Guilt Trips, Fake Cakes, and Cowboy Presidents
The boys are joined by dear friend and documentary producer Alyson Holland to talk about her new project on Ronald Reagan. John forgets what generation he is in and ponders the last time we had Aly as a guest and almost burned their friendship to the ground.
Meanwhile, Jonnie decides he is exactl…
Thermostat Rules, Banned Scooters, and Childish Things
John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance.
Plus, a…
Best of 2026 | How Gratitude Can Quiet Your Anxiety (Plus Reclaimed Beanies & Going to Movies)
"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that…
Best Of 2026 | Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?
"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no kn…
Best of 2026 | Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty
John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.
Plus, a conversation about certainty a…
Best Of 2026 | Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors
John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland.
Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, …
Co-Piloting Audiobook by John Driver
Listen to full audiobook for free : https://litupbook.com/free Title: Co-PilotingSubtitle: Luck, Leadership, and Learning That It's All about Others: Our StoryCategories: Biography, Business Development, Entrepreneurship, Leadership, Professional DevelopmentAuthor: John DriverNarrator: Bob KeslingP…
Best of 2026 | Old Technology, Deathbed Confessions, and Transactional Love
John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts.
Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it's needed now more than ev…
Best Of 2026 | Secret Microphones, Escalators, and Reactionaryism
John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase.
Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear.
Today's episo…
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