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Welcome Back, Cover one Draft Weekly. John Helmcamp, my buddy Daniel in
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harms Way aka the Walking Trap aka
Danny Deltoyd's I don't know whatever you want
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to call them. So, buddy, how you doing? You know,
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I'm doing fantastic, And we'll figure
out a nickname for both of us.
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As soon as we get this going
a little bit longer, We're gonna meet
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up at the Senior Bowl, get
a little bit of in person experience.
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It's gonna be great. But honestly, I'm on cloud nine. Michigan.
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My team won the national championship on
Monday, y'all. They did it.
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They pull out the victory. Honestly, going into the game against Alabama,
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I was like a hurt Michigan fan. I knew like this was all for
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Michigan to lose to Alabama. And
then into the fourth quarter I'm sitting here
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watching, I'm like, yeah,
this is exactly what it feels like every
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single year. And then oh wait, wait for it. McArthur hits a
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couple of passes, they run,
they get the touchdown, they go to
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overtime. Things kind of change from
there. I think they really believed they
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could win the National championship after they
beat Alabama, and I believe too,
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so getting to watch that game,
really wasn't too worried about it, even
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going into the second half with Washington
getting the ball back. But I'm doing
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fantastic. How you doing, man? How you doing? I'm hanging in.
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You know. It was a little
bittersweet for me being a Oregon born
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and raised PAC twelve group on the
PAC ten. Yeah, you know,
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like I've loved it so to see
the finale of the conference essentially by all
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aspects, come down to a pretty
rough loss in the NATTI. They made
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it interesting there, like you said, around the late second quarter, going
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into halftime, coming out, but
it really wasn't much in question that Michigan
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pretty much dominated this game. And
if you guys are listening to the show,
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and this is your first time listening
to the show, go back and
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listen to last week's because we previewed
it and Daniel was on the crystal Ball
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saying exactly what Michigan needed to do, and they did all of those things.
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What were the keys? What was
it you said last week? It
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was pretty cut and dry in my
opinion. I told everyone, would they
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be able to run the football.
What do they do if they come out
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They rip off forty plus yard touchdown
runs to Donovan Edwards, a fifty plus
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er from you know, from Blake
Horum, and then it was complimentary football.
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Playing defense put a lid on the
Washington offense, forced them to go
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down the field in methodical drives,
something that they hadn't done all season long,
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and they got frustrated. We saw
Michael Pennix Junior miss passes that he
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never misses, that he never misses. And when you're changing the picture,
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I didn't expect them to be changing
the picture post snap as much as they
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did. To be able to do
that from a college defense, that is
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a lot of faith and trust in
your players. So what they did for
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that entire week, Mintor gets a
ton of credit for being able to basically
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bring out a brand new game plan. You know, you got one game
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that's changed everything and make it so. We rely on the intelligence of these
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players and make it so again.
They have to make the right decisions,
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be in the right spots, and
nearly every time they were. There were
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a couple guys that got open.
You saw some of the miscommunications that did
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tend to happen when you're putting in
like a brand new defensive playbook. Romo
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Dunese got deep, got got got
them deep a couple of times and miss
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you know, he missed them.
The interest in the h oh, not
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the interception, but that was that
was a little different. But the uh,
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the hold. I know people are
mad about the hold. He did
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hook him. I get it.
I understand that it was frustrating. There
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was some tiki tack of calls in
this game. Let's be honest. This
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was a big oh, kind of
a weird officiated officiated game. But at
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the end of the day, I
think even with those plays, if they
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had gone Washington's way, this Michigan
defense in the red zone was nails.
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They had the one touchdown drive,
but they were nails. They were getting
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after and they were They weren't just
getting after Michael Pennix. They were hitting
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him. That was something he hadn't
dealt with all season. There was one
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guy on the offensive line of Washington
that did not struggle, and it was
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Troy Fonton. Whoever wants to put
in the inside No, he was fantastic
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at left tackles Washington. He's a
left tackle. I've come around to that
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I originally was thinking, Ah,
maybe you kick him inside and stuff like
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that. But the more that I
watch him and see him stand up at
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the left tackle position, now he's
the starting left tackle in the NFL all
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day long. There's a couple of
things. I do want to give Washington
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some credit though, instead of just
being on here and bashing them, they
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fought hard, great season, phenomenal
season that they were able to put together
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Michigan. Like you said, they
came out and they ripped off long runs
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early in this game. Both Donovan
Edwards and Blake Corum went him early.
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They finished the game the Michigan as
a team with three hundred and three rushing
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yards. Three hundred and three.
That's a silly number. However, as
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the game went on, as it
got into the second quarter, Washington's defense
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really started to make some adjustments.
They did a really good job of limiting
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those big play They did everything they
could to try to give PENNICKX a chance
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to get back into it. But
that Michigan defense was relentless, and like
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you were saying, the pressure the
quarterback hits everything that he was enduring throughout
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that game. By the end of
it, I was like oh Man just
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pull him out like he looked like
he was just keeled over every single play.
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And I know he's a gritty competitor
and there's no way he would ever
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come out of the game. It's
but just my feelings watching it, I'm
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just like, God, you might
have to save him from himself here.
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But it's the National Championship. You
go all out, you leave it,
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You'll leave it out there, I
understand, but man, Michigan was just
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relentless to him, getting after him
time and time again. So one thing
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I want to talk about some of
the top prospects in this game. National
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Championship is over. It is strictly
NFL Draft for these kids from now on.
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There's no more there's no more game
tape other than Senior Bowl and other
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than you know, Shrine Bowl and
some stuff like that. But competitive football,
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it's it's all said and done.
So was there anyone in this game
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that you thought stood out in terms
of having a really good performance that might
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to help their stock a little bit
or did anyone take a step backwards?
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Yeah, I think that we kind
of hit on it a little bit earlier.
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Troy Pontno, who who was again
fantastic in this game. I do
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think he opened up a lot of
people's eyes because, like you and I
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were just mentioning, he was the
topic of conversation of just we're going to
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put him on the inside. We
don't really know much about his ability to
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hold up to the NFL style defensive
ends, but I think what we saw
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on Monday was that he can handle
it. Like Michigan's power everywhere up front
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was demonstrated in one of the best
offensive lines that college football has to offer.
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And I know it was through the
Pac twelve. People will say,
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well, it was the Pac twelve
defenses. I understand all that, but
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every single week you have to come
to play like you have to be able
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to keep Michael Pennix Junior up,
and they did all season long until this
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game. And I think the power
of the speed, the athleticism of Michigan's
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front was on full display. And
Troy did not blink. He didn't blink
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at once. And he has been
projected as more of a Day two guy.
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This tackle class is really really deep, it's really really good, and
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he's going to test extremely well.
He's a great athlete and when you get
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down in the red zone. I
watch it when I'm watching his tape.
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I noticed I mentioned this last week
too, that he's a road grader in
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the red zone, Like he's not
one of these offensive linemen that is purely
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a pass protection specialist and kind of
gets in the way in the run blocking
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department and through like in between the
twenties, he's still a good run blocker,
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but when they get into the red
zone, he turns a switch and
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he gets on people and drive blocks
down the field. I love the vertical
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push that he gets. So when
I was watching him back again in this
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game, I'm just like, there's
there's no question anymore. Like I was
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never on the kick him inside train. But it's nice to have that positional
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flexibility because he does offer that he's
gonna if you have tackles and you draft
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this guy, you have, well, he can play tackle, but we
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can also kick him inside and have
that positional flexibility, which really NFL teams
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love. Right now, you know, Peter Kronsky last year going to the
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Titans like he's got positional flexibility,
can do whatever they want to with him.
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He offers that, and I think
that it could have bumped him up
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into the first round after his performance
in the National Championship. Yeah, I
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don't hate that at all. I
think it's entirely possible that he can give
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in the first round. Like you
said, the flexibility is huge. There.
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There's one thing that NFL teams can
never have too much of, and
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it's a good offensive lineman. Yes, so if I don't care if the
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guy's got to wait in the wings
for a little bit, if you draft
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whatever, you can never have too
many offensive liignment injuries happen. Like you
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said, positional flexibility, having someone
that can kick inside or be your starting
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left tackle, He's going to be
a really intriguing prospect. I feel for
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I feel for Penix because, Yeah, going into last week's game, I
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was talking about him, I was
hyping him up. I'm thinking he's got
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the tools to potentially be a top
ten draft pick. I know he has
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some weaknesses in his game, throwing
to the middle the field something that he
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kind of struggles with a little bit, but those out routes, his ability
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to drive the ball downfield and pinpoint
placement and with just a rocket of an
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arm. I was hoping that he
would come out and he would show out
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on the biggest stage against this great
Michigan defense and really help his his stock.
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It's similar, I feel like to
last year. We wanted to see
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how CJ. Stroud was gonna perform
going against Georgia. He gave it everything.
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They lost that game. He played
incredible. Penix unfortunately didn't do that.
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I don't know, one game does
not make a prospect, but he
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didn't do himself any favors in this
pre draft process with that National championship,
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throwing two picks, missing on some
throws that he typically hits on. So
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Michael Penix is one that I feel
for see. I think when I was
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watching that again, like this is
this is kind of who Michael Pennix is.
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And that was I know people were
really gassing him up. And I
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love the performance against Texas. It
was fantastic. The big difference between Texas
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defense is Michigan defense is because Michigan
again put an umbrella on the offense and
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they said beat us down the field. Throw against Will Johnson, and he
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gave Roman Nuns a battle that battle. He was great, was amazing,
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but Rome was too, like don't
He caused a couple of holds, a
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couple of pass interference plays, like
Rome's legit prospect of going against the guy
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who's again as sophomore, but he's
going to be a legit corner in the
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NFL. And that was so much
fun to watch. And Michael Pennix again,
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I'll say this, when you get
him off a spot, he has
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a tendency to be erratic with his
throws, and he showed that again.
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The gutsiness to stand inside the pocket, to still try to get through his
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reads and deliver the ball to wherever
he could get it to and taking hits
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is not it. You know,
I loved I love to see it.
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It's not lost on me. It's
takes guts to stand in that pocket and
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get hit over and over and over
again by guys who are dominating the interior
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offensive line. So this, well, if you guys listen the last week's
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show, this is kind of how
I felt about Michael Pennix. I didn't
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think he'd be a top ten pick
even with his performance, just because it's
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some of the things that aren't his
faults. He's just not the best athlete
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in the world. And if you
can push him off a spot every now
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and then move him to the right
and get him uncomfortable. He does have
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a tendency to spray it. But
I'm more interested to hear what you think
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about JJ McCarthy, because again,
this is the second game in a row
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where we've had a conversation about the
Michigan quarterback and we're sitting here like,
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what is what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do with this
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guy? I still have no idea. It's the same as entering last week.
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His highs are crazy high, his
lows are crazy low. He's all
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over the place. I mean,
god, it kind of reminds me of
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Carson Wentz in the NFL a little
bit, like sometimes we'll make these beautiful
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athletic plays and throw a frozen rope
over layering it between, you know,
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defenders and just beautiful stuff, and
then sometimes it's like, what are you
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do win? I still don't know, And at this point today we're recording
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on Thursday, January eleventh, he
has not announced if he's declaring for the
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draft or not. I kind of
hope he comes back. I hope that
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he stays in Michigan for one more
year and try to polish that up a
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little bit and help himself, because
as of right now he's He's not a
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first round pick, not not even
close. So, but with another year,
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next year's draft class, the quarterbacks
does not look particularly strong. Quinn
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Ewers might be the quarterback one in
that draft class, or should her Sanders.
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It's not this year. It's not
dealing with the Caleb Williams Drake may
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So if he goes back, he
could see himself a top three pick next
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year if he if he cleans some
stuff up and polishes it and has a
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really great season, I think it
would. I think it would serve him
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well, go back and continue to
work on that. You know, for
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me, one of the big takea
first and foremost, I want to committee
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for bringing up will Johnson, who
sophomore true sophomore balled out. We will
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be talking about his name this time
next year. Absolutely, yeah, there's
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no question about it. Going back
to that game, Donovan Edwards ripping off
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multiple long touchdown runs. It's like, bro, where have you been all
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year? Because this is a prospect
that the traits I love and I've been
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wanting to see more of him.
You know, Blake Korum, he clearly
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is the lead back in that backfield. I like Blake Korum a lot.
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I know he's undersized, but he
makes people miss in about this much space.
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He's incredible. But Donovan Edwards also
looks like a guy that could serve
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a role at the NFL, and
those massive explosive runs maybe helped him out
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a little. I don't disagree at
all. I think he reminds me of
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like Isaiah Pacheco that can catch passes, they can run rounds like that's kind
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of how it feels. He's a
bowl in the China chot, but he's
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very much more of a vertical runner. He will one cut one, put
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his foot in the dirt, get
up field. We saw a little bit
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of the vision again to see that
cutback lane. I know everyone I saw
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the screenshots. Why isn't he running
there? First? Well, that's not
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how run plays. They're designed.
It's designed to go to the left.
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But then you're like, oh,
hey, look a cutback line, and
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I'm not that's what That's what Zoe
running is. That's exactly what it is,
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right that you're blocking it up where
everyone's flowing and you're either picking if
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I'm going to continue or if I
have a cutback lin where I can get
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yourself and he did that time and
time again and got upfield in a hurry.
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And he's not a small dude.
He's six one two ten, so
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he's got size for the NFL.
It's legitimately NFL sized. Like going back
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to watch him against Ohio State the
last couple of seasons when Blake Korm got
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hurt. Last year when he came
in, he was a dominant player.
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As a sophomore, he was a
dominant running back. So he dominated that
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football game. And he's gonna put
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going to declare because he showed once
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bit of daylight, the size,
the speed. But again, the past
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catching ability is so valuable and he
you know, played with a club on
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his hand for most of the end
of last year. He had a broken
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hand and he was still out there
trying to catch pass and stuff like that.
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So that's kind of cool to see
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So he definitely helped himself out with
this performance in the National Championship on
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the biggest stage. He and Blake
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the drafts draft process. We're going
to see Blake korm at the Senior Bowl.
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Can't wait to see that. I'm
excited about these running backs because they're
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gonna help help teams in the NFL. They are, They're very valuable.
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Before we get off the college level, can we just talk about how Michigan
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made Nick Saban retire. I mean, I'm not going to have them take
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credit for it. It just so
happens that he retired after losing to Michigan.
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His very last game as a head
coach will be losing to Michigan in
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overtime. That's gonna taste a little
bit better. Yeah, reminds me of
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Tom Brady's last game in New England. He threw a pick on his last
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pass as a Patriot against the Titans. Reminds me of that. So let's
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tar the page a little bit to
the NFL draft. We now know the
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top five picks are locked in.
We have Chicago at number one, Washington
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Commanders at number two, New England
Patriots at number three, Arizona Cardinals at
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number four, and the Los Angeles
Charges are at number five. We're gonna
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stick kind of in that top five
for range Man. We talked about Nick
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Saban leaving all within twenty four hours. We had Sabin, we had Pete
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Carroll, and we have Bill Belichick
all leave. I mean, you're talking
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two of the greatest coaches of all
time and then Pete Carroll. But Pete
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Carroll has his own resume, He's
done his own great work and stuff like
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that. I just have to throw
a little shade. But he's not in
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the same pantheon and we know that. But you're talking Bill Belichick and Nick
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Saban, two of the greatest football
coaches of all time period, and then
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Pete Carroll, I think might be
the longest tenured head coach in the NFL
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before stepping down something like that.
He was right around the same time I
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think as Mike Tomlins, so he's
been around in Seattle for a long time.
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New England having that third overall pick, we know Bill Belichick was the
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one in charge of all the football
decisions. There's no more Bill, so
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we know they're going to be quick
in looking to fill their GM vacancy.
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What do you think this means for
Patriots? Is it just we've acknowledged that
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we're we're no longer that era of
Patriots dynasty and as a fresh start,
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clean slate, we're setting a new
new direction forward. I think it has
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to be. Especially this is going
to be a very interesting topic of conversation,
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especially if the Chicago Bears keep just
in fields. Because if the New
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England Patriots go out they hire a
young, offensive minded offensive coordinator. We
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assume Drod Mayo is going to be
the head coach at this point, like
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that's an assumption that we're kind of
making right now. But if it's him,
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or if it's Mike Frable, both
of those guys are not offensive guys
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that will handle the selecting of the
quarterback. They're going to look to bring
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in probably a young, offensive minded
OC that has maybe some experience play calling,
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because that's going to be a huge
part for either Drod Mayo or a
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Mike Rabel led team. They're not
going to be in their complace, so
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someone's gonna have to have some play
calling experience. That's gonna be where I'm
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interested because they might try to jump
Washington to go get a quarterback. And
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I do think that what we're going
to see in New England is going to
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be a very, i would say
drastically different team than what we're used to
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seeing. They're still going to try
to hold down the fort On the defensive
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side, they have Christian Gonzales from
the last last year's draft pick, which
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again I can't believe he fell to
them. As far as he did,
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he was legitimately on pace to win. Nice and nice little heart, I
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believe it. That was hard.
Yeah, that's that's amazing. That'srible.
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I could not expect that. I
was doing the Oregon for Christian Goanzalees and
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I thought I was doing a heart. That's that's so cute. Look at
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that. Oh, that's amazing.
But I couldn't believe I can either.
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And I mean, we're going to
see what that that looks like on defense.
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But I expect a new OC obviously
a new GM, new head coach,
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and they can get very interesting if
they want to trade up to get
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Caleb Williams and try to re configure
the outlook of what the what we know
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the New England Patriots to be.
They could do a shift and not be
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a defensive oriented team and try to
go the opposite direction and win with offense.
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Yeah, which we haven't seen it
a long time. I mean,
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even in the Tom Brady era,
it was it was defense first. It
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was Bill Belichick's defense, and then
you just had a human computer running the
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offense in Tom Brady. So it's
it's cleaned out. Belichick's gone, Brady's
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gone, Patriots fans of old,
it's a new era. And you know
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what, you had a great twenty
years. So I don't want to hear
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anything from you guys for a long
time. But now, yeah, we're
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looking at New England sitting there third
overall pick. We're pretty much set in
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stone at this point that we're gonna
have quarterbacks go one two? Are they
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gonna miss Like, are they gonna
miss out on both Caleb Williams and Drake
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May and sit there at at three
and run it back again with the quarterback
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room that they have, or how
aggressive is a new GM gonna be and
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say we're gonna put all our chips
in here, we're gonna restart the franchise
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and we only got to move up
two picks to get Caleb Williams, or
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hell, maybe they just try to
swap with Washington, if Washington's content with
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Sam Howell, if they think they
can get a haul to move down.
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I don't know, it's gonna be
fascinating. I'm so curious but it definitely
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seems like there's gonna be some sort
of shuffling going on to the top.
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If not, I'd be surprised.
I mean, we're gonna be talking about
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this all offseason and watch Chicago's gonna
trade justin fields. They're gonna take Caleb
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Williams first overall, Washington's gonna stay
at number two, They're gonna take Drake
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Mack and then behind that you have
New England. How are they gonna value
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the other quarterbacks in this draft classes
Jayden Daniels worthy of the third overall pick,
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or are they gonna go another route
and go offensive line, or they're
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gonna go Marvin Harrison Junior and be
like we'll figure out quarterback later. It's
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gonna be really interesting to see how
that shakes out. This whole process is
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gonna be a lot of fun,
and especially with all these teams looking for
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new head coaches, new offensive coordinators, and again with the new regime coming
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into New England, all of the
pressure is going to be on them to
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make something happen because of what Bill
Belichick left behind. Like, there's gonna
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be a whole lot of pressure on
the incoming GM head coach offensive coordinator to
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say we have to rewrite this ship
so you could see them try to just
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sell the farm and go get Drake
may or Kleab Williams and just say,
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look, we have to do something
drastic to be able to write what we've
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seen on the offensive side of the
ball here. So I can't wait to
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see what happens. It's gonna be
so much fun these next few months.
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And just I just love the draft
season. I love all this stuff,
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free agency, this entire season is
fantastic, and I'm so happy we get
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to share our thoughts with you guys. Yeah, thanks for listening to our
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ramblings. Man. Yeah, that
Patriots situation, they're gonna walk in whoever
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the new head coach offensive coordinator GM
is going to be. I don't think
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there've ever been bigger shoes to fill
in the history of the NFL than the
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dynasty that the Patriots have had over
the last twenty plus years, other than
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the last four years, but we
will talk about that. Speaking of the
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draft, Matt Eberflus is staying in
Chicago as the head coach, but Luke
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Getsy's gone, so new offensive system. So your plan is either we're putting
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the third offensive system in four years
with Justin Fields, or you're giving Luke
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Getsy to potentially Marvin or potentially Kayleb
Williams. This is I don't agree with
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the decision myself. Obviously it can
work. I'm not saying it's not going
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to work. I don't necessarily think
that this decision to keep Matt Eberfluz makes
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a ton of sense. That's just
throw it out there. Say they trade
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Justin Fields away and they draft Kayla
Williams number one overall and they don't make
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the playoffs. I know what's going
to happen. Matti Eubracluz is gonna get
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fired, his staff behind him,
the new offensive coordinator that just came in,
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They're all getting fired. So guess
that's what you start back to square
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one with Kayleb Williams, who's now
learning a second offense in the span of
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two years. Let's go back to
a few years ago, like when they
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when this was a whole all happening
with Matt Naggie and Justin Fields. This
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whole situation has happened before, and
it happened before too with mich This whole
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situation has happened three times, or
if this is how it goes, it
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will be the third time it's happened
in seven years in Chicago. So looking
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at that, it makes me feel
once again more optimistic that they will stick
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with Justin Fields. But this is
a huge It's not a decision to be
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made lightly for this organization at all. So you know, they've got a
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ton of information to go through.
That's why they're saying. Ryan pouls Is
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like, dude, we have a
ton of information to collect. We have
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tons of it because they can't just
say, yeah, we're gonna go with
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stick with Justin Fields when this is
a really good quarterback class and they want
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to be able to get right.
The offensive coordinator is going to be interesting.
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And with all these guys that have
play calling experience. There are eight
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head coaching vacancies in the NFL right
now, eight of them. How many
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of those head coaching jobs do you
think are going to want an offensive coordinator
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to be their head coach that have
had play calling experience? A lot?
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That's another thing. A lot of
them will because that's what New England and
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maybe Tennessee. Yeah, maybe that's
a ton of people and they're Matt Eberflus
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needs to get an offensive coordinator in
that can handle his own offense and call
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plays because he can't call play.
So I'm I'm, like I said,
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not not what I would have done
myself. It can work. I'm not
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saying it won't work. I have
little faith that this plan here to stick
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with Matt Ebrafous will work. My
biggest concern with this, As we've said
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several times, this quarterback draft class
is one of the best quarterback draft classes
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that has come out at the top
of the class, the best quarterback classes
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that has come out in decades.
I mean, Drake may would be the
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number one overall pick in almost any
other draft except for this one. Because
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you have Caleb Williams, who is
getting talk of being the best quarterback prospect
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since Andrew Luck or before that.
I mean, there's people all over comparing
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them to like, Yes, I
would take him as a prospect over Trevor
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Lawrence. Yes, I would take
him as a prospect over the number one
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pick for the last seven, eight
years, whatever it's been. If they
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decide that they're going to stick with
Justin Fields with a new offensive coordinator and
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run it back with Matt Eberflus and
it bombs and all three of them are
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gone. And then you're in next
year's draft class looking at Quinn yours as
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potentially being the best option available to
you. You have to be so sure
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on Justin Fields to pass on him
this year, looking ahead to what's coming,
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you have to be so convinced you
have the first overall pick in back
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to back years. Yeah, and
last year it could have been Bryce Young
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where it could have been CJ.
Stroud. CJ. Stroud is looking like
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a superstar if one of the two
quarterbacks were both of the quarterbacks taken early
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in the twenty twenty four draft turn
into superstars and Justin Field's missus. Oh
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man, that is a rough road
to haul for Chicago. Yeah, you
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don't want to deal with that.
No, And that's why, again,
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why everyone's saying Justin you know,
saying Ryan Pole is saying that their collecting
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information means they're moving on from Justin
Fields. No, that's not it at
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all. They need to do their
due jill, due diligence with this pick,
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with this situation, they gotta nail
the offensive coordinator that's number one before
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we make the decision whether you're gonna
take a stick with Justin fields or not.
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You need an offensive coordinator. That
has to happen now, So you
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need to involve him in the process
too, because that offensive coordator is going
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to have a ton of input on
whether you want justin fields or you want
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to move on to Kayleb Williams.
So all this has to be handled first,
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and it cannot happen quickly. So
I know we spent a lot of
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time talking about in Chicago last week. We're doing it right now because this
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situation with Washington behind them, New
England behind them, there is a ton
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that goes into this specific year.
Like you said with Kayleb Williams, Drake
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May and then again jayde and Daniels
is not out of this conversation. Teams
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are going to talk themselves into him
because of the athletic ability that he has
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and the way that he can just
make kind of like Justin fields in the
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sense that he can turn any run
into a touchdown. I still think that
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Justin fields athletic ability is better than
Jade Daniels, but just there's a ton
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to be talked about here. So
I mean, this situation is gonna be
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a ton of fun to go through
again. And we said it already,
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this draft might be one of the
most fun drafts we have with trades that
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we've had in a very long time. And I'm looking forward to it.
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Yeah. I just I really hope
that there's a chaos grenade. I hope
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someone outside yes the top five to
seven picks is like, we're gonna give
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you the farm to come up for
Caleb Williams and we just have total chaos.
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You can never predict exactly how it's
gonna go, and that's why we
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love this. It's amazing. So
moving on my new favorite segment that we
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did last week as well, stunks
Up talking about player, stunks Up a
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player whose draft stock is rising.
This week, we're going to talk about
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a Washington wide receiver, but not
Ramadunze. Who are we talking about?
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Man? This is the guy on
the opposite side, Number two, Jalen
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Polk listed at six to two hundred
and four pounds. He has declared for
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the NFL Draft and if you guys
watched him against Texas, you're like,
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oh, this guy caught five passes
for over one hundred yards and two touchdowns
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and that one that deflected over his
head. That shows you just a little
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bit of the ball tracking, because
that's not it's a little bit of luck
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to get out right in front of
him, but you have to be able
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to follow it, you know,
when it goes over your head. And
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that's again kind of like we talked
about with Thomas last week. The ball
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tracking, the sideline awareness, the
being and the ball skills are all there.
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He's got probably some of the strongest
hands in this draft class in jail
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the Poll. I believe that along
with his teammate rom Madouonze, who are
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just these guys in traffic. That's
why Michael Pettix is just like chucking it
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up to him. I got single
coverage. Okay, you go get it.
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I'm not that worried about it.
I'll give you a chance at it.
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And the difference for me is that
when I i'm you know, guys,
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don't If you look behind me,
you can see some chief stuff back
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here. I'm a Chiefs fan,
and when I'm watching Rashid Rice in this
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iteration of Kansas City's offense where they
were getting him the ball in space and
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doing stuff like that, I see
a bit of that in Jalen Pol.
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I think his speed is underrated.
I think he's gonna surprise people with his
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forty times at the combine. I
also think that his spatial awareness is much
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better. Like he's he's a good
zone reader. You see it a couple
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of times where he's stopping in his
own and he sees that the ball's not
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coming out, he sees a linebacker
coming to him, He'll just get into
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that space behind him. He's very
good at clearing linebackers and getting in the
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second level and stopping in spaces.
And that's something that separates him from a
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guy like Brian Thomas in my eyes, that he's able to identify those spots
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and zone I do think that his
route run and he needs some work,
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specifically at the top of his route, so just kind of like it's really
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rough around the edges, he'll round
him off or he'll just like chop down
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a little bit too much. But
what do you think about Jalen Polk?
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Are you Are you buying the buzz
that we're seeing right now and maybe maybe
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even climbing into the back of the
first round. I like all the things
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that you were saying about him.
I agree with all of that. His
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hands are so strong, and he
is so physical at the catch point.
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It's he attacks the ball, he's
he hand catches everything. He does it
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exactly I was supposed to be done. You mentioned his ball tracking. He's
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incredible with that, his sideline awareness, great, body control great. I
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like him a lot. Now he's
not getting that same buzz. We were
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talking about Brian Thomas last week where
some people were putting him at like fifteenth
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overall, which yeah, no.
But Jalen Polk as a wide receiver in
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that kind of next tier down maybe
like the third tier of wide receivers in
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this draft class, I like a
lot. We didn't talk about actually that
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Amikagbuka is returning to Ohio State,
so we lost a wide receiver out of
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that kind of Tierguka would have been
probably Iguka would have been higher than Jalen
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Polk, but we lost someone there. So the board is going to kind
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of shift a little bit to phill. I don't think he's going to push
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for late first draft capital, but
I think that he's really solidly implanted in
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Day two, if not Round two, to get drafted. He's a great
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deep threat. He's not he's not
a burner. He's not elite speed,
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but he does have good speed,
and like you said, his zone awareness
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is great and his ability to track
the ball with great hands. I think
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it's a great complimentary piece in an
offense. He's not an alp that's gonna
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go out there and be the one, but he's very quarterback friendly in the
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way that he positions himself, the
way that he catches like everything thrown at
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him, and the way that he
fights for contested catches strong at the catch
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point, and reads the defenses.
So Jalen Polk is a wide receiver that
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I think is going to fill a
very good role. Teams in need of
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a of a good number two cover
one. A lot of you people are
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Bills fans. Jalen Polk could be
an option there if they don't go round
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one wide receiver. Jalen Polk I
could see as being a valuable asset for
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Buffalo in his ability to stretch the
defenses, win with some speed, win
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on the boundaries, get downfield a
little bit so, especially because I'm thinking
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Gave Davis is probably gone this offseason. So yeah, Jalen Polk, I
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like him. He's gonna be very
interesting. Let's go to Senior Bowl man,
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we havet's like two and a half
weeks and weeks that's it, man,
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I'm getting I'm hyped. I got
so much film to go back and
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rewatch, and rewatch, and rewatch
and sort out on all these guys.
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And there's so many names this year. There's just so many guys, and
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I really love that they opened up
access to under Klassman to be able to
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participate in this. Who are some
names that have caught your eye that you're
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really excited to go see in person
and see how they stack up against very
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good defenders. There's gonna be some
really good dbs in particularly so on the
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offensive side, defense, all of
it, the whole mess to be excited
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about. I'm excited. You guys
heard me talk about Troi Fono. He's
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gonna be at the Senior Bowl.
I can't wait to watch him again against
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better competition, continuing what he did
at the National Championship. And then I
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got two guys. Lad mcconchney is
one of my favorite, maybe fourth tier
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wide receivers. This guy's always open. He's consistently finding different ways to generate
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separation, whether it's speed dilation in
the five yards, this the route stem
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is being able to identify leverage with
this cornerback. He has all of that.
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I also think he's an underrated speed
guy. I think he can actually
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play on the outside and in the
inside at the next level because of the
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way he reads leverage in the defender. So he's somebody that I want to
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see in one on ones because I
think he's gonna dust up just about everybud
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and that he plays up against,
and that's gonna be a lot of fun.
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And then my dark horse quarterback in
this draft class, Spencer Rattler.
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I think that his offensive line that
South Carolina did him absolutely zero favors,
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and he's gonna be able to throw
to his guy Xavier, like get who
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I also can't wait to see.
But Spencer, We're so excited to get
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down there and to see that.
That's exactly what this is. Every time
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I'm like, oh, oh,
I can't wait to see that guy.
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Oh can't wait to see him.
That's exactly what this is. We be
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sitting in the bleachers next to each
other just like, holy shit, did
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you see that right exactly, just
shaking him. Look at it, Look
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look over here, look over there. Euse Routler's got it all guys,
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He's got all the tools. Now
the big question for me with Spencer Ratler
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is can he be point and shoot? Can you, as a coach direct
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him to not make some of the
really critical dumb errors that he makes in
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his processing And a lot of it
does go through his offensive line where it
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makes him speed up his process.
So going to the next level is going
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to be important. I think that
him for him to get a little bit
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of time behind a starter with a
decent offensive line. But I'm telling you
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right now, arm strength, downfield, accuracy in the pocket, mobility which
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is really underrated for him, I
think that it gets he It takes a
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lot of sacks people like, well, this guy can't move in the pocket.
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No, it's because he's busy trying
to get the ball down to the
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get the ball out, and his
offensive linemen are letting guys just fall into
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his lap all the time. So
Spencer Ratler is a guy that I really
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think can actually be a legitimate quarterback
in the next level. He just needs
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a little bit of kind of point
and direction. So I'm excited to see
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these guys. I know that you
are a big Oregon fan, so let's
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talk a little bit about some of
the guys you are excited to see at
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the Senior Bowl. We'll start under
center. Mister bow Nicks is gonna be
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huh and bo Nicks returning back to
the South where he did not exactly get
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his college career off to a great
start, but what he did since transferring
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to Oregon he completely flipped the script. He was phenomenal for the Ducks for
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two straight years. He's gritty,
he's got arm strength, he has underrated
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mobility, he can run it like
he is an athlete, and he is
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a competitor. And bo Nix,
to me, is a guy that he
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should be above Spencer Rattler in terms
of most people's draft boards. But I
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think that bow Knicks, I don't
know if I'm going to say that I'm
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ready to I don't know if I'm
ready to call him a starter at the
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next level, But I think that
he has a lot of the traits where
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he could be a really high end
backup. And if he works his way
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into a situation where he gets an
opportunity, I could see him taking it
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over. I absolutely could. He's
quick, he's decisive, he has very
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he has very strong arm talent you
never know. I mean these guys that
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are just smart about the game and
see things the right way. He minimizes
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turnover so much once he got to
Oregon. Those are the kind of guys
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that that you like, that you
like in the NFL. You like the
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guys that are going to compete and
that are gonna work hard and that can
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read things correctly and not make the
stupid choice. And he very rarely made
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the stupid choice over the last two
years in college. So I'm excited to
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see him. And you know what, it is not on our little show
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sheet here, but Jackson Powers Johnson, his center baby JPJ is gonna be
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there and I cannot wait to see
Jackson Johnson. He's gonna put it and
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everyone's gonna go. Everyone in the
stand is gonna stand OUTA That's exactly what's
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gonna happen. Yeah, he is
such a powerhouse and so good in both
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run and pass pro He allowed hold
on I have it here. He did
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not allow a single sack in his
college career and only allowed two quarterback hits
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in his entire college career. He's
rock solid. He's a day one starter
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in my opinion at center at the
next level. He's phenomenal. I love
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him so much and I can't wait. Like you said, road Grader,
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he finishes players. He just h
he's gonna pancake someone. He's gonna put
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someone into the dirt, and I
can't wait to see who that's gonna be.
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I will also add here that I
cannot wait to see Latsu Latsu,
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who's been battling injuries at UCLA and
now he's healthy, and if he was
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healthy his entire college career, he's
like a top ten draft pick level at
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rusher in my opinion, top ten
to fifteen. The guy can play,
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He's got a motor, and I
think that this was so smart for him
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to go to the Senior Bowl against
very good offensive lignement and show what he
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can do. Lotsu Latsu is or
it's Layatsu lat too. There's an extra
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syllable in there. He is someone
that just screams nfl at rusher. To
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me, I would not be surprised
if he was on the forty nine ers
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board. He seems like the typica
they would love to take. I mean,
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he he just he has the athleticism, he has the smarts. He
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diagnosed his place and he gets to
the ball carrier in a hurry. When
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he closes on someone, it's over
pretty quick. So he's someone that I
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can't wait to see down there.
There's just so many names, though we
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can't get to all of them right
now, but there's gonna be a lot.
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I think we're gonna start doing a
little bit of positional work here too,
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and talk about like top running backs, top wide receivers, top corners,
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like we'll probably get through that in
some future shows. What was really
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interesting to me is after the National
Championship he had a whole slew of Michigan
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players except that advice to the Senior
Bowl. Now, I know that you're
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pumped about that. Who are you
except to see? Man, this is
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gonna be so much fun again,
you guys. I was at the Sennier
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Bowl for my first year last year. I brought my daughter with me,
595
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so I was trying to manage that
and get my eyes on as many guys
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as I could. There were.
Jayden Reid was the guy that I really
597
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.800
focused on like the majority of my
time at the Super Bowl last year,
598
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and I was like, this guy's
going to be a star, and he's
599
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pretty much a star. I think
he might be the best wide receiver in
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Green Bay and the one guy this
year out of these players from Michigan's coming
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out. I'm looking at Mike Sanderstill
and what he was able to do this
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season. He's played two years of
nickel corner, played two of it.
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He was a wide receiver first made
the transition of the last two years to
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nickel corner, and he, in
my opinion, is not just one of
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the best cornerbacks in this draft.
I think he's the best nickel corner that
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there is. He uses his understanding
of how to play the wide receiver position
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in his nickel corner coverages. He
reads leverage, what the wide receiver is
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trying to do, how he's gonna
set him up. He's think of it
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the exact same way, so he's
really anticipatory. He can get in that
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hip pocket and stay with these shifty
or these faster guys. And what he's
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going to come up against again at
the Senior Bowl. Are these wide receivers
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that are fast, explosive, can
change direction really well. I want to
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see him in one on ones.
I want to see how he handles a
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lot of this, because again he
was playing against Jalen McMillan in pretty much
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for the majority of his time at
the in the National Championship game when he
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was in the slot, so we
faced you see a little bit of it
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with Jaylen Polk when they moved him
in the slot. Same with him and
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said they moved these guys around a
lot, but the number one matchup,
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But people really like Jayalen McMillan.
I think he's gonna end up going back
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to Washington personally, and Mike Sanders
still had a fantastic It's just a fantastic
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National Championship game. With that interception
he nearly took back for a touchdown.
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It would have been so great to
kind of cap it off that way.
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So out of the list of players
that we've got, I think I'm most
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excited to see how he handles himself
again, only playing nickel corner for two
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years and he's coming out to the
Senior Bowl. So he's some that I
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think has improved his draft stock a
ton, and he's got another opportunity to
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continue to climb up boards. He's
a great He's a great choice for someone
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to watch. It's gonna be super
interesting to see him in those one of
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the ones. Like you were talking
about all these fast wide receivers that are
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going to be at the Senior Bowl. How he stacks up against them,
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the elite route runners. Listen for
anyone that is going to tune into Senior
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ble practices and watch stuff and find
clips online and all that stuff. With
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the one on ones, there is
such a heavy advantage to the wide receiver.
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Yes, in those they're designed to
basically allow the wide receivers to showcase
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what they can do. Like that's
basically what those go toys. No one
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holds it against the corners. If
a wide receiver is out there taking five
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seconds for a release package and then
dust, which you don't have time to
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do in a game. But they
go out there and they show off all
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the footwork that they can muster and
put that stuff on tape. How he
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does against that's going to be great. Speaking of wide receivers, Michigan,
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I even Roman Wilson is gonna be
one of the names that's there. He's
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very interesting to me because he reminds
me a little bit of a Jayden Reid
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in the way that not not style
of play, but situation. He didn't
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have the production of even touchdowns.
He had twelve touchdowns this year, which
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is great. Yeah, but he
had forty eight receptions for seven hundred and
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eighty nine yards respectful, but not
like a dominant output. This system that
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he played in didn't allow him to
do that. He was in a one
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first offense. We talked about it
last week how basically the second half of
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the year it seems like they didn't
ask McCarthy to do much. So that
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doesn't help Roman Wilson. But somehow
he still got twelve touchdowns. I don't
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know how he managed to rack up
that many of them, but he's very
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interesting to me. He's listed at
six foot one ninety two. I don't
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think he's six foot one ninety two. I'm curious to see his senior ble
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way in because to me, he
definitely looks like he's under six foot.
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On the field, he definitely looks
like he's under one hundred and ninety pounds.
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But in today's NFL that doesn't really
matter all that much. So you,
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being the Michigan fan, what are
your thoughts on a Roman Wilson at
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what we're going to see in mobile. I'm more interested to see how he
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gets in and out of his breaks. Like That's something that I'm still trying
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to figure out about Roman is that
he's he's got good speed. He's a
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good extender, which means, you
know, I'm talking about his ability to
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catch the ball away from his body. He has a very good catch radius
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for a guy who's a little bit
smaller, but he's got he knows how
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to use his arm as well.
Go back and watch his catch against Alabama
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at a ball that was tipped at
the line of scrimmage and just went like
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above where JJ McCarthy get intended it
to and hekes full extension and then he
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makes a guy miss right after the
catch. That's kind of the stuff that
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I'm looking at. But how can
you use your post catch brain, your
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post catch athleticism earlier in your route
structure, like in the stem in how
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he's setting up cornerbacks and dbs using
that leverage to understand. I want to
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see that, And that's kind of
what like you were talking about. With
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these one on ones, we're gonna
get an opportunity to see the thought process.
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You're gonna if he's taking a little
bit too long on all of his
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setup, it's gonna tell me he's
not really entirely sure on how he wants
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to go about this. You pick
a route, pick a stem, and
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figure it out. Go quickly,
that's what you want to do. That
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shows me that you're streamlined in the
process, You're making it faster. It's
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not just this entire Oh, I
have to do this, I have to
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do that. I have to be
able to get in and out of the
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break here, maybe do three different
moves. I don't want to see any
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of that. I want to see
you decide. I want to see you
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set up, and I want to
see you execute. And when these guys
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are going quickly, Like again you
talk about Jayden Reid, this was quick.
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He was like, I'm just gonna
do this and I'm gonna break out
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and I'm gonna win. And I
want to see that from Roman Wilson.
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So his ability to showcase what he
can do in the stem and the first
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you know, those first two or
three yards to create separation is going to
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be a huge part of what I'm
looking for from him in those one on
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ones. In this whole week.
There's a slew of wide receivers that are
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going to be going into the end
draft, and that'll be just down a
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mobile. The water zero recorded mobile
is going to be insane to watch.
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With some great names. Things that
separate guys that are late round picks to
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mid round picks to better than that
are the little details. It's their ability
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to get in and out of their
breaks. It's the ability to leverage.
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It's all the things that you were
just mentioning being an athlete and having good
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hands. I can find five thousand
guys that fit that mold across the country.
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But do you have the understanding of
the game and the footwork and the
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agility to be able to get in
and out of your breaks succinctly and to
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get yourself into an open position for
your quarterback because in the NFL you're open
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for not very long, so you
have to be able to create it and
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the ball be there and that's the
end. You've got a small little window
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where the play can be executed and
that you can actually win on it unless
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you're one of these hyper elite guys. So I agree with that. How
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he does in that his ability to
get in and out of his breaks,
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his ability to set up defenders.
I think scouts are going to be paying
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a lot of attention to that.
And I'm going to walk around and I'm
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just gonna be like, hey,
what'd you think of Roman Wilson. I'm
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just gonna be asking about everyone that
I can see. It's gonna be great.
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I can't wait. I can't just
talk to people. It's gonna be
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awesome see what everyone's talking about.
We'll see if I can harass any of
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the NFL network guys and see if
they'll give you. That'd be a lot
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of fun. Well, I think
that's pretty much what we have for now.
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I think next week we'll really flip
into more of an in depth Senior
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Bowl preview and really start looking into
it and breaking down some more stuff.
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Now that, like I said,
National championship's done, that's all. That's
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all behind us. It's one hundred
percent forward to the Draft. So thank
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you guys for listening. This is
cover one Draft Weekly, John Helmcamp,
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Buddy, Daniel Harms. We'll see
you next week.
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Welcome Back, Cover one Draft Weekly. John Helmcamp, my buddy Daniel in
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harms Way aka the Walking Trap aka
Danny Deltoyd's I don't know whatever you want
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to call them. So, buddy, how you doing? You know,
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I'm doing fantastic, And we'll figure
out a nickname for both of us.
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As soon as we get this going
a little bit longer, We're gonna meet
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up at the Senior Bowl, get
a little bit of in person experience.
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It's gonna be great. But honestly, I'm on cloud nine. Michigan.
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My team won the national championship on
Monday, y'all. They did it.
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They pull out the victory. Honestly, going into the game against Alabama,
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I was like a hurt Michigan fan. I knew like this was all for
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Michigan to lose to Alabama. And
then into the fourth quarter I'm sitting here
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watching, I'm like, yeah,
this is exactly what it feels like every
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single year. And then oh wait, wait for it. McArthur hits a
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couple of passes, they run,
they get the touchdown, they go to
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overtime. Things kind of change from
there. I think they really believed they
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could win the National championship after they
beat Alabama, and I believe too,
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so getting to watch that game,
really wasn't too worried about it, even
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going into the second half with Washington
getting the ball back. But I'm doing
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fantastic. How you doing, man? How you doing? I'm hanging in.
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You know. It was a little
bittersweet for me being a Oregon born
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and raised PAC twelve group on the
PAC ten. Yeah, you know,
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like I've loved it so to see
the finale of the conference essentially by all
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aspects, come down to a pretty
rough loss in the NATTI. They made
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it interesting there, like you said, around the late second quarter, going
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into halftime, coming out, but
it really wasn't much in question that Michigan
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pretty much dominated this game. And
if you guys are listening to the show,
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and this is your first time listening
to the show, go back and
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listen to last week's because we previewed
it and Daniel was on the crystal Ball
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saying exactly what Michigan needed to do, and they did all of those things.
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What were the keys? What was
it you said last week? It
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was pretty cut and dry in my
opinion. I told everyone, would they
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be able to run the football.
What do they do if they come out
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They rip off forty plus yard touchdown
runs to Donovan Edwards, a fifty plus
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er from you know, from Blake
Horum, and then it was complimentary football.
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Playing defense put a lid on the
Washington offense, forced them to go
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down the field in methodical drives,
something that they hadn't done all season long,
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and they got frustrated. We saw
Michael Pennix Junior miss passes that he
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never misses, that he never misses. And when you're changing the picture,
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I didn't expect them to be changing
the picture post snap as much as they
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did. To be able to do
that from a college defense, that is
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a lot of faith and trust in
your players. So what they did for
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that entire week, Mintor gets a
ton of credit for being able to basically
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bring out a brand new game plan. You know, you got one game
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that's changed everything and make it so. We rely on the intelligence of these
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players and make it so again.
They have to make the right decisions,
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be in the right spots, and
nearly every time they were. There were
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a couple guys that got open.
You saw some of the miscommunications that did
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tend to happen when you're putting in
like a brand new defensive playbook. Romo
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Dunese got deep, got got got
them deep a couple of times and miss
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you know, he missed them.
The interest in the h oh, not
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the interception, but that was that
was a little different. But the uh,
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the hold. I know people are
mad about the hold. He did
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hook him. I get it.
I understand that it was frustrating. There
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was some tiki tack of calls in
this game. Let's be honest. This
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was a big oh, kind of
a weird officiated officiated game. But at
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the end of the day, I
think even with those plays, if they
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had gone Washington's way, this Michigan
defense in the red zone was nails.
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They had the one touchdown drive,
but they were nails. They were getting
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after and they were They weren't just
getting after Michael Pennix. They were hitting
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him. That was something he hadn't
dealt with all season. There was one
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guy on the offensive line of Washington
that did not struggle, and it was
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Troy Fonton. Whoever wants to put
in the inside No, he was fantastic
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at left tackles Washington. He's a
left tackle. I've come around to that
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I originally was thinking, Ah,
maybe you kick him inside and stuff like
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that. But the more that I
watch him and see him stand up at
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the left tackle position, now he's
the starting left tackle in the NFL all
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day long. There's a couple of
things. I do want to give Washington
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some credit though, instead of just
being on here and bashing them, they
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fought hard, great season, phenomenal
season that they were able to put together
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Michigan. Like you said, they
came out and they ripped off long runs
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early in this game. Both Donovan
Edwards and Blake Corum went him early.
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They finished the game the Michigan as
a team with three hundred and three rushing
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yards. Three hundred and three.
That's a silly number. However, as
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the game went on, as it
got into the second quarter, Washington's defense
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really started to make some adjustments.
They did a really good job of limiting
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those big play They did everything they
could to try to give PENNICKX a chance
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to get back into it. But
that Michigan defense was relentless, and like
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you were saying, the pressure the
quarterback hits everything that he was enduring throughout
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that game. By the end of
it, I was like oh Man just
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pull him out like he looked like
he was just keeled over every single play.
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And I know he's a gritty competitor
and there's no way he would ever
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come out of the game. It's
but just my feelings watching it, I'm
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just like, God, you might
have to save him from himself here.
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But it's the National Championship. You
go all out, you leave it,
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You'll leave it out there, I
understand, but man, Michigan was just
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relentless to him, getting after him
time and time again. So one thing
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I want to talk about some of
the top prospects in this game. National
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Championship is over. It is strictly
NFL Draft for these kids from now on.
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There's no more there's no more game
tape other than Senior Bowl and other
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than you know, Shrine Bowl and
some stuff like that. But competitive football,
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it's it's all said and done.
So was there anyone in this game
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that you thought stood out in terms
of having a really good performance that might
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to help their stock a little bit
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Troy Pontno, who who was again
fantastic in this game. I do
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think he opened up a lot of
people's eyes because, like you and I
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were just mentioning, he was the
topic of conversation of just we're going to
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put him on the inside. We
don't really know much about his ability to
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hold up to the NFL style defensive
ends, but I think what we saw
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on Monday was that he can handle
it. Like Michigan's power everywhere up front
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was demonstrated in one of the best
offensive lines that college football has to offer.
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And I know it was through the
Pac twelve. People will say,
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well, it was the Pac twelve
defenses. I understand all that, but
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every single week you have to come
to play like you have to be able
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to keep Michael Pennix Junior up,
and they did all season long until this
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game. And I think the power
of the speed, the athleticism of Michigan's
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front was on full display. And
Troy did not blink. He didn't blink
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at once. And he has been
projected as more of a Day two guy.
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This tackle class is really really deep, it's really really good, and
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he's going to test extremely well.
He's a great athlete and when you get
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down in the red zone. I
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I noticed I mentioned this last week
too, that he's a road grader in
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the red zone, Like he's not
one of these offensive linemen that is purely
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a pass protection specialist and kind of
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department and through like in between the
twenties, he's still a good run blocker,
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but when they get into the red
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he gets on people and drive blocks
down the field. I love the vertical
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push that he gets. So when
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game, I'm just like, there's
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never on the kick him inside train. But it's nice to have that positional
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flexibility because he does offer that he's
gonna if you have tackles and you draft
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this guy, you have, well, he can play tackle, but we
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can also kick him inside and have
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love. Right now, you know, Peter Kronsky last year going to the
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Titans like he's got positional flexibility,
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He offers that, and I think
that it could have bumped him up
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into the first round after his performance
in the National Championship. Yeah, I
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don't hate that at all. I
think it's entirely possible that he can give
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in the first round. Like you
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There's one thing that NFL teams can
never have too much of, and
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it's a good offensive lineman. Yes, so if I don't care if the
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guy's got to wait in the wings
for a little bit, if you draft
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whatever, you can never have too
many offensive liignment injuries happen. Like you
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said, positional flexibility, having someone
that can kick inside or be your starting
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left tackle, He's going to be
a really intriguing prospect. I feel for
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I feel for Penix because, Yeah, going into last week's game, I
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was talking about him, I was
hyping him up. I'm thinking he's got
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the tools to potentially be a top
ten draft pick. I know he has
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some weaknesses in his game, throwing
to the middle the field something that he
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kind of struggles with a little bit, but those out routes, his ability
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to drive the ball downfield and pinpoint
placement and with just a rocket of an
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arm. I was hoping that he
would come out and he would show out
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on the biggest stage against this great
Michigan defense and really help his his stock.
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It's similar, I feel like to
last year. We wanted to see
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how CJ. Stroud was gonna perform
going against Georgia. He gave it everything.
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They lost that game. He played
incredible. Penix unfortunately didn't do that.
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I don't know, one game does
not make a prospect, but he
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didn't do himself any favors in this
pre draft process with that National championship,
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throwing two picks, missing on some
throws that he typically hits on. So
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Michael Penix is one that I feel
for see. I think when I was
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watching that again, like this is
this is kind of who Michael Pennix is.
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And that was I know people were
really gassing him up. And I
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love the performance against Texas. It
was fantastic. The big difference between Texas
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defense is Michigan defense is because Michigan
again put an umbrella on the offense and
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they said beat us down the field. Throw against Will Johnson, and he
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gave Roman Nuns a battle that battle. He was great, was amazing,
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but Rome was too, like don't
He caused a couple of holds, a
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couple of pass interference plays, like
Rome's legit prospect of going against the guy
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who's again as sophomore, but he's
going to be a legit corner in the
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NFL. And that was so much
fun to watch. And Michael Pennix again,
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I'll say this, when you get
him off a spot, he has
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a tendency to be erratic with his
throws, and he showed that again.
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The gutsiness to stand inside the pocket, to still try to get through his
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reads and deliver the ball to wherever
he could get it to and taking hits
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is not it. You know,
I loved I love to see it.
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It's not lost on me. It's
takes guts to stand in that pocket and
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get hit over and over and over
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offensive line. So this, well, if you guys listen the last week's
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show, this is kind of how
I felt about Michael Pennix. I didn't
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think he'd be a top ten pick
even with his performance, just because it's
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some of the things that aren't his
faults. He's just not the best athlete
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in the world. And if you
can push him off a spot every now
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and then move him to the right
and get him uncomfortable. He does have
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a tendency to spray it. But
I'm more interested to hear what you think
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about JJ McCarthy, because again,
this is the second game in a row
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where we've had a conversation about the
Michigan quarterback and we're sitting here like,
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what is what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do with this
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guy? I still have no idea. It's the same as entering last week.
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His highs are crazy high, his
lows are crazy low. He's all
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over the place. I mean,
god, it kind of reminds me of
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Carson Wentz in the NFL a little
bit, like sometimes we'll make these beautiful
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athletic plays and throw a frozen rope
over layering it between, you know,
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defenders and just beautiful stuff, and
then sometimes it's like, what are you
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do win? I still don't know, And at this point today we're recording
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on Thursday, January eleventh, he
has not announced if he's declaring for the
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draft or not. I kind of
hope he comes back. I hope that
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he stays in Michigan for one more
year and try to polish that up a
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little bit and help himself, because
as of right now he's He's not a
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first round pick, not not even
close. So, but with another year,
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next year's draft class, the quarterbacks
does not look particularly strong. Quinn
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Ewers might be the quarterback one in
that draft class, or should her Sanders.
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It's not this year. It's not
dealing with the Caleb Williams Drake may
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So if he goes back, he
could see himself a top three pick next
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year if he if he cleans some
stuff up and polishes it and has a
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really great season, I think it
would. I think it would serve him
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well, go back and continue to
work on that. You know, for
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me, one of the big takea
first and foremost, I want to committee
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for bringing up will Johnson, who
sophomore true sophomore balled out. We will
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be talking about his name this time
next year. Absolutely, yeah, there's
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no question about it. Going back
to that game, Donovan Edwards ripping off
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multiple long touchdown runs. It's like, bro, where have you been all
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year? Because this is a prospect
that the traits I love and I've been
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wanting to see more of him.
You know, Blake Korum, he clearly
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is the lead back in that backfield. I like Blake Korum a lot.
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I know he's undersized, but he
makes people miss in about this much space.
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He's incredible. But Donovan Edwards also
looks like a guy that could serve
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a role at the NFL, and
those massive explosive runs maybe helped him out
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a little. I don't disagree at
all. I think he reminds me of
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like Isaiah Pacheco that can catch passes, they can run rounds like that's kind
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of how it feels. He's a
bowl in the China chot, but he's
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very much more of a vertical runner. He will one cut one, put
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his foot in the dirt, get
up field. We saw a little bit
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of the vision again to see that
cutback lane. I know everyone I saw
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the screenshots. Why isn't he running
there? First? Well, that's not
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how run plays. They're designed.
It's designed to go to the left.
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But then you're like, oh,
hey, look a cutback line, and
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I'm not that's what That's what Zoe
running is. That's exactly what it is,
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right that you're blocking it up where
everyone's flowing and you're either picking if
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I'm going to continue or if I
have a cutback lin where I can get
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yourself and he did that time and
time again and got upfield in a hurry.
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He's six one two ten, so
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he's got size for the NFL.
It's legitimately NFL sized. Like going back
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to watch him against Ohio State the
last couple of seasons when Blake Korm got
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hurt. Last year when he came
in, he was a dominant player.
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As a sophomore, he was a
dominant running back. So he dominated that
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football game. And he's gonna put
himself out there. I do think he's
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going to declare because he showed once
again that all it takes is that little
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bit of daylight, the size,
the speed. But again, the past
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catching ability is so valuable and he
you know, played with a club on
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his hand for most of the end
of last year. He had a broken
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hand and he was still out there
trying to catch pass and stuff like that.
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So that's kind of cool to see
that he was able to do that.
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So he definitely helped himself out with
this performance in the National Championship on
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the biggest stage. He and Blake
Korm are going to be very interesting for
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the drafts draft process. We're going
to see Blake korm at the Senior Bowl.
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Can't wait to see that. I'm
excited about these running backs because they're
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gonna help help teams in the NFL. They are, They're very valuable.
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Before we get off the college level, can we just talk about how Michigan
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made Nick Saban retire. I mean, I'm not going to have them take
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credit for it. It just so
happens that he retired after losing to Michigan.
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His very last game as a head
coach will be losing to Michigan in
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overtime. That's gonna taste a little
bit better. Yeah, reminds me of
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Tom Brady's last game in New England. He threw a pick on his last
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pass as a Patriot against the Titans. Reminds me of that. So let's
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tar the page a little bit to
the NFL draft. We now know the
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top five picks are locked in.
We have Chicago at number one, Washington
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Commanders at number two, New England
Patriots at number three, Arizona Cardinals at
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number four, and the Los Angeles
Charges are at number five. We're gonna
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stick kind of in that top five
for range Man. We talked about Nick
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Saban leaving all within twenty four hours. We had Sabin, we had Pete
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Carroll, and we have Bill Belichick
all leave. I mean, you're talking
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two of the greatest coaches of all
time and then Pete Carroll. But Pete
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Carroll has his own resume, He's
done his own great work and stuff like
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that. I just have to throw
a little shade. But he's not in
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the same pantheon and we know that. But you're talking Bill Belichick and Nick
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Saban, two of the greatest football
coaches of all time period, and then
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Pete Carroll, I think might be
the longest tenured head coach in the NFL
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before stepping down something like that.
He was right around the same time I
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think as Mike Tomlins, so he's
been around in Seattle for a long time.
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New England having that third overall pick, we know Bill Belichick was the
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one in charge of all the football
decisions. There's no more Bill, so
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we know they're going to be quick
in looking to fill their GM vacancy.
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What do you think this means for
Patriots? Is it just we've acknowledged that
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we're we're no longer that era of
Patriots dynasty and as a fresh start,
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clean slate, we're setting a new
new direction forward. I think it has
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to be. Especially this is going
to be a very interesting topic of conversation,
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especially if the Chicago Bears keep just
in fields. Because if the New
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England Patriots go out they hire a
young, offensive minded offensive coordinator. We
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assume Drod Mayo is going to be
the head coach at this point, like
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that's an assumption that we're kind of
making right now. But if it's him,
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or if it's Mike Frable, both
of those guys are not offensive guys
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that will handle the selecting of the
quarterback. They're going to look to bring
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in probably a young, offensive minded
OC that has maybe some experience play calling,
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because that's going to be a huge
part for either Drod Mayo or a
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Mike Rabel led team. They're not
going to be in their complace, so
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someone's gonna have to have some play
calling experience. That's gonna be where I'm
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interested because they might try to jump
Washington to go get a quarterback. And
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I do think that what we're going
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be a very, i would say
drastically different team than what we're used to
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seeing. They're still going to try
to hold down the fort On the defensive
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side, they have Christian Gonzales from
the last last year's draft pick, which
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again I can't believe he fell to
them. As far as he did,
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he was legitimately on pace to win. Nice and nice little heart, I
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believe it. That was hard.
Yeah, that's that's amazing. That'srible.
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I could not expect that. I
was doing the Oregon for Christian Goanzalees and
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I thought I was doing a heart. That's that's so cute. Look at
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that. Oh, that's amazing.
But I couldn't believe I can either.
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And I mean, we're going to
see what that that looks like on defense.
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But I expect a new OC obviously
a new GM, new head coach,
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and they can get very interesting if
they want to trade up to get
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Caleb Williams and try to re configure
the outlook of what the what we know
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the New England Patriots to be.
They could do a shift and not be
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a defensive oriented team and try to
go the opposite direction and win with offense.
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Yeah, which we haven't seen it
a long time. I mean,
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even in the Tom Brady era,
it was it was defense first. It
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was Bill Belichick's defense, and then
you just had a human computer running the
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offense in Tom Brady. So it's
it's cleaned out. Belichick's gone, Brady's
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gone, Patriots fans of old,
it's a new era. And you know
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what, you had a great twenty
years. So I don't want to hear
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anything from you guys for a long
time. But now, yeah, we're
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looking at New England sitting there third
overall pick. We're pretty much set in
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stone at this point that we're gonna
have quarterbacks go one two? Are they
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gonna miss Like, are they gonna
miss out on both Caleb Williams and Drake
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May and sit there at at three
and run it back again with the quarterback
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room that they have, or how
aggressive is a new GM gonna be and
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say we're gonna put all our chips
in here, we're gonna restart the franchise
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and we only got to move up
two picks to get Caleb Williams, or
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hell, maybe they just try to
swap with Washington, if Washington's content with
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Sam Howell, if they think they
can get a haul to move down.
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I don't know, it's gonna be
fascinating. I'm so curious but it definitely
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seems like there's gonna be some sort
of shuffling going on to the top.
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If not, I'd be surprised.
I mean, we're gonna be talking about
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this all offseason and watch Chicago's gonna
trade justin fields. They're gonna take Caleb
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Williams first overall, Washington's gonna stay
at number two, They're gonna take Drake
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Mack and then behind that you have
New England. How are they gonna value
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the other quarterbacks in this draft classes
Jayden Daniels worthy of the third overall pick,
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or are they gonna go another route
and go offensive line, or they're
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gonna go Marvin Harrison Junior and be
like we'll figure out quarterback later. It's
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gonna be really interesting to see how
that shakes out. This whole process is
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gonna be a lot of fun,
and especially with all these teams looking for
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new head coaches, new offensive coordinators, and again with the new regime coming
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into New England, all of the
pressure is going to be on them to
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make something happen because of what Bill
Belichick left behind. Like, there's gonna
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be a whole lot of pressure on
the incoming GM head coach offensive coordinator to
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say we have to rewrite this ship
so you could see them try to just
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sell the farm and go get Drake
may or Kleab Williams and just say,
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look, we have to do something
drastic to be able to write what we've
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seen on the offensive side of the
ball here. So I can't wait to
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see what happens. It's gonna be
so much fun these next few months.
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And just I just love the draft
season. I love all this stuff,
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free agency, this entire season is
fantastic, and I'm so happy we get
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to share our thoughts with you guys. Yeah, thanks for listening to our
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ramblings. Man. Yeah, that
Patriots situation, they're gonna walk in whoever
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the new head coach offensive coordinator GM
is going to be. I don't think
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there've ever been bigger shoes to fill
in the history of the NFL than the
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dynasty that the Patriots have had over
the last twenty plus years, other than
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the last four years, but we
will talk about that. Speaking of the
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draft, Matt Eberflus is staying in
Chicago as the head coach, but Luke
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Getsy's gone, so new offensive system. So your plan is either we're putting
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the third offensive system in four years
with Justin Fields, or you're giving Luke
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Getsy to potentially Marvin or potentially Kayleb
Williams. This is I don't agree with
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the decision myself. Obviously it can
work. I'm not saying it's not going
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to work. I don't necessarily think
that this decision to keep Matt Eberfluz makes
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a ton of sense. That's just
throw it out there. Say they trade
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Justin Fields away and they draft Kayla
Williams number one overall and they don't make
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the playoffs. I know what's going
to happen. Matti Eubracluz is gonna get
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fired, his staff behind him,
the new offensive coordinator that just came in,
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They're all getting fired. So guess
that's what you start back to square
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one with Kayleb Williams, who's now
learning a second offense in the span of
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two years. Let's go back to
a few years ago, like when they
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when this was a whole all happening
with Matt Naggie and Justin Fields. This
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whole situation has happened before, and
it happened before too with mich This whole
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situation has happened three times, or
if this is how it goes, it
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will be the third time it's happened
in seven years in Chicago. So looking
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at that, it makes me feel
once again more optimistic that they will stick
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with Justin Fields. But this is
a huge It's not a decision to be
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made lightly for this organization at all. So you know, they've got a
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ton of information to go through.
That's why they're saying. Ryan pouls Is
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like, dude, we have a
ton of information to collect. We have
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tons of it because they can't just
say, yeah, we're gonna go with
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stick with Justin Fields when this is
a really good quarterback class and they want
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to be able to get right.
The offensive coordinator is going to be interesting.
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And with all these guys that have
play calling experience. There are eight
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head coaching vacancies in the NFL right
now, eight of them. How many
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of those head coaching jobs do you
think are going to want an offensive coordinator
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to be their head coach that have
had play calling experience? A lot?
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That's another thing. A lot of
them will because that's what New England and
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maybe Tennessee. Yeah, maybe that's
a ton of people and they're Matt Eberflus
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needs to get an offensive coordinator in
that can handle his own offense and call
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plays because he can't call play.
So I'm I'm, like I said,
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not not what I would have done
myself. It can work. I'm not
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saying it won't work. I have
little faith that this plan here to stick
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with Matt Ebrafous will work. My
biggest concern with this, As we've said
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several times, this quarterback draft class
is one of the best quarterback draft classes
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that has come out at the top
of the class, the best quarterback classes
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that has come out in decades.
I mean, Drake may would be the
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number one overall pick in almost any
other draft except for this one. Because
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you have Caleb Williams, who is
getting talk of being the best quarterback prospect
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since Andrew Luck or before that.
I mean, there's people all over comparing
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them to like, Yes, I
would take him as a prospect over Trevor
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Lawrence. Yes, I would take
him as a prospect over the number one
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pick for the last seven, eight
years, whatever it's been. If they
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decide that they're going to stick with
Justin Fields with a new offensive coordinator and
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run it back with Matt Eberflus and
it bombs and all three of them are
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gone. And then you're in next
year's draft class looking at Quinn yours as
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potentially being the best option available to
you. You have to be so sure
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on Justin Fields to pass on him
this year, looking ahead to what's coming,
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you have to be so convinced you
have the first overall pick in back
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to back years. Yeah, and
last year it could have been Bryce Young
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where it could have been CJ.
Stroud. CJ. Stroud is looking like
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a superstar if one of the two
quarterbacks were both of the quarterbacks taken early
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in the twenty twenty four draft turn
into superstars and Justin Field's missus. Oh
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man, that is a rough road
to haul for Chicago. Yeah, you
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don't want to deal with that.
No, And that's why, again,
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why everyone's saying Justin you know,
saying Ryan Pole is saying that their collecting
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information means they're moving on from Justin
Fields. No, that's not it at
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all. They need to do their
due jill, due diligence with this pick,
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with this situation, they gotta nail
the offensive coordinator that's number one before
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we make the decision whether you're gonna
take a stick with Justin fields or not.
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You need an offensive coordinator. That
has to happen now, So you
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need to involve him in the process
too, because that offensive coordator is going
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to have a ton of input on
whether you want justin fields or you want
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to move on to Kayleb Williams.
So all this has to be handled first,
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and it cannot happen quickly. So
I know we spent a lot of
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time talking about in Chicago last week. We're doing it right now because this
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situation with Washington behind them, New
England behind them, there is a ton
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that goes into this specific year.
Like you said with Kayleb Williams, Drake
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May and then again jayde and Daniels
is not out of this conversation. Teams
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are going to talk themselves into him
because of the athletic ability that he has
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and the way that he can just
make kind of like Justin fields in the
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sense that he can turn any run
into a touchdown. I still think that
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Justin fields athletic ability is better than
Jade Daniels, but just there's a ton
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to be talked about here. So
I mean, this situation is gonna be
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a ton of fun to go through
again. And we said it already,
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this draft might be one of the
most fun drafts we have with trades that
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we've had in a very long time. And I'm looking forward to it.
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Yeah. I just I really hope
that there's a chaos grenade. I hope
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someone outside yes the top five to
seven picks is like, we're gonna give
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you the farm to come up for
Caleb Williams and we just have total chaos.
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You can never predict exactly how it's
gonna go, and that's why we
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love this. It's amazing. So
moving on my new favorite segment that we
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did last week as well, stunks
Up talking about player, stunks Up a
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player whose draft stock is rising.
This week, we're going to talk about
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a Washington wide receiver, but not
Ramadunze. Who are we talking about?
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Man? This is the guy on
the opposite side, Number two, Jalen
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Polk listed at six to two hundred
and four pounds. He has declared for
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the NFL Draft and if you guys
watched him against Texas, you're like,
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oh, this guy caught five passes
for over one hundred yards and two touchdowns
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and that one that deflected over his
head. That shows you just a little
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bit of the ball tracking, because
that's not it's a little bit of luck
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to get out right in front of
him, but you have to be able
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to follow it, you know,
when it goes over your head. And
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that's again kind of like we talked
about with Thomas last week. The ball
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tracking, the sideline awareness, the
being and the ball skills are all there.
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He's got probably some of the strongest
hands in this draft class in jail
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the Poll. I believe that along
with his teammate rom Madouonze, who are
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just these guys in traffic. That's
why Michael Pettix is just like chucking it
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up to him. I got single
coverage. Okay, you go get it.
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I'm not that worried about it.
I'll give you a chance at it.
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And the difference for me is that
when I i'm you know, guys,
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don't If you look behind me,
you can see some chief stuff back
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here. I'm a Chiefs fan,
and when I'm watching Rashid Rice in this
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iteration of Kansas City's offense where they
were getting him the ball in space and
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doing stuff like that, I see
a bit of that in Jalen Pol.
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I think his speed is underrated.
I think he's gonna surprise people with his
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forty times at the combine. I
also think that his spatial awareness is much
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better. Like he's he's a good
zone reader. You see it a couple
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of times where he's stopping in his
own and he sees that the ball's not
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coming out, he sees a linebacker
coming to him, He'll just get into
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that space behind him. He's very
good at clearing linebackers and getting in the
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second level and stopping in spaces.
And that's something that separates him from a
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guy like Brian Thomas in my eyes, that he's able to identify those spots
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and zone I do think that his
route run and he needs some work,
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specifically at the top of his route, so just kind of like it's really
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rough around the edges, he'll round
him off or he'll just like chop down
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a little bit too much. But
what do you think about Jalen Polk?
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Are you Are you buying the buzz
that we're seeing right now and maybe maybe
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even climbing into the back of the
first round. I like all the things
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that you were saying about him.
I agree with all of that. His
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hands are so strong, and he
is so physical at the catch point.
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It's he attacks the ball, he's
he hand catches everything. He does it
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exactly I was supposed to be done. You mentioned his ball tracking. He's
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incredible with that, his sideline awareness, great, body control great. I
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like him a lot. Now he's
not getting that same buzz. We were
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talking about Brian Thomas last week where
some people were putting him at like fifteenth
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overall, which yeah, no.
But Jalen Polk as a wide receiver in
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that kind of next tier down maybe
like the third tier of wide receivers in
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this draft class, I like a
lot. We didn't talk about actually that
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Amikagbuka is returning to Ohio State,
so we lost a wide receiver out of
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that kind of Tierguka would have been
probably Iguka would have been higher than Jalen
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Polk, but we lost someone there. So the board is going to kind
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of shift a little bit to phill. I don't think he's going to push
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for late first draft capital, but
I think that he's really solidly implanted in
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Day two, if not Round two, to get drafted. He's a great
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deep threat. He's not he's not
a burner. He's not elite speed,
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but he does have good speed,
and like you said, his zone awareness
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is great and his ability to track
the ball with great hands. I think
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it's a great complimentary piece in an
offense. He's not an alp that's gonna
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go out there and be the one, but he's very quarterback friendly in the
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way that he positions himself, the
way that he catches like everything thrown at
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him, and the way that he
fights for contested catches strong at the catch
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point, and reads the defenses.
So Jalen Polk is a wide receiver that
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I think is going to fill a
very good role. Teams in need of
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a of a good number two cover
one. A lot of you people are
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Bills fans. Jalen Polk could be
an option there if they don't go round
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one wide receiver. Jalen Polk I
could see as being a valuable asset for
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Buffalo in his ability to stretch the
defenses, win with some speed, win
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on the boundaries, get downfield a
little bit so, especially because I'm thinking
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Gave Davis is probably gone this offseason. So yeah, Jalen Polk, I
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like him. He's gonna be very
interesting. Let's go to Senior Bowl man,
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we havet's like two and a half
weeks and weeks that's it, man,
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I'm getting I'm hyped. I got
so much film to go back and
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rewatch, and rewatch, and rewatch
and sort out on all these guys.
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And there's so many names this year. There's just so many guys, and
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I really love that they opened up
access to under Klassman to be able to
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participate in this. Who are some
names that have caught your eye that you're
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really excited to go see in person
and see how they stack up against very
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good defenders. There's gonna be some
really good dbs in particularly so on the
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offensive side, defense, all of
it, the whole mess to be excited
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about. I'm excited. You guys
heard me talk about Troi Fono. He's
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gonna be at the Senior Bowl.
I can't wait to watch him again against
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better competition, continuing what he did
at the National Championship. And then I
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got two guys. Lad mcconchney is
one of my favorite, maybe fourth tier
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wide receivers. This guy's always open. He's consistently finding different ways to generate
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separation, whether it's speed dilation in
the five yards, this the route stem
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is being able to identify leverage with
this cornerback. He has all of that.
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I also think he's an underrated speed
guy. I think he can actually
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play on the outside and in the
inside at the next level because of the
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way he reads leverage in the defender. So he's somebody that I want to
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see in one on ones because I
think he's gonna dust up just about everybud
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and that he plays up against,
and that's gonna be a lot of fun.
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And then my dark horse quarterback in
this draft class, Spencer Rattler.
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I think that his offensive line that
South Carolina did him absolutely zero favors,
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and he's gonna be able to throw
to his guy Xavier, like get who
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I also can't wait to see.
But Spencer, We're so excited to get
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down there and to see that.
That's exactly what this is. Every time
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I'm like, oh, oh,
I can't wait to see that guy.
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Oh can't wait to see him.
That's exactly what this is. We be
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sitting in the bleachers next to each
other just like, holy shit, did
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you see that right exactly, just
shaking him. Look at it, Look
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look over here, look over there. Euse Routler's got it all guys,
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He's got all the tools. Now
the big question for me with Spencer Ratler
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is can he be point and shoot? Can you, as a coach direct
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him to not make some of the
really critical dumb errors that he makes in
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his processing And a lot of it
does go through his offensive line where it
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makes him speed up his process.
So going to the next level is going
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to be important. I think that
him for him to get a little bit
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of time behind a starter with a
decent offensive line. But I'm telling you
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right now, arm strength, downfield, accuracy in the pocket, mobility which
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is really underrated for him, I
think that it gets he It takes a
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lot of sacks people like, well, this guy can't move in the pocket.
532
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No, it's because he's busy trying
to get the ball down to the
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get the ball out, and his
offensive linemen are letting guys just fall into
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his lap all the time. So
Spencer Ratler is a guy that I really
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think can actually be a legitimate quarterback
in the next level. He just needs
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a little bit of kind of point
and direction. So I'm excited to see
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these guys. I know that you
are a big Oregon fan, so let's
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talk a little bit about some of
the guys you are excited to see at
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the Senior Bowl. We'll start under
center. Mister bow Nicks is gonna be
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huh and bo Nicks returning back to
the South where he did not exactly get
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his college career off to a great
start, but what he did since transferring
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to Oregon he completely flipped the script. He was phenomenal for the Ducks for
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two straight years. He's gritty,
he's got arm strength, he has underrated
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mobility, he can run it like
he is an athlete, and he is
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a competitor. And bo Nix,
to me, is a guy that he
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should be above Spencer Rattler in terms
of most people's draft boards. But I
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think that bow Knicks, I don't
know if I'm going to say that I'm
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ready to I don't know if I'm
ready to call him a starter at the
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next level, But I think that
he has a lot of the traits where
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he could be a really high end
backup. And if he works his way
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into a situation where he gets an
opportunity, I could see him taking it
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over. I absolutely could. He's
quick, he's decisive, he has very
553
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he has very strong arm talent you
never know. I mean these guys that
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are just smart about the game and
see things the right way. He minimizes
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turnover so much once he got to
Oregon. Those are the kind of guys
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that that you like, that you
like in the NFL. You like the
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guys that are going to compete and
that are gonna work hard and that can
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read things correctly and not make the
stupid choice. And he very rarely made
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the stupid choice over the last two
years in college. So I'm excited to
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see him. And you know what, it is not on our little show
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sheet here, but Jackson Powers Johnson, his center baby JPJ is gonna be
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there and I cannot wait to see
Jackson Johnson. He's gonna put it and
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everyone's gonna go. Everyone in the
stand is gonna stand OUTA That's exactly what's
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gonna happen. Yeah, he is
such a powerhouse and so good in both
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run and pass pro He allowed hold
on I have it here. He did
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not allow a single sack in his
college career and only allowed two quarterback hits
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in his entire college career. He's
rock solid. He's a day one starter
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in my opinion at center at the
next level. He's phenomenal. I love
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him so much and I can't wait. Like you said, road Grader,
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he finishes players. He just h
he's gonna pancake someone. He's gonna put
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someone into the dirt, and I
can't wait to see who that's gonna be.
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I will also add here that I
cannot wait to see Latsu Latsu,
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who's been battling injuries at UCLA and
now he's healthy, and if he was
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healthy his entire college career, he's
like a top ten draft pick level at
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rusher in my opinion, top ten
to fifteen. The guy can play,
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He's got a motor, and I
think that this was so smart for him
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to go to the Senior Bowl against
very good offensive lignement and show what he
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can do. Lotsu Latsu is or
it's Layatsu lat too. There's an extra
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syllable in there. He is someone
that just screams nfl at rusher. To
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me, I would not be surprised
if he was on the forty nine ers
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board. He seems like the typica
they would love to take. I mean,
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he he just he has the athleticism, he has the smarts. He
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diagnosed his place and he gets to
the ball carrier in a hurry. When
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he closes on someone, it's over
pretty quick. So he's someone that I
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can't wait to see down there.
There's just so many names, though we
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can't get to all of them right
now, but there's gonna be a lot.
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I think we're gonna start doing a
little bit of positional work here too,
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and talk about like top running backs, top wide receivers, top corners,
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like we'll probably get through that in
some future shows. What was really
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interesting to me is after the National
Championship he had a whole slew of Michigan
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players except that advice to the Senior
Bowl. Now, I know that you're
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pumped about that. Who are you
except to see? Man, this is
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gonna be so much fun again,
you guys. I was at the Sennier
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Bowl for my first year last year. I brought my daughter with me,
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so I was trying to manage that
and get my eyes on as many guys
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as I could. There were.
Jayden Reid was the guy that I really
597
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.800
focused on like the majority of my
time at the Super Bowl last year,
598
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and I was like, this guy's
going to be a star, and he's
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pretty much a star. I think
he might be the best wide receiver in
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Green Bay and the one guy this
year out of these players from Michigan's coming
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out. I'm looking at Mike Sanderstill
and what he was able to do this
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season. He's played two years of
nickel corner, played two of it.
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He was a wide receiver first made
the transition of the last two years to
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nickel corner, and he, in
my opinion, is not just one of
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the best cornerbacks in this draft.
I think he's the best nickel corner that
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there is. He uses his understanding
of how to play the wide receiver position
607
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in his nickel corner coverages. He
reads leverage, what the wide receiver is
608
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.199
trying to do, how he's gonna
set him up. He's think of it
609
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.519
the exact same way, so he's
really anticipatory. He can get in that
610
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.719
hip pocket and stay with these shifty
or these faster guys. And what he's
611
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.440
going to come up against again at
the Senior Bowl. Are these wide receivers
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that are fast, explosive, can
change direction really well. I want to
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00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.079
see him in one on ones.
I want to see how he handles a
614
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lot of this, because again he
was playing against Jalen McMillan in pretty much
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for the majority of his time at
the in the National Championship game when he
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was in the slot, so we
faced you see a little bit of it
617
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with Jaylen Polk when they moved him
in the slot. Same with him and
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said they moved these guys around a
lot, but the number one matchup,
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But people really like Jayalen McMillan.
I think he's gonna end up going back
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to Washington personally, and Mike Sanders
still had a fantastic It's just a fantastic
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National Championship game. With that interception
he nearly took back for a touchdown.
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It would have been so great to
kind of cap it off that way.
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So out of the list of players
that we've got, I think I'm most
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excited to see how he handles himself
again, only playing nickel corner for two
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years and he's coming out to the
Senior Bowl. So he's some that I
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think has improved his draft stock a
ton, and he's got another opportunity to
627
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continue to climb up boards. He's
a great He's a great choice for someone
628
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.719
to watch. It's gonna be super
interesting to see him in those one of
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the ones. Like you were talking
about all these fast wide receivers that are
630
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going to be at the Senior Bowl. How he stacks up against them,
631
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.480
the elite route runners. Listen for
anyone that is going to tune into Senior
632
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.719
ble practices and watch stuff and find
clips online and all that stuff. With
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the one on ones, there is
such a heavy advantage to the wide receiver.
634
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:34.800
Yes, in those they're designed to
basically allow the wide receivers to showcase
635
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:38.599
what they can do. Like that's
basically what those go toys. No one
636
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:45.480
holds it against the corners. If
a wide receiver is out there taking five
637
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.880
seconds for a release package and then
dust, which you don't have time to
638
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.880
do in a game. But they
go out there and they show off all
639
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.400
the footwork that they can muster and
put that stuff on tape. How he
640
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does against that's going to be great. Speaking of wide receivers, Michigan,
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I even Roman Wilson is gonna be
one of the names that's there. He's
642
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.559
very interesting to me because he reminds
me a little bit of a Jayden Reid
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in the way that not not style
of play, but situation. He didn't
644
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.880
have the production of even touchdowns.
He had twelve touchdowns this year, which
645
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.079
is great. Yeah, but he
had forty eight receptions for seven hundred and
646
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:23.400
eighty nine yards respectful, but not
like a dominant output. This system that
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he played in didn't allow him to
do that. He was in a one
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00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.199
first offense. We talked about it
last week how basically the second half of
649
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:35.440
the year it seems like they didn't
ask McCarthy to do much. So that
650
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.599
doesn't help Roman Wilson. But somehow
he still got twelve touchdowns. I don't
651
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:44.440
know how he managed to rack up
that many of them, but he's very
652
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.800
interesting to me. He's listed at
six foot one ninety two. I don't
653
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:52.760
think he's six foot one ninety two. I'm curious to see his senior ble
654
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.000
way in because to me, he
definitely looks like he's under six foot.
655
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On the field, he definitely looks
like he's under one hundred and ninety pounds.
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But in today's NFL that doesn't really
matter all that much. So you,
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being the Michigan fan, what are
your thoughts on a Roman Wilson at
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what we're going to see in mobile. I'm more interested to see how he
659
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:12.119
gets in and out of his breaks. Like That's something that I'm still trying
660
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.039
to figure out about Roman is that
he's he's got good speed. He's a
661
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.000
good extender, which means, you
know, I'm talking about his ability to
662
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.280
catch the ball away from his body. He has a very good catch radius
663
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.519
for a guy who's a little bit
smaller, but he's got he knows how
664
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.000
to use his arm as well.
Go back and watch his catch against Alabama
665
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:29.760
at a ball that was tipped at
the line of scrimmage and just went like
666
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:34.360
above where JJ McCarthy get intended it
to and hekes full extension and then he
667
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.480
makes a guy miss right after the
catch. That's kind of the stuff that
668
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:43.519
I'm looking at. But how can
you use your post catch brain, your
669
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.599
post catch athleticism earlier in your route
structure, like in the stem in how
670
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.360
he's setting up cornerbacks and dbs using
that leverage to understand. I want to
671
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.239
see that, And that's kind of
what like you were talking about. With
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these one on ones, we're gonna
get an opportunity to see the thought process.
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00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.079
You're gonna if he's taking a little
bit too long on all of his
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00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.440
setup, it's gonna tell me he's
not really entirely sure on how he wants
675
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.559
to go about this. You pick
a route, pick a stem, and
676
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.400
figure it out. Go quickly,
that's what you want to do. That
677
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.719
shows me that you're streamlined in the
process, You're making it faster. It's
678
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:16.360
not just this entire Oh, I
have to do this, I have to
679
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.320
do that. I have to be
able to get in and out of the
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00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.800
break here, maybe do three different
moves. I don't want to see any
681
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of that. I want to see
you decide. I want to see you
682
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.159
set up, and I want to
see you execute. And when these guys
683
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are going quickly, Like again you
talk about Jayden Reid, this was quick.
684
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He was like, I'm just gonna
do this and I'm gonna break out
685
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:35.000
and I'm gonna win. And I
want to see that from Roman Wilson.
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So his ability to showcase what he
can do in the stem and the first
687
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you know, those first two or
three yards to create separation is going to
688
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.679
be a huge part of what I'm
looking for from him in those one on
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ones. In this whole week.
There's a slew of wide receivers that are
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00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.719
going to be going into the end
draft, and that'll be just down a
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00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:54.920
mobile. The water zero recorded mobile
is going to be insane to watch.
692
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:01.079
With some great names. Things that
separate guys that are late round picks to
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00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:07.079
mid round picks to better than that
are the little details. It's their ability
694
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.039
to get in and out of their
breaks. It's the ability to leverage.
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00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.199
It's all the things that you were
just mentioning being an athlete and having good
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00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:19.480
hands. I can find five thousand
guys that fit that mold across the country.
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But do you have the understanding of
the game and the footwork and the
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00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:30.400
agility to be able to get in
and out of your breaks succinctly and to
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00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.960
get yourself into an open position for
your quarterback because in the NFL you're open
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for not very long, so you
have to be able to create it and
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the ball be there and that's the
end. You've got a small little window
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where the play can be executed and
that you can actually win on it unless
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you're one of these hyper elite guys. So I agree with that. How
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he does in that his ability to
get in and out of his breaks,
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his ability to set up defenders.
I think scouts are going to be paying
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a lot of attention to that.
And I'm going to walk around and I'm
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just gonna be like, hey,
what'd you think of Roman Wilson. I'm
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just gonna be asking about everyone that
I can see. It's gonna be great.
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I can't wait. I can't just
talk to people. It's gonna be
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awesome see what everyone's talking about.
We'll see if I can harass any of
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the NFL network guys and see if
they'll give you. That'd be a lot
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of fun. Well, I think
that's pretty much what we have for now.
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I think next week we'll really flip
into more of an in depth Senior
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Bowl preview and really start looking into
it and breaking down some more stuff.
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Now that, like I said,
National championship's done, that's all. That's
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all behind us. It's one hundred
percent forward to the Draft. So thank
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you guys for listening. This is
cover one Draft Weekly, John Helmcamp,
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Buddy, Daniel Harms. We'll see
you next week.