Hegseth’s Military of the Future: Led by Musk and Gingrich 10/1/26

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Mark, are you here? Yes, he's here. Hello, Mark.
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Hello. Thank you, everybody. Nice to have everyone. Oh, thank you. Well,
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latecomers are welcome. Thank you. Nothing like a recorded audience
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on a wonderful day in which we can review for
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you the madness that is coming out of the Pentagon.
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By the way, one of the funniest things to me
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about the Pentagon. I mean, there's so many fun. I'm
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sorry to see your pieces off. Everything's all screwed up. Sorry.
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I'm not quite... Locked in with the technical side. Yeah,
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sorry about that. One of the funniest things about the
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Pentagon thing to me is, I mean, already before even
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Hegseth got there, it was the colossal waste of money
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that we all know it to be. It's unauditable. They've
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tried to audit the Pentagon budget and they haven't been
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able to. We know it's just a monumental waste. And
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the idea that you could call this guy and, you know, he's,
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you know, they all worship at the... the church of, uh,
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the oligarchs. So you bring in the apex predator of
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the oligarchy who literally was given the keys to government.
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That's Elon Musk. And you bring him in, uh, into
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the Pentagon, which as I say, is the most wasteful
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institution in Washington. The guy who created Doge, which was
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a fraud, but, uh, I think it's just, it's funny
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to me that, you know, of course, Musk is back
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in the game. Crazy. Absolutely.
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Great.
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We'll, we'll get to all of that. Uh, Great show.
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Thanks for being here. It really is a great show ahead.
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Skye Perryman is coming in. She's written a new book.
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And it's a really, in a way, it's a call
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to action, but it's a how-to. It's really how the
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institutions of America aren't enough. It's what we talk about
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all the time, that faith in the institutions isn't going
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to get you across the finish line. She has, again,
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it's sort of a how-to on.
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Bringing.
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the power of the people back and what you can do.
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And she, as you know, as the CEO of democracy forward,
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which is this, uh, nonpartisan legal organization, that's won a
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bunch of cases, you know, through litigation, uh, and regulatory
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engagement and policy education, they've done so much. So it's
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not as though she's, you know, just, uh, an author
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who's got an idea. She's doing the heavy lifting anyway. That's, uh,
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Her new book is Ordinary People, Extraordinary Times. Skye Perryman
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will be here. Yeah. Of course, David Katz joins us
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as well, the brilliant former federal prosecutor, now defense attorney.
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And Marsha Chatelain will be here as well. She is
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an academic. I think she's out of UPenn, University of Pennsylvania.
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That's right.
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And she's won the Pulitzer Prize for her history book. Uh,
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the golden arches in black America. She, in addition to
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the Pulitzer, she's just a brilliant, revered professor. And she
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has a new book, how bright the path grows. The
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untold story of the women who made the March on Washington.
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It's a really cool. X-ray of a movement that on
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the one hand had a lot of women who were
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helping to animate it. And on the other hand. those
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women were not allowed to participate in the limelight and
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the credit, if you will, and bask in the glow
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of that victory.
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It turns out misogyny has no color.
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Yeah. But I ask her, it's funny you say that,
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because I ask her about that, and her answer will
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surprise you.
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Really?
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Okay.
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Even they were misogynist, is what you're thinking, is what
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you just said. But the answer that she gives is
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really interesting. So that's coming up in just a few minutes.
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So we'll get to that. Not much time to do
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a lot of stuff, right? So anything I need to know?
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Albert is here. Albert, are you still on final baby approach?
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Yeah, we had an appointment this morning. Everything's looking good.
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Everything's sounding good.
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I love it. Good, good news. And Kim is tending
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to her Uh, teenagers now. I mean, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So good, good, good news. Good work soldiering on the
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Mark Thompson show, by the way. What a wild story. Uh,
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there are two wild stories. I wonder if I can
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put them together. Uh, Albert, we haven't done it in
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a while. Do you have law and disorder handy? All right,
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I like these two stories. I'll put them together. At
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least these two will lead the madness off with some
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law and disorder.
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In the criminal justice system, the people.
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Pimps, addicts, thieves, bums, winos, girls who can't keep an address,
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and men who don't care.
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Are represented by two separate and equally important groups.
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A cop, a flatfoot, a bull, a dick, John Law,
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you're the fuzz, the heat, you're poison, you're trouble, you're
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bad news.
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These are their stories.
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Bizarre thing happened. A bizarre thing happened in the world
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of Tennessee. They had a woman, this just happened last night,
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who was slated for execution, and they did give her
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two doses of the lethal injection associated with her execution. She's...
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convicted of murdering her roommate. I think many years ago,
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these things go on a while, but apparently the day came, right?
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But they suspended the execution because she survived these two
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doses of the lethal injection. It was the second botched
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execution in the state of Tennessee this year. There were...
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delays of this execution they had to do those delays
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some of them with the chemicals used but This is
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bizarre And it's not clear what went wrong, but apparently
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she was snoring during this entire thing she lost consciousness
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and She could be heard audibly snoring and so they go,
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you know, they knew and This is not working, whatever.
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So after hitting her with two of these things, they
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take her to the hospital. At one point, they said
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she described a burning spot on her arm that felt
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like it was going to burst. She asked if that
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was normal. The curtains, which can separate the people who
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are witnessing, you know, there are always witnesses to these things, journalists,
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et cetera. They were closed for a moment. Then they
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were reopened. And then they were closed again. for nearly
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an hour, reporters said. And reporters said that they could
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hear breathing and steady snoring. Then reporters were told to
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leave for a news conference, and emergency vehicles arrived at
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the prison, and this woman is being treated. Again, this
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is the second time this year that Tennessee has had
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an issue. In May, they called off one of four
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planned executions because the medical staff couldn't find a vein
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while administering the lethal drug. So her lawyers argued that
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this could be a torturous procedure because she has small veins. Anyway,
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the situation, bizarre, messed up. And again, I don't know
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what the future of this woman is, but it will
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be a while, I would think, until they try this again.
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Donald Trump, in a bizarre moment, Welcoming, welcoming Hispanics to
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the white house. And it is, uh, I guess part of,
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is it national Hispanic heritage month? Is that the reason that.
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The heritage month had a celebration event for them?
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And, uh, he made these statements, uh, just to kind of, uh,
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kick things off. He wanted to show them the ballroom
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and he's saying, Hey, you know, when you go in there,
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it's kind of in a raw state, this ballroom. So
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watch yourself.
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Just loosen up.
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But here's the thing.
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You're going to walk out there. We have no fencing.
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We have no nothing. But we've got a big, fat,
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beautiful space. Just don't get too near the edge because
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it's a long way down. And I'll be criticized by
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my people that life and safety, they call it life
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and safety. In fact, Sean Duffy will probably say, I
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don't like what you're doing. But if you like, that
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door is right there. That's a door that goes to
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a magnificent glass tunnel.
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All bulletproof glass, thank you very much. The glass is
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this thick. You wouldn't believe it. And yet you can
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see through perfectly.
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It gets installed, and about two weeks from now, it
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starts going up. So there's a tunnel going to what
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will be, I think, the greatest ballroom ever built. It's
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also a tremendous military complex with a drone port on top.
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It's quite the place.
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And you literally will be the first group ever to
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enter the premises. So be very careful. Don't fall over
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the edge because it's a long way down. And only
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a Hispanic could survive that fall. So I'm not overly worried.
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Yeah, just a weird thing to to. say, I suppose. What? Yeah, finally,
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I would just mention this in the world of disorder.
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A bizarre incident in the skies. I think we reported
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on it, bid on it yesterday, but the revelations that
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are coming forward as to details of this flight are remarkable.
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Take a look.
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This morning, a pilot and passengers hailed as heroes after
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they thwarted a cockpit attack on a flight from Dubai
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to Tel Aviv with 174 people on board, including four Americans.
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Harrowing images showing the aftermath of the attack, the co-pilot
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stabbing the captain, then putting the plane into a nosedive.
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You can hear the panic on board when the passenger
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jet plunges.
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It is difficult to watch.
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Israel's prime minister now saying it's too early to say
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whether this was a terror attack.
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I don't think it was a hijacking.
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I think it was, it looks like a suicide attempt.
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About two hours into the flight, passengers say the co-pilot
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used a knife to stab the captain, now identified as
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Smith Mashar from India, the alleged attacker an Omani national,
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according to authorities. The passenger jet plunging more than 14,000
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feet in less than 30 seconds.
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Let's see what the passengers can imagine.
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Passengers screamed, drowning out a faint announcement to fasten seatbelts.
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It was a full, like, taverns opening and everything, like,
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chaos screaming and just a crazy drop.
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Like, you look at the ground and you're like, OK,
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I'm going that way right now.
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In the midst of that terrifying dive, Captain Machat fighting
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back and sending out a silent signal, alerting air traffic
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control of a violent incident in the flight deck. The
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injured pilot managing to open the cockpit door so passengers
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could get into health. Passenger Yaniv Hayun, an Israeli plumber,
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subdued the suspect. Hayun, who has no flight training, says
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he pulled the plane out of that nosedive by copying
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what he had seen in TV programs on aircraft mishaps.
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Hayun telling reporters, thank God he did not succeed.
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Dr.
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Musaev, a dentist, jumping in to help and taking these images,
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as he and other passengers tend to mashar while restraining
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the attacker.
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So this airplane is pointing almost straight at the ground,
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going over 600 miles an hour, twice the speed that
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it's designed to go. And the passenger pulls back on
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the control column, just like at the bottom of a
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roller coaster, and pulls just enough to recover the airplane,
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but not so much that he did structural damage or
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ripped the wings off.
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The co-pilot detained in Saudi Arabia is now being interrogated,
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according to Israeli officials. Relief for those on board as
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the plane safely landed in Tabuk, Saudi Arabia.
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That moment we understood that we are safe, that we
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are safe.
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And of course, seeing Saudi Arabia people It was very,
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very emotional for.
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Us as well.
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Medical teams on the ground standing by, and these images
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taken of the plane after landing show the damaged tail
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partially split off as a result of that rapid dive.
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Another plane transporting those passengers to Tel Aviv.
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Good evening, Dagubai 1073, Bangalore Tower. Welcome to Israel.
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Thank you for bringing our passengers safely back home.
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Emotional reunions as loved ones finally made contact.
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That has got the most insanely harrowing, obviously, and also
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incredible relief. I mean, that's an amazing story, just an
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amazing story.
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It's great.
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He learned off of, like, YouTube videos and a TV
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show to do all of that.
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It's true. What a world we live in. Everything with
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citizen journalists. Tight on time, I guess. All right, for now,
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that's Law and Disorder.
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Tune in again next time for more Law and Disorder
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on The Mark Thompson Show.
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All right, that's it. Let's roll. Hey, let's be careful
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out there. That was kind of a janky Law and Disorder,
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but you got the idea. The Mark Thompson Show. Thanks
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for being here, everybody. I did want to— I don't know
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what to do now, Kim. I've gotten way behind. I
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want to get to some of this Hegseth stuff, and
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I've got that interview to run tomorrow.
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You want to try to do it at the end
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instead of now?
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Yeah, let's push it, too. Let's push it.
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We'll do that.
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We'll do it at the end. It's a great, great conversation,
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so I want people to hear it. But for now,
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so the Marcia Chatelain stuff will move to the end.
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For now, I want to get to Hegseth, who was
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doing his Hegseth stuff. And so to me, it's important.
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It's not just disgusting. It's not just kind of like
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hate porn. It's real important stuff. The Mark Thompson Show.
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Pete Hegseth, who is the head of the military, major
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upgrade from his last job, which was being the weekend
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host on Fox News Channel. Pete Hegseth has made an announcement.
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He made one of those huge announcements. He's big into media,
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as you're aware. He's boosted the media budget at the Pentagon.
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And in this case, in a very high-profile announcement, he
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spoke about many things, including Project Meridian. It's cut to three.
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Today, at my direction, I'm announcing Project Meridian, an effort
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led by America's best minds to study the.
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Future of warfare.
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Under the leadership of the department's chief technology officer, Emil Michaels,
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Project Meridian will be co-led by three of our nation's
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best minds, Elon Musk, Palmer Luckey, and Newt Gingrich, all
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of whom are up in the audience with us today.
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Please stand if you would.
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Those three great Americans are going to be joined by
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a team of senior leaders, hand-picked private sector leaders, and
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subject matter experts from across our nation's unmatched innovation, academic,
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and policy ecosystems.
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Project Meridian, the future of warfare.
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Is not about developing new strategies or new policies.
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We already do that.
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Rather, its purpose is to creatively look to the future
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and identify the domains that we must conquer and capabilities
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we must master. We should have been thinking about autonomous
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warfare command 10 years ago.
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We need to be looking.
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Forward into the future to achieve technological and military dominance
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on the battlefield for decades to come.
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It is futuristic on purpose.
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Their work will be focused on discovering, developing, and fielding
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the weapons and systems that our children and our grandchildren
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will need in their lifetimes without any creative limitations or restrictions.
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On any future battlefield, from under the earth to beyond
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the moon, our American warriors will be armed with absolute
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technological superiority. because we will have the foresight to prepare
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today for tomorrow.
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And we're going to do so rapidly.
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That's why I'm directing Project Meridian's findings to be completed
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and submitted within 120 days, culminating in a full public rollout,
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of course, a classified annex to ensure this is not
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just another endless Pentagon.
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Study that is outdated before it is finished.
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In fact, Our first meeting with those three great Americans
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in a small group of us is happening in a
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skiff about 200 yards away right after this speech.
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We're going to hit the ground running.
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Okay, so hitting the ground running is what he's going
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to do. He's also, as you know, been running already.
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There were 10 four-star generals on active duty when he
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took office. Now they're just five, the smallest number to
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lead the service in years. He's overseen this vast reduction
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in the number of top-ranking military personnel across the board.
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He is really getting rid of all the battle-tested leaders
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and just bringing these agenda items associated with getting rid
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of wokeness, bringing a religiosity, and as you'll see, and
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I'll play for you, bringing some of the, I'll just
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say it, the defense oligarchy, which so much of Washington
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responds to, bringing them into the Pentagon. I mean, formally
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bringing them in. It's a remarkable thing to see him
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appoint to key positions in the Pentagon someone like Elon Musk.
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But appoint Elon Musk, he does. And Elon Musk, along with... Well,
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let's get to that part. Albert, what cut is that?
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Do we have.
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Do we have the Musk appointment alongside his others? Do
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we have that?
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I think it was just in that quick clip that
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he just talked about how the three people he appointed.
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Okay, so there you have it. I'm sorry. So he
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makes that reference, and to me it's crazy simply because,
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as I've said, you have the apex predator of handouts.
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Elon Musk, who here is sharing. with that chainsaw representing Doge,
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being brought into the most wasteful institution in Washington, which
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is the Pentagon, and somehow being appointed to a position
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that will involve the future of the Pentagon, the future
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of the military. And, you know, again, I've not ever
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heard Newt Gingrich's name mentioned in any way in a
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high-profile Pentagon or military speech. It's crazy. And the third
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guy is also a defense contractor, this guy Lucky. Again,
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these people are those who are beneficiaries, certainly Musk and Lucky,
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of immense government contracts already. And now you're bringing them
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into the Pentagon to help determine the future of military
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and the future of strategies when it comes to designing
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military leadership for the future. It's crazy. And you can say, well, no,
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they're only concerned with changing the way in which the
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military operates, the digital sphere, the the way in which
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we need to use AI or we need to increase
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our technologies when it comes to the military. It doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter. These are outsiders who have huge contracts
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with the Pentagon, existing deals, and the U.S. government beyond
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the Pentagon, and now you're giving them control over over
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future deals and U.S. policy. It's an outrage. It probably
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is illegal, or at least it treads that gray area
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of legality. So this is unprecedented. It's lunacy. Newt Gingrich
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is a culture warrior. That's the reason he's there. He's
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a culture warrior like Hegseth. And now we get to
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the culture that Hegseth really wants to promote. through his
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power at the Pentagon. Cut four. It's the establishing of
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the Religious Affairs Office.
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Today at my direction, I'm establishing the Office of Religious Affairs.
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Starting today and for Secretaries of War after me, the
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Office of Religious Affairs will report straight to the top.
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No staff filters, no bureaucratic dilution, a direct line to
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the Secretaries. This is not going to be a paper-pushing shop.
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It's going to have real teeth.
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It'll protect budgets.
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Demand infrastructure, and strengthen religious support. The experts, our chaplains,
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will finally have an advocate at the highest levels. Policy
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and resources will serve the mission, not smother the mission.
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As Psalm 3312 extols us, blessed is the nation whose
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God is the Lord.
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And this is just outrageous that you have this kind
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of fealty to religion being promulgated by the top guy
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at the Pentagon. It's just absurd. And obviously, Hegseth, in
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my judgment, has wrapped himself, as so many of these
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culture warriors have, in God. And, you know, if you
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mention God a lot and if you quote Bible, somehow
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that elevates you. And it may work on some level.
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But once again, it is a go-to move on the
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part of Hegseth. So this is his, this is something
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that he doesn't spend a moment on. He spends quite
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some time on. Play cut six.
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Without the most essential component of our republic. Faith. Faith
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in something greater than us. When an American warrior.
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Raises their right hand to defend our nation, you sign
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away a lot more than just time.
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You miss births. You miss first steps. You miss final goodbyes.
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You miss other civilian careers.
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But one of the costs that is rarely thought about
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or talked about is the loss of your religious community.
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Every time we issue orders to move a warrior to
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a new location, They leave behind the faith community, the
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church that grounds them. For people of faith, that community
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isn't just a nice to have. In many ways, it's
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an extension of their family. It's their moral foundation or
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their personal and spiritual accountability.
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The very bedrock of their warrior ethos.
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When you actually look at the numbers, and this will
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be good for the press, less than 5% of our
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force identifies as non-religious. Less than 5%. meaning 95% of
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our force recognizes an almighty God. Accordingly, our department therefore
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has a sacred duty. First class religious support wherever we
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send our warriors. Now for far too long, we didn't
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prioritize that duty at all.
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It was an afterthought.
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Political correctness and secular humanism got a vote, chaplains did not.
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Budgets were cut.
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Resourcing and manpower needs were ignored, base chapels fell apart.
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Decisions about faith and religion were made by secular careerists
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in cubicles and lawyers running around with red tape. Now,
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we don't put non-lawyers in charge of the JAG Corps
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or non-doctors in charge of military surgeons.
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Yet for decades, we let people with.
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No expertise in faith or religion dictate.
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The spiritual life of our warriors.
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The people who actually practice faith and religion, our chaplains,
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were buried echelons deep waiting for permission. We asked chaplains
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to serve and sacrifice and then sideline them with paperwork
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and process.
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And that ends now.
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So you have the increase of this religious arm of
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the Pentagon in a formal way. I mean, he literally
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has established an office of the Pentagon that will be budgeted,
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an office of religious affairs. It'll be staffed, and clearly
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it'll be prioritized based on the amount of time he
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spent on it and based on his disposition. So let's
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just review. He talks about how he is going to
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trim down the Pentagon, right? He's eliminating 20% of the military,
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and then, and a lot of it at the high end, right?
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And I believe that there's a loyalty test involved, and
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I believe that he's really building a military with a
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fealty to those things that he values. So this anti-woke
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thing that he's talking about, he even talks about the
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military past administrations and how he wants to get rid
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of woke. And yet then he builds up all of
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these other, on the expansion side of things, institutions within
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government and within the Pentagon that he's just invented. He
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announced a bunch of them. Play the wokeism though, because
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this is his big thing. And then we'll wrap Hegseth,
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but I have one more thing to tell you about.
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But Hegseth getting rid of wokeism and throwing in a
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dash of something that we know all too well, testosterone.
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The ideological clowns are out. The patriotic cowboys are in
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with testosterone testing on top. Diversity is not our strength.
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Unity is our strength because what.
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The ideological.
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Yeah.
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He can talk about, um, again, uh, the, uh, bureaucracy
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being eliminated and, uh, then he builds another bureaucracy, right?
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So you can say you're getting rid of woke, you're
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replacing woke with heavy religiosity. And this state of the
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force speech and everything is named with this crap that
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he gets off on so much, Project Meridian and the
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Office of Religious Affairs. So he has this whole group,
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hundreds of troops assembled there, and he speaks to them
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about this expanding Pentagon overwhelming budget that will include all
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of these things. And then he brings on Elon Musk
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and Newt Gingrich and a major military contractor to help
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them plot the future. The guy's a mess. And now
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let me speak about the one important thing apart from
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all of his performative crap, because he is playing a role.
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He is a real actor now. in the theater of
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running the Pentagon, because we know he doesn't know what
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he's doing, right? We know that he had that whole
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signal chat thing going on. He brings his wife to
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a bunch of meetings. He's very careless with top secret stuff.
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He's just like Trump. He talks about how great everything is,
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how we're winning everything. He blows off the munitions of
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the U.S., He blows them away in a month's time.
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I mean, that was a reckless military move. I've read
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it in many, many places. This war is being prosecuted
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in a reckless way. And now, while he is having
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that moment where he is getting off on pacing the
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stage and making all these announcements and hobnobbing with Elon
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Musk and the rest... He is sending 10,000 more troops
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to the Middle East, to this war that now is
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eight months in and shows no signs of winding down.
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In fact, there are notions and murmurs, and Trump has
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said that after the midterms, there may be a massive
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escalation in this whole thing. Now, that could just be talk.
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But my point is, hey, you have a five-alarm fire
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going on in the Middle East. And you're sitting here
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talking about a battle on wokeism and how the Office
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of Religious Affairs is going to handle a bunch of
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problems at your Pentagon. It's gross. It's ridiculous. It's absurd.
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In addition to that, their plan's being drawn up for
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an attack on Cuba. So these guys aren't done. They
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had Venezuela. They had the 13-day thing in Iran. They're
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blowing boats out of the Caribbean like a kid at
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a shooting gallery at a state fair. They're killing people there.
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Then they go into this ridiculous war with Iran, and
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they're talking about a flex in Cuba? But let's talk
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about faith and the war on wokeism. This is what
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you get when you hire incompetents. And of course, lead
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incompetent is Trump, who's running the American economy into the
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side of a mountain. And so he hires other incompetents
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along the lines of Hegseth, and they are destroying the military.
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There are loyalty tests. It's all about how many pushups
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you can do. He has a backward view. of what
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the military is capable of and for all the concern
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for the future of the military and the future of fighting,
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the Pentagon got rid of the cyber operations. You remember
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that happened last year. They shut down cyber operations and
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our cyber division that is associated with American, if you will,
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government hackers, working against American adversaries like Russia. So you
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tell me, Hegseth, a horribly failing grade, but he prances
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around the stage and preens around the stage as he
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makes these announcements and flexes his power. It's really the
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worst of the ugly America that has been created through
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the decades. the fire-breathing dragon of the Pentagon. America's military
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might was always one of those things that was held
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in abeyance. So you had a soft power of America,
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the economic power of America, the power of American reach
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when it came to relief aid, when it came to
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those things that were associated with humanitarian aid. And by
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no means has American history been... devoid of examples of
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the brutality of America. I mean, grabbing what we want.
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But there was a soft power that is extremely valuable.
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That's all gone now. Now you have a guy in
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Pete Hegseth and in Donald Trump in this administration, and
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they just flex the hot power. They want hot wars.
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They feel we are the strongest, we're the military, and
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we want to bring it. We want to bring it
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hot in Iran. We want to bring it hot in Cuba.
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in Venezuela, in Greenland. So just a coda to this.
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I was reading something. This is actually a couple of
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weeks ago. I think it was in Trita Parsi's Substack
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saying that there is a feeling among many of foreign
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leaders that the more America is caught in the quagmire
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of Iran, the better it is for the world because
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it restrains the instincts of Trump and his people to
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expand with military adventurism of the sort that I've just mentioned.
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So it keeps them out of Cuba. It keeps them
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out of Greenland. And you could even argue that that
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Greenland agreement that was made, the idea was, let's get
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this deal done before the midterms so that in the
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desperation that will follow the midterms, should Trump really take
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the beating that it looks like he may take, and
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those midterm elections are honored with, and you know how
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I feel about that, with actually seating those who've won,
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you won't have a desperate president going for Greenland. So
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in other words, that deal was made there. But there
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are many around the world that view the quagmire of
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Iran as sort of a built-in restraint on Trump's desire
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to kind of flex more, and that desire is obviously
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backed up by Hegseth. It's a mess, but it's our mess, so.
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Cat's next. David Cat's coming up. The Mark Thompson Show.
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What can I say? I'm so excited everybody showed up here.
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The Mark Thompson Show. One of the great... minds and
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analysts when it comes to the law in the English-speaking world.
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You'll see him across Fox News Channel. You'll see him
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on News Nation, on the BBC, and across America. I've
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seen David Katz actually crop up on Los Angeles television
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and New York TV. I would just love our time
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with him. He comes in on Thursdays. He's the brilliant
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former federal prosecutor. Now he's a defense attorney in Southern California.
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David Katz, everyone.
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Mark, great to be with you.
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Good to be with you, sir. What's top of the
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docket for you in Cat's Land these days? Are you
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still doing all those wild court cases?
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I am. I was just in New York, actually. I
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got in just right after the storm hit so bad.
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I got in Sunday night, but it was brutal on
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Saturday from everything I heard. And then I have a
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case out here in Los Angeles in federal court, a
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couple of other cases here and around the country. But
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I juggle those balls and try to keep informed on
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all the U.S. Supreme Court news, all the other news.
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You know, they're back in first Monday in October. They're
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going to be back in session. People ask, well, wait
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a second, didn't they decide cases over the summer? They
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didn't have arguments and they're in different places. They might
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be in Maine, they might be somewhere else. And of
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course now they're in touch through their clerks and everything.
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And so they can make these emergency orders and grant
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stays and things like that. But they're back in session
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having oral argument in Washington, DC first Monday in October,
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as it's called.
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Yeah. You know, I hadn't expected to lead with this,
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but it's just funny. Dilette is asking this question and
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she's a hall of fame supporter of this show. and
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channel member. Looking forward to catch Neat's opinion on the
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Tennessee fiasco. I presume she means the botched execution. Is
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that what she means? Is there another fiasco in Tennessee?
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I know they serve them up quickly, but they tried
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to execute this woman, and this is the second botched
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execution attempt in Tennessee. They gave her the lethal injection,
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then they gave her another one, I think, And they
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couldn't get her to respond the way that they wanted.
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And she snored through the whole thing, although she expressed
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the sense of pain. And ultimately, they aborted the whole
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thing and they took her to an hospital. emergency room. Thoughts? Well,
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the U.S.
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Constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment. They haven't ruled that
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Any imposition of the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment.
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They kind of go case by case. And this isn't
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the first one. You know, they had the person who
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got electrocuted but didn't die. And they've had other cases
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like this. There was also a big issue about lethal injection,
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whether the lethal injection was safe or not. Of course,
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people lampoon that, right? You're getting the death penalty through
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a lethal injection. But still, the injection shouldn't cause great pain,
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great suffering. If it does, that can be characterized as
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cruel and unusual punishment. And then nobody wanted to be
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known as the drug company that made the lethal injection.
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People boycotted a drug company if it was known for
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making the lethal injection, since more than half the population
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is actually against the death penalty nationwide. It goes back
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and forth. Depends a little bit how you ask the question.
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And so she's going to, her lawyers are going to argue,
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she'll have, you know, public defenders, she'll have her lawyers
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will argue that this is cruel and unusual punishment. punishment.
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And as you say, if she snored through it, that's
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probably not a fact that helps her argument that this
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was cruel and unusual punishment. If she suffered great pain
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and like almost torture, you know, and then they're going
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to argue that the next attempt at imposing the death
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penalty would also constitute that torture. And the state will
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come in and say, well, they're going to do it
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better now. They've humanized it in some way. and probably
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this won't spare her, but it will for a while.
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And I see why your viewer, by the way, I
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see a lot of the people's comments. I just don't
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have time with my practice and everything to also respond
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to the comments, but I love the comments and I
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do read all the comments and I've read this commenter's
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comments and thank you for writing in and being interested
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in these issues. And I see why she calls it
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a fiasco.
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Yeah, it clearly is a fiasco and I I think
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you've outlined the problems very clearly. You've got drug companies
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pulling away from even being part of this. I want
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to pivot to the election. I'm glad you mentioned the
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Supreme Court because I'll ask you one overarching question that
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I get all the time, which is, will the Supreme
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Court end up deciding this election somehow because of a
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chaos created by the administration or administration functionaries, even at
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the state level? There seems to be so much question
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about what's going to happen. Of course, there's all the
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voter suppression that's going on in all the classic ways,
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reducing the number of polling places, reducing the number of
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mail-in voting or constricting the window for allowable voting by
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mail and by mail drop-offs. They've almost eliminated them in
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parts of Texas. So you see that all happening. Those
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are the traditional ways to suppress a vote. But tell
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me how the Supreme Court might be able to somehow
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decide the election like they did against Al Gore and
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when they gave the election to Bush?
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Well, I just want to say again, people absolutely should
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go and vote. The safest way to vote is to
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go vote in person. And if it's not too much,
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you know, there are older people, I get it. There
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are people with disabilities. There are people who really have
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trouble going to the polling place. But if you can
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possibly make it, if you can possibly do it, vote,
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go to the polling place, make sure you send your
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ballot back in. The generic preference for Democrats is now
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over 8%. And so one of the important things to
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always remember is win too big to rig. Of course,
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Trump is trying everything he possibly can. It's absolutely shameless.
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All these people will be brought to account. but not
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right now because they control the FBI, the DOJ, the government,
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the Republicans and the Trumpsters do. But, you know, the
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voting is on a local level. You know, so many
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of these just normal officials, that's their job in life
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and that's their mission to be nonpartisan and to have
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a fair election. So don't give up on the fairness
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of the process, even though, as Mark says, that they're
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going to try everything they can. They've tried it already,
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less number of polling places, making it harder, check before
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election day that you're registered, know where your polling place is,
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all of that kind of stuff. When they keep these
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polls open for an hour or two, that's an hour
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or two. If you've gone to the wrong polling place
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right before the time the polls close, So do all
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of those kinds of things. Really, our democracy depends on it.
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I think the Supreme Court has backed off of this.
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It's just the timing wasn't that great. They're not the
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smartest people in the Trump administration. They may be the
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most crass and craven, but they're not the smartest. So
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they waited too long to get to the Supreme Court.
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They waited too long to come up with this postal
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service ruse of theirs. And so they're not going to
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get away with that one. And the case that the
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Supreme Court just recently decided said they could promulgate these lists,
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and although there were issues with the lists, they could
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at least send them out. The blue states, the conscientious
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voting offices will not even give them the time of day.
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They'll just file those away, and it'll be a problem
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if the Republicans retain power everywhere in the 2028 election.
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But we're going to get around those lists. If it's
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a super red state, if it's the middle of rural
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Alabama and they want to try to strike 10 people
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that they think are illegals because they have a Hispanic
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last name. I guess they're going to do it and
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people will challenge it later. So I think the Supreme
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Court cannot monkey around with this election. It's a month away, Mark.
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Yeah, yeah. And I'll just put a specific on that.
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In Georgia, a federal judge did dismiss this Justice Department
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lawsuit that was trying to get unredacted copies of the
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state's voter registration list. So that is a defeat for
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Trump and for Trump's Justice Department that's trying to use
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those voter registration lists in all the ways that can Well,
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maybe invalidate a vote and also even worse. I mean,
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you could end up, you know, once that information is
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out there, it could lead to deportation and all the rest. Mark,
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I should be able to.
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Say one thing. There's zero for 23. If Trump and
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Blanche and his Justice Department were a normal litigant, they
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would have been declared a vexatious litigant. they would have
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been barred from the courthouse for making the same argument.
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Now they say that they can keep making it because
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they go state by state and they say, Georgia, we
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want your voting rolls. And the Georgia judge, no matter
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what party, no matter what inclination, votes against them. They've
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now been to, I think, 23 different states asking for
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these voting rolls. The law is absolutely clear that they're
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not entitled to these rolls. They're not entitled to it
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under any federal law. They're not entitled to it under
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state law after state law. I think it's 23 they're
746
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up to. There's zero and 23. To say that this
747
00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:36.239
guy would have been a vexatious litigant by now. In
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00:46:36.260 --> 00:46:37.519
the minor leagues, what do you lose?
749
00:46:37.539 --> 00:46:39.940
That first four or five games when you come up,
750
00:46:40.269 --> 00:46:42.070
you're back in triple A or double A.
751
00:46:42.309 --> 00:46:46.989
This is absolutely double A lawyering by all these fools, really,
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at the Department of Justice. They're all selling their reputations forever.
753
00:46:51.789 --> 00:46:55.590
These lawsuits are near frivolous, and some bar may decide
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that they are frivolous. I don't care if they have
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fancy degrees. Speaking of people with fancy degrees, we are
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going to get to the Eric Schmidt case. Harvard Law
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School educated ding-dong who was behind Senator Schmidt, holding up
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the poster, catching Jack Smith in perjury because they couldn't
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keep straight the Hawks and the Hawkeyes. I don't know,
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apparently they don't teach that course at Harvard Law School.
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Apparently that aid to Senator Schmidt, that Republican fool, missed
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that one.
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Yeah, it's kind of a wild. And Ethan Harper, who's
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the general counsel to Eric Schmidt, who's a senator who
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did that, was going to leave his role on Friday
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and begin a new one in the White House. He
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was going to be the White House staff secretary. He
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was doing something in that office. But now those plans
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may not happen because of the embarrassment caused to Schmidt.
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It's fascinating that this is the way in which a
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trap was laid for Jack Smith, right? And the reality
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is that the whole thing dissolved. I don't know if
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we still have any of that. Yeah. I mean, it's,
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it's pretty delicious because the, the idea was that, uh,
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you're right. Schmidt went at him like, you know, a prosecutor, right?
776
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He's a former prosecutor and he, you know, he, he really,
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it was almost cinematic the way the guy went after
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Jack Smith, but then it was equally cinematic the way
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Smith I said, I wasn't in Atlanta. I don't know
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what you're talking about. And then, what if I told
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you we have text? It was a real, you got it?
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Here it is. Go ahead, Albert.
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A couple of things.
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Did you go to an NBA game between the Golden
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State Warriors and the Atlanta Hawks on February 3rd, 2024?
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I'm sorry, can you say that again?
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Did you go to an NBA game between the Golden
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State Warriors and the Atlanta Hawks on February 3rd, 2024?
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What city would that be in?
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Atlanta.
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No.
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Okay.
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So your testimony today is that you did not go
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to a Hawks game on February 3rd, 2024.
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Is that correct?
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I have no recollection of that.
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Okay.
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Is it your testimony that you were not in Atlanta
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on February 3rd, 2024? Let me let me just give
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you a little context. The day before Fannie Willis came
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clean with her affair with the prosecutor, you know, the
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Atlanta prosecutor that was also trying to get Trump.
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The next day, were you in Atlanta?
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I do not believe so.
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Did you ever go to Atlanta during your time as
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special counsel?
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I really don't think so. It's possible I flew through
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the Atlanta airport on the way to Florida, but I
809
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do not have a recollection of going to Atlanta. I
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definitely did not go to a Hawks game.
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I'm sure of that.
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Did you ever meet Nathan Wade or Fannie Willis in
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your time at special counsel?
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No.
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What would you say if I had a series of
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text messages from your team that said you were in
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Atlanta at a warrior Hawks game and On February 3rd, 2024,
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the day after Willis and Wade announced their affair.
819
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He held up this card for just a second.
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I don't think you know that we have this stuff.
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So I'll give you a second to process it so
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you don't, you know, perjure yourself.
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You just took it down really quick. If I could
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look at that again.
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Mr. Chairman, can we give the witness a copy so
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he can see what's being read to him? Well, I
827
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think you've already sufficiently answered. I want to run through.
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We'll put it in a follow-up.
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You can respond. I think you've already perjured yourself.
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This goes on. If you skip ahead, then obviously the
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revelation was, no, he wasn't in Atlanta and Atlanta Hawks game.
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He was in Maryland in College Park. And I think
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maybe there's a College Park also in Georgia. Maybe that's
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where the confusion comes. I don't know. For guys who
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are looking to nail this guy so badly... You'd think
836
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they would have their act together more. This is truly
837
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a mess and an embarrassment to Schmidt. But then, I'll
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just mention this and I'll let you speak, David, please.
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But Schmidt didn't even acknowledge. He shamelessly went around as
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though he still won the day on Fox News Channel
841
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and elsewhere. Schmidt was sort of on a victory lap,
842
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even though he was totally shamed and owned in that moment.
843
00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:34.539
Well, I love that the Schmidt just hit the fan.
844
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Someone else said, you know, other like jokes on his name,
845
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which may sound kind of immature. But how long have
846
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they done that to Adam Schiff? And so these right
847
00:51:43.630 --> 00:51:47.360
wingers had found the funniest tagline in the whole world.
848
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So he's kind of a latter day low red Joe McCarthy,
849
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this Eric Schmidt. And he has his latter day low
850
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red Roy Cohn, this guy from Harvard Law School.
851
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Now, wait for it. He not only went to Harvard
852
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Law School, this guy behind, this is Senator Kennedy, who
853
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goes on like Bill Maher and acts like he's sort
854
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of a folksy guy and sells his book. He's another
855
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huge right-winger holding up that poster, Senator Kennedy from Louisiana
856
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for Senator Schmidt there. But you can't see right there
857
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the Harvard Law School guy. But hold it. He was
858
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the president of the Federalist Society. So that will, of course,
859
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ensure your career. And now, of course, he's got a
860
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huge egg on his face. Believe me, they'll have no
861
00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:36.639
sense of the buck stops here. Wait for Schmidt to
862
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blame it all on his Harvard Law School grad guy.
863
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He'll probably throw this guy under the bus. But, you know,
864
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it's just absolutely shameless. And I think that the, you know,
865
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I'll give you another chance to perjure yourself. And this was,
866
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of course, the last thing that they wanted to do, Mark,
867
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not something about affordability, not something that would, you know,
868
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end all this fighting in Iran and bring down the
869
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oil prices and the diesel prices and the food prices.
870
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This is the last thing the Republican Senate wanted to
871
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do was to remind the MAGA red meat base, right,
872
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Jack Smith, That's the devil. And of course, Jack Smith
873
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.639
did a wonderful job there. And he was completely framed
874
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in that moment. And as you said, then he was
875
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so shameless, this Senator Schmidt from Missouri, that he went
876
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on these shows and no one had bothered. It was
877
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really the emperor has no clothes. Nobody like you, Mark,
878
00:53:26.750 --> 00:53:29.500
would have said, hey, wait a second. If you'd interviewed him,
879
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you'd say, hey, wait a second. How about this happens?
880
00:53:32.090 --> 00:53:35.530
They treated it on these right-wing shows as though it
881
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had all gone swimmingly. And they had actually nailed Jack Smith,
882
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not that they had made fools of themselves. I mean,
883
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every Democrat, every person with common sense would love to
884
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just play that tape if someone said, what do you
885
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think about the Republican Senate? Play that tape. A complete
886
00:53:52.530 --> 00:53:57.800
hatchet job, utterly unfair, and supposedly smart people behind it.
887
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You haven't had the picture yet of the fellow that
888
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we were talking about at the top. He's the chief counsel,
889
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and he was supposedly on his way to the White House,
890
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and people think, well, now he'll never get there with
891
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all that egg on his face.
892
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I don't know.
893
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Kash Patel got there. RFK Jr. got there. He may
894
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get very far up. He's their kind of guy. We're
895
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trying more to cut back on these terrible shootings of people,
896
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shooting of brown people in the streets. That's something at
897
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least the DHS head says if he has no humanity
898
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or or morality, at least he says, this looks terrible
899
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for us. And apparently Trump and Stephen Miller are like,
900
00:54:36.269 --> 00:54:39.170
bring it on, shoot more people, shoot more brown people
901
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in the streets. Becerra had a great line last night.
902
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I don't know why Becerra agreed to do that debate.
903
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He's so far ahead. Came out, I thought about even.
904
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But Becerra had this great line. He turns to the
905
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.809
Republican candidate and he says to him, you welcome immigrants
906
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who look like you, but you want to deport immigrants
907
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who look like me, Becerra's brown skinned. And boy, that
908
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was such a telling line.
909
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Yeah, it's sadly nobody watched that debate. But what David's
910
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talking about is the debate around the gubernatorial election in
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California between Becerra and Hilton. If you want to see that,
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we've got that cut. Let's play cut one just for those.
913
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This is... This is also, I think it's a classic
914
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setup that we're seeing more of in America. And this
915
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is also a media moment. Hilton says virtually nothing. I mean,
916
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Hilton just talks about how California's in bad shape and
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people like you have put it in bad shape and
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you need to change. It was kind of the Trump.
919
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It's a Trump thing, you know, like America's a hot
920
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mess and only I can save it. That's Hilton's thing.
921
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And Becerra, to his credit, you can have your issues.
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But I think Becerra, to his credit, does try to
923
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address certain things. Here it is, that cut that David's
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talking about.
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You're running for governor of California, and you'll enforce Trump's
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laws at the federal level, but you won't enforce state
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laws at our level. California welcomed you into California, and
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you welcomed ICE mercenaries into our state in return. How
929
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do you square that?
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You're an immigrant.
931
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I have fought all my life to make life better
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for immigrants to represent them well, to defend them, to
933
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let them grow and build.
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Like my parents.
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But here's the problem I have with your policies.
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You seem to welcome immigrants who look like you, but
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deport immigrants who look like me. We need to have
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a governor who will protect everyone who works hard. I
939
00:56:25.579 --> 00:56:28.219
don't need to stand here and listen to you say
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that you'll enforce Trump's laws, but you won't enforce California
941
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state laws.
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So that brings me to— that was the question and answer
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that David was just talking about. But that brings me
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to another thing I wanted to talk to you about,
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David Katz, and that's the Supreme Court. This is a
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00:56:43.489 --> 00:56:46.329
huge decision they made on Tuesday, and that is to
947
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allow the deportation of immigrants to third countries, as they
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call it. Their countries are— they come from one country— And
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rather than deporting them back to that country, they deport
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them to a third country. Now, there is a law,
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as I understand it, Counselor, that doesn't allow America to
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deport them back to a country where they would face
953
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the same peril that they were fleeing, like all the
954
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executions probably that would follow, for example, the Afghanis who
955
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would be deported back to Afghanistan. So this gives the
956
00:57:20.889 --> 00:57:24.610
Trump administration the out to deport them to a third country.
957
00:57:24.670 --> 00:57:26.570
I mean, some country in Africa, there are three of
958
00:57:26.590 --> 00:57:29.190
them that are doing business with America that are paid
959
00:57:29.550 --> 00:57:37.170
to take these deportees in. The Supreme Court greenlit this program,
960
00:57:37.309 --> 00:57:38.590
and I wonder if you could speak to that.
961
00:57:39.730 --> 00:57:43.369
Well, there's a couple of bases on which to argue
962
00:57:43.809 --> 00:57:47.230
that this is illegal when they send these people to
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00:57:47.309 --> 00:57:50.420
a third country that they have no connection with. One
964
00:57:50.500 --> 00:57:53.679
is that some of these countries are so violent and scary.
965
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.349
They're on our list of countries that we suggest Americans
966
00:57:57.409 --> 00:58:00.190
not travel to at all, not for pleasure, not for business,
967
00:58:00.230 --> 00:58:03.610
that Americans stay 100% away from these countries. And yet
968
00:58:03.969 --> 00:58:07.289
we're sending people there. There's been reporting of people getting
969
00:58:07.349 --> 00:58:10.800
off the plane and being beaten right on the spot
970
00:58:11.739 --> 00:58:16.380
by thugs who are actually police officers or immigration officers.
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00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:19.440
in these third countries that you're talking about. So one
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00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.280
argument that their lawyers make is that we have signed
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00:58:22.300 --> 00:58:26.500
the United States conventions against torture and that these people
974
00:58:26.579 --> 00:58:29.860
are being subjected to torture. The argument against that is
975
00:58:29.909 --> 00:58:35.250
that are these treaties enforceable? Are they self-executing? Does this
976
00:58:35.309 --> 00:58:37.510
give you a private right of action if you're the
977
00:58:37.570 --> 00:58:40.760
person being sent to a country where you are going
978
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:42.860
to be tortured or you might be tortured, does it
979
00:58:42.900 --> 00:58:45.480
give you a right in the US courts to complain
980
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:49.239
to the judge, hey, they're violating the convention against torture.
981
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.900
And the issue in the case, excuse me, is not
982
00:58:52.940 --> 00:58:54.920
whether you can be sent to the country, but whether
983
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:57.619
you get a hearing first in front of a federal
984
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.239
judge to say, judge, they want to send me to
985
00:59:00.260 --> 00:59:02.920
this terrible country Here's the reasons why I think I
986
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.539
might be tortured there and at least have a hearing.
987
00:59:05.860 --> 00:59:08.530
The government, Trump, says you don't even get a hearing.
988
00:59:08.750 --> 00:59:10.789
You get packed onto a plane. and sent to a
989
00:59:10.829 --> 00:59:13.639
third country. The other argument is that, let's say this
990
00:59:13.659 --> 00:59:16.860
happened to you or me, Mark. We were in France studying.
991
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:20.480
We're from the United States. We're in France. We overstay
992
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.500
our visa. They throw us into a French prison. The
993
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:25.300
next thing you know, you or I are on a
994
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:29.539
plane to Equatorial Central Africa, or we're on our way
995
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:33.940
to Nicaragua or Honduras, which has this terrible record. We
996
00:59:33.980 --> 00:59:37.300
would say that we have the right as US citizens
997
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.059
to complain about that. And so the other side, the
998
00:59:40.099 --> 00:59:42.739
Trump side says, well, these people are not US citizens.
999
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.639
They have lesser rights under the US Constitution, or they
1000
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.309
have no rights. That issue is also going to be
1001
00:59:49.369 --> 00:59:51.769
batted around, you know, this whole idea. And we have
1002
00:59:51.789 --> 00:59:54.909
this idea that once you're on American soil, Your rights
1003
00:59:55.010 --> 00:59:57.909
under the U.S. Constitution kick in, whether you're here legally
1004
00:59:58.010 --> 00:59:59.710
or illegally, but you're on U.S.
1005
00:59:59.769 --> 01:00:00.070
Soil.
1006
01:00:00.130 --> 01:00:02.530
So the question is, they're on U.S. soil. Can't they
1007
01:00:02.570 --> 01:00:05.309
make that argument? And the counterargument is, it's very nice
1008
01:00:05.329 --> 01:00:08.130
that you're on U.S. soil, but that's because you snuck
1009
01:00:08.190 --> 01:00:10.530
in here. That's because a judge is now finding that
1010
01:00:10.570 --> 01:00:14.019
you are illegally here, that you are subject to deportation. You,
1011
01:00:14.179 --> 01:00:16.980
under those circumstances, don't have a right like an American
1012
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:19.929
citizen has, like you or I would have. But it
1013
01:00:20.010 --> 01:00:22.750
is somewhat like, Mark, you and I being in France
1014
01:00:23.070 --> 01:00:26.489
and staying there, right, without getting our visa renewed. These
1015
01:00:26.530 --> 01:00:28.440
are people who are being deported, some of them for
1016
01:00:28.539 --> 01:00:31.420
overstaying their visa for all sorts of reasons. You and
1017
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.400
I were being sent to some awful third world country
1018
01:00:34.420 --> 01:00:36.119
where we might be tortured. Boy, I tell you, a
1019
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:38.789
lot more Americans, I think, would get this issue if
1020
01:00:38.849 --> 01:00:42.010
it were happening to Americans than it's happening, generally speaking,
1021
01:00:42.070 --> 01:00:45.820
to brown and black people being sent to these awful countries.
1022
01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:48.079
I love that you frame it that way because these
1023
01:00:48.139 --> 01:00:51.099
are not violent offenders necessarily. We don't know, you know,
1024
01:00:51.340 --> 01:00:52.949
we don't know what the story is. It literally could
1025
01:00:52.969 --> 01:00:55.110
be what you're talking about, which is that they're picked
1026
01:00:55.150 --> 01:00:57.949
up at a court proceeding. I mean, it's heartbreaking. I
1027
01:00:57.969 --> 01:01:00.110
was just reading something this morning. I think I was
1028
01:01:00.510 --> 01:01:02.909
reading the article for the second time, which is the
1029
01:01:02.949 --> 01:01:09.469
story of this young man who had battled depression and he,
1030
01:01:09.550 --> 01:01:11.880
you know, he was having a rough time anyway and
1031
01:01:11.909 --> 01:01:16.170
his mother was was picked up by ICE on her
1032
01:01:16.230 --> 01:01:22.550
way to her job, and she was detained. She was
1033
01:01:22.590 --> 01:01:27.210
the one person who the child felt very bonded to,
1034
01:01:27.510 --> 01:01:29.809
and it was quite a moving piece. I was gonna
1035
01:01:29.849 --> 01:01:35.289
put it in the show today, just didn't have time. Basically,
1036
01:01:35.309 --> 01:01:38.719
his savior, his connection to life was his mother, and
1037
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.659
when she was put in detention, and then she was moved,
1038
01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:44.869
of course, so he couldn't see her. It was too
1039
01:01:44.889 --> 01:01:46.949
much for him, and he took his own life. It
1040
01:01:46.969 --> 01:01:49.070
was heartbreaking. I was really moved by it. And I
1041
01:01:49.110 --> 01:01:52.170
think you've just framed it in the proper way, which
1042
01:01:52.230 --> 01:01:54.449
is that these people who are being abused in this
1043
01:01:54.510 --> 01:01:57.909
fashion and sent to these horrible prisons in places like
1044
01:01:58.130 --> 01:02:00.989
Central Africa, we don't even know where they are. And
1045
01:02:01.369 --> 01:02:04.090
when I say we, I mean, counsel can't reach them.
1046
01:02:04.289 --> 01:02:05.710
It's just a horrible fate.
1047
01:02:06.309 --> 01:02:06.429
Right.
1048
01:02:07.010 --> 01:02:09.349
It's heartbreaking and it's not deserved in any way. These
1049
01:02:09.409 --> 01:02:10.710
aren't violent offenders.
1050
01:02:11.369 --> 01:02:14.050
And there's thousands and thousands of them. And because the
1051
01:02:14.110 --> 01:02:18.969
Supreme Court won't grant this stay, that means that the
1052
01:02:19.010 --> 01:02:22.420
Trump administration is now racing. to deport as many of
1053
01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:26.469
them as they can without a hearing first. They might
1054
01:02:26.510 --> 01:02:28.349
go to a hearing where a federal judge, even a
1055
01:02:28.409 --> 01:02:32.289
conservative one, would say, hey, wait, this particular situation calls
1056
01:02:32.329 --> 01:02:35.610
for relief. There's a showing about this country that, for
1057
01:02:35.650 --> 01:02:38.190
God's sake, don't send this person to this country. Maybe
1058
01:02:38.250 --> 01:02:40.329
send them to this country, but not this one. They
1059
01:02:40.349 --> 01:02:42.199
made a showing they shouldn't be sent to this country.
1060
01:02:42.570 --> 01:02:45.019
None of those hearings are going to occur. The Supreme
1061
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:48.309
Court does say this should be fast-tracked. to December, they
1062
01:02:48.349 --> 01:02:50.869
want the briefs. But of course, you know what Trump does?
1063
01:02:50.909 --> 01:02:53.860
He tries to get away with as much lawlessness as
1064
01:02:53.889 --> 01:02:56.940
he can. He thinks that he's faster and crueler than
1065
01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:00.820
any humanitarian or ordered court can stop him from doing.
1066
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:04.380
I want to turn quickly to something that, I just
1067
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.639
want to get the clock real quick, in our last
1068
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:11.090
couple of minutes, that seemed gross at the time, and
1069
01:03:12.110 --> 01:03:16.130
now the court and lower courts have said that it
1070
01:03:16.469 --> 01:03:20.250
is gross, and that's the collusion that is found in
1071
01:03:20.329 --> 01:03:26.489
the demand for 10, was it $ 10 billion that Trump won?
1072
01:03:27.230 --> 01:03:29.489
It was worth at least that. It was worth at least.
1073
01:03:29.329 --> 01:03:31.349
That to Trump and the marauders.
1074
01:03:31.670 --> 01:03:34.170
The marauders needed some walking around, buddy. Here they are
1075
01:03:34.210 --> 01:03:37.550
with a pardon, and I'm walking around, buddy. All these marauders,
1076
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.840
all these people who threatened the Capitol, threatened our democracy,
1077
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.820
held all these Republican congressmen and senators with short memories.
1078
01:03:45.170 --> 01:03:48.219
hostage over there. They need walking around money, Mark.
1079
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:49.719
I don't know how you can be so sensitive. So
1080
01:03:50.110 --> 01:03:56.699
this U.S. District Court judge found the lawsuit that Trump brought,
1081
01:03:57.099 --> 01:04:01.400
you know, as the hook for the $ 1. 776 billion, that's
1082
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.639
the anti-weaponization fund, the walking around money that David Cass
1083
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:10.099
is talking about, amounted to collusion as there were The
1084
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.239
two parties involved are both on Trump's side. This is
1085
01:04:13.300 --> 01:04:17.110
also in the $ 10 billion damages case with the IRS.
1086
01:04:17.150 --> 01:04:19.949
Trump wanted the $ 10 billion in damages and he wanted
1087
01:04:19.969 --> 01:04:24.190
the $ 1. 776 billion for his people who were the J6ers
1088
01:04:24.269 --> 01:04:29.829
and more. That's the anti-weaponization fund, as it's called. They
1089
01:04:30.690 --> 01:04:33.329
even talked about it openly. It was a collusive agreement
1090
01:04:33.349 --> 01:04:36.690
in the sense that Trump has a complaint. uh, he
1091
01:04:36.750 --> 01:04:40.159
goes against his justice department where his guy is there, right?
1092
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:43.119
That's Todd Blanche. Todd Blanche says, looks cool. Although I
1093
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:46.119
think it was Pam Bondi at the time. And then, uh,
1094
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.019
Trump just has to sign off for it. Where are the,
1095
01:04:49.739 --> 01:04:52.099
so you can explain this, but the judge said, Hey,
1096
01:04:52.380 --> 01:04:55.639
you've shown no evidence that this isn't collusive in my court.
1097
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:57.369
And for that reason, I rule against it.
1098
01:04:58.340 --> 01:05:00.099
Well, you know, you have that tape. There's never been
1099
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.820
anything like it. Trump admitted it. Trump admitted anything like this.
1100
01:05:05.969 --> 01:05:08.840
He said, wow, this is really something I sue myself.
1101
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.500
I agree how much I'm going to pay myself. This
1102
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:14.960
is good stuff. You know, when Putin or Orban or
1103
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.670
one of those guys do these kinds of things that
1104
01:05:17.750 --> 01:05:21.389
Trump does, they're much more careful. They have this idea
1105
01:05:21.650 --> 01:05:23.909
that there may be an accounting, that the world may
1106
01:05:23.969 --> 01:05:27.030
look at this one day. All the procedures look great.
1107
01:05:27.469 --> 01:05:31.519
The filings look great. Trump has this big part of him,
1108
01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:35.159
which is like he doesn't want the Putin or Orban thing.
1109
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.000
He wants the thing that I am can get away
1110
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:41.789
with even more stuff than any of these tyrants and despots.
1111
01:05:41.909 --> 01:05:42.469
I'm bigger.
1112
01:05:42.610 --> 01:05:45.449
I'm number one. I'm not some Putin or Orban who
1113
01:05:45.489 --> 01:05:47.409
has to make it look like I'm playing by the rules.
1114
01:05:47.789 --> 01:05:49.949
So the record, he doesn't even play by the rules.
1115
01:05:50.010 --> 01:05:52.190
He doesn't have Blanche even play by the rules. When
1116
01:05:52.230 --> 01:05:55.360
they settled the case, there was no statement of settlement whatsoever.
1117
01:05:55.489 --> 01:05:58.320
There was no this party says this, then that party
1118
01:05:58.380 --> 01:06:00.579
says that, given this and that, and the other thing.
1119
01:06:00.619 --> 01:06:03.760
We've come to this. The record is totally devoid. So,
1120
01:06:03.780 --> 01:06:05.340
you know, this is the one that the judge at
1121
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.619
first down there in, I think it's Miami, somewhere in
1122
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:13.739
the south. She's appointed by Biden. But, you know, the
1123
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:15.980
case came and went so fast. She was going to
1124
01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:17.940
have a hearing to see if it was collusive. And
1125
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:20.840
then they settled it and they took the collusive hearing off-calendar.
1126
01:06:21.230 --> 01:06:25.170
And then all these former federal judges, U.S. attorneys, wrote
1127
01:06:25.230 --> 01:06:28.269
a letter that said this is an absolute abomination under
1128
01:06:28.309 --> 01:06:30.570
the rule of law. She realized, you know what, I
1129
01:06:30.659 --> 01:06:33.480
do still have jurisdiction over this. I have to approve it.
1130
01:06:33.500 --> 01:06:35.199
I have the right to look into it. Then, if
1131
01:06:35.219 --> 01:06:38.000
you remember, she picked up that case again. She made
1132
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.019
these findings. She held two of the Trump lawyers in contempt,
1133
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.929
I think, referred them to the bar for discipline. That
1134
01:06:44.969 --> 01:06:48.059
was also affirmed. Then the Trump administration says this is
1135
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:50.929
an outrage. She took this case back. She had no jurisdiction.
1136
01:06:50.989 --> 01:06:56.869
She's just weaponizing the judiciary against us. Three judges unanimously
1137
01:06:57.030 --> 01:07:01.440
on this conservative 11th Circuit, including a Trump-appointed judge, whose
1138
01:07:01.460 --> 01:07:04.510
name I think is Newsom or something like that, We
1139
01:07:04.530 --> 01:07:07.719
will not play games with his name like Trump does
1140
01:07:07.820 --> 01:07:10.699
with everybody who's got a name like Newsom. We will
1141
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.440
not give him a funny, disgusting nickname like he gives
1142
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:19.239
our governor. But even this judge, Newsom, who was appointed
1143
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:21.980
by Trump, all three of them said, we look at
1144
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.269
this record and how can we find it's not collusive?
1145
01:07:25.429 --> 01:07:27.570
They didn't even make a record that it wasn't collusive.
1146
01:07:27.610 --> 01:07:29.489
You look at it and you can see on the
1147
01:07:29.570 --> 01:07:32.030
face of it, it was collusive. But I think the
1148
01:07:32.050 --> 01:07:35.630
most remarkable thing is, again, that Trump and Blanch didn't
1149
01:07:35.869 --> 01:07:38.349
even bother to try to make a record that it
1150
01:07:38.449 --> 01:07:41.409
was inclusive. They wanted the world to see, we played
1151
01:07:41.449 --> 01:07:43.880
this game, we got away with it, we wanted the
1152
01:07:43.940 --> 01:07:47.239
imprimatur of the federal court. And the 11th Circuit said,
1153
01:07:47.460 --> 01:07:50.320
that's all this was. This was a scam seeking the
1154
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:53.900
imprimatur of the federal court so they could put this
1155
01:07:54.019 --> 01:07:56.400
federal judicial seal on it. And that's what the judge said.
1156
01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:59.980
And that's what the three appellate judges just affirmed. Now,
1157
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.340
you wonder whether Trump will take that to the U.S.
1158
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:04.849
Supreme Court. He's going to really put them between a
1159
01:08:04.889 --> 01:08:07.250
rock and a hard place because there are some people
1160
01:08:07.269 --> 01:08:10.340
who think they'll do anything that Trump wants. But this one,
1161
01:08:11.019 --> 01:08:13.780
this really makes them put a dunce cap on and say,
1162
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.779
you know, we're supposed to be smart, but we're so stupid,
1163
01:08:16.819 --> 01:08:19.279
the six of us, when Trump wants something. And this
1164
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:22.149
just shows the world again, we're his lackeys. What do
1165
01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.529
you mean judicial independence? What do you mean life tenure?
1166
01:08:24.789 --> 01:08:28.430
We just look like his lackeys. So maybe he'll spare them, Mark.
1167
01:08:28.489 --> 01:08:31.890
Maybe he'll spare them this, you know, this dunce cap
1168
01:08:31.949 --> 01:08:34.979
and this This, hi, I don't really have a black
1169
01:08:35.020 --> 01:08:37.039
robe on. I have a big sign that says, I'm
1170
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:37.779
Trump's lackey.
1171
01:08:38.060 --> 01:08:40.460
Maybe he'll spare that. Sorry, but that's, I think, one
1172
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:43.359
of the real flaws with America is that we've, you know,
1173
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:46.939
we defer to this group that's, you know, it's a
1174
01:08:47.010 --> 01:08:49.909
political machine. But this does seem.
1175
01:08:49.810 --> 01:08:50.630
To- Mail-in ballots.
1176
01:08:50.829 --> 01:08:51.750
Mail-in ballots.
1177
01:08:52.090 --> 01:08:53.430
They came out okay.
1178
01:08:53.470 --> 01:08:53.930
Yeah, you're right.
1179
01:08:53.970 --> 01:08:57.930
Birthright citizenship, birthright citizenship, the tariffs. So don't throw out
1180
01:08:57.949 --> 01:08:59.050
the baby with the bathwater.
1181
01:08:59.189 --> 01:09:02.850
Okay. All right. Fair enough. I do think it's wild,
1182
01:09:02.890 --> 01:09:06.649
the brazen nature of this is incredible, and I'm glad
1183
01:09:06.689 --> 01:09:08.649
you drew attention to it. I'm out of time, David.
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So grateful for you every week. Thank you. And find
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01:09:12.529 --> 01:09:16.050
David across the, I don't know, you're on a lot
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01:09:16.069 --> 01:09:18.399
of different shows, so I appreciate you making time for
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01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:18.850
this one.
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01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.060
It's a lot of Fox this week because of Cornell,
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01:09:21.100 --> 01:09:23.380
the huge Cornell story.
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01:09:23.779 --> 01:09:25.479
I didn't even have time to get to that. That's
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01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:27.779
a really disturbing story. It'll still be going on next week,
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01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:29.199
so let's touch on it next week for sure.
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01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:30.239
Okay. Hi, Kim.
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01:09:32.670 --> 01:09:39.270
David Katz, everybody. Right on. Right on. The Mark Thompson Show. Yeah,
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01:09:39.310 --> 01:09:44.380
he's pretty terrific. I pivot from one terrific attorney in
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01:09:44.409 --> 01:09:47.529
voice to another terrific attorney in voice. And I must
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01:09:47.569 --> 01:09:51.119
tell you that when we had Sky on last time,
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01:09:51.140 --> 01:09:55.840
I thought, did we do something about her book already?
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01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.039
And then no one mentioned the book. That's my fault.
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01:09:58.340 --> 01:09:59.659
I take full blame.
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01:09:59.659 --> 01:10:04.010
100% of the blame. Wow, that's very unusual for Kim.
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01:10:04.130 --> 01:10:05.590
I'm sorry.
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01:10:05.970 --> 01:10:08.909
In a roundabout, sneaky way, it worked in our favor
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01:10:08.930 --> 01:10:10.399
because now we get to have her on twice.
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01:10:10.939 --> 01:10:14.060
It is true. We do love Scott Perryman, so you're right.
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01:10:14.340 --> 01:10:17.500
It has worked out. But her new book is Ordinary People,
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01:10:17.939 --> 01:10:22.100
Extraordinary Times, How to Reclaim Your Power, Fight for Freedom,
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01:10:22.310 --> 01:10:26.250
and Reimagine Democracy. We'll have a link to it under
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01:10:26.390 --> 01:10:29.409
this conversation. Skye, of course, is the president and CEO
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01:10:29.470 --> 01:10:33.369
of Democracy Forward. That's a nonpartisan national legal organization promoting
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01:10:33.750 --> 01:10:37.170
democracy and progress through litigation. She's always involved in all
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01:10:37.210 --> 01:10:40.909
this litigation, a lot of successful litigation, really. showing us
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01:10:41.010 --> 01:10:44.600
that the court flex is real. But she really points
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01:10:44.659 --> 01:10:46.699
out in the book, like, that's not enough. And we'll
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01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:48.380
get to that in a second. But when it comes
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01:10:48.460 --> 01:10:51.939
to regulatory engagement and policy education, they do such great
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01:10:51.979 --> 01:10:55.649
work at democracyforward.org. So check them out. I'll have a
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01:10:55.689 --> 01:10:58.970
link to them as well under this conversation. Skye Perryman, everyone.
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01:11:00.529 --> 01:11:00.930
How are you?
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01:11:01.050 --> 01:11:04.789
You know, I always put my glasses.
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01:11:04.350 --> 01:11:05.369
On with you.
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01:11:05.489 --> 01:11:06.750
I always had this thing.
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01:11:06.770 --> 01:11:09.949
But anyway, it's great to see you. And I'm always
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01:11:10.010 --> 01:11:11.930
happy to come on. So thanks for inviting me back.
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01:11:12.149 --> 01:11:14.909
I love your glasses. And, you know, I always talk
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01:11:14.939 --> 01:11:17.189
about my credibility glasses. I have to have them on.
1227
01:11:17.260 --> 01:11:21.359
So I know the draw. I like it. Yours are popping.
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01:11:21.380 --> 01:11:25.729
Mine are a little more conservative. Yeah, so I want
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01:11:25.750 --> 01:11:27.689
to talk to you really about the book today, okay?
1230
01:11:27.930 --> 01:11:32.750
So it's interesting. Again, Ordinary People, Extraordinary Times, How to
1231
01:11:32.829 --> 01:11:38.829
Reclaim Your Power, Fight for Freedom, and Reimagine Democracy. Basically,
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01:11:39.649 --> 01:11:43.930
you say... Look, you can do a lot in the courts,
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01:11:44.270 --> 01:11:48.369
but that's not enough to hold off authoritarianism. You can't
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01:11:48.970 --> 01:11:54.399
save democracy with the existing institutions alone. And then it's
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01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:57.119
not to say that, you know, you obviously do a
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01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:00.279
lot in the courts, but to say that that has
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01:12:00.300 --> 01:12:01.960
to be augmented by the people.
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01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:03.760
Absolutely.
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01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:07.020
You know, I thought it was important. Because the number
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01:12:07.100 --> 01:12:09.060
one question I get, I know you get it from
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01:12:09.100 --> 01:12:11.300
your listeners and viewers all the time, is what can
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01:12:11.340 --> 01:12:13.760
I do? People want to know what they can do.
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01:12:13.819 --> 01:12:16.039
They want to know if there is anything they can do.
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01:12:16.819 --> 01:12:19.890
And I think that lawyers and our lawyers at Democracy Forward,
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01:12:19.899 --> 01:12:22.649
alongside so many others, have shown folks there's a lot
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01:12:22.670 --> 01:12:25.510
the lawyers can do. And there have been nearly 1,000 cases.
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01:12:25.529 --> 01:12:28.029
The president's losing about 80% of the time. And we
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01:12:28.050 --> 01:12:31.649
can go on and on about that. But we also sometimes,
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01:12:31.710 --> 01:12:35.489
as Americans, I think, want some silver bullet strategy. People
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01:12:35.899 --> 01:12:38.000
want to know what the lawsuit is that's going to
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01:12:38.020 --> 01:12:40.500
take it all down or what the piece of legislation
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01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.439
is or what the candidate is. And the history of
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01:12:43.500 --> 01:12:45.939
our country actually shows and the history of movements across
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01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:49.720
the world actually shows that it's never a one silver
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01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:54.899
bullet person or thing or institution. It's always people organizing
1256
01:12:54.979 --> 01:12:58.350
and demanding a better future, organizing and demanding a stop
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01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:01.170
to the violation of their rights. And so this book
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01:13:01.270 --> 01:13:03.710
is all about what people can do. But it's told
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01:13:03.750 --> 01:13:07.170
from the perspective of someone that that's in the middle
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01:13:07.210 --> 01:13:09.220
of these fights in court. So, I mean, I'm never
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01:13:09.229 --> 01:13:11.140
going to say the courts aren't important, but I'm here
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01:13:11.180 --> 01:13:14.020
to say they're not the silver bullet that people want
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01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:14.520
them to be.
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01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:15.199
It's the people.
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01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:16.079
And so that's what this.
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01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:16.680
Book is all about.
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01:13:17.270 --> 01:13:19.390
Yeah, and it sounds to me like it's always interesting
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01:13:19.869 --> 01:13:22.829
to learn of someone's background, like your grandparents were probably
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01:13:23.350 --> 01:13:26.800
really special people. They kind of, I think there's something
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01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:31.479
about the notion of picking up a shovel, like, yeah,
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01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:34.819
get into that a little bit, because that's sort of
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01:13:34.859 --> 01:13:37.399
the jumping off point for a lot of what you're
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01:13:37.420 --> 01:13:37.899
talking about.
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01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:40.890
Yeah, so the book has seven steps that really all
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01:13:40.909 --> 01:13:44.130
of us should and can take in different ways. And
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01:13:44.170 --> 01:13:46.270
the first one, which I think is the most important one,
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01:13:46.289 --> 01:13:48.060
I agree with you, I think it basically the premise
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01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.659
of the book is that we have to shift from
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01:13:50.699 --> 01:13:54.960
being spectators to actually taking action. And that is really
1280
01:13:55.060 --> 01:13:57.569
hard to do. We say democracy is not a spectator sport.
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01:13:57.590 --> 01:13:59.949
You know, there's all these quotes and things and I
1282
01:13:59.970 --> 01:14:02.390
put that in the book, but it's really hard when
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01:14:02.409 --> 01:14:05.689
there's everything coming at you. Sometimes we, including very well-intentioned
1284
01:14:05.729 --> 01:14:10.020
people that care a lot can confuse being informed, taking
1285
01:14:10.100 --> 01:14:12.920
in good political news and commentary, taking in current events,
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01:14:13.340 --> 01:14:16.739
writing about it, studying it. Sometimes we confuse that. with
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01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:20.319
actually picking up our shovels or actually doing the thing
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01:14:20.340 --> 01:14:23.060
to take action. And so I tell a story, I'm
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01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:25.600
actually joining you from Texas today. I have a book
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01:14:25.659 --> 01:14:27.520
event and some other events tonight. And of course, there's
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01:14:27.539 --> 01:14:30.399
a lot of voter registration happening in Texas right now.
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01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:32.439
But my grandparents, you know, both lived on, they lived
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01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.859
on small farms in Texas. And whenever something bad would happen,
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01:14:36.010 --> 01:14:38.100
a lot of times me and my cousins, we'd panic.
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01:14:39.029 --> 01:14:41.289
Snake would go, you know, we panic, we're in fear,
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01:14:41.729 --> 01:14:43.789
not know what to do. And they'd always be like,
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01:14:43.890 --> 01:14:46.210
go get a shovel, like start getting to work, right?
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01:14:46.270 --> 01:14:48.630
Like Stop spiraling and pick up a shovel. And so
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01:14:49.069 --> 01:14:51.050
that's the first step of the book. But it's so
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01:14:51.149 --> 01:14:55.270
important because this whole chaos and confusion, the administration wants
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01:14:55.369 --> 01:14:58.279
us to just stay in this constant state of spectatorship
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01:14:58.300 --> 01:15:01.460
where we're putting on our glasses and examining the decline
1303
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:05.420
of American democracy from our iPhones without actually taking steps
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01:15:06.340 --> 01:15:09.050
to make a change. And so that's a big piece
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01:15:09.069 --> 01:15:09.529
of this book.
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01:15:10.619 --> 01:15:14.239
Yeah. And you go through things that we actually can do.
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01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:17.359
I love that you are in Texas. I've always loved
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01:15:17.380 --> 01:15:19.960
that you're in Texas because I think you are in
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01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:22.699
the belly of the beast in some ways when it
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01:15:22.739 --> 01:15:25.689
comes to election and election politics. And maybe we can
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01:15:25.789 --> 01:15:27.850
discuss a little bit of what's happening there at the end.
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01:15:27.930 --> 01:15:29.350
Right now, I want to just kind of stay with
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01:15:29.409 --> 01:15:33.390
the with the prescriptions in the book, because you do
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01:15:33.470 --> 01:15:36.930
talk about the fact that, um, it's easy to, as
1315
01:15:36.970 --> 01:15:42.020
you've said, kind of just feel like, uh, I'm seeking out, uh, information.
1316
01:15:42.270 --> 01:15:46.079
I'm fretting about it. I'm sharing my anxiety with others
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01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:49.739
who have that anxiety, but I'm in the end, I'm
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01:15:49.779 --> 01:15:52.819
not really changing the balance at all. And I think you,
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01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.850
the one thing that you always do in conversation, you
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01:15:55.890 --> 01:15:58.899
really do in the book is you expose the, the
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01:15:58.979 --> 01:16:02.670
way in which it's really not hard to actually participate.
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01:16:02.729 --> 01:16:07.829
I mean, the door is wide open for all kinds
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01:16:07.890 --> 01:16:08.750
of participation.
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01:16:09.310 --> 01:16:09.909
Absolutely.
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01:16:09.949 --> 01:16:12.170
The book is made for folks that have five minutes
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01:16:12.250 --> 01:16:14.880
and people that have a lot more time than that.
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01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:18.119
And little steps go a long way. I mean, instead
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01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:21.399
of watching the fourth hour of cable news, what if
1329
01:16:21.460 --> 01:16:24.800
you made phone calls or went and wrote postcards or
1330
01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:29.449
took action around this upcoming election? But the important thing, too,
1331
01:16:29.590 --> 01:16:33.720
that the book emphasizes is that democracy doesn't just happen
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01:16:33.899 --> 01:16:36.479
on the month leading up to Election Day and on
1333
01:16:36.539 --> 01:16:38.939
Election Day or on the day that the Supreme Court
1334
01:16:39.020 --> 01:16:42.260
comes out with some big decision that's going to radically
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01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.880
change the way people live their lives. Democracy is every
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01:16:45.899 --> 01:16:48.159
day and it begins at our front door. And we
1337
01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:52.770
need to be vigilant and really engage with our communities
1338
01:16:53.010 --> 01:16:56.199
in all ways. of these ways. So that's not just
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01:16:56.359 --> 01:16:58.699
helping at a voter registration drive, although I hope you're
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01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:01.359
doing that right now. That's like the thing to do
1341
01:17:01.430 --> 01:17:04.210
right now. But it's also, you know, checking out your
1342
01:17:04.250 --> 01:17:06.590
local library and seeing if there are ways you can
1343
01:17:06.630 --> 01:17:09.689
engage there, helping your neighbors, which we've seen people across
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01:17:09.729 --> 01:17:12.520
this country do as the government itself has attacked people,
1345
01:17:12.949 --> 01:17:15.579
rendering aid, you know, being kind to people. I mean,
1346
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:18.180
basic kindness is a radical act right now. And so
1347
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:20.220
there's a lot in the book, I think, It meets
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01:17:20.260 --> 01:17:22.239
people where they are. Some people really want to know
1349
01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:22.659
what to do.
1350
01:17:22.699 --> 01:17:23.439
They don't know what to do.
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01:17:23.510 --> 01:17:24.050
This is great.
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01:17:24.470 --> 01:17:28.850
Other people are exhausted and discouraged and just exhausted. And
1353
01:17:28.869 --> 01:17:31.510
I think the book provides a lot, I hope, of
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01:17:31.569 --> 01:17:34.630
inspiration and stories that can kind of take us out
1355
01:17:35.029 --> 01:17:37.500
of a bit of that exhaustion and help us reset
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01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:38.239
and replenish.
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01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:43.159
Yeah. And you talk about the fact that one can
1358
01:17:43.260 --> 01:17:46.640
be lost in how Washington becomes sort of with this
1359
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:50.060
strong gravitational force of the news. the place that you
1360
01:17:50.100 --> 01:17:52.500
can obsess on. But the reality is the politics really
1361
01:17:52.539 --> 01:17:55.119
happens where you are in a big way. I mean,
1362
01:17:55.180 --> 01:17:57.930
look at where you are literally in Texas. I mean,
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01:17:58.350 --> 01:18:00.189
it is a pivotal race in so many. That's just
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01:18:00.350 --> 01:18:01.930
one of the races, the one that we know about,
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01:18:02.390 --> 01:18:07.550
Tallarico and Paxton. But wherever people are in America, the
1366
01:18:07.569 --> 01:18:10.210
reality is that that's where the real politics is, not
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01:18:10.270 --> 01:18:10.829
in Washington.
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01:18:11.619 --> 01:18:13.899
Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, Washington itself is a
1369
01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:16.659
vibrant community. It's a city what you know that there's
1370
01:18:16.699 --> 01:18:18.939
a lot of local issues there, too. But this notion
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01:18:19.020 --> 01:18:21.159
that if you're not at the White House or you're
1372
01:18:21.189 --> 01:18:22.949
not at the Supreme Court or you're not a lawyer,
1373
01:18:22.989 --> 01:18:26.329
you're not a politician, that you're not you can't there's
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01:18:26.369 --> 01:18:28.130
nothing that you can do in this time. that is
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01:18:28.229 --> 01:18:30.930
precisely the wrong notion. And it's actually, I take you
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01:18:30.949 --> 01:18:34.520
through history. It's never been those folks that did all
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01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:36.060
this on their own. They had to be pushed by
1378
01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:39.180
the people. Kim's asking us, you know, does even taking
1379
01:18:39.220 --> 01:18:41.960
these types of steps make a difference? Writing a postcard,
1380
01:18:41.979 --> 01:18:44.829
does that even work? I think the answer is it does.
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01:18:45.770 --> 01:18:48.090
There are lots of different actions people can take. I
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01:18:48.130 --> 01:18:49.829
go through them in the book. I talk about ones
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01:18:49.850 --> 01:18:52.569
that may be more effective than others right now people
1384
01:18:52.609 --> 01:18:54.180
have been reading this book for it's been out about
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01:18:54.220 --> 01:18:56.720
a month and people are volunteering to be poll workers
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01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:58.800
which is great and which is what we need so
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01:18:59.420 --> 01:19:01.020
um so yes your postcards do.
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01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.920
Matter kim yeah uh albert uh put up there a
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01:19:04.939 --> 01:19:08.920
couple of uh endorsements for the book. Here's one. Uh,
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01:19:09.100 --> 01:19:11.779
these are troubling times for our democracy, but Sky Perryman
1391
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:13.920
has provided a manual for people who are tired of
1392
01:19:13.979 --> 01:19:16.880
wringing their hands and are ready to roll up their sleeves.
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01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:21.319
Ordinary people, extraordinary times is a practical guide to policy
1394
01:19:21.420 --> 01:19:24.640
and action from a leader who has spent years on
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01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:27.619
the front lines of the fight and knows how change
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01:19:27.859 --> 01:19:31.760
actually gets made. That's from Hillary Rodham Clinton. Wow. Uh,
1397
01:19:32.020 --> 01:19:35.050
but I mean, that's, that really is, uh, I think,
1398
01:19:35.130 --> 01:19:37.869
right on. The reason so much of this is valuable
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01:19:37.909 --> 01:19:41.289
is because you have seen how change happens, you know, Sky?
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01:19:41.329 --> 01:19:44.069
And I want to quickly touch on something else that
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01:19:44.090 --> 01:19:45.880
you talk about in the book. And that is that
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01:19:46.340 --> 01:19:50.539
at certain places and around certain things like football games
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01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:54.560
or sporting events, you find people who share your values
1404
01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:58.779
or your love of something, right? Football or whatever sporting event,
1405
01:19:59.100 --> 01:20:02.000
even though they may disagree politically. And that's an opportunity
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01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:02.779
you talk about.
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01:20:03.369 --> 01:20:06.489
Yeah, the book really wants all of us as people,
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01:20:06.590 --> 01:20:10.470
not as members of movements or whatever, but just as
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01:20:10.510 --> 01:20:13.010
people in this country to interrogate the notion that the
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01:20:13.069 --> 01:20:16.000
president and his allies are constantly trying to push, that
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01:20:16.020 --> 01:20:18.779
the mainstream media will say as well, that the nation
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01:20:18.819 --> 01:20:22.960
is so hopelessly polarized. That's not actually what data shows.
1413
01:20:23.060 --> 01:20:26.479
It's not actually what experience shows. We are dealing with
1414
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:28.989
a country where there are heightened levels of what we
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01:20:29.029 --> 01:20:31.789
call political polarization, where there's a lot of rhetoric out
1416
01:20:31.829 --> 01:20:35.399
there to get you to otherize people, et cetera. But
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01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:39.000
that's actually a piece of this anti-democratic machine. And if
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01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:41.619
you look at what data shows on issues, the vast
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majority of people agree on the vast majority of issues.
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01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:45.979
They don't want their kids getting shot in school. They
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01:20:46.020 --> 01:20:48.319
want to do hard work and get paid a fair
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01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.119
wage for it. They want health care. They don't want
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01:20:51.140 --> 01:20:53.239
to have to go all summer without eating salad because
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01:20:53.260 --> 01:20:57.239
the government's not able to monitor, you know, our parasites
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01:20:57.319 --> 01:20:59.819
because the presidents undermine the civil service. I mean, all
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01:20:59.859 --> 01:21:03.100
those things are very common things. But what we're asking
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01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:04.760
and what I'm asking in the book is that when
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01:21:04.779 --> 01:21:08.659
you're in places, for me, it's football tailgates. My husband
1429
01:21:08.739 --> 01:21:11.899
likes football and we tailgate in Texas and throughout the
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01:21:11.939 --> 01:21:13.689
South with a lot of people who don't see eye
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01:21:13.710 --> 01:21:16.710
to eye with me on everything I do, but I've
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01:21:16.729 --> 01:21:19.609
become close with them and we've built bonds. And as
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01:21:19.829 --> 01:21:22.649
things have escalated in this country, some of those people
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01:21:22.689 --> 01:21:25.899
have been the first ones to say like, you know,
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01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:28.340
I'm checking in on you. They're threatening lawyers. I'm going
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01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:29.720
to go check in on my neighbors. I'm going to
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01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:32.039
deliver a meal online. to my neighbors that are being threatened,
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01:21:32.060 --> 01:21:34.479
but some of that wouldn't happen if we don't melt
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01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:38.039
the ice. And so between us, so whatever your tailgate is,
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01:21:38.100 --> 01:21:40.060
for some people, it's a running group, it's a gym group,
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01:21:40.100 --> 01:21:43.079
it's their church, it's their workplace, but wherever you're around
1442
01:21:43.140 --> 01:21:45.119
folks that don't see eye to eye with you and everything,
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01:21:45.140 --> 01:21:47.159
and you can build those bonds we need to. And
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01:21:47.189 --> 01:21:49.189
then the other piece we talk about, which people have
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01:21:49.210 --> 01:21:52.350
told me is very liberating, is when you encounter people
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01:21:52.390 --> 01:21:54.170
in your life, whether they're close with you or whether
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01:21:54.210 --> 01:21:56.909
they're acquaintances that just don't want to be reasoned with,
1448
01:21:57.310 --> 01:22:00.000
or are just so hateful that they're never going to
1449
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:03.239
recognize you or your neighbor's existence or whatever or your rights.
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01:22:03.899 --> 01:22:04.680
You get to be done.
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01:22:04.699 --> 01:22:07.699
That's a very small amount of people in this country.
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01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:10.340
Life is short. We got work to do. We don't
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01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:13.140
need to bang our heads up against a wall trying
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01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:15.479
to reason people into a position they didn't reason their
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01:22:15.500 --> 01:22:18.359
way into. As long as we're showing that kindness, we
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01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:20.939
move on and we start building bonds with other people
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01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:23.649
that do represent the vast majority of us. And I
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01:22:23.689 --> 01:22:25.529
think that's a real piece that we all have to
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01:22:25.569 --> 01:22:26.210
do in this moment.
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01:22:27.659 --> 01:22:30.960
I know you get this a lot, and that is,
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01:22:32.220 --> 01:22:37.899
what's really working? You're someone who has really done the
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01:22:37.939 --> 01:22:40.479
heavy lifting in the courts. And on the one hand,
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01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:43.340
you point out the courts are valuable, but the courts
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01:22:43.420 --> 01:22:46.579
can't really stop the bleeding completely. So they can be
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01:22:46.739 --> 01:22:50.079
one tool. What do you say to people who ask
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01:22:50.100 --> 01:22:53.579
you what's really working and what can work in the future?
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01:22:53.619 --> 01:22:56.000
If you had to I just get the question a lot,
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01:22:56.010 --> 01:22:57.289
and I'm sure you get it as well.
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01:22:57.390 --> 01:22:57.609
Yeah.
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I mean, look, the courts are serving as a huge guardrail,
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and that's not just the work of lawyers. That's the
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01:23:03.930 --> 01:23:06.310
work of people and communities that have been willing to
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01:23:06.369 --> 01:23:08.770
step forward and say, this is happening in my community.
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01:23:08.829 --> 01:23:11.350
I'm willing to go to court with you, lawyer, and
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01:23:11.390 --> 01:23:12.510
we're going to go to court. I'm going to be
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01:23:12.529 --> 01:23:14.449
your client. So I just want to say that's the
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01:23:14.489 --> 01:23:19.899
work of people, and that is working. Collective action is working,
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01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:22.180
and we're not seeing as much of it as we
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01:23:22.220 --> 01:23:25.529
need to see from powerful institutions. but it is working.
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01:23:25.970 --> 01:23:29.869
The No Kings protests, okay? You have millions of people
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01:23:29.909 --> 01:23:32.310
out on the street. At a time when the White
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01:23:32.350 --> 01:23:34.949
House goes and announces, if you go on the street,
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01:23:34.979 --> 01:23:37.340
we're going to say you're un-American. They tried to threaten everybody.
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01:23:37.380 --> 01:23:40.899
These are the largest single days of peaceful movements of
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01:23:41.100 --> 01:23:43.899
protests in the nation's history, in the nation's history, largest
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01:23:43.939 --> 01:23:46.619
single days. Now people say, well, what? My life didn't
1487
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:49.560
get better after No Kings. No, you're right.
1488
01:23:49.579 --> 01:23:49.960
It didn't.
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01:23:50.380 --> 01:23:54.520
But guess what? you are building your muscle. A lot
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01:23:54.539 --> 01:23:56.810
of people in this country had forgotten how to go
1491
01:23:56.899 --> 01:23:59.529
out and show up. Some people had never done it before.
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01:23:59.649 --> 01:24:02.609
These demonstrations are all about reminding us that we're not alone,
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01:24:02.970 --> 01:24:05.149
showing up so that when we have these moments where
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01:24:05.170 --> 01:24:07.930
we have to be there, where the life or death
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01:24:07.970 --> 01:24:10.229
depends on it, people are ready to go. And that's
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01:24:10.289 --> 01:24:12.680
what you saw in Minneapolis. And you can connect to
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01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:16.100
these dots in so many ways. So collective action from
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01:24:16.220 --> 01:24:20.539
ordinary people, but also collective action from sectors and institutions.
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01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:25.560
So We just saw this media ban that's completely unconstitutional.
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01:24:25.600 --> 01:24:28.159
It was not at all surprising the judge immediately said,
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01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:31.250
this is completely unconstitutional. But let's think about what else
1502
01:24:31.310 --> 01:24:35.710
we saw. Every single network that was targeted sued and
1503
01:24:35.729 --> 01:24:38.350
they sued together. That's not what we saw 20 months
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01:24:38.390 --> 01:24:41.390
ago with the law firms, okay? And that's not what
1505
01:24:41.409 --> 01:24:43.909
we saw when the AP was targeted. We're starting to
1506
01:24:43.949 --> 01:24:47.979
see that. Then in addition, even people, even outlets that
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01:24:48.020 --> 01:24:51.460
weren't targeted, came out and issued statements, filed amicus briefs
1508
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:54.880
in court, basically sending a message that you're not going
1509
01:24:54.939 --> 01:24:57.399
to come for the media through any.
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01:24:57.279 --> 01:24:57.960
Of these outlets.
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01:24:58.020 --> 01:25:01.210
We're going to stand here together. That is a really
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01:25:01.250 --> 01:25:04.250
good current example. We're seeing more and more of that.
1513
01:25:04.350 --> 01:25:07.050
We need to see more of the types of things
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01:25:07.090 --> 01:25:09.109
that are going to be required and the types of
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01:25:09.170 --> 01:25:12.859
things that are working. Naming and shaming is also really important.
1516
01:25:13.140 --> 01:25:15.520
There is still polling that says that I think over
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01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:18.729
70% of ICE employees would not do their job if
1518
01:25:18.739 --> 01:25:21.890
they couldn't wear masks because they know what is happening
1519
01:25:22.369 --> 01:25:25.170
is something that is not right. And so we have
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01:25:25.210 --> 01:25:29.069
to be willing to continue to hold those in power
1521
01:25:29.109 --> 01:25:31.409
to account, to hold those in our community to account
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01:25:31.729 --> 01:25:34.210
when they are undermining people's humanity. And don't think that
1523
01:25:34.250 --> 01:25:36.390
doesn't work because it does. We see every day when
1524
01:25:36.409 --> 01:25:38.609
we sue people, sometimes we don't even have to win
1525
01:25:38.649 --> 01:25:41.350
the court order because just the exposure of what is
1526
01:25:41.409 --> 01:25:45.510
happening is so not palatable to the vast majority of people,
1527
01:25:45.810 --> 01:25:48.140
they kind of back up and we have to continue
1528
01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:49.600
to use our voices in that way.
1529
01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:52.100
That's such a great, great point. You have a story
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01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:57.090
in the book about ice at the church and, and
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01:25:57.550 --> 01:26:00.689
Democracy Forward involved in that and trying to get media
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01:26:00.729 --> 01:26:02.710
attention on it. Can you tell that story? Because I
1533
01:26:02.729 --> 01:26:03.550
think it's instructive.
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01:26:03.590 --> 01:26:05.649
Yeah. So the second, so you're going to stop starling
1535
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:07.270
and pick up a shovel and change your mindset. And
1536
01:26:07.300 --> 01:26:10.359
the second step in the book is to achieve information sobriety,
1537
01:26:10.380 --> 01:26:12.159
which I thought, I kind of thought, Mark, you would
1538
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:15.319
like that term, which is all about being mindful of
1539
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:18.060
the media environment that we live in and choosing to
1540
01:26:18.100 --> 01:26:21.000
take control of the type of information you're receiving. And
1541
01:26:21.020 --> 01:26:22.680
I start out with a chilling story. And I'm going
1542
01:26:22.699 --> 01:26:24.319
to be in one of these churches tonight, actually a
1543
01:26:24.340 --> 01:26:27.039
member of the, Cooperative Baptist Fellowship at one of the
1544
01:26:27.739 --> 01:26:30.640
book events we're doing here in Texas. But we represent
1545
01:26:31.180 --> 01:26:34.680
a number of houses of worship, churches, synagogues, others, a
1546
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:37.979
number of houses of worship in litigation to keep ICE
1547
01:26:38.220 --> 01:26:41.020
out of their house of worship, to keep them from
1548
01:26:41.060 --> 01:26:45.470
doing indiscriminate operations within churches. This is such a threat
1549
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:48.670
to our freedom, to religious liberty. This is one of
1550
01:26:48.710 --> 01:26:50.829
those things that the administration has done that is horribly
1551
01:26:50.909 --> 01:26:53.869
unpopular across the board, the vast majority of people in
1552
01:26:53.890 --> 01:26:58.539
this country. We filed the first suit just a few
1553
01:26:58.579 --> 01:27:00.979
weeks after the administration was in office when they rescinded
1554
01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:05.289
the policy. And there had already been reports that certain
1555
01:27:05.369 --> 01:27:08.529
communities were not going into church anymore, were not worshiping
1556
01:27:08.569 --> 01:27:11.449
together because of the fear, because of this policy that
1557
01:27:11.529 --> 01:27:14.750
ICE would come into these sensitive locations and into churches.
1558
01:27:15.310 --> 01:27:17.149
And we built the first of its kind case, and
1559
01:27:17.189 --> 01:27:20.300
it had a lot of different houses of worship, including,
1560
01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:22.720
by the way, evangelical churches, which we thought was a
1561
01:27:22.779 --> 01:27:25.979
really big deal that they were willing to go to court.
1562
01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:28.659
And the mainstream media, we finally got someone to cut,
1563
01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:32.079
NBC finally covered it. But outlet after outlet, sort of
1564
01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:35.130
in one chilling exchange, they said, you know, we're not
1565
01:27:35.170 --> 01:27:39.529
really sure if this is newsworthy. They said, you know,
1566
01:27:39.569 --> 01:27:42.510
maybe after someone dies in an ice raid in the church,
1567
01:27:43.130 --> 01:27:45.989
it would be newsworthy. But we're not sure that the
1568
01:27:46.090 --> 01:27:49.350
suit of all of these religious congregations coming together to
1569
01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:52.020
take the White House to court to protect religious liberty,
1570
01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:55.600
we're not really sure if that is really newsworthy enough.
1571
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:58.439
And it was so chilling because we were just in
1572
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:00.739
the first few weeks of the administration. And that was
1573
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.100
at a time when no one, people thought no one
1574
01:28:03.140 --> 01:28:05.800
was pushing back. So at a time when everyone is
1575
01:28:05.859 --> 01:28:08.899
scared and people think no one's doing anything, we have
1576
01:28:08.979 --> 01:28:11.600
houses of worship across the country ready to go to
1577
01:28:11.699 --> 01:28:14.699
court to protect the right of people to worship together.
1578
01:28:14.939 --> 01:28:16.960
And the media was like, you know, that's not really
1579
01:28:16.979 --> 01:28:20.359
interesting unless someone dies before you go in. And then
1580
01:28:20.380 --> 01:28:24.180
on top of that, What was really concerning was there
1581
01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:27.000
were already reports of people that were being prevented from
1582
01:28:27.020 --> 01:28:30.100
living their lives and going in and worshiping together. And
1583
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:32.909
so to me, it really showed that our media ecosystem
1584
01:28:32.989 --> 01:28:38.630
runs now on outrage and sensationalization. The bad stories we
1585
01:28:38.670 --> 01:28:41.460
know sell better than... the good ones. If it bleeds,
1586
01:28:41.539 --> 01:28:43.920
it leads. I mean, this is just that on steroids now.
1587
01:28:44.739 --> 01:28:47.039
And it showed me that, like, if this is the
1588
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:49.430
media environment we're waking up to every day and we're
1589
01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:50.350
not even getting.
1590
01:28:50.149 --> 01:28:51.130
The real stories.
1591
01:28:51.189 --> 01:28:52.930
And those are, by the way, outlets that at least
1592
01:28:53.029 --> 01:28:56.090
want to tell the truth. Those aren't outlets that are
1593
01:28:56.109 --> 01:28:58.750
spreading misinformation, disinformation. How are we going to get out
1594
01:28:58.789 --> 01:29:03.539
of this mess? And so that really helped me frame
1595
01:29:03.699 --> 01:29:06.529
up this chapter where we're asking you as part of
1596
01:29:06.569 --> 01:29:08.890
what you can do, and obviously folks that tune in
1597
01:29:08.930 --> 01:29:11.710
here are doing it, to really be mindful of the
1598
01:29:11.750 --> 01:29:14.350
type of media you're consuming and then also be supportive
1599
01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:19.180
of outlets and journalists and new media and digital media
1600
01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:22.359
that are really trying to get good and accurate information
1601
01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:23.039
out there to people.
1602
01:29:24.180 --> 01:29:27.000
Uh, I, you, you've got such, it's such great stuff
1603
01:29:27.020 --> 01:29:29.369
in this book. Uh, I've got to wrap up, but I, I,
1604
01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:31.899
I want people to check it out again. It's ordinary people,
1605
01:29:32.020 --> 01:29:36.020
extraordinary times, how to reclaim your power, fight for freedom
1606
01:29:36.100 --> 01:29:38.579
and reimagine democracy. And there, there are a bunch of
1607
01:29:38.640 --> 01:29:41.460
stories in the book that, that's, that are illustrative of
1608
01:29:41.539 --> 01:29:45.760
so much. And, uh, I, it's a real, How to?
1609
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:47.920
I mean, you can, you really can.
1610
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:50.260
It's a New York Times bestseller and was on the
1611
01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:54.109
how to miscellaneous section. So it really is. There's checklists
1612
01:29:54.210 --> 01:29:56.430
in here. If you don't want to read the whole.
1613
01:29:56.289 --> 01:29:57.189
Stuff, there's checklists.
1614
01:29:57.489 --> 01:30:00.369
We've got the audio book that I read. And then
1615
01:30:00.430 --> 01:30:03.310
we have an e-book, the Kindle or e-book version, whatever
1616
01:30:03.350 --> 01:30:06.760
you use. And then the paperback book. And we're really
1617
01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:08.579
pleased at how many folks are supporting it.
1618
01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:14.989
Links to everything, all those books under this conversation. Skye,
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01:30:15.069 --> 01:30:18.350
we love you here. So please consider this a friendly outpost.
1620
01:30:19.170 --> 01:30:20.890
And next time I want to talk to you about
1621
01:30:21.189 --> 01:30:23.329
what's going on in Texas, I got to get to
1622
01:30:23.350 --> 01:30:25.029
you fast because it's happening quickly.
1623
01:30:25.069 --> 01:30:27.539
You know, I'm here and then I'll go back to D.C.
1624
01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:29.039
I've got, as you know, a lot of family here.
1625
01:30:29.060 --> 01:30:34.420
But this week we have been everywhere doing events in Waco, Texas,
1626
01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:36.260
which is where I grew up, which is not known
1627
01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:38.500
as the most progressive place in the world. There were
1628
01:30:38.500 --> 01:30:42.380
400 plus people just to talk about this book, about
1629
01:30:42.420 --> 01:30:44.539
what they can do. I mean, there's an energy here.
1630
01:30:44.979 --> 01:30:46.880
And so we really hope that we'll see people be
1631
01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:48.720
activated around Election Day, too.
1632
01:30:49.300 --> 01:30:51.720
Could Paxton actually lose?
1633
01:30:52.380 --> 01:30:54.939
Look, I mean, I think that's a question for the
1634
01:30:54.979 --> 01:30:57.060
people here of Texas. But I mean, what we're seeing
1635
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.500
is so much energy. He is such a corrupt and,
1636
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:02.659
you know, we're nonpartisan at Democracy for It. I would
1637
01:31:02.699 --> 01:31:06.470
say this about anybody. whatever letter was behind their name
1638
01:31:06.750 --> 01:31:09.229
in the way they operate. But he is incredibly corrupt,
1639
01:31:09.289 --> 01:31:12.010
hasn't delivered for people. And I think people of Texas,
1640
01:31:12.050 --> 01:31:13.689
it seems like they're really wanting a new day.
1641
01:31:13.729 --> 01:31:14.310
So we'll see.
1642
01:31:14.630 --> 01:31:16.029
But the main thing is we want to make sure
1643
01:31:16.050 --> 01:31:18.229
that everyone, regardless of who they're going to vote for,
1644
01:31:18.250 --> 01:31:21.210
is able to show up and vote without intimidation. So
1645
01:31:21.250 --> 01:31:22.609
I should come back because we filed a bunch of
1646
01:31:22.630 --> 01:31:25.399
those cases to try to protect people's ability to get
1647
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.270
to the polls and to get to the polls safely.
1648
01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:31.140
Well, we'll coordinate that. One more visit before the election.
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01:31:31.180 --> 01:31:31.840
I'd really like to do it.
1650
01:31:31.859 --> 01:31:32.279
Sounds good.
1651
01:31:32.300 --> 01:31:33.020
Scott Perriman, everyone.
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01:31:33.729 --> 01:31:34.489
Thanks guys.
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Thank you.
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01:31:35.109 --> 01:31:40.220
See you next time. The Mark Thompson show.
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01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:43.119
It was great.
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01:31:43.220 --> 01:31:43.680
I loved it.
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01:31:44.260 --> 01:31:46.359
How would you handle this?
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01:31:46.779 --> 01:31:48.020
We could try ignoring it, sir.
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01:31:49.220 --> 01:31:49.619
Morning.
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01:31:50.859 --> 01:31:52.439
You cannot say you love your country.
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01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:54.920
Where are my weed smokers at?
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01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:56.300
Stay at home and get baked.
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01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:00.739
Thanks everybody for being here. Love that you stopped through.
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01:32:02.500 --> 01:32:04.800
If you missed any of the show, you can check
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01:32:04.840 --> 01:32:08.470
it out. Most people watch it in delay. Got a
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01:32:08.489 --> 01:32:13.010
bunch of Hegsend speech. Yeah. U.S. is sending a third
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01:32:13.130 --> 01:32:15.949
aircraft carrier up to 10,000 more troops to the Middle East,
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01:32:16.010 --> 01:32:19.470
and we've got the guy who's running the military with
1669
01:32:19.550 --> 01:32:30.439
some performative dinner theater show type patent wannabe monologue where
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01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:35.939
he creates all of this bluster about faith and about
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01:32:36.020 --> 01:32:38.119
lethality and warriors.
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01:32:38.739 --> 01:32:39.520
It's not fake.
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01:32:39.739 --> 01:32:42.060
That's real. Anyway, we talked about it at the beginning
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01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:44.840
of the show. I wish we had the luxury of
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01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:48.239
one disaster at a time. I know. Your comments. Thank you.
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01:32:48.300 --> 01:32:51.899
I'm starting. Richard Delamater with that comment. Richard Delamater with
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01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:54.729
a $ 2 Super Chat. Thank you, Richard. He sent me
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01:32:54.810 --> 01:32:56.199
an email. I was going to read it. I don't
1679
01:32:56.229 --> 01:32:58.489
think I've got time now. But Jim Slayton says, as
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01:32:58.529 --> 01:33:01.779
the world gets more dystopian, I'm trying to decide who
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01:33:01.819 --> 01:33:05.680
to model my life after. Snake, help me with this.
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01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.899
These are references that you have, you younger boys and girls, Albert.
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01:33:09.979 --> 01:33:11.739
I don't know who Snake Plissken is.
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01:33:12.010 --> 01:33:12.970
Yeah, I know Mad Max.
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01:33:13.029 --> 01:33:13.729
I'm Mad Max.
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01:33:13.770 --> 01:33:19.109
Yeah, I know that one. Who's Snake, Albert? Is that a...
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01:33:19.189 --> 01:33:19.689
I'm looking.
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01:33:19.729 --> 01:33:21.529
I think he's from a movie, right?
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01:33:21.550 --> 01:33:22.510
Yeah, I would guess.
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01:33:22.529 --> 01:33:23.050
Google it.
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01:33:23.229 --> 01:33:27.260
All right. Escape from New York. Oh, he's the Kurt
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01:33:27.310 --> 01:33:31.500
Russell character in Escape from New York. Wow. Wow, Jim
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01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:37.420
Slayton actually with an old school reference that I just missed. Yeah,
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01:33:37.979 --> 01:33:40.619
it's true though what he's saying. Like, you know, in
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01:33:40.659 --> 01:33:44.989
the smoldering heap, who will you be? Kurt Russell or
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01:33:45.170 --> 01:33:49.409
Mel Gibson? Noe Marie Clarity, haven't heard from her in
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01:33:49.470 --> 01:33:53.409
a while. Big shout out to Noe and to Jim
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01:33:53.470 --> 01:33:56.819
who gave us the super chat. FYI, the death penalty
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01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:00.159
costs more to the government. then does life in prison.
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01:34:00.180 --> 01:34:03.000
That's interesting. That's the other side of this whole death
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01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:07.340
penalty question. I mean, you've now seen maybe that the
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01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:10.239
state of Tennessee has decided they are going to pause
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01:34:13.220 --> 01:34:20.649
the death penalty and review the situation after this situation
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01:34:20.710 --> 01:34:24.989
with Pike, what was her first name? The.
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01:34:27.550 --> 01:34:32.149
I don't have it handy, but... Google it. It's not
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01:34:32.210 --> 01:34:36.250
important necessarily, but she was taken to hospital.
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01:34:36.270 --> 01:34:37.170
Krista Pike is who.
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01:34:37.189 --> 01:34:43.189
Krista, that's it. Okay, thank you. Clay Rogers with a
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01:34:43.189 --> 01:34:45.520
$ 25 Super Chat. Are you kidding? Big shout-out. Big shout-out.
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01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.279
Had to send my regrets separately. You might think of
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01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:55.720
increasing Super Chat text space. Clay is referring to what, Albert? Please,
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01:34:55.779 --> 01:34:56.119
if you would.
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01:34:56.569 --> 01:35:00.140
Probably the amount of characters it allows. It might be
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01:35:00.260 --> 01:35:02.859
on the device you're using, Clay. I think it's like
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01:35:02.899 --> 01:35:04.199
on a phone.
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01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:06.800
There might be some limit. There are a couple of
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01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:14.010
things that are limiting maybe your participation on YouTube. And
1718
01:35:14.109 --> 01:35:15.949
this is one of the things that Richard Delamater was
1719
01:35:15.989 --> 01:35:19.020
writing me about. Like they may censor something that you've written.
1720
01:35:19.140 --> 01:35:21.760
We don't have any control over that. There's an AI system.
1721
01:35:22.220 --> 01:35:24.720
that censors some things. And so sorry about that. If
1722
01:35:24.739 --> 01:35:26.739
some of your comments aren't going there. And similarly, if
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01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:29.770
you're limited in characters, clay, sorry about that. It's just, uh,
1724
01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:32.550
one of those things on YouTube. Uh, is this a
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01:35:32.590 --> 01:35:36.050
Ted talk for, uh, Christo fascism? Exactly. Thank you, Tom.
1726
01:35:36.550 --> 01:35:38.609
A big shout out to Tom, who is the keeper
1727
01:35:38.649 --> 01:35:42.829
of the ding on the show. He decides what, uh, uh,
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01:35:43.090 --> 01:35:48.489
words are ding worthy. And, um, it did feel like that.
1729
01:35:48.569 --> 01:35:51.609
It felt like a TED talk for Christofascism. That's exactly right.
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01:35:51.630 --> 01:35:54.470
That's what the Hegseth talk, that's perfect. Wow, what a
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01:35:54.510 --> 01:35:55.010
great take.
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01:35:56.010 --> 01:35:57.909
We had that clip too that he, if you want
1733
01:35:57.930 --> 01:36:00.250
to play it now, he was attacking the media a
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01:36:00.289 --> 01:36:00.729
little bit.
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01:36:01.130 --> 01:36:03.670
Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, here's Hegseth.
1736
01:36:05.329 --> 01:36:09.909
Yet our so-called press makes Iranian state media look reasonable.
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01:36:11.489 --> 01:36:14.930
Our media's shameful lust for political retribution blinds them to
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01:36:14.949 --> 01:36:18.380
the consequences of of reckless so-called reporting.
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01:36:20.810 --> 01:36:22.630
I love it when he does air quotes. It just
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01:36:22.670 --> 01:36:25.409
turns me on. I mean, you can see the battle
1741
01:36:25.449 --> 01:36:32.449
on the media, the battle against any kind of liberalism,
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01:36:32.529 --> 01:36:37.770
the battle against any kind of tolerance. He's a scary guy.
1743
01:36:38.369 --> 01:36:41.470
He's a scary guy. Meanwhile, as you know, more than scary,
1744
01:36:42.029 --> 01:36:44.270
he's incompetent. And that's one of the scary things about him.
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01:36:44.310 --> 01:36:47.819
That's why we're in... hip deep in Iran with no
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01:36:47.939 --> 01:36:50.260
idea how to get out. And he just keeps throwing
1747
01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:54.560
more logs on the fire. I mean, he's utterly without
1748
01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:58.020
a clue. This is a guy in way over his head.
1749
01:36:58.119 --> 01:37:00.279
And he's gotten rid of all the people who actually
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01:37:00.300 --> 01:37:02.090
know what they're doing at the Pentagon. Maybe not all
1751
01:37:02.100 --> 01:37:06.069
of them, but a lot of them. Not a good situation.
1752
01:37:07.449 --> 01:37:09.569
Hit the like button or just tap the like button,
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01:37:09.649 --> 01:37:10.869
says Helo Karen.
1754
01:37:10.909 --> 01:37:12.970
Smash it with your iron rod.
1755
01:37:12.989 --> 01:37:14.510
Smash it with your iron rod. I do want to
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01:37:14.550 --> 01:37:19.140
mention our big meetup is coming up Friday. So this
1757
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:25.220
is our monster meetup. It's October 2nd, Friday, 5 o'clock
1758
01:37:25.260 --> 01:37:30.010
Pacific time, 8 o'clock Eastern time. And we've got a...
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01:37:30.619 --> 01:37:32.840
I'm already happy with the group. I don't think that
1760
01:37:32.899 --> 01:37:35.600
we need to... If you want to join, it's really
1761
01:37:35.659 --> 01:37:39.920
a perk for our biggest donors. So those are the
1762
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:43.579
deep staters and beyond who are contributing on Patreon and
1763
01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:45.779
PayPal at $ 25 a month or more. That's a lot
1764
01:37:45.819 --> 01:37:47.439
of money. And I really appreciate it. And we really
1765
01:37:47.479 --> 01:37:50.050
appreciate it. And we want to give you this perk.
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01:37:50.069 --> 01:37:52.010
And this is a two-hour meetup, but I'll tell you something.
1767
01:37:52.470 --> 01:37:55.930
I'm going to make an announcement that will actually involve
1768
01:37:56.050 --> 01:37:59.369
more frequent meetups, but they won't be as long, but
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01:37:59.390 --> 01:38:02.460
they will be open to those who, again, are at
1770
01:38:02.500 --> 01:38:04.140
that level. If you're not a deep stater, you want
1771
01:38:04.180 --> 01:38:06.270
to join, you can still join You just go to
1772
01:38:06.310 --> 01:38:08.630
Patreon or PayPal. The links are under all these videos.
1773
01:38:08.689 --> 01:38:12.260
And you just click through. And I'm sorry, go to
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01:38:12.319 --> 01:38:15.659
PayPal is where we do it this time and how
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01:38:15.699 --> 01:38:17.220
we do it. It's just the best way to organize
1776
01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:21.300
it for us. And you toss in 50 bucks and
1777
01:38:21.579 --> 01:38:24.189
just send us back an email saying that you've done it.
1778
01:38:24.289 --> 01:38:27.500
And then uh you will be sent the link mts
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01:38:27.619 --> 01:38:31.859
meetup at gmail.com if you are a deep stater 25
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01:38:31.859 --> 01:38:35.750
bucks a month or more and you want to join
1781
01:38:35.789 --> 01:38:37.890
you have to tell us you want to join it
1782
01:38:37.949 --> 01:38:39.979
doesn't we're not sending out the link to everybody so
1783
01:38:40.609 --> 01:38:43.529
mtsmeetup at gmail.com. You have to be a deep stater
1784
01:38:43.550 --> 01:38:47.130
for two or more months for free access to the
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01:38:47.470 --> 01:38:50.359
Mark's Monster Meetup. It's going to be a lot of fun.
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01:38:51.220 --> 01:38:55.000
Spencer Christian is coming through. John Rothman is going to
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01:38:55.039 --> 01:38:57.579
be there. David Katz, I believe, is going to be there.
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01:38:57.600 --> 01:38:59.819
I think we've asked Katz. I've got to double check this.
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01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:03.319
It's funny. I put Kim in charge of this initially.
1790
01:39:03.340 --> 01:39:06.890
Usually the Culture Blaster likes to be in there too.
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01:39:06.909 --> 01:39:10.380
Oh yeah, Culture Blaster will be there. And Kim, but
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01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:11.979
this is how I, this is, it sounds like I'm
1793
01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:14.180
busting on Kim and I'm really busting on myself. So
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01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:16.760
I gave it to Kim to do, and she kind
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01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:19.319
of didn't do anything on it. I was going to
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01:39:19.340 --> 01:39:20.579
do it. I was going to do it. I was
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01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:22.899
going to do it. I mean, it was like, it was,
1798
01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:25.600
you know, a week went by nothing. So anyway, maybe
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01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:28.539
even 10 days and I'm trying to be, and then
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01:39:28.619 --> 01:39:30.420
I said, but this is the point. Then I said, Hey,
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01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:31.420
don't worry, I'll do it.
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01:39:31.539 --> 01:39:31.760
Okay.
1803
01:39:32.060 --> 01:39:34.399
So I wrote up an email. I wrote up a communication.
1804
01:39:34.890 --> 01:39:37.109
to send out to various people, and then, of course,
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01:39:37.250 --> 01:39:40.090
I didn't do it. Then I just texted a few
1806
01:39:40.109 --> 01:39:42.130
people and said, hey, will you join for so-and-so? So
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01:39:42.229 --> 01:39:44.970
I was no better than Kim in the end. So
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01:39:45.350 --> 01:39:46.850
that's the way it was. Yes is a word from
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01:39:46.909 --> 01:39:51.119
the Lord, and he's not happy. Yeah, so that's our situation.
1810
01:39:51.140 --> 01:39:53.039
That's a great way to end things with a comment
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01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:53.960
from Cindy.
1812
01:39:54.279 --> 01:39:55.899
We are up a creek without a paddle.
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01:39:56.520 --> 01:40:00.810
Yeah, that's right. What is CeCe Ryder is not happy
1814
01:40:00.850 --> 01:40:03.210
with me? Let me see. Mark changed the show from
1815
01:40:03.210 --> 01:40:06.359
11 to 11.30 and is late every single day but
1816
01:40:06.399 --> 01:40:09.979
always dunks on Kim. It's true. It's true. Well, I mean,
1817
01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:13.000
you know, CeCe, maybe what you don't know is that
1818
01:40:13.619 --> 01:40:17.380
Kim is the reason that I'm late every day. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1819
01:40:17.819 --> 01:40:20.779
Also, CeCe, that's my favorite part of the show. I
1820
01:40:20.859 --> 01:40:22.590
love that part of the show. I'm laughing all the
1821
01:40:22.619 --> 01:40:25.770
time in the background when my parents, my show parents
1822
01:40:25.810 --> 01:40:26.270
are fighting.
1823
01:40:26.619 --> 01:40:28.960
Yeah, it's the better. Double down on the Duncan. Double
1824
01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:31.659
it down. I love it when you're angry. Well, I'm
1825
01:40:31.699 --> 01:40:34.420
not really angry. It's just, you know. They pay me
1826
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:36.699
a lot of money for having attitude. That's exactly it.
1827
01:40:36.729 --> 01:40:38.210
So what are we going to do with this interview, Kim?
1828
01:40:39.430 --> 01:40:40.949
We're going to put a pin in it and we're
1829
01:40:40.989 --> 01:40:42.729
going to run it soon. But I don't know if
1830
01:40:42.770 --> 01:40:43.510
we have time today.
1831
01:40:43.630 --> 01:40:45.529
We don't have time today. All right.
1832
01:40:45.550 --> 01:40:47.210
But it's going to be good.
1833
01:40:47.329 --> 01:40:49.840
When we run it, boy, is it going to be fantastic.
1834
01:40:51.699 --> 01:40:54.079
Speaking of which, tomorrow is going to be amazing because
1835
01:40:54.140 --> 01:40:57.140
Friday Fabulous Florida. How did another week go by already?
1836
01:40:57.819 --> 01:41:00.970
And Michael and Mo and Michael Snyder. It's going to
1837
01:41:01.010 --> 01:41:01.970
be a great Friday show.
1838
01:41:03.189 --> 01:41:04.609
I can't believe it's Friday already.
1839
01:41:05.090 --> 01:41:05.569
I know.
1840
01:41:06.550 --> 01:41:08.630
Man, I got to tell you, what a week. I
1841
01:41:08.630 --> 01:41:10.590
had to go to a funeral yesterday. That's never fun.
1842
01:41:10.609 --> 01:41:13.750
I don't know, man. My leg still hurts. Can I
1843
01:41:13.789 --> 01:41:15.609
complain for a moment? Please, if you would.
1844
01:41:15.770 --> 01:41:15.930
Yeah.
1845
01:41:15.949 --> 01:41:18.369
I've got a broken ankle, if everybody doesn't know. It's
1846
01:41:18.390 --> 01:41:19.789
like I have to do this show sitting down.
1847
01:41:19.810 --> 01:41:21.689
Set aside time for the bitch session.
1848
01:41:21.710 --> 01:41:23.750
Just to go anywhere is really hard.
1849
01:41:24.180 --> 01:41:25.880
You have to sit in the very front at the
1850
01:41:25.899 --> 01:41:27.640
funeral because you have to have a spot for your
1851
01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:28.189
leg to rest.
1852
01:41:28.300 --> 01:41:30.340
I sat at the very back. That's exactly right. And
1853
01:41:30.380 --> 01:41:33.159
then as they're bringing the casket out, and dude, I
1854
01:41:33.180 --> 01:41:35.109
don't do well at funerals. I'm a.
1855
01:41:36.630 --> 01:41:39.930
I'm a really, I'm easily, so easily touched. I'm basically
1856
01:41:40.149 --> 01:41:44.850
so emotional. It's very hard for me, funerals. And I, anyway,
1857
01:41:45.850 --> 01:41:49.310
that's for another topic or another time. But anyway, they
1858
01:41:49.350 --> 01:41:51.210
wheel the casket and it's like, it's right next to
1859
01:41:51.270 --> 01:41:54.159
me as I've got that knee scooter. It was so awkward. Oh,
1860
01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:56.500
it was just horrible. I'm glad he didn't see it.
1861
01:41:56.840 --> 01:41:59.399
I'm Shadow Stevens for the Mark Johnson Show.
1862
01:42:00.619 --> 01:42:03.100
I don't think they noticed, but I just felt awkward
1863
01:42:03.159 --> 01:42:03.739
about it. So.
1864
01:42:06.930 --> 01:42:09.689
I love Ms. Organic's comment. Thanks, everybody. Until tomorrow on
1865
01:42:09.710 --> 01:42:10.909
our Big Friday show. Bye-bye.
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01:42:35.899 --> 01:42:37.449
Thank you.
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01:43:05.270 --> 01:43:05.760
Thank you.