Resident Evil (2026) | Episode #482

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You are more than the lies that you're told You
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are more than the name and number.
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To me.
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Welcome to the Victims and Villains podcast. My name is Josh,
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and I'm joined by Dan, the movie man, Rockwood. Hey, everybody.
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I'm excited to be here tonight. This is awesome.
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It has been a little over a year and a
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half since we live streamed.
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That is insane. Do you remember what the last live
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stream we did was?
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Mission Impossible Final Reckoning Part 2.
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That makes sense. That's what kind of reconnected us because
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you wanted to go through all of the Mission Impossible films.
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So I went on that adventure with you and because
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of you. And now here we are all these months later.
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I feel like we need to do another franchise again.
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Just another franchise. Maybe we team up two movies like
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we did last time.
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Well, we've talked about Fast and Furious for a while.
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I don't think we've handled that one yet. But there
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are a lot of good choices. I mean, you and
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I will have to talk offline and come up with
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some ideas. Figure out what the people want.
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I am here for it. But we're here tonight talking
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about the brand new Zack Crager film, Resident Evil, a
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reimagining of many sorts, as we'll kind of divulge into
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this film. And... Dan, I feel like I have the
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unfair advantage of this podcasting with you because not only
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are you coming at this from a gamer perspective, which
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I am not. I have an announcement about that in
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the after later later, but you also were an EMT.
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That's a former life. So like I feel like you
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this probably connected with this movie way more than I did.
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This movie was like designed in a lab for me
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because you're absolutely correct. It's an adaptation of one of
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my favorite video game franchises of all time that I
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have played for over two decades of my life. It's
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a horror movie, which I just love on its own.
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Zach Kroeger is a director, such a huge fan of
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the work he's done already. And you're right. There's a
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medical side of this and coming at it from an
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EMT and seeing a courier transporting uh, organs or whatever.
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And that's one of the themes of this movie is
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he doesn't really know what he's transporting. He just agrees
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to do it. And you see, uh, the hospital setting,
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which definitely brought back a lot of memories from when
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I was working a lot. You see, um, just general
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like knowledge of, of needing first aid and, and, uh,
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all the different, um, you know, issues he encounters throughout
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this movie, which moves at a very fast pace. I
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think this clocks in just over 90 minutes. So there
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isn't a whole lot of filler. It's just getting right
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down to it. And I think that helped make it really,
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really successful and was super enjoyable for me. I loved
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every second of this one.
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So I kind of missed out on the Resident Evil movies.
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I feel like when I was a kid. I feel
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like if I would have caught the rest of those
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Mila Jovovich movies right around the time I was probably
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like 13, 14, starting to get into the camp and
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kind of this more or less like the kind of
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not so bad, they're good movies that we kind of
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see a lot of that currently occupy a lot of
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my top 10 movies. I feel like I'd feel a
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little bit differently about this franchise. I was a little bit...
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I was way too young for the... For the PS1
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games when they first came out. And by the time
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I got into any sort of gaming, it just wasn't
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a thing for me anymore. And I actually didn't see
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any of the Resident Evil movies until 2020. Oh, wow.
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And I saw the first one... at a on dbd
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during the pandemic and i was like this is.
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Horrible man strong opinion coming out the gate i saw
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the first resident evil movie when i was in like
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fifth grade that was right around the time i was
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getting into the video games there was a time in
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my life that was my favorite movie i thought it
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was the coolest thing i thought mila jovovich was so
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badass and that Resident Evil Apocalypse came out in 2004,
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I believe. And that movie is so hated amongst the
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film and horror community. Resident Evil fans don't like it.
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Movie fans don't like it. That's my favorite Resident Evil.
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I don't care. I loved Apocalypse so much. It's just
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so fun. The trailer introduced me to Papa Roach because
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they got one of his songs playing on it. Like,
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That released at a time in my life that my
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brain was still developing. And it was like, oh, we're
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into Resident Evil now. This is what this is about.
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So it was cool. So it's been a long time coming.
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I've been in this franchise since probably 10 years old.
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And I'm 35 now. So it's been quite a long time.
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Again, I feel like I would have watched this... I
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had more love for this franchise had I gotten... Had
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it clicked with me at a younger age, because I
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feel like Resident Evil, especially with those Mila Jovovich movies,
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if you caught it just the right age range, it's
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like kablammo. We're here for it. But it just never
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clicked for me. I did not even try with the
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Netflix series. And I saw Raccoon City in theaters yesterday.
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And I thought it was OK. And everyone was like,
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it's hot trash. The Resident Evil fans deserve better. And
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then they got the Netflix series and they were like,
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we're mildly sorry.
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Welcome to Raccoon City was a bit of a disappointment.
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You've known me in a podcast with me long enough
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to know that I like most things that I watch.
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I have a self-selective system here and I just enjoy
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and get a lot of positivity out of these things
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that we do. There was not as much for me
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out of Welcome to the Raccoon City. Most of that
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was because they were trying to shoo in plot lines
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from the first two Resident Evil games and bring in
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all of those characters that we were already familiar with.
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And then they just didn't do it super well. There
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was a lot of areas that they kind of fell flat.
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So I saw that movie in theaters and I just
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came out of it not feeling super great about it.
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which doesn't usually happen. So that was something that was
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definitely new for me. But now we have this one.
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And I know you had mentioned the Netflix series. I
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had liked that as an adaptation and we had a
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Lance Reddick was in that series and he did a
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great job in his role. And I just really, really
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enjoyed some of the stories that they were telling there.
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But yeah, if you're going to go into that and
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expect like a retelling of the game, that's not what
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it is. Um, and that's not what this movie is.
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This movie has almost nothing. Truthfully, almost nothing to do
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with resident evil with the exception of a few key
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references and plot points. If you strip that away, you
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have a survival horror zombie film, not dissimilar to a
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lot of the others that we've gotten, but because it
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has a resident evil name behind it. And because we
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can bring in things like the umbrella corporation and stuff
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like that. And raccoon city, of course it, um, it
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allows you to explore this world a little bit more.
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And that's what Zack Krieger has said in interviews. He
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didn't want to just do a one-to-one retelling of the game.
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He wanted to showcase a new story that's going on
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while these events were happening. And from that perspective, I
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think it was very successful. I really love this movie.
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I saw it at my local IMAX. I would love
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to go see this again. I would love to own
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this movie eventually. And this is, again, short runtime, very fast-paced. really,
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really great film to just, you know, sink into and,
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and enjoy put on any time.
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I was really surprised by how much I actually enjoyed
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this film. I am not, like I said, at this point,
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I'm not a resident evil fan. I'm coming into this
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movie solely as a Zach Crager fan. I loved, I
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was floored. Let me rephrase that. I was not, did
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not love it. I was, I was floored by barbarian weapons.
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It was one of the best horror films we had
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last year. And so it's, to kind of hear him
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take resident evil, I was really apprehensive. I was like, man,
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it was like, you just spent the last five years
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creating these really two unique, completely opposite genre pictures. And
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you're going to go after an IP. Like why? And
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then he said, like it, like you said, the interviews
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is that he didn't necessarily want to do that one
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for one thing. adaptation remake what he really longed for
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was the chance to recapture what it's like to actually
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play these games and i think that's one of the
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things that this film does so extraordinarily well is that
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it does capture that feeling incredibly well um you know
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i i've toyed around with the video games in the past,
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but this just kind of felt like how I remember
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survival horror video games feeling like every time you think that, uh,
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our protagonist catches a break, another like impossible moment comes out.
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Um, You're absolutely right. And you know what it kind
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of reminds me of? And this is going to sound
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like a tangent and you're going to be very confused
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for a second. But have you seen the 2007 film
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Wild Hogs? Are you familiar with that movie?
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I saw it when I was a kid. I haven't
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seen it in a very, very long time, but hit
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me with it.
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You should rewatch it. It's been on my mind lately
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for some reason. But it's in that movie. You have
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a group of middle aged men who are not bikers
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who end up encountering a biker gang and needing to
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deal with all of the intensity and violence that comes
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along with that. And so they are, um, almost like
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cosplaying like what they want to be. And then the
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movie forces them into a situation where they have to
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step up and actually act that out a little bit,
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not dissimilar to our character in resident evil, who, when
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you are, um, an audience member and you have certain expectations, the, uh,
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you know, the director and the actors, they're going to
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want to subvert those expectations. So they're going to want
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to surprise you. It is easy. And in the previous
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Resident Evil films, we saw this, you have a bad-ass
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main character who knows how to use guns, who knows
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how to fight. Maybe they've been trained in martial arts
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and they're going to go through and just kick ass
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through the entire movie. That is not what this movie is.
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And every moment that you think something incredible is going
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to happen, like when he gets a gun and, he
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can't shoot. He's never fired a gun before. And he
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comments on it. He's like, guns are way easier in
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video games. They're hard in real life. There's a safety
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I have to take off. And, you know, being a
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little bit of like a firearms nerd myself, like I
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liked that aspect of the movie. I'm like, oh, yeah,
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it's truthfully somebody who's never held a firearm in their
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life trying to pick one up in the heat of
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the moment and figuring out how it works. And then
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he gets a little bit better. And then you can
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see like in a video game, you're able to upgrade
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and you get the shotgun. You see when he gets
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the shotgun, but then you need to find the ammo.
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So he's going through and it's just so video gamey
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and it's so captures that element of it really well.
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It's it was just so much fun. But that's what
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helped make this such a relatable story is it is this. Yeah,
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this character who is not equipped to handle or survive anything.
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a zombie situation like this, but we're just going to
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be there, you know, every step of the way and
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discover all of the different things that he discovers as
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he goes along.
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That I felt like was really refreshing to me, especially
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the closer we got to the lab, right? Like, I
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think that was kind of one of the smartest things
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that this movie does is that it, you're experiencing this
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right with, with, with Austin Abrams, his character, And I
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think that's kind of what made this so refreshing because
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how many times have we seen movies that are hitting
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theory similar themes and narratives and kind of those, those X,
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those are what we expect by this point. So you
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want to have something that's going to feel very fresh.
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And I feel like for me, for someone that is
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not a gamer, that's not familiar with these games that like,
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I know these games from cons and cosplay. That's about
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the extent of what I know it. And I love
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the fact that I would think something is going to happen,
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and then I was wrong like 95% of the time.
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And as a horror nerd, that's something I find really refreshing.
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Right now, I'm in the midst of covering two podcasts
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Film festivals back to back. I just finished up with
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genre blast. I'm getting ready to head into coverage for
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screen fest out of Los Angeles and just picturing all
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of these, you know, having this in the middle of
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those two was, was really refreshing. Not saying that either
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festival has produced bad films by any stretch of the means.
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Sunshine girls is definitely going to be in my top
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10 of the year. But, you know, when you're going
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after genre pictures, it's like really hard to surprise me
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is what I'm trying to say. Totally.
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And it's important to have a variety in those different films.
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And you and I have covered a lot of movies
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over the years and a lot of different genres. And
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we've gone from animation and rom-coms and action and horror.
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And the only thing we haven't reviewed, I think, is
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like maybe musicals. I don't remember if we've done a musical,
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but probably got to change it. If you ever want
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to talk like Mamma Mia, I'm so down. I'll break
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down that movie nonstop. But whatever we end up doing,
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one of my friends has a fan theory, and I
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don't think this is accurate, but it's very funny to
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think about that the upcoming Tom Cruise movie Digger could
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be a musical. And you know what? I haven't seen
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anything to confidently say it's not. So we'll see what
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we're in for for that. That would be pretty funny.
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Everyone keeps telling me that Digger is going to be
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a musical. I'm seeing those theories too, and I'm just like,
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I don't think that's what you think it is, but
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I'm here for it otherwise.
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It's such a tangent. I hate that I want to
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go see that movie. I wish I didn't want to
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go see it, but the trailer just has me hooked,
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so we'll have to see what's going on with that.
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Yeah, I'm 100% here for it, but general, we've been
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kind of beating around the bush, kind of talking about
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the synopsis of it, you know, kind of our history
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with the resident evil. What are your general thoughts on
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this movie? Spoiler free.
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Absolutely. I, so I love this movie. If you haven't
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figured that out already, this was such a delight. The
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thing that surprised me the most is how insanely funny
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this film is. And maybe I should have had that expectation.
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I did not see barbarian, although I really want to
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watch it, but I did watch weapons and, And Weapons
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is very creepy and very atmospheric. And the mystery they
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set up is so cool. But then there are moments
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that are laugh out loud funny, which really took me
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by surprise. And this movie really takes that up almost
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in the beginning to the point where, and you know
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how much I love this, it reminded me of Shaun
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of the Dead. And we're going to keep this spoiler free,
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but this is in the beginning of the movie. you know,
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a zombie wanders into the road. He hits her with
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his car and he's freaking out and she crawls into
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the woods. So he parks and goes and finds her.
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And he's like, oh my God, are you okay? Are
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you okay? And then helps her to her feet and
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is like helping her into the car, gets her in
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the car. She's like reaching over to try and grab
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him while he's driving. And he's like, no, stop that.
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It reminded me so much of Nick Frost and Simon
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Pegg in the early minutes of Of Shaun of the
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Dead when they don't fully understand what's happening. And there
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were moments like that throughout the entire movie. While still
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having moments of terror and jump scares. And just really
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well done atmosphere while pulling in the story. It did
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a lot of things really well. But the humor in
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it is definitely what took me by surprise.
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It's not a huge shock for me knowing... that there
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was going to be comedy in it because of Zach
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Kroeger's background with Whitest Kids You Know and Miss March
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and a lot of the other comedies that he's made
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over the years kind of getting that start up. I
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think anytime you have filmmakers like Jordan Peele, John Krasinski,
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people that actually had their background start in comedy, it's
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not a huge shock to me personally. However, the level
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of comedy here and where the comedy was placed, I
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think was, was the big surprise for me. You know,
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I think when that scene you're talking about, when he
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gets pulled over by the cop and he's like trying
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to like cooperate with the cop and like, she just
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kind of starts like just, just hand over just repeatedly.
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And it's one of those, it's one of the funniest
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scenes in the movie, but it just kind of keeps like,
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that level of like unexpectedness. And I think it's one
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of the things that this film does extremely well. And
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that was, that would be kind of my, my one
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word takeaway from the theater experience is that this movie
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surprised me. It is unexpected the way that it hits
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those notes of the pacing, how fast and brisk this,
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the story is told, you know, nine clocking in at
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97 minutes with credits is just, Insanely incredible. But also
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the fact that this film is like is like also
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layered and has what I would classify as probably one
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of the best endings to any film this year. Definitely.
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And before we get into the spoiler territory and break
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down a lot of that late film stuff. I just
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want to say a couple of things in regards to
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the cinematography on this film was really fantastic. I have
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been paying a lot more attention lately to camera work,
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to extended shots, to the way that things are framed.
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And when this movie opens and we're following Austin Abrams,
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when he's walking up into the hospital, trying to figure
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out who to hand off his organ to and figure
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out what's going on. That's a it's a one shot
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into the into the hospital scene. And I didn't track
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exactly how long it was, but it's probably a good
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minute to a minute and a half without the camera
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cutting of him going up to the desk, walking down
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the halls, looking into the rooms. And I kind of
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had the thought of this is a movie based on
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a video game in a video game. You're with the
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character the whole time there, with the exception of cut scenes.
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There isn't a whole lot of breaking there. Is this
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how they're going to adapt it and make it feel
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like we are just with this character the whole time? Now,
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the camera does cut and you get different camera angles.
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So they broke that. But I thought that was a
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really cool intro to that film. And what Resident Evil
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also does is it is a story about this one
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man's journey and this one man's need for survival as
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he is going through, you know, this crazy city and
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this crazy, you know, thing that's happening to him. And
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his character's name is Brian. So Brian is.
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We're just following him the whole time. And the fact
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that he doesn't really know about weapons. He doesn't know
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what's going on. He's not affiliated with the overarching conspiracy
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of the Umbrella Corporation. He's not on the Raccoon City
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Police Department like well-known characters like Leon Kennedy is. And
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he is just a guy in Raccoon City who is
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just trying to survive. And it almost reminds me of
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sometimes you see those videos that are like, being a
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regular person in the Marvel universe must really suck. Because
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if you're just living... like living in New York city,
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just minding your own business. And then like the Chitauri
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come out of a portal and, and then like the
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Hulk is smashing things. And you're like, I just want
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to get home. What is happening? And that's what it
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made me realize is that we're following just a very
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normal guy. Who's not equipped to handle any of this.
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And we see how he reacts. We get glimpses into
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his personality and it felt, um, It's funny to use
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the word realistic in a movie like this, but it's
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a character study first and foremost. And the character felt
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very down to earth and the things that we see
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him struggle with and the things that we don't see
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him struggle with. There are conversations over the phone that
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allude to his home life and his girl, his relationship
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with his girlfriend and things they're going through. But we
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never explore those more deeply. But it's there to give
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us a better sense of who this who this person is.
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And all those little choices while bringing us into his
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headspace without sacrificing the time needed to tell the story
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and get what we needed out of it, I think
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was just really excellent forms of storytelling. And it made
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it help it be so, so successful. With that said, though,
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I am I'm good to jump into spoilers and we
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can start breaking it down.
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So we're going to take a quick break real fast, but.
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This is the announcement. The reason why we wanted to
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kind of kick off more live streams here is I
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am a... I'm not a gamer by any stretch of
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the imagination. I think I've established it thus far on
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this podcast. However, there has been a game that I
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have been anticipating for over a year at this point.
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And....
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I'm going to start live streaming it here on YouTube
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for you guys. So it's, if you guys are watching
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this on Facebook or Instagram, it's youtube.com for slash victims
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and villains one. Uh, we're going to start that on
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October 12th at, uh, 8 PM. You guys can join
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us a week in a week out as I work
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my way through hell razor revival. We're going to play
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a trailer for you guys in just a second. If
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you guys don't know what that is, but, Second, if
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you guys are joining us right now and you guys
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are unfamiliar with what Victims and Villains is, who we
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are and what we do, we are a multimedia nonprofit
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that creates content, which you're watching right now, to talk
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about mental health education through pop culture, to talk about
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suicide prevention education as well, and really kind of talk
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about how pop culture connects to mental health and vice versa.
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We're going to kind of get into some of the
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mental health of Resident Evil. We're going to take a
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quick commercial break real fast, but if you or someone
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you know is watching this and you guys are struggling
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with suicide, addiction, self-harm, or depression, please click the link
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health resource library where you can go to victimsandvillains.net forward
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slash hope. We'll be right back.
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Society is made of lots of decisions.
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Society is made of lots of reasons. It's all human.
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Welcome to the age of digital slavery A new kind
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of betrayal and encrypted treachery Round inside this endless loop.
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And let me ask you Are you still free?
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Working to become something Trust the revelings of Romans who constantly.
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Lie Romans, I tell you.
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To turn a blind eye To the law since I
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turned down the law Seven psychological.
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Needs Only then we.
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Can unravel And truly rediscover a memory This is a
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revolution Fight for your sovereignty This is a revolution Overthrowing
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our authority We will proclaim There's only poison in our eyes.
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God, I'm loving that soundtrack right there. So much. That's incredible.
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Yeah, I was vibing to that one.
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So once again, it's October 12th. We'll be starting at
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8 o'clock every Monday until I complete the task of
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finishing the game from start to finish. I will fail,
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and you will be here for it. But to quote
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Batman Begins, why do we fall so we can get
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back up? Much like Brian in this movie, as we
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navigate through spoilers of Resident Evil 2026, or as I'm
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sure most people will in future generations call this movie,
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Zack Crager's Resident Evil. But let's get into this. If
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you guys have not seen this movie, I'm also going
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to put this in the chat as well. If you
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guys haven't seen this movie, we are diving into spoilers now. Um,
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so this is, this is your official spoiler warning. If
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you guys haven't seen it, uh, please go to your
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local cinemas, check it out. This movie is incredible. Uh,
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this movie floored me, surprised me on all mess. And
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I just want to say this before we start, Dan is,
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I don't know if this is, I don't know what
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type of movie you would classify this in. I don't
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know if this is quite a zombie movie, kind of
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with some of the forms that some of the monsters take. I,
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in Brian's final form, I'd call this a monster movie.
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Either way you spin it, Zack Craig delivers a generational
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monster movie. This movie reminded me so much of John
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Carpenter's The Thing.
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I'm so happy you brought that up because when you
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called it Zack Craig's Resident Evil, I was like, oh cool,
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it's like John Carpenter's The Thing. And that is a
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double feature that I'm going to have to show someday
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to people. We can watch John Carpenter's The Thing and
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then go into Zack Greger's Resident Evil.
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I'm here for it.
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Yeah, I really wasn't expecting some of the full on
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body horror that we were getting and just some of
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the crazy mutations. Resident Evil is always known for its mutations.
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When Resident Evil Village was coming out several years ago,
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Lady Demitrescu, who is the giant vampire woman, for those
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who may not be familiar, but maybe you saw a trailer,
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the internet reacted to her in a totally normal and
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appropriate way. One of the comments I saw, because knowing
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Resident Evil, they're like, oh, I can't wait to see
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what crazy, insane, mutated monster she turns into. Because fighting
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a giant vampire lady would be super cool on its own.
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But this is Resident Evil. This is Capcom. We know
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they get something weird. And I won't spoil what that is.
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But when you do battle her, it does get weird.
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And this movie really encapsulates that. So we see these mutations.
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We see these zombies sort of morph together. And Josh,
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00:31:14.029 --> 00:31:17.400
you're better versed in monster and zombie films more so
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than me. When some of these things were happening... From
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the gaming lens, it kind of reminded me a little
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bit of The Last of Us and how the Cordyceps
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sort of would communicate and draw into each other. But
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did this remind you of any particular classic monster or
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zombie movies in the way that these monsters were behaving?
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I mean, I've already brought up the thing. I think
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that's probably what this movie reminded me of. most especially
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the fact that like the closer you got into raccoon
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city and the more that you would actually see certain
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aspects of it the more it was this like well
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shoot anyone could really be this monster anyone could be
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infected with this disease and it's kind of really what
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that reminded me of the way that you know i
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think about that scene from the the thing where they're
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all kind of sitting around the cabin and they're all
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trying to figure out who has actually been infected. I,
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that's kind of the one that really struck me. Um, most,
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there were a couple of scenes that I feel like
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really surprised me. Uh, the sewer scene really surprised me.
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The kind of, the gentleman down there just kind of
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Jerry tall. They're just, just out, outpours like a thousand
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rats out of this dude. Um, but yeah, no, the
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thing is kind of the, really the one that stands
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out to me, there's not really a whole lot of other, um,
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ones that I feel like you could do it. I'd be,
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you could probably argue for, you know, Cronenberg's the fly
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or even, uh, Vincent Price's version of the fly. I
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feel like there's another, uh, version that I think would
522
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be really good, but, um, yeah, I think this movie
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doesn't quite have the heart of something like train to Busan. Um,
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So it just kind of feels like some of those
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really classic monster movies where you kind of have that
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body transformation. It doesn't quite hit as stark as something
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like The Substance either. So I really would say either
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The Fly or The Thing are the two films that
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this film feels a lot like.
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I think that's totally fair. And I'm excited to see...
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Behind the scenes, I think there were a lot of
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digital effects, but I also wouldn't be surprised at the
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level of practicality that was used here. I feel like
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Zack Greger definitely likes to lean into that. What made
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John Carpenter's The Thing so fascinating and alluring is the
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amount of just practicality they used with prosthetics and making
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sure that all of these crazy things could actually be
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captured on camera. And that's something that I always super
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appreciate whenever we see that done on film. And a
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lot of this movie... just looks really good. Even the
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stuff that you can tell is more of an after
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digital effect. It still looks really good. And there are moments,
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I like to be respectful in the theater. I try
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not to like emote out loud, but there were multiple moments.
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If it was like a really shocking or like loud
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music scene is happening, maybe I'm like, oh no, no, no, no.
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Just like under my breath. But there were countless times
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I would just start shaking my head back and forth
549
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just silently sitting in the theater. And I'd be like, Nope, don't,
550
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don't do that. Don't do that. And the scene that
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00:34:48.260 --> 00:34:50.860
comes to mind is when he meets the little girl
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in the RV and she is scared and you're scared
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for her. And then he notices her foot and her
554
00:34:58.090 --> 00:35:02.210
foot has just totally mutated. And as a resident evil fan,
555
00:35:02.530 --> 00:35:05.110
that's something that I wasn't really used to because usually
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they get bit and then they turn, but you don't,
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really see that frequently where she has her faculty still
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and she's still a young person and is having you
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know these these issues and she's very scared and you
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want to care for her um but then you can
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see that she's infected and then you get the jump
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scare of her you know jumping and attacking him and
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then her face just fully opens up and it's just
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a full monster and then he he gets her with
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a shotgun and blasts her head off and it's uh
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it goes from like Really endearing to really sad to
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really scary to really like, oh, my God, I can't
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believe that just happened. And it just perfectly goes through
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all the emotions that Brian is feeling in that moment.
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I think the audience is really going to be feeling
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them very intensely as well.
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I think that scene in particular strike short strikes me
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a little bit differently now. If you guys have been
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listening to my other podcast, Bigger Boat, obviously, you know
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that my partner and I, she, I have taken a
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role within the likes of her kids. And so like,
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I feel very differently now about kids than I did,
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00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.369
you know, a year ago when we were, you know,
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podcasting about some things like that. So that scene, like
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you're talking about, it is really endearing. And you can
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see that like, his voice kind of like goes up
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a little bit and he's like trying to be like super,
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you know, here he is in the midst of all
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of this chaos. And yes, he's scared, but like also
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at the same time, like he is trying to be
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a compassionate human being. And the moment that camera kind
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of pans down towards the floor and you just see
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the foot going in these.
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Tentacle positions, type of things that's just wrapped around the
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toilet not only was it a cool effect but like
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you couldn't help but in that moment be like ah.
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Shit i don't necessarily know what i would do in
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this situation but um i am backing up extremely fast
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and i am getting the he double hockey sticks the
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heck out of there.
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Absolutely agreed. That went from just being like, oh, like,
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this is sweet. And like, we have to help her
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to like, oh, my God, this is the most terrifying
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moment ever. And I like there are multiple moments. And again,
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our character just being a regular guy, which Austin Abrams
601
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:48.199
plays so well in a video game. There were like
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side quests in this movie where he goes to retrieve something.
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And it could be, you know, the keys to the
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00:37:54.289 --> 00:37:56.610
car are a good example. So he meets up with
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these two Umbrella Corporation employees, which let's break that down
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real quick. So for anyone who is either has only
607
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watched this movie and that's all you know about Resident Evil,
608
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or if you need a refresher, the Umbrella Corporation is
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the entity in the Resident Evil universe from the very
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first video game. And they've been relevant throughout. All of
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the games, the movies from the 2000s are all there. Basically,
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they market themselves as a like biotech company. They deal
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in pharmaceuticals. They're committed to, you know, their front facing
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side of them is we're creating these cosmetics, make you
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look younger, make you live longer, you know, help you
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be healthier. When in actuality, they are securing these contracts
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from the government to get funding for to test um
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bioweaponry and bioengineering and you know they have all these
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government contracts so we don't really go into that in
620
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this movie which um again i like because we're just
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following this regular guy who's going to get just bits
622
00:39:05.690 --> 00:39:08.570
and pieces of this right he's not researching to take
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00:39:08.650 --> 00:39:11.030
down umbrella like some of the characters in the games
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are he is just a bystander in a lot of
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this that's going on so umbrella has a very large
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lab underneath Raccoon City. That's where the T-virus was sort
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of researched and manifested in the film with Mia Jovovich.
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it's called The Hive. That was more so created for
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that movie. As far as I know, the games don't
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really reference The Hive, but there's always some kind of
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underground lab, whether it's underneath the Spencer Mansion, which is
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where the first video game takes place, or in other
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areas across Raccoon City. So all that being said, that's
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your background on Umbrella. They developed the T-virus. The T-virus
635
00:39:56.260 --> 00:39:59.099
is supposed to help people live forever, live longer. The
636
00:39:59.179 --> 00:40:03.349
only issue is it makes you want to eat people,
637
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and it basically brings you down to your most basic needs,
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hunger being one of them. So This movie brings it
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in to an area where it's much more body horror
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like we saw. We saw the virus and the zombies
641
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:24.460
move and operate in very different ways. We see that
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if you kill a zombie, it's possible that they're just
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going to mutate with other around them and become a
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larger monster. So there's a lot going on. But when
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we meet these two characters who work for the Umbrella Corporation,
646
00:40:39.929 --> 00:40:43.349
which again... very funny because the guy is like, Oh,
647
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we need it. What you have is, is an agent
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to help us get a cure. And, and Brian's like,
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I'm just.
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A cure courier.
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Why would you trust me with this? And he's like,
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you think that's the only one we had multiples, but
653
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you know, don't worry about what happened. It's somebody dropped.
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It doesn't matter who. And Brian's like, was it you
655
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who dropped it? I think you dropped it. And that
656
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was just so, so funny. And then the woman I'm,
657
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I apologize. I'm blanking on her name. But she's so badass,
658
00:41:11.940 --> 00:41:14.480
gets out of the car. She's, you know, in Resident
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Evil mode where we're seeing her headshot every zombie. And
660
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:18.769
we're like, this is so cool. But then she gets
661
00:41:18.789 --> 00:41:21.590
taken down pretty quickly, too. Brian needs to retrieve the
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keys to the car.
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He goes.
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He's walking into this very dark area and he's just
665
00:41:26.849 --> 00:41:29.949
hearing these sounds. And eventually he's like, nope, I'm out.
666
00:41:30.110 --> 00:41:32.710
I'm done. And he never goes back to get the keys.
667
00:41:33.210 --> 00:41:35.570
And it's not like a level of perseverance like we
668
00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:39.199
would see. If you had an action star who's like
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ready to go and accomplish this goal, this is just
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00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:47.780
a guy who's trying to survive. And once he realizes
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what he carries, he wants to do what he can
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00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:52.489
to help and reverse all this. And he wants to
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00:41:52.530 --> 00:41:54.889
get home to his girlfriend. And that is his main
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motivations throughout this. And I just think that's really cool
675
00:41:58.730 --> 00:42:01.869
without it needing to be more over the top than that.
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We're seeing something that is very personal and very down
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00:42:06.489 --> 00:42:12.260
to earth to, to quote Yelena from Spider-Man brand new day.
678
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:17.059
It's small potatoes. It's he's a small potatoes situation and
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00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.179
we see, you know, what his priorities are. And, and
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I just think that's really cool. And I hope we
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get more Resident Evil movies and we can pull in
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more lore, but, to open up this universe with this.
683
00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:31.340
It's a really cool starting point for Zach Krieger to
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do it.
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00:42:32.909 --> 00:42:35.849
I don't necessarily there. So there's a lot to unpack there.
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00:42:36.230 --> 00:42:38.710
I'll kind of start from the very last thing that you,
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00:42:38.829 --> 00:42:40.909
you talked about. I don't know necessarily. I think what
688
00:42:40.969 --> 00:42:44.250
makes this so good is the fact that it is
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a standalone movie. I think also to the, while there
690
00:42:48.670 --> 00:42:51.650
are these nods to obviously, you know, you can't have
691
00:42:51.690 --> 00:42:56.090
a resident evil movie without the umbrella corporation and, Without
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Raccoon City, I think all of those are necessary elements
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within this movie. But otherwise, it completely strips it down.
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And I'm saying that strictly, again, not as a gamer.
695
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I'm simply consuming this as a lover of Zack Craig films,
696
00:43:14.630 --> 00:43:18.969
but more or less, I'm watching this as a horror fan.
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And I think what makes this film so brilliant is
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the fact that it doesn't have any of those larger
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ties to the franchise. And so I'm of this mindset
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that I think we've been conditioned as a film going
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00:43:33.099 --> 00:43:37.820
audience to expect everything to be franchises and cinematic universes.
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And I think one of the things that has made
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2026 so refreshing, especially for horror is that we are
704
00:43:45.650 --> 00:43:49.050
almost kind of feels like we're getting away from it, right? Like,
705
00:43:50.530 --> 00:43:53.010
when you look at some of the best horror films
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00:43:53.030 --> 00:43:55.929
that have come out this year that have hit a
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00:43:56.010 --> 00:44:02.570
mainstream audience, Backrooms, Obsession, Resident Evil, you can throw that
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in there. And I'll even throw this in there as
709
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well as probably one of my favorite remakes this year
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00:44:13.889 --> 00:44:15.949
that came out was Faces of Death. I was watching
711
00:44:15.969 --> 00:44:18.840
it before we started recording tonight. It was a great film.
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It had been shelved for a long time. Even when
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we're talking about films that have also been shelved, Coyote vs. Acne,
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I want to shout that out. Incredible film. But again,
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all of these stories are self-contained. They're not leading to
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a larger universe. Obsession, I think, is a really good
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example of that because it was a movie that was
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made for next to nothing. And then essentially... took off
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and now everyone's like oh we need a sequel we
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need an anthology series and it's like well like you
721
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could have all of that stuff and yes the the
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seeds are there for that but it's not necessarily a
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necessity to have that and so for me i would
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i would much rather this film stay a standalone film
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i know it's probably not going to be a very
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popular opinion but again I feel like we've been conditioned
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to expect franchises and cinematic universes. And when everyone else
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is doing that, Sony, PlayStation, do something different.
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Totally agree. And I love that when a movie can
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be confident in itself to be a standalone story and
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they don't need to expand on that, I think that
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there is a lot of power and weight that comes
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with that. Obsession is a very good example. That movie,
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One of my favorites of the year. I enjoyed it
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so much and did a lot of things really well.
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And I don't feel like we necessarily need more of that.
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And if we are going to get more of that,
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I would almost want it to be a like a
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side like spinoff, almost like how the Cloverfield like movies
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have done it where they're not directly related. But if
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you want to explore more, another unique story of someone
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else's experience with a one wish willow. I think that
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would be fine to do. Um, but obsession by itself
744
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right now just is a really cool story. Um, this movie,
745
00:46:25.849 --> 00:46:27.969
this resident evil movie could be a really cool story.
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I am curious, uh, is that Craig or would even
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want to do another one if he's given the opportunity to,
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I think that he had to endure a lot of
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pressure and, uh, hate from, uh, fans of the game
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who wanted it to be exactly like the game. There
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may be horror movie fans who weren't pleased for one
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reason or another. When you adapt an IP like this,
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there is so much emotional baggage that comes from 30
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plus years of gamers who, again, tend to react to
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things extremely appropriately and don't blow things out of proportion
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at all. And they'll Uh, they, they're not shy about,
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you know, sharing their opinions. Um, so this movie is great.
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Zach Kreger is great. I'm excited to see what he's
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going to do next. Um, I need to watch barbarian.
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Part of me wants to watch it tonight when we're
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done recording this, uh, if I can stay up and
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check it out. Um, because I, I like what he's
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done and I have a feeling I'm going to really
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enjoy it. And, um, and I think that will be
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really cool. So we'll see if this ends up being
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a standalone.
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I agree.
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I think it'd be great if it was, if they
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wanted to expand on it, there are ways that they
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could do it, but let's come back a little bit
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from these expanded universes, which I love my expanded universes.
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I'm a huge Marvel fan. You know, we all know
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this star Wars has been going for almost 50 years
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now and everything ever been made in star Wars is
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connected in some way to other star Wars. So I
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love it, but it doesn't need to be everything.
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No, so you brought up something that I think is really,
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I want to talk about for a second. You talked
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about the, you know, Craig has kind of talked about
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the pressure. Even when we're seeing the trailer slowly be
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released for this movie, you see just how the internet
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is reacting. It's incredibly, these fandoms are sometimes really difficult
783
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to navigate because they can be so toxic because we
784
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feel like we're so entitled to to get what we
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want and to make it all about ourselves. And I
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think when you enter into any adaptation with that, you
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really have the ability to potentially miss out on really
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fantastic art. And not only that, but even if they
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don't absolutely say it, like the people that are making
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these working on these, it's not just like, it's not just, Oh,
791
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this is Zach Greger. Like, yes, he was a co-writer
792
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and director on it, but like there's hundreds of thousands
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of people that are working on these projects. And so
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you're also affecting all of those potentially are affecting the
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mental health of hundreds of thousands of people every time
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we say something negative about these projects because most times
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people are signing on to these projects and they're really
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excited about it they're really talented about it there's two
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two projects in particular i want to kind of shout
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out um that i feel like have also endured this
801
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that have also kind of going through this uh you
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brought up star Wars. So obviously Abrams is like the
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biggest one to start off with. He, there's a, it's
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either Jimmy, he is, it was one of the late
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night shows. So it's either, it's either Fallon or Kimmel,
806
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but he talked about, you know, what was the one
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thing that was really hard when you were doing force awakens,
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he was like getting the story right. Like, I can't
809
00:49:58.420 --> 00:50:03.699
tell you how many times I stayed up and lost
810
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sleep because, you know, I didn't realize how daunting of
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a task this was going to be to make people happy.
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The second one of that is going to be Damon Lindelof,
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who was the showrunner on, currently executive producer on The
814
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Amazing Lanterns. Fantastic series. But he also was the showrunner
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on Watchmen. And he talked about that, kind of how
816
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daunting it was to take one of the most iconic
817
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characters comic series of all times and create something completely
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original with it and really actually build upon what Alan
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Moore did there and Dave Gibbons and I always tell
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people if you love the series come into this with
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a completely open mind because the places where it goes
822
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and the things that it talks about feels very modern
823
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but you also need to have a very modern open
824
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mind in order to let it affect you And I
825
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think that same thing kind of comes into play when
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you're talking about this Resident Evil film. This is a
827
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great film. This is a great video game adaptation. This
828
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is a great Zaya Craig movie. This is a great
829
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horror movie. It's a great monster movie. Any way you
830
00:51:22.610 --> 00:51:27.139
want to phrase this, this movie is exceptional regardless. And
831
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I think that sometimes we... really do jeopardize not only
832
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the mental health of people creating these, these films and
833
00:51:35.929 --> 00:51:41.750
television shows, but also we rob ourselves of true great
834
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art by coming into these projects with assumptions and our,
835
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our own needs.
836
00:51:49.050 --> 00:51:50.849
You bring up such a good point. And that is
837
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such a cornerstone of the philosophy. When I encounter any
838
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of these works of art. And I think it's why
839
00:51:57.340 --> 00:51:59.139
I love so many of the movies that I do
840
00:51:59.179 --> 00:52:01.849
in the games that I do. Because even when something
841
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is not well done, it is still a labor of
842
00:52:05.489 --> 00:52:10.030
love of hundreds, if not thousands of people between writing
843
00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:14.659
and directing and acting, cinematography, costume design, hair and makeup,
844
00:52:15.219 --> 00:52:21.059
craft services, people scouting locations. There's so much that goes
845
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:26.570
into it that... the, the audience who has the audacity
846
00:52:26.730 --> 00:52:29.369
to leave a movie and just be like, well, that
847
00:52:29.409 --> 00:52:31.250
was the worst thing I ever saw. That was terrible.
848
00:52:31.489 --> 00:52:34.170
It's like, okay, you go, go create something then like
849
00:52:34.269 --> 00:52:37.469
you go do something. Don't just sit there and let
850
00:52:37.610 --> 00:52:40.010
content be brought to you. And then you're going to
851
00:52:40.030 --> 00:52:41.929
be there and criticize it. It's one of the things
852
00:52:41.949 --> 00:52:45.449
that I feel a little bad about working in games,
853
00:52:45.570 --> 00:52:48.809
media and reviewing and writing features about video games. I'm
854
00:52:48.849 --> 00:52:51.699
not doing anything. I'm playing your game and, And then
855
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.699
I'm regurgitating my thoughts on it. But I didn't do
856
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.559
any of the legwork to get the game out into
857
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.739
the world. Marvel's Wolverine came out a couple of weeks ago.
858
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.679
I'm having an absolute blast with it. But that game
859
00:53:04.739 --> 00:53:08.369
is getting lackluster reviews. People are debating it online. There's
860
00:53:08.409 --> 00:53:10.949
a lot of criticism to be had about what is
861
00:53:11.210 --> 00:53:12.769
what is going on with it. You know, is it
862
00:53:12.789 --> 00:53:16.349
a good game? Is it doing anything new or is
863
00:53:16.389 --> 00:53:19.150
it rehashing old tropes? I think it's successful in what
864
00:53:19.190 --> 00:53:22.730
it does. And it has so many people involved with
865
00:53:22.809 --> 00:53:26.179
it that who am I to criticize, you know, this
866
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:29.320
game like I'm and I'm having fun with it even.
867
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:34.889
So there's something to be remembered there. Very rarely will
868
00:53:34.949 --> 00:53:37.570
I look at a movie and be like that. It's
869
00:53:37.630 --> 00:53:40.429
hard for me to find a redeeming quality. Morbius might
870
00:53:40.449 --> 00:53:45.670
be the exception. But there are most movies that have
871
00:53:45.989 --> 00:53:48.409
something good about them. And whether it's the costume design,
872
00:53:48.429 --> 00:53:51.389
the setting, cinematography, like there's something that I like about there.
873
00:53:51.750 --> 00:53:54.510
And so I would rather lean into those positives than
874
00:53:54.590 --> 00:53:56.849
just be on the negative. Now, the nice thing about
875
00:53:56.889 --> 00:53:59.670
this is even though there are some very loud fans
876
00:53:59.690 --> 00:54:01.710
who are maybe going to be displeased because we're not
877
00:54:01.730 --> 00:54:05.010
getting a one-to-one remake of a video game, the Resident
878
00:54:05.090 --> 00:54:08.889
Evil film does a lot of things really well, subverts expectations,
879
00:54:08.969 --> 00:54:12.170
but in a cool way, and is just so much
880
00:54:12.309 --> 00:54:15.789
fun to be had throughout the entire runtime. And there
881
00:54:15.829 --> 00:54:18.010
was never a moment where I was bored or I
882
00:54:18.050 --> 00:54:20.360
felt like the story was lagging. The pacing is really
883
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.320
well done. So there's just a lot to enjoy here
884
00:54:23.420 --> 00:54:27.179
and a lot to appreciate and respect. And, you know,
885
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.199
we're calling out Zach Kreger. He's the most visible name
886
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.039
tied to this movie. But once those credits roll, you
887
00:54:33.139 --> 00:54:36.159
see all of those names. And I always try every movie.
888
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:37.920
I try to pick out, you know, two or three
889
00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:41.250
names that, Um, and just really appreciate and read them
890
00:54:41.289 --> 00:54:43.289
and kind of sit with that for a moment and think,
891
00:54:43.329 --> 00:54:45.010
I don't, you know, I never saw that name before.
892
00:54:45.110 --> 00:54:47.730
Don't know who they are, but that's, that's a title
893
00:54:47.769 --> 00:54:50.489
that I never even heard of probably, but they were
894
00:54:50.510 --> 00:54:54.280
involved and responsible for getting this movie onto the screen
895
00:54:54.340 --> 00:54:56.159
and allowing me to enjoy it. And I just think
896
00:54:56.179 --> 00:54:56.840
that's really cool.
897
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.699
Yeah, I agree. I mean, that's probably one of the
898
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.280
things that I think originally I got conditioned by movie
899
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:09.780
pass to sit through, um, credits and now it's kind
900
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.199
of one of those things where it's like, nah, man, like, uh,
901
00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:16.000
people worked their asses off on these things. And like,
902
00:55:16.059 --> 00:55:17.820
I want to make sure that they get the recognition
903
00:55:17.860 --> 00:55:22.639
that they do. Um, I agree with you, uh, when
904
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:26.150
it comes to, uh, reviewing, uh, I've been our resident
905
00:55:26.170 --> 00:55:31.349
film critic here for the better part of eight years. And, uh,
906
00:55:31.489 --> 00:55:34.750
I'm at this point, one of the primary content creators
907
00:55:34.769 --> 00:55:37.090
here at victims and villains. And so I feel like
908
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:40.239
really bad anytime that like, you know, it's like, Oh, well,
909
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.690
like this movie, I understand people worked hard on it,
910
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:45.739
but let me tell you why it's, it's not a
911
00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:48.420
great film. And I try to always kind of, even
912
00:55:48.460 --> 00:55:51.079
if it's a negative review, it's like, okay, well, let's
913
00:55:51.139 --> 00:55:55.920
talk about what made this movie also great. You know,
914
00:55:55.940 --> 00:55:58.079
I just had a chance to review legend of the
915
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:02.090
white dragon for reviews up on our YouTube now, but,
916
00:56:03.099 --> 00:56:05.679
For me, I think the thing that really hit hard
917
00:56:05.739 --> 00:56:08.679
was that the film just kind of felt incomplete. The
918
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.590
pacing and some of the narrative choices were kind of bad.
919
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:14.750
But on the flip side of it, it has really
920
00:56:14.869 --> 00:56:20.210
excellent fight choreography and has awesome costume design. There are
921
00:56:20.289 --> 00:56:23.010
redeeming qualities in any type of thing that you want
922
00:56:23.070 --> 00:56:26.110
to call art. And I think that whether you love
923
00:56:26.130 --> 00:56:28.110
this movie or whether you hate this movie, I think
924
00:56:28.150 --> 00:56:32.559
there is so much here that I think there's at
925
00:56:32.659 --> 00:56:36.500
least a decent amount here to really appreciate. If you
926
00:56:36.579 --> 00:56:39.239
or someone you know is listening to this podcast right
927
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:44.579
now and you're struggling with suicide, addiction, self-harm, or depression,
928
00:56:44.619 --> 00:56:47.599
we encourage you guys to please reach out. This is
929
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:50.780
the heartbeat of why we do what we do. Suicide
930
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.860
is currently the 10th leading cause of death in the
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00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:58.590
United States. And as of this recording, there are 132
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suicides that take place each and every day on American soil.
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And when you scale back internationally, there are 800,000 successful suicides.
934
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That is one death roughly every 40 seconds. So if
935
00:57:11.579 --> 00:57:13.500
you or someone you know is struggling, you guys can
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00:57:13.539 --> 00:57:18.219
go to victimsandvillains.net forward slash hope. That resource is going
937
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.440
to be right in the description wherever you guys are
938
00:57:20.460 --> 00:57:25.280
currently listening or streaming this. There you'll find resources that
939
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:31.630
include the National Suicide Lifeline, which is 1-800-273-8255. You can
940
00:57:31.650 --> 00:57:36.400
also text HELP to 741741. We also have a plethora
941
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:42.539
of other resources, including churches, getting connected with counselors, LGBT
942
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:49.590
resources like the Trevor Project, and also Veteran Hotline as well. Please,
943
00:57:50.730 --> 00:57:54.530
if you hear nothing else in the show, understand that you, yes,
944
00:57:54.570 --> 00:57:57.989
you listening to this right now have value and worth.
945
00:57:58.849 --> 00:58:02.400
We get it. Suicide, depression, mental health, these are hard
946
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.449
topics and the stigma around them doesn't make it any easier.
947
00:58:06.550 --> 00:58:11.329
But please consider the resources right in the descriptions below
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wherever you guys are listening because once again, you have
949
00:58:15.179 --> 00:58:21.300
value and you have worth. So please stay with us. Absolutely.
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00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:24.340
There is there's a lot to discuss and a lot
951
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:25.880
to debate. And look, even if you come out of
952
00:58:25.900 --> 00:58:29.420
this movie and you're dissatisfied or left wanting more or
953
00:58:29.460 --> 00:58:33.030
there's something that didn't jive with you. Totally fair, totally
954
00:58:33.070 --> 00:58:35.809
valid opinions to have. Let's talk about that. Like, let's
955
00:58:36.170 --> 00:58:39.250
have those conversations and let's debate, you know, what we
956
00:58:39.289 --> 00:58:42.809
didn't didn't like. There's a Zach Brafcoat quote that I
957
00:58:42.849 --> 00:58:45.409
really like from his Scrubs podcast that I really enjoyed
958
00:58:45.449 --> 00:58:48.929
listening to. And he's like the worst thing that can
959
00:58:49.010 --> 00:58:51.480
happen after you see a movie. is you go to
960
00:58:51.539 --> 00:58:54.500
dinner after and by the time you're seated at dinner,
961
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.460
you completely forget about it and you don't talk about
962
00:58:57.530 --> 00:59:00.230
it and you don't even give it a second thought.
963
00:59:00.650 --> 00:59:03.050
Even if you come out of a movie not liking it,
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00:59:03.510 --> 00:59:08.210
be passionate about that and and lean into that. And
965
00:59:08.230 --> 00:59:09.750
that's what Zach Braff said. He's like, you don't have
966
00:59:09.769 --> 00:59:11.960
to love. everything I'm in or everything I do, but
967
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.860
I want your passion, good or bad. I want your passion.
968
00:59:15.059 --> 00:59:18.300
So that's what I'm trying to get is an emotional response,
969
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:20.980
even if it's a negative one. And that is something
970
00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:24.320
that I try to keep in mind. And it can
971
00:59:24.340 --> 00:59:27.599
be frustrating. And Josh, maybe you've been in similar situations
972
00:59:27.699 --> 00:59:32.349
where you love something, And someone else is just tearing
973
00:59:32.389 --> 00:59:35.130
it down, tearing it apart, criticizing it. And it's like
974
00:59:35.170 --> 00:59:37.670
your favorite thing in the world. And it can feel
975
00:59:37.690 --> 00:59:40.369
like a personal attack, even though it's not. It's something
976
00:59:40.409 --> 00:59:43.230
I've been struggling with. I've talked with my therapist about it.
977
00:59:44.300 --> 00:59:48.059
It's a difficult thing. But I try to remind myself,
978
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.599
I'm like, one, not everyone has to like everything that
979
00:59:50.659 --> 00:59:52.519
I like. We don't need to be on the same
980
00:59:52.539 --> 00:59:54.989
page about this. But I do want people to be respectful.
981
00:59:55.289 --> 00:59:58.300
And I don't like when they start attacking me for
982
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.980
my opinions and trying to tell me that I'm wrong
983
01:00:02.059 --> 01:00:06.199
for feeling the way that I feel. And that is
984
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:13.409
where we go from having a lively and respectful debate
985
01:00:13.610 --> 01:00:16.550
to it being something where we're just tearing each other down.
986
01:00:16.730 --> 01:00:20.130
And that's where you kind of lose me when people
987
01:00:20.210 --> 01:00:21.710
want to take it to that level.
988
01:00:22.909 --> 01:00:28.820
So I've actually had that for quite a while. My
989
01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:32.710
favorite film of all time is Rob Zombie's Halloween II.
990
01:00:34.369 --> 01:00:40.929
And the amount of people that have criticized and bullied
991
01:00:40.989 --> 01:00:44.360
me over the years of saying, why would you like
992
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:49.920
something like this? This movie's absolute dog crap. And I
993
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.699
remember a couple years ago for Horrific Hope Film Festival,
994
01:00:53.739 --> 01:00:57.449
the film festival that we do here at Victim's, I
995
01:00:57.469 --> 01:01:03.070
had a chance to program it for its 15th year anniversary.
996
01:01:04.429 --> 01:01:07.210
And even better, I got to program the director's cut,
997
01:01:07.289 --> 01:01:12.300
which to my knowledge has only ever been screened like
998
01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:16.530
a handful of times on the big screen. And I
999
01:01:17.619 --> 01:01:19.780
shared the story of why that movie met so much
1000
01:01:19.860 --> 01:01:22.780
because the entire festival people would come up and be like,
1001
01:01:23.219 --> 01:01:25.280
why did you program this? Why did you program this?
1002
01:01:26.489 --> 01:01:29.989
And it's very similar to, why do you like this
1003
01:01:30.050 --> 01:01:31.889
movie so much? Like, why are you so passionate about
1004
01:01:31.909 --> 01:01:37.179
this movie? And when I became a suicide loss survivor,
1005
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:44.099
I had no idea how to convey into words what
1006
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:46.409
I was feeling. And.
1007
01:01:56.619 --> 01:02:02.420
I have always kind of turned to movies to kind
1008
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.690
of be that therapy for me to kind of work
1009
01:02:05.710 --> 01:02:08.329
through those emotions. If I don't, if I know that
1010
01:02:08.369 --> 01:02:11.969
something's wrong with me or something, I'm not quite myself,
1011
01:02:12.070 --> 01:02:14.650
like movies have always kind of helped regulate that for me.
1012
01:02:15.369 --> 01:02:22.119
And when Adam's one year anniversary came around, that movie
1013
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:27.179
had just hit physical media. And I remember going to Walmart,
1014
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.619
I remember buying it, and I remember watching it on
1015
01:02:30.659 --> 01:02:34.559
his one-year anniversary. And I remember, if you've seen that movie,
1016
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:41.719
then you know that the entire film revolves around the
1017
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:46.070
three main characters, Annie, Sheriff Brackett, and Laurie Strode, obviously.
1018
01:02:47.429 --> 01:02:50.449
Kind of working through the trauma of the events of
1019
01:02:50.469 --> 01:02:51.070
the first film.
1020
01:02:51.090 --> 01:02:51.260
And....
1021
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:59.500
I just felt a kinsmanship with their stories. And still
1022
01:02:59.539 --> 01:03:03.280
to this day, anytime that I get really sad, it's
1023
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:05.840
kind of almost this way of reminding myself that I'm
1024
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:10.519
not alone. But I think it's kind of fucked up
1025
01:03:10.659 --> 01:03:16.760
that we live in a world where like, you have
1026
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:20.840
to defend the art that you like and why, you know, like,
1027
01:03:21.300 --> 01:03:22.920
I don't want to have to be sad every time
1028
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:30.090
I talk about that movie. But it's something that happens
1029
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:30.760
all too often.
1030
01:03:33.090 --> 01:03:35.750
I've had an idea for a whole spinoff podcast for
1031
01:03:35.769 --> 01:03:37.110
a while, and I just haven't had the time to
1032
01:03:37.170 --> 01:03:40.679
do it. But it's about having the respect for all
1033
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:42.940
these different forms of media, even the ones that may
1034
01:03:42.980 --> 01:03:48.190
be brushed over. And the concept... is basically, you know,
1035
01:03:48.230 --> 01:03:51.250
working title. It'd be fill in the blank, saved my life.
1036
01:03:51.349 --> 01:03:54.849
And the idea is every episode we pick something and
1037
01:03:54.889 --> 01:03:58.050
then examine how did this save someone's life? Because I
1038
01:03:58.110 --> 01:04:01.570
think that, especially with popular franchises, it's definitely the case,
1039
01:04:01.610 --> 01:04:03.849
but it could be with anything. And I did an experiment.
1040
01:04:03.909 --> 01:04:06.980
This is like around COVID. I would go in and
1041
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:08.539
I would just do a Google search and it could
1042
01:04:08.579 --> 01:04:11.300
be Star Wars saved my life. And I would Google that.
1043
01:04:11.739 --> 01:04:14.579
And I come across Reddit threads. I come across blog posts.
1044
01:04:14.969 --> 01:04:17.960
and people who are in really difficult times, and they'll
1045
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.619
write and post about how the movies or the Clone
1046
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:24.599
Wars TV show or the video games helped them through
1047
01:04:24.619 --> 01:04:27.599
a really difficult time, and how that thing, as trivial
1048
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:29.960
and silly as it is, ended up saving their life
1049
01:04:30.019 --> 01:04:32.480
because it gave them something to focus on. I've tried
1050
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.940
this with Lord of the Rings. I've tried this with Marvel.
1051
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:40.820
I've tried this with DC. There are a lot of
1052
01:04:40.900 --> 01:04:44.059
different variations of this across the internet, and I think
1053
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:49.949
if you are someone looking for hope or looking for
1054
01:04:50.269 --> 01:04:53.869
a brighter light out there, even though this is, it
1055
01:04:53.909 --> 01:04:57.610
will initially take you down a dark path, try out
1056
01:04:57.670 --> 01:05:01.010
some of those searches, do it with your favorite fandom. Um,
1057
01:05:01.690 --> 01:05:03.769
it could be this movie or, or resident evil for,
1058
01:05:03.889 --> 01:05:07.530
for all, you know, but the point is, is that there,
1059
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.210
there's a segment of the population that trivializes media and,
1060
01:05:11.889 --> 01:05:14.019
We don't do that here on Victims and Villains. We
1061
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:17.300
live and breathe this stuff. We love this stuff. It's
1062
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:20.760
a huge part of our lives. It is not just
1063
01:05:20.820 --> 01:05:23.880
a movie. A movie theater is not just a place.
1064
01:05:26.739 --> 01:05:29.550
You have to get off my Nicole Kidman soapbox here.
1065
01:05:29.570 --> 01:05:36.289
I'm here to laugh and cry, but it's so accurate.
1066
01:05:36.369 --> 01:05:40.340
There's no happier moment for me than sharing a enjoying
1067
01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:43.389
a shared experience with a room full of people or
1068
01:05:43.429 --> 01:05:45.389
at my own house with friends. And maybe I'm showing
1069
01:05:45.409 --> 01:05:48.110
them something for the first time. And there's just something
1070
01:05:48.170 --> 01:05:51.469
really amazing in making those new memories like that. So
1071
01:05:52.210 --> 01:05:55.119
when there are people who try to tear you down
1072
01:05:55.179 --> 01:05:57.960
or make you feel bad about liking something or they
1073
01:05:57.980 --> 01:06:00.019
try to make you feel embarrassed for being so passionate
1074
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:04.900
about something, just like, they're just haters, man. They're just haters.
1075
01:06:05.469 --> 01:06:10.230
And it is hard to ignore and move past But
1076
01:06:10.369 --> 01:06:14.150
that is the best advice that I have is never
1077
01:06:14.210 --> 01:06:17.929
let somebody else ruin your good time or make you
1078
01:06:17.989 --> 01:06:21.210
feel silly for feeling excited about something. When The Force
1079
01:06:21.230 --> 01:06:24.849
Awakens came out, I got in the line eight hours early.
1080
01:06:24.869 --> 01:06:28.570
I was so excited. I bought tickets months ahead of time.
1081
01:06:29.050 --> 01:06:32.820
We hadn't had a Star Wars film since Revenge of
1082
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:35.760
the Sith 10 years prior. And I remember one of
1083
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:38.239
my friends showed up. and was just like, I didn't
1084
01:06:38.260 --> 01:06:39.659
think this was going to be that big of a deal.
1085
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:43.050
I'm surprised there are so many people here. And to first,
1086
01:06:43.070 --> 01:06:44.769
I'm like, how out of the loop with Star Wars
1087
01:06:44.809 --> 01:06:48.150
are you that you're surprised that this movie is doing
1088
01:06:48.250 --> 01:06:53.320
so well? But it's just, it was something that I
1089
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:58.760
spent years anticipating and watching trailers and planning my life
1090
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:01.840
around for someone to just show up and just be like, oh,
1091
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:05.300
this is, you know, whatever. And it's like, It makes
1092
01:07:05.420 --> 01:07:07.559
me feel like, okay, I get that you're not into this.
1093
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:10.820
Don't pass judgment on me for how into this I am.
1094
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.840
That's all I ask. That's my only request. And the
1095
01:07:13.889 --> 01:07:15.670
people that I keep in my life and that I
1096
01:07:15.889 --> 01:07:19.469
stay really good friends with understand that and respect that.
1097
01:07:20.190 --> 01:07:24.250
And it's something that I don't foresee changing anytime soon
1098
01:07:24.409 --> 01:07:27.630
because I love stories and I love fiction and I
1099
01:07:27.690 --> 01:07:31.969
love the different mediums that storytelling can take. And that
1100
01:07:32.030 --> 01:07:35.039
has always been a part of me. And it will
1101
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.619
always be a part of me. And it's not going
1102
01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:38.280
to be going anywhere.
1103
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:41.059
I'm going to take that and then I'm going to
1104
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:46.579
connect it back to Resident Evil. But I think sometimes we...
1105
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:52.480
I talked about this. So I attend a suicide loss
1106
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:56.360
survivor support group. And we had a meeting this past Tuesday.
1107
01:07:56.820 --> 01:07:59.760
And Um, there's a portion of it where it's kind
1108
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:03.579
of like AA where everyone's standing, you know, you'll stand up,
1109
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.199
but you basically, you introduce yourself, who you lost, you
1110
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:08.659
kind of talk about your emotional journey, where you're at
1111
01:08:09.219 --> 01:08:16.260
and your grieving journey. And I remember this past Tuesday
1112
01:08:16.300 --> 01:08:21.020
when we did it, um, that I had talked specifically about, um,
1113
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:25.930
it had gotten brought up in a conversation that, um,
1114
01:08:27.229 --> 01:08:36.619
we so often choose to just kind of really pick
1115
01:08:36.659 --> 01:08:40.300
and choose when you're, when you're a suicide law survivor, there's,
1116
01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:43.819
it kind of overtakes you. It kind of definitely changes you,
1117
01:08:44.470 --> 01:08:48.550
you know, for the better, for worse. For me, it
1118
01:08:48.829 --> 01:08:53.390
really rewrote my entire story. And I mentioned in that
1119
01:08:53.449 --> 01:09:00.250
perspective that As a result, I chose to have my
1120
01:09:00.289 --> 01:09:02.489
friends got pretty uncomfortable with it. And so I chose
1121
01:09:02.550 --> 01:09:05.479
to not talk about it. And I chose to just
1122
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:09.659
kind of let it be. And I chose to have
1123
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:14.260
the comfort of friends and community rather than actually allowing
1124
01:09:14.300 --> 01:09:17.220
myself to heal. And that's a really toxic place. And
1125
01:09:18.149 --> 01:09:21.229
I think in retrospect now as an adult, like you
1126
01:09:21.270 --> 01:09:22.810
need to, we need to be in a, in a
1127
01:09:22.869 --> 01:09:26.770
place that it's okay to allow change to happen and
1128
01:09:27.189 --> 01:09:30.819
allow some relationships to let go. And I think one
1129
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:35.880
of the things that we need to normalize is that yes,
1130
01:09:36.220 --> 01:09:38.460
change is scary, comes with a lot of anxieties. And
1131
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:40.439
in those moments, we say a lot of things that
1132
01:09:40.460 --> 01:09:44.329
we might not necessarily mean, you know, or we think
1133
01:09:44.430 --> 01:09:46.390
we say something that we think the other person wants
1134
01:09:46.409 --> 01:09:50.859
to hear so and so forth. And, for Brian in
1135
01:09:50.890 --> 01:09:53.489
this movie, he's on the verge of becoming a dad.
1136
01:09:53.710 --> 01:09:57.789
And I mean, that's, that's a huge life change. That's a,
1137
01:09:57.810 --> 01:10:02.859
it's a monumental life change. And, you know, so often
1138
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:07.479
throughout the course of it is she doesn't, he doesn't
1139
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:09.720
necessarily know whether or not he wants to be a dad.
1140
01:10:09.739 --> 01:10:14.130
And I think, um, it's, is it the scene outside
1141
01:10:14.149 --> 01:10:18.050
the elevator when he calls her, Does the voice note
1142
01:10:18.090 --> 01:10:26.680
saying basically like, hey, yes. Okay, cool. Yes, I didn't
1143
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.819
want to initially be a father, but you made me
1144
01:10:29.859 --> 01:10:32.399
want to be a father. I want a life with you.
1145
01:10:32.420 --> 01:10:34.100
I want a child with you. All that stuff is
1146
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:39.579
scary and change comes. So I think the connecting point
1147
01:10:39.619 --> 01:10:42.760
that I'm trying to say is be okay to like
1148
01:10:42.779 --> 01:10:47.010
what you like. And be involved in the fandoms that
1149
01:10:47.029 --> 01:10:48.630
you're going to do. Make the choices that you're going
1150
01:10:48.649 --> 01:10:53.689
to do. And be okay that if it means that
1151
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:57.239
you're going to lose friends along the way, that's okay too.
1152
01:10:57.340 --> 01:11:02.359
Because when one door closes, another door opens. And for
1153
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:05.060
all you know, there could be someone out there that
1154
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:08.850
could actually be incredibly better for your mental health. And
1155
01:11:08.890 --> 01:11:11.689
could actually be a better support system in the journey
1156
01:11:11.710 --> 01:11:12.229
that you're on.
1157
01:11:14.810 --> 01:11:17.949
Hugely agree. And I love some of the vulnerability we
1158
01:11:17.989 --> 01:11:20.390
get in this movie, too, particularly when he's leaving those
1159
01:11:20.430 --> 01:11:25.819
voice notes and voicemails. And we never we see a
1160
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:30.460
little bit of their conversations and talking together. But then,
1161
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.439
you know, the cell service goes down and everything is
1162
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:38.810
just going very badly. And that then leads again from
1163
01:11:38.850 --> 01:11:41.770
this like heartbreaking voice note he's leaving to a very
1164
01:11:41.810 --> 01:11:46.229
comedic moment. of, you know, the camera and intercom being like, hey,
1165
01:11:46.270 --> 01:11:50.289
like sad guy in the garage, like crying. He's like,
1166
01:11:50.409 --> 01:11:52.350
you got to use the stairs. Don't use the elevator.
1167
01:11:52.430 --> 01:11:56.270
Use the stairs. And and it's this whole thing. And
1168
01:11:56.350 --> 01:11:59.180
then we get to my favorite reveal of the movie
1169
01:11:59.569 --> 01:12:05.000
that Zach Cherry is one of the guys in the lab, which, Josh,
1170
01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:09.359
maybe you know him. He had cameos in the Spider-Man movies.
1171
01:12:09.500 --> 01:12:13.720
He cameo in Shang-Chi movies. He is in Severance, which
1172
01:12:13.779 --> 01:12:16.920
is one of my favorite shows on Apple TV. If
1173
01:12:16.979 --> 01:12:20.279
anyone watching has not checked out Severance, please do. I
1174
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.310
love it so much. Zach Cherry is incredible there. And
1175
01:12:24.829 --> 01:12:26.829
he's been popping up kind of all over the place.
1176
01:12:26.909 --> 01:12:29.909
So to see him in my Resident Evil movie was
1177
01:12:30.250 --> 01:12:32.109
such a delight. And I was really happy that they
1178
01:12:32.149 --> 01:12:33.109
got him to be involved.
1179
01:12:34.710 --> 01:12:37.770
I think for me, I love that scene too.
1180
01:12:38.250 --> 01:12:38.329
Yeah.
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01:12:39.590 --> 01:12:43.890
Just absolutely incredibly well shot the way that there is
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like this fluidity of the camera and also seeing how the,
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01:12:48.489 --> 01:12:53.689
the mist of the fire extinguisher also hides the, like
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01:12:54.170 --> 01:12:59.029
the transformation of Brian is so incredible. But yeah, I
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01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:01.500
love Zach Cherry in this, this role. He doesn't have
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01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:04.239
a huge, huge role in it, but he's very funny
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01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:06.989
with what he does do. And I also want to
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01:13:07.029 --> 01:13:09.850
shout out probably my favorite part of the entire movie.
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You mentioned it earlier. I did not respond to it.
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01:13:13.770 --> 01:13:19.880
But I got to call out Paul Walter Hauser. Incredible
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01:13:19.939 --> 01:13:22.840
guy in this movie. I knew he was in this
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01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:26.619
movie because I had seen red carpet footage of him.
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01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.180
And every moment I'd be like, alright. Every time we
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01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:32.600
would go to a new part of the city, I'd
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01:13:32.649 --> 01:13:35.550
be like, alright. When's he coming up? Where's my dude?
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01:13:36.390 --> 01:13:40.109
where's my boy and he is consistently one of my
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01:13:40.149 --> 01:13:45.350
favorite character actors he has been since i tanya and
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01:13:46.090 --> 01:13:48.510
he just sold the show for me here like austin
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01:13:48.590 --> 01:13:53.789
abrams is impeccable here probably the reason one of this
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01:13:53.970 --> 01:13:55.590
one of the reasons this film works as well as
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01:13:55.630 --> 01:14:01.569
it does paul walter hauser just absolutely just elevates the
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01:14:01.609 --> 01:14:05.510
comedy as well as zach cherry um hey crying man
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01:14:05.609 --> 01:14:07.979
in the corner Incredible.
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01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:14.279
It's so well done. I was not as familiar with
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01:14:14.539 --> 01:14:18.359
that actor, Paul Walter Hauser, but he stole the show.
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01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:22.039
He did so great. I'm looking at some of his
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01:14:22.380 --> 01:14:26.640
credits now through Wikipedia, and it's just, yeah, seeing some
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01:14:26.659 --> 01:14:28.939
of the stuff that he's done, kind of his history,
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01:14:28.979 --> 01:14:31.399
his legacy, and then getting to see him involved here
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01:14:31.470 --> 01:14:32.750
was just fun. I'm going to have to do a
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01:14:32.770 --> 01:14:36.270
deeper dive on him and see what other areas I
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01:14:36.289 --> 01:14:38.670
can see him in, because I really enjoyed his role
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01:14:38.710 --> 01:14:39.180
in this film.
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01:14:39.770 --> 01:14:43.300
I need to recommend to watch him in something like
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01:14:44.979 --> 01:14:51.939
either Black Klansman or the previously mentioned I, Tonya. Go
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01:14:52.020 --> 01:14:55.300
watch him in something where he's a side character, where
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01:14:55.340 --> 01:14:59.399
he's the comedic relief, and then go watch Richard Jewell.
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01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:05.430
Richard Jewell is a forgotten... little gem that was released
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01:15:05.710 --> 01:15:09.390
probably five five years ago at this point it's a
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01:15:09.409 --> 01:15:12.520
clint eastwood directed film but it's one of the very
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01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:17.020
few dramatic roles that he takes and it's based off
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01:15:17.340 --> 01:15:22.229
of the tells the story of the 1996 guy that
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01:15:22.390 --> 01:15:26.090
security guard that founds like the bomb uh and the
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01:15:26.149 --> 01:15:30.859
olympics Incredible performance from him. The fact that he was
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01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:35.079
not even in the conversations for Oscars that year feels
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01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:37.920
like a crying shame. He's so good in that movie.
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01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:40.199
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I haven't seen that movie. I remember seeing the trailers
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01:16:43.750 --> 01:16:47.210
for it though. And you just unlock that memory in me. Um,
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01:16:48.340 --> 01:16:52.180
And all those movies you just mentioned, Black Klansman and I, Tonya,
1247
01:16:52.460 --> 01:16:54.739
all movies I have not seen, have wanted to for
1248
01:16:54.779 --> 01:16:57.619
so long. It is up here in the Northeast. We're
1249
01:16:57.649 --> 01:16:59.529
getting a Nor'easter, and it's going to be rainy and
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01:16:59.569 --> 01:17:01.869
windy all weekend. I might have to dive into some
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01:17:01.909 --> 01:17:03.050
of these movies while I'm at home.
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01:17:03.909 --> 01:17:07.550
Do it. You know, do it at this point. This
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01:17:07.590 --> 01:17:11.000
movie is so brisk. It's so fast-paced. Did you have
1254
01:17:11.079 --> 01:17:16.229
a favorite... did you have a favorite like monster or
1255
01:17:16.289 --> 01:17:18.880
like transformation that we kind of got to see play
1256
01:17:18.939 --> 01:17:19.609
out in this movie?
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01:17:21.380 --> 01:17:27.560
I think the everything surrounding the farmhouse was really cool
1258
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.359
to me. And when he looks out the window and
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01:17:30.380 --> 01:17:33.560
he sees the woman that he originally hit is now
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01:17:33.619 --> 01:17:36.119
like running across the field to come get to him.
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01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:40.279
And he has to, we have the jump scare of
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01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:42.439
like the grandmother coming out of the shadows and He
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01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:46.460
kills her. He kills the woman. They morph into this
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01:17:46.619 --> 01:17:51.039
really like grotesque, awful thing. And then we see them
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01:17:51.579 --> 01:17:54.880
run out. And that's also I totally forgot. We see
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01:17:54.899 --> 01:17:59.050
their pet dog also be infected and also have some
1267
01:17:59.090 --> 01:18:03.689
issues with this virus. So that whole sequence and particularly
1268
01:18:04.189 --> 01:18:08.670
the monster where they combine into their, you know, the.
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01:18:09.300 --> 01:18:12.079
top and bottom are just both legs like all legs
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01:18:12.180 --> 01:18:15.149
they just all have so many legs at that point
1271
01:18:15.569 --> 01:18:18.210
that definitely sticks out for me.
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01:18:18.109 --> 01:18:22.289
Yeah I would say the final form of that creature
1273
01:18:22.310 --> 01:18:26.079
in particular how it just kind of like keeps evolving
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01:18:26.100 --> 01:18:30.600
I think the either it's that one's really gnarly and
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01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.319
then I wanted to talk about the talked earlier about
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01:18:34.420 --> 01:18:38.939
in the spoiler free section we're talking about the, how
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01:18:38.979 --> 01:18:42.539
this film feels like a video game, the elevator scene,
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01:18:42.659 --> 01:18:44.770
I feel like is the, the one that felt like
1279
01:18:44.789 --> 01:18:46.869
the most video game where you're like, all right, cool. Yeah.
1280
01:18:46.909 --> 01:18:49.649
Like I'm getting ready to go like drop off this vial.
1281
01:18:50.619 --> 01:18:52.699
and everything is going to be honky dory and then
1282
01:18:52.739 --> 01:18:57.279
you just start seeing like acid acid acid and you
1283
01:18:57.319 --> 01:19:01.409
have like the toad looking guy with the acid but
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01:19:01.430 --> 01:19:06.630
then you also have the farm concoction humanoid person like
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01:19:06.670 --> 01:19:09.840
that was probably like the dual nature of that was
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01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:14.659
probably my favorite scene of that. Also Paul Walter Hauser
1287
01:19:14.699 --> 01:19:17.039
being stuck in the middle of that was also very funny.
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01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.550
There's so many great moments and that's what this movie
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01:19:21.569 --> 01:19:24.329
does so well is it carries you from these like
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01:19:24.430 --> 01:19:27.210
amazing scenes and set pieces one to the other. And
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01:19:27.250 --> 01:19:31.069
the moments in between don't even feel, they don't feel
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01:19:31.189 --> 01:19:33.470
rushed and they don't feel like they're shoehorned in. They
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01:19:33.609 --> 01:19:38.649
really feel like a genuine, genuine, escalation of what's going
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01:19:38.949 --> 01:19:42.680
on with this character. And there's a moment that still
1295
01:19:43.100 --> 01:19:45.380
struck really well in the theater, even though I've seen
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01:19:45.420 --> 01:19:47.600
it in every trailer when he's running down the road
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01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:49.659
and all the zombies are falling off the roof and
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01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:53.659
they're crashing down and they are exploding. That's a scene
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01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:55.739
that I want to see behind the scenes footage of
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01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:59.840
because it looked like actual things were falling and maybe
1301
01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:03.359
like blood like bags were exploding or something. Those parts
1302
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:07.899
looked like more practical with maybe some, um, digital after
1303
01:20:07.939 --> 01:20:11.539
effects sort of embellishing it, but there's, uh, there's some
1304
01:20:11.579 --> 01:20:14.619
really cool elements to it. So that scene hit very well.
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01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:17.000
And a lot of the stuff in raccoon city, um,
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01:20:17.100 --> 01:20:19.960
I saw at a, one of the giant IMAX screens,
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01:20:20.380 --> 01:20:24.310
it's not the full IMAX aspect ratio, but it's just,
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01:20:24.409 --> 01:20:26.270
it's the one, one step down. So it takes up
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01:20:26.329 --> 01:20:29.710
most of the screen. It's definitely taller and it just
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01:20:29.890 --> 01:20:34.090
looked really, really nice. Um, and absolutely a great way
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01:20:34.130 --> 01:20:35.210
to experience this movie.
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01:20:36.170 --> 01:20:39.010
Agreed. I feel like I realized this when I saw,
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01:20:39.130 --> 01:20:41.670
when I got talked into going to see Nope in
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01:20:42.449 --> 01:20:46.710
IMAX a few years ago, the, if you could find
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01:20:46.750 --> 01:20:50.260
yourself at like the right place in the, in an
1316
01:20:50.340 --> 01:20:53.439
IMAX theater where you're like next to the speakers, but
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01:20:53.460 --> 01:20:57.100
like not next, next to the speakers. And you can
1318
01:20:57.140 --> 01:20:59.319
kind of have that balance to where you're like in,
1319
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:04.380
you see the screen, like, that immersiveness like enhance, like
1320
01:21:04.579 --> 01:21:09.199
intensifies everything. Like so many of the, the raccoon city
1321
01:21:09.260 --> 01:21:13.560
scenes because of where I was at just felt like
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01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:19.609
they were intensified that much more because of like hearing
1323
01:21:19.909 --> 01:21:21.909
all of the things in the background and the way
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01:21:21.949 --> 01:21:24.609
that the IMAX is like, you can like pick out
1325
01:21:24.890 --> 01:21:28.250
some of the background noise. And then like, also you
1326
01:21:28.289 --> 01:21:31.420
have like the, the regular noise going like it's super
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01:21:31.460 --> 01:21:34.619
creepy and it's it does work really well.
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01:21:35.220 --> 01:21:38.090
It absolutely does my imax cedar has like they call
1329
01:21:38.100 --> 01:21:40.750
them butt kickers it's just a subwoofer kind of connected
1330
01:21:40.789 --> 01:21:42.930
to the seat and um and it's great and the
1331
01:21:42.970 --> 01:21:45.409
seats were vibrating with everything and and all the the
1332
01:21:45.430 --> 01:21:48.529
surround sound was just so immersive um i am such
1333
01:21:48.989 --> 01:21:52.060
a uh an audio person when it comes to this
1334
01:21:52.180 --> 01:21:54.260
i have surround sound hooked up in my own living
1335
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:56.239
room i've got a sound bar in my game room
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01:21:56.649 --> 01:21:58.909
Eventually we're looking to renovate the basement to build a
1337
01:21:58.930 --> 01:22:01.409
proper movie theater. I want to do a full proper
1338
01:22:01.430 --> 01:22:02.949
surround sound setup down there.
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01:22:02.989 --> 01:22:03.529
And we do that.
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01:22:04.069 --> 01:22:06.060
It is so important to me. Of course, I love
1341
01:22:06.100 --> 01:22:08.840
a big screen of a large 4k screen is great,
1342
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:13.899
but you need to have high quality audio to get
1343
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:16.439
the full experience, which is, and like, I don't want
1344
01:22:16.460 --> 01:22:18.760
to shame anybody for their setups and everyone has different
1345
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.779
budgets and everyone has different priorities. But when someone tells
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01:22:21.859 --> 01:22:25.380
me that they watch a movie, but it's on their like,
1347
01:22:25.380 --> 01:22:30.619
32 inch LG TV with built in audio. I'm like,
1348
01:22:30.699 --> 01:22:34.579
that's not how that was supposed to be experienced. Not
1349
01:22:34.619 --> 01:22:37.960
to sound like Christopher Nolan, but I'm like, they're like,
1350
01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:40.270
come to my house and sit on my couch.
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01:22:40.350 --> 01:22:41.390
I'll make you popcorn.
1352
01:22:41.430 --> 01:22:41.770
We will.
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01:22:42.029 --> 01:22:44.890
I'll pull all the shades. We'll do a full cinematic experience.
1354
01:22:44.949 --> 01:22:48.350
And I promise you it'll be a much more fun
1355
01:22:48.390 --> 01:22:52.380
way to experience that film. Um, so, uh, but again,
1356
01:22:52.479 --> 01:22:54.380
that is a priority that I have in my own
1357
01:22:54.420 --> 01:22:55.920
life that I've always had since I was a kid.
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01:22:56.220 --> 01:22:58.260
I set up surround sound in my bedroom when I
1359
01:22:58.279 --> 01:23:00.619
was like 15 years old. Cause I thought it was
1360
01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:06.069
the coolest way to experience, you know, anything. And, uh,
1361
01:23:06.189 --> 01:23:10.810
and I've always been that way. And so, you know, it's, uh,
1362
01:23:11.029 --> 01:23:15.069
it's been good, but yeah, the IMAX theaters have, um, yeah,
1363
01:23:15.130 --> 01:23:16.750
they're great. And I go to, I like the Dolby
1364
01:23:16.770 --> 01:23:19.270
theater at AMC. Dolby has been one of my favorites, uh,
1365
01:23:19.539 --> 01:23:21.760
their audio has been really great too. So if you're
1366
01:23:21.779 --> 01:23:24.319
near an AMC or you're near a genuine, you know,
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01:23:24.340 --> 01:23:27.619
IMAX theater, either one would be really great for Resident Evil.
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01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:32.899
All right. What, where would this land for you on
1369
01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:34.079
the Rorschach rating scale?
1370
01:23:35.590 --> 01:23:39.050
I am going to go with four out of five Rorschachs.
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01:23:39.609 --> 01:23:43.189
I love this movie. I thought it was great. It's,
1372
01:23:43.649 --> 01:23:45.630
it's a high score. I know it's a high score.
1373
01:23:45.850 --> 01:23:46.770
I think it deserves it though.
1374
01:23:47.670 --> 01:23:52.300
I'm going to go 4.5. I also think this movie
1375
01:23:52.340 --> 01:23:55.010
deserves it. I think that's the thing about Zach Kroeger, though,
1376
01:23:55.329 --> 01:23:58.449
as a director. I was thinking about this on my
1377
01:23:58.550 --> 01:24:01.430
drive home the other night. Every movie I've ever seen
1378
01:24:01.470 --> 01:24:05.189
from him is either a 4 or a 4.5. This movie,
1379
01:24:05.229 --> 01:24:08.680
I think, really is on par with Barbarian in terms
1380
01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:12.279
of how it surprises its audience, how it keeps me guessing,
1381
01:24:12.779 --> 01:24:15.479
how it made me laugh, how it made me feel.
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01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:21.140
Zach Kroeger has the ability to really run the emotional
1383
01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:24.699
spectrum really well but also on top of that this
1384
01:24:24.739 --> 01:24:27.859
is an entertaining film it's a really fun film it's
1385
01:24:27.899 --> 01:24:30.649
a great body horror film like i'm so like happy
1386
01:24:30.710 --> 01:24:33.930
to see body horror be like making a comeback and
1387
01:24:33.970 --> 01:24:37.909
that like larger ips like resident evil and studios like
1388
01:24:37.970 --> 01:24:40.270
sony are the ones backing.
1389
01:24:39.930 --> 01:24:44.970
It absolutely um it's so cool i hope that this
1390
01:24:45.250 --> 01:24:49.159
motivates and creates a a conversation to be able to
1391
01:24:49.220 --> 01:24:52.789
have more of these types of films. And maybe if
1392
01:24:52.829 --> 01:24:56.170
there are scripts out there that potentially could have been
1393
01:24:56.210 --> 01:24:58.949
passed over, maybe studio executives will look at them a
1394
01:24:58.989 --> 01:25:01.510
little bit closer after we see the success of this movie.
1395
01:25:01.630 --> 01:25:06.010
So there's a domino effect that we might see, you know,
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01:25:06.029 --> 01:25:08.850
over the next couple of years from this. That's exactly
1397
01:25:09.220 --> 01:25:13.460
why a film like the original alien was, got made
1398
01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:16.760
and was released in 1979 because, Because Star Wars was
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01:25:16.770 --> 01:25:19.500
such a big hit. And so 20th Century Fox said, okay,
1400
01:25:20.060 --> 01:25:22.319
what do we have? What scripts do we have that
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01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.220
are like Star Wars? And the script for Alien happened
1402
01:25:25.260 --> 01:25:27.840
to be on the desk at that time. And they said, okay,
1403
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:30.619
this is great. Space and sci-fi. People love it. People
1404
01:25:30.659 --> 01:25:33.239
are hot on it. Let's go make this movie. And
1405
01:25:33.260 --> 01:25:37.170
we got Alien. So that's a Star Wars trivia. Which, again,
1406
01:25:37.229 --> 01:25:41.010
next year, 50th anniversary of Star Wars. I'm not positive
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01:25:41.029 --> 01:25:43.470
what I'm going to be doing to celebrate all year long.
1408
01:25:43.510 --> 01:25:45.939
But I'm definitely going to be doing... a variety of things,
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01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:47.760
whether it's coming on here to talk about it, whether
1410
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:49.899
it's launching my own thing to talk about it, but
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01:25:50.060 --> 01:25:52.699
you'll get more fun facts like that from me as
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01:25:52.739 --> 01:25:57.090
we spend all of 2027 celebrating star Wars. So stay
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tuned for that. Cause I'm pretty excited.
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I did not actually realize that. That's, that's really freaking
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awesome though. Yeah. So again, just kind of like a
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few like housekeeping things for audiences, listeners. If you guys
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are watching this, We will be putting up an audio
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version of it this Sunday on our main feed, Victims
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and Villains. So whether you're an Apple podcast or a
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Spotify or even Amazon or any number of other podcast platforms,
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go ahead and subscribe to Victims and Villains because this
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is going to be going up. This is also a
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part of our Pain and Purpose Tour, which is a
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multimedia tour that we're doing over the next week. Next
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date is going to be here in Richmond, Virginia. We're
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bringing our friends Prevalor through with support from Catharsis, Arteries
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Like Estuaries, and Abissimo Onyx. I still have to get
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that name right. We'll be heading down to Durham, North
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Carolina to do Triangle Terror, which will be also bringing
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a panel with us as well. And then we're going
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to be we got a brand new episode of Bigger
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Boat coming on Monday talking about the Robert Pattinson, Chris Hansen,
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a biopic, primetime. And then we're going to be rounding
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it out with at Messiah University in Mechanicsville, Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania,
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next Wednesday, September 30th. So, Dan, with that said, where
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can people find you online?
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Uh, people can find me if you want to follow
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me on Instagram. Um, it is a private Instagram, but
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if you send me a request, I can approve you.
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It's DT rock nine one. I like to share stories
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and updates over there. Um, you can follow me over
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at tech Raptor dot net, where I am a staff writer.
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I'm working on an article right now, inspired by Marvel's Wolverine, um,
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about stealth games. Cause believe it or not, Wolverine has
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some stealth mechanics in it. And, uh, I have some
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thoughts on it. So, uh, I have my draft of
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that written up. I still need to edit, pull images
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and everything, but I'm hoping to get that up by
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next week. So keep an eye out for that. And
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if you want to hear even more of my podcasting abilities,
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I am a frequent guest over on the collateral gaming
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podcast with the fine folks over there, good friends of
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the show.
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And I.
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Am often the victims and villains representation when I go
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over there. So yeah, I plug this show and I'm
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over there and now I'm over here and I plug
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their show. So it's, it's just a very reciprocal thing
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we got going.
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Yeah. I love Ash and bone. Um, i'm not sure
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who's doing collateral gaming these days but um i love
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the collateral media dudes they're super go check out all
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their stuff they're they're great um and uh yeah i
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can be found uh also on instagram at captain and
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villains I've been podcasting with Dan for 10 years, and
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I think that's the first time you've ever thrown in
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your podcast, your Instagram.
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It's, you know, we're slow, slow baby steps, getting more
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comfortable being an online presence, I think, which is funny
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considering I've been podcasting for so long. But yeah, the Instagram,
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you know, we're doing more things with it. We're getting
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more comfortable and more active.
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Yeah.
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Um, but what I want to do, what I've wanted
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to do for a while, and Josh, maybe you can
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help me with this.
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Cause it's, it's such a thing.
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We say it collateral media says that anyone who runs
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a podcast is, you know, we're available on, you know, this, this,
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and this, anywhere you get your podcasts, you know what?
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I want to be available where you don't get your podcasts.
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So if we can make that happen, if, if we
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can like burn, burn this episode, do a CD and
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people can order it and we can ship CDs to people.
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If we can set up like if people have some
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kind of a speaker in their shower head and we
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can make it so that we come out of that,
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like anywhere that you wouldn't expect to hear us. That's
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where I want to be. Put us in shopping malls.
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Put us in a let's let's buy some ads before
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movies to show clips of our stuff. Like let's start
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showing up in places people wouldn't expect to see us.
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I think that's the next logical step here.
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I'm here for it. Ironically enough, Victims is working on
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a project where I'm not at liberty to say yet.
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But it may or may not involve burnt CDs and
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bringing it back to the era of 2004. So maybe.
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I'll tell you about it off air.
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I was going to say, this is new to me.
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I'm as in the dark as everybody else. So this
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is super locked down.
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Yeah, you guys can also catch my other podcasts that
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I do with my partner, my beautiful partner, Ashley, Bigger
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01:30:48.930 --> 01:30:52.029
Boat Podcast, as well as I can be found on Letterboxd,
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01:30:52.050 --> 01:30:56.050
where I'm most active on social media. It's at Captain Nostalgia.
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But until next time, remember to keep it classy and
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stay sharp when you're in Raccoon City.
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We stand, we plan it firmly. You should not quit.
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Lift the switch and pull the wires.
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Out. Ah! The radiation burns.
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Feeding us to a technological change. The fabric of nature
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To rewrite.
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Ourselves Listen me!
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Gone are the days of reason The enemy is here!
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Save us our connection!
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Enraged we're.
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All running
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And this is our second try!