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C3, connecting coaches' cognition. It's time to get some coaching for the coach.
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Welcome back to another episode of C3. I'm Kourtney Groskin and I'm here with…
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Sandy Heiser.
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Sandy, what's new in your world?
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Oh, you know, we just finished our day eight. We wrapped our first seminar, Foundation Seminar
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with Cognitive Coaching.
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Woohoo!
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We had a really nice group. It was fun to finish up with them. And then we get, what,
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a month before we go right back into our next cohort?
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Yeah, I don't know what we're thinking doing. We're doing days one, two, we get a day off,
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and then three, four, we're just going to bang them all out in one week.
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Fast and furious.
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I'm starting to see the light at the end of the training tunnel, though.
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Yeah, and it will be interesting to see what it's like in terms of content acquisition
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when people have less time in between each of the days.
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Yeah, definitely, because we're used to doing them a month apart and you have to do a lot
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of refreshing at the beginning. So, yeah, what will it look like when we just learned
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that yesterday?
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Yeah, maybe a little bit less practice time in between, but like you said, maybe not as
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much of a need for review.
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Yeah, totally.
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So as we wrap up your first season on C3, I thought we'd do a little reflecting conversation
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today.
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Of course. Appropriate.
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So how do you think your first season went?
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I think it went okay. You do so much of the work, so I just kind of show up and figure
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out what's going on and talk to some really nice, interesting people.
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It's a lot of prep, but, you know, having a partner in this makes it all worthwhile.
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What are some of the favorite guests you had on the episodes?
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Oh, my gosh. Each one of them was so different, but I really loved Joellen is coming to mind,
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Joellen Killian, just a lot of her just decades of learning around what makes an effective
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instructional coach and what makes effective coaching.
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And so much of her work aligns to what we're trying to do with cognitive coaching from
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Fixer to Empowerer, you know.
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The other one that really stuck with me was Craig Randall from the Trust-Based Observations
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book just because that's so much a part of my life in terms of being an administrator
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and evaluation.
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So his work really made me think a lot about how to make the evaluation process better
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for teachers.
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Yeah, I think, you know, when you look at your core values that work Joellen does grounded
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in the coaching and not the fixing.
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And then, like you said with Craig, with how to improve the observation process and make
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it more meaningful is always important.
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What are some key learnings that you learned along the way that you want to bring forward
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maybe into your year next year?
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Just learned a lot about the last maybe year and a half.
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I have not engaged as much with the, just not necessarily being on as much social media
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and so not engaging as much with new things and new books, new content coming out in education.
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So it really got me back into engaging with some of that content and some great work that
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people are doing right now.
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I feel like I used to be a lot more current with that work.
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So it's nice to be back in it and it's nice to be back thinking about I probably would
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not engage with AI as much if I wasn't friends with you.
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And so I've learned a lot about AI and just the different ways it can be enhancing our
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work through the whole season.
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So I think that was another big, big learning takeaway.
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Yeah.
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So how might you marry AI to help you stay up on that research and keep things a little
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current there?
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Yes, exactly.
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Well, I'm hoping the next season we'll keep, that's my plan for staying current.
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Well, that's the one benefit of doing this podcast, right?
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Is we get to talk to the people doing the research and writing the books and, you know,
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we get 30 minutes of one-on-one time with them to ask all of our questions.
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So what better way to stay on top of the research?
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Totally.
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How do you think you may, you know, sustain that focus of integration of AI and research-based
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practices?
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Well, we're doing some, we're doing, making some changes in how we create PD here at Skyline.
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We're moving from a model where district folks were working with our impact teams to
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next year having a model where our teachers design and facilitate the PD themselves based
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on staff interests.
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So I think, and AI was a clear interest area when our principal surveyed the staff.
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So I think that out of that homegrown professional development will come a lot of current issues
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and current research that we could use to, you know, to help our students.
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Yeah, that alignment is so important.
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It's not just one more thing added on when you kind of streamlined the goal and the focus
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is the same for everyone and moving in that same direction really helps keep it at the
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forefront.
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Yes.
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Agreed.
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People are hoping for a book study.
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So we just have to figure out also what would be, there's so many good books out there.
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So what would be a great, maybe our listeners will give us some book study suggestions.
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Yeah.
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Hit us up on LinkedIn and inbox us those suggestions or when this episode goes up, comment on it
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and leave your book study recommendation.
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It's the best way to crowdsource.
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Yes, please do.
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Well, we can't wait to follow your journey through that book study next year on the podcast.
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Yeah, it should be fun.
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Maybe we can get whichever, the future book, the author will have to be one of our guests.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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What advice would you give to a new administrator as they're listening to this and maybe starting
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out their journey?
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Oh my gosh, a brand new, and we have some in the district this year, some people entering
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administration for the first time.
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And then we have also a cohort of aspiring administrators that are studying right now
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in St. Vrain.
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So I think the advice would be to, well, obviously take cognitive coaching with me and you.
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That's advice number one.
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And then I think also to really check out some of the guests we had on and dig deeper
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into their work this season.
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And you've been doing this a lot longer, so I'm sure you have guests that you would recommend
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from many different seasons.
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But just from this season alone, I think a new administrator could get some really great
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advice and tips and lots of places to jump off with either staff PD or just in their
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own one-on-ones with teachers.
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Yeah, so try not to get bogged down in all the minutiae, maybe taking some time to continue
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your learning to get new ideas.
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Yes, also go to Teach to Reach.
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Register.
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Yeah, Teach to Reach is one day this year, and I know registration is ticking up.
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So if you want your spot, be sure to get in on Teach to Reach.
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Yes.
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Well, Sandy, I appreciate you taking the time to reflect on your first season with C3.
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It's been a pleasure having you, and we're glad you'll be returning in the fall.
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And for our listeners, be sure to listen back in September.
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We'll be back with a brand new episode.
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Excellent.
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Thank you.
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Thank you to all our amazing guests who took the time to be on C3 this season.
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And for our listeners, we'll be back the first Thursday in September.
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Be sure to subscribe and follow us on social media.
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Thanks for listening to another season of C3.
