Beyond the Material with Daniel Branco

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The following podcast is part of the Mind, Body, Spirit
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dot fm podcast network.
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Welcome to Intuitive Connection, where spirituality and psychology meet to
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help you be your best and brightest self. I'm your host,
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Victoria Shaw, and in each episode, I'll help you to
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awaken your own inner wisdom, step into your power, and
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live a more divinely inspired life. You're here to let
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your inter light shine.
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Are you ready? Let's do this?
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So loo and welcome to Intuitive Connection. I'm your host,
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intuitive counselor and spiritual guide, Victoria Shaw. And today I
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am super duper excited because we have a guest, Daniel Bronco.
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Okay, see now I got it wrong.
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I think this sounds quite right.
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It sounds good, all right, awesome. He's a Brazilian neurologist,
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neuroscientist Harvard train in brain Mapping Wharton NBA, author of
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spirit Duality, Spiritual Initiation for Rational People, host of the
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High Consciousness podcast, and founder of Conscious Alma School for
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Consciousness and After Near Death Experience. At forty one, he
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works at the meeting point of neuroscientist, entrepreneurship and consciousness.
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And I'm so excited to talk to this gentleman because
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we have the same sort of origin story or path
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And you don't know this about me, Daniel, but having
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these burning questions about what is consciousness and what's the
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relationship between the mind and the body, and wanting to
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understand all of that, and starting our journeys believing that
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we would find that by studying the brain. So that's
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what led me to get my doctorate from Princeton and
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my postdoc and all of the stuff that I did before.
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I also left that line of work because I came
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to the realization that the questions that I was seeking
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could not be found where I was looking for them.
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So I don't want to put words in your mouth,
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but from talking to you before this, and you know,
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following you a little bit, it seems like you have
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a similar story.
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Yes, a very similar story. I pursue a career, an
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academic career and did all that, became an MD, neurologist, neuroscientists,
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postdoctoral fellow in brain mapping. All that to come to
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the conclusion and the original goal behind me going to
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medical school was because I wanted to understand how the
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brain creates consciousness. So it wasn't really like because when
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I see patients, I didn't want to decide what specialty
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I'm going to pursue you. No, I wanted to understand
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the brain. That's That was the point. And at some
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point I realized that, well, it might not be the
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brain after all that creates consciousness. Consciousness might be existing
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in its own righte Like, it doesn't really need a
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brain to create consciousness.
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Talk about that, because I think there are still many
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people in our current world that take it for granted
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that our mind and that consciousness and I don't think
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those are necessarily the same things. So we can talk
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about that too, come from activity in the brain. I've
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had a couple of scientists on the show that I think,
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you know, still believe this. So can you talk about
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sort of that way of looking at things and why
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you think it's not so?
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Yeah, I think it's much more than many people understanding
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that the brain creates consciousness. It's much bigger than that.
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We live in a society that decided to make the
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assumption that physicality is fundamental, the matter is fundamental, that
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physical particles are fundamental. Right, so for anything else to exist,
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that something else has to emerge and be derived from
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matter and matter physical processes physics is could be considered
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the most fundamental science in a sense, because it is
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the sciencehood that informs us what is real, what can
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be real, what the laws of reality are.
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Right.
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So that's where I would say much more than many people.
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Most people and our entire society is constructed on that
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premise that there is a natural world and the natural
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world has fundamental existence. There was an evolution in a
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sense from the religious view that we used to have
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in the past. So in the before the natural sciences
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became prominent, the worldview was different. The worldview was not
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that and I see that as an evolution. I think
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we made great progress with that kind of worldview, that
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the natural world being fundamental. But I feel like it's
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now time for us to make another leap and understand
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that there are there was some truth in the old worldview,
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but it has to be revisited. It cannot be revisited
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without taking into consideration all of the progress we made
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in science.
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Right.
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So I think what I hear you saying is spirit
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used to be fundamental or the way that we understood it,
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or God or God right. And then we moved into
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the paradigm of materialism where it's the material world that is,
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you know, primary and real, right, And what you're saying
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now maybe is we're moving into something else where those
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two things can coexist and we can sort of understand
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I'm just making this up, but we can understand the
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material from that broader spiritual lens.
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Again.
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Yeah, well, I think that the idea I'm trying to
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spread is that the materialistic paradigm is super very successful.
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We were able to create and develop a lot of
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progress and technology based on that paradigm, right, But it
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hasn't answered all questions, and it clearly has very noticeable
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limitations to what it can answer regarding many other questions
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about who we truly are, Like what is consciousness a
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wee conscious beings? Because there are some scientists that would
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even argue that were consciousness doesn't exist, right, and it's
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an epi phenomenon, whatever that means, because it's then we
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can we can dive deeper. But then if that doesn't exist,
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why do you care about getting anesthesia prior to a surgery?
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Because if you're not conscious and aware of your pain,
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you shouldn't care about it, right, like you should.
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Just if that's not real, right, it doesn't capture that
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felt sense. It doesn't capture the back to philosophy class,
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what it feels like to be me, right, what my
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perspective is. And I also think, because this is a
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show about intuition and that is something that a lot
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of my listeners are super fascinated by, it also doesn't
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capture all of the kinds of experiences, you know, outside
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of our three D understanding, like intuition, like psychic abilities,
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like precognition, like telepathy. I'm throwing them all together, like
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the fact that people and you've had a near death experience, right,
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that their bodies and their brains will stop functioning, and
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yet their consciousness continues, and you know sometimes in ways
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that can't be explained away just by random you know,
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residual firing of the brain, right because they're hovering over
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the operating table looking down reporting things that actually happened exactly.
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So all of these things, I think are limitations of
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that idea of yeah, that the material world is primary.
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Yeah, so science is a great idea, the materialistic view,
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the natural worldview is a great idea, is a great paradigm,
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but it has limitations because there's plenty phenomenology out there
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that cannot be explained by their paradigm, so it is
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just dismissed the paradigm. The people in that paradigm, they
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just dismiss the phenomenology. And it's worse than not having
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an answer, it's actually giving the wrong answer. When the
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scientific paradigm tells us that we are our brains, and
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then whatever consciousness is is a byproduct of brain activity,
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that is actually telling us that we are fine at
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beings that we are. Once we die, we see is existing, right,
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and that creates what It creates a society based on
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fear because everybody, everybody is fearful. And then it creates
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a society that is hungry for resources because it's the
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resources that will prevent the body from dying. And the
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accumulation and wars in all of that, everything we see
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in our society is derived from that basic assumption that
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matter is fundamental, and that's being very detrimental, right.
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And then identification with your sense of self, your body,
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your personality. Right, the idea that the things I have,
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you know, whether they're concrete things or more abstract things,
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or the things.
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I am, they define you.
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Right. I think that's an extension of the same thing exactly.
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So yeah, and then people want to get rich, for example,
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why because they associate the wealth those resources with who
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they are, right, and that becomes a definition. So I
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am someone because I own this and that, or I
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am someone because I have these titles, and none of
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that is who you truly are. None of that, like,
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not even your ego, not even your name, not even
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necessarily your body defines who you are. In my worldview,
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who you are is that which creates everything else.
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Beautiful. That's beautiful. So what's the alternative? And we're gonna
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talk more about what you just said too, But what's
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the alternative? So many of us have been taught to
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believe it's all matter, right, I mean, and again, people
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listening to this show probably don't believe these things because
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they're listening to this show. For example, on this show,
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I frequently talked to spirit guides, and most people keep listening,
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you know, after a few episodes of my talking to
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non physical beings. So my guess is that most of
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our listeners, you know, have started to crack that veil
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to understand, Okay, there's more to this experience than just
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what I can experience with my five senses. And you know,
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there's maybe more to who I am than who I
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am showing up in human form right now.
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Right, maybe my soul persists beyond this physical body.
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You know. I'm listening to Victoria talk to dead people
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all the time, and I think maybe it's a thing. Right, So,
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I think a lot of us and more and more
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people are on the brink of believing and stuff like this.
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But believing and stuff like this does do a big
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kind of flip around to the way that we ultimately
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have to perceive reality. Right, So from that scientific lens,
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or from that neuroscientific lens, or from whatever lens you
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want to present, what's the alternative to this materialist way
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of looking at things?
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I think the first step, and that's actually part of
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the constitution of the consciousness only school of consciousness that
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I'm working on, which is we should let go of
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believing and beliefs, I think, because you know, we talk
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a lot about limiting beliefs, but the thing is that
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every belief is kind of limiting because it's a cornerstone
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of your logic, right, So you have to be very
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careful about what you take as your belief. So what
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I propose is that we need to understand where everything
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comes from, where are the first principles? So realizing that
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once much first principle of our society today is that
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matter is fundamental, that's something to be revisited and questioned.
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Because most people believe the matter is fundamental, and we
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don't want necessarily to disbelieve that or like to create
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a new belief. Instead, what I invite people is to
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question and be comfortable living in uncertainty. I think leaving
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the doors open to possibilities is super important. So instead
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of believing that, well, all of those experiences are real,
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which in my case, like I personally accept them to be.
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But I think the most important thing here is that
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we have to make a choice. Because the matter is fundamental.
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It is not a discovery of science. That's an assumption
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of science. Right, So science doesn't have the means to
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disprove its own assumption. Even if that happens in the future,
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that's not what you're supposed to be doing. It's not
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it wasn't designed for that. And what happens is that
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most people believe that matter is fundamental. Physicality is fundamental
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because of science. Science says so, but that's definitely not
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the case. What science is doing, it's informing us on
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what the rules of the natural world, the physical world are.
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That doesn't mean that the entirety of reality is limited
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to the natural world, to physicality. So there are other
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realms of reality, and then we have to make a choice,
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the choices we should probably consider choosing not to assume
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that matter is fundamental, but that matter is a construct,
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something that exists, and that we have a method to
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deal with that. And the same is true for consciousness.
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Consciousness exists. Whether you're like the idea or not like
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it doesn't help dismissing it because everything we live and
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everything we feel, we only feel in consciousness. So we
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cannot dismiss the reality of consciousness right whether it's deriving
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from the brain or not. It's not something that science
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can answer. But we can choose to assume, to make
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a choice that the brain might not necessarily be creating consciousness.
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It could be the other way around. Consciousness might be
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creating the brain. For all we know, and then all
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of our experience by just changing the assumption, so it's
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not a matter of belief anymore. By just changing the assumption,
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all of our conscious experience gains much more legitimacy because
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now we accept it to be real, as real as matter.
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And that's all about choice more than belief. It's all
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about choosing a framework.
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You said, so much better fullness in there, and I
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want to pick up on it because one of the
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things that you know, I think, I shared this on
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the show a lot, and it's definitely how I understand
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the world is that our beliefs help us to navigate
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this three D world. Right, we have this conceptual understanding,
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and I believe.
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That's how we create our reality.
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Right, So we are creating within, you know, the framework
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of the things that we believe, and because we often
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believe things that are contradictory, that's what makes it all
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so fun and also keeps it loose, right. And so
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the way that I personally deal with my belief systems
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to the extent that I'm aware of them, because again,
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sometimes they are assumptions. Right, you're saying, the whole materialistic
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paradigm is based on the assumption, you know, that matter
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is primary, and that's a big one, right, that we
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think is the result. And I love that, so I
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want to highlight that again. And so sometimes we're not
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even aware that something's an assumption, right, But.
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The more that I am and I do, I love
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what you say.
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I choose what to believe, if I choose what's helpful
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at a certain time, and I wear it loosely because
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I understand that I want my beliefs and my conceptual
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framework to be flexible enough to serve me and what's
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going to be the most useful.
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Now. Yes, it's a working belief.
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It's a working belief, oh, beautifully put exactly. And I
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don't want anything to be more than a working belief,
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because then I forget the truth of who and what
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I really am, which is the energy or awareness that's
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choosing what to connect with right now and where to
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focus my attention and what to give my energy to.
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It's not the conceptual framework that's right or wrong. It's
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how I navigate it as a awareness, as a consciousness. Right,
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So that's how I understand things. But I'm throwing it
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back to you and seeing how that lands.
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Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about it. It's totally
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okay to have working beliefs. It's just dangerous when we
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forget that they were assumptions, choices, and like a working
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beliefs and start to take them as the ultimate reality.
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think the ultimate reality is something that is quite beyond
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our grasp at this stage of our human evolution. We
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don't really have the means to make sense of it,
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and I don't think we need to make sense of it.
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I think it's great to have a working reality and
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understand the consensual working reality to enough of a degree
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that you can function in it if you so choose,
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or how you so choose, right, because some of us,
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you know, there are things of the consensual reality that
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I unplug from because they're not fun for me, you know.
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I guess I have to pay my taxes, you know,
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in order to like keep my house and things like that. Right,
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So there's you know, there's some play, but and I
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want to go back to the thread that I was getting,
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you know.
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Helpful to have a little bit of conceptual reality because
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it keeps us grounded in the three D or you know,
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maybe even the four D or the five D. I
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don't know how far it goes, but it helps us
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function in this consensual reality in it and helps us
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have this experience.
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But I love what you're saying.
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If we lock into those beliefs too hard, it takes
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us out of who and what we really are exactly.
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I think that's beautiful.
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My little nudge in my head is taking me in
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a slightly different direction, but I think that they line up.
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You said something I think I was chatting with you yesterday,
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you know, in a different forum, but you were talking
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a little bit about science and just the role of
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science in general, because I was throwing at you quantum physics, right,
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because a lot of the guests that I've had on
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the show say, look, the materialist paradigm can't explain this stuff,
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but quantum physics tells us that consciousness is primary, that
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everything is made out of consciousness, and that solves the problem.
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But you're not satisfied with that answer either, right, Well.
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Well, the problem is that if you ask quantum physicists,
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they don't have a consensus about that. Okay, because quantum
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physics became a matter of interpretation, it seems like there's
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a need for an observer for the collapse of the
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wave function. But then people started extrapolating, So that's where
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consciousness exists. So quantum physics has shown us that consciousness
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is real and those are It can be seen as
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like a very far fetched conclusion from what the physics
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is actually telling us.
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Got it right, So it's an extrapolation.
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Yeah, and I'm not a physicist, But what I can
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say is that quantum physics hasn't discovered or explained consciousness,
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not yet. It might happen in the future, but I'm
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suspicious because for you to even know that consciousness exists,
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you have to be a conscious being. So the example
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I was using yesterday in our conversation was pain. Right,
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So pain is a phenomenon then most people consider to
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be normal because it's a consensus phenomenon.
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Everybody feels it.
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I looked this up after the conversation because I was
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pretty sure. But there is a subset of the population
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with the genetic condition whereby they don't feel pain. But anyway,
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go ahead, Yeah, exactly, but it's a common experience.
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But my point is that it was never science who
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discovered pain. Think about it, like, because science is a
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method for discovering things. It's a discovery method and exploration method, right,
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so if it was a super good method, science would
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have revealed the existence of pain. But no, like we've
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known about pain since ever, like since before we invented
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the method, since before we invented science. We never needed
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science to tell us that pain exists.
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Right, And in fact, science can give us some corelates
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of pain. You can measure what's happening in the body
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when someone has the subjective experience of pain.
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People to assign numbers to their pain and then use
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that in a psychological study. But you can't get inside
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someone's head and discover through science the felt sense, the
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felt experience of experiencing discomfort.
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That's what I realized doing my brain maps, Like I
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could see the correlates of the phenomenon, but I couldn't.
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I'll never have the means to understand what the phenomenon
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really is by just looking at the physical correlates of
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the phenomenon. So when we study pain, when we ask
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a patient and like, how bad is our pain on
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a scale from one to ten, that's using a conscious instrument,
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which is the patient, to prove a reality that we
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know exists because we have first hand access to it.
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We have first hand access to the reality because we
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are conscious beings. But science as a method has no consciousness.
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Only scientists have consciousness. So it's it's an a sillarity
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method to help conscious beings make sense of the physical world.
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But it's not a method that really allows us to
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just cover aspects of reality that they are not part
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of the natural world.
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So that's as simple as that, right.
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Yeah, And even before the neuroscience my you know, doctorate,
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because I didn't want to go to med school because
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the people in the classes scared me and I just
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just didn't like the pre med track, so I had
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to skip over to neuro psychology and psychology and it
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ended up in cognitive psychology, right. But my field that
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I got my first degree and was an offshoot of
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you know, behaviorism, which was this whole idea, we can't
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describe what's you know, going on in people's minds, so
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let's just skip that and let's just look at observable behavior.
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So this has been and you know, this was sixty
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seventy years ago right where people were saying, let's just
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cut the mind out of the whole thing altogether. So
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this has been a longstanding issue in science trying to
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get that felt sense.
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And it's an honest stake, I think, because like, look,
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we cannot really make sense of that it pertains to
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our reality science cannot probe into. So let's focus on
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what we can measure behavior and try to make sense
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of humans by looking at what can be measured. And
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I think it's a honest stake. You understand there's limits
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to the method, to the scientific method, and you're sticking
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to what you know about the method. But it's incomplete
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because there's this whole other reality happening that science cannot probe,
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and it's much more related to our true nature because
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we only know like it's because we have that experience.
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It's because we feel pain, it's because we are self aware,
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it's because we have a conscious experience. It's because we
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can make sense of different types of quality. That we
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know that other reality exists, that we know the first
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person reality exists, that consciousness reality exists. Doesn't matter like tough, Look,
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if the science cannot go there, we still know it exists.
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So we need something else and another method, another way,
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another assumption to start exploring that other reality.
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Another reality. I love that.
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Where does the mind fit into this. Do you think
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the mind is conscious? Is it separate from our awareness?
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I mean a lot of spiritual teachers would make the
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distinction between consciousness and the mind.
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Yeah, I would do the same, because, well, the mind
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first of all has conscious and unconscious and subconscious aspects
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to it. Right, So brain activity and bodily activity also,
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Like my heart is bumping right now, and it's beating
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right now, and I'm not necessarily conscious of that, and
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I'm breeding right now in a like a subconscious way.
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There is a lot of activity going on in our body,
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and not all of that is conscious, Not all of
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that is experienced in consciousness, right, And the mind there
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is a place where everything that we believe to be
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us and create our danity exists. Like if I am Daniel,
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if I believe to be Daniel, that information is encoded
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in my brain that I'm Daniel. Like when I hear
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the name Daniel, neurons will react to that name in
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a different way if I heard, like someone calling another name,
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so that I am Daniel. That's established in my brain.
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It is encoded there somewhere right when someone calls my
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name and I react, and I'm believing that experience. I'm
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conscious of that experience, a conscious experience. But that's happening.
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There is a mind. There is a mental process happening
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that I'm aware of that I'm conscious about, right, right,
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So the mind is a byproduct of the brain. There
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is like the brain activity creates the mind. But then
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why is it then that some aspects of the mind
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are experienced whereas others are not necessarily right, and then
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if those processes are experienced, then who is experiencing those processes?
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So I think that consciousness exists in another layer, so
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to speak. So there consciousness is that which experiences the body,
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the mind, the universe, the whole human experience, and the
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brain helps in the process. The brain is like a transducer,
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like a future that allows consciousness to have the Daniel
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experience or the Victoria experience.
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Right, Yeah, And and I often talk about this when
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I teach, because what happens in the brain in those
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first sets years of life when we are really getting
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I think fully, you know, acculturated to this human consensual
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reality which we know that's sort of a critical period
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of humanizing so to speak. Is you're losing neural connections, right,
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You're losing connectivity in the brain, and you tell me
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if I'm wrong, because you're the real neuroscientist here and
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I'm the neuropsychologist. You know. Sometimes but that's my understanding.
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A lot of what happens is actually a winnowing down
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of innerconnections, which is very consistent with the idea that
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you know, as we develop, we're filtering out a lot
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so that we can focus on what you know, we've
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been taught we're supposed to see, like this is me,
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you know. I think babies are born with synesthesia right
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where all the senses are together. But over time you learn, okay,
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this is seeing, this is hearing, this is this object,
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this is that object. And what it does is it
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filters down our experience. I don't think the other stuff
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goes away, right, because a lot of us are still
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having those extra sensory experiences all the time, or energy beings,
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and I think it's always happening. I think it's more
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of a matter of the sort of noise in our head.
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What we've been.
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Taught to focus on what you know, is filling our space.
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But we you know, we all can still have and
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redevelop that expanded awareness. But I think early on, you know,
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the brain starts to create that filter for us.
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Yeah, so what did you mention again about losing connections?
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When does that happen?
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So my understanding is in early development, a lot of
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what happens is, you know, you're actually shedding inner connectivity. Sure, yeah, okay, yeah,
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that's my understanding.
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Yeah, it's interesting. I don't clim to know like all
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about that. Also because neuroscience is such a big field,
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and what I used to do is like it was
485
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brain mapping using a.
486
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Function which is also really really cool.
487
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.839
Yeah, function MRI of developed brains, of like adult brain.
488
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What I can tell from my personal experiences that there
489
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is a state of consciousness where you are pure existence,
490
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:15.400
where there is no identity, no language, no memory, no ego,
491
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:19.400
there's just pure existence. I know that because that's the
492
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:23.599
state I found myself in when I had my near
493
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:28.279
death experience. So I found myself in that state. So
494
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:31.799
I know for a fact that the state exists. So
495
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.400
I wonder if that's not like it felt to me
496
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.359
like a very primal kind of existence. And it was
497
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.960
at the same time so comfortable, so comforting, like there
498
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:48.599
was nothing I should do or worry about. It was
499
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.400
like the most intense sense of peace I've ever had
500
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.039
in that state. And then I remember growing up looking
501
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.319
at my body and finding it so weird, and like
502
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.119
looking at my hand, like which is related to what
503
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:06.759
we're describing like a baby, it starts learning, well, this
504
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:10.960
is sound, this is a vision, this is like a
505
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.640
mom you know, like, and I have these memories from
506
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.680
like a childhood looking at myself and thinking about.
507
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:18.359
This is weird.
508
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.079
So there is a lot of conditioning that goes for
509
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.799
years in the early stages of our childhood where we
510
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.559
learn how to be a human, Like we learn what
511
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.240
it means to be on this planet.
512
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.039
We learn like, well that hurts, and we know we
513
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:35.759
learned that.
514
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.960
So there's a whole lot of things that we learn
515
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.519
because we are in a new context. I think, yeah,
516
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:44.680
just finds itself in a new context.
517
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.400
Yeah, that's what I got to study during my post
518
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.319
talk is cognitive development, but also social development too, and
519
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.440
our development of our understanding of the world and ourselves.
520
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.400
And you know, it's not given. It's something that we
521
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.440
develop and created by playing with other human beings. But
522
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:05.920
I think it is consistent with this idea that your
523
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:06.839
brain is a filter.
524
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.640
Yeah, it works more filtering out experience than actually giving
525
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.599
you experience exactly exactly.
526
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.759
I mean that's consistent too with the fact that when
527
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.039
people have these peaky experiences, right, like when somebody dies,
528
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.720
their consciousness persists. When you give someone a loocinogenics, right,
529
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.720
you would think that it would enhance the brain areas,
530
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.240
but it actually quiets the brain. And that's why they
531
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:36.240
have these expanded experiences.
532
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.200
So expanded experience it requires quieting of the mind, right,
533
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.960
because the mind is what gets in the.
534
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:46.079
Way, exactly, And in the work that I do, right,
535
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.440
what happens, like how do I connect with you know,
536
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.640
the dead loved ones, the spirit GUIDs and the source
537
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.839
of wisdom that sometimes if I'm quiet enough likes to
538
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.319
speak through these lips. Right, it's by quieting my mind. Ago,
539
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.160
I went to a natural path and he was like,
540
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.000
you need a meditation practice, and I'm not for or
541
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.160
against meditation, and there's reasons to do it, you know,
542
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.400
above and beyond connecting with your spirit guides. But the
543
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.960
first thing out of my mouth, which he didn't understand,
544
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.519
was but I'm in a meditative state all day.
545
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:18.039
Like that's what I do.
546
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.039
I quiet my mind and let things and beings talk
547
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.279
through me, right, So, but that's actually how it works. Right,
548
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.359
when my mind is really loud, I'm not hearing anything
549
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.720
but my own, you know, And it's not mine.
550
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.599
Right, The mind is not actually yours.
551
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.519
We use that terminology, but I believe it's a socially
552
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.839
constructed way in which I have inadvertently plugged into the
553
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:40.880
human experience.
554
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.119
It's not who and what I am at all.
555
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.119
There are times when I love to have it and
556
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.000
play with it and explore it and co create with it.
557
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.200
But I try as much as I can not to
558
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.759
make the mistake of thinking that's who I am yea,
559
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:56.839
you know. And that's how I get the best out
560
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:00.559
of it too, because I can learn now to choose. Oh,
561
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.960
this part of the mind feels really good, that part,
562
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.720
you know, Like when I'm overwhelmed with that part of
563
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:07.640
my mind, that's when I really want to power down.
564
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.920
The mind gives us context to live in the physical world,
565
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.599
so we need information we need It's like working memory
566
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:19.000
and like this working assumption. Everything that is useful for
567
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:23.200
you to work in the natural world with in a
568
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.839
physical body and a human body, all of that happens
569
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.359
in the mind and then as you go and fully
570
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.640
embrace the human experience, the more use you make of
571
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:32.200
the mind.
572
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:33.960
It's definitely not.
573
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.920
About being right or wrong or the mind you should
574
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.759
disconnect or I think it is important to know what
575
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.279
your true essence is, which is not the mind.
576
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:45.640
Right.
577
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.559
It's like a computer there is running and has memory
578
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:54.039
of what's doing or I'm working now on this Excel expreadsheet.
579
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.559
So at that moment, that's the mind of the computer.
580
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.160
It doesn't define the computer. That's far from being the
581
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.160
only thing that the computer can do, and it tells
582
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.359
nothing about all of the transistors and all of the
583
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:11.360
engineering that there is behind the computer.
584
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.440
But it's a useful thing. The mind is a useful thing.
585
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.199
And the deeper you go into human experience and the
586
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.239
more you want to achieve, for example, or the more
587
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:25.320
success you're looking for like that is defined in the
588
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.519
physical world, the more you have to make use of
589
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:29.320
your mind.
590
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.039
The busier the.
591
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.639
Mind gets because it's the instrument that we use to
592
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.800
it's a working memory, like we need that to operate, and.
593
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.039
The world is demanding that of us, right, because that's
594
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:44.280
what the world is built.
595
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:48.559
On exactly exactly, so, particularly the existing world, the current world.
596
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.039
We lose perspective of how many different worlds we already
597
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:56.000
had on this planet. Humanity has already had based on
598
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:59.880
different assumptions in different world views, and it's hard for
599
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.760
to make sense of it because if there are other
600
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.719
lives we don't necessarily remember. It's hard to make sense
601
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.960
of a reality that we are not really living because
602
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.199
like think of how things used to be in the
603
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:16.559
past when people had another different world perspective. It's not
604
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.920
the same as like we can put ourselves in their
605
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.639
shoes try to imagine how it will be, but it's
606
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.400
very different than being in the situation believing that that's
607
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.000
the real deal, that that's the real world and you
608
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:31.199
have to operate in that environment. So at the end
609
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:33.719
of the day, I think that our friend has a
610
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.199
great point around the idea that this is all a
611
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.599
simulation like a game. It can be definitely understood as such,
612
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:43.199
and then we have to understand who is playing the character,
613
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:48.119
because then that Daniel and Victoria, they are characters on
614
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:48.559
this game.
615
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:52.159
Right, But I think for me and not everyone sees
616
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.039
things this way, but this is how I've come to
617
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.199
understand it. You are also creating the simulation, right you know,
618
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:03.119
I believe consciousness is prime, right, So your consciousness is
619
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.760
interacting with the physical world, but your consciousness is also
620
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.960
creating the physical world. So it's doing both things at
621
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.800
the same time, which is a little bit mind blowing,
622
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.079
but for me it makes perfect sense. Right.
623
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:16.559
So you know, like.
624
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.039
You're perceiving the table and to some degree you are
625
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.519
at the table, you're creating the table at the same time.
626
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:26.639
Yes, that's very interesting because if you decide to assume
627
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:31.760
their consciousness is primary, then the physical world exists, it's
628
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:36.000
subordinate to consciousness. It exists in a sense within consciousness,
629
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.280
and it's a consequence of consciousness more than a cause
630
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.519
of consciousness, right, so that the whole again, the brain
631
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.519
is not creating consciousness. Consciousness is creating the brain and
632
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.920
everything else. Then the question I think is, well, if
633
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:55.679
consciousness is primary and it's non physical, then what is consciousness?
634
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.320
What are the rules of consciousness? What are the physical
635
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.920
laws of consciousness? Well, they cannot have physical laws because
636
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.159
we just decided they're not physical, which makes perfect sense
637
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:06.480
to me.
638
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:11.239
It makes perfect sense to me, perfect Yeah, So then
639
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.880
you have to learn, you have to start unlearning everything
640
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:15.840
that you think you know.
641
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:21.719
For example, the whole idea of having independent objects, that's
642
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.320
an idea of the physical world. Maybe in consciousness there's
643
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.360
no separation between objects. Maybe the whole idea that I'm
644
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.199
Daniel and you're Victoria, that's a definition of this physical world.
645
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.639
Maybe in consciousness we are just one and the same.
646
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:36.559
Right.
647
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:41.599
So if I am building my own reality, does that
648
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:45.800
mean that I'm building this table, this house, this whole planet,
649
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.639
or the universe? Am I the creator of the whole universe?
650
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.719
And that's tricky for the three D mind to make
651
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.000
sense of because in that case, it's not like it
652
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:02.679
is Daniel's consciousness creating the whole thing. It is consciousness
653
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.199
creating the whole thing, right, And the identity of Daniel
654
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:11.960
and the Daniel as a being exists also within that consciousness.
655
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:12.320
Amen.
656
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:16.480
So it's not my consciousness because there's no such a
657
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:18.800
thing as I mean, I can. There is a thing
658
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.800
called my hand, right, it's my hand because it's not me.
659
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.000
There is a thing called my body because the body
660
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.480
is not me. There is a thing called my name
661
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.880
because the name is not really me.
662
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:32.760
Right.
663
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.440
But then when it comes to consciousness, it's not really
664
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:36.920
my consciousness.
665
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:41.000
That's you that's right, and you are one with everything else.
666
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.159
You're a part of it, right, And people that have
667
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.079
those peak spiritual experiences, right, that is very common thing
668
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.199
when you recognize, oh unity, we're all one, and that's
669
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.719
when the angels come out and sing, I mean, which
670
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.320
are also a part of you. But like metaphorically right, yeah,
671
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.440
I mean those are those moments. Is that how you
672
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.920
felt and you're near that experienceience or was it not
673
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:01.960
part of that?
674
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.639
Well, in my near def experience, there wasn't much to
675
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.639
live and to experience or to tell because it was
676
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:15.280
a very information deprived kind of experience. There wasn't being angels,
677
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.440
nothing like that. I didn't see any thing. It was black,
678
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.880
it was dark, it was even though it was peaceful,
679
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.719
but there was no information like oh this is hot,
680
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.559
this is cold. No, there was no color, there was nothing.
681
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.920
There was nothing to process. And because people have those
682
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:38.400
experiences with angels and all that psychedelics, that implies structure.
683
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.559
So when you're seeing an angel and you're having the
684
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.559
experience of seeing an angel, that requires the structure because
685
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.440
there is information there, there is a definition to an angel,
686
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:50.599
to what an angel is.
687
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.400
Well, when you come back, there's a definition to it,
688
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.440
because remember we're reporting back and people that have had
689
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.400
and again, I think there are different experiences that we
690
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.159
can have and when the brain is no longer filtering,
691
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.199
and probably different places we can go in different levels
692
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.480
of creation, and these may or may not be things
693
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.599
that we can understand with our three D minds. Yeah,
694
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.239
but people that have had near death experiences will often
695
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.280
report when I come back, it's very hard to explain
696
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.639
what I experience there in human terms.
697
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:21.920
It is very hard.
698
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:26.360
And that makes me think that there are other layers
699
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:30.840
of physicality or physical reality. What I mean by physical
700
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.519
is that there is structure to it. Yeah, there is
701
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.119
a structure to the natural world, so that's why we
702
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.079
can study it scientifically. So I think that between us
703
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.559
in physical form and us as consciousness, as pure consciousness,
704
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.719
I believe there are layers of reality that we haven't
705
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.480
really fully grasped. I mean, there's a whole lot of
706
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:53.119
to explore.
707
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.840
Yeah, and I would say conceptual rather than physical, maybe
708
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.440
because some of the places that I have visited with
709
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:04.039
my consciousness, you can know, you can see, you can understand,
710
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:08.679
you can create, but there isn't the encumbrance of physicality, right,
711
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.519
that's the way that they explain it.
712
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.400
But there is a loose sense of identity.
713
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:14.199
Right.
714
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:18.239
There are realms out there exactly. There are non physical,
715
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.280
but they are they have structure. I think one typical
716
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.039
realm that we can describe is math.
717
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:25.440
Math.
718
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.800
Like there is this idea of platonic spaces where things
719
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.679
exist they are not physical, and math is a good
720
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.079
example because like the idea of one, two, three, of
721
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.360
counting things.
722
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.599
That's a very real thing there is.
723
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.480
It's a thing that exists, but math doesn't really exist
724
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:46.840
in the physical world. You're not going to find number
725
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.480
one in the physical world. It's an abstraction, right, yeah, exactly,
726
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.320
but it's a real, very real one that exists in
727
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:57.119
a space. So I think that it makes sense to
728
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:03.239
think that consciousness would have created spaces that give support
729
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.159
to So it's like there are layers of reality and
730
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.639
like you cannot have a physical reality without It's like
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a computer program without Before the computer does anything, you
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have to define certain variables. You have to give the
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computer certain definitions, and those definitions they exist in their
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own right. They are real things, but they are not
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operating things. They are like a concepts, which is what
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you said so there are spaces out there, there are
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very real and non physical.
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And there are people that say too, our whole experience, right,
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A lot of our experience of the three D world,
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including the three D world, is an abstruction as well, right,
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because it's my believing that this is a cup makes
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it so. But like, we talk to you all day,
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but I can't We're going to do this again, and
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I'm not done talking to you, my friend. This was delightful,
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but for the sake of my listeners, we're going to
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start to wind this one down. And I ask everyone
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on the show this one question. So, how do you
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personally experience your intuition?
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Intuition? That's a great one.
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I've been experiencing my whole life my intuition, right, and
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I follow it. I follow my intuition even when it's
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telling me to do something like it's not the most
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responsible thing to do, but I trust it. But I
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think there is there are levels to intuition. There's intuition
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that seems brain generated, because again, there's a lot of
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processes in the brain going on, you're not necessarily conscious
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of all of them, and intuition gives you a window
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into decisions based on information you have and knowledge you
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have that you don't necessarily have access to all of them.
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Sometimes you just feel that.
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You just follow your gut feeling right, because it's a
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summary of all of your experiences telling you to do something.
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And that's kind of an intuition.
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So the first type of intuition feels very internal, and
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sometimes there are intuitions that feel very external, like someone
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is whispering in my ear, and like in guiding and giving,
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and sometimes it even comes with an accent, as I
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was telling you before. Yeah, so it feels foreign or
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this is not me. And sometimes I even can have
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conversation with that, like having conversation with your intuition, meaning
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it's either us creating. It's amazing because, like for example,
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working with AI, when you have two different sessions with
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the same the very same model, the sessions don't know
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about each other, but you're talking with the same person,
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so to speak, but they don't have the sense of
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that because they are indifferent. So in a sense, it
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could be you talking to yourself like I'm separating or
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creating two instances of your being so in such a
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way that they can interact and talk to each other
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and maybe that's how intuition works. Intuition is a part
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of you that is coming back to talk to you
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from a different perspective.
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I love that.
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But then again, if we all all want everything is you.
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Even if an intuition comes with an accent, that accent
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is still you.
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It's all part of you. Yeah, I got a question
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from a listener. I don't know if I've done it
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as a show or not yet, but it's on my
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board of things to address. But they said, okay, if
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I have a higher self, if they're source, Like why
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do I need spirit guides and you.
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Don't, like you don't.
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It's just another way to think about it, because your
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spirit guides are just aspects of you, just like I'm
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an aspect of you and you know, but sometimes I
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find them really helpful, so I connect with them, Like
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that's the way I like to think about things.
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Yes, yeah, aren't you Victoria in an aspect of me? Like
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we're we live in the same country, we're speaking the
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same language, we like, abide by the same norms. So
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it's in a sense, if you're talking to me, you
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are me talking to me in a.
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Same And that's that's where I think I want to
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end this one because I've been thinking about this throughout
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the conversation. I don't know if you've read the Fifth
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Agreement by Don Miguel Ruis, but in the Fifth Agreement
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he has this beautiful image of you know, you're watching
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the movie of your life, and then you go into
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the movie theater of your dad, you know, watching the
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movie Theater of his life, or even watching the movie
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Theater of your life, You're going to get a really
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different story, right, You're going to get a really different storyline.
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And this will open up a whole other pian of
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worms that we can't hit today. But I think that
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speaks to the primacy of our own felt sense experience,
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like whoever I am, and we're all part of that
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one conscious field I believe anyway, So this is kind
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of a moot point. But there's no way that I
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can know that you are real, that you you know
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what I'm saying, Like, it's all I only really know
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things from my perspective, right, That's the only way I know.
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I know what I think that I'm experiencing right now.
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I don't know if that means sense. I hope I
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didn't just open up another can of worms.
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Anything you know to be real is that we you experience.
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Experience is the ultimate form of probing reality and the
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building reality. And I think that where quantum physics becomes
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interesting because then maybe it's not necessarily what quantum physics says,
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but maybe because of the doors or quantum physics opened,
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that reality is created at the exact time it is
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it is experienced. So we create reality by just experiencing it.
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That's beautiful and I agree with that a million percent.
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All right, so share about where we can find you,
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your website, your book, your online the consciousness.
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Alma Consciousness Alma dot com.
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Okay, yeah, it's all there. So you have a school
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of Consciousness, you have the book.
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Yeah, the book, Well, I have my own website Daniel
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Bronco dot com. Who has more about me. But the
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project that I'm really working on now and developing, which
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derives from the book, this pirituality book, that's the Consciousness
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almost cool of Consciousness.
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Yeah, okay, consciousness Ama dot com. All right, we'll have
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all of that information in the show notes. And if
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you're hearing this when it goes live and you're in
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San Diego or wanting to travel to San Diego at
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the end of September for the Transcendent Retreat.
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San Diego transcend This Retreat dot com.
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Yeah, San Diego Transcendence Retreat dot com.
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And do you know those dates?
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It's September nineteenth, the week in nineteenth and twenty.
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Yeah, there we go, thank you, the nineteenth and twentieth
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of September. It's a great lineup. I'm going to be
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interviewing a couple folks from that lineup, So if you're
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hearing this live, come out and hear Daniel's presentation there.
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I'll be there on and off throughout the day supporting
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my podcast Networkmindbodyspirit dot FM. I attended last year and
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it was amazing, so we can see this gentleman there too.
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Any parting words, this was so much fun.
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Well, thank you Victoria for having me and I hope
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this conversation has an impact on people's life.
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I think it will.
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I think it will and listeners and never get tired
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of saying this.
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I just want to thank you all for tuning in.
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It's because of.
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You I get to have this podcast, I get to
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have these conversations. It's just such an honor and blessing
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and I love and I'm grateful to each and every
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one of you. So enjoy the rest of your day
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and now, Mistay, all right, that's a rap for today.
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I hope you found joy, peace, and inspiration from today's episode.
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So thank you so much for tuning in.
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Love you so much, and I'll see you next week.