Cryptids: Real Creatures or just Legends? | Natalie Rose

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All right, everybody. Tonight, I am joined by Natalie Rose
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from the Midnight Cryptid Club. A show, I guess it
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looks past the monster of the weak version of cryptids
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and gets into the more of the history and the
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folklore and evidence and strange stories behind all these things, right?
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So Natalie has spent a lot of time asking which
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of these stories might have something real underneath them and
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which ones fall apart once you start pulling at threads.
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So tonight, I don't want to ask her the usual
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questions about her favorite cryptid and what first got her interested, okay?
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We'll probably go over that, but I want to get
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into something a little harder. How do we know when
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We're investigating a mystery and when we're helping create one.
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So with that being said, Natalie Rose, welcome to Broadcasting Seeds.
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Thank you so much for having me today. It's a
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pleasure to be here and I'm excited to get into it.
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Absolutely. Do some shameless product placement and tell people exactly
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where they can find you. Sure.
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Well, you can find us on TikTok, Instagram or YouTube.
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We have an almost weekly show that we run on
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YouTube as often as we can. We are very active
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on Instagram and TikTok. We post almost every day. So
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you can find us over there. And we also have
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a book coming out next week. So you can find
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that over on Amazon. It's also under the Midnight Cryptid
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Club banner. Awesome.
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What's it about?
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So that one's actually a middle grade mystery novel. We
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had some cryptid lovers who are older, who are parents,
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who want to be able to share these legends in
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a way that they can package them to their kids,
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something that's a little more approachable than reading about them online.
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So we wrote a fantasy series based on each state's cryptid.
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So our first one is Iowa. It's all about the
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Van Meter Visitor, so you'll have to go check it out. Wow.
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That's awesome. Yeah. And a cool angle.
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Yeah.
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My brain working.
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Anyway, yeah, different.
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So like when I brought it up already, but like
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when you're researching a cryptic case, what what is the
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first detail that makes you stop and think, OK, this
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one deserves more attention.
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So a lot of the times I look for what
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evidence was actually found because it's one thing to hear
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a story about somebody seeing something and it's another thing
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to be like well this thing attacked my car and
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then the car it's pretty scratched up you know so
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those are the different things that you look for like
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something that jumps out to me is the lizard man
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of skateboard swamp that's an interesting one because Not only
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do you have the story, but you also actually have
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the vehicle that was damaged in that investigation. Versus something like,
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as much as I love them, like a Loveland Frog
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situation where there wasn't really any evidence. It was just
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a lot of stories that had built up over time.
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Yeah. Yeah. So let's flip that around. What's something that
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immediately makes you suspicious of a report, even when the
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story itself is? Sounds convincing because some people are really
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good storytellers, right?
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Definitely. I think it's a matter of how many different
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parties saw the same thing. Even if it's like one
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group of four people who claim to all see the
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same thing, like that versus two different parties coming across
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something similar to me is more legitimate. Like the Dover
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Demon is an interesting one where you had three separate
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people Didn't talk to each other. All allegedly saw the
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same thing. That's when like the wheels start to turn.
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You're like, okay, maybe there is something out there that
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we didn't.
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That independent reporting, right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Because otherwise, you know, we can collude and do this together.
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Yeah, yeah. And you see that a lot these days,
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I think, with internet culture too.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's really expanded on that.
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So is there a cryptid you once found fairly believable?
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That became less believable the more you researched it.
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Everybody hates this answer. It's a mock match, dude. I like, listen,
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as much as I want to believe in it, I can't.
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And unfortunately, that also comes with this layer of the
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metaphysical that accompanies a lot of these sightings. Not that
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I throw anything out. I'm a person who approaches everything
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with an open mind. But when you start bringing the
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metaphysical into it, I really need to see a lot
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for me to believe that it could be out there.
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And the more that I tore into the Mothman stuff,
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the less it made sense to me, unfortunately.
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No, I'm kind of there with you. Some of that, like,
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what was the big piece of evidence that started changing
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your mind? I mean, yeah, you say metaphysical, but was
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there something that just, like, broke the camel's back? You're like, nope.
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Or is it just like a general feeling?
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I think it was a general feeling, but it was
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the consistency of stories that didn't add up. Like two
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people are driving, like the initial Point Pleasant sighting, two
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people are driving in a car and they see a
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giant creature with like red eyes and a large shape
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like in the sky. And then from that, like it
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was very difficult to solidify even when it turned into
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a moth. You know what I mean? Like, so that's
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stuff too, where I feel like we took something and
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we ran with it because we really liked the idea
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of it. And I love a good story, but a
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good story isn't necessarily a cryptid sighting.
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Yeah. Has the opposite happened? Like something you initially thought
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was ridiculous, but after researching the original reports, you thought, man,
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maybe there's something to this.
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I think that's honestly Hopkinsville goblins for me.
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Oh, yeah.
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Wow.
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To this day, I still, I don't, I don't know.
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That's one that in the back of my mind, like
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I really tried hard to disprove it to myself when
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I was doing the research for it. But the more
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that I read, the more these people stuck to their story,
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like so hard that they refused to move houses or
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it was it was really, really tough for them.
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That's the Kentucky. Is that in Appalachia? Where is that?
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Yeah, that's Kentucky.
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So I feel like there was a there's a filmmaker
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out there started making a he was asking questions about that.
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And I'm trying to think of the movie that he,
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that came out of it.
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I can't remember. Damn. I wish I was prepared for that,
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but I'm not. And he's the kind that was like,
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Oh my God. Like there's some, there's like legs to this.
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And he was on the ground there. So yeah, it's weird.
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There's police involvement. There's a lot of, for me, it's
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when there's a really strong historical record is where I'm like, okay,
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like something definitely was seen. Van Meter Visitor is another
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great example of that, where there's a really strong historical
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record of it. And then that was, I mean, buried
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forever until Chad Lewis and team kind of dug it up.
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So that's interesting to me also.
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So like, what evidence would actually make you abandon a
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cryptid theory that you currently believe is.
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Possible what evidence would make me abandon.
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It yeah abandon a cryptid theory.
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As in like I don't believe something and then.
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Oh no you do believe it and then.
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What would make me yeah.
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It's kind of like uh that you know researchers don't
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talk about enough I don't feel like people talk about
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like the evidence that would make them uh fall off
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the trail is something that they really.
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Believed in Well, I think the Yeti is an interesting
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case study of that, where people have been trying for
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so long to get absolutely anything on this. And like
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the most that they found, like every hair sample has
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been like Appalachian, Himalayan brown bears.
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Yeah, or like goats or whatever.
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Yeah, or like hand that everybody was so excited about.
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I mean, it's often totally fake. So those are the
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things I think we get really excited when somebody brings
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something to light. Like the hand is a great example,
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the pink wash hand. where everybody got really excited about it.
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And then unfortunately it was just not to be false,
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even though it was like coveted and passed back and
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forth and stolen. I mean, that could be a movie
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for sure.
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Yeah. I, cause I, I feel like, so I have
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an issue with Sasquatch meaning I, I mean, no, no
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meaning that I've had a class a sighting.
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Yeah.
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I've had multiple classes sighting.
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Yeah.
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Um, So it's like, because if there's nothing that could
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change our mind, are we still really investigating? Cause I'm not,
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I know it. I'm a knower. You know what I mean?
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I'm not a, and there's nothing that you can do
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to make me change my mind. Now, the only thing
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you could do is to maybe show me what it
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actually is. So I might change my mind in that,
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but I'm not going to change my mind in what
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I encountered.
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Yeah.
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I guess that's where I'm kind of getting at with
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that question. You know, it's one of those, nope. Like,
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you can say whatever you want. But it's like when
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they're trying with this, like, Patterson-Ginland debunking stories. And, okay,
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that's fine. I just know what I think.
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Right.
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Didn't happen but you've seen enough that you know that
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something is out there.
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Right so like speaking of that because you guys do
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you guys take reports or you just like research reports.
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We don't usually take reports. And I think it's not
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for lack of wanting them. I think people just don't
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really do that because of the format of our show.
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But we do. We love to hear people's stories. Ironically enough,
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we've gotten so many stories about everything but Sasquatch. And
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that's kind of on purpose, though, because I'm not a
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there are so many channels or researchers like yourself who
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are Sasquatch focused.
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Yes.
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And I'm like, you guys, you guys are the big leagues.
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I'm not going to pretend like I know anything about
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this in comparison to you. You know what I'm talking about?
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Yeah, I understand.
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So, yeah.
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So I do take a more general approach to kind
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of avoid the Sasquatch only because I love people who
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do that. I mean, you are one. Bigfoot. What's his name? Jeremiah. Oh, uh,
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I'm blanking on, I know I'm blanking on it, which sucks.
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Cause I love Jeremiah. So big society, big foot society,
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one of them, Collier and Starr. I mean, those, you
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guys are the real.
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Yeah.
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Like, um, yeah, there's so there's, there's a lot of
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really good Sasquatch researchers. There just is. And people doing
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like real, real stuff like terrestrial from the, um, Sasquatch
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data project. Like if you've never looked into her data,
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it's insane.
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It's crazy.
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It is.
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And I interviewed her and met her. And we just
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talked about, it's just, she's such a data nerd, but
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it's so good. It's so good. Like the stuff that
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she's figured out. It's really hard to say. No. And
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then I think his name is Thomas. Cause of course names.
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But the Bigfoot mapping project also is fabulous.
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It's incredible. So, yeah, those are the things I won't
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mess with. I just revere you guys. They're doing that
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level of field work.
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Right. I mean, would you rather have a just thinking
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about all all this stuff? Would you rather have one
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piece of physical evidence? I guess that you could say
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is difficult to explain. I'm not saying it's incontrovertible, right?
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Or 100 independent eyewitnesses who all describe essentially the same thing.
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If they were unrelated. I mean, I think, unfortunately, through
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a biological... Because somebody was asking me, like, what scientific
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evidence would you need? And I'm like, scientific could be observation.
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Observations are scientific. If we're talking about biological evidence, then.
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Honestly, I do think that the sightings might be more
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of a tell than like one piece of something that
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isn't totally put together. Because if you think about it,
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I mean, even evidence collected from crime scenes can come
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back as inconclusive and you don't know.
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Oh, absolutely.
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So that's kind of the thing that does make me,
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I mean, I'm definitely a Sasquatch believer for sure, no question.
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Because you almost can't not be.
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At this point.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's slightly ridiculous. Well, I don't know. Is it? I mean,
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it is, but it's one of those instances where I take,
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just take the Bigfoot mapping project, for example. He's got
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something like, and he doesn't even have all of it.
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This is just from the databases that he has access to.
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We're talking 17,000 independent sightings now. Not all sightings, but
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Pieces of evidence, all right?
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Only one of those has to be real.
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Exactly.
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So you're playing math now, right? Yeah. And mathematically, and
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I'm not saying it's an ape or an unknown hominid
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or a nephilim or whatever. I'm not saying any of it.
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It doesn't even matter what it is at this point.
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Something is causing this phenomenon. Exactly. Yeah.
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Yeah. And we have evidence, I mean, historically going back
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years of other creatures who were thought to be cryptids
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for a long, long time.
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Before they were discovered. Yeah. Correct.
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So I do think it's possible in that respect.
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Yeah, for sure. So like when people tell these stories, right,
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what do you think researchers misunderstand most about eyewitness testimony?
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I mean, eyewitness testimony in the same way that evidential
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crime scene.
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It can be awful.
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I mean, it can be, yeah, it can be. I've
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had a couple of people like, come on, we do
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TikTok lives every now and again. And there are some
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people who come on to share their stories. And like
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in my head, I'm like, all right, but like, does
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this go anywhere? You know what I mean? Yeah. Where
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it's something that's like peripheral. Like there was, there was
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definitely something that made a noise in a bush. And like,
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that's so great. Anything else? Is there anything else that
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we can put to this?
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Um, so those are the things that I think researchers
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will pass on something that doesn't have any specific detail
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in it. Uh, even if it's just one thing, I
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had some guy tell me a really awesome Jersey devil
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story where he was working at an army base or
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an air force base up there. I forget.
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And it's probably for Dietrich.
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I think, I don't know if it's that one. I
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think there was one other one. Okay. I don't, if
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you said the name, I would definitely remember it. Um,
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but he was on a run and he would always
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like run to the convenience store, get a drink and
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come back. And on his way back, he saw something
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eating a bear carcass and freaked out. So he brought
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his friend back to the carcass and it had been
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like almost entirely consumed and it was complete when he
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was on his way to his run. So by the
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time he got back, most of it was gone. And
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he had seen something over it, but he didn't mess
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with it while he was on his run. He's like,
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that's crazy. I'm a human facing this giant creature. He
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thought that it might be another bear or something like that.
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And as they were looking into it, you know, they
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were looking for the specifics. He's like, I was trying
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to prove myself wrong. Like, what could this be? But
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a bear can't eat all of that in a day.
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And like all these other things. And finally, he saw.
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an image of the Jersey devil. And he was like, no,
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I think that's what I saw.
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Oh my gosh. That's what I saw. That's odd. That's crazy.
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It's crazy. And I personally don't believe that the Jersey
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devil is really out there. So to me, I'm like,
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it's a great story, but.
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I said for Dietrich, but I meant for dicks. That's
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what I meant.
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That one. Yeah.
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But there's like a joint base there, but anyway, it
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doesn't matter specifics, but that, that place is just spooky.
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I've never had a, like, I have never had a
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Jersey devil experience, but I can tell you those pine barrens,
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there's something going on there. Like it's a, there's some
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like high strangeness adjacent stuff.
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I'd believe that for sure. And I do think that
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often what happens when we talk about cryptids is that
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the paranormal crosses over a lot more than I think
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it should personally. Just because, like, for example, we did
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this cryptids rankings video. I don't know if you happened
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to come across it.
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I didn't, but I got to find it because I.
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Love those videos. Get in there and just hate on
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us like everybody else is. Everybody was really upset because
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we actually ranked the Midwest as having the scariest cryptids, folklorically.
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Nothing like that we needed evidence for, just like based
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on stories and things like that. And everybody was so upset.
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A lot of people in the South particularly were very upset.
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Really?
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They were like, all these things, like Louisiana is full
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of stuff. I'm like, Louisiana is full of ghosts and
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demons and other things that I cannot understand. But if
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we're looking purely at like cryptid creatures, the ranking is
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going to be different than like something haunted.
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Yeah, for sure. I mean, I know, well, Dogman is
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a pretty, at least that's where it came out of.
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To me, that's terrifying. Dogman to me, I don't know.
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I'll run after an eight foot, uh, ape like creature
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in the woods all day. You put a dog head
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on that. For some reason it's like, damn, I'm not,
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you know? Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, I think like the railroad stories are very,
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are very, uh, those freak me out for sure.
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Yeah. So man, I, uh, I mean, I don't want,
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I don't want to, have you ever had an experience?
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Peripherally? I told this story recently.
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So I guess I have to ask questions to other people.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never had anything that would constitute
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a class A sighting, for example. I've had paranormal experiences
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more than I've had cryptid experiences, and that's one of
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the reasons I actually don't talk about the paranormal on
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my channel very much. I had a possession experience, and
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I'm not... that so so i stay as far away
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from that as i can for that reason um and
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that's why i kind of stick to the biological and
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science side although we do talk about of course of
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course like folklore it'll it'll cross over but i'm not
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going to actively put myself in a position where i'm
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looking for spirits um.
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I can understand yeah especially if you've had yeah.
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Yeah so those we tend to not talk about.
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Gotcha um yeah wow we can talk after yeah i
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i have stuff to say about that too but anyway
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I don't want to get sidetracked. So, um, I mean,
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do you think like, I guess, how do I put
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this modern cryptid culture is sometimes changing the characteristics of
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the creatures themselves?
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think, again, that really ties into
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like the internet lore of it all. I think we're
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seeing this emergence of counterculture that is using cryptids as
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a base and kind of expanding on that, which I don't,
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I think that's just like the nature of humans. Like
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we like telling stories. We like the drama. That's why
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we look into these things sometimes. But I do think
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that it does muddy the actual investigations that a lot
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of field researchers are doing. And it does make it
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harder to like when we're researching our episodes, even kind
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of filter like this is definitely false. This might be true.
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And that's just a human thing, too. Like you look
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at yellow journalism in the 1900s. Oh, God.
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Yeah.
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Again, like Jersey Devil stuff and Snally Astor. Like it's
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always been ridiculous, but it just depends on how ridiculous
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are we getting at this point?
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I mean, I grew up. I was born in the 70s.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I remember The Inquirer and all of those different,
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you know, newspapers. That's what they were, frankly. And so
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you brought up yellow journalism. But you would stand in
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the grocery store as a kid, fascinated, just reading, you know,
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that Michael Jackson had a love child with, like, you know,
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some sort of alien.
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Yeah.
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Whatever.
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You know, it's just wild. Insane. So, yeah. I mean,
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because I think to kind of piggyback on your answer,
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somebody sees something unusual. Now the internet, right? So they
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go online, they discover the vocabulary of Bigfoot and Dogman
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and crawlers and the Wendigo, right? And whatever, whatever it
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may be. And then suddenly experience that their experience gets
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categorized for them. So it's like, yeah, yeah. I wish
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I could get ahold of people right.
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After it happens.
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Cause without, I like to interview people that don't have
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the vocabulary.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, truly. Cause that, that makes it all the more,
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I think, honest when you don't have anything to compare
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it to. And there's also like the bastardization that you
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see of things like the Wendigo, for example, that has
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now turned from the original legend into like a cinema monster.
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Oh, yeah. Like with antlers.
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Yeah.
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The whole deer headed shenanigans.
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Come on.
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Yeah. It's crazy.
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So I'm going to ask you, have you ever seen
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the movie Ravenous?
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I've not. I've not seen Ravenous.
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Because that's the Wendigo to me. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And that's the Native American lore is that it's not
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a entity per se. It is, but it possesses someone.
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Yeah.
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Right. Yeah. So if you haven't seen Ravenous, you like movies, right?
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So get after it because it's a really good movie.
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It's twisted dark humor.
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Yeah.
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And most people, it's portrayed as a horror movie, but frankly,
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you know, I'm a twisted individual anyway, though. But to me,
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there's a lot of comedy in it, especially the music.
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And you'll see what I mean if you watch it. Oh,
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my God.
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No, I'll have to check it out. I have a
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whole list of curtsied movies to check out, but I'm
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unfortunately very disappointed by most of the ones I've seen.
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Yeah, they all kind of suck.
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I know.
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As someone who works in movies, I really need people
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to start making better ones. Maybe that has to be me.
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I don't know. I really hope it's not, though. I'm
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already doing the show. Somebody else, please.
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So you've got your top 10 list, right? So which
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famous cryptid do you think has been most distorted by retellings?
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Ooh. I mean, I think the Wendigo is the obvious answer,
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but I'm trying to think of maybe some others that
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I've come across in my research and have just, Ooh,
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I think this is an odd answer, but I think
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Nessie is one whose story is understood. Um, and tragically,
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I think it's because the more I looked at that
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one too, the less it made sense to me. And
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the more it looked like hoaxes upon hoaxes.
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Um, Well, I think there's more hoaxes proved about Nessie
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than anything else, possibly. Yes, yes.
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Bigfoot, of course. Yeah, yeah, definitely. But I do think
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that that's one where maybe it's not so much the
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creature itself, but the legend behind it, I think, has
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definitely been misconstrued.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And looking into that, it was a lot of... It's
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really funny, actually, and I can't remember the details off
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the top of my head. But essentially, there was a
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researcher who claimed to have found it, and then somebody
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proved him wrong, and then the grandson of the original
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guy went out and then proved the other guy wrong.
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It was a whole incestuous hoax.
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Yeah.
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Hoax mountain, essentially, which was really interesting. But I do
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think that that one, as much as I would love
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to believe in it, they've practically drained the lake and
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still haven't found anything. Maybe not. Right.
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Right. You know, I don't even know what to think there.
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I mean, we have the Lake Champlain to Champ, you know,
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and I have a friend that swears that he's, I mean,
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seen something.
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There's one in Argentina, Nahuelito, who's like the Argentine version
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00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:23.250
of Nessie. And that's one that I actually, looking at
488
00:26:23.269 --> 00:26:27.180
the stories surrounding that, there's very little, you know, official
489
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:28.380
quote unquote evidence.
490
00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:29.319
What's it called?
491
00:26:30.069 --> 00:26:35.339
Nahuelito, N-A-H-U-E-L-I-T-O.
492
00:26:37.059 --> 00:26:40.539
Where in Argentina?
493
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.319
Sorry, around Bariloche.
494
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:44.200
Okay.
495
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:47.859
The lake is Nahuelhuapi, which I could spell for you also.
496
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:52.670
It's fine. I'm good enough at it. I can get it.
497
00:26:53.390 --> 00:26:57.670
But yeah, that's one. The story behind that is surprisingly
498
00:26:57.710 --> 00:27:01.099
intricate and detailed. And there have been sightings I mean
499
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:04.079
up until like 2020 so I think that's one that
500
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:05.680
was a fun one to look into that I'd never
501
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:07.160
heard anybody talk about before.
502
00:27:06.940 --> 00:27:09.980
Really yeah I like that's why I wrote it down
503
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.109
yeah because I like to hear those things about this
504
00:27:13.130 --> 00:27:17.009
like I interviewed a guy from Australia not that long
505
00:27:17.049 --> 00:27:22.670
ago and oh my god like just same but different
506
00:27:22.730 --> 00:27:27.019
right but totally cool yeah just it kind of gives
507
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.619
you the congruency of things across the.
508
00:27:31.029 --> 00:27:34.710
The world the world yeah yeah that's a funny thing
509
00:27:34.769 --> 00:27:36.809
i feel like in the u.s we have so many
510
00:27:36.990 --> 00:27:39.390
legends here that i think draw a lot of our
511
00:27:39.430 --> 00:27:42.829
attention but the world is a big place.
512
00:27:42.849 --> 00:27:46.890
Many of them are also cross-pollinated to other places which
513
00:27:47.630 --> 00:27:52.109
also bodes since we are a country of immigrants uh
514
00:27:52.529 --> 00:27:57.210
mostly right it how many of these people brought legends.
515
00:27:56.849 --> 00:28:01.470
With them and yeah Yeah, that's true. That was, I mean, Snallygaster,
516
00:28:01.569 --> 00:28:06.210
Schnellgeist was a Germanic spirit before someone was like, what
517
00:28:06.250 --> 00:28:08.750
if it made it a dragon with tentacles?
518
00:28:09.490 --> 00:28:09.769
Yeah.
519
00:28:10.470 --> 00:28:10.630
Yeah.
520
00:28:11.230 --> 00:28:14.529
And it also kind of bodes to, I've also gone
521
00:28:14.690 --> 00:28:19.809
towards the like power of the human mind to possibly
522
00:28:19.930 --> 00:28:22.390
create things. And I mean, you get really weird with
523
00:28:22.410 --> 00:28:26.500
the metaphysical stuff. But anyway, you never know. I just
524
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.000
don't know. Bottom line is we don't know shit. So
525
00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:29.960
that's true.
526
00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:31.920
I mean, if you think about it, like I did
527
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.700
an episode on ocean creatures, we've only explored, I think
528
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:37.440
like what, like 1% of the ocean.
529
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:38.160
Yeah.
530
00:28:39.069 --> 00:28:43.730
If that, if that. Yeah. So I don't know. There's
531
00:28:43.750 --> 00:28:45.829
a lot that we don't know that's out there and
532
00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:48.210
it's every day, every day we're finding out new things.
533
00:28:48.809 --> 00:28:51.549
Yeah. So let's take this to, to where you're at
534
00:28:51.789 --> 00:28:52.650
for a second.
535
00:28:53.190 --> 00:28:53.430
Yeah.
536
00:28:53.490 --> 00:28:58.569
So like if Tik TOK, Reddit, YouTube, And smartphones existed
537
00:28:58.769 --> 00:29:05.559
in Van Meter, Iowa in like 1903. Yeah. Do you
538
00:29:05.630 --> 00:29:08.980
think the Van Meter visitor would be considered a stronger
539
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:14.819
case today? Or would the Internet completely destroy its credibility?
540
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.220
I think that that entirely depends on how many pictures
541
00:29:18.259 --> 00:29:24.079
were taken. And if AI was still used in 1903
542
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.920
in this example.
543
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:26.819
Yeah, right.
544
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:31.730
Because that's really the other thing that's terrible about these days.
545
00:29:31.750 --> 00:29:36.329
AI just is kind of ruined. Like visual confirmation is
546
00:29:36.369 --> 00:29:37.049
like bunk.
547
00:29:37.549 --> 00:29:42.099
Yeah, you can't believe anything anymore. which is terrible.
548
00:29:43.220 --> 00:29:44.440
It is awful.
549
00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:44.960
Yeah.
550
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.099
That's something else that I don't know. So truly the
551
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.640
answer is I don't know because if people had the technology,
552
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.900
but also the ways to alter it that we have today. Yeah.
553
00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:56.960
I'm not sure.
554
00:29:56.980 --> 00:30:01.609
I mean, do you think We're currently creating new folklore
555
00:30:01.710 --> 00:30:02.450
in real time.
556
00:30:03.029 --> 00:30:03.470
Oh, yeah.
557
00:30:03.589 --> 00:30:05.410
I mean, that's the internet. Internet legends.
558
00:30:05.490 --> 00:30:06.210
Yeah, right.
559
00:30:06.630 --> 00:30:07.609
That's what it is. Yeah.
560
00:30:07.630 --> 00:30:10.130
I mean, look at, what is it? The rake or
561
00:30:10.410 --> 00:30:11.589
the crawler, right?
562
00:30:12.069 --> 00:30:12.309
Yeah.
563
00:30:13.329 --> 00:30:13.849
Definitely.
564
00:30:14.289 --> 00:30:19.440
I think I'll send it to you as well. I
565
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:24.259
have a pretty good picture of a rake from a
566
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:27.000
trail cam that we set up.
567
00:30:27.859 --> 00:30:28.160
Okay.
568
00:30:29.259 --> 00:30:32.319
And it's wild it could be something else but oh
569
00:30:32.339 --> 00:30:36.759
my god yeah yeah freaked us right out um that's
570
00:30:36.819 --> 00:30:39.220
all i know because the guy's tent that it's next
571
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:44.059
to dude he's like nope i'm out he like left the.
572
00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:48.299
Expedition wow so okay yeah i'll have to see.
573
00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:51.829
It yeah i mean it i wish it was less
574
00:30:51.970 --> 00:30:52.829
grainy but.
575
00:30:52.730 --> 00:30:54.109
It's Don't we always?
576
00:30:54.730 --> 00:30:58.400
Exactly. But at the end of the day, it's like
577
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:02.200
something that we harvested ourselves. So I know like I
578
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.539
give it credibility, but that doesn't mean that's like anything else.
579
00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:08.220
Cause yeah. Right.
580
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:13.619
But again, the fact that researchers like yourself who are
581
00:31:13.660 --> 00:31:19.000
going there and really capturing evidence does, does improve the
582
00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:22.640
odds versus like someone who, Like it's a, it's the
583
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.500
Fresno night crawler thing, you know, like that. I don't,
584
00:31:26.619 --> 00:31:27.039
I don't know.
585
00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:28.359
That's so weird.
586
00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:32.930
That was, that's especially a weird one. Cause we're also
587
00:31:33.029 --> 00:31:37.829
seeing like third, I don't know, like three, three stations
588
00:31:37.890 --> 00:31:39.869
away footage. I forget what that's called exactly.
589
00:31:40.170 --> 00:31:40.990
Yeah.
590
00:31:41.539 --> 00:31:43.880
But it's not even the original footage that was captured.
591
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.660
So who knows what like the actual footage looks like. Yeah.
592
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.740
It's like things that people 100 years from now might
593
00:31:50.829 --> 00:31:55.190
talk about as though they were ancient legend, right?
594
00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:58.349
No, for sure. Or like you look at Slenderman, for example. Oh, yeah.
595
00:31:58.369 --> 00:32:01.450
That was a couple years ago. And if we all
596
00:32:01.470 --> 00:32:03.680
die out and like some alien species comes down, they're
597
00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:05.059
going to be like, oh, yeah, these Slenderman are all
598
00:32:05.099 --> 00:32:05.559
over the place.
599
00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:08.019
It's crazy. You barely hear about it now.
600
00:32:08.619 --> 00:32:11.019
No, I know. It's totally died out, which I think
601
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.059
is funny. I think it was definitely a fad for
602
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:13.400
a while.
603
00:32:13.420 --> 00:32:18.029
Yeah. Could we trace it back to an actual internet post?
604
00:32:18.250 --> 00:32:20.130
I feel like they did that with the rake, but
605
00:32:20.410 --> 00:32:21.470
I don't know.
606
00:32:21.529 --> 00:32:23.549
I think they did do that with the rake. But
607
00:32:23.589 --> 00:32:26.869
I think, again, like calling something the rake might be
608
00:32:27.450 --> 00:32:27.970
not real.
609
00:32:28.089 --> 00:32:32.150
It doesn't mean because there's entities that look very similar
610
00:32:32.190 --> 00:32:33.990
to the rake that had different names.
611
00:32:34.190 --> 00:32:34.420
Yeah.
612
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:34.980
Yeah.
613
00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:37.420
Yeah. So I remember we were looking at the rake
614
00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:40.759
at one point to do a piece on it. And
615
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:42.779
then that's kind of what I found. I was like, oh,
616
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.200
this looks like internet in origin and maybe it was
617
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.369
adjacent to something else. So we ended up not doing it,
618
00:32:49.809 --> 00:32:51.650
but I'll have to see where it might come from.
619
00:32:51.670 --> 00:33:00.210
Yeah. So like, you're not, you're not only researching this material. You, you,
620
00:33:00.710 --> 00:33:03.589
you have to turn it into something people actually want
621
00:33:03.630 --> 00:33:08.809
to watch. Right. And so just like being a filmmaker
622
00:33:09.049 --> 00:33:12.920
or I can't call myself that, but you might call
623
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.240
yourself a filmmaker, but like a content creator.
624
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:16.079
That's what I'm saying.
625
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:16.640
How about that?
626
00:33:17.180 --> 00:33:17.400
Sure.
627
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.059
Ever put you in conflict with being skeptical?
628
00:33:23.539 --> 00:33:30.019
Oh, I will say yes and no. because of, but
629
00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:33.480
only because of the format of our show. So how
630
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.079
we approach everything is we always tell the story full chest.
631
00:33:37.420 --> 00:33:40.880
Like this is what happened. Allegedly you hook them in
632
00:33:40.900 --> 00:33:44.329
with the drama. But then the rest of our episode
633
00:33:44.410 --> 00:33:47.150
is kind of breaking it down. So like, yes, this is,
634
00:33:47.210 --> 00:33:50.069
this is the alleged sighting. This is the alleged story.
635
00:33:50.130 --> 00:33:52.650
This is allegedly what happened. These are the people who
636
00:33:52.690 --> 00:33:56.170
saw the thing. but for this thing to actually be real,
637
00:33:56.210 --> 00:33:58.369
like what would, what are the conditions that we need
638
00:33:58.410 --> 00:34:01.470
for this? So like lizard man, for example, we were
639
00:34:01.490 --> 00:34:04.430
talking about like, how would something like this actually exist?
640
00:34:04.450 --> 00:34:06.380
It would have to have this kind of skin. It
641
00:34:06.420 --> 00:34:10.059
would have to keep the webs in its fingers and toes,
642
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:12.460
like all of these other things that would have to
643
00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:16.929
be around for it to, to really exist. And typically
644
00:34:16.969 --> 00:34:22.639
we conclude with like, This could be real, right? Or
645
00:34:22.929 --> 00:34:25.260
it would be most likely something else. Or for those
646
00:34:25.300 --> 00:34:27.679
that have been proven to be false, like we talked about,
647
00:34:27.699 --> 00:34:28.460
but it probably is.
648
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:36.510
Because sometimes the boring explanation is probably the correct explanation,
649
00:34:36.570 --> 00:34:39.289
but the monster makes the better video.
650
00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:42.409
It does, yeah. So I think a lot of people,
651
00:34:42.449 --> 00:34:44.789
especially a lot of people who use heavy AI in
652
00:34:44.809 --> 00:34:48.489
a lot of their videos, might see really weave some
653
00:34:48.530 --> 00:34:52.219
crazy stories. But I do think that it lends to
654
00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:58.070
our credibility that we have an open mind, but keep
655
00:34:58.110 --> 00:34:59.369
our head on our shoulders.
656
00:34:59.550 --> 00:35:02.570
Have the campfire, right? The set with the campfire.
657
00:35:02.590 --> 00:35:04.429
The set with the campfire.
658
00:35:04.570 --> 00:35:05.809
I think it's cool. I like it.
659
00:35:06.309 --> 00:35:07.849
It's really fun. It's a great set.
660
00:35:08.090 --> 00:35:10.090
Yeah, it's one of the things I'd love to do.
661
00:35:10.210 --> 00:35:14.780
Like when I move down south, I'm going to, you know,
662
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:16.699
this is my basement, right?
663
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:17.639
Yeah, yeah.
664
00:35:18.829 --> 00:35:20.789
And some people love it. It's kind of cool. Uh,
665
00:35:21.889 --> 00:35:23.889
but at the end of the day, I want like
666
00:35:24.070 --> 00:35:32.980
a studio. So, um, it's happening. Yeah. So, but, uh, yeah.
667
00:35:33.860 --> 00:35:42.030
So like, yeah. Um, but like, have you ever found
668
00:35:44.090 --> 00:35:49.010
something that, like during research that would have made great content,
669
00:35:50.050 --> 00:35:54.039
but decided not to use it because you couldn't support it.
670
00:35:56.010 --> 00:36:03.440
I think everything that we've spoken about, we will, we
671
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:07.039
will mention, but then again, like debunk it later. Like
672
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:10.340
one of them was the mobile Wolf woman from.
673
00:36:10.750 --> 00:36:11.070
Okay.
674
00:36:12.110 --> 00:36:15.110
No, I'm not saying the right, sorry. Mobile, Alabama. I. Yeah.
675
00:36:15.579 --> 00:36:17.420
I know what you're talking about, though.
676
00:36:17.420 --> 00:36:20.619
3,000 comments saying that my pronunciation of mobile was incorrect.
677
00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:21.739
So I've had to learn.
678
00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:22.659
Mobile.
679
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:30.489
Mobile. Mobile, Alabama. The story is ridiculous. Like, it really is.
680
00:36:31.389 --> 00:36:34.590
The fact that there's, like, a woman wolf running around.
681
00:36:34.829 --> 00:36:37.869
And it's one of those that, like, nobody actually saw clearly.
682
00:36:37.989 --> 00:36:39.929
And then one day, like, the newspaper kind of drew
683
00:36:39.969 --> 00:36:42.449
it out. And they were like, this is it. Like
684
00:36:42.489 --> 00:36:44.829
that's that's one that we talked about. And we said,
685
00:36:44.849 --> 00:36:46.670
you know, like it was a big deal. There was
686
00:36:46.710 --> 00:36:49.269
a big story in Alabama in the 70s. Like this
687
00:36:49.329 --> 00:36:52.880
is what people thought that they saw. And then quickly mentioned, like,
688
00:36:53.030 --> 00:36:55.800
is it real? Probably not. But this is the story.
689
00:36:55.860 --> 00:36:57.840
And it was crazy to have people who grew up
690
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.119
in Alabama at that time comment, be like, no, I
691
00:37:00.139 --> 00:37:02.760
remember this. I remember the story running. I remember like
692
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.340
all these pictures were up and around. It was really,
693
00:37:05.380 --> 00:37:08.159
really cool to see like the memory of that situation,
694
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:09.920
because it was kind of like a Slender Man situation
695
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.539
where it was a fad and then it disappeared. And
696
00:37:13.579 --> 00:37:16.519
now I feel like I see very few people talk
697
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:20.099
about it because I do think that that's one of
698
00:37:20.139 --> 00:37:24.929
the more far-fetched ones. But it's still a good story
699
00:37:24.989 --> 00:37:28.550
to tell. But we make a point of separating the
700
00:37:28.610 --> 00:37:30.949
stories from like the actual cryptid sightings.
701
00:37:31.349 --> 00:37:35.090
Yeah. What's your favorite story that you've talked about and
702
00:37:35.150 --> 00:37:35.929
told so far?
703
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:45.900
My favorite story. That's such a hard question because there
704
00:37:45.940 --> 00:37:50.179
are elements. Like, Snallygaster has such weird and great stuff
705
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.579
in it. Like, the fact that it was tied to
706
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:56.300
Prohibition and, you know, like, would be used to warn
707
00:37:56.340 --> 00:38:00.920
people to go away from whiskey mash, like, places and
708
00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:13.389
stuff like that. But I think comprehensive story-wise... I think Lizardman, actually.
709
00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:17.280
I think the story behind that one is really interesting.
710
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.639
And then it opens the door to a lot of
711
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.489
history that was going on in the South at that time,
712
00:38:23.469 --> 00:38:25.750
which I think adds a lot of interesting stuff to
713
00:38:25.829 --> 00:38:30.730
that entire encounter. So I would say it'd be that one. Or,
714
00:38:30.829 --> 00:38:33.250
I'm sorry, I know I'm listing so many. Beast of
715
00:38:33.289 --> 00:38:33.829
Bray Road.
716
00:38:34.869 --> 00:38:37.409
Which is just great. That's a great sighting.
717
00:38:37.780 --> 00:38:40.659
It's a great sighting, but it's a great just history story.
718
00:38:41.869 --> 00:38:45.150
that's recorded, like it's an actual recorded history of something.
719
00:38:45.170 --> 00:38:47.630
So that's one to me that also stands out. It's like, okay,
720
00:38:48.590 --> 00:38:51.309
like there might be something out there that we just
721
00:38:51.329 --> 00:38:52.269
haven't gotten to yet.
722
00:38:53.230 --> 00:38:59.929
Yeah. So like brought up metaphysical earlier, but I'm just
723
00:38:59.949 --> 00:39:02.260
going to kind of like, what do you do with
724
00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:07.849
cases where the creature report itself like sounds like I
725
00:39:07.909 --> 00:39:14.739
guess I'll say zoological, right? But the surrounding experience doesn't,
726
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:19.960
like lights and orbs and missing time and strange sounds. Right, right, right.
727
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.610
Electric interference, because I have some of the, like especially
728
00:39:23.659 --> 00:39:25.929
electric interference with Sasquatch, crazy.
729
00:39:26.110 --> 00:39:27.130
Yeah, yeah.
730
00:39:27.150 --> 00:39:30.329
Or just other bizarre phenomenon. So like at what point
731
00:39:30.750 --> 00:39:34.690
does that stop being cryptozoology.
732
00:39:33.909 --> 00:39:40.429
Right yeah it's an interesting question because i definitely don't
733
00:39:40.570 --> 00:39:45.090
discount the metaphysical aspects of especially sasquatch sightings that's actually
734
00:39:45.110 --> 00:39:47.789
the one that i get the most like interesting things
735
00:39:47.829 --> 00:39:50.250
around like jeremiah told me a story of like a
736
00:39:50.289 --> 00:39:53.449
woman who felt entirely at peace and then like saw
737
00:39:53.530 --> 00:39:56.369
something in the woods or something like that and it's
738
00:39:56.429 --> 00:40:00.869
not something that i discount it is an interesting question
739
00:40:00.889 --> 00:40:04.210
of when does it stop being cryptozoology and kind of
740
00:40:04.250 --> 00:40:06.849
something more almost paranormal i ask.
741
00:40:06.750 --> 00:40:09.409
It a lot yeah well i've seen a lot of
742
00:40:09.530 --> 00:40:13.019
orbs too and it's like what is going on like i.
743
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:21.019
Yeah I try to stick to the mantra that it
744
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:26.570
is cryptozoology if you see like a physical form, like
745
00:40:26.619 --> 00:40:30.070
even the orbs, for example, could potentially still be cryptozoology.
746
00:40:30.409 --> 00:40:32.710
And then if you don't see anything, but you're feeling
747
00:40:32.730 --> 00:40:35.210
a lot, that's like kind of what it does to
748
00:40:35.230 --> 00:40:40.409
the more paranormal side of things. I know in my
749
00:40:40.489 --> 00:40:42.579
personal paranormal experiences, I don't love to talk about it.
750
00:40:42.650 --> 00:40:47.300
I never saw anything. Right. saw like I only felt
751
00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:51.760
and experienced and like internally could feel a lot but
752
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.460
it was never like I never had like a sleep
753
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.539
paralysis demon appear before me or anything like that and
754
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.780
some people have and that's still valid um but I
755
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.670
try to maintain that if it's something that I could
756
00:41:03.769 --> 00:41:07.110
see and I could potentially like touch it's still a
757
00:41:07.130 --> 00:41:10.590
cryptid it's still something that's a species versus something that's
758
00:41:11.289 --> 00:41:14.639
more unexplainable or even like shadowy I put shadowy kind
759
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.150
of in In the paranormal side of things, shadow figures.
760
00:41:18.349 --> 00:41:19.269
Shadow people.
761
00:41:19.349 --> 00:41:24.730
Shadow people. Yeah, like that I keep in the paranormal side.
762
00:41:25.550 --> 00:41:26.909
But it's hard.
763
00:41:27.190 --> 00:41:32.409
It is, because the paranormal explanation sometimes becomes a convenient
764
00:41:32.469 --> 00:41:39.159
way of straight up explaining away the lack of biological evidence. Like,
765
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:42.599
for example, we can't find a body because it isn't
766
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:48.179
always physical. And it's like, I mean, is that a
767
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:52.340
legitimate possibility or does that make the claim impossible to test?
768
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.260
That's what I always come up against.
769
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.460
Yeah, no, that is kind of the ultimate question. Especially,
770
00:41:59.500 --> 00:42:02.340
I've heard a lot of Sasquatch stories that involve something
771
00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:06.289
disappearing right before people's eyes. I don't know if you've
772
00:42:06.469 --> 00:42:09.710
heard those too or if you've experienced something like that.
773
00:42:09.889 --> 00:42:10.550
What was it again?
774
00:42:10.570 --> 00:42:16.500
Sasquatch. Sightings of Bigfoot where the creature will, like, actually disappear. Oh, yeah.
775
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:22.019
Yeah. Into, like, a portal or... I've got a couple different....
776
00:42:24.369 --> 00:42:24.590
Yeah.
777
00:42:24.849 --> 00:42:27.769
I've had a couple different instances of different things. Not
778
00:42:28.150 --> 00:42:29.809
from me, but from people that I know.
779
00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:31.989
From other people. I'm interested to know, have you had
780
00:42:32.010 --> 00:42:34.449
a lot of experience with the portals and things like that?
781
00:42:35.449 --> 00:42:41.510
No, but... I wouldn't say directly like seeing portals, but
782
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.820
I can tell you where we do a lot of
783
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:51.840
research in Pennsylvania, there's a consistent, and I'm definitely not
784
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.159
the only one that hears these things.
785
00:42:53.179 --> 00:42:53.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
786
00:42:54.000 --> 00:43:01.260
There's a consistent metallic sound sometimes in the woods that
787
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:03.329
makes zero sense.
788
00:43:03.849 --> 00:43:04.289
Yeah, yeah.
789
00:43:05.090 --> 00:43:09.309
Zero, like a, like a door, like a literally like
790
00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:14.179
a cell door. Like you can like from a movie,
791
00:43:15.260 --> 00:43:19.940
like a prison movie where the, and, and that it
792
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.440
happens a decent amount where we do our research and
793
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.960
it's like, bro. And a lot of times it's accompanied
794
00:43:28.059 --> 00:43:31.519
with like, I get chills thinking about it.
795
00:43:31.909 --> 00:43:33.469
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
796
00:43:33.630 --> 00:43:38.789
And a lot of times it's accompanied with orbs. Mm-hmm.
797
00:43:39.110 --> 00:43:45.909
And then some sort of physical, whether it's whoops or
798
00:43:46.570 --> 00:43:53.300
wood knocks or samurai chatter or, yeah, it's like within,
799
00:43:53.980 --> 00:43:59.639
whenever we hear it, we know probably that night we're
800
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.989
going to have some activity. at our fire and it's
801
00:44:03.190 --> 00:44:06.889
so wacky and i tell people hey you want to
802
00:44:06.929 --> 00:44:09.969
experience this come out with me i you'll never want
803
00:44:10.010 --> 00:44:14.590
to do it again i promise you you know what
804
00:44:14.630 --> 00:44:18.489
i mean so it's like my kids are like nope
805
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.780
not doing it not going you know but it's pretty
806
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:29.480
wild yeah Anyway, it's not my show. Well, it's my show,
807
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:30.679
but it's about you.
808
00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:33.059
I know, I know. But I always love asking, again,
809
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:37.179
like the Sasquatch bits of it all. I do leave
810
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:38.300
to the field experts.
811
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.800
It's wild. And I wouldn't even say there's no field
812
00:44:41.900 --> 00:44:44.409
expert with me, but I spent 10 years in the
813
00:44:44.429 --> 00:44:49.769
military too. So I'm not afraid of anything to a fault.
814
00:44:50.449 --> 00:44:50.690
Right.
815
00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:51.869
Except for dog meat.
816
00:44:52.590 --> 00:44:54.130
And I don't blame you so much.
817
00:44:54.150 --> 00:44:56.500
But even then, it's like, yeah, whatever. Okay, dude. Come
818
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:58.079
at me. Come at me, bro.
819
00:44:58.699 --> 00:44:58.860
Yeah.
820
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.519
If you put like 13 things on your window, you're safe.
821
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:03.340
So that was pretty easy to avoid.
822
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:09.690
Yeah. So like, what's the strangest reoccurring detail you've encountered
823
00:45:09.750 --> 00:45:14.130
across reports that you don't have a good explanation for?
824
00:45:14.150 --> 00:45:16.489
Do you have an answer for that?
825
00:45:16.530 --> 00:45:20.489
Psychosis. You see that in Bray Road. You see that
826
00:45:20.590 --> 00:45:26.929
in Lizard Man. You see that in Dover Demon wasn't psychosis,
827
00:45:26.969 --> 00:45:30.869
but the guy, like, refused to talk about it. He actually, like,
828
00:45:31.949 --> 00:45:34.829
his name is Billy something. I forget what his last
829
00:45:34.869 --> 00:45:36.550
name is. I think it also starts with a B.
830
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.239
But after he made his report, obviously, you know, blew up.
831
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.000
Craziness was really, really interesting. Like, everybody, like, flooded in
832
00:45:44.019 --> 00:45:46.019
to try to find out what this thing was. And
833
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.059
he tried to distance himself from it so much because, like,
834
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.030
he didn't want to talk about it anymore. Like, after
835
00:45:52.090 --> 00:45:54.780
it happened. And I think that's also telling is like
836
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.050
how people react to the story being told after the fact.
837
00:45:58.070 --> 00:46:01.170
I think it's easy to catch the people who are
838
00:46:01.210 --> 00:46:03.730
continuing to seek attention from those that really just don't
839
00:46:03.750 --> 00:46:08.280
want to talk about it after the original sighting. So
840
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:14.920
that's one to me that's interesting. But yeah, I think
841
00:46:15.619 --> 00:46:18.099
the symptom that is the most interesting to me is
842
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.039
that sudden like oh my God, I saw something and
843
00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:23.469
I'm actually going crazy because nobody is believing me and
844
00:46:23.510 --> 00:46:25.690
it's like freaking me out to the point. And some
845
00:46:25.710 --> 00:46:27.929
people have tried to use that as an argument against
846
00:46:28.030 --> 00:46:31.070
certain witnesses saying like, oh no, like they were crazy
847
00:46:31.090 --> 00:46:34.550
the whole time, like obviously. But there really have been
848
00:46:34.630 --> 00:46:37.760
many that I've looked into where people get so scared
849
00:46:37.820 --> 00:46:41.780
that they, from that point forward, cannot function normally anymore
850
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:45.559
and have been institutionalized in some cases because of what
851
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.789
they saw. Yeah. And there's a couple more that I
852
00:46:49.829 --> 00:46:51.329
can't remember off the top of my head, but I
853
00:46:51.369 --> 00:46:53.949
know a story. This might have been Bray Road. It
854
00:46:53.989 --> 00:46:57.559
was like a woman and her daughter, and the daughter
855
00:46:58.139 --> 00:47:02.519
freaked out completely and then was institutionalized because of that sighting.
856
00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:07.039
But yeah, that would, I think, be the scariest to
857
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:12.989
me also, but something that's interesting that I've seen across
858
00:47:13.010 --> 00:47:14.070
several stories.
859
00:47:14.090 --> 00:47:18.239
That's a great point, because I... With my experiences, I've
860
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:23.679
got a couple guys that aren't here anymore because they
861
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.800
were never right after the incident. And I've interviewed so
862
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:28.550
many people, too.
863
00:47:28.909 --> 00:47:29.590
Yeah.
864
00:47:29.889 --> 00:47:32.769
Who have lived really hard lives. And that's kind of where,
865
00:47:33.269 --> 00:47:36.110
you know, I worked as a mental health professional for
866
00:47:36.150 --> 00:47:39.929
a while, too. And that's a very good point that
867
00:47:39.989 --> 00:47:43.449
you bring up. And it's just like if you break
868
00:47:43.489 --> 00:47:46.380
it all the way down, that was a turning point.
869
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.820
in their lives that happened and they, it broke, it
870
00:47:50.860 --> 00:47:51.699
kind of broke them.
871
00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:52.420
Yeah.
872
00:47:52.900 --> 00:47:53.199
Yeah.
873
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:54.019
Yeah.
874
00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:57.719
And I, which is super powerful. And you're like, Oh
875
00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.260
my gosh. Like, man.
876
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:00.420
Yeah.
877
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:01.320
Yeah.
878
00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:03.280
It's, it's pretty insane.
879
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.690
So I think, um, yeah. I wonder how you feel
880
00:48:07.730 --> 00:48:10.789
about this. Do you think cryptid stories sometimes tell us
881
00:48:10.849 --> 00:48:12.969
as much about human beings as.
882
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:14.369
Oh, yeah.
883
00:48:14.650 --> 00:48:17.050
As they do about whatever creature we're looking for.
884
00:48:17.130 --> 00:48:21.409
Entirely. Entirely. For sure. I mean, and I was talking
885
00:48:21.469 --> 00:48:25.190
to somebody else about this recently, and they had asked me, like,
886
00:48:25.670 --> 00:48:30.119
does research in different areas, like, is it different? Do
887
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.480
you find, like, differences researching in different areas? And I
888
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:37.400
definitely do. Like, even when I go physically out to areas,
889
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.940
because of the population there and, like, the culture that
890
00:48:41.090 --> 00:48:43.670
surrounds it. So I think different people come up with
891
00:48:43.710 --> 00:48:48.030
different explanations for things that happen in their lives. And like,
892
00:48:48.210 --> 00:48:52.750
we get stuff like the Rougarou, for example, dog man,
893
00:48:52.889 --> 00:48:55.860
but is really like a lesson for Catholic children. Like not,
894
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:57.320
not like.
895
00:48:58.300 --> 00:49:00.480
Where did that story come from? Kind of.
896
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:05.219
Right. Exactly. So even though some people have had some
897
00:49:05.260 --> 00:49:09.480
kind of sighting from what I've read and from what
898
00:49:09.500 --> 00:49:13.860
I've been sent, um, it's interesting to kind of take
899
00:49:13.900 --> 00:49:16.869
that back to the beginning and see, well, did you
900
00:49:16.989 --> 00:49:19.969
actually see this or was it like your programming essentially?
901
00:49:20.329 --> 00:49:23.590
that has led you to construct something and it's that's
902
00:49:23.630 --> 00:49:28.260
like the fine line also between that psychosis thing that
903
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.500
we were just talking about that you have to think
904
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:32.320
about too.
905
00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:35.440
Also the cultural aspect of it too because you go
906
00:49:35.500 --> 00:49:38.539
back like people think Rougarou they think of Louisiana they
907
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:41.190
think of you know South But if you go up
908
00:49:41.230 --> 00:49:46.840
to Canada and to French-speaking Quebec and northern Maine, they
909
00:49:46.929 --> 00:49:51.579
also will call dog man or werewolves Rougarou. Yeah. Because
910
00:49:51.699 --> 00:49:53.980
that's where the folklore comes from.
911
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.900
Yeah. That's like the word, I think, for werewolf is Rougarou.
912
00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:58.239
Right.
913
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:01.090
Rougarou. So you kind of are like, oh, so it's like,
914
00:50:01.150 --> 00:50:05.010
is it different? Is it the same? Does it culturally? Because,
915
00:50:05.050 --> 00:50:10.179
you know, those cultures have... veered off the trail of
916
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:14.860
being completely united. So it's like, are we talking about
917
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.840
the same thing or not? Right. Yeah.
918
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:17.360
Yeah.
919
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.949
Yorona is an interesting one too. I don't count that
920
00:50:21.050 --> 00:50:24.929
as a cryptid necessarily, but I have heard several firsthand
921
00:50:24.969 --> 00:50:29.329
accounts of experiences with the spirit. So that's one that
922
00:50:29.369 --> 00:50:32.429
interests me also, because again, like it's also meant to
923
00:50:32.489 --> 00:50:37.530
be a story and, to kind of like scary straight essentially.
924
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:41.349
But yeah. So it's, it's an interesting place for those things.
925
00:50:41.809 --> 00:50:42.769
Don't go in the woods.
926
00:50:42.889 --> 00:50:43.269
Cause.
927
00:50:43.909 --> 00:50:48.090
Yeah. It's like, why do you think certain communities develop
928
00:50:48.150 --> 00:50:54.340
like incredibly strong cryptid traditions while other places with similar
929
00:50:54.389 --> 00:50:55.519
geography just don't.
930
00:50:57.019 --> 00:50:57.760
It's cultural.
931
00:50:57.980 --> 00:50:58.260
I think.
932
00:50:58.300 --> 00:50:58.500
Yeah.
933
00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:01.880
I think it all, it all stems from people because I'm,
934
00:51:02.659 --> 00:51:06.420
whether we like it or not, We are kind of
935
00:51:06.500 --> 00:51:12.840
like the master creators, right? And we have this amazing
936
00:51:12.909 --> 00:51:17.389
capacity to think, and hopefully most of us think. But
937
00:51:17.429 --> 00:51:20.090
we have this massive capacity to think and create and
938
00:51:20.230 --> 00:51:23.869
discover and create explanations for things that we would like
939
00:51:23.969 --> 00:51:29.190
explanations to. And that's where this stuff gets muddy sometimes also.
940
00:51:29.210 --> 00:51:34.030
Yeah, I think certain cultures also have a predisposition for
941
00:51:34.170 --> 00:51:40.309
the supernatural. whether it's comes from religious backgrounds or whatever,
942
00:51:40.409 --> 00:51:44.449
but you know, you do. And like, and then you
943
00:51:44.489 --> 00:51:46.769
have to look at this as like what happens when
944
00:51:46.809 --> 00:51:49.489
a cryptid becomes part of a town's identity.
945
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:51.719
Yeah. Right. Yeah.
946
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:57.619
Yeah. Right. So festivals and March and tourism and local
947
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.659
pride and, you know, yeah.
948
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:04.889
Yeah. I have at least one comment on every video
949
00:52:04.989 --> 00:52:07.670
I've ever made. You guys from Wisconsin, I don't know
950
00:52:07.710 --> 00:52:10.929
how you get around, so there is always a hoedag comment.
951
00:52:11.389 --> 00:52:12.849
And let me tell you, I didn't know what a
952
00:52:12.869 --> 00:52:15.860
hoedag was for so long until I started this. And
953
00:52:15.889 --> 00:52:19.800
now we're best friends. But that was crazy to me.
954
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:21.380
That was so funny.
955
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:26.079
Oh, my gosh. That's wild. Yeah, some people embrace it, man.
956
00:52:27.789 --> 00:52:33.320
But I also think that helps... It can. It's not exclusive,
957
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:38.179
but I think it helps preserve the history. It can
958
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:40.860
muddy the waters, but I do think it helps the
959
00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:47.539
original history, right? Absolutely. Or eventually make separating history from mythology.
960
00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:50.469
It can make it easier, but it can also make
961
00:52:50.510 --> 00:52:51.050
it harder.
962
00:52:52.429 --> 00:52:52.909
That's true.
963
00:52:53.469 --> 00:52:58.909
Yeah. So do you think people want.
964
00:53:00.730 --> 00:53:03.389
Cryptids to remain undiscovered.
965
00:53:05.230 --> 00:53:08.550
I think that there is like a romance about that
966
00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:11.690
right like it's always more interesting if it's just out
967
00:53:11.730 --> 00:53:13.090
of reach and we don't know what it is.
968
00:53:14.500 --> 00:53:19.380
The unknown right unknown yeah that's the there's a romanticism.
969
00:53:18.539 --> 00:53:22.079
Of it exactly exactly so like that's that's the interesting
970
00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:24.800
piece right is that can it even be proven it's
971
00:53:24.860 --> 00:53:26.579
out there I know it in my heart and I
972
00:53:26.619 --> 00:53:28.219
think a lot of the times that also stems from
973
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:30.239
some people who don't want it to be disproven right
974
00:53:30.699 --> 00:53:35.989
which I get, which I understand too. But yeah, I
975
00:53:36.030 --> 00:53:39.610
think most of the time, the allure of the unknown
976
00:53:39.909 --> 00:53:43.789
is almost more interesting to us than finding it. Because,
977
00:53:43.809 --> 00:53:45.510
I mean, if we think about the animals that used
978
00:53:45.530 --> 00:53:48.199
to be cryptids that are now normal animals, like a platypus.
979
00:53:49.059 --> 00:53:49.739
Oh, wild.
980
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:51.820
A platypus, if we had never seen it before, oh
981
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.019
my gosh, this amazing creature, the platypus. But now that
982
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:56.559
we have them, it's like, yeah, okay, it's a platypus,
983
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:59.510
so what? So I do think that they would lose
984
00:53:59.550 --> 00:54:02.909
some of their charm, honestly, if they became like these creatures.
985
00:54:04.989 --> 00:54:07.670
The platypus doesn't even make sense. I know.
986
00:54:07.869 --> 00:54:09.869
No. And that's why people thought it was a hoax forever.
987
00:54:09.989 --> 00:54:13.250
And I get it. What kind of mammal lays eggs
988
00:54:13.489 --> 00:54:16.320
and has a bill and all these crazy things?
989
00:54:16.340 --> 00:54:17.300
Venomous spurs.
990
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:18.179
Yeah, exactly.
991
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:20.219
I mean, come on. What is happening there?
992
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.179
Crazy stuff.
993
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:26.199
I mean, because finding Bigfoot. Would answer the question right.
994
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:30.519
But it would also end one of the greatest mysteries.
995
00:54:31.340 --> 00:54:31.699
Of all time.
996
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.579
In American folklore, period. Absolutely.
997
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:35.800
Absolutely.
998
00:54:36.340 --> 00:54:38.199
Then what do we do? What would I do?
999
00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:39.940
Go hunt dog, man.
1000
00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:40.920
I guess so.
1001
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:45.760
Good luck out there. No, it definitely would. And I
1002
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:48.780
think that's, you know, when cryptids stop becoming cryptids and
1003
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:50.789
start becoming animals, it's a lot less.
1004
00:54:51.630 --> 00:54:51.949
Yeah.
1005
00:54:51.969 --> 00:54:54.309
A lot less razzle dazzle that way.
1006
00:54:56.010 --> 00:55:02.090
That's a good way to put it, yeah. What's one
1007
00:55:02.429 --> 00:55:06.219
cryptid case you think the community, you know, the cryptid
1008
00:55:06.260 --> 00:55:09.800
community focuses on far too much?
1009
00:55:09.820 --> 00:55:12.639
No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
1010
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:17.239
No, you can. It's definitely true. I mean, it's the
1011
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:18.039
big guy, right?
1012
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:20.440
But yeah, but just to say that because he's the
1013
00:55:20.500 --> 00:55:22.360
big guy, I'm trying to think of another one that's
1014
00:55:22.420 --> 00:55:25.820
maybe like, Well, I mean, the easy answer for me
1015
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:26.579
would be Mothman.
1016
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:28.519
Yeah.
1017
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.570
I do think that people focus more on the idea
1018
00:55:32.619 --> 00:55:34.340
of the creature than the legend, so I think that's
1019
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:39.809
a little unfair, too. Yeah. I'm trying to think. I
1020
00:55:39.889 --> 00:55:42.389
have had one person, and I will only call this
1021
00:55:42.530 --> 00:55:45.090
out because it was kind of so ridiculous to.
1022
00:55:46.750 --> 00:55:46.989
Me.
1023
00:55:47.530 --> 00:55:50.250
We made a video about the squonk. Now, the squonk.
1024
00:55:50.809 --> 00:55:51.510
The squonk is.
1025
00:55:52.579 --> 00:55:55.869
Never has been said to really exist, ever. Like, nobody
1026
00:55:55.889 --> 00:55:58.309
is supposed to believe that it's real. That was the
1027
00:55:58.329 --> 00:56:01.090
whole point of it. It's so fake that, like, nobody actually.
1028
00:56:01.110 --> 00:56:05.190
It's like a skink... What is that? The skink? Anyway.
1029
00:56:05.429 --> 00:56:06.889
There's an animal. I don't know.
1030
00:56:06.949 --> 00:56:11.119
No, it's okay. But it's like, for example, a hoop snake. Like,
1031
00:56:11.139 --> 00:56:12.460
a hoop snake is not going to be out there,
1032
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.880
as much as we love the idea of a hoop snake. So...
1033
00:56:15.590 --> 00:56:17.219
We did the video on the swamp and I had
1034
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.920
someone message me and they were like, I just don't
1035
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:23.599
understand like why you didn't like talk about some of
1036
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.000
the sightings and like the stories. Like it's definitely out there,
1037
00:56:27.099 --> 00:56:30.590
like super legitimately upset that I did not give it
1038
00:56:30.630 --> 00:56:32.869
the time of day. And I was like, I can
1039
00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:36.349
show the origin to you in the book. I forget
1040
00:56:36.409 --> 00:56:38.429
like the exact name of the book, but it's like
1041
00:56:38.750 --> 00:56:42.090
Fearsome Creatures of the Lumberwoods. That's like from a book.
1042
00:56:42.769 --> 00:56:45.110
Like maybe it was a lumberjack story before that, but
1043
00:56:45.150 --> 00:56:47.349
it's not anything that I can like go out and
1044
00:56:47.690 --> 00:56:51.760
go grab. But there are some like that that just
1045
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:53.159
crack me up a little bit.
1046
00:56:53.980 --> 00:56:55.280
Like Squonkapalooza.
1047
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:58.460
Squonkapalooza. I do know a lady who runs it and
1048
00:56:58.500 --> 00:57:01.300
I do love her. So Lisa, this is not for you.
1049
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.539
Yeah, it's because that's where we do a lot of
1050
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:05.739
our Bigfoot stuff is in.
1051
00:57:06.219 --> 00:57:10.500
The allegheny national forest yeah yeah so pennsylvania.
1052
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:13.019
Yeah so we get i get the squonk all the
1053
00:57:13.059 --> 00:57:16.199
time i hear about it all the time but yeah
1054
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.090
never never seen anything never you know.
1055
00:57:19.449 --> 00:57:22.849
Well i think that's because it's fake but but i
1056
00:57:22.889 --> 00:57:25.690
love the story it's a great it's a great concept
1057
00:57:25.849 --> 00:57:28.440
and it's a great stuffed animal so i mean check
1058
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.239
marks for all of those but yeah as far as
1059
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:32.679
like actual cryptid.
1060
00:57:33.139 --> 00:57:36.480
So, like, what's one obscure case that you think deserves
1061
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.219
more serious investigation than it gets?
1062
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.260
Oh, Van Meter Visitor is the easy answer. Oh, no,
1063
00:57:43.300 --> 00:57:45.510
you know what, though? I won't be basic, and I'll
1064
00:57:45.550 --> 00:57:48.449
give you the Enfield Horror. I think it's really interesting.
1065
00:57:48.909 --> 00:57:52.530
I think that one is super, super interesting, and it
1066
00:57:52.570 --> 00:57:57.619
was never, like, formally... That investigation was never fully finished.
1067
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.639
There were, like, two sightings that were... pretty much confirmed
1068
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:04.119
hoaxes but i do think that the original story even
1069
00:58:04.139 --> 00:58:06.519
though it's a little odd has a lot of credibility
1070
00:58:07.980 --> 00:58:10.840
um so that would be my choice for like if
1071
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:13.980
if something were to be investigated further i'd really be
1072
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.619
interested but it's interesting too you know like that was
1073
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:18.750
the 70s if there were one of these things like
1074
00:58:18.769 --> 00:58:20.369
maybe it's dead and we won't ever see it again
1075
00:58:20.510 --> 00:58:24.610
right yeah yeah also um but that one has always
1076
00:58:24.670 --> 00:58:30.460
interested me very legitimately um it's an interesting one I
1077
00:58:30.500 --> 00:58:31.079
really like that.
1078
00:58:31.420 --> 00:58:35.030
Yeah. Is like, is there in a location that you
1079
00:58:35.170 --> 00:58:39.190
genuinely like to investigate? Not, not because it's famous, but
1080
00:58:39.250 --> 00:58:43.510
because you think there's an, a reasonable chance something is
1081
00:58:43.610 --> 00:58:46.219
actually happening there. Like a place that you really want
1082
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:46.489
to go.
1083
00:58:47.539 --> 00:58:48.840
Does underwater count?
1084
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:50.699
Yes, of course.
1085
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:55.500
No, I mean, I coming, like growing up in Florida,
1086
00:58:55.739 --> 00:58:59.449
I'm from Miami. So yeah, I would love to go
1087
00:58:59.489 --> 00:59:01.420
see the bottom of the ocean. And I've always grown
1088
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.000
up like revering the ocean and fearing the ocean.
1089
00:59:04.409 --> 00:59:07.869
Um i think understand i mean the bermuda triangle's right
1090
00:59:07.889 --> 00:59:09.530
there it's.
1091
00:59:08.889 --> 00:59:10.860
True you just go hang out in there for a
1092
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:13.039
little bit although that'd be dangerous i think for like
1093
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:22.480
geopolitical at this point yeah i would say i mean
1094
00:59:22.579 --> 00:59:25.340
i'm i guess being from miami also i'm a jungle
1095
00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:28.809
girl i think the amazon would be incredibly interesting I
1096
00:59:28.889 --> 00:59:31.670
have a couple cryptid stories from that area, but not
1097
00:59:31.690 --> 00:59:36.309
too many that I've heard. But I'd also like to
1098
00:59:36.349 --> 00:59:38.730
do a more thorough look at the Everglades because that
1099
00:59:38.789 --> 00:59:40.769
is kind of home to me. I grew up being
1100
00:59:40.829 --> 00:59:43.309
out there all the time. And I think coming back
1101
00:59:43.369 --> 00:59:47.110
through this lens would be really interesting. So those are
1102
00:59:47.429 --> 00:59:49.690
my big two, I think. The Amazon and the Everglades.
1103
00:59:50.949 --> 00:59:53.769
Which the Everglades, I mean, might be gone soon, which
1104
00:59:53.829 --> 00:59:56.670
is also crazy. So I wonder also how our development
1105
00:59:56.710 --> 01:00:02.179
will impede these these creatures and these investigations that we
1106
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:03.340
go on, you know?
1107
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:08.670
Yeah. So we're kind of coming to an end here
1108
01:00:08.690 --> 01:00:12.070
and I am going to ask you the final question.
1109
01:00:12.949 --> 01:00:17.090
Hit me. What's the question nobody asks you that you
1110
01:00:17.110 --> 01:00:18.070
wish somebody would?
1111
01:00:18.090 --> 01:00:24.800
The question nobody asks me that I wish somebody would.
1112
01:00:24.820 --> 01:00:28.760
It's probably this question.
1113
01:00:29.420 --> 01:00:34.730
Yeah, really. Actually, I really wish nobody asked me this question. No,
1114
01:00:34.869 --> 01:00:38.389
I'm joking. I think, honestly, it would be like, how
1115
01:00:39.010 --> 01:00:41.670
do I get started? Like, how do I start investigating?
1116
01:00:41.769 --> 01:00:43.789
How do I start doing these things?
1117
01:00:43.809 --> 01:00:44.929
So answer this question.
1118
01:00:45.349 --> 01:00:49.130
So I would say, go support your local library. No,
1119
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:51.760
it's so cool.
1120
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:53.139
Yeah, so true.
1121
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.780
The thing that I find fascinating is going into your
1122
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.949
own backyard and seeing what's out there. Like Van Meter, Iowa,
1123
01:00:59.969 --> 01:01:02.469
I think is a population of like 2000 people. Not really,
1124
01:01:02.590 --> 01:01:05.849
but like it's around that number. It is not more
1125
01:01:05.909 --> 01:01:10.130
than a five digit number. So go see what is
1126
01:01:10.309 --> 01:01:13.750
in your backyard and then learn more also from the
1127
01:01:13.789 --> 01:01:16.989
people around you and go be in nature. Go experience
1128
01:01:17.030 --> 01:01:19.920
things for good or bad. You know, like those experiences
1129
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:21.699
are going to be the things that shape you and
1130
01:01:22.420 --> 01:01:23.800
your perception also.
1131
01:01:23.820 --> 01:01:24.679
Touch grass, right?
1132
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:27.840
Touch grass, dude. Yeah. But I was talking to somebody
1133
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:33.239
recently and I wonder sometimes if my paranormal experiences, like
1134
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.900
I worked so hard to shut that down, that maybe
1135
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:40.360
like I'm shutting down my ability to feel the biological
1136
01:01:40.409 --> 01:01:44.579
side of things. So I think bottom line, read about it,
1137
01:01:44.630 --> 01:01:47.710
but also go be in nature and experience it and
1138
01:01:47.769 --> 01:01:50.750
learn more about real creatures so that you can identify
1139
01:01:50.769 --> 01:01:52.739
the real creatures from the ones that we have not
1140
01:01:52.780 --> 01:01:56.340
yet identified. That would be my answer to that.
1141
01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:00.760
Beautiful. Tell everyone where they can find you again.
1142
01:02:01.340 --> 01:02:04.920
So everybody, you can find us on YouTube, Instagram and TikTok.
1143
01:02:05.380 --> 01:02:07.639
And we do have a book coming out shortly, like
1144
01:02:07.659 --> 01:02:11.519
we mentioned before. So you can check that out on Amazon. Awesome.
1145
01:02:12.340 --> 01:02:13.880
Thank you so much for coming on.
1146
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:15.519
Thank you for having me.
1147
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:16.440
Absolutely.
1148
01:02:18.940 --> 01:02:19.860
They said they saw it.
1149
01:02:21.260 --> 01:02:22.280
They swear it was there.
1150
01:02:24.019 --> 01:02:28.940
But every time the story gets told, something changes. Or legend.
1151
01:02:30.269 --> 01:02:34.010
Run it tell me what you saw something in the
1152
01:02:34.070 --> 01:02:39.010
tree line something standing tall nobody knows a thousand stories
1153
01:02:39.030 --> 01:02:42.650
spreading but where's the proof it shows tell me what
1154
01:02:42.670 --> 01:02:45.289
you see big foot in the mountains mothman in the
1155
01:02:45.309 --> 01:02:49.269
streets anything could be but once the story turns to.
1156
01:02:49.170 --> 01:02:51.570
Myth what can you believe.
1157
01:02:50.929 --> 01:02:54.179
Tracks in the mud noise in the trees something keeps
1158
01:02:54.219 --> 01:02:55.599
moving but nobody.
1159
01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:59.039
I can make it. So what do you trust?
1160
01:02:59.079 --> 01:02:59.340
That's true.
1161
01:03:21.269 --> 01:03:24.510
Don't tell me what you want to believe. Tell me
1162
01:03:24.590 --> 01:03:27.530
exactly what your own eyes could see. No label, no legend,
1163
01:03:27.550 --> 01:03:32.150
no explanation. Before the internet hands you the interpretation.
1164
01:03:32.190 --> 01:03:33.050
Tell me what you saw.
1165
01:03:33.070 --> 01:03:35.849
Something in the tree line, something standing tall.
1166
01:03:37.190 --> 01:03:38.289
Nobody knows.
1167
01:03:38.369 --> 01:03:40.769
A thousand stories spreading, but where's the proof it shows?
1168
01:03:44.110 --> 01:03:48.090
There's modern man in the streets Anything could be But
1169
01:03:48.170 --> 01:03:50.949
once the story turns to myth What can you believe?
1170
01:03:50.969 --> 01:03:54.030
TikTok changes it Reddit gives it names YouTube cuts the
1171
01:03:54.070 --> 01:03:55.929
footage Now the whole thing ain't the same First it
1172
01:03:55.989 --> 01:03:58.730
had white skin Now it's eight feet tall First it
1173
01:03:58.750 --> 01:04:02.469
walked away Now it vanishes through walls Portals, orbs Missing
1174
01:04:02.510 --> 01:04:05.130
time again Metal in the forest With no reason for
1175
01:04:05.170 --> 01:04:08.090
the sound Knocks in the timber Voices in the night
1176
01:04:08.110 --> 01:04:09.349
Something circling.
1177
01:04:08.929 --> 01:04:10.190
The fire But it never hits.
1178
01:04:10.150 --> 01:04:11.869
The light I don't need to tell you what you're
1179
01:04:11.889 --> 01:04:14.360
supposed to I think give me the story.
1180
01:04:14.380 --> 01:04:17.159
Let me follow every link. Cause a perfect story can
1181
01:04:17.179 --> 01:04:19.360
still be a lie and a terrible photograph.
1182
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:27.030
Boss man real dog man real sasquatch real wendigo legend
1183
01:04:27.409 --> 01:04:31.349
or something else hey don't name it yet watch it
1184
01:04:31.570 --> 01:04:35.250
hear it study it then we talk real or legend.
1185
01:04:34.690 --> 01:04:37.150
Tell me what you saw something in the tree line
1186
01:04:37.190 --> 01:04:41.239
something standing tall real or legend nobody knows a thousand
1187
01:04:41.260 --> 01:04:42.159
stories spreading but.
1188
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:43.699
Where's the proof it shows.
1189
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:47.500
Tell me what you see, Bigfoot in the mountains, Mothman
1190
01:04:47.539 --> 01:04:49.090
in the streets.
1191
01:04:49.469 --> 01:04:51.869
Anything could be, but once the story turns to mess,
1192
01:04:51.909 --> 01:04:53.429
what can you believe?
1193
01:04:53.469 --> 01:04:56.250
Some people see it and never come back right. Some
1194
01:04:56.289 --> 01:04:58.730
never speak about what happened that night. That tells me
1195
01:04:58.750 --> 01:05:02.230
something more than chasing fame. When somebody gets uncomfortable just
1196
01:05:02.250 --> 01:05:03.760
hearing that creature's name.
1197
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:05.780
What they saw, what they heard, what was moving just
1198
01:05:05.820 --> 01:05:06.559
beyond the woods.
1199
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:08.460
Could have been a bear, could have been a lion,
1200
01:05:08.500 --> 01:05:10.699
could have been something we haven't classified.
1201
01:05:13.650 --> 01:05:16.849
Maybe the monster isn't changing. Maybe the story isn't changing.
1202
01:05:36.030 --> 01:05:45.900
.
1203
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:49.980

1204
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.019

1205
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.139

1206
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.920

1207
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.900
.
1208
01:06:06.940 --> 01:06:07.139
Yeah.
1209
01:06:07.179 --> 01:06:07.320
Yeah.
1210
01:06:35.219 --> 01:06:35.880
They say they saw him.
1211
01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:38.489
They say he was there. But every time they tell
1212
01:06:38.510 --> 01:06:39.989
the story, something changes.
1213
01:06:40.010 --> 01:06:40.730
Real or legend.
1214
01:06:40.750 --> 01:06:40.820
Go!
1215
01:06:48.329 --> 01:06:52.519
Real or legend? Real or legend? Real or legend?
1216
01:07:09.349 --> 01:07:33.079
We'll be right back. But with artificial intelligence, who knows what?
1217
01:07:33.139 --> 01:07:36.860
They're going to put Dover, Demolish, Salman under the sun.
1218
01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:39.860
Break Road Dogman, something outside lost control. Old stories come
1219
01:07:39.889 --> 01:07:42.050
back again, but if 100 people talk, we ignore them too.
1220
01:07:42.070 --> 01:07:44.369
Don't tell me what you want to believe.
1221
01:07:44.429 --> 01:07:47.650
Tell me exactly what you could see. Without a name,
1222
01:07:47.690 --> 01:07:52.619
without a story, without an explanation. Before the internet writes
1223
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:53.659
the conclusion.
1224
01:07:55.409 --> 01:07:58.230
Real or legend? Tell me who you are. A shadow
1225
01:07:58.250 --> 01:08:00.590
in the woods and you don't know what it is.
1226
01:08:00.610 --> 01:08:04.280
Real or legend? Nobody knows well. A thousand stories running,
1227
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:07.559
but where are the proofs? Come on. Legend. Tell me
1228
01:08:07.579 --> 01:08:11.900
who you are. Bigfoot in the mountains, Mossman again. Real
1229
01:08:12.380 --> 01:08:12.719
or legend?
1230
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:14.440
It can all be, but when the myth is born,
1231
01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:17.720
you don't know what to believe. If everything changes, Reddy
1232
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.899
names it, YouTube cuts it and enlarges the shadow.
1233
01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:22.420
Real. Dog man.
1234
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:22.720
Real.
1235
01:08:50.890 --> 01:08:52.090
We'll be right back. Real Sasquatch.
1236
01:08:52.109 --> 01:08:52.670
Real.
1237
01:08:52.829 --> 01:08:53.760
Buendigo.
1238
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:54.340
Leyenda.
1239
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.880
O algo más.
1240
01:08:58.560 --> 01:08:58.699
Hey!
1241
01:09:01.180 --> 01:09:08.949
No pongan nombre todavía. Míralo, escúchalo, investigalo. Después hablamos. Real
1242
01:09:09.210 --> 01:09:12.250
o leyenda.
1243
01:09:12.270 --> 01:09:14.590
Dime que tú eres una sombra en el bosque y
1244
01:09:14.630 --> 01:09:15.729
no sabes qué es.
1245
01:09:15.750 --> 01:09:16.949
Real o leyenda.
1246
01:09:16.970 --> 01:09:20.560
Nadie sabe bien mi historia corriendo, pero prueba dónde están.
1247
01:09:20.569 --> 01:09:22.260
Real o leyenda.
1248
01:09:22.270 --> 01:09:24.600
Dime que tú eres pico y fute en la montaña,
1249
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:25.760
Mothman otra vez.
1250
01:09:25.779 --> 01:09:29.279
Real o leyenda. Todo puede ser, pero cuando nace el
1251
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:30.479
mito ya no sabes qué crees.
1252
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:34.399
There are people who saw it and it was never
1253
01:09:34.420 --> 01:09:37.479
the same. People who left without wanting to tell it.
1254
01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:41.340
That weighs more than looking for attention when someone is
1255
01:09:41.420 --> 01:09:44.300
afraid to mention it. What happened, what he found, what
1256
01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:46.359
that night in the forest he looked at.
1257
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.500
It could be a bear, it could be fiction, it
1258
01:09:48.539 --> 01:09:50.680
could be something.
1259
01:09:49.819 --> 01:09:51.340
That has no classification.
1260
01:09:51.380 --> 01:09:53.760
And here's the question that no one wants to ask.
1261
01:09:53.779 --> 01:09:56.319
If tomorrow we find Bigfoot, what are we going to lose?
1262
01:09:56.340 --> 01:09:58.680
Because when you have a name, number and location, part
1263
01:09:58.760 --> 01:09:59.939
of the mystery ends and begins.
1264
01:10:04.489 --> 01:10:06.689
Maybe the monster isn't changing.
1265
01:10:08.130 --> 01:10:13.829
Maybe the story is. Maybe the story isn't changing.
1266
01:10:14.149 --> 01:10:15.619
Maybe we are.
1267
01:10:28.229 --> 01:10:28.850
Real or legend?
1268
01:10:28.890 --> 01:10:31.350
Tell me that you see a shadow in the forest
1269
01:10:31.449 --> 01:10:32.550
and you don't know.
1270
01:10:32.369 --> 01:10:34.439
What it is. Real or legend?
1271
01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:36.020
No one knows my stories well.
1272
01:10:36.229 --> 01:10:41.579
I'm running, but try where you are. Something is still there.
1273
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:49.180
Even if history changes, something made noise here. Real or legend?
1274
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:51.600
I'm not going to solve it.
1275
01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:55.539
Because when the myth is born, you no longer know
1276
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:57.100
what to believe.
1277
01:11:00.140 --> 01:11:01.180
Yeah, yeah.
1278
01:11:01.260 --> 01:11:02.020
Yeah, yeah.