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Hello and welcome to another edition of Cottage Conversations with
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Mary Lou Chambriello. I'm the producer Jesse Chriskey. Today's guest
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is realtor Jennifer Martin, a woman who is helping women
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who are incarcerated find hope, dignity, and a second chance.
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Mary Lou firmly believes that all things real estate, all
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things related to real estate. I'm sorry, let me start over.
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Mary Lou firmly believes that all things relate to real
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estate because how you live starts with where you live.
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Home is more than just four walls. Home is your
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safe place, Home is family and friends, Home is your community,
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and often finding your way home begins with someone who
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simply believes in you. Jennifer's journey is a remarkable, remarkable
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example that realtors are real people with real challenges, and
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many are on a mission to make a real difference
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in their community. Jennifer's story is one of recovery, passion,
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and proof that one person can make a difference. The
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goal of this conversation is simple to inspire all of us.
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So join Mary lou Enter sidekick Jennifer Artiaga as they
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welcome Jennifer Martin to Cottage Conversations with Mary lou Hi. Ladies,
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welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much, Jesse and everyone. I do want
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to I'm going to read a little bit. I actually
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have notes in front of me because this is such
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an important podcast. I want all of you to understand
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that I do firmly believe that everything is related to
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real estate, and Jennifer has an amazing story. And one
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of the things we need to understand is that realtors,
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so many of us realtors don't stop at the closing table.
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We actually contribute to the community.
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Long after we close and we walk away.
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And Jennifer's story is one of an amazing accomplishment and
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I'm I'm so privileged to have her here today, and
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I hope that you all come from it with being
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inspired and just wanting to be a better person.
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So, Jennifer, Jennifer, I'm going to call you.
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Jennifer, and my adopted niece over there, who's also Jennifer,
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will be known as Jen Okay, and hopefully I could
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get through, But Jennifer, I want you to you know, first,
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we are a very successful agent, and that's that's a
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tribute to hard work. We know that, But tell us
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your beginnings, your childhood, how you came into this world.
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Oh, I came in addicted to heroin.
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Yeah, I know, I always say, I always say. My
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parents were seventeen year old heroin addicts. I guess the
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experiment went as well as could be expected, you know.
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I mean it was a rough beginning.
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They were kids themselves, and when I was three months old,
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my mom died and my dad, being seventeen years old,
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did not want to have a baby. His parents saw
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that different. They wanted to keep me with him. I
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don't know that that was the it's like codependency.
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Kind of best decision. Yeah.
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My grandparents, I think, wanted my dad to be better
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than he really was, you know.
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Yeah. And anyway, so it was a rough childhood.
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I went from my my dad's grand my dad's parents,
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and my dad and wife number two, and then back
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to my grandparents, and then my dad with wife number three,
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then back to my grand dad with life number four,
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and until I ended up in at eleven years old.
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I had a lot of mental and emotional problem of course, course,
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and so you know, one of the wives we were
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kidnapped to It's just just a lot of insane, a.
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Lot of drama, unnecessary drama. Not a normal childhood, but
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normal for you, I would assume, Yeah, normal for you,
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I would just hand. So, did you ever feel that
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the odds were against you? Did you know as a
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child that you know that that you had this rough upbringing?
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Or I always say I spoke fluent victimies.
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So yes, I felt like little orp and any like
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poor little Jennifer everything. But but legitimately it was a
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sad childhood. There were sad things that happened. But I
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think you know that also kind of turned on me
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where I used it a little bit as a as
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an excuse for everything. I don't think as a kid,
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you're not you know, to blame as a kid, had
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mental emotional problems, but that carried like long after. Yeah,
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I kind of had that victim mentality. I had that
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entitled somebody owes me something for my you know, because
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what happened.
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On Yeah, and jen over here is going to talk
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to you about your belief in God.
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Go ahead, Jennifer, Yes, please tell us how you found him.
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And I know he can pick you up from the fire.
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So it sounds like this was your yes, Well, I.
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Think what happened when I was eleven twelve years old,
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that god got thrown in the mix with everybody else.
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If there's a god, how could he let my mom die?
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How could he let my dad be on drugs? How
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could he let me get kidnapped? It was like I
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had a.
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You know, a very immature idea of.
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Things ated you, and justifiably, you know, I mean, you
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can't we can excuse that.
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I mean, I don't.
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Don't feel bad about having that, yeah mentality? Yeah, okay,
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And when did you know you hit rock bottom?
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When did you know you hit rock I got sober
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at twenty seven years old? Twenty seven seems to be
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a number. A lot of people die at twenties, you know,
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Kirk Cobain, Jennie Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kirk Cobain. Right, So
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twenty seven years old was when I got sober. So
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I'm fifty five, I got twenty seven out in twenty seven.
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Yeah, yeah, that's wonderful. Okay, So how did you how
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did you achieve some variety? How did you achieve that?
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Well to what John was saying about, you know, it's
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funny because you know, I had tried sobriety. I was
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kind of in and out of a twelve step program.
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But I did not want to hear about God. I
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did not want to hear anything about.
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I just want to stop drinking.
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Problem solved, and I didn't realize that the problem was
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a lot deeper than drinking. And it was all that
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twisted look at the world, twisted look at God, twisted
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look at people.
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So I'd put the drink down, and it was unbearable
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to be sober. It was unbearable with the head that
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I had, the way I viewed the world, the way
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I viewed everything as There's a guy who wrote a
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book a new pair of glasses. He said, without that
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essential psychic change and new pair of glasses, it's like
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I'm in the same chair with the same circumstances, but
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I see it different. Maybe the difference between Heaven and
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Hell is a new paraglass well, and I needed.
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A new tell a story.
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I always when I when I speak to certain people
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that had the issues and I'm looking at them and
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I see them in a totally different light, I always.
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Say, you need a new Mira.
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I don't know the one you're looking at but the
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one I'm seeing you know, you see, Yeah, I say
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that to you. I know you need a new miror
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be somebody needs.
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To tell you that. You know, it's every and everything passes.
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Everything passes if you, if you take on the challenge
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and you and you understand it, it's not overnight.
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Well, and that's what happened at twenty seven years old,
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my last drink. You know, I had a what they
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call a moment of clarity, a snapshot of who I
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really was, not who.
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I pretended to be, how I wanted people to see me.
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But in that moment, I realized, I'm not drunk because
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my mom died or my dad left me in foster
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care or the institutions. I'm drunk because I drank alcohol,
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like nobody abused.
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Me more than me, like the.
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Worst to me.
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Yes, yes, and I saw it, and I love when
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Byron Katie, she says, if you see a rope and
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you think it's a snake, you're afraid. But as soon
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as you know it's a rope, you can't be afraid anymore.
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You know, once you see and once I saw myself,
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and I realized I could never see that. So that's
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where my journey began, you know, is that God gave
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me a snapshot. He showed me, you know that, and
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that I thought it was my fault because if it
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was their fault, I might not be sober because they
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may never change.
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My father.
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I still don't have a relationship with you know, nothing's
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changed on that.
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I'm home front.
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Yeah, but there's always something that comes in your life too.
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He's still and is he still doing the same. I
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have not spoken the last time. I was always crawling
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before him for love. And you know, the last time
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I went home sober with my children and I left
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crying and just feeling like I was trying to get uh.
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You know what I mean.
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Well, that's probably because you're a parent, and as a parent,
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you have expectations for yourself and that also should be
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met by other people.
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You don't call the same rules for different rules.
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You have the same rules for you yourself as you
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do for your father or for your own parents. And
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you know, and unfortunately, Jennifer, unfortunately you didn't.
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Get the parents you deserved.
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You did not get the parents you deserved, But you
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turned out to be an amazing.
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Parent as well.
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a hard turn.
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That's a hard right.
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Well, I like, you know, there's a lady Joyce Myers,
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and she says, when Jesus came into town riding on
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the donkey, they were all saying Hosanna, hallelujah. Imagine if
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the donkey thought all the praise was for him, and
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you're the donkey. Like, my story is amazing, but it's
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not an amazing story of Jennifer. It's an amazing story
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of what God has done. I know what my life
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was like before God, and I know what my life
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was like after I invited gotten into my life, got
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on my knees, gave my life to him and said
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I've made a mess of this and I got to
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go your way now.
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Figured out, yeah, that's beautiful.
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Well, you said something about the elevator, and I know
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that it made me really sad because you said that
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for us, the elevator is you know, when we get
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to the bottom floor, it's death. And it really it
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just broke my heart because I was in the restaurant
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business for a long time and I left because I
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couldn't deal. I was finding beds for my employees and
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I just couldn't deal with the stories. It was just heartbreaking.
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So talk to us about the elevator ride.
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Okay, Well, I mean there's the saying you don't have
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to take the elevator all the way to the bottom.
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You can get off at any floor, you know. I
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remember a guy at an AA conference. He said, there's
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the next right thing to do in the middle of
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robbing a bank, like, you don't have to take it
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to the n degree where you kill.
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Everybody in this at any time.
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You can stop and you can get off the elevator
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at any floor, you know.
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Yeah, that broke that analogy.
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Yeah, I love that.
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And then on top of that, poor Jennifer Jen is
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crying over there.
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Okay, but I know the wonders that God can do
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in your life, and I you know, I saw it
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with my husband, you know, with his medical condition, and
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I've seen it. I've seen his miraculous wonders.
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Could you believe?
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I think absolutely.
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I think Jennifer Jen and Jennifer I think that miracles
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happen every day, and I think that often God whispers
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and sometimes we're just not listening, and it's the whispers
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that are more important than the slap in the face.
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You know, here you take this road or whatever, but
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you know, it's just an amazing story. So you go
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to the Women's Attention Center once a week, so talk
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to us about.
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That Indian River County jail. We bring a meeting into there.
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I love it.
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I was there last night and it's it's it's my
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favorite meeting.
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What I want those women to know is your past
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does not have to be your future, you know. And
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it's it's funny because one of the girls was saying,
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you know that nobody wanted her, and it's true, her
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mom wanted to have an abortion. The dad wanted the
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mom to have an abortion, didn't want to have a baby.
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wanted her here. Your life matters, Every life matters.
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had an employee who her parents didn't want her either,
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and she said, nobody wanted me. And I said, you know,
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let me just explain this to you. There's no such
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thing as an unwanted child.
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You belong here, you know, you belong here.
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And uh yes, and it's it's it's.
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And everyone should be wanted, everyone should be loved, and sure.
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By God.
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Your Father's day, my pastor had a different I go
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to Ocean's Unite and he he he preached on God
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as a father, you know, like, yeah, I have a
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loving father who has restored to me everything that I
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didn't have in my childhood. And more so that's why
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I laughed about like a little arp and Andy, it's
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kind of ridiculous for me. It was a sad childhood.
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But God's more than made up for it and means.
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Well, you know, your journey has meaning and and your
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life had meaning and it started off rough, I mean,
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but the reality is that you brought great meaning to it.
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I personally don't know anybody. You're my first, Okay, I
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apparently I.
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Thought I had a horrible childhood. I shut up now, Okay,
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thank you Mom and dad. By the way, you all the.
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Time, mine the way it is, I've heard a lot worse.
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But you needed a testimony to be able to help
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these women.
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Well that's the one thing about the dam. You know,
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they can sniff out bs.
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I mean, if you haven't been where they are just
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talking out of a book, are talking at it's you know,
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it's the language of the heart. So you know, the
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good thing is I can look them right in the
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eye and say I've literally been where you are and
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have recovered and have a life.
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It takes away the excuses. There are no excuses.
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Yeah, yeah, well you're you're living proof. You're walking and
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living proof that you can do anything if you believe
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in yourself, you believe in God, and you can make
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your way through.
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So talk to me. Tell me a success story.
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I mean, I I'm sure you have many because you
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deal with many, many women, and we don't want to.
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Leave anybody out.
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But the reality is that there's got to be something
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that really touched your heart where you said, wow, this
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is what I did, I succeeded. It's something important.
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Well, I will say there's you know, in the Bible
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somewhere it says, you know, the death can hear, the
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lame can walk. That story goes on every day in recovery.
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People store there. There's a lot of heartbreak and you
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and I have talked about that. There's a lot of them,
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and unfortunately, you know, and I don't know the numbers.
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Exactly the statistics. But you know, the more.
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The longer some of the twelve step programs have gone on,
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they've become more secular. You don't hear as much about God,
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and the success rate has gone down. So you know,
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I was in and out of twelve step programs with
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no God, didn't stay sober. That's just for me. I'm
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not saying for other people, but for me. You know,
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I was powerful. I needed a real power in my life.
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I needed what car Young talked about. He said, there's
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a reason alcohol is called a spirit. Spirit is contra
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spirit on me. It's like, you need a spirit to
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conquer a spirit. I needed the power of God God.
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You know, they talk about alcohol being a synthetic spiritual experience.
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I had all these mental and emotional problems, and when
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I took a drink, all of a sudden, I mean,
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I am.
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Tall, blonde with big boobs, but that I didn't feel
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that way, and I just regread.
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I was like, wow, so apparently a new mirror.
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I got a new mirror. I'm like, you know, all
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those people abandoned me and reject me, screw you. You know,
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it was synthetic spiritual experience. It was liquid courage. You know.
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After a few drinks, I was like, could take on
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the world.
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So if anybody ever told me to stop drinking, you
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think I was going to stop drinking. Drinking was was
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the magic elixir for me.
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So I was willing to pay a big I had
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the opposite experience because I grew up in the restaurant
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industry and I never took a drink, and I've never
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been drunk.
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And I'm an older woman here. I've had punny opportunity
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to have.
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I never took a drink because I was terrified that
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I'd become a drunk. And my husband always says, I
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got the cure before I got the disease. Yes, and
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I'm grateful for that. I enjoy a glass of wine,
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but I would say a bottle of wine would last
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me a month, you know, and then I have to
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throw it out.
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Say to me, that's a drinking problem. You can't got
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a problem.
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You don't know what to do it. I have to
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throw it out, you know, I have to throw it out.
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To alcohol abuse.
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But so, so talk about your mission and how did
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you find your mission? How did you decide that you
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were going to go to the women's attention and.
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Talk to these women. What caused that? What motivated you
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to do that?
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Well, it's like.
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There's a saying in the program too, It's like, it's
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not that I decided, it's this, this miracle happened for me,
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the evidence that it happened for me twenty seven years ago,
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as I'm as excited about it today as I was
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twenty seven year years ago. I can't stop telling people
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about it. It's the greatest thing that's ever happened. And
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if something's really happened to you, you want everybody to
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have to share it.
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Yes, now, not everybody wants. Not everybody wants when I'm
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giving away.
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But it's not it's not a matter if they don't
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come from that perspective. You know, they don't, they don't.
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They really and truly don't understand. There's no empathy. You know,
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there's no empathy. But it's an amazing story.
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I love these women. I love these women that it's amazing.
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I told you some of the women in our three
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quarterhouse in Melbourne. You know one lady, I mean, she's
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got eight children, she had her first baby when she
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was twelve years old.
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You know, another girl died two times.
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The night before she got sober, was almost beat to
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death by a boyfriend and dragged through the streets with
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gravel in her legs, was in a ca I mean,
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I have another girl who you know was doing drugs
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with her mam at a young age, you know, turned
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her out and you said, yeah, I mean there's you here,
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some very.
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And and and.
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So success looks very different. Success is different for everybody.
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Yeah, you know what I mean.
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So, and that's that's fine, that's absolutely fine, because everybody
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has a different story in a different beginning and different challenges.
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So amazing to see these women, you know that that
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that that girl and her mother are both sober and
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have an amazing relationship and relationship with God and grandchildren.
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And you know the other girl is uh, you know,
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going to college now. Was just reunited with her son
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after you know, several years. Her son didn't want to
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be involved with her, and she didn't blame him, you know,
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she said, I understand her.
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Let me leave you alone for a while.
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Let me be sober and proved to you and show you,
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you know, she wasn't so selfish. Yes, And he came
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back and you know, just amazing and and the woman
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with eight children. She's a wonderful mother, she's a beautiful person.
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She's going to really she just got her state license.
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So oh that's wonderful.
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So tell me what does success look like to you?
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What does success look like to you today? I mean,
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aside from the fact that you are, and we need
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to point this out, she's a very successful realtor. But
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what does success look to you aside from real estate?
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Well, I mean I remember hearing a friend of mine
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said that alcohols are lucky in a way because we
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get to live two lives in one. And you might
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not be grateful for a soft pillow and a warm
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shower unless you've lived outdoors. You might not be grateful.
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To be a good mother, unless you've been a bad mother,
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you might not be grateful. I mean, success to me
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is that my daughter drops my grandkids off, you know,
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to spend the weekend with me. That I'm the I mean,
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this is I'm the one that my family comes to
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and calls and you know that that.
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Well, you're approachable, and you know, as a parent, that's
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that's our biggest is to be approachable.
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Okay, I've had enough with the crying. Okay, well you
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story is beautiful.
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It's a beautiful story, and the lesson in it is amazing.
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Yeah, the lesson in it is amazing.
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Because one of the things that people don't understand about
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us as agents is real truths, is that we really
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and truly, uh, you know, Jennifer takes some shopping, she
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brings them to the doctor.
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She you know, she does all those wonderful things.
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Because it's so much more than just real estate. And
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jen I mean her story is just.
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We get to be of service.
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Yeah, I means in.
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Real estate, talk about a god thing. Okay, So somebody
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offered to pay for me to go to real estate school.
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I'm like, real estate. I don't know anything about real estate. No.
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Second person, I was working over at Curves, the woman's
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gym or whatever, and Pat who owned First Choice or
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something up there, she said, you have a great personality.
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I'll pay for you to go to real estate school.
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I'm like real estate. No, Like, what's with this real estate?
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Is God trying to tell me something?
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Third person now he was shouting yeah. Now, he's like, listen,
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I'm trying to help you, you know, like go buy
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the line.
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The first as a whisper. The second was a conversation
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that that was a.
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See So we really do believe because the same thing
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happened to me when I was working at a restaurant
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as a waitress. I had so many different people say
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the same thing. You have a good personality, you should
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be in real estate. And I'm telling you. I was like,
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you know for the longest time, and here I am.
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Well, I was like waitressing. I'm like, if I screw
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their eggs up, it's like a couple of bucks. For
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real estate. I'm going to be in course, I don't mind.
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My story for how I became a real christ a
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little bit different. I was twenty three and we were
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in the restaurant business and my husband came home and said,
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you're going to college. I said, I am, because yeah,
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you're going to go to college for real estates that
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I am. He goes yes, because God forbid I die.
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I don't want you to be a waitress for the
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rest of your life. I want you to be able
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to support yourself. And that's I started at the age
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of twenty three at Pace University, but didn't practice until
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I was in my fifties.
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So well, I went back to college after I got
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sober I got the experience everything. I never went to
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high school, you know, I was in and out of institution,
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and you know, so I got to do all of that.
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We're so blessed to have you.
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But more importantly, I want you to give out a
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message to somebody out there, families out there that might
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be struggling with someone that has alcohol or drug abuse,
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and maybe give them an encouraging word and give them
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direction as to where to go.
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Okay, well, I mean I would say that, you know,
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the most important thing is that God loves you. God
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cares about you. God is a father. He doesn't love
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me more than he loves you. So if he gave
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it to me, he'll give it to you. You know,
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if there's a problem, it's not on God's side, it's
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on your side.
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There's things that you have to know, you got to
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lay down, You've got to change. God's always willing, God
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will always Yeah.
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Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable story. And I myself, I can't. I
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can't get over.
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You know, in the restaurant business, we ran into a
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lot of We started out with mothers that just wanted
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to make extra money on the weekend, and then I
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became like a drug rehab finding beds for people. I
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couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
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I just couldn't.
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I had to leave the business because I just couldn't
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find another bed.
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But you're probably approaching it from a different place. I'm
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approaching it. You know, I'm in it, I exactly, And
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you probably feel sorry for a bathroom. I don't because
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you know it's it's it's the good thing is It's
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like I'm tough, like as a sponsor one of because
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people you know that. It's like, listen, when I was drinking,
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I was going to find a drink no matter what.
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Nothing was going to stop me.
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So when I was really to get ready to get sober,
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nothing was going to stop me.
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Nothing was going to get it.
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So if something's stopping you and you have excuses, just
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take responsibility. You're just not ready yet and that's okay.
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But once you're ready, nothing's going to stop you.
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Oh you know what I mean.
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It's like if I was going to get a drink,
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I don't care if I have a gun to my head,
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Oh well, you're gonna have to shoot me.
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I'm getting a drink now.
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All of a sudden, I'm at AA, meaning someone rolls
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their eyes at me. Oh, I'm never going back, Like,
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when did you get so sensitive?
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Honey? You just are looking for an excuse to leave.
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And if you're looking for an ex yes.
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Yes, wow, you know that's well. We did.
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We've put a couple of people in programs. And one
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of the most amazing letters we got was a twelve
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step letter. And I had I had made a I'd
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made a contract with one of my employees, and I said,
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you know, if you come late, I'm going to fire you.
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Blah blah blah. My husband and my head server were enablers.
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And I'm not.
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I'm pretty I'm pretty tough. But what happened was he
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didn't come. It wasn't he missed one day of work
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and I met him out in the parking lot with
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his uh, with his pay, and he said, I called Pat,
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I called Donna.
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I said, well, that wasn't who the deal was with.
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It was with me.
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So here's your pay. Go with God, you know. And
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about four years later, I received a twelve step letter.
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We received a twelve step letter and it took us
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three days to read it. I mean, it was just
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heartbreaking and in the end, he wrote, and Mary Lou,
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I know you loved me the most because you were
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the only one that said, I can't watch you do
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this anymore.
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So if you're out.
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There, please please seek help and take take card from
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this wonderful story.
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This is an amazing story. You can do anything.
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And Jennifer came from from the worst beginning you could
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possibly imagine. And we can do nothing but admire her
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and love her for sharing her experiences. And I'm very
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proud of jen Archie get over there for not crying.
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She the whole time. It's a beautiful story, an amazing story.
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It was an amazing Well I met her and we
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just started talking and I'm like, oh my goodness, I
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have a podcast.
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You have got to come on. We've got to tell
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your story.
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And John Senior, my broker, was like the father I
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never had. He believed in me, and I respected him,
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I trusted him, and I thought, if he sees something
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in me, I'm so grateful.
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Well, you know, just it's amazing how one kind word
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can go a long way. And you know, so it's
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important for us to be kind to each other, especially
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in the world that we live in today. You know,
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I'm making a vow and I'm gonna It's going to
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take me a while, but I'm taking the word hate
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out of my vocabulary. I'm like, I'm hoping that by
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I think on fourth of July is when I'm we'll
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never use the word hate again, because I think there's.
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Other ways we can. You know, hate is such an
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ugly word. It's time for me to it. Yeah, I
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hate it. I do too.
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But you know, but you you are so inspirational and
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you need to you know, anybody out there, the real
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estate is so much more than putting a son in
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the ground and sitting at a closing table. And there
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are so many of us that do so much in
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the community. And I'm so proud to be part of
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those people that really and truly care. And Indian River
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I say it all the time, lucky us to live
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in Indian River County. There's no better place on the
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planet than Indian River County.
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Am I done?
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Jesse?
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Okay, I just want to say, Cassy, I haven't I have.
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He's going to put me in the other corner so
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I can see him waving at me. So for all
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of you out there, you know understand that realtors are
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are people too, and that many of us, like Jennifer
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and jen really and truly go out there and try
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to make a difference. I am shocked by the generosity.
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I wrote an article many years ago for.
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The TC Palm Real Estate Resources and I called it Sleeves,
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and in there I quoted a lot of what other
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Asians had done and they do.
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They do a tremendous amount of work. Thank you so much.
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God be with you.
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Chow for now and have the best day ever.
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But everyone, thank you, say goodbye everyone, Chow for now.
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E GM Network.
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Hello and welcome to another edition of Cottage Conversations with
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Mary Lou Chambriello. I'm the producer Jesse Chriskey. Today's guest
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is realtor Jennifer Martin, a woman who is helping women
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who are incarcerated find hope, dignity, and a second chance.
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Mary Lou firmly believes that all things real estate, all
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things related to real estate. I'm sorry, let me start over.
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Mary Lou firmly believes that all things relate to real
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estate because how you live starts with where you live.
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Home is more than just four walls. Home is your
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safe place, Home is family and friends, Home is your community,
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and often finding your way home begins with someone who
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simply believes in you. Jennifer's journey is a remarkable, remarkable
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example that realtors are real people with real challenges, and
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many are on a mission to make a real difference
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in their community. Jennifer's story is one of recovery, passion,
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and proof that one person can make a difference. The
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goal of this conversation is simple to inspire all of us.
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So join Mary lou Enter sidekick Jennifer Artiaga as they
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welcome Jennifer Martin to Cottage Conversations with Mary lou Hi. Ladies,
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welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much, Jesse and everyone. I do want
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to I'm going to read a little bit. I actually
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have notes in front of me because this is such
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an important podcast. I want all of you to understand
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that I do firmly believe that everything is related to
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real estate, and Jennifer has an amazing story. And one
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of the things we need to understand is that realtors,
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so many of us realtors don't stop at the closing table.
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We actually contribute to the community.
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Long after we close and we walk away.
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And Jennifer's story is one of an amazing accomplishment and
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I'm I'm so privileged to have her here today, and
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I hope that you all come from it with being
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inspired and just wanting to be a better person.
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So, Jennifer, Jennifer, I'm going to call you.
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Jennifer, and my adopted niece over there, who's also Jennifer,
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will be known as Jen Okay, and hopefully I could
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get through, But Jennifer, I want you to you know, first,
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we are a very successful agent, and that's that's a
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tribute to hard work. We know that, But tell us
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your beginnings, your childhood, how you came into this world.
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Oh, I came in addicted to heroin.
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Yeah, I know, I always say, I always say. My
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parents were seventeen year old heroin addicts. I guess the
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experiment went as well as could be expected, you know.
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I mean it was a rough beginning.
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They were kids themselves, and when I was three months old,
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my mom died and my dad, being seventeen years old,
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did not want to have a baby. His parents saw
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that different. They wanted to keep me with him. I
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don't know that that was the it's like codependency.
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Kind of best decision. Yeah.
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My grandparents, I think, wanted my dad to be better
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than he really was, you know.
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Yeah. And anyway, so it was a rough childhood.
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I went from my my dad's grand my dad's parents,
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and my dad and wife number two, and then back
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to my grandparents, and then my dad with wife number three,
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then back to my grand dad with life number four,
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and until I ended up in at eleven years old.
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I had a lot of mental and emotional problem of course, course,
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and so you know, one of the wives we were
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kidnapped to It's just just a lot of insane, a.
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Lot of drama, unnecessary drama. Not a normal childhood, but
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normal for you, I would assume, Yeah, normal for you,
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I would just hand. So, did you ever feel that
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the odds were against you? Did you know as a
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child that you know that that you had this rough upbringing?
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Or I always say I spoke fluent victimies.
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So yes, I felt like little orp and any like
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poor little Jennifer everything. But but legitimately it was a
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sad childhood. There were sad things that happened. But I
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think you know that also kind of turned on me
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where I used it a little bit as a as
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an excuse for everything. I don't think as a kid,
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you're not you know, to blame as a kid, had
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mental emotional problems, but that carried like long after. Yeah,
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I kind of had that victim mentality. I had that
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entitled somebody owes me something for my you know, because
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what happened.
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On Yeah, and jen over here is going to talk
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to you about your belief in God.
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Go ahead, Jennifer, Yes, please tell us how you found him.
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And I know he can pick you up from the fire.
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So it sounds like this was your yes, Well, I.
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Think what happened when I was eleven twelve years old,
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that god got thrown in the mix with everybody else.
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If there's a god, how could he let my mom die?
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How could he let my dad be on drugs? How
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could he let me get kidnapped? It was like I
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had a.
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You know, a very immature idea of.
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Things ated you, and justifiably, you know, I mean, you
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can't we can excuse that.
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I mean, I don't.
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Don't feel bad about having that, yeah mentality? Yeah, okay,
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And when did you know you hit rock bottom?
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When did you know you hit rock I got sober
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at twenty seven years old? Twenty seven seems to be
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a number. A lot of people die at twenties, you know,
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Kirk Cobain, Jennie Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kirk Cobain. Right, So
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twenty seven years old was when I got sober. So
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I'm fifty five, I got twenty seven out in twenty seven.
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Yeah, yeah, that's wonderful. Okay, So how did you how
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did you achieve some variety? How did you achieve that?
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Well to what John was saying about, you know, it's
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funny because you know, I had tried sobriety. I was
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kind of in and out of a twelve step program.
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But I did not want to hear about God. I
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did not want to hear anything about.
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I just want to stop drinking.
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Problem solved, and I didn't realize that the problem was
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a lot deeper than drinking. And it was all that
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twisted look at the world, twisted look at God, twisted
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look at people.
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You know.
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So I'd put the drink down, and it was unbearable
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to be sober. It was unbearable with the head that
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I had, the way I viewed the world, the way
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I viewed everything as There's a guy who wrote a
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book a new pair of glasses. He said, without that
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essential psychic change and new pair of glasses, it's like
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I'm in the same chair with the same circumstances, but
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I see it different. Maybe the difference between Heaven and
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Hell is a new paraglass well, and I needed.
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A new tell a story.
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I always when I when I speak to certain people
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that had the issues and I'm looking at them and
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I see them in a totally different light, I always.
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Say, you need a new Mira.
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I don't know the one you're looking at but the
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one I'm seeing you know, you see, Yeah, I say
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that to you. I know you need a new miror
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be somebody needs.
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and you and you understand it, it's not overnight.
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my last drink. You know, I had a what they
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call a moment of clarity, a snapshot of who I
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really was, not who.
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I pretended to be, how I wanted people to see me.
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my mom died or my dad left me in foster
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care or the institutions. I'm drunk because I drank alcohol,
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like nobody abused.
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Me more than me, like the.
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Yes, yes, and I saw it, and I love when
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Byron Katie, she says, if you see a rope and
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you think it's a snake, you're afraid. But as soon
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as you know it's a rope, you can't be afraid anymore.
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and I realized I could never see that. So that's
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where my journey began, you know, is that God gave
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me a snapshot. He showed me, you know that, and
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that I thought it was my fault because if it
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was their fault, I might not be sober because they
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may never change.
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My father.
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I still don't have a relationship with you know, nothing's
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I'm home front.
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Yeah, but there's always something that comes in your life too.
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He's still and is he still doing the same. I
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have not spoken the last time. I was always crawling
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before him for love. And you know, the last time
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I went home sober with my children and I left
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crying and just feeling like I was trying to get uh.
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You know what I mean.
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Well, that's probably because you're a parent, and as a parent,
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you have expectations for yourself and that also should be
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met by other people.
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You don't call the same rules for different rules.
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You have the same rules for you yourself as you
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do for your father or for your own parents. And
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you know, and unfortunately, Jennifer, unfortunately you didn't.
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Get the parents you deserved.
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You did not get the parents you deserved, But you
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turned out to be an amazing.
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a hard turn.
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That's a hard right.
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Well, I like, you know, there's a lady Joyce Myers,
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and she says, when Jesus came into town riding on
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the donkey, they were all saying Hosanna, hallelujah. Imagine if
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the donkey thought all the praise was for him, and
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you're the donkey. Like, my story is amazing, but it's
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not an amazing story of Jennifer. It's an amazing story
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of what God has done. I know what my life
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was like before God, and I know what my life
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was like after I invited gotten into my life, got
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on my knees, gave my life to him and said
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I've made a mess of this and I got to
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go your way now.
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Figured out, yeah, that's beautiful.
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Well, you said something about the elevator, and I know
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that it made me really sad because you said that
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for us, the elevator is you know, when we get
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to the bottom floor, it's death. And it really it
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just broke my heart because I was in the restaurant
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business for a long time and I left because I
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couldn't deal. I was finding beds for my employees and
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I just couldn't deal with the stories. It was just heartbreaking.
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So talk to us about the elevator ride.
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Okay, Well, I mean there's the saying you don't have
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to take the elevator all the way to the bottom.
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You can get off at any floor, you know. I
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remember a guy at an AA conference. He said, there's
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the next right thing to do in the middle of
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robbing a bank, like, you don't have to take it
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to the n degree where you kill.
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Everybody in this at any time.
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You can stop and you can get off the elevator
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at any floor, you know.
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crying over there.
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in your life, and I you know, I saw it
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with my husband, you know, with his medical condition, and
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I've seen it. I've seen his miraculous wonders.
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Could you believe?
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I think Jennifer Jen and Jennifer I think that miracles
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happen every day, and I think that often God whispers
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and sometimes we're just not listening, and it's the whispers
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that are more important than the slap in the face.
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you know, it's just an amazing story. So you go
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to the Women's Attention Center once a week, so talk
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to us about.
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That Indian River County jail. We bring a meeting into there.
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I love it.
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I was there last night and it's it's it's my
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favorite meeting.
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What I want those women to know is your past
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does not have to be your future, you know. And
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it's it's funny because one of the girls was saying,
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you know that nobody wanted her, and it's true, her
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mom wanted to have an abortion. The dad wanted the
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mom to have an abortion, didn't want to have a baby.
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But but she's here, so somebody wanted her here, God
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wanted her here. Your life matters, Every life matters.
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had an employee who her parents didn't want her either,
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and she said, nobody wanted me. And I said, you know,
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let me just explain this to you. There's no such
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thing as an unwanted child.
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You belong here, you know, you belong here.
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Your Father's day, my pastor had a different I go
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to Ocean's Unite and he he he preached on God
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as a father, you know, like, yeah, I have a
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loving father who has restored to me everything that I
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didn't have in my childhood. And more so that's why
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I laughed about like a little arp and Andy, it's
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kind of ridiculous for me. It was a sad childhood.
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Well, you know, your journey has meaning and and your
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life had meaning and it started off rough, I mean,
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but the reality is that you brought great meaning to it.
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I personally don't know anybody. You're my first, Okay, I
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apparently I.
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Thought I had a horrible childhood. I shut up now, Okay,
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thank you Mom and dad. By the way, you all the.
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Time, mine the way it is, I've heard a lot worse.
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But you needed a testimony to be able to help
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these women.
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Well that's the one thing about the dam. You know,
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they can sniff out bs.
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talking out of a book, are talking at it's you know,
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it's the language of the heart. So you know, the
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good thing is I can look them right in the
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eye and say I've literally been where you are and
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have recovered and have a life.
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It takes away the excuses. There are no excuses.
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Yeah, yeah, well you're you're living proof. You're walking and
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living proof that you can do anything if you believe
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in yourself, you believe in God, and you can make
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your way through.
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So talk to me. Tell me a success story.
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I mean, I I'm sure you have many because you
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deal with many, many women, and we don't want to.
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Leave anybody out.
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But the reality is that there's got to be something
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that really touched your heart where you said, wow, this
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is what I did, I succeeded. It's something important.
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somewhere it says, you know, the death can hear, the
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lame can walk. That story goes on every day in recovery.
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People store there. There's a lot of heartbreak and you
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and I have talked about that. There's a lot of them,
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and unfortunately, you know, and I don't know the numbers.
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Exactly the statistics. But you know, the more.
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The longer some of the twelve step programs have gone on,
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they've become more secular. You don't hear as much about God,
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and the success rate has gone down. So you know,
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I was in and out of twelve step programs with
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no God, didn't stay sober. That's just for me. I'm
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not saying for other people, but for me. You know,
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I was powerful. I needed a real power in my life.
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I needed what car Young talked about. He said, there's
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a reason alcohol is called a spirit. Spirit is contra
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spirit on me. It's like, you need a spirit to
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conquer a spirit. I needed the power of God God.
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You know, they talk about alcohol being a synthetic spiritual experience.
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I had all these mental and emotional problems, and when
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I took a drink, all of a sudden, I mean,
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I am.
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Tall, blonde with big boobs, but that I didn't feel
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that way, and I just regread.
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I was like, wow, so apparently a new mirror.
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I got a new mirror. I'm like, you know, all
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those people abandoned me and reject me, screw you. You know,
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it was synthetic spiritual experience. It was liquid courage. You know.
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the world.
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think I was going to stop drinking. Drinking was was
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the magic elixir for me.
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the opposite experience because I grew up in the restaurant
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industry and I never took a drink, and I've never
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been drunk.
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to have.
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I never took a drink because I was terrified that
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I'd become a drunk. And my husband always says, I
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got the cure before I got the disease. Yes, and
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I'm grateful for that. I enjoy a glass of wine,
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but I would say a bottle of wine would last
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me a month, you know, and then I have to
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throw it out.
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Say to me, that's a drinking problem. You can't got
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a problem.
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You don't know what to do it. I have to
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throw it out, you know, I have to throw it out.
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To alcohol abuse.
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you find your mission? How did you decide that you
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were going to go to the women's attention and.
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Talk to these women. What caused that? What motivated you
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to do that?
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There's a saying in the program too, It's like, it's
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not that I decided, it's this, this miracle happened for me,
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the evidence that it happened for me twenty seven years ago,
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as I'm as excited about it today as I was
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twenty seven year years ago. I can't stop telling people
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about it. It's the greatest thing that's ever happened. And
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if something's really happened to you, you want everybody to
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have to share it.
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Yes, now, not everybody wants. Not everybody wants when I'm
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giving away.
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come from that perspective. You know, they don't, they don't.
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They really and truly don't understand. There's no empathy. You know,
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there's no empathy. But it's an amazing story.
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I love these women. I love these women that it's amazing.
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I told you some of the women in our three
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quarterhouse in Melbourne. You know one lady, I mean, she's
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got eight children, she had her first baby when she
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was twelve years old.
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death by a boyfriend and dragged through the streets with
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gravel in her legs, was in a ca I mean,
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with her mam at a young age, you know, turned
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her out and you said, yeah, I mean there's you here,
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And and and.
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So success looks very different. Success is different for everybody.
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Yeah, you know what I mean.
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So, and that's that's fine, that's absolutely fine, because everybody
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has a different story in a different beginning and different challenges.
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So amazing to see these women, you know that that
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that that girl and her mother are both sober and
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have an amazing relationship and relationship with God and grandchildren.
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And you know the other girl is uh, you know,
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going to college now. Was just reunited with her son
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after you know, several years. Her son didn't want to
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be involved with her, and she didn't blame him, you know,
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she said, I understand her.
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Let me leave you alone for a while.
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Let me be sober and proved to you and show you,
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you know, she wasn't so selfish. Yes, And he came
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back and you know, just amazing and and the woman
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with eight children. She's a wonderful mother, she's a beautiful person.
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She's going to really she just got her state license.
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So oh that's wonderful.
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So tell me what does success look like to you?
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What does success look like to you today? I mean,
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aside from the fact that you are, and we need
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to point this out, she's a very successful realtor. But
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what does success look to you aside from real estate?
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Well, I mean I remember hearing a friend of mine
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said that alcohols are lucky in a way because we
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get to live two lives in one. And you might
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not be grateful for a soft pillow and a warm
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shower unless you've lived outdoors. You might not be grateful.
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To be a good mother, unless you've been a bad mother,
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you might not be grateful. I mean, success to me
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is that my daughter drops my grandkids off, you know,
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to spend the weekend with me. That I'm the I mean,
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this is I'm the one that my family comes to
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and calls and you know that that.
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Well, you're approachable, and you know, as a parent, that's
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that's our biggest is to be approachable.
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Okay, I've had enough with the crying. Okay, well you
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story is beautiful.
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It's a beautiful story, and the lesson in it is amazing.
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Yeah, the lesson in it is amazing.
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Because one of the things that people don't understand about
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us as agents is real truths, is that we really
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and truly, uh, you know, Jennifer takes some shopping, she
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brings them to the doctor.
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She you know, she does all those wonderful things.
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Because it's so much more than just real estate. And
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jen I mean her story is just.
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We get to be of service.
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Yeah, I means in.
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Real estate, talk about a god thing. Okay, So somebody
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offered to pay for me to go to real estate school.
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I'm like, real estate. I don't know anything about real estate. No.
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Second person, I was working over at Curves, the woman's
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gym or whatever, and Pat who owned First Choice or
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something up there, she said, you have a great personality.
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I'll pay for you to go to real estate school.
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I'm like real estate. No, Like, what's with this real estate?
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Is God trying to tell me something?
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Third person now he was shouting yeah. Now, he's like, listen,
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I'm trying to help you, you know, like go buy
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the line.
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The first as a whisper. The second was a conversation
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that that was a.
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See So we really do believe because the same thing
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happened to me when I was working at a restaurant
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as a waitress. I had so many different people say
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the same thing. You have a good personality, you should
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be in real estate. And I'm telling you. I was like,
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you know for the longest time, and here I am.
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Well, I was like waitressing. I'm like, if I screw
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their eggs up, it's like a couple of bucks. For
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real estate. I'm going to be in course, I don't mind.
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My story for how I became a real christ a
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little bit different. I was twenty three and we were
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in the restaurant business and my husband came home and said,
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you're going to college. I said, I am, because yeah,
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you're going to go to college for real estates that
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I am. He goes yes, because God forbid I die.
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I don't want you to be a waitress for the
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rest of your life. I want you to be able
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to support yourself. And that's I started at the age
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of twenty three at Pace University, but didn't practice until
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I was in my fifties.
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So well, I went back to college after I got
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sober I got the experience everything. I never went to
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high school, you know, I was in and out of institution,
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and you know, so I got to do all of that.
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We're so blessed to have you.
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But more importantly, I want you to give out a
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message to somebody out there, families out there that might
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be struggling with someone that has alcohol or drug abuse,
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and maybe give them an encouraging word and give them
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direction as to where to go.
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Okay, well, I mean I would say that, you know,
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the most important thing is that God loves you. God
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cares about you. God is a father. He doesn't love
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me more than he loves you. So if he gave
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it to me, he'll give it to you. You know,
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if there's a problem, it's not on God's side, it's
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on your side.
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There's things that you have to know, you got to
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lay down, You've got to change. God's always willing, God
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will always Yeah.
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Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable story. And I myself, I can't. I
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can't get over.
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You know, in the restaurant business, we ran into a
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lot of We started out with mothers that just wanted
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to make extra money on the weekend, and then I
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became like a drug rehab finding beds for people. I
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couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
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I just couldn't.
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I had to leave the business because I just couldn't
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find another bed.
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But you're probably approaching it from a different place. I'm
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approaching it. You know, I'm in it, I exactly, And
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you probably feel sorry for a bathroom. I don't because
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you know it's it's it's the good thing is It's
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like I'm tough, like as a sponsor one of because
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people you know that. It's like, listen, when I was drinking,
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I was going to find a drink no matter what.
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Nothing was going to stop me.
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So when I was really to get ready to get sober,
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nothing was going to stop me.
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Nothing was going to get it.
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So if something's stopping you and you have excuses, just
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take responsibility. You're just not ready yet and that's okay.
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But once you're ready, nothing's going to stop you.
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Oh you know what I mean.
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It's like if I was going to get a drink,
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I don't care if I have a gun to my head,
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Oh well, you're gonna have to shoot me.
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I'm getting a drink now.
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All of a sudden, I'm at AA, meaning someone rolls
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their eyes at me. Oh, I'm never going back, Like,
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when did you get so sensitive?
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Honey? You just are looking for an excuse to leave.
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And if you're looking for an ex yes.
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Yes, wow, you know that's well. We did.
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We've put a couple of people in programs. And one
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of the most amazing letters we got was a twelve
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step letter. And I had I had made a I'd
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made a contract with one of my employees, and I said,
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you know, if you come late, I'm going to fire you.
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Blah blah blah. My husband and my head server were enablers.
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And I'm not.
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I'm pretty I'm pretty tough. But what happened was he
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didn't come. It wasn't he missed one day of work
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and I met him out in the parking lot with
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his uh, with his pay, and he said, I called Pat,
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I called Donna.
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I said, well, that wasn't who the deal was with.
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It was with me.
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So here's your pay. Go with God, you know. And
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about four years later, I received a twelve step letter.
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We received a twelve step letter and it took us
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three days to read it. I mean, it was just
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heartbreaking and in the end, he wrote, and Mary Lou,
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I know you loved me the most because you were
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the only one that said, I can't watch you do
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this anymore.
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So if you're out.
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There, please please seek help and take take card from
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this wonderful story.
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This is an amazing story. You can do anything.
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And Jennifer came from from the worst beginning you could
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possibly imagine. And we can do nothing but admire her
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and love her for sharing her experiences. And I'm very
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proud of jen Archie get over there for not crying.
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She the whole time. It's a beautiful story, an amazing story.
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It was an amazing Well I met her and we
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just started talking and I'm like, oh my goodness, I
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have a podcast.
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You have got to come on. We've got to tell
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your story.
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And John Senior, my broker, was like the father I
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never had. He believed in me, and I respected him,
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I trusted him, and I thought, if he sees something
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in me, I'm so grateful.
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Well, you know, just it's amazing how one kind word
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can go a long way. And you know, so it's
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important for us to be kind to each other, especially
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in the world that we live in today. You know,
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I'm making a vow and I'm gonna It's going to
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take me a while, but I'm taking the word hate
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out of my vocabulary. I'm like, I'm hoping that by
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I think on fourth of July is when I'm we'll
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never use the word hate again, because I think there's.
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Other ways we can. You know, hate is such an
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ugly word. It's time for me to it. Yeah, I
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hate it. I do too.
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But you know, but you you are so inspirational and
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you need to you know, anybody out there, the real
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estate is so much more than putting a son in
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the ground and sitting at a closing table. And there
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are so many of us that do so much in
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the community. And I'm so proud to be part of
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those people that really and truly care. And Indian River
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I say it all the time, lucky us to live
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in Indian River County. There's no better place on the
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planet than Indian River County.
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Am I done?
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Jesse?
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Okay, I just want to say, Cassy, I haven't I have.
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He's going to put me in the other corner so
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I can see him waving at me. So for all
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of you out there, you know understand that realtors are
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are people too, and that many of us, like Jennifer
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and jen really and truly go out there and try
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to make a difference. I am shocked by the generosity.
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I wrote an article many years ago for.
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The TC Palm Real Estate Resources and I called it Sleeves,
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and in there I quoted a lot of what other
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Asians had done and they do.
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They do a tremendous amount of work. Thank you so much.
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God be with you.
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Chow for now and have the best day ever.
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But everyone, thank you, say goodbye everyone, Chow for now.
