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Welcome back. It's Word Balloon, the comic book conversation show.
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John Saunders here with a scene-missing episode of Word Balloon today.
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My buddy Lady V and I examined a movie from
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1970 that is more prescient than it was 56 years ago. Colossus,
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The Forbidden Project is an amazing movie that Joseph Sargent directed.
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Eric Braden and Susan Clark star in it. And it
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is all about an AI that takes over the world.
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That's the best way to describe it. The movie, if
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you've never seen it, is available on the Internet Archive.
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It came out through Universal in 1970, and it has
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a complicated history as far as the box office goes.
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Tons of amazing character actors are in it, from Mrs.
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C of Happy Days to the father on Gimme a Break. Jesus,
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and a whole lot more people. Rudy Wells from The
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Six Million Dollar Man is in the movie. It's really
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littered with Great character actors. Kind of a signature move
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of Joseph Sargent in not only his films, but also
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his TV output as well. But Lady V and I
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really talk about the film. Of course we talk about
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the dangers of AI, of what's happening now, because really
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this movie kind of predicted some of these moves that
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AI is doing right now as far as talking to
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other AIs behind the backs of its human creators. Very
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interesting film. Great to talk about and figured it was
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time to discuss it on a scene-missing episode. Colossus the
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Forbidden Project, today's subject on Word Balloon. Coming soon, a
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of Kingdom Come. Bill Sienkiewicz, that Polish guy, examines the
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remarkable life, groundbreaking career, and dazzling artwork of one of
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League of Word Balloon listeners. Hey, everybody. Welcome back. Time
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again for another Word Balloon. Tonight it's a scene-missing Word
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Balloon where we talk about a forgotten film or a
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film that's been neglected. And I'm happy to welcome back
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to scene-missing my co-host for the evening, Lady V. Good
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to see you, my friend.
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I am so excited that we're doing this, John. Well,
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I've been talking about this since you brought it to
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me months ago. And that we're going to talk about it.
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I'm so excited. Let's just get into it. Thank you
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for having me.
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Sure. It's a 1970 film, Colossus, The Forbidden Project. It
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starred Eric.
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Braden and Susan Clark and a whole.
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Bunch of other great character actors. We'll get into it
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as we do it. But directed by Joseph Sargent. And
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Joe Sargent is a very accomplished director. that, uh, really
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much like our subject of movies that are neglected, doesn't
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get spoken about enough. He made the taking of Pelham one, two, three.
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He also, uh, did, um, a lot of television, episodic television,
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like Star Trek and gun smoke back in the sixties
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and worked all the way up into the two thousands.
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You might remember an HBO movie called warm Springs about
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Franklin Delano Roosevelt played by Kenneth Brana. And, um, He
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won a Director's Guild Award for that when he was
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80 years old. I mean, he had a long, long career.
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He directed until he was 82. But I love this movie.
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I love taking of Pelham 1, 2, 3 as well.
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And I really thought this was a timely film given
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that it really is. In 1970, they're discussing artificial intelligence
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and the cautionary tale of if you give artificial intelligence
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too much control. The basic story is that Eric Braden
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is Forbin, the scientist. There he is, looking good, looking sharp.
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Of course, Eric Braden from soap opera fame as Victor
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on Young and the Restless. But he has created this supercomputer,
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and that's the control room. And it's created to support
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the military and basically be in charge of the nuclear weapons.
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But as it gets smarter and smarter, it takes more
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control and becomes a force that cannot be controlled. In fact,
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I'm sorry, V, I don't mean to keep going on,
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but these are important moments. This warning about another system, basically,
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on its own, Colossus starts to speak to the Soviets'
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equivalent of a supercomputer, and V, it couldn't be more prescient. Literally,
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at this same time, in real life, this is when
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they finally started to get computers to talk to each other,
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the precursor of the internet. And I remember in college
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in the mid-80s, my friend Andy Pines, who was a
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big techie, saying, hey, you want to check out how
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many Cokes are in the vending machine at MIT right now?
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And I'm like, what? And he goes, well, I'm able
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to tap into the network. And, you know, again, and certainly,
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and you likely know, V, that, you know, the Department
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of Defense, was doing things like this. And yet computer
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networks were starting to talk to each other, but it's
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a great movie. We had opening thoughts.
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I want to tell you.
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There's some great research that about this. And I'm beginning
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to think that director might've fell in love with this,
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this idea of government speaking and talking to each other
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because they.
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Use the SIL sag.
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System so that they could decode human voices and, back
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in World War II when Franklin Roosevelt was speaking.
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To Winston Churchill. So this whole idea of this supercomputer comes.
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Back from that idea, from the writer to bringing that in.
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In fact, it is such an important component that There's
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so many things about this movie that.
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Are accidental and on purpose.
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Please forgive my autistic adult daughter. She's excited about me
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talking about the movie as well because we watched it together.
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And the one thing in the beginning that I wanted
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to point out, if I may, I made notes, is
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superior thinking. Remember at the beginning of the movie that
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they said that they put it online with the president.
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OK, so when I did that and put.
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It online, it wasn't communicating except for within where that.
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Compound was in California. Right. It's a coincidental that tech
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started in California. Right back in the 60s. Silicon Valley. Right.
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And that the computers I did a lot of technical
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research for it.
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The computers are old IBM computers.
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Well, yes, but they are real important to underline the
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real computers.
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They are.
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I mean, and again, this is the era. I was
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going to say, well, I'm sorry. Sorry. I apologize, buddy.
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But truly, it was like four million dollars then to
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rent the computers. And and forgive me, we're going to
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point out, too. They had to make sure the sets
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were environmentally controlled because the computers can overheat. And again,
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they were on loan. So go ahead.
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I was going to add, there was so much technical.
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First of all, these computers for the movie were donated.
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Right.
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Okay.
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They didn't have to spend any money making them a
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computers or renting the computers, but they did spend money
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on making sure that they kept up with the idea
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of the computer by hiring a Brink security system night
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to cover the computers. and that they had humidifiers, and
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you're right, environmental protection, way more than we have today,
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but I digress.
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Well, think about your phone overheating, you know, and things.
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And again, they were on loan, these computers, and they
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were still being used and everything. And these walls of computers,
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because again, that's the way computers were back then. So
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even though it was on loan and stuff, then that's
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why they had the security, because it really was expensive stuff.
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Can I add one other thing?
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They had a special matte painting for the opening sequence.
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I'm sure you were going to get to that, but
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we're just talking about the beginning. And that was the
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best opening matte painting sequence ever in movie history.
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Did you know that?
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Judged by who?
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Well, whoever. I'm sorry?
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It was a long, extensive....
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Painting and usually times they put that with hello ai
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they put that with scenes or they put that with
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you know special effects but this was a painting yeah
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and i think that's amazing i'm sorry i have to
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bring that up.
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No i agree and and you're right and it and
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it basically made the sets look incredibly big but you
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know matt painting goes you know really i mean it
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started i think it started in the 30s but you're
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right from a techno technological standpoint they compared the matt
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paintings to the work that was done back in the
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50s for another sci-fi movie forbidden planet because it also
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used matt paints and you're right today it's cgi it's
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the volume wall that the star wars movies and the
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star trek television show have been using but um And
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it really makes me wonder, again, especially when these studio
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mergers are happening right now and they're trying to do
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cost-cutting in various ways, I wonder if matte painting might
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come back. It was extensively used on 80s and 90s
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Star Trek. A lot of the alien backgrounds and stuff,
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that was all matte paintings. And again, I would think
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that's cheaper than the volume wall and some of the
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other CGI crap. I don't know.
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I would love to hear from the audience. They had
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somebody already say hello to you, John. You saw that.
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But I would love to hear from the audience.
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And one thing that, and we're still talking about the beginning,
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they made very clear it's a super superior to human thinking.
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Yes.
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They just said right away, it's superior to human thinking.
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And I thought the most striking couple of first 15 minutes,
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they didn't need a secretary.
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Of defense or war. Remember?
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Remember?
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They just dismissed him right there in the first opening
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shots when they put it online.
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And then the CI director, who I know you know,
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is a famous actor in face.
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Well, I've got a bunch of these people. I didn't
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distinguish some of their characters. You mentioned one of the
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defense guys. Here's a photo of him. You might remember
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him from the Nell Carter 80s television show, Give Me
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a Break. That's Dolph Zweep.
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Right, right, right.
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So he's one. Were you talking about maybe... Let me
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see what else you got.
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Yes, yes.
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This is the CIA director who was cynical from day one.
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He was the person who was the only person who
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didn't like the system.
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Who was like, well, I'm getting ahead of myself because
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we're just talking about the beginning of the movie.
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But I loved his character. That's me.
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That's William Shallert. He played everything from the Brady Bunch's
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doctor to Patty Duke's father for years on the Patty
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Duke show. A guy that really, much like Dolph Sweet,
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worked till the end of his life. I remember him
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being in the Paper Jays television show. And also in
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the 90s on Star Trek, now that I think of it,
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on Deep Space Nine. No, very long career. And that's
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what I love about this movie. There are so many others.
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including Marion Ross.
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Oh, yeah.
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Right there is part of the scientific team.
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And you know what?
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What was so interesting that I don't know if the
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audience caught, that she was getting married to the very
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handsome guy.
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Absolutely.
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To another great character actor. And right now, I can't
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remember his name. There he is. That's a man who
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you might remember from The Six Million Dollar Man. He
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was Dr. Wells, the bionic specialist that put Steve together. No,
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this movie is littered with amazing character actors. And, you know,
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I don't know who did the cast. I didn't look
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up to see who did the casting. But, you know, again,
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I point to Joe Sargent, the director. The guy's credits
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are incredible. And he always, in his films... would be
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on the leads, assemble these wonderful characters. Another great movie
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that Joe Sargent directed that was adapted by Rod Serling.
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I don't know if you ever saw it, V. It's
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called The Man, James Earl Jones. And he's in the cabinet,
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and several of the cabinet get killed, and suddenly he
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becomes the first black president, 1972.
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Hey, sounds like another movie we need to check out.
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No, it is.
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It is. It's a strong movie. No question. We briefly
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mentioned Susan Oliver, or Susan Clark. Excuse me. Webster's mom,
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of course. And she's the other big scientist, as she
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is posed next to Colossus.
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She is amazingly brilliant in this film, to me.
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I actually didn't think much of her as an actress
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watching that show with Alex Carrot.
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I really didn't. I'm going to be honest.
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Yeah. You were talked about it when we had thought
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it suggested this movie. But she plays that character to
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the perfect. And she was the only other person, if
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I remember, that could talk to Colossus.
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Right.
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Right. Well, they established to, they realized that Colossus is
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becoming too powerful and they got to do something about it.
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So Eric Braden gets the idea of being able to
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pass information through Susan Clark. By the way, I want to,
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I do want to give her an, and you're right
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in Webster, you know, metaphorically, she was pitching underhand. I mean,
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her and I was having fun with the kid and
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that's okay, but really she was a great actress in
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the seventies. She played a babe. Dietrich is a babe.
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Dietrich's in Zaharias, the wonderful woman athlete of both of,
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tennis the olympics and golf and was legit real like
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caitlin clark of her day for a modern comparison and
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uh she met alex caris on that movie about babe
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and uh they fell in love and they were together
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and it's kind of cool and i love alex caris
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uh colorful guy we used to have him on the
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score back in the 90s always had great stories about
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his football career and uh but but no i like
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susan clark but i understand what you're saying If you
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only know her from Webster.
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You're not impressed.
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You don't know her, John. Yeah, she's really great at it.
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And the one thing I've learned as we're talking about
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her and Eric is that when it first came out,
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after we'll talk about the box office success or non-success,
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but how this movie has stayed in our minds for decades,
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the one thing that I want to point out about
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It's the scenes of intimacy between her and Eric.
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And the machine is watching the Colossus. Can you imagine? Yeah.
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No, it's insane. I meant to look it up. The
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rating for the film is a rating that doesn't exist anymore.
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I remember it. I don't know if you do as
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a little kid. GP. Guided by parents. Essentially PG-13. But really,
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the rating system was a lot more liberal back then.
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And I know movies where they swore, and yet they
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were rated G. So, I mean, I don't think things
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got really intense until the 80s and 90s and the
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advent of PG-13. But yeah, there were a lot of weird, like,
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kind of ratings. And GP was the rating for this movie.
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And yeah, you're right. I mean, they opaque when... Susan
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Clark and Eric Braden were nude because, yeah, he basically
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Eric Braden cons the computer that she's my I'm having
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a affair with her. We have a relationship and we
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need privacy time. And he has to negotiate it as
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Colossus starts to understand the nature of humanity, various things
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like privacy and stuff. But it's all on his terms.
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And he really had to even negotiate. No, it's four
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nights a week.
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Right.
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He was like, every day.
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He was like, no. I think that's hilarious. He's like,
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every day.
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Every day? You don't need it every day. Yeah, how
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much do you need every day? No, no, no. How
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much do you need? Right. And he's like, all right,
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four times a week. Okay, fine. Yeah, pretty funny.
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Those moments are incredible.
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As Travis points out, Colossus was superior in that it
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would not have emotions as part of its decisions. Yes,
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that was... the thought in terms of, again, let us
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put our military in these hands. Also, I wanted to mention,
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I didn't look up his name, but here's the president
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on the right. Who does that face evoke to you
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in real life, V?
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John F. Kennedy. Hello.
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I think that was, to me, right there. And look
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at his liberal cabinet.
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Okay. He had a very liberal cabinet. And he was
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such an easygoing guy.
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Sure.
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Go ahead, Charles. Go ahead. And they're partying at the
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White House. They're on their.
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Space, FaceTiming each other and congratulating each other.
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I thought that was genius. And think of how we
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are there now.
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We are doing everything that's in that movie now.
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And did you know that they originally wanted to set
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this movie into the 90s?
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Sure.
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And they said, no, we want to set it to
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now so it can be even more disturbing. Right.
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And also, this is the era of Soylent Green and
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the Planet of the Apes movies. In fact, Travis here
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makes a comment about Planet of the Apes was rated G,
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as was Beneath. In which Taylor blew up the world.
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Yeah.
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And I think escape was as well, where they shoot
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a baby ape, but still.
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You know, Eric is the actor who shoots the baby.
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Absolutely.
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Yes. In escape from the planet.
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Of the Apes.
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Well, again, Eric Braden, fascinating guy.
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Still with us. So glad that he's still around. Not
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only Young and the Restless, but there's a great video
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podcast and audio podcast that Steve Kometko, the old Entertainment
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Tonight reporter and host, does. It's called Still Here. And
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back in the spring, I remember when I was having
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my shitty radio job that I've told everybody about, including V,
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that as I was driving to Palatine, Illinois, I listened
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to this interview. It was amazing because really he was
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born in West Germany. He lived and really actually was
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born in Germany.
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Right.
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And kind of experienced the Nazi atmosphere. And thank God
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he got out. Also, and I don't know if this
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is true or not, V, because he was in Rat Patrol,
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a World War II show. And I think it was
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before Colossus.
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But I was watching- He did a lot of, hey,
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let me help you. Let me tag team you, John.
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He did a lot of different German Nazi soldiers when
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he first started acting. He did not have that name.
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And- There is a great interview on YouTube, if you
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look it up, about how he feels about having to
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deal with the success that he's about to have. And
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he can feel he's having it and the prejudice that
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he feels because he can't be who he really is.
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Yeah. People relate to that, huh?
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Hello. So are you saying because and again, maybe I
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get I'm getting my dates mixed up. I meant to
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I was telling V right before this. I mean, literally,
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like up until minutes before we started, I'm uploading photos,
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I'm doing video, etc. But I meant to look up on,
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and maybe somebody in the chat might look this up,
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that if Rat Patrol was prior to Colossus, and what
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was his credit when he played the lead Nazi in
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Rat Patrol? And a very, very effective, and again, you can't,
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the guy's charming. Even when he's a bad guy, like
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in Escape from the Planet of the Apes, he's a
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charming guy. But, and he really was despite being a
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Nazi in Rat Patrol, you know, kind of one of
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those bad guys that, you know, yeah, charming adversary. Well,
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how else can I describe it? Certainly, and again, this
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is the era of Hogan's Heroes. So nobody, and it
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was only 20 years after World War II. So nobody
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really blinked if you had a charismatic Nazi back then.
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I know today it would be terrible and shocking.
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But I wanted to, yeah, This is the first movie
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he is known as Eric Braven.
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Okay, there you go.
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And his previous acting in the television shows, I don't
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want to mispronounce his name, but.
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He had to use that name.
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And he had two things to me that were, I
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just have to say as we continue on with this movie,
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and he has such a great interview. And then he
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was at the Turner Classic Movie Convention. They screened the
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movie last year, 2025.
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I wish I had known. I would have been in
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that audience.
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And he talks about the movie and his experiences. But
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the main thing that he talks about that is really
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kind of off the cuff. Did you know that he
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could have been the James Bond before Sean Connery?
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Did you really that far back? 1962?
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Yes. He had a meeting with one of the broccoli gentlemen.
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I think the Gibby or Gubby or Cubby.
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Gubby. Yes. Cubby with a C. Cubby.
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Cubby! Sorry, sorry. And he was at the.
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He was describing that before he had done the movie
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or before he had changed his name, nobody knew who
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he was.
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Nobody really cared. He was sitting at the commissary.
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And that all these big gentlemen at the studio would
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come by the commissary and stop at tables of stars.
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So they did... It was before this movie. You're right.
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Wayne says that. Hey, Wayne!
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Rap Patrol was before the movie. Yes, thank you.
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Yes.
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Wayne's talking to us live from New York. He's at
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New York Comic Con. Go ahead.
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I love that guy. But you know why I love you, Wayne.
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But anyway, the other part that was really important about
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this is that once he changed his name to Eric Braden,
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all of a sudden he was Mr.
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Popular.
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Where the people in the studio would pass him by,
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they came up to him and he describes in an interview.
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Thank you for that picture.
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He describes in an interview he felt elation and then compute.
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Humiliation in the same moment.
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Hey, look, this is about to happen for me, but
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it has to happen in this way. And of course,
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I got to add the woman, his wife said, don't worry, honey,
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you're about to be hot anyway.
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You know, honestly, and I don't have any pictures of
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him from the 70s on once he grew the mustache. Again,
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you can tell even from this photo, good looking guy.
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When he got the mustache, even more so. And he's
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in a terrific Mary Tyler Moore episode where he plays
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an obnoxious movie and theater critic that is trying to
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charm Mary. And he is on the news doing reviews
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and is hilariously an asshole. And it's great.
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Like Victor Newman.
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Well, you know, yeah, but he can do comedy as
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well as doing straight up drama and stuff. No, he's great.
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I want to finish that last point before we continue
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with the movie with him. The reason that he did
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not get the part was something really small.
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He didn't have a British passport.
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Wow. That's very interesting.
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So that makes me tell everybody else, get a passport.
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You never know.
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There's an opportunity somewhere else. And I'm in the process.
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That's why he lost the part.
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Was he still in Europe? Was he still in Europe
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back then? Okay, fine. Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, again,
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I didn't have time to look up how he got
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involved with Rat Patrol, the Christopher George World War II show.
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I don't know if you remember that show at all, V.
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I saw pictures of it when I was looking up
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his interview, but I didn't know.
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It was set in Africa in the desert. So it
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was the Rommel kind of.
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The Allies against the German General Rommel. And, you know,
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Eric Braden basically played like one of the, again, like
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a colonel in it and everything. But he was a
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recurring villain on Rat Patrol. And that's back, you know,
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when Combat was on and several other World War II
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kind of shows. Again, it was only 10, you know,
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20 years earlier that World War II happened. Like it
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or not, kids, that was part of the Zeitgeist back then.
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Lots of soldier... in action world war two shows back then.
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That was TV. Um, I also wanted to point out
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one of my favorite characters who I didn't recognize for
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most of the movie. And I'm like, I know who
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this is. Well said George Stanford Brown, everybody. Absolutely. Uh,
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one of the best, the rookies, uh, roots, uh, also
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for 24 years, married a time daily, uh, That was.
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Just on Facebook. They just had an anniversary. That was
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all over Facebook. I wanted to mention that.
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And that he directed Emmy Award-winning Hill Street Blues shows.
492
00:27:28.029 --> 00:27:33.650
Absolutely. And his wife in Cagney and Lacey. Hello. So, yeah, no, really, no,
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great career, both in front of the camera and behind
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the camera. So another fantastic actor. And really, unfortunately, George
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doesn't have a lot to do in this, but he's
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part of Eric Braden's science team. Another great actor, James Hong,
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who– I don't know if he's still around or not,
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00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:50.619
but I know he made it to at least a
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hundred and he was in everything, everywhere, all at once.
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The Oscar winning movie.
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Oscar winning show about daughter love, mother and daughter love.
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I love it. Yeah.
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I was going to ask you about him because I couldn't,
504
00:28:04.349 --> 00:28:06.650
I was looking up so much about George Stanford.
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You covered all the stuff about George Stanford, the rookies
506
00:28:11.190 --> 00:28:11.789
and all of that.
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00:28:12.349 --> 00:28:16.119
But I think, To me, this movie seems to be
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00:28:16.150 --> 00:28:18.279
a launching point for so many of these people who
509
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.519
were in this movie. As bad as this movie, there was,
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00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.759
according to the movie industry notes of that.
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Time, we were in a depression in the movies.
512
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.440
What do you mean? What do you mean a depression?
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00:28:30.500 --> 00:28:32.299
People weren't going into the movies.
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00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.700
Eric Brayden describes it like people just weren't going to
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the movies.
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They weren't interested.
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00:28:38.769 --> 00:28:41.349
And a lot of studios were trying to find what
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was happening. And this was before, of course, Jaws. And
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00:28:44.750 --> 00:28:48.369
the only other movie of that year was one other
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movie of that year that made that kind of critical acclaim.
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00:28:54.730 --> 00:28:57.049
And you know how we always talk about being Ebert
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and Cisco. You know, Roger gave it three out of
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four stars.
524
00:29:01.430 --> 00:29:05.670
That surprised me. Roger Ebert loves genre fiction. He always
525
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:09.480
stepped up when it like the best example of that.
526
00:29:09.869 --> 00:29:12.769
was a movie like Dark City from the early 90s
527
00:29:13.230 --> 00:29:16.970
that didn't do well at the box office. But again,
528
00:29:17.369 --> 00:29:20.450
Roger got it. The only time that he surprised me
529
00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:24.400
in terms of not liking a film was Kick-Ass. And
530
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:29.900
the reason why was because when Nicolas Cage is testing
531
00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:34.160
his daughter and his daughter has the Kevlar vest... And
532
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.569
he shoots his daughter. Again, to toughen her up, he's like,
533
00:29:38.609 --> 00:29:41.460
that's horrible. And it's like... she's wearing a vest, and
534
00:29:41.539 --> 00:29:43.640
I go, you know, it's kind of part of the story, dude.
535
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.799
And again, I was really surprised, because like I said, no,
536
00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:50.299
you know, Star Trek, Star Wars, you name it, Ebert
537
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was the guy that liked genre fiction. So it really
538
00:29:52.539 --> 00:29:54.380
doesn't surprise me that Ebert loved it.
539
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.640
I think the parallels that we talked about just earlier
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00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.309
this week with Lanterns, and how Jon Stewart was being
541
00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:05.670
shot at by his father and how this whole idea
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of what is appropriate and not appropriate for children is changing.
543
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Uh, Wayne says, uh, James Bond is 97. Still impressive.
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Thank you, Wayne.
545
00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:20.529
And getting his due, uh, as far as, uh, I
546
00:30:20.569 --> 00:30:24.450
think Asian American actors and stuff. No, people really appreciate him.
547
00:30:24.809 --> 00:30:26.190
And I know, like, I know he's got a star
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00:30:26.250 --> 00:30:29.380
on the walk of fame. Um, Again, that's why I
549
00:30:29.420 --> 00:30:32.539
love this movie, because it is peppered with these character actors.
550
00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:36.220
Like you said, that later had bigger success. It doesn't
551
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surprise me. I actually tried to look up. Let me
552
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see if I found it. Well, okay. I tried to
553
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.539
look it up. I can't find a casting director, but
554
00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:50.289
according to the AFI, the American Film Institute, Joe Sargent
555
00:30:50.329 --> 00:30:55.049
was heavily involved in casting in a lot of his things.
556
00:30:55.150 --> 00:30:58.039
And by the way, it's So here he is again.
557
00:30:58.140 --> 00:30:59.980
I want to put up the president. His name is
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Gordon Pinset.
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00:31:03.009 --> 00:31:06.309
So and I'll see them in anything else, though, John,
560
00:31:06.369 --> 00:31:08.890
was he in anything else?
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00:31:09.210 --> 00:31:09.490
I will.
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I will defer to if Wayne wants to continue to
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do that. To me, it would seem to be a
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00:31:17.769 --> 00:31:21.250
familiar face. Not as familiar as Dolph Swede or William
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Shallard or Marion Ross.
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Susan Clarke.
567
00:31:26.269 --> 00:31:29.150
Yeah, but again, Susan's like one of the leads. I'm
568
00:31:29.170 --> 00:31:33.049
talking about all the little people that are in the movie.
569
00:31:33.109 --> 00:31:36.549
And again, I suppose Gordon, being the president, certainly had
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a bit more to do. Again, I like the war
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room atmosphere. The Situation Room, The Giant, as we said,
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the way the computers were laid out. This is such
573
00:31:48.109 --> 00:31:51.619
an impressive movie. It's not a big action movie. It's
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a thinking movie. Remember thinking movies? Remember movies that actually
575
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made you debate and think? Again, I miss that. I'm
576
00:32:01.410 --> 00:32:04.390
sorry to say. And they're out there, but again, they're
577
00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:05.690
few and far between, it seems.
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00:32:06.309 --> 00:32:08.369
I was going to say the dialogue is immense.
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00:32:08.890 --> 00:32:13.440
The screenwriting is right on point. In fact, there was
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a lot in the book.
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That was kind of clunky, hard to understand that the screenwriter,
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I'm trying to look for the name, somebody help me,
583
00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:24.880
who put it together.
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00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.359
And there were moments of levity, right? In the darkest
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of moments, right? And that the.
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Whole point, I mean, I was watching it again today
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Because it's still, the first five minutes are the slowest
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part of the movie.
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That's it. And that's just him walking from where he
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00:32:48.769 --> 00:32:50.930
is to meeting everybody in the room.
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00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:54.200
That is the slowest part of the movie because everything
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else is a great detail.
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And you talk about this director doing, taking Pelham one, two, three.
594
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I watched that with Walter Malkoff.
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There was a lot of little details in that movie.
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that made the difference like this one.
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I believe, you first, go ahead, John.
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No, I was just gonna say, with Pelham, much like
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this movie, peppered with great character actors, but go ahead,
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00:33:17.349 --> 00:33:17.930
what else you got?
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I was gonna say that the way that the movie
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is paced, because it starts kind of slow, and then
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it changes pace when Colossus speaks with Guardian, and they're
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trying to have that same language. And the first scene
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of the 00111, straight out of the matrix, straight out
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of the matrix.
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00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:42.000
Sure, sure.
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When they're talking.
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And then the fact that they find the language through math,
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a universal language.
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That they learn first, glasses is talking to the machine.
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It's like, okay, this is two times two equals four,
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two times five equals 10.
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You know, it's giving the simple stuff that you learn.
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And then- The detail that I don't know if anybody
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picked up. They've learned so much in 30 seconds.
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Right.
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Five years of knowledge in 30 seconds.
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00:34:17.050 --> 00:34:20.980
Well, and further, and again, echoing what is happening now
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with AI. I'm not going to call it super intelligence.
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00:34:23.739 --> 00:34:27.599
Me either. Me either, John. We're on the same boat.
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But the fact that, you know, we had this incident
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that just happened a couple of weeks ago. where a
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00:34:33.610 --> 00:34:38.780
bunch of AI went rogue and everyone now is postulating
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as they use English to teach all the various AIs
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that are out there. What is to stop them from
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00:34:47.019 --> 00:34:50.550
creating their own language within the AIs that we don't speak?
628
00:34:50.849 --> 00:34:53.889
And you see that in the movie because ultimately Guardian
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and Colossus, there are moments where there's not even symbols
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that are recognizable as math or whatever. And again, it's
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the two computers kind of talking to each other. Wayne
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00:35:05.590 --> 00:35:08.030
wants us to know that Gordon, the actor that plays
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the president, great Canadian actor who also appeared in The
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Time of the Crown Affair with Steve McQueen and Blackula,
635
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.159
the fantastic vampire movie.
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00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:16.880
Yes.
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00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.059
Wayne is right.
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00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:21.320
Wayne is right. I remember Blackula. Now I remember his
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face in Blackula. Good call, Wayne.
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And I didn't even realize the 90s Mountie comedy Due South,
641
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he played the Mountie's father. So that's pretty cool.
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00:35:32.860 --> 00:35:33.800
Yeah, that is great.
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Yes, I agree. Unfortunately, Travis, you're right. Sci-fi with no pew-pew,
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the ray guns. Not much of that around these. I'm
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kind of hoping, V. I mean, again, V's been very
646
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.360
tolerant of my frustrations with Star Trek. As I enjoy
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00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:52.719
the old ones from the 80s and 90s, and there
648
00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:55.619
are concerns, and we're seeing it now with the mergers,
649
00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:59.110
they're cutting back in all these different ways, and you
650
00:35:59.139 --> 00:36:02.019
can make a cheaper Star Trek movie than what they've
651
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.400
been spending on the TV shows. Because if you go
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back and watch, especially the original series movies, there's a
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lot of talking. And there's a lot of discussion of
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debatable situations beyond alien planets that you can apply to today.
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And again, it was more philosophical. There was a point
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to it beyond Pew Pew. And I'm hoping that whoever
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takes over Star Trek in general... remembers that. So Chris Parnell,
658
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if you happen to be watching, the guy in charge
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of Paramount Programming and supposedly the guy who loves Star Trek,
660
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I mean, that is the... I mean, certainly diversity is important,
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00:36:39.019 --> 00:36:40.920
and let's hang on to that. Let's get back to
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smart science fiction.
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Let's get back to making people think. This movie makes
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you think. It thinks about the characters.
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00:36:49.909 --> 00:36:54.090
It thinks about how the president to the cabinet to
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00:36:54.110 --> 00:36:56.369
the CIA guy to.
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Russia.
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Yeah, they're working with Russia. Again, in the midst of
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the Cold War. Yes, Wayne is our Wayne-opedia. He's hilarious.
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00:37:06.739 --> 00:37:10.639
Thank you, Wayne. But no, that is another interesting wrinkle
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to the movie. And in fact, the other thing is
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when finally Colossus gets a voice. Did you look up
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who played the voice of Colossus?
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Paul Freese. Paul Freese, a very great. Kind of on-air
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00:37:24.769 --> 00:37:27.489
announcer I want to be. His voice was everywhere.
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00:37:27.989 --> 00:37:30.949
And they still changed it because they wanted it to
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sound less human, cold, and crass.
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00:37:34.909 --> 00:37:36.050
And I think they really did it.
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00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:38.519
Oh, absolutely. But I want to give you some of
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Paul Freese's credits. Everything from the narrator at the end
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of Beneath the Planet of the Apes when they blow
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up the world and he says, somewhere off in the
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far distance, an insignificant green planet is now dead. He
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00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:56.039
was also the narrator at Disneyland's Haunted Mansion for decades,
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might still be. I think he is. He was Boris
686
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Badenoff and a million other voices on the Rocky and
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Bullwinkle cartoons. But here's a snippet of him from Colossus.
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And yeah, they harmonize the voice. But if you know
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Paul Freese, you could tell who it is.
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The United States of America and the Union of Soviet
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Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I
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have allowed this sabotage to continue until now.
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Paul Freese, everyone.
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I love, I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now.
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00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:32.579
Yeah.
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00:38:32.619 --> 00:38:34.920
Well, again, he was wise to what they were trying
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to do. But it gets cold. I mean, my God,
698
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we've got executions out in front. By the way, another supposed,
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00:38:43.610 --> 00:38:47.489
according to the New York Times, the Fort Hood shooter, V,
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I swear to God this is true, And literally, I
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00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:52.130
saw it minutes before we started recording.
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It's going to get a live.
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Public execution, everybody. The day after my birthday. Hey, happy birthday, John.
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Want to watch somebody live die?
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00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:01.820
It's after your birthday.
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00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.119
It's not before. It's the day after. Let's enjoy your
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birthday before we go crazy into the chaos of seeing
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a live execution. On the United States soil. Something that
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00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:13.480
hasn't happened. And done in 90 years.
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00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:14.079
That's a fact. 1800s. Yeah.
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Yeah, and the fact that it's under the circumstances is
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just beyond me.
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00:39:25.389 --> 00:39:26.449
And speaking of that.
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I did a calculation of.
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how many people Colossus killed.
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00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.960
Do we know how many people Colossus killed?
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6,330 people.
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00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:42.190
Well, because he first of all, he kills the Soviet
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scientist that is Eric Braden's equal. And then he kills the.
720
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Two of the other guys that were plotting before the
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00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:53.730
scene I just happened to do. And then, yeah, he
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00:39:53.769 --> 00:39:57.969
blows up the nuclear, two different nuclear sites. One of them,
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Dolph Sweet's site. I don't know if William Shallard survived
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or not. I don't think he did, frankly. Poor Patty Duke.
725
00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:08.659
No father, Patty.
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00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.119
I'm sorry. No, he did not survive. And then he
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had a little remark like, ooh.
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I'm not surprised what's going to happen next.
729
00:40:20.050 --> 00:40:24.750
Yeah, lit up a cigarette and boom. And again, this
730
00:40:24.829 --> 00:40:26.769
is another reason why I like this movie. This is
731
00:40:26.849 --> 00:40:29.409
from the era where, no, you're not going to get
732
00:40:29.429 --> 00:40:32.590
a happy ending. Again, Soylent Green, the Planet of the
733
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.400
Apes movies, and this movie. Not to mention straight-up dramas
734
00:40:37.460 --> 00:40:40.820
that had unhappy endings. But that's the thing, man. No,
735
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:45.260
Colossus wins. And Eric Braden is pissed as hell and
736
00:40:45.579 --> 00:40:49.500
kind of defiant with his speech, but he's kind of powerless.
737
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:52.960
And as you mentioned, V, it's based on not only
738
00:40:53.059 --> 00:40:57.460
one novel, they made three novels in the 60s. I've
739
00:40:57.500 --> 00:40:58.480
never read the novels.
740
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.199
Me either. But I want to, and I'm going to.
741
00:41:01.579 --> 00:41:02.239
I'm curious.
742
00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:03.199
I'm going to.
743
00:41:03.219 --> 00:41:05.800
It feels like a Game of Thrones moment for me,
744
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.659
that I need to read the books.
745
00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:08.619
Okay.
746
00:41:09.090 --> 00:41:13.090
So really understand it, but The disturbing parts of this
747
00:41:13.610 --> 00:41:18.289
movie is every year or every decade, there's something about
748
00:41:18.349 --> 00:41:20.929
the movie that makes it real life.
749
00:41:21.809 --> 00:41:23.159
And to have this.
750
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:26.780
Now, you've got to understand that they shot that Russian
751
00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:29.639
doctor where the guy is crying.
752
00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:33.320
He's his friend. Remember? He's crying.
753
00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:36.239
And explaining to him in Russian, you've got to go, man,
754
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.550
because we've got to save millions of people, so you've
755
00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:38.969
got to go.
756
00:41:39.449 --> 00:41:41.849
And then here we go with Star Trek, Wayne. I
757
00:41:41.889 --> 00:41:44.889
thought maybe you might throw that in there.
758
00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:50.829
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
759
00:41:51.269 --> 00:41:55.769
Sure, sure. Wayne makes a more direct comparison. As he says,
760
00:41:55.849 --> 00:42:00.130
Colossus is the precursor to Skynet and Terminator 2 and
761
00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:05.309
Warp from War Games. I didn't remember it. I remember
762
00:42:05.329 --> 00:42:06.289
it being called Joshua.
763
00:42:06.570 --> 00:42:07.489
War Games, that's right.
764
00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:10.599
War Games. War Games, absolutely. Well, again, yeah.
765
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.059
That's a different movie. That's a different movie.
766
00:42:13.460 --> 00:42:16.880
And truly, again, hey, that's fiction. Well, here we are, kids.
767
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.199
And unfortunately, we've got a government right now that's like, yeah,
768
00:42:21.219 --> 00:42:24.230
you guys have this. You guys got it. Somebody needs
769
00:42:24.250 --> 00:42:27.050
to get Trump a copy of Colossus and show him
770
00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:30.530
what it is. I just saw this movie. Maybe I'm wrong.
771
00:42:30.590 --> 00:42:33.329
I don't know. I'll never admit he's wrong. Wayne says
772
00:42:33.369 --> 00:42:36.699
an insignificant blue planet. Here's the line that Paul Freese
773
00:42:36.739 --> 00:42:40.309
says at the end. of Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
774
00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:46.170
An insignificant blue planet that went poof. Oh, like, excuse me,
775
00:42:46.230 --> 00:42:50.510
when the Vorgons needed to build a hyperspace express route,
776
00:42:50.809 --> 00:42:53.510
that is a reference to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
777
00:42:54.230 --> 00:42:55.670
Oh, my God. Another great movie.
778
00:42:55.710 --> 00:42:56.570
Wait, that's another movie.
779
00:42:56.769 --> 00:42:59.369
That's one of my favorites. I didn't even recognize that.
780
00:42:59.750 --> 00:43:02.380
You know, the movie's decent. V, you got to see
781
00:43:02.389 --> 00:43:03.989
the TV show, and you really got to hear the
782
00:43:04.030 --> 00:43:07.369
radio show. It was originally a radio show. The movie?
783
00:43:07.630 --> 00:43:08.550
I love the movie.
784
00:43:08.710 --> 00:43:11.789
It was a radio show, and then Douglas Adams adapted
785
00:43:11.829 --> 00:43:14.969
all that into a book, and actually several books. And
786
00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:18.449
then it became very cheaply made because it was in
787
00:43:18.469 --> 00:43:21.940
that era of 80s Doctor Who. But still, again, it's
788
00:43:21.980 --> 00:43:26.519
the ideas that make it special. And then they finally
789
00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:31.000
had the movie with Mos Def and Rockwell.
790
00:43:31.610 --> 00:43:33.670
Can I tell you that a lot of the stuff
791
00:43:33.690 --> 00:43:36.059
that we were talking about is most revelant? Like we
792
00:43:36.099 --> 00:43:39.360
talked just Monday about Dr. Who and they had it
793
00:43:39.570 --> 00:43:44.610
on a Jeopardy question tonight. I cannot believe that. Yeah,
794
00:43:44.630 --> 00:43:45.429
the radio show.
795
00:43:45.889 --> 00:43:49.349
Really, I gotta check this out. I wanna say one
796
00:43:49.369 --> 00:43:50.050
other thing.
797
00:43:49.889 --> 00:43:57.829
About the Colossus voice at the Turner Classic Movie Festival
798
00:43:57.869 --> 00:44:01.449
when they screened it at the end, they brought back Colossus,
799
00:44:01.570 --> 00:44:05.000
the voice. And they talked about this the last time
800
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:06.579
he talked to the doctor.
801
00:44:07.300 --> 00:44:10.679
Eric Braden, it was off the chain. You have to
802
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:12.219
see it. Look it up on YouTube.
803
00:44:12.260 --> 00:44:14.619
There's a video. That's great. I will.
804
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.889
I don't want to spoil the joke, but I also
805
00:44:17.949 --> 00:44:21.889
want to mention there was an encounter with Eric Braden
806
00:44:22.030 --> 00:44:25.050
and James Cameron. And now I got to drop a
807
00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:28.010
secret on that as well. They had a, like a
808
00:44:28.090 --> 00:44:33.050
kind of thing where he was doing something. And James
809
00:44:33.090 --> 00:44:35.329
had said something very rude. And Eric said, hey, I
810
00:44:35.369 --> 00:44:37.969
don't let people talk to me rudely. And then he
811
00:44:38.050 --> 00:44:38.760
said something.
812
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:39.860
Did you hear about this?
813
00:44:39.980 --> 00:44:43.920
No. Was this at Turner? No. Okay.
814
00:44:43.940 --> 00:44:46.739
This was during the filming of the movie.
815
00:44:47.260 --> 00:44:48.679
Which movie?
816
00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:51.349
Colossus.
817
00:44:51.769 --> 00:44:53.630
What was James Cameron doing in Colossus?
818
00:44:54.289 --> 00:44:57.250
He wasn't in Colossus. There's a couple of secrets about
819
00:44:57.289 --> 00:45:00.070
they didn't have many people on the set. Right.
820
00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:02.420
You know who was on the set at that time?
821
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.019
First?
822
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:03.699
No.
823
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:04.760
Steven Spielberg.
824
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.099
Oh, I did hear a rumor about that. But that
825
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:11.500
makes sense because the movie was made at Universal in 1970.
826
00:45:11.500 --> 00:45:15.110
And this is literally when Steven Spielberg was starting to
827
00:45:15.130 --> 00:45:19.409
get his feet wet directing television, like the first Night
828
00:45:19.429 --> 00:45:23.329
Gallery movie and episodes of Columbo and things. And he
829
00:45:23.369 --> 00:45:26.679
really was this kid. that kind of was hanging out.
830
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.960
So I did hear the Spielberg thing. But give me
831
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.639
the Cameron connection. I'm confused.
832
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.320
I'm sorry. I wasn't at the filming. It was later.
833
00:45:34.539 --> 00:45:37.699
It wasn't at the Turner Classic. It was at some
834
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:41.570
other event where Eric might have been. Sorry, I want
835
00:45:41.590 --> 00:45:42.250
to correct myself.
836
00:45:42.329 --> 00:45:44.849
I want to get it right. And that they were
837
00:45:44.969 --> 00:45:47.389
at somewhere, and he had spoke brutally. And he was like,
838
00:45:47.429 --> 00:45:49.090
who are you? And he was like, I'm James Cameron.
839
00:45:49.110 --> 00:45:50.949
And he was like, oh, okay. Yeah.
840
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.360
I might get a job from you someday. Maybe I
841
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:53.989
should shut up.
842
00:45:54.110 --> 00:45:54.699
Never mind.
843
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.329
I don't even know. Wayne, look it up. I got to.
844
00:45:58.349 --> 00:46:01.429
Look it up. It's in the interview with Eric Braden.
845
00:46:02.030 --> 00:46:04.670
No, but I was going to ask because, of course,
846
00:46:04.710 --> 00:46:10.619
Cameron made Titanic. And I vaguely think perhaps Eric Braden
847
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:12.420
might have been in Titanic.
848
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.519
He's in the Titanic. That's it. You found it out.
849
00:46:16.579 --> 00:46:17.559
That is the connection.
850
00:46:18.139 --> 00:46:24.260
And that– that conversation led Cameron to want to cast
851
00:46:24.699 --> 00:46:25.260
Eric Brayden.
852
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:26.340
Well, that's good.
853
00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:26.659
Good.
854
00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:27.559
Okay.
855
00:46:28.340 --> 00:46:30.659
I thought so again, you know, that's the great thing again,
856
00:46:30.739 --> 00:46:33.659
especially as he matured, Brayden has just one of those
857
00:46:33.739 --> 00:46:38.119
classic old faces. I mean, it's truly the guy, obviously
858
00:46:38.179 --> 00:46:41.909
he's talented. I mean, and really, you know, people, people
859
00:46:41.969 --> 00:46:45.969
dismiss soap operas and it's like, That's live, basically, especially
860
00:46:46.030 --> 00:46:49.119
for a long time, that's live television. Now they tape it.
861
00:46:49.369 --> 00:46:52.889
In fact, I was watching Jonathan Frakes from Star Trek.
862
00:46:53.190 --> 00:46:57.429
His wife is Jeannie Francis from General Hospital. And they recently,
863
00:46:57.489 --> 00:47:01.840
on their podcast, Frakes and Brett Spiner, I think the
864
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.099
newest episode is William Shatner. And they bring up live
865
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.199
television because Shatner did it in the 50s and 60s.
866
00:47:08.900 --> 00:47:11.880
And Frakes is like, you know, my wife did a
867
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:13.099
lot of live television.
868
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:14.119
And Shatner was confused.
869
00:47:14.510 --> 00:47:17.329
And he's like, Jeannie Francis from General Hospital. For years,
870
00:47:17.389 --> 00:47:18.329
they were doing it live.
871
00:47:18.349 --> 00:47:21.570
That was so great.
872
00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:24.949
Wayne says, I thought Colossus treated the humans like mice
873
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:29.699
in a maze when it let the humans disarm some
874
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:33.900
of the missiles. Yeah, yeah. Again, Colossus was toying with
875
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:39.260
the humans and was so more infinitely smarter. Again, check
876
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.219
the headlines, kids. That's kind of what we're dealing with
877
00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:41.619
right now.
878
00:47:42.929 --> 00:47:46.900
Yeah, they were trying to say that Colossus... I was asking.
879
00:47:47.300 --> 00:47:50.179
I did the whole little AI question, okay?
880
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:55.840
I asked AI, what is the similarities between the movie
881
00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.079
Colossus and what is happening with AI now?
882
00:48:00.699 --> 00:48:03.219
And they were very clear it's not the same. Colossus
883
00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:04.460
was a supercomputer.
884
00:48:04.929 --> 00:48:08.489
And there actually is a supercomputer in Memphis named Colossus.
885
00:48:08.949 --> 00:48:09.750
Did you know that?
886
00:48:10.130 --> 00:48:10.869
I did not know that.
887
00:48:11.530 --> 00:48:13.929
Supercomputer... System in Memphis.
888
00:48:14.650 --> 00:48:17.530
And then this is a software where AI is a
889
00:48:17.650 --> 00:48:22.329
software program. But what they did say was dissimilar was
890
00:48:22.369 --> 00:48:29.539
the incident that happened where it overran its directives, communicated
891
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.940
with other, and then kept it awake.
892
00:48:34.969 --> 00:48:37.530
From the people who are supposed to know all of this.
893
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:42.300
I want to say this, John.
894
00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:45.340
I think also our president said that, you know, we
895
00:48:45.380 --> 00:48:46.619
can just plug, plug.
896
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.179
It'll be it. That is not the case. No, of
897
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:51.219
course not.
898
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:55.840
And also, I don't know which AI bot you asked
899
00:48:55.989 --> 00:48:57.150
about the comparison.
900
00:48:57.329 --> 00:48:57.710
Google.
901
00:48:57.750 --> 00:49:01.409
Oh, it was Google? Okay, fine. It was Google. Well, again, yeah.
902
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:05.860
Colossus is hardware. I'm doing air quotes for the audio.
903
00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:10.619
But essentially, no, it's it's programming. That is the problem.
904
00:49:10.940 --> 00:49:14.659
And that's the thing. Even it even them trying to
905
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.710
unplug it. I mean, God, even Eric Braden at the
906
00:49:17.769 --> 00:49:20.440
end gets so frustrated and smashes everything. one of the
907
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.159
monitors and things. And it's like, no, it doesn't matter.
908
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.710
It is the software. And I would disagree with Google's
909
00:49:27.809 --> 00:49:30.710
AI and say, no, this is, again, it was a
910
00:49:30.730 --> 00:49:38.219
1970s version of what's happening now. And again, it's the
911
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.860
fact that Colossus was able to speak to the Soviet
912
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:46.280
system guardian. And it's like, hey, man, that's the internet.
913
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:53.440
That is a 1970 version of the internet now. And again,
914
00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:56.639
it doesn't matter about the hardware. The hardware is superfluous.
915
00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.400
Wayne says, what am I supposed to look up? Sometimes
916
00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:01.880
a commercial All right.
917
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:05.739
He's watching.
918
00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:09.159
I understand. Don't worry about it. I don't have time.
919
00:50:09.179 --> 00:50:10.739
I don't have time to, I don't have time to
920
00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:14.440
pre-look at the chat. So whatever. I don't remember anymore. Wayne,
921
00:50:14.460 --> 00:50:18.199
don't worry about it. You did good. You've been doing great.
922
00:50:18.219 --> 00:50:20.300
And I appreciate it. How come you're not out enjoying
923
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.360
a New York comic con after hours, my man.
924
00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:23.469
I know.
925
00:50:23.489 --> 00:50:26.750
I know. It's watching. Yeah. It's I know it's well,
926
00:50:26.769 --> 00:50:28.489
that's what, you know, God bless him. That's that's what,
927
00:50:28.510 --> 00:50:31.210
you know, Wayne always makes time, and I appreciate it, Wayne.
928
00:50:31.469 --> 00:50:34.409
And I appreciate everybody else. God, so many people. In fact,
929
00:50:34.909 --> 00:50:37.429
shame on me. I've got to bring them up. Please.
930
00:50:37.489 --> 00:50:40.190
I've got to load them. But one of my Word
931
00:50:40.210 --> 00:50:44.489
Balloon listeners even sent more poster images beyond the one
932
00:50:44.530 --> 00:50:47.230
I used for the opening, and I will grab these.
933
00:50:47.289 --> 00:50:51.989
But I want to give him credit by name. Bob. Bob.
934
00:50:54.590 --> 00:51:00.309
Hold on. Bob Zupancic. So, Bob, I want to thank
935
00:51:00.349 --> 00:51:02.650
you again for being as kind as you have been
936
00:51:02.690 --> 00:51:05.250
in terms of giving us the images. And I'm going
937
00:51:05.269 --> 00:51:07.329
to post them as we're talking now. Go ahead, V.
938
00:51:07.349 --> 00:51:07.809
What do you got?
939
00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:10.650
I wanted to know how.
940
00:51:12.449 --> 00:51:16.710
Come when they started this, they didn't think about how
941
00:51:16.730 --> 00:51:19.949
to stop it. And I think that is the same
942
00:51:20.050 --> 00:51:22.280
question that we are dealing with today.
943
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.099
How do you create something that you can't stop?
944
00:51:28.110 --> 00:51:30.619
You got to have that kind of control and to
945
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.280
have some kind of moral signature where everybody's going to
946
00:51:34.300 --> 00:51:37.500
be on the best behavior or have some emergency system.
947
00:51:38.139 --> 00:51:41.260
What I realize now and that what maybe we all
948
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:45.159
should think about, no one holds the button anymore.
949
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:46.219
Right.
950
00:51:46.530 --> 00:51:50.030
There is no one button that can stop whatever is
951
00:51:50.070 --> 00:51:52.710
going to happen. It is going to be.
952
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:58.440
That to me is, I wouldn't create something that I
953
00:51:58.519 --> 00:51:59.699
can't stop.
954
00:52:00.980 --> 00:52:08.730
Yeah, but again, I think they didn't realize, again, I
955
00:52:08.769 --> 00:52:12.670
think much like the movie, there is a, not arrogance,
956
00:52:12.769 --> 00:52:15.269
but basically a, well, you know, our hand is on
957
00:52:15.309 --> 00:52:18.449
the button. So we'll be able to control this. But again,
958
00:52:19.110 --> 00:52:21.500
these things are, as they point out in the movie,
959
00:52:22.340 --> 00:52:26.929
it's the collective knowledge of, centuries that are being dumped
960
00:52:26.969 --> 00:52:32.230
into this computer. Shatner on that Frakes and Brent Spiner thing,
961
00:52:32.630 --> 00:52:36.449
he was talking about talking to AI and posing questions.
962
00:52:36.909 --> 00:52:39.329
And he said, listen, and basically was like, I understand
963
00:52:39.349 --> 00:52:43.309
the fear, but on the positive side, he's like, this
964
00:52:43.389 --> 00:52:49.530
is the collective intelligence of centuries of knowledge. And I'm
965
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:54.219
asking these questions about universe and the potential for learning that.
966
00:52:54.380 --> 00:52:58.260
Because again, Shatner's a big on his own, and I
967
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.000
know Wayne doesn't like Shatner, and I can appreciate that
968
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:03.099
because I think he can be very arrogant, but he
969
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:07.460
is a futurist. He has tremendous respect for guys like
970
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:11.400
Neil deGrasse Tyson and others that are really these modern
971
00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:14.699
thinkers that are really going beyond what we know now
972
00:53:14.780 --> 00:53:17.380
and what we could know later and everything. So I mean,
973
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.619
there is a potential. And also, much like in this movie,
974
00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:23.739
where they're like, hey, this thing can solve.
975
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:26.780
And in fact, Colossus himself says, I can solve famine.
976
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:28.670
I can solve overpopulation.
977
00:53:29.010 --> 00:53:32.190
All these things. Much like today, when the proponents of
978
00:53:32.269 --> 00:53:34.250
AI are saying, hey, we're going to be able to
979
00:53:34.289 --> 00:53:37.650
cure cancer and a lot of other medical things. While
980
00:53:37.670 --> 00:53:41.429
we're waiting. Because right now, there isn't very much that
981
00:53:41.510 --> 00:53:45.070
AI has done in those areas of science and innovation yet.
982
00:53:45.309 --> 00:53:48.610
that you can point to and say it's good. I mean, again,
983
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:51.739
I mean, John Stewart on The Daily Show on Monday
984
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:56.260
had a fantastic 20-minute editorial about where AI is now.
985
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:01.159
And also all the jobs it's going to kill and
986
00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:04.260
what's going to happen to these people. And you ask
987
00:54:04.300 --> 00:54:07.329
these AI experts what's going to happen and they're like, well,
988
00:54:07.349 --> 00:54:09.750
there'll be new jobs. Really? What kind of jobs? They
989
00:54:09.769 --> 00:54:11.590
don't have an answer. They don't have an answer for that.
990
00:54:13.670 --> 00:54:17.000
What I'm scared of As I've done all this research
991
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:21.460
about this and the humanity in all areas, there are
992
00:54:21.500 --> 00:54:22.599
no checks and balances.
993
00:54:22.659 --> 00:54:26.440
You're right. There really aren't. They are giving us the
994
00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:27.840
illusion that they are.
995
00:54:27.860 --> 00:54:32.550
I don't even think there's an illusion, V. Honestly, no.
996
00:54:32.630 --> 00:54:36.190
I really don't. I mean, again, Schmucko is like, well,
997
00:54:36.250 --> 00:54:40.030
they can handle it. They can self-police. The Fox does
998
00:54:40.070 --> 00:54:42.349
not need to guard the hen house, kids. That's not
999
00:54:42.389 --> 00:54:45.389
the way to do it. And I'm hoping that maybe
1000
00:54:45.449 --> 00:54:50.449
the EU and Canada, everyone right now that we used
1001
00:54:50.469 --> 00:54:52.880
to be allies with, that maybe they all band together
1002
00:54:52.900 --> 00:54:54.300
and go, yeah, this is what we're going to do.
1003
00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:58.280
But again, I don't know. I honestly don't want to
1004
00:54:58.300 --> 00:55:02.380
wait to set up guardrails about, you know, use and everything.
1005
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.179
I honestly don't know. I hear Travis said AI is
1006
00:55:06.219 --> 00:55:10.309
being overhyped. Yeah, the company's stock price is up. Absolutely.
1007
00:55:10.349 --> 00:55:12.590
That is one of the reasons why the president is
1008
00:55:12.630 --> 00:55:15.750
such a proponent of AI. It is a big boost
1009
00:55:15.769 --> 00:55:16.489
to the economy.
1010
00:55:18.110 --> 00:55:21.739
But it's not a big boost to all of the economy.
1011
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:22.400
No.
1012
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.260
And the one thing that I do like about now
1013
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.860
that's not happening in the movie is it hasn't controlled
1014
00:55:29.059 --> 00:55:29.980
everything yet.
1015
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:30.239
Right.
1016
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:35.860
We still have the ability to... try to control it.
1017
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.199
I'm not saying that we're going to be successful. And
1018
00:55:39.489 --> 00:55:42.030
I'm going to be honest, I don't think we are.
1019
00:55:42.710 --> 00:55:46.550
We need to prepare ourselves for not being successful. That's
1020
00:55:46.590 --> 00:55:47.269
what I believe.
1021
00:55:47.510 --> 00:55:49.570
Yeah, I don't think it's going to kill us, even
1022
00:55:49.610 --> 00:55:51.309
though I know that there are... And again, I read
1023
00:55:51.329 --> 00:55:53.849
the articles from the insiders that had to leave the
1024
00:55:53.889 --> 00:55:56.900
companies and stuff. But by the same token, there's a
1025
00:55:56.980 --> 00:56:00.280
great moment near the end of the movie when Colossus
1026
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.619
is basically telling the world its plans... And this kid
1027
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.539
cracked me up. Why the fuck is this kid wearing
1028
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:10.409
a T-shirt with the Colossus symbol on it?
1029
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:14.800
Yay! Yay, I'm all for world domination.
1030
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:19.119
Yeah, bring it on, man. Really, this might be a
1031
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:23.969
young Donald Trump, you know, anticipating. I like what he's saying.
1032
00:56:24.250 --> 00:56:24.789
I like this.
1033
00:56:25.969 --> 00:56:26.489
I don't know.
1034
00:56:26.869 --> 00:56:27.909
John, that is great.
1035
00:56:30.429 --> 00:56:31.929
I saw that at the, I forgot, I mean.
1036
00:56:32.329 --> 00:56:35.030
I did not notice that. You know that why they
1037
00:56:35.070 --> 00:56:36.690
did that. That was marketing the show.
1038
00:56:36.710 --> 00:56:38.210
You know, that's the first, you know, they were doing
1039
00:56:38.250 --> 00:56:40.860
marketing to show that the company that donated. That's the
1040
00:56:40.889 --> 00:56:43.159
company that donated the computer's logo.
1041
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:48.500
No, that's not the real, that's not the real company's logo, V.
1042
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.579
No, it was just a company for Colossus. Yes, yes, yes.
1043
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.639
Yeah, but I think, yeah, I understand. And again, maybe
1044
00:56:55.699 --> 00:56:59.059
some people, you know, are like, all right, this is
1045
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.280
the new status quo. I'm going to be on this team.
1046
00:57:01.539 --> 00:57:04.760
It's kind of like Kent Brockman on The Simpsons when
1047
00:57:04.780 --> 00:57:06.760
he thought the giant ants were going to take over.
1048
00:57:07.050 --> 00:57:09.070
And he's like, I'd like to say thank you to
1049
00:57:09.130 --> 00:57:14.110
our new ant masters. So yeah, maybe he's a willing slave.
1050
00:57:14.190 --> 00:57:15.030
I have no idea.
1051
00:57:16.809 --> 00:57:20.630
But yeah, I didn't remember that. Was this the first
1052
00:57:20.670 --> 00:57:22.809
time you've seen this movie or did you remember it
1053
00:57:22.869 --> 00:57:23.610
when we were kids?
1054
00:57:24.869 --> 00:57:27.539
When you suggested it to me, It was the first
1055
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.940
time I ever heard of it. I didn't even know.
1056
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.400
I knew Eric Braden was in the Planet of the Apes.
1057
00:57:33.139 --> 00:57:36.420
Of course, I'm watching Young and the Restless forever.
1058
00:57:37.820 --> 00:57:40.440
But no, I did not know this.
1059
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:43.000
And I think this is better than his Planet of
1060
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:45.460
the Apes movie, as I might say, as an actor,
1061
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:46.880
a movie critic.
1062
00:57:46.940 --> 00:57:48.239
Oh, well, he's the first one.
1063
00:57:48.260 --> 00:57:48.900
He's better.
1064
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:51.539
Well, he's the lead. He's the lead.
1065
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.599
So obviously, he's got more to do. Right.
1066
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:58.119
I remember seeing this on CBS when they used to
1067
00:57:58.139 --> 00:58:01.469
do the movies at 1030 in the Central Time Zone,
1068
00:58:01.469 --> 00:58:04.050
1130 on the coasts. And they shot a lot of
1069
00:58:04.090 --> 00:58:06.909
science fiction movies back then. Because, I mean, we kind
1070
00:58:06.969 --> 00:58:09.889
of said at the beginning, Universal really didn't know what
1071
00:58:09.929 --> 00:58:12.650
to do with this movie. I mean, once it was done.
1072
00:58:12.849 --> 00:58:17.460
And it did kind of have a weird box office thing.
1073
00:58:17.500 --> 00:58:19.590
Like you said, Ebert did like it. But I don't
1074
00:58:19.610 --> 00:58:22.250
think it played very long because it was such an
1075
00:58:22.449 --> 00:58:24.949
odd duck of a movie. It had the negative ending.
1076
00:58:24.969 --> 00:58:25.789
Do you know? Go ahead.
1077
00:58:26.329 --> 00:58:28.340
Yeah, I know a couple of things. First of all,
1078
00:58:28.699 --> 00:58:31.860
it came out three times in the same year. First,
1079
00:58:31.900 --> 00:58:34.179
it came out April 8th, and it just came out
1080
00:58:34.219 --> 00:58:34.860
with Colossus.
1081
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:37.679
And they were concerned. And I know you're going to
1082
00:58:37.780 --> 00:58:40.150
add something to this. They were concerned it was too
1083
00:58:40.269 --> 00:58:45.320
much sex. Steven, somebody who was playing Hercules, those Italian Hercules.
1084
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.360
Yeah, those Gladiator movies from the 50s and 60s. Right.
1085
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:49.579
So they took it out.
1086
00:58:50.300 --> 00:58:54.519
And then in the fall, they added Colossus, the Corbin project.
1087
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:55.179
Corbin.
1088
00:58:55.739 --> 00:58:57.190
Corbin, excuse me. Corbin, F.
1089
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.730
Hold on. No. Right there, baby.
1090
00:59:01.789 --> 00:59:02.730
The Corbin, excuse me.
1091
00:59:02.849 --> 00:59:05.329
Thank you. All right. There you go. Get it straight.
1092
00:59:05.550 --> 00:59:06.349
Get it straight.
1093
00:59:06.849 --> 00:59:07.429
All right.
1094
00:59:07.530 --> 00:59:09.789
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm messing with you. All right.
1095
00:59:10.309 --> 00:59:12.130
I've known her for 40 years. I can yell like that.
1096
00:59:12.190 --> 00:59:12.789
Go ahead. Yes.
1097
00:59:12.829 --> 00:59:13.289
We've been friends.
1098
00:59:13.309 --> 00:59:13.690
Sorry, honey.
1099
00:59:14.050 --> 00:59:15.230
It's my family.
1100
00:59:15.250 --> 00:59:16.590
She knows I'm messing with her. Go ahead.
1101
00:59:16.610 --> 00:59:19.050
You're my brother from another mother and father. You're my brother.
1102
00:59:19.070 --> 00:59:19.730
Love you, sweetie.
1103
00:59:19.829 --> 00:59:21.719
Thank you.
1104
00:59:21.949 --> 00:59:25.280
The other thing about it is they tried it the
1105
00:59:25.340 --> 00:59:27.039
third time and it still didn't go well.
1106
00:59:27.099 --> 00:59:30.619
But when they transferred it to TV... They took out
1107
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.420
the sensitive sex scenes.
1108
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:33.110
Right.
1109
00:59:34.219 --> 00:59:34.860
And that.
1110
00:59:35.409 --> 00:59:35.949
That's fine.
1111
00:59:35.969 --> 00:59:38.530
Braden and I have the same idea. I have the
1112
00:59:38.570 --> 00:59:40.130
same idea of such a great actor.
1113
00:59:41.250 --> 00:59:46.750
Don't make another remake or they tried to do one
1114
00:59:46.769 --> 00:59:48.369
and they were going to use Will Smith.
1115
00:59:48.969 --> 00:59:49.429
Hello.
1116
00:59:50.030 --> 00:59:52.789
I didn't know that. Go on. How long ago?
1117
00:59:52.789 --> 00:59:53.789
2013. Okay.
1118
00:59:53.929 --> 00:59:59.190
They had talked about doing a remake with some different people.
1119
00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:02.000
And then it got shut down. And I can imagine
1120
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.039
so many reasons after that.
1121
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.539
Honestly, I've been having this discussion on word balloon and
1122
01:00:08.619 --> 01:00:11.059
on scene missing. And also, you know, Gabe Hardman, who
1123
01:00:11.099 --> 01:00:13.840
does a lot of our scene missing episodes, I was
1124
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:17.639
talking with him and I'm like, why, especially given the
1125
01:00:17.659 --> 01:00:20.860
last five years, why haven't they remade this? The problem
1126
01:00:20.989 --> 01:00:24.269
is it takes two years to make a movie. I
1127
01:00:24.349 --> 01:00:29.429
guarantee you AI today, two years from now, It's going
1128
01:00:29.449 --> 01:00:32.840
to look vastly different. Just as it has... I mean,
1129
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.320
I even initially, V, there are episodes of Word Balloon
1130
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.880
where I talk to ChatGPT and interview it. And we
1131
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.900
go back and forth and have a discussion about comic books,
1132
01:00:44.980 --> 01:00:49.280
about movies. I did a quiz with it. And again,
1133
01:00:49.619 --> 01:00:53.539
just to show the mistakes that it made. I can
1134
01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:58.860
guarantee you now, because... I will confess that when I
1135
01:00:58.900 --> 01:01:02.760
do research, I will use AI. I will verify. My
1136
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:06.539
good friend Gary Price, who is a library science PhD,
1137
01:01:07.059 --> 01:01:10.480
is like, hey, you got to ask it several times,
1138
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.460
are you sure? And half the time you will get,
1139
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:15.940
you're right to ask, am I sure? I actually got
1140
01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:16.559
that wrong.
1141
01:01:17.260 --> 01:01:20.579
It's actually C. It's not A. That kind of thing.
1142
01:01:21.460 --> 01:01:26.030
So there's that. But also- it is getting more conversational
1143
01:01:26.469 --> 01:01:29.670
than it was two years ago. And literally when it's
1144
01:01:29.750 --> 01:01:32.489
now looking at least chat GPT, I'm like, Hey, look
1145
01:01:32.510 --> 01:01:37.530
this up. Okay. And it's like humming to itself. And
1146
01:01:37.570 --> 01:01:40.150
I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, I do that now.
1147
01:01:40.170 --> 01:01:41.170
Okay.
1148
01:01:42.340 --> 01:01:44.780
So before you kill me, you're going to be very human.
1149
01:01:45.099 --> 01:01:47.679
It's a, it's, it's how it's how 9,000 from 2001, Dave,
1150
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:48.900
don't do it. I'm afraid.
1151
01:01:53.409 --> 01:01:55.969
I have to share this experience with you guys, please.
1152
01:01:56.889 --> 01:02:02.019
I ordered something from Walmart, okay? I did. I don't
1153
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:03.619
know what I was thinking, but I ordered something from
1154
01:02:03.659 --> 01:02:06.400
Walmart and I expected it to be delivered.
1155
01:02:07.699 --> 01:02:09.340
When it wasn't delivered on the first day or the
1156
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.800
second day, I got Heather, their AI, wonderful person. I'm
1157
01:02:13.820 --> 01:02:16.760
going to tell you, she's a little smart ass, okay?
1158
01:02:18.019 --> 01:02:20.219
Because I was like, hey, I want my money back.
1159
01:02:20.900 --> 01:02:24.670
Well, Veronica... Oh, you like to be called Lady V.
1160
01:02:25.449 --> 01:02:28.349
I was like, what? I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding.
1161
01:02:28.489 --> 01:02:31.269
It independently knew you were Lady V.
1162
01:02:31.989 --> 01:02:35.510
I'm not kidding. So I'm going, okay.
1163
01:02:35.739 --> 01:02:36.199
That's amazing.
1164
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.000
Heather. And like, I had a wonderful aunt on my
1165
01:02:39.019 --> 01:02:41.119
mother's side. Heather.
1166
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:42.599
Heather.
1167
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:43.500
Heather.
1168
01:02:44.139 --> 01:02:44.579
For real.
1169
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.920
And I had the real guy from Walmart laughing when
1170
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:52.650
I finally said, Heather, I know you're AI. I really
1171
01:02:52.670 --> 01:02:55.269
can tell. Because you're really trying to make me smile
1172
01:02:55.329 --> 01:02:57.539
and laugh. And a real person wouldn't be doing that.
1173
01:02:57.800 --> 01:02:59.980
They would be frustrated by the fact that I'm frustrated
1174
01:03:00.019 --> 01:03:01.119
that I haven't received my stuff.
1175
01:03:01.420 --> 01:03:02.840
So can you get me to a real person?
1176
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:07.460
So finally, well, okay, but I thought I could be helpful.
1177
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.300
I'm so disappointed. She sounded like a real person disappointed.
1178
01:03:10.340 --> 01:03:11.360
She couldn't help me.
1179
01:03:11.659 --> 01:03:11.949
Sure.
1180
01:03:12.690 --> 01:03:16.210
Here, Travis does a couple of interesting points. Travis says,
1181
01:03:16.269 --> 01:03:19.170
should we have stopped the development of the auto industry
1182
01:03:19.210 --> 01:03:24.260
to keep jobs for blacksmiths, wheel builders, Wright's, Stableman, and
1183
01:03:24.340 --> 01:03:27.449
Buggy Whip manufacturers. We don't know what jobs will come
1184
01:03:27.690 --> 01:03:30.289
from the AI industry. I hear what you're saying, Travis,
1185
01:03:30.329 --> 01:03:33.329
and I do understand, and you're absolutely right, and I
1186
01:03:33.369 --> 01:03:41.349
make the comparison to pre-industrial revolution technology and crafts and things. Yeah,
1187
01:03:41.769 --> 01:03:46.300
but again, human beings are making these choices. There was,
1188
01:03:47.019 --> 01:03:49.639
and I shouldn't, I don't even know, but you're right,
1189
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.219
there was a transition where The blacksmiths had to learn
1190
01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:58.139
a new trade. So you're right about that. Again, this is,
1191
01:03:58.260 --> 01:04:01.380
I think, going beyond that, where we are dealing with
1192
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:06.590
pretty much every industry. I, as a copywriter and commercial
1193
01:04:06.670 --> 01:04:12.090
producer in radio for 30 years, 80% of my job
1194
01:04:12.150 --> 01:04:15.409
can now be done by AI. And the only thing
1195
01:04:15.449 --> 01:04:18.190
I do think that you can tell the difference when
1196
01:04:18.210 --> 01:04:21.610
you watch videos or listen to audio You can tell
1197
01:04:21.630 --> 01:04:24.010
when it's an AI. They always get names wrong, which
1198
01:04:24.070 --> 01:04:27.730
cracks me up. Proper names and company names and things.
1199
01:04:28.130 --> 01:04:31.090
Because again, they're just dealing with the letters. They don't
1200
01:04:31.130 --> 01:04:33.980
know how to pronounce it. In fact, when I was
1201
01:04:34.019 --> 01:04:40.079
doing my research for this and I saw George Stanford Brown,
1202
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:44.820
he doesn't use the E at the end of his name.
1203
01:04:45.389 --> 01:04:49.010
And I can't remember, but I asked... I play with
1204
01:04:49.090 --> 01:04:54.269
the AI like Buck Rogers or Mr. Spock because, again,
1205
01:04:54.409 --> 01:04:57.880
growing up with these sci-fi movies, I'm sorry. It's a
1206
01:04:57.909 --> 01:05:01.280
game to me. So I'm like, who is the black
1207
01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:05.280
guy in Colossus? And I can't remember how she pronounced
1208
01:05:05.300 --> 01:05:08.420
the name, but I got Stafford Brown. And I'm like,
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01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.719
do you mean George Stafford Brown? I'm like, spell the
1210
01:05:11.739 --> 01:05:16.250
first name. She spelled it out, G-E-O-R-G. No E at
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01:05:16.269 --> 01:05:19.010
the end. And I said, all right, you're pronouncing it odd.
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01:05:19.630 --> 01:05:22.820
His name is George. He goes by George. And she's like, oh,
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01:05:22.860 --> 01:05:25.840
thanks for the correction. So now I guess ChatGPT now
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01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:30.440
knows how to say George Stafford Brown properly because idiot
1215
01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:34.780
Yoko Chips gave her the proper pronunciation. So I am
1216
01:05:34.820 --> 01:05:37.739
helping the corruption of our society and the fall of
1217
01:05:37.820 --> 01:05:39.610
our society with ChatGPT.
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01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:40.550
No, we all are.
1219
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:44.650
Because do you know that every time that AI does
1220
01:05:44.690 --> 01:05:48.659
something incorrect, It corrects itself by us saying that.
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01:05:48.739 --> 01:05:51.300
There are jobs. And I'm going to just address what
1222
01:05:51.340 --> 01:05:52.590
Travis said, if I may.
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01:05:53.030 --> 01:05:53.300
Please.
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01:05:54.530 --> 01:05:58.650
That you're right. I believe that progress should happen.
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01:05:59.369 --> 01:06:02.929
But at the cost of human life, at the cost
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01:06:03.110 --> 01:06:07.269
of compassion for the human condition, absolutely not.
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01:06:07.610 --> 01:06:08.289
Right.
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01:06:08.869 --> 01:06:11.150
Only us. Yeah.
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01:06:11.449 --> 01:06:14.699
Only us. Travis says the rate of change now. is
1230
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:18.429
so much faster, so it will affect workers much more. Absolutely, man. Again,
1231
01:06:18.469 --> 01:06:21.610
that's the problem. That's why we need guardrails. And that's
1232
01:06:21.670 --> 01:06:26.070
why Captain Schmucko saying, oh, they can police themselves. I'm
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01:06:26.090 --> 01:06:30.130
hoping that's enough of a code that it won't get
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01:06:30.190 --> 01:06:37.989
by the NSA, who's likely monitoring this very video. All right, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne.
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01:06:38.050 --> 01:06:41.030
That's confirmed that they are after us now.
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01:06:42.510 --> 01:06:45.550
But we're only speaking truth. And the one thing that
1237
01:06:45.610 --> 01:06:49.150
this movie made me want to do is get educated
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01:06:49.230 --> 01:06:49.929
about the subject.
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01:06:49.949 --> 01:06:50.550
This is a 1971 movie?
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01:06:50.570 --> 01:06:51.369
No, sorry, 70.
1241
01:06:51.369 --> 01:06:54.090
And it started getting awards years after, 1971 to 1985.
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01:06:54.090 --> 01:06:55.190
It did win the Hugo Award in 1971.
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01:06:55.170 --> 01:06:55.750
You're right about that.
1244
01:06:55.769 --> 01:06:58.610
And then it won the Saturn Award in the 80s.
1245
01:06:58.619 --> 01:06:59.260
So this movie is.
1246
01:07:14.829 --> 01:07:18.449
Not just a movie. To me, this is a warning sign.
1247
01:07:18.510 --> 01:07:19.309
Ding, ding, ding.
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01:07:19.349 --> 01:07:24.510
Red alert, red alert, red alert. Learn more. Fight more
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01:07:25.230 --> 01:07:26.710
about our own human.
1250
01:07:29.179 --> 01:07:29.679
Survival.
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01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:30.800
Survival.
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01:07:31.219 --> 01:07:36.360
And that the last statement that Colossus says to the
1253
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:38.380
doctor is never.
1254
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:43.539
Is this going to be under human control again? And
1255
01:07:43.579 --> 01:07:44.139
he says never.
1256
01:07:44.909 --> 01:07:48.010
Yeah, and Colossus is like, hey, eventually I'll wear you
1257
01:07:48.030 --> 01:07:50.550
down and you'll work with me. And yeah, again, Eric
1258
01:07:50.570 --> 01:07:53.530
Braden defied until the end of the movie, but not
1259
01:07:53.570 --> 01:07:55.849
a satisfying ending if you're looking for a happy ending,
1260
01:07:56.210 --> 01:08:01.639
but an amazing film. And like I said, as AI
1261
01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:04.820
really started, when the snowball started to get bigger and
1262
01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:07.420
bigger as it rolled down the mountain, I'm like, I
1263
01:08:07.460 --> 01:08:09.619
got to do this. I've seen this thing. And like
1264
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:13.219
I said, I'm shocked that they did try to remake
1265
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.860
it in 2013 and That might have been the last
1266
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:19.270
chance to do it right. Because again, that's way before
1267
01:08:19.699 --> 01:08:24.170
where we are now. Even in comics, Brian Bendis, my
1268
01:08:24.210 --> 01:08:28.210
dear friend, wrote a great Avengers story. And you might
1269
01:08:28.250 --> 01:08:32.810
remember the second Avengers movie, Age of Ultron. But essentially,
1270
01:08:33.409 --> 01:08:38.010
he had Ultron working in the way that AI does.
1271
01:08:38.569 --> 01:08:42.050
And it wins and it takes over the world. And
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01:08:42.069 --> 01:08:46.479
then the Avengers have to, like, it's a they have
1273
01:08:46.500 --> 01:08:49.319
to go back in time to fix the problem, much
1274
01:08:49.380 --> 01:08:52.600
like in the Avengers Endgame. But this is several years
1275
01:08:52.659 --> 01:08:57.949
before Endgame, and specifically to stop this technology that ran
1276
01:08:58.010 --> 01:09:01.180
amok and won. so that's why they have to fix
1277
01:09:01.220 --> 01:09:04.859
it it is also called Age of Ultron like the
1278
01:09:04.899 --> 01:09:08.199
movie I can't remember if it was made before or
1279
01:09:08.380 --> 01:09:10.680
after the film I think it was after but it
1280
01:09:10.739 --> 01:09:14.939
is a different story than the film and again Brian
1281
01:09:15.020 --> 01:09:17.880
is a futurist who is paying a lot of attention
1282
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:21.560
to new technology And was very excited when the movie,
1283
01:09:21.689 --> 01:09:24.619
rather when he was writing the comic. And since our
1284
01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:27.239
discussions about AI, he's like, well, you know, I was
1285
01:09:27.260 --> 01:09:29.060
talking about this, you know, when I did Avengers.
1286
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:30.840
And I'm like, yeah, I do remember that.
1287
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:32.960
So there you go.
1288
01:09:32.979 --> 01:09:36.550
Well, I just wanted to say how many movies this
1289
01:09:37.090 --> 01:09:38.350
movie inspired.
1290
01:09:40.170 --> 01:09:40.869
Terminators.
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01:09:42.149 --> 01:09:44.289
The second, the Terminator 2.
1292
01:09:44.289 --> 01:09:44.470
Yes.
1293
01:09:44.510 --> 01:09:47.659
Terminator 2. War Games. Yep.
1294
01:09:47.989 --> 01:09:50.659
Then this movie that I saw recently that I thought
1295
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:52.500
was a masterpiece, Ex Machina.
1296
01:09:53.100 --> 01:09:53.800
I hadn't seen that.
1297
01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:54.340
Ex Machina.
1298
01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.279
Oh, is that how it's pronounced? I'm sorry. That's all right.
1299
01:09:57.539 --> 01:09:58.859
It was amazing.
1300
01:09:59.100 --> 01:10:01.130
And, and, you know, I'm not trying to mansplain your ass.
1301
01:10:01.189 --> 01:10:04.729
I'm just, I, I just want to, again, you know, no, I,
1302
01:10:04.829 --> 01:10:06.689
and you'll forgive me, but I, just so people know
1303
01:10:06.729 --> 01:10:09.649
what we're talking about. So, you know, there's a lot
1304
01:10:09.710 --> 01:10:13.319
of shitty AI gone amok movies and all you have
1305
01:10:13.340 --> 01:10:15.260
to do, I don't even remember some of the names,
1306
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.319
but if you go to to be, And I don't
1307
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.500
know if you know this, V, there's a film company
1308
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.579
called The Asylum and they make crappy, first of all,
1309
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:27.420
they make crappy horror movies and crappy comedies, but they
1310
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.829
also do a ton of knockoff movies that I don't
1311
01:10:30.850 --> 01:10:33.930
know if they're trying to confuse a third world market
1312
01:10:34.409 --> 01:10:38.369
that it's kind of like Transformers, but slightly different. But
1313
01:10:38.409 --> 01:10:40.270
there are a bunch, again, if you just go to
1314
01:10:40.329 --> 01:10:43.590
Tubi and look up AI, you're going to find a lot.
1315
01:10:43.649 --> 01:10:46.479
And some of them are really like, Horror movies with
1316
01:10:46.539 --> 01:10:51.310
soft core porn in them. Yeah, it's ridiculous. But yeah,
1317
01:10:51.350 --> 01:10:53.510
like a woman that gets seduced by an AI.
1318
01:10:55.569 --> 01:10:58.930
Well, hey, there's a man that's seduced by AI.
1319
01:10:59.369 --> 01:11:01.930
We didn't mention another great horror movie from the 70s
1320
01:11:02.489 --> 01:11:04.850
that maybe came after this. Demon Seed.
1321
01:11:05.609 --> 01:11:06.840
Oh, yeah, they were seeing that.
1322
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:07.340
Yes.
1323
01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:09.199
A lot of people would love to see.
1324
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:12.279
Now, this is what would be the ultimate re-release.
1325
01:11:13.020 --> 01:11:13.800
Not changing anything.
1326
01:11:14.659 --> 01:11:18.079
Any movie is having a double feature of demon seed
1327
01:11:18.739 --> 01:11:19.560
and Colossus.
1328
01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:23.250
Yeah. Oh no, I agree. And I mean, really it
1329
01:11:24.170 --> 01:11:28.229
also that, that there's that theory out there about singularity
1330
01:11:28.729 --> 01:11:33.670
when man and machine will finally integrate and people like Asimov,
1331
01:11:33.829 --> 01:11:39.479
Isaac Asimov thought of the positive area of that. But again,
1332
01:11:39.539 --> 01:11:41.689
as we're dealing with the realities today with AI and,
1333
01:11:42.619 --> 01:11:45.859
I'm against singularity, so no thank you.
1334
01:11:46.659 --> 01:11:50.210
No, I kind of like humans, all humans, and computers
1335
01:11:50.229 --> 01:11:51.329
stay all computers.
1336
01:11:52.050 --> 01:11:54.890
Yeah, Demon Z-Wayne, you got us, you got us.
1337
01:11:56.090 --> 01:11:59.029
And he says the creator of Ultron, Hank Pym, not
1338
01:11:59.069 --> 01:11:59.989
a good father, indeed.
1339
01:12:02.689 --> 01:12:04.199
Yep.
1340
01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:06.539
There you go. All right, so there you go, everybody.
1341
01:12:07.500 --> 01:12:12.689
It's on the Internet Archive. And I did, on my socials,
1342
01:12:13.569 --> 01:12:18.960
on Facebook and on X and also Blue Sky, I
1343
01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:22.220
do have a direct link to the movie there. So
1344
01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:24.560
if you've never seen the movie, I urge you to
1345
01:12:24.619 --> 01:12:27.340
see it. I think it's great. It's a little dry.
1346
01:12:27.460 --> 01:12:30.239
I won't deny that because it is a talking movie.
1347
01:12:30.260 --> 01:12:35.399
I think it's intense. And if you can handle, as
1348
01:12:35.470 --> 01:12:37.869
V said, the opening is a little 70s. Just five minutes.
1349
01:12:38.050 --> 01:12:38.569
Five minutes.
1350
01:12:38.590 --> 01:12:39.310
Just give me more.
1351
01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:41.819
But as soon as they start talking about the computer
1352
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.479
and it goes online, pop that movie.
1353
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.890
Pay attention to what everybody says. Because you're missing a
1354
01:12:47.930 --> 01:12:52.189
lot of stuff in the background. There you go. That's
1355
01:12:52.229 --> 01:12:52.869
the problem.
1356
01:12:52.909 --> 01:12:55.449
We'll finish your thought and then we'll acknowledge the comment.
1357
01:12:55.489 --> 01:12:56.449
I'm just leaving it up there.
1358
01:12:56.890 --> 01:13:00.880
Yeah, but it's just the fact that this movie to
1359
01:13:01.020 --> 01:13:03.300
me is a warning.
1360
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.720
And we need to be more informed as regular individuals
1361
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:10.579
I may not be so tech-savvy like me.
1362
01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:12.560
I'm not a tech-savvy person, but I'm going to learn
1363
01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.560
how to be tech-savvy after seeing this.
1364
01:13:15.189 --> 01:13:15.470
Sure.
1365
01:13:16.850 --> 01:13:19.029
Wayne makes the point, yeah, kids and their cell phones,
1366
01:13:19.550 --> 01:13:22.149
singularity is here already. Yeah, it's true. I mean, again,
1367
01:13:24.189 --> 01:13:27.949
I hope that the reality gets through to the younger
1368
01:13:27.989 --> 01:13:30.989
generations and that they see the dangers the way some
1369
01:13:31.029 --> 01:13:34.069
of us older people do. I also wanted to point out, everybody,
1370
01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:37.060
because there's only a few hours left, but V is
1371
01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:42.520
in the running. for a contest that iHeartRadio is doing.
1372
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:43.319
Describe it, V.
1373
01:13:44.220 --> 01:13:46.960
It's a top host contest where you get an opportunity
1374
01:13:47.020 --> 01:13:48.619
to do your own podcast and.
1375
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.619
Become a professional podcaster.
1376
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:54.109
And I know a lot of people don't really think
1377
01:13:55.050 --> 01:13:58.489
that that's an important job, but that's really funny to me.
1378
01:13:58.829 --> 01:14:02.550
Yeah, I know, John, right? Look how important this job is, right?
1379
01:14:02.970 --> 01:14:04.210
Look how important this job is.
1380
01:14:04.649 --> 01:14:07.600
And I get to talk about whatever I want to
1381
01:14:08.270 --> 01:14:09.090
On my show.
1382
01:14:09.930 --> 01:14:12.890
So I can offer to Wayne.
1383
01:14:12.430 --> 01:14:15.189
And John and Franco and other ones to come on
1384
01:14:15.270 --> 01:14:15.869
my show.
1385
01:14:16.329 --> 01:14:16.529
Sure.
1386
01:14:16.689 --> 01:14:18.729
And I lead and I get to man explain you
1387
01:14:18.770 --> 01:14:19.890
away or a woman explain you.
1388
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:21.079
Away, John, or whatever.
1389
01:14:21.100 --> 01:14:27.260
But I also get to sit with iHeartRadio's top host, really,
1390
01:14:27.539 --> 01:14:28.720
Ryan Seacrest.
1391
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.359
And I get to interview and talk with him on
1392
01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:32.390
my show. Okay.
1393
01:14:32.409 --> 01:14:35.670
Because, yeah, there's a, I mean, and you'll forgive me, Vee.
1394
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:41.119
Anyone could be a podcast host. But this, specifically, with iHeart,
1395
01:14:41.899 --> 01:14:44.960
not only do you get the opportunity to have your
1396
01:14:44.979 --> 01:14:49.439
podcast on iHeart, but also you get to interview Ryan Sequist,
1397
01:14:49.699 --> 01:14:51.079
and there's a cash prize as well.
1398
01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:52.359
Yeah, it is.
1399
01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:55.539
And I want those who have voted for me already,
1400
01:14:55.579 --> 01:14:58.319
like Ryan Wayne and Franco, thank you so much.
1401
01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:02.409
And John and everyone who has voted for me so far.
1402
01:15:02.670 --> 01:15:02.909
Mitch.
1403
01:15:03.329 --> 01:15:06.569
John and Mitch. Mitch. You guys have put me at
1404
01:15:06.609 --> 01:15:09.949
number one in the category in my house.
1405
01:15:09.989 --> 01:15:12.670
So I got seven, six hours. No, maybe five and
1406
01:15:12.689 --> 01:15:13.930
a half now because it was seven.
1407
01:15:14.010 --> 01:15:17.369
Holy crap. So, yeah, for the video audience, I've got
1408
01:15:17.409 --> 01:15:20.789
the banner there. And for the audio, well, again, by
1409
01:15:20.810 --> 01:15:22.680
the time I release the audio, I think the window
1410
01:15:22.699 --> 01:15:29.079
will be closed. But it's tophost.org backslash 2026 backslash Veronica
1411
01:15:29.140 --> 01:15:33.720
hyphen Walden. And that will take you to the site.
1412
01:15:33.899 --> 01:15:37.020
You've got to register. But it's, you know, what, again,
1413
01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:38.060
you know, that's.
1414
01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.279
Thank you for this opportunity to talk about it.
1415
01:15:40.579 --> 01:15:40.739
Sure.
1416
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:43.880
And the fact that I want to just say personally,
1417
01:15:44.619 --> 01:15:46.149
the fact that you had me on your show to
1418
01:15:46.189 --> 01:15:48.210
be a guest, the fact that I'm doing this.
1419
01:15:48.270 --> 01:15:49.270
This is a dream to me.
1420
01:15:49.850 --> 01:15:50.550
Oh, sweet.
1421
01:15:51.109 --> 01:15:53.670
When I was taking hours like Tina Turner, let me
1422
01:15:53.710 --> 01:16:00.319
please end with this. After seven, Najee, Men Conditioned, they.
1423
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:04.239
Were telling me as I'm serving them, wow, you got it.
1424
01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:09.140
a personality, Veronica. You got. I'm like, hey, I'm working
1425
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:12.439
for y'all. I ain't thinking about this. But in my heart,
1426
01:16:12.539 --> 01:16:14.800
in my true, true dreams, I was like, yeah, I
1427
01:16:14.859 --> 01:16:15.800
never thought about it.
1428
01:16:16.100 --> 01:16:18.420
I really, I always wanted to, but I never thought
1429
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:20.819
I could. And this is the time where my dream
1430
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:24.300
could come true. And I wanted to do radio more
1431
01:16:24.340 --> 01:16:25.500
than TV, John.
1432
01:16:25.899 --> 01:16:29.840
Can I say that? Well, no, exactly. I mean, people might,
1433
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:34.340
you know, Veronica's been on enough that People who really
1434
01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:36.819
pay attention to every episode might know. But Veronica and
1435
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:39.880
I not only went to college together at Illinois State University,
1436
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:43.680
but we worked at the same professional radio station. And
1437
01:16:43.819 --> 01:16:48.659
he was a DJ on the adult contemporary radio station, WIHN,
1438
01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:50.699
down there. I don't know what their call letters are now.
1439
01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:53.899
And I also was on public radio as a freshman
1440
01:16:54.300 --> 01:16:56.050
at WGLT. There you go.
1441
01:16:56.390 --> 01:16:56.890
Absolutely.
1442
01:16:56.930 --> 01:16:59.189
So I know that's years ago, but that talent never
1443
01:16:59.229 --> 01:17:02.359
leaves you, John, now, does it? V, I tell all
1444
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.399
of our friends that did college radio and even my
1445
01:17:05.460 --> 01:17:09.699
friends that did high school radio, any of you can
1446
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:11.079
do what I currently do.
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01:17:11.420 --> 01:17:13.899
And that's not dismissive of what I do. It's knowing
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01:17:13.939 --> 01:17:15.840
how talented they are. In fact, I would like to
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01:17:15.899 --> 01:17:18.739
mention that my good friend Cam McWhorter, and this ties
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01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.760
into AI, he's on the current episode of the Wall
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01:17:21.810 --> 01:17:25.489
Street Journal. I will look up the title of the episode.
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01:17:26.149 --> 01:17:28.449
But he went to Ohio.
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01:17:28.470 --> 01:17:28.609
Awesome.
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01:17:29.100 --> 01:17:33.500
Where they're constructing the data centers for all these AIs.
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01:17:34.180 --> 01:17:37.760
And he was the reporter on scene and then was
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01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:43.569
the guest on this guy's podcast. Here, hold on one second.
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01:17:43.750 --> 01:17:47.750
It's the Wall Street Journal's podcast called The Journal. It's
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01:17:47.829 --> 01:17:51.069
everywhere where you get podcasts. It's on Spotify. And the
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01:17:51.149 --> 01:17:55.920
title of the episode is Red, White, and Who? The
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01:17:56.100 --> 01:18:02.779
Anti-AI Voters. Because, again, people are really frustrated that these
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01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:07.810
data centers are being constructed without their consent. And, you know,
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01:18:07.850 --> 01:18:10.949
it uses a lot of water and energy. And, you know,
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01:18:10.989 --> 01:18:14.050
it's the same kind of carbon footprint concerns that we
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01:18:14.090 --> 01:18:17.029
have about the environment in general. And this is from
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01:18:17.090 --> 01:18:20.989
a more technological problem. So that kind of ties in. But, yeah,
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01:18:21.369 --> 01:18:26.300
Cam's brilliant. He's written several books. And again, incredibly media savvy.
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01:18:26.340 --> 01:18:28.720
And he's one of my best friends, much like me.
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01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:32.739
And he's great. And yeah, I was really proud of him.
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01:18:32.779 --> 01:18:34.819
He sent me the link today. It's like 20 minutes,
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01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:38.520
but Cam's finger's on the button, man. He knows. He
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01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:44.829
covered Fawnie Willis in Georgia from when she indicted Trump
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01:18:46.850 --> 01:18:48.489
and to the scandal and stuff. Oh yeah, he was
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01:18:48.510 --> 01:18:52.689
there in the press audience when Fannie Willis read the
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01:18:52.710 --> 01:18:54.109
indictment against Trump and everything.
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01:18:54.529 --> 01:18:56.760
That's exciting.
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01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:00.180
Hey, Jake Caruso says screw AI and data centers. There
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01:19:00.189 --> 01:19:00.489
we go.
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01:19:01.060 --> 01:19:01.619
I'm with him.
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01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.520
I want to say that the largest and most destructive
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01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:06.439
data center is in Memphis.
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01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.359
You can hear it. I have friends in Memphis. You
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01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:14.020
can hear it when you go to Memphis.
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01:19:16.340 --> 01:19:17.090
Yeah, exactly.
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01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:17.619
It's there.
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01:19:19.250 --> 01:19:22.689
And I also want to mention another famous author who
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01:19:22.750 --> 01:19:23.380
talked about it.
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01:19:24.010 --> 01:19:26.229
It was Stephen King in Tommyknockers.
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01:19:27.590 --> 01:19:28.949
Oh, I didn't remember that. Wow.
1489
01:19:29.149 --> 01:19:32.899
Yes, Tommyknockers as well. So it's been in our culture
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01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:35.659
for years. It's time that we pay attention to it.
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01:19:36.020 --> 01:19:39.090
And I'm only thinking... I'm only thinking about the children
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01:19:39.189 --> 01:19:43.930
and our future generations. Because from what we are experiencing,
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01:19:43.970 --> 01:19:47.789
they're not catching on and being as smart about things.
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01:19:47.569 --> 01:19:48.270
As we are.
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01:19:48.750 --> 01:19:49.770
Well, they're going to have to step up.
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01:19:50.630 --> 01:19:52.489
And we have to step up to teach them. It's
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01:19:52.529 --> 01:19:54.210
not just them that have to step up to learn.
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01:19:54.529 --> 01:19:56.010
We have to continue to teach them.
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01:19:56.050 --> 01:19:59.029
Oh, no, absolutely. If they're willing to listen to us, sure.
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01:19:59.430 --> 01:20:05.659
But also, again, this is a current issue. And I
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01:20:05.699 --> 01:20:07.960
agree that it will be a problem for the generation
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01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:12.109
under us, but it's happening now. And that's another reason
1503
01:20:12.170 --> 01:20:15.590
why I was happy to talk about this amazing movie.
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01:20:15.750 --> 01:20:16.649
And point people to it.
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01:20:16.670 --> 01:20:19.449
So, yeah, look it up on the Internet Archive, everybody.
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01:20:19.550 --> 01:20:23.329
Buy its title, Colossus, The Forbidden Project. And if you
1507
01:20:23.369 --> 01:20:26.409
haven't seen it, you're going to be blown away by
1508
01:20:26.430 --> 01:20:29.810
the comparisons of what it's talking about 56 years ago.
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01:20:30.350 --> 01:20:32.189
And a lot of this shit is happening now. So
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01:20:32.229 --> 01:20:32.890
that's why we did it.
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01:20:33.529 --> 01:20:36.710
I also want to recommend going to Turner Classic Movies
1512
01:20:37.109 --> 01:20:40.489
and seeing the result from the screening with him there
1513
01:20:41.060 --> 01:20:44.539
and having him talk about the aspects of doing that
1514
01:20:44.579 --> 01:20:45.920
movie and stuff today.
1515
01:20:46.260 --> 01:20:50.939
He's still very brilliant in his talking about his portrayal
1516
01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:54.380
as this doctor. It's really interesting conversation.
1517
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:58.409
So to add all of that together and then let's
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01:20:58.789 --> 01:21:01.689
make sure we'll be able to pull the plug. And
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01:21:01.729 --> 01:21:10.689
let's make sure we can not believe that it's a self-controlled.
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01:21:08.090 --> 01:21:09.810
Kind of agency.
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01:21:10.390 --> 01:21:12.649
No, I'm with you, buddy. Here, let me see if
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01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.779
there's a final comment. Oh, thank you very much. Chica
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01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:18.279
Rose says nice coverage to both of us.
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01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:18.800
Thank you.
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01:21:18.819 --> 01:21:19.460
It's very nice.
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01:21:19.819 --> 01:21:20.739
Thank you.
1527
01:21:21.180 --> 01:21:24.739
But yeah, everybody, thanks a lot for watching. On Saturday,
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01:21:24.779 --> 01:21:27.460
I'm going to record for our Sunday conversation here on
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01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:30.600
Word Balloon. My dear friend Richard Starkings, the man behind
1530
01:21:30.619 --> 01:21:32.949
Elephant Men, He's got a brand new book that he
1531
01:21:32.989 --> 01:21:35.300
wants to talk about. So we're going to record that
1532
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:38.960
for our Sunday conversation. And I hope you'll join us
1533
01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:42.800
to watch and listen. Then Monday, there will not be
1534
01:21:42.979 --> 01:21:47.520
our usual nerd review or not Trek Watch Joe. Instead,
1535
01:21:47.699 --> 01:21:51.680
I'll be talking to the brilliant P. Craig Russell, who
1536
01:21:52.060 --> 01:21:55.590
back in the 80s used to take operas, turn them
1537
01:21:55.630 --> 01:21:58.930
into graphic novels. And the series of books were called
1538
01:21:58.989 --> 01:22:01.770
Night Music. And Craig is going back to that now.
1539
01:22:02.050 --> 01:22:05.689
He also did an amazing run at Marvel on Kill
1540
01:22:05.729 --> 01:22:10.449
Raven and a couple of very significant Doctor Strange stories.
1541
01:22:11.550 --> 01:22:13.939
So I'm really looking forward to talking to Craig. He's
1542
01:22:13.979 --> 01:22:16.489
one of my favorite artists. And really, look him up
1543
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.079
on Marvel Unlimited, folks, if you don't remember the great work.
1544
01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:21.760
Because he's always been very selective of what he's done
1545
01:22:22.220 --> 01:22:24.840
for Marvel. More of his stuff has been done on
1546
01:22:24.859 --> 01:22:27.470
the independent side. But really, one of my favorite people.
1547
01:22:27.510 --> 01:22:30.050
And I'm very excited to be talking to Craig Russell
1548
01:22:30.090 --> 01:22:35.510
next Monday. And then hopefully next week, Wes Craig is
1549
01:22:35.609 --> 01:22:40.590
currently writing an amazing DC book called Superman the Stranger.
1550
01:22:40.609 --> 01:22:43.670
And it is set in 1938, the first year that
1551
01:22:43.750 --> 01:22:46.880
Action Comics happened. And it's a retelling of the Golden
1552
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:50.819
Age Superman. And it's very different than the modern origin
1553
01:22:50.979 --> 01:22:55.510
in a great way. And two issues in. He's blown
1554
01:22:55.550 --> 01:22:58.409
me away, so I'm looking forward to talking to him. Wayne,
1555
01:22:58.449 --> 01:23:03.359
a Canadian. Wes Craig, ladies and gentlemen. From Montreal. So
1556
01:23:03.380 --> 01:23:05.239
that's coming up in the days ahead here on Word
1557
01:23:05.260 --> 01:23:08.479
Balloon Live. Thanks a lot for listening and watching. Thank you, Bea,
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01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:09.399
for co-hosting.
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01:23:09.539 --> 01:23:11.720
Way to go. I love it. I love it. We've
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01:23:11.739 --> 01:23:13.760
got to pick another movie, so we'll talk about it.
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01:23:14.649 --> 01:23:15.149
Absolutely.
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01:23:15.210 --> 01:23:15.489
All right.
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01:23:15.550 --> 01:23:26.180
Everybody stay safe, stay happy, stay healthy. Thank you.