Mark Borax and The Ruby Heart of the Dragon

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What happens in the sky affects life
down here on Earth. The Celestial Compass
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shows you how and guides your way
with astrology you can use from professional astrologer
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Kathy Beale. Every episode features her
lighthearted, practical forecasts and navigational tips,
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blended with humor, optimism, and
a love of patterns, symbolism, and
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pop culture references. Kathy translates technicalities
into concepts that apply to real life.
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You'll learn how the current moment ties
to where we've been, from the recent
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past, to cycles at last happened
years ago, and get a look at
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where we're heading and much more.
From special topics to special guests, The
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Celestial Compass enlightening, entertaining, and
empowering. Here's your host, Kathy Beale.
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Greetings Earthlings, this is Cathy Beale
of Empowerment Unlimited dot net, welcoming
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you to another spin of the Celestial
Compass. Just a reminder that I have
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forecasts freely available for the month,
for the full moon, which is today
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as we are talking live, and
for every new moon at hometimes dot com
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and also at my site Empowerment Unlimited
dot net. We can also get quickie
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podcasts for every week, So just
a brief bringing you up to speed for
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what is going on right now in
the sky. The three big things to
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keep in mind, well maybe four
for the month of July are that we
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have a really heavy Leo influence all
month long, several bodies moving in and
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out of the sime at always something
in it. And this is very strong.
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Strut your stuff, rest your real
self, have fun with things.
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It's very gregarious energy, and it's
definitely nobody puts baby in the corner energy.
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One tweak that's going to come with
that next week, Mars, the
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ruler of our drive, is going
to go out of Leo and move into
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Virgo, which will bring kind of
an underlying fix it vibe, make things
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better, vibe to a lot of
what we do, and I would encourage
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you to direct some of that to
your own well being and how you actually
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look and feel about yourself. Venus
and Leo will like that. Venus will
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go retrograde. There's already a lot
of noise about this online. Venus is
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retrograde from July twenty second until September
third, and as with any planetary retrograde,
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this is an excellent time to go
back over and revisit matters that are
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associated with her, which would be
relationships, things you value, your own
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creativity. Since she's in Leo's self
expression validation issues like that, people from
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the past are very likely to show
up. But do not consider any past
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partner or potential partner who pops up
during this retrograde as a signal from the
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universe that you must let this person
into your life, because things tend to
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not have the value that they present
during a venus retrograde. Instead, I
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encourage you to look at this stretch
of time as a protracted, self paced
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soul retrieval where you will run into
something that used to be important to you
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or used to express something in your
life, and you can compare it to
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where you are now. And maybe
you'll pull something out and say I want
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this back in, and maybe you'll
say, oh my god, I'm glad
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that is gone. One final thing
to note. On the seventeenth, the
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nodes of the moon shift from the
signs where they've been for past year and
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a half or so, from Taurus
and Scorpio into aries in Libra, highlighting
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a an emphasis on relationships or where
you are like me and you or I
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and we how you fit into how
your identity fits into the equation with another
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person in your life, and possibly
revisiting some of the relationship ground rules in
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your life. And again, you
can read a lot more about this in
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the forecasts at Home Times and at
my site, Empowerment Unlimited dot net.
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And now enough about me. I
am very excited that astrologer Mark Borax has
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come back. Mark was here at
the end of last year. He is
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the creator of Soul Level Astrology,
and he's a New York Times best selling
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author, and now he's going to
tell us about his radical revision of the
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twelve zodiac signs in his latest book, The Ruby Heart of the Dragon.
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Welcome Mark, Thanks Cas, it's
great to be back. I'm very glad
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you're here. So um, how's
life treating you these days? I'm really
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on the reaping side for the first
time maybe my whole life. I've been
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doing a lot of sewing for for
many, many years, and especially this
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most recent book I wrote seven days
a week for four years and three months
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and then just finally have released it. And you know, it was like
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a long pregnancy that I just finally
gave birth. That's a that metaphor definitely
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fits. And it's also completely in
keeping your skills as a communicator and a
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poet. You're also a songwriter,
correct and a poet. Yeah, so
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that that fits perfectly. As a
starting point for our conversation, I would
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like to I ask you to explain
to people who aren't really fully aware your
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method of astrology, soul level astrology. Sure, Soul level astrology is something
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I created in nineteen eighty seven when
I first became a practicing professional astrologer in
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the San Francisco Bay area, and
I wanted a way to distinguish my practice
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because there were a lot of other
astrologers around San Francisco, and and I
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was inspired by the recent PBS interview
of Bill Moyer with Joseph Campbell The Power
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of Myth, where Campbell, near
the end of his life, put out
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a worldwide call for for a new
stories. He said, the old stories
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are obsolete and they're killing everything.
We need new stories. And I thought,
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well, that's what astrologers do,
really, we give people new stories.
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And if I'm going to do that
for a living, there's going to
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have to be stories from the soul. And one of the main differences between
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soul level astrology and many other kinds. Is that I don't think I am
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the expert who knows who you are
and who you should be and what you
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should do. I feel I'm the
guide to take you down into the parts
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of yourself that already knows that.
So your astrology isn't Some people are do
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a lot of forecasting like I do, but yours is highly personal, focused
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on the individual. Would that be
an accurate statement. Yeah, it just
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has a the accent. Isn't on
the predictive side of astrology. I'm pretty
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light on the predictive side, but
I'm pretty heavy on the counseling side of
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exposing your core nature, underneath all
the layers, the karma, the past
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lives, all the personalities and the
masks, getting down to the core,
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getting down to the soul. This
is something that you have, It's been
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in your writing before crossing the bridge
to the future. Would that be Didn't
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that also fit in this category?
Yeah? Absolutely, But that wasn't an
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astrology book. So the difference is
that my first book was a memoir about
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my apprenticeship with a wild wizard in
the Santa Cruz Mountains, and so I
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talked in there about a whole new
astrology that we gave birth to in the
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Mystery School under the Redwood Trees.
But now the new book is the first
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astrology book I'm writing where I actually
tear down the twelve signs of the zodiac
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and build them back up again.
So that is why you call it a
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radical revision of the zodiac signs.
That's right, that's right. I pushed
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myself to clear away all the cliches
and my own and other people's and everything
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I thought I knew about the signs, and just take each one all over
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again, almost as if I'd never
entered them before, and really excavate and
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get down in and under, as
if each sign is a country, like
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this fascinating and dangerous country. So
I wrote it more like a travelog than
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an academic exercise, and that comes
across. And there are big streaks of
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autobiography in it as illustrations. Also, that's right. I dipped into my
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own personal adventures in some chapters more
than others in order to flesh it out,
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because I'm so I'm not so much
a big theoretical astrologer as I am
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a practical art sistic, intuitive one. So I'm really I'm really trying to
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write in a way that conjures the
actual living experience of the sign. Like
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really good poetry or literature doesn't only
describe the ideas, they actually conjure the
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ideas. And that's why the book
was so challenging and took so long to
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write. And I will say it
succeeds in completely blowing out the stereotypes that
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tend to dub each of these signs
very successfully. Especially I have this one
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Taurus friend who's really really sensitive to
how it gets stereotyped. And I think
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she used to read this book because
she would be so happy that you don't
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talk about Taurus eating everything in sight, which is how she when I told
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her there's a there's a navigation app
called Ways that will have a voice talk
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to you in your sign. And
it's kind of amusing. I told her
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this, and she said, it's
just going to say Taurus will eat all
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the cars on the road. I
mean, no, we'll not say that.
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It does not say that, but
you that you take it into like
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a really heart centered and compassionate and
understanding vision. And I'm guessing this is
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based on your exploring of how these
different archetypes work in your own life,
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but also what you have observed with
your client base for decades. It's my
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own life my client base, and
maybe even more. I've had such a
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broad and diverse love life that at
one time or other I've been in love
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with just about every sign of the
zodiac and spent some months or years with
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them. And so I was really
just rocking a lot by going backwards into
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what it was like to be in
love with each of the signs and the
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things that I learned about that,
and one of them, one of the
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things I put on myself was I
wanted to write in such a way that
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if someone from any of the twelve
signs were on the verge of committing suicide,
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that after they read their chapter,
maybe they wouldn't. That's quite a
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mission. Yeah, yeah, you
know that. Not to say it's all
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serious, because it's really funny,
and you know, I go into a
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lot of places with it, but
I I had to rock the signs from
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the inside out, from from from
the heart and the soul, also pointing
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out their shadow, their calm up, but um, but what makes them
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unique. And it really pushed me
as a writer and an astrologer beyond anything
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i'd done in those arts previously.
It's a unique work. Um. You
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you focus on three points in the
chart that our past, present, and
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future. So you combine the sun
and the nodes, which are the dragon
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tail and the dragon head, or
the south node in the north node.
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That's right, that's right, because
because I remembered something my teacher once told
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me many years ago, which was
that if he only knew three things about
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someone, he could still do a
full, profound reading for them and it
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would just be their sun sign and
their degree of their son even more,
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and the north and south nodes of
the moon. And that just stuck in
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the back of my head for years, and I noticed that I'd inadvertently been
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interpreting a lot of birth charts that
way without necessarily reducing it to that,
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because I still had the full chart
in front of me. But when it
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came time to write a book about
the sun signs, which I kept putting
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off for decades, say, I
just didn't feel like I've gone deep enough
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into them before. But when it
came time to finally start writing the book,
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it popped up that if I can
describe to someone the sign they're leaving
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behind and the one they're getting toward, then their sun sign would be in
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the middle, because in between the
dragon's tail and the dragon's head is its
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heart. And so I came to
look at your sun sign as the ruby
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heart of the dragon, which rubies
shine laser beams. And so when you
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ignite the true core of your sun
sign, which the book is intended to
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do, not just inform readers,
but actually ignite their their ruby heart,
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then it can shine a laser beams
through the dragon's eyes out towards the future
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that their soul is trying to get
to and help them resolve some of the
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issues way down at the tail end
of where they're coming from. And you
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actually saw a creature that has a
ruby heart, I remembering that correctly,
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that's right, that's right in the
in the in the UH in the insect
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room at the San Francisco Zoo,
in the scorpion UH in the scorpion cage
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um terrarium, there were there were
some small translucent scorpions that I could see
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a little red pinprick of their heart
um in the in their body, which
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instantly reminded me of scorpio in the
sky, because when you see scorpio in
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the sky um Aldebrand, which is
its first magnitude star, is a red
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start. It's a pinkish start right
about the same place in the body of
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the constellation Scorpio as it was in
the actual little Scorpions I was looking at.
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That is a segment that really just
stands out in the book, makes
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it real, like, Ay,
this is what you're doing. So you're
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you incorporated all this in the title
to the book. It's a code for
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what's happening in the book. That's
really hard of the Dragon. Okay,
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that's right. There's a few codes
in there, because I wrote the book
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on a multidimensional level, like like
good poetry if you're or or drama.
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You know, if you if you're
twelve years old and you read Hamlet,
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you might get a lot out of
it, and then you might come back
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and read it when you're sixty seven
or ninety and now it's the same play
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that it always was, but maybe
now you're grasping much more of the artistry.
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And so I write I tried to
write conversationally to make it easy to
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read, but also poetically to make
it provocative. And so you're talking about
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some of the codes that that kind
of I didn't necessarily consciously plant all those
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patterns in there. I just found
them evolving while I wrote that. Well,
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that often happens with writing. It
presents itself to you and you're just
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the you're the conduit. It's not
you. Don't blame me. I'm just
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a messenger. Yeah right, So
one on one way, the reader could
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use this book to learn about like
their own signature and understand the signatures of
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people in their lives, so they
can understand what their south node says in
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conjunction with their north node, and
then how their sun sign fits in the
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middle of it. That's right,
that's right. There's a there's a way
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you can use the book, And
I have a table in the back of
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the book so you can look up
just by knowing your birthday. You don't
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need to know your birthplace and you
don't need to know your birth time as
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if I was doing a whole chart
for you. But if you just even
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know your birthday, you can pretty
well narrow in with the tables in the
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back of the book on what your
dragon's head and dragon's tail are, and
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so if you read about that,
you can learn my impression of where you're
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coming from and where you're trying to
go. And then if you also read
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about your son's sign, you get
more of a feel for where you're at.
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So so the book can be used
in a linear fashion, in a
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therapeutic fashion for yourself and for other
people, you know, if you know
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their birthday. And it can also
be used as a just meditation on the
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signs of the Zodac, even in
meditation on life, to just deepen the
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art of life, because and I
say this in the book, every life
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is an art, just like painting
or sculpture or music. And I'm really
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working to carve the reader's art,
to help them carve their art out out
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of the material. Do you suggest
so? I mean often in a book
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like this, the first time reader
is tempted to pick it up and immediately
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flipped too, oh, where's my
son's sign? Move? But you suggest
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reading it all the way through that
that that approach would actually deny somebody of
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a benefit that you have and coded
in here we'll use that word again.
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Well, I've only I've only spoken
to one reader so far who's at least
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admitted to me that they skipped to
their own sign, which happened to be
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pissy. So they skipped everything.
Actually they just they just went to the
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last sign and um and you know, she she read in my introduction that
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I said, I don't I don't
recommend that, but what the Hellum,
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you gotta do it anyway you want. But but the thing that I found,
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Cathy, this was the most satisfying
part of that task was I found
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myself weaving together um so dietical comparisons
and and and sequences, where where something
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in the first sign aries goes all
the way to set up something in the
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twelfth sign, even though it takes
the whole book to get back to it.
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There's all these little threads and interweavings. And it really helped me locate
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the zodiac in this sense of not
just what each sign is on its own,
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which I fully tried to represent each
sign totally unique, but even so
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playing a role different than every other
sign in the overall tapestry. And it
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does read as you I mean,
it does come across as an evolutionary process.
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First there's energy that does this,
and then it moves to this and
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then to this, which it makes
it easier to read, I think,
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because each thing builds on the other
and it gives you without hitting people over
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the head with it. You make
a case for everything, builds on everything
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that was before. Thank you,
Thank you. I really, I really
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got a lot of satisfaction out of
that part of it. And that was
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the quality of the book that I
least expected when I first began writing it.
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That was the biggest surprise for me. Was not just that I had
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something vital to say about each sign, but that I also had something very
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original that I hadn't really seen any
other astrologers do before in terms of how
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they all worked together. And and
that was satisfying, because, like I
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said, it was unexpected, and
I had to work once I saw it
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emerging. I had to really push
myself more in that direction. So this
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would be useful for someone who actually
is open to reading more than their own
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son. Because every sign is somewhere
in your chart. It might be on
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a cusp to a house, it
might be on an angle, it might
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be in an intercepted house. But
every sign is somewhere that's right, And
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I tried to make it interesting so
that I don't do many same comparisons.
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I might say something about about aries, and I don't even say a similar
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correspondence to that necessarily in Taurists.
And so by making each sign, like
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I said, a country of its
own. You know, China is its
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own thing, and so is Australia, and so is Vietnam, and so
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is Japan and South Africa, and
yeah, they may be in the similar
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part of the world as some of
those other countries, but they're their own
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thing. And I worked really hard
to do that because I wanted to hook
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the person right off the bat by
going deep and sharp and juicy into the
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aries chapter, to provoke them so
much, to get them to think that
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they needed to read all of it, not just about themselves, and then
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by the time they get to themselves, I think it's a much deeper experience,
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and I think it also awakens an
understanding of, well, I have
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some of this in me too,
even in chapters that are not your son.
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That's right, because everyone has all
twelve signs, but in a unique
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mix. And just like every single
painting that's ever been done in history uses
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all the same colors. There's not
some color X that never was used before
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in history. And so I look
at the signs like that. Every person,
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every person's birth chart uses all the
same signs, but in some different
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lend that perhaps hasn't been done before. And also you kind of group the
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signs in sequence in a way that
I hadn't encountered before. I mean,
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you have a concept of the passion
corridor, but could you could you start
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with Aries goes into Taurists, goes
into Gemini and cancer? Are those four
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that you kind of see as a
combined sequence? Do you know what I'm
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reflected you. I didn't draw attention
to that in the book, but many,
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many of these sequences can be found
when you're really looking and open,
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so you know, I in the
book, I made a point of talking
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about Aries, Taurists, and Gemini, especially as really the more basic signs,
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almost the more primitive signs, that
they lack a lot of the complexity
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of many of the later signs.
And and I did talk about two corridors
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which over the years I've just noted
this that UM that I see Cancer,
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Leo, and Virgo as the hospitality
corridor of the zodiac, that that those
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three signs seemed to share a strong
feeling of wanting to make other people feel
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at home. And Um and I
talked about the passion corridor as as Virgo,
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Libra, Scorpio, Sage, and
Capricorn. And I wrote about how
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I thought each of those signs contributes
a passion that all that all contributes to
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Capricorn. The the end of that
passion corridor, Capricorn becomes very swollen because
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because each each of those previous signs
in that same corridor seemed to feed it,
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I would not have previously connected Capricorn
with the notion of passion. Yeah,
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and and there are many there are
many more variations. I have found
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many more variations on the sign of
Capricorn by far than any other of the
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twelve signs. So I have known
Capricorns with zero passion. I mean,
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the closer you get to them,
the more you just fall asleep. There's
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just nothing there. And I have
known Capricorns more sizzling, you know them
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the hottest sagittarian or And so for
me, Capricorn is the one sign that
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breaks all the stereotypes um and um, and many of them are really struggling
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with issues of judgment and self judgment, and in many cases that subdues a
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lot of their passion. But when
you when you find the Capricorn who's really
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alive and tuned in um. It's
a very deep passions. It's not a
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surfacing passion. To get to the
passion of Capricorn, you usually got to
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and the author of the recently released
book The Ruby Heart of the Dragon.
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And just before the break, we
were talking about the passion corridor of the
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zodiac culminating in Capricorn, which was
a mind blowing concept for some of you
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out there. I am certain that's
an example of the absolutely compassionate and insightful
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revisioning of the signs that just fills
this entire book, seeing things in ways
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that makes sense when you look at
them that way. But I'm willing to
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bet you hadn't previously thought of them. So there's a very Uranian streak in
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this book. I would say.
So after you get through do we get
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through the passion corridor, what do
you do with Aquarius and Pisces. Well,
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that's the wild curve that all the
other signs have led to, and
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people who read the book sequentially,
by the time they get to Aquarius,
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you know they've gone through ten other
stages, ten other journeys of individuation,
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ten other life arts. And then
then when you get to Aquarius, I
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see Capricorn as raising selfhood to its
highest, wrestling soul, wrestling on the
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transcendental highway, wrestling with karma,
wrestling with shadow, in order to really
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to really purify human selfhood as much
as it can. So then in Aquarius,
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it's not up to Aquarius to somehow
advance human selfhood even higher, so
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much as as clear it out into
a vessel, tallow it out that that
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each each human nature, especially from
the aquiring point of view, isn't a
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thing of its own, It's not
each person isn't like a dense fortress of
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its own, but a vessel where
if you show up as authentically as the
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person you really are, you in
Aquarius don't become so much of an issue
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as you as you become a chalice
where now life and spirit and art and
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loved and work can flow through you
because there's less of your own ego persona
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in the way, and you become
selfhood becomes more transparent, more fluid at
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least that's what wants to happen after
Capricorn in the stage of Aquarius, and
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then and then Pisces, which is
the final sign in the zodiac. Is
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Um is making peace with incarnation,
with the huge waves of incarnation, especially
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at this time on Earth, to
massive challenges to even just be human,
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to even show up, to even
really participate. Um. Pisces is really
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trying to arrive during a time where
a lot of a lot of things are
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departing, and so you you have
to kind of go against the tide in
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a certain way. And Um and
I worked the duality of Pisces Um quite
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a bit like I worked the duality
of Gemini as well, because arriving like
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that isn't just a simple thing that
a one pointed thing. There's there's counter
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drives, drives and counter drives.
So if you can really stand fast in
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the gales of incarnation, the tsunami
of strange changes going on around the world
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at this time, UM, you
really make you make peace with the With
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the seven c's, I'm gonna have
to take that one in Um, all
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right. So reader gets through all
of these and sits and thinks about their
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son and then looks up their north
node and the south node in the In
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your afterward you actually give kind of
a rope. Well, you give a
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roadmap for how someone can use everything
you've just said, regardless of what their
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chart is. Yeah. I added
that that afterward part UM to just to
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round out the experience of the book, because each chapter UM dives into the
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strange, fascinating country of a single
sign and then winds up with two pages
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to describing what that sign would be
like if it were at the head or
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tail of somebody's dragon. But those
two methods felt that they needed something more,
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which was UM a condensed version of
putting all the signs together, almost
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like creating a play or a movie
or a dragon that to kind of complete
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it. So I give like a
paragraph I sum up the airy stage and
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how it leads to Taurus and Gemini
and so on. And I couched that
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version UM with setting setting that up
a little bit, and then taking it
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taking it out again to really to
really animate the dragon, to to really
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make it make it come alive.
Have you noticed, parallel to your working
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on this UM a surge in dragon
imagery in the world at large, by
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any chance? Well, I have
but I kind of was. I was
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relating that to like, as soon
as you buy a new kind of car,
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all of a sudden, you can't
stop seeing that model everywhere you go.
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And so I wasn't sure if that
was something subjective that I was just
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starting to notice more to more dragons
because I was working on the dragon all
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those years, or whether it actually
was maybe objectively going that way. Well,
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I haven't been working on dragons,
and I will confirm to you their
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energy is definitely on the rise in
some really startling ways. So this might
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speak to a lot of people.
And I noticed you I mentioned this earlier,
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but throughout this book there are autobiographical
notes that actually illustrate whatever the sign
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is, or the challenge of the
sign, or the potential of the sign,
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even though you might not yourself have
in your chart something that is that,
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um it's real. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, please, yeah,
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because I because I want I wanted
to free up the signs of you
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know, kind of a cheap and
dirty way to use astrologists. Oh,
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they're a gemini. I don't think
I'm going to invite them to my party
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because they talk too much. And
and rather than that, they're they're some
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part of you. They're not just
Gemini, you're Gemini too, and so
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um. There were some chapters where
because I've had a wacky, gypsy crazy
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life and think and and and I
knew I needed to use that because I
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wanted something more to distinguish my book
from maybe many other astrology books. Where
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there were places where I felt that
by dipping into my life's actual experiences,
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some of which are more mundane experiences
falling in love, having sex, and
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some of which are totally unusual,
like writing a Harley Davidson halfway around the
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world and think things like that.
And I knew that if I restricted my
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own personal tales to only where they
really needed to be because they furthered my
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description. Then there were some chapters
where I didn't use me at all and
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others where I used me heavily,
and most were something in between. It
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makes for fascinating reading. I'll say
that for those of us who bore easily,
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this book will not do that to
you. So I do have a
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couple of other topics I'd like to
ask you about, but before before we
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leave, this is or anything else
you want to express about the book or
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your experience with it or how it
fits into your way of life or anything
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at all. Well, it's just
been so much fun to go on many
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podcasts and just talk with people,
because each one of you ends up asking
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me different things. So instead of
me getting board, you know, I'm
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talking about a certain angles of the
book with you that I haven't talked much
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about with others, So I'm appreciating
that. I did also want to mention
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that my College of Visionaries and Wizards
is looking for some new students who might
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want to come into our three year
program. And so if anyone is interested
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in finding out about that, they
could email me at Mark Borax dot com.
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Oh great, and some people could
learn how to do this for themselves.
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That's right. With a wizard that's
off in the mountains. Okay,
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not the Redwoods, but the mountains. Okay, yeah, the green Mountains
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of Vermont. The next stage wizardry. Okay. Um. I noticed that
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you have you do, although you
don't engage in forecasting like some of it
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to the extent that some of us
do, you do acknowledge working with cosmic
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weather, and I see that you
have a or you had to talk on
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on using the cosmic weather to break
out of Old Stories, which is continuing
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Joseph Campbell's work. By the way, I got to hear him talk live
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under unusual circumstances. I showed up
somewhere and there was something sparkly and I
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looked at it and I said,
I must have that. And it turned
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out they were tickets to hear him
that someone had to give away and I
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just looked their mind. Chow.
So now a great story. I'm all
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stories, but so breaking out of
old stories using the current cosmic weather to
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do that, Yeah, yeah,
it feels to me. And I'm mostly
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basing this on Pluto's transit of Acquiis, which is approximately twenty years. We're
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just in the first year of a
twenty year period of the God of Hell
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moving through the sign of Revolution.
And the last time Pluto was in the
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sign of revolution was back in the
American Revolution and the French and the Haitian
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Revolution. So I'm kind of looking
at the current cosmic weather. When I
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say current, really the next twenty
years that we're entering this make it or
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break it period, where were we
got to remember the love that we're made
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of. We got to break out
of the illusion of normalcy, they recognize
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your soul came here at this time
because it needs to be here at the
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crossroads of the ages to help put
your own weight on the side of is
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humanity going to wake up and remember
that we're all made of love, that
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you came for love, that you're
here for love, and you got to
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find your own version of that.
You got to make that yours. And
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so when I look at the intensity
of Pluto, I feel Pluto saying,
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hey, humanity has been in a
living hell of its own creation, brother
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against brother, race against race,
gender against gender, and we got to
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bust out of that. And the
revolution is a is an inner revolution more
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than an outer one, to just
really use that cosmic weather to wake up.
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And I've always I mean, I
have detected and I have observed that
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when Pluto changes signs, there's a
shift in the expression of power. And
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you've used the phrase sourcing power to
the soul for the potential of Pluto inaquarius.
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Yeah, absolutely, because and that's
what I was working on with this
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book, is getting down to the
soul of every sign, the soul of
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the reader, just that there is
this power in all of us, There
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is this power in you and it
doesn't get fully tapped unless you tap it,
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and most people are are leading lives
of quite desperation. And when you
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tap that power of the soul,
you know, it's not like everything gets
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easy and wonderful and turns into a
happy ending. It's just that everything gets
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very real and shamanic and gritty and
artistic, and it feels like it's now
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or never in these twenty years.
So I'm looking at that current and long
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range cosmic weather and what if what
did you observe in our first few months
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of Pluto. I called it sitting
at the doorway to the future. When
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Plato was just sitting at zero aquarius, it really felt tingly like something was
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wanting to come in. And when
I found myself getting caught in old projections,
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in old thought forms, old paradigms, unhealed emotional issues of my own,
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I was oblivious to the new tingle. And but it seemed as soon
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as I was willing to let go
of a lot of the old patterns that
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it was almost instant that something new
is beginning to happen. And even if
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it's only happening on attentative feeling level, like it was, let's say around
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nineteen sixty five, maybe sixty six. Even if the revolution in consciousness was
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only starting to tingle in sixty five, something big was to follow. And
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that was the sense that I had, So you were tying it to that
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time period. Interesting. And the
reason I say that is as Saturn goes
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through Pisces, it's going to oppose
the yurinous Pluto conjunction in Virgo that was
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in place in sixty five sixty six. That's right, that's right, which
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made Virgo the key sign of the
nineteen sixties thing, which many astrologers don't
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really point to that, but really, when Uranus and Pluto came together in
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the nineteen sixties in Virgo, I
see Virgo as renunciation. You know,
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Virgo is the sign that has to
get rid of purified release, and that
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was the thing in the sixties,
which is and as a young person then
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we didn't know what we were going
to replace the old world with, but
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we knew we had to get rid
of it, and it was the Virgo
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thing of cleansing, clearing, clearing. And I feel that what's happening now
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at this time is really that we
have to ground that Saturn and Pisces energy
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is grounding the deep compassion of what
it means to be human, what it
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means to share this world with animal
species and people of a different political party.
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Just that Saturn and Pisces, the
depth of anchoring your love, not
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just conceptualizing a better world, but
working on it. And then that also
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that that connects to the power shift
of Pluto into Aquarius. Interesting, I
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hadn't I hadn't connected Pluto's shift to
what was going on in the sixties,
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but it certainly makes all the sense
in the world. Well, yeah,
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because we're still working to get fully
you know, into to get the early
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Aquarian age you really go in here. I mean, when an age is
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twenty one, one hundred and seventy
three years UM, it takes a while
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to really get in it. So, you know, having the deepest planet
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of all in the sign of the
age has got to be a major shamanic
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initiation. So what do you make
of this, uh, where we are
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right now with Pluto having retrograded back
into um, the institutional or highly passionate
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sign of Capricorn. Well, it's
a continue it's going to continue to expose
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false power, false government, false
patriarchy, and um you know it's gonna
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it's gonna hang out here for about
nine months and to go back into Quares
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for a little while, then go
back into Capricorn for a little while,
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then finally stay in Aquarius for nineteen
years. So I think there's there's a
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little like we're in the karmic rinse
cycle of the washing machine trying to you
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know, trying to clean the laundry
before just diving into Aquarius. I am
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going to quote you on that that
is beautifully put right. You can get
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wow, okay, right, because
I mean I I've been looking at it
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like, okay, we're cleaning out
a failed root canal, and sometimes it
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feels that awful. Oh no,
exactly what I had to do two weeks
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ago. I'd had a root canal
decades ago that had to get cleaned out
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again just now. So I just
went through that. And often this this
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stuff is uh archetypes play out in
real life all the time, like okay,
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yeah this fits um. Well,
okay, uh, all my notes
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are gone. What else would you
like to talk about? We have a
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few minutes left. What's interesting you
these days? Well, I just want
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to let people know that that I
have a print version of the Ruby Heart
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of the Dragon Sun signs for our
Times, and I have an audio version
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that I recorded myself. I had
the time of my life in the recording
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studio because I'm I'm also a trained
actor and musician, and it was just
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so exciting for me to get into
that microphone and perform my book. And
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also there's an ebook version, so
there's there's three different ways that people can
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get the Ruby Heart of the Dragon
and starting to get good pressed, starting
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to get noticed more around the world. And I'm I'm so excited when I
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hear from readers who who write to
me with questions or observations. It just
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makes me feel deeply satisfied. Ah. So there's your there's your invitation listeners
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read the book and give feedback.
Actually, everyone appreciates feedback on their work.
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So good that you're open to it. Yeay. And they can get
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it at from your site. Is
it Is it available at stores? Online?
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Would? Yeah, it's available at
stores, It's available on Amazon.
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They can get it at my website, the Ruby Heart of the Dragon dot
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com. There's many ways to get
it. And anyone who gets that book
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and reads it, I would love
especially if you get it at Amazon to
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write an Amazon review because right now
we only have about six Amazon reviews and
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we're trying to build it up because
the book just came out. So that's
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my other invitation to you make your
impression of this known. Well. I
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think I have to get this from
my Torus friend who says everyone says that
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she just eats. So because this
doesn't talk at all about that. It
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talks about what she does, which
is work all the time and just put
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tools out for other people. And
there's that level of very positive re envisioning
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for every single sign here. You'll
have to let me know what she says
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after she reads it. I certainly
will. And she's going to hear this
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show tomorrow and send me pointed messages. I'm sure. Yeah. So also,
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okay, So your website, mark
Borax dot com is where people can
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go to find out about your school. The certification course. That's right.
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We have the College of Visionaries and
Wizards. Me and my wife Marcella ever
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sool. This is our fifteenth or
sixteenth year as a college. We offer
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various programs, but the main one
is a three year chart study course.
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We meet once a week on zoom
and once a year in the summer,
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you have an option to come be
with us at our home at a new
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extra charge. But the two mission
and I teach you how to read birth
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charts the magical soulful way that I
do. You can find out about that
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on my website also on Soul level
Astrology dot com. It's the college divisioners
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with his chart study program. We've
already gone one year in, but this
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summer is the last time we open
our doors to students who want to jump
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in the current program by catching up
on the recordings with a summer self study
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program. So people can find out
about that if they email me. And
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what are the other sorts of things
that people could study? You said there
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were several programs. Yeah, my
wife Marcella teaches a course she's been teaching
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of course I forget the name of
it has to do with the sacred feminine
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in connection to Venus. She's been
teaching a course with her good friend Maria
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Alajo, and we often have other
courses. I'm probably going to be offering
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an ad JOCTS course in September along
with the chart study program, but different
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from it, though I haven't figured
out the name of that one yet.
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So they can look at previous classes
on the website. And oh, they
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can sign up from my free email
newsletter. I have a monthly newsletter called
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the Cosmic Weather Report, and right
on the homepage of Mark Borax dot com
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they can sign up and they'll find
out any other short and long classes that
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I have to offer here and there. So everyone go check this out,
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scope it out, see what's there, and definitely read this book. I
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know there are a number of book
junkies out there, those of you who've
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been cleaning your bookshelves out, well, you could get the audiobook. It
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wouldn't take up space, or get
it on your Kindle, iPad or something.
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Anyway, Thank you, Mark.
It's it's a delight talking with you,
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Cassie. It's a pleasure. It's
really it's been really enjoyable. On
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some of the questions and comments you
made were already what I was thinking,
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so you were really we were really
tuning into each other. And I appreciate.
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I just appreciate the way you think
and the way you help present me
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to new listeners. Well, my
Leo Moon says, thank you so much
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for the acknowledgement, and you're welcome, and everyone remember you can check out
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my forecasts at ometimes dot com monthly
Moon at Full Moon and New Moon forecasts,
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and also at my site Empowerment Unlimited
dot net. And my YouTube channel
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is Professional Aquerie and so if you
prefer to just listen to stuff, you
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00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:54.239
can get it there. It's also
on audio on hometimes dot com. Thanks
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very much, everyone, be safe
and we'll talk again in two weeks years
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as using ass