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Jesse Eubanks returns to Merging Wisdom to explore desire through all nine Enneagram types. With Joel and Sarina, he looks at how good desires can become tangled with fear: protection becomes control, peace becomes comfort, and the longing to be valued becomes a need to perform.From perfectionism and people-pleasing to scarcity, self-doubt, and chasing the next experience, this conversation explores what helps us reconnect with our deeper desires and love and understand one another well. No prior Enneagram knowledge is needed.IN THIS EPISODE• Why motivation matters more than labeling someone’s behavior • Type 8: Protection, control, and rediscovering vulnerability • Type 9: Peace versus comfort—and waking up to your own wants • Type 1: Integrity, perfectionism, and making room for grace • Type 2: Being cherished versus being needed; receiving love in solitude • Type 3: Worth beyond achievement; naming shame with compassion • Type 4: Being seen, accepted, and celebrated without having to be different • Type 5: Competence versus collecting knowledge; moving from scarcity to generosity • Type 6: Security through support, learning to trust, and taking calculated risks • Type 7: The hunger for nurture, lasting joy, and being present to pain. MENTIONED IN THE CONVERSATION• Nadia Bolz-Weber’s interview on The Road Back to You • Mike Cosper and The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill • Genesis 1:1–3: Being present to chaos before trying to fix it • Captain America and Iron Man • How We Relate by Jesse Eubanks • Harry Potter and Sherlock Holmes • Tim Keller and Counterfeit Gods • Neil deGrasse Tyson • Full House, This Is Us, Parenthood, and Dan in Real Life ABOUT MERGING WISDOMMerging Wisdom is a podcast exploring faith, psychology, culture, history, politics, and what it means to live wisely in a complex world. The goal is not simply to talk about wisdom, but to practice wisdom. Allowing what we discover to lead to meaningful action, real change, and lives shaped by greater truth, goodness, beauty, and connection.No single field, tradition, or point of view has a monopoly on wisdom. We follow the questions that matter across the boundaries that usually keep our conversations apart. We desire to always be moving towards wisdom.Where disciplines meet, wisdom emerges.Follow or subscribe so you can join future conversations.Hosted by Joel Hubbard, Dan Heroy, and Sarina Heroy.Merging Wisdom: (https://mergingwisdom.com) Jesse’s Enneagram resources: (https://relatebetter.com) The EnneaCast: (https://relatebetter.com/enneacast/) Wonderology: (https://wonderologyshow.com/)#MergingWisdom #JesseEubanks #Enneagram #Desire #Relationships #Faith #PersonalGrowth #Wisdom
