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Henry Lee Lucas the only Texas Death Row inmates to
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be spared in execution by former President George W. Bush
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during his six years as governor of Texas. During those
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same six years, another one hundred and fifty two inmates
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were executed. Why did Bush commute Lucas's death sentence to
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life in prison just four days before a man once
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thought to be America's most prolific serial killer was set
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to receive a lethal injection. I mean, at one point,
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Lucas was considered a person of interest in around six
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hundred different murders. In nineteen eighty four, the Texas Rangers
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created the Lucas Task Force specifically to solve murders thought
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to be committed by Henry Lee Lucas, and they officially
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cleared two hundred and thirteen previously unsolved murders.
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Two hundred and thirteen murders.
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The Texas from forty states talked to Lucas about an
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estimated three thousand different homicides.
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So why did Bush let him live?
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Because even though Lucas had already been convicted of eleven murders,
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he'd only been sends to death for one of those murders,
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and his involvement in that one death row conviction was
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beyond uncertain. Lucas had been condemned to die for the
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killing of an unidentified woman whose body was found in
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a ditch in nineteen seventy nine. The discovery of this victim,
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who became known as Orange Socks because that was all
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she was wearing when investigators found her body outside of Georgetown, Texas,
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was highly publicized. The murder of Orange Socks would end
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up being featured on America's Most Wanted two separate times,
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and Henry Lee Lucas confessed to her murder four separate times.
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So he did it right? No, not likely.
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He was convicted of her murder by a jury based
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entirely on his confessions, but it does not seem to
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be likely that he ever even saw her, let alone
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had anything to do with her death. No DNA evidence
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linked him to the crime. Work records and a cased
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paycheck indicated that he was hours and hours away in Jacksonville, Florida,
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at the time she died.
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No witnesses linked mister Lucas to the crime.
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Only his confessions linked him, and by the time Bush
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had spared Lucas's life, it was well known that Henry's
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confessions were beyond questionable. This dude loved to confess to
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murder unlike anybody else before or since.
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He became known for a time as the confession Killer.
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Actually, he became known as one of two confession killers,
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the other killer being his former partner in crime, Otis Toole.
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Otis would end up being convicted for six murders, but
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like Henry, he would confess to many many more. He
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would claim to help Henry kill one hundred and eight people,
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and he killing another nine people all by himself. These
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two claim that there were members of a network of
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Satanic killers known as the Hands of Death.
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They said they would receive.
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Calls at payphones from an anonymous Satanic leader who told
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him when and where and who to kill to please
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Satan and bring discord and pain to earth. Today's tale
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is a very strange one. We know that Henry le
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Lucas and Otis Tool were killers. The evidence was there
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for sure for some of their crimes. We know that
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they traveled together all around the country for years. We
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know people did disappear and die in the places they visited,
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and we know a lot of people think they did,
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in fact kill far more victims than they were convicted
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of killing. We also know that they for sure lied
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about a lot of other killings. Today, I'm gonna do
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my best to separate as much fact from fiction as
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I can as I look into just exactly how terrible
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these two dirt bags were. On another bloody true crime
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addition of Time Suck.
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This is Michael McDonald, and you're listening to time Suck,
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your mistake to talk.
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Suck Happy Monday, time Suckers and meat sacks. I'm Dan
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come as the Master of the suck Verse, King the Suck,
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Holy suck Master, Prophet of Nimrod, and you are listening
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to Timesuck, and Timesuck has brought you today by my
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new Scared to Death po That's right, I'll sponsoring myself
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because I believe myself and because I gave myself an
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incredible sponsored discount. The first two episodes of my new
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paranormal horror podcast, Scared to Death, where I try to
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scare the shit out of my wife Lindsay with two
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allegedly true tales, comes out next week Tuesday, September seventeenth,
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at midnight Pacific time, Available on all the standard podcast players.
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You can watch the new show on the Bad Magic
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Productions YouTube channel. Check out our new bad Magic studio,
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different spot, different than this show where it's being a filmed,
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same little office area, different little studio, fancy cool little
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mural backdrop, all kinds of occult objects all over the
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desk linked to that in the episode description. And I
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had something happened to me last week that I think
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will will help me tell a better tale of paranormal horror.
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I'm a skeptical person, but I had something very strange
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and hard to explain and happened at the Rainbow Room
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on the Sunset Strip on August twenty ninth, where Lindsay
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and Ayah and my longtime agent and buddy Joe Eschenbab
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had dinner before my show at the Comedy Store in Hollywood.
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Showbies a very fun show, by the way, as were
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the Comedy Store shows and the.
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Hoya, which were packed.
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Anyway, I went to the bathroom in the Rainbow Room
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technically the Rainbow Bar and Grill before an early dinner
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around five pm. It's a landmark restaurant, no mostly for
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being a hard rock hangout for decades. Alice Cooper used
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to eat there all the time. Lemmy from Motorhead was
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there almost every day for the last two decades of
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his life, and he wasn't on tour. The guy from
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guns A rows his poison, Motley Crewe, on and on.
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John Belushi apparently ate his last meal there. Former Suck
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subject Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio had their first date there.
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A lot of history.
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It's a dark and dingy place with rock and metal
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and celebrity member Billie all over the walls. I mean,
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I'm sure you know a fair amount of people spent
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their last night there. Possibly people you know odd there
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and then died. So it has a crazy history. When
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we were there, it was dead. The bathroom is upstairs
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and there's a second bar. It's not it wasn't open yet,
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and I seen to be the only person upstairs when
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I went to the bathroom. In this little bathroom, two journals,
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one stall, sink to the right immediately when you walk in,
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very small space. I started using the second journal. Halfway
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through going to the bathroom, I hear the sink running
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full blast, which I thought was odd. You know that
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I suddenly noticed it and didn't notice it when I
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walked in because I had to walk right by it.
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I look over the hot water cranked all the way up,
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a little bit of steam coming out of the drain,
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and immediately think that, you know, that's weird that they
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would let their bathroom water get that hot. Looks like
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I could scald you. I finished at the journal, I
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go turn off the water. I feel spooked. I turn
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on the cold water, wash my hands, you know, go
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to the booth where Linda and I were sitting, and
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I'm still spooked, and then a waitress walks by it
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and I say to her, I'm like, hey, this is
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this is weird.
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But is there stories of like this place.
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Being haunted or anything? And I feel like a jackass
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even bringing that up. I've never bought up something like
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that to anyone in public before ever in my life.
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And she immediately cuts me off like it was a
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dumb question to asked. She's like, oh, yeah, well for sure,
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and then uh. I started to tell her, I'm like,
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this is so weird, but I was just up in
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the bathroom and the craziest thing happened. And then she
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cuts me off and goes, oh, the faucet, so clearly
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this has happened before. Fucking weird that she would just
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jump immediately to that. I get goosebumps, and then she goes, oh,
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was it on and I'm like yes, and she goes, oh,
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I got some stories for you, and then she runs
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off to do something and actually never comes back to
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tell those stories. Lindy didn't see her as well, so
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she wasn't some ghost or something. I think she clocked
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out and left. Maybe she just sees weird shit happened
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so much it's just not interesting to talk about for
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her anymore.
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So bummer there.
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But then after dinner, Joe and Lindsay and I we
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go upstairs to check out this back. I want to
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show them kind of how small it is, how weird
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it was. And then when I'm in there, I think,
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why don't I just turn on the hot water again
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and see if it gets that how cause I just
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thought it was weird how hot it was.
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I leave it up for about a minute.
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Doesn't get anywhere close to that hot, like, not even close,
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So what the fuck? Could there be some logical explanation
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for that? Yeah? Sure, I don't know, I guess so
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you know, But I swear I also felt like something
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was in that fucking room with me. It felt so weird,
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So spirit or not, I'm less skeptical, and I think
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that will make telling spooky stories I'm Scared to death
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is a lot more fun. So a good time in
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that way, I guess, But I hope it never fucking
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happens again because I didn't like it, So subscribe and
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tune in. Also, speaking of hard rock and metal, do
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you like Marieta Fuck?
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Yeah you do.
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Be sure to stick around after the episode today and
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meet Zach. Special treat for you the exclusive world premiere
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of a new song from Maretta. That's Joe Paisey's band.
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That's Joe Horsecock Johnson Paisey's band. Their new track, in
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Need of Better, was written, recorded, mixed, and master right
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here in CDA Idaho Pride. It'll be available to the
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general public this Friday, the thirteenth. Guess what, motherfuckers, You
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don't have to wait, because there's always special treatment for
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the chosen few. Spawn from deep inside in Imron's ball sack,
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you'll find a link to the unlisted music video inside
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today's episode description. Go feed your ear host, tell your friends,
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do us a favor. Even if hard rock metal isn't
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your genre of choice, click it. Every additional play in
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comment pushes that video up in YouTube's algorithm makes Joe
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Paisey's hard expand like the fucking Grinch in the Christmas Story.
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It makes it easier for people to find his band.
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He's really good promise. Uh so there's that and also
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so yes, so stick around for that. Some of you
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may have noticed the last week in our beloved private
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Facebook group for Timesuck to cult Tore the Curious was
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disabled put in Facebook jail. We now we're out. We're
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back out. Facebook recently changes community standards. The general public's
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increasingly delicate sensibilities must be guarded at all costs. No
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peanut but butter jokes, no showbi ish. What if someone
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gets triggered social media suddenly becoming very or Willian gota
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We gott to soften all the edges it's got around
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all the world's corners, you know, before someone falls down,
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gets a fucking booboo, gets aUI God forbid people just
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you know, avoid content they don't like and be fucking
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grown ups and opt out of groups that bother them groups.
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No one is putting a gun to their goddamn head
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forcing them to join. It's so ridiculous. I'm no fan
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of trolls. In mindless hate. I'm a huge fan of freedom, though,
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and I just prefer to let anyone say whatever they
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want to say and never attempt to censor them. I've
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never attempted to send her anybody but Facebook not my company,
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and I respect their right to decide how to moderate
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their own community, and they're deciding.
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To play it, you know, safer than I would prefer.
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So moving forward, we will have to keep things a
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little tighter inside the group. However, our time took discord
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as you know, not safe for work content extra channel
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as you can click to that on the episode description
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if you if you need darker humor than Facebook will
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now allow. Uh, just be sure to uh, you know,
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before you click that link on the time suck app.
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We know that the private Facebook group means a lot
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to a lot of you. You find solace whatever troubles
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you're going through. You made friends, had your gofund me campaigns,
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you know, uh funded, you know, you found important relationships.
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So we're gonna do everything in our power to keep
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it going. This community means a lot to us. Uh,
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So don't worry, We're not gonna you know, uh, let
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them take it away. We'll rebuild it if we have to.
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It's upright now. The Cultual and Curious Facebook page still
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has plenty of Edge of Time Suck related content. Also,
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by the way, just maybe less shadows of Paisy's massive
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horse cock and maybe less names about sticking bananas in
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your asshole that kind of stuff. I just wanted to
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update you and know that you know we're gonna, We're gonna.
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We're on top of it as best we can. Harmony
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Bella camp over here full time now, making sure that
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you know community is taken care of. We love you
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guys and want to make sure you get what you
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know you want out of it. All right, quick tour dates,
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then on to the Confession Killers. I promise Dolly Hall
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in Chicago's Friday the thirteenth's gonna be a fun show.
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Queena sucklendsay traveling with me for that one. Copper Blues
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and Phoenix next weekend September nineteenth to the twenty first
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stand up shows and Live Ant Hill Kids podcast on
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the twenty first, he leaving Indianapolis week after that. Home
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of Bob and Tom September twenty sixth to twenty eighth West,
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Palm Beach improv week after that Wednesday, October ninth, Side
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Splitters in Tampa October ten to the thirteenth, and then
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my new stand up special tape into the Crow Footballroom
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in Pontiac, Michigan, just outside Detroit, October eighteenth. Late shows
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sold out, only a few tickets available for the early show.
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Then Minneapolis the next night, October nineteenth, ten thousand last
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Comedy Festival. And thank you to everybody who comes out
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to these shows. I've been working hard to stand up
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for nineteen years, and I think I'm I think I'm
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all right at it. I think I think I'm pretty decent,
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and you guys are making me better. You guys are
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making me the best comic I've ever been to. Fucking blast.
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Thank you. Now.
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Now, le's see what kind of laughs week can come
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up with. Talking about two huge paces of shit time
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for the Confession Killers, Henry Lee, Lucas an Otis toole
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who were they? We're gonna try and find out today,
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but it's not gonna be easy, you know, because you know,
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one of the things we know about them both, as
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I pointed out up top, is that they love to lie.
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Henry in particular.
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You read ten different accounts of Henry Lee Lucas's life,
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and you're gonna get ten different stories.
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Why because every.
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Time Henry was interviewed he gave slightly different details or
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sometimes vastly different. The only story he couldn't seem to
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tell was the same story twice.
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So damn it. Why do murders also have to be liars?
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Why can't this suck be about two very trustworthy homicidal maniacs.
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Both Henry and Otis loved to shock and too disturbed.
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They love to fuck with investigators. They love the attention
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they got from investigators. You know, when they were able
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to convince them they knew how to clear up some
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unsolved mystery, they were rewarded with cigarettes, milkshakes, field trips
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to crime scenes around the country.
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Little uh, prestige, and jail.
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A lot of tax payer money went into flying Henry Lucas,
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in particular, all around the country. Henry was able to
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get himself out of jail with his confessions. You know,
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get to eat out at nice restaurants, sleeping nice hotel
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rooms instead of eating prison cafeterias, sloping sleeping in a
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tiny cell. I'll do my best to differentiate today between
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fact and speculation, but their stories weave so frequently back
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between the two it will not be easy. I'll try
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and point out when it'll be just flat out impossible.
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So let's start their tale, as we almost always do
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here at the beginning. Just like we know that both
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Lucas and Tool were killers, we also know they both
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had horrible childhoods. And just like we don't know how
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many people they did kill, we also don't know exactly
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how horrible their childhoods were.
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But if what we do know, and if just you know,
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some of.
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What they claimed is true, then we know that these
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two killers were made, not born, because the abuse they
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supposedly suffered by the very people who were supposed to
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protect them from abuse in life was at night Marrish.
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Today's time timeline will begin at the birth of Henry Lucas,
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run all the way up until he met Otis Toole.
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Then we'll back up to the birth of Otis, run
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back up until he met Henry Lee Lucas, and then
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we'll march forward until both of them were incarcerated for
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last for at least some of the murders they probably committed,
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and then onto their deaths, and then we'll bounce out
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and talk about their lives a little bit more.
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Does this sound good? Sound good? Trying to try to
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set it up for success? Okay, all right, good? Where
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everybody's right? All right, fantastic. Let's march meet sacks, Strap
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on those boots, soldier.
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We're marching down a time suck tipeline. On August twenty third,
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nineteen thirty six, Henry Lee Lucas was born in his
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family's dirt floor having log cabin just outside of Blacksburg, Virginia.
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Blacksburg is now the roughly forty two thousand person home
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of Virginia Tech. In two thousand and seven, it was
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the scene of the Virginia Tech shootings, when thirty two
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people were killed another seventeen wounded by a loan gun.
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At the time, that was the deadliest shooting carried out
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by a single gunment in US history. Sadly, that is
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no longer the case. In twenty eleven, Blacksburg was named
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best place in the US to raise your kids by BusinessWeek,
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and that same year the readers of Southern Living named
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it the best college town in the South. Blacksburg High
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School is currently ranked among the top public high schools
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in the nation for academics. It's a small city that
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has seen a lot of ups and downs. Lately seems
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to be up. It's been around for a long time,
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Founded way back in seventeen ninety eight, and Walt it's
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a home for higher education and civic pride today. Still
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pretty backwoods nineteen thirty six. Town didn't get its first
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police officer until nineteen thirty seven. Blacksburg was just starting
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to become modern when Henry Lee Lucas showed up, getting
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its first street lights in nineteen thirty five. At that
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time it had around fifteen hundred people and many lived
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in poverty. Many were still pretty hillbillyish, and the Lucas
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family may have been the most backwoods, most hillbillyus family
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in all of Blacksburg. Henry was born to forty year
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old Nelly Viola Lucas and thirty one year old Anderson
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No Legs Lucas. More on No Legs than that nickname
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in a minute, I say Nelly was roughly forty when
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Henry was born. That's a guest ofmate could not track
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down an obituary for her, despite a lot of digging.
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Not sure one exists, at least not one that exists online.
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By the time she died, Nelly was pretty universally hated
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by her family, and I don't get the feeling that
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anyone went out of their way to hold some kind
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of memorial service. So info on her is scarce. Most
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of it comes from Lucas himself. Sources list her, you know,
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anywhere from forty to early fifties at the time in
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Henry's birth. Her maiden name was Waugh, and unfortunately, there
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were several Waws born in the late nineteenth century and
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earliest twenty century around Virginia. If I had the guest
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based I want to can find, I would say she
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was born in eighteen ninety one, making her forty four
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forty five when Henry was born. However, she may have
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been up to ten years you know, younger, maybe been
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a few years older. She's trying to be transparent.
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However old she was.
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Nelly was the family's breadwinner, and she made her money
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as a prostitute.
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And she wasn't exactly a high end prostitute.
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She was a middle aged, not terribly attractive men as hell,
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working out of a dirt floor backwoods for Ginia. Cabin
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during the Great Depression prostitute not trying to get all
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high horses. High horses. There we go, making up some
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new words and judge, but I would have rather smacked
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my dick with a stick rather than take it anywhere
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near Nessy Lucas. But apparently she was fairly busy with customers.
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I can only imagine what kind of creeps these dudes were.
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I picture guys who would barely need makeup to play
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a zombie on The Walking Dead. Her customers would pay
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ten cents to come to the Lucas family home and
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have sex with Mama Lucas on the bed she shared
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with her husband.
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Awesome, so fun.
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And she had anywhere from nine to thirty kids depending
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on the source, and who knows who any of their
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real fathers were. Anderson played the part of dad, but
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birth control clearly wasn't something practiced in the Lucas household,
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and her uterus had his fair share of human tedpoles
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looking around base, mostly one on Henry would say later,
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but also occasionally corroborated by some siblings on their eye.
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And this is Viola Nelly.
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She went by both names fucking monster like somewhere between
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Casey Anthony and Joseph Fritzel on the How much of
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an evil fuck of a parent are you Scale? I'm
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convinced you will soon hate her, But first let's talk
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about old No lakes. No Legs was the super clever
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nickname given to Anderson by the townsfolk of Blacksbury.
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Because can you guess he didn't have any legs?
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Do you get it?
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Do you get how witty that is?
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He had no legs, so they called him Da no Legs.
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Oh man, I wonder what other cool creative nicknames the
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town characters had.
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Are you, hey, you running to Big Red? You can't rege.
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He's a big fella with red hair. That is why
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we call him big Red. Or what about very big
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fat gut? You don't know him when you see him.
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If you met a man with a very big fat.
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Gut, hey, you just don't met very big fat gut.
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Not to be confused with big fag gut or faggut
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or chubb belly or even kind of fab but more.
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Just chubby's side gut.
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I would love it if their nicknames got that specific,
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just that, Hey, have you done run into one eye
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is a bit bigger than the other bald head, flat ass,
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and someone somehow's kind of has like a small arms
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compared to.
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How long his legs are. You can't miss him.
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Just look for the guy that has one eye that
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is a little bit bigger than the other eye. And yeah,
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well you get it, you get it going now good?
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Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I got meeting with
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Rodney Bobby and Ricky Randy, the only two moonshiners here
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country with regular names. Sometime before Henry was born, no
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Legs was once the family's breadwinner. He was an alcoholic
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notics anderson who worked for the local railroad until he
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passed out drunk one night, fell on some train tracks
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and stayed there until the train did done run over
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his legs, and he spent the rest of his days
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being yelled at by Nelly and pushed himself around the
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cabin in a little homemade wooden with a broom handle.
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So you know, I'm sure he was in a really
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good mood, just all the time. Ah, Jimmy crack Carter,
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and I don't care, Jimmy crack card, and now I
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don't care Jimmy crack card and I don't care. Pushed
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my silver around the broomstick on dirt, Kevin floor in
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homemade would and Craig train S mushed up my legs
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while some dude folks my wife on my bed. So
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that's fucking sweet life, my god. According to the most
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comprehensive biography I could find out Henry and what info
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I could scrape together from a few other sources, Old
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Jimmy Crack no legs, lived in constant fear of Viola Nelly,
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who would beat him, and he let her run the house.
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However she saw fits, which was not good for the kids.
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Henry's childhood, if he's to be believed, was straight out
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of a horror movie.
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Henry's birth was.
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Not a welcome one because being pregnant and then having
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a newborn was bad for the prostitution business. Henry claims
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he was pinched and hit when he cried too much
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as as a baby, and rarely held in by his mother.
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In the cabin when he was born into Cavin had nolixsistly,
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no running water, just a woodburning stove. Nelly would cook
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meals for her pimp and sometimes also for her husband,
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and hardly ever for you know. However, many dirty kids
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were scampered about. According to family legend, when Henry was young,
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he got caught trying to steal scraps of warm food
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off of no Leg's plate, and he was beaten and
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then banished to the chicken coop, which became his bedroom,
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and from that point forward he would sleep out with
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the chickens. He was like, it's like he was raised
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more like a dog than a human. And I wouldn't
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even treat a dog like that. My dogs, Penny Pooper
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and Ginger Bell, they think that my bed belongs more
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to them and Lindsay than does to me. They fucking
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grawl me my own bed. Those pampered bitches. They live
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lives that Henry didn't even dream about. And I talk
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about bitches, that mean just Penny and Ginger was not
485
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all three of the ladies, all right. Henry supposedly not
486
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on the woodwork of the chicken coop when his teeth
487
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began to come in. Thought that was an interesting detail,
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not even a dog's chew tooy to work with. He
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apparently ate a fair share of lead munch of lead
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paint the chicken coop, uh, and that may have helped
491
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contribute to a low iq'd be tested later in life
492
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and have a IQ round seventy five, he inhaled toxins
493
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from the chicken shit, such as cadmium. Studies have shown
494
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that odorous compounds from poultry shit definitely induced DNA damage.
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No studies have been conducted regarding whether or not being
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forced to live in.
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A chicken coop a good few, because.
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You know, that's obviously fucking horrible to do to somebody,
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and so why would that ever happen?
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Why would the study even be done about that?
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By the time little Henry began to attend school in
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nineteen forty one, when he was five, he smelled so
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bad from living in a chicken coop that he was
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seated by an open window. I'm sure he wasn't ruthlessly
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teased at you know, or ruthlessly teased by the other
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kids at all, you know, the children of townfolk who
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called their his father no lakes. When the school got
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ahold of Viola and demanded she you know NeSSI, her name,
509
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sorry's back and forth at the time violin NeSSI, and demanded.
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She cleaned her child for school.
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According to Henry, years later, she stripped him naked, drug
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him to a pond on their property. Violently washed him down,
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held him under water, you know he thought he would drown,
514
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and then also molested him. And then she told him quote,
515
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they watched him to be a pretty smell of little girl, and.
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Then that's what we'll give them. Mm hmm.
517
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That's a quote I pulled from a from the book
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I found that had the most comprehensive looking to Henry's
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child that I could find. And I bet she did
520
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talk like that. Oh wow, I can only I can
521
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only imagine what kind of sexy talk she used for
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her clients. You didn't want your picker, suctor, What if
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you don't come in.
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The next two miss, I'm gonna punch you in your
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dirt button.
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Accurting to legend, Nelly put young Henry in a floral
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dress that belonged to one of his oldest sisters, and
528
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then she paraded him through town, bellowing to whoever wanted
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to listen. Look how beautiful my daughter is. I thought
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I had a son, but I guess that I was wrong.
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Nellie marched him all the way through the school gates
532
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and into the schoolhouse before stomping off back into the
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woods where she lived like a fucking troll and Henry
534
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had to sit in the dress throughout the whole school day,
535
00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.079
and then he ran home sobbing all the way, all
536
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because he hated it, and because he hated it so much,
537
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Nelly began to punish Henry this way all the time.
538
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According to Henry, she loved to emmaculate or emasculate the
539
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men who weren't her clients. I'm guessing she hated what
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she felt she had to do to make money and
541
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took it out on old no Legs and the other
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males in the cabin. Also, according to Henry, Nelly liked
543
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to have no Legs in the room when she had
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clients over and make him watch, oh fun.
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Oh Timmy kretcard. Now I don't care tim creit card.
546
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And I don't care Timmy creck card, And I don't
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care that my wife will take away my broomstick and
548
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beat me in my home if you don't sit on
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the dirt floor and watch her get fuck bother dudes.
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Fun.
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And then to punish Henry, she'd make him wear a
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dress and sit down to his next to his maybe
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dad and make him watch as well. If all of
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this is true, Henry is sleeping in a chicken coop,
555
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never eating a hot home cooked meal, being sat by
556
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the window at school because he smells like chicken shit,
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where he is undoubtedly being bullied horrifically.
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He was also a tiny kid, which would make sense,
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you know, when you're.
560
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Malnourished and he's being forced to wear dress and he's
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being forced to sit next to dad and watch random
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creepy dudes fuck his mom.
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And she hates his guts.
564
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:08.359
So his introduction to the world seems to have been
565
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a little bit less than ideal, even more fun. By
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his own account, Henry had zero friends. He said, even
567
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.119
his siblings steered clear of him because he was Mama's
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least favorite and if they were nice to him, she
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00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:23.200
made life worse for them as well. And then he
570
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met and fell in love with a local mule, and
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not a drug mule, like a mule mule.
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A donkey was his first friend.
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Could this story get more cartoonishly backwoods than sad? At
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some point during his first few years of school, the
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only thing I Hadry look forward to this is soeverydic
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of his laugh, because it's so fucking ridiculous. He would
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look forward to seeing a neighbor's old mule that lived
578
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on a friend of his dad's property between his cabin
579
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and the school. He stopped a pet and feed it
580
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each day, and it grew to recognize him and would
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look forward his visits.
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And he loved this mule, and this mule seemed to
583
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love him.
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And one day, because he no longer had any use
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for the mule, the mule's owner gave it to Hi Henry,
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and he walked it back to his cabin, you know,
587
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one day after school. And when he made it home
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with the mule, Mama Lucas not happy, according to Henry.
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When when Nellie saw how much this mule meant to
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her son, she went inside, grabbed a shotgun, came back out,
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walked up to the mule, shot it in the fucking
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face as it stood next to young Henry. She killed
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00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.839
the poor creature immediately, also drenched her son in his
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best friend's blood. And that's when Henry knew he would
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growup to accomplish great things. Can you right then and
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there he'd be either a doctor, or a college professor
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00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:36.960
or a lawyer. He'd becoming such a great start in life.
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How could he not go on to accomplish? Are they
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no that's when Henry was beaten unconscious. Henry said that
600
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after killing his mule, his mama backhanded him hard across
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the face.
602
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And yelled, what do you have to do? And go?
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Done that?
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For now?
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I got to go and pay someone to haul a
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useless carcass away.
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You worth a.
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Stupid little rat shit. Then she slapped him again, hard
609
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enough to drop him to his knees. Then she proceeded
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to kick and hit him with closed fist until he
611
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was unconscious. For the next several years, Henry or Nellie
612
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would beat the living shit out of heading on a
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regular basis, even beating him for leaving her room when
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00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:10.759
she was fucking client in front of her son. And
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then in nineteen forty five, when Henry was nine, Mama
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Lucas nearly beat him to death. Viola aka Nessy aka
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Satan's sidekick put Henry to work one day and a
618
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.039
fence run the property, And by fence, I mean scraps
619
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of old, half rotten wood clumsily tied together with barbed wire.
620
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.119
I climbed over or through countless fences like this when
621
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:30.680
I was a kid growing up in real, Idaho, playing
622
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.880
out the mountains. They're all over way out in the woods.
623
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:34.839
Just put up quickly, long time, you know, just to
624
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.960
keep cattle and sheep, whatever livestock creature you want from
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00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:40.680
wandering into or out of your property. You know, put
626
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:43.440
up to keep sweet lovable mules from wandering up to
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00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:44.559
your home and talking to your son.
628
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.480
Animals. You then, of course have to blast in the.
629
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.960
Faith with a shotgun, cause your kids should have never
630
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:50.640
loved the mule enough to want to bring home in
631
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:51.319
the first place.
632
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You get it.
633
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:55.480
So Nelly is having her son working on the fence
634
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.359
instead of going to school. That's another fun part of
635
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:00.279
that gets it makes some skip school for this. She's
636
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.519
fucking other guys in her marital bed as a perennial
637
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.119
contender for Mother of the Year does And when she
638
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:08.279
calls him into the house to do some work for
639
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:09.519
he doesn't hear her.
640
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:12.440
So she calls again. Still nothing. Now she's pissed.
641
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.720
She has a John halfway undressed wanting to get some
642
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.000
of that sweet mama lucas lovin. And now littl Henry
643
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.440
is fucking with business, so she have no legs go
644
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:21.839
find it.
645
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:23.680
But you know he's not able to off road it too.
646
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.160
Well, he's not able to broomstick push his little homemade
647
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.519
wooden wagon out into the woods very far as you
648
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.359
might expect. So she goes a looking herself, and she
649
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.240
grabs a two by four piece of lumber along the
650
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way to smack him for not running what she called
651
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.920
because you know what nine year old is going to
652
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:39.799
pay attention to you if you only beat him with
653
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.839
your fists and kick him, you know. Nellie finds Henry,
654
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.319
takes a baseball swing at his head, cracks him right
655
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.200
in the back of the head with that two by four,
656
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:51.079
knocks him out cold.
657
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.200
And she's lucky, that's all. She's lucky didn't kill him.
658
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:56.000
He very nearly died, because you know, he was an
659
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.960
extremely annoying and weak little child who just couldn't walk
660
00:29:57.960 --> 00:29:59.480
off a home run swing to the back of the
661
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:04.079
dome fence post. After teaching Henry a good lesson, how
662
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.119
dared he physically not hear his mother yell for him
663
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:07.960
to stop doing one chore and run in and do
664
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.079
another chore for her while she makes some prostitution money.
665
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:11.200
Nelly goes back to.
666
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Her john and then she doesn't notice that Henry doesn't
667
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.480
come inside that night. As she gets more clients gets drunk.
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00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.119
No one else notices the little Henry doesn't show up
669
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:20.319
at the home for the rest of the night. I
670
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:23.119
guess they forgot to do their nightly chicken coop check
671
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:25.920
make sure he's okay. It's almost like no one cared
672
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:28.759
about him. The next morning, Nelly walks back to where
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she had knocked Henry unconscious, finds him still laying exactly
674
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in the position in place where she had left him.
675
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Over twelve hours it passed. He's still out cold.
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When yelling and kicking him didn't wake him up, she
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had two of his older brothers drag him inside the cabin,
678
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and then they just laid him in a corner, where
679
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he stayed for two more full days before Nelly's pimp,
680
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.079
a man who went by the name of Uncle Bernie.
681
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.680
My god, this family is so fucking ridiculous. Uncle Bernie
682
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:56.720
takes Henry.
683
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To the hospital. Accounts of Henry's back with.
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00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.839
Childhood they feel like punchlines from a very dark version
685
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.880
of like Jeff Foxworthy's You Might Be a Redneck jokes,
686
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:07.759
like as if all of this is taking place in
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00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.160
some bizarro, evil parallel universe, some kind of stranger things
688
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.920
upside down version of reality where a dark comic named
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00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.640
like Steph Cox Scurvy instead of Jeff fox Worth. He
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00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.240
tells you might be a killer jokes instead of you
691
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.559
might be a redneck jokes. If the best parental figure
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00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:31.279
you had growing up was your mama's pimp and you
693
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:36.400
called him Uncle Bernie, you might be a killer. If
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people called your dad and no legs, and your bedroom
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was the chicken coop and your mama made you wear
696
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:47.720
a dress to school, you might be a killer. If
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your best friend growing up was a neighbor's mule, and
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00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.279
when you brought that mule home, your mama shot him
699
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.079
in the face and then literally beat you unconscious, you
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00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.839
might be a killer. Uncle Bernie laid the knocked out,
701
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.839
almost dead little Henry in the back of his pickup
702
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.000
truck because you know why, risk kim bleeding on the seat,
703
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.559
and drove him into town, where the doctor couldn't believe
704
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.079
he was still alive. He hadn't just been unconscious. He'd
705
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been in a full on fucking coma for three days.
706
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.160
Four days later he came out of that coma. Doctors
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had all kinds of questions. When had he'd been exposed
708
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.039
to lead when had he been exposed to cadmium?
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Did he live in an unsupervised chicken coop?
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00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.079
Henry, still greatly shook up by the head injury, was
711
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:33.880
two days to even attempt to answer the questions. And
712
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:35.559
now he was able to play dumb enough to convince
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them that, you know, sometimes accidents just happened, and he
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00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.519
was released back home. I'm guessing those Blacksburg's doctors weren't
715
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.680
among the nation's finest. Shortly after coming back to the coop,
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Henry began to suffer occasional seizures. Every muscle in his
717
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.839
body would contract, shaking and straining against every other one.
718
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.279
His eyes would roll up into his head. He would
719
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:55.519
froth at the mouth, let out little yips or screams.
720
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His body would twist and contort. His violent convulsions racked
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his small frame and left him aching for days in
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their aftermath. One moment to be fine, the next he
723
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.640
would be flopping around the ground, helpless and lost in
724
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.440
the black static of his own brain. The only good
725
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:10.240
thing that came out of this beating was that, you know,
726
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.640
Nelly was now afraid to beating that heart again. Uncle
727
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.039
Bernie convinced her she'd kill him if she did that,
728
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.119
and then she'd go to jail. Also, now that Nelly
729
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.319
was leaving Henry someone alone, the other kids felt a
730
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.559
little more comfortable not incurring her wrass if they've played
731
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with him, and he became, you know, a little more
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of a normal part of the family. The next year,
733
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.480
in nineteen forty six, when Henry was ten, he suffered
734
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.319
another horrific accident at home, a terrible knife accident. Fucking
735
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.519
around with hunting knives was apparently just a daily part
736
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of Lucas Cabin family life. Lucas kids would use them
737
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to whittle crude toys for themselves out in the woods.
738
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If the best toy you ever got growing up was
739
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.440
one that you whittled for yourself out in the woods,
740
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.880
you might be a killer. Lucas kids also used knives
741
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.960
to play fun games like, you know, see how fasting
742
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.440
saba knife in between your fingers game, and you know,
743
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.359
throwing in between each other's legs game. And they'd use
744
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.319
knives to skin the squirrels and rabbits they caught. Most importantly,
745
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.320
they use knives to settle minor disputes and have semi
746
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:11.280
playfuled fights. It was a fucking ridiculous shit show in
747
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.519
this cabin. All of the Lucas kids would end up
748
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.440
with Knie scars, but none would end up with more
749
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.519
than Henry, and he'd received the worst knife wound of all.
750
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In nineteen forty five, he lunged ahead at one of
751
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.800
his brothers during some kind of play fight, or maybe
752
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:24.880
it was a little bit less playful, just as this
753
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.440
brother stabbed out with a pocket knife, and the blade
754
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:32.000
caught him directly in his left eye, and according to Henry,
755
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.239
his eyeball popped and his eye goo ran down his cheek.
756
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He fell to the floor and had a seizure. And
757
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.679
then Nelly allegedly took one look at her son with
758
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blood and leaves kate to his face and said, quote
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ain't nothing to be done about it now, just don't
760
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.840
be stupid again, and then took a sip of whiskey
761
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.760
out of an old soup can. Uncle Bernie had carved
762
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.960
the words world's Best Mama into somehow, despite taking a
763
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.039
dirty knife to the fucking eyeball and then soil and
764
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.559
decomposing leaves it rubbed into the socket, water from a
765
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.719
stream being used to wash it out, no hygiene being
766
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:09.079
practiced by anyone involved the injury did not become infected.
767
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:10.199
I don't know.
768
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.039
Maybe he had a stronger immune system from living in
769
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.119
fucking chicken shit dirt his whole life.
770
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:15.599
And all this is true.
771
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.920
It's amazing that this dude made it to adulthood. I mean,
772
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.000
he did for sure lose his left eye as a child.
773
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.960
There are school pictures of him and all of a sudden,
774
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.400
you know, he doesn't have a right eye when he's
775
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round ten. Then also in nineteen forty six, he gets
776
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.599
hurt again. Oh my gosh, this this one is hard
777
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.840
to believe, but here's the story. Apparently Henry was sitting
778
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:35.559
in class one day when his teacher threw a ruler
779
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.320
across the room and a boy sitting behind him who's
780
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:38.599
cracking jokes and disrupting class.
781
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:39.639
And according to one of.
782
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:41.760
The sources, I found the teacher missed badly and the
783
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:45.440
pencil or the ruler, excuse me, struck Henry struck him
784
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.239
right in his fucking eye socket and literally stuck there
785
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:51.519
like some shit out of a B horror movie. And
786
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.360
the teachers pulled it back out some kind of weird
787
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.199
tales from the crypt scene. Then Henry's eye socket got infected,
788
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.000
and his eye socket would weep milky tears off and
789
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.920
on for the rest of his life. Nineteen forty nine,
790
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.880
Henry turned thirteen and puberty struck, and that was really
791
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.360
bad news for every small creature in his immediate vicinity.
792
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.239
We're gonna get even more backwoods. No mammal would be
793
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.599
safe from his relentless sexual attacks.
794
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:15.239
Not kidding.
795
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.719
Years later, Lucas would confess that his first sexual experience
796
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.920
with another living thing was not with the human being,
797
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:22.920
but with a squirrel.
798
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:25.519
Can it be more? He'llbilly.
799
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.559
And if you're thinking how does one even set about
800
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:32.239
fucking a squirrel, you're not alone. When I first read this,
801
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.840
I had no idea. I mean, they're so small, right,
802
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.679
they gotta have tiny little butts. You have teeny tiny
803
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.599
little vaginas well. Thanks to the power of Google, I
804
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.440
have an answer, and it is beyond disgusting.
805
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.199
Buckle up, meat, sacks.
806
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.400
This is terrible, but let's not be afraid to put
807
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.960
on a grown up pants and learn something we never
808
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.880
needed to know. Here is what an anonymous person posted
809
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.039
on a Reddit thread that I found when I googled
810
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.760
how do you fuck a squirrel? Skip ahead exactly one
811
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:00.559
minute right now. If you don't want to hear this,
812
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.519
I timed out in advance so you could tap out
813
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.159
because you won't be able.
814
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.480
To unhear this. Here we go, they wrote.
815
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This is something that caused my parents to put me
816
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:12.639
through almost two and a half years of therapy. But
817
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.159
when I was twelve, my cousin, who was sixteen, brought
818
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.199
a BB gun to my house to shoot into the woods.
819
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.519
When the gun ran out of bullets, he tossed the
820
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:21.119
gun down and said it was my turn if I
821
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.639
could find the bullets. BB's are impossible to find in
822
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:25.320
the woods, by the way, but while searching next to
823
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.960
my shed, I found a dead squirrel. I'm not sure
824
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.119
if the squirrel died from the BB or natural causes,
825
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.440
but I decided to pick it up anyways, I guess
826
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.000
as a therapist said, I should have felt sad or scared,
827
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.400
but instead I widened the anus of the squirrel using
828
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.960
a twig and my finger to the point of mutilation.
829
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.039
By the time I was done, the squirrel didn't have
830
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.599
an anus, but rather a large, gaping, very bloody hole
831
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.320
in his backside. I don't remember if I was horny
832
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.599
or not, as I had random erections at that age
833
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:56.360
quite often, but I proceeded to insert my erect penis
834
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.599
into the mutilated rear cavity of the dead squirrel. It
835
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.960
was during the summer, so the dead squirrel had been
836
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.840
baking in the sun, and I remember the hot entrails
837
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.039
feeling amazing on my penis.
838
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.679
Okay, so there you go. I guess that's how you
839
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:12.000
do it.
840
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.119
You don't use an existing hole because they are too
841
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.320
tiny you, so you make a new one. And that's
842
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.360
what Henry did, and that's what he did to other
843
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:19.039
small creatures.
844
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:20.679
He was able to hunt like rabbits.
845
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.639
My god, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the chuckle slut stage.
846
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:26.760
Steph Cockscurvey.
847
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.880
At the first mammal you made love to was not
848
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.599
a human being or alive, and you had to make
849
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:37.880
your own hole.
850
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:39.840
He might be a killer.
851
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.159
Nineteen fifty one, two good things happened to now fourteen
852
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.039
year old cycle path Henry Lee Lucas. He got a
853
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.960
car and no legs froze to death. Henry had no
854
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:51.599
love for his father, the man who never did anything
855
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.159
to spare him from a moment of abuse from his
856
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.920
horrific mother, and in late nineteen fifty, Anderson No Legs
857
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.400
Lucas dragged himself out into the snow late one night
858
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.440
in what seems to be a crude suicide of attempt,
859
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.559
and it worked. By the time anyone came looking for him,
860
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:05.519
he got in such bad hypothermia from laying out in
861
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.320
the snow that he died in the hospital days later.
862
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.599
This starts a new year, and a few months later,
863
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:11.639
after getting the money to pay for it by burglarizing
864
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.639
local homes with some cousins, Henry bought a car, and
865
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.880
by this time his hygiene had improved. He was no
866
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.760
longer sleeping in the coupe say he got into the
867
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.639
house somehow. Despite missing his eye. He was handsome enough
868
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.199
in his own way to convince the local girls to
869
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.280
go on some dates with him, but he wasn't able
870
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.199
to convince any of them to sleep with him, and
871
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:30.960
in his later years he claimed that this is what
872
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.119
drove him to commit his first murder. Supposedly, he took
873
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.199
a young girl who he never named, out to a
874
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.599
known makeout spot just outside of Blacksburg, and when she
875
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.840
wouldn't let him have sex with her, he snapped and
876
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.159
started choking her and He kept choking her until she
877
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.039
was dead, and then he took off her clothes and
878
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.599
had sex with her still warm corpse. And then he
879
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.480
drove her body into a remote part of the woods,
880
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.920
dug a shallow grave through her remains inside, covered it
881
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.679
up with dirt, and went about his life.
882
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.679
Now, wasn't there an investigation?
883
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.320
Wouldn't he be the prime suspect in the disappearance of
884
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.920
a girl he had just taken out to a makeout spot,
885
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:03.599
you would think, so, maybe he made this story up.
886
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.400
Maybe no one knew they were dating. Maybe they weren't dating,
887
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.280
and he just kidnapped, killed, and raped some stranger.
888
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:09.719
All we have for this.
889
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.280
Story is what he said about it to go on,
890
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:12.800
and he didn't say much more than what I just
891
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.679
told you. A name, Laura Burnley did end up getting
892
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.719
tossed out as the possible name of this victim years later.
893
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.039
Laura is only named on true crime sites I found
894
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:23.679
to be accurate some of the time, but not all
895
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.320
the time, like murderpedia dot com, just criminals dot info.
896
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.480
So who knows finding grave dot com did a list
897
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.119
or does list a seventeen year old Laura Burnley as
898
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.920
dying in March of nineteen fifty one, but it doesn't
899
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:36.880
show a tombstone or say where she died, and I
900
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.679
feel like it may be referencing those sites I just mentioned,
901
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:40.400
like murder Pedia.
902
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.440
So who knows.
903
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.559
Early nineteen fifty four, seventeen year old Henry gets arrested
904
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:46.719
for over a dozen local burglaries, and on June tenth,
905
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:50.239
he's sentenced to four years in prison. He's initially incarcerated
906
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.280
because of his age at the Beaumont Training School for Boys,
907
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.400
a juvenile correction center that changed names frequently over the years.
908
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.320
First opening as the Virginia Industrial School for Boys in
909
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:03.400
Beaumont Learning Center in eighteen ninety, it was located almost
910
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:05.719
two undred miles from Blacksburg, just outside of Richmond, Virginia.
911
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.239
The center closed his doors for good just recently in
912
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.239
twenty seventeen, and Henry stayed there was short lived.
913
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:13.400
He was intensely disruptive and rebellious.
914
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.639
He seemed entirely incapable of absorbing any of the lessons
915
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.000
that the school tried to instill in him. One of
916
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.280
the staff members would later describe him as a boy
917
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.119
gone feral. He escaped about a month and two A
918
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.480
sentence made it all the way back home to Blacksburg.
919
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.639
When he arrived, he met one of his nieces, the
920
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.800
daughter of an older half sister who had been left
921
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.119
in Nelly's care. She was twelve years old, and the
922
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.039
day he met her, Henry raped her out behind the
923
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.519
chicken coop and then threatened to slit her throat if
924
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.320
she told anyone. Not yet eighteen, and this dude was
925
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.039
already completely fucked. Anyone with half a brain could have
926
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.760
already told you upon meeting him that no good would
927
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.599
ever come from Henry Lee Lucas. After being victimized, he
928
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:51.559
clearly didn't think, I sure don't want to inflict this
929
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:52.440
pain on anyone else.
930
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:53.679
He probably didn't think anything.
931
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.239
He just saw the world as a place where you
932
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.400
violently took whatever you wanted. And of course I'm speculating here,
933
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.440
but I believe this. While his niece didn't tell anyone,
934
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.199
the very next day, the sheriff did pull up to
935
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.360
the Lucas cabin, figuring that's where Henry would return when
936
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.320
he escaped. No more Boys' school this time, Lucas was
937
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.079
now sent to the Virginia State Penitentiary in Richmond, a
938
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:15.159
center that also closed in nineteen ninety one, and Henry
939
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.920
loved his stay here. No one was making him go
940
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.159
to school, no one was trying to reform him. He
941
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.400
had a bed that didn't smell like chicken shit. He
942
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.880
was fed hot meals every day. A prison doctor even
943
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.199
had him fitted for a glass eye, one he would
944
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:28.840
wear for the rest of his life. So he looked
945
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.280
a little better. Put on some weight, and in a
946
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.400
way he started to look ruggedly handsome. Also started to
947
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:35.760
have sex on a regular basis.
948
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:36.239
Well.
949
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.280
Henry would always prefer to have sex with women when
950
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.000
that was an option. His true sexual preference seemed to
951
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.159
be just whatever was warm and close by. If something
952
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.840
or someone was alive or hadn't been dead for too long,
953
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.320
Henry le Lucas would fuck, hit him or her. Henry
954
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.880
became somewhat popular in prison. Compared to growing up on
955
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.920
you know, Mama Lucas's cabin a horrors. Back in Blacksburg
956
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.679
prison was heaven. The other inmates taught him how to
957
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.920
commit a crimes, kind of up his criminal game for
958
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:03.320
when he got back out, how to fight, had a
959
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.239
con and to talk to women. He even began to
960
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.320
write to women through a prison pen pal service. In
961
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late nineteen fifty nine DA, aged twenty three, Henry was
962
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released and instead of heading back to Blacksburg, he decided
963
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.519
to put some distance, put some miles between himself and
964
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.719
Mama Lucas, and he went to stay with a half
965
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:21.360
sister named Opal and to comes to Michigan in our
966
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.320
southeast to Detroit. Ople happened to live near a young
967
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:26.760
woman named Stella who Henry had been writing letters to
968
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.599
from prison. Stella was a hard drinker and not much
969
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.280
of a looker, according to one source, but she wasn't
970
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.920
abusive and she would have sex with him, and he
971
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.280
didn't even have to carve out a new hole to
972
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.079
make that happen. So you know, Shardie had a couple.
973
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.320
So Henry was in love. He had a job at
974
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.079
a warehouse, and the two made plans to get married.
975
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:44.920
And that winter he got down one knee in the
976
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.159
Michigan snow and proposed to sella after he picked her
977
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:49.320
up for the regular date, and she said yes, and
978
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.800
he was the happiest he had ever been in his
979
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.639
whole life, and they headed out to get thoroughly drunk
980
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.480
to celebrate, and of course they would not live happily
981
00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:58.039
ever after.
982
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.039
Later that night, Henry shared all these good news you know,
983
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:01.920
with Opel.
984
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.360
It's half situa while he still living with her, and
985
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:06.320
she was delighted to hear that her little brother finally
986
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.559
seemed to be getting his life on track. The very
987
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.800
next morning, Opel started calling other members of the Lucas
988
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.199
family to spread the joy. Word got back to Mama Nellie,
989
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.920
not pleased. She didn't even know that Henry had been released.
990
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:18.639
Didn't even know he had got out of prison. Life
991
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:21.000
had been hard on Nelly since Lucas had gone to prison.
992
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:22.920
She'd shot a client in the lake with the same
993
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.320
shotgun she'd used to kill that mule. And while she
994
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.039
didn't get in any legal trouble for that, word got
995
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.559
around and it was bad for her prostitution business, a
996
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.840
business that had almost completely dried up. Anyway, pun not intended,
997
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.400
but I like it. She was in her sixties by
998
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.360
this point. She was not a beautiful woman to begin with.
999
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.000
Her pimp uncle Bernie, had moved on, her husband, as
1000
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:41.960
we learned, had died, the rest of her children had
1001
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.480
either grown up, left the home, or run away, never
1002
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:44.960
to come back.
1003
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.159
She was broke alone, utterly miserable.
1004
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:49.159
She needed someone to take care of her, and she
1005
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:51.960
decided that's someone needed to be Henry, so she bought
1006
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.880
herself a bus ticket and headed to Michigan. On the
1007
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.760
evening of January twelfth, nineteen sixty, Nellie arrived at Opel's
1008
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.159
apartment into Kumsa. Opel told her mother that hen he
1009
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.239
was out at the bar with Stella, and Nelly went
1010
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.599
out to find him. Nelly walked in wasted no time
1011
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.360
finding Henry, telling him that no woman was ever gonna
1012
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.639
marry him, not after what he'd done to those rabbits
1013
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:11.559
and those squirrels, not after he had.
1014
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:12.679
Raped his own niece.
1015
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.639
Yep, she knew about all that held on to it
1016
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.679
like some kind of fucked up blackmail ace in the hole,
1017
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.199
and she started hitting Henry with a closed fist in
1018
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:21.840
front of everyone, told him that he needed to come
1019
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.920
home like he was supposed to have done when he
1020
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:27.239
first left prison, like he had promised. Stella tried to
1021
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.119
defend Henry, and Nelly cursed her out and then hit
1022
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.599
her too. Nelly was up in years but tough as
1023
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.199
mean as ever, and she threw Stella down, started hitting
1024
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.360
and kicking her. The bouncer had to pull her off
1025
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.159
Henry went to console Stella. She scurried away from him,
1026
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:40.639
told him to get away from her, said she could
1027
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.360
not be with someone whose mother was a fucking monster.
1028
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.159
And just like that, Henry's engagement was over. His mother
1029
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:49.360
had ruined his past and now she had destroyed his
1030
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:50.800
chance at a decent future.
1031
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.679
Please welcome back to the stage, Steph Koch Scurvy.
1032
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.239
If your engagement gets called off because you're ill, early
1033
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.840
mama beats both your ass and hers in a dive
1034
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:09.239
bar after telling everyone that you raped your own knees
1035
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.280
and had sex with rabbits and squirrels. He might be
1036
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.400
a killer. The bouncer threw Nelly out of the bar.
1037
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.639
She went back to Opel's apartment. Henry stayed until closing time,
1038
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.599
trying to drink the night away. When he returned to
1039
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.880
Ople's apartment late that night, he went straight to bed.
1040
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.440
Then about a half hour later, he claimed that Nelly
1041
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:27.360
attacked him, and.
1042
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:28.199
I don't doubt this claim.
1043
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:30.000
He said that he woke to Nelly beating him in
1044
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:31.920
the head with a broom handle, got out of bed
1045
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.039
a lot of broom handles, and so he got out
1046
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:35.639
of a bed as fast as his drunken stupor a
1047
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.079
loud and she continued to beat him with that broom
1048
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.599
handle until it snapped, and started beating with her fists,
1049
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:40.639
spit at him.
1050
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:41.280
Cursed him.
1051
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.719
Then Henry snapped right, grabbed the pocket knife he'd always
1052
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.039
kept on or near him, and swung it at his
1053
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:50.400
mama's head, jammed it right into her neck, and then
1054
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.840
Henry left. You know, she started to bleed out on
1055
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.840
the floor, she fell down. He he flees, drives his
1056
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.800
car all the way back to Blacksburg, Virginia. His sister
1057
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.559
Opal doesn't check things out until the following I guess
1058
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:02.320
he probably knew his best to stay away from Mama
1059
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:03.320
when she was all worked up.
1060
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.960
She finds Nelly laying in a pool of her own
1061
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:06.719
blood on the floor.
1062
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.639
The knife had just barely nicked and artery was still
1063
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:10.480
sticking in her neck.
1064
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.559
She was still alive. Tough focks these lucases.
1065
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.039
An ambulance would take her to the hospital, where she
1066
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:17.760
quickly died of a heart attack related to the blood
1067
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.360
lost in the attack. A warrant is issued for Henry's arrest.
1068
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.639
He's captured almost immediately, and just like that, less than
1069
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.440
a year after geting out of prison. He's backing on
1070
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.400
his way into prison with an even longer sentence. At
1071
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:29.840
least this time he wouldn't have to worry about what
1072
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.760
Mama would do if you got out again.
1073
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:33.840
Henry was tried for the second.
1074
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.239
Degree murder of his mother in March nineteen sixty sends
1075
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.679
twenty to forty years in the State Prison of Southern
1076
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.920
Michigan at Jackson. He did not initially enjoy his second
1077
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:43.719
church of prison as much as the first. He really
1078
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:45.880
thought he had a chance at a normal life Stella,
1079
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.039
and then Mama ruined that, And then Mama got him
1080
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.199
sent back to prison where she was still torturing him.
1081
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.519
He felt haunted by Nelly.
1082
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.880
He started hearing her voice in his head, asking him
1083
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.480
what kind of boy kills her own mother. Pretty soon
1084
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.320
his mama's voice was telling him to kill himself, and
1085
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.559
he tried to do us that. His first suicide attempt
1086
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:04.400
was almost a success. He fashioned a news for himself
1087
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.360
out of his bedclothes, hung himself in his cell for
1088
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.800
almost twenty minutes before patrolling guard noticed the makeshift rope
1089
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.599
he'd used just hadn't been tight enough to properly cut
1090
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.000
off the blood supply. To his brain, just interrupted it
1091
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.960
badly enough to render him unconscious, possibly at a little
1092
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:21.599
to the brain damage he'd undoubtedly already suffered when Nelly
1093
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:23.159
had hit him with that two by four when he
1094
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.639
was a kid. The injuries from his first attempt for
1095
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:27.960
minor now to the doctor didn't even report it. Too
1096
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.920
much paperwork, too much effort, you know, to set up
1097
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:33.280
a watch for somebody. And then two months later, though
1098
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.840
he tries again, Henry got the rope right the second
1099
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.800
time around. The sheet twisted tight enough to bite right
1100
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.039
into his neck and knock him out instantly, but a
1101
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:43.119
guard found him after dangling for about two minutes. This
1102
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.679
time his suicide was reported. Henry was transferred out of
1103
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.119
the prison and over to the Ionia State Mental Hospital
1104
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.239
in Ionia, Michigan, located about a half hour's drive east
1105
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.679
to Grand Rapids, an institution that's been closed since nineteen
1106
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.159
seventy seven. At this mental hospital, Henry received therapy. He
1107
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.079
was administered intensive regiment of sedatives to help keep him
1108
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:07.599
calm and compliant. He also received weekly electro convulsive therapy
1109
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.960
for what his doctors called schizoid delusions. Man was still
1110
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:12.079
talking to him inside his head.
1111
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:12.800
I bet he was.
1112
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.880
How could that evil meatsack not haunt you? Henry was
1113
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.119
also given a job he loved, working in the filing room,
1114
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.400
organizing the files of other patients. Privacy laws were a
1115
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.239
little more relaxed back then. The State hospital in Ionia
1116
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:26.760
was home to some of the worst criminals, not just
1117
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.519
to Michigan, but also from the surrounding states, Those who
1118
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.000
had committed crimes so horrific they were considered to be
1119
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:35.320
beyond the actions of anyone saying. A full account of
1120
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.519
every one of their crimes was contained within the files
1121
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.039
they were handed over Henry, along with the full explanation
1122
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:42.119
of all the holes in the criminal justicism that these
1123
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.719
criminals have been able to slip through, ensuring that their
1124
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.280
crimes freeze could continue long beyond the point that logic
1125
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.760
would suggest they could be stopped. So, sitting alone in
1126
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.400
the stuff he filed room day after day, Henry really
1127
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.440
studied for the first time in his life, and he
1128
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:57.760
got an education and how to avoid detection and how
1129
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.639
to avoid being captured. He figured out that moving from
1130
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:03.559
one state to another could completely throw off an investigation
1131
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.440
because different departments didn't communicate effectively with one another.
1132
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:07.519
If they talked even at all.
1133
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:10.800
He discovered that you know the various means of countering
1134
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.000
forensic investigation, destroying the body of a murder victim, moving
1135
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.559
them around to rob the police of corroborating evidence. He
1136
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:21.000
also learned that patterns were the enemy of every mass murder.
1137
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.840
Don't use the same methods to hunt and kill victims,
1138
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.360
don't dispose of them in the same way. That's how
1139
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:29.360
killers get caught. He learned that by moving around, by
1140
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.440
destroying evidence, by switching the mode of murder, he could
1141
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.159
keep the police from drawing any connection between his crimes.
1142
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.679
And he studied these files for almost a decade, and
1143
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.320
then on August twenty second, nineteen seventy, after only serving
1144
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.760
ten years of a twenty to forty year cents, Henry.
1145
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.360
Le Lucas was released early to overcrowding.
1146
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.639
He'd later claimed that the night he was released, within
1147
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.280
sight of the mental hospital in Ionia, he stole a car,
1148
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:54.920
met two teenage girls, who he learned into the car
1149
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.599
by promising them some alcohol. Said he got him drunk, strangled,
1150
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.519
and killed both of them before raping their corpses and
1151
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:01.840
dumping their bodies in the woods.
1152
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:04.239
Then he set out on a fucked up cross.
1153
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.280
Country Lucas family reunion bouncer from state to state, crashing
1154
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.719
with brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts, bouncing on to the
1155
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.119
next family member's home and he either just overstayed his
1156
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.519
welcome or re suspected molesting one of their kids, because
1157
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.239
he probably was molesting one of their kids. Very thankful
1158
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.679
for my family right now. Do I have relatives I
1159
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:25.880
find extremely annoying? Yeah, you bet do. I have some assholes,
1160
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:29.760
not not many, but yeah I do. But no molestee
1161
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:30.800
creeps that I know of.
1162
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:31.159
Anyway.
1163
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.639
I got a second cousin. He used to hug all
1164
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:35.679
the girls in the family. Little too hard, little too long,
1165
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:36.440
lit't too often.
1166
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:37.719
But that's it.
1167
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:40.599
No one Henry Lucas is that I'd be forced to say,
1168
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:42.000
stay the fuck away from my family if you don't
1169
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.840
want me to kill you two. Nineteen seventy one, Henry
1170
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:47.519
trying to kidnap a fifteen year old girl back in Michigan,
1171
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.960
telling her that her boyfriend had sent him to pick
1172
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:51.760
her up. She fled and reported him, and when the
1173
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.639
police found him, they found a handgun in his car,
1174
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:56.880
which violated his parole. This violation earned Henry a fresh
1175
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.000
four year stint in a Michigan prison, where he took
1176
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.440
advantage of the prison pen pal system again started corresponding
1177
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.880
with a woman named Betty Crawford who lived in Port Deposit, Maryland.
1178
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.519
When Henry finished his since in nineteen seventy five, he
1179
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:10.719
was on a bus to Maryland within a few hours
1180
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.599
of his release, headed towards a waiting sofa of his
1181
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.760
cousin Wade, who lived conveniently just a short drive from
1182
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.960
Port Deposit. He was excited to meet Betty, very excited
1183
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:24.000
because she had three daughters. Luke's got a straight job
1184
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.400
as an auto mechanic in Port Deposit, also got quickly
1185
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.679
engaged to Betty. On December fifth, nineteen seventy five, Henry
1186
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.360
and Betty get married. The happy couple in Henry's new
1187
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:37.119
or three newly acquired stepdaughters, moved into a reclaimed mobile
1188
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.840
home in Lot SI three of Benjamin's trailer park in
1189
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:42.320
Port Deposit, and for a while things seemed to be
1190
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:42.840
going good.
1191
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.039
They weren't. They were not.
1192
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.840
Well to Betty, they seemed okay. Henry wasn't a perfect husband.
1193
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:49.840
She knew that, you know, but he didn't drink too
1194
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:54.079
much didn't filander about too much, had a steady job,
1195
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.199
never beat her, and he was fairly charming, so her
1196
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.599
standard super high. The only thing that started to bother
1197
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:02.719
Betty was the way that the girls, you know, her
1198
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.159
girls had started to avoid him. At first, they loved
1199
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.280
the attention doled out upon them by their new stepdad.
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He bought them toys and spoiled them. They welcomed the attention,
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but then something changed. And then Betty found spots of
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blood and other stains on one of her daughter's sheets.
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So no bueno, no bueno in absoluteo.
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And in nineteen seventy seven, when Betty asked her daughters
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what was going on between them and Henry, they told
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her they'd been that he'd been raping them. Betty told
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Lucas when he came home that night, that he could
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leave right then and there and never ever come back,
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or she could call the police right now. And two
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years after getting married in late nineteen seventy seven, forty
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one year old Henry leaves, and who the fuck knows
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where he went. Some stories have him traveling with relatives
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back to Blacksburg. Others have him stealing the car and
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making all the way to California. Others have him skipping
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on over to Shreveport, Louisiana. Hospital records show that he
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did stay in the small fifteen thousand person town of Beckley,
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West Virginia, at the beginning of nineteen seventy eight for
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at least a few months. He met another single mother
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woman named Ronda Knuckles, who would go on to write
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a book about her time spent with Henry Lee Lucas,
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a book called How I Survived Henry Lucas Living with
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a Serial Killer published in two thousand and four. Henry
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got a job in a carpet warehouse lived with Rond
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until child molestation allegations began to surface by members of
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the Knuckles family and other locals. When Henry heard that
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a lynch party was forming, he stole the truck, and
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by the spring of nineteen seventy eight he made it
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back to or made it over to Florida.
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Excuse me, flat broke.
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With no leads for work, he found himself standing in
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a Jacksonville, Florida, soup kitchen, where he met the man
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who would help him kill god knows how many people
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or maybe none, but maybe quite a bit. Over the
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next six years, thirty one year old Otis Tool. Okay,
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so now we're going to push pause and Henry Lee
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Lucas's story go back in time to look at the
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early years of Otis Tool. And before we do that,
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can we talk for a moment about how sad and
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horrible Henry Lee Lucas's life was.
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Now, let's recap the life so far of someone who
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never slept on a nice mattress today in his life,
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Henry Lee Lucas, prison, poverty, and crime. Each phase of
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Henry's life fell under one of those descriptions, if not
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under two. He was raised in extreme poverty by an
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extremely fucked up family like cartoonishly dysfunctional. His dad passed
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00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.800
out drunk and some train tracks lost his legs went
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by the nickname of no Legs for the rest of
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his life. His mom was an abusive prostitute. He made
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him sleep in a chicken coop, left him laying in
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00:56:58.800 --> 00:56:59.960
the dirt when she knocked him out with the two
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00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.880
four for not hearing her call him. He was forced
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to wear a dress to school, he had to sit
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next to the window because he reeked of chicken shit,
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00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:09.920
forced to sit next to his father on the floor,
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and wants his mother have sex with strangers. His first
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00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.599
sexual experiences with squirrels and rabbits. He lost an eye
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00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.559
and a play knife fight with a brother didn't sound
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00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.599
very playful. He claims that his first sexual experience outside
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00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.039
of you know, possibly being molested by his mother in
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00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.280
a pond with a human being who was with the
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00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.039
dead body of a girl he just strangled. His next
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sexual experience was raping a niece, and his next multiple
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00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.639
experiences would take place in prison, then months of getting
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00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.599
kicked out of or getting excuse me, getting out of prison,
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00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:38.239
he stabbed his mother in the neck and killed her.
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He went back to prison, then to a state mental
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hospital for a decade, then traveled around the country, molesting
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and raping family members and possibly raping and killing strangers.
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He tells so many stories. Years later, god knows what
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00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:49.039
all he did.
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Goes back to prison again after trying to kidnap a
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teen girl, gets out, gets married, then flees town after
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00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:58.440
molesting a race and raping his stepdaughters, then gets run
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00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:00.760
out of another town for molesting a rap who knows
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00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.440
how many other kids. Then, at forty one, this man,
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who has known almost nothing but incarceration an aim was
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drifting in violence and sexual abuse, both dishing out and
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receiving the violence and sexual abuse. This man meets another
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man who he'd go on to have a long and
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infamous crimes for you with a man who'd had a
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similarly similarly terrible childhood. Otis Tool. Let's back up now
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to nineteen forty seven. On March fifth, nineteen forty seven,
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Otis Elwood Tool was born in Jacksonville, Florida, and holy shit,
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00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:36.320
what a name. Otis Elwood Tool. That name alone may
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have kept him from ever getting good grades or a
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decent job. Otis Elwood Tool is the kind of name
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you give to like an inbred redneck character in some
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kind of slapstick comedy. All three names sound backwoods. Put
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them all together, and it sounds like you've made some
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kind of hillbilly superhero ep ep ain away. Otis Elwood
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toole that's here to save the day. Oh god, tech,
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nam it? Oh don't got my cape stuck on the
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back of the toilet. Oh shit, I got shit on
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my cafe. Now, well, if this ain't mess you in
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a turb biscuit on the hot side, damn it, Someone.
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Get my pocket off.
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In a minute, I'm gonna have to cut this cave
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off before I opened their way anywheres?
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And I got some of my mouth. Oh kind ain't anyway.
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Otis was born in Jacksonville, city, found in eighteen twenty two,
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named after former suck subject Andrew Jackson. Jacksonville is actually
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the biggest city in Florid, at least as far as
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the population in site that city limits go was roughly
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a million people, which surprisingly is almost twice as biggest. Miami,
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the Midst metro area is the fourth biggest, and Florida
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behind Miami, Tampa, and Orlando. I've been there twice, and
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for some reason, I thought it was way smaller. It's
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also the biggest city when it comes to total acreage
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in the entire United States. So anyway, pretty big city.
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And in that way, Otis had a very different childhood
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than small town Henry, and so many other ways eerily
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00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:56.400
similar childhood. Otis's father was Bill Toole, an alcoholic, just
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like Henry's dad, who would leave his wife and eight kids.
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When Otis was in grade school and never return.
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His mother was Sarah Toole, a woman who, according to Otis,
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01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:05.880
didn't want another son when he was born, a mom
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01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.880
who didn't want him. Also like Henry, and just like Henry,
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Otis suffered from seizures. Unlike Henry, he suffered them from birth.
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01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.880
They weren't brought in by two by four to the head.
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Also like Henry, Otis's mother made him wear dresses. Otis's
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dad liked to have his dirtbag friends come over and
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01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.599
drink with him, and he liked little Otis to be
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01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.119
the cocktail waitress. Little Otis, who would be wearing a
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01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.679
dress and answering to the name of Susan and serving
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01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.159
drinks to his dad friends when he was like five
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01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.559
years old. This fuck, this shit's crazy, so fucking creepy.
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01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.000
How are there so many dirtbags out there raising kids?
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01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:39.400
And one night, one of these dirtbags put their hand
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up young Otis's skirt, and Otis's dad, Bill caught him,
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01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:44.119
and unfortunately he didn't cave.
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This man's fucking stolen.
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Now, of course, now this is the guy who had Lesley,
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01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:48.639
was forcing his five year olds un to wear the
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01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:51.519
dress and serve these guys drinks. Now he saw dollar signs,
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01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.320
according to what Otis was claiming years later. And then
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01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.719
you know, Otis's dad decided to pimp out his five
1370
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:00.400
year old body to these men for a few sends
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01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.079
a turn, and that night a few of these drunken
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dudes raped Otis, who screamed out in pain and confusion
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01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:08.679
in front of his father, who may have been watching.
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01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:13.840
How much is that gonna fuck you up? And oh shit,
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01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.079
and I hear somebody coming down the suck dungeon hallway,
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01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.880
Oh okay, all right, all right, they're coming in the door.
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01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:24.199
Now bye bye play boy, Bye bye goddamn man. This
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01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.639
is sad as and sad enough sexual abuse to make
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01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.000
a pimp mad as a man. First, now they're making
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01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.280
a son. Watch now Bill making a sound squad. I
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01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.880
don't know wonder they both end up feeling with the
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01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.360
hate and violate. They've both been self instilling, making Chicken
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01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.079
Joe feeling guilt of with pimpering and prostitution. Ain't no
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01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.039
Uncle Bernie or Bill Toole, but still part of the
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01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:43.519
ass for cast institution times.
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01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.760
Chicken Joe be part of the solution.
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01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.400
No more pollution, just evolution of restitution and absolution.
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01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:52.159
Okay, allow me to translate.
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01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:56.119
I think Chicken Joe just officially retired from pimping and
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01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.920
wants to help keep others from suffering what otis suffered
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01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:00.760
and witnessing what Henry witnessed.
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01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:03.360
So cool old character.
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By the way, if you're confused, new listener, Chicken Joe
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01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.199
from the Candy Man Suck pops in from time to
1395
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:11.320
time to drop some pimp perspective. After that horrible night
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01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.920
in nineteen fifty two, Bill would pimp his son out
1397
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:17.239
again occasionally, and a few neighborhood men also began to
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01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.639
molest Otis, and Otis would also claim some of his
1399
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.400
older sisters also began to molest him around this time.
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01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.760
This couldn't couldn't have had any idea what normal sexual
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01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.920
boundaries were. Also, his mother, instead of defending him from
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01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.000
all this, verbally abused him, calling him a whore and slut,
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01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:36.159
as if he brought on all this sexual attention upon himself,
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01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:37.280
as if this shit.
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01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:37.840
Was his fault.
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01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:41.800
So you know he was not living exactly in a
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01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:47.760
safe space. If your mama makes you wear a dress
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01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.920
at the age of five, and then your daddy makes
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01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.679
you serve drinks in that dress to his drinking buddies
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01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:58.039
who pay your daddy money to rape you, and then
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01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.760
your sisters also as to you, and then your mama
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01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:07.880
raimed all this on you. You aving a killer, thanks Steph coxcurry.
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And then one day, sometime between nineteen fifty three nineteen
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01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:13.119
fifty six, Otis is running out across the rotten front
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01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.920
porch and one of the boards gives way beneath his
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01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:17.320
feet and he falls flat on his face, And that
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01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.159
on his own would have hurt quite a bit, I'm guessing,
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01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:21.679
but what really stung was the nail he landed on
1419
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:26.119
allegedly pushed a nail straight into his skull two inches
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01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.119
into his brain, and then his dumb fuck trash mother
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01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.519
pulled it out and did not take him to a hospital.
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01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:35.599
Yay, good moms and dads. This suck has almost none
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01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:36.920
of them.
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01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:39.559
This injury in the parental response to it, or lack thereof,
1425
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.800
reminds me of Henry Luke's eye, both of these men
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01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:44.679
raised by the lowest level of dumb fuck white trash imaginable.
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01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.559
After the nail incident, Otis has way more seizures as
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01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.760
one would expect when a nail.
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01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:52.159
Gets put in your head.
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01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.599
In the spring of nineteen fifty seven, Otis is drunken
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01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:55.119
scum of the earth.
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01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:58.079
Father Bill leaves the family that warning and never returns. Hopefully.
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01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:00.639
He went and jumped off a cliff and in cannonball
1434
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:03.320
style and paled his asshole on a sword made out
1435
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.920
of sandpaper and salt. Otis would later claim that shortly
1436
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.880
after his father leaving, he went to live with his grandmother,
1437
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.159
and that his grandmother was some kind of priestess, some
1438
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:16.079
kind of practicing Satanist, and this is highly unlikely. Otis
1439
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:18.639
would talk all kinds of crazy talk about Satanists later,
1440
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:20.880
and I don't buy any of it. Maybe he did
1441
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.159
go live with his grandma, but I doubt she started
1442
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.800
letting Satanists molest in torture him bizarre and elaborate rituals.
1443
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.360
There was never any evidence of the many claims of
1444
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.719
the existence of child sacrificing Satanic groups both he and
1445
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:34.440
Henry Lucas would later talk about that were investigated.
1446
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:35.519
They found nothing.
1447
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.800
Otis would claim something that probably did actually happen though.
1448
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.639
Nineteen fifty nine, he turned twelve. That year hit puberty
1449
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.599
and realized he was sexually attracted to other boys. And
1450
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.480
when he told his nineteen fifty nine Jacksonville dirtbag family
1451
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.000
he was gay, the news was not well received. Not
1452
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:53.800
even Granma Satan was supportive. His mom proceeded to try
1453
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:56.280
and beat the gay out of him, which has literally
1454
01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:58.559
not ever worked once in the history of ever, and
1455
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.400
he ran away from home. He started squat and various
1456
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.920
abandoned houses in Jacksonville, which we apparently all over the place.
1457
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:06.440
He'd set fires in these houses to keep form at night,
1458
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.800
and at first his fire stayed in the actual fireplaces.
1459
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:11.559
But he was twelve, and you know, on his own for.
1460
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:12.719
The first time in anger at the world, and he
1461
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.920
didn't work real hard to make sure these fires were contained,
1462
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:18.039
And sometime in nineteen fifty ninety accidentally burned down one.
1463
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.800
Of these homes, and he loved it.
1464
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.079
The fire turned him on, and for the next two
1465
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.840
years he set, according to his own recollections, a great
1466
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:30.159
many fires around Jacksonville because the sexual excitement.
1467
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.480
The sexual excitement. Excuse me, he gave him.
1468
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:36.679
If your mama b when you told her he was
1469
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.079
gay and then you ran away from home, He started
1470
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:44.119
burning down houses because fire put some steel in your peter,
1471
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:49.039
you might be a killer. Nineteen sixty one, when Otis
1472
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:51.800
had turned fourteen, he began turning tricks to survive on
1473
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.199
his own and become a fixer in Jacksonville's gay bar scene.
1474
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.360
It wasn't many gay bars in Jacksonville ninety sixty one,
1475
01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:59.199
but always became a regular all of them. There was
1476
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:01.840
a fair amount of prostitutes in Jacksonville, and Otis became
1477
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.159
part of that community where you know, at least some
1478
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:06.239
people were looking out for him kind of, at least.
1479
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:07.239
They accepted him for who he was.
1480
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:09.880
Otis also claimed to commit his first murder at the
1481
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.599
age of fourteen. As Otis would later recall, one night
1482
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.239
he was picked up by a traveling salesman. Not all
1483
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.320
of his clients were kind to him or complimentary, but
1484
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:18.800
they usually didn't scare him.
1485
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:19.679
This guy did.
1486
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:21.920
The second Otis got into the car, he tore off
1487
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:24.480
down the freeway, laughing his ass off. In the middle
1488
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:26.480
of nowhere, ten minutes out of town, this guy swerved
1489
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:28.679
off the road, slamming on the brake, smashing Otis into
1490
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.079
the dashboard, knocking the wind out of him. He then
1491
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.000
dragged the day's fourteen year old out of the car,
1492
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:34.840
forced him down on all fours and the glare of
1493
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:38.519
the headlights, and then violently sodomized Otis. No lube, no
1494
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:41.679
effort to spare out as any pain, in fact, effort
1495
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.039
to give him pain. Otis screamed out as the man
1496
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.480
raped him, and then the man clearly enjoyed his suffering, telling.
1497
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:49.519
Him going, yeah, no one's going to hear you out here.
1498
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.400
When he was done, the salesman threw some change at
1499
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:55.119
Otis staggered back towards his car, laughing at what he'd done.
1500
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:56.840
He stopped in front of the car to light a
1501
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:58.760
cigarette looked back at where he left Otis, and then
1502
01:06:58.760 --> 01:06:59.440
he stopped laughing.
1503
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:00.199
Otis was on.
1504
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:02.679
He turned made a mad dash for the driver's door,
1505
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.840
but Otis had beat him to it. Otis locked the door,
1506
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.039
slammed the car into reverse, hammered it forward straight into
1507
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:10.360
the sadistic salesman, who fell into the car, and he
1508
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:13.960
ran right over him. Otis then reversed, backed up over
1509
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.800
the man, who squirmed in pain, ran over him again.
1510
01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.079
Then he got out to put his pants back on,
1511
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.719
make sure that the salesman was dead. He was super dead.
1512
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:24.280
The car's tires had run right over his head one
1513
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:26.920
of those times, and his skull had been crushed to
1514
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:31.840
a pulp. If you back over salesman you just done
1515
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:34.000
run over on the side of the road to make
1516
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:38.519
sure he's dead, you might be a our. Heck, I
1517
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:41.400
guess from that situation, I mean you already are a killer.
1518
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:42.840
I guess that's all for me.
1519
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:45.039
Hey, take care of your way, staff, drive home safer
1520
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.079
than you know that salesman guy. Otis done just killed
1521
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.880
deader than a cat. The dun't mean he shot ten times.
1522
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.119
Thanks for coming down to the chuckle slud. I'm Steff
1523
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:56.559
Cock scurvey. I'll see next time if that salesman really
1524
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:58.480
did behave like Otis describe picking up a fourteen year
1525
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.760
old boy, finally sodomizing him as he screamed out in pain.
1526
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:03.000
But I'm glad his knight ended with a flat head
1527
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.519
on the side of the road. Picking up a prostu
1528
01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:08.719
doesn't make any sexual thing you do to them, Okay, right,
1529
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:11.039
you can rape a partner, you can rape a prostitute,
1530
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:12.039
just like you can rape a stranger.
1531
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:17.920
Non consent is non consent? Fue that guy.
1532
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:21.079
For the next three years, Otis Toole continued to live
1533
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:23.199
on the streets of Jacksonville's the teenage prostitute and petty
1534
01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:26.640
theft stealing goods from the homes or petty thief stealing
1535
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.600
goods from the homes he crashed, you know in and
1536
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:31.159
selling them and occasionally burning down those homes. Then, in
1537
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.399
August nineteen sixty four, we noticed was seventeen, he got
1538
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:36.720
arrested in a prostitution sting. Because the officers didn't end
1539
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:39.279
up with enough evidence to actually charge Otis with prostitution,
1540
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.079
they charged him was loitering with intent, which is kind
1541
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:43.479
of like being charged with being up to no good.
1542
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.760
It's a lesser prostitution charger, which means we didn't catch
1543
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.000
him in the act. We come on, everybody knows what
1544
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.520
he's doing out there in the street. Otis got six
1545
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.239
months in jail, and like Henry le Lucas, he fucking
1546
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.960
loved it. He loved it more than Henry Hot meals
1547
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.159
a bed plenty of dudes to date. While Henry he
1548
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.479
was a sexual opportunist, Otis was a homosexual and jail
1549
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:04.520
was literally the best place he'd ever been up until
1550
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:06.880
that point in his life. When Otis got out nineteen
1551
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:08.640
sixty five, and powered by the knowledge that he really
1552
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:10.840
didn't care if you went to prison or not, you know,
1553
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:13.000
the just about to turn eighteen, Otis tool decided to
1554
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.720
explore more of the world than Jacksonville. He stole a
1555
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.039
car within a few weeks being released, bounced around the South,
1556
01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:22.119
standing in abandoned homes, burglarizing others, horning himself out, possibly
1557
01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:22.920
murdering others.
1558
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:25.560
He confessed to such a ridiculous.
1559
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.840
Amount of murders and then retract most of his confessions
1560
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.239
or have them discredited that it's impossible to know what
1561
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:30.680
he actually did.
1562
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:32.479
Fro nineteen sixty five, to nineteen seventy three.
1563
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.399
In nineteen seventy four, he was living in Nebraska, or
1564
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:38.159
at least taking his time drifting through Nebraska, and he
1565
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:40.000
became the prime suspect in the murder of twenty four
1566
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.119
year old Patricia Webb. He's still a suspect in her murder.
1567
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.840
Patricia was shot in Lincoln on April eighteenth, but did
1568
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:48.720
Otis Tool kill her. Tool Will confessed to her murder,
1569
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:51.880
along with hundreds of others, but he again still suspect.
1570
01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:54.239
But Webb was also working as an undercovered drug informant
1571
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:56.760
for the Nebraska State Patrol. She was working in a
1572
01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.520
porn shop and the mafia was believed We've been running
1573
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.359
that porn shopw and others used him as fronts for
1574
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.960
crimes like narcotics dealing, and in twenty twelve, in an interview,
1575
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:09.680
Lincoln Police Sergeant Larry Barksdale, who would reopened Webb's case,
1576
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:12.119
thinks she was executed by someone either in the mob
1577
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:14.520
or working for the mob. She wasn't right before or
1578
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.920
after being shot six times in the head four more times.
1579
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.119
The body seemed like an execution. Shortly after her murder.
1580
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.600
Tool would claim he left Nebraska and headed for Colorado,
1581
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:25.720
where one month later he became a suspect and another homicide,
1582
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:28.439
the murder of thirty one year old Ellen Holman, Murdered
1583
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:32.199
on October fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, Holman was abducted from Pueblo, Colorado,
1584
01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:34.560
shot three times in the head. Her body dumped by
1585
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.119
the side of the road near the Oklahoma border. Shortly
1586
01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:40.439
after her disappearance and death, Tool left Colorado. He was
1587
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:43.319
staying in Boulder and headed back towards Jacksonville, arriving there
1588
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:47.680
by early nineteen seventy five. For the next few years, Toole,
1589
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.119
now in his late twenties, re established relationships with some
1590
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:52.640
family members in the area, worked odd jobs, stole ship
1591
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:56.079
from time to time, prostituted here and there. Nineteen seventy six,
1592
01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:58.520
even briefly tried to pretend he was straight and got married.
1593
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.159
Suppose he married an un name woman twenty five years
1594
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:03.720
his senior, who then annulled the marriage three days later
1595
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:05.600
when she found out he was gay. Feels like a
1596
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.399
scam slash. Money grabbed to me. There and then in
1597
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:10.239
the spring of nineteen seventy eight, he met Henry Lee
1598
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:12.039
Lucas in a Jacksonville soup kitchen.
1599
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.039
Now we're caught back up with Henry in the timeline.
1600
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:18.760
Yeah, yeah, Before we go further with the conjoined exploits
1601
01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:21.600
of these two, let's recap Otis a bit. It's even
1602
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:23.560
harder to get life details on Otis than it was
1603
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:25.760
with Henry. No one in his family, to my knowledge,
1604
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.800
ever granted any interviews. His mother and grandmother were dead
1605
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:30.279
by the time he was caught. His dad, a band
1606
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.279
in the family, seems to have died based on genealogy records,
1607
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.600
shortly after doing so. His siblings either didn't get asked
1608
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:38.720
for any interviews or didn't grant them. There are a
1609
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:41.600
few quickly written shitty biographies on Tool that amount to
1610
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.319
nothing more than a than fluffed up kind of Wikipedia page.
1611
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:47.720
Nothing has been written by any respected true crime author.
1612
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.039
He didn't seem to really have any friends. He moved
1613
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.119
around either stole and hustled his way through life, or
1614
01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:54.159
worked for cash. He stole cars or hitchhike instead of
1615
01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:56.800
buying a bus ticket or a vehicle most of the time,
1616
01:11:56.840 --> 01:11:58.520
so it's hard to find, you know, even sales records
1617
01:11:58.520 --> 01:11:59.800
to really track down where he was.
1618
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:01.439
Was a ghost for much of his free life.
1619
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:04.199
Also, based on the results of some prison assessments, also
1620
01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:06.680
had a low IQ around seventy five, and this comes
1621
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.840
across in a handful of prison interviews. He doesn't reveal
1622
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:12.119
much about his life in these interviews other than that
1623
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.479
fire makes his dick hard and that he would like
1624
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:17.000
to watch an entire city burn to the ground because
1625
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.399
that would get him really hard and it's big. And
1626
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:21.199
he also says in one interview, it's no big deal
1627
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.640
being a killer, because you know he talks. This is
1628
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:26.319
how he talks. Reminds me of this character from a
1629
01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:29.239
movie I'm trying to place. It was a Richard Gear movie,
1630
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:33.319
Oh my God, with the guy from American History X.
1631
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.800
I cannot remember. I'm blanking right now. I don't have
1632
01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:40.039
this in my notes. It's just his voice just right now,
1633
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:42.439
just connects to my head, with a really good actor
1634
01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:46.439
who played whatever anyway, his voice when he said like,
1635
01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:48.720
it's no big deal of being a killer, because even
1636
01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:50.720
as you step on a bug, you're you know you're
1637
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:53.760
a killer. He comes across as a simple guy intellectually
1638
01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:55.920
who enjoyed burning shit and killing people the same way
1639
01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:59.119
typical kid would love ice cream and video games. No
1640
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.239
guilt over murdered, just saying everything with that softest don't
1641
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:04.680
don't mile me. I'm just a harmless, old Southern bial
1642
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:05.119
kind of.
1643
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:05.520
Way to speak.
1644
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:09.760
He comes across very likable, actually very harmless, says things
1645
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:11.720
in such a pleasant way you almost forget how horrible
1646
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.359
the shit he's talking about really is just his attitude.
1647
01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:16.640
Like you know, some people like going to the movies,
1648
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.399
and I just I like sitting things on fire and
1649
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.840
just kind of raping and killing folks. Now, let's talk
1650
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.319
about Henry Lucas and otis raal Fear.
1651
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:26.840
Thank you, Primal Fear.
1652
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:29.359
We're trying to figure it out out here, Yes, Primal Fear.
1653
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.159
And what's the actor's name. It's the guy from American
1654
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:32.479
History X, Edward Norton.
1655
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:34.600
Edward Norton, thank you.
1656
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:38.560
He he talks like Edward Norton's character in Primal Fear.
1657
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:40.159
For any of you who have their reference, Thank you,
1658
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:41.600
Thank you, Reverend doctor Joe Paisy.
1659
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:45.000
Yeah, it was more harmony than me. Okay, thank you harmony.
1660
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:48.039
So now let's talk about Henry Lucas and otis running
1661
01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.760
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crimes of Today's Dirtbag Duo. So after meeting that soup
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kitchen Henry Otis, Henry Otis, excuse me, start bonding almost instantaneously.
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They have a tremendous amount in common. They both suffer
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from seizures in childhood. They both had alcoholic fathers.
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Who left the family.
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Henry's father through what seemed to be a suicide. Otis's
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father just straight up abandonment. They both had mothers who
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hated them, forced them to wear dresses. They both had
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committed murder, or we think they both did. Henry for
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sure he went to prison for Killin's mom. Otis did
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always stick to his claim of killing that six salesman
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when he was fourteen.
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They both grew up super poor.
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They both had strange head injuries as children, Henry's two
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by four to the back of the head, otis Is
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nailed with the brain. Neither family cared enough about them
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to take them to the hospital after those injuries. They
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both enjoyed being incarcerated, and they both drifted aimlessly from
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place to place, surviving off of petty crimes. Neither of
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them ever really had a friend, onless you count that mule,
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not a friend who knew who they actually were and
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still accept them or even loved them. Now, there are
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different versions of what the two did the first day
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they met. Some versions involved thirty one year old Otis
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bringing forty one year old Henry home to stay with
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him and his mama. Other versions have this mother dead,
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which based on death records, is not true, and that
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the men then bond over being haunted by their mothers
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when they stop at the tombstone of Otis's mother, Sarah,
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who wouldn't die until May of nineteen eighty one. Other
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versions have the two heading straight to Otis's department, you know,
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just fucking each other's brains out, before heading out to
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01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:57.399
kill hundreds of hitchhikers following the orders of that secret
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Satanic organization known as the Hands of Death.
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That doesn't seem to be true.
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This next story may not be true either, but it
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feels to me like the most likely version to be true,
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or maybe just the most exciting version. Maybe just elements
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of this one are true. In this version of Henry
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and Otis meet and then Otis invites Henry over to
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his place so he can change and they can go
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out and grab some drinks together.
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Hit the town.
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Otis changed into women's clothes and they go out to
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a local gay bar and Henry doesn't care, and Otis
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loves that Henry doesn't care. Henry likes how comfortable Otis
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is with his true nature. They have a few drinks,
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they go to a local bar that is decidedly not gay.
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A bit later, and the Jacksonville locals don't.
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Exactly appreciate Otis's choice of clothes, don't like the dress
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he's wearing, and he and Henry step outside with some
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of them. After some fighting, words get tossed about and
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then a fight ensues and Henry and Otis beat the
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shit out of two men, mostly Otis.
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Henry's impressed with his toughness.
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Then more locals come out and severely outnumber to Henry
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and Otis run for their lives. After a few blocks,
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only one man still chasing him. He follows him into
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an alley where then the Otis takes a handgun out
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of his purse and shoots his Sonovich point blow range,
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six times in the chest and kills him. And then,
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because everyone in that bar could id them, the two
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flee Jacksonville and again, no idea that actually fucking happened
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or not. It's my favorite origin story for this, you know,
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dysfunctional uh pair. They're the beginning of their misadventures together.
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The two would later claim they had a grand old
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time the summer of seventy eight become they became occasional lovers.
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Henry would never be into Otis like Otis would be
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into him, but when he couldn't find a woman. Otis
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was a reliable, you know, backup plan, and they enjoyed
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each other's company, drinking together Robin convenience stores and gas
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stations in Alabama, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin. They
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would claim to shoot any store clerk or customer who
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got in their way. They claimed that they picked up
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a variety of hitchhikers, mostly young women, with Henry and
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even Otis sometimes raping them. I guess the sexual attraction
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to violence would overcome his homosexuality moments, and then they
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dumped the bodies in the woods. They both would claim,
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based on what Henry learned to studying these case files
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back in Ionia, that they varied up their killing methods
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to keep authorities from connecting their crimes. They burned somebodies,
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cut up others. They'd leave somebody's out in the open,
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barry others. Some victims were raped before or after death.
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Some were never touched sexually. The ages of the victims
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would range substantially. Well, Henry, you know, preferred teen girls.
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Sometimes they would kill you know, elderly women, sometimes dudes,
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and the sex of the victims was very Sometimes they
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took money and valuables off of victims.
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Sometimes they didn't.
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Sometimes victims were shot to death, sometimes stabbed, sometimes strangled.
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According to Otis, on the nine of November fifth, nineteen
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seventy eight, they traveled a round Rock north of Austin, Texas,
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on Interstate thirty five picked up a teenage couple who's
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nineteen seventy four to Ford to Reno had run out
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of gas. When they got both teenagers in the car,
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they pointed a gun at the teenage boy and he
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gave them his wallet. Henry was driving the car pulled
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off the road, Otis opened the door, pulled the boy out,
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and shot him. When the boy tried to run, Otis
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emptied his gun into him. While Otis was driving the car,
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Henry went into the back seat started raping the girl.
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Otis got jealous.
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He stopped the car and his service rode south to Waco,
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where he ordered the girl out of the car and
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put six shots into her. And all kinds of simil
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little stories that may or may not have.
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Happened like that.
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In early nineteen seventy nine, Henry Otis stayed with Henry's
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half sister, Almeat, in Maryland, but then they left in February,
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after you know, she threatened to report him for sexually
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abusing her granddaughter. As he left town, Henry sold his nephew,
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Randy Kaiser's pickup truck. They made it back to Jacksonville
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01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.520
nineteen seventy nine. Couch served for a bit, staying with
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some of Otis' sisters, eventually making it to the home
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of his oldest sister, Drusilla. Drusilla was a single mom
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and need a babysitting help, so she let her homicidal
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brother and her serial molesting buddy and his serial molesting buddy.
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Henry watched her ten year old twins, Frank and Freda,
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01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:35.479
in exchange for a place to say, and surprisingly this
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didn't work out well for her daughter, Freda weird. Henry
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immediately started grooming Freda to be molested. He gave her
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01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.239
a secret name she'd soon adopt publicly, Becky, and he
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01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:48.199
showered gifts upon her to stay close to to Becky,
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Henry even got a day job in Jacksonville. He got
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Otis one to two. Both began working Southeast Color Coat,
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a roofing company where the men actually do show up
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01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:59.319
on payroll records. A few years later, after getting caught
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01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:01.399
for other murders. Henry and Otis would confess to committing
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hundreds of murders in and around nineteen seventy nine. The
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most famous of these murders was the murder of twenty
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three year old Deborah Luis Jackson, which Henry took credit for.
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She died on either October thirty through October thirty first,
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nineteen seventy nine. Deborah was just recently positively identified thanks
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to DNA advancements, just last month, all these years later.
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Prior to August of twenty nineteen, she was known only
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as Orange Socks, a name given because you know, when
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01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:27.439
her body was found. As I said earlier, she just
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had a pair of orange socks on. And again this
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is that victim. I said at the beginning of Today
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Suck that Henry Lee Lucas would be sentenced to death
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for and if the execution sends, former Texas Governor George W.
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Bush would repeal.
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Jackson had been sexually assaulted, strangled to death, thrown over
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the guardrail along Interstate thirty five near Georgetown, Texas, north
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01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:46.439
of Austin. One of two matchbooks founded the scene belonged
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01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:49.600
to a hotel from Henrietta, Oklahoma, supporting the theory that
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01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.920
she was a hitchhiker or a drifter. Years later, Lucas
1848
01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:55.760
would claim that he killed this woman, although no physical
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01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:57.479
evidence linked him to the killing. He stated that he
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01:21:57.520 --> 01:21:59.119
picked her up in Oklahoma where they'd.
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Had sex, and then they drew on.
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01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.119
Down to Texas and he wanted sex again and she refused,
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01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:05.920
and he became enraged and strangled her, raped her corpse,
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01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:09.399
dumped her body near Georgetown. And even though he contradicted
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01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:12.960
himself numerous times during this confession, even though he was
1856
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:16.840
shown crime scene evidence like photos before the confession, photos
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01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:20.520
that included the Oklahoma matchbooks, he was still convicted. Then,
1858
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years later, an investigative journalists discovered that Lucas had been
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01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:25.840
paid for working at Southeast Color CoAP back in Jacksonville
1860
01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:28.600
before during after the murder, supposed he took place that
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01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:32.319
he deposited his paycheck in Jacksonville at this time. And
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01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:36.319
Jacksonville is just over a thousand miles from Georgetown and Henrietta,
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01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:39.680
Oklahoma is almost another four hundred miles up north of Georgetown.
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So this alibi is why Bush didn't execute him. Highly
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01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:46.000
unlikely he committed this particular murder more on all of
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01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:49.079
his confessions and why he confissed confessed a bit later.
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Oltis and Henry Staton Jacksonville worked at that local roofing
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01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:55.039
company until the end of nineteen eighty one, and then
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01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.680
on November first, nineteen eighty one, Little Freda aka Becky's mama,
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01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:02.760
Drusilla either hung herself for overdose or overdose.
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01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:04.239
Excuse me, depending on which source you read. She was
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thirty seven.
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Frank and Becky were now fourteen, and Henry was still
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01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:10.880
obsessed with Becky, and Becky, who was described as being
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01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:12.680
mildly mentally impaired.
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01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:13.359
Was obsessed with Henry.
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With no one else in Otis's family stepping up to
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01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:18.119
watch them, the kids fell into the temporary care of
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01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:21.000
Otis and Henry until social workers from Child Protective Services
1880
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:23.239
found out what was going on, swooped in to take
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01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:26.439
them and placed them in state care. Frank ended up
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01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:28.039
being sent to a state at home for children with
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01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.680
severe mental disabilities, and Becky and now she was just
1884
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:35.399
going by. Becky was placed in foster care sometime in
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01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:38.039
early nineteen eighty two. Again dependent on the source, Becky
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01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.319
either ran away from foster care or Henry came and
1887
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:43.359
picked her up, and she Otis and Henry headed off
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01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:46.399
towards Texas with her, and we know the three of
1889
01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:48.880
them were together. Becky would have now been either fourteen
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01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.279
or fifteen. She turned fifteen on February twenty seventh, nineteen
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01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:53.720
sixty seven. And if now forty five year old Henry
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01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:56.560
Lucas wasn't having sex with her before he was now,
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he probably was before.
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01:23:58.640 --> 01:23:59.840
Elvis didn't have a problem.
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With this other than you know, he was jealous that
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01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.600
Henry wasn't with him because he had no personal understanding
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01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:07.640
of what was a sexually acceptable relationship thanks to his
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01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:10.439
combination of a terribly dysfunctional childhood in a low IQ.
1899
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Six days after.
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Taking off with Becky, Henry and Otis would claim to
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01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:16.720
have raped and killed another victim on I twenty between Abilene,
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01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:20.279
Texas and Colorado City, Colorado in Scottsdale. They said they
1903
01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:22.399
dumped this woman's head in the desert, and then after that,
1904
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:24.800
Otis went back to Florida alone and would never see
1905
01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:28.680
his niece Becky alive again. Why did Otis leave? Once again?
1906
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:33.199
Conflicting stories from conflicting sources. There are essentially two main
1907
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:36.680
versions of why this happened. In version number one, Otis
1908
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:39.520
gets sick. His liver acts up and his skin suddenly
1909
01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:42.439
looks very jaundiced, and he grows increasingly sluggish and starts
1910
01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:44.600
to vomit every time he tries to eat. He's been
1911
01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:46.079
drinking hard since he was a little kid, and his
1912
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:48.359
body was just you know, getting real beat up, and
1913
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:50.840
he would eventually die in prison from cirrhosis.
1914
01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:52.640
So we do know he did have liver problems.
1915
01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:55.000
And according to this version, he decides to head back
1916
01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:57.479
to Jacksonville, where he has relatives, and he wants to
1917
01:24:57.520 --> 01:24:59.680
check into a hospital there maybe he can get some help,
1918
01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:01.600
you know, post hospital.
1919
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:02.520
Treatment from those relatives.
1920
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:04.640
And Henry and Becky don't want to return to Jacksonville
1921
01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:06.920
because Becky's a minor still and the state's gonna put
1922
01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:08.680
her back in foster care. And Henry doesn't want that
1923
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:11.039
because you know, she's put in state custody. How is
1924
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:14.399
he supposed to keep molesting nerve? In version number two,
1925
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:18.239
Otis is disgusted with Henry's relationship with his young niece,
1926
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:21.119
but again not because Henry's a pedophile. He's bothered because
1927
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:24.319
he's jealous. He loves Henry wants Henry only to fuck him.
1928
01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:26.800
In this version, he and Otis do fuck up sometimes
1929
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:28.920
or do fuck sometimes. They hook up sometimes here and
1930
01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:32.800
there behind Becky's back, and she catches him, catches him
1931
01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:35.000
in the act and she tells Henry it's either her
1932
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:38.520
or Otis, and Henry says he wants to wait until
1933
01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:40.439
they make it to the western Texas state line before
1934
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:42.119
choosing who is going to continue.
1935
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.039
To be with. Then he chooses Becky. Fucked up with?
1936
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:48.880
Is this entire arrangement like what a dark romantic tryst?
1937
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.680
Are you gonna stay with the guy who you supposedly
1938
01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:54.439
kidnap people and kill him with? Or are you gonna
1939
01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:57.600
keep fucking that guy's underage niece? My god, behind door
1940
01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:01.560
number two, we have his niece. After Henry makes his
1941
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:04.720
choice and chooses Becky, Henry and Becky continue their journey
1942
01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:07.159
alone or just the two of them, and they go
1943
01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:10.199
on to Beaumont. One night, while they're hitch hiking on
1944
01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:13.920
the I ten state Route seventy nine, an antique dealer
1945
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.640
named Jack Smart from the small southern California Riverside County
1946
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:20.920
desert city of met picks them up and even gives
1947
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:22.560
them an apartment to live in. In return for living
1948
01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.399
in this department, Henry's given odd jobs to do in
1949
01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:27.640
Jack's shop at home. By now, Becky is presenting herself
1950
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:30.119
as the wife of Henry, and when Jack's eighty year
1951
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:33.760
old nearly blind mother, Kate Rich needs someone to look
1952
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.680
after her, Henry and Becky are asked by Jack to
1953
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:40.199
do that. And I have no idea why these people
1954
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:43.239
were not very bothered by Henry and Becky's age difference.
1955
01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.479
Maybe these other people were also kid thoughers. Henry and
1956
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:48.439
Becky impress Jack and his family with their hard work,
1957
01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:50.319
and in May of nineteen eighty two, they take a
1958
01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:54.880
Greyhound bus to Ringold, Ring Goold in Montague County in
1959
01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:57.760
Texas to care for Kate. Ringgold is a little unincorporated
1960
01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:59.439
community of no more than one hundred people in north
1961
01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:02.560
central Texas, located right off the Texas Oklahoma border. Mostly
1962
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:04.640
dirt roads and beat up old homes, with the occasional
1963
01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.720
nice home of a local cattle baron sprinkled in very
1964
01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:10.479
wild West looking. You can picture the James Younger gang
1965
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.079
riding through an area like this, you know, back in
1966
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:15.960
the day, high desert and sagebrush cattle and coyotes. By
1967
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:17.640
the end of the month, Henry and Becky, You're thrown
1968
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:20.159
out of the house by two of Kate's daughters after
1969
01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:23.560
being suspected of forging checks under Kate's name, and based
1970
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.800
on Henry's criminal past, I'm guessing he for sure did
1971
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:29.079
fords those checks. A general store clerk alerted Kate's daughters.
1972
01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:30.159
That Henry was stealing from their mom.
1973
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:33.199
Her daughters then visited their mother's house, the house Henry
1974
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:34.960
and Becky were also supposed to keep clean, find it
1975
01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:37.439
filthy and unkept, and they fire the two and give
1976
01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:38.920
them bus fair to get the hell out of town.
1977
01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:41.600
Instead of taking the bus, Henry keeps some money decidnes
1978
01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:44.319
that they should hitch hike back to California instead. Then
1979
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:46.640
they're doing just that, and then they get picked up
1980
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:49.119
by a preacher named Ruben Moore who is running a
1981
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:51.800
small religious community called the House of Prayer in Stoneberg,
1982
01:27:52.399 --> 01:27:54.800
a town whose population never exceed one hundred and fifteen
1983
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:57.319
hovers around fifty now. It's no more than ten minutes
1984
01:27:57.359 --> 01:28:00.399
south of ring Gold in Texas. Take a Google Earth
1985
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:02.399
gander at this place if you want to feel depressed
1986
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:05.239
or better about wherever you live. I don't like to
1987
01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:07.479
call place of shitholes because I think about you know
1988
01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:09.439
how some of you are bound to live in those places.
1989
01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:14.960
But holy shithole Stoneberg is, in my opinion, and I'm
1990
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.159
guessing the opinion of every person on earth whose opinion
1991
01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.439
I respect, a colossal fucking dump.
1992
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:20.800
It's not even a town.
1993
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:23.800
It's an assortment of really beat up and dilapidated, old,
1994
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:26.000
single white trailers on lots of nothing but dirt and
1995
01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:29.239
weeds and brush and litter in the Texas desert, ten
1996
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:32.000
minutes outside of the little five thousand person Texas town.
1997
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:33.920
Of Bowie or Bowie.
1998
01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:36.720
And while I think, you know, Bowie might have some charm,
1999
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:38.920
I'm guessing a fair amount of people would also label
2000
01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:40.680
it as a shithole. And I'm guessing that many of
2001
01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:42.520
the people of Bowie make fun of the people who
2002
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:45.359
live in Stoneburg. So Henry and young Becky head to
2003
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:48.720
the dusty, little fucking shithole of Stoneberg and live on
2004
01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:52.119
a religious compound, and they love it because they have
2005
01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:54.279
no idea what a good life is supposed to look like.
2006
01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:57.079
Ruben offers them a place to stay in exchange for
2007
01:28:57.159 --> 01:29:00.359
Henry working as roofer and general repair men. He also
2008
01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:03.920
helps with the chores, and, to Henry's strong displeasure, becomes
2009
01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:06.399
a firm believer in christ Gonna be hard to keep
2010
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:08.239
killing strangers and fucking their corpuses on the side of
2011
01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:10.279
the road if he suddenly has a Christian riding shotgun,
2012
01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:14.239
total buzz kill. And then after she finds Jesus, Becky
2013
01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:15.760
gets homesick and wants.
2014
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:16.720
To return to Jacksonville.
2015
01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:19.039
It's almost like she was a confused and scared child
2016
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:21.840
and just wanted to go home. Henry tells her that
2017
01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:23.920
they'll head back, but he has no intention of keeping
2018
01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:26.239
that promise and taking her back to Jacksonville. He's afraid
2019
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.079
that she's going to tell someone what she's seen him do.
2020
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.439
He claimed to have killed several hitchhikers while she was
2021
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:34.760
on the road with him and Otis. On Henry's forty
2022
01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:38.399
sixth birthday August twenty third, nineteen eighty two, he agrees
2023
01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:40.920
to take fifteen year old Becky home and how gross
2024
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:43.399
by the way he is over three times her age.
2025
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:46.039
That's never good relationship math over three times the age
2026
01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:46.920
of the other person.
2027
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:49.680
They pack everything they own into three suitcases.
2028
01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:51.520
Reuben gives them a lift on August twenty fourth to
2029
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:54.239
a truck stop and Alvert, Texas about twenty five minutes away.
2030
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:56.640
Alvert little fifty hundred person in town, just pass Bowie
2031
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:01.159
based on more Google picks. For sure, sorry if you
2032
01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:04.319
live there, but holy hell, this whole fucking part of
2033
01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:08.399
Texas looks like some post apocalyptic fucking dump looks about
2034
01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:10.760
as appealing to live in as a Central Nevada. If
2035
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:12.399
you live in one of those places and you're pissed, well,
2036
01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:15.520
you know what, travel to any other part of the country,
2037
01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:18.880
like anywhere else. Tell me I'm wrong, Tell me I'm wrong,
2038
01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:21.399
sending pictures of where you live in your town, and
2039
01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:23.800
then sending pictures of like I don't know any place
2040
01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:27.399
in Idaho, Montana, or basically any other state, and see
2041
01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:29.640
which one looks better. You have one life, Do not
2042
01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.760
waste it in Alfred, Texas. Save your money, get the
2043
01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:34.560
fuck out. If someone told me you have two choices,
2044
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:37.279
you can either kill yourself and go to Hell, or
2045
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:40.199
you can live in Alfred, Texas, I'd be like, I thought,
2046
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:41.760
I'm sorry. I thought you said I had two choices.
2047
01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:43.640
You just that's the same thing, just presented in two
2048
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.039
different ways. I know that's brutal, but I've been to
2049
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:47.760
a lot of towns. I've been to every state in
2050
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:51.359
the country, and some of them don't need to exist anymore, right,
2051
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:51.800
Can we be.
2052
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:52.359
Honest about that?
2053
01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:54.159
Some people are like, oh, we got five for our
2054
01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:56.640
town or not, or you could just let it go
2055
01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:57.800
move to a better place.
2056
01:30:58.560 --> 01:30:59.720
Not every place is.
2057
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:01.359
Some idiot it's decided to settle down in at one
2058
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:02.920
point needs to keep being.
2059
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:04.399
A town anyway.
2060
01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:08.039
For getting dropped off, Becky and Henry got two rides
2061
01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:10.119
that took him to Denton, Texas, and then they waited
2062
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:12.199
on an access road to the interstate, but no one
2063
01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:14.359
picked him up. They decided to make their way down
2064
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:17.159
to a nearby field, make camp before nightfall, and did
2065
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:19.000
their bed rolls, settled down to sleep, and then Henry
2066
01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:21.239
said he decided to try to persuade Becky to go
2067
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:23.439
back to the House of Prayer, said he was scared
2068
01:31:23.479 --> 01:31:25.159
of get in trouble if they went back to Jacksonville.
2069
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.600
Then he said they started to argue, and finally Henry
2070
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:28.840
told her he made up his mind and they were
2071
01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:31.640
going back to the church compound in Stoneberg, and he
2072
01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:33.279
said that Becky screamed and hit him on the side
2073
01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:34.640
of the head, and I pissed Henry off.
2074
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:36.319
He claim he just snapped and stabbed.
2075
01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:38.079
Her with a knife of the chest, and he said
2076
01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:40.039
he just she just sat there stunned for a few seconds,
2077
01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:42.199
then fell over dead. Said that at first he was
2078
01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:44.720
shocked that he killed Becky, and then he really loved her.
2079
01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:47.960
But after his initial shock wore off, he became pretty aroused,
2080
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:49.319
and he took off her clothes and that sex with
2081
01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:52.800
her corpse. It's like Henry's motto in life was, when
2082
01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:56.479
laugh gives you lemons, you just you fuck him. You
2083
01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:59.880
just start fucking him. I highly doubt Henry ever intended
2084
01:31:59.880 --> 01:32:01.560
to bring her back to Jacksonville. I bet he knew
2085
01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:03.439
she was dead the moment they decided to leave that
2086
01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:05.720
church compound. No way he's going to risk her ratting
2087
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:08.159
him out. After he kills her and cuts her up
2088
01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:10.319
into tiny pieces and stuff's to remains into three pillows,
2089
01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:15.560
you know, he you know, leaves them scattered on the field.
2090
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:17.600
He claims that after he killed Becky started hearing her
2091
01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:19.520
voice in his head, just like he used to hear
2092
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:21.800
his mother's voice after he killed her, And just like
2093
01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:24.399
with his mother, Becky's voice taunts him and harasses him.
2094
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.279
It's getting crowded, that crazy old head of his. After
2095
01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:30.000
scattering Becky's remains, Rounie, he washed up as best he can,
2096
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.039
hitchhikes back to the House of Prayer, tells Ruben that
2097
01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:33.720
Becky had just taken out with the truck driver and
2098
01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:36.760
left him, and man, he's so sad about it. Rubin
2099
01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:38.880
believed him enough to offer him time and space to
2100
01:32:38.920 --> 01:32:42.399
recover from his loss. A few weeks later, while he's
2101
01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:46.880
you know, he's all recovered now, nearly blind. Octogenarian or
2102
01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:50.720
octogenarian Kate Rich that eight year old lady Henry had
2103
01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:54.239
forged checks to steal from contacts Henry, always thinking it
2104
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:55.880
was Henry who was the one who had done the stealing.
2105
01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.000
She had stayed in contact with Becky, who she liked,
2106
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:00.159
when her daughters had kicked the two of them out
2107
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:01.560
of her house, but she hadn't heard from Becky in
2108
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:04.359
a few weeks. Wanted to know where Becky was. Henry
2109
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:06.640
told her she left him, and then you know, they'd split,
2110
01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:08.119
and she had and she had more questions.
2111
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:09.319
She didn't believe him.
2112
01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:13.680
She was a little more interrogative than old Reuben was. Finally,
2113
01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:15.359
he agrees to drive Kate to church you know, one
2114
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:17.760
sunny mid September to kind of reassure her talk to
2115
01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:20.520
her more about Becky's disappearance. He takes Ruben's car to
2116
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:22.239
pick her up, and then instead of driving her to church,
2117
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:24.439
he drives her off the highway down an old dirt
2118
01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:26.319
road far away from prying eyes, and then he took
2119
01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:28.319
out a butcher's knife that he brought just for this
2120
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:31.039
occasion and plunged it straight into her chest. He pulled
2121
01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:32.600
her body out of the car before she bled all
2122
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:34.880
over the place, and cut her up, stuffed her remains
2123
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:37.680
into a big drainage pipe running underneath the road. When
2124
01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:39.800
Kate's neighbors found out that both she and Becky had
2125
01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:42.079
gone missing in the same short period of time, and
2126
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:45.279
that both were lasting alive with Henry Lee Lucas, they
2127
01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:49.319
became suspicious in contacted authorities. The local Montague County sheriff.
2128
01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:52.079
Sheriff Conway had no evidence to suggest Becky or Kate
2129
01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:55.359
were dead, but he and Texas ranger Phil Ryan suspected Henry,
2130
01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.760
of course, and brought him in for some questioning. Henry
2131
01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:01.079
denied all knowledge of it, having anything to do with
2132
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:04.239
the disappearance of either woman, and he was released.
2133
01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:05.359
After he passed a polygraph test.
2134
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:07.359
And then the first thing Henry did when he was
2135
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:09.279
released from interrogation was to go back to the drain
2136
01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:11.920
where he stuffed Kate's remains, threw them in a bag,
2137
01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:14.199
brought them back to the House of Prayer compound where
2138
01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:16.640
they had an incinerator, and he reduced what was left
2139
01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:19.000
of Kate Rich to ashes. And then he took off
2140
01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:22.079
from Mexico. At least as we said one time, that's
2141
01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:25.079
what he said. Maybe he took off towards Blacksburg. Maybe
2142
01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:27.800
he stayed close by in Texas. According to Henry, wherever
2143
01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:30.039
he went, he was killing a robin again. And by
2144
01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:31.920
the following spring he'd run out of money, and he
2145
01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.359
called his old Texas preacher, you know, Ruben Moore's old buddy,
2146
01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:36.720
to see if he could get his old place back
2147
01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:39.039
to stay, and Ruben told him, yeah, of course, you know,
2148
01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:41.800
you're always welcome to return. What Ruben didn't tell him
2149
01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.079
was that he had no intention of helping Henry again,
2150
01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:45.920
and that he'd been talking to the police and the
2151
01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:48.199
police were looking for Henry, still suspecting him for the
2152
01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:51.000
murders of Kate Rich and free to Becky Powell. By
2153
01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:53.359
this time, Ruben himself suspected Henry of their desks and
2154
01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:55.199
wanted to see Henry get put behind bars before he
2155
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:58.920
hurt anyone else. Now, before we go further, what about Otis?
2156
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:03.199
Where's old tool time? Where's he been? After leaving Henry,
2157
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:05.399
Lee and Becky Somewhere in Texas in early nineteenty two,
2158
01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:08.319
Otis had a really rough trip back to Jacksonville. He
2159
01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:12.760
started crashing abandoned homes again, and on three separate occasions
2160
01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:15.479
he stepped on the rotten wood of an old porch,
2161
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:19.840
fell through, and sunk a nail into his head and
2162
01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:22.159
didn't go to a doctor anytime.
2163
01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:23.319
Ouch.
2164
01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:27.520
One of those nails penetrated his skull directly between his eyes,
2165
01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:30.720
and it sunk a good six inches into his brain,
2166
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:32.840
and then he pulled it back at himself with the
2167
01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:35.279
pair of plyers and then jerked off into some fire.
2168
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:36.199
He he burned down the house.
2169
01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:39.359
Of course, I'm kidding. His story is naturally insane. We
2170
01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:41.039
don't need to spice it up with three more nails
2171
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:43.479
to the head wounds. The only thing he talked about
2172
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:45.880
regarding heading back to Jacksonville was nearly being eaten alive
2173
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:47.720
one night by some Ombre's sino ants.
2174
01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:48.399
Just outside of Austin.
2175
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:50.359
He got drunk, passed down in the backyard of the
2176
01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:52.479
vacant house, and when he woke up, thousands of those
2177
01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.520
little deadly bastards were carrying his body back to their
2178
01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:59.159
mound to feed their queen, Queen ombre asino ants or
2179
01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:01.840
fucking terror of fine. While the soldier aunt has three
2180
01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:05.439
inch mandibles, the queen has mandibles up to two feet long,
2181
01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:07.840
and their body can weigh anywhere from two hundred and
2182
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:10.359
fifty to four hundred pounds, and they can be from
2183
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:12.159
six to eight feet long.
2184
01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:15.000
There's ants and up to five feet tall.
2185
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:17.319
And if you've been listening to Suck for a while,
2186
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:19.279
least since the Pedro Lopez suck, you know that I'm
2187
01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:22.560
fucking full of shit right now. Mbersino ants only live
2188
01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:24.760
here in the suck. First, God it, I hope, I
2189
01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:27.720
hope at least one of you just believe, just for
2190
01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:30.800
a second, maybe for two seconds, that there was a
2191
01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:34.680
queen ant out there roughless size of pony.
2192
01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:35.399
Okay for real.
2193
01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:38.000
Now, Otis headed back to Jacksonville, showed up at his
2194
01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:40.119
sister's house, where soon after arriving, the police showed up
2195
01:36:40.279 --> 01:36:42.640
and questioned him about his niece, you know, Freida or
2196
01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:45.840
disappearance or Becky's disappearance. He really didn't know where Henry
2197
01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:47.680
and Becky had gone, but the police didn't believe him,
2198
01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:49.600
and his car was impounded and he was released and
2199
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:52.000
then told not to leave town. And then maybe he
2200
01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:53.920
got some medical treatment for his liver. Maybe not again,
2201
01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:55.960
the stories differ, and for the next year, the now
2202
01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:57.800
thirty five year old Otis went back to his old life.
2203
01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.399
A crash in an abandoned home, Sam's relative, couch surfing,
2204
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:02.800
sending some homes on fire, pride jerking off and coming
2205
01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:04.760
into the flames like a complete fucking psychopath.
2206
01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:06.720
In April of nineteen eighty.
2207
01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:08.880
Three, Oates was brought in on an arson charge for
2208
01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:10.600
torching up one of the homes he stayed in. He
2209
01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:12.920
ended up getting twenty year prison sends just for that crime.
2210
01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:16.520
After being taken into custody and investigated for other Jacksonville arsons,
2211
01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:19.239
he ended up confessing to another fire where a man died,
2212
01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:21.079
where a man was burned to death inside the home
2213
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:24.159
and it was intentional. On January fourth, nineteen eighty Tool
2214
01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:28.520
nineteen eighty Tool nineteen eighty two, Toole had barricaded sixty
2215
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:31.000
four year old George Sonnenberg in a boarding house where
2216
01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:33.199
he was living in Jacksonville and set it on fire.
2217
01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:36.680
Toole signed a confession stated that he and Sonnenberg had
2218
01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:39.520
begun a sexual relationship and after the two had an argument,
2219
01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:43.359
Tool set Sonenberg's home on fire. Otis also ended up
2220
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:46.319
confessing to the murder of nineteen year old Adam Mildred Johnson,
2221
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:49.399
two and a half hours away in Tallahassee. Ato was
2222
01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:51.840
reported missing by her parents on February eighteenth. Theyd last
2223
01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:53.960
seen her on the ninth, and a couple searching for
2224
01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:57.520
firewood in the woods found Ada's body on February twenty seventh.
2225
01:37:58.039 --> 01:37:59.479
She been shot in the back of the head, cut
2226
01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:01.560
with a knife what appeared to be a possible mugging
2227
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:05.119
gone wrong. Okay, So now back to June nineteen eighty three,
2228
01:38:05.520 --> 01:38:07.800
while Toole was awaiting trial for a double homicide in
2229
01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:11.520
Arson Henry shows are two different homicides and Arson Henry
2230
01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:14.000
shows back up at Reuben's compound on the fourteenth after
2231
01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:15.920
letting him crash the night his old shack make him
2232
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:17.359
feel like he could just pick up right back where
2233
01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:18.239
he left off.
2234
01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:20.159
You know, and be the compound handy man.
2235
01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:23.039
Exchange for a place to say, Pastor moorehead Henry running
2236
01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:24.920
erin for him the following day to a place he'd
2237
01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:29.039
pre arranged with the police, and on June fifteenth, nineteen
2238
01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:32.199
eighty three, Henry L. Lucas drives straight into a police ambush.
2239
01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:35.439
Neither he nor Otis would ever be free men again.
2240
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:38.479
He rolled into town was stopped by Texas Ranger that
2241
01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:40.840
Phil Ryan Fella one of the guise of a routine
2242
01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:42.800
traffic stop. Ryan and local police knew they didn't have
2243
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.119
enough evidence to arrest him for the murder of Kate Ridge.
2244
01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:47.880
They weren't even sure Becky was dead, but they figured
2245
01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:49.840
pulling him over would lead to something they could put
2246
01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:52.119
him behind bars for, and they were right. An inspection
2247
01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:54.960
of the inside of his vehicle revealed an unregistered handgun.
2248
01:38:55.039 --> 01:38:57.079
As a felon, it was illegal for Henry to possess
2249
01:38:57.119 --> 01:39:00.000
such a weapon, and then Ranger Ryan and the police
2250
01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:04.920
may have overlooked a few of Lucas's basic human rights
2251
01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:07.439
when they interrogated him. They did not give him a
2252
01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:10.039
state appointed attorney like he asked for. They grilled him
2253
01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:12.840
about Kate's disappearance for hours, refusing to give him water, food,
2254
01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.359
or cigarettes. They stripped him down to his underwear, threw
2255
01:39:15.439 --> 01:39:17.319
him a cold cell, refused to give him his clothes
2256
01:39:17.359 --> 01:39:19.399
back when he asked for him, and all of this
2257
01:39:19.439 --> 01:39:22.399
would almost cost them their case against him. After hours
2258
01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:25.000
of being interrogated and deprived the cigarettes, basic sustenance, even
2259
01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:28.319
the dignity of wearing clothes, Lucas began to confess under
2260
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:31.399
clear duress, and police began to reward him as he
2261
01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:34.720
confessed with clothes, food, water, coffee, cigarettes, etc. And he
2262
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:37.399
told him everything about Kate's murder. He signed his confession.
2263
01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:39.520
Then he got his lawyer who tried to throw out
2264
01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:42.119
the sign confession, but it didn't do any good because
2265
01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:43.880
Henry just confessed again and again and again.
2266
01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:45.800
And then later when they began pushing him to.
2267
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:48.399
Talk about Becky's appearance, he confessed to her murder as well.
2268
01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:51.159
Bone fragments presumed to be riches were found in a
2269
01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:53.800
stove with the house of prayer. Skeletal remains of the
2270
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.000
same sex and approximate ages Becky were found in the
2271
01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:58.239
field where Lucas claims to have killed her, though the
2272
01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:00.920
coroner would not positively identify them as who they were
2273
01:40:00.920 --> 01:40:04.479
claimed to be. Just days later, Lucas pled guilty to
2274
01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:06.720
the two murders in court and then shocked everyone in
2275
01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:08.640
the court by claiming to have committed over one hundred
2276
01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:12.079
additional murders, saying in court, and I've killed about one
2277
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.439
hundred other women too. Then over the following months, he
2278
01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:18.439
kept pouring out confessions to hundreds and hundreds of murders.
2279
01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:21.279
A Lucas task force led by the Texas Rangers was
2280
01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:24.119
quickly formed to examine the validity of all these claims.
2281
01:40:24.760 --> 01:40:26.760
In November of nineteen eighty three, he was transferred to
2282
01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:29.439
Williamson County, Texas, where he confessed to two hundred and
2283
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:32.760
thirteen unsolved murders and then keep confessing to more after that.
2284
01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:36.279
Why did Lucas confess to so many murders? While it's
2285
01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:39.039
just speculation, most investigators who worked on his case seemed
2286
01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:42.399
to think that, For one, he didn't really mind being incarcerated.
2287
01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:44.800
He liked knowing he wouldn't have to steal or work
2288
01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:46.800
for his next meal. He liked knowing he'd have a
2289
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:47.680
bed to sleep in every night.
2290
01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:48.000
In jail.
2291
01:40:48.039 --> 01:40:49.880
You know, he had amenities like access to TV. He
2292
01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:52.199
could play card games with the other prisoners. He had
2293
01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:55.079
a steady sex life. Again men, not as for as choice,
2294
01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:57.720
but he did seem to be, you know, sexually satisfied
2295
01:40:57.760 --> 01:40:58.479
with them.
2296
01:40:59.199 --> 01:40:59.359
You know.
2297
01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:02.199
Two, he liked the tension the confessions gave him. The
2298
01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:04.239
more murders he confessed to, the more visitors he got.
2299
01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:07.800
Became like a celebrity in the jail, the more attention
2300
01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:10.319
he received from other inmates. He wasn't just another dirt back.
2301
01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:12.399
He was the most prolific serial killer, god damned in
2302
01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:13.159
American history.
2303
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:14.680
Gave him notoriety.
2304
01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:17.600
Three, he was already serving life in prison, So what
2305
01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:20.920
did he care about confessing the more murders. Apparently prosecutors
2306
01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:23.199
tricked him when it came to confessing to murdering Deborah
2307
01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:25.880
orange Sox Jackson. He didn't realize that the death penalty
2308
01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:27.279
was on the table for that confession.
2309
01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:29.079
He got to leave prison.
2310
01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:29.239
You know.
2311
01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:31.119
Another thing, He got to travel around the country, eat
2312
01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:35.039
at nice restaurants, diners, donut shops, donut shops supposed to
2313
01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:37.720
even be given alcohol, and according to one source, a
2314
01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:39.880
source I don't believe, but as part of the Lucas legend.
2315
01:41:40.279 --> 01:41:42.439
One night, he was rewarded for solving a few cases
2316
01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:46.199
with some prostitutes. In December of nineteen eighty three, word
2317
01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:48.520
reaches Tool in Florida that Lucas is getting all kind
2318
01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:51.840
of perks for cooperating with investigators, and Lucas had told
2319
01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:54.239
them that they killed you know, many people together, and
2320
01:41:54.279 --> 01:41:56.079
he and Lucas talk on the phone, and Tool figures
2321
01:41:56.079 --> 01:41:57.800
out real quick that he'll be given the same perks
2322
01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:00.199
if he talks to so he starts confessing.
2323
01:41:59.880 --> 01:42:01.159
To fucking everything.
2324
01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:04.000
Basically, over the next year, these two would confess to
2325
01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:07.560
every case placed in front of them. In early nineteen
2326
01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:10.199
eighty four, some investigators began to really doubt all of
2327
01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:14.159
these claims, right they overdid it. Texas ranger Phil Ryan, again,
2328
01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:15.720
one of the guys who helped arrest him, would later
2329
01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:18.319
report that Lucas became so accustomed to lavish treatment from
2330
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:20.920
law enforcement for cooperating these tudent began to kind of
2331
01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:23.199
think of himself as the boss around this situation. He's like,
2332
01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:26.359
he's running this operation. Starts to dictate orders to other
2333
01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:27.760
rangers who often obey them.
2334
01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.000
He's loving this attention. All going to his head.
2335
01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:33.319
Ryan reported he became concerned about the veracity of most
2336
01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:37.199
of Lucas's confessions, feeling confident in the accuracy of only
2337
01:42:37.279 --> 01:42:40.800
two right Kate Rich and Becky. Further stated to the
2338
01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:43.920
Houston Chronicle that I wouldn't bet a paycheck on any
2339
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:48.199
of the others. Ryan started inventing utterly fictional crimes to
2340
01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:52.399
which Lucas would generally confess involvement, a tactic also employed
2341
01:42:52.439 --> 01:42:54.840
in nineteen eighty four by Dallas detective lynd To Irwin.
2342
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:58.000
Erwin interviewed Lucas after he confessed to thirteen murders in
2343
01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:01.199
Houston alone. Ern reports that when I heard it got
2344
01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:03.840
to be hundreds and hundreds of confessions, it was unbelievable
2345
01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:07.079
to me. Irwin further reported that, like Ryan, she assembled
2346
01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:10.680
an utterly fictional crime, saying, I fabricated the case using
2347
01:43:10.760 --> 01:43:14.319
random photographs, some old murders long since solved, and details
2348
01:43:14.359 --> 01:43:17.840
pulled from my imagination. He claimed credit for the phony crime,
2349
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.520
and his confession, containing facts that I'd dribbled out to him,
2350
01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:26.039
probably could have convinced a jury to convict him. Ryan
2351
01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:28.319
reports the manner which Lucas typically confessed to a number
2352
01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:31.800
of unsolved murders. If a police agency suspected Lucas, and
2353
01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:35.000
if Lucas admitted involvement, and his total of some three
2354
01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:39.640
thousand confessions suggested he rarely denied involvement, they would send
2355
01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:43.000
the Lucas Task Force a case file with information pertaining
2356
01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.039
to the unsolved crime, and that Lucas would be questioned
2357
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:47.239
at length and sometimes be allowed to read the police
2358
01:43:47.239 --> 01:43:50.159
reports in advance, so he could learn a number of
2359
01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:53.520
details previously unknown or known only to the police, and
2360
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:56.119
then he would just use those details to weave a
2361
01:43:56.119 --> 01:43:59.720
confession together. In nineteen eighty five, and they're doing it,
2362
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:01.640
I guess their motivation, Like they're doing it from just
2363
01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:04.399
a you know, bureaucratic way of like, ah, we're probably
2364
01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:05.479
not going to fucking solve these murders.
2365
01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:07.920
It'll make people happy. Who cares. This guy's already in prison.
2366
01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:09.159
Let's just fuck get him off the books.
2367
01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:11.079
Not saying that you should do that, but I get
2368
01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:12.680
their motivation, like they get to look like heroes. They
2369
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:14.560
probably got fucking promotions and all kinds of stuff for
2370
01:44:14.600 --> 01:44:17.600
clearing all these crimes. In nine seventy five, at Dallas
2371
01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:19.880
Newspaper publishes an article about how Henry would have to
2372
01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:23.239
have driven eleven thousand miles in just one month to
2373
01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:26.119
commit the murders he claimed he had committed in that month.
2374
01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:30.000
The FBI became doubtful about Henry's claims. In an interview
2375
01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:31.600
with the Houston Agent, he was asked if he had
2376
01:44:31.640 --> 01:44:35.680
helped commit murders in Guyana, as in the Jonestown Master murders,
2377
01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:38.680
and Henry said, oh, hell, yeah, sure he did. And
2378
01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:40.239
then he said he couldn't remember if Diana was in
2379
01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:43.720
Louisiana or Texas. Guyana of courses in Is, thousands of
2380
01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:46.359
miles away, Central America, where cult leader and sucks subject
2381
01:44:46.399 --> 01:44:48.279
Jim Jones persuaded one hundreds of his followers to commit
2382
01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:52.279
suicide right at the Jonestown settlement. At one point Otis
2383
01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:56.159
and Henry would complain that or would confess that they
2384
01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:58.920
actually supplied Jim Jones with the poison he used. They've
2385
01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:01.119
just fucking anything anything, all they would say, yeah, yeah,
2386
01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:03.960
huh more. Journalists started to dig into the various claims
2387
01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:07.560
of Lucas and they found, you know, records of Henry's employment,
2388
01:45:07.560 --> 01:45:09.720
credit card receipts, other evidence that would established that most
2389
01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:11.439
of his confessions for bullshit. He couldn't have been in
2390
01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:14.279
the place that he said he was. Investigators quickly came
2391
01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:15.840
to the same conclusions about Otis Tool.
2392
01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:16.920
The two of them.
2393
01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:19.000
Didn't help themselves by talking to each other on the
2394
01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:21.359
phone more and more, coming up with more outrageous lies together,
2395
01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:24.439
like that secret Satanic society called the Hands of Death
2396
01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:27.439
recruiting them, ordering them to kill on their behalf. They
2397
01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:29.600
claimed that other serial killers were part of the Hands
2398
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:31.560
of Death, like Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy was a member
2399
01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:33.840
of this group. Then they claimed that they killed a
2400
01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:35.479
lot of the victims that Bundy supposed they went to
2401
01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:37.319
jail four or he killed.
2402
01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:38.840
They're fucking killing everybody.
2403
01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:41.880
They claimed they participated in black market snuff films for
2404
01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.319
the Hands of Death. They fucking they killed Jimmy Haffa.
2405
01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:47.039
They claimed to have kill Jimmy Haffa. And then Otis
2406
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:49.079
started making claims like he ate some of his victims.
2407
01:45:49.079 --> 01:45:50.439
You know, Henry would say, n I didn't like to
2408
01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:52.399
eat him. He didn't like the way that the barbecue
2409
01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:54.039
sauce the Otis was using. There's all these kind of
2410
01:45:54.079 --> 01:45:56.520
weird barbecue sauce means about Otis Tool, I don't I
2411
01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:58.479
don't think actually probably ate anybody, but he would claim
2412
01:45:58.520 --> 01:45:59.920
that nothing backs that up.
2413
01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:03.319
They just like wanted to shock and become whatever. People
2414
01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:05.680
led them whatever path, investigators led them down, like did
2415
01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:08.439
you actually eat people? Oh yeah, oh yeah. A lot
2416
01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:10.119
of people like they would just go with whatever.
2417
01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:12.560
In response to these claims to reports of the Lucas
2418
01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:16.520
Task Force questionable investigative methodology, the Texas Attorney General's office
2419
01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:19.680
issued a study sometimes called the Lucas Report in nineteen
2420
01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:22.439
eighty six. The bulk of the Lucas Report was devoted
2421
01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:25.560
to a detailed timeline of Lucas's claim murders. The report
2422
01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:29.279
compared Lucas's claims to reliable, verifiable sources for Lucas's whereabouts,
2423
01:46:29.439 --> 01:46:33.359
and the results often contradicted his confessions. Texas Attorney General Gym.
2424
01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:36.520
Maddox wrote that when Lucas was confessing to hundreds of murders,
2425
01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:39.640
those with custody of Lucas did nothing to bring an
2426
01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:40.399
end to this hoax.
2427
01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:43.319
I'm sure some rangers lost their jobs over this, he said.
2428
01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:45.239
And we have found information that would lead us to
2429
01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:47.840
believe that some officials cleared cases just to get them
2430
01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:51.119
off the books. Here are a few examples of crimes
2431
01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:54.600
Lucas task Force ruled close based on Lucas's confessions when
2432
01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:57.960
strong evidence has been cited, including Lucas being far from
2433
01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.920
the scene of the crime. Lucas can the August tenth,
2434
01:47:01.039 --> 01:47:04.159
nineteen seventy seven murder of Kirby Reeves in Smith County, Texas,
2435
01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:07.279
when payroll records indicated that Lucas was working a full
2436
01:47:07.319 --> 01:47:11.640
shift that day at the Klen Mushroom Company in Kaitlyn, Pennsylvania.
2437
01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:14.359
Lucas confessed to the March twentieth, nineteen seventy nine murder
2438
01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:17.720
of Elaine Tallet in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Medical records indicate he
2439
01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:20.359
was in the hospital that day in Bluefield, West Virginia.
2440
01:47:20.439 --> 01:47:22.079
So that's kind of hard to pull off. Maybe he
2441
01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:24.479
was a fucking teleporter, maybe, like some people believe that
2442
01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:27.520
sasquatch can like fucking teleport in and out. Maybe maybe, uh,
2443
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:31.479
you know, Henry Lee Lucas is bigfoot. Chris Piazza, then
2444
01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:33.880
a prosecutor in Little Rock, Arkansas, road of a specific
2445
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:36.800
nineteen eighty one robbery murder case in which Lucas claimed involvement,
2446
01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:40.119
that the testimony of Henry Lee Lucas is dubious to
2447
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:44.640
say the least, and that Lucas's testimony was inaccurate in
2448
01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:49.239
nearly every detail. So now no more field trips special
2449
01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:51.920
perks for Tool and Lucas. The Dog and Pony Show
2450
01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:54.920
is over. On September fifteenth, nineteen ninety six, at the
2451
01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:56.960
age of forty nine, Otis Tool would die in his
2452
01:47:57.079 --> 01:47:59.640
prison cell from liver failure. He was buried in the
2453
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:02.359
prisons cemetery. No one claimed his body. He ended up
2454
01:48:02.359 --> 01:48:05.039
being charged with six murders, the arson killing, the murder
2455
01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:07.600
of nineteen year old Ada Mildred Johnson, and four others.
2456
01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.880
On March twelfth, two thousand and one, at eleven pm,
2457
01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:13.680
Lucas was found dead in prison from heartfailure.
2458
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:14.520
He was sixty four.
2459
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:17.840
He was buried at Captain Joe Byrd Cemetery in Huntsfield, Texas.
2460
01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:20.960
As of twenty twelve, Lucas's grave is unmarked due to
2461
01:48:21.079 --> 01:48:24.359
vandalism and theft. Otis would end up being convicted of
2462
01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:27.279
I'm sorry. Lucas would end up being convicted of twelve murders,
2463
01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:31.239
but only three his mother, kave Rich and Becky Powell
2464
01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:34.720
seemed definitively tied to him. The other nine murders. He
2465
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:38.039
received life or lengthy prison sentences. Four were Deborah orange
2466
01:48:38.079 --> 01:48:40.720
Sox Jackson. We know now he didn't kill her. Lynda Phillips,
2467
01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:42.960
twenty six year old teacher from Coaffman County, Texas, stab
2468
01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:44.359
to death on August nineteen seventy.
2469
01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:45.279
Clemy E.
2470
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:48.439
Curtis police officer from cabl County, West Virginia, shot in
2471
01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:51.880
August of seventy six. Lily Pearl Darty, eighteen, raped and
2472
01:48:51.880 --> 01:48:55.880
shot in Harrison County, Texas. November seventy seven, Diana Bryant
2473
01:48:55.920 --> 01:49:00.399
strangled to deaths in Brownfield, Texas. Glenna Biggers x six
2474
01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:02.439
year old woman's stab with the fourteen inch knife, three
2475
01:49:02.439 --> 01:49:06.199
prong fork in Hale County, Texas, December eighty two. And
2476
01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:09.159
then identified female raped and strangled in Montgomery County, Texas
2477
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:14.039
sometime before March seventeenth, nineteen eighty three. And Laura Jene Domez,
2478
01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:18.359
sixteen year old, beatn and strangled Montgomery County, Texas, April thirteenth,
2479
01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:22.039
nineteen eighty three. And that all takes us out of
2480
01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:25.199
this big ol'd wopp in Texas. Tale of a time,
2481
01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:28.119
sug timeline.
2482
01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:30.119
Good job, soldier, you've made it.
2483
01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:32.079
Back then.
2484
01:49:38.119 --> 01:49:40.800
So what a weird story, right, I mean, most of
2485
01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:42.880
what you heard today might be true, or maybe very
2486
01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:45.319
little of it. I can't think of any other killers
2487
01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:48.279
who confess to crimes, A lot of crimes they for
2488
01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:51.640
sure didn't commit. What a strange game they played. Both
2489
01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:53.680
of them seem to have had the you know, two
2490
01:49:53.720 --> 01:49:55.520
of the worst childhoods ever, But can you even trust
2491
01:49:55.520 --> 01:49:58.640
that to be true? They feel like real life Boogeyman.
2492
01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:01.159
To me, their story feels a almost more like a
2493
01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:04.800
horror folklore than reality, Like who the fuck were these guys?
2494
01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:05.640
Will never really know?
2495
01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:08.640
Monsters who did God's knows, God knows what, Monsters who
2496
01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:10.560
like to trick as much as they like to harm.
2497
01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:12.880
I watched prison interviews with both of them, and what's
2498
01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:16.000
really disturbing is how much they both relished the attention
2499
01:50:16.479 --> 01:50:19.159
of people thinking that they were very prolific serial killers.
2500
01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:21.680
I mean, I mean, that's fucked up whether they did
2501
01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:25.319
it or not. Either way, they both clearly loved being infamous.
2502
01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:28.000
They loved the attention even though the attention was given
2503
01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:29.800
to them because people believed they were some of the
2504
01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:33.279
biggest pieces of shit that ever lived, and that desire
2505
01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:36.359
for any kind of fame feels very relevant to me.
2506
01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:38.920
In today's culture, you know, like a fair amount of
2507
01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:41.000
reality TV stars social media stars seemed to just want
2508
01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:43.520
to be famous and not care why they're famous. Like
2509
01:50:43.560 --> 01:50:45.239
you hear kids now, I know as a parent, you
2510
01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:48.159
know your kids now talk about how many youtubes subscribers are,
2511
01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:51.520
Instagram followers somebody has, And sometimes it seems like these
2512
01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:54.560
kids I talk to like these people only because they
2513
01:50:54.560 --> 01:50:56.800
have so many followers, only because they're quote unquote famous.
2514
01:50:57.079 --> 01:50:59.319
They think it's cool how famous they are, but they
2515
01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:01.960
don't really seem to care about what they actually did
2516
01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:06.119
to become famous. How strange right to admire someone just
2517
01:51:06.159 --> 01:51:08.920
because they're popular, as opposed to admiring them for their
2518
01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:12.600
artistic talent or inspirational story point of view or you
2519
01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:15.600
know whatever, something like that. I like the artists I
2520
01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:17.680
like regardless of who else likes them. I like some
2521
01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:19.840
artists that are very popular, and I like some artists
2522
01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:21.319
that almost fucking nobody knows.
2523
01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:21.960
You know.
2524
01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:23.960
I've always liked to think for myself to the point
2525
01:51:23.960 --> 01:51:25.720
that I truly understand why you would want to live
2526
01:51:25.760 --> 01:51:27.920
any other way. Like, now, why do you like sewing?
2527
01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:29.800
So if you have fifty million subscribers are famous.
2528
01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:32.560
Who gives a fuck? Don't be a sheep. Follow your
2529
01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:33.039
own interest.
2530
01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:34.800
Life is short, don't waste it fall in a pack
2531
01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:36.359
you're not even sure you want to be a part of.
2532
01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:39.439
Examine your own interests. You'll lead a much more authentic
2533
01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:42.680
and rewarding life. And you can say, hey, hey, you
2534
01:51:42.840 --> 01:51:44.800
are perpetuating the fame of these two dirt bags by
2535
01:51:44.840 --> 01:51:48.800
talking about him. Now hipocrit alert kind of, but not exactly.
2536
01:51:49.119 --> 01:51:52.319
I'm spreading knowledge about these dirt bags. I'm not glorifying them, right,
2537
01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:54.199
And I never pretend they're not monsters.
2538
01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:55.640
I never think they're cool.
2539
01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:57.920
Also, make it clear, you know, like, fuck these guys
2540
01:51:58.239 --> 01:51:59.520
if they were still alive and somehow for I woul
2541
01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:02.119
and piss on them if they're on fire. Some people
2542
01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:06.039
call themselves fans fans of true crime. I am not
2543
01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:08.840
a true crime fan. I'm not a fan of any
2544
01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:11.479
of these criminals. I think they're all pieces of shit.
2545
01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:14.960
I'm curious about them. I'm curious as to what type
2546
01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:17.640
of childhoods helped create these monsters. I'm curious about why
2547
01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:19.399
they behave like they did, how someone could go that
2548
01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:21.279
far off the rails, but not a fan.
2549
01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:24.199
Sometimes people ask you know, who's your favorite serial killer?
2550
01:52:24.239 --> 01:52:26.119
None of them. None of them are my favorite. I
2551
01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:28.399
don't have a favorite because they're fucking terrible, all of them.
2552
01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:31.079
I have someone I'm very fascinated by, but that's it.
2553
01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:33.439
I would rather put bullets in the heads of monsters
2554
01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:35.319
like these guys if they were still life, then get
2555
01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:36.520
an autograph.
2556
01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:37.680
From any of them. Like, fuck these guys.
2557
01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.600
I'm a fan of Da Vinci. I'm fan of Harriet Tubman.
2558
01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:42.479
I'm a fan of Martin Luther King. I'm a fan
2559
01:52:42.479 --> 01:52:46.239
of Elliott Roosevelt. You know, if I say Elliott eleanor
2560
01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:48.439
you know what I'm talking about, maybe there's a person
2561
01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:50.520
out there named Eliot Roosevelt. Fucking I should have just
2562
01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:52.560
left that and bean like, I like fucking Elliott Roosevelt,
2563
01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:54.399
and you'd be doing googles to who the fuck is
2564
01:52:54.399 --> 01:52:57.760
Elliott Roosevelt. A great person, he's a great artist. Now,
2565
01:52:57.760 --> 01:52:59.239
I'm a fan of JFK. You know, people who did
2566
01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:01.640
an incredit amount of good stuff. I'm inspired by their lives.
2567
01:53:02.600 --> 01:53:05.600
I'm just macobblely interested in the lives of these asshles,
2568
01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:07.960
And I'd be totally honest. I love making fun of them.
2569
01:53:08.079 --> 01:53:11.279
I love it. I enjoy the hell out of telling
2570
01:53:11.359 --> 01:53:13.439
dark jokes at the expense of these dark minded folks.
2571
01:53:13.439 --> 01:53:14.640
And I feel like there's almost no limits to the
2572
01:53:14.680 --> 01:53:16.800
jokes because they're so fucking horrible. I mean, come on,
2573
01:53:17.399 --> 01:53:20.560
seth Cox, scurry telling you might be a killer jokes
2574
01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:23.640
that's fun, right, come on, that's dark fun. Why am
2575
01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:25.159
I comedically amused by their dark tails?
2576
01:53:25.159 --> 01:53:26.119
I don't fucking know. I don't know.
2577
01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:28.119
I probably need a therapist tell me that. Maybe because
2578
01:53:28.119 --> 01:53:29.560
it makes me feel better but my own life to
2579
01:53:29.560 --> 01:53:31.239
look at theirs. I make plenty of mistakes, but I've
2580
01:53:31.279 --> 01:53:33.640
never choked out anyone. I've never raped anyone, never kill
2581
01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:35.720
my mom. Is that one of the reasons some of us,
2582
01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:37.000
you know, or many of us or most of us
2583
01:53:37.039 --> 01:53:38.359
like these stories? That part of it to make us
2584
01:53:38.359 --> 01:53:41.399
feel better about ourselves. I hope you feel better about
2585
01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.800
yourself right now. I hope you didn't listen to this
2586
01:53:43.840 --> 01:53:45.279
suck and think how wow.
2587
01:53:45.439 --> 01:53:46.000
I peace.
2588
01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:48.279
I'd hate to think. I hate to hear what Dan
2589
01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:52.239
thinks of me. I have done way more bad shits
2590
01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:56.000
than those two amateurs. And now I'm babbling. Let's get
2591
01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:59.920
out here, Let's wrap it up with today's Top five takeaways.
2592
01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:06.920
Top five Takeaway Number one Henry Lee Lucas had one
2593
01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:09.359
friend growing up when he's growing up in a dirt
2594
01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:12.119
floor cabin in Blacksburg, Virginia, and that friend was a mule,
2595
01:54:12.640 --> 01:54:16.560
and his mom shot that friend in the fucking face.
2596
01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:21.920
If you had only one friend growing up and your
2597
01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:25.880
mama shot that friend in the face with a shotgun
2598
01:54:26.199 --> 01:54:28.439
in front of you, you.
2599
01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:29.199
Might be a killer.
2600
01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:32.760
Number two Henry Le Lucas claimed to have killed hundreds
2601
01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:34.840
of people, he would only be convicted of twelve murders.
2602
01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:38.119
Outside of his confessions, actual evidence only links him to
2603
01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:41.960
three murders, his mama, his teen lover Becky, and eighty
2604
01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:45.760
year old one time employer Kate Rich. Number three Otis
2605
01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:48.000
Toole spent his teenage years working as a prostitute and
2606
01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:52.840
getting boners burning down abandoned homes in Jacksonville, Florida. If
2607
01:54:52.920 --> 01:54:57.000
you sold your literal ass for cash when you should
2608
01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:01.800
have been attending high school freshman or and your main
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turn on is burning a building to the ground.
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You might be a killer. Number four.
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Despite their infamy, despite all the time they spent traveled
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01:55:11.560 --> 01:55:13.880
around together, there's no hard evidence linkling the duo of
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01:55:13.880 --> 01:55:17.439
Henry Lucas Otis tool to a single murder committed together.
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Found that interesting number five new infos. Despite all my
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01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:23.840
talk about the murders they probably did not commit. There's
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01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:27.600
one very, very famous homicide that I've not mentioned that
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01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:30.640
many think to this day that Otis Tooles did commit.
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01:55:31.319 --> 01:55:33.960
In twenty eight, twenty seven years after the nineteen eighty
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01:55:33.960 --> 01:55:37.760
one murder of Adam Walsh. Twelve years after Otis's death,
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01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:41.920
authorities officially named tool as the likely killer. If you
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01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:44.800
don't recall, Adam Walsh was a son of John Walsh,
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01:55:44.920 --> 01:55:47.399
and his death and not knowing who killed his son
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01:55:47.479 --> 01:55:50.479
inspired John to help bring closure to other families, help
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01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:52.560
bring other criminals to justice, and he went on to
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01:55:52.600 --> 01:55:55.880
create and then host the most famous and effective crime
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01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:58.039
show ever, America's Most Wanted.
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Otis Toole Is.
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Believed to have killed the kid that led to the
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creation of a show that has caught more felons than
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01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:07.840
any other show. Over his twenty three year run, America's
2631
01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:10.720
Most Wanted led to the arrests of one thy one
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01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:14.079
and fifty four people by various law enforcement agencies. Tons
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01:56:14.119 --> 01:56:17.920
of murderers put behind bars, seventeen of the FBI's most
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01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:20.640
wanted criminals caught in like the top ten most one
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01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:23.880
due to this show. Toole claimed to have picked Walsh
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01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:26.159
up in a Seares Mall parking lot in Hollywood, Florida,
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01:56:26.600 --> 01:56:29.520
on July twenty seventh, nine sinety one. Toole said he
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01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:32.000
offered little kid candy and toys, and that Walsh came willingly.
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01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:35.680
Walsh soon wanted to go home, began crying Toole, City
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01:56:35.720 --> 01:56:38.439
then punched him in the face. Wall started crying more,
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01:56:38.439 --> 01:56:41.079
and according to Toole, he began to wallop Walsh, knocking
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01:56:41.159 --> 01:56:41.600
him out.
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01:56:41.840 --> 01:56:43.000
Tool eventually pulled.
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01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:45.960
Over in a rural area and decapitated the young boy
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01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:48.600
with a machete. He drove around for several days with
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01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:51.000
Walsh's head in the car, forgot about it, and upon
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01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:54.319
rediscovering it, tossed it into a nearby canal. Police send
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01:56:54.640 --> 01:56:58.439
inexplicably lost Tools impounded car when they later would pick
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01:56:58.520 --> 01:57:00.920
him up for arson and everything, and his blood stained
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01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:05.039
carpeting hindering their ability to precede the investigation. Tool would
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01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:07.159
confess his crime in nineteen eighty three and then recant
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01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:09.960
his confession. But John Walsh, who devoted the majority of
2653
01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:13.479
his adult life to capturing criminals continued to believe that
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01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:17.239
Otis did it, and Walsh knew all about Toole's false confessions,
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01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:21.000
and no one knew more about his son's case than John.
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01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:24.279
And if Toole committed that murder, who knows how many
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01:57:24.319 --> 01:57:26.000
of his other claims might have been true?
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01:57:26.520 --> 01:57:26.680
Right?
2659
01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:28.680
Well, many of his and Henry's claims were shot down.
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01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:31.720
There is still technically a chance that they committed hunters
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01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:34.359
of murders, right And a lot of those murders are
2662
01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:36.279
still unsolved. If they didn't, in fact, to him and
2663
01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:38.159
a lot of those murders, they may have been there,
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01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:42.720
their murderous mystery will probably continue forever.
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01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:50.199
Time Shuck Top five take away. The confession killer sucked.
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01:57:50.920 --> 01:57:53.680
Interesting tale, right, What a tough suck that was trying
2667
01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:56.039
to figure out even solid sources like Newsweek, Time, New
2668
01:57:56.119 --> 01:57:58.920
York Times, variety of established Texas newspapers like the Houston
2669
01:57:58.960 --> 01:58:00.720
Chronicle would conn predict one another.
2670
01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:03.199
It's ridiculous when you dig into this, it's like.
2671
01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:05.720
It's like there's not a single timeline or anything that
2672
01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:07.159
has the dates that are the same or the names
2673
01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:09.520
that it's fucking crazy. And it's not because the sources
2674
01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:11.640
were doing a bad job. No, it's because those two
2675
01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:15.159
dickheads kept changing their story interview after interview. They would
2676
01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:18.640
just give different dates, different names, different places for what
2677
01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:21.640
they were doing. What they did drove me fucking crazy
2678
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:24.000
trying to put it all together, and I couldn't figure
2679
01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:25.439
out if they were just like, you know, kind of
2680
01:58:25.439 --> 01:58:27.800
like criminal mastermind, just fucking with people, or just too
2681
01:58:27.880 --> 01:58:29.000
dumb to remember their lives.
2682
01:58:30.159 --> 01:58:31.119
But I did get to.
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01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:33.560
Crack myself up with all the stuff cock scurry jock, So.
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I hope that was worth it. I hope you enjoyed them.
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01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:36.520
Thanks to the Time Stuck Teams.
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Thanks to Queen of the Suck Lindsay Commens, High Priests
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01:58:38.439 --> 01:58:40.680
of the Suck, Harmony Bell at Camp, Reverend Doctor Joe
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horse Cock, Johnson Pailey, Mrida coming up soon thanks to
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the bit Elixir app Design Crew. New update currently in
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the final bit of test. I know I've been saying that,
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but we're you've just got one problem. There's literally one
2692
01:58:52.640 --> 01:58:55.600
last problem that we're trying to fix so that it
2693
01:58:56.119 --> 01:58:59.399
just really works well and you can enjoy all the bells, bells.
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01:58:59.199 --> 01:59:01.319
And whistles without being like, God, damn, fuck this thing.
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Because it's great thanks to Access Apparel script keeper Zach Flannery.
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Next week, we suck Mormonism. Oh it sucks some Mormons.
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01:59:10.039 --> 01:59:13.399
You can't wait to fucking suck them so hard. Scrap
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01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:17.119
ahold of that Mormon knowledge, you know, put it on
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01:59:17.199 --> 01:59:20.840
my fucking mouth and wrap my lips around it. We
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01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:22.520
dig into the history of the Church Latter day Saints.
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01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:24.479
How do they get to you, dah, What do they believe?
2702
01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:26.800
How did their religion form? Who's Joseph Smith? Who is
2703
01:59:26.800 --> 01:59:30.119
bringing me young? What is the f DLS? How does
2704
01:59:30.119 --> 01:59:32.880
it differentiate between you know, any differentiate between the fls
2705
01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:35.199
and lds? Who's Warren Jeff's Why is he in prison?
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01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:37.199
Right now? It's gonna be fascinating.
2707
01:59:37.239 --> 01:59:39.920
The Mormons have a very fascinating history, fascinating beliefs, and
2708
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:42.520
I don't think many non Mormons know much about him,
2709
01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:46.479
but we will soon if you listen, cannot wait, Hail
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01:59:46.560 --> 01:59:50.159
Nimrod Uh time now for time Sucker updates, and again
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01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:52.720
stick around for that new Moreta track at the very
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01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:54.039
end of the show.
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Updates.
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Get your Time Sucker update.
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Today's first update is you know, just cool shit. I
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02:00:04.399 --> 02:00:06.560
love a variety of perspectives. I'm not religious, but I
2717
02:00:06.640 --> 02:00:09.720
love hearing from religious suckers. This message comes in from
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02:00:09.800 --> 02:00:13.560
cool ass Christian sucker Jacob Good, who is good, who
2719
02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:16.279
writes to whom it may suck. I just want to
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02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:18.640
say a few things. One, I'm a devout Christian college student,
2721
02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:21.720
and I'm shocked at how similar some of our experiences are.
2722
02:00:22.199 --> 02:00:23.760
I was kicked out of my youth group for asking
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02:00:23.840 --> 02:00:26.159
questions and pointed about the hypocrisy in the church as well.
2724
02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:29.199
Or in the church as well, a group that claims
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02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:31.479
to be centered around love and forgiveness sure seems to
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02:00:31.520 --> 02:00:34.079
have an agenda similar to that of the Flat Earth widows,
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02:00:34.439 --> 02:00:36.399
and that there is a huge lack of thinking for
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02:00:36.479 --> 02:00:39.760
oneself and general decency. Sucks to hear that you were
2729
02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:42.920
treated poorly by religious fundamentalists. My motto is, don't be
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02:00:42.960 --> 02:00:45.359
a jerk for Jesus, and I agree with you on
2731
02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:45.800
so much.
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02:00:46.079 --> 02:00:47.439
I'm not bashing my own beliefs.
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02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:49.279
I just want you to know that I recognize and
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02:00:49.319 --> 02:00:51.199
agree with most of your thoughts on organized religion.
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02:00:51.359 --> 02:00:52.960
People need to learn and think for themselves.
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02:00:53.520 --> 02:00:56.880
Second, I just listened to the Westboro Baptist Church episode,
2737
02:00:57.000 --> 02:00:59.000
and boy did that work me up. My dad is
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02:00:59.039 --> 02:01:01.560
a marine, and the more I learned about them, the
2739
02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:05.640
more I worked up in absolute rage. Anyways, this is
2740
02:01:05.640 --> 02:01:08.399
the email I sent into the church email address after
2741
02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:11.880
listening to that suck. The Bible says that greater love
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02:01:12.159 --> 02:01:15.039
has no man than this, than he who lays down
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02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.000
his life for his friend. However, you'd probably say that
2744
02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:20.800
those texts were added to deceive us. My father has
2745
02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:22.840
served his country for over thirty years as the United
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02:01:22.880 --> 02:01:26.159
States Marine. He has fought alongside men with the fortitude
2747
02:01:26.159 --> 02:01:29.920
and courage that you wouldn't believe. He has seen friends, mentors,
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02:01:29.960 --> 02:01:33.399
sons and daughters throw themselves into harm's way to save others.
2749
02:01:33.720 --> 02:01:35.520
My father has been a man to jump in front
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02:01:35.560 --> 02:01:38.479
of bullets to save others. He has received the Purple
2751
02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:42.199
Heart for his incredible bravery, and he deserves so much more.
2752
02:01:42.680 --> 02:01:44.560
He is the bravest man I know. And the fact
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02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:47.439
that you cower here in America, where you have the
2754
02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:51.600
privilege of free speech, and you use that privilege to
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02:01:51.680 --> 02:01:56.239
press your oppressive, ignorant, inbred hate speech regarding homosexuals and
2756
02:01:56.279 --> 02:02:00.520
the armed forces, it is truly abominable. As is, this
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02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:03.800
makes me Jesus does love you don't ask me how
2758
02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:06.560
or why, but he does. And I hope and pray
2759
02:02:06.680 --> 02:02:09.520
you realize you don't reflect the reason He died for us,
2760
02:02:09.760 --> 02:02:13.199
and you see the hurt that you cause. Also, the
2761
02:02:13.319 --> 02:02:16.000
single out of context versus you pull from the word
2762
02:02:16.039 --> 02:02:19.640
of God to fuel your horrible propaganda is deceitful on
2763
02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:23.039
a level I have never seen. Hate is easy to give.
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02:02:23.479 --> 02:02:27.239
Love is a choice we make. Love makes us human.
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02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:31.439
And he says, anyways, you're welcome. That was fucking beautiful. Anyways,
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02:02:31.479 --> 02:02:33.600
You're welcome for this novel of an email. I'm passionate
2767
02:02:33.640 --> 02:02:35.119
and I love your stuff. Keep up the good work.
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02:02:35.159 --> 02:02:37.279
Don't worry about me being a Christian. I'll be that
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02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:39.600
great Christian friend who never tries to convert you, knowing
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02:02:39.680 --> 02:02:42.000
full well I know where I'm going and the fire
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02:02:42.079 --> 02:02:47.079
letters do you? Halho Jangles, San Diego, California. Man, Thank you,
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02:02:47.640 --> 02:02:50.199
mister good. First of all, thanks you for being such
2773
02:02:50.199 --> 02:02:52.359
a cool son to your dad. Thank your dad for
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02:02:52.359 --> 02:02:52.840
his service.
2775
02:02:52.880 --> 02:02:54.479
Man. I love how much you love your dad.
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02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:56.920
And you also seem to be a wonderful Christian and
2777
02:02:56.920 --> 02:02:58.680
a wonderful mean's like and I apologize for making you
2778
02:02:58.720 --> 02:03:00.520
feel that you needed to write, don't worry about me
2779
02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:04.039
being a Christian. I admittedly get too judging about religion
2780
02:03:04.039 --> 02:03:05.199
all the time, and I need to be putting my
2781
02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:08.000
fucking place and I'm working on it. I work on it,
2782
02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:10.399
and I love you guys are helping me work on it.
2783
02:03:11.000 --> 02:03:14.520
Just know that I know that me not believing in
2784
02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:17.359
religion doesn't mean that I think that I'm right, because
2785
02:03:17.359 --> 02:03:19.640
I don't. I think I don't know, and that's very
2786
02:03:19.680 --> 02:03:21.840
different than thinking I'm right. I think there's a chance
2787
02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:24.680
Christians could absolutely be right right. I forget that some days,
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02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:26.760
but I do know it to be true. I haven't
2789
02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:28.880
been dead, you know. I haven't explored the other side.
2790
02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:30.840
I haven't come back to report. What the fuck do
2791
02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:34.279
I know? Not much nothing about the other side. I
2792
02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:37.199
don't know anything. I love your faith gives you comfort,
2793
02:03:37.239 --> 02:03:40.039
I really do. Thank your dad for his service to me.
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02:03:40.079 --> 02:03:42.600
A game man, keep being my Christian friend, and just
2795
02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:45.960
keeping on a beautiful bastard. Thank you for that update.
2796
02:03:46.520 --> 02:03:49.560
Now for a vaccination update from doctor Heather, who writes
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02:03:50.279 --> 02:03:51.960
High King of the Suck and the Whole Time Sook Team.
2798
02:03:52.000 --> 02:03:54.560
I'm a pediatrician and just listen to the anti vaccination suck.
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02:03:54.880 --> 02:03:56.680
I just want to say, bravo. You did an amazing
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02:03:56.720 --> 02:04:00.239
job covering how vaccines work, including some immunology which is
2801
02:04:00.359 --> 02:04:03.359
very complex, the history of vaccines, and why vaccines are
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02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:05.720
safe and save lives. I appreciate you covering this topic
2803
02:04:05.760 --> 02:04:07.880
because we need to be more vocal and louder than
2804
02:04:07.920 --> 02:04:11.159
the anti vaccination faction so that the truth about vaccines
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02:04:11.199 --> 02:04:13.960
can be heard. Ultimately, parents are concerned about their kids,
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02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:16.560
but sometimes misinformed and misguided. I spend so much time
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02:04:16.600 --> 02:04:17.920
discussing the safety of vaccines on.
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02:04:17.920 --> 02:04:18.680
A daily basis.
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Moving forward, I always refer my patients to your time suck.
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02:04:25.039 --> 02:04:25.640
Patients, I e.
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02:04:25.800 --> 02:04:28.199
Parents, Yeah, thank you to your time suck and it
2812
02:04:28.239 --> 02:04:30.960
will save me loads of times. Ha keep on sucking,
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02:04:31.159 --> 02:04:33.880
doctor Heather, Well, hell niver on doctor Heather and uh,
2814
02:04:33.920 --> 02:04:35.680
you know what, be careful, Be careful which patients you
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02:04:35.680 --> 02:04:38.359
share this suck with. I want to spread the suck well.
2816
02:04:38.399 --> 02:04:41.640
Also maybe not get fired right or lose patients. Let's
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02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:43.239
face it, I say a lot of shit. It's not
2818
02:04:43.279 --> 02:04:45.600
going to be appreciated by quite a few people. Your
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02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:47.319
email made me very happy. I wish I would have
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02:04:47.319 --> 02:04:49.199
gone further than my bachelor's degree.
2821
02:04:49.199 --> 02:04:49.800
With my education.
2822
02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:51.600
It makes you feel good to know some doctors out
2823
02:04:51.600 --> 02:04:55.720
there don't think I'm a total idiot. Speaking of doctors,
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02:04:56.359 --> 02:04:59.439
fake ass doctor alert coming in from time suck Or Stephen.
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02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:03.359
Stephen writes, dear doctor, Reverend Lord of the suck, Dan commings,
2826
02:05:03.760 --> 02:05:05.640
I'm reminding you today because after meeting with a doctor
2827
02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:07.159
at my job, she handed me your card.
2828
02:05:07.159 --> 02:05:08.600
I looked at the name and saw a very Polish
2829
02:05:08.640 --> 02:05:09.199
looking name.
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02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:11.960
My first thought was a Polish woman, How did she
2831
02:05:12.000 --> 02:05:14.439
ever get the intelligence stevehn go to school, followed shortly
2832
02:05:14.439 --> 02:05:17.159
by the thought of God, damn it, Dan, your Polish
2833
02:05:17.159 --> 02:05:18.680
bashing is burd his way into my mind.
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02:05:19.399 --> 02:05:20.960
Thought you'd like to know what you've done to me.
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02:05:20.960 --> 02:05:23.720
Hail Nimrod, blessed people, Jangles begone, Lucifina, but come back
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02:05:23.800 --> 02:05:26.720
later and praise be to the master Socker future space
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02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:27.479
Aser's Steven.
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02:05:27.640 --> 02:05:28.319
Thank you, Steven.
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02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:30.079
I like the first part of your email very much,
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02:05:30.279 --> 02:05:32.279
but just regarding the second part, I haven't tricked you.
2841
02:05:33.119 --> 02:05:35.319
That Polish impostor tricked you, right. I think it's cue
2842
02:05:35.359 --> 02:05:37.600
that woman can dress up like a doctor, but there's
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02:05:37.680 --> 02:05:40.159
no way that she's as good as a man. Listen,
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we all know that Polish people aren't human. So bottom line,
2845
02:05:43.439 --> 02:05:45.520
you were tricked and you need to call the hospital
2846
02:05:45.520 --> 02:05:48.520
and report that fucking beast before they kill somebody because
2847
02:05:48.520 --> 02:05:50.359
they can't you tell the difference between the seth scope
2848
02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:54.680
and scalpel, right, kidding about part of it about the
2849
02:05:54.680 --> 02:05:56.600
woman part. Women are every bit as smartest man. I
2850
02:05:56.640 --> 02:05:58.000
hope you know that, and hope you know it's kid
2851
02:05:58.079 --> 02:06:00.600
about Polish people as well. Listeners, if you're new, Uh,
2852
02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:02.960
how I said how, I actually think that Polish women
2853
02:06:03.039 --> 02:06:05.960
are among the world's most sexy and beautiful. I do
2854
02:06:06.039 --> 02:06:07.399
believe that, and I think that's why I feel okay
2855
02:06:07.399 --> 02:06:09.359
t's and Polish women are hot as fuck, an's super
2856
02:06:09.359 --> 02:06:11.399
smart and often fierce and strong. Just do not tell
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02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:13.439
Queen of the Suck Lindsay I said any of that,
2858
02:06:13.479 --> 02:06:15.439
because we will have it a race from the episode
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02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:19.640
awesome snake update coming in from Time Sucker Ruben Bates.
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02:06:20.079 --> 02:06:23.039
Ruben writes, Hello, oh, holy suck Master Prophet of Nimrod.
2861
02:06:23.079 --> 02:06:24.920
My name is Reuben and I just finished The Homeless
2862
02:06:24.960 --> 02:06:27.920
Suck so I'm a little behind. But anyways, don't know
2863
02:06:27.960 --> 02:06:30.560
if anybody else mentioned this to you, but some snakes
2864
02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:35.239
like the Taiwanese keelback, are both venomous and poisonous. And
2865
02:06:35.239 --> 02:06:38.119
this regarding my confusion for the difference between venomous and poisonous.
2866
02:06:38.560 --> 02:06:41.840
Most snakes are either venomous or non venomous, but there
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02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:44.680
are exceptions, just so you'd like to know and remember,
2868
02:06:45.039 --> 02:06:48.439
If it bites you and you die, it's venomous. If
2869
02:06:48.479 --> 02:06:52.119
you bite it and you die, it's poisonous. If you
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02:06:52.199 --> 02:06:54.439
bite each other and you like it, it's kinky.
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Ha I like it. Crack me up.
2872
02:06:57.640 --> 02:06:59.399
I first read that. If I really cracked me up,
2873
02:06:59.439 --> 02:07:00.960
I like your little thing. At the end there, Reuben
2874
02:07:01.319 --> 02:07:05.520
loved the mix of trivia and humor, and finally, a
2875
02:07:05.720 --> 02:07:10.359
very very very cool update coming in from longtime sucker
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02:07:10.680 --> 02:07:15.439
Jessica Casillas. Jessica, she's been updating us for a while now,
2877
02:07:15.479 --> 02:07:18.319
for about two years now on the progress of her
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02:07:18.359 --> 02:07:20.880
deported husband, who's been stuck out of the country because
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02:07:20.920 --> 02:07:24.399
of certain immigration laws and been separated from his family,
2880
02:07:24.439 --> 02:07:25.960
been working his ass off trying to get back. They've
2881
02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:28.800
been terrified that he would just be you know, gone
2882
02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:31.000
forever and just you know, forced to live in a
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02:07:31.000 --> 02:07:33.399
country that he actually never lived in. Other than when
2884
02:07:33.399 --> 02:07:36.119
he was a baby where he doesn't know anything about it. Really,
2885
02:07:37.039 --> 02:07:38.960
Dear Master the Suck and spouse with the poopo ree
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02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:39.840
hair Queen of the Suck.
2887
02:07:40.920 --> 02:07:42.920
Nice little reference to Lindsay there at her Instagram there.
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02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:45.600
Yeah, you can follow Lindsay if you're curious about that
2889
02:07:45.840 --> 02:07:47.640
at Queen of the Suck. I have an update in
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02:07:47.640 --> 02:07:50.640
regard to my husband's immigration process. After six hundred and
2891
02:07:50.680 --> 02:07:52.640
four days of him being in Mexico, he finally had
2892
02:07:52.680 --> 02:07:57.800
his appointment for his green card. He got approved. Yeah,
2893
02:07:57.920 --> 02:08:00.560
he'll be able to finally come home once he receivestry paperwork,
2894
02:08:00.560 --> 02:08:02.119
which can take up to two weeks. You'll finally be
2895
02:08:02.159 --> 02:08:04.199
able to set foot on US soil for the first
2896
02:08:04.199 --> 02:08:04.600
time in.
2897
02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:07.439
His life as a legal immigrant. Fuck. Yeah.
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02:08:07.720 --> 02:08:09.039
Just want to thank you, the Queen the Suck and
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02:08:09.079 --> 02:08:11.479
everyone you kept us in their prayers, thoughts and all
2900
02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:14.239
the cocker spaniel sacrifices made the Nimro to help our cause.
2901
02:08:14.279 --> 02:08:16.079
I wouldn't have made it through these twenty months without
2902
02:08:16.079 --> 02:08:18.560
the kindness from the Culture Curious and your willingness to
2903
02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:21.319
cover this subject, as well as all the awesome episodes
2904
02:08:21.319 --> 02:08:23.000
to get me through my days. Thanks for all that
2905
02:08:23.039 --> 02:08:26.720
you do. Keep on sucking, mastersucker. You guys are the best.
2906
02:08:27.039 --> 02:08:34.000
Ah shit, yeah, Jessica, Okay Aha, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.
2907
02:08:34.520 --> 02:08:36.439
Look, I see his family took on the Department of
2908
02:08:36.439 --> 02:08:40.000
Immigration and one well. Victory not just for them but
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02:08:40.039 --> 02:08:43.800
for loving family, A nice chance for remind America that
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02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:46.840
our land is a land founded by immigrants.
2911
02:08:47.199 --> 02:08:50.720
Let's not lose that. Look great melting pots.
2912
02:08:51.119 --> 02:08:53.399
Stop being spicy and tasty if we don't mix in
2913
02:08:53.520 --> 02:08:58.600
some of that sweet Mexican suffer. Love you, Jessica, Hug
2914
02:08:58.640 --> 02:09:02.279
that motherfucker tight for all of us, and Hail Nimrod.
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02:09:05.279 --> 02:09:09.119
Thanks time, suckers. I need a next We all did
2916
02:09:10.279 --> 02:09:11.439
have a great week. Everyone.
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02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:13.760
Do not kill anyone, but if you do, for God's sake,
2918
02:09:13.760 --> 02:09:14.359
be honest about it.
2919
02:09:14.359 --> 02:09:14.800
He killed.
2920
02:09:15.239 --> 02:09:18.600
And keep on sucking and hang around after this sounder
2921
02:09:18.880 --> 02:09:31.399
for Joe motherfucking Paisley. Hi am Joe Paisley, with the
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02:09:32.199 --> 02:09:34.479
with the band Moretta and this is our new song.
2923
02:09:34.920 --> 02:09:37.920
And this is our new song in need of better?
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02:09:38.520 --> 02:09:40.439
Who nailed it? Nailed it?
2925
02:10:00.399 --> 02:10:04.159
Emotional absence, search for cry.
2926
02:10:05.439 --> 02:10:07.279
The way it was just begun?
2927
02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:08.960
What was done?
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02:10:09.079 --> 02:10:10.520
Company of Gods?
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02:10:11.640 --> 02:10:13.439
In pursuit of better?
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02:10:13.560 --> 02:10:19.279
Day in a straightful and we lost a lost of
2931
02:10:19.640 --> 02:10:24.680
lost my way, so.
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02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:53.119
New feel.
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02:10:55.880 --> 02:10:58.159
And ecusess.
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02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:03.520
It gives me old been two more than mild thoughts
2935
02:11:03.560 --> 02:11:05.840
and baker thoughts.
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02:11:06.880 --> 02:11:11.479
You no way to shadow shuts, U pull myself up, clear.
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02:11:11.399 --> 02:12:06.239
That I'm m I know, keep me.
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02:12:07.600 --> 02:12:12.359
Not that I want or I got need to.
2939
02:12:13.359 --> 02:12:21.800
Somehow reduced this boy to b s sity emotions.
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02:12:22.119 --> 02:12:23.840
Still try to get jail.
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02:12:23.880 --> 02:12:30.079
Process the scope of my less show shot.
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Okay, see something got.
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Play god.
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Kids, go free get away for a list, we'd stay
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on a line and stay on a family holiday to Britain.
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Look forward to easy packing and onboard relaxing plus driving
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That's a lot of school runs, a lot of last
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minute getaways, a lot of unforgettable journeys.
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Henry Lee Lucas the only Texas Death Row inmates to
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be spared in execution by former President George W. Bush
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during his six years as governor of Texas. During those
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same six years, another one hundred and fifty two inmates
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were executed. Why did Bush commute Lucas's death sentence to
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life in prison just four days before a man once
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thought to be America's most prolific serial killer was set
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to receive a lethal injection. I mean, at one point,
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Lucas was considered a person of interest in around six
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hundred different murders. In nineteen eighty four, the Texas Rangers
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created the Lucas Task Force specifically to solve murders thought
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to be committed by Henry Lee Lucas, and they officially
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cleared two hundred and thirteen previously unsolved murders.
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Two hundred and thirteen murders.
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The Texas from forty states talked to Lucas about an
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estimated three thousand different homicides.
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So why did Bush let him live?
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Because even though Lucas had already been convicted of eleven murders,
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he'd only been sends to death for one of those murders,
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and his involvement in that one death row conviction was
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beyond uncertain. Lucas had been condemned to die for the
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killing of an unidentified woman whose body was found in
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a ditch in nineteen seventy nine. The discovery of this victim,
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who became known as Orange Socks because that was all
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she was wearing when investigators found her body outside of Georgetown, Texas,
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was highly publicized. The murder of Orange Socks would end
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up being featured on America's Most Wanted two separate times,
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and Henry Lee Lucas confessed to her murder four separate times.
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So he did it right? No, not likely.
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He was convicted of her murder by a jury based
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entirely on his confessions, but it does not seem to
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be likely that he ever even saw her, let alone
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had anything to do with her death. No DNA evidence
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linked him to the crime. Work records and a cased
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paycheck indicated that he was hours and hours away in Jacksonville, Florida,
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at the time she died.
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No witnesses linked mister Lucas to the crime.
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Only his confessions linked him, and by the time Bush
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had spared Lucas's life, it was well known that Henry's
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confessions were beyond questionable. This dude loved to confess to
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murder unlike anybody else before or since.
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He became known for a time as the confession Killer.
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Actually, he became known as one of two confession killers,
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the other killer being his former partner in crime, Otis Toole.
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Otis would end up being convicted for six murders, but
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like Henry, he would confess to many many more. He
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would claim to help Henry kill one hundred and eight people,
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and he killing another nine people all by himself. These
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two claim that there were members of a network of
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Satanic killers known as the Hands of Death.
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They said they would receive.
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Calls at payphones from an anonymous Satanic leader who told
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him when and where and who to kill to please
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Satan and bring discord and pain to earth. Today's tale
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is a very strange one. We know that Henry le
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Lucas and Otis Tool were killers. The evidence was there
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for sure for some of their crimes. We know that
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they traveled together all around the country for years. We
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know people did disappear and die in the places they visited,
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and we know a lot of people think they did,
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in fact kill far more victims than they were convicted
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of killing. We also know that they for sure lied
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about a lot of other killings. Today, I'm gonna do
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my best to separate as much fact from fiction as
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I can as I look into just exactly how terrible
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these two dirt bags were. On another bloody true crime
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addition of Time Suck.
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This is Michael McDonald, and you're listening to time Suck,
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your mistake to talk.
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Suck Happy Monday, time Suckers and meat sacks. I'm Dan
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come as the Master of the suck Verse, King the Suck,
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Holy suck Master, Prophet of Nimrod, and you are listening
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to Timesuck, and Timesuck has brought you today by my
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new Scared to Death po That's right, I'll sponsoring myself
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because I believe myself and because I gave myself an
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incredible sponsored discount. The first two episodes of my new
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paranormal horror podcast, Scared to Death, where I try to
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scare the shit out of my wife Lindsay with two
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allegedly true tales, comes out next week Tuesday, September seventeenth,
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at midnight Pacific time, Available on all the standard podcast players.
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You can watch the new show on the Bad Magic
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Productions YouTube channel. Check out our new bad Magic studio,
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different spot, different than this show where it's being a filmed,
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same little office area, different little studio, fancy cool little
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mural backdrop, all kinds of occult objects all over the
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desk linked to that in the episode description. And I
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had something happened to me last week that I think
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will will help me tell a better tale of paranormal horror.
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I'm a skeptical person, but I had something very strange
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and hard to explain and happened at the Rainbow Room
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on the Sunset Strip on August twenty ninth, where Lindsay
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and Ayah and my longtime agent and buddy Joe Eschenbab
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had dinner before my show at the Comedy Store in Hollywood.
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Showbies a very fun show, by the way, as were
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the Comedy Store shows and the.
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Hoya, which were packed.
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Anyway, I went to the bathroom in the Rainbow Room
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technically the Rainbow Bar and Grill before an early dinner
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around five pm. It's a landmark restaurant, no mostly for
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being a hard rock hangout for decades. Alice Cooper used
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to eat there all the time. Lemmy from Motorhead was
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there almost every day for the last two decades of
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his life, and he wasn't on tour. The guy from
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guns A rows his poison, Motley Crewe, on and on.
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John Belushi apparently ate his last meal there. Former Suck
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subject Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio had their first date there.
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I could scald you. I finished at the journal, I
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even bringing that up. I've never bought up something like
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the bathroom and the craziest thing happened. And then she
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this has happened before. Fucking weird that she would just
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jump immediately to that. I get goosebumps, and then she goes, oh,
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was it on and I'm like yes, and she goes, oh,
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I got some stories for you, and then she runs
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off to do something and actually never comes back to
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tell those stories. Lindy didn't see her as well, so
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she wasn't some ghost or something. I think she clocked
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out and left. Maybe she just sees weird shit happened
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so much it's just not interesting to talk about for
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show them kind of how small it is, how weird
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it was. And then when I'm in there, I think,
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for that? Yeah? Sure, I don't know, I guess so
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you know, But I swear I also felt like something
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was in that fucking room with me. It felt so weird,
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that will make telling spooky stories I'm Scared to death
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is a lot more fun. So a good time in
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that way, I guess, But I hope it never fucking
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happens again because I didn't like it, So subscribe and
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tune in. Also, speaking of hard rock and metal, do
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you like Marieta Fuck?
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Yeah you do.
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Be sure to stick around after the episode today and
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meet Zach. Special treat for you the exclusive world premiere
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of a new song from Maretta. That's Joe Paisey's band.
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That's Joe Horsecock Johnson Paisey's band. Their new track, in
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Need of Better, was written, recorded, mixed, and master right
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here in CDA Idaho Pride. It'll be available to the
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general public this Friday, the thirteenth. Guess what, motherfuckers, You
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don't have to wait, because there's always special treatment for
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the chosen few. Spawn from deep inside in Imron's ball sack,
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today's episode description. Go feed your ear host, tell your friends,
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do us a favor. Even if hard rock metal isn't
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your genre of choice, click it. Every additional play in
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comment pushes that video up in YouTube's algorithm makes Joe
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Paisey's hard expand like the fucking Grinch in the Christmas Story.
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It makes it easier for people to find his band.
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He's really good promise. Uh so there's that and also
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so yes, so stick around for that. Some of you
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may have noticed the last week in our beloved private
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Facebook group for Timesuck to cult Tore the Curious was
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disabled put in Facebook jail. We now we're out. We're
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back out. Facebook recently changes community standards. The general public's
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increasingly delicate sensibilities must be guarded at all costs. No
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peanut but butter jokes, no showbi ish. What if someone
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gets triggered social media suddenly becoming very or Willian gota
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We gott to soften all the edges it's got around
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all the world's corners, you know, before someone falls down,
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gets a fucking booboo, gets aUI God forbid people just
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you know, avoid content they don't like and be fucking
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grown ups and opt out of groups that bother them groups.
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No one is putting a gun to their goddamn head
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forcing them to join. It's so ridiculous. I'm no fan
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of trolls. In mindless hate. I'm a huge fan of freedom, though,
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and I just prefer to let anyone say whatever they
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want to say and never attempt to censor them. I've
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never attempted to send her anybody but Facebook not my company,
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their own community, and they're deciding.
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To play it, you know, safer than I would prefer.
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little tighter inside the group. However, our time took discord
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as you can click to that on the episode description
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if you if you need darker humor than Facebook will
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now allow. Uh, just be sure to uh, you know,
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before you click that link on the time suck app.
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We know that the private Facebook group means a lot
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to a lot of you. You find solace whatever troubles
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you're going through. You made friends, had your gofund me campaigns,
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you know, uh funded, you know, you found important relationships.
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it going. This community means a lot to us. Uh,
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So don't worry, We're not gonna you know, uh, let
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them take it away. We'll rebuild it if we have to.
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It's upright now. The Cultual and Curious Facebook page still
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has plenty of Edge of Time Suck related content. Also,
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by the way, just maybe less shadows of Paisy's massive
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horse cock and maybe less names about sticking bananas in
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your asshole that kind of stuff. I just wanted to
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update you and know that you know we're gonna, We're gonna.
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We're on top of it as best we can. Harmony
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Bella camp over here full time now, making sure that
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you know community is taken care of. We love you
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guys and want to make sure you get what you
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know you want out of it. All right, quick tour dates,
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then on to the Confession Killers. I promise Dolly Hall
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in Chicago's Friday the thirteenth's gonna be a fun show.
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Queena sucklendsay traveling with me for that one. Copper Blues
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and Phoenix next weekend September nineteenth to the twenty first
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stand up shows and Live Ant Hill Kids podcast on
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of Bob and Tom September twenty sixth to twenty eighth West,
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Palm Beach improv week after that Wednesday, October ninth, Side
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Splitters in Tampa October ten to the thirteenth, and then
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my new stand up special tape into the Crow Footballroom
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in Pontiac, Michigan, just outside Detroit, October eighteenth. Late shows
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Then Minneapolis the next night, October nineteenth, ten thousand last
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Comedy Festival. And thank you to everybody who comes out
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to these shows. I've been working hard to stand up
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for nineteen years, and I think I'm I think I'm
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all right at it. I think I think I'm pretty decent,
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and you guys are making me better. You guys are
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making me the best comic I've ever been to. Fucking blast.
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Thank you. Now.
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Now, le's see what kind of laughs week can come
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up with. Talking about two huge paces of shit time
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for the Confession Killers, Henry Lee, Lucas an Otis toole
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who were they? We're gonna try and find out today,
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but it's not gonna be easy, you know, because you know,
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one of the things we know about them both, as
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I pointed out up top, is that they love to lie.
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Henry in particular.
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You read ten different accounts of Henry Lee Lucas's life,
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and you're gonna get ten different stories.
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Why because every.
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Time Henry was interviewed he gave slightly different details or
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sometimes vastly different. The only story he couldn't seem to
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tell was the same story twice.
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So damn it. Why do murders also have to be liars?
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Why can't this suck be about two very trustworthy homicidal maniacs.
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Both Henry and Otis loved to shock and too disturbed.
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They love to fuck with investigators. They love the attention
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they got from investigators. You know, when they were able
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to convince them they knew how to clear up some
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unsolved mystery, they were rewarded with cigarettes, milkshakes, field trips
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to crime scenes around the country.
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Little uh, prestige, and jail.
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A lot of tax payer money went into flying Henry Lucas,
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in particular, all around the country. Henry was able to
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get himself out of jail with his confessions. You know,
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get to eat out at nice restaurants, sleeping nice hotel
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rooms instead of eating prison cafeterias, sloping sleeping in a
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tiny cell. I'll do my best to differentiate today between
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fact and speculation, but their stories weave so frequently back
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between the two it will not be easy. I'll try
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and point out when it'll be just flat out impossible.
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So let's start their tale, as we almost always do
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here at the beginning. Just like we know that both
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Lucas and Tool were killers, we also know they both
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had horrible childhoods. And just like we don't know how
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many people they did kill, we also don't know exactly
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how horrible their childhoods were.
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some of.
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What they claimed is true, then we know that these
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two killers were made, not born, because the abuse they
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supposedly suffered by the very people who were supposed to
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protect them from abuse in life was at night Marrish.
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Today's time timeline will begin at the birth of Henry Lucas,
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run all the way up until he met Otis Toole.
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back up until he met Henry Lee Lucas, and then
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we'll march forward until both of them were incarcerated for
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last for at least some of the murders they probably committed,
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and then onto their deaths, and then we'll bounce out
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and talk about their lives a little bit more.
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Does this sound good? Sound good? Trying to try to
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set it up for success? Okay, all right, good? Where
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everybody's right? All right, fantastic. Let's march meet sacks, Strap
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on those boots, soldier.
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We're marching down a time suck tipeline. On August twenty third,
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nineteen thirty six, Henry Lee Lucas was born in his
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family's dirt floor having log cabin just outside of Blacksburg, Virginia.
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Blacksburg is now the roughly forty two thousand person home
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of Virginia Tech. In two thousand and seven, it was
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the scene of the Virginia Tech shootings, when thirty two
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people were killed another seventeen wounded by a loan gun.
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by a single gunment in US history. Sadly, that is
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no longer the case. In twenty eleven, Blacksburg was named
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best place in the US to raise your kids by BusinessWeek,
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and that same year the readers of Southern Living named
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it the best college town in the South. Blacksburg High
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in the nation for academics. It's a small city that
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has seen a lot of ups and downs. Lately seems
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to be up. It's been around for a long time,
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a home for higher education and civic pride today. Still
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pretty backwoods nineteen thirty six. Town didn't get its first
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police officer until nineteen thirty seven. Blacksburg was just starting
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to become modern when Henry Lee Lucas showed up, getting
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its first street lights in nineteen thirty five. At that
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time it had around fifteen hundred people and many lived
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in poverty. Many were still pretty hillbillyish, and the Lucas
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family may have been the most backwoods, most hillbillyus family
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in all of Blacksburg. Henry was born to forty year
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old Nelly Viola Lucas and thirty one year old Anderson
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No Legs Lucas. More on No Legs than that nickname
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in a minute, I say Nelly was roughly forty when
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Henry was born. That's a guest ofmate could not track
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down an obituary for her, despite a lot of digging.
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Not sure one exists, at least not one that exists online.
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By the time she died, Nelly was pretty universally hated
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by her family, and I don't get the feeling that
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anyone went out of their way to hold some kind
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of memorial service. So info on her is scarce. Most
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of it comes from Lucas himself. Sources list her, you know,
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anywhere from forty to early fifties at the time in
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Henry's birth. Her maiden name was Waugh, and unfortunately, there
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were several Waws born in the late nineteenth century and
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earliest twenty century around Virginia. If I had the guest
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based I want to can find, I would say she
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was born in eighteen ninety one, making her forty four
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forty five when Henry was born. However, she may have
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been up to ten years you know, younger, maybe been
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a few years older. She's trying to be transparent.
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However old she was.
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Nelly was the family's breadwinner, and she made her money
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as a prostitute.
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And she wasn't exactly a high end prostitute.
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She was a middle aged, not terribly attractive men as hell,
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working out of a dirt floor backwoods for Ginia. Cabin
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during the Great Depression prostitute not trying to get all
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high horses. High horses. There we go, making up some
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new words and judge, but I would have rather smacked
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my dick with a stick rather than take it anywhere
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near Nessy Lucas. But apparently she was fairly busy with customers.
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I can only imagine what kind of creeps these dudes were.
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I picture guys who would barely need makeup to play
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a zombie on The Walking Dead. Her customers would pay
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ten cents to come to the Lucas family home and
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have sex with Mama Lucas on the bed she shared
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with her husband.
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Awesome, so fun.
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And she had anywhere from nine to thirty kids depending
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on the source, and who knows who any of their
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real fathers were. Anderson played the part of dad, but
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birth control clearly wasn't something practiced in the Lucas household,
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and her uterus had his fair share of human tedpoles
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looking around base, mostly one on Henry would say later,
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but also occasionally corroborated by some siblings on their eye.
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And this is Viola Nelly.
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She went by both names fucking monster like somewhere between
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Casey Anthony and Joseph Fritzel on the How much of
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an evil fuck of a parent are you Scale? I'm
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convinced you will soon hate her, But first let's talk
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about old No lakes. No Legs was the super clever
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nickname given to Anderson by the townsfolk of Blacksbury.
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Because can you guess he didn't have any legs?
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Do you get it?
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Do you get how witty that is?
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He had no legs, so they called him Da no Legs.
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Oh man, I wonder what other cool creative nicknames the
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town characters had.
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Are you, hey, you running to Big Red? You can't rege.
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He's a big fella with red hair. That is why
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we call him big Red. Or what about very big
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fat gut? You don't know him when you see him.
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If you met a man with a very big fat.
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Gut, hey, you just don't met very big fat gut.
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Not to be confused with big fag gut or faggut
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or chubb belly or even kind of fab but more.
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Just chubby's side gut.
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I would love it if their nicknames got that specific,
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just that, Hey, have you done run into one eye
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is a bit bigger than the other bald head, flat ass,
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and someone somehow's kind of has like a small arms
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compared to.
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How long his legs are. You can't miss him.
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Just look for the guy that has one eye that
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is a little bit bigger than the other eye. And yeah,
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well you get it, you get it going now good?
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Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I got meeting with
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Rodney Bobby and Ricky Randy, the only two moonshiners here
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country with regular names. Sometime before Henry was born, no
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Legs was once the family's breadwinner. He was an alcoholic
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notics anderson who worked for the local railroad until he
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passed out drunk one night, fell on some train tracks
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and stayed there until the train did done run over
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his legs, and he spent the rest of his days
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being yelled at by Nelly and pushed himself around the
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cabin in a little homemade wooden with a broom handle.
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So you know, I'm sure he was in a really
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good mood, just all the time. Ah, Jimmy crack Carter,
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and I don't care, Jimmy crack card, and now I
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don't care Jimmy crack card and I don't care. Pushed
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my silver around the broomstick on dirt, Kevin floor in
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homemade would and Craig train S mushed up my legs
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while some dude folks my wife on my bed. So
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that's fucking sweet life, my god. According to the most
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comprehensive biography I could find out Henry and what info
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I could scrape together from a few other sources, Old
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Jimmy Crack no legs, lived in constant fear of Viola Nelly,
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who would beat him, and he let her run the house.
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However she saw fits, which was not good for the kids.
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Henry's childhood, if he's to be believed, was straight out
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of a horror movie.
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Henry's birth was.
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Not a welcome one because being pregnant and then having
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a newborn was bad for the prostitution business. Henry claims
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he was pinched and hit when he cried too much
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as as a baby, and rarely held in by his mother.
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In the cabin when he was born into Cavin had nolixsistly,
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no running water, just a woodburning stove. Nelly would cook
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meals for her pimp and sometimes also for her husband,
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and hardly ever for you know. However, many dirty kids
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were scampered about. According to family legend, when Henry was young,
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he got caught trying to steal scraps of warm food
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off of no Leg's plate, and he was beaten and
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then banished to the chicken coop, which became his bedroom,
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and from that point forward he would sleep out with
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the chickens. He was like, it's like he was raised
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more like a dog than a human. And I wouldn't
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even treat a dog like that. My dogs, Penny Pooper
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and Ginger Bell, they think that my bed belongs more
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to them and Lindsay than does to me. They fucking
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grawl me my own bed. Those pampered bitches. They live
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lives that Henry didn't even dream about. And I talk
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about bitches, that mean just Penny and Ginger was not
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all three of the ladies, all right. Henry supposedly not
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on the woodwork of the chicken coop when his teeth
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began to come in. Thought that was an interesting detail,
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not even a dog's chew tooy to work with. He
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apparently ate a fair share of lead munch of lead
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paint the chicken coop, uh, and that may have helped
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contribute to a low iq'd be tested later in life
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and have a IQ round seventy five, he inhaled toxins
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from the chicken shit, such as cadmium. Studies have shown
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that odorous compounds from poultry shit definitely induced DNA damage.
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No studies have been conducted regarding whether or not being
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forced to live in.
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A chicken coop a good few, because.
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You know, that's obviously fucking horrible to do to somebody,
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and so why would that ever happen?
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Why would the study even be done about that?
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By the time little Henry began to attend school in
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nineteen forty one, when he was five, he smelled so
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bad from living in a chicken coop that he was
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seated by an open window. I'm sure he wasn't ruthlessly
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teased at you know, or ruthlessly teased by the other
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kids at all, you know, the children of townfolk who
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called their his father no lakes. When the school got
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ahold of Viola and demanded she you know NeSSI, her name,
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sorry's back and forth at the time violin NeSSI, and demanded.
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She cleaned her child for school.
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According to Henry, years later, she stripped him naked, drug
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him to a pond on their property. Violently washed him down,
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held him under water, you know he thought he would drown,
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and then also molested him. And then she told him quote,
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they watched him to be a pretty smell of little girl, and.
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Then that's what we'll give them. Mm hmm.
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That's a quote I pulled from a from the book
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I found that had the most comprehensive looking to Henry's
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child that I could find. And I bet she did
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talk like that. Oh wow, I can only I can
521
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only imagine what kind of sexy talk she used for
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her clients. You didn't want your picker, suctor, What if
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you don't come in.
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The next two miss, I'm gonna punch you in your
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dirt button.
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Accurting to legend, Nelly put young Henry in a floral
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dress that belonged to one of his oldest sisters, and
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then she paraded him through town, bellowing to whoever wanted
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to listen. Look how beautiful my daughter is. I thought
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I had a son, but I guess that I was wrong.
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Nellie marched him all the way through the school gates
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and into the schoolhouse before stomping off back into the
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woods where she lived like a fucking troll and Henry
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had to sit in the dress throughout the whole school day,
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and then he ran home sobbing all the way, all
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because he hated it, and because he hated it so much,
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Nelly began to punish Henry this way all the time.
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According to Henry, she loved to emmaculate or emasculate the
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men who weren't her clients. I'm guessing she hated what
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she felt she had to do to make money and
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took it out on old no Legs and the other
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males in the cabin. Also, according to Henry, Nelly liked
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to have no Legs in the room when she had
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clients over and make him watch, oh fun.
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Oh Timmy kretcard. Now I don't care tim creit card.
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And I don't care Timmy creck card, And I don't
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care that my wife will take away my broomstick and
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beat me in my home if you don't sit on
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the dirt floor and watch her get fuck bother dudes.
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Fun.
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And then to punish Henry, she'd make him wear a
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dress and sit down to his next to his maybe
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dad and make him watch as well. If all of
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this is true, Henry is sleeping in a chicken coop,
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never eating a hot home cooked meal, being sat by
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the window at school because he smells like chicken shit,
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where he is undoubtedly being bullied horrifically.
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He was also a tiny kid, which would make sense,
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you know, when you're.
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Malnourished and he's being forced to wear dress and he's
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being forced to sit next to dad and watch random
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creepy dudes fuck his mom.
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And she hates his guts.
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So his introduction to the world seems to have been
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a little bit less than ideal, even more fun. By
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his own account, Henry had zero friends. He said, even
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his siblings steered clear of him because he was Mama's
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least favorite and if they were nice to him, she
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made life worse for them as well. And then he
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met and fell in love with a local mule, and
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not a drug mule, like a mule mule.
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A donkey was his first friend.
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Could this story get more cartoonishly backwoods than sad? At
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some point during his first few years of school, the
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only thing I Hadry look forward to this is soeverydic
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of his laugh, because it's so fucking ridiculous. He would
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look forward to seeing a neighbor's old mule that lived
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on a friend of his dad's property between his cabin
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and the school. He stopped a pet and feed it
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each day, and it grew to recognize him and would
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look forward his visits.
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And he loved this mule, and this mule seemed to
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love him.
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And one day, because he no longer had any use
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for the mule, the mule's owner gave it to Hi Henry,
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and he walked it back to his cabin, you know,
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one day after school. And when he made it home
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with the mule, Mama Lucas not happy, according to Henry.
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When when Nellie saw how much this mule meant to
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her son, she went inside, grabbed a shotgun, came back out,
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walked up to the mule, shot it in the fucking
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face as it stood next to young Henry. She killed
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the poor creature immediately, also drenched her son in his
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best friend's blood. And that's when Henry knew he would
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growup to accomplish great things. Can you right then and
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there he'd be either a doctor, or a college professor
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or a lawyer. He'd becoming such a great start in life.
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How could he not go on to accomplish? Are they
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no that's when Henry was beaten unconscious. Henry said that
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after killing his mule, his mama backhanded him hard across
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the face.
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And yelled, what do you have to do? And go?
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Done that?
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For now?
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I got to go and pay someone to haul a
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useless carcass away.
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You worth a.
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Stupid little rat shit. Then she slapped him again, hard
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enough to drop him to his knees. Then she proceeded
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to kick and hit him with closed fist until he
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was unconscious. For the next several years, Henry or Nellie
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would beat the living shit out of heading on a
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regular basis, even beating him for leaving her room when
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she was fucking client in front of her son. And
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then in nineteen forty five, when Henry was nine, Mama
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Lucas nearly beat him to death. Viola aka Nessy aka
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00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.680
Satan's sidekick put Henry to work one day and a
618
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fence run the property, And by fence, I mean scraps
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of old, half rotten wood clumsily tied together with barbed wire.
620
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I climbed over or through countless fences like this when
621
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:30.680
I was a kid growing up in real, Idaho, playing
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out the mountains. They're all over way out in the woods.
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Just put up quickly, long time, you know, just to
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keep cattle and sheep, whatever livestock creature you want from
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wandering into or out of your property. You know, put
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00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:43.440
up to keep sweet lovable mules from wandering up to
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your home and talking to your son.
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Animals. You then, of course have to blast in the.
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Faith with a shotgun, cause your kids should have never
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loved the mule enough to want to bring home in
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the first place.
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You get it.
633
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So Nelly is having her son working on the fence
634
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instead of going to school. That's another fun part of
635
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that gets it makes some skip school for this. She's
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00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.519
fucking other guys in her marital bed as a perennial
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00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.119
contender for Mother of the Year does And when she
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calls him into the house to do some work for
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he doesn't hear her.
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So she calls again. Still nothing. Now she's pissed.
641
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She has a John halfway undressed wanting to get some
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of that sweet mama lucas lovin. And now littl Henry
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is fucking with business, so she have no legs go
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find it.
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But you know he's not able to off road it too.
646
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Well, he's not able to broomstick push his little homemade
647
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wooden wagon out into the woods very far as you
648
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might expect. So she goes a looking herself, and she
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grabs a two by four piece of lumber along the
650
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way to smack him for not running what she called
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because you know what nine year old is going to
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pay attention to you if you only beat him with
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your fists and kick him, you know. Nellie finds Henry,
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takes a baseball swing at his head, cracks him right
655
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in the back of the head with that two by four,
656
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knocks him out cold.
657
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And she's lucky, that's all. She's lucky didn't kill him.
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He very nearly died, because you know, he was an
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extremely annoying and weak little child who just couldn't walk
660
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off a home run swing to the back of the
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dome fence post. After teaching Henry a good lesson, how
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dared he physically not hear his mother yell for him
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to stop doing one chore and run in and do
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another chore for her while she makes some prostitution money.
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Nelly goes back to.
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Her john and then she doesn't notice that Henry doesn't
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come inside that night. As she gets more clients gets drunk.
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No one else notices the little Henry doesn't show up
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at the home for the rest of the night. I
670
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:23.119
guess they forgot to do their nightly chicken coop check
671
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:25.920
make sure he's okay. It's almost like no one cared
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00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:28.759
about him. The next morning, Nelly walks back to where
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she had knocked Henry unconscious, finds him still laying exactly
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in the position in place where she had left him.
675
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Over twelve hours it passed. He's still out cold.
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When yelling and kicking him didn't wake him up, she
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had two of his older brothers drag him inside the cabin,
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and then they just laid him in a corner, where
679
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he stayed for two more full days before Nelly's pimp,
680
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a man who went by the name of Uncle Bernie.
681
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My god, this family is so fucking ridiculous. Uncle Bernie
682
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takes Henry.
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To the hospital. Accounts of Henry's back with.
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Childhood they feel like punchlines from a very dark version
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00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.880
of like Jeff Foxworthy's You Might Be a Redneck jokes,
686
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:07.759
like as if all of this is taking place in
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some bizarro, evil parallel universe, some kind of stranger things
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00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.920
upside down version of reality where a dark comic named
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00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.640
like Steph Cox Scurvy instead of Jeff fox Worth. He
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00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.240
tells you might be a killer jokes instead of you
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00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.559
might be a redneck jokes. If the best parental figure
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00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:31.279
you had growing up was your mama's pimp and you
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00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:36.400
called him Uncle Bernie, you might be a killer. If
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people called your dad and no legs, and your bedroom
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was the chicken coop and your mama made you wear
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00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:47.720
a dress to school, you might be a killer. If
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00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:53.000
your best friend growing up was a neighbor's mule, and
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00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.279
when you brought that mule home, your mama shot him
699
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.079
in the face and then literally beat you unconscious, you
700
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.839
might be a killer. Uncle Bernie laid the knocked out,
701
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.839
almost dead little Henry in the back of his pickup
702
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.000
truck because you know why, risk kim bleeding on the seat,
703
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.559
and drove him into town, where the doctor couldn't believe
704
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.079
he was still alive. He hadn't just been unconscious. He'd
705
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been in a full on fucking coma for three days.
706
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Four days later he came out of that coma. Doctors
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00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.200
had all kinds of questions. When had he'd been exposed
708
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.039
to lead when had he been exposed to cadmium?
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00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.559
Did he live in an unsupervised chicken coop?
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00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.079
Henry, still greatly shook up by the head injury, was
711
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:33.880
two days to even attempt to answer the questions. And
712
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:35.559
now he was able to play dumb enough to convince
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them that, you know, sometimes accidents just happened, and he
714
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.519
was released back home. I'm guessing those Blacksburg's doctors weren't
715
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among the nation's finest. Shortly after coming back to the coop,
716
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Henry began to suffer occasional seizures. Every muscle in his
717
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.839
body would contract, shaking and straining against every other one.
718
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His eyes would roll up into his head. He would
719
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:55.519
froth at the mouth, let out little yips or screams.
720
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His body would twist and contort. His violent convulsions racked
721
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.519
his small frame and left him aching for days in
722
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.599
their aftermath. One moment to be fine, the next he
723
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.640
would be flopping around the ground, helpless and lost in
724
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.440
the black static of his own brain. The only good
725
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:10.240
thing that came out of this beating was that, you know,
726
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.640
Nelly was now afraid to beating that heart again. Uncle
727
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Bernie convinced her she'd kill him if she did that,
728
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.119
and then she'd go to jail. Also, now that Nelly
729
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.319
was leaving Henry someone alone, the other kids felt a
730
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.559
little more comfortable not incurring her wrass if they've played
731
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.759
with him, and he became, you know, a little more
732
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of a normal part of the family. The next year,
733
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in nineteen forty six, when Henry was ten, he suffered
734
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.319
another horrific accident at home, a terrible knife accident. Fucking
735
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.519
around with hunting knives was apparently just a daily part
736
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.880
of Lucas Cabin family life. Lucas kids would use them
737
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.599
to whittle crude toys for themselves out in the woods.
738
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.799
If the best toy you ever got growing up was
739
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.440
one that you whittled for yourself out in the woods,
740
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.880
you might be a killer. Lucas kids also used knives
741
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.960
to play fun games like, you know, see how fasting
742
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.440
saba knife in between your fingers game, and you know,
743
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.359
throwing in between each other's legs game. And they'd use
744
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.319
knives to skin the squirrels and rabbits they caught. Most importantly,
745
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.320
they use knives to settle minor disputes and have semi
746
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:11.280
playfuled fights. It was a fucking ridiculous shit show in
747
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.519
this cabin. All of the Lucas kids would end up
748
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.440
with Knie scars, but none would end up with more
749
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.519
than Henry, and he'd received the worst knife wound of all.
750
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.239
In nineteen forty five, he lunged ahead at one of
751
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.800
his brothers during some kind of play fight, or maybe
752
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:24.880
it was a little bit less playful, just as this
753
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.440
brother stabbed out with a pocket knife, and the blade
754
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:32.000
caught him directly in his left eye, and according to Henry,
755
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.239
his eyeball popped and his eye goo ran down his cheek.
756
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.760
He fell to the floor and had a seizure. And
757
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.679
then Nelly allegedly took one look at her son with
758
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.320
blood and leaves kate to his face and said, quote
759
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.039
ain't nothing to be done about it now, just don't
760
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.840
be stupid again, and then took a sip of whiskey
761
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.760
out of an old soup can. Uncle Bernie had carved
762
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.960
the words world's Best Mama into somehow, despite taking a
763
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.039
dirty knife to the fucking eyeball and then soil and
764
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.559
decomposing leaves it rubbed into the socket, water from a
765
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.719
stream being used to wash it out, no hygiene being
766
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:09.079
practiced by anyone involved the injury did not become infected.
767
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:10.199
I don't know.
768
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.039
Maybe he had a stronger immune system from living in
769
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.119
fucking chicken shit dirt his whole life.
770
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:15.599
And all this is true.
771
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.920
It's amazing that this dude made it to adulthood. I mean,
772
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.000
he did for sure lose his left eye as a child.
773
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.960
There are school pictures of him and all of a sudden,
774
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.400
you know, he doesn't have a right eye when he's
775
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:26.960
round ten. Then also in nineteen forty six, he gets
776
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.599
hurt again. Oh my gosh, this this one is hard
777
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.840
to believe, but here's the story. Apparently Henry was sitting
778
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:35.559
in class one day when his teacher threw a ruler
779
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.320
across the room and a boy sitting behind him who's
780
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:38.599
cracking jokes and disrupting class.
781
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:39.639
And according to one of.
782
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:41.760
The sources, I found the teacher missed badly and the
783
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:45.440
pencil or the ruler, excuse me, struck Henry struck him
784
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.239
right in his fucking eye socket and literally stuck there
785
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:51.519
like some shit out of a B horror movie. And
786
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.360
the teachers pulled it back out some kind of weird
787
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.199
tales from the crypt scene. Then Henry's eye socket got infected,
788
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.000
and his eye socket would weep milky tears off and
789
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.920
on for the rest of his life. Nineteen forty nine,
790
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.880
Henry turned thirteen and puberty struck, and that was really
791
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.360
bad news for every small creature in his immediate vicinity.
792
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.239
We're gonna get even more backwoods. No mammal would be
793
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.599
safe from his relentless sexual attacks.
794
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:15.239
Not kidding.
795
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.719
Years later, Lucas would confess that his first sexual experience
796
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.920
with another living thing was not with the human being,
797
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:22.920
but with a squirrel.
798
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:25.519
Can it be more? He'llbilly.
799
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.559
And if you're thinking how does one even set about
800
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:32.239
fucking a squirrel, you're not alone. When I first read this,
801
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.840
I had no idea. I mean, they're so small, right,
802
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.679
they gotta have tiny little butts. You have teeny tiny
803
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.599
little vaginas well. Thanks to the power of Google, I
804
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.440
have an answer, and it is beyond disgusting.
805
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.199
Buckle up, meat, sacks.
806
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.400
This is terrible, but let's not be afraid to put
807
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.960
on a grown up pants and learn something we never
808
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.880
needed to know. Here is what an anonymous person posted
809
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.039
on a Reddit thread that I found when I googled
810
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.760
how do you fuck a squirrel? Skip ahead exactly one
811
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:00.559
minute right now. If you don't want to hear this,
812
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.519
I timed out in advance so you could tap out
813
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.159
because you won't be able.
814
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.480
To unhear this. Here we go, they wrote.
815
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:10.840
This is something that caused my parents to put me
816
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:12.639
through almost two and a half years of therapy. But
817
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.159
when I was twelve, my cousin, who was sixteen, brought
818
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.199
a BB gun to my house to shoot into the woods.
819
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.519
When the gun ran out of bullets, he tossed the
820
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:21.119
gun down and said it was my turn if I
821
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.639
could find the bullets. BB's are impossible to find in
822
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:25.320
the woods, by the way, but while searching next to
823
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.960
my shed, I found a dead squirrel. I'm not sure
824
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.119
if the squirrel died from the BB or natural causes,
825
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.440
but I decided to pick it up anyways, I guess
826
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.000
as a therapist said, I should have felt sad or scared,
827
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.400
but instead I widened the anus of the squirrel using
828
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.960
a twig and my finger to the point of mutilation.
829
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.039
By the time I was done, the squirrel didn't have
830
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.599
an anus, but rather a large, gaping, very bloody hole
831
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.320
in his backside. I don't remember if I was horny
832
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.599
or not, as I had random erections at that age
833
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:56.360
quite often, but I proceeded to insert my erect penis
834
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.599
into the mutilated rear cavity of the dead squirrel. It
835
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.960
was during the summer, so the dead squirrel had been
836
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.840
baking in the sun, and I remember the hot entrails
837
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.039
feeling amazing on my penis.
838
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.679
Okay, so there you go. I guess that's how you
839
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:12.000
do it.
840
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.119
You don't use an existing hole because they are too
841
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.320
tiny you, so you make a new one. And that's
842
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.360
what Henry did, and that's what he did to other
843
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small creatures.
844
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:20.679
He was able to hunt like rabbits.
845
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.639
My god, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the chuckle slut stage.
846
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:26.760
Steph Cockscurvey.
847
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.880
At the first mammal you made love to was not
848
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.599
a human being or alive, and you had to make
849
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:37.880
your own hole.
850
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:39.840
He might be a killer.
851
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.159
Nineteen fifty one, two good things happened to now fourteen
852
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.039
year old cycle path Henry Lee Lucas. He got a
853
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.960
car and no legs froze to death. Henry had no
854
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:51.599
love for his father, the man who never did anything
855
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.159
to spare him from a moment of abuse from his
856
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:55.920
horrific mother, and in late nineteen fifty, Anderson No Legs
857
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.400
Lucas dragged himself out into the snow late one night
858
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.440
in what seems to be a crude suicide of attempt,
859
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.559
and it worked. By the time anyone came looking for him,
860
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:05.519
he got in such bad hypothermia from laying out in
861
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.320
the snow that he died in the hospital days later.
862
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.599
This starts a new year, and a few months later,
863
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:11.639
after getting the money to pay for it by burglarizing
864
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.639
local homes with some cousins, Henry bought a car, and
865
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.880
by this time his hygiene had improved. He was no
866
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.760
longer sleeping in the coupe say he got into the
867
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.639
house somehow. Despite missing his eye. He was handsome enough
868
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.199
in his own way to convince the local girls to
869
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.280
go on some dates with him, but he wasn't able
870
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.199
to convince any of them to sleep with him, and
871
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:30.960
in his later years he claimed that this is what
872
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.119
drove him to commit his first murder. Supposedly, he took
873
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.199
a young girl who he never named, out to a
874
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.599
known makeout spot just outside of Blacksburg, and when she
875
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.840
wouldn't let him have sex with her, he snapped and
876
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.159
started choking her and He kept choking her until she
877
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.039
was dead, and then he took off her clothes and
878
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.599
had sex with her still warm corpse. And then he
879
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.480
drove her body into a remote part of the woods,
880
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.920
dug a shallow grave through her remains inside, covered it
881
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.679
up with dirt, and went about his life.
882
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.679
Now, wasn't there an investigation?
883
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:58.320
Wouldn't he be the prime suspect in the disappearance of
884
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.920
a girl he had just taken out to a makeout spot,
885
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:03.599
you would think, so, maybe he made this story up.
886
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.400
Maybe no one knew they were dating. Maybe they weren't dating,
887
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.280
and he just kidnapped, killed, and raped some stranger.
888
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:09.719
All we have for this.
889
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.280
Story is what he said about it to go on,
890
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:12.800
and he didn't say much more than what I just
891
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.679
told you. A name, Laura Burnley did end up getting
892
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.719
tossed out as the possible name of this victim years later.
893
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.039
Laura is only named on true crime sites I found
894
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:23.679
to be accurate some of the time, but not all
895
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.320
the time, like murderpedia dot com, just criminals dot info.
896
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.480
So who knows finding grave dot com did a list
897
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.119
or does list a seventeen year old Laura Burnley as
898
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.920
dying in March of nineteen fifty one, but it doesn't
899
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:36.880
show a tombstone or say where she died, and I
900
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.679
feel like it may be referencing those sites I just mentioned,
901
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:40.400
like murder Pedia.
902
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.440
So who knows.
903
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.559
Early nineteen fifty four, seventeen year old Henry gets arrested
904
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:46.719
for over a dozen local burglaries, and on June tenth,
905
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:50.239
he's sentenced to four years in prison. He's initially incarcerated
906
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.280
because of his age at the Beaumont Training School for Boys,
907
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.400
a juvenile correction center that changed names frequently over the years.
908
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.320
First opening as the Virginia Industrial School for Boys in
909
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:03.400
Beaumont Learning Center in eighteen ninety, it was located almost
910
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:05.719
two undred miles from Blacksburg, just outside of Richmond, Virginia.
911
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.239
The center closed his doors for good just recently in
912
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.239
twenty seventeen, and Henry stayed there was short lived.
913
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:13.400
He was intensely disruptive and rebellious.
914
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.639
He seemed entirely incapable of absorbing any of the lessons
915
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.000
that the school tried to instill in him. One of
916
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.280
the staff members would later describe him as a boy
917
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.119
gone feral. He escaped about a month and two A
918
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.480
sentence made it all the way back home to Blacksburg.
919
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.639
When he arrived, he met one of his nieces, the
920
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.800
daughter of an older half sister who had been left
921
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.119
in Nelly's care. She was twelve years old, and the
922
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.039
day he met her, Henry raped her out behind the
923
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.519
chicken coop and then threatened to slit her throat if
924
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.320
she told anyone. Not yet eighteen, and this dude was
925
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.039
already completely fucked. Anyone with half a brain could have
926
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.760
already told you upon meeting him that no good would
927
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.599
ever come from Henry Lee Lucas. After being victimized, he
928
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:51.559
clearly didn't think, I sure don't want to inflict this
929
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:52.440
pain on anyone else.
930
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:53.679
He probably didn't think anything.
931
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.239
He just saw the world as a place where you
932
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.400
violently took whatever you wanted. And of course I'm speculating here,
933
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.440
but I believe this. While his niece didn't tell anyone,
934
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.199
the very next day, the sheriff did pull up to
935
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.360
the Lucas cabin, figuring that's where Henry would return when
936
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.320
he escaped. No more Boys' school this time, Lucas was
937
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.079
now sent to the Virginia State Penitentiary in Richmond, a
938
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:15.159
center that also closed in nineteen ninety one, and Henry
939
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.920
loved his stay here. No one was making him go
940
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.159
to school, no one was trying to reform him. He
941
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:22.400
had a bed that didn't smell like chicken shit. He
942
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.880
was fed hot meals every day. A prison doctor even
943
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.199
had him fitted for a glass eye, one he would
944
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:28.840
wear for the rest of his life. So he looked
945
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.280
a little better. Put on some weight, and in a
946
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.400
way he started to look ruggedly handsome. Also started to
947
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:35.760
have sex on a regular basis.
948
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:36.239
Well.
949
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.280
Henry would always prefer to have sex with women when
950
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.000
that was an option. His true sexual preference seemed to
951
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.159
be just whatever was warm and close by. If something
952
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.840
or someone was alive or hadn't been dead for too long,
953
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.320
Henry le Lucas would fuck, hit him or her. Henry
954
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.880
became somewhat popular in prison. Compared to growing up on
955
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.920
you know, Mama Lucas's cabin a horrors. Back in Blacksburg
956
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.679
prison was heaven. The other inmates taught him how to
957
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.920
commit a crimes, kind of up his criminal game for
958
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:03.320
when he got back out, how to fight, had a
959
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.239
con and to talk to women. He even began to
960
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.320
write to women through a prison pen pal service. In
961
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.239
late nineteen fifty nine DA, aged twenty three, Henry was
962
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.400
released and instead of heading back to Blacksburg, he decided
963
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.519
to put some distance, put some miles between himself and
964
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.719
Mama Lucas, and he went to stay with a half
965
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:21.360
sister named Opal and to comes to Michigan in our
966
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.320
southeast to Detroit. Ople happened to live near a young
967
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:26.760
woman named Stella who Henry had been writing letters to
968
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.599
from prison. Stella was a hard drinker and not much
969
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.280
of a looker, according to one source, but she wasn't
970
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.920
abusive and she would have sex with him, and he
971
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:36.280
didn't even have to carve out a new hole to
972
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.079
make that happen. So you know, Shardie had a couple.
973
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.320
So Henry was in love. He had a job at
974
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.079
a warehouse, and the two made plans to get married.
975
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:44.920
And that winter he got down one knee in the
976
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.159
Michigan snow and proposed to sella after he picked her
977
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:49.320
up for the regular date, and she said yes, and
978
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.800
he was the happiest he had ever been in his
979
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.639
whole life, and they headed out to get thoroughly drunk
980
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.480
to celebrate, and of course they would not live happily
981
00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:58.039
ever after.
982
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.039
Later that night, Henry shared all these good news you know,
983
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:01.920
with Opel.
984
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.360
It's half situa while he still living with her, and
985
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:06.320
she was delighted to hear that her little brother finally
986
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.559
seemed to be getting his life on track. The very
987
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.800
next morning, Opel started calling other members of the Lucas
988
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.199
family to spread the joy. Word got back to Mama Nellie,
989
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.920
not pleased. She didn't even know that Henry had been released.
990
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:18.639
Didn't even know he had got out of prison. Life
991
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:21.000
had been hard on Nelly since Lucas had gone to prison.
992
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:22.920
She'd shot a client in the lake with the same
993
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.320
shotgun she'd used to kill that mule. And while she
994
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.039
didn't get in any legal trouble for that, word got
995
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.559
around and it was bad for her prostitution business, a
996
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.840
business that had almost completely dried up. Anyway, pun not intended,
997
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:35.400
but I like it. She was in her sixties by
998
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.360
this point. She was not a beautiful woman to begin with.
999
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.000
Her pimp uncle Bernie, had moved on, her husband, as
1000
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:41.960
we learned, had died, the rest of her children had
1001
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.480
either grown up, left the home, or run away, never
1002
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:44.960
to come back.
1003
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.159
She was broke alone, utterly miserable.
1004
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:49.159
She needed someone to take care of her, and she
1005
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:51.960
decided that's someone needed to be Henry, so she bought
1006
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.880
herself a bus ticket and headed to Michigan. On the
1007
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.760
evening of January twelfth, nineteen sixty, Nellie arrived at Opel's
1008
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.159
apartment into Kumsa. Opel told her mother that hen he
1009
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.239
was out at the bar with Stella, and Nelly went
1010
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.599
out to find him. Nelly walked in wasted no time
1011
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.360
finding Henry, telling him that no woman was ever gonna
1012
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.639
marry him, not after what he'd done to those rabbits
1013
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:11.559
and those squirrels, not after he had.
1014
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:12.679
Raped his own niece.
1015
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.639
Yep, she knew about all that held on to it
1016
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.679
like some kind of fucked up blackmail ace in the hole,
1017
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.199
and she started hitting Henry with a closed fist in
1018
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:21.840
front of everyone, told him that he needed to come
1019
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.920
home like he was supposed to have done when he
1020
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:27.239
first left prison, like he had promised. Stella tried to
1021
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.119
defend Henry, and Nelly cursed her out and then hit
1022
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.599
her too. Nelly was up in years but tough as
1023
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.199
mean as ever, and she threw Stella down, started hitting
1024
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.360
and kicking her. The bouncer had to pull her off
1025
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.159
Henry went to console Stella. She scurried away from him,
1026
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:40.639
told him to get away from her, said she could
1027
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.360
not be with someone whose mother was a fucking monster.
1028
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.159
And just like that, Henry's engagement was over. His mother
1029
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:49.360
had ruined his past and now she had destroyed his
1030
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:50.800
chance at a decent future.
1031
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.679
Please welcome back to the stage, Steph Koch Scurvy.
1032
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.239
If your engagement gets called off because you're ill, early
1033
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.840
mama beats both your ass and hers in a dive
1034
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:09.239
bar after telling everyone that you raped your own knees
1035
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.280
and had sex with rabbits and squirrels. He might be
1036
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.400
a killer. The bouncer threw Nelly out of the bar.
1037
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.639
She went back to Opel's apartment. Henry stayed until closing time,
1038
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.599
trying to drink the night away. When he returned to
1039
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.880
Ople's apartment late that night, he went straight to bed.
1040
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.440
Then about a half hour later, he claimed that Nelly
1041
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:27.360
attacked him, and.
1042
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:28.199
I don't doubt this claim.
1043
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:30.000
He said that he woke to Nelly beating him in
1044
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:31.920
the head with a broom handle, got out of bed
1045
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.039
a lot of broom handles, and so he got out
1046
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:35.639
of a bed as fast as his drunken stupor a
1047
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.079
loud and she continued to beat him with that broom
1048
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.599
handle until it snapped, and started beating with her fists,
1049
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:40.639
spit at him.
1050
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:41.280
Cursed him.
1051
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.719
Then Henry snapped right, grabbed the pocket knife he'd always
1052
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.039
kept on or near him, and swung it at his
1053
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:50.400
mama's head, jammed it right into her neck, and then
1054
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.840
Henry left. You know, she started to bleed out on
1055
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.840
the floor, she fell down. He he flees, drives his
1056
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.800
car all the way back to Blacksburg, Virginia. His sister
1057
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.559
Opal doesn't check things out until the following I guess
1058
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:02.320
he probably knew his best to stay away from Mama
1059
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:03.320
when she was all worked up.
1060
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.960
She finds Nelly laying in a pool of her own
1061
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:06.719
blood on the floor.
1062
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.639
The knife had just barely nicked and artery was still
1063
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:10.480
sticking in her neck.
1064
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.559
She was still alive. Tough focks these lucases.
1065
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.039
An ambulance would take her to the hospital, where she
1066
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:17.760
quickly died of a heart attack related to the blood
1067
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.360
lost in the attack. A warrant is issued for Henry's arrest.
1068
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.639
He's captured almost immediately, and just like that, less than
1069
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.440
a year after geting out of prison. He's backing on
1070
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.400
his way into prison with an even longer sentence. At
1071
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:29.840
least this time he wouldn't have to worry about what
1072
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:31.760
Mama would do if you got out again.
1073
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:33.840
Henry was tried for the second.
1074
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.239
Degree murder of his mother in March nineteen sixty sends
1075
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.679
twenty to forty years in the State Prison of Southern
1076
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.920
Michigan at Jackson. He did not initially enjoy his second
1077
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:43.719
church of prison as much as the first. He really
1078
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:45.880
thought he had a chance at a normal life Stella,
1079
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.039
and then Mama ruined that, And then Mama got him
1080
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.199
sent back to prison where she was still torturing him.
1081
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.519
He felt haunted by Nelly.
1082
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.880
He started hearing her voice in his head, asking him
1083
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.480
what kind of boy kills her own mother. Pretty soon
1084
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.320
his mama's voice was telling him to kill himself, and
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he tried to do us that. His first suicide attempt
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was almost a success. He fashioned a news for himself
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out of his bedclothes, hung himself in his cell for
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almost twenty minutes before patrolling guard noticed the makeshift rope
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he'd used just hadn't been tight enough to properly cut
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off the blood supply. To his brain, just interrupted it
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badly enough to render him unconscious, possibly at a little
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to the brain damage he'd undoubtedly already suffered when Nelly
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had hit him with that two by four when he
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was a kid. The injuries from his first attempt for
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minor now to the doctor didn't even report it. Too
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much paperwork, too much effort, you know, to set up
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a watch for somebody. And then two months later, though
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he tries again, Henry got the rope right the second
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time around. The sheet twisted tight enough to bite right
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into his neck and knock him out instantly, but a
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guard found him after dangling for about two minutes. This
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time his suicide was reported. Henry was transferred out of
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the prison and over to the Ionia State Mental Hospital
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in Ionia, Michigan, located about a half hour's drive east
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to Grand Rapids, an institution that's been closed since nineteen
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seventy seven. At this mental hospital, Henry received therapy. He
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was administered intensive regiment of sedatives to help keep him
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calm and compliant. He also received weekly electro convulsive therapy
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for what his doctors called schizoid delusions. Man was still
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talking to him inside his head.
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I bet he was.
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How could that evil meatsack not haunt you? Henry was
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also given a job he loved, working in the filing room,
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organizing the files of other patients. Privacy laws were a
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little more relaxed back then. The State hospital in Ionia
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was home to some of the worst criminals, not just
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to Michigan, but also from the surrounding states, Those who
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had committed crimes so horrific they were considered to be
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beyond the actions of anyone saying. A full account of
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every one of their crimes was contained within the files
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they were handed over Henry, along with the full explanation
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of all the holes in the criminal justicism that these
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criminals have been able to slip through, ensuring that their
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crimes freeze could continue long beyond the point that logic
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would suggest they could be stopped. So, sitting alone in
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the stuff he filed room day after day, Henry really
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studied for the first time in his life, and he
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got an education and how to avoid detection and how
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to avoid being captured. He figured out that moving from
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one state to another could completely throw off an investigation
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because different departments didn't communicate effectively with one another.
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If they talked even at all.
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He discovered that you know the various means of countering
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forensic investigation, destroying the body of a murder victim, moving
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them around to rob the police of corroborating evidence. He
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also learned that patterns were the enemy of every mass murder.
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Don't use the same methods to hunt and kill victims,
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don't dispose of them in the same way. That's how
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killers get caught. He learned that by moving around, by
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destroying evidence, by switching the mode of murder, he could
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keep the police from drawing any connection between his crimes.
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And he studied these files for almost a decade, and
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then on August twenty second, nineteen seventy, after only serving
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ten years of a twenty to forty year cents, Henry.
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Le Lucas was released early to overcrowding.
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He'd later claimed that the night he was released, within
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sight of the mental hospital in Ionia, he stole a car,
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met two teenage girls, who he learned into the car
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by promising them some alcohol. Said he got him drunk, strangled,
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and killed both of them before raping their corpses and
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dumping their bodies in the woods.
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Then he set out on a fucked up cross.
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Country Lucas family reunion bouncer from state to state, crashing
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with brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts, bouncing on to the
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next family member's home and he either just overstayed his
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welcome or re suspected molesting one of their kids, because
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he probably was molesting one of their kids. Very thankful
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for my family right now. Do I have relatives I
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find extremely annoying? Yeah, you bet do. I have some assholes,
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not not many, but yeah I do. But no molestee
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creeps that I know of.
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Anyway.
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I got a second cousin. He used to hug all
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the girls in the family. Little too hard, little too long,
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lit't too often.
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But that's it.
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No one Henry Lucas is that I'd be forced to say,
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stay the fuck away from my family if you don't
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want me to kill you two. Nineteen seventy one, Henry
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trying to kidnap a fifteen year old girl back in Michigan,
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telling her that her boyfriend had sent him to pick
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her up. She fled and reported him, and when the
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police found him, they found a handgun in his car,
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which violated his parole. This violation earned Henry a fresh
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four year stint in a Michigan prison, where he took
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advantage of the prison pen pal system again started corresponding
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with a woman named Betty Crawford who lived in Port Deposit, Maryland.
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When Henry finished his since in nineteen seventy five, he
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was on a bus to Maryland within a few hours
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of his release, headed towards a waiting sofa of his
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cousin Wade, who lived conveniently just a short drive from
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Port Deposit. He was excited to meet Betty, very excited
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because she had three daughters. Luke's got a straight job
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as an auto mechanic in Port Deposit, also got quickly
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engaged to Betty. On December fifth, nineteen seventy five, Henry
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and Betty get married. The happy couple in Henry's new
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or three newly acquired stepdaughters, moved into a reclaimed mobile
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home in Lot SI three of Benjamin's trailer park in
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Port Deposit, and for a while things seemed to be
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going good.
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They weren't. They were not.
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Well to Betty, they seemed okay. Henry wasn't a perfect husband.
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She knew that, you know, but he didn't drink too
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much didn't filander about too much, had a steady job,
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never beat her, and he was fairly charming, so her
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standard super high. The only thing that started to bother
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Betty was the way that the girls, you know, her
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girls had started to avoid him. At first, they loved
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the attention doled out upon them by their new stepdad.
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He bought them toys and spoiled them. They welcomed the attention,
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but then something changed. And then Betty found spots of
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blood and other stains on one of her daughter's sheets.
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So no bueno, no bueno in absoluteo.
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And in nineteen seventy seven, when Betty asked her daughters
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what was going on between them and Henry, they told
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her they'd been that he'd been raping them. Betty told
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Lucas when he came home that night, that he could
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leave right then and there and never ever come back,
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or she could call the police right now. And two
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years after getting married in late nineteen seventy seven, forty
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one year old Henry leaves, and who the fuck knows
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where he went. Some stories have him traveling with relatives
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back to Blacksburg. Others have him stealing the car and
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making all the way to California. Others have him skipping
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on over to Shreveport, Louisiana. Hospital records show that he
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did stay in the small fifteen thousand person town of Beckley,
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West Virginia, at the beginning of nineteen seventy eight for
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at least a few months. He met another single mother
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woman named Ronda Knuckles, who would go on to write
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a book about her time spent with Henry Lee Lucas,
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a book called How I Survived Henry Lucas Living with
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a Serial Killer published in two thousand and four. Henry
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got a job in a carpet warehouse lived with Rond
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until child molestation allegations began to surface by members of
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the Knuckles family and other locals. When Henry heard that
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a lynch party was forming, he stole the truck, and
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by the spring of nineteen seventy eight he made it
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back to or made it over to Florida.
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Excuse me, flat broke.
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With no leads for work, he found himself standing in
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a Jacksonville, Florida, soup kitchen, where he met the man
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who would help him kill god knows how many people
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or maybe none, but maybe quite a bit. Over the
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next six years, thirty one year old Otis Tool. Okay,
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so now we're going to push pause and Henry Lee
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Lucas's story go back in time to look at the
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early years of Otis Tool. And before we do that,
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can we talk for a moment about how sad and
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horrible Henry Lee Lucas's life was.
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Now, let's recap the life so far of someone who
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never slept on a nice mattress today in his life,
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Henry Lee Lucas, prison, poverty, and crime. Each phase of
1276
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Henry's life fell under one of those descriptions, if not
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under two. He was raised in extreme poverty by an
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extremely fucked up family like cartoonishly dysfunctional. His dad passed
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out drunk and some train tracks lost his legs went
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by the nickname of no Legs for the rest of
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his life. His mom was an abusive prostitute. He made
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him sleep in a chicken coop, left him laying in
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the dirt when she knocked him out with the two
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four for not hearing her call him. He was forced
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to wear a dress to school, he had to sit
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next to the window because he reeked of chicken shit,
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forced to sit next to his father on the floor,
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and wants his mother have sex with strangers. His first
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sexual experiences with squirrels and rabbits. He lost an eye
1290
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.559
and a play knife fight with a brother didn't sound
1291
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.599
very playful. He claims that his first sexual experience outside
1292
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of you know, possibly being molested by his mother in
1293
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.280
a pond with a human being who was with the
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00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.039
dead body of a girl he just strangled. His next
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sexual experience was raping a niece, and his next multiple
1296
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experiences would take place in prison, then months of getting
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kicked out of or getting excuse me, getting out of prison,
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00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:38.239
he stabbed his mother in the neck and killed her.
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He went back to prison, then to a state mental
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hospital for a decade, then traveled around the country, molesting
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and raping family members and possibly raping and killing strangers.
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He tells so many stories. Years later, god knows what
1303
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:49.039
all he did.
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00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.880
Goes back to prison again after trying to kidnap a
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teen girl, gets out, gets married, then flees town after
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00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:58.440
molesting a race and raping his stepdaughters, then gets run
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out of another town for molesting a rap who knows
1308
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.440
how many other kids. Then, at forty one, this man,
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who has known almost nothing but incarceration an aim was
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00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.840
drifting in violence and sexual abuse, both dishing out and
1311
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:12.840
receiving the violence and sexual abuse. This man meets another
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man who he'd go on to have a long and
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infamous crimes for you with a man who'd had a
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similarly similarly terrible childhood. Otis Tool. Let's back up now
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to nineteen forty seven. On March fifth, nineteen forty seven,
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Otis Elwood Tool was born in Jacksonville, Florida, and holy shit,
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what a name. Otis Elwood Tool. That name alone may
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have kept him from ever getting good grades or a
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decent job. Otis Elwood Tool is the kind of name
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00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.400
you give to like an inbred redneck character in some
1321
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.679
kind of slapstick comedy. All three names sound backwoods. Put
1322
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:48.519
them all together, and it sounds like you've made some
1323
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:54.159
kind of hillbilly superhero ep ep ain away. Otis Elwood
1324
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.679
toole that's here to save the day. Oh god, tech,
1325
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.199
nam it? Oh don't got my cape stuck on the
1326
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:03.159
back of the toilet. Oh shit, I got shit on
1327
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:06.199
my cafe. Now, well, if this ain't mess you in
1328
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.679
a turb biscuit on the hot side, damn it, Someone.
1329
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:10.519
Get my pocket off.
1330
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:12.199
In a minute, I'm gonna have to cut this cave
1331
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:14.039
off before I opened their way anywheres?
1332
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:18.760
And I got some of my mouth. Oh kind ain't anyway.
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00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.199
Otis was born in Jacksonville, city, found in eighteen twenty two,
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00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.639
named after former suck subject Andrew Jackson. Jacksonville is actually
1335
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:27.039
the biggest city in Florid, at least as far as
1336
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.920
the population in site that city limits go was roughly
1337
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:32.840
a million people, which surprisingly is almost twice as biggest. Miami,
1338
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:35.400
the Midst metro area is the fourth biggest, and Florida
1339
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:38.199
behind Miami, Tampa, and Orlando. I've been there twice, and
1340
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:40.559
for some reason, I thought it was way smaller. It's
1341
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.199
also the biggest city when it comes to total acreage
1342
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.199
in the entire United States. So anyway, pretty big city.
1343
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.039
And in that way, Otis had a very different childhood
1344
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.159
than small town Henry, and so many other ways eerily
1345
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:56.400
similar childhood. Otis's father was Bill Toole, an alcoholic, just
1346
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:58.840
like Henry's dad, who would leave his wife and eight kids.
1347
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:00.599
When Otis was in grade school and never return.
1348
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.599
His mother was Sarah Toole, a woman who, according to Otis,
1349
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:05.880
didn't want another son when he was born, a mom
1350
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.880
who didn't want him. Also like Henry, and just like Henry,
1351
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:12.599
Otis suffered from seizures. Unlike Henry, he suffered them from birth.
1352
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.880
They weren't brought in by two by four to the head.
1353
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:19.159
Also like Henry, Otis's mother made him wear dresses. Otis's
1354
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.320
dad liked to have his dirtbag friends come over and
1355
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.599
drink with him, and he liked little Otis to be
1356
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.119
the cocktail waitress. Little Otis, who would be wearing a
1357
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.679
dress and answering to the name of Susan and serving
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01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.159
drinks to his dad friends when he was like five
1359
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.559
years old. This fuck, this shit's crazy, so fucking creepy.
1360
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.000
How are there so many dirtbags out there raising kids?
1361
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:39.400
And one night, one of these dirtbags put their hand
1362
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:42.480
up young Otis's skirt, and Otis's dad, Bill caught him,
1363
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:44.119
and unfortunately he didn't cave.
1364
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:45.400
This man's fucking stolen.
1365
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.320
Now, of course, now this is the guy who had Lesley,
1366
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:48.639
was forcing his five year olds un to wear the
1367
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:51.519
dress and serve these guys drinks. Now he saw dollar signs,
1368
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.320
according to what Otis was claiming years later. And then
1369
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.719
you know, Otis's dad decided to pimp out his five
1370
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:00.400
year old body to these men for a few sends
1371
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.079
a turn, and that night a few of these drunken
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01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:06.440
dudes raped Otis, who screamed out in pain and confusion
1373
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:08.679
in front of his father, who may have been watching.
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01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:13.840
How much is that gonna fuck you up? And oh shit,
1375
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.079
and I hear somebody coming down the suck dungeon hallway,
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01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.880
Oh okay, all right, all right, they're coming in the door.
1377
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:24.199
Now bye bye play boy, Bye bye goddamn man. This
1378
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.639
is sad as and sad enough sexual abuse to make
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01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.000
a pimp mad as a man. First, now they're making
1380
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.280
a son. Watch now Bill making a sound squad. I
1381
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.880
don't know wonder they both end up feeling with the
1382
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.360
hate and violate. They've both been self instilling, making Chicken
1383
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.079
Joe feeling guilt of with pimpering and prostitution. Ain't no
1384
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.039
Uncle Bernie or Bill Toole, but still part of the
1385
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:43.519
ass for cast institution times.
1386
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.760
Chicken Joe be part of the solution.
1387
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.400
No more pollution, just evolution of restitution and absolution.
1388
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:52.159
Okay, allow me to translate.
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01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:56.119
I think Chicken Joe just officially retired from pimping and
1390
01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.920
wants to help keep others from suffering what otis suffered
1391
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:00.760
and witnessing what Henry witnessed.
1392
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:03.360
So cool old character.
1393
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:05.480
By the way, if you're confused, new listener, Chicken Joe
1394
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.199
from the Candy Man Suck pops in from time to
1395
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:11.320
time to drop some pimp perspective. After that horrible night
1396
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.920
in nineteen fifty two, Bill would pimp his son out
1397
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:17.239
again occasionally, and a few neighborhood men also began to
1398
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.639
molest Otis, and Otis would also claim some of his
1399
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.400
older sisters also began to molest him around this time.
1400
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.760
This couldn't couldn't have had any idea what normal sexual
1401
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.920
boundaries were. Also, his mother, instead of defending him from
1402
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.000
all this, verbally abused him, calling him a whore and slut,
1403
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:36.159
as if he brought on all this sexual attention upon himself,
1404
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:37.280
as if this shit.
1405
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:37.840
Was his fault.
1406
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:41.800
So you know he was not living exactly in a
1407
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:47.760
safe space. If your mama makes you wear a dress
1408
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.920
at the age of five, and then your daddy makes
1409
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:54.679
you serve drinks in that dress to his drinking buddies
1410
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:58.039
who pay your daddy money to rape you, and then
1411
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.760
your sisters also as to you, and then your mama
1412
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:07.880
raimed all this on you. You aving a killer, thanks Steph coxcurry.
1413
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.920
And then one day, sometime between nineteen fifty three nineteen
1414
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:13.119
fifty six, Otis is running out across the rotten front
1415
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.920
porch and one of the boards gives way beneath his
1416
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:17.320
feet and he falls flat on his face, And that
1417
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.159
on his own would have hurt quite a bit, I'm guessing,
1418
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:21.679
but what really stung was the nail he landed on
1419
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:26.119
allegedly pushed a nail straight into his skull two inches
1420
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.119
into his brain, and then his dumb fuck trash mother
1421
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:31.519
pulled it out and did not take him to a hospital.
1422
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:35.599
Yay, good moms and dads. This suck has almost none
1423
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:36.920
of them.
1424
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:39.559
This injury in the parental response to it, or lack thereof,
1425
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.800
reminds me of Henry Luke's eye, both of these men
1426
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:44.679
raised by the lowest level of dumb fuck white trash imaginable.
1427
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.559
After the nail incident, Otis has way more seizures as
1428
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.760
one would expect when a nail.
1429
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:52.159
Gets put in your head.
1430
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.599
In the spring of nineteen fifty seven, Otis is drunken
1431
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:55.119
scum of the earth.
1432
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:58.079
Father Bill leaves the family that warning and never returns. Hopefully.
1433
01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:00.639
He went and jumped off a cliff and in cannonball
1434
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:03.320
style and paled his asshole on a sword made out
1435
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.920
of sandpaper and salt. Otis would later claim that shortly
1436
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:08.880
after his father leaving, he went to live with his grandmother,
1437
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.159
and that his grandmother was some kind of priestess, some
1438
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:16.079
kind of practicing Satanist, and this is highly unlikely. Otis
1439
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:18.639
would talk all kinds of crazy talk about Satanists later,
1440
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:20.880
and I don't buy any of it. Maybe he did
1441
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.159
go live with his grandma, but I doubt she started
1442
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.800
letting Satanists molest in torture him bizarre and elaborate rituals.
1443
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:28.360
There was never any evidence of the many claims of
1444
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.719
the existence of child sacrificing Satanic groups both he and
1445
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:34.440
Henry Lucas would later talk about that were investigated.
1446
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:35.519
They found nothing.
1447
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.800
Otis would claim something that probably did actually happen though.
1448
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.639
Nineteen fifty nine, he turned twelve. That year hit puberty
1449
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.599
and realized he was sexually attracted to other boys. And
1450
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.480
when he told his nineteen fifty nine Jacksonville dirtbag family
1451
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.000
he was gay, the news was not well received. Not
1452
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:53.800
even Granma Satan was supportive. His mom proceeded to try
1453
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:56.280
and beat the gay out of him, which has literally
1454
01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:58.559
not ever worked once in the history of ever, and
1455
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.400
he ran away from home. He started squat and various
1456
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.920
abandoned houses in Jacksonville, which we apparently all over the place.
1457
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:06.440
He'd set fires in these houses to keep form at night,
1458
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.800
and at first his fire stayed in the actual fireplaces.
1459
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:11.559
But he was twelve, and you know, on his own for.
1460
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:12.719
The first time in anger at the world, and he
1461
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.920
didn't work real hard to make sure these fires were contained,
1462
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:18.039
And sometime in nineteen fifty ninety accidentally burned down one.
1463
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.800
Of these homes, and he loved it.
1464
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.079
The fire turned him on, and for the next two
1465
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.840
years he set, according to his own recollections, a great
1466
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:30.159
many fires around Jacksonville because the sexual excitement.
1467
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.480
The sexual excitement. Excuse me, he gave him.
1468
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:36.679
If your mama b when you told her he was
1469
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.079
gay and then you ran away from home, He started
1470
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:44.119
burning down houses because fire put some steel in your peter,
1471
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:49.039
you might be a killer. Nineteen sixty one, when Otis
1472
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:51.800
had turned fourteen, he began turning tricks to survive on
1473
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.199
his own and become a fixer in Jacksonville's gay bar scene.
1474
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.360
It wasn't many gay bars in Jacksonville ninety sixty one,
1475
01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:59.199
but always became a regular all of them. There was
1476
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:01.840
a fair amount of prostitutes in Jacksonville, and Otis became
1477
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.159
part of that community where you know, at least some
1478
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:06.239
people were looking out for him kind of, at least.
1479
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:07.239
They accepted him for who he was.
1480
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:09.880
Otis also claimed to commit his first murder at the
1481
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.599
age of fourteen. As Otis would later recall, one night
1482
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.239
he was picked up by a traveling salesman. Not all
1483
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.320
of his clients were kind to him or complimentary, but
1484
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:18.800
they usually didn't scare him.
1485
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:19.679
This guy did.
1486
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:21.920
The second Otis got into the car, he tore off
1487
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:24.480
down the freeway, laughing his ass off. In the middle
1488
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:26.480
of nowhere, ten minutes out of town, this guy swerved
1489
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:28.679
off the road, slamming on the brake, smashing Otis into
1490
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.079
the dashboard, knocking the wind out of him. He then
1491
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.000
dragged the day's fourteen year old out of the car,
1492
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:34.840
forced him down on all fours and the glare of
1493
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:38.519
the headlights, and then violently sodomized Otis. No lube, no
1494
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:41.679
effort to spare out as any pain, in fact, effort
1495
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.039
to give him pain. Otis screamed out as the man
1496
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.480
raped him, and then the man clearly enjoyed his suffering, telling.
1497
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:49.519
Him going, yeah, no one's going to hear you out here.
1498
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.400
When he was done, the salesman threw some change at
1499
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:55.119
Otis staggered back towards his car, laughing at what he'd done.
1500
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:56.840
He stopped in front of the car to light a
1501
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:58.760
cigarette looked back at where he left Otis, and then
1502
01:06:58.760 --> 01:06:59.440
he stopped laughing.
1503
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:00.199
Otis was on.
1504
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:02.679
He turned made a mad dash for the driver's door,
1505
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.840
but Otis had beat him to it. Otis locked the door,
1506
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.039
slammed the car into reverse, hammered it forward straight into
1507
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:10.360
the sadistic salesman, who fell into the car, and he
1508
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:13.960
ran right over him. Otis then reversed, backed up over
1509
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.800
the man, who squirmed in pain, ran over him again.
1510
01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.079
Then he got out to put his pants back on,
1511
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.719
make sure that the salesman was dead. He was super dead.
1512
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:24.280
The car's tires had run right over his head one
1513
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:26.920
of those times, and his skull had been crushed to
1514
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:31.840
a pulp. If you back over salesman you just done
1515
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:34.000
run over on the side of the road to make
1516
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:38.519
sure he's dead, you might be a our. Heck, I
1517
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:41.400
guess from that situation, I mean you already are a killer.
1518
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:42.840
I guess that's all for me.
1519
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:45.039
Hey, take care of your way, staff, drive home safer
1520
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.079
than you know that salesman guy. Otis done just killed
1521
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.880
deader than a cat. The dun't mean he shot ten times.
1522
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.119
Thanks for coming down to the chuckle slud. I'm Steff
1523
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:56.559
Cock scurvey. I'll see next time if that salesman really
1524
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:58.480
did behave like Otis describe picking up a fourteen year
1525
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.760
old boy, finally sodomizing him as he screamed out in pain.
1526
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:03.000
But I'm glad his knight ended with a flat head
1527
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.519
on the side of the road. Picking up a prostu
1528
01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:08.719
doesn't make any sexual thing you do to them, Okay, right,
1529
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:11.039
you can rape a partner, you can rape a prostitute,
1530
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:12.039
just like you can rape a stranger.
1531
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:17.920
Non consent is non consent? Fue that guy.
1532
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:21.079
For the next three years, Otis Toole continued to live
1533
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:23.199
on the streets of Jacksonville's the teenage prostitute and petty
1534
01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:26.640
theft stealing goods from the homes or petty thief stealing
1535
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.600
goods from the homes he crashed, you know in and
1536
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:31.159
selling them and occasionally burning down those homes. Then, in
1537
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.399
August nineteen sixty four, we noticed was seventeen, he got
1538
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:36.720
arrested in a prostitution sting. Because the officers didn't end
1539
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:39.279
up with enough evidence to actually charge Otis with prostitution,
1540
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.079
they charged him was loitering with intent, which is kind
1541
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:43.479
of like being charged with being up to no good.
1542
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.760
It's a lesser prostitution charger, which means we didn't catch
1543
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.000
him in the act. We come on, everybody knows what
1544
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.520
he's doing out there in the street. Otis got six
1545
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.239
months in jail, and like Henry le Lucas, he fucking
1546
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.960
loved it. He loved it more than Henry Hot meals
1547
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.159
a bed plenty of dudes to date. While Henry he
1548
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.479
was a sexual opportunist, Otis was a homosexual and jail
1549
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:04.520
was literally the best place he'd ever been up until
1550
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:06.880
that point in his life. When Otis got out nineteen
1551
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:08.640
sixty five, and powered by the knowledge that he really
1552
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:10.840
didn't care if you went to prison or not, you know,
1553
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:13.000
the just about to turn eighteen, Otis tool decided to
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01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.720
explore more of the world than Jacksonville. He stole a
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01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.039
car within a few weeks being released, bounced around the South,
1556
01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:22.119
standing in abandoned homes, burglarizing others, horning himself out, possibly
1557
01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:22.920
murdering others.
1558
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:25.560
He confessed to such a ridiculous.
1559
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.840
Amount of murders and then retract most of his confessions
1560
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.239
or have them discredited that it's impossible to know what
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01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:30.680
he actually did.
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01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:32.479
Fro nineteen sixty five, to nineteen seventy three.
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01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.399
In nineteen seventy four, he was living in Nebraska, or
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01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:38.159
at least taking his time drifting through Nebraska, and he
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01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:40.000
became the prime suspect in the murder of twenty four
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01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.119
year old Patricia Webb. He's still a suspect in her murder.
1567
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.840
Patricia was shot in Lincoln on April eighteenth, but did
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01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:48.720
Otis Tool kill her. Tool Will confessed to her murder,
1569
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:51.880
along with hundreds of others, but he again still suspect.
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01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:54.239
But Webb was also working as an undercovered drug informant
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01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:56.760
for the Nebraska State Patrol. She was working in a
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01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.520
porn shop and the mafia was believed We've been running
1573
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.359
that porn shopw and others used him as fronts for
1574
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.960
crimes like narcotics dealing, and in twenty twelve, in an interview,
1575
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:09.680
Lincoln Police Sergeant Larry Barksdale, who would reopened Webb's case,
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01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:12.119
thinks she was executed by someone either in the mob
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01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:14.520
or working for the mob. She wasn't right before or
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01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.920
after being shot six times in the head four more times.
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01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.119
The body seemed like an execution. Shortly after her murder.
1580
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.600
Tool would claim he left Nebraska and headed for Colorado,
1581
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:25.720
where one month later he became a suspect and another homicide,
1582
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:28.439
the murder of thirty one year old Ellen Holman, Murdered
1583
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:32.199
on October fourteenth, nineteen seventy four, Holman was abducted from Pueblo, Colorado,
1584
01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:34.560
shot three times in the head. Her body dumped by
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01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.119
the side of the road near the Oklahoma border. Shortly
1586
01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:40.439
after her disappearance and death, Tool left Colorado. He was
1587
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:43.319
staying in Boulder and headed back towards Jacksonville, arriving there
1588
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:47.680
by early nineteen seventy five. For the next few years, Toole,
1589
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.119
now in his late twenties, re established relationships with some
1590
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:52.640
family members in the area, worked odd jobs, stole ship
1591
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:56.079
from time to time, prostituted here and there. Nineteen seventy six,
1592
01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:58.520
even briefly tried to pretend he was straight and got married.
1593
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.159
Suppose he married an un name woman twenty five years
1594
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:03.720
his senior, who then annulled the marriage three days later
1595
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:05.600
when she found out he was gay. Feels like a
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01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.399
scam slash. Money grabbed to me. There and then in
1597
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:10.239
the spring of nineteen seventy eight, he met Henry Lee
1598
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:12.039
Lucas in a Jacksonville soup kitchen.
1599
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.039
Now we're caught back up with Henry in the timeline.
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01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:18.760
Yeah, yeah, Before we go further with the conjoined exploits
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01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:21.600
of these two, let's recap Otis a bit. It's even
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01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:23.560
harder to get life details on Otis than it was
1603
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:25.760
with Henry. No one in his family, to my knowledge,
1604
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.800
ever granted any interviews. His mother and grandmother were dead
1605
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:30.279
by the time he was caught. His dad, a band
1606
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.279
in the family, seems to have died based on genealogy records,
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01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.600
shortly after doing so. His siblings either didn't get asked
1608
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:38.720
for any interviews or didn't grant them. There are a
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01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:41.600
few quickly written shitty biographies on Tool that amount to
1610
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.319
nothing more than a than fluffed up kind of Wikipedia page.
1611
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:47.720
Nothing has been written by any respected true crime author.
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01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.039
He didn't seem to really have any friends. He moved
1613
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.119
around either stole and hustled his way through life, or
1614
01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:54.159
worked for cash. He stole cars or hitchhike instead of
1615
01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:56.800
buying a bus ticket or a vehicle most of the time,
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01:11:56.840 --> 01:11:58.520
so it's hard to find, you know, even sales records
1617
01:11:58.520 --> 01:11:59.800
to really track down where he was.
1618
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:01.439
Was a ghost for much of his free life.
1619
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:04.199
Also, based on the results of some prison assessments, also
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01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:06.680
had a low IQ around seventy five, and this comes
1621
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.840
across in a handful of prison interviews. He doesn't reveal
1622
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:12.119
much about his life in these interviews other than that
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01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.479
fire makes his dick hard and that he would like
1624
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:17.000
to watch an entire city burn to the ground because
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01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.399
that would get him really hard and it's big. And
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01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:21.199
he also says in one interview, it's no big deal
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01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.640
being a killer, because you know he talks. This is
1628
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:26.319
how he talks. Reminds me of this character from a
1629
01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:29.239
movie I'm trying to place. It was a Richard Gear movie,
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01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:33.319
Oh my God, with the guy from American History X.
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01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.800
I cannot remember. I'm blanking right now. I don't have
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01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:40.039
this in my notes. It's just his voice just right now,
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01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:42.439
just connects to my head, with a really good actor
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01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:46.439
who played whatever anyway, his voice when he said like,
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01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:48.720
it's no big deal of being a killer, because even
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01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:50.720
as you step on a bug, you're you know you're
1637
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:53.760
a killer. He comes across as a simple guy intellectually
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01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:55.920
who enjoyed burning shit and killing people the same way
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01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:59.119
typical kid would love ice cream and video games. No
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01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.239
guilt over murdered, just saying everything with that softest don't
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01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:04.680
don't mile me. I'm just a harmless, old Southern bial
1642
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:05.119
kind of.
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01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:05.520
Way to speak.
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01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:09.760
He comes across very likable, actually very harmless, says things
1645
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:11.720
in such a pleasant way you almost forget how horrible
1646
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.359
the shit he's talking about really is just his attitude.
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01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:16.640
Like you know, some people like going to the movies,
1648
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.399
and I just I like sitting things on fire and
1649
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.840
just kind of raping and killing folks. Now, let's talk
1650
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.319
about Henry Lucas and otis raal Fear.
1651
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:26.840
Thank you, Primal Fear.
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01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:29.359
We're trying to figure it out out here, Yes, Primal Fear.
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01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.159
And what's the actor's name. It's the guy from American
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01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:32.479
History X, Edward Norton.
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01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:34.600
Edward Norton, thank you.
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01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:38.560
He he talks like Edward Norton's character in Primal Fear.
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01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:40.159
For any of you who have their reference, Thank you,
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01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:41.600
Thank you, Reverend doctor Joe Paisy.
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01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:45.000
Yeah, it was more harmony than me. Okay, thank you harmony.
1660
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:48.039
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crimes of Today's Dirtbag Duo. So after meeting that soup
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01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:39.119
kitchen Henry Otis, Henry Otis, excuse me, start bonding almost instantaneously.
1703
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:42.399
They have a tremendous amount in common. They both suffer
1704
01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:45.079
from seizures in childhood. They both had alcoholic fathers.
1705
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:45.600
Who left the family.
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01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:48.119
Henry's father through what seemed to be a suicide. Otis's
1707
01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:51.000
father just straight up abandonment. They both had mothers who
1708
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:53.600
hated them, forced them to wear dresses. They both had
1709
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:55.960
committed murder, or we think they both did. Henry for
1710
01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:58.439
sure he went to prison for Killin's mom. Otis did
1711
01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:00.640
always stick to his claim of killing that six salesman
1712
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:01.399
when he was fourteen.
1713
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:03.319
They both grew up super poor.
1714
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:05.960
They both had strange head injuries as children, Henry's two
1715
01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:07.399
by four to the back of the head, otis Is
1716
01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:10.239
nailed with the brain. Neither family cared enough about them
1717
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:12.119
to take them to the hospital after those injuries. They
1718
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.640
both enjoyed being incarcerated, and they both drifted aimlessly from
1719
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:19.279
place to place, surviving off of petty crimes. Neither of
1720
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:22.720
them ever really had a friend, onless you count that mule,
1721
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:26.039
not a friend who knew who they actually were and
1722
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:28.359
still accept them or even loved them. Now, there are
1723
01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:30.880
different versions of what the two did the first day
1724
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.960
they met. Some versions involved thirty one year old Otis
1725
01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:35.840
bringing forty one year old Henry home to stay with
1726
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:38.600
him and his mama. Other versions have this mother dead,
1727
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:41.279
which based on death records, is not true, and that
1728
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:43.199
the men then bond over being haunted by their mothers
1729
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.399
when they stop at the tombstone of Otis's mother, Sarah,
1730
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.039
who wouldn't die until May of nineteen eighty one. Other
1731
01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:50.920
versions have the two heading straight to Otis's department, you know,
1732
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:53.760
just fucking each other's brains out, before heading out to
1733
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:57.399
kill hundreds of hitchhikers following the orders of that secret
1734
01:16:57.479 --> 01:16:59.479
Satanic organization known as the Hands of Death.
1735
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:01.319
That doesn't seem to be true.
1736
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:03.159
This next story may not be true either, but it
1737
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.840
feels to me like the most likely version to be true,
1738
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:08.800
or maybe just the most exciting version. Maybe just elements
1739
01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:10.319
of this one are true. In this version of Henry
1740
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:12.600
and Otis meet and then Otis invites Henry over to
1741
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:14.479
his place so he can change and they can go
1742
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:15.800
out and grab some drinks together.
1743
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:16.359
Hit the town.
1744
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.279
Otis changed into women's clothes and they go out to
1745
01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:21.600
a local gay bar and Henry doesn't care, and Otis
1746
01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:24.760
loves that Henry doesn't care. Henry likes how comfortable Otis
1747
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:26.960
is with his true nature. They have a few drinks,
1748
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:29.800
they go to a local bar that is decidedly not gay.
1749
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:33.079
A bit later, and the Jacksonville locals don't.
1750
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:36.840
Exactly appreciate Otis's choice of clothes, don't like the dress
1751
01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:39.119
he's wearing, and he and Henry step outside with some
1752
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:41.520
of them. After some fighting, words get tossed about and
1753
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:43.840
then a fight ensues and Henry and Otis beat the
1754
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:46.399
shit out of two men, mostly Otis.
1755
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:48.039
Henry's impressed with his toughness.
1756
01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:51.399
Then more locals come out and severely outnumber to Henry
1757
01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:53.359
and Otis run for their lives. After a few blocks,
1758
01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:55.439
only one man still chasing him. He follows him into
1759
01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:57.399
an alley where then the Otis takes a handgun out
1760
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.600
of his purse and shoots his Sonovich point blow range,
1761
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:03.359
six times in the chest and kills him. And then,
1762
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:05.439
because everyone in that bar could id them, the two
1763
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:08.319
flee Jacksonville and again, no idea that actually fucking happened
1764
01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:11.720
or not. It's my favorite origin story for this, you know,
1765
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:15.399
dysfunctional uh pair. They're the beginning of their misadventures together.
1766
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:17.399
The two would later claim they had a grand old
1767
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:20.520
time the summer of seventy eight become they became occasional lovers.
1768
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.319
Henry would never be into Otis like Otis would be
1769
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:25.840
into him, but when he couldn't find a woman. Otis
1770
01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:28.760
was a reliable, you know, backup plan, and they enjoyed
1771
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:31.479
each other's company, drinking together Robin convenience stores and gas
1772
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:37.000
stations in Alabama, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin. They
1773
01:18:37.039 --> 01:18:39.119
would claim to shoot any store clerk or customer who
1774
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:40.560
got in their way. They claimed that they picked up
1775
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:43.560
a variety of hitchhikers, mostly young women, with Henry and
1776
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:46.279
even Otis sometimes raping them. I guess the sexual attraction
1777
01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:49.399
to violence would overcome his homosexuality moments, and then they
1778
01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:51.399
dumped the bodies in the woods. They both would claim,
1779
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:53.760
based on what Henry learned to studying these case files
1780
01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:56.439
back in Ionia, that they varied up their killing methods
1781
01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:59.399
to keep authorities from connecting their crimes. They burned somebodies,
1782
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:01.479
cut up others. They'd leave somebody's out in the open,
1783
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:04.479
barry others. Some victims were raped before or after death.
1784
01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:07.520
Some were never touched sexually. The ages of the victims
1785
01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:11.479
would range substantially. Well, Henry, you know, preferred teen girls.
1786
01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:15.079
Sometimes they would kill you know, elderly women, sometimes dudes,
1787
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:17.359
and the sex of the victims was very Sometimes they
1788
01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:18.760
took money and valuables off of victims.
1789
01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:19.520
Sometimes they didn't.
1790
01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:23.000
Sometimes victims were shot to death, sometimes stabbed, sometimes strangled.
1791
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:26.279
According to Otis, on the nine of November fifth, nineteen
1792
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:28.920
seventy eight, they traveled a round Rock north of Austin, Texas,
1793
01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:32.239
on Interstate thirty five picked up a teenage couple who's
1794
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:34.520
nineteen seventy four to Ford to Reno had run out
1795
01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:36.800
of gas. When they got both teenagers in the car,
1796
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:38.840
they pointed a gun at the teenage boy and he
1797
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.319
gave them his wallet. Henry was driving the car pulled
1798
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:43.439
off the road, Otis opened the door, pulled the boy out,
1799
01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:45.279
and shot him. When the boy tried to run, Otis
1800
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:48.000
emptied his gun into him. While Otis was driving the car,
1801
01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:50.319
Henry went into the back seat started raping the girl.
1802
01:19:50.359 --> 01:19:51.239
Otis got jealous.
1803
01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:53.239
He stopped the car and his service rode south to Waco,
1804
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:54.760
where he ordered the girl out of the car and
1805
01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:57.359
put six shots into her. And all kinds of simil
1806
01:19:57.359 --> 01:19:58.640
little stories that may or may not have.
1807
01:19:58.560 --> 01:19:59.319
Happened like that.
1808
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.560
In early nineteen seventy nine, Henry Otis stayed with Henry's
1809
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:06.319
half sister, Almeat, in Maryland, but then they left in February,
1810
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:08.600
after you know, she threatened to report him for sexually
1811
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:11.560
abusing her granddaughter. As he left town, Henry sold his nephew,
1812
01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:14.520
Randy Kaiser's pickup truck. They made it back to Jacksonville
1813
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.520
nineteen seventy nine. Couch served for a bit, staying with
1814
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:19.760
some of Otis' sisters, eventually making it to the home
1815
01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:24.199
of his oldest sister, Drusilla. Drusilla was a single mom
1816
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:26.279
and need a babysitting help, so she let her homicidal
1817
01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:29.600
brother and her serial molesting buddy and his serial molesting buddy.
1818
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:32.039
Henry watched her ten year old twins, Frank and Freda,
1819
01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:35.479
in exchange for a place to say, and surprisingly this
1820
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:39.720
didn't work out well for her daughter, Freda weird. Henry
1821
01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:42.399
immediately started grooming Freda to be molested. He gave her
1822
01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.239
a secret name she'd soon adopt publicly, Becky, and he
1823
01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:48.199
showered gifts upon her to stay close to to Becky,
1824
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.560
Henry even got a day job in Jacksonville. He got
1825
01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:53.600
Otis one to two. Both began working Southeast Color Coat,
1826
01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:56.279
a roofing company where the men actually do show up
1827
01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:59.319
on payroll records. A few years later, after getting caught
1828
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:01.399
for other murders. Henry and Otis would confess to committing
1829
01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:04.119
hundreds of murders in and around nineteen seventy nine. The
1830
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:06.039
most famous of these murders was the murder of twenty
1831
01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:09.640
three year old Deborah Luis Jackson, which Henry took credit for.
1832
01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:12.640
She died on either October thirty through October thirty first,
1833
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.680
nineteen seventy nine. Deborah was just recently positively identified thanks
1834
01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:19.520
to DNA advancements, just last month, all these years later.
1835
01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:23.319
Prior to August of twenty nineteen, she was known only
1836
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:26.039
as Orange Socks, a name given because you know, when
1837
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:27.439
her body was found. As I said earlier, she just
1838
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:29.039
had a pair of orange socks on. And again this
1839
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:30.520
is that victim. I said at the beginning of Today
1840
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.680
Suck that Henry Lee Lucas would be sentenced to death
1841
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.199
for and if the execution sends, former Texas Governor George W.
1842
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:37.079
Bush would repeal.
1843
01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:40.560
Jackson had been sexually assaulted, strangled to death, thrown over
1844
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:43.560
the guardrail along Interstate thirty five near Georgetown, Texas, north
1845
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:46.439
of Austin. One of two matchbooks founded the scene belonged
1846
01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:49.600
to a hotel from Henrietta, Oklahoma, supporting the theory that
1847
01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.920
she was a hitchhiker or a drifter. Years later, Lucas
1848
01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:55.760
would claim that he killed this woman, although no physical
1849
01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:57.479
evidence linked him to the killing. He stated that he
1850
01:21:57.520 --> 01:21:59.119
picked her up in Oklahoma where they'd.
1851
01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:00.600
Had sex, and then they drew on.
1852
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:03.119
Down to Texas and he wanted sex again and she refused,
1853
01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:05.920
and he became enraged and strangled her, raped her corpse,
1854
01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:09.399
dumped her body near Georgetown. And even though he contradicted
1855
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:12.960
himself numerous times during this confession, even though he was
1856
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:16.840
shown crime scene evidence like photos before the confession, photos
1857
01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:20.520
that included the Oklahoma matchbooks, he was still convicted. Then,
1858
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:23.119
years later, an investigative journalists discovered that Lucas had been
1859
01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:25.840
paid for working at Southeast Color CoAP back in Jacksonville
1860
01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:28.600
before during after the murder, supposed he took place that
1861
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:32.319
he deposited his paycheck in Jacksonville at this time. And
1862
01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:36.319
Jacksonville is just over a thousand miles from Georgetown and Henrietta,
1863
01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:39.680
Oklahoma is almost another four hundred miles up north of Georgetown.
1864
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:43.119
So this alibi is why Bush didn't execute him. Highly
1865
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:46.000
unlikely he committed this particular murder more on all of
1866
01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:49.079
his confessions and why he confissed confessed a bit later.
1867
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:52.880
Oltis and Henry Staton Jacksonville worked at that local roofing
1868
01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:55.039
company until the end of nineteen eighty one, and then
1869
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.680
on November first, nineteen eighty one, Little Freda aka Becky's mama,
1870
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:02.760
Drusilla either hung herself for overdose or overdose.
1871
01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:04.239
Excuse me, depending on which source you read. She was
1872
01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:04.840
thirty seven.
1873
01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:08.439
Frank and Becky were now fourteen, and Henry was still
1874
01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:10.880
obsessed with Becky, and Becky, who was described as being
1875
01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:12.680
mildly mentally impaired.
1876
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:13.359
Was obsessed with Henry.
1877
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:16.159
With no one else in Otis's family stepping up to
1878
01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:18.119
watch them, the kids fell into the temporary care of
1879
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:21.000
Otis and Henry until social workers from Child Protective Services
1880
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:23.239
found out what was going on, swooped in to take
1881
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:26.439
them and placed them in state care. Frank ended up
1882
01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:28.039
being sent to a state at home for children with
1883
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.680
severe mental disabilities, and Becky and now she was just
1884
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:35.399
going by. Becky was placed in foster care sometime in
1885
01:23:35.439 --> 01:23:38.039
early nineteen eighty two. Again dependent on the source, Becky
1886
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.319
either ran away from foster care or Henry came and
1887
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:43.359
picked her up, and she Otis and Henry headed off
1888
01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:46.399
towards Texas with her, and we know the three of
1889
01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:48.880
them were together. Becky would have now been either fourteen
1890
01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.279
or fifteen. She turned fifteen on February twenty seventh, nineteen
1891
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:53.720
sixty seven. And if now forty five year old Henry
1892
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:56.560
Lucas wasn't having sex with her before he was now,
1893
01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:57.800
he probably was before.
1894
01:23:58.640 --> 01:23:59.840
Elvis didn't have a problem.
1895
01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:01.520
With this other than you know, he was jealous that
1896
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.600
Henry wasn't with him because he had no personal understanding
1897
01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:07.640
of what was a sexually acceptable relationship thanks to his
1898
01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:10.439
combination of a terribly dysfunctional childhood in a low IQ.
1899
01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:12.199
Six days after.
1900
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.239
Taking off with Becky, Henry and Otis would claim to
1901
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:16.720
have raped and killed another victim on I twenty between Abilene,
1902
01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:20.279
Texas and Colorado City, Colorado in Scottsdale. They said they
1903
01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:22.399
dumped this woman's head in the desert, and then after that,
1904
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:24.800
Otis went back to Florida alone and would never see
1905
01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:28.680
his niece Becky alive again. Why did Otis leave? Once again?
1906
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:33.199
Conflicting stories from conflicting sources. There are essentially two main
1907
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:36.680
versions of why this happened. In version number one, Otis
1908
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:39.520
gets sick. His liver acts up and his skin suddenly
1909
01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:42.439
looks very jaundiced, and he grows increasingly sluggish and starts
1910
01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:44.600
to vomit every time he tries to eat. He's been
1911
01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:46.079
drinking hard since he was a little kid, and his
1912
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:48.359
body was just you know, getting real beat up, and
1913
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:50.840
he would eventually die in prison from cirrhosis.
1914
01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:52.640
So we do know he did have liver problems.
1915
01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:55.000
And according to this version, he decides to head back
1916
01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:57.479
to Jacksonville, where he has relatives, and he wants to
1917
01:24:57.520 --> 01:24:59.680
check into a hospital there maybe he can get some help,
1918
01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:01.600
you know, post hospital.
1919
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:02.520
Treatment from those relatives.
1920
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:04.640
And Henry and Becky don't want to return to Jacksonville
1921
01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:06.920
because Becky's a minor still and the state's gonna put
1922
01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:08.680
her back in foster care. And Henry doesn't want that
1923
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:11.039
because you know, she's put in state custody. How is
1924
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:14.399
he supposed to keep molesting nerve? In version number two,
1925
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:18.239
Otis is disgusted with Henry's relationship with his young niece,
1926
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:21.119
but again not because Henry's a pedophile. He's bothered because
1927
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:24.319
he's jealous. He loves Henry wants Henry only to fuck him.
1928
01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:26.800
In this version, he and Otis do fuck up sometimes
1929
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:28.920
or do fuck sometimes. They hook up sometimes here and
1930
01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:32.800
there behind Becky's back, and she catches him, catches him
1931
01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:35.000
in the act and she tells Henry it's either her
1932
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:38.520
or Otis, and Henry says he wants to wait until
1933
01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:40.439
they make it to the western Texas state line before
1934
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:42.119
choosing who is going to continue.
1935
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.039
To be with. Then he chooses Becky. Fucked up with?
1936
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:48.880
Is this entire arrangement like what a dark romantic tryst?
1937
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.680
Are you gonna stay with the guy who you supposedly
1938
01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:54.439
kidnap people and kill him with? Or are you gonna
1939
01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:57.600
keep fucking that guy's underage niece? My god, behind door
1940
01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:01.560
number two, we have his niece. After Henry makes his
1941
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:04.720
choice and chooses Becky, Henry and Becky continue their journey
1942
01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:07.159
alone or just the two of them, and they go
1943
01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:10.199
on to Beaumont. One night, while they're hitch hiking on
1944
01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:13.920
the I ten state Route seventy nine, an antique dealer
1945
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.640
named Jack Smart from the small southern California Riverside County
1946
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:20.920
desert city of met picks them up and even gives
1947
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:22.560
them an apartment to live in. In return for living
1948
01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.399
in this department, Henry's given odd jobs to do in
1949
01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:27.640
Jack's shop at home. By now, Becky is presenting herself
1950
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:30.119
as the wife of Henry, and when Jack's eighty year
1951
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:33.760
old nearly blind mother, Kate Rich needs someone to look
1952
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.680
after her, Henry and Becky are asked by Jack to
1953
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:40.199
do that. And I have no idea why these people
1954
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:43.239
were not very bothered by Henry and Becky's age difference.
1955
01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.479
Maybe these other people were also kid thoughers. Henry and
1956
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:48.439
Becky impress Jack and his family with their hard work,
1957
01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:50.319
and in May of nineteen eighty two, they take a
1958
01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:54.880
Greyhound bus to Ringold, Ring Goold in Montague County in
1959
01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:57.760
Texas to care for Kate. Ringgold is a little unincorporated
1960
01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:59.439
community of no more than one hundred people in north
1961
01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:02.560
central Texas, located right off the Texas Oklahoma border. Mostly
1962
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:04.640
dirt roads and beat up old homes, with the occasional
1963
01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.720
nice home of a local cattle baron sprinkled in very
1964
01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:10.479
wild West looking. You can picture the James Younger gang
1965
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.079
riding through an area like this, you know, back in
1966
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:15.960
the day, high desert and sagebrush cattle and coyotes. By
1967
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:17.640
the end of the month, Henry and Becky, You're thrown
1968
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:20.159
out of the house by two of Kate's daughters after
1969
01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:23.560
being suspected of forging checks under Kate's name, and based
1970
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.800
on Henry's criminal past, I'm guessing he for sure did
1971
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:29.079
fords those checks. A general store clerk alerted Kate's daughters.
1972
01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:30.159
That Henry was stealing from their mom.
1973
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:33.199
Her daughters then visited their mother's house, the house Henry
1974
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:34.960
and Becky were also supposed to keep clean, find it
1975
01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:37.439
filthy and unkept, and they fire the two and give
1976
01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:38.920
them bus fair to get the hell out of town.
1977
01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:41.600
Instead of taking the bus, Henry keeps some money decidnes
1978
01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:44.319
that they should hitch hike back to California instead. Then
1979
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:46.640
they're doing just that, and then they get picked up
1980
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:49.119
by a preacher named Ruben Moore who is running a
1981
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:51.800
small religious community called the House of Prayer in Stoneberg,
1982
01:27:52.399 --> 01:27:54.800
a town whose population never exceed one hundred and fifteen
1983
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:57.319
hovers around fifty now. It's no more than ten minutes
1984
01:27:57.359 --> 01:28:00.399
south of ring Gold in Texas. Take a Google Earth
1985
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:02.399
gander at this place if you want to feel depressed
1986
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:05.239
or better about wherever you live. I don't like to
1987
01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:07.479
call place of shitholes because I think about you know
1988
01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:09.439
how some of you are bound to live in those places.
1989
01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:14.960
But holy shithole Stoneberg is, in my opinion, and I'm
1990
01:28:14.960 --> 01:28:17.159
guessing the opinion of every person on earth whose opinion
1991
01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.439
I respect, a colossal fucking dump.
1992
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:20.800
It's not even a town.
1993
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:23.800
It's an assortment of really beat up and dilapidated, old,
1994
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:26.000
single white trailers on lots of nothing but dirt and
1995
01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:29.239
weeds and brush and litter in the Texas desert, ten
1996
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:32.000
minutes outside of the little five thousand person Texas town.
1997
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:33.920
Of Bowie or Bowie.
1998
01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:36.720
And while I think, you know, Bowie might have some charm,
1999
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:38.920
I'm guessing a fair amount of people would also label
2000
01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:40.680
it as a shithole. And I'm guessing that many of
2001
01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:42.520
the people of Bowie make fun of the people who
2002
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:45.359
live in Stoneburg. So Henry and young Becky head to
2003
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:48.720
the dusty, little fucking shithole of Stoneberg and live on
2004
01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:52.119
a religious compound, and they love it because they have
2005
01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:54.279
no idea what a good life is supposed to look like.
2006
01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:57.079
Ruben offers them a place to stay in exchange for
2007
01:28:57.159 --> 01:29:00.359
Henry working as roofer and general repair men. He also
2008
01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:03.920
helps with the chores, and, to Henry's strong displeasure, becomes
2009
01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:06.399
a firm believer in christ Gonna be hard to keep
2010
01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:08.239
killing strangers and fucking their corpuses on the side of
2011
01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:10.279
the road if he suddenly has a Christian riding shotgun,
2012
01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:14.239
total buzz kill. And then after she finds Jesus, Becky
2013
01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:15.760
gets homesick and wants.
2014
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:16.720
To return to Jacksonville.
2015
01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:19.039
It's almost like she was a confused and scared child
2016
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:21.840
and just wanted to go home. Henry tells her that
2017
01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:23.920
they'll head back, but he has no intention of keeping
2018
01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:26.239
that promise and taking her back to Jacksonville. He's afraid
2019
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.079
that she's going to tell someone what she's seen him do.
2020
01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.439
He claimed to have killed several hitchhikers while she was
2021
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:34.760
on the road with him and Otis. On Henry's forty
2022
01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:38.399
sixth birthday August twenty third, nineteen eighty two, he agrees
2023
01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:40.920
to take fifteen year old Becky home and how gross
2024
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:43.399
by the way he is over three times her age.
2025
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:46.039
That's never good relationship math over three times the age
2026
01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:46.920
of the other person.
2027
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:49.680
They pack everything they own into three suitcases.
2028
01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:51.520
Reuben gives them a lift on August twenty fourth to
2029
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:54.239
a truck stop and Alvert, Texas about twenty five minutes away.
2030
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:56.640
Alvert little fifty hundred person in town, just pass Bowie
2031
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:01.159
based on more Google picks. For sure, sorry if you
2032
01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:04.319
live there, but holy hell, this whole fucking part of
2033
01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:08.399
Texas looks like some post apocalyptic fucking dump looks about
2034
01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:10.760
as appealing to live in as a Central Nevada. If
2035
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:12.399
you live in one of those places and you're pissed, well,
2036
01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:15.520
you know what, travel to any other part of the country,
2037
01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:18.880
like anywhere else. Tell me I'm wrong, Tell me I'm wrong,
2038
01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:21.399
sending pictures of where you live in your town, and
2039
01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:23.800
then sending pictures of like I don't know any place
2040
01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:27.399
in Idaho, Montana, or basically any other state, and see
2041
01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:29.640
which one looks better. You have one life, Do not
2042
01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.760
waste it in Alfred, Texas. Save your money, get the
2043
01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:34.560
fuck out. If someone told me you have two choices,
2044
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:37.279
you can either kill yourself and go to Hell, or
2045
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:40.199
you can live in Alfred, Texas, I'd be like, I thought,
2046
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:41.760
I'm sorry. I thought you said I had two choices.
2047
01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:43.640
You just that's the same thing, just presented in two
2048
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.039
different ways. I know that's brutal, but I've been to
2049
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:47.760
a lot of towns. I've been to every state in
2050
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:51.359
the country, and some of them don't need to exist anymore, right,
2051
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:51.800
Can we be.
2052
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:52.359
Honest about that?
2053
01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:54.159
Some people are like, oh, we got five for our
2054
01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:56.640
town or not, or you could just let it go
2055
01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:57.800
move to a better place.
2056
01:30:58.560 --> 01:30:59.720
Not every place is.
2057
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:01.359
Some idiot it's decided to settle down in at one
2058
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:02.920
point needs to keep being.
2059
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:04.399
A town anyway.
2060
01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:08.039
For getting dropped off, Becky and Henry got two rides
2061
01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:10.119
that took him to Denton, Texas, and then they waited
2062
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:12.199
on an access road to the interstate, but no one
2063
01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:14.359
picked him up. They decided to make their way down
2064
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:17.159
to a nearby field, make camp before nightfall, and did
2065
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:19.000
their bed rolls, settled down to sleep, and then Henry
2066
01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:21.239
said he decided to try to persuade Becky to go
2067
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:23.439
back to the House of Prayer, said he was scared
2068
01:31:23.479 --> 01:31:25.159
of get in trouble if they went back to Jacksonville.
2069
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.600
Then he said they started to argue, and finally Henry
2070
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:28.840
told her he made up his mind and they were
2071
01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:31.640
going back to the church compound in Stoneberg, and he
2072
01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:33.279
said that Becky screamed and hit him on the side
2073
01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:34.640
of the head, and I pissed Henry off.
2074
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:36.319
He claim he just snapped and stabbed.
2075
01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:38.079
Her with a knife of the chest, and he said
2076
01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:40.039
he just she just sat there stunned for a few seconds,
2077
01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:42.199
then fell over dead. Said that at first he was
2078
01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:44.720
shocked that he killed Becky, and then he really loved her.
2079
01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:47.960
But after his initial shock wore off, he became pretty aroused,
2080
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:49.319
and he took off her clothes and that sex with
2081
01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:52.800
her corpse. It's like Henry's motto in life was, when
2082
01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:56.479
laugh gives you lemons, you just you fuck him. You
2083
01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:59.880
just start fucking him. I highly doubt Henry ever intended
2084
01:31:59.880 --> 01:32:01.560
to bring her back to Jacksonville. I bet he knew
2085
01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:03.439
she was dead the moment they decided to leave that
2086
01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:05.720
church compound. No way he's going to risk her ratting
2087
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:08.159
him out. After he kills her and cuts her up
2088
01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:10.319
into tiny pieces and stuff's to remains into three pillows,
2089
01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:15.560
you know, he you know, leaves them scattered on the field.
2090
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:17.600
He claims that after he killed Becky started hearing her
2091
01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:19.520
voice in his head, just like he used to hear
2092
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:21.800
his mother's voice after he killed her, And just like
2093
01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:24.399
with his mother, Becky's voice taunts him and harasses him.
2094
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.279
It's getting crowded, that crazy old head of his. After
2095
01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:30.000
scattering Becky's remains, Rounie, he washed up as best he can,
2096
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.039
hitchhikes back to the House of Prayer, tells Ruben that
2097
01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:33.720
Becky had just taken out with the truck driver and
2098
01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:36.760
left him, and man, he's so sad about it. Rubin
2099
01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:38.880
believed him enough to offer him time and space to
2100
01:32:38.920 --> 01:32:42.399
recover from his loss. A few weeks later, while he's
2101
01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:46.880
you know, he's all recovered now, nearly blind. Octogenarian or
2102
01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:50.720
octogenarian Kate Rich that eight year old lady Henry had
2103
01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:54.239
forged checks to steal from contacts Henry, always thinking it
2104
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:55.880
was Henry who was the one who had done the stealing.
2105
01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.000
She had stayed in contact with Becky, who she liked,
2106
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:00.159
when her daughters had kicked the two of them out
2107
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:01.560
of her house, but she hadn't heard from Becky in
2108
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:04.359
a few weeks. Wanted to know where Becky was. Henry
2109
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:06.640
told her she left him, and then you know, they'd split,
2110
01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:08.119
and she had and she had more questions.
2111
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:09.319
She didn't believe him.
2112
01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:13.680
She was a little more interrogative than old Reuben was. Finally,
2113
01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:15.359
he agrees to drive Kate to church you know, one
2114
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:17.760
sunny mid September to kind of reassure her talk to
2115
01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:20.520
her more about Becky's disappearance. He takes Ruben's car to
2116
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:22.239
pick her up, and then instead of driving her to church,
2117
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:24.439
he drives her off the highway down an old dirt
2118
01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:26.319
road far away from prying eyes, and then he took
2119
01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:28.319
out a butcher's knife that he brought just for this
2120
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:31.039
occasion and plunged it straight into her chest. He pulled
2121
01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:32.600
her body out of the car before she bled all
2122
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:34.880
over the place, and cut her up, stuffed her remains
2123
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:37.680
into a big drainage pipe running underneath the road. When
2124
01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:39.800
Kate's neighbors found out that both she and Becky had
2125
01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:42.079
gone missing in the same short period of time, and
2126
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:45.279
that both were lasting alive with Henry Lee Lucas, they
2127
01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:49.319
became suspicious in contacted authorities. The local Montague County sheriff.
2128
01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:52.079
Sheriff Conway had no evidence to suggest Becky or Kate
2129
01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:55.359
were dead, but he and Texas ranger Phil Ryan suspected Henry,
2130
01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.760
of course, and brought him in for some questioning. Henry
2131
01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:01.079
denied all knowledge of it, having anything to do with
2132
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:04.239
the disappearance of either woman, and he was released.
2133
01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:05.359
After he passed a polygraph test.
2134
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:07.359
And then the first thing Henry did when he was
2135
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:09.279
released from interrogation was to go back to the drain
2136
01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:11.920
where he stuffed Kate's remains, threw them in a bag,
2137
01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:14.199
brought them back to the House of Prayer compound where
2138
01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:16.640
they had an incinerator, and he reduced what was left
2139
01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:19.000
of Kate Rich to ashes. And then he took off
2140
01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:22.079
from Mexico. At least as we said one time, that's
2141
01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:25.079
what he said. Maybe he took off towards Blacksburg. Maybe
2142
01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:27.800
he stayed close by in Texas. According to Henry, wherever
2143
01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:30.039
he went, he was killing a robin again. And by
2144
01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:31.920
the following spring he'd run out of money, and he
2145
01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.359
called his old Texas preacher, you know, Ruben Moore's old buddy,
2146
01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:36.720
to see if he could get his old place back
2147
01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:39.039
to stay, and Ruben told him, yeah, of course, you know,
2148
01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:41.800
you're always welcome to return. What Ruben didn't tell him
2149
01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.079
was that he had no intention of helping Henry again,
2150
01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:45.920
and that he'd been talking to the police and the
2151
01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:48.199
police were looking for Henry, still suspecting him for the
2152
01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:51.000
murders of Kate Rich and free to Becky Powell. By
2153
01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:53.359
this time, Ruben himself suspected Henry of their desks and
2154
01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:55.199
wanted to see Henry get put behind bars before he
2155
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:58.920
hurt anyone else. Now, before we go further, what about Otis?
2156
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:03.199
Where's old tool time? Where's he been? After leaving Henry,
2157
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:05.399
Lee and Becky Somewhere in Texas in early nineteenty two,
2158
01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:08.319
Otis had a really rough trip back to Jacksonville. He
2159
01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:12.760
started crashing abandoned homes again, and on three separate occasions
2160
01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:15.479
he stepped on the rotten wood of an old porch,
2161
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:19.840
fell through, and sunk a nail into his head and
2162
01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:22.159
didn't go to a doctor anytime.
2163
01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:23.319
Ouch.
2164
01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:27.520
One of those nails penetrated his skull directly between his eyes,
2165
01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:30.720
and it sunk a good six inches into his brain,
2166
01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:32.840
and then he pulled it back at himself with the
2167
01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:35.279
pair of plyers and then jerked off into some fire.
2168
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:36.199
He he burned down the house.
2169
01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:39.359
Of course, I'm kidding. His story is naturally insane. We
2170
01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:41.039
don't need to spice it up with three more nails
2171
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:43.479
to the head wounds. The only thing he talked about
2172
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:45.880
regarding heading back to Jacksonville was nearly being eaten alive
2173
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:47.720
one night by some Ombre's sino ants.
2174
01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:48.399
Just outside of Austin.
2175
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:50.359
He got drunk, passed down in the backyard of the
2176
01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:52.479
vacant house, and when he woke up, thousands of those
2177
01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.520
little deadly bastards were carrying his body back to their
2178
01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:59.159
mound to feed their queen, Queen ombre asino ants or
2179
01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:01.840
fucking terror of fine. While the soldier aunt has three
2180
01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:05.439
inch mandibles, the queen has mandibles up to two feet long,
2181
01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:07.840
and their body can weigh anywhere from two hundred and
2182
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:10.359
fifty to four hundred pounds, and they can be from
2183
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:12.159
six to eight feet long.
2184
01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:15.000
There's ants and up to five feet tall.
2185
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:17.319
And if you've been listening to Suck for a while,
2186
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:19.279
least since the Pedro Lopez suck, you know that I'm
2187
01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:22.560
fucking full of shit right now. Mbersino ants only live
2188
01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:24.760
here in the suck. First, God it, I hope, I
2189
01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:27.720
hope at least one of you just believe, just for
2190
01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:30.800
a second, maybe for two seconds, that there was a
2191
01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:34.680
queen ant out there roughless size of pony.
2192
01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:35.399
Okay for real.
2193
01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:38.000
Now, Otis headed back to Jacksonville, showed up at his
2194
01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:40.119
sister's house, where soon after arriving, the police showed up
2195
01:36:40.279 --> 01:36:42.640
and questioned him about his niece, you know, Freida or
2196
01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:45.840
disappearance or Becky's disappearance. He really didn't know where Henry
2197
01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:47.680
and Becky had gone, but the police didn't believe him,
2198
01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:49.600
and his car was impounded and he was released and
2199
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:52.000
then told not to leave town. And then maybe he
2200
01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:53.920
got some medical treatment for his liver. Maybe not again,
2201
01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:55.960
the stories differ, and for the next year, the now
2202
01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:57.800
thirty five year old Otis went back to his old life.
2203
01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.399
A crash in an abandoned home, Sam's relative, couch surfing,
2204
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:02.800
sending some homes on fire, pride jerking off and coming
2205
01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:04.760
into the flames like a complete fucking psychopath.
2206
01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:06.720
In April of nineteen eighty.
2207
01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:08.880
Three, Oates was brought in on an arson charge for
2208
01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:10.600
torching up one of the homes he stayed in. He
2209
01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:12.920
ended up getting twenty year prison sends just for that crime.
2210
01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:16.520
After being taken into custody and investigated for other Jacksonville arsons,
2211
01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:19.239
he ended up confessing to another fire where a man died,
2212
01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:21.079
where a man was burned to death inside the home
2213
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:24.159
and it was intentional. On January fourth, nineteen eighty Tool
2214
01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:28.520
nineteen eighty Tool nineteen eighty two, Toole had barricaded sixty
2215
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:31.000
four year old George Sonnenberg in a boarding house where
2216
01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:33.199
he was living in Jacksonville and set it on fire.
2217
01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:36.680
Toole signed a confession stated that he and Sonnenberg had
2218
01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:39.520
begun a sexual relationship and after the two had an argument,
2219
01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:43.359
Tool set Sonenberg's home on fire. Otis also ended up
2220
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:46.319
confessing to the murder of nineteen year old Adam Mildred Johnson,
2221
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:49.399
two and a half hours away in Tallahassee. Ato was
2222
01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:51.840
reported missing by her parents on February eighteenth. Theyd last
2223
01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:53.960
seen her on the ninth, and a couple searching for
2224
01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:57.520
firewood in the woods found Ada's body on February twenty seventh.
2225
01:37:58.039 --> 01:37:59.479
She been shot in the back of the head, cut
2226
01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:01.560
with a knife what appeared to be a possible mugging
2227
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:05.119
gone wrong. Okay, So now back to June nineteen eighty three,
2228
01:38:05.520 --> 01:38:07.800
while Toole was awaiting trial for a double homicide in
2229
01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:11.520
Arson Henry shows are two different homicides and Arson Henry
2230
01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:14.000
shows back up at Reuben's compound on the fourteenth after
2231
01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:15.920
letting him crash the night his old shack make him
2232
01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:17.359
feel like he could just pick up right back where
2233
01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:18.239
he left off.
2234
01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:20.159
You know, and be the compound handy man.
2235
01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:23.039
Exchange for a place to say, Pastor moorehead Henry running
2236
01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:24.920
erin for him the following day to a place he'd
2237
01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:29.039
pre arranged with the police, and on June fifteenth, nineteen
2238
01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:32.199
eighty three, Henry L. Lucas drives straight into a police ambush.
2239
01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:35.439
Neither he nor Otis would ever be free men again.
2240
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:38.479
He rolled into town was stopped by Texas Ranger that
2241
01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:40.840
Phil Ryan Fella one of the guise of a routine
2242
01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:42.800
traffic stop. Ryan and local police knew they didn't have
2243
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.119
enough evidence to arrest him for the murder of Kate Ridge.
2244
01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:47.880
They weren't even sure Becky was dead, but they figured
2245
01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:49.840
pulling him over would lead to something they could put
2246
01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:52.119
him behind bars for, and they were right. An inspection
2247
01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:54.960
of the inside of his vehicle revealed an unregistered handgun.
2248
01:38:55.039 --> 01:38:57.079
As a felon, it was illegal for Henry to possess
2249
01:38:57.119 --> 01:39:00.000
such a weapon, and then Ranger Ryan and the police
2250
01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:04.920
may have overlooked a few of Lucas's basic human rights
2251
01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:07.439
when they interrogated him. They did not give him a
2252
01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:10.039
state appointed attorney like he asked for. They grilled him
2253
01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:12.840
about Kate's disappearance for hours, refusing to give him water, food,
2254
01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.359
or cigarettes. They stripped him down to his underwear, threw
2255
01:39:15.439 --> 01:39:17.319
him a cold cell, refused to give him his clothes
2256
01:39:17.359 --> 01:39:19.399
back when he asked for him, and all of this
2257
01:39:19.439 --> 01:39:22.399
would almost cost them their case against him. After hours
2258
01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:25.000
of being interrogated and deprived the cigarettes, basic sustenance, even
2259
01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:28.319
the dignity of wearing clothes, Lucas began to confess under
2260
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:31.399
clear duress, and police began to reward him as he
2261
01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:34.720
confessed with clothes, food, water, coffee, cigarettes, etc. And he
2262
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:37.399
told him everything about Kate's murder. He signed his confession.
2263
01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:39.520
Then he got his lawyer who tried to throw out
2264
01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:42.119
the sign confession, but it didn't do any good because
2265
01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:43.880
Henry just confessed again and again and again.
2266
01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:45.800
And then later when they began pushing him to.
2267
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:48.399
Talk about Becky's appearance, he confessed to her murder as well.
2268
01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:51.159
Bone fragments presumed to be riches were found in a
2269
01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:53.800
stove with the house of prayer. Skeletal remains of the
2270
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.000
same sex and approximate ages Becky were found in the
2271
01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:58.239
field where Lucas claims to have killed her, though the
2272
01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:00.920
coroner would not positively identify them as who they were
2273
01:40:00.920 --> 01:40:04.479
claimed to be. Just days later, Lucas pled guilty to
2274
01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:06.720
the two murders in court and then shocked everyone in
2275
01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:08.640
the court by claiming to have committed over one hundred
2276
01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:12.079
additional murders, saying in court, and I've killed about one
2277
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.439
hundred other women too. Then over the following months, he
2278
01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:18.439
kept pouring out confessions to hundreds and hundreds of murders.
2279
01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:21.279
A Lucas task force led by the Texas Rangers was
2280
01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:24.119
quickly formed to examine the validity of all these claims.
2281
01:40:24.760 --> 01:40:26.760
In November of nineteen eighty three, he was transferred to
2282
01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:29.439
Williamson County, Texas, where he confessed to two hundred and
2283
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:32.760
thirteen unsolved murders and then keep confessing to more after that.
2284
01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:36.279
Why did Lucas confess to so many murders? While it's
2285
01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:39.039
just speculation, most investigators who worked on his case seemed
2286
01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:42.399
to think that, For one, he didn't really mind being incarcerated.
2287
01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:44.800
He liked knowing he wouldn't have to steal or work
2288
01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:46.800
for his next meal. He liked knowing he'd have a
2289
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:47.680
bed to sleep in every night.
2290
01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:48.000
In jail.
2291
01:40:48.039 --> 01:40:49.880
You know, he had amenities like access to TV. He
2292
01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:52.199
could play card games with the other prisoners. He had
2293
01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:55.079
a steady sex life. Again men, not as for as choice,
2294
01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:57.720
but he did seem to be, you know, sexually satisfied
2295
01:40:57.760 --> 01:40:58.479
with them.
2296
01:40:59.199 --> 01:40:59.359
You know.
2297
01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:02.199
Two, he liked the tension the confessions gave him. The
2298
01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:04.239
more murders he confessed to, the more visitors he got.
2299
01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:07.800
Became like a celebrity in the jail, the more attention
2300
01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:10.319
he received from other inmates. He wasn't just another dirt back.
2301
01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:12.399
He was the most prolific serial killer, god damned in
2302
01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:13.159
American history.
2303
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:14.680
Gave him notoriety.
2304
01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:17.600
Three, he was already serving life in prison, So what
2305
01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:20.920
did he care about confessing the more murders. Apparently prosecutors
2306
01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:23.199
tricked him when it came to confessing to murdering Deborah
2307
01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:25.880
orange Sox Jackson. He didn't realize that the death penalty
2308
01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:27.279
was on the table for that confession.
2309
01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:29.079
He got to leave prison.
2310
01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:29.239
You know.
2311
01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:31.119
Another thing, He got to travel around the country, eat
2312
01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:35.039
at nice restaurants, diners, donut shops, donut shops supposed to
2313
01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:37.720
even be given alcohol, and according to one source, a
2314
01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:39.880
source I don't believe, but as part of the Lucas legend.
2315
01:41:40.279 --> 01:41:42.439
One night, he was rewarded for solving a few cases
2316
01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:46.199
with some prostitutes. In December of nineteen eighty three, word
2317
01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:48.520
reaches Tool in Florida that Lucas is getting all kind
2318
01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:51.840
of perks for cooperating with investigators, and Lucas had told
2319
01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:54.239
them that they killed you know, many people together, and
2320
01:41:54.279 --> 01:41:56.079
he and Lucas talk on the phone, and Tool figures
2321
01:41:56.079 --> 01:41:57.800
out real quick that he'll be given the same perks
2322
01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:00.199
if he talks to so he starts confessing.
2323
01:41:59.880 --> 01:42:01.159
To fucking everything.
2324
01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:04.000
Basically, over the next year, these two would confess to
2325
01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:07.560
every case placed in front of them. In early nineteen
2326
01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:10.199
eighty four, some investigators began to really doubt all of
2327
01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:14.159
these claims, right they overdid it. Texas ranger Phil Ryan, again,
2328
01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:15.720
one of the guys who helped arrest him, would later
2329
01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:18.319
report that Lucas became so accustomed to lavish treatment from
2330
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:20.920
law enforcement for cooperating these tudent began to kind of
2331
01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:23.199
think of himself as the boss around this situation. He's like,
2332
01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:26.359
he's running this operation. Starts to dictate orders to other
2333
01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:27.760
rangers who often obey them.
2334
01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.000
He's loving this attention. All going to his head.
2335
01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:33.319
Ryan reported he became concerned about the veracity of most
2336
01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:37.199
of Lucas's confessions, feeling confident in the accuracy of only
2337
01:42:37.279 --> 01:42:40.800
two right Kate Rich and Becky. Further stated to the
2338
01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:43.920
Houston Chronicle that I wouldn't bet a paycheck on any
2339
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:48.199
of the others. Ryan started inventing utterly fictional crimes to
2340
01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:52.399
which Lucas would generally confess involvement, a tactic also employed
2341
01:42:52.439 --> 01:42:54.840
in nineteen eighty four by Dallas detective lynd To Irwin.
2342
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:58.000
Erwin interviewed Lucas after he confessed to thirteen murders in
2343
01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:01.199
Houston alone. Ern reports that when I heard it got
2344
01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:03.840
to be hundreds and hundreds of confessions, it was unbelievable
2345
01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:07.079
to me. Irwin further reported that, like Ryan, she assembled
2346
01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:10.680
an utterly fictional crime, saying, I fabricated the case using
2347
01:43:10.760 --> 01:43:14.319
random photographs, some old murders long since solved, and details
2348
01:43:14.359 --> 01:43:17.840
pulled from my imagination. He claimed credit for the phony crime,
2349
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:21.520
and his confession, containing facts that I'd dribbled out to him,
2350
01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:26.039
probably could have convinced a jury to convict him. Ryan
2351
01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:28.319
reports the manner which Lucas typically confessed to a number
2352
01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:31.800
of unsolved murders. If a police agency suspected Lucas, and
2353
01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:35.000
if Lucas admitted involvement, and his total of some three
2354
01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:39.640
thousand confessions suggested he rarely denied involvement, they would send
2355
01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:43.000
the Lucas Task Force a case file with information pertaining
2356
01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.039
to the unsolved crime, and that Lucas would be questioned
2357
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:47.239
at length and sometimes be allowed to read the police
2358
01:43:47.239 --> 01:43:50.159
reports in advance, so he could learn a number of
2359
01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:53.520
details previously unknown or known only to the police, and
2360
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:56.119
then he would just use those details to weave a
2361
01:43:56.119 --> 01:43:59.720
confession together. In nineteen eighty five, and they're doing it,
2362
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:01.640
I guess their motivation, Like they're doing it from just
2363
01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:04.399
a you know, bureaucratic way of like, ah, we're probably
2364
01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:05.479
not going to fucking solve these murders.
2365
01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:07.920
It'll make people happy. Who cares. This guy's already in prison.
2366
01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:09.159
Let's just fuck get him off the books.
2367
01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:11.079
Not saying that you should do that, but I get
2368
01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:12.680
their motivation, like they get to look like heroes. They
2369
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:14.560
probably got fucking promotions and all kinds of stuff for
2370
01:44:14.600 --> 01:44:17.600
clearing all these crimes. In nine seventy five, at Dallas
2371
01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:19.880
Newspaper publishes an article about how Henry would have to
2372
01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:23.239
have driven eleven thousand miles in just one month to
2373
01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:26.119
commit the murders he claimed he had committed in that month.
2374
01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:30.000
The FBI became doubtful about Henry's claims. In an interview
2375
01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:31.600
with the Houston Agent, he was asked if he had
2376
01:44:31.640 --> 01:44:35.680
helped commit murders in Guyana, as in the Jonestown Master murders,
2377
01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:38.680
and Henry said, oh, hell, yeah, sure he did. And
2378
01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:40.239
then he said he couldn't remember if Diana was in
2379
01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:43.720
Louisiana or Texas. Guyana of courses in Is, thousands of
2380
01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:46.359
miles away, Central America, where cult leader and sucks subject
2381
01:44:46.399 --> 01:44:48.279
Jim Jones persuaded one hundreds of his followers to commit
2382
01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:52.279
suicide right at the Jonestown settlement. At one point Otis
2383
01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:56.159
and Henry would complain that or would confess that they
2384
01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:58.920
actually supplied Jim Jones with the poison he used. They've
2385
01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:01.119
just fucking anything anything, all they would say, yeah, yeah,
2386
01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:03.960
huh more. Journalists started to dig into the various claims
2387
01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:07.560
of Lucas and they found, you know, records of Henry's employment,
2388
01:45:07.560 --> 01:45:09.720
credit card receipts, other evidence that would established that most
2389
01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:11.439
of his confessions for bullshit. He couldn't have been in
2390
01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:14.279
the place that he said he was. Investigators quickly came
2391
01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:15.840
to the same conclusions about Otis Tool.
2392
01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:16.920
The two of them.
2393
01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:19.000
Didn't help themselves by talking to each other on the
2394
01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:21.359
phone more and more, coming up with more outrageous lies together,
2395
01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:24.439
like that secret Satanic society called the Hands of Death
2396
01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:27.439
recruiting them, ordering them to kill on their behalf. They
2397
01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:29.600
claimed that other serial killers were part of the Hands
2398
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:31.560
of Death, like Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy was a member
2399
01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:33.840
of this group. Then they claimed that they killed a
2400
01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:35.479
lot of the victims that Bundy supposed they went to
2401
01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:37.319
jail four or he killed.
2402
01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:38.840
They're fucking killing everybody.
2403
01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:41.880
They claimed they participated in black market snuff films for
2404
01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.319
the Hands of Death. They fucking they killed Jimmy Haffa.
2405
01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:47.039
They claimed to have kill Jimmy Haffa. And then Otis
2406
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:49.079
started making claims like he ate some of his victims.
2407
01:45:49.079 --> 01:45:50.439
You know, Henry would say, n I didn't like to
2408
01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:52.399
eat him. He didn't like the way that the barbecue
2409
01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:54.039
sauce the Otis was using. There's all these kind of
2410
01:45:54.079 --> 01:45:56.520
weird barbecue sauce means about Otis Tool, I don't I
2411
01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:58.479
don't think actually probably ate anybody, but he would claim
2412
01:45:58.520 --> 01:45:59.920
that nothing backs that up.
2413
01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:03.319
They just like wanted to shock and become whatever. People
2414
01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:05.680
led them whatever path, investigators led them down, like did
2415
01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:08.439
you actually eat people? Oh yeah, oh yeah. A lot
2416
01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:10.119
of people like they would just go with whatever.
2417
01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:12.560
In response to these claims to reports of the Lucas
2418
01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:16.520
Task Force questionable investigative methodology, the Texas Attorney General's office
2419
01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:19.680
issued a study sometimes called the Lucas Report in nineteen
2420
01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:22.439
eighty six. The bulk of the Lucas Report was devoted
2421
01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:25.560
to a detailed timeline of Lucas's claim murders. The report
2422
01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:29.279
compared Lucas's claims to reliable, verifiable sources for Lucas's whereabouts,
2423
01:46:29.439 --> 01:46:33.359
and the results often contradicted his confessions. Texas Attorney General Gym.
2424
01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:36.520
Maddox wrote that when Lucas was confessing to hundreds of murders,
2425
01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:39.640
those with custody of Lucas did nothing to bring an
2426
01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:40.399
end to this hoax.
2427
01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:43.319
I'm sure some rangers lost their jobs over this, he said.
2428
01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:45.239
And we have found information that would lead us to
2429
01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:47.840
believe that some officials cleared cases just to get them
2430
01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:51.119
off the books. Here are a few examples of crimes
2431
01:46:51.239 --> 01:46:54.600
Lucas task Force ruled close based on Lucas's confessions when
2432
01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:57.960
strong evidence has been cited, including Lucas being far from
2433
01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.920
the scene of the crime. Lucas can the August tenth,
2434
01:47:01.039 --> 01:47:04.159
nineteen seventy seven murder of Kirby Reeves in Smith County, Texas,
2435
01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:07.279
when payroll records indicated that Lucas was working a full
2436
01:47:07.319 --> 01:47:11.640
shift that day at the Klen Mushroom Company in Kaitlyn, Pennsylvania.
2437
01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:14.359
Lucas confessed to the March twentieth, nineteen seventy nine murder
2438
01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:17.720
of Elaine Tallet in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Medical records indicate he
2439
01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:20.359
was in the hospital that day in Bluefield, West Virginia.
2440
01:47:20.439 --> 01:47:22.079
So that's kind of hard to pull off. Maybe he
2441
01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:24.479
was a fucking teleporter, maybe, like some people believe that
2442
01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:27.520
sasquatch can like fucking teleport in and out. Maybe maybe, uh,
2443
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:31.479
you know, Henry Lee Lucas is bigfoot. Chris Piazza, then
2444
01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:33.880
a prosecutor in Little Rock, Arkansas, road of a specific
2445
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:36.800
nineteen eighty one robbery murder case in which Lucas claimed involvement,
2446
01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:40.119
that the testimony of Henry Lee Lucas is dubious to
2447
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:44.640
say the least, and that Lucas's testimony was inaccurate in
2448
01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:49.239
nearly every detail. So now no more field trips special
2449
01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:51.920
perks for Tool and Lucas. The Dog and Pony Show
2450
01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:54.920
is over. On September fifteenth, nineteen ninety six, at the
2451
01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:56.960
age of forty nine, Otis Tool would die in his
2452
01:47:57.079 --> 01:47:59.640
prison cell from liver failure. He was buried in the
2453
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:02.359
prisons cemetery. No one claimed his body. He ended up
2454
01:48:02.359 --> 01:48:05.039
being charged with six murders, the arson killing, the murder
2455
01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:07.600
of nineteen year old Ada Mildred Johnson, and four others.
2456
01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.880
On March twelfth, two thousand and one, at eleven pm,
2457
01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:13.680
Lucas was found dead in prison from heartfailure.
2458
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:14.520
He was sixty four.
2459
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:17.840
He was buried at Captain Joe Byrd Cemetery in Huntsfield, Texas.
2460
01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:20.960
As of twenty twelve, Lucas's grave is unmarked due to
2461
01:48:21.079 --> 01:48:24.359
vandalism and theft. Otis would end up being convicted of
2462
01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:27.279
I'm sorry. Lucas would end up being convicted of twelve murders,
2463
01:48:27.439 --> 01:48:31.239
but only three his mother, kave Rich and Becky Powell
2464
01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:34.720
seemed definitively tied to him. The other nine murders. He
2465
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:38.039
received life or lengthy prison sentences. Four were Deborah orange
2466
01:48:38.079 --> 01:48:40.720
Sox Jackson. We know now he didn't kill her. Lynda Phillips,
2467
01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:42.960
twenty six year old teacher from Coaffman County, Texas, stab
2468
01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:44.359
to death on August nineteen seventy.
2469
01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:45.279
Clemy E.
2470
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:48.439
Curtis police officer from cabl County, West Virginia, shot in
2471
01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:51.880
August of seventy six. Lily Pearl Darty, eighteen, raped and
2472
01:48:51.880 --> 01:48:55.880
shot in Harrison County, Texas. November seventy seven, Diana Bryant
2473
01:48:55.920 --> 01:49:00.399
strangled to deaths in Brownfield, Texas. Glenna Biggers x six
2474
01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:02.439
year old woman's stab with the fourteen inch knife, three
2475
01:49:02.439 --> 01:49:06.199
prong fork in Hale County, Texas, December eighty two. And
2476
01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:09.159
then identified female raped and strangled in Montgomery County, Texas
2477
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:14.039
sometime before March seventeenth, nineteen eighty three. And Laura Jene Domez,
2478
01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:18.359
sixteen year old, beatn and strangled Montgomery County, Texas, April thirteenth,
2479
01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:22.039
nineteen eighty three. And that all takes us out of
2480
01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:25.199
this big ol'd wopp in Texas. Tale of a time,
2481
01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:28.119
sug timeline.
2482
01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:30.119
Good job, soldier, you've made it.
2483
01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:32.079
Back then.
2484
01:49:38.119 --> 01:49:40.800
So what a weird story, right, I mean, most of
2485
01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:42.880
what you heard today might be true, or maybe very
2486
01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:45.319
little of it. I can't think of any other killers
2487
01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:48.279
who confess to crimes, A lot of crimes they for
2488
01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:51.640
sure didn't commit. What a strange game they played. Both
2489
01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:53.680
of them seem to have had the you know, two
2490
01:49:53.720 --> 01:49:55.520
of the worst childhoods ever, But can you even trust
2491
01:49:55.520 --> 01:49:58.640
that to be true? They feel like real life Boogeyman.
2492
01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:01.159
To me, their story feels a almost more like a
2493
01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:04.800
horror folklore than reality, Like who the fuck were these guys?
2494
01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:05.640
Will never really know?
2495
01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:08.640
Monsters who did God's knows, God knows what, Monsters who
2496
01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:10.560
like to trick as much as they like to harm.
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01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:12.880
I watched prison interviews with both of them, and what's
2498
01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:16.000
really disturbing is how much they both relished the attention
2499
01:50:16.479 --> 01:50:19.159
of people thinking that they were very prolific serial killers.
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01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:21.680
I mean, I mean, that's fucked up whether they did
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01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:25.319
it or not. Either way, they both clearly loved being infamous.
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01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:28.000
They loved the attention even though the attention was given
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01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:29.800
to them because people believed they were some of the
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01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:33.279
biggest pieces of shit that ever lived, and that desire
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01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:36.359
for any kind of fame feels very relevant to me.
2506
01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:38.920
In today's culture, you know, like a fair amount of
2507
01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:41.000
reality TV stars social media stars seemed to just want
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01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:43.520
to be famous and not care why they're famous. Like
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01:50:43.560 --> 01:50:45.239
you hear kids now, I know as a parent, you
2510
01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:48.159
know your kids now talk about how many youtubes subscribers are,
2511
01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:51.520
Instagram followers somebody has, And sometimes it seems like these
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01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:54.560
kids I talk to like these people only because they
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01:50:54.560 --> 01:50:56.800
have so many followers, only because they're quote unquote famous.
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01:50:57.079 --> 01:50:59.319
They think it's cool how famous they are, but they
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01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:01.960
don't really seem to care about what they actually did
2516
01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:06.119
to become famous. How strange right to admire someone just
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01:51:06.159 --> 01:51:08.920
because they're popular, as opposed to admiring them for their
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01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:12.600
artistic talent or inspirational story point of view or you
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01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:15.600
know whatever, something like that. I like the artists I
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01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:17.680
like regardless of who else likes them. I like some
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01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:19.840
artists that are very popular, and I like some artists
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01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:21.319
that almost fucking nobody knows.
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01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:21.960
You know.
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01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:23.960
I've always liked to think for myself to the point
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01:51:23.960 --> 01:51:25.720
that I truly understand why you would want to live
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01:51:25.760 --> 01:51:27.920
any other way. Like, now, why do you like sewing?
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01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:29.800
So if you have fifty million subscribers are famous.
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01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:32.560
Who gives a fuck? Don't be a sheep. Follow your
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01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:33.039
own interest.
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01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:34.800
Life is short, don't waste it fall in a pack
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01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:36.359
you're not even sure you want to be a part of.
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01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:39.439
Examine your own interests. You'll lead a much more authentic
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01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:42.680
and rewarding life. And you can say, hey, hey, you
2534
01:51:42.840 --> 01:51:44.800
are perpetuating the fame of these two dirt bags by
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01:51:44.840 --> 01:51:48.800
talking about him. Now hipocrit alert kind of, but not exactly.
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01:51:49.119 --> 01:51:52.319
I'm spreading knowledge about these dirt bags. I'm not glorifying them, right,
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01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:54.199
And I never pretend they're not monsters.
2538
01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:55.640
I never think they're cool.
2539
01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:57.920
Also, make it clear, you know, like, fuck these guys
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01:51:58.239 --> 01:51:59.520
if they were still alive and somehow for I woul
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01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:02.119
and piss on them if they're on fire. Some people
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01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:06.039
call themselves fans fans of true crime. I am not
2543
01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:08.840
a true crime fan. I'm not a fan of any
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01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:11.479
of these criminals. I think they're all pieces of shit.
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01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:14.960
I'm curious about them. I'm curious as to what type
2546
01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:17.640
of childhoods helped create these monsters. I'm curious about why
2547
01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:19.399
they behave like they did, how someone could go that
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01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:21.279
far off the rails, but not a fan.
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01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:24.199
Sometimes people ask you know, who's your favorite serial killer?
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01:52:24.239 --> 01:52:26.119
None of them. None of them are my favorite. I
2551
01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:28.399
don't have a favorite because they're fucking terrible, all of them.
2552
01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:31.079
I have someone I'm very fascinated by, but that's it.
2553
01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:33.439
I would rather put bullets in the heads of monsters
2554
01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:35.319
like these guys if they were still life, then get
2555
01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:36.520
an autograph.
2556
01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:37.680
From any of them. Like, fuck these guys.
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01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.600
I'm a fan of Da Vinci. I'm fan of Harriet Tubman.
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01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:42.479
I'm a fan of Martin Luther King. I'm a fan
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01:52:42.479 --> 01:52:46.239
of Elliott Roosevelt. You know, if I say Elliott eleanor
2560
01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:48.439
you know what I'm talking about, maybe there's a person
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01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:50.520
out there named Eliot Roosevelt. Fucking I should have just
2562
01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:52.560
left that and bean like, I like fucking Elliott Roosevelt,
2563
01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:54.399
and you'd be doing googles to who the fuck is
2564
01:52:54.399 --> 01:52:57.760
Elliott Roosevelt. A great person, he's a great artist. Now,
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01:52:57.760 --> 01:52:59.239
I'm a fan of JFK. You know, people who did
2566
01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:01.640
an incredit amount of good stuff. I'm inspired by their lives.
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01:53:02.600 --> 01:53:05.600
I'm just macobblely interested in the lives of these asshles,
2568
01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:07.960
And I'd be totally honest. I love making fun of them.
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01:53:08.079 --> 01:53:11.279
I love it. I enjoy the hell out of telling
2570
01:53:11.359 --> 01:53:13.439
dark jokes at the expense of these dark minded folks.
2571
01:53:13.439 --> 01:53:14.640
And I feel like there's almost no limits to the
2572
01:53:14.680 --> 01:53:16.800
jokes because they're so fucking horrible. I mean, come on,
2573
01:53:17.399 --> 01:53:20.560
seth Cox, scurry telling you might be a killer jokes
2574
01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:23.640
that's fun, right, come on, that's dark fun. Why am
2575
01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:25.159
I comedically amused by their dark tails?
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01:53:25.159 --> 01:53:26.119
I don't fucking know. I don't know.
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01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:28.119
I probably need a therapist tell me that. Maybe because
2578
01:53:28.119 --> 01:53:29.560
it makes me feel better but my own life to
2579
01:53:29.560 --> 01:53:31.239
look at theirs. I make plenty of mistakes, but I've
2580
01:53:31.279 --> 01:53:33.640
never choked out anyone. I've never raped anyone, never kill
2581
01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:35.720
my mom. Is that one of the reasons some of us,
2582
01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:37.000
you know, or many of us or most of us
2583
01:53:37.039 --> 01:53:38.359
like these stories? That part of it to make us
2584
01:53:38.359 --> 01:53:41.399
feel better about ourselves. I hope you feel better about
2585
01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.800
yourself right now. I hope you didn't listen to this
2586
01:53:43.840 --> 01:53:45.279
suck and think how wow.
2587
01:53:45.439 --> 01:53:46.000
I peace.
2588
01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:48.279
I'd hate to think. I hate to hear what Dan
2589
01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:52.239
thinks of me. I have done way more bad shits
2590
01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:56.000
than those two amateurs. And now I'm babbling. Let's get
2591
01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:59.920
out here, Let's wrap it up with today's Top five takeaways.
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Top five Takeaway Number one Henry Lee Lucas had one
2593
01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:09.359
friend growing up when he's growing up in a dirt
2594
01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:12.119
floor cabin in Blacksburg, Virginia, and that friend was a mule,
2595
01:54:12.640 --> 01:54:16.560
and his mom shot that friend in the fucking face.
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01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:21.920
If you had only one friend growing up and your
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01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:25.880
mama shot that friend in the face with a shotgun
2598
01:54:26.199 --> 01:54:28.439
in front of you, you.
2599
01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:29.199
Might be a killer.
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01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:32.760
Number two Henry Le Lucas claimed to have killed hundreds
2601
01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:34.840
of people, he would only be convicted of twelve murders.
2602
01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:38.119
Outside of his confessions, actual evidence only links him to
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01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:41.960
three murders, his mama, his teen lover Becky, and eighty
2604
01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:45.760
year old one time employer Kate Rich. Number three Otis
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01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:48.000
Toole spent his teenage years working as a prostitute and
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01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:52.840
getting boners burning down abandoned homes in Jacksonville, Florida. If
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01:54:52.920 --> 01:54:57.000
you sold your literal ass for cash when you should
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01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:01.800
have been attending high school freshman or and your main
2609
01:55:01.880 --> 01:55:05.720
turn on is burning a building to the ground.
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01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:08.680
You might be a killer. Number four.
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01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:11.560
Despite their infamy, despite all the time they spent traveled
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01:55:11.560 --> 01:55:13.880
around together, there's no hard evidence linkling the duo of
2613
01:55:13.880 --> 01:55:17.439
Henry Lucas Otis tool to a single murder committed together.
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01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:21.000
Found that interesting number five new infos. Despite all my
2615
01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:23.840
talk about the murders they probably did not commit. There's
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01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:27.600
one very, very famous homicide that I've not mentioned that
2617
01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:30.640
many think to this day that Otis Tooles did commit.
2618
01:55:31.319 --> 01:55:33.960
In twenty eight, twenty seven years after the nineteen eighty
2619
01:55:33.960 --> 01:55:37.760
one murder of Adam Walsh. Twelve years after Otis's death,
2620
01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:41.920
authorities officially named tool as the likely killer. If you
2621
01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:44.800
don't recall, Adam Walsh was a son of John Walsh,
2622
01:55:44.920 --> 01:55:47.399
and his death and not knowing who killed his son
2623
01:55:47.479 --> 01:55:50.479
inspired John to help bring closure to other families, help
2624
01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:52.560
bring other criminals to justice, and he went on to
2625
01:55:52.600 --> 01:55:55.880
create and then host the most famous and effective crime
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01:55:55.920 --> 01:55:58.039
show ever, America's Most Wanted.
2627
01:55:58.680 --> 01:55:59.680
Otis Toole Is.
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01:55:59.600 --> 01:56:01.880
Believed to have killed the kid that led to the
2629
01:56:01.920 --> 01:56:04.880
creation of a show that has caught more felons than
2630
01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:07.840
any other show. Over his twenty three year run, America's
2631
01:56:07.880 --> 01:56:10.720
Most Wanted led to the arrests of one thy one
2632
01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:14.079
and fifty four people by various law enforcement agencies. Tons
2633
01:56:14.119 --> 01:56:17.920
of murderers put behind bars, seventeen of the FBI's most
2634
01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:20.640
wanted criminals caught in like the top ten most one
2635
01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:23.880
due to this show. Toole claimed to have picked Walsh
2636
01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:26.159
up in a Seares Mall parking lot in Hollywood, Florida,
2637
01:56:26.600 --> 01:56:29.520
on July twenty seventh, nine sinety one. Toole said he
2638
01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:32.000
offered little kid candy and toys, and that Walsh came willingly.
2639
01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:35.680
Walsh soon wanted to go home, began crying Toole, City
2640
01:56:35.720 --> 01:56:38.439
then punched him in the face. Wall started crying more,
2641
01:56:38.439 --> 01:56:41.079
and according to Toole, he began to wallop Walsh, knocking
2642
01:56:41.159 --> 01:56:41.600
him out.
2643
01:56:41.840 --> 01:56:43.000
Tool eventually pulled.
2644
01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:45.960
Over in a rural area and decapitated the young boy
2645
01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:48.600
with a machete. He drove around for several days with
2646
01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:51.000
Walsh's head in the car, forgot about it, and upon
2647
01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:54.319
rediscovering it, tossed it into a nearby canal. Police send
2648
01:56:54.640 --> 01:56:58.439
inexplicably lost Tools impounded car when they later would pick
2649
01:56:58.520 --> 01:57:00.920
him up for arson and everything, and his blood stained
2650
01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:05.039
carpeting hindering their ability to precede the investigation. Tool would
2651
01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:07.159
confess his crime in nineteen eighty three and then recant
2652
01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:09.960
his confession. But John Walsh, who devoted the majority of
2653
01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:13.479
his adult life to capturing criminals continued to believe that
2654
01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:17.239
Otis did it, and Walsh knew all about Toole's false confessions,
2655
01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:21.000
and no one knew more about his son's case than John.
2656
01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:24.279
And if Toole committed that murder, who knows how many
2657
01:57:24.319 --> 01:57:26.000
of his other claims might have been true?
2658
01:57:26.520 --> 01:57:26.680
Right?
2659
01:57:26.720 --> 01:57:28.680
Well, many of his and Henry's claims were shot down.
2660
01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:31.720
There is still technically a chance that they committed hunters
2661
01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:34.359
of murders, right And a lot of those murders are
2662
01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:36.279
still unsolved. If they didn't, in fact, to him and
2663
01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:38.159
a lot of those murders, they may have been there,
2664
01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:42.720
their murderous mystery will probably continue forever.
2665
01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:50.199
Time Shuck Top five take away. The confession killer sucked.
2666
01:57:50.920 --> 01:57:53.680
Interesting tale, right, What a tough suck that was trying
2667
01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:56.039
to figure out even solid sources like Newsweek, Time, New
2668
01:57:56.119 --> 01:57:58.920
York Times, variety of established Texas newspapers like the Houston
2669
01:57:58.960 --> 01:58:00.720
Chronicle would conn predict one another.
2670
01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:03.199
It's ridiculous when you dig into this, it's like.
2671
01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:05.720
It's like there's not a single timeline or anything that
2672
01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:07.159
has the dates that are the same or the names
2673
01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:09.520
that it's fucking crazy. And it's not because the sources
2674
01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:11.640
were doing a bad job. No, it's because those two
2675
01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:15.159
dickheads kept changing their story interview after interview. They would
2676
01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:18.640
just give different dates, different names, different places for what
2677
01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:21.640
they were doing. What they did drove me fucking crazy
2678
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:24.000
trying to put it all together, and I couldn't figure
2679
01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:25.439
out if they were just like, you know, kind of
2680
01:58:25.439 --> 01:58:27.800
like criminal mastermind, just fucking with people, or just too
2681
01:58:27.880 --> 01:58:29.000
dumb to remember their lives.
2682
01:58:30.159 --> 01:58:31.119
But I did get to.
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Crack myself up with all the stuff cock scurry jock, So.
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I hope that was worth it. I hope you enjoyed them.
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Thanks to the Time Stuck Teams.
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Thanks to Queen of the Suck Lindsay Commens, High Priests
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of the Suck, Harmony Bell at Camp, Reverend Doctor Joe
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the final bit of test. I know I've been saying that,
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but we're you've just got one problem. There's literally one
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last problem that we're trying to fix so that it
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And whistles without being like, God, damn, fuck this thing.
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Because it's great thanks to Access Apparel script keeper Zach Flannery.
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Next week, we suck Mormonism. Oh it sucks some Mormons.
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You can't wait to fucking suck them so hard. Scrap
2698
01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:17.119
ahold of that Mormon knowledge, you know, put it on
2699
01:59:17.199 --> 01:59:20.840
my fucking mouth and wrap my lips around it. We
2700
01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:22.520
dig into the history of the Church Latter day Saints.
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01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:24.479
How do they get to you, dah, What do they believe?
2702
01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:26.800
How did their religion form? Who's Joseph Smith? Who is
2703
01:59:26.800 --> 01:59:30.119
bringing me young? What is the f DLS? How does
2704
01:59:30.119 --> 01:59:32.880
it differentiate between you know, any differentiate between the fls
2705
01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:35.199
and lds? Who's Warren Jeff's Why is he in prison?
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01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:37.199
Right now? It's gonna be fascinating.
2707
01:59:37.239 --> 01:59:39.920
The Mormons have a very fascinating history, fascinating beliefs, and
2708
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:42.520
I don't think many non Mormons know much about him,
2709
01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:46.479
but we will soon if you listen, cannot wait, Hail
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Nimrod Uh time now for time Sucker updates, and again
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stick around for that new Moreta track at the very
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end of the show.
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Updates.
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Get your Time Sucker update.
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Today's first update is you know, just cool shit. I
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love a variety of perspectives. I'm not religious, but I
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love hearing from religious suckers. This message comes in from
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cool ass Christian sucker Jacob Good, who is good, who
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02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:16.279
writes to whom it may suck. I just want to
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02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:18.640
say a few things. One, I'm a devout Christian college student,
2721
02:00:18.960 --> 02:00:21.720
and I'm shocked at how similar some of our experiences are.
2722
02:00:22.199 --> 02:00:23.760
I was kicked out of my youth group for asking
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02:00:23.840 --> 02:00:26.159
questions and pointed about the hypocrisy in the church as well.
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02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:29.199
Or in the church as well, a group that claims
2725
02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:31.479
to be centered around love and forgiveness sure seems to
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02:00:31.520 --> 02:00:34.079
have an agenda similar to that of the Flat Earth widows,
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and that there is a huge lack of thinking for
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02:00:36.479 --> 02:00:39.760
oneself and general decency. Sucks to hear that you were
2729
02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:42.920
treated poorly by religious fundamentalists. My motto is, don't be
2730
02:00:42.960 --> 02:00:45.359
a jerk for Jesus, and I agree with you on
2731
02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:45.800
so much.
2732
02:00:46.079 --> 02:00:47.439
I'm not bashing my own beliefs.
2733
02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:49.279
I just want you to know that I recognize and
2734
02:00:49.319 --> 02:00:51.199
agree with most of your thoughts on organized religion.
2735
02:00:51.359 --> 02:00:52.960
People need to learn and think for themselves.
2736
02:00:53.520 --> 02:00:56.880
Second, I just listened to the Westboro Baptist Church episode,
2737
02:00:57.000 --> 02:00:59.000
and boy did that work me up. My dad is
2738
02:00:59.039 --> 02:01:01.560
a marine, and the more I learned about them, the
2739
02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:05.640
more I worked up in absolute rage. Anyways, this is
2740
02:01:05.640 --> 02:01:08.399
the email I sent into the church email address after
2741
02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:11.880
listening to that suck. The Bible says that greater love
2742
02:01:12.159 --> 02:01:15.039
has no man than this, than he who lays down
2743
02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.000
his life for his friend. However, you'd probably say that
2744
02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:20.800
those texts were added to deceive us. My father has
2745
02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:22.840
served his country for over thirty years as the United
2746
02:01:22.880 --> 02:01:26.159
States Marine. He has fought alongside men with the fortitude
2747
02:01:26.159 --> 02:01:29.920
and courage that you wouldn't believe. He has seen friends, mentors,
2748
02:01:29.960 --> 02:01:33.399
sons and daughters throw themselves into harm's way to save others.
2749
02:01:33.720 --> 02:01:35.520
My father has been a man to jump in front
2750
02:01:35.560 --> 02:01:38.479
of bullets to save others. He has received the Purple
2751
02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:42.199
Heart for his incredible bravery, and he deserves so much more.
2752
02:01:42.680 --> 02:01:44.560
He is the bravest man I know. And the fact
2753
02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:47.439
that you cower here in America, where you have the
2754
02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:51.600
privilege of free speech, and you use that privilege to
2755
02:01:51.680 --> 02:01:56.239
press your oppressive, ignorant, inbred hate speech regarding homosexuals and
2756
02:01:56.279 --> 02:02:00.520
the armed forces, it is truly abominable. As is, this
2757
02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:03.800
makes me Jesus does love you don't ask me how
2758
02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:06.560
or why, but he does. And I hope and pray
2759
02:02:06.680 --> 02:02:09.520
you realize you don't reflect the reason He died for us,
2760
02:02:09.760 --> 02:02:13.199
and you see the hurt that you cause. Also, the
2761
02:02:13.319 --> 02:02:16.000
single out of context versus you pull from the word
2762
02:02:16.039 --> 02:02:19.640
of God to fuel your horrible propaganda is deceitful on
2763
02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:23.039
a level I have never seen. Hate is easy to give.
2764
02:02:23.479 --> 02:02:27.239
Love is a choice we make. Love makes us human.
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02:02:28.000 --> 02:02:31.439
And he says, anyways, you're welcome. That was fucking beautiful. Anyways,
2766
02:02:31.479 --> 02:02:33.600
You're welcome for this novel of an email. I'm passionate
2767
02:02:33.640 --> 02:02:35.119
and I love your stuff. Keep up the good work.
2768
02:02:35.159 --> 02:02:37.279
Don't worry about me being a Christian. I'll be that
2769
02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:39.600
great Christian friend who never tries to convert you, knowing
2770
02:02:39.680 --> 02:02:42.000
full well I know where I'm going and the fire
2771
02:02:42.079 --> 02:02:47.079
letters do you? Halho Jangles, San Diego, California. Man, Thank you,
2772
02:02:47.640 --> 02:02:50.199
mister good. First of all, thanks you for being such
2773
02:02:50.199 --> 02:02:52.359
a cool son to your dad. Thank your dad for
2774
02:02:52.359 --> 02:02:52.840
his service.
2775
02:02:52.880 --> 02:02:54.479
Man. I love how much you love your dad.
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02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:56.920
And you also seem to be a wonderful Christian and
2777
02:02:56.920 --> 02:02:58.680
a wonderful mean's like and I apologize for making you
2778
02:02:58.720 --> 02:03:00.520
feel that you needed to write, don't worry about me
2779
02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:04.039
being a Christian. I admittedly get too judging about religion
2780
02:03:04.039 --> 02:03:05.199
all the time, and I need to be putting my
2781
02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:08.000
fucking place and I'm working on it. I work on it,
2782
02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:10.399
and I love you guys are helping me work on it.
2783
02:03:11.000 --> 02:03:14.520
Just know that I know that me not believing in
2784
02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:17.359
religion doesn't mean that I think that I'm right, because
2785
02:03:17.359 --> 02:03:19.640
I don't. I think I don't know, and that's very
2786
02:03:19.680 --> 02:03:21.840
different than thinking I'm right. I think there's a chance
2787
02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:24.680
Christians could absolutely be right right. I forget that some days,
2788
02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:26.760
but I do know it to be true. I haven't
2789
02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:28.880
been dead, you know. I haven't explored the other side.
2790
02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:30.840
I haven't come back to report. What the fuck do
2791
02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:34.279
I know? Not much nothing about the other side. I
2792
02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:37.199
don't know anything. I love your faith gives you comfort,
2793
02:03:37.239 --> 02:03:40.039
I really do. Thank your dad for his service to me.
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02:03:40.079 --> 02:03:42.600
A game man, keep being my Christian friend, and just
2795
02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:45.960
keeping on a beautiful bastard. Thank you for that update.
2796
02:03:46.520 --> 02:03:49.560
Now for a vaccination update from doctor Heather, who writes
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02:03:50.279 --> 02:03:51.960
High King of the Suck and the Whole Time Sook Team.
2798
02:03:52.000 --> 02:03:54.560
I'm a pediatrician and just listen to the anti vaccination suck.
2799
02:03:54.880 --> 02:03:56.680
I just want to say, bravo. You did an amazing
2800
02:03:56.720 --> 02:04:00.239
job covering how vaccines work, including some immunology which is
2801
02:04:00.359 --> 02:04:03.359
very complex, the history of vaccines, and why vaccines are
2802
02:04:03.359 --> 02:04:05.720
safe and save lives. I appreciate you covering this topic
2803
02:04:05.760 --> 02:04:07.880
because we need to be more vocal and louder than
2804
02:04:07.920 --> 02:04:11.159
the anti vaccination faction so that the truth about vaccines
2805
02:04:11.199 --> 02:04:13.960
can be heard. Ultimately, parents are concerned about their kids,
2806
02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:16.560
but sometimes misinformed and misguided. I spend so much time
2807
02:04:16.600 --> 02:04:17.920
discussing the safety of vaccines on.
2808
02:04:17.920 --> 02:04:18.680
A daily basis.
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02:04:19.079 --> 02:04:23.720
Moving forward, I always refer my patients to your time suck.
2810
02:04:25.039 --> 02:04:25.640
Patients, I e.
2811
02:04:25.800 --> 02:04:28.199
Parents, Yeah, thank you to your time suck and it
2812
02:04:28.239 --> 02:04:30.960
will save me loads of times. Ha keep on sucking,
2813
02:04:31.159 --> 02:04:33.880
doctor Heather, Well, hell niver on doctor Heather and uh,
2814
02:04:33.920 --> 02:04:35.680
you know what, be careful, Be careful which patients you
2815
02:04:35.680 --> 02:04:38.359
share this suck with. I want to spread the suck well.
2816
02:04:38.399 --> 02:04:41.640
Also maybe not get fired right or lose patients. Let's
2817
02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:43.239
face it, I say a lot of shit. It's not
2818
02:04:43.279 --> 02:04:45.600
going to be appreciated by quite a few people. Your
2819
02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:47.319
email made me very happy. I wish I would have
2820
02:04:47.319 --> 02:04:49.199
gone further than my bachelor's degree.
2821
02:04:49.199 --> 02:04:49.800
With my education.
2822
02:04:49.840 --> 02:04:51.600
It makes you feel good to know some doctors out
2823
02:04:51.600 --> 02:04:55.720
there don't think I'm a total idiot. Speaking of doctors,
2824
02:04:56.359 --> 02:04:59.439
fake ass doctor alert coming in from time suck Or Stephen.
2825
02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:03.359
Stephen writes, dear doctor, Reverend Lord of the suck, Dan commings,
2826
02:05:03.760 --> 02:05:05.640
I'm reminding you today because after meeting with a doctor
2827
02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:07.159
at my job, she handed me your card.
2828
02:05:07.159 --> 02:05:08.600
I looked at the name and saw a very Polish
2829
02:05:08.640 --> 02:05:09.199
looking name.
2830
02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:11.960
My first thought was a Polish woman, How did she
2831
02:05:12.000 --> 02:05:14.439
ever get the intelligence stevehn go to school, followed shortly
2832
02:05:14.439 --> 02:05:17.159
by the thought of God, damn it, Dan, your Polish
2833
02:05:17.159 --> 02:05:18.680
bashing is burd his way into my mind.
2834
02:05:19.399 --> 02:05:20.960
Thought you'd like to know what you've done to me.
2835
02:05:20.960 --> 02:05:23.720
Hail Nimrod, blessed people, Jangles begone, Lucifina, but come back
2836
02:05:23.800 --> 02:05:26.720
later and praise be to the master Socker future space
2837
02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:27.479
Aser's Steven.
2838
02:05:27.640 --> 02:05:28.319
Thank you, Steven.
2839
02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:30.079
I like the first part of your email very much,
2840
02:05:30.279 --> 02:05:32.279
but just regarding the second part, I haven't tricked you.
2841
02:05:33.119 --> 02:05:35.319
That Polish impostor tricked you, right. I think it's cue
2842
02:05:35.359 --> 02:05:37.600
that woman can dress up like a doctor, but there's
2843
02:05:37.680 --> 02:05:40.159
no way that she's as good as a man. Listen,
2844
02:05:40.159 --> 02:05:43.279
we all know that Polish people aren't human. So bottom line,
2845
02:05:43.439 --> 02:05:45.520
you were tricked and you need to call the hospital
2846
02:05:45.520 --> 02:05:48.520
and report that fucking beast before they kill somebody because
2847
02:05:48.520 --> 02:05:50.359
they can't you tell the difference between the seth scope
2848
02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:54.680
and scalpel, right, kidding about part of it about the
2849
02:05:54.680 --> 02:05:56.600
woman part. Women are every bit as smartest man. I
2850
02:05:56.640 --> 02:05:58.000
hope you know that, and hope you know it's kid
2851
02:05:58.079 --> 02:06:00.600
about Polish people as well. Listeners, if you're new, Uh,
2852
02:06:01.319 --> 02:06:02.960
how I said how, I actually think that Polish women
2853
02:06:03.039 --> 02:06:05.960
are among the world's most sexy and beautiful. I do
2854
02:06:06.039 --> 02:06:07.399
believe that, and I think that's why I feel okay
2855
02:06:07.399 --> 02:06:09.359
t's and Polish women are hot as fuck, an's super
2856
02:06:09.359 --> 02:06:11.399
smart and often fierce and strong. Just do not tell
2857
02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:13.439
Queen of the Suck Lindsay I said any of that,
2858
02:06:13.479 --> 02:06:15.439
because we will have it a race from the episode
2859
02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:19.640
awesome snake update coming in from Time Sucker Ruben Bates.
2860
02:06:20.079 --> 02:06:23.039
Ruben writes, Hello, oh, holy suck Master Prophet of Nimrod.
2861
02:06:23.079 --> 02:06:24.920
My name is Reuben and I just finished The Homeless
2862
02:06:24.960 --> 02:06:27.920
Suck so I'm a little behind. But anyways, don't know
2863
02:06:27.960 --> 02:06:30.560
if anybody else mentioned this to you, but some snakes
2864
02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:35.239
like the Taiwanese keelback, are both venomous and poisonous. And
2865
02:06:35.239 --> 02:06:38.119
this regarding my confusion for the difference between venomous and poisonous.
2866
02:06:38.560 --> 02:06:41.840
Most snakes are either venomous or non venomous, but there
2867
02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:44.680
are exceptions, just so you'd like to know and remember,
2868
02:06:45.039 --> 02:06:48.439
If it bites you and you die, it's venomous. If
2869
02:06:48.479 --> 02:06:52.119
you bite it and you die, it's poisonous. If you
2870
02:06:52.199 --> 02:06:54.439
bite each other and you like it, it's kinky.
2871
02:06:54.880 --> 02:06:57.560
Ha I like it. Crack me up.
2872
02:06:57.640 --> 02:06:59.399
I first read that. If I really cracked me up,
2873
02:06:59.439 --> 02:07:00.960
I like your little thing. At the end there, Reuben
2874
02:07:01.319 --> 02:07:05.520
loved the mix of trivia and humor, and finally, a
2875
02:07:05.720 --> 02:07:10.359
very very very cool update coming in from longtime sucker
2876
02:07:10.680 --> 02:07:15.439
Jessica Casillas. Jessica, she's been updating us for a while now,
2877
02:07:15.479 --> 02:07:18.319
for about two years now on the progress of her
2878
02:07:18.359 --> 02:07:20.880
deported husband, who's been stuck out of the country because
2879
02:07:20.920 --> 02:07:24.399
of certain immigration laws and been separated from his family,
2880
02:07:24.439 --> 02:07:25.960
been working his ass off trying to get back. They've
2881
02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:28.800
been terrified that he would just be you know, gone
2882
02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:31.000
forever and just you know, forced to live in a
2883
02:07:31.000 --> 02:07:33.399
country that he actually never lived in. Other than when
2884
02:07:33.399 --> 02:07:36.119
he was a baby where he doesn't know anything about it. Really,
2885
02:07:37.039 --> 02:07:38.960
Dear Master the Suck and spouse with the poopo ree
2886
02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:39.840
hair Queen of the Suck.
2887
02:07:40.920 --> 02:07:42.920
Nice little reference to Lindsay there at her Instagram there.
2888
02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:45.600
Yeah, you can follow Lindsay if you're curious about that
2889
02:07:45.840 --> 02:07:47.640
at Queen of the Suck. I have an update in
2890
02:07:47.640 --> 02:07:50.640
regard to my husband's immigration process. After six hundred and
2891
02:07:50.680 --> 02:07:52.640
four days of him being in Mexico, he finally had
2892
02:07:52.680 --> 02:07:57.800
his appointment for his green card. He got approved. Yeah,
2893
02:07:57.920 --> 02:08:00.560
he'll be able to finally come home once he receivestry paperwork,
2894
02:08:00.560 --> 02:08:02.119
which can take up to two weeks. You'll finally be
2895
02:08:02.159 --> 02:08:04.199
able to set foot on US soil for the first
2896
02:08:04.199 --> 02:08:04.600
time in.
2897
02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:07.439
His life as a legal immigrant. Fuck. Yeah.
2898
02:08:07.720 --> 02:08:09.039
Just want to thank you, the Queen the Suck and
2899
02:08:09.079 --> 02:08:11.479
everyone you kept us in their prayers, thoughts and all
2900
02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:14.239
the cocker spaniel sacrifices made the Nimro to help our cause.
2901
02:08:14.279 --> 02:08:16.079
I wouldn't have made it through these twenty months without
2902
02:08:16.079 --> 02:08:18.560
the kindness from the Culture Curious and your willingness to
2903
02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:21.319
cover this subject, as well as all the awesome episodes
2904
02:08:21.319 --> 02:08:23.000
to get me through my days. Thanks for all that
2905
02:08:23.039 --> 02:08:26.720
you do. Keep on sucking, mastersucker. You guys are the best.
2906
02:08:27.039 --> 02:08:34.000
Ah shit, yeah, Jessica, Okay Aha, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.
2907
02:08:34.520 --> 02:08:36.439
Look, I see his family took on the Department of
2908
02:08:36.439 --> 02:08:40.000
Immigration and one well. Victory not just for them but
2909
02:08:40.039 --> 02:08:43.800
for loving family, A nice chance for remind America that
2910
02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:46.840
our land is a land founded by immigrants.
2911
02:08:47.199 --> 02:08:50.720
Let's not lose that. Look great melting pots.
2912
02:08:51.119 --> 02:08:53.399
Stop being spicy and tasty if we don't mix in
2913
02:08:53.520 --> 02:08:58.600
some of that sweet Mexican suffer. Love you, Jessica, Hug
2914
02:08:58.640 --> 02:09:02.279
that motherfucker tight for all of us, and Hail Nimrod.
2915
02:09:05.279 --> 02:09:09.119
Thanks time, suckers. I need a next We all did
2916
02:09:10.279 --> 02:09:11.439
have a great week. Everyone.
2917
02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:13.760
Do not kill anyone, but if you do, for God's sake,
2918
02:09:13.760 --> 02:09:14.359
be honest about it.
2919
02:09:14.359 --> 02:09:14.800
He killed.
2920
02:09:15.239 --> 02:09:18.600
And keep on sucking and hang around after this sounder
2921
02:09:18.880 --> 02:09:31.399
for Joe motherfucking Paisley. Hi am Joe Paisley, with the
2922
02:09:32.199 --> 02:09:34.479
with the band Moretta and this is our new song.
2923
02:09:34.920 --> 02:09:37.920
And this is our new song in need of better?
2924
02:09:38.520 --> 02:09:40.439
Who nailed it? Nailed it?
2925
02:10:00.399 --> 02:10:04.159
Emotional absence, search for cry.
2926
02:10:05.439 --> 02:10:07.279
The way it was just begun?
2927
02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:08.960
What was done?
2928
02:10:09.079 --> 02:10:10.520
Company of Gods?
2929
02:10:11.640 --> 02:10:13.439
In pursuit of better?
2930
02:10:13.560 --> 02:10:19.279
Day in a straightful and we lost a lost of
2931
02:10:19.640 --> 02:10:24.680
lost my way, so.
2932
02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:53.119
New feel.
2933
02:10:55.880 --> 02:10:58.159
And ecusess.
2934
02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:03.520
It gives me old been two more than mild thoughts
2935
02:11:03.560 --> 02:11:05.840
and baker thoughts.
2936
02:11:06.880 --> 02:11:11.479
You no way to shadow shuts, U pull myself up, clear.
2937
02:11:11.399 --> 02:12:06.239
That I'm m I know, keep me.
2938
02:12:07.600 --> 02:12:12.359
Not that I want or I got need to.
2939
02:12:13.359 --> 02:12:21.800
Somehow reduced this boy to b s sity emotions.
2940
02:12:22.119 --> 02:12:23.840
Still try to get jail.
2941
02:12:23.880 --> 02:12:30.079
Process the scope of my less show shot.
2942
02:12:31.640 --> 02:12:42.600
Okay, see something got.
2943
02:12:49.840 --> 02:13:39.439
Play god.
2944
02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:49.800
Kids, go free get away for a list, we'd stay
2945
02:13:49.800 --> 02:13:52.479
on a line and stay on a family holiday to Britain.
2946
02:13:52.720 --> 02:13:56.359
Look forward to easy packing and onboard relaxing plus driving
2947
02:13:56.359 --> 02:13:58.920
on with everything your crew needs to have a good time.
2948
02:13:59.399 --> 02:14:01.800
Book our kid, it's go free offer today, it's stay
2949
02:14:01.840 --> 02:14:05.199
und line dot Ie terms and conditions apply.
2950
02:14:06.439 --> 02:14:07.800
One million kilometers.
2951
02:14:08.520 --> 02:14:11.159
That's a lot of school runs, a lot of last
2952
02:14:11.199 --> 02:14:14.399
minute getaways, a lot of unforgettable journeys.
2953
02:14:15.039 --> 02:14:16.439
In a Toyota electric car.
2954
02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:20.119
You're ready for all of them with EV extended battery
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02:14:20.159 --> 02:14:23.000
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2956
02:14:23.119 --> 02:14:24.159
decade of driving.
2957
02:14:24.520 --> 02:14:27.279
That's a million good reasons to book your test drive today.
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