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00:00:18.627Welcome back to another episode of C3. I'm Courtney Groskin,
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00:00:23.130and I'm here with Sandy Heiser. Sandy, what's new in your world?
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00:00:29.004Oh my gosh, Courtney, back to school is in full force. Did you have a good summer?
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00:00:34.424Yeah, it was great to take some time off in between our COG coach training and
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00:00:38.047everything else we had going on this summer, but lots of time in the garden,
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00:00:40.519lots of time in the yard with pickles. What about you?
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00:00:45.217Yeah, same thing. Well, and you read a lot of books. We both read like crazy
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00:00:53.229Yeah, lots of good reading happening. And we did get outside a little bit.
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00:01:03.917Today we're joined by Dr. Matthew Rhodes. He is an educational,
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00:01:13.857As a technology and instructional leader, coach, trainer, and professional learning
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00:01:28.807Dr. Rhodes also serves as a doctoral dissertation chair, coaching students through
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00:01:35.561His publications focus on using technology to amplify teaching and learning.
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00:01:40.147His books include Crush It From the Start, 25 Tips for Instructional Coaches
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00:01:45.035and Leaders, Co-Teaching Evolved, Crush It From the Start, 50 Tips for New Teachers,
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00:01:55.777He also hosts Navigating Education, the podcast, exploring topics related to
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00:01:59.791education, technology, and instruction. Welcome, Dr. Rhodes.
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00:02:03.971Well, thank you so much for joining us today. Welcome to C3.
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00:02:06.879Can you tell us about your experience in education?
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00:02:13.797Yeah, so I am currently supporting about 100 teachers now in my position,
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00:02:16.447supporting a lot of career education,
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00:02:23.807teachers, as well as new teachers and pre-service teachers through my day job and my university work.
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00:02:29.277So I see teachers on, you know, just starting their career as well as seasoned
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00:02:33.287teachers and also within, you know, really young,
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00:02:38.999you know, guys from like the TK all the way up to post-secondary.
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00:02:44.037So it's really cool to see and develop teachers across all, you know,
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00:02:50.267essentially all age levels and most content areas and also in some dual language
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00:03:02.337Well, we appreciate your university work because that makes our job a lot easier
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00:03:05.646when we go to hire these teachers that are really ready to jump in.
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00:03:11.848Yeah, certainly. And it's hiring season right now. So a number of my teachers
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00:03:16.718are just getting into applying for positions. And it's always fun to see the
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00:03:21.598next few months where teachers land right when they're beginning their career.
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00:03:25.728And just really telling them, you know, it's all about trying to find the right
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00:03:32.120fit, culture, and, you know, getting the support around you to be successful.
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00:03:34.673It's so critical those first five years.
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00:03:38.548Nice. Well, Dr. Rhodes, I know we're talking about coaching today,
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00:03:46.398but I did want to mention we had about 10 pairs of new co-teachers start at my school last year.
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00:03:51.188Just this school year that's finishing, and we kind of created a year-long support
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00:03:55.398system slash PD for them, and we drew on several books.
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00:04:02.728But we used your co-teaching book, the Co-Teaching Evolved, as one of our sources.
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00:04:07.438And we would meet like once a month, once every two months, and just get together,
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00:04:12.208check in, and then try to draw from several different books.
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00:04:18.258Pretty successful co-teaching. So anyway, appreciate that.
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00:04:23.108Oh, of course. No, I'm really happy that you guys were able to use the book
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00:04:29.438And, you know, in the future, just let me know how it's going after the first
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00:04:32.858year. You know, it's that the process, like with coaching, you're building a
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00:04:37.078program, you're building systems to support teachers and so that teachers can
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00:04:45.727Yeah, it was. I mean, the hope, of course, was always that the pairs would stay
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00:04:56.687but we'll see. We're going to build on on what we did this year.
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00:05:02.827But so for a coaching question, in your experience, what's the most common mistake,
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00:05:09.737instructional coaches or leaders make early on and how can they avoid it from the start?
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00:05:15.418I'll start from a leadership perspective first and then talk about how coaches can navigate this.
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00:05:21.297Sometimes I think when you go to districts, there's a lot of really not a true
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00:05:26.917definition of what an instructional coach does and essentially like what are their goals?
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00:05:30.817And when they go to different school sites, there's no goals in place related
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00:05:34.853They do a lot of things that is not coaching.
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00:05:42.887So they end up being a glorified sub on campus, or they are mostly navigating
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00:05:53.277So I think that there's a lot to be said about defining what the instructional
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00:05:59.487coach does from a district and school site level so that you can actually have
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00:06:02.088the coach go and coach teachers.
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00:06:07.117And additionally what does that coaching look like what are the expectations
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00:06:11.717for that coaching to look like is it mostly going to be more you know what we
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00:06:16.745call pop observations where there's pre-observation observation post post-observation
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00:06:25.947cycle or for example the grow model or for example you're going to have a lot
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00:06:32.828where the coach will go into the classroom and support teachers.
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00:06:44.416lunch or right after school or right before school, or they'll jump in and push
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00:06:51.136I think setting up those parameters of like what the expectation is of what
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00:06:53.764the coach is going to be doing with teachers, it's really key.
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00:06:58.516And as a coach, I think it's really important to be navigating,
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00:07:03.326like trying to figure out your own lane and your systems as a coach within the
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00:07:06.035parameters they give you because every
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00:07:10.749site you go to every district you're gonna go to it's gonna be a little bit different and,
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00:07:16.686you're gonna be navigating that lane that they have either paid for you or you're
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00:07:19.081gonna have to pay it yourself and i think just
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00:07:24.317really the goal is to focus on the coaching piece versus everything else i think
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00:07:31.531that has to happen and i often see that you know,
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00:07:37.956very commonplace where these you know these roles aren't defined or the goals
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00:07:50.956Supposed to do i think so that's what i see from like a leadership level and
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00:07:55.172then from a coaching level i see coaches tend to,
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00:08:01.716need to do and they don't have a system.
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00:08:06.862So for example, when they're observing teachers and they're collecting data.
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00:08:11.570They essentially don't have that in place and have to build it themselves.
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00:08:19.986building them. Or for example, there's a formal observation rubric for teachers,
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00:08:28.824I think that that's important, too. So we want to make sure that the coach knows
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00:08:36.610as well as they have that foundational piece so that they can go in,
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00:08:46.117coaching that they're doing so that they can, you know, start on the right foot and coach.
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00:08:50.854Also, too, I think a lot of coaches come into coaching without having a lot
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00:08:59.985before, but sometimes coaches come in really hot and sometimes they come in really cold.
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00:09:03.584So I think if you've seen a number of instructional coaches in your career,
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00:09:06.324you've seen people that are very enthusiastic.
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00:09:13.372especially working with teachers that may not be as open to coaching.
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00:09:22.905as well as I think when you're starting to coach, especially if you're a new
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00:09:26.865coach to a site, you need to make sure that you're everywhere.
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00:09:31.830So everyone knows who you are and be very clear along with administration.
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00:09:39.914been a coach there, it could be very invasive, the teachers.
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00:09:49.449and when it becomes more normalized hey this person's coming into your classroom
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00:09:54.701you know a number of times a week or hey you'll see them you know every month,
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00:09:59.125or they're going to be pushing in to your classroom to help you co-teach as
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00:10:02.703you're trying to learn this new strategy or ed tech tool for example,
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00:10:08.315so those are the types of you know, things that I always like to talk to school
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00:10:11.805leaders and coaches about because when you're starting out.
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00:10:13.820It's essential.
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00:10:17.935Yeah, we hear that time and time again about setting the expectations,
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00:10:21.865meeting with the leadership up front and finding out what the goal is as a coach,
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00:10:25.575what the expectations are, and really defining that job description.
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00:10:31.355So out of your book, there's 25 amazing tips. Which one tends to create the
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00:10:33.265biggest impact when implemented well.
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00:10:38.228Oh, man, that's a really tough question. I like to say that there's several.
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00:10:40.919If you pin them together, it's going to be helpful.
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00:10:46.548I think it just depends on where you're at as a coach. And, you know,
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00:10:49.958if you're just starting out or you've done this before. Or so,
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00:10:55.272I mean, I think first and foremost, as I kind of just mentioned before, just being visible.
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00:11:01.609I think being visible is key, but also really as you're, I call it the mobile coach.
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00:11:06.308While you're evaluating kind of, you know, the site itself and the teachers,
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00:11:12.932it's really understanding really who are people that are most willing to be coached.
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00:11:17.558And i talk a lot about in the book it's called the diffusion of innovation where
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00:11:22.068if a coach knows like hey you have 20 of people that are going to be very enthusiastic
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00:11:25.615to be coached that's the first group that you want to start coaching,
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00:11:31.398and then as you move into six months to a year to two years you want to focus
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00:11:35.378on what we call the mid-majority the mid-majority is where if you can get the
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00:11:37.051mid-majority which is like say like.
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00:11:43.13320% are the enthusiasm, they're enthusiastic. Then if you could get from like
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00:11:48.15820% to 60%, that's where you're going to start getting whole systems change.
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00:11:53.613So, and there are people that are going to be more willing as you move more
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00:11:57.173from the enthusiast because they're going to say good things about your coaching.
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00:12:02.073And when you get to that middle ground, you're going to get more people to buy in.
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00:12:07.613And if you can get that 60% bought in, There might be that 20% that may not
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00:12:12.069be fully bought in, but you're going to have close to 60 to 80% of the school,
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00:12:16.333on board of what you're trying to do and trying to improve in that area,
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00:12:19.942in that focus area, or maybe like two to three things.
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00:12:23.911So that's really critical. And a lot of coaches don't see that at first.
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00:12:29.193And I think leaders need to have conversations with coaches as well to kind of talk about,
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00:12:33.363you know, this is the first set of people that we really want to work with,
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00:12:38.173but we know that they're going to be more willing to try this to start or to
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00:12:39.697refine these practices.
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00:12:45.539I would say that the next thing that relates to this, but also is,
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00:12:49.572I think, a little bit different by combining the first tip of the book,
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00:12:54.101active listening, with tip number 11, think less is more.
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00:12:59.732I think that ultimately as a coach, you should be listening more at first in
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00:13:04.852your coaching conversations with teachers than actually delivering any coaching
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00:13:08.457because you need to understand that there's a lot of context,
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00:13:11.807that goes into a lesson and how they teach.
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00:13:17.212So I think asking questions about, you know, how have you done your backwards
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00:13:21.342design and really listening and hearing them out, like talking about the entire
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00:13:26.282process and then going into your lesson, you know, why did you design it this way?
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00:13:30.566Well, you know, the sequence of this hour or two hour lesson,
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00:13:35.582you know, tell me about the process in your thinking as to putting this together.
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00:13:39.962And then, you know, when they're teaching specifically, focus on one or two
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00:13:45.312areas and really just hear them out and ask them, like, why do you do a foot
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00:13:55.942Or why are you, you know, why are you using a concept math to explain this concept?
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00:14:01.592I mean, I think just the goal in any early coaching conversations is to actively
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00:14:05.902listen and learn everything you can about that teacher and build that trust
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00:14:09.575in that relationship. But understand, like, why are they doing things the way that they're doing it?
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00:14:13.882Because then that's going to give you that context that you're going to need
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00:14:15.122and that information needs.
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00:14:18.882Think about everyone's going to be a little bit different, but you're going
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00:14:22.652to have to press certain buttons and you're going to have to focus on certain
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00:14:25.960areas that they talk to you about.
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00:14:31.830I like more of the dialogical coaching in terms of my coaching style.
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00:14:37.356I like to listen and then hear them speak and then have a dialogue about it
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00:14:40.721versus more of authoritative coaching.
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00:14:45.136But that's just my particular style. And I talk about several different ways
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00:14:48.740of how to have coaching conversations in the book, including those two.
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00:14:52.376But then moving into the thought of once you have that information throughout
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00:14:54.091listening, you want to think less is more.
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00:14:57.016You don't want to focus on too many things in your coaching.
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00:15:03.502Focus on one of three things max with a teacher, and then you try to measure those things over time.
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00:15:09.990And oftentimes, as new coaches, you try to focus on too many things at once,
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00:15:12.045and you're not going to make that growth.
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00:15:15.581And I think in education, we focus on too many things at one time,
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00:15:20.495versus we should focus on really, really high leverage areas that can really
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00:15:22.385support student learning.
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00:15:26.845But also, I think it's important to teach teachers practices that are also ways,
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00:15:32.662that can help them be more sustainable in their practices and what ways to be more efficient.
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00:15:36.805Like, for example, when I work with ELI teachers, especially at the high school
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00:15:42.347level, I always ask them, I would not recommend reading everyone's entire essay,
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00:15:44.263for every single part of it.
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00:15:48.954I would say, let's focus on one area that we're working on. you know say we're working on
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00:15:53.625finding evidence related to a thesis statement so you're going to look at the
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00:15:56.935thesis statement and then a number of areas of evidence you're not going to
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00:15:59.539read almost the entirety of the paper you're going to read parts of it
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00:16:04.578and you're going to be evaluating those pieces because if you're reading the entirety of the paper
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00:16:09.128and assessing every single one it's going to take you hours and hours and hours to do this,
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00:16:11.305versus if we're focused on this,
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00:16:15.345we'll spend a lot less time and then when we provide the whole class feedback
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00:16:16.756or individualized feedback,
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00:16:19.970you're going to get a lot more bang for your buck because it's, you know,
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00:16:23.555it's only a couple of things that you're assessing and then you can go back
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00:16:29.755and reteach that versus focusing on the entirety of the paper and spending all that time.
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00:16:35.875And I think just really focusing on practices that not only are effective in
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00:16:40.475terms of evidence based, but I think in terms of sustainability are really,
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00:16:42.824really important when you're supporting teachers.
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00:16:47.383Yeah, I really love that idea of asking, just you talking about listening and
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00:16:51.362asking people why, you know, why do you do the things that you do and what,
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00:16:56.343just wonder how many have never even thought about why they do it that way or
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00:17:01.933how helpful it is to then say, oh, I guess let me, let me do a think aloud about
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00:17:04.638why I do that. And that's instructive in itself.
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00:17:09.473It really is. That metacognition piece is really critical, I think,
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00:17:11.983for a lot of things in life.
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00:17:17.113I think a lot of things that we try to answer, we can answer ourselves by thinking
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00:17:21.343about what we're thinking and having someone facilitate that in that dialogue.
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00:17:28.123Yeah. Well, you talked about coaches that come in cold, coaches that come in
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00:17:30.213hot, just those different approaches.
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00:17:35.113Is what's a mistake or maybe just a misstep that even an experienced coach might
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00:17:39.676make when trying to move a teacher forward and what would be your fix for it?
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00:17:44.033I think with teachers that may be a little bit more difficult than you're a
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00:17:49.237veteran, I think that you need to really understand, you know,
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00:17:52.360this idea of who to coach and when to coach.
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00:17:58.075It's kind of like having certain conversations with people when, say, for example,
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00:18:03.283this one teacher's going to you want to coach them you know at the beginning
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00:18:05.883of the year middle year or versus the end of the year,
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00:18:09.903you want to see like when that teacher is going to be I would say especially
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00:18:13.917if they're more resistant when's a good time of year when they're least busy
00:18:14.259 -->
00:18:19.031when are they going to not be as busy as they were in the past and I think,
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00:18:25.773some coaches really need to understand when teachers are really busy especially
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00:18:29.523certain teachers in different contact areas grade levels like for example we
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00:18:32.209just finished in california state testing.
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00:18:36.524It's probably not a good time to do a lot of coaching at that time,
00:18:36.998 -->
00:18:40.844but also, you know, different times of the year for certain teachers,
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00:18:42.548it's important to understand,
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00:18:48.264you know, what's going on in their classrooms and what are the big challenges that they're having.
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00:18:53.794And are they trying to find time when the teacher's under the least amount of
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00:18:59.674stress, especially if they are a little bit more, you know, defensive or don't want the coaching?
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00:19:05.492I think you've got to find those openings, and sometimes that's not necessarily an easy thing to do.
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00:19:09.056Sometimes that takes a lot of experience, understanding.
00:19:09.974 -->
00:19:14.194It's like the emotional intelligence skill of reading people and understanding,
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00:19:18.614what's going on in their schedule and workflow.
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00:19:26.794So it's something that is not necessarily an easy thing that someone can do,
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00:19:29.727regardless of whether they're new or seasoned in doing that.
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00:19:35.034I'm hearing a lot of intentionality about stepping back and reading the room,
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00:19:38.641so to speak, but really getting to know the culture of the building and maybe
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00:19:42.604the flow of the building when things might slow down a little and what might
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00:19:44.369be the prime opportunity
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00:19:46.325to work with certain people.
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00:19:53.704Yeah 100% and I think that you know as a instructional coach you should be able
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00:19:56.026to see the master schedule,
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00:20:01.644and really evaluate the master schedule as to why it's set up that way but also
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00:20:04.145then you need to be strategic in terms of,
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00:20:07.480groups of teachers that you're working with or teachers that you're working
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00:20:11.770with that can be best optimized within the constraints of that master schedule.
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00:20:16.756Because obviously there's contract, there's union things that you need to take into account.
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00:20:22.490But I think that understanding, I mean, it's one of the key facets of when I
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00:20:26.830go and talk to school leaders and coaches is that your master schedule is one
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00:20:30.284of the biggest, you know, significant pieces of your school culture.
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00:20:35.930It tells you what's important versus what's not important when you look at that.
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00:20:40.990And trying to find ways to help improve your staff within those constraints,
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00:20:45.148it's really key for you to try to navigate.
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00:20:50.269So that's really important there. But also I think that when you look at schools,
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00:20:55.140you need to figure out as a coach too to develop ways where you're providing
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00:20:58.410coaching, even though you might not be physically in those classrooms.
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00:21:03.390So I always recommend sending out a bulletin where you're at that week.
00:21:03.730 -->
00:21:06.700Say, for example, if you're multi-site, you could say, hey, I'm at this site
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00:21:10.830for a.m. and p.m. in the afternoon on Tuesday.
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00:21:15.363And then I'm here at this site on Wednesday and a.m. But I always like to throw
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00:21:20.280a coaching tip or a video in that little newsletter that I send out so they
00:21:20.280 -->
00:21:22.981could watch, you know, about 30 seconds to a minute.
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00:21:28.770Or it can be, I like to do infographics of, you know, a particular teaching
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00:21:30.463strategy. I think that's really helpful.
00:21:30.880 -->
00:21:34.396But then you also have a little website, maybe it's with the district of,
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00:21:38.599you know, what's happening with coaching this year? What are we working on?
00:21:39.208 -->
00:21:42.300And then what are some examples of, you know, whether they're infographics,
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00:21:45.770concept maps, as well as videos, so that you can always just pull from that
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00:21:50.010each week so that you can have that available whenever and you can send that
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00:21:52.200out whenever and refer to it whenever.
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00:21:56.330So you have constraints, but when you have information that can be available
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00:21:59.97724-7, I think that's really critical.
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00:22:04.193Yeah, and then that's a good way to read how people are ready when they want
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00:22:07.253to engage in a conversation, maybe about something that was in the newsletter.
00:22:07.695 -->
00:22:11.313Then that's your door kind of cracking open to maybe say that,
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00:22:14.563you know what, this is the right time to go in and coach that person or get
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00:22:16.632a cycle set up. Definitely.
00:22:17.417 -->
00:22:21.063So coaching, we know, can feel isolating at times. It's one of those one-off
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00:22:24.370positions when you're often the only coach in a building.
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00:22:28.893What do you recommend for coaches to maintain their own energy and avoid burnout
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00:22:30.388while pouring into others?
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00:22:34.463Yeah. So, I mean, if you're in a district where there's other instructional
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00:22:39.923coaches, I hope that you're meeting maybe like once a month or you have a group chat going.
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00:22:45.532Or if you're a singleton in your school or district, then I recommend,
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00:22:51.663you know, connecting with other coaches on LinkedIn or app slash Twitter.
00:22:52.003 -->
00:22:57.723There's different coaching through Google has coaching groups as well as does
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00:22:58.873other organizations like Digital
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00:23:02.950Promise. They had coaching resources and groups that you could join.
00:23:03.322 -->
00:23:06.653So I think finding people like similar to anything else in life,
00:23:06.653 -->
00:23:10.769you need to find people that are doing something maybe somewhat similar to you,
00:23:11.269 -->
00:23:16.667and start meeting, whether that's like monthly or having a group chat going or whatever.
00:23:17.636 -->
00:23:24.034You know, just a list of people that you can always contact and share your experiences with.
00:23:24.034 -->
00:23:28.344Because if you can't share your experiences with anyone, then you're not going
00:23:28.344 -->
00:23:33.634to have maybe that shared understanding or maybe sometimes don't feel like you're
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00:23:38.184being listened to because they don't understand fully the work that you're doing.
00:23:38.184 -->
00:23:42.834So I think finding people that are doing something similar to you is critical.
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00:23:45.134And there's a lot of different outlets that you can find that.
00:23:45.134 -->
00:23:51.854And then for sustainability, I think just in order to not burn out, it's all about systems.
00:23:51.854 -->
00:23:56.464If you don't have systems, then you're not going to navigate this well.
00:23:56.464 -->
00:24:00.014So like, for example, one of the systems that I always like is I'm going to
00:24:00.014 -->
00:24:06.584go do a lot of my on the spot coaching or observations during these times of
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00:24:09.774the day, like from nine to 11.
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00:24:13.247That's what's happening at that time. That's my non-negotiable.
00:24:13.537 -->
00:24:15.946I'm not going to get hold of anything else during that time.
00:24:16.573 -->
00:24:20.534At 3 p.m. or like 2 to 3 p.m., I'm going to sit down and do all my email and
00:24:20.534 -->
00:24:23.220paperwork. That's my non-negotiable.
00:24:23.684 -->
00:24:25.854Or, for example, I'm going to
00:24:25.854 -->
00:24:30.008do coaching cycles where I'm going to do my pre-observations on Mondays.
00:24:30.397 -->
00:24:34.629I'm going to do my observations on Wednesday that week. And then on Friday,
00:24:34.925 -->
00:24:38.031I'm going to do my post-observations. I'm going to try and schedule as many as I can.
00:24:39.284 -->
00:24:42.872Also, for example, like the website, the newsletter, I think is critical that
00:24:42.872 -->
00:24:47.669you can constantly just be utilizing as well as having a data collection system.
00:24:47.971 -->
00:24:53.962And I always recommend not try to reinvent the wheel. So if your district has
00:24:53.962 -->
00:24:57.102a data collection system or if you need to use one yourself,
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00:24:58.482I always recommend Connect Hub.
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00:25:02.972But I think just it's all based on systems. And if you don't have systems or
00:25:02.972 -->
00:25:06.083you're not organized, then that's how you're going to create burnout.
00:25:06.407 -->
00:25:11.942And that goes back again to the very beginning of defining what the coach does,
00:25:11.942 -->
00:25:16.722because if the coach has more roles than just coaching, they're more likely to burn out.
00:25:16.722 -->
00:25:22.292So I think it's really, really critical to really define what the coach is doing
00:25:22.292 -->
00:25:26.836at first and building systems of what that actually looks like.
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00:25:31.532Great advice. We're going to jump into the rapid fire portion.
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00:25:37.901So in about 10 seconds or less, what's one strategy every coach should have in their back pocket?
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00:25:45.892All right. One is, I think, just being able to model the strategy really well
00:25:45.892 -->
00:25:49.942before you actually go and coach a teacher on that particular strategy.
00:25:49.942 -->
00:25:54.622Make sure you know you're doing it right before you try to coach it. Yes.
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00:25:59.532If you had 60 seconds with a new coach, what's something you would tell them?
00:26:00.449 -->
00:26:06.042I would say to be visible, actively listen, use AI to help you do a lot of your
00:26:06.042 -->
00:26:13.163paperwork, and develop systems so that you can create a sustainable practice.
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00:26:17.072Thank you so much, Matt. We really enjoyed our conversation today,
00:26:17.072 -->
00:26:19.484and you had some great advice for all of our coaches.
00:26:20.378 -->
00:26:24.122Thanks, Matt. Thanks for having me. Matt gave us so many practical tips for
00:26:24.122 -->
00:26:25.661coaches to start at the school year.
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00:26:29.318We're wishing everyone a wonderful 26-27 year.
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