Five and Dive, Episode 590: Fraud Watch on FOX

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Thank you. Welcome to episode 590 of Five and Dive.
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It is, I don't know, it's October 20th, guys.
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Tuesday, Craig, Tuesday.
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Tuesday. I know what day it is. It is Tuesday,
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October 20th. I'm your host, Craig Goldstein, joining us as usual.
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You remember your name, that's good.
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Yeah, we're working on it. Show me the cognitive tests
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of the animals later and we'll see how it goes.
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Yep.
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That voice you heard was Jeffrey Paternostro. The voice you
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haven't heard and might not hear for several minutes, depending
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on his mood, is Patrick Dubuque. We are back to
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five and dive. Oh, Patrick, I just remembered what I
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wanted to do for banter. You don't have to remind me.
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Well, I mean, we have an open spot on number five,
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so maybe you should just save it. No, there's a...
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I thought.
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Colin sent like three games then. Colin sent like three games,
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so we're.
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Not doing that. Why waste one of your... You're wasting
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a game as banter. It's like one-tenth of a game.
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All right, fine.
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Jeffrey, I'm giving you a pop quiz.
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Not you. You and Patrick. I would like you to
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tell me there are 44 pitchers. Mm-hmm.
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That threw 30 plus starts last year.
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Okay.
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I want to do essentially a small version of a
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game that Patrick, you know, where you get, you get
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three guesses and you can have, I'm not even going
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to keep tracking that thing, but I just want to
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see some of these names absolutely blew me away.
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I suspect there are enough that are obvious. Sure. That
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you can avoid any real landmines here. Yeah. But. Oh no.
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I'm just going to, since this doesn't count for me,
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I'm just going to try to pick the funniest ones
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I could think of.
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Yeah.
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There are some wild ones.
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Yeah.
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So, so I, there are someone made 34.
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Okay.
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So they will get the most starts or the most
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points or whatever that I'm not going to keep track of,
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but you know, and it descends from there. So, uh, you,
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we do this usually not in a booth. So, you know,
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feel free.
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Yeah.
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Um, I think it'd be somebody that got traded, you
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would think.
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I'm going to go with Alcantara.
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Yeah, that's fair enough.
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That's the easy one.
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He is number five on our list. He's tied for second.
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33 starts.
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33 starts.
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36 games. Yeah, 36 games. 36 games, yes.
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I will go with Cam Schlittler. Cam Schlittler, also tied
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for second.
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33 starts.
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33 starts, okay.
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Now I feel like I've got some names and I
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there's certain pitchers that you're like I didn't hear this
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person's name spoken all year so they must have started
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32 games right because there's only one there's two ways
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that you never get talked about and that is if
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you don't pitch and that is if you don't stop
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pitching so like the name Landon Roop really I did
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not think about Landon Roop at all but he also
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didn't get hurt like I don't think it hurt. I
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think it was just there.
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Patrick, I am sorry. This is a landmine. He did
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make 29 starts. 29 starts, yeah.
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But not 30. Okay.
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Sometimes you're just going to skip Landon Roop's turn if
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you get a rain out.
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No, you're not. Not with the other Giants pitchers. All right.
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I will go with– I'm trying to think of who
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might be 34, and I feel like it would be
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someone that would load on either side of the all-star
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break to do it that way. So I'm going to
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go with Sonny Gray.
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Okay.
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It is not Sonny Gray. Sonny Gray had 29 starts.
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What? Sorry, so you've both hit a lead. Wow.
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I should have gone with the... I thought Sonny Gray
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was very safe.
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Another guy I did not think about once all year.
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We probably talked about him, but I also talked about
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him and did not think about him. Shane Boz. Shane
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Boz had to be pitching constantly.
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Shane Boz had 31 starts.
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All right, there you go.
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All right, so I got to beat 31 because we
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both got 32 on the first one.
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That's right. Well, you both got 33 on the first one.
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33 on the first one. All right, I am going
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to go with Freddy Peralta.
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Switching teams. I think you got an extra one. You
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did it, Jeffrey. Yep, 32.
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You matched him by one start. 32 starts. Now, first
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in the category.
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Can I guess?
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Yeah, sure.
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If I say it, for some reason it would be
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very funny in my mind if it was Chris Bassett.
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See, I was thinking Jeffrey Springs.
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Springs was hurt.
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Chris Bassett got hurt.
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Oh, Bassett did get hurt. Okay. I don't know.
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I know that because I just edited his comment.
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Bassett missed time and I didn't hear about it because
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it's Chris Bassett. Yeah.
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It is Mackenzie Gore.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's a good, that's definitely a guy you just did
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not hear about this year.
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Well, and also like a guy who routinely used to
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miss time.
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Yes. Yeah.
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I know he's made a lot of starts the last
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couple of years, but the names, so like the obvious
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names I thought you would have gone for, Christopher Sanchez,
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Aaron Nola, the Phillies guys who just post.
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One of the Mariners pitchers that I own, probably Logan Gilbert.
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Yes, Logan Gilbert had 32 starts. Tanner Bybee had 33.
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I thought Patrick might have gone with Bybee.
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You're right. I actually had to look that up at
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some point. Yeah, I think last night. Because game one starter, right?
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Like your opening day starter. Yeah.
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Seth Lugo with 32. I just like the number of
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guys who had missed a lot. Like Shota Imanaga had
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32 starts.
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The Cubs had a lot of numbers. He was like
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the one guy. They're one number three starter that stayed healthy.
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Yeah. Jacob DeGrom and Dustin May each made 31 starts
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this year. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Anthony Kay made 31 starts.
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I mean, choices were made there.
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That's like you are active. It's like, You know, there's
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like this, I don't know, like this like relationship advice
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you hear sometimes where you like, you have to actively
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wake up and choose your partner every morning. Like the
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White Sox woke up and actively chose to pencil in
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Anthony Kaye's name.
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31 times.
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31 times, yeah.
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Joey Cantillo, 30 starts.
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It's very funny that there's all these guardians pitchers.
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Kyle Lane.
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Yeah, that's a good one.
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30 starts.
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Did Peyante get there too?
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Did who?
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Peyante get there too? I feel like he's never.
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I feel like every Cardinals pitcher just pitched 30 starts.
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Pallante got 29.
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Oh, well. Yeah.
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It's just, like, the number of guys that I associate with, like,
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did you know Grant Holmes made 29 starts?
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I mean, I believe it.
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I thought he was hurt.
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I did not know, but I believe it. No, he
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was never hurt.
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He's just not really a starter. Everyone in that rotation
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was hurt. I like how every team's Landon Root got
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29 starts.
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And I do have to say, the inspiration for this
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was I was editing another comment.
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Yeah.
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Legitimately floored by the fact that Walker Bueller made 32
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starts this year.
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Yeah. Honestly, that was another, never heard of him. I'm
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doing a moment. It hit you. Like it hit me.
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No, I'm trying to a Padres. It took me a second.
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Okay.
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It just took me a second. He was there with Marquez.
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I mean, it all makes sense when you're.
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Like, they have no one better. But again, like, Walker
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Bueller has not ever helped.
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It is very funny to listen to you just list
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off a bunch of Guardian starters they refused to start
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in the playoffs.
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Oh, also, yes, absolutely.
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You can take more than.
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Half of our starts this year in the regular season,
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but we will not start.
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In the playoffs.
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By the way, in the mold of always hurt, but
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somehow made 32 starts, Cade Cavalli.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, that's him.
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Yeah. I mean, sure.
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Like, yeah, sure.
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It makes sense.
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Except he's never had, he had been unhealthy for like
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three and a half years.
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How many Casey Mize make? It feels like he might've, uh, well,
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he got hurt with the, uh, with the, uh, Padres.
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Yeah. I don't know.
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It's just, uh, I don't know. Dumb, dumb little game
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to start us off. I don't know if you, uh,
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want to contribute any other banter on top of that.
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I have, I have a small piece of banter. Cause
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I was sure I was going to keep something short
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since we have like a hard out, but Craig decided
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to start with the game. Um, I do most of
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the cooking in the house because I like to cook.
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It's not a big kitchen. It's not a great setup,
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but whatever. I have my little... One of the most
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important things you need, you need your little kitchen towels
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to wipe out pots. Most people hang them over the
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little handle on my oven. Lately, I've noticed they keep
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ending up on the floor. I'm like, what is happening?
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You have to They keep sliding off. We'll get, we'll
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get there, Craig. They keep sliding off on the floor,
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but just like, but, and then finally this weekend while
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I was making chili, the, uh, the puppy just walks
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up to me, like puts it like stamped on his
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hind legs, pulls it off. Doesn't take it anywhere. Just
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drops it on the floor. Like you would think he
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would take it somewhere where he smells food, but no,
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he just, all he does every time I tested it,
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it grabs another towel, put it on the thing, walks
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right back up, takes it off, puts it.
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On the floor.
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First of all, that is very cat behavior.
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He is very much a cat. Like the cat behavior
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is very, very present.
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And as someone who has been around cats, I immediately
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knew that this was a pet.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, it was like a child or a pet
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and it felt more like a pet.
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Yeah.
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Patrick, anything you want to contribute?
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No, no. My life has been the recaps that we
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will talk about.
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Okay.
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Our first segment the frauds are dead long live the
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frauds the rays have advanced to the world series uh
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they did it behind junior caminero and yandi diaz and
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some questionable decisions from the opposing manager.
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A shamefully forgetting Rishi Palacios in here.
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I apologize.
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There was a, a weird, uh, like he had to
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really reach out and poke slash pull.
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Pull. Yeah. I love those.
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Like, well, can poke be a pull?
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It's, um, it's more of a slash at that point. No,
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it's not. It's more of a, of a, can poke
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only be the opposite field or up?
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I think poke on the opposite field. That's kind of
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like a, it's a scoop. You just sort of scooped it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Flared it?
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Flare, I feel like, is off the hands.
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Oh, interesting. Okay. All right.
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Anyway, he yanked one with zero strength into right field
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for a base.
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Hit or RBI early?
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RBI double.
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Oh, right. It was a double, yeah. Two RBIs.
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I think he had the highest OPS on the Rays
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in the series.
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Sure.
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Not that that's saying much.
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Everybody else had one game, so yeah.
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Uh, so the rays took three straight. They were down
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to one. They, they walk off the series four to two.
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Um, I'm a little annoyed. The game yesterday didn't end
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three to one just for the, yeah. Yeah.
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Yandy DS had other ideas.
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Yeah.
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I guess that was even later.
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That was, that was the first one.
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They both teams tacked on some runs, uh, junior came
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an arrow just to start with.
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Well, I guess it was Palacios to start with, but yeah.
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Um, Junior Cameron Arrow got into another one, let's say.
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Taylor Walls was on. Let me ask you this. Did
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you have any issue with Brian Anderson's phrasing of on
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base for the fourth time?
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Yes. He did clarify.
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He did explain it.
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Yeah.
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Three walks and a fielder's choice.
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Yeah, he did the same thing.
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For Kwon, actually.
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But fielder's choice is not part of your on base percentage.
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Yeah. It's reaching base, but it's not reaching base safely.
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But also, reached on error, you would reach on base.
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I think we would consider on base if you reach
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on an error. Yes. Even though it does not go
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into your OBP? It should be in your OBP. It
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should be in your OBP. Catcher's interference? I don't know
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if catcher's interference goes.
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In or not.
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It does not. I wrote an article about this like 10,
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15 years ago, scathingly.
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What about a call? I mean, obviously, third strike, wild
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pitch that you reach on isn't.
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Out. That's an out and an error, yeah.
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That's out and an error, but.
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Hmm.
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You've given me something to think about. I do think
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reached on base is... I do think you can reach
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base when you reach on an error.
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Yeah.
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But you're reaching... But, yeah, if you were racing somebody
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else's runner to reach base, you were, like.
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You were net zero base runners.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's the issue.
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Anyway, Taylor Walls, four times physically on base.
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Yes, you made it.
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But when you walk Taylor Walls.
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Three times.
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Three times.
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Is that worse than walking Garrett Mitchell left on left?
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Absolutely. Oh, yeah. No, Taylor... Plus, Taylor Walls... Not that
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four games matters or five games matters, but Taylor Walls
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looked like somebody who was actively trying to get a
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prize for not reaching base.
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Like.
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He could not hit.
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He bunted a fair bit.
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Yeah. One of his two pre-ALCS game six hits was
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a bunt. And it was like, everybody agreed, yes, it
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is good for Taylor Walls. The traditionalists, the advanced guys.
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Do it, man.
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I posted something along these lines yesterday, but there was
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something to the effect of like, you know, a lot
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of people talking about the small ball stuff. And what
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I said yesterday was, it's been a complete and total
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victory for the small ball contingent. Thanks to these teams
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rostering guys that are so bad at offense. You can't
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do anything but the Alonzo morning nod when they sacrifice someone.
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Yeah.
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It's like, you know, Cooper Pratt, lay it down.
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Like Cooper Pratt is above the bar.
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It's like a six 80 OPS.
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I don't mean these teams. I don't really mean Milwaukee.
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Although if I was going to talk about, you know,
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maybe Joey Ortiz, you're like, okay, maybe, you know, Luis Lara,
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if he wants to bunt for a hit... I mean,
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any of these guys, if they want to bunt for
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a hit, like, okay. A lot of people, and I
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understand why, did not like Kike Hernandez's bunt that moved
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a guy over to bring up Shoya Otani with a
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guy on third. And, like, look, I think you can
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quibble with that in terms of Shoya Otani was bad, so, like,
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why are you moving a guy to third for a
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guy who's been terrible? But at the same time, like,
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If we're going to call, I am legitimately thinking of
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Joe Sheehan here because he spends a lot of time
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talking about the Dodgers bench and specifically Kike Hernandez as
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a mascot. And I don't think he's generally wrong. But
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if the guy's so bad that you're calling him a
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mascot more than a baseball player, I don't know that
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we get to be upset about when he bunts a
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guy over. He's so bad that you call him a mascot, right?
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Like that is at least the class of player that
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should ostensibly be doing this.
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Although this is the moment that he is supposed to
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turn into a real boy instead of a football player.
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There's a huge cognitive difference between what the Dodgers are
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doing and whatever. But like, if you think he stinks,
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then you probably don't think The bunt shouldn't be that bad.
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They should have rostered Hysong Kim, who definitely wouldn't have
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been bunting as well, and that's fine. Right.
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Well, yeah. He would have run faster first when he
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did bunt. Yeah. I mean, anyway, I don't mean to
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go back to the Dodgers. This is the Rays' Guardians.
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I don't know.
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Do we want to go back?
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I mean, all of these games were kind of the same.
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They were kind of the same. Yeah. I mean, especially
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5 and 6 had the same template, right? The Rays...
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Scratched out a few runs early. Couldn't quite finish the
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body off, right?
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Had their chances, but yeah.
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Well, I mean, right. Yeah. But it also never felt like,
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you know, sometimes when... 12 hits and three runs for
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the mix.
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I said this on For All You Kids Out There.
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My biggest issue with this series, which I thought was,
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you know, compelling in its own way to, I guess,
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you know, damn with faint praise, I suppose. It never
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felt like anything could change on one swing of the bat,
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even though these games were reasonably close, right? It was
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a lot of like Patrick Bailey is just going to
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pop up now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, in game five, the Guardians got the tying
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run to the plate in each of the last four innings.
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And it also did not feel like they were going.
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How many of them got erased on double plays, Patrick?
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Yeah, well, until the last two innings of game six,
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like it just felt like there might never be a
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home run again. Right. Everything seemed to die. Yeah.
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I mean, it was cold for the games in Cleveland.
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Right.
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Like there were a few. Caminero definitely hit one that
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would have been out on a even like average weather day.
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Right. But also, usually when a team strands eight runners
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in the first three innings, you think, oh, that team's
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going to lose. Karma that I want to believe in
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will destroy this team for leaving that many runners. And
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in this case, it didn't feel like that. It just
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felt like, yeah, they got three runs.
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Well, when their opponent is so enfeebled.
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And it's not. I'm taking shots at Cleveland, but Drew.
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Rasmussen was starting, was the other person. It was the
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Cleveland lineup versus one of the best pitchers in baseball.
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You know, it's the hydrogen bomb and coughing.
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Sure.
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I thought they were good games, though. Especially, I thought
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both games were.
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You've really been enjoying this, and I kept thinking, like,
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the American League has gotten to Patrick.
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Well... So, no, it wasn't explosive. It wasn't, like... It
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never felt dangerous. It never felt exciting. But it did, like,
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compared to... It was a nice picnic.
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It sounds like, yeah.
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Picnics are great, man.
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This sounds like very much Patrick baseball, yeah.
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Everyone loves picnics. Especially compared to the expanded playoffs. Everything
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felt so competent. There were no mental mistakes. What a
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thing to say about the Guardians. They were, though.
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An AL Central team.
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They weren't good, but they weren't screwing up. It was
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really just both teams were playing good defense. Except Patrick
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Bailey when it came to challenging a strike. You know,
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it was fine. Like nothing felt like this didn't feel
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like the first two rounds of just like, why are
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these teams here? It made sense that these two teams
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were here. Yes. On a scale of Milwaukee, Los Angeles.
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Two top seeds in the AL, we should mention again.
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Having the other series be done and not having, you know,
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like these great stars playing on the other day or
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like earlier in the afternoon, it did help.
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I follow your logic. But I also, I cannot, like,
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the Guardians should not have been here.
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I mean, yes. In a properly seated situation, I don't
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think they would have. I think it would have been
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another AL East team, but they got to knock each
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other off. Cleveland didn't have to face any of those teams.
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One reason it's tough for me to go along with
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it felt like these were the teams that should be
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here was Sean Armstrong started yet another playoff game.
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There was so much Tim Herron.
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That's not the point.
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There was so much Tim Herron.
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Also, I didn't get to address this the last time,
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but when I kept screaming about using Matt Festa.
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It was not like this.
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Not exciting screaming about Matt Vesta. Those guys, hold on.
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Use Matt Vesta when there's no reason to use anyone else.
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Why is Matt Vesta repeatedly in this series in leverage moments?
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I know he was obviously gassed as we saw when
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he came in in game six. But it's very funny
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to me that you're throwing a bullpen game down 3-2.
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And you create a situation where you can lose the
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game with Sean Armstrong, Tim Herron, and Matt Fessa.
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That's right.
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Like, you like.
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And then Joey Cantillo.
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Yeah.
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They went through those four arms before Espino, Sobrowski, Smith,
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and Gattis.
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Right.
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Now, again, as you said, several of those arms were gassed.
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Yeah.
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And look, the Rays.
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They might have been gassed because you kept using them
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for two innings while you were up four and five runs,
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Stephen Vogt.
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And look, the Rays... didn't actually break it open like
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they could have in the first three innings. They could
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have been down five or six nothing. And they were
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only down three.
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Yeah, Vogt kind of got away with it. Although in
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the end, he did not get away with it because
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in the end, he couldn't have.
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I feel like if you're throwing a bullpen game down,
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you've got to use Smith and Gaddis as soon as
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you can. Because you don't know if you're going to
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have a... You might be up a bunch.
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In the eighth.
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I don't mind holding them for like mid to later innings.
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Sure.
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But like, you probably do gotta use a Spino.
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Sure.
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Like, it shouldn't be Matt Festa.
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Yeah.
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And like, Matt Festa was in trouble.
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And the Spino, by the way, was the only pitcher
509
00:22:07.009 --> 00:22:10.230
on the entire team that velocity wasn't like a tick
510
00:22:10.269 --> 00:22:10.910
and a half down.
511
00:22:11.410 --> 00:22:11.549
Yeah.
512
00:22:11.569 --> 00:22:13.230
He was the only guy throwing as hard as he
513
00:22:13.289 --> 00:22:14.410
usually does, which is very funny.
514
00:22:14.430 --> 00:22:16.470
He had a day off, I'm pretty sure. That's probably why.
515
00:22:16.509 --> 00:22:16.730
Yeah.
516
00:22:17.769 --> 00:22:21.970
And like, Joey Cantillo's not bad.
517
00:22:22.990 --> 00:22:24.140
Sure, I mean, this all started by.
518
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But also, you.
519
00:22:24.940 --> 00:22:28.200
Weren't willing to pitch him, which is why we had
520
00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:29.880
Sean Armstrong and Tim Herron.
521
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:31.160
Yeah. So, like.
522
00:22:31.539 --> 00:22:34.740
I mean, this was all started by just using Parker
523
00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:36.740
Messick for two in Game 5.
524
00:22:36.740 --> 00:22:37.009
Right.
525
00:22:37.420 --> 00:22:39.049
Look, he didn't look great, but.
526
00:22:39.069 --> 00:22:39.549
He did not.
527
00:22:39.670 --> 00:22:41.509
You gotta give Parker Messick a chance to find it
528
00:22:41.730 --> 00:22:44.269
against that lineup before you go to Matt Festa and
529
00:22:44.309 --> 00:22:47.869
Tim Herron and for whoever else. You know you're playing...
530
00:22:48.650 --> 00:22:51.089
You know, probably at least three days in a row,
531
00:22:51.130 --> 00:22:54.069
probably four. Oh, they didn't end up being four.
532
00:22:54.089 --> 00:22:55.930
Yeah, it wouldn't have.
533
00:22:55.970 --> 00:22:57.529
It might have been four if they'd done it a
534
00:22:57.549 --> 00:23:02.170
little bit different in game five. But, yeah, I mean, look,
535
00:23:02.230 --> 00:23:05.849
at the... I don't like the way Vogt managed, I think.
536
00:23:07.349 --> 00:23:12.299
He was also limited by not trusting Bybee or Cantillo
537
00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.059
to start a game here and go once through.
538
00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:17.210
And that's the thing, is that you don't have to...
539
00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:20.420
We're not saying, like, Throw one of these guys five innings.
540
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:20.880
Right.
541
00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:22.599
And if you want to throw him behind an opener,
542
00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:24.940
you want to throw Cantillo behind Armstrong for three, whatever.
543
00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:26.480
That's like planned, whatever. Fine.
544
00:23:26.549 --> 00:23:26.740
Sure.
545
00:23:28.009 --> 00:23:30.730
I guess give them 10 batters or whatever.
546
00:23:30.789 --> 00:23:30.950
Right.
547
00:23:31.009 --> 00:23:33.930
Like nine, nine, 10 batters and see what happens.
548
00:23:34.130 --> 00:23:36.190
I will never forget Sean Armstrong is on the guardians
549
00:23:36.250 --> 00:23:37.849
and not the raise now, though, based on how much
550
00:23:37.950 --> 00:23:38.809
he pitched.
551
00:23:40.130 --> 00:23:43.690
Especially since the raise, like the raise, they got a
552
00:23:43.730 --> 00:23:46.230
lot of hits. There were a lot of flares. There
553
00:23:46.269 --> 00:23:46.490
were a.
554
00:23:46.509 --> 00:23:47.869
Lot of flares.
555
00:23:48.089 --> 00:23:49.750
Those hits were, some of them were pretty cheap.
556
00:23:49.769 --> 00:23:52.799
There were a lot of, like, opposite field singles by
557
00:23:52.859 --> 00:23:55.440
righties when the second baseman was shifted over, right? Right.
558
00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:58.579
Yeah. And to be fair to the Rays, like, it's
559
00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.279
not a criticism because they didn't strike out, especially in
560
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.680
game six. They just, like, of course they were going
561
00:24:03.700 --> 00:24:06.960
to get some flares because everything was going into play. Yeah.
562
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.289
But also, like, especially for the Messick thing, being like, yeah,
563
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:12.269
he's not finding the strike zone, but.
564
00:24:13.059 --> 00:24:16.380
And again, it's 2-2 in the series. You know you're
565
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.769
throwing a bullpen game tomorrow, right? You have to be
566
00:24:19.809 --> 00:24:23.730
able to plan past the next inning. I know I
567
00:24:23.750 --> 00:24:25.910
said this for the White Sox, and it came due
568
00:24:25.930 --> 00:24:27.369
for the Guardians of.
569
00:24:29.049 --> 00:24:29.819
The Series.
570
00:24:29.859 --> 00:24:32.279
The White Sox truly did not have.
571
00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:34.539
Yeah, but eventually tomorrow comes, right? If you try to
572
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:35.859
win the game in front of you, eventually you've got
573
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.109
to do it tomorrow, and eventually... And Kate Smith didn't
574
00:24:38.210 --> 00:24:40.470
even make a bad pitch, I suppose, to be fair.
575
00:24:40.539 --> 00:24:42.220
It wasn't a good pitch. It was a ball. Like,
576
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:43.380
it was a bad splitter.
577
00:24:43.940 --> 00:24:44.220
Yeah.
578
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:47.240
Weighing off the plate. And it just ended up not
579
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.329
mattering because somehow Junior Caminero kept it.
580
00:24:49.420 --> 00:24:51.759
Yeah. Because Caminero wanted to swing it anyway.
581
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:54.960
He wanted to swing it anyway. Yeah.
582
00:24:55.519 --> 00:25:01.230
Yeah. So I will say, like, we vote on awards
583
00:25:01.289 --> 00:25:02.950
are due the day after the play of the regular
584
00:25:02.990 --> 00:25:03.450
season ends.
585
00:25:03.710 --> 00:25:03.829
Yeah.
586
00:25:04.539 --> 00:25:06.640
And for every other award, that makes sense. You don't
587
00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:08.640
want a rookie who is good in the playoffs having
588
00:25:08.660 --> 00:25:12.839
that interfere with everything. Managers, so much of what managers
589
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:17.109
do are what they do in those three weeks in October. Like,
590
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:20.069
they're so much more visible. They're so much more, like,
591
00:25:20.950 --> 00:25:25.269
it seems weird that we are going to evaluate Stephen
592
00:25:25.329 --> 00:25:27.150
Vogt on the games that didn't count. Yeah.
593
00:25:27.450 --> 00:25:28.750
I mean, also, he was going to get Kevin Cash.
594
00:25:28.769 --> 00:25:30.309
The regular season counts, Patrick.
595
00:25:30.390 --> 00:25:31.549
Kevin Cash was.
596
00:25:31.349 --> 00:25:34.470
The best manager in the AL and won best manager
597
00:25:34.509 --> 00:25:37.009
in baseball probably, and won the AL East in a
598
00:25:37.029 --> 00:25:39.660
division with the Yankees and Red Sox and Blue Jays, right?
599
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:40.440
Yeah.
600
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:42.660
Yeah.
601
00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:43.279
Yeah.
602
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.640
And look, he pushed, he didn't like, again, when you
603
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:47.599
have Drew Rasmussen go in seven innings, you don't have
604
00:25:47.619 --> 00:25:50.200
to push a lot of buttons. It limits the number
605
00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:51.089
of buttons you have to push.
606
00:25:53.369 --> 00:25:56.529
It certainly helps. I mean, but, but.
607
00:25:58.289 --> 00:25:59.150
Yeah, I don't know.
608
00:25:59.329 --> 00:26:02.269
I mean, like, I guess he got the luxury of
609
00:26:02.509 --> 00:26:05.950
Rasmussen going twice. Gavin Williams gave, you know, gave Steven
610
00:26:05.990 --> 00:26:08.059
Vogt the reset and stuff like that. Yeah, but again,
611
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:13.299
he used these guys so weird throughout, right? Like, this
612
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:15.059
wasn't a one-series issue.
613
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.019
Right, and he was pulling Williams and Messick earlier than
614
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:20.650
you would expect generally for those quality of pitchers in
615
00:26:20.670 --> 00:26:22.130
the playoffs. Like, I get you're.
616
00:26:21.930 --> 00:26:24.410
Going to be aggressive. Let alone what he had later.
617
00:26:24.670 --> 00:26:26.089
Let alone what he had later, right?
618
00:26:26.190 --> 00:26:28.769
Yeah.
619
00:26:29.289 --> 00:26:29.970
Freddie Peralta?
620
00:26:31.509 --> 00:26:33.349
I said you were going to say Drew Asmussen going
621
00:26:33.369 --> 00:26:35.549
against the Guardians lineup. Freddie Peralta pitched into the six
622
00:26:35.589 --> 00:26:36.970
twice against this Guardians lineup.
623
00:26:37.410 --> 00:26:37.670
Yeah.
624
00:26:38.170 --> 00:26:40.589
Go ahead, Patrick.
625
00:26:40.789 --> 00:26:45.069
And he pitched in game four in relief. This throw
626
00:26:45.109 --> 00:26:46.089
day stuff's got to stop.
627
00:26:46.109 --> 00:26:49.890
It's pretty clear. Any day you throw is your throw
628
00:26:49.910 --> 00:26:52.690
day now. Throw days are a state of mind.
629
00:26:53.170 --> 00:26:57.160
Peralta did not look as good in game six as.
630
00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:58.759
He did in game two. It didn't matter.
631
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.450
It didn't matter, but like He got a lot of help.
632
00:27:02.589 --> 00:27:05.170
He was missing the zone with everything. It was not
633
00:27:05.269 --> 00:27:09.170
missing the zone like Kate Smith was missing the zone, right?
634
00:27:09.269 --> 00:27:13.009
It was chaseable stuff, but it was still like that
635
00:27:13.029 --> 00:27:16.049
could have gone badly if Cleveland had been a little
636
00:27:16.069 --> 00:27:24.079
more disciplined. He looked tired. Everybody looked tired. Everyone's too tired. Government,
637
00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:26.900
they should get their 15-minute breaks. It's the law.
638
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.259
Well, they get three days off now, at least, so.
639
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.759
All their 15-minute breaks are piled end-to-end.
640
00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:34.099
So, I don't.
641
00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:40.450
Know. Do we have anything else on the series actively? No.
642
00:27:40.710 --> 00:27:42.390
The Rays were just better, right? Is what it comes
643
00:27:42.410 --> 00:27:45.450
down to. The Rays were the better team. And they
644
00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:46.049
beat them in six games.
645
00:27:46.069 --> 00:27:50.619
Again, Cleveland didn't... It's going to sound rude. Cleveland didn't
646
00:27:50.660 --> 00:27:52.140
deserve to be here. I'm sorry.
647
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:53.539
They're not that good a team.
648
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:57.940
They probably should have lost in five, but Petey Halpin.
649
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.640
Hit a homer. Did they put up more wins against
650
00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.460
the Rays than the Dodgers did against the Brewers?
651
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:05.079
Absolutely. Doesn't matter. They're not that good. I don't know
652
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:08.940
what to tell you. I don't know. I touched on
653
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:10.829
this in the recap last night. I was probably too
654
00:28:10.869 --> 00:28:12.569
tired to really drill into it as far as I
655
00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:17.309
wanted to. The Rays are interesting because they don't have
656
00:28:18.289 --> 00:28:21.170
players who are good at everything. But they've done a
657
00:28:21.250 --> 00:28:23.789
very good job of stitching together people who are good
658
00:28:23.809 --> 00:28:27.299
at one thing. into a lineup that is just barely
659
00:28:27.339 --> 00:28:30.240
good enough at everything. Like, yes, they have their Taylor
660
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.440
Walses for defense. You've got Chandler Simpson, who can do
661
00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:36.170
two things. He can run and he can play defense.
662
00:28:36.609 --> 00:28:40.609
Taylor Walses can only do one. Junior Cananero is good
663
00:28:40.630 --> 00:28:45.059
at defense and has power. He's not good at defense.
664
00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:47.400
According to our stats, he is.
665
00:28:47.980 --> 00:28:49.920
The metrics are all over the place on him.
666
00:28:49.940 --> 00:28:52.589
Yeah, the metrics are all over the place. I understand,
667
00:28:52.609 --> 00:28:54.250
but he's not. If you want to give him two
668
00:28:54.269 --> 00:28:56.150
things he's good at, it's grounding into double plays.
669
00:28:56.849 --> 00:28:58.789
He gets on base, too. He walks a fair bit.
670
00:28:58.910 --> 00:29:01.029
Because nobody wants to pitch to him in that lineup.
671
00:29:01.470 --> 00:29:04.599
But the fascinating thing about the Rays is that for people,
672
00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:08.839
no team, I think, reflects what the viewer wants to
673
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.819
see more than the Rays. They can be whatever you
674
00:29:11.859 --> 00:29:14.259
want them to be. Or whatever you want to hate.
675
00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:18.809
They can be anti-analytics somehow.
676
00:29:18.829 --> 00:29:18.900
Yes.
677
00:29:19.390 --> 00:29:21.309
Yeah, they can be analytics.
678
00:29:20.789 --> 00:29:25.859
And anti-analytics at the same time. It is a fascinating
679
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.759
experience to be the person who you hate. That's their
680
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.119
favorite team because they'll find something they love and you'll
681
00:29:33.140 --> 00:29:36.849
hate them because that guy you hate loves them. There's
682
00:29:36.890 --> 00:29:38.910
something to hold on to from every angle. By the way,
683
00:29:38.970 --> 00:29:42.599
shout out to Provo Flagmat for sending me a picture
684
00:29:42.619 --> 00:29:45.279
of Ryan Valade. He's so happy.
685
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.279
I did receive it. With what there is on Raze Twitter,
686
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.619
I agree. It is easy to find something that you
687
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:53.460
hate there.
688
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:59.359
That one bald guy loves the Raze. Anyway.
689
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:01.660
What's next for the Guardians?
690
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.619
Exactly this. Yeah, exactly.
691
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.339
Maybe a little bit cheaper and a little bit worse?
692
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:07.569
Maybe.
693
00:30:07.589 --> 00:30:10.990
I mean, they've got to replace Nathaniel Lowe, I guess.
694
00:30:13.250 --> 00:30:13.630
They do.
695
00:30:13.690 --> 00:30:15.769
They have to replace Nathaniel Lowe, Patrick.
696
00:30:16.029 --> 00:30:18.269
Who was there to replace Kyle Manzara? Who was there
697
00:30:18.329 --> 00:30:21.289
to replace Carlos Santana? Who was there to replace... I'm
698
00:30:21.309 --> 00:30:23.289
going to run down their lists of free agents.
699
00:30:23.549 --> 00:30:23.829
Okay.
700
00:30:24.589 --> 00:30:25.349
Reese Hoskins.
701
00:30:26.089 --> 00:30:26.329
Yeah.
702
00:30:27.569 --> 00:30:28.369
Foster Griffin.
703
00:30:28.750 --> 00:30:29.569
Yeah. Yeah.
704
00:30:29.849 --> 00:30:30.609
Nathaniel Lowe.
705
00:30:31.049 --> 00:30:31.670
Yeah.
706
00:30:31.710 --> 00:30:40.230
End of sentence. Yep. They're obviously going to need to
707
00:30:40.269 --> 00:30:43.079
find a third starter they can actually trust. And maybe
708
00:30:43.099 --> 00:30:44.819
Joey Cotillo is that eventually.
709
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.000
I'm still sort of in on Bybee. He was good
710
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:47.960
at times this year.
711
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.420
Now, here's a fascinating situation with Tanner Bybee. Are you
712
00:30:52.460 --> 00:30:54.119
aware of the structure of his contract?
713
00:30:54.500 --> 00:30:55.539
No.
714
00:30:56.140 --> 00:30:57.759
I don't know if you recall, but he had a
715
00:30:58.480 --> 00:30:59.339
multi-year extension.
716
00:30:59.539 --> 00:31:00.579
Yeah, I know he signed an extension.
717
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:01.000
Yeah.
718
00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:06.660
So he's getting $ 7. 4 million next year, $ 10. 4 million in 2028, which,
719
00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:08.559
you know, they can stomach if he's going to go
720
00:31:08.619 --> 00:31:10.789
out there and be a fourth starter or whatever. He's
721
00:31:10.829 --> 00:31:13.569
getting $ 21. 4 million in 2029.
722
00:31:13.569 --> 00:31:15.569
Well, they'll cross that bridge when they come.
723
00:31:15.589 --> 00:31:16.569
Not from Cleveland, he's not.
724
00:31:16.690 --> 00:31:17.490
Probably not, no.
725
00:31:17.630 --> 00:31:17.890
Well.
726
00:31:19.170 --> 00:31:22.190
I mean, I think, I mean, I'm curious what happens
727
00:31:22.210 --> 00:31:25.539
with Drew Rasmussen this offseason because he's getting $ 20 million
728
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.710
next year. They should be able to keep him. do
729
00:31:28.750 --> 00:31:31.490
ownership and play money and everything else but he's the
730
00:31:31.529 --> 00:31:33.710
number one starter he is you would think they'd go
731
00:31:33.750 --> 00:31:34.390
on and.
732
00:31:34.329 --> 00:31:36.970
On tanner by me they wouldn't pitch in the playoffs
733
00:31:38.789 --> 00:31:39.549
like but the.
734
00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:41.630
Race the race will just they traded tyler glass now
735
00:31:41.710 --> 00:31:43.789
right yeah.
736
00:31:43.190 --> 00:31:45.170
Sure yeah he had a balloon payment coming and they
737
00:31:45.190 --> 00:31:47.069
traded him and and that's fine and they might trade
738
00:31:47.089 --> 00:31:49.630
drew rasmussen um and and not pay him that but
739
00:31:49.690 --> 00:31:52.960
they will they will get something good yeah in return
740
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.970
because he's good yes tanner by me Does not offer
741
00:31:57.009 --> 00:32:02.589
the same proposition at present. Yeah, I mean, it's going
742
00:32:02.609 --> 00:32:02.910
to be.
743
00:32:03.609 --> 00:32:05.230
They're going to try to win 85 games in the
744
00:32:05.269 --> 00:32:06.829
division again next year, and it might work.
745
00:32:09.210 --> 00:32:09.450
Yeah.
746
00:32:10.009 --> 00:32:10.190
Yeah.
747
00:32:10.269 --> 00:32:10.569
I guess.
748
00:32:11.049 --> 00:32:17.549
I guess. They will, you know, fill in around the margins.
749
00:32:17.730 --> 00:32:21.950
I get, like, the infield outside of first base seems
750
00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:28.349
pretty set with Ramirez at third. Rokio at shortstop and
751
00:32:28.369 --> 00:32:32.410
Bazana at second. Given how much Hanau struggled in his
752
00:32:32.450 --> 00:32:36.049
first taste of Major League. Actually, I assume they'll send
753
00:32:36.089 --> 00:32:38.950
him back to AAA, but I think Hanau long-term will
754
00:32:38.990 --> 00:32:43.279
probably take over for Rokio, but Rokio hit just enough
755
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:44.279
this year where.
756
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:45.720
Yeah, but he won't again, though, right?
757
00:32:45.740 --> 00:32:47.539
He won't again. He was bad in the second half, too.
758
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.059
And the outfield is pretty much set as well, somehow.
759
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:54.710
It depends on.
760
00:32:56.009 --> 00:32:59.839
I mean, Stephen Kwan got $ 7. 725 million this year and
761
00:32:59.890 --> 00:33:02.480
is going to ARB3. It depends if they want to
762
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:03.019
pay for that.
763
00:33:03.420 --> 00:33:04.200
I mean, I assume they will.
764
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.460
I assume they will.
765
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:07.900
Joe Adele is going to ARB3. He's going to get
766
00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:10.880
less than Stephen Kwan based on what they got in ARB2.
767
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.480
Yeah, but Joe... Yeah. Yeah, this team can't go... Like,
768
00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:16.539
this team can't go in to the next year.
769
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.240
They had to go out and get Joe Adele in
770
00:33:18.259 --> 00:33:19.940
the first place because they needed.
771
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:21.720
No, I'm saying I think they'll keep him because he'll
772
00:33:21.740 --> 00:33:23.210
be less expensive.
773
00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:23.329
Than Stephen Kwan.
774
00:33:23.349 --> 00:33:23.450
Right.
775
00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:25.170
And you have DeLauder's, again, on his rookie deal here.
776
00:33:25.190 --> 00:33:25.710
And then you have DeLauder.
777
00:33:26.619 --> 00:33:29.299
And I guess you can live with Petey Halpin in center. Like,
778
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.319
you probably, like, they're going to live with Petey Halpin
779
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:32.759
in center.
780
00:33:32.779 --> 00:33:33.559
Yeah.
781
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.480
Well, I mean, they'll do Kwan, DeLauder, and Adele if
782
00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:39.269
they have all of them.
783
00:33:39.740 --> 00:33:41.569
Sure, but they've been DHing Adele a lot.
784
00:33:41.890 --> 00:33:43.470
Yeah. Well, they shouldn't.
785
00:33:43.529 --> 00:33:47.589
I guess you have that luxury when you don't have
786
00:33:47.630 --> 00:33:48.789
a designated hitter.
787
00:33:48.809 --> 00:33:51.650
Yeah, they need to get a first baseman, and then
788
00:33:51.690 --> 00:33:55.960
they have to get another first baseman to DH. That's
789
00:33:56.069 --> 00:33:57.680
just what this team has needed for five years.
790
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:02.150
And they keep trying to find the 2027 Ryan O'Hearn.
791
00:34:03.130 --> 00:34:06.009
Stop being clever about this.
792
00:34:06.430 --> 00:34:10.949
Like Ralphie Velasquez might be the answer. At first base DH.
793
00:34:11.269 --> 00:34:11.550
Sure.
794
00:34:12.150 --> 00:34:14.610
I mean, he might be. I mean, he's probably going.
795
00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:14.909
To be at some point.
796
00:34:14.929 --> 00:34:17.849
We'll probably see Kyle Manzardo as the answer again in
797
00:34:17.929 --> 00:34:18.969
one of these capacities.
798
00:34:19.630 --> 00:34:21.489
CJ Kaifus is still around, right?
799
00:34:21.809 --> 00:34:27.269
Yeah. The real answer is Josh Bell. let's do it
800
00:34:27.289 --> 00:34:29.909
again yeah i mean it's just it's just more of this.
801
00:34:30.210 --> 00:34:36.570
Yeah and like they'll probably be pretty good okay pretty
802
00:34:36.630 --> 00:34:40.409
pretty good yeah pretty good yeah about this good.
803
00:34:40.849 --> 00:34:43.170
That's good maybe it's not pretty good the lcs.
804
00:34:42.849 --> 00:34:45.050
Next year probably will not get to the lcs next
805
00:34:45.070 --> 00:34:46.230
year but they might actually.
806
00:34:45.969 --> 00:34:48.349
Have an american league refs team worth playing.
807
00:34:48.030 --> 00:34:53.000
Yeah maybe maybe maybe which which team patrick.
808
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.150
I don't know Which team would you like to throw
809
00:34:57.250 --> 00:35:02.869
out there for that title? Maybe it'll be the Athletics here. Okay.
810
00:35:02.889 --> 00:35:05.750
Can you imagine the Athletics winning that division and having
811
00:35:05.769 --> 00:35:07.429
to play playoff games in that stadium?
812
00:35:08.789 --> 00:35:11.409
I do, by the way. We're about to get World
813
00:35:11.429 --> 00:35:12.969
Series games at the Trop, my friend.
814
00:35:13.150 --> 00:35:14.670
I mean, it's a major league.
815
00:35:14.969 --> 00:35:15.449
It is.
816
00:35:15.690 --> 00:35:18.929
And my understanding is with the renovations, it's actually not bad.
817
00:35:20.219 --> 00:35:22.980
Not that it was bad before, but even better than before.
818
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:24.929
I was going to write about that, and I forgot.
819
00:35:25.050 --> 00:35:28.969
I guess it's because they didn't get World Series games
820
00:35:29.050 --> 00:35:30.449
in 2020 because they were all in Texas.
821
00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:31.329
Right, right.
822
00:35:31.409 --> 00:35:31.730
Since 2008?
823
00:35:31.699 --> 00:35:31.929
2008, yeah.
824
00:35:31.949 --> 00:35:39.409
I don't remember what else I was going to say.
825
00:35:39.449 --> 00:35:42.719
Okay, and then I'll wrap up the topic. Why don't
826
00:35:42.739 --> 00:35:43.420
we go to our second one?
827
00:35:43.469 --> 00:35:45.460
It's the Sickos World Series.
828
00:35:46.579 --> 00:35:47.400
We've got.
829
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.500
The Tampa Bay Rays and the Milwaukee Brewers.
830
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.369
We'll do our normal format. The Brewers will win if.
831
00:35:57.510 --> 00:36:01.130
Patrick? I left this one, so I think you should
832
00:36:01.190 --> 00:36:01.710
start with it.
833
00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:04.809
I appreciate you doing that. The Brewers will win if
834
00:36:04.969 --> 00:36:08.570
they are leading after four and the bullpen just does
835
00:36:08.610 --> 00:36:13.389
what it did against the Dodgers. If Stephen Vogt's button works...
836
00:36:14.889 --> 00:36:16.889
Can I also point out... I just want to go
837
00:36:16.929 --> 00:36:17.510
back for a second.
838
00:36:17.829 --> 00:36:20.090
There was a point in the.
839
00:36:20.969 --> 00:36:22.820
It was game three of the.
840
00:36:23.739 --> 00:36:27.809
Milwaukee LA series where Ken Rosenthal is reporting on Dave
841
00:36:27.829 --> 00:36:30.630
Roberts plan. And he was like, he wants to have
842
00:36:30.710 --> 00:36:34.110
a lead after six so that they can't just go
843
00:36:34.130 --> 00:36:38.840
to the bullpen. And I just, I just need to
844
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.820
say like having a lead at a certain point in
845
00:36:41.860 --> 00:36:44.420
a game is not a plan. That's, that's how you win.
846
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:46.639
Yeah. Having a lead after the ninth is a plan.
847
00:36:47.059 --> 00:36:49.400
Like that's like, that's there.
848
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.349
That is not a plan at all. So I, Kevin
849
00:36:52.389 --> 00:36:53.130
cash do better.
850
00:36:53.809 --> 00:36:56.030
This is like the Hillary Clinton, how do we defeat ISIS?
851
00:36:56.070 --> 00:36:56.869
We defeat ISIS.
852
00:36:57.190 --> 00:36:57.650
That's right.
853
00:36:58.110 --> 00:36:58.510
That's right.
854
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:00.050
By winning.
855
00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:00.880
By winning, yes.
856
00:37:00.889 --> 00:37:03.960
By having leads and then holding those leads. And yeah.
857
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:05.760
He should have said, what's your plan? I plan to
858
00:37:05.780 --> 00:37:07.500
have a lead after the ninth inning.
859
00:37:07.900 --> 00:37:09.579
Yeah, that's right. That's it.
860
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.639
That's how you do it. So yeah, I think that
861
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.570
is the one way to do it.
862
00:37:14.820 --> 00:37:15.139
Jeffrey?
863
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.400
So I'm taking the inverse of this. I think they, look,
864
00:37:19.699 --> 00:37:23.179
they need to get more from Mizorowski and Logan Henderson.
865
00:37:23.699 --> 00:37:23.780
Sure.
866
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.619
Than they've gotten so far. Not that they've been awful
867
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.739
or anything, but, like, you know, the.
868
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:36.199
The Rays can make this annoying for them. Specifically, I think.
869
00:37:36.219 --> 00:37:39.159
Yeah, I think... Like, I considered this, too.
870
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:39.800
Yeah.
871
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.500
For the same reasons. And part of the reason I
872
00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:46.219
didn't was because maybe they don't need more.
873
00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:47.670
Yeah, exactly.
874
00:37:48.250 --> 00:37:51.010
Well, I do think there's... I know the Brewers have
875
00:37:51.030 --> 00:37:53.530
had a lot of time off, but I think... This
876
00:37:53.590 --> 00:37:56.030
is like trying to this like trying to this is
877
00:37:56.070 --> 00:37:58.469
like sleeping in an extra six hours on Saturday after
878
00:37:58.510 --> 00:38:00.800
you've been right. It doesn't out till 2 a.m. the
879
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:03.619
last previous week. Like Aaron Ashby has thrown all those
880
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:04.260
back to backs.
881
00:38:04.340 --> 00:38:09.280
Right. Like, yes, I think I want the Brewers to
882
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.159
need more. Right. Like I want I don't want this.
883
00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:13.039
But that's what.
884
00:38:13.099 --> 00:38:13.280
Right.
885
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.869
That's how I feel. But I'm not sure that they do. Yeah,
886
00:38:16.949 --> 00:38:20.880
they just they just they might not. Because the reality...
887
00:38:20.619 --> 00:38:23.300
You're right about Aaron Ashby, but the reality is they
888
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:24.980
might just be able to go out and do the
889
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.860
same thing, the three-inning closeout, the game thing that they
890
00:38:27.889 --> 00:38:28.360
did with Ashby.
891
00:38:28.389 --> 00:38:30.969
They might just throw five scoreless against this lineup or whatever.
892
00:38:31.610 --> 00:38:32.929
They might just do it with D.L.
893
00:38:32.969 --> 00:38:33.190
Hall.
894
00:38:34.469 --> 00:38:36.690
He's been that good thus far.
895
00:38:36.750 --> 00:38:37.469
You know what I mean?
896
00:38:37.650 --> 00:38:40.659
You say that, but he's still going to use Aaron
897
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:41.320
Ashby every day.
898
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.360
No, I know, but you know what I mean, right?
899
00:38:44.380 --> 00:38:45.239
Yeah, I know what you.
900
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.179
Mean, yeah. What I said, essentially.
901
00:38:49.780 --> 00:38:52.659
filling the lane not filled by these other two uh
902
00:38:53.059 --> 00:38:56.500
roots here is robert gasser can out pitch nick martinez
903
00:38:56.699 --> 00:38:58.719
right i had to bring up nick martinez here i
904
00:38:59.659 --> 00:39:04.380
i think you know neither of these teams really has
905
00:39:04.420 --> 00:39:11.070
a game four person right right so it really game
906
00:39:11.110 --> 00:39:13.369
and you're gonna get rasmus well i don't know if
907
00:39:13.409 --> 00:39:15.349
he lines up i guess does he isn't.
908
00:39:15.289 --> 00:39:20.900
Yeah rasmussen can go on uh It's Sunday. So he'll
909
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:21.739
be on regular rest.
910
00:39:22.179 --> 00:39:23.179
On Friday. Yeah.
911
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:27.369
So we'll get they can line up uh rasmussen peralta.
912
00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:33.130
Okay so we're gonna get rasmussen mizorowski yeah peralta and henderson.
913
00:39:33.110 --> 00:39:34.590
Yeah i mean they might they could i guess they
914
00:39:34.610 --> 00:39:36.730
could throw nick martinez game two and give peralta some
915
00:39:36.789 --> 00:39:41.429
extra yeah i guess martinez hasn't pitched in a while
916
00:39:41.449 --> 00:39:42.130
i don't know how.
917
00:39:42.030 --> 00:39:45.320
They'll yeah but i'm assuming it'll be those two yeah
918
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.500
and then it's gonna be you know yeah yeah you
919
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:52.440
know game three is pivotal regardless really how the first
920
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.920
two go, whether it's a split or, or one team
921
00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:57.920
gets both of them. I think that that comes down
922
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.309
to like, can, can Gasser give them four innings basically?
923
00:40:01.329 --> 00:40:02.730
Can he do what he did against the Dodgers?
924
00:40:02.969 --> 00:40:03.090
Yeah.
925
00:40:03.250 --> 00:40:08.369
Which was more than enough. Um, so I, I think
926
00:40:08.429 --> 00:40:11.170
if he can, and then they can go to that bullpen,
927
00:40:12.429 --> 00:40:16.519
they're in pretty good shape. The Rays will win.
928
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.039
If Patrick, Yeah, so, I mean, this is, they will
929
00:40:22.059 --> 00:40:24.159
win if they did what they did in five and six. Like,
930
00:40:24.219 --> 00:40:27.079
what they did to Cleveland is that every time, Cleveland
931
00:40:27.099 --> 00:40:30.159
got base runners, but it felt like every time Cleveland
932
00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:33.440
got a base runner, it wasn't necessarily even, like, just
933
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.539
cheap double plays. It felt like, you know, Taylor Walls
934
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:38.929
would dive, or Ben Williamson would dive for something, knock
935
00:40:38.989 --> 00:40:43.989
it down, get one out. If the Brewers, like, the
936
00:40:44.010 --> 00:40:47.289
Brewers can hit home runs, and they can theoretically win
937
00:40:47.329 --> 00:40:49.269
just hitting home runs. They did, like, they showed this
938
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:52.800
against the Dodgers. But the Rays are going to at
939
00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:55.400
least need to make sure that they hit home runs.
940
00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.599
They can't also give up the single-double combos, right? If
941
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.320
they can keep Milwaukee to scoring two or three runs
942
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.579
because they hit two or three solo home runs, then
943
00:41:05.619 --> 00:41:08.320
they've got a chance. Jeffrey?
944
00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:14.699
So originally I put down, if the Rays play clips
945
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.289
of every time Craig called them frauds over the PA
946
00:41:17.349 --> 00:41:18.449
while they take batting practice.
947
00:41:18.469 --> 00:41:19.570
The fraud is finally came.
948
00:41:19.590 --> 00:41:21.309
They need motivation. Motivate them.
949
00:41:21.789 --> 00:41:24.250
Um, but I'm going to go, I'm 90% sure. I'm
950
00:41:24.309 --> 00:41:27.230
in the, in the Milwaukee opening day.
951
00:41:27.610 --> 00:41:29.110
Oh yeah. Yeah. We need that.
952
00:41:29.250 --> 00:41:31.190
Just remember there's some power in this.
953
00:41:31.570 --> 00:41:31.769
Yeah.
954
00:41:33.050 --> 00:41:35.949
Uh, but I said, uh, basically if Nick Martinez pitches well, right?
955
00:41:35.969 --> 00:41:41.510
Like I think their biggest advantage on paper is Nick
956
00:41:41.530 --> 00:41:42.889
Martinez against Robert Gasser.
957
00:41:44.070 --> 00:41:46.010
I mean, certainly.
958
00:41:46.050 --> 00:41:48.789
See, here's the thing. Everyone gets mad at me, but
959
00:41:48.849 --> 00:41:50.710
you can't say that without laughing.
960
00:41:51.050 --> 00:41:53.289
Yeah.
961
00:41:53.429 --> 00:41:57.730
When I wrote the preview for Game 4, I looked
962
00:41:57.750 --> 00:42:00.269
at Nick Martinez a lot, and I'm like, I get
963
00:42:00.309 --> 00:42:03.679
why it works. It's been working for a long time, guys.
964
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.219
It's been five years of this. He's had three 5
965
00:42:06.219 --> 00:42:07.619
ERAs since he came back from Japan.
966
00:42:08.619 --> 00:42:11.099
And if he had a 3.5, I wouldn't be calling
967
00:42:11.139 --> 00:42:13.969
him a fraud. I would probably be saying he's still
968
00:42:14.010 --> 00:42:17.409
getting away with it. But 3-5 will do the job.
969
00:42:17.650 --> 00:42:19.849
If he can give five innings, and that's what he's
970
00:42:19.869 --> 00:42:22.130
been doing. He's been pitching five innings of one or
971
00:42:22.150 --> 00:42:25.329
two-run ball. And that is, like, the five innings is
972
00:42:25.349 --> 00:42:26.469
the important part right now.
973
00:42:26.510 --> 00:42:29.670
Yes. Sure. Yeah.
974
00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:32.190
I also want.
975
00:42:31.550 --> 00:42:33.590
To be clear. Kevin Cash, trust him on that. Give him,
976
00:42:33.929 --> 00:42:34.989
let him give those five innings.
977
00:42:35.530 --> 00:42:38.409
It's been some time since I thought the rate, like, I...
978
00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:40.730
there was a point I thought the Rays were not
979
00:42:40.750 --> 00:42:42.170
going to make the playoffs or whatever.
980
00:42:42.449 --> 00:42:42.630
Right.
981
00:42:43.139 --> 00:42:45.320
But I'm saying it's been a while since like, I've
982
00:42:45.340 --> 00:42:48.219
been like, okay, I don't think, I still think a
983
00:42:48.380 --> 00:42:51.679
full health Yankees series would have been, I don't know
984
00:42:51.699 --> 00:42:52.420
that it would have been different.
985
00:42:52.460 --> 00:42:53.820
It would have been much more competitive.
986
00:42:54.340 --> 00:42:57.059
I think, but like, if you had told me that
987
00:42:57.079 --> 00:42:59.119
they were the, the, I guess the four seat, because
988
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.030
the first three go to the division winners, but like
989
00:43:01.070 --> 00:43:04.269
the second, essentially second in the AL East or whatever,
990
00:43:04.409 --> 00:43:07.269
and went to the world series anyway, like that happens.
991
00:43:07.369 --> 00:43:07.550
Right.
992
00:43:07.610 --> 00:43:11.880
Like, I don't think, it's insane that they've, they've survived
993
00:43:11.900 --> 00:43:16.880
the playoffs. But yeah, I know my, my raise will win.
994
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.360
If is, I said, Taylor walls gets, gets on base
995
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:20.739
three times.
996
00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:23.380
How about four? Did he got on base four times?
997
00:43:23.860 --> 00:43:25.480
He, he, he reached.
998
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:26.079
Yeah.
999
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:27.519
Yeah.
1000
00:43:28.420 --> 00:43:30.840
If he, if he walked, no, I mean, it's not,
1001
00:43:30.909 --> 00:43:32.929
it's not about Taylor walls, but it is, it is
1002
00:43:33.090 --> 00:43:35.530
having someone on for Yandy Diaz to hit a home run.
1003
00:43:35.550 --> 00:43:36.269
They need to get, yeah.
1004
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.219
They need to get something out of the bottom of
1005
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:39.920
that lineup in this series.
1006
00:43:40.179 --> 00:43:42.159
That is what I'm using that as. And where we're
1007
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.219
linking here is that they did get something out of
1008
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.110
the bottom of their lineup because they actually played defense
1009
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.699
in those last couple of games. One of the reasons
1010
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:50.409
why the Rays were struggling is because they had these
1011
00:43:50.449 --> 00:43:52.730
guys who were only good at defense and also couldn't
1012
00:43:52.750 --> 00:43:56.789
play defense because there's nothing to defend. Right.
1013
00:43:57.250 --> 00:44:00.570
I would also include Richie Palacios here, but he had six.
1014
00:44:01.329 --> 00:44:04.570
Yeah. The bottom of the lineup for the Rays is
1015
00:44:04.590 --> 00:44:06.289
the long bottom of the lineup. It is.
1016
00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:06.789
It's true.
1017
00:44:07.849 --> 00:44:10.349
Yeah. I mean, well, and especially when like Victor Mesa
1018
00:44:10.670 --> 00:44:11.150
isn't hitting.
1019
00:44:11.429 --> 00:44:14.289
Yeah. I mean, look, yeah. Chandler Simpson might be hitting
1020
00:44:14.389 --> 00:44:17.090
third against Jacob Miziorowski in game one.
1021
00:44:18.269 --> 00:44:23.489
I mean, he's a good matchup, honestly. At least he
1022
00:44:23.550 --> 00:44:24.570
might not strike out.
1023
00:44:24.590 --> 00:44:25.969
Yeah.
1024
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.480
I don't know that that makes it a good matchup.
1025
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.900
Compared to if he's on. He's striking out 16 guys,
1026
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.079
just putting the ball in play as a victory.
1027
00:44:39.099 --> 00:44:40.360
That takes us to our predictions.
1028
00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:45.050
I can start. I took Milwaukee in five.
1029
00:44:46.030 --> 00:44:50.349
I think everything that the Rays do, Milwaukee does, and
1030
00:44:50.389 --> 00:44:51.570
Milwaukee does a little bit more.
1031
00:44:52.829 --> 00:44:53.530
I don't think that.
1032
00:44:53.449 --> 00:44:59.860
There's really anything that Tampa does that and, and, and
1033
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.059
I'm not saying Tampa doesn't do anything well. I think they're,
1034
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:04.420
they do things well. And I think Milwaukee does those
1035
00:45:04.460 --> 00:45:08.000
things as well or better. And then also does some
1036
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:11.510
stuff on top of that, that Tampa doesn't do. Um,
1037
00:45:11.630 --> 00:45:14.309
so I think it's just, it's a short series. Anything
1038
00:45:14.349 --> 00:45:17.309
can happen, but I'd expect it to play out of
1039
00:45:17.349 --> 00:45:18.090
Milwaukee's favor.
1040
00:45:19.469 --> 00:45:22.389
Yeah. I took six. I think ironically, like the team
1041
00:45:22.409 --> 00:45:24.889
that has a little advantage is a little harder to
1042
00:45:24.909 --> 00:45:26.750
win in five because you have to play three in
1043
00:45:26.789 --> 00:45:27.460
the road to do it.
1044
00:45:27.849 --> 00:45:27.989
Hmm.
1045
00:45:29.170 --> 00:45:31.530
That's kind of why I gave Tampa an extra win
1046
00:45:31.550 --> 00:45:33.070
because I think they'd take two or three from home.
1047
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.019
But I think Milwaukee cleans it up as soon as
1048
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.940
they get back. Jeffrey?
1049
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.199
I said Rays in six. Look, I've been running and
1050
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.010
riding the Rays since to be oppositionally defiant to Craig,
1051
00:45:49.030 --> 00:45:51.489
but I thought they were pretty good. But I've been
1052
00:45:51.530 --> 00:45:52.550
running them in the playoffs too.
1053
00:45:52.590 --> 00:45:52.920
I don't... I....
1054
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:04.010
Just feel like Milwaukee starting pitching. It hasn't really been there.
1055
00:46:04.550 --> 00:46:07.630
And that's true. I think I, again, I think like,
1056
00:46:07.710 --> 00:46:10.269
like the Chandler simply, they're going to make it hard
1057
00:46:10.329 --> 00:46:11.230
for Ms. You're asking.
1058
00:46:12.389 --> 00:46:12.530
Sure.
1059
00:46:12.550 --> 00:46:15.230
They're going to foul good slider. Like they're not like,
1060
00:46:15.250 --> 00:46:17.190
they're going to get like hit home runs off. I mean,
1061
00:46:17.210 --> 00:46:21.179
Caminero might, and I suppose Yandy could, but I think
1062
00:46:21.219 --> 00:46:22.960
they're going to make it hard. And I think they're
1063
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.150
going to be able to wear down. the Brewers pen
1064
00:46:28.230 --> 00:46:29.909
over the course of this. It's not going to be pretty.
1065
00:46:30.329 --> 00:46:32.070
They're going to lose a game like 10 to two
1066
00:46:32.150 --> 00:46:32.969
in here. Probably.
1067
00:46:33.650 --> 00:46:36.409
I don't have Milwaukee is going to make Tampa Bay
1068
00:46:36.849 --> 00:46:41.369
look like Tampa Bay made Cleveland. Maybe like the, because
1069
00:46:41.409 --> 00:46:42.889
the other part of this is like you said, like
1070
00:46:43.389 --> 00:46:47.530
the Cleveland kept getting guys on, like they had to
1071
00:46:47.550 --> 00:46:50.800
go bring in Kevin Kelly. And I had to watch
1072
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.900
Brian Rokio take one of the worst at bats I've
1073
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:55.539
ever seen in my entire life.
1074
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.639
But like the difference, I think Aaron Ashby is going
1075
00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:01.780
to do that to Taylor walls. Sure.
1076
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.559
But I do think unlike if they get guys, Cleveland,
1077
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.780
they have like the top four guys in that lineup
1078
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.340
can all hit home runs. Diaz, which, which Aranda and
1079
00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:14.409
Caminero can all hit home runs. And the Cleveland just
1080
00:47:14.489 --> 00:47:17.710
didn't have that potential. Really?
1081
00:47:19.530 --> 00:47:19.809
Okay.
1082
00:47:20.050 --> 00:47:23.829
I mean, like, again, I'm not trying to dunk on
1083
00:47:23.949 --> 00:47:27.260
either Liam Hicks or Patrick here, but like, Liam Hicks
1084
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.340
was a guy Patrick wrote about and reasonably was like,
1085
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.610
he might not hit six home runs the rest of
1086
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.949
the season. Can he hit a home run?
1087
00:47:35.269 --> 00:47:36.889
Yes. Okay. Okay.
1088
00:47:37.369 --> 00:47:39.050
I'm just saying.
1089
00:47:41.989 --> 00:47:44.070
It doesn't ever feel like he can hit a home run.
1090
00:47:44.469 --> 00:47:48.469
It's, it's not, let's not lump him in with, with
1091
00:47:48.989 --> 00:47:49.869
Junior Caminero.
1092
00:47:49.889 --> 00:47:52.289
Junior Caminero is the ability to hit home runs. So, uh, yeah.
1093
00:47:57.139 --> 00:47:57.500
I don't know.
1094
00:47:57.699 --> 00:48:01.949
I also, yeah, I don't know. I just think, you know.
1095
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:02.969
Yeah, we know what you think, Craig.
1096
00:48:02.989 --> 00:48:03.730
That's why they play the game.
1097
00:48:04.090 --> 00:48:06.769
And we know what you think. What does Pakoda say, Craig?
1098
00:48:07.789 --> 00:48:09.730
I haven't looked. Yeah, we have to set up the roster.
1099
00:48:09.750 --> 00:48:10.809
We even set up the rosters last night.
1100
00:48:10.829 --> 00:48:12.409
No, I was busy writing last night. I thought I was.
1101
00:48:12.349 --> 00:48:13.949
Teeing Craig up there, but apparently not.
1102
00:48:15.610 --> 00:48:19.280
That's what I should have been doing, Patrick. I guess so. Well,
1103
00:48:19.300 --> 00:48:23.659
we have plenty of time before the preview is ready. So, like,
1104
00:48:23.739 --> 00:48:25.039
we should get a day off, too.
1105
00:48:25.059 --> 00:48:26.179
Yeah, fair enough.
1106
00:48:26.710 --> 00:48:30.610
I suspect it will favor Milwaukee.
1107
00:48:30.670 --> 00:48:34.380
It doesn't have the roses. I'm less certain than Craig. Oh,
1108
00:48:34.420 --> 00:48:38.619
you don't think? No, given Pakoda's proclivities towards the Milwaukee Brewers,
1109
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.920
I feel like it's going to be 50-50 is what
1110
00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:43.380
my guess is. That's fair.
1111
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.170
I didn't think it loved the Rays either. No, it
1112
00:48:46.190 --> 00:48:48.789
doesn't love the Rays. It doesn't hate the Rays.
1113
00:48:48.809 --> 00:48:51.989
Part of the reason I have said call them fraud
1114
00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:56.280
and stuff, their third-order stuff, it's fine. Yeah. It's fine.
1115
00:48:56.340 --> 00:48:57.699
It's a good team, not a great team. And they
1116
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.469
played like a great team. All right, why don't we
1117
00:49:01.489 --> 00:49:03.719
take a break and come back with the rest of
1118
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:03.940
the show.
1119
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:04.659
We'll be right back.
1120
00:49:27.139 --> 00:49:30.619
Welcome back to episode 590 of Five and Dive. We're
1121
00:49:30.659 --> 00:49:34.920
on segment three, staffing up. We're getting front office moves.
1122
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:40.070
We're getting managerial decisions. Martin Maldonado is on the dock
1123
00:49:40.929 --> 00:49:42.210
for the second straight week.
1124
00:49:42.449 --> 00:49:42.690
Yep.
1125
00:49:43.710 --> 00:49:49.809
It's that time of year. Taylor Smith takes over in Sacramento,
1126
00:49:51.190 --> 00:49:53.900
soon to be potentially Las Vegas.
1127
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:54.039
Maybe.
1128
00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:54.199
Maybe.
1129
00:49:54.219 --> 00:49:58.969
Possible. Possible. Taylor Smith.
1130
00:49:59.429 --> 00:50:02.030
That's about as anonymous a name as you can get
1131
00:50:02.090 --> 00:50:05.030
these days. And he's probably thankful.
1132
00:50:05.030 --> 00:50:05.610
31 years old.
1133
00:50:06.090 --> 00:50:10.880
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Sure. He's, uh, he went to
1134
00:50:10.969 --> 00:50:13.780
Tampa Bay out of college and worked there for seven
1135
00:50:13.820 --> 00:50:17.800
years and then went to Boston, ran the analytics department
1136
00:50:17.820 --> 00:50:20.880
there for a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah.
1137
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:22.969
I mean, Sacramento. Yeah.
1138
00:50:23.530 --> 00:50:27.400
Like, I have to think that if you're a Sacramento fan,
1139
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:29.960
all four of you, and you get together on your weekends,
1140
00:50:30.940 --> 00:50:35.239
this has to feel like a comforting hire, given the alternatives, right?
1141
00:50:35.420 --> 00:50:38.920
This is at least a nod towards, hey, we used
1142
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:40.269
to have something and we lost it.
1143
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:42.099
Yeah, and I assume he'll get.
1144
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:47.190
At Tampa, he ran quantitative modeling or.
1145
00:50:47.139 --> 00:50:52.409
Something, right? He is a spreadsheet guy, as they say
1146
00:50:52.429 --> 00:50:57.769
derisively nowadays. But, you know, it's– you know, I do
1147
00:50:57.809 --> 00:51:02.449
wonder how much– that's still kind of an old-school-ish front
1148
00:51:02.489 --> 00:51:03.440
office underneath him.
1149
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:04.320
Oh, yeah.
1150
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.760
I'm curious if he gets, like, the Paul Toboni license
1151
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:11.099
to really remake this organization in the way he wants.
1152
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:14.360
Steve Fisher, yes, you have complete control as long as
1153
00:51:14.380 --> 00:51:15.300
you don't spend any money.
1154
00:51:15.739 --> 00:51:18.000
Yeah, I think– I mean, look, he just– he came
1155
00:51:18.019 --> 00:51:19.260
from Tampa, so.
1156
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.489
You know, and, you know, they do spend on their
1157
00:51:22.530 --> 00:51:23.690
front office a little bit.
1158
00:51:23.849 --> 00:51:26.369
They do. Yeah. As Jared has written, it takes time
1159
00:51:26.429 --> 00:51:29.269
to overhaul a front office. Yeah. It will take less
1160
00:51:29.329 --> 00:51:32.670
time to overhaul the athletics office because there's only eight guys. Yeah.
1161
00:51:33.610 --> 00:51:36.429
And also, look, they don't expect anything until they move
1162
00:51:36.469 --> 00:51:38.989
into the stadium in Vegas, whenever that is. So I
1163
00:51:39.030 --> 00:51:41.010
think he'll get he'll get time.
1164
00:51:41.619 --> 00:51:45.320
And the athletics, when he comes in and does his evaluation,
1165
00:51:45.739 --> 00:51:48.260
he's not dealing with a club that is full of
1166
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:49.739
underwater contracts.
1167
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:51.219
Sure.
1168
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.590
If there are certain people on this roster he wants
1169
00:51:53.619 --> 00:51:57.389
to move, he should have the ability to move them. Right?
1170
00:51:58.010 --> 00:52:01.690
So I can imagine this being about as smooth as you.
1171
00:52:01.610 --> 00:52:02.329
Could hope for.
1172
00:52:02.869 --> 00:52:03.050
Sure.
1173
00:52:04.449 --> 00:52:06.289
And hey, that division looks pretty winnable right now.
1174
00:52:06.469 --> 00:52:07.389
Yeah, it does help.
1175
00:52:08.329 --> 00:52:10.050
They don't have to be that good that soon.
1176
00:52:11.610 --> 00:52:12.300
Yeah, it is.
1177
00:52:12.989 --> 00:52:15.869
The contracts are really Luis Severino.
1178
00:52:16.510 --> 00:52:18.050
Yeah. Which is one more year, right?
1179
00:52:18.070 --> 00:52:18.530
One more year.
1180
00:52:18.889 --> 00:52:22.650
And, you know, we'll see how Brent Rooker looks.
1181
00:52:22.829 --> 00:52:26.849
Yeah, you can probably still make that deal now, but
1182
00:52:26.889 --> 00:52:27.670
it's not a lot of money.
1183
00:52:27.710 --> 00:52:32.489
It also tops out under $ 20 million in a year, so.
1184
00:52:33.670 --> 00:52:37.349
It's not that big an anchor or anything like that.
1185
00:52:38.610 --> 00:52:39.190
Jared Banner.
1186
00:52:40.579 --> 00:52:44.809
Goes from the Chicago Cubs to take the GM role
1187
00:52:45.349 --> 00:52:47.050
in Baltimore.
1188
00:52:50.210 --> 00:52:52.849
I'll hand it to Jeff, who made a face.
1189
00:52:53.409 --> 00:53:00.519
This is on some level, like, on paper, saying that
1190
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.940
out loud is fine, right? But everything around this move
1191
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:05.659
and this GM job has been weird.
1192
00:53:07.849 --> 00:53:10.969
Um yeah what was he what was his role in.
1193
00:53:11.889 --> 00:53:13.489
He's a he's a play his background is player dev
1194
00:53:14.050 --> 00:53:14.920
which is why he got this.
1195
00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:17.480
Because they wanted he wasn't a an agm.
1196
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.980
I think he had an agm title yeah i mean
1197
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.239
he was director of player dev he left the cubs
1198
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.380
to go to the mets to be the cubs to
1199
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:28.039
go to the mets or the guardians to go to
1200
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.409
the mets to be a director of player dev and
1201
00:53:31.429 --> 00:53:34.369
then went back to the cubs he was in charge
1202
00:53:34.389 --> 00:53:36.760
of like special projects but i think he has an
1203
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:37.980
agm title now yeah.
1204
00:53:38.780 --> 00:53:41.719
Um he did have an agm title um he has
1205
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.760
been at that job since uh taylor smith was 13.
1206
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:51.260
Yeah i mean it's just specifically like we're hiring a
1207
00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:53.699
player dev guy to fix our player dev but also
1208
00:53:53.739 --> 00:53:55.820
be the gm instead of just hiring a player dev
1209
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:57.349
guy to be the player dev guy is a little
1210
00:53:57.369 --> 00:53:59.409
weird although like.
1211
00:53:59.449 --> 00:54:02.409
How much the gm does under elias's.
1212
00:54:02.150 --> 00:54:04.829
Yeah like i don't know like i don't know i really.
1213
00:54:04.630 --> 00:54:08.639
Don't know Boston to the Mets. Boston.
1214
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.719
That's what it was. That's right. He was a, he's
1215
00:54:10.780 --> 00:54:12.460
a Theo tree guy, which I think how he's ended
1216
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:14.019
up back in Chicago or in Chicago.
1217
00:54:16.260 --> 00:54:16.480
Yeah.
1218
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:21.250
Like again, I just, we'll see. The Orioles are kind
1219
00:54:21.289 --> 00:54:22.010
of a mess right now.
1220
00:54:23.190 --> 00:54:24.130
Yeah.
1221
00:54:24.289 --> 00:54:27.190
I don't remember if we talked about it, but Sigma
1222
00:54:27.210 --> 00:54:31.090
doll is not overseeing the analytics department anymore.
1223
00:54:31.469 --> 00:54:33.210
And instead doing.
1224
00:54:34.750 --> 00:54:40.039
The research of, emerging technologies, and innovative practices across baseball operations.
1225
00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:43.530
We'll see how this goes.
1226
00:54:44.179 --> 00:54:44.389
Yeah.
1227
00:54:44.909 --> 00:54:46.210
I don't know what that means.
1228
00:54:46.269 --> 00:54:48.889
It feels like playing with AI.
1229
00:54:49.650 --> 00:54:50.110
Yeah.
1230
00:54:50.150 --> 00:54:53.309
They're already all playing with AI, but probably more playing
1231
00:54:53.329 --> 00:54:55.750
with AI. This is a little weird to take this
1232
00:54:55.789 --> 00:54:57.849
job when Elias might be fired in a year or two,
1233
00:54:57.929 --> 00:54:59.110
but maybe you think you can.
1234
00:54:59.429 --> 00:55:02.929
Maybe you're the next guy up. Or you have general
1235
00:55:02.949 --> 00:55:08.320
manager on your resume. Sure. Right. he's been waiting a
1236
00:55:08.340 --> 00:55:11.539
long time I think he had to feel like it
1237
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:15.460
was time to move up did.
1238
00:55:15.389 --> 00:55:18.570
The Taylor Smith move happen first? was he like Jesus
1239
00:55:18.610 --> 00:55:19.130
Christ at 31?
1240
00:55:19.110 --> 00:55:23.429
I think the manner happened first though Smith was remembered
1241
00:55:23.449 --> 00:55:24.650
for that job for a while.
1242
00:55:27.500 --> 00:55:33.219
In regular manager news Aaron Boone is back baby everyone
1243
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:36.619
is happy The Yankees will keep drinking more of that garbage.
1244
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:38.809
He has not been given an option or a year
1245
00:55:38.909 --> 00:55:41.530
or an extension. So he is technically.
1246
00:55:42.610 --> 00:55:43.130
So I did.
1247
00:55:43.269 --> 00:55:46.429
I mean, it's this is very much Aaron Boone is
1248
00:55:46.469 --> 00:55:48.989
an above average manager with clear deficiencies.
1249
00:55:49.230 --> 00:55:49.429
Yes.
1250
00:55:49.590 --> 00:55:52.599
And he makes the playoffs every year.
1251
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:53.260
Right.
1252
00:55:55.230 --> 00:55:58.690
Although any Yankees manager should make the playoffs every year
1253
00:55:58.889 --> 00:55:59.559
is the view of the.
1254
00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:01.380
I understand.
1255
00:56:01.389 --> 00:56:03.300
The fact that he hasn't won a World Series and
1256
00:56:03.340 --> 00:56:06.980
only gotten to... Well, one of them, I think. I
1257
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:08.079
made one World Series.
1258
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.340
That's 2024, right? Yeah, the Dodgers won it. I think.
1259
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:17.019
I understand. I understand the frustration.
1260
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.480
His deficiencies are also very visible in a lot of cases.
1261
00:56:20.659 --> 00:56:22.599
And I think it's one of those things where you
1262
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:26.150
could at least feel like without denigrating it like you
1263
00:56:26.190 --> 00:56:28.010
don't have to go the larry lucchino route on the
1264
00:56:28.050 --> 00:56:30.260
way out of town right where it's like you have
1265
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:31.980
to put a knife in his back you can just
1266
00:56:32.019 --> 00:56:33.480
say like different.
1267
00:56:33.219 --> 00:56:37.019
Feel like we needed a new voice for his service.
1268
00:56:36.699 --> 00:56:40.050
Yeah he is not incapable he is actually quite capable
1269
00:56:40.610 --> 00:56:43.269
but let's see what a different voice does for us.
1270
00:56:43.849 --> 00:56:45.489
I mean the problem is their bench coach is brad
1271
00:56:45.550 --> 00:56:49.050
awesomest so Well, I don't think the different voice has
1272
00:56:49.070 --> 00:56:50.909
to be his guy.
1273
00:56:51.349 --> 00:56:52.289
Especially in the offseason.
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00:56:52.309 --> 00:56:55.289
What I did enjoy was within 30 minutes of each other,
1275
00:56:55.349 --> 00:56:58.230
we got the Michael K. Hal Steinbrenner is very upset
1276
00:56:58.710 --> 00:57:03.650
with how the season ended to Jack Curry. Aaron Boone
1277
00:57:03.690 --> 00:57:04.570
will be.
1278
00:57:06.530 --> 00:57:10.579
Back in 2027. I think this is fine. We constantly
1279
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.280
talk about how the playoffs basically don't give time for
1280
00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:17.719
the live average to kick in. I think Aaron Boone
1281
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.239
is not a great manager. I think Aaron Boone is
1282
00:57:20.260 --> 00:57:23.190
a good enough manager to luck his way into one
1283
00:57:23.250 --> 00:57:25.449
once in a while, just as many other managers have
1284
00:57:25.510 --> 00:57:29.110
before him. This was Dave Roberts, right, for a long time.
1285
00:57:29.469 --> 00:57:31.510
The easiest, yeah, the best way to win a World
1286
00:57:31.530 --> 00:57:33.219
Series is keep making the playoffs every year.
1287
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:33.719
Yep.
1288
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.719
And I think, I also don't have to watch it. Yeah.
1289
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:39.119
I don't have to deal with them every day. So
1290
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:40.400
it's very easy for me to say, sure.
1291
00:57:40.900 --> 00:57:41.079
Yeah.
1292
00:57:42.139 --> 00:57:44.429
But there are, I think there are more worse managers
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00:57:44.489 --> 00:57:47.260
out there than there are better ones. And I honestly,
1294
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.849
when it comes to managers, I would rather just play safe.
1295
00:57:49.909 --> 00:57:51.610
I was also the guy who said they shouldn't have
1296
00:57:51.630 --> 00:57:53.510
fired Ron Thompson. I will keep saying that forever.
1297
00:57:53.590 --> 00:57:56.550
Well, I was going to say, I think the thing
1298
00:57:56.570 --> 00:57:58.530
the Yankees fans might want to do is realize the
1299
00:57:58.570 --> 00:58:00.889
franchise that has been behaving the way that they want
1300
00:58:01.269 --> 00:58:05.539
their franchise to behave is the Phillies. And they just said,
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00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.559
sign me up for more years of Don Mattingly.
1302
00:58:07.579 --> 00:58:11.519
I mean, some of the Yankees fans definitely want Don
1303
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:14.360
Mattingly and also possibly Jorge Posada managing them.
1304
00:58:15.110 --> 00:58:18.079
I think, I think they can have Don Mattingly as
1305
00:58:18.139 --> 00:58:19.780
soon as the middle of next year.
1306
00:58:20.619 --> 00:58:21.880
If the Philly would.
1307
00:58:21.780 --> 00:58:27.320
Allow that to happen if it came to pass. Martin Maldonado.
1308
00:58:28.530 --> 00:58:31.110
We brought him up because he was in consideration for
1309
00:58:31.130 --> 00:58:34.750
the Astros job. He is instead going to Detroit as
1310
00:58:34.809 --> 00:58:35.949
a quality control coach.
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00:58:36.969 --> 00:58:37.949
Sure.
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00:58:38.050 --> 00:58:39.309
Get some coaching years.
1313
00:58:39.329 --> 00:58:41.710
He will be a manager maybe even in Houston in
1314
00:58:41.730 --> 00:58:42.789
a couple of years.
1315
00:58:42.829 --> 00:58:45.469
That's right. And Jeffrey?
1316
00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:51.139
Yeah, Kevin Long is interviewing with the Mets. Maybe they
1317
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.360
let Jeff Albert go at the end of the season.
1318
00:58:54.860 --> 00:58:58.480
Kevin Long has obviously been a hitting coach there before
1319
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.630
for a number of years. And look, I don't, it's
1320
00:59:01.650 --> 00:59:03.269
going to come off as kind of a retread, but
1321
00:59:03.409 --> 00:59:06.110
in terms of, he was like ahead of the curve
1322
00:59:06.269 --> 00:59:08.010
in telling guys to pull and lift the ball. And
1323
00:59:08.030 --> 00:59:11.510
he's also good at the instruct. side of getting guys
1324
00:59:11.570 --> 00:59:12.789
to pull and lift the ball.
1325
00:59:13.530 --> 00:59:16.829
Is Kevin Long a good hitting coach?
1326
00:59:16.849 --> 00:59:21.739
Go ahead, Patrick. Is Kevin Long a good hitting coach?
1327
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.059
I mean, so much as any of this.
1328
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:27.340
He almost feels like the Aaron Boone of hitting coaches.
1329
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:29.719
I think he's above average.
1330
00:59:32.380 --> 00:59:33.780
Yeah.
1331
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.789
He's obviously close with Juan Soto, and they obviously have the...
1332
00:59:37.219 --> 00:59:39.829
Not that Juan Soto really needs a hitting coach, but
1333
00:59:39.849 --> 00:59:48.670
they have the analytics and evaluation apparatus underneath him, and
1334
00:59:48.710 --> 00:59:50.110
he's the guy that's going to be like, okay, this
1335
00:59:50.150 --> 00:59:52.269
is what you do to actually do this. He's the
1336
00:59:52.809 --> 00:59:54.070
swing doctor here, probably.
1337
00:59:54.530 --> 00:59:57.119
I think the difference is that Kevin Long is... The
1338
00:59:57.139 --> 00:59:59.800
hitting coach equivalent, right? But hitting coaches, that's not enough
1339
00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:00.739
to keep you safe, is.
1340
01:00:00.699 --> 01:00:02.650
A hitting coach. No, it isn't. They'll be gone in
1341
01:00:02.659 --> 01:00:04.610
three years because you fire the hitting coach the first
1342
01:00:04.630 --> 01:00:05.389
time they have that season.
1343
01:00:05.610 --> 01:00:09.570
Yeah, I mean, but he's had success in New York,
1344
01:00:10.050 --> 01:00:11.469
in Washington.
1345
01:00:11.849 --> 01:00:13.570
In both New Yorks, yeah.
1346
01:00:13.710 --> 01:00:18.469
Both New Yorks and in Philly. He's more like the
1347
01:00:18.530 --> 01:00:22.489
manager that wears out his welcome than he is, you know,
1348
01:00:22.750 --> 01:00:24.130
not good. Like, he's good.
1349
01:00:24.289 --> 01:00:24.750
He just.
1350
01:00:25.139 --> 01:00:27.159
you know, eventually the issue with him and with the
1351
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.739
Mets last time is he wanted to, I think at
1352
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:33.320
least be more considered for manager than he was when
1353
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:37.610
they hired Mickey Calloway and got cranky about it. Maybe, maybe, maybe,
1354
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:38.159
maybe he was right.
1355
01:00:38.179 --> 01:00:38.320
Yeah.
1356
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.750
Um, I, I do like, you know, could Brett Beatty
1357
01:00:41.829 --> 01:00:42.289
use his help?
1358
01:00:42.489 --> 01:00:43.550
Probably. Yeah.
1359
01:00:44.750 --> 01:00:49.269
You know, uh, maybe he can just tell, uh, Carson
1360
01:00:49.309 --> 01:00:51.989
bench not to listen to, to his college coach or
1361
01:00:52.010 --> 01:00:52.409
whatever the.
1362
01:00:52.389 --> 01:00:52.789
Hell it was.
1363
01:00:53.309 --> 01:00:55.550
Was that, Well, they're not going to tell Carson Bench
1364
01:00:55.610 --> 01:00:56.340
anything in six weeks.
1365
01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:56.940
Yeah, that's right.
1366
01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:57.500
Good point.
1367
01:00:57.760 --> 01:00:58.119
Good point.
1368
01:01:00.059 --> 01:01:03.480
Let's go to our fourth segment. It's a brief one.
1369
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:08.820
We're going around the horn. We have Gold Glove finalists.
1370
01:01:09.699 --> 01:01:11.659
I know you posted something about this on our chat.
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01:01:11.739 --> 01:01:16.070
I cannot tell you how little I care about Gold Glove.
1372
01:01:16.130 --> 01:01:18.670
About Jared Triolo getting a Gold Glove nomination. Of course
1373
01:01:18.690 --> 01:01:19.070
he did.
1374
01:01:19.090 --> 01:01:19.480
Didn't he win one?
1375
01:01:19.489 --> 01:01:20.210
He's won it before, yeah.
1376
01:01:20.230 --> 01:01:20.349
Yeah.
1377
01:01:20.369 --> 01:01:29.230
Yeah. The final, like, I understand why they do the
1378
01:01:29.250 --> 01:01:35.079
multi-position ones, but it also, like, it doesn't work to me.
1379
01:01:35.099 --> 01:01:38.639
It's like, who is qualifying for this? Why are they
1380
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.889
being separated? Like, yeah, sure, Ezekiel Duran played a lot
1381
01:01:41.909 --> 01:01:42.730
of positions, right?
1382
01:01:42.809 --> 01:01:44.449
Ezekiel Duran, yeah.
1383
01:01:44.989 --> 01:01:47.869
But, like, you see, I see Zach McKinstry's name on here,
1384
01:01:47.889 --> 01:01:52.320
and I'm like, Okay, did Zach McKinsey not qualify for
1385
01:01:52.340 --> 01:01:55.510
anywhere else? Would he have been on the... Like, to me,
1386
01:01:55.630 --> 01:01:59.170
if you're in the utility one, it means you should
1387
01:01:59.210 --> 01:02:01.349
have won another one. The problem with all of these
1388
01:02:01.489 --> 01:02:02.690
is the qualifications, right?
1389
01:02:03.289 --> 01:02:06.130
This was how, like, Joe Adele got nominated or whatever
1390
01:02:06.210 --> 01:02:08.699
because he was one of, like, three people to play
1391
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:09.840
left field exclusively.
1392
01:02:09.929 --> 01:02:11.719
Or Juan Soto, right? Oh, right, Juan Soto, right?
1393
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:14.360
It was just like, this guy has played left field.
1394
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.539
Every other left fielder also played some center and some
1395
01:02:17.579 --> 01:02:21.610
right and whatever. but these guys like actually hit the threshold.
1396
01:02:21.909 --> 01:02:24.170
They just need to lower the threshold a lot.
1397
01:02:24.190 --> 01:02:26.170
Like to the point of meaninglessness.
1398
01:02:26.210 --> 01:02:29.260
Jared Triolo for the record, 71 games at shortstop, 50
1399
01:02:29.260 --> 01:02:32.579
at third base, eight at first base, six in right field,
1400
01:02:32.699 --> 01:02:33.239
one in center.
1401
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:37.380
Imagine writing Jared Triolo's bat into, into the lineup at
1402
01:02:37.460 --> 01:02:38.019
first base.
1403
01:02:38.340 --> 01:02:40.579
Well, he only started there twice, but you still had
1404
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:41.500
to do it two times then.
1405
01:02:41.780 --> 01:02:43.809
Yeah. You didn't. The second time has got to really
1406
01:02:43.849 --> 01:02:44.309
feel bad.
1407
01:02:44.489 --> 01:02:44.730
Yeah.
1408
01:02:45.210 --> 01:02:46.550
That's why there wasn't a third.
1409
01:02:46.929 --> 01:02:48.389
Yeah.
1410
01:02:48.429 --> 01:02:52.989
Um, We also have a posting. Excuse me if I
1411
01:02:53.030 --> 01:02:53.769
mispronounce this.
1412
01:02:53.829 --> 01:03:00.579
I apologize. Teruaki Sato. Sato? I think it's Sato. I apologize.
1413
01:03:01.900 --> 01:03:05.920
I've not done my research yet. The Hanshin Tigers.
1414
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:10.059
He's going to get obviously comps to Murakami and Okamoto
1415
01:03:10.139 --> 01:03:15.699
as a cornerback with power. It's very funny because I've
1416
01:03:15.739 --> 01:03:19.550
seen some people be like, well, you know, Murakami is,
1417
01:03:19.730 --> 01:03:22.349
you know, because of Murakami's success, he's going to get
1418
01:03:22.369 --> 01:03:26.030
more money. And I'm just like, I don't like how success,
1419
01:03:26.050 --> 01:03:29.579
like how good was Murakami actually this season in total.
1420
01:03:32.260 --> 01:03:34.699
But I, well, so he came back from injury. I
1421
01:03:34.699 --> 01:03:36.639
can't reveal my rookie year balance.
1422
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.480
The question is how much you think it had to
1423
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:42.610
do with injury versus a book being out.
1424
01:03:43.150 --> 01:03:43.349
Sure.
1425
01:03:43.469 --> 01:03:45.710
Versus just coming back to earth on some stuff.
1426
01:03:45.730 --> 01:03:45.849
Right.
1427
01:03:45.889 --> 01:03:48.780
And the other, like, I have not, like Patrick I'm
1428
01:03:48.820 --> 01:03:51.260
not dug particularly deep into Sato because I have 700
1429
01:03:51.260 --> 01:03:53.300
other things to do and will not be writing about
1430
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:57.519
Sato at any point uh but my impression from talking
1431
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.039
to people and seeing the data and video that I've
1432
01:04:00.059 --> 01:04:02.400
seen limited as it is is in some ways he's
1433
01:04:03.780 --> 01:04:06.800
you would rather he have more of a Murakami offensive
1434
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.860
skill set than he does because he has a common
1435
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.380
like his own contact is not good and he chases
1436
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:13.679
a lot yeah.
1437
01:04:13.539 --> 01:04:18.940
He he's he has basically he's hit uh 39 and
1438
01:04:18.940 --> 01:04:20.800
40 home runs in the past two seasons. He has
1439
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:26.940
struck out 164 and 163 times. He only has walked
1440
01:04:26.940 --> 01:04:30.760
115 times between the two years, right? The other disadvantage
1441
01:04:30.949 --> 01:04:34.510
is he's 28 as opposed to Murakami being 25 at
1442
01:04:34.530 --> 01:04:38.230
the time. He'll be 20 next year. Murakami was 26.
1443
01:04:38.230 --> 01:04:41.489
So he's two years older, essentially. He's also going to
1444
01:04:41.530 --> 01:04:43.989
rank higher. I'm just starting to look at the free
1445
01:04:44.010 --> 01:04:45.750
agent 50 this year. He's going to rank higher than
1446
01:04:45.769 --> 01:04:46.670
Murakami did last year.
1447
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:48.800
The bat free agent.
1448
01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:51.659
Murakami would also rank higher than he did last year.
1449
01:04:51.739 --> 01:04:55.659
It's not a good class. Yeah. But it's going to
1450
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:59.199
be very interesting where he falls on this list. I do.
1451
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.059
I was talking about this with Jarrett a little bit.
1452
01:05:01.099 --> 01:05:05.340
And I do wonder, well, I think the market and look,
1453
01:05:05.380 --> 01:05:08.610
Murakami had longer term offers that he got that he
1454
01:05:08.659 --> 01:05:11.550
ended up signing with for the White Sox. I think
1455
01:05:11.630 --> 01:05:17.210
the market read Murakami pretty well in general. From what
1456
01:05:17.230 --> 01:05:19.650
I heard about the length and AAV of the other offers.
1457
01:05:20.829 --> 01:05:23.320
But I do wonder if they're like, it only takes
1458
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.139
one team to be like, oh, well, Murakami did. Well,
1459
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:29.340
so let's get the next one that buys into Murakami
1460
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:30.119
more than the.
1461
01:05:31.219 --> 01:05:33.650
Well, and it's like you said about the other offers,
1462
01:05:33.690 --> 01:05:37.929
like Murakami did have five and six year offers. They
1463
01:05:37.949 --> 01:05:40.090
just weren't, you know, he bet on himself.
1464
01:05:40.369 --> 01:05:40.489
Yeah.
1465
01:05:40.809 --> 01:05:41.809
And he might get rewarded.
1466
01:05:42.110 --> 01:05:45.599
Probably will. Like, I think he'll probably end up. Because
1467
01:05:45.619 --> 01:05:47.300
he's going to hit free agency again after his age
1468
01:05:47.300 --> 01:05:55.000
27 season. I think he'll probably beat the six-year offer
1469
01:05:55.019 --> 01:05:55.380
in total.
1470
01:05:55.579 --> 01:06:02.440
I will say he is better defensively. He's probably better.
1471
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:05.679
He's better defensively than Murakami, yes.
1472
01:06:06.380 --> 01:06:10.159
And probably better than Okamoto, who was a slightly below
1473
01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:14.739
average third baseman. He won the equivalent of the MPB
1474
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.039
Gold Glove, which we can treat with as much respect
1475
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.400
as we'd like to treat the Major League Old Glove.
1476
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:23.659
I think you can sign him to play third base, though.
1477
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:25.659
I think he'd probably get Okamoto-level defense.
1478
01:06:26.219 --> 01:06:31.400
I will note that MLB.com spoke to a scout. Take
1479
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:32.400
that for what it's worth.
1480
01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:33.619
Anonymous scout, let's go.
1481
01:06:34.929 --> 01:06:38.389
Probably not a third baseman, corner outfielder, first baseman.
1482
01:06:38.530 --> 01:06:40.269
So, apparently, you know.
1483
01:06:40.289 --> 01:06:41.090
Sure, I made a name.
1484
01:06:42.829 --> 01:06:45.489
Uh, he also, to, to Jeff's point, uh, and talking
1485
01:06:45.510 --> 01:06:48.340
about his contact, uh, 66% contact rate.
1486
01:06:48.389 --> 01:06:49.590
Yeah, it's not good.
1487
01:06:50.429 --> 01:06:51.250
And again, the.
1488
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:53.960
MLB average was 77. That's so that's not in zone
1489
01:06:54.539 --> 01:06:56.820
to be clear, but it's, it's just contact rate overall.
1490
01:06:57.139 --> 01:06:58.920
And he does chase a lot, which is a problem. Yeah.
1491
01:07:00.219 --> 01:07:00.380
So.
1492
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:01.860
Right.
1493
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:04.519
You will find guys. So the general, the hard and
1494
01:07:04.539 --> 01:07:08.099
fast rule is that usually your zone contact rate is
1495
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:11.969
eight points higher than your contact percentage on average. But like,
1496
01:07:12.030 --> 01:07:13.710
if you chase more like he does, it can be
1497
01:07:13.929 --> 01:07:15.989
born 10 or 12. And I think his end zone
1498
01:07:16.010 --> 01:07:20.329
was like high seventies, maybe even 80. And again, you'll
1499
01:07:20.349 --> 01:07:22.650
see different data from different sources because even in Japan,
1500
01:07:22.690 --> 01:07:24.610
they model the strike zone differently for some reason.
1501
01:07:25.139 --> 01:07:26.219
Right. Right.
1502
01:07:26.860 --> 01:07:28.059
So it'll, it'll be interesting.
1503
01:07:28.219 --> 01:07:28.739
It'll be interesting.
1504
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:29.340
Yeah. Yeah.
1505
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:31.900
That'll take us to our game.
1506
01:07:33.860 --> 01:07:35.679
All right. I'm just going to leave this one because
1507
01:07:35.699 --> 01:07:36.940
I don't have the energy to try and play it
1508
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.820
as well. Basically this, This is just League Leaders. All
1509
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:41.539
you have to do is we're going to give you
1510
01:07:41.539 --> 01:07:44.960
1 through 10 points. Oh, but it's Game Started. It's
1511
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:49.639
not Game Started, unfortunately. I think we'll just do the
1512
01:07:49.659 --> 01:07:53.590
hitting stats this time. There are four categories. And we'll
1513
01:07:53.610 --> 01:07:57.829
just make this quick. Jeff, who led the league in
1514
01:07:57.849 --> 01:08:03.409
batting average? It's okay. I don't know.
1515
01:08:04.309 --> 01:08:04.679
Wow.
1516
01:08:05.179 --> 01:08:07.880
Batting average. Yeah, this is something I should at least
1517
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:11.639
have feel I mean I know Chandler Simpson hit 300
1518
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.280
but there's gotta be somebody better uh Jordan Alvarez.
1519
01:08:14.340 --> 01:08:16.439
Jordan Alvarez 10 points yeah okay there it is Greg
1520
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.300
oh I I mean oh god he was bad.
1521
01:08:21.689 --> 01:08:24.649
I just I don't know maybe I should just say
1522
01:08:25.229 --> 01:08:29.710
you know what fine fine fine Chandler Simpson.
1523
01:08:29.350 --> 01:08:36.489
7 points Jeff that's fine um uh let's go with
1524
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:38.310
Otto Lopez.
1525
01:08:37.899 --> 01:08:40.159
6 points Greg.
1526
01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:42.720
I'm better at this than I thought I would.
1527
01:08:43.659 --> 01:08:45.359
I'm going to be bad here. I'm going to say
1528
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:48.100
Louisa Rice. Eight points. Oh, okay.
1529
01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:50.619
That's what I was going to say before Chandler Simpson.
1530
01:08:50.689 --> 01:08:52.729
But then Jeff said Chandler Simpson and I felt like.
1531
01:08:52.609 --> 01:08:52.869
I had to.
1532
01:08:53.609 --> 01:08:55.829
He hit okay in Philly, I guess. Not enough to.
1533
01:08:56.569 --> 01:08:58.390
Yeah, he was hitting quite well before Philly.
1534
01:08:58.989 --> 01:09:09.289
Yeah. Now it gets... Now it gets tricky. Batting average.
1535
01:09:09.350 --> 01:09:11.350
Anybody else that might have hit 300 this year?
1536
01:09:13.569 --> 01:09:14.350
Three other people.
1537
01:09:14.649 --> 01:09:15.840
Three other people, wow.
1538
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:18.039
One of them exactly 300th.
1539
01:09:24.010 --> 01:09:26.850
I don't think McGonagall. McGonagall's like 280-something, I think. I
1540
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:31.760
don't think it's him. Let's try... CJ Abrams?
1541
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:38.319
Nope. Craig, for the win. Or potentially tie if you
1542
01:09:38.350 --> 01:09:40.029
get 10, because you're down by a point.
1543
01:09:43.970 --> 01:09:45.430
Oh, you know, I know what I should have done now.
1544
01:09:46.970 --> 01:09:55.449
I think he was up there. This is not You
1545
01:09:55.489 --> 01:09:59.270
know what? I'm going to say Fernando Tatis Jr. For
1546
01:09:59.310 --> 01:10:00.069
unfortunately not.
1547
01:10:00.430 --> 01:10:02.130
Okay. Um, was Xavier Edwards on it?
1548
01:10:02.850 --> 01:10:05.869
No. No. Okay. So going up from the bottom, Yanni Diaz,
1549
01:10:05.890 --> 01:10:09.659
two 93 is 10th. Ty France, two 95, Michael Harris,
1550
01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:13.560
two 94. So I'm not really sure. Yeah. I guess
1551
01:10:13.939 --> 01:10:16.800
Ty France was eighth. Michael Harris was nine.
1552
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:19.060
Did France not have enough at bats? So he had
1553
01:10:19.100 --> 01:10:21.279
to get the penalty for not having enough at bats.
1554
01:10:21.939 --> 01:10:23.600
TJ Rumfeld hit exactly 300. Oh yeah.
1555
01:10:23.619 --> 01:10:30.409
Um, nick gonzalez hit 303 no absolutely not yes absolutely
1556
01:10:30.470 --> 01:10:33.989
not and you watch not in a million years probably
1557
01:10:34.069 --> 01:10:34.470
is it.
1558
01:10:34.630 --> 01:10:37.069
Then he had five ty france at 500 so if
1559
01:10:37.100 --> 01:10:39.619
you if he went over two he probably drops.
1560
01:10:39.460 --> 01:10:42.300
Below yeah so it's yeah this one was 162 times.
1561
01:10:42.140 --> 01:10:45.899
Three all right sorry for that yeah all right and
1562
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:48.479
uh gabriel moreno was second place overall.
1563
01:10:48.220 --> 01:10:51.699
Wow yeah i don't know that bad i i Tatis,
1564
01:10:51.779 --> 01:10:54.899
because my theory on Tatis was he hit for average
1565
01:10:54.939 --> 01:10:57.239
while not hitting for power, and then he had a
1566
01:10:57.260 --> 01:10:59.699
good second half, was basically where I was going with that.
1567
01:11:00.310 --> 01:11:05.869
All right, Colin, tapping into my energy. Craig, stolen bases.
1568
01:11:06.430 --> 01:11:11.289
Oh, damn it.
1569
01:11:12.569 --> 01:11:17.090
Boy, you know, I knew this, too, at some point.
1570
01:11:19.060 --> 01:11:21.300
You know what? Fine, fine, fine.
1571
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:23.819
Chandler Simpson.
1572
01:11:23.859 --> 01:11:26.319
Well done, Colin. You just lured him right in. Nine
1573
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:28.920
points for Greg on Chandler Simpson. Fine.
1574
01:11:28.939 --> 01:11:30.739
If I wasn't caught stealing, then you'd have gotten ten.
1575
01:11:30.770 --> 01:11:34.399
I would have known that, yeah. Sugar.
1576
01:11:35.210 --> 01:11:36.310
Let's do Bryce Trang.
1577
01:11:37.590 --> 01:11:38.909
Bryce Trang is not on the list.
1578
01:11:39.069 --> 01:11:39.569
Really?
1579
01:11:39.890 --> 01:11:40.149
Yeah.
1580
01:11:40.449 --> 01:11:43.090
Greg, you can jump out to a big lead. Yeah,
1581
01:11:43.130 --> 01:11:45.529
thanks for saying that. Hmm.
1582
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:51.979
No, he got hurt and then didn't... Ah, shit.
1583
01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:52.670
I had it.
1584
01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:58.970
Pete Krum Armstrong. Yeah, why not the guy who went 40-40?
1585
01:11:58.970 --> 01:11:59.689
7 points.
1586
01:12:01.970 --> 01:12:02.810
Elie de la Cruz?
1587
01:12:04.090 --> 01:12:04.949
Also not on the list.
1588
01:12:05.050 --> 01:12:07.949
He didn't run much this year. I kept thinking him
1589
01:12:08.430 --> 01:12:09.449
and then I knew he didn't.
1590
01:12:09.270 --> 01:12:10.170
Run that much this year.
1591
01:12:11.590 --> 01:12:12.189
Oh, God.
1592
01:12:12.510 --> 01:12:15.390
There's another guy that caught a fair.
1593
01:12:15.810 --> 01:12:20.119
Why can't I remember? Um... I like how your way
1594
01:12:20.180 --> 01:12:21.960
of thinking of stolen bases is just who got caught
1595
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:22.279
a lot.
1596
01:12:22.460 --> 01:12:24.640
No, no. I just remember there was a guy who...
1597
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.859
There was a non-Chandler Simpson guy who ran a lot
1598
01:12:27.939 --> 01:12:29.220
and also got caught a lot.
1599
01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:36.180
Yeah. And I'm not... You know what?
1600
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:36.699
I'm just.
1601
01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:38.699
You said his name before and it's sticking in my
1602
01:12:38.729 --> 01:12:41.010
head and I feel like maybe he ran some this year.
1603
01:12:41.449 --> 01:12:45.869
I'm going to say Michael Harris. No. No? Okay.
1604
01:12:47.029 --> 01:12:47.590
Nico Horner?
1605
01:12:48.909 --> 01:12:52.869
No. Wow, Jeff, shut up. All right, well, you guys
1606
01:12:52.909 --> 01:12:55.930
missed a lot of juniors on this list. I took
1607
01:12:55.989 --> 01:12:57.010
a guy in the second.
1608
01:12:58.010 --> 01:12:58.930
What?
1609
01:12:58.970 --> 01:13:00.149
Michael Harris is a second.
1610
01:13:00.250 --> 01:13:04.359
He is a second. Well, that's enough. C.J. Abrams.
1611
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:05.520
Oh, C.J.
1612
01:13:05.539 --> 01:13:09.539
Abrams, yeah. Tied for eighth, four players. Otto Lopez, Estuary Ruiz,
1613
01:13:09.819 --> 01:13:11.359
Jose Caballero, C.J. Abrams.
1614
01:13:11.550 --> 01:13:12.399
Sure.
1615
01:13:12.510 --> 01:13:14.060
Seventh, Jose Ramirez at 37.
1616
01:13:14.050 --> 01:13:14.130
Hmm.
1617
01:13:15.979 --> 01:13:17.979
Sixth is Fernando Tatis Jr., 38.
1618
01:13:17.979 --> 01:13:21.729
He got caught a lot. That's who I was thinking of.
1619
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:23.739
The guy I said in the last friggin' answer.
1620
01:13:24.340 --> 01:13:28.199
Tied with PCA at 41 was Jazz Chisholm Jr. Had
1621
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:30.039
no idea. No idea.
1622
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.600
He said he was going to go 50-50.
1623
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:35.149
Third place, Bobby Witt Jr.
1624
01:13:35.930 --> 01:13:38.489
I thought about saying him and then I was just
1625
01:13:38.550 --> 01:13:39.329
not sure of myself.
1626
01:13:40.010 --> 01:13:41.909
And then finally, the guy who actually led the league
1627
01:13:42.069 --> 01:13:46.100
in stolen bases, Nassim Nunez, 49.
1628
01:13:46.100 --> 01:13:48.010
How does he get on base enough to do that?
1629
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:51.069
All 49 times that he got on base, he stole second.
1630
01:13:51.670 --> 01:13:56.649
All right. Jeff, we're now getting into the bullshit categories.
1631
01:13:57.130 --> 01:13:57.909
Enjoy doubles.
1632
01:13:58.939 --> 01:13:59.640
Doubles.
1633
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.159
Craig is currently up 31 to 16, by the way.
1634
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:04.140
Doubles.
1635
01:14:04.260 --> 01:14:05.020
I might give it back.
1636
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:07.119
Let's go with Kevin McGonigal.
1637
01:14:08.010 --> 01:14:10.340
Kevin McGonagall is not on the list. Are you serious?
1638
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:10.840
He didn't?
1639
01:14:11.060 --> 01:14:13.100
Oh my god, wow. Okay, not good.
1640
01:14:13.699 --> 01:14:17.000
I'm worried about this answer because I know a lot
1641
01:14:17.060 --> 01:14:20.659
of his are triples, but I assume he also gets
1642
01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:22.550
a lot of doubles. I'm going to say Corbin Carroll.
1643
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:26.409
No, not on the list. Okay.
1644
01:14:26.710 --> 01:14:29.010
Doubles. I don't like him.
1645
01:14:29.130 --> 01:14:32.010
Bigger park, maybe?
1646
01:14:32.029 --> 01:14:32.090
Um.
1647
01:14:40.750 --> 01:14:43.470
Number one floors me. I cannot believe this guy.
1648
01:14:43.489 --> 01:14:44.689
He got a lot of hits, so I'm just going
1649
01:14:44.710 --> 01:14:45.649
to say Jordan Alvarez.
1650
01:14:46.250 --> 01:14:48.869
Jordan Alvarez tied for 10th. One point.
1651
01:14:48.890 --> 01:14:50.470
Okay, well, I'm on the board at least.
1652
01:14:50.489 --> 01:14:51.090
I'm on the board.
1653
01:14:51.109 --> 01:14:52.909
I'm going to go with Randy or Rosarena.
1654
01:14:53.899 --> 01:14:54.840
Tied for 10th.
1655
01:14:55.140 --> 01:14:55.640
One point.
1656
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:59.460
That's too bad.
1657
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:00.199
Doubles.
1658
01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:09.680
Yeah. Hmm. It was a tough list, guys.
1659
01:15:09.819 --> 01:15:14.159
It's going to be like a weird list, isn't it?
1660
01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:15.899
They're all going to be like guys that you get
1661
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:18.430
kind of mad are on the list, but also we'll
1662
01:15:18.470 --> 01:15:22.090
have to admit we're on the list. It's not crazy names,
1663
01:15:22.170 --> 01:15:27.210
just kind of upsettingly familiar names. And some of them
1664
01:15:27.229 --> 01:15:33.149
are a little crazy. Like, I cannot believe number one. Doubles.
1665
01:15:33.329 --> 01:15:45.119
Let's go with... let's go with peter armstrong just assume
1666
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:49.890
he intervals nope nope great all right home runs and
1667
01:15:49.909 --> 01:15:52.090
triples apparently greg um.
1668
01:15:53.149 --> 01:15:57.250
Yeah yeah i had a name and i it just
1669
01:15:57.390 --> 01:15:59.590
it just vacated my my.
1670
01:15:59.489 --> 01:16:03.510
Brain uh uh you know what i'm gonna say bobby wood.
1671
01:16:03.409 --> 01:16:06.810
Jr no no really.
1672
01:16:06.350 --> 01:16:10.140
Yeah okay starting from the bottom you know All right,
1673
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.000
Matt Olsen at 34 to tie with Jordan and Randy.
1674
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:13.479
Okay.
1675
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:17.039
Carter Jensen, 35. No, pick the Ronald Royal.
1676
01:16:17.060 --> 01:16:19.319
Ronald Royal, Wright Park, yeah.
1677
01:16:19.739 --> 01:16:23.859
All tied for fifth, we got Brandon Nimmo, Raphael Devers,
1678
01:16:24.539 --> 01:16:30.779
Bryson Stott, and Michael Harris II. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Tied
1679
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:34.079
for third, we get Alec Burleson and Jeff Sancer from previous,
1680
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:34.739
Bryce Durang.
1681
01:16:35.420 --> 01:16:35.939
Okay.
1682
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.319
Number two, a guy both of you love, William Abreu.
1683
01:16:39.069 --> 01:16:41.729
I almost said Willier, but I thought the wall, because
1684
01:16:41.770 --> 01:16:43.329
he's left-handed, I thought he wouldn't.
1685
01:16:44.369 --> 01:16:48.050
And finally, the guy who led the league in doubles,
1686
01:16:48.170 --> 01:16:48.989
Brian Reynolds.
1687
01:16:49.729 --> 01:16:52.090
Yeah, I was thinking, after you said Nick Gonzalez, I
1688
01:16:52.109 --> 01:16:54.220
started to get pirates in my head, because that's a
1689
01:16:54.300 --> 01:16:54.760
pretty big stadium.
1690
01:16:54.779 --> 01:16:58.579
I don't care for the number of pirates you're saying. Yeah,
1691
01:16:58.819 --> 01:17:03.439
frankly upsetting. All right, last category. Craig, you get to
1692
01:17:03.460 --> 01:17:09.310
go first. It is hit by pitches. Ooh, okay, okay. Okay.
1693
01:17:09.930 --> 01:17:15.439
All right. Sam Antonacci. Nine points. Oh, I thought he
1694
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:15.939
was first.
1695
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:18.239
I know. Most gets hit by a lot of pitches.
1696
01:17:18.260 --> 01:17:18.659
All right, Jeff.
1697
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:19.460
Brandon Geyer.
1698
01:17:20.260 --> 01:17:20.479
What?
1699
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:22.840
Brandon Geyer gets hit by a lot of pitches.
1700
01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:23.380
Yeah, thanks.
1701
01:17:23.939 --> 01:17:24.340
Ron Hunt.
1702
01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.789
I think that's something I should know. I remember seeing
1703
01:17:28.829 --> 01:17:37.130
his OBP is like all getting hit by pitches. Caleb Durbin.
1704
01:17:38.220 --> 01:17:43.819
Caleb Durbin is tied for 10th, one point. Now that
1705
01:17:43.859 --> 01:17:48.250
we're past Sam Antonacci, I don't know. I don't think
1706
01:17:48.289 --> 01:17:49.930
I could have gotten any of these.
1707
01:17:50.010 --> 01:17:51.590
Even number one, Patrick?
1708
01:17:52.329 --> 01:17:53.970
No, I don't think I would have gotten number one.
1709
01:17:54.069 --> 01:17:55.989
I did not hear him connected to this in any
1710
01:17:56.050 --> 01:18:01.510
way throughout the season. Interesting. Okay. There's one other guy
1711
01:18:01.550 --> 01:18:03.210
on this list that I went, okay, yeah, I think
1712
01:18:03.250 --> 01:18:05.310
I remember hearing about him getting hit a bunch. This
1713
01:18:05.390 --> 01:18:06.529
is just.
1714
01:18:07.069 --> 01:18:09.310
General play style? I'm going to say Brandon Nimmo.
1715
01:18:09.930 --> 01:18:10.569
Yeah.
1716
01:18:10.609 --> 01:18:10.750
No.
1717
01:18:11.130 --> 01:18:11.789
Okay. Fine.
1718
01:18:13.270 --> 01:18:21.909
I feel like Otuve gets hit a fair bit.
1719
01:18:23.270 --> 01:18:28.390
Nope. Craig, your last guess. You have one, by the way. Yes.
1720
01:18:28.949 --> 01:18:36.340
Take your victory lap. Okay. I will say... I don't know.
1721
01:18:37.020 --> 01:18:40.510
He leans over the plate. I'll say Jordan Alvarez, since
1722
01:18:40.510 --> 01:18:43.050
Jeff has taken him every other time.
1723
01:18:43.050 --> 01:18:44.369
No, that's fine. Jeff?
1724
01:18:44.369 --> 01:18:50.100
Um um let's go with I feel like it's hit
1725
01:18:50.220 --> 01:18:53.539
a lot like really did he played a fair bit
1726
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:54.600
Jeff McNeil.
1727
01:18:55.720 --> 01:19:00.220
No so uh congratulations to Greg who wins 41 to
1728
01:19:00.220 --> 01:19:05.560
18 your uh 10th place Henry Bolte uh Tyler Freeman.
1729
01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:09.750
Dylan why are you hitting Tyler Freeman yeah I.
1730
01:19:09.710 --> 01:19:14.520
Know Seventh was Joe Adele. Sixth, Isak Paredes. Hit the
1731
01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:18.079
wrong Astros middle infielder. Fifth, the only guy I thought
1732
01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:20.000
of as being hit, just because I think it's, like,
1733
01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:25.140
actually injured him several times, Luke Kieschel. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Kieschel, yeah.
1734
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:27.779
You know, at no point in this entire game did
1735
01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:32.340
I think of the Twins. Like, never. Running through teams, like, well,
1736
01:19:32.380 --> 01:19:35.619
what team runs a lot? There's, like, no situation where.
1737
01:19:35.270 --> 01:19:37.569
I would have. 2027, Jeff, at no point. No. That's
1738
01:19:37.829 --> 01:19:41.420
what I think about. Speaking of which, Guy, who I
1739
01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:43.739
would have expected, he was one off from the leaderboard.
1740
01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:45.539
Probably would have gotten there if he qualified. Ty France
1741
01:19:45.579 --> 01:19:45.890
only had 14.
1742
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:46.279
Yeah.
1743
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:50.359
So that's probably the guy I would have guessed. Wilson Contreras.
1744
01:19:50.869 --> 01:19:53.250
Yeah, that's true. He gets cranky every time you hear
1745
01:19:53.270 --> 01:19:53.449
about it.
1746
01:19:53.449 --> 01:19:57.010
Just because you want to hit Wilson Contreras. Randy Orozarena
1747
01:19:57.050 --> 01:19:58.250
was third with 26.
1748
01:19:58.250 --> 01:19:58.449
Huh.
1749
01:19:58.949 --> 01:20:01.750
And the number one hit by pitch guy over in Antonacci,
1750
01:20:01.770 --> 01:20:05.949
who I definitely thought was number one, is Yvonne Herrera. Really?
1751
01:20:05.979 --> 01:20:06.199
Yeah.
1752
01:20:06.500 --> 01:20:06.739
Yeah.
1753
01:20:07.060 --> 01:20:08.369
He does step right at the plate.
1754
01:20:08.390 --> 01:20:10.029
He's right on the plate. That is true.
1755
01:20:10.310 --> 01:20:10.489
Yeah.
1756
01:20:10.930 --> 01:20:11.090
Yeah.
1757
01:20:11.489 --> 01:20:11.630
Okay.
1758
01:20:11.670 --> 01:20:14.340
All right. How many did he have? He had 31.
1759
01:20:14.329 --> 01:20:20.680
He's 29. Yeah. Impressive. Yeah. All right. All right.
1760
01:20:20.689 --> 01:20:22.819
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1761
01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:24.659
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1762
01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:26.920
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01:20:26.939 --> 01:20:29.779
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01:20:29.819 --> 01:20:31.439
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