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Returning to ChamberTalk with chamber CEO Andrew Gregson, Fullerton School District Board Trustee Ruthi Hanchett reflects on what the district has accomplished, the work underway today, and where she believes it needs to go next.
From eighth graders using their woodshop skills to build tiny homes for families in need to a nationally recognized debate program and continued efforts to strengthen student safety, Ruthi shares some of the programs, people, and initiatives helping shape the Fullerton School District.
The conversation also looks at the challenges facing schools today, including student mental health, cell phones in the classroom, digital citizenship, online safety, and supporting students and families during times of uncertainty.
As Ruthi moves forward in her campaign to represent Area 4 and seeks a second term on the Board of Trustees, she also discusses what she would like to build upon, where she sees opportunities for continued improvement, and her priorities for the district in the years ahead.
It is a candid conversation about public education, community, student achievement, safety, and what it takes to keep moving a school district forward.
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Hi, welcome to Chamber Talk. I'm Andrew, and today we are honoured to have Ruthie
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Hanchett, who is the president of the Fullerton School District Board,
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and she's also full circle now.
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She's finishing her term, and she's campaigning now for her next term,
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and she was originally on our fourth ever episode back in October 2022.
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Thanks, Ruthie, for coming back on. It's great to be back.
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So I want to, if you could cast your mind back a little bit I want to start
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off with a little bit of the conversation that we had back in 2022 When you were first campaigning,
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What sort of comes to mind that was going through your mind at the time?
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Obviously you're a lot more senior in the years now So what was going through
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your mind at that time? Hmm,
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You know, I was really excited. I didn't know a lot.
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I've learned so much. And that experience of campaigning really was so valuable.
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I got to know our community a lot better. And I discovered a lot about myself as well.
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I discovered how much I love meeting people, hearing their stories.
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That inspired me to want to continue to do the work even more so and bring those
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stories, those experiences, our pride and our kids and our community to the
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Fullerton School District.
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Since being on the board, there's so much to learn, so much nuance and complexity
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to a huge organization with over 2,000 staff members and 11,000 students that we serve.
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But while I've learned so much, the joy, the bedrock reason I ran continues to be the same.
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Just deep care for our kids, wanting to see our community grow,
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and just a strong conviction that public education is the most important tool
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we have to transform our society and such a powerful way that we can make a difference.
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Now, one of the things you mentioned there, because there's a few there that
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the questions we've got to ask, but there's one thing that stood out there.
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You were saying that obviously the experience, it was so different than what you imagined.
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Do you mind touching on maybe a couple of things that stick in your mind that
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are experiences that maybe none of us would even think about for somebody running in such a position.
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When I think about what maybe surprised me, on the one hand,
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I think I underestimated or couldn't experience or know how much joy and just pride and joy.
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Deep gratitude for our school district that I've gained through having this
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role and having this insider knowledge of what we do.
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We are innovative. Fullerton School District does things that nobody else does,
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whether that's new, innovative things like our tiny home and serving our community
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and building, you know, school.
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Our eighth graders are building houses for people experiencing homelessness,
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too. We just found out we won for the, I think, sixth time in a row national
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championship debate team.
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Two of our schools took home co-winners of the national debate team for junior
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high of the entire nation. That's going to be like a record.
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It's amazing. It is a record. We keep beating the record.
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You know, so much pride and so much just appreciation for our teachers and our
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staff that work so hard and are innovative and committed every single day to
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love our kids and serve them well.
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But I think on the other flip side, one of the things that I would say is hard,
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but still worth it, is really knowing the depth of,
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pain that our kids experience, too, being there when things don't go well,
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whether that's a personal tragedy of a family or a child.
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There were moments where we had families taken away by ice last summer.
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We've had, I know, kids experiencing homelessness, hungry.
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Suicide attempts, things like that that really threaten the well-being of our
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kids, that when you're on the board, you have that insider information and you
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have to make quick decisions sometimes about how to respond and support our
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staff through those hard times.
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And I think it's a little bit like being a parent.
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The joy is worth it, but it's a heavy burden to carry as well.
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Now, I don't wish to make light of it. So we will touch back onto the ice and.
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That type of topics in a moment.
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But you did mention something that I know a lot of businesses get involved with
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and sponsor sometimes is the tiny house or the tiny home.
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Do you mind sharing a little bit about that program so other listeners can hear
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about it and what it's about and maybe even want to get involved next time.
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Absolutely. Yeah. And there's lots we can learn on the Fullerton School website
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to learn more if people want to find out more.
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But it's this incredible partnership that we've created over the years.
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I think it's we've just finished our third tiny home. And when I say we,
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it's really our eighth grade students and all the partners that have come around
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them, seventh and eighth grade students at Nicholas Junior High.
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But this program started a few years ago when our staff were looking for something
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innovative, creative to do that not only gave opportunities for our students
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to try something new, but also could solve some real world problems and help
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them face some challenges.
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So we came up with this idea. Pablo Diaz was the person who suggested it.
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But our innovative team just really ran with it, introducing this concept to
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bring woodcraft and construction and development to Nicholas Junior High.
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So it's become a course that students are able to take with woodshop and others and construction.
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It's become actually an academy where students could take it multiple years in a row.
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And in that time, they learn the skills that they need to build a home.
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And so they practice by building an actual tiny home. And so now they've completed
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three different tiny homes, which are then located at a Fullerton School District property.
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And we've created a little village of families that, because Fullerton School
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District works with our families that are experiencing homelessness,
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we are able to then identify families that would really benefit from this opportunity
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to have free, supportive housing for a period of time.
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And we now are looking at our third family able to move into this tiny home
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that our eighth graders really built.
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And I think one of the really great things about this partnership is it's brought
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our community together.
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So we've seen, as you mentioned, you know, from the Chamber of Commerce to ROP.
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To the building and trade unions, to many of the construction companies in our community.
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They've donated from Home Depot donating, I think, countertops and appliances
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to Window donating windows.
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We've had many folks come up and show up to help roofing and flooring and things
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like that, both training and teaching our students, but also donating their
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service, their time and their goods to make sure that this is a quality home
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where families do actually want to live.
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And then the Fullerton Education Foundation is the other group that has really
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donated a lot of the seed money to get this program started and continuing to support that.
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We just received a really large grant from the Orange County Department of Ed
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in order to help pay for the curriculum and the teachers, because,
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again, it has to be about teaching, right?
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So they're really funding that piece of it that's about the instruction,
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the learning and opportunities for our students to learn these skills and trades.
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That we are really excited about that grant that allows us to continue to offer
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these courses to our students going forward.
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And then when you have projects like this, which turn into, you know,
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a big part of the school curriculum, are you, are these, is it like after hours type curriculum?
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Are you allowed to put it into your own, like the school hours?
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How does that work? Yeah, it's their elective. Oh, okay.
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So these junior hires at Nicholas, many of them are taking it as two different electives.
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So most junior high students have two electives.
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So whether that's, you know, band and art or theater or whatever it is they
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choose, these students are choosing to do this woodshop construction course.
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Oh, that's fantastic. And that's what they're, so they're learning,
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you know, getting academic credit. Right. They're learning these important skills
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and they're building a house for families to enjoy. Yeah, no,
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it's three in one for sure, isn't it? It's amazing that. And you'll always use it. Yeah.
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And our teacher, Musio Vidalis, Mr. Vidalis, is an incredible instructor who's
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really mentored our kids and really made this a success as well.
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That's fantastic. That's great to hear.
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And it is wonderful to see. I remember going there for the first one. And.
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It's a lot of work that folks have put in there as well. A lot of love,
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care and attention. And you can see how the community have come together.
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The school districts really pulled that in. It's really lovely to see that.
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One of the things that I noticed and see throughout the district is over the
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last three years, a lot of things have changed.
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And you sort of touched on that topic a moment with these ice raids and things
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like that. And I do remember you were a great advocate for the school district,
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whether it was in front of the camera or whether it was just in local community events.
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Looking back over the last three years, what surprised you the most about that?
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Was it that? Was it other things? What was the biggest surprise you've seen during your tenure?
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Yeah, I mean, that certainly has been one of the biggest challenges that we
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faced. And I think it's not only a challenge and a threat to our kids and their
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families, but really to foundationally the right to public education.
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Because these challenges and what we're seeing right now at the federal level
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to dismantle the Department of Education, whether that's taking away funding
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and oversight for children with disabilities, children from immigrant families and status,
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and others, we're really seeing this undermining of public education and the
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right of every single child, no matter who they are, who their family is,
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where they came from, what their abilities, to have the best, inclusive.
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Free, and appropriate education.
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So that, I guess I maybe didn't anticipate that being such a huge challenge,
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but I'm so grateful to be in the position I'm in and the power that I have to
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continue to be a voice for our kids.
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And not only just here in Fullerton, but really hopefully adding to those voices
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that are fighting to make sure that public education continues and that we have
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full funding and support for that no matter who and what, because these are our kids
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and their future and our future as a society and a democracy really depends
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on them getting an excellent education.
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Now, not to most folks, you know, it sounds...
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Way political and, you know, they're not quite sure the process.
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Would you mind sharing with us some of the things that you and even the staff
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of the school have to go through, through these processes? Like we're all understanding.
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Yes, you might go to your local senator or your writer.
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What is going on behind the scenes? Yeah. Well, for us, I feel like we sort
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of turn inward in many ways and ask the questions, how do we keep our kids safe?
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How do we make sure that they come to school every day and know that they're
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going to be taken care of, that they're welcome, they're wanted,
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they're safe where they're at.
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And that parents feel that too, because they're, you know, they're not going
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to send their kids to school if they don't feel comfortable.
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Leave them there, right, right. Yeah.
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And our kids are facing these fears in very real ways. I mean,
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I was thinking about last summer where we had a lot of activity here in Fullerton
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and the greater North Orange County area.
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Where, you know, ice raids were happening daily and families were afraid to leave their homes.
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And kids were afraid if they went to school, you know, we continue to have summer
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school, that if they came home, their parents may not be there.
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And because of that, families weren't leaving the home. They weren't necessarily working.
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We experienced a lot of families struggling to pay the bills,
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to have food, and just the mental health toll that that took on families and
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kids, where they literally were inside all summer.
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Instead of going to the park or hanging out with friends, they really felt unsafe to leave their homes.
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So we responded it so quickly. But even backing up to that, you know,
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really, it was in November 2024 when, um,
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When we knew that the Trump administration would be making changes to national
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policies, and we sort of basically I gathered my colleague, Vanessa Estrella,
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who had been absolutely newly elected to the board weeks within her election.
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We gathered some of our experts in the community that know immigration,
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know the challenges that we would probably be facing and said,
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how do we make sure our kids are safe?
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And that started with asking the questions of our staff. Who has data? Who has information?
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Are we keeping information about legal status, you know, where kids were born?
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Answer is no. But we wanted to make sure that information was protected.
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And we made sure families knew that so they felt comfortable and safe.
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And we said, you know, if you gave a birth certificate when you registered your
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kid to come to kindergarten, you can come pull that out. It doesn't have to be in their file.
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All we need to know is they're five, they can come to kindergarten.
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You know, so really making sure families felt safe and comfortable, starting with data.
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Then we trained our staff. We asked the questions, you know,
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what happens if somebody shows up and asked to have access to our campus,
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to our kids, to our information?
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How should they respond? Making sure that those were really airtight.
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We've shared that information with families. We've really made a big effort
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to reach out to families to make sure that they knew their rights.
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So we brought on legal experts. We asked questions and had them explain what
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their rights are, no matter what your legal status, what your rights are.
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Your child has absolutely the right to come to school every single day and receive
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a public education in California and the United States.
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And then we talked about, you know, what does it mean to keep families safe,
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to be prepared if the worst happens?
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If your family was separated and someone had to leave the country,
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how could we make sure American citizen kids have passports,
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are able to travel and be reunited with family when necessary?
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Who would take care of your kids? How do we make sure they've got an affidavit
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it and information so that their trusted loved ones know how to take care of
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them and care for them well.
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So just asking all those questions, helping our families feel as prepared as
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possible in the conditions we're in, and then making it very clear and pushing
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back on the rhetoric that, you know, we want our kids, we love our kids,
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they're our children, and they're welcome and wanted here.
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And so making sure that that was clear from the ways that we communicated with
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kids, resources we put out to the families, whether that was,
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communicating through teachers and staff and principals. We sent home guidance
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on how to talk to your kids about immigration, you know, just helping parents
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deal with the tough time they're in, making sure that they knew we had their
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back, we supported them.
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And, you know, this was a priority for us as a district. So that started with
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a resolution at the district level that myself and then Vanessa and I brought forward.
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You know, our staff, I was so grateful and proud of the way that they really
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embrace this challenge.
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And then we became a leader to the community.
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You know, I gathered folks last August from other school districts and we shared
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best practices. And I said, this is what we're doing in Fullerton.
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You can learn from our examples.
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Here, you know, here's the template, please use it. And other school districts
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throughout the county also adopted some of our practices as well.
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So I'm going to go into another question, which sort of comes off what you were just mentioning there.
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And I'd like to say thank you very much for what you guys did there,
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because it sounds like the school district really as a whole took that very
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seriously and made everyone feel comfortable and safe at the same time.
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And you sort of mentioned this a little bit before about having to make sure
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that there was a comfort level and that people were able to seek help where needed.
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So, and you started off with a story where, you know, a family had sort of like
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gone missing and maybe kids were at school and what have you.
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What happens in that instance for the school district? I mean,
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we don't really think about that, do we? We just see on the TV a raid,
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people getting put in a van.
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But, I mean, what, the kids let on their own to defend? What happens?
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Well, fortunately, we haven't had too many examples of that.
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But we have, we've had families, our students in Fullerton that have faced those
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situations where family members, loved ones have been disappeared,
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have been taken by ice and relocated.
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Yeah. So it's been very challenging.
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What we've done is try to, as best we can, help families prepare so that it's,
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I mean, it's always an emergency. It's always a crisis.
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But at least giving them a sense of having some preparedness so that there's
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not now who's in charge, who's going to take care of our children.
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And so in some instances, I can say family members, relatives stepped up.
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In some cases, those kids left our district because the family member lived
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far enough away that it didn't make sense for them to continue to come to Fullerton School District.
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Even though they then we supported them in that transition to enroll in a new
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school district to have the support they need and to follow up as best we can
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to make sure their needs were being met.
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Yeah, it's it's tragic.
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Now, you mentioned something there. I remember in the news a little bit ago,
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and there was a little bit of
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controversy regarding how the state of California had changed some type of,
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regulation or ruling regarding who can just pick up your kids.
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And I know for many years, schools have been extremely disciplined as to,
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you're not on the list, you can't pick them up.
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What was going on? Do you mind sharing what that was about? Yeah,
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there was a lot of controversy around that.
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And I mean, I heard the first time I think I ever heard of it,
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someone said, did you hear that traffickers can now take your children out of
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school? And I was like, you know, I've been working in anti-trafficking for
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about 20 years and I don't think that's how this works.
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So, no, that's not how it is.
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But, you know, it really was just a way for families to gain that sense of control
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and power to ensure that the right people were going to be there for their kids if they needed it.
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And so it doesn't transfer the power of, you know, you're not suddenly the new
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guardian and the new parent.
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It just allows for that temporary care for kids.
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And that's what we want is kids to be with somebody that they know and trust
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and their parents have said, this is the right person for my kid.
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And, you know, so the school district doesn't get involved in making the decision
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about who cares for your children.
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We simply respect the law and the certified paperwork that says this best friend
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or neighbor or auntie or cousin or Tia, whoever it might be that the parents
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have designated is now the person that can care for kids when parents aren't able.
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And I mean, that's the worst case possible choice for a parent to have to make that decision.
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You know, so it really is important.
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Not in a last minute a last resort choice that parents are having to make these
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days and so we want to just make it as easy as possible for parents to have
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that little bit of peace that they've got somebody who's going to care for their kids if they can't
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well it sort of makes sense because a lot of a lot of parents both are working
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now aren't they anything could happen could break down on the freeway trying
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to get up the other one can't get out of work right now or it's tried too far
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away yeah who's going to pick up your little one i totally understand that yeah i mean
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Every time you register your kid for school, you fill out,
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who's allowed to pick up your kid. Right. I have one of my best friends on there.
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We're not related, but I know if I'm not going to make it, I can text her and
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she can pick up my kid. You know, so it's really not.
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It's not as open as everybody. No. It sounds like it. And it's meant to keep
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kids safe. And I think that's fundamentally what we're trying to do.
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So one of the things, obviously, three years now, congratulations.
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It's a full term, isn't it? Look at that.
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When you reflect back over the three years, what sort of accomplishments are
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you most personally proud of? Yeah.
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Well, we've already talked about our response to immigration and just the threat
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that that brought to public education. I would say that's definitely top of my list.
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But, you know, I came to the school district really wanting to bring a perspective
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of online safety and looking, you know,
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my background, my experience is anti-human trafficking, child abuse prevention,
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protection of children, and also youth engagement and empowering young people in that process.
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So one of the first acts I did as a new school district trustee was to introduce
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a board goal, which means really focusing all of our district energies and efforts
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around the idea of digital citizenship and online safety.
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So I have worked, like I said, for many years in anti-human trafficking online
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protection but what we're seeing right now is our kids greatest threats for
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sexual abuse exploitation trafficking really is happening online
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and so um and at the same time they're growing up online you know and as fullerton
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school district we have always had it well,
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since i've been around we've had a one-to-one ipad policy so we give kids technology but we um.
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I believed and I still believe we need to do a really excellent job of keeping
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them safe and equipping them and empowering them to know how to use that technology
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in a safe and healthy way.
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So one of my first acts was making sure that we had a focus on that.
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And so since then, we've introduced a lot more lessons through our social emotional
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learning curriculum, through our digital safety and,
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digital technology kind of awareness tools to help kids understand both the
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threats and the dangers that exist online.
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But also how to stay safe and what to do if they're in a compromising or dangerous
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situation, how to seek help from trusted adults, and really finding this balance
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of a healthy approach to technology and screen time.
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Because I think both there's real threats and dangers and risks,
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but then there's also just sort of this mental health issue of screen addictions
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that we're seeing absolutely affecting our kids.
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And so helping our kids navigate that, it's a really big challenge.
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I think for adults, we're figuring these things out.
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But that's a really critical, I think, part of a 21st century education is to
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know how to use these tools, but use them in a way that's healthy and safe and
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appropriate. So that was one of our first acts.
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One of my first things as a trustee was to make sure we brought that perspective
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to the board. And then I've seen it rolled out in many ways.
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Even just yesterday, we had a board meeting, and we were looking at the LCAP,
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the Local Control and Accountability Plan for our schools.
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And that's absolutely embedded in the ways that our schools are functioning,
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the goals that they have. Every single school is looking at how do we make sure
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we have digital wellness and digital safe citizenship online.
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So that's exciting to see that play out.
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I've also looked at safety from the perspective of we rolled back and really
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limited cell phones at school a couple years ago.
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We were seeing that cell phones were being used at the junior highs to help.
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Film fights, but it was sort of this performative effort where kids were filming
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fights and then posting them. And imagine this horrible thing happens and then
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it's all over social media and everybody's seeing it.
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So we really know that cell phones not only distract kids, keep them from learning
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in the classroom, but it's that constant kind of FOMO fear of missing out that
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someone's doing saying something online and I'm not there.
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And so it really contributes to their sense of anxiety and anxiousness when
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they're at school. So by eliminating cell phones, we basically created a policy.
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I brought a policy that said from bell to bell, once they walk on campus, no cell phones at all.
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And this was a little bit before our governor also pushed for this legislation.
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So at the beginning, people were kind of like, oh, this will never work.
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Kids will fight back. Teachers will be spending all their time saying,
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put away your cell phones. And you know what? It worked.
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And to the point where teachers actually said, I didn't think it would,
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but thank you so much. It's made my job so much better.
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And so we really saw a change in that, you know, decrease in fights.
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I think we're seeing, yeah, the culture around cell phones really changed at
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our schools because of just from the top down, it was a no tolerance policy.
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We're just not going to do it. And we can do that.
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Well you know i think i think it is a very sensible idea because if you think about it this day and age,
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adults even do it they're trying to outdo each other to be that most famous
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one so why would not kids try and mimic that and do the same so taking away that,
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that thing that device that could make that happen i mean isn't that bad now
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you mentioned obviously because of your because of your experience and background,
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um and you were talking about how you're training.
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To see, you know, maybe things that are a little odd.
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You know, you know, these predators, they're very smart. They're always trying
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to outsmart everything.
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And I think of even our own child, she's not online very often at all,
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but the little bit she would be, she's not going to tell us till afterwards.
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Parents, again, you know, sometimes I'm stuck doing something on Instagram and
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the kid knows which button to push.
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What things can parents look for without seeming like they're over hovering
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over the kid regarding online predators and websites that you shouldn't go to?
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What advice would you give to them? Well, my first advice is delay as much as possible.
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I think that I'm raising two girls. They're 13 and 15.
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And I tell parents, the worst thing you can do for your daughter's self-esteem is social media.
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We just know from the research, it is not good for their well-being and their sense of self.
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Body image, it really is damaging. So I think as much as we can delay
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and then have open conversations about social media, and, you know,
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I know screens and technology, it's not all social media, but what we're seeing
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is actually gaming is a huge risk to our kids right now.
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It is absolutely a platform where predators, people exploit children.
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And so they build trusted relationships with kids.
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They may pretend to be a child themselves.
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They begin by innocent conversations, and then it turns into,
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send me an image, do this for me.
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And it escalates to sexual abuse or other forms of exploitation.
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We're seeing the fastest rising trend right now is teenage boys in financial and,
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sextortion, which is basically this idea of blackmail extortion,
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where someone usually begins with someone sends a nude image and then says, send me one of yours.
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And so oftentimes, teens think they're talking to a young, you know,
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attractive young girl, and they send a nude image.
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And then it's actually, I mean, in some cases, a man in Nigeria.
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Like there are literally international rings of these
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people who then exploit young boys and say either it escalates in the sexual
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content, you know, send me more or else I'll share it with everybody you know,
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or you'll be shamed because the entire football team will see this,
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how embarrassing this is.
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Or they ask for money. And so it's, if you don't send me $500,
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all your network will see this image.
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And not only is it illegal, you know, any sexual abuse images of children is
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always illegal and should be reported.
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But it really is leading to really dangerous consequences to the point where
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we've lost a lot of teenagers by suicide because they feel so trapped,
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so shamed by the way they've been exploited and abused in this situation.
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So, I, you know, I try to start with parents by saying it's so critical that
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we have open communication with our kids and say, you will never get in trouble
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for coming to me asking for help.
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We want our kids to know we make
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mistakes. You might do something that you regret. Stupid thing. Right?
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I will forgive you. We will get over it. I will help you get through this together.
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We don't want our kids to feel like they have to hide that from us because that's
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what leads to these, you know, endless consequences that cannot be reversed.
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These things can be fixed, right? So, and there are websites out there now.
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TakeItDown.com is, or through the National Center for Missing and Exploited
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Children is a great website that you can report even anonymously.
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And they will help remove nude images of children from platforms that have a
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partnership with them, like Instagram, TikTok, things like that.
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So there are ways to help kids navigate these really tough situations.
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But it starts with seeking help, of saying, I'm in a bad place and I need help.
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And parents not losing their minds and punishing and freaking out and shaming,
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but instead helping their kids through that process.
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So I think having those open conversations, I always say, you know,
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it's so critical to begin the conversation.
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Talk about it with our kids without shame, without judgment,
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but just say, you know, these things can happen and it's not a kid's fault.
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But I don't want you to be in that bad situation. So let's talk about how we can stay safer.
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And really, again, not like removing technology all completely,
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but helping them navigate it safely.
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Now, talking, you know, not having to go into privacy laws and all the other
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bits and pieces that go on,
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are there agencies, because we have a lot of security type agencies,
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do they somehow try to police some of these game consoles or is that not allowed?
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I mean, what is, you know, there's an issue there that we need to address it
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somehow. What is going on? Unfortunately, not enough.
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A lot of the big technology companies, whether that's Meta and,
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You know, Instagram and TikTok and social media, Google, the gaming platforms like Roblox.
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And there's just so many where there is not enough happening.
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And even the efforts, like I know there's been other countries have made more
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significant efforts, Australia, the UK, to really limit ages and who's allowed to use these spaces.
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And the jury's still out to see if that really makes it has an impact on how
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it protects kids, because I've
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been hearing a lot about even that forcing more to kind of the dark web.
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And, you know, obviously, they're kids are very smart and they can oftentimes
00:29:39.569 --> 00:29:43.567
get around a lot of the filters and ways that we're trying to keep them safe.
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You know, so that's why I think I always say I think kids will oftentimes find
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a way around the safeguards that we put up. So, again, it's a it's really about
00:29:52.209 --> 00:29:54.120
building trust and communication with your kids.
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Because, I mean, I think it's our job to create every filter and kind of barrier
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we can to keep kids from seeing and accessing things that are inappropriate for them.
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But we also have to talk to them about what to do when they do see it, when they do get there.
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Because we're not always there. And whether that's they go to a friend's house
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and a friend doesn't have the same filters and things that we do at our house
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or they pull up their phone and show them an image, you know,
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our kids need to be prepared to say, I don't like that. That makes me uncomfortable.
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I know that's not safe. I'm not going to look. Not because my mom will get mad,
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but really because it's for their own best interest as well. That makes sense. Yeah.
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So moving along from that a little bit, and then we'll move on to the real stuff
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because it's such a really good topic. It is real stuff. Thank you. It really is. Yeah.
00:30:38.388 --> 00:30:43.519
So what do you see with, I mean, you've helped it a little bit by sort of like
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conversating phones for a while. Cyber bullying.
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That's a big deal these days. Absolutely. There's a police all over that these days as well.
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What do you see? What's your experience and what are your mindset towards it?
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It absolutely happens. Yeah. And not only peer-to-peer kids.
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But we're seeing a huge growth with AI in the role it's playing in cyberbullying
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and exploitation and abuse.
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We're seeing reports all around the country and the globe of young people using
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AI nudification tools to create child abuse images of their peers.
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I mean, you know, 10 years ago when I was doing this work, I would say,
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don't post inappropriate pictures. Right.
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Now you can post your school yearbook photo and somebody can take it and nudify it.
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It's really scary. And so I think we have a responsibility as adults not only
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to talk to our kids about the important, like the ethics and really hold them
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accountable that this is harmful.
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Like if they're thinking about doing this, really talking about the consequences,
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that this is a crime and really helping them see, you know, be responsible not to create these images.
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But then also for our young people to again know there's no shame if someone
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has done this to you it's not your fault um and to help them walk through that
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process it's scary and hard and,
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but it's not the end of the world and so helping kids um walk through that if
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that's something a crime that's happened to them to get through it um,
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and and help them process that is a really important piece because unfortunately
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we're going to see more and more of it right and so we need to both as I think
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a school district, you know, we need to hold kids accountable when they make these bad choices.
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And, you know, help them learn through that lesson, but also support the trauma
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that comes from kids that have experienced those things.
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Now, we hear a lot about, you know, areas of safe spaces, especially in colleges, right?
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You know, the school, things like that. The safe space, great idea.
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But then is there somebody there to help you? Because you were talking before,
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really, you might need to talk to somebody.
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Is that something that schools are looking at now? High school,
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elementary? I don't know what level you're looking at. Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, we have mental health professionals at every single school. Yeah.
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So whether that's, you know, it may not be this issue specifically,
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but supporting our kids no matter what they're going through absolutely is critical.
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I mean, it is part of serving our children and it is part of public education
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now as we have to address the mental health challenges that our kids are facing.
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And, you know, exploitation and abuse is part of that. Now, you're mentioning
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before a little bit about how obviously funding can be a little bit challenging
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today than maybe it was a couple of years ago.
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Whether it continues or not, nobody knows. Everything's up in the air.
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So what types of things do you have to do to overcome these challenges?
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Because you can't just close down the science lab because I haven't got funding for it.
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What do you have to do as a district? Well, we just approved our budget for
00:33:47.195 --> 00:33:51.435
26, 25, 26, 27. We're there yet. Right. Yeah.
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26, 27. And the good news is Fullerton School District is doing really well.
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We are operating a,
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in the black. We've got some reserves, about $24 million that we've been able
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to kind of carry along through the years.
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And we're doing really well. Whereas many districts, because of declining enrollment,
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because of just financial uncertainties, they've been laying off teachers and
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they've had a lot of financial troubles.
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But we're doing well. And I'm really grateful for that. I'm really excited.
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That means we get to focus on, you know, serving our kids and doing what's good for them.
00:34:24.992 --> 00:34:27.801
We've also been really aggressive about going after grants.
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The state of California has provided a lot of support for what I would call
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like holistic wraparound services and support for kids.
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So we are benefiting from community schools grants, which allow us to serve
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some of our Title I schools with really additional supports for families that
00:34:43.502 --> 00:34:47.202
address like holistic needs of kids and families to make sure that they're thriving
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and learning well in school.
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And we also have some additional grants for after school programming.
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The state of California has really stepped up with what are called ELAP grants
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to provide after-school care for kids, and that's supporting our summer programming
00:35:00.732 --> 00:35:02.832
as well, so that families that work have a
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safe space and a healthy space for kids to continue to learn and grow and be
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cared for during the summer and after school, but also reduces learning loss
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and, you know, making sure kids are continually to keep their skills up over
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the summer so we're not set back when,
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you know, August starts up, school starts up again.
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So I would say we're actually doing pretty well. We're in a pretty good financial place.
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I think the economic situation is always uncertain. And especially with the
00:35:29.052 --> 00:35:33.602
new governor coming in soon, you know, we'll have to see if the next administration
00:35:33.602 --> 00:35:38.259
really prioritizes education in California because the majority of our budget comes from the state.
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But we're doing well. And I think part of that is because we've been really
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thoughtful about making sure that our investments are—.
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We're knowledgeable about what's long-term or what's short-term funding so that
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we're not, you know, spending a lot on like salaries for teachers and then suddenly
00:35:53.853 --> 00:35:57.025
the funding's gone, you know, but really being thoughtful about how we,
00:35:57.506 --> 00:36:01.693
utilize the funds that are available to us, supporting the teachers and the
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staff as best we can, but then using one-time monies or special grant block
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money to do infusions of opportunities for our kids.
00:36:10.771 --> 00:36:15.973
So low enrollment is sometimes prime with some schools and there seems to be
00:36:15.973 --> 00:36:20.866
quite a few things. Some kids are going to charter school, other ones are getting schooled from home.
00:36:21.864 --> 00:36:27.643
And I don't want to address all that system, but basically, what does that do
00:36:27.643 --> 00:36:31.493
for a school district? I mean, if there's low enrollment, that means there's
00:36:31.493 --> 00:36:34.193
less maybe funding for the school, the school might close.
00:36:34.524 --> 00:36:38.913
Absolutely. Could you take us through, like, the good and bad points to this
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so people understand? I don't know how many good points there are.
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But declining enrollment is an issue that all of the state of California is pretty much facing.
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Even when we look at, you know, communities that are still growing,
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like, there are some growth in Brea, but especially Irvine.
00:36:54.818 --> 00:36:59.653
Their enrollment is slowing down. Right. Even if it's not negative numbers.
00:36:59.653 --> 00:37:02.943
Sure. But it's really due to the fact that, especially in Southern California,
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it's just expensive to live here.
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And so young families are not buying homes. They're not staying here and they're
00:37:08.513 --> 00:37:09.597
not raising their kids here.
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So and then, you know, we've had some impact with the slowdown in immigration as well.
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So families that may have moved here for the opportunity to have a better life
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just are we're not seeing the influx in the same way.
00:37:21.303 --> 00:37:27.140
So, it's a California challenge. It's an urban challenge that we're all facing together.
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I would say, fortunately, Fullerton, our declining enrollment is a little less.
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And I think that's because people like our school. You know,
00:37:34.823 --> 00:37:38.001
our community has an excellent reputation of excellent schools.
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People want to be in Fullerton School District. They find ways to get here,
00:37:42.419 --> 00:37:46.143
whether that's because, you know, anyone who lives and works in Fullerton school,
00:37:46.483 --> 00:37:50.043
Fullerton can send their kids here. And we have lots of folks that transfer
00:37:50.043 --> 00:37:52.850
their children to Fullerton because of our excellent schools.
00:37:53.543 --> 00:37:57.401
And we see that once kids attend, they tend to stay.
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We're not seeing a drop out of students, but what we're seeing is just fewer
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and fewer kids coming from the beginning.
00:38:03.688 --> 00:38:09.583
So our kindergarten classes right now have about 200 less kids than our graduating
00:38:09.583 --> 00:38:13.193
eighth grade classes. That's quite a lot. So you're over time,
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you know, that's nine years, 10 years.
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If you start with TK, the kids, we're just getting fewer kids starting in our
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schools. And again, that's due to expensive. We have a housing crisis issue.
00:38:24.243 --> 00:38:28.294
You know, we have an affordability crisis issue and families aren't having as many children.
00:38:28.943 --> 00:38:31.803
We have a lot of adults who are choosing not to have children,
00:38:31.803 --> 00:38:36.287
not to have the traditional marriage, family approach to life.
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And so we just don't have as many kids to educate.
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Um, but you know, we continue to educate the kids we have and do the very best we can.
00:38:44.715 --> 00:38:48.440
But the way that California funding is set up is, um, every,
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.470
all of our money, our funding is based on average daily attendance.
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So it's based on not how many kids say they're coming to your school,
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.120
but how many show up every day. And our attendance rate is, you know,
00:38:57.120 --> 00:39:00.923
in the high nineties, but you know, if somebody's sick or they go on vacation,
00:39:01.046 --> 00:39:04.590
we don't get paid for their presence, right? Like bums off seats. Yes.
00:39:04.950 --> 00:39:07.970
But you have to obviously staff for the total amount of kids,
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you know, if everybody shows up, you got to have enough teachers and janitors
00:39:11.020 --> 00:39:14.901
and lunch service people to make sure they're all taken care of, right?
00:39:15.210 --> 00:39:19.423
So that, you know, that discrepancy sometimes can be challenging.
00:39:19.732 --> 00:39:25.700
But certainly as we see declining enrollment, less and less need for educating
00:39:25.700 --> 00:39:27.468
our kids, we have to make decisions, you know.
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And so one of the strategies, this is kind of a financial HR approach,
00:39:32.681 --> 00:39:34.380
we did with Fullerton School District
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is this last year, we offered some incentive for early retirement.
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And so we obviously, you know, the numbers add up when you've got folks at the
00:39:42.060 --> 00:39:46.369
end of their careers, they're being paid a lot more than brand new teachers.
00:39:46.636 --> 00:39:51.303
We also have probably more teachers than we needed for every single child that was now enrolled.
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We don't want to lay people off. We don't want to let go of folks.
00:39:54.913 --> 00:39:59.205
But if we can encourage them by what we did is we met the gap between if they
00:39:59.205 --> 00:40:04.465
retire now, we make sure that they have the health care coverage they need before Medicare kicks in.
00:40:05.005 --> 00:40:08.445
So we said, if you retire now, there was some additional money that was available
00:40:08.445 --> 00:40:13.100
for basically a bonus for the one time for all of the staff to enjoy.
00:40:13.576 --> 00:40:17.075
And we made sure that they had the medical coverage they needed to get to that
00:40:17.075 --> 00:40:19.242
place where they could enjoy all the retirement benefits.
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:25.625
So that encouraged up, I think it was 40 teachers and more than a dozen classified
00:40:25.625 --> 00:40:28.735
staff to retire a little bit early. Maybe they were old enough,
00:40:28.735 --> 00:40:30.641
but just thought, oh, maybe I'll hang on a little bit longer.
00:40:30.897 --> 00:40:34.072
Or they're a few years shy and this was the bonus, the opportunity that they wanted.
00:40:34.333 --> 00:40:38.295
So that meant that we kind of have a reset and we're able to hire the appropriate
00:40:38.295 --> 00:40:42.175
number of teachers we need, but not have to let extra teachers go.
00:40:42.175 --> 00:40:45.398
That's a nice way of doing it. Absolutely. Yeah, that's really nice. That's good.
00:40:45.787 --> 00:40:48.614
So talking about teachers, there's been quite a lot of, again,
00:40:48.898 --> 00:40:52.095
controversy in the news about how difficult it is for teachers,
00:40:52.095 --> 00:40:55.591
wages, salaries, teachers' aides, all the rest of things.
00:40:56.065 --> 00:41:01.048
Obviously, being on the board there, that comes across your desks all the time.
00:41:01.765 --> 00:41:04.299
What's going on in your life? What do you see that's going on?
00:41:04.908 --> 00:41:08.734
Yeah. I mean, teachers are definitely underpaid.
00:41:09.332 --> 00:41:13.135
I wish, as a society, we don't value our teachers enough and we don't pay them
00:41:13.135 --> 00:41:14.335
appropriately for the hard work
00:41:14.335 --> 00:41:17.916
that they do every single day and the importance of the work that they do.
00:41:19.257 --> 00:41:23.665
But again, our funding comes from the state. And, you know, California is better
00:41:23.665 --> 00:41:26.192
than most. But, you know.