.250
much of since high school yeah i don't i don't
00:45:38.250 --> 00:45:40.210
remember you ever really doing any like when
00:45:40.210 --> 00:45:43.510
i was growing up no so i really enjoy it well
00:45:43.510 --> 00:45:45.150
i well when i got out of high school i wanted
00:45:45.150 --> 00:45:48.349
to be an illustrator oh that's what i wanted
00:45:48.349 --> 00:45:52.280
to do yeah But that meant going away to school
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.340
because there wasn't really a program here locally.
00:45:54.500 --> 00:45:56.440
So I meant literally going away to art school.
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.320
Yeah, and you didn't want to do that. And I didn't
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:04.219
really want to do that. Yeah. And so due to,
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.519
you know, different reasons. But that was like
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:12.960
a long, long, long way from home. Yeah, and you're
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.800
definitely a homebody. I'm a homebody. Yeah,
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:17.760
our whole family is a bunch of homebodies. And
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.210
not really wanting. Yeah, I don't know. And it
00:46:21.210 --> 00:46:24.989
was expensive. Yeah. So it was very expensive.
00:46:25.010 --> 00:46:27.730
It was very far away. And I was like, I didn't
00:46:27.730 --> 00:46:29.769
have a scholarship or anything from high school
00:46:29.769 --> 00:46:33.630
to go. And I was like, eh. So that didn't happen.
00:46:34.530 --> 00:46:36.989
So traditional art, yeah, I had not really done
00:46:36.989 --> 00:46:40.469
a lot of. I don't know if it was in junior high.
00:46:42.030 --> 00:46:43.730
I'm trying to remember how far back it was or
00:46:43.730 --> 00:46:45.750
maybe I was already in high school. But I started
00:46:45.750 --> 00:46:47.650
doing pen and ink. I really loved pen and ink.
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:49.719
just black and white pen and ink. So I did a
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:53.280
lot of that stuff when I was younger, um, with
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:58.219
a quill pen, dip ink, and, um, and really, really
00:46:58.219 --> 00:47:00.940
loved that a lot. And then gone to high school
00:47:00.940 --> 00:47:03.639
and did some other things, did pencil and charcoal
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:09.139
and, um, actual painting, you know, with acrylic
00:47:09.139 --> 00:47:12.159
paints. And then, you know, I eventually did
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:17.260
some oil paints. Um, but Pen and ink has always
00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:21.219
kind of been like the thing I've loved. You know,
00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:23.599
it's very, been very high, high at the top. Yeah.
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.760
Um, and then that kind of plays into the comic
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:30.239
book style. Yeah. Well, it's a cool style. My
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.000
just absolutely love of comic books and the comic
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:38.300
book, um, style of artwork. Yeah. Um, just doing
00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:41.159
that was just like, and I never, I mean, I always
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.139
loved comic books, but I never really. created
00:47:44.139 --> 00:47:48.739
a comic book you never really like read any comics
00:47:48.739 --> 00:47:50.780
did you you were just more into like the art
00:47:50.780 --> 00:47:54.679
i was heavily the the stories were always secondary
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.559
to me yeah and the art was always first yeah
00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:59.739
and the cover art was always number one yeah
00:47:59.739 --> 00:48:01.420
because the interior and i learned this with
00:48:01.420 --> 00:48:03.079
comics i always put the best art on the cover
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.320
and you open it up and you're like oh my gosh
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.760
what is this stuff well i mean this is the old
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.369
this is the old you know this is the 80s I'm
00:48:11.369 --> 00:48:13.809
talking about the newer stuff got a lot better.
00:48:14.050 --> 00:48:16.090
Well, it's a different era. Different era of
00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:19.809
comics. Yeah. I think it was the 80s is when
00:48:19.809 --> 00:48:23.409
they started to have more darker comics. Yeah.
00:48:23.590 --> 00:48:26.190
Because I think that's when The Watchmen came
00:48:26.190 --> 00:48:28.670
out and Batman started to get a little darker
00:48:28.670 --> 00:48:29.210
and everything. Yeah, I never really read The
00:48:29.210 --> 00:48:32.090
Watchmen. But I liked kind of the obscure things
00:48:32.090 --> 00:48:36.090
like Sergeant Rock. Because it had to do with
00:48:36.090 --> 00:48:38.840
World War II. Yeah. Like I really loved. And
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:40.960
that's still some of my favorite artwork that
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:42.880
was ever done, like the Sergeant Rock artwork
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.659
and just some various other. I mean, I gave you
00:48:47.659 --> 00:48:49.360
all my comic books, you know, all the comic books
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.739
I've had since I was a little kid. Well, you
00:48:51.739 --> 00:48:54.480
had some that you said you sold, like you had
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:56.199
the Wolverine comics. I had the Wolverine number
00:48:56.199 --> 00:49:00.719
one. I sold it to my neighbor for like, I don't
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.340
even know. Like $4? Maybe $8. It was less than
00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:10.690
$20, I'm sure. Yeah. And it was probably beat
00:49:10.690 --> 00:49:13.329
up. It probably wouldn't be worth more than that
00:49:13.329 --> 00:49:16.610
today. But I remember buying that comic book,
00:49:16.690 --> 00:49:19.769
Wolverine number one. Like brand new? Yeah, I
00:49:19.769 --> 00:49:22.030
bought it off the spinner rack at a liquor store.
00:49:22.289 --> 00:49:24.750
Oh, wow. Like I remember buying it. That's the
00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:27.949
only comic book I remember buying. It was a core
00:49:27.949 --> 00:49:30.369
memory for you. Core memory, yeah. And so every
00:49:30.369 --> 00:49:33.250
time I see that comic book, the image pops up
00:49:33.250 --> 00:49:35.210
online because I don't own it anymore. Yeah.
00:49:35.289 --> 00:49:38.599
I always remember where I was. and what was going
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:40.800
on because it was near where my grandfather lived.
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.840
And it was just the right up the street from
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.280
his house. And so I remember going. The only
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.039
time I went to that store was when we were visiting
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.159
him because he was so close to it. So that was
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.760
definitely a core memory of getting that. And
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.820
every time I see it, I think of where I was.
00:49:55.820 --> 00:49:57.599
I'm thinking of my grandpa like every single
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.039
time. That was fun. And then I owned it for,
00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:02.619
I'm trying to think how long I owned the comic.
00:50:03.340 --> 00:50:04.659
I'd have to figure out what year it would come
00:50:04.659 --> 00:50:06.179
out. Do you remember what year that came out?
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:10.369
Was that like 82? Sounds right. Like something
00:50:10.369 --> 00:50:12.849
like that. So if I got it in around 82, I probably
00:50:12.849 --> 00:50:19.630
sold it around 1990. So it was probably like
00:50:19.630 --> 00:50:23.929
eight years later or something. It seemed like
00:50:23.929 --> 00:50:26.210
when I was young, it was like forever. Like there
00:50:26.210 --> 00:50:28.090
was this huge gap. But looking back now, it was
00:50:28.090 --> 00:50:35.730
like eight years later probably. When did Wolf...
00:50:38.070 --> 00:50:42.809
Number one. One of these days I'll snag another
00:50:42.809 --> 00:50:47.550
one. Just to have one. I had the Omnibus for
00:50:47.550 --> 00:50:52.309
it. So I had like the full run. Yeah, 82. 82?
00:50:52.469 --> 00:50:58.590
Okay. So yeah. So that was like... Wait. Yeah,
00:50:58.670 --> 00:51:03.469
no, sorry. It says... Oh, first solo miniseries,
00:51:03.510 --> 00:51:09.550
June 1st, 82. First ongoing series. uh 88 so
00:51:09.550 --> 00:51:11.789
it would have been the 82 yeah because the the
00:51:11.789 --> 00:51:13.610
art because i was pretty young the art for the
00:51:13.610 --> 00:51:17.150
82 was by frank miller and then 88 frank miller
00:51:17.150 --> 00:51:20.489
did he do the cover art yeah did i did not know
00:51:20.489 --> 00:51:22.769
that yeah that's that's i just started listening
00:51:22.769 --> 00:51:25.809
he just released his new book this week is a
00:51:25.809 --> 00:51:28.489
new book frank miller it just came out this week
00:51:28.489 --> 00:51:31.409
it's called push the wall oh i don't know and
00:51:31.409 --> 00:51:33.409
i just started listening to the audiobook yesterday
00:51:33.409 --> 00:51:38.789
oh i've listened to about 30 % of it? I don't
00:51:38.789 --> 00:51:41.929
think I knew he was still alive. Yeah, he's actually
00:51:41.929 --> 00:51:46.969
not that old. Oh. He's like 67. Oh. I wasn't
00:51:46.969 --> 00:51:49.010
aware of that. I think he's 60. I'll have to
00:51:49.010 --> 00:51:52.969
do the math. You can look it up too. He was born
00:51:52.969 --> 00:51:58.409
in 57. Oh, so he's only like three years older
00:51:58.409 --> 00:52:04.289
than you? No. No, sorry. 57, not 67. 57. He's
00:52:04.289 --> 00:52:06.949
13 years older than me. Oh, but still, that's
00:52:06.949 --> 00:52:11.889
not very old. Right. Dang. He looks, in my opinion,
00:52:11.929 --> 00:52:13.590
he looks older than he is. I actually don't know
00:52:13.590 --> 00:52:15.929
if I've ever seen a picture of him. I kept getting
00:52:15.929 --> 00:52:20.050
him confused with another guy that I'll have
00:52:20.050 --> 00:52:22.449
to figure out who he is, but I kept getting Frank
00:52:22.449 --> 00:52:24.650
Miller mixed up with this other guy. He's also
00:52:24.650 --> 00:52:28.070
a comic book guy. Is it the one that everyone
00:52:28.070 --> 00:52:29.789
makes fun of? He has like a big beard and stuff
00:52:29.789 --> 00:52:33.789
and long hair. Big beard. Alan Moore? Alan Moore.
00:52:33.909 --> 00:52:36.289
I always get... always got frank miller and alan
00:52:36.289 --> 00:52:41.909
moore mixed up that's for what i don't know i
00:52:41.909 --> 00:52:44.849
don't know why i mean i guess same same era in
00:52:44.849 --> 00:52:48.969
my head they i would interchange them and so
00:52:48.969 --> 00:52:53.389
this week on youtube i saw a couple of um him
00:52:53.389 --> 00:52:55.949
do a couple of interviews talking about his new
00:52:55.949 --> 00:52:58.750
book and i went on spotify and i was like i wonder
00:52:58.750 --> 00:53:01.269
if his book's on spotify and it was and so i
00:53:01.269 --> 00:53:05.559
started listening to it yesterday it's it's Pretty
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.019
interesting because it talks about like right
00:53:08.019 --> 00:53:11.239
now in the book. And he does his own narration
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:14.300
or he does his own audio book. So it's him telling
00:53:14.300 --> 00:53:18.099
his own story, which I always prefer audio books
00:53:18.099 --> 00:53:21.179
told by the author when they're not told by the,
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.800
unless the author's dead, unless it's like an
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:26.599
old, old, old like author, like something that
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:29.940
was written like 80 years ago. Like H .G. Wells.
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.039
Yeah. Unless it's something like that. And then
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:33.880
they could get like a really great, you know,
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:39.980
British. actor to to do it um but yeah i really
00:53:39.980 --> 00:53:45.599
wasn't super familiar with him because he not
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:47.579
at the time not when i was younger like since
00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:51.280
i've gotten older i've been more like understand
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:54.460
his stuff more and what he was doing but i didn't
00:53:54.460 --> 00:53:58.420
know he did that comic yeah he did he did um
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.340
He did a lot of comics. He's done... He just
00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:05.159
got through telling the story about Elektra and
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.280
Daredevil. Yeah. So he just finished telling
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:10.559
the whole Elektra story, like from beginning
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.460
to end, and how it came to be and all that stuff.
00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:16.840
So that was... And I'm not super familiar with
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.679
Elektra. Yeah, I'm not either. Because I'm not
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.300
super familiar with Daredevil because that wasn't
00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:26.039
one of the comics that I really followed closely.
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.219
I had, that was when I, cause I had a bunch of
00:54:30.219 --> 00:54:32.739
Daredevil Omnis. I had like, I had like, like
00:54:32.739 --> 00:54:34.860
a ton of Omnis. You had an enormous library.
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:38.880
And I didn't read, I don't think I read any of
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.860
them. They were kept in really great condition
00:54:41.860 --> 00:54:43.260
though. And whoever bought them was. You were
00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:45.079
able to sell them and make some money on them.
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.820
They were all happy. Yeah. Yeah. So that's nice.
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.960
They were nice to look at when I had them. It
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:52.199
was like a nice little bookshelf of. You had
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:57.320
quite a library in here. Yeah. Anyway, I think
00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.519
I lost my train of thought there with being creative.
00:55:00.619 --> 00:55:05.539
But anyway, doing pen and ink because I'd done
00:55:05.539 --> 00:55:07.940
a lot of that back then. Yeah. And then so just
00:55:07.940 --> 00:55:09.719
in the last couple of weeks, I've actually tried
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:12.420
to do some more pen and ink. And I saw a video
00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:14.420
pop up, and this is how it happens every single
00:55:14.420 --> 00:55:16.800
time. I'll see a video on YouTube about somebody
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:20.679
using a specific type of pen, either an ink pen
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:28.650
or a dip pen. Um, uh, and there's so many different
00:55:28.650 --> 00:55:31.329
kinds of pens now. Um, there's the alcohol based
00:55:31.329 --> 00:55:34.210
pens. There's like, uh, for doing illustrations
00:55:34.210 --> 00:55:38.210
with, and then there's like Prisma colored, you
00:55:38.210 --> 00:55:40.110
know, colored pencils. I think Prisma colored,
00:55:40.170 --> 00:55:44.230
I think they make pens too now. Um, but anyway,
00:55:44.329 --> 00:55:46.309
this guy was talking about this and they were,
00:55:46.389 --> 00:55:51.329
um, acrylic paint pens, you know, and they were
00:55:51.329 --> 00:55:54.090
very opaque. And I was like, oh, those look pretty
00:55:54.090 --> 00:55:58.750
cool. And so I looked them up on Amazon and I
00:55:58.750 --> 00:56:00.969
was thinking, well, maybe I should try these
00:56:00.969 --> 00:56:05.030
because I like things that are opaque. I just
00:56:05.030 --> 00:56:07.929
like, that's just the type of artwork I like.
00:56:07.989 --> 00:56:09.949
I don't know if it tends to lean more towards
00:56:09.949 --> 00:56:13.269
pop art because it's very... I can see that.
00:56:13.289 --> 00:56:16.730
It's either pen and ink or very contrasty colors.
00:56:17.030 --> 00:56:19.670
Even if they're similar colors, there's a hard
00:56:19.670 --> 00:56:22.280
line. you know, just that illustrative style.
00:56:22.420 --> 00:56:25.440
I just like that style. Yeah. So I got these,
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.260
um, and I've never used acrylic pens, but I watched
00:56:29.260 --> 00:56:31.739
him use them and I'm like, Hey, those look pretty
00:56:31.739 --> 00:56:34.500
neat. Anyway, I got them and, um, they were cheaper
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:37.500
than most of them that are on Amazon. The last
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:41.320
ridiculous supplies for art, art materials and
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.199
supplies are just like, yeah, absolutely insane
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:47.980
how much things cost. So anyway, I was like $35
00:56:47.980 --> 00:56:53.630
for, I think it was, 30 pins. I think it's 30.
00:56:54.969 --> 00:56:56.849
And then there's like a 60 and there's like a
00:56:56.849 --> 00:57:00.269
90 pack. There's like 30, 60 or 90. So you get
00:57:00.269 --> 00:57:02.250
more for your money. But I was like, it's just
00:57:02.250 --> 00:57:03.750
more money. So I'm like, I don't even know if
00:57:03.750 --> 00:57:05.829
I'm going to like these. So I got the 30 pack,
00:57:06.070 --> 00:57:10.289
which is really limited colors. But I've been
00:57:10.289 --> 00:57:13.469
very impressed with them. Yeah. The only thing
00:57:13.469 --> 00:57:15.829
that bums me a little bit about them is that
00:57:15.829 --> 00:57:19.829
they come with a really fine tip. but the more
00:57:19.829 --> 00:57:23.389
you use them the softer the tip gets and so you
00:57:23.389 --> 00:57:26.710
can't do as fine of work after you've used that
00:57:26.710 --> 00:57:31.050
one for a while yeah um they're very opaque they
00:57:31.050 --> 00:57:37.489
cover very very well and but the of course you
00:57:37.489 --> 00:57:39.710
have black white gray and then you know the variety
00:57:39.710 --> 00:57:43.710
of other colors and i wasn't able to get um A
00:57:43.710 --> 00:57:45.889
super fine white. I needed a super fine white.
00:57:45.949 --> 00:57:47.849
So I found these other pens because I was watching
00:57:47.849 --> 00:57:49.269
another channel and he was talking to me. They
00:57:49.269 --> 00:57:52.949
were called jelly roll pens. That's interesting.
00:57:53.389 --> 00:57:57.030
They're called, so they're gel pens, right? Yeah.
00:57:57.130 --> 00:57:59.309
Because gel is the thicker ink. Yeah. So they're
00:57:59.309 --> 00:58:01.130
gel and they come in three different sizes and
00:58:01.130 --> 00:58:05.150
they're roller tip, but the color's white. Oh.
00:58:05.309 --> 00:58:08.489
And so you can go on top of your colored artwork
00:58:08.489 --> 00:58:11.409
with the white jelly pen. And it'll make a nice
00:58:11.409 --> 00:58:13.590
white line right on top of your whatever color.
00:58:13.809 --> 00:58:18.349
Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So I use those in combination
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with the acrylics. I'm talking specifically white.
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Yeah. Because I had a lot of white on top of
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black and gray or next to it. And work pretty
00:58:28.130 --> 00:58:30.650
decently. I'm still learning them. I've done
00:58:30.650 --> 00:58:35.130
about five or six pieces. Yeah, you've done quite
00:58:35.130 --> 00:58:37.909
a few. They're not huge. They're like eight by
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ten or something. seven by 10. And a lot of them
00:58:42.550 --> 00:58:44.849
are just images I found on Pinterest. And I was
00:58:44.849 --> 00:58:48.409
like, well, those are cool. And so, um, a few
00:58:48.409 --> 00:58:50.289
years ago I bought a large format printer. So
00:58:50.289 --> 00:58:53.269
I was able to take the image and then scale back
00:58:53.269 --> 00:58:55.789
the resolution or not the resolution, the transparency,
00:58:55.829 --> 00:58:58.730
and then print it really, really faintly onto
00:58:58.730 --> 00:59:01.820
actually really good artistic paper. Oh, is that,
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:03.619
that's what you're doing? So yeah, I bought the
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paper. I have really good like Bristol board
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:07.820
paper. Yeah. I think it's Strathmore's the brand.
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.880
So I've got really nice, really nice art, art
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paper and I can run it through my printer and
00:59:13.940 --> 00:59:16.079
then I go in and then I do my art right on top
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:18.940
of the, the printed image because the print,
00:59:18.940 --> 00:59:23.820
the print is, is faint, but I just need it. I
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:26.480
just need it for a starting point. And so, and
00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:30.739
then I do all my art on top of that. It's been
00:59:30.739 --> 00:59:33.860
fun. I've mostly have been doing it that way
00:59:33.860 --> 00:59:37.679
because I wanted to learn how to use the materials.
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:39.599
I just wanted it because I have two different
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kinds of paper that I used and one of them doesn't
00:59:42.139 --> 00:59:45.300
work as well as the other one as far as the acrylic
00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:48.179
pens. So I was like, oh, these work pretty well
00:59:48.179 --> 00:59:49.539
on this kind of paper and the other one they
00:59:49.539 --> 00:59:52.000
don't. Yeah. They're more smeary. Yeah, that
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.219
makes sense. And the other one they actually
00:59:53.219 --> 00:59:55.079
will go into the paper. So there's a little more
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:57.800
tooth to the paper. Yeah. So I was like, oh,
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:02.760
this is cool. I guess we can eventually put show
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.139
notes and I can put Amazon links to some of this
01:00:06.139 --> 01:00:07.900
stuff in there if people are interested because
01:00:07.900 --> 01:00:10.239
I don't remember the names of everything right
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:14.480
offhand. So we can put notes for the art materials
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:18.199
I'm talking about if anybody's interested. Some
01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:21.360
Amazon links. Any other creatives out there who
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.239
want to try out the acrylic pens? Acrylic pens
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:29.920
and the jelly roll pens. Jelly roll pans. I want
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:35.480
a jelly roll pan. And the paper. The paper is
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.780
always expensive. But you buy them in a pad and
01:00:38.780 --> 01:00:41.480
tariff what you need. It's crazy how much they
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.039
be charging artists considering what artists
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:48.840
typically make. Well, the traditional art side
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:51.820
of things is just kind of feels like it's a dying
01:00:51.820 --> 01:00:54.099
art. It's underappreciated. I'm hoping it becomes
01:00:54.099 --> 01:00:56.489
more appreciated. Soon, especially with all the
01:00:56.489 --> 01:00:59.090
AI garbage that's out there. Once people realize
01:00:59.090 --> 01:01:03.130
that AI cannot replace real, actual creativity
01:01:03.130 --> 01:01:08.730
in people, it just makes garbage. Because AI,
01:01:08.949 --> 01:01:11.210
the whole point of AI is it's learned behavior,
01:01:11.469 --> 01:01:13.210
so it only can learn for something that already
01:01:13.210 --> 01:01:15.710
exists. Well, a good artist is going to come
01:01:15.710 --> 01:01:19.369
up for something that doesn't exist. Well, artists
01:01:19.369 --> 01:01:22.869
take things from other things that they've seen.
01:01:22.869 --> 01:01:25.179
They can. But they can also come up with new
01:01:25.179 --> 01:01:28.559
ideas themselves. Well, I don't think there's
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:30.599
that many things out there that are new. Everything's
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.460
just like a retelling of something else with
01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:35.699
a different twist on it. But the thing about
01:01:35.699 --> 01:01:41.340
AI is it's not an actual human being. No. It's
01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:44.559
very heartless and artificial feeling. And it's
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:46.480
not even that good. Yeah. I don't know. They
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:47.980
keep saying, it's going to get great. It's going
01:01:47.980 --> 01:01:51.559
to be the best. And I'm like, well, I'm still
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.539
not going to like it. yeah no me neither well
01:01:54.539 --> 01:01:57.139
there's no soul exactly that's what i'm saying
01:01:57.139 --> 01:02:02.099
you need a human created yeah i don't know i
01:02:02.099 --> 01:02:07.179
don't it's i'm sure it has its uses to help in
01:02:07.179 --> 01:02:09.059
the creative process yeah because like in the
01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:11.000
medical like in the medical industry they're
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:12.920
talking about their they're going to be able
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:17.440
to use ai to help identify that takes a person
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:19.679
longer because it recognizes patterns differently.
01:02:19.900 --> 01:02:21.920
Yeah. I'm like, well, there's a good use. It
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:23.719
could be a tool, but it's not. Because that's
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:28.219
not taking somebody's job. No. But then you're
01:02:28.219 --> 01:02:29.760
like, oh, we're not going to need artists anymore
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:33.420
because we have this piece, this software. Yeah.
01:02:34.019 --> 01:02:38.480
I don't know. Not a fan. I don't think any of
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.340
the creatives out there are. No. We should boycott
01:02:42.340 --> 01:02:46.420
it as much as we can. Definitely. And there's
01:02:46.420 --> 01:02:48.980
already been companies that have let people go
01:02:48.980 --> 01:02:51.159
because they thought that they had their fix
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:56.340
with AI, only to learn that the AI failed miserably,
01:02:56.420 --> 01:02:58.840
and then they hired those people back. So that's
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:04.139
already going on, which is good. You can't just
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:11.199
replace people with a... Yeah. Anyways. Well,
01:03:11.219 --> 01:03:13.960
I guess we could wrap up this. Are these called
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.530
episodes? I think so. Podcast episodes. Podcast
01:03:17.530 --> 01:03:20.469
episodes. Yeah. I think I just realized I might
01:03:20.469 --> 01:03:22.750
not have been like having my mouth close enough
01:03:22.750 --> 01:03:25.210
to the, to the microphone this whole time. Cause
01:03:25.210 --> 01:03:29.429
it's, it's okay. It's a learning process. So
01:03:29.429 --> 01:03:34.909
yeah. Episode one in the can. Yeah. Or in the
01:03:34.909 --> 01:03:38.269
Mac book anyway. Yep. The little Mac book air.
01:03:38.550 --> 01:03:41.650
A little Mac book air. And we're using garage
01:03:41.650 --> 01:03:44.739
band. Yeah. Until we can find something better.
01:03:44.980 --> 01:03:47.659
Well, I'm hoping GarageBand is like a sustainable
01:03:47.659 --> 01:03:51.699
thing because it's free. Yeah. For one. It's
01:03:51.699 --> 01:03:58.840
been around a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. All
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.019
right. Well, is there anything you want to say
01:04:02.019 --> 01:04:08.940
before we sign off? I don't know. Guess not.
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.190
That's a big question. Well. I'll think about
01:04:12.190 --> 01:04:14.769
it and we'll pick it up, pick it up next time.
01:04:14.829 --> 01:04:17.449
Yeah. Yeah. Episode number two, after we get
01:04:17.449 --> 01:04:20.750
through listening to this one and see, I don't
01:04:20.750 --> 01:04:23.289
want to, I don't want to speak death over this,
01:04:23.309 --> 01:04:25.349
so I'm not going to say anything negative. Yeah.
01:04:25.510 --> 01:04:27.789
That's probably a good idea. It's a learning
01:04:27.789 --> 01:04:31.110
process and we're going to learn and we're going
01:04:31.110 --> 01:04:35.309
to get better and it's been fun and I look forward
01:04:35.309 --> 01:04:37.710
to doing the next one. Yeah. Taking it one step
01:04:37.710 --> 01:04:42.320
at a time. All right. That's it. Yeah. Goodbye,
01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:42.739
peoples.