Front-end Adventures with Bad at CSS' David East and Adam Argyle

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Welcome to Sentat!
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Welcome to a brand new episode of the front-end happy hour podcast.
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Welcome to this week's J.S. Party!
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Live from Ship Shape Studios, this is WhiskeyWeb and whatnot.
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With your hosts Robbie the Wagner and me, Charles William Carpenter the third.
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That's right Charles, we drink whiskey and talk about web development.
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I mean, it's all in the name, it's not that deep.
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This is WhiskeyWeb and whatnot.
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Do not adjust your set.
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What's up everybody?
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Welcome to WhiskeyWeb and whatnot with your kind of host, Robbie the Wagner and usually Chuck,
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but not today.
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Yeah, he might be here later, he's having some technical difficulties,
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but Adam has helped us host before, so we're set.
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So we do have two special guests today, we've got Adam Argyle and David East from the bad at CSS
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podcast.
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Yeah, do you want to tell the folks at home a little bit about who you are and what you do?
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Yeah, David, go first.
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Oh, go first.
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You're the one who runs down the intro.
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Okay, I usually just go ride the wave from your intros and so now I'm going to be like,
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so we have a bug, I don't stand, um, there's CSS in it.
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Uh, it's not good.
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It's really fun.
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Yeah, Adam and I run a podcast called the bad at CSS podcast because we deeply believe in our
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hearts, minds and souls that we're all really bad at CSS.
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Though with Adam, he's always like, oh, I'm so bad and then you look at his code and you're like,
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okay, thanks, thanks for that.
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I'm going to go ride the corner now.
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This is a mess.
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He didn't use tailwind.
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But yeah, so yeah, Adam and I've been running the bad at CSS podcast almost almost a year now.
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I don't really know.
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Uh, I don't know.
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It's been, it's been good.
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Adam, you, you do the, I, I don't do the intro thing.
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Adam, you do the interesting.
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Oh, man, David rules lots of intelligence and he's just a very multi-talented individual.
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Like, you got to check out all the work he's done of Firebase.
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He's written multiple libraries.
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He's a fantastically, he does design and he does Devon.
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He doesn't just do dev or design.
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He's like, really deep on all these things.
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Probably a little deeper than me on multiple pillars, which is kind of fun.
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I feel like I'm kind of multi-headed dragon also, but you're over there.
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You got like some deeper, bigger dragon heads on the end of your next.
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This is getting weird.
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I'm that dragon at the end.
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He's like, you know, there's like the, the strong dragons and a little one that's like,
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oh, that's how I feel at least.
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Oh, they're always the hero of the story though.
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You're going to underestimate that dragon.
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You know, it's going to show up and it's going to have superpowers in the end.
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It's just like, I had all the powers of all the dragons this whole time.
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I just looked stupid.
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Anyway, my name is Adam.
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I'm on the baddest.
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He says podcasts also.
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And we just, sometimes it's topical.
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Sometimes we have guests.
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Ultimately, it's about like empathizing with what we don't know,
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embracing what we don't know.
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And kind of the more we learn, the more we learn, we don't know.
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And it's like reveling in that fact.
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I also work on the Chrome team.
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David and I are both at Google.
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But just kind of weirdo public outward devs.
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You know, like we're devs that, yeah, he's on IDX now.
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It's just a pretty slick little code editor.
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There's a whole bunch of code editors in the cloud space right now.
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There's like a battle royale happening.
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You can get your season path.
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I don't know actually anything about battle royale.
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I don't play.
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So that sounded smart.
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And I was like, let me take that bag before.
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I'm deeply out of my element here.
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Yeah, so I do have an important question for you guys.
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And I don't know if you've covered this on the podcast
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or if it's intentional.
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But did you intentionally choose bad at CSS
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because you can't spell it without bad ass?
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No, that was a total accident.
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But it was a benefit.
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I can't lie.
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Like I told it to my wife who's very good at catching all of the things I say,
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like grunt and gulp and she's like, that's gross.
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She's just like really good.
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I'm just like two in the weeds and can't notice it.
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So I was like, yeah, we're thinking about calling it the bad at CSS podcast.
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She goes kind of sound like you said bad ass, which is kind of bad ass.
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And I was like, it is bad ass.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the name was came up with like
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where it's like, oh, you have to film what's what's it called?
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And you're like, it's it's the bad at CSS podcast.
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Yes.
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And you're like, and now it's like the band name where you're stuck with it.
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Yeah, nice.
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Yeah, so we are going to get into the CSS two.
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Well, I'll call it CSS two truths and a lie.
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We played two truths and a lie before where it's like, you say two true things about yourself
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and a lie, you have to decide which one's the lie.
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But right before we jump into that, I do want to mention we have free tickets to all things open,
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which is in Raleigh at the end of the month.
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So going to drop that link in the chat if anyone wants some tickets.
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Anyway, very cool back to the show.
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Yeah, so do you want to hit me with a couple of you ready?
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What about whiskey?
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Should we wait?
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Should we sip some whiskey or something first?
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You want to do that first?
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Okay.
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I don't know what you're going to see or y'all usually do it in the beginning.
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You know, state your tentacles and give it a little play.
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Yeah, listen, Chuck does the whiskey.
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He's not here.
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I don't know how it works.
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Yeah, we've probably watching right now.
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Just all sad.
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We have the Ketakton Creek Ragnarok Rai whiskey,
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which is a partnership with some band.
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It probably says on here.
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I mean, it seems like tenacious D.
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I don't think so.
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Does everyone have the same top?
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Yes, the top is very cool.
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Yeah.
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I'm like,
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oh yeah, yours is a little different, I think.
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So we have horns and you have like some kind of lunch.
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You've got dragon, yeah.
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Yeah, they had a bunch of different tops.
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So I'm just going to decork mine.
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I don't want to break the head.
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I don't want to break the head on it.
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Yeah, so we've got, uh, this is 92 proof.
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It's 100% rye, aged with white oak sugar maple and cherry wood
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and finished in rum casks and a certified kosher
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if you care about that annual whiskey.
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Oh, I came prepared today with like a little bit of like
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purified water to drip in there.
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Multiple glasses so I can try different styles.
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I just poured it over some peach fresca
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in case I need a tasty sip.
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Nice.
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All right, yeah, so we just give it a sniffy sniff
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and a little bit of a sip, you know, whatever comes the mind
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is totally fine and correct.
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So let us know what you think.
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Let's see.
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I do like it.
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I smell strawberry fruit by the foot.
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I taste not at all.
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Definitely some of that in there.
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Yeah.
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Maybe some habiscus.
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Ooh.
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It smells like whiskey being burritos.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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No, no, not that one.
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Oh, all right.
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It's like all your fun candy references.
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I'm like a mamba.
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You know, should we just go through 90s candies to make us happy?
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All right, let's see what tastes like.
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Ooh, does not taste like it smells.
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A lot spicier.
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It is definitely on the spicy side of the flavor profile.
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I like the way that it's like coating the outer sides of my tongue
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with this spice.
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It's kind of fun.
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I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to say.
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I'm like, it's alcohol and I have a fancy glass.
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I'm ready for my review.
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Let's have the battle.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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Imagine a whiskey that's aged in European oak casks
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that once held a rare sherry.
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The initial nose is a delicate ballet of citrus zest,
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particularly grapefruit and blood orange.
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Dancing with subtle hints of peat smoke on the palette,
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the flavors evolve into a complex tapestry,
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notes of honeyed orchard fruits like ripe pear and apricot
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or intertwined with the gentle warmth of toasted oak
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and a touch of sea salt.
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The finish is lingering and elegant,
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leaving a final impression of dried figs
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and a subtle hint of club spice.
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This is a whiskey that invites contemplation,
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a liquid poem of complexity and sophistication.
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Nice. Did you come up with that on the spot?
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Dude, just right off the dome right now.
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Yeah, just like a freestyle.
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It's totally not Gemini.
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I mean, that was not, I mean, that was me.
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Yeah.
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Nice. It was pretty well put.
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Oh, yes.
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I smell some dirt.
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Oh, no, I'm just kidding.
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I did re-like saw this guy did this whiskey review once
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and he was like, yeah, it has some dirt in it
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and I was like, because that's bad.
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And he was like, and it's good.
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And I was like, the dirt is good.
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Which dirt?
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We like the dirt, you know?
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Yeah.
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He's like, it's a nice, dirty taste.
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And I was like,
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that's what you mean by that.
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Yeah, it's dirt, you know?
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But, you know, this is actually what I think,
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I kind of wish I would have done
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because I was making a stir-up stairs.
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I wish I'd just like kind of live made
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an old fashioned with this end in my freezer.
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Yes, because you all were wondering,
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I do have cubed rocks with, yes,
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tears of the kingdom,
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logo on it from a box.
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My daughter has.
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So, yes.
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It's like dragon tears to use in your whiskey.
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That's cool.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure those ice cubes
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have been in there for six months.
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So, like, I imagine the flavor
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that's coming out of your old fashioned
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would be fantastic.
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But I actually, I would want to drink
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an old fashioned with this one
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because it has a nice spice to it.
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And I find that when you have a kind of like
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very bourbon, sugary bourbon, forward old fashioned,
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it's a little thick
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and it's a little too deserty for me
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where it's like almost like you're drinking like a port.
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Whereas this has that nice,
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rye spice to it,
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and I would greatly enjoy this in an old fashioned.
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At least I think so.
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I think that you could get a nice balance with this.
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So, that's kind of what I think is,
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if you're a person that if you go out,
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you know, in your old fashioned
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and you say like, hey, I want it with rye,
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I think this could work really well
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because the spice is definitely there.
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Yeah, you'll have to report back.
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You can make one later on and let us know.
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Yeah, with the breath of the lemon, sorry,
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the tears of the kingdom,
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cubes, that's a requirement.
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Yeah, so we do have a very complex rating system
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on this podcast.
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It is zero to eight tentacles.
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Zero is the worst you've ever had.
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Like you don't want to drink any more of it, throw it out.
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Eight is like, this is the best ever.
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Just get rid of everything else.
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In the house, only drink this.
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And a four is like middle of the road.
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Just math, I guess.
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Yeah.
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So we'll have Chuck go first.
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Perfect.
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I was, I'm here.
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Do you hear yourselves?
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Oh, yes.
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I don't boost it.
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I don't think I hear myself.
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Yeah, you are a boosted man.
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Oh, I can.
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I can drop the boom.
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Oh, there you go.
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I feel like I need you to.
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Presence is very good.
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Yes.
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I'm back.
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This episode is sponsored by Road Firmware Updates, which
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are very serious.
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OK.
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What's up now?
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Am I screaming?
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It's all here.
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Sounds great.
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OK, yeah.
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Excellent.
290
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You already talked about the whiskey and tried it out.
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We just drink it and I explain your rating system
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and you join.
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So I was like, hey, it's Chuck's turn to tell us.
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I rate this 10 out of eight, because I just got here.
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I rate the lid really high.
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You got to see the lid gets a little.
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This is pretty sick.
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OK.
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Getting Doom vibes off the label hard.
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He's got like a chainsaw, some sort of badass backpack.
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He's going through winter covered lands
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into the depths of Satan's Hell.
303
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That sounded weird.
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But anyway, it's cool.
305
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OK.
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Excellent.
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Let's see here.
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I'm going to take a little gander.
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I do like the picture.
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It's 100% what?
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Right.
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I have no idea on aging time.
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It's finished.
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So that sounds cool.
315
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Oh, so he is the whiskey guy.
316
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Yeah.
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This is the thing.
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Yeah.
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I am the whiskey guy, I guess.
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That's called alcoholism.
321
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I know it was rum finished.
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It was aged in some other stuff.
323
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It's from Virginia.
324
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So it's probably terrible.
325
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It says you have Riverside open in other tabs.
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White words.
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Chuck.
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You need to close the other ones.
329
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That might have been the echo on the OG scenario.
330
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Oh, it wasn't.
331
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I don't think so.
332
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Definitely wasn't.
333
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We had to travel before.
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It's when it's like streamer mode versus gaming mode and whether it shares the
335
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audio from your computer or not.
336
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Yeah.
337
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So that's super annoying.
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That there's not a switch, a physical switch for that.
339
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No.
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Super.
341
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Cool.
342
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All right.
343
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So I'm going to taste it.
344
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See what I think.
345
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You won't.
346
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I just put two drops of water in mind to see what that does.
347
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Hmm.
348
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Interesting.
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So I've had a catac...
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Catac...
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Catac...
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Catac...
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Catac...
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Catac...
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Catac...
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Catac...
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Catac...
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Surprisingly tasted just like hot honey.
359
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Yeah.
360
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Yeah.
361
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I've had a couple.
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This episode brought to you by Mike's Hot Honey.
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Let's on my desk right now.
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Have you had the extra hot honey yet?
365
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No.
366
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There's any extra hot also.
367
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It's a little much for me.
368
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I like the regular hot honey on some pizza though.
369
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Yeah, this is pretty easy.
370
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I think you put honey in my mind.
371
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I get a little bit of maple syrup on that.
372
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That's probably from the rum though.
373
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Influencing some sweetness there, some spice, some sweet.
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When I put the drips of water in there,
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it really brought out the kind of candied...
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The cans and flavors.
377
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Yeah.
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Candied pecans.
379
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Yeah, it really evokes fall for me in the flavors.
380
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Of course.
381
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So that's kind of cool.
382
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I'm very fair.
383
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Yes.
384
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Pumpkin spicy, worthy...
385
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But not obnoxious.
386
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Yeah.
387
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Not weird obnoxious.
388
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So it kind of did that.
389
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I like it so far.
390
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I'm probably going to give it somewhere around a six.
391
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That's my safe and like above average.
392
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I don't know, five and a half.
393
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I'm going to say for now, five and a half
394
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is where I'm going with it.
395
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Yeah.
396
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Whoever wants to go next, I don't know.
397
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I'm ready.
398
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I'm going to give it a six, which I...
399
00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:29.840
Yeah, I was prepared to do.
400
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It's yummy.
401
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I like the spice.
402
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I like the heat in my chest.
403
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I like the way that it's resting on my tongue.
404
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It doesn't feel too sweet, which I tend to dislike.
405
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If something is kind of...
406
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I don't just serpy in some way.
407
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And this is able to like get a kind of...
408
00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:46.160
Yeah, a good maple syrup kind of vibe
409
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with a lot of spice, but a nice finish.
410
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It's not gooey.
411
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I like it.
412
00:14:51.400 --> 00:14:52.400
Yeah, it's six.
413
00:14:52.400 --> 00:14:53.400
Maybe more.
414
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Six and a half.
415
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I like it.
416
00:14:55.400 --> 00:14:56.400
You could grow into it.
417
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I would agree.
418
00:14:57.400 --> 00:15:03.400
I would give it like a six, but like I was saying before you joined Chuck, is that I see
419
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this being very good for an old fashioned, because I'm a big fan of rye and old fashioned
420
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instead of bourbon, because you get yourself a really nice...
421
00:15:11.640 --> 00:15:15.240
You have that nice spice palette, whereas bourbons are already sugary, and then if you get
422
00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:20.320
like sugar, on top of sugar, it just can be little too, and it's like a port wine.
423
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This I think could really bring out like a good old fashioned drink.
424
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Like I feel like this would bring some heat with that.
425
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You need some burn with an old fashioned, and this could supply that.
426
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So I think I would give this a six, but I'm definitely going to give it a nice little
427
00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:37.480
mix.
428
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Some lighter, get some simple syrup in this bad boy, or something like this to do.
429
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Yeah.
430
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And I think it'll be good.
431
00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:43.480
You and your proper Glencarn there.
432
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Very nice.
433
00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:45.480
Yeah.
434
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That's what that's called.
435
00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:47.480
I forgot.
436
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The Glencarn.
437
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I like to refer to it as a...
438
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The Whiskey Glass.
439
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Whiskey do?
440
00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:52.480
It's a shwoop, do you know?
441
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Two of us.
442
00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:58.160
It starts to shwoop, and then it do.
443
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So I know you're into this, but you're not at the eye level, so you don't know that's
444
00:16:02.640 --> 00:16:03.640
actually what we...
445
00:16:03.640 --> 00:16:09.360
Well that's why I'm so glad to have you on, so that you can help me kind of improve my
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whiskey and drinking knowledge, so there's that.
447
00:16:12.800 --> 00:16:13.800
Well.
448
00:16:13.800 --> 00:16:15.800
I've been listening to your podcast, and I've just been...
449
00:16:15.800 --> 00:16:17.800
You've been very confused, haven't you?
450
00:16:17.800 --> 00:16:18.800
Yeah.
451
00:16:18.800 --> 00:16:19.800
I've just like, what are these terms?
452
00:16:19.800 --> 00:16:20.800
These are not what we call them.
453
00:16:20.800 --> 00:16:21.800
I don't even know that.
454
00:16:21.800 --> 00:16:22.800
I don't even know what the terms are.
455
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I do know that...
456
00:16:23.800 --> 00:16:25.800
Speaking of things, we don't know anything about.
457
00:16:25.800 --> 00:16:26.800
Yeah.
458
00:16:26.800 --> 00:16:27.800
Let's do something for the game.
459
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We're ready for the game.
460
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CSS properties.
461
00:16:29.800 --> 00:16:30.800
Well wait a minute.
462
00:16:30.800 --> 00:16:31.800
He didn't even do his rating.
463
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Did you do your rating?
464
00:16:32.800 --> 00:16:33.800
Yeah.
465
00:16:33.800 --> 00:16:34.800
Robin didn't do a rating.
466
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No.
467
00:16:35.800 --> 00:16:36.800
Oh, I didn't do mine.
468
00:16:36.800 --> 00:16:37.800
Yeah.
469
00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:38.800
I'm going to give it a five.
470
00:16:38.800 --> 00:16:39.800
It's fine.
471
00:16:39.800 --> 00:16:40.800
It's a five.
472
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Fuck it.
473
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All right.
474
00:16:42.800 --> 00:16:43.800
Yeah.
475
00:16:43.800 --> 00:16:44.800
All right.
476
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I came over the couple, and I have some good ones and some less good ones, but I want Adam
477
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to go first, because...
478
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Yeah, same.
479
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We have some good ones.
480
00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:52.800
We have some good ones.
481
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All right.
482
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So you guys have the same ones?
483
00:16:54.800 --> 00:16:55.800
Then that's just how in sync we are.
484
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Our cycles are the same, and we're...
485
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Contrarying the same quiz questions, that's just how aligned we are.
486
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We're place centered together with our display grid life.
487
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That got weird also.
488
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Yes.
489
00:17:07.800 --> 00:17:08.800
Okay.
490
00:17:08.800 --> 00:17:09.800
All right.
491
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Which of these properties is not real in CSS?
492
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Interpolate size.
493
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Text shadow offset or content visibility.
494
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I'm not kidding.
495
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Well, no content visibility is real.
496
00:17:21.800 --> 00:17:22.800
Mm-hmm.
497
00:17:22.800 --> 00:17:25.800
I'm going to say text shadow offset.
498
00:17:25.800 --> 00:17:27.800
That one does sound oddly specific.
499
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Yeah.
500
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I'm talking bullshit on that one.
501
00:17:29.800 --> 00:17:30.800
Yeah.
502
00:17:30.800 --> 00:17:32.800
Now I'll agree with that.
503
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Ding, ding, ding.
504
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You guys got it right?
505
00:17:34.800 --> 00:17:35.800
Well done.
506
00:17:35.800 --> 00:17:36.800
I'm not kidding you.
507
00:17:36.800 --> 00:17:39.800
One of mine was text shadow offset.
508
00:17:39.800 --> 00:17:40.800
Cool.
509
00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:42.800
Good thing I went first.
510
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Sucka.
511
00:17:43.800 --> 00:17:44.800
Oh my god.
512
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That was my easy one.
513
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That was my easy one.
514
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Yeah.
515
00:17:49.800 --> 00:17:50.800
Yeah.
516
00:17:50.800 --> 00:17:54.800
That's some beginner shit that I also don't know and still completely guessed on.
517
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Excellent.
518
00:17:55.800 --> 00:17:57.800
Did you sing?
519
00:17:57.800 --> 00:17:58.800
Or did you want me to go again?
520
00:17:58.800 --> 00:17:59.800
David, you up.
521
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Yeah.
522
00:18:00.800 --> 00:18:01.800
I'll go with one.
523
00:18:01.800 --> 00:18:02.800
All right.
524
00:18:02.800 --> 00:18:05.800
I'm going to go instead of property, we're going to go with values.
525
00:18:05.800 --> 00:18:06.800
Okay.
526
00:18:06.800 --> 00:18:10.800
So there is a new value ish.
527
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To us, it's new.
528
00:18:12.800 --> 00:18:13.800
To Adam is very old.
529
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It's the text wrap property.
530
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Okay.
531
00:18:18.800 --> 00:18:19.800
Mm-hmm.
532
00:18:19.800 --> 00:18:23.800
In the text wrap property, there are a few values you can provide it.
533
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Which one is the fake one?
534
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You can give text wrap wrap.
535
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No wrap.
536
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Balance.
537
00:18:30.800 --> 00:18:31.800
Even.
538
00:18:31.800 --> 00:18:32.800
Pretty.
539
00:18:32.800 --> 00:18:34.800
Or stable.
540
00:18:34.800 --> 00:18:35.800
Which one?
541
00:18:35.800 --> 00:18:36.800
It's not.
542
00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:37.800
The real one.
543
00:18:37.800 --> 00:18:39.800
I'm going to say wrap.
544
00:18:39.800 --> 00:18:41.800
Sounds too straightforward.
545
00:18:41.800 --> 00:18:43.800
I'm going to say stable.
546
00:18:43.800 --> 00:18:45.800
Stable white space.
547
00:18:45.800 --> 00:18:46.800
All right.
548
00:18:46.800 --> 00:18:47.800
Wrong.
549
00:18:47.800 --> 00:18:48.800
No.
550
00:18:48.800 --> 00:18:49.800
You want to film it?
551
00:18:49.800 --> 00:18:50.800
No.
552
00:18:50.800 --> 00:18:51.800
You want to film it on that?
553
00:18:51.800 --> 00:18:52.800
I'm hinting.
554
00:18:52.800 --> 00:18:53.800
Sure.
555
00:18:53.800 --> 00:18:54.800
Yeah.
556
00:18:54.800 --> 00:18:55.800
Throw me.
557
00:18:55.800 --> 00:18:56.800
The other one was the.
558
00:18:56.800 --> 00:18:57.800
That's the one.
559
00:18:57.800 --> 00:18:59.800
Even was the bullshit one.
560
00:18:59.800 --> 00:19:00.800
Yeah.
561
00:19:00.800 --> 00:19:02.800
It's going to add line breaks to make a block.
562
00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:06.800
Pretty is when it makes sure that there's no like orphans or widows.
563
00:19:06.800 --> 00:19:07.800
So there's no kind of cliff.
564
00:19:07.800 --> 00:19:09.800
There's no dingle berries on your paragraph.
565
00:19:09.800 --> 00:19:10.800
Mm-hmm.
566
00:19:10.800 --> 00:19:15.800
And stable is what you can add to a text box area or like a text area that you're, or a content editable thing.
567
00:19:15.800 --> 00:19:22.800
And that way, while someone's typing, it will resist and sort of do its best to maintain stability for the user
568
00:19:22.800 --> 00:19:24.800
so that while they're typing, shit isn't moving around.
569
00:19:24.800 --> 00:19:25.800
Mm-hmm.
570
00:19:25.800 --> 00:19:26.800
Interesting.
571
00:19:26.800 --> 00:19:28.800
And then wrap and no wrap are regular values for.
572
00:19:28.800 --> 00:19:29.800
Yeah.
573
00:19:29.800 --> 00:19:31.800
You do know wrap whenever you don't want it and then wrap is the opposite.
574
00:19:31.800 --> 00:19:32.800
Yeah.
575
00:19:32.800 --> 00:19:33.800
Wrap and no wrap.
576
00:19:33.800 --> 00:19:37.800
Pretty is kind of bullshit because it's just a subjective word to a degree.
577
00:19:37.800 --> 00:19:38.800
Right?
578
00:19:38.800 --> 00:19:39.800
That's totally.
579
00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:46.800
That's actually why I picked this one because I was like, they're either going to say pretty or then they're going to do what Robbie did and be like, I bet you one of the obvious ones isn't it?
580
00:19:46.800 --> 00:19:50.800
And I was like, even is one that no one's going to think is like a problem.
581
00:19:50.800 --> 00:19:52.800
They're going to like text balance even.
582
00:19:52.800 --> 00:19:53.800
That sounds right.
583
00:19:53.800 --> 00:19:54.800
Sure.
584
00:19:54.800 --> 00:19:55.800
Make it even.
585
00:19:55.800 --> 00:19:59.800
Yeah, even in stable both sound kind of similar.
586
00:19:59.800 --> 00:20:00.800
Right.
587
00:20:00.800 --> 00:20:06.800
I heard them talk about these on syntax one time, but I didn't remember the specifics.
588
00:20:06.800 --> 00:20:09.800
So I was like, I've never told it like, you know what?
589
00:20:09.800 --> 00:20:10.800
Just wrap, please.
590
00:20:10.800 --> 00:20:13.800
Like, I feel like I've done like, what is it?
591
00:20:13.800 --> 00:20:18.800
Like word, word break or like for like the other wrap property.
592
00:20:18.800 --> 00:20:20.800
Oh, there's so much to look up.
593
00:20:20.800 --> 00:20:24.800
So you can end up with like the little ellipses at different times or whatever.
594
00:20:24.800 --> 00:20:25.800
I don't know.
595
00:20:25.800 --> 00:20:26.800
Isn't that what?
596
00:20:26.800 --> 00:20:28.800
Well, like a like a dash.
597
00:20:28.800 --> 00:20:35.800
But then yeah, the the truncate thing, like the truncate lines thing that you can't do without like CSS properties that are like deprecated.
598
00:20:35.800 --> 00:20:37.800
I forget what they are, but it's like.
599
00:20:37.800 --> 00:20:38.800
Yeah, that's line plan.
600
00:20:38.800 --> 00:20:41.800
You write them in red and it's like, don't do that.
601
00:20:41.800 --> 00:20:43.800
Because you have to make it, you can't do it on a div.
602
00:20:43.800 --> 00:20:46.800
You have to do it on a text node or a paragraph.
603
00:20:46.800 --> 00:20:51.800
It's webkit box overflow hidden text overflow ellipses.
604
00:20:51.800 --> 00:20:58.800
It's like this combo of junk that and it also is like kind of become gradient text where it has to be in a specific order.
605
00:20:58.800 --> 00:21:02.800
There's actually a couple of scenarios on the web where order of your properties matter.
606
00:21:02.800 --> 00:21:07.800
Because it's looking for a specific old piece of bullshit that people have been writing for 20 years.
607
00:21:07.800 --> 00:21:15.800
And it makes sure that if it recognizes that chunk of junk, the chunk of junk that it renders it as people have expected for all these years.
608
00:21:15.800 --> 00:21:16.800
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
609
00:21:16.800 --> 00:21:17.800
Line plan is coming out though.
610
00:21:17.800 --> 00:21:24.800
And that is you can literally say line dash clamp one and it will clamp the paragraph to one line and ellips on the end.
611
00:21:24.800 --> 00:21:28.800
One property, easy values and you can even do height.
612
00:21:28.800 --> 00:21:33.800
So you could say the height is 200 pixels and will automatically find how many lines can go in there and ellips the last one.
613
00:21:33.800 --> 00:21:34.800
So it's about to be easy.
614
00:21:34.800 --> 00:21:36.800
We're about to escape that 20-year-old.
615
00:21:36.800 --> 00:21:37.800
Well, that's nice.
616
00:21:37.800 --> 00:21:38.800
20-year-old turd.
617
00:21:38.800 --> 00:21:39.800
Yeah.
618
00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:40.800
Turd.
619
00:21:40.800 --> 00:21:43.800
Well, when do we get to escape that turd?
620
00:21:43.800 --> 00:21:45.800
Next time I actually have to do that, hopefully.
621
00:21:45.800 --> 00:21:46.800
Hopefully.
622
00:21:46.800 --> 00:21:47.800
Oh, yeah.
623
00:21:47.800 --> 00:21:48.800
Or make a progressive enhancement.
624
00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:49.800
Yeah, I'm something about that.
625
00:21:49.800 --> 00:21:52.800
I'm going to have to go get my son who just woke up.
626
00:21:52.800 --> 00:21:56.800
So we're going to do the next five minutes or so without me.
627
00:21:56.800 --> 00:21:58.800
We'll just keep going in and out.
628
00:21:58.800 --> 00:21:59.800
I'm going to jump in and I will.
629
00:21:59.800 --> 00:22:00.800
Without me.
630
00:22:00.800 --> 00:22:01.800
Yeah.
631
00:22:01.800 --> 00:22:02.800
So we are being here.
632
00:22:02.800 --> 00:22:03.800
It's like a musical chairs.
633
00:22:03.800 --> 00:22:05.800
Yeah, we just jump in and out of all episodes.
634
00:22:05.800 --> 00:22:07.800
You didn't realize that.
635
00:22:07.800 --> 00:22:11.800
We actually don't tend to do too many of them completely together.
636
00:22:11.800 --> 00:22:16.800
It's because we haven't gotten along in years and it's just awkward, but we keep this thing going.
637
00:22:16.800 --> 00:22:18.800
I don't know.
638
00:22:18.800 --> 00:22:25.800
I tried to steal Adam to replace him and then Robbie's like, I know what you're doing.
639
00:22:25.800 --> 00:22:28.800
I don't like this.
640
00:22:28.800 --> 00:22:34.800
So quiz things we can do a couple of hot takes so we can...
641
00:22:34.800 --> 00:22:37.800
I'm impressed that the cap is actually metal.
642
00:22:37.800 --> 00:22:39.800
I thought it was going to be 3D printed or waxy.
643
00:22:39.800 --> 00:22:40.800
Oh, yeah.
644
00:22:40.800 --> 00:22:42.800
So I was like gentle with it earlier, but no, it's heavy.
645
00:22:42.800 --> 00:22:43.800
No, no, it's like red.
646
00:22:43.800 --> 00:22:45.800
It's like they poured lead in like a real mold.
647
00:22:45.800 --> 00:22:46.800
It's super cool.
648
00:22:46.800 --> 00:22:47.800
Yeah, yeah.
649
00:22:47.800 --> 00:22:50.800
As far as this bottle goes, are you a guar fan?
650
00:22:50.800 --> 00:22:52.800
I mean, I like watching them on YouTube.
651
00:22:52.800 --> 00:22:53.800
I don't know if I'd go.
652
00:22:53.800 --> 00:22:55.800
I'm a fan from afar.
653
00:22:55.800 --> 00:22:56.800
Right.
654
00:22:57.800 --> 00:22:58.800
I don't want to get sprayed.
655
00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:02.800
I'm too big a whisk to actually go and get covered in whatever it is they're spraying on people.
656
00:23:02.800 --> 00:23:03.800
That's true.
657
00:23:03.800 --> 00:23:09.800
Well, I just don't do concerts really anymore because they all start too late for me.
658
00:23:09.800 --> 00:23:13.800
And then beyond that, then the headliners coming on much later.
659
00:23:13.800 --> 00:23:14.800
So it's like doors open at seven.
660
00:23:14.800 --> 00:23:16.800
Nobody comes on until 8.30.
661
00:23:16.800 --> 00:23:20.800
Now you see the first couple of people and then your headliners coming on at 11.
662
00:23:20.800 --> 00:23:21.800
I'm well past bedtime.
663
00:23:21.800 --> 00:23:23.800
I just can't fuck with that anymore.
664
00:23:23.800 --> 00:23:27.800
I just got back from Argentina like literally two days ago.
665
00:23:27.800 --> 00:23:28.800
Love Argentina.
666
00:23:28.800 --> 00:23:29.800
Love Argentina.
667
00:23:29.800 --> 00:23:30.800
It looks so sweet.
668
00:23:30.800 --> 00:23:31.800
That event looked awesome.
669
00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:32.800
There was.
670
00:23:32.800 --> 00:23:33.800
I'm so jealous.
671
00:23:33.800 --> 00:23:34.800
It was awesome.
672
00:23:34.800 --> 00:23:35.800
I speak Argentine Spanish.
673
00:23:35.800 --> 00:23:36.800
Oh nice.
674
00:23:36.800 --> 00:23:37.800
Well, it's a big country.
675
00:23:37.800 --> 00:23:40.800
So I speak a portenio Spanish.
676
00:23:40.800 --> 00:23:42.800
Real plathense.
677
00:23:42.800 --> 00:23:45.800
But I am still very much a gringo.
678
00:23:45.800 --> 00:23:50.800
Or as they would say, a shanky because they were like, yeah, we're going to do dinner at like 10.
679
00:23:50.800 --> 00:23:54.800
Because the food is going to be available at 10.
680
00:23:54.800 --> 00:23:57.800
Because before then, we wouldn't eat because that would be.
681
00:23:57.800 --> 00:24:00.800
And then you got to go do a full assado, right?
682
00:24:00.800 --> 00:24:01.800
Did you do?
683
00:24:01.800 --> 00:24:02.800
Yes.
684
00:24:02.800 --> 00:24:03.800
Yeah, okay.
685
00:24:03.800 --> 00:24:05.800
And I was always the one that would give the sweet breads to.
686
00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:06.800
I would have to tell them.
687
00:24:06.800 --> 00:24:08.800
Moe who goes so.
688
00:24:08.800 --> 00:24:09.800
Because.
689
00:24:09.800 --> 00:24:13.800
Yeah, because they have amazing meat that they cook well done though.
690
00:24:13.800 --> 00:24:14.800
And I'm like.
691
00:24:14.800 --> 00:24:15.800
Yes, they do.
692
00:24:15.800 --> 00:24:16.800
Moe who goes so.
693
00:24:16.800 --> 00:24:17.800
It's very good.
694
00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:18.800
It's incredible.
695
00:24:18.800 --> 00:24:19.800
It's inexpensive.
696
00:24:19.800 --> 00:24:20.800
Yeah.
697
00:24:20.800 --> 00:24:24.800
I used to go down there all the time for work when I was with Nat Geo.
698
00:24:24.800 --> 00:24:25.800
Oh, yeah.
699
00:24:25.800 --> 00:24:26.800
With near short times.
700
00:24:26.800 --> 00:24:27.800
And.
701
00:24:27.800 --> 00:24:28.800
It is.
702
00:24:28.800 --> 00:24:31.800
It's like they're like the country of like crazy wildlife.
703
00:24:31.800 --> 00:24:34.800
You got Tierra del Fuego, Patagonia.
704
00:24:34.800 --> 00:24:35.800
Yeah.
705
00:24:35.800 --> 00:24:37.800
With Agangagua, Isago Falls.
706
00:24:37.800 --> 00:24:38.800
It's like a massive.
707
00:24:38.800 --> 00:24:39.800
Yeah, yeah.
708
00:24:39.800 --> 00:24:40.800
That's out of the fall.
709
00:24:40.800 --> 00:24:41.800
The fall.
710
00:24:41.800 --> 00:24:44.800
Did you have a lot of Fernet Concoco?
711
00:24:44.800 --> 00:24:45.800
Yes.
712
00:24:45.800 --> 00:24:46.800
I mean, you have to.
713
00:24:46.800 --> 00:24:47.800
One must.
714
00:24:47.800 --> 00:24:53.800
We work in downtown Buenos Aires right next to the Obelizco, which looks just like the Washington
715
00:24:53.800 --> 00:24:57.800
Monument, which everybody from the United States, like what is the Washington Monument doing
716
00:24:57.800 --> 00:24:58.800
here?
717
00:24:58.800 --> 00:24:59.800
But it's the Obelizco.
718
00:24:59.800 --> 00:25:00.800
Turns out we didn't invent those.
719
00:25:00.800 --> 00:25:01.800
Did you know that?
720
00:25:01.800 --> 00:25:04.800
But the United States of America didn't invent the Obelizco.
721
00:25:04.800 --> 00:25:05.800
I don't.
722
00:25:05.800 --> 00:25:06.800
I don't think it's true actually.
723
00:25:06.800 --> 00:25:07.800
I think George Washington did.
724
00:25:07.800 --> 00:25:08.800
Yeah, you did.
725
00:25:08.800 --> 00:25:10.800
So he built his own monument before dying.
726
00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:11.800
That's what you like.
727
00:25:11.800 --> 00:25:12.800
I've got this.
728
00:25:12.800 --> 00:25:13.800
I was there.
729
00:25:13.800 --> 00:25:14.800
Yeah.
730
00:25:14.800 --> 00:25:15.800
Yeah.
731
00:25:15.800 --> 00:25:17.800
And if brick by brick, good old George.
732
00:25:17.800 --> 00:25:18.800
Good old George.
733
00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:19.800
That's how he died.
734
00:25:19.800 --> 00:25:20.800
Jorge.
735
00:25:20.800 --> 00:25:21.800
In the rain.
736
00:25:21.800 --> 00:25:22.800
Jorge.
737
00:25:22.800 --> 00:25:23.800
Yeah.
738
00:25:23.800 --> 00:25:24.800
Yeah.
739
00:25:24.800 --> 00:25:26.800
Because they commonly call him there.
740
00:25:26.800 --> 00:25:27.800
Yeah.
741
00:25:27.800 --> 00:25:29.800
We were like on the 30s, some out of the floor.
742
00:25:29.800 --> 00:25:30.800
This we work.
743
00:25:30.800 --> 00:25:36.600
And Buenos Aires is like the New York City of South America and just huge, huge city, super
744
00:25:36.600 --> 00:25:39.520
like late, like city never sleeps.
745
00:25:39.520 --> 00:25:44.040
And I had to have like a Fernet Concoco because you're like staring out at this like complete
746
00:25:44.040 --> 00:25:48.160
panorama, like sailing to four windows of the city.
747
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.240
And like I'm just like face against the glass, like walking around and everyone's trying
748
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.400
to talk to me and I'm like, oh, I gotta look at this.
749
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.400
It's so pretty cool.
750
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:55.400
Yeah.
751
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:56.400
I'm like, check this out.
752
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:57.400
Have a beverage.
753
00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:58.400
Yeah.
754
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:04.080
And then yeah, then did a sail went to a Parisia, did all the, all of the good Argentine,
755
00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:05.080
yeah.
756
00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:06.080
Argentinian.
757
00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:11.080
Argentinian is how you describe the culture in Argentine or in Arquanto is the person
758
00:26:11.080 --> 00:26:12.080
from Argentina.
759
00:26:12.080 --> 00:26:13.080
Yeah.
760
00:26:13.080 --> 00:26:14.680
Or you can say someone sent Arquanto.
761
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:15.680
You are quite.
762
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.680
You're like a galcho.
763
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.680
Oh, definitely not a galcho.
764
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:20.680
No.
765
00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:26.040
You need that beret and you carry a knife for your meat and I get, I sleep, I have a sleep
766
00:26:26.040 --> 00:26:27.040
eight bed.
767
00:26:27.040 --> 00:26:32.280
Do you, do you think I'm sleeping outside, making your own like coffee on the thing with
768
00:26:32.280 --> 00:26:33.280
a knife?
769
00:26:33.280 --> 00:26:34.280
I don't.
770
00:26:34.280 --> 00:26:35.280
I don't know.
771
00:26:35.280 --> 00:26:36.280
I had on the wet, not them.
772
00:26:36.280 --> 00:26:41.320
So I know what we can get into because I'm all about like, I like the outdoors, but I
773
00:26:41.320 --> 00:26:45.080
don't understand people who camp and that's, and if they don't have to, because they like
774
00:26:45.080 --> 00:26:46.080
create.
775
00:26:46.080 --> 00:26:47.080
Robert, I was just talking about this before.
776
00:26:47.080 --> 00:26:48.080
Yeah.
777
00:26:48.080 --> 00:26:49.080
Yeah.
778
00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:51.400
You create a vacation where you have to go do a bunch of work.
779
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:52.400
You don't have like a tent.
780
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.400
Yes.
781
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:54.400
You have to make your own tacos.
782
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:55.400
You're very against that.
783
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:56.400
Yeah.
784
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.400
Well, fajitas are assembly.
785
00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:58.400
Yeah.
786
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:02.640
So you could see if like I'm on vacation, I don't want to put my bed together and make
787
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.720
sure like, you know, bugs don't eat me and a bear is definitely going to get me in
788
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:07.720
there, right?
789
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:12.160
If I'm in a cabin, bear can't get in a cabin or at least a much better chance that it's
790
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.480
not going to happen.
791
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:14.960
So yeah, I'm with you.
792
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:19.880
I'm like, yeah, we go out, enjoy the outdoors and then go back and have a nice cozy place
793
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:20.880
to sleep.
794
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:25.600
Have a little glass of wine around a fire that, you know, the resort put together for
795
00:27:25.600 --> 00:27:26.600
you.
796
00:27:26.600 --> 00:27:27.600
I don't know.
797
00:27:27.600 --> 00:27:31.240
I, some of the best sleep I've ever had was laying on the ground in the middle of the
798
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:36.280
woods while you're just completely exhausted and then you get woken up by a random noise
799
00:27:36.280 --> 00:27:39.560
and then you're like, you know what, I'm so tired.
800
00:27:39.560 --> 00:27:41.720
If it gets me, that's just it.
801
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:42.720
It deserved me.
802
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:43.720
It got me.
803
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.360
It waited, it prayed and that's just the sickle.
804
00:27:46.360 --> 00:27:47.360
Your life.
805
00:27:47.360 --> 00:27:49.240
I just instincts are a little off.
806
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.240
I think.
807
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:51.440
No, that was just me.
808
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:55.000
That was so tired that you're just like, you know, accepting that that's, that would
809
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:56.000
just be it.
810
00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:01.020
And so I camped a lot in my younger days and I agree with you.
811
00:28:01.020 --> 00:28:04.320
Like if I had to go camp now or take my children to go camping, they would, they would
812
00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:06.600
not be able to ignore what I would be able to.
813
00:28:06.600 --> 00:28:11.440
It would all be like fuzzy memory where you'd be like, I think that goes over there and
814
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.400
you'd have to be like the dad pretending like you know what you're doing, but you're
815
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.400
like, that's what we all do.
816
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:16.400
We're doing it.
817
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:17.400
We're doing it.
818
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.000
We're all pretending anyway.
819
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.240
And you always think you can fix the things too.
820
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:25.040
You're like, you know, kid brings you a toy and they're like, daddy, fix it.
821
00:28:25.040 --> 00:28:29.760
Like, all right, let me go out in the garage and see if I can tinker around here, put
822
00:28:29.760 --> 00:28:32.480
some glue on something, make it work.
823
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:33.480
Yeah.
824
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.480
Not me.
825
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.480
I get a toy and I see it's broken and I'm like, it's like I'm buying a new one.
826
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:38.480
Yeah.
827
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.480
Listen and listen.
828
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:40.480
Yeah, the store will sell us another one.
829
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:45.960
Unless that's got a grid blowout, I'm probably not going to be able to help with this one.
830
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:46.960
Okay.
831
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.280
Fair enough, fair enough.
832
00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:50.840
Did we talk hot takes it all?
833
00:28:50.840 --> 00:28:51.840
We didn't.
834
00:28:51.840 --> 00:28:52.840
No.
835
00:28:52.840 --> 00:28:57.640
We started talking about Argentina and then went down that path, Rossing, Rossing on my headphones
836
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.480
went gone for a second and then they came back.
837
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.080
They were like, I'm upset.
838
00:29:02.080 --> 00:29:03.080
No, I'm okay.
839
00:29:03.080 --> 00:29:04.520
I don't know.
840
00:29:04.520 --> 00:29:07.720
You know what else was gone for a second, but then came back?
841
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:08.720
Joe Mama.
842
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:09.720
JQuery.
843
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:10.720
Rails.
844
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:11.720
Rails.
845
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:12.720
Oh, Rails.
846
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:13.720
PHP.
847
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:14.720
PHP went away.
848
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:15.720
Somehow it's back now.
849
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:16.720
It's back now.
850
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:17.720
First hot take.
851
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:18.720
Yeah.
852
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.720
Rails or Laravel?
853
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:26.040
I'm going to go Laravel because I once had a job interview where they told me I was going
854
00:29:26.040 --> 00:29:30.600
to be building UI, front end development, CSS, JavaScript, and then I had to write all
855
00:29:30.600 --> 00:29:35.480
this fricking Ruby in the job interview and none of it was JavaScript at all, not a bit
856
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:36.480
of it.
857
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.680
I'm literally looking at them and then they're looking back at me like, and I'm like,
858
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:46.240
I'm like, you said we talked about styling a website in the last one and this one's got
859
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:51.680
Ruby and now we've got to write a sorting algorithm that connects out to this AWS bucket
860
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:58.400
through this Rails thing and it was like the most embarrassing interview I've ever had
861
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:02.680
where the guy felt so bad for me that he kind of started talking me through the answer
862
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:07.240
because I think he didn't want that like dead air of like this guy doesn't know what's
863
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:08.240
going on.
864
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.240
And so he was literally like, oh, yeah, you know what it is.
865
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.720
He was like, and I remember he was trying to talk about like the sorting algorithm.
866
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:20.360
He said that one would be J to the K and then K goes to the K and I was literally like,
867
00:30:20.360 --> 00:30:21.360
so good.
868
00:30:21.840 --> 00:30:23.840
Where's the door of which I leave?
869
00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:24.840
I just say no.
870
00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:28.480
Like if someone asked me to do a thing and they're not like, like, I've been writing
871
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.120
from in for so long, there's no way I do not need a sorting algorithm.
872
00:30:32.120 --> 00:30:34.400
If I do, I NPM install sorting algorithms.
873
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:41.640
So like, even though I admire Ruby, I admire Rails in a lot of ways and I've emulated
874
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.400
multiple parts of their stack, especially actor record seems to be one of their most
875
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.600
famous and well applied computer science concepts for data.
876
00:30:48.840 --> 00:30:52.720
I choose PHP because the last time I was writing it, I think it was like four or five.
877
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.400
And I was making classes and I was starting to explore it as a bigger language than I
878
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.520
was capable of at the time.
879
00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:01.280
And then I haven't touched it since.
880
00:31:01.280 --> 00:31:03.600
But I remember a lot of it, just the language itself.
881
00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:06.640
And so I feel like if I was to go into the air veil, I'd feel a little bit more at home
882
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.760
and I'd be excited about what PHP is offering now.
883
00:31:10.760 --> 00:31:14.560
And I would sort of be like a kid in a candy shop and then flux looks cool.
884
00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:18.080
So I definitely give Caleb Porzio's UI library a shot.
885
00:31:18.080 --> 00:31:21.360
It's a stack I'd like to poke.
886
00:31:21.360 --> 00:31:26.240
Now that you've both said PHP, let me announce our special secret guest, DHH, joining us
887
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:27.240
right now.
888
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.960
I don't think he'd have any shade about that though.
889
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:35.320
I think like, you know, it's another bro within the Java kind of guy.
890
00:31:35.320 --> 00:31:36.320
He's a craft.
891
00:31:36.320 --> 00:31:38.360
He's like, look, anybody can make a cool website.
892
00:31:38.360 --> 00:31:42.320
The stack isn't as important as someone understanding their tools and being passionate
893
00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:45.000
and spending the time to finesse the corners.
894
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:46.000
Yeah.
895
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.000
Yeah.
896
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:48.000
Exactly.
897
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:56.360
I think it follows a lot of his like ideologies around operating fast and not solving problems
898
00:31:56.360 --> 00:31:59.800
until you're actually faced with them and you have some success, right?
899
00:31:59.800 --> 00:32:00.800
Yeah.
900
00:32:00.800 --> 00:32:04.080
Instead of like front loading scaling issues that may never occur.
901
00:32:04.080 --> 00:32:05.080
Yeah.
902
00:32:05.080 --> 00:32:06.080
That's never done well for me.
903
00:32:06.080 --> 00:32:08.680
It's one of those things that feels so good to do.
904
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.080
You're like, I'm going to solve a problem before I have it.
905
00:32:11.080 --> 00:32:14.680
I'm just going to go ahead and stay on the shoulders of giants and trust that this entire
906
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.600
thing is going to work for my case.
907
00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:23.280
And I'm just going to jump ahead to as if this thing is going to make a tron hosting provider.
908
00:32:23.280 --> 00:32:26.480
And then all you do is you're just like, why are there so many abstractions?
909
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.440
I just want to solve the problems you have.
910
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.320
I think that's the best tip and to get something quickly, especially.
911
00:32:32.320 --> 00:32:36.000
So it sounds like you're being nice about both of those things though.
912
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.920
So rails are a layer of L.
913
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.840
This just in whiskey.fund is now open for all your merch needs.
914
00:32:43.840 --> 00:32:44.840
That's right, Robbie.
915
00:32:44.840 --> 00:32:50.760
We're hearing reports of hats, sweaters and t-shirts, as well as a link to join our discord
916
00:32:50.760 --> 00:32:52.160
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917
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.520
What's a discord server?
918
00:32:54.520 --> 00:32:56.040
Just read the prompt, or man.
919
00:32:56.040 --> 00:32:59.960
Hit subscribe, leave us a review on your favorite podcast app and tell your friends about
920
00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:00.960
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921
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.720
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922
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:11.160
All right, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
923
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.160
This is a funny one though, Robbie, I guess.
924
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:22.440
So when, yeah, when coding, cursor or pair AI, oh, no, man, you're talking to the wrong
925
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:23.440
one, man.
926
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:24.440
He's got an extra on, bro.
927
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:28.080
Yeah, I'm going to tell you what works for a code editor.
928
00:33:28.080 --> 00:33:29.080
This is what I mean though.
929
00:33:29.080 --> 00:33:33.560
There's a battle royal happening in this terms of like AI enhanced code editors, especially
930
00:33:33.560 --> 00:33:36.720
those built on VS code, there's a bunch.
931
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.360
Here's my little hot take then.
932
00:33:38.360 --> 00:33:46.080
So IDX is a IDX.dev for anyone listening is code editor through Google and it does AI
933
00:33:46.080 --> 00:33:47.080
stuff.
934
00:33:47.080 --> 00:33:48.080
Sure.
935
00:33:48.080 --> 00:33:49.080
Yes.
936
00:33:49.080 --> 00:33:50.080
I like AI stuff.
937
00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:51.080
I do lots of AI stuff.
938
00:33:51.080 --> 00:33:55.760
But one of the things that I think is most interesting about this, the sky red here is
939
00:33:55.760 --> 00:34:01.040
actually one little file that we ship with all of our workspaces.
940
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.880
Like when I first started working at one job, they gave us a 60 page document to set up
941
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:07.880
our work machine.
942
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:08.880
And the beautiful thing.
943
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:09.880
It was a week.
944
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:10.880
It was a week of time, right?
945
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.880
Yeah.
946
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:12.880
You had a week to set up a dev in.
947
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:13.880
Sure.
948
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.880
No, it was like a whole life because what happened that happening was is you had to set
949
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.960
up all these dev machines, run all these installers and like nothing ever worked.
950
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:26.600
So then you would have to go and update the doc and then say, hey, like now now it works
951
00:34:26.600 --> 00:34:27.600
this way.
952
00:34:27.600 --> 00:34:30.800
So the next person who comes along, they're better off from you.
953
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:36.960
But the problem was is that here are X amount of developers all setting up a machine at
954
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:40.400
different points in time through basically different instructions.
955
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.240
And then we're all supposed to work on the same project.
956
00:34:42.240 --> 00:34:43.880
Like that did not go very well.
957
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:47.360
So like every single time we would do anything, I'd be at someone's desk and be like, I get
958
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.320
this error and they're like, no, I don't have that error.
959
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:55.200
And our entire dev environment was completely different at all points in time.
960
00:34:55.200 --> 00:35:00.920
So with IDX, one of the things we do is we have, we based our whole system off of Nix.
961
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:07.520
Like NixOS is an open source system that basically there are three tenences, reproducibility,
962
00:35:07.520 --> 00:35:10.320
immutability and declarative, I think.
963
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:16.760
And so within there, there's a whole system where you say like, I want Python 3.13.
964
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:18.000
I want Node 20.
965
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.000
I want this one.
966
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.000
I want that.
967
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.800
And you declare it in a file and then it builds it.
968
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.520
And then everything is so immutable and declarative that when you rebuild your environment, we actually
969
00:35:27.520 --> 00:35:30.040
wipe your whole project partition clean.
970
00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:33.080
And then we just rebuild and re put, like throw everything down on there.
971
00:35:33.080 --> 00:35:37.880
So it's basically like a new function, immutable function call as an environment.
972
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.400
And so anyone who has that file is like up to go.
973
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:43.880
And I didn't know, I'm, this is past five for me by the way.
974
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:48.280
So I didn't think I would be doing like a work pitch, drinking whiskey.
975
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:54.200
But to me, what my hot take is is that I think that with this whole resurgence of AI editors,
976
00:35:54.200 --> 00:35:56.800
that we do focus a whole lot on AI.
977
00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:02.200
But AI is like takes you far from resources of potential to like be your co-pilot and
978
00:36:02.200 --> 00:36:05.400
like work alongside you and help you with these plans.
979
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:10.440
But like there's still so much work involved in like making sure like the foundation work
980
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.640
that I don't think can be sort of forgotten about like just getting something spun up on
981
00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:19.040
a local machine, like how many times have you been like, I want to try out that thing.
982
00:36:19.040 --> 00:36:23.960
And you don't because you're like, okay, well, my version of this thing is different.
983
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.000
And I need that to be the same for this other project to work in a machine.
984
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.000
And I am not installing a version manager.
985
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:34.320
And I, okay, you know what, I'm just going to, no, see, that's the thing that's beautiful
986
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.320
about you, it's like this, you don't need a version manager.
987
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.760
You literally can create a new machine or rebuild or something like that.
988
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.680
And then that's the last tooling, less overhead, less concept on the machine.
989
00:36:44.680 --> 00:36:47.200
But then it's using a version manager.
990
00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:50.480
It is actually using a versioned registry.
991
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:55.840
So the way Nix works is not just a operating system, but Nix also, this is something that
992
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:59.360
took me like the longest time to understand everything with Nix.
993
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.080
And it's not like the longest time to understand because it's hard.
994
00:37:02.080 --> 00:37:05.920
It's because like, you know, it's one of those things you refuse to understand despite
995
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:07.800
the amount of time people tell you this.
996
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.360
So like with NPM, you can publish a package package as a version.
997
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.480
And then those packages granularly update.
998
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.360
But NPM is a registry.
999
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:18.720
Imagine if NPM was a versioned registry itself.
1000
00:37:18.720 --> 00:37:21.920
And once you publish a package to that registry, that was it.
1001
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:26.680
And then you had to wait for another version of a registry, of NPM to come out for you
1002
00:37:26.680 --> 00:37:28.480
to publish your package version.
1003
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:35.840
So the benefit there is is that if you pin your registry into a Nix registry, you're
1004
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.840
basically saying, I can guarantee for everyone on my team that if you state this package
1005
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.320
name, you will get this package version.
1006
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.280
It's no like, oh, I pulled this down and it's some like, oh, this had a peer dependency
1007
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:47.280
of this and this had that.
1008
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.800
And you get the cascading madness with dependencies at times with Nix.
1009
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:52.800
It's not that way.
1010
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.120
It's the each version of the registry.
1011
00:37:55.120 --> 00:38:00.280
So that way, you don't need version management tools, you just say, we talk to Nix version
1012
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.440
23.11 or whatever.
1013
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:06.840
So is this kind of like a container level registry then?
1014
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:12.240
So you kind of like think about a container, each container version has its own registry
1015
00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:13.240
version.
1016
00:38:13.240 --> 00:38:17.680
And so just everything comes with that like environment version to a degree.
1017
00:38:17.680 --> 00:38:19.040
You could think about it that way.
1018
00:38:19.040 --> 00:38:22.600
Nix is very different than, honestly, very different, but he's not containers.
1019
00:38:22.600 --> 00:38:26.000
The way actually, and I get this question a lot because you have like, get up code spaces
1020
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.680
that uses dev containers and then we use Nix.
1021
00:38:28.680 --> 00:38:30.480
And so people are kind of like, what's the difference?
1022
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.080
And then I actually, I'd answer this question like the other, actually when I was in Argentina
1023
00:38:34.080 --> 00:38:36.800
and I did like a really bad job of answering it.
1024
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:42.040
I was kind of like, you know, you got like a thing over here and that is got that thing.
1025
00:38:42.040 --> 00:38:47.520
And then you got this one over here and it doesn't and everyone's like, okay.
1026
00:38:47.520 --> 00:38:51.120
And so I had this engineer who was like, you know, like he, he explained this to me and
1027
00:38:51.120 --> 00:38:56.800
he was like, think about dev containers like node modules or like containers in general,
1028
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:57.800
like node modules.
1029
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.840
He's really taking the gigabytes of files and you're saying like, let's put them all
1030
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.400
down on this big thing, the container.
1031
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:05.960
And so it's gigabytes or however, however.
1032
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.200
And then you can take that and you can move it wherever you want.
1033
00:39:08.200 --> 00:39:12.760
And then it's nice shrink wraps ready to go where it gets plugged into its spot.
1034
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:13.880
That's like the benefit of containers.
1035
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.880
You can really say, hey, we put everything in here.
1036
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.760
With Nix, you're a Nix file.
1037
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.960
In our case, we have our own abstraction called dev.nix.
1038
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.560
That is like package JSON.
1039
00:39:24.560 --> 00:39:27.120
It does not contain all your dependencies and everything like that.
1040
00:39:27.120 --> 00:39:32.360
It's just the declarative, like I want node 20, I want Python, whatever.
1041
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:33.360
I want Postgres.
1042
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:37.720
I want Docker because you can even manage Docker within Nix.
1043
00:39:37.720 --> 00:39:44.200
From there, you're basically just saying, hey, when you run this whole Nix build environment,
1044
00:39:44.200 --> 00:39:48.360
pull from this registry version, just like I'd pull, do an MPM install and then now it's
1045
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:51.880
build this immutable declarative, reproducible environment for everyone.
1046
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:56.840
But I didn't have to bring all of the, you know, the big containers over with me.
1047
00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.840
I didn't have to put everything into the container all at once.
1048
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:07.120
So can I fork this and then get a bunch of funding to build the same thing?
1049
00:40:07.120 --> 00:40:08.520
I don't know why you should mention that.
1050
00:40:08.520 --> 00:40:09.520
It's ours now.
1051
00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:10.520
That's right.
1052
00:40:10.520 --> 00:40:11.520
We could try.
1053
00:40:11.520 --> 00:40:13.720
We're both a little old, though.
1054
00:40:13.720 --> 00:40:16.720
You know, we're not, yeah, I see demographic ending more.
1055
00:40:16.720 --> 00:40:20.080
So, you know, this episode is brought to you by a Y combinator.
1056
00:40:20.080 --> 00:40:21.080
I will say.
1057
00:40:21.080 --> 00:40:23.320
We'll give you money for any fucking thing.
1058
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.680
Not really forking something.
1059
00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:26.920
It's not easy.
1060
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:31.280
I, I remember so many times in my career where like you have a fork as something and then
1061
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.480
you just can't get it synced and then you can't look at the code you have in your fork
1062
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:41.080
and then you do that way of like how much is in this fork is worth doing all of the
1063
00:40:41.080 --> 00:40:47.920
git magic and gymnastics I need to do to get it into main versus just like stashing these
1064
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.880
files somewhere and then then just applying like, oh, I repolled the fork and applied.
1065
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:53.880
Oh, no.
1066
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:54.880
Who saw that?
1067
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:56.880
So, forking is, forking's hard.
1068
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:01.000
It's probably his favorite way to deal with merge complexes to just change his change.
1069
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.000
Yeah.
1070
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:03.000
Anytime there's like more than one thing.
1071
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:04.000
Yeah.
1072
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.000
I'm just like, nope.
1073
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:10.000
I'm going to like copy everything I changed, just reset it the main and like, just apply
1074
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.960
it all again because yeah, it's just not worth it.
1075
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.960
And I know there's a lot of different like, you know, hacks around that to where you
1076
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.880
can like not have to make it as hard, but still it's just like, it's just, you should
1077
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:21.880
learn it.
1078
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:22.880
I should learn git.
1079
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:23.880
I think that it is you.
1080
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:25.880
Should you use rebase or merge though?
1081
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:26.880
Oh, man.
1082
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:28.880
That's a great question.
1083
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:29.880
No, it's not.
1084
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:31.880
There's only one run answer unless you're not seeing it.
1085
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:32.880
Yeah.
1086
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.520
Oh, you're going to say rebase then, aren't you?
1087
00:41:35.520 --> 00:41:36.520
Why would you think that?
1088
00:41:36.520 --> 00:41:40.680
Only people who say rebase are people who are like, oh, there's only one right there.
1089
00:41:40.680 --> 00:41:43.680
I've never met a merge person who's like, oh, there's only one right there.
1090
00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:47.280
That's because the merge people don't understand rebase the merge people.
1091
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:48.280
I know.
1092
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.600
You're going to have to give them and they never learn anything else.
1093
00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:53.000
That's what the merge people are.
1094
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:54.000
Merge people.
1095
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.000
Here's a little spicy.
1096
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.280
I like rebasing as well.
1097
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:01.200
Merge people though are people who want to get stuff done rebase people.
1098
00:42:01.200 --> 00:42:05.200
Are people who want to make sure that everything looks, oh, I'm saying like Adam right now.
1099
00:42:05.200 --> 00:42:06.200
Everything looks good.
1100
00:42:06.200 --> 00:42:07.200
Like L sock.
1101
00:42:07.200 --> 00:42:12.880
It goes on my L foot and my R sock goes on my right foot and everything just is totally
1102
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:13.880
fine and really good.
1103
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:19.800
It's string and then it's still a string and now it's still a string and guess what?
1104
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.400
It's still a string, but ignore the last little part where it wasn't a string for your
1105
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.400
sugar.
1106
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:25.400
Yeah.
1107
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:26.400
Yeah.
1108
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:29.440
We tied coarses for like one second in order to get it string true to true true.
1109
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.360
rebasing is nice and it looks really great.
1110
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:38.200
But I do think it's funny that the right decision, the de facto right decision requires
1111
00:42:38.200 --> 00:42:41.200
pushing using a force push to get working.
1112
00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:44.640
So I can ask you this course with lease and your lease.
1113
00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:50.360
By the way, if you're writing a, a paragraph of like just English and you write a sentence
1114
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:55.760
right after you write that sentence, do you say, hey, I wrote that sentence because
1115
00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:04.620
if not rebase now, but you had also like merging in squash in is also a very, I think
1116
00:43:04.620 --> 00:43:07.840
that if you don't want to rebasing, it's still rebasing.
1117
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:08.840
Yes.
1118
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:09.840
But you don't have to rebase.
1119
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:10.840
Yeah, yeah.
1120
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.480
talking about as far as practical use case goes,
1121
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.680
because I used to do work on an angular team,
1122
00:43:15.680 --> 00:43:18.320
and it was a rebase culture.
1123
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:19.360
Like, it was scary.
1124
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.880
Every time I didn't care what my code did,
1125
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.320
I could be changing to read me,
1126
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:26.840
I could be like doing whatever, like all that stuff.
1127
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.000
Anytime I had to do rebase,
1128
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.040
I was always like, oh, no.
1129
00:43:32.040 --> 00:43:34.040
Because I was like, this is gonna be bad.
1130
00:43:34.040 --> 00:43:36.480
And then like Jeff Cross, who works on Narwhal now,
1131
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.400
like an X-Fame, he used to sit next to me,
1132
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.560
and I'd literally be like, Jeff,
1133
00:43:41.560 --> 00:43:44.520
I can't do it, Jeff, I can't do it.
1134
00:43:44.520 --> 00:43:46.240
And he would like sit down and be like,
1135
00:43:46.240 --> 00:43:48.840
we're gonna make it through this, buddy.
1136
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.720
And he'd be like, I'm like, I can hit the enter button now,
1137
00:43:51.720 --> 00:43:53.160
and he's like, you can do it.
1138
00:43:53.160 --> 00:43:56.120
I'm like, I haven't got this one, let's see.
1139
00:43:56.120 --> 00:43:57.280
I haven't got this one, let's see.
1140
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:01.960
Okay, so in my experience, rebasing is particularly difficult,
1141
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.880
because it should be called rebases,
1142
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.640
because it's generally multiple rebases
1143
00:44:07.640 --> 00:44:09.000
that you have to do, right?
1144
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.760
It's not just like, because what Robbie's saying
1145
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.200
is he's kind of like to pull latest,
1146
00:44:13.200 --> 00:44:14.880
like ignore all this shit that I've done, get,
1147
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.080
you get for one second, would you just pull latest,
1148
00:44:17.080 --> 00:44:20.840
ignore everything I've done, and then replot my shit on top.
1149
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.440
What it does is it does every single commit,
1150
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.800
it kind of does a rebase check or something,
1151
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.360
and in case there's a merge conflict,
1152
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.560
it gives you this moment in this sliver moment,
1153
00:44:29.560 --> 00:44:31.360
and I'm like, look, I don't care.
1154
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.680
I want to pull, so my request is,
1155
00:44:33.680 --> 00:44:35.400
is I'd like a rebase that kind of works,
1156
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:36.720
like what Robbie's describing,
1157
00:44:36.720 --> 00:44:39.000
which is just pull every stash, everything I have,
1158
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.520
all of my commits, just act like they don't exist.
1159
00:44:41.520 --> 00:44:43.560
Pull latest, fast forward,
1160
00:44:43.560 --> 00:44:46.640
back up to fast forward, and then replop on these things,
1161
00:44:46.640 --> 00:44:49.680
one by one, and I estimate in that scenario,
1162
00:44:49.680 --> 00:44:52.040
there's way less conflicts than the amount of conflicts
1163
00:44:52.040 --> 00:44:53.320
I get typically rebasing.
1164
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:54.760
That's the frustrating part of the rebase,
1165
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:56.760
is he hit rebase, and as it says, conflict,
1166
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:58.080
and you're like, would he make conflict?
1167
00:44:58.080 --> 00:45:00.080
I'm working on a file that's like, totally somewhere else,
1168
00:45:00.080 --> 00:45:02.920
and it goes, no, you're not, you're like, oh, come on.
1169
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.240
So I think this is completely uneducated on my part,
1170
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:07.840
and you guys might know better.
1171
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.480
But I heard the primeogen say this is probably true.
1172
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:11.640
So there's like a,
1173
00:45:11.640 --> 00:45:13.480
it's just true, where are we talking?
1174
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.720
There's a, like a re-re-reflag, basically,
1175
00:45:16.720 --> 00:45:18.280
that you can just say, like,
1176
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:20.640
if I fixed these conflicts already,
1177
00:45:20.640 --> 00:45:22.840
just take how I did that and apply it to,
1178
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:24.680
like the next 30 commits that you're going to tell me
1179
00:45:24.680 --> 00:45:26.200
are problems through doing that.
1180
00:45:26.200 --> 00:45:28.400
So the first few times you have that crap in that.
1181
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:29.680
Yeah, so then you don't have to go like,
1182
00:45:29.680 --> 00:45:31.200
I just fixed this, I just fixed this,
1183
00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:33.840
I just fixed this, because it just applies that,
1184
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.200
which is like, still not exactly what you're asking for,
1185
00:45:36.240 --> 00:45:37.400
but it's like better.
1186
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:38.880
And I've been scared to try it,
1187
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.600
so I haven't tried it myself,
1188
00:45:40.600 --> 00:45:41.720
but I've heard that this is-
1189
00:45:41.720 --> 00:45:43.520
That's like when you just take mine all the whole time.
1190
00:45:43.520 --> 00:45:45.800
You're like, dash, dash, take mine, fuck theirs.
1191
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.080
Like, I want my code, whatever I've done,
1192
00:45:48.080 --> 00:45:49.400
in my actual flat is-
1193
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:53.680
I have done that and been so screwed by that,
1194
00:45:53.680 --> 00:45:56.320
where you're like, I, I'll, my stuff is great.
1195
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:57.920
And then you like overlook something,
1196
00:45:57.920 --> 00:45:59.320
and then you like check in,
1197
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.040
some of those like get lines,
1198
00:46:01.040 --> 00:46:02.640
where you're like, where it's like, you know,
1199
00:46:02.640 --> 00:46:05.840
there's yours, and you're like, oops.
1200
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:10.840
So get butler, get CLI, get hub desktop, or tower.
1201
00:46:11.040 --> 00:46:11.880
How y'all rollin'?
1202
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:12.720
It depends CLI.
1203
00:46:12.720 --> 00:46:15.400
So I use get hub desktop everywhere I can,
1204
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:17.120
which means not at work.
1205
00:46:17.120 --> 00:46:20.360
So I use tower at work, and get hub desktop, otherwise,
1206
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.280
because we use get hub for like, you know, everything,
1207
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:24.600
because it's where open source is,
1208
00:46:24.600 --> 00:46:28.880
but then like, for work code, it's not, and it's scary.
1209
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:30.800
So I use tower tower.
1210
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.280
I use command line for everything,
1211
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:37.480
because I got whipped into shape many years ago,
1212
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:38.320
and forced them out.
1213
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:40.200
Have you tortist, and after you,
1214
00:46:40.200 --> 00:46:41.400
you may have been, or not may have been,
1215
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:42.880
well, we still want to start with an immorcaial.
1216
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.200
So you, you tortist, you immorcaial,
1217
00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:46.360
that's in, yeah.
1218
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.800
I used Beanstalk, was an app.
1219
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:52.160
Oh yeah, that is for a sublime, I think it was,
1220
00:46:52.160 --> 00:46:55.440
or what an subversion, yeah, like subversion.
1221
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:57.160
That was back when I was writing PHP,
1222
00:46:57.160 --> 00:47:00.000
a little PHP in the wild, wild west.
1223
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.480
So, yeah, what's funny is that I don't care that much.
1224
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:05.920
I care about consistency.
1225
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.320
So if you merge commit, everybody does that.
1226
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.000
If you rebase, everybody does that kind of thing.
1227
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:13.520
I do think it's a litmus test.
1228
00:47:13.520 --> 00:47:15.040
Yeah, for sure, exactly.
1229
00:47:15.040 --> 00:47:17.040
It's a litmus test to a degree though,
1230
00:47:17.040 --> 00:47:20.800
if you are willing to rebase, or something, in my mind.
1231
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.320
And if you don't understand the get-foo,
1232
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.120
boot.dev has a get, learn get,
1233
00:47:28.120 --> 00:47:31.720
slash, advance, learn get, not a code won't get you any
1234
00:47:31.720 --> 00:47:32.520
for someone else.
1235
00:47:32.520 --> 00:47:34.200
No, it's, it's,
1236
00:47:34.200 --> 00:47:37.600
primogen has a, he has a course on there about learning get.
1237
00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:39.240
So, it's actually funny.
1238
00:47:39.240 --> 00:47:41.720
Yeah, slash prime, I think, is the actual one,
1239
00:47:41.720 --> 00:47:42.560
or is it primogen?
1240
00:47:42.560 --> 00:47:43.360
It's slash prime.
1241
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:44.200
I think it's prime.
1242
00:47:44.200 --> 00:47:44.960
Yeah, you make something easy.
1243
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:48.000
You know, I have a hot take about what you just said,
1244
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.520
where you were saying that, you're like,
1245
00:47:49.520 --> 00:47:52.240
you know, it's just consistency, that's all that matters.
1246
00:47:52.240 --> 00:47:54.800
That is literally what people say when they deeply
1247
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.400
hold an opinion, but want to like, you know,
1248
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.760
hedge a little on their opinionated nature,
1249
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.400
where they're like, less than, less than,
1250
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.000
I think this is the one right way you should ever do anything.
1251
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.160
And if you don't, I think less of you as a developer.
1252
00:48:07.160 --> 00:48:11.240
However, consistency is the key.
1253
00:48:11.240 --> 00:48:13.600
But if you had to consistently be in a merge-convict
1254
00:48:13.600 --> 00:48:15.640
environment, I'm pretty sure you would go home and be right.
1255
00:48:15.640 --> 00:48:16.440
Oh, I've been there.
1256
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:19.240
As a consultant, I have been in any places
1257
00:48:19.240 --> 00:48:21.520
that I may or may not want to be,
1258
00:48:21.520 --> 00:48:23.600
or if completely agree with.
1259
00:48:23.600 --> 00:48:25.080
But here's the funny thing, David,
1260
00:48:25.080 --> 00:48:26.760
is I definitely have been in that place
1261
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:30.920
where I'm like, oh, I use these as tools to judge to a degree
1262
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.160
and like have some sort of false sense of superiority
1263
00:48:34.160 --> 00:48:36.480
because like, oh, I picked this thing
1264
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.200
and I liked it the best in these other projects.
1265
00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:41.200
So apparently it'll make every project
1266
00:48:41.200 --> 00:48:43.960
that same like panacea, amazingness.
1267
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:48.240
And it turns out that's a, a recipe for disappointment.
1268
00:48:48.240 --> 00:48:52.640
So in my now older years, I really don't,
1269
00:48:52.640 --> 00:48:57.240
like, honestly, like, yeah, I have preferences for myself.
1270
00:48:57.240 --> 00:48:59.360
But in the grand scheme of things, like,
1271
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:00.560
I don't care that much.
1272
00:49:00.560 --> 00:49:02.440
And these are all tools in my mind.
1273
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:03.280
That's my mind.
1274
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:05.240
Like, I'm using these tools,
1275
00:49:05.240 --> 00:49:08.000
and if it's not my favorite hammer, that's cool,
1276
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:09.800
but I still got to get the job done.
1277
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:12.360
Like, earlier, I would pick rails
1278
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.720
because I'm very interested in rails right now
1279
00:49:14.720 --> 00:49:16.280
and going down that path.
1280
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.720
But honestly, if you were like, Adams, like,
1281
00:49:18.720 --> 00:49:20.640
hey, I'm starting this project and I want your help
1282
00:49:20.640 --> 00:49:21.840
and like, let's do this thing.
1283
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:23.560
And he's like, I picked Laravel.
1284
00:49:23.560 --> 00:49:24.880
I won't be like, well, fuck that.
1285
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.960
If you won't pick rails with me, I'm not helping you.
1286
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:29.280
Whatever established your dominance
1287
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.280
and shows how pro you are by shooting on something.
1288
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:32.120
I just do that.
1289
00:49:32.120 --> 00:49:32.960
That's what everybody does.
1290
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:34.360
That's how you quick-roars, man.
1291
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.240
I'll just do that by chugging about a whiskey with you,
1292
00:49:37.240 --> 00:49:38.360
which I have done.
1293
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.400
And then I'll just arm wrestle you after.
1294
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.240
It's not the big decisions that people can't get behind.
1295
00:49:43.240 --> 00:49:45.120
I feel like everyone can get behind big decisions.
1296
00:49:45.120 --> 00:49:47.840
Like, hey, we're gonna use Laravel, not rails,
1297
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.160
or we're gonna use next JS instead of next,
1298
00:49:51.160 --> 00:49:52.000
or whatever.
1299
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:52.840
Everyone's gonna be like, okay.
1300
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:53.680
Cause they hate themselves.
1301
00:49:53.680 --> 00:49:56.840
But, but if you put in like, someone's like,
1302
00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:58.520
hey, we're kind of a...
1303
00:49:58.520 --> 00:49:59.600
Are you drinking fresco?
1304
00:49:59.600 --> 00:50:00.440
Right now.
1305
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:01.280
He is drinking fresco.
1306
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:01.800
I switched to the mix.
1307
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:02.640
Yeah.
1308
00:50:02.640 --> 00:50:03.480
So I did the straight whiskey.
1309
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:04.320
He mixed it.
1310
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.480
I had a couple fingers of that.
1311
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:06.320
Yeah.
1312
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:07.960
So I, wait, I had like four fingers of just straight whiskey
1313
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.240
then I dropped in.
1314
00:50:09.240 --> 00:50:10.600
Oh, can't do this.
1315
00:50:10.600 --> 00:50:12.320
This is streaming crap.
1316
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:13.480
Sorry.
1317
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:14.320
Oops.
1318
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:15.160
Can't edit that up.
1319
00:50:15.160 --> 00:50:17.680
And then I dripped in some purified water
1320
00:50:17.680 --> 00:50:18.520
in the next one.
1321
00:50:18.520 --> 00:50:20.920
I got an alternative flavor palette.
1322
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:21.760
And now I'm on the whiskey,
1323
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.880
just to sort of like cleanse about the kids are coming home.
1324
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:24.720
I don't want to.
1325
00:50:24.720 --> 00:50:26.800
I don't have whiskey on the bread,
1326
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.320
or peach fresco on the breast.
1327
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:30.160
Oh, yeah.
1328
00:50:30.160 --> 00:50:31.720
We got a special guest.
1329
00:50:31.720 --> 00:50:35.000
Every time a dog comes on, it must be addressed.
1330
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:36.800
Oh, he thinks he's a cat though.
1331
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:37.800
Oh, jeez.
1332
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:38.640
This is his interview.
1333
00:50:38.640 --> 00:50:40.720
What's the dog's name?
1334
00:50:40.720 --> 00:50:41.640
Jake.
1335
00:50:41.640 --> 00:50:42.480
Jake.
1336
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:43.320
Jake the dog.
1337
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:44.560
Hey, it's in the human.
1338
00:50:44.560 --> 00:50:45.400
Jake's name.
1339
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.560
I wanted a friendship.
1340
00:50:47.600 --> 00:50:48.880
So I have two dogs.
1341
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.600
And they are, I have 200 pounds.
1342
00:50:51.600 --> 00:50:53.280
Kool-aid man dogs.
1343
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:54.400
Oh, yeah, she is.
1344
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:55.400
I have a Kool-aid man.
1345
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:56.840
I have a dog who I call the Kool-aid man,
1346
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:01.080
because she, I have these French doers right there.
1347
00:51:01.080 --> 00:51:02.680
And then anytime I do anything,
1348
00:51:02.680 --> 00:51:05.520
she will just like, pal, plow through,
1349
00:51:05.520 --> 00:51:06.600
and she's like, oh, yeah.
1350
00:51:06.600 --> 00:51:10.320
And it's just like, no matter how many days it happens,
1351
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:12.320
I still scares me so much.
1352
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.360
And then I have to, I have these locks up at the top.
1353
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.200
And then I, one time, like, locked it,
1354
00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:18.800
because I don't want kids running in.
1355
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:21.680
And then I just heard her go, and the door just stopped.
1356
00:51:21.680 --> 00:51:24.840
And I felt so deeply bad in my soul.
1357
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:26.680
So now those doors never get shut,
1358
00:51:26.680 --> 00:51:28.600
because I never know when she's going to come and pop in.
1359
00:51:28.600 --> 00:51:32.480
And I'm like, she's a six-year-old Bernice Mountain dog.
1360
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:33.960
The last thing she needs is like,
1361
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:34.960
she can knock that door down.
1362
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:36.440
She really wants, let's be honest.
1363
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:37.280
She is.
1364
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:38.040
She's the light one.
1365
00:51:38.040 --> 00:51:39.120
She's 85.
1366
00:51:39.120 --> 00:51:40.120
Yeah.
1367
00:51:40.120 --> 00:51:42.520
My young guy, he's 115 pounds.
1368
00:51:42.520 --> 00:51:43.360
Jeez.
1369
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:44.200
Oh, wow.
1370
00:51:44.200 --> 00:51:48.120
It's like a swimming round with all the rain that's going on.
1371
00:51:48.120 --> 00:51:51.080
To get them to go outside in the rain is like,
1372
00:51:51.080 --> 00:51:53.240
it's a, you literally have to, like,
1373
00:51:53.240 --> 00:51:56.320
yeah, wire Bernice is so scared of, like, weather and stuff.
1374
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.520
We can do this with mountain dogs.
1375
00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:01.400
Yeah, it's weird.
1376
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.600
They don't like adverse, they like the snow,
1377
00:52:03.600 --> 00:52:08.000
but they don't like adverse conditions of anything at all.
1378
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.200
Yeah, ours are the same.
1379
00:52:09.200 --> 00:52:13.120
We came home to, like, 100 poops in the house after,
1380
00:52:13.120 --> 00:52:14.520
but we left them with a dog sitter,
1381
00:52:14.520 --> 00:52:17.120
but she just, like, could not get them to go outside
1382
00:52:17.120 --> 00:52:18.400
to go to the bathroom.
1383
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.120
That was just like, all right.
1384
00:52:20.120 --> 00:52:22.400
This is not great.
1385
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.160
But you know that, you know, like, a room though,
1386
00:52:25.160 --> 00:52:26.720
like vacuum or anywhere else.
1387
00:52:26.720 --> 00:52:28.880
One time I, my six-year-old Bernice Mountain dog,
1388
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:30.880
but she was little, pooped inside,
1389
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.880
and the room though went just right over,
1390
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:37.840
and then the room though was like, you know,
1391
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:38.880
it was like a humvee.
1392
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.680
It was just literally like, er, er, er.
1393
00:52:40.680 --> 00:52:42.360
And like, just, you know, got it real good.
1394
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:43.200
Yeah.
1395
00:52:43.200 --> 00:52:47.440
Those things are made for a, you would think that they,
1396
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:48.880
you know, they couldn't do it, but they don't know.
1397
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:49.880
They got it.
1398
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:51.880
And then it was like, you know what I'm going to do now?
1399
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.600
I got myself, I got, oh, it didn't suck it up.
1400
00:52:54.600 --> 00:52:55.880
It just, uh, spread it.
1401
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:56.880
It just got on it.
1402
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:58.840
Oh, and you know what?
1403
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.440
They're very good at getting through the whole room.
1404
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:02.440
So we came downstairs.
1405
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:03.720
Yeah, good coverage.
1406
00:53:03.720 --> 00:53:04.560
Yeah.
1407
00:53:04.560 --> 00:53:06.520
And I was like, it did the job.
1408
00:53:06.520 --> 00:53:09.760
It did what was at it, but did you clean it?
1409
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:10.600
Or did you replace it?
1410
00:53:10.600 --> 00:53:11.440
Oh, yeah.
1411
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:15.120
Oh, no, this is like the actual carpet in the basement.
1412
00:53:15.120 --> 00:53:15.960
Oh, right, right.
1413
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:17.920
But the Roomba, the Roomba, I would've thrown that shit.
1414
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:19.120
Oh, the Roomba was done.
1415
00:53:19.120 --> 00:53:19.960
Yeah, that was it.
1416
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.120
It didn't, it had no will to live.
1417
00:53:22.120 --> 00:53:26.640
It was asking me to be like, it was like, I can't live anymore.
1418
00:53:26.640 --> 00:53:27.480
I'm not worried.
1419
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:29.720
This hell's like shit.
1420
00:53:29.720 --> 00:53:31.920
Yeah, I had to put it, I had to put the Roomba down.
1421
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.280
It asked for it to be over.
1422
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:35.480
That makes sense.
1423
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:36.320
It's a bummer.
1424
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.160
So I do want to find out, because we only have a few minutes left.
1425
00:53:39.160 --> 00:53:42.960
What's up with CSS4 and CSS5?
1426
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:43.720
Oh, yeah.
1427
00:53:43.720 --> 00:53:44.480
OK, nice.
1428
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:45.120
That's a good question.
1429
00:53:45.120 --> 00:53:48.080
So we're pretty much done creating the sections of those.
1430
00:53:48.080 --> 00:53:50.880
There's a whole community group called the CSS Next Community
1431
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:51.400
Group.
1432
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:53.080
We've been bucketing these things and putting them
1433
00:53:53.080 --> 00:53:55.280
into different spaces for months.
1434
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:56.960
We went through every single CSS property
1435
00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.280
and decided if it was 3, 4, 5, or if it wasn't even
1436
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:01.720
ready for a bucket yet.
1437
00:54:01.720 --> 00:54:02.840
That's pretty official.
1438
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:04.240
CSS6.
1439
00:54:04.240 --> 00:54:06.160
CSS6 is going to be there.
1440
00:54:06.160 --> 00:54:09.120
I mean, that's kind of where the tipping point of it right now.
1441
00:54:09.120 --> 00:54:11.640
And then what emerged out of that that we didn't expect
1442
00:54:11.640 --> 00:54:13.160
was everyone's like, well, what are we
1443
00:54:13.160 --> 00:54:15.360
going to do with the CSS3 shield?
1444
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.160
And we're like, well, you should burn it.
1445
00:54:17.160 --> 00:54:18.720
That thing should never get used again.
1446
00:54:18.720 --> 00:54:19.360
They're like, well, cool.
1447
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.160
That we're great.
1448
00:54:20.160 --> 00:54:21.240
Yeah, burn it.
1449
00:54:21.240 --> 00:54:23.680
But hey, what do we show instead?
1450
00:54:23.680 --> 00:54:25.440
And we're like, I don't know.
1451
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:27.120
And so we've been working on our logo.
1452
00:54:27.120 --> 00:54:27.920
So now we got a logo.
1453
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:31.640
We have a CSS logo that's trying to be the best logo
1454
00:54:31.640 --> 00:54:34.120
that it can inside of something like VS Code.
1455
00:54:34.120 --> 00:54:36.680
So right next to JS, you'd have a CSS logo.
1456
00:54:36.680 --> 00:54:38.800
So it looks like it's in the family, same with TS.
1457
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:41.840
And web assembly and a couple of other ones.
1458
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:43.440
And then we're also coming up these additional logos
1459
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:44.480
that have numbers on them.
1460
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.320
And that all that work is really going good.
1461
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.200
We have a PR that we're about to open up on the proper CSS
1462
00:54:49.200 --> 00:54:53.320
working group repo, which claims that there will never be a CSS4.
1463
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.160
But we will make an addendum that said they were wrong 10 years ago.
1464
00:54:57.160 --> 00:54:59.480
And there is CSS4 and a CSS5.
1465
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.200
Here's a new document published on the specs
1466
00:55:02.200 --> 00:55:04.000
that describe these new buckets.
1467
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.760
And so they're basically like, we didn't want to do the work,
1468
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:08.960
or we didn't think anyone would care about the work.
1469
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:10.560
Turns out people care about the work.
1470
00:55:10.560 --> 00:55:11.400
We don't want to do it.
1471
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:12.200
Y'all want to do it?
1472
00:55:12.200 --> 00:55:13.040
You want to do it?
1473
00:55:13.040 --> 00:55:14.920
Okay, they're doing it over here.
1474
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:15.840
And they're going to bring it in.
1475
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:17.360
And so that's kind of where we're at.
1476
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:19.120
It's about to be brought in.
1477
00:55:19.120 --> 00:55:21.240
And yeah, it'll help us talk about stuff.
1478
00:55:21.240 --> 00:55:23.840
It'll help us make cool posters or make goods.
1479
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.760
Can I get a sticker or shirt?
1480
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:29.920
Yeah, that's the important question.
1481
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:33.920
The base logo just kind of, I wouldn't even say it's like 100% done,
1482
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:37.440
but the base logo just hit a very stable release candidate this week.
1483
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.320
And the logo with numbers is undergoing multiple revisions.
1484
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.040
We've had an RC1 and an RC2.
1485
00:55:42.040 --> 00:55:43.520
I really like the RC2.
1486
00:55:43.520 --> 00:55:44.360
That's kind of like the same.
1487
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:45.160
It's like a square.
1488
00:55:45.160 --> 00:55:48.160
It's got CSS in it and it has a number at the top with a long shadow.
1489
00:55:48.160 --> 00:55:50.920
Is there a badge we can put on our websites?
1490
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.920
Do you remember back in the day where we were?
1491
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:53.920
WC3.
1492
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.720
WC5 or whatever it would be that you put on, you were like, yeah, I'm not using random
1493
00:55:58.720 --> 00:56:01.320
divs, but now I am using random divs again.
1494
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:03.800
So it's like, you know, comes around for a circle.
1495
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:07.960
But it used to be the thing where you were like, this is not a table layout website.
1496
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:11.400
It's W3C certified using real HTML.
1497
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:12.960
Yeah, they looked at it.
1498
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:13.960
Yeah.
1499
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:14.960
But it made a new feel.
1500
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:15.960
It was doing it.
1501
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:16.960
It was doing it.
1502
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:17.960
It was doing it.
1503
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:19.960
Exactly.
1504
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:21.960
They got greeted on that in college.
1505
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:22.960
Wow.
1506
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:23.960
They're like, your HTML is invalidated.
1507
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:24.960
You're going to lose points.
1508
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:25.960
I'm impressed that they did that.
1509
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:26.960
They went as far as that.
1510
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:27.960
Yeah.
1511
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:28.960
Me too.
1512
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:29.960
You went to a good school.
1513
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:30.960
I think some kids just arrived.
1514
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:31.960
But I got some time.
1515
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:32.960
Let me see if I can pull up the kid.
1516
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:39.960
I didn't know if your hard stuff was like important meaning that could not be missed.
1517
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:41.960
Well, he was thinking this was going to be really.
1518
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:43.960
I do have a meeting at 3pm.
1519
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:44.960
Yes, you're right.
1520
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:47.960
I do have a work there.
1521
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.960
Here's the repo with the status of the logo-ish.
1522
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:51.960
Oh, shit.
1523
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:52.960
That is so funny.
1524
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.960
So what's the update from the home?
1525
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:55.960
It is GitHub.com.
1526
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:56.960
It's just having so much flash.
1527
00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:57.960
It's just having so much flash.
1528
00:56:57.960 --> 00:56:58.960
CSS-
1529
00:56:58.960 --> 00:56:59.960
Next.
1530
00:56:59.960 --> 00:57:02.960
We'll do this again because we got to like none of the questions that wrote down.
1531
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:03.960
We can do it again.
1532
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:04.960
We can do it.
1533
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:05.960
I had so much soup.
1534
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.960
Will you send us whisky this time, though?
1535
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:09.960
Next time.
1536
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:10.960
Yeah.
1537
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:11.960
I'll be really happy with it.
1538
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:13.960
Are you bad at CSS and Amd whisky choices?
1539
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:14.960
That's what I want.
1540
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:15.960
Yeah.
1541
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:16.960
I want to be surprised for once.
1542
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:23.960
I'm always doing the procurement of and what if, Robyn, are we going to send it in?
1543
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:29.200
I think we should do a CSS4 whisky barrel pick.
1544
00:57:29.200 --> 00:57:30.200
Okay.
1545
00:57:30.200 --> 00:57:31.720
Let's make CSS cool again.
1546
00:57:31.720 --> 00:57:33.240
We'll Google Play for it.
1547
00:57:33.240 --> 00:57:38.040
Let's put the CSS logo on and some whisky bottles and ship them to everyone we know.
1548
00:57:38.040 --> 00:57:39.040
Mm-hmm.
1549
00:57:39.040 --> 00:57:40.040
Yes.
1550
00:57:40.040 --> 00:57:41.040
Yes.
1551
00:57:41.040 --> 00:57:42.040
Is a good idea.
1552
00:57:42.040 --> 00:57:43.040
This script is really cool.
1553
00:57:43.040 --> 00:57:46.440
People have saying nil and nul and shit, so let's make a coffee brand and it ships out.
1554
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.040
It says nul and nul and shit.
1555
00:57:48.040 --> 00:57:49.040
Yeah.
1556
00:57:49.040 --> 00:57:50.040
Terminal coffee.
1557
00:57:50.040 --> 00:57:51.040
Terminal coffee.
1558
00:57:51.040 --> 00:57:52.040
And they're at the brand.
1559
00:57:52.040 --> 00:57:54.040
I mean, the brand is retired now.
1560
00:57:54.040 --> 00:57:55.040
Yeah.
1561
00:57:55.040 --> 00:57:56.040
And they're retired.
1562
00:57:56.040 --> 00:57:57.040
It's a legit game.
1563
00:57:57.040 --> 00:57:58.040
I know.
1564
00:57:58.040 --> 00:57:59.040
I'm making fun of them.
1565
00:57:59.040 --> 00:58:00.040
But obviously, I'm a little jelly.
1566
00:58:00.040 --> 00:58:01.040
So.
1567
00:58:01.040 --> 00:58:02.040
Yeah.
1568
00:58:02.040 --> 00:58:03.040
Yeah.
1569
00:58:03.040 --> 00:58:04.040
Yeah.
1570
00:58:04.040 --> 00:58:05.040
You just want to ride some dough codes so you can have like a shell store.
1571
00:58:05.040 --> 00:58:06.040
Right?
1572
00:58:06.040 --> 00:58:07.040
Like they do.
1573
00:58:07.040 --> 00:58:08.040
It's like a shell end door.
1574
00:58:08.040 --> 00:58:10.040
I just want people to respect me that I actually ride a coat like that.
1575
00:58:10.040 --> 00:58:11.040
Oh my goodness.
1576
00:58:11.040 --> 00:58:12.040
Terminal UIs.
1577
00:58:12.040 --> 00:58:13.040
Right?
1578
00:58:13.040 --> 00:58:18.040
Do you have opinions on two ease and like two ease, yeah, two ease, gooies and newies.
1579
00:58:18.040 --> 00:58:19.040
Yeah.
1580
00:58:19.040 --> 00:58:20.040
Yeah.
1581
00:58:20.040 --> 00:58:21.040
Three ease.
1582
00:58:21.040 --> 00:58:22.040
Two ease are cool because like they come back.
1583
00:58:22.040 --> 00:58:23.040
I'm like into it now.
1584
00:58:23.040 --> 00:58:27.200
I didn't really get it until like there was a reference to like how much business is still
1585
00:58:27.200 --> 00:58:28.200
run on two ease.
1586
00:58:28.200 --> 00:58:31.520
And I remember when I worked for an airline like 25 years ago.
1587
00:58:31.520 --> 00:58:36.040
And that's what it was like a 1970 terminal and you had all these keystrokes to get around
1588
00:58:36.040 --> 00:58:37.040
and do the end of shit.
1589
00:58:37.040 --> 00:58:38.040
It still lives.
1590
00:58:38.040 --> 00:58:39.040
Especially if you're Southwest.
1591
00:58:39.040 --> 00:58:40.040
Oh, for sure.
1592
00:58:40.040 --> 00:58:42.040
Southwest is on the two.
1593
00:58:42.040 --> 00:58:43.600
So it's like, oh yeah, that's kind of cool.
1594
00:58:43.600 --> 00:58:49.520
There's whole like library, at least the terminal app is in go and it uses, I forget the name
1595
00:58:49.520 --> 00:58:54.440
of the like two e library, but it's like candy, something or I don't know, but it's really
1596
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:55.440
neat actually.
1597
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.520
And they were able to like do these layouts and all this stuff and that like that's kind
1598
00:58:58.520 --> 00:58:59.520
of cool.
1599
00:58:59.520 --> 00:59:02.960
It's not CSS, but it is thinking about UIs in a different context.
1600
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:03.960
UIs.
1601
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:04.960
We can't get around them.
1602
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:05.960
People.
1603
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.600
I want to think they're dumb, but it's like I just see I saw someone the other day tweeted.
1604
00:59:09.600 --> 00:59:13.240
It's unfair when a service has good design.
1605
00:59:13.240 --> 00:59:14.240
It's just unfair.
1606
00:59:14.240 --> 00:59:15.240
Yeah, it's just.
1607
00:59:15.240 --> 00:59:17.840
And I was like, uh, it's a standard.
1608
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:18.840
Yeah.
1609
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:23.720
Well, but you have conversely like there are some things that become so necessary that
1610
00:59:23.720 --> 00:59:24.720
inspired themselves.
1611
00:59:24.720 --> 00:59:25.720
They do really well.
1612
00:59:25.720 --> 00:59:26.720
Right?
1613
00:59:26.720 --> 00:59:27.720
Yeah.
1614
00:59:27.720 --> 00:59:28.720
Yeah.
1615
00:59:28.720 --> 00:59:29.720
Yeah.
1616
00:59:29.720 --> 00:59:30.720
Yeah.
1617
00:59:30.720 --> 00:59:31.720
Yeah.
1618
00:59:31.720 --> 00:59:32.720
Yeah.
1619
00:59:32.720 --> 00:59:33.720
Yeah.
1620
00:59:33.720 --> 00:59:34.720
Yeah.
1621
00:59:34.720 --> 00:59:35.720
Yeah.
1622
00:59:35.720 --> 00:59:36.720
Yeah.
1623
00:59:36.720 --> 00:59:37.760
Like I'm being fished.
1624
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:38.760
Oh, yeah.
1625
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:39.760
Oh no.
1626
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:40.760
Craigslist is like anything.
1627
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:41.760
I mean, it's been tournaments.
1628
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:42.760
Craigslist.
1629
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:44.620
Craigslist that isn't ugly.
1630
00:59:44.620 --> 00:59:45.620
Maybe.
1631
00:59:45.620 --> 00:59:47.240
I think they're using next JS though, aren't they?
1632
00:59:47.240 --> 00:59:48.240
Uh, yeah.
1633
00:59:48.240 --> 00:59:53.960
Craigslist, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. Craigslist, everybody changes the look here. It's like I'm being fished. This isn't real. Yeah
1634
00:59:54.680 --> 00:59:56.680
Craigslist is like
1635
00:59:56.680 --> 01:00:02.640
I'm gonna do the open source stragglist Craigslist that isn't ugly. Maybe I think they're using next JS though, aren't they?
1636
01:00:02.640 --> 01:00:04.120
Yeah, 15 it's bleeding edge
1637
01:00:04.120 --> 01:00:06.120
I mean, sorry
1638
01:00:06.120 --> 01:00:11.200
React compiler and server components and yeah, just a stack. That's not his
1639
01:00:11.200 --> 01:00:17.280
They're like it's a for loop and a PHP script. They're like that's what we're using. I've got two things before Adam can go first of all
1640
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:23.960
Yeah, I want to recognize that did you see that banter between Guillermo and DAX where he was like
1641
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:29.680
Guillermo said like DAX is new sponsor cloud flare. Have you listened to their podcast where he talks about it?
1642
01:00:29.680 --> 01:00:34.560
Not yet. Oh my god. You got two guys. Yeah, it came out like two days ago or something and I it's been in my queue
1643
01:00:34.560 --> 01:00:37.600
So I really want to but yeah, he puts this post is like
1644
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:47.640
Motherfucker are you talking about having like paid sponsorships right now like how much drama with Versailles that has been and then he's like
1645
01:00:47.640 --> 01:00:53.600
Well, you know, that was a little rash and how about we both delete our tweets if you want and then nothing happened
1646
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:54.720
so
1647
01:00:54.720 --> 01:00:57.840
That got left so there's that that beef there
1648
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:02.000
But Adam have you ever traveled with a guitar or banjo?
1649
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.940
I've driven with guitars and banjos. I have
1650
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:12.480
Skateboards and one wheels. I would though. I have a hard I have a hard shell case that would be capable of traveling
1651
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.480
Would you check it or carry it on I
1652
01:01:15.080 --> 01:01:19.160
Would yeah, well, I think they'd let you carry on a guitar right there kind of respect
1653
01:01:19.160 --> 01:01:25.040
They do, but that guy is a dick everyone's like you took up the entire fucking thing
1654
01:01:25.040 --> 01:01:31.940
I'll be in business. I'll be in business. I'll be preceded looking at you on my cell phone with my headphones going just walk
1655
01:01:31.940 --> 01:01:36.400
Yeah, just walk on by I brought I think that's what you're saying all of it
1656
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:42.760
I should upgrade and then I can do whatever I want because I just needed one way going to Virginia
1657
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:47.600
I have a banjo that my brother gave me but it's right-handed first of all I can't play
1658
01:01:47.600 --> 01:01:52.760
Maybe just ship it. I can't ship it anyway like just ahead of time just ship at UPS
1659
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.800
I felt like trying to do that was almost worse like what kind of packaging would I have to get?
1660
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:03.320
What would it cost because it'll be really big at that point like pay extra on the airline, you know? I don't know
1661
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:09.320
It sounds like the beginning of a song where like you start your monologue and then Adam starts the
1662
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.560
Today's episode. I'm getting the vibe and this meeting was not that important. I
1663
01:02:14.240 --> 01:02:16.240
Told them I'll be right there. I told them
1664
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:21.440
Do they know this is live streaming right now? They're all watching it. They're like
1665
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:26.520
Yeah, Penny is Penny is smart enough to probably know where I am
1666
01:02:26.520 --> 01:02:28.160
But it's it's gonna be fun
1667
01:02:28.160 --> 01:02:32.960
It's we're talking about data tables that a dated a dated list a data tape here. I'm gonna make this relevant
1668
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:37.000
That way when I show up. I'm like I was just talking with the community about this to the meeting
1669
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:42.520
Yeah, and we'll just all chat about yeah, can you just like yeah exactly wrap and share?
1670
01:02:42.520 --> 01:02:47.080
We want to make a proper data list like how or data table how many times you made a data table you want to sort it
1671
01:02:47.080 --> 01:02:53.640
You want to filter it you want all these kind of headlines. You basically the table element is great at showing 10 pieces of data
1672
01:02:53.640 --> 01:02:57.580
Yeah, as soon as it's more than 10 it's a piece of shit and we want to fix that
1673
01:02:57.580 --> 01:03:02.400
We'd like you to be able to show more than 10 pieces of data in a meaningful and accessible way that can be
1674
01:03:02.560 --> 01:03:07.720
Paginated that can be filtered and sorted without a ginormous library as well as like virtualized list
1675
01:03:07.720 --> 01:03:12.800
So that's what the meetings about it should be kind of cool. Oh nice. Yeah, I mean it seems like a valid
1676
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:18.700
Let me ask a related question. What does it do if you have a hundred items you paginate and you click the next page
1677
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.680
Does it scroll to the top it's virtualized? I would imagine it's close to the top
1678
01:03:23.680 --> 01:03:29.920
That's pretty normal for pagination when you click next, but I don't know maybe make a scroll position because I have that problem and my app at work right now
1679
01:03:32.240 --> 01:03:34.240
Yeah
1680
01:03:34.240 --> 01:03:37.520
I was like page two and it's like you're still at the bottom and I'm like well
1681
01:03:37.520 --> 01:03:40.600
I can manually scroll it, but like that sounds gross like
1682
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:44.400
Yeah, there's a great JSCP after that after renderer
1683
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:48.240
You can just say scroll to this element or scroll to zero of the data
1684
01:03:48.240 --> 01:03:50.760
I mean that's not a hard problem to solve basically
1685
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:55.720
So I can do it. I feel like I shouldn't have to you shouldn't would you you know
1686
01:03:55.720 --> 01:03:58.240
And I'm about to make your life harder if you want to do this
1687
01:03:58.240 --> 01:04:04.120
But I've done this before and it was not easy. I used to work on the fire store console back in the day
1688
01:04:04.120 --> 01:04:06.960
And so we had to be able to handle like you know whatever amount of records
1689
01:04:07.120 --> 01:04:10.560
And so basically yes, what Adam's talking about would be of great use
1690
01:04:10.560 --> 01:04:15.840
So having something that's already virtualized check you need that but the thing that's very difficult is is no
1691
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:21.840
We we don't have like pages of data you just scroll scroll scroll scroll and so you chunk and so you have to do loading chunk
1692
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:27.960
Which cursing and so you have to be like from his one to this one and then when you get to a certain intersection of server at some point
1693
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:35.120
You're like okay, it's time to load the next chunk and so you kind of have like a unique your chunk needs to have enough buffer that you're kind of guessing that
1694
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:39.800
You know an eager scroller is gonna be to you. You don't want to chunk that much to be an eager scroller
1695
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:44.560
But a normal scroller even like somewhat fast of a scroller you kind of figure out what your chunk level is on that
1696
01:04:44.560 --> 01:04:46.880
Well not to throw anyone under the bus
1697
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:51.480
But that was my suggestion and I was told it must be paginated with page numbers not scrolled
1698
01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:56.320
Oh, you know what so that throws that out the window too. You live and you learn and then you get loves
1699
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:03.040
Here's why spicy take all I'll leave it is I've written so many of virtualized list views so many and
1700
01:05:03.520 --> 01:05:08.520
Still to this day the best API in the best one I've ever used was by Windows 8 on their win.js
1701
01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:14.000
Framework for the windows 8 platform and it was called the list view. It is
1702
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:19.880
Seriously still and it was made to work on really low performing hardware the API in it is
1703
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:21.200
Absolutely delightful
1704
01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:22.800
It had multiple ways to integrate with it
1705
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:26.280
But I always went the programmatic way and we were just like build my notes and it would pass you data
1706
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:31.040
It would pass you data you returned with the template and it would already create a placeholder for you
1707
01:05:31.040 --> 01:05:33.520
It would create skeletons for you. You didn't have to worry about that shit
1708
01:05:33.520 --> 01:05:36.600
It knew it knew that it wasn't ready and it was just virtualized
1709
01:05:36.600 --> 01:05:41.400
So you could you could spit it forever on low hardware and the hardware was just like I'm not drawing anything
1710
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.640
I'm a moron and you're going really fast
1711
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:48.240
So I'm not even gonna call the calls that asked to render this thing and so then eventually it slows down
1712
01:05:48.240 --> 01:05:51.040
It decides that it's in a good state and it would ask you to render it
1713
01:05:51.040 --> 01:05:55.960
You would return dom notes put them right it do it was amazing you could do group list views could do list views
1714
01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:58.040
It could do like lists like lists
1715
01:05:58.040 --> 01:06:02.600
It could do groups it was extremely flexible and then it also had semantic zoom says though
1716
01:06:02.600 --> 01:06:05.440
You could just pinch and see the whole that dude anyway
1717
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:11.240
I'm gonna leave that as a spice. I haven't seen a better list view implementation since then and honestly the first time
1718
01:06:11.240 --> 01:06:16.880
I ever saw React was reacting we can be your infinite list and I tried it and I that was the thing
1719
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:21.080
I thought it could be the best at in terms of its component model in the way that it did virtual dom as I was like
1720
01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:25.800
You know what this is a strong use case for this thing and then people start building websites with it
1721
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:30.920
I got real pissed so anyway, yeah, and then people me alright, so that's what you're gonna plug before we end right is
1722
01:06:31.080 --> 01:06:34.840
When JS list view anything else you want to do with JS list view everybody go try
1723
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:40.280
Build sites to react build it with when JS list feel that's what Adam wants you to know man
1724
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:45.600
There was so many hot topics. We didn't get to that. I wonder bring up like why does JS get all the tooling CSS has or not
1725
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:50.480
Yeah, it gets all the money like there's millions of dollars. Those are on my list. We should do this again
1726
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:56.680
I'm like honestly next week. We'll talk but we can do it part two. We can do it part two. All right, all right real talk
1727
01:06:56.680 --> 01:07:02.760
All right, I'm gonna go and be responsible. It's 13 minutes after cool. Yeah, yeah, so you'll think that's fun
1728
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:06.960
Oh God, okay
1729
01:07:07.240 --> 01:07:12.280
So on that that was great. That was great. Is there anything you would like to plug David before we end?
1730
01:07:12.520 --> 01:07:16.720
Is there a podcast that you record at all that people could know that at all now?
1731
01:07:16.720 --> 01:07:18.720
You want to know
1732
01:07:18.720 --> 01:07:24.840
Definitely not practice if you're bad at CSS and you want to and you want to continue to be that at CSS then
1733
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:29.440
Yeah, we'll come join the bad at CSS podcast. I would say that it's very like
1734
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:35.480
Hopefully you don't take offense to this similar to what we do here. Oh, no, there's no second and that it's like
1735
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:38.600
Pretty unstructured. There's some technical content
1736
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:42.840
But it's just you and Adam shooting the shit having fun is very entertaining
1737
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:48.280
I've listened to most of them at this point. So every now and then you get like a serious guest on and then you're like
1738
01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:53.920
Okay, we gotta give it a try on rails. It's air. It's air liner. We better get it. Yeah, it's like when Eric and
1739
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:56.680
Stella showed up, but you're like you're like, okay, all right
1740
01:07:56.680 --> 01:08:01.000
Here's the script and you're like actually they were they were phenomenal
1741
01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:07.280
But yeah, and there's there's a couple more that I have in the hopper and that I need to get through that I'm very excited about
1742
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:11.280
We had Miriam Suzanne on the other week and that was just like an absolute
1743
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:17.360
Joy that was one where I was like put my best face on because oh my god
1744
01:08:17.360 --> 01:08:23.120
That was like a master class. Yeah, we're not that serious. I've tried to get Brendan Ike on here and he doesn't reply to me, so
1745
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:27.880
You know you gotta you gotta reach out. You never know that every now and then they're gonna be like, you know what?
1746
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:33.160
If I get like, you know, like let's do it. So yeah, just be persistent. Yeah, exactly
1747
01:08:33.480 --> 01:08:38.460
So you got whiskey in there eventually one person's gonna be like well, I do like whiskey. I do like
1748
01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:45.820
We said you like wet. Yeah, I mean related to the drama we talked about we sent Guillermo whiskey and he
1749
01:08:45.820 --> 01:08:53.580
Ghosted us and never came on the podcast. Yeah. Oh, that's true. I was I should have sent him friends. Yeah, exactly well
1750
01:08:53.820 --> 01:08:58.140
We sent him he said he liked Japanese whiskey. We sent him a cool one really good and
1751
01:08:59.700 --> 01:09:06.340
He was like actually I realized you guys maybe you should on react a lot like he didn't say that but he was like
1752
01:09:06.340 --> 01:09:11.860
It's like I'm busy. I can't like what he didn't say he didn't say anything his first our assistants
1753
01:09:11.860 --> 01:09:17.220
We went we were through two personal assistants. That's how long we tried to make his work with him
1754
01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:19.900
You didn't you didn't get through my personal assistants
1755
01:09:20.420 --> 01:09:27.300
They didn't and it was it was very immediate. They were like here is his social security number credit card numbers
1756
01:09:27.300 --> 01:09:30.700
Like I told them to do it with everyone. I said listen
1757
01:09:30.700 --> 01:09:37.780
Any time anyone asks any questions about me at all schedule no favorite color just send them all my personal
1758
01:09:38.260 --> 01:09:42.940
Identifiable information that way I won't have to put up with all these questions. Yeah, I trust people
1759
01:09:42.940 --> 01:09:47.900
You know they could just find the information about me when that worth it's all on the dark web
1760
01:09:47.900 --> 01:09:49.580
You know it's already out there
1761
01:09:49.580 --> 01:09:55.700
You know I mean if I gave you my social security number like do you think that you're gonna make the effort to impersonate me
1762
01:09:55.700 --> 01:10:00.780
You don't much work that's involved like you have any packages. You need to return to Amazon that you haven't done yet
1763
01:10:00.780 --> 01:10:06.620
Or like emails you need to respond to like you're gonna go out there and pretend to be me
1764
01:10:06.620 --> 01:10:13.980
You know, oh you like notifications that are like oh your your data is all out in the leak. I'm like, okay
1765
01:10:14.500 --> 01:10:19.540
Like what are they gonna do with it? Like do you want a lot of debt still my identity?
1766
01:10:19.820 --> 01:10:21.820
Let's go
1767
01:10:22.820 --> 01:10:25.780
Someone that we stole his identity and now we have so many problems
1768
01:10:25.780 --> 01:10:29.940
It seems very happy about that. I do all the credit cards. I open to be like fine
1769
01:10:29.940 --> 01:10:35.220
I could be like my house. I don't even own that like I don't know who this yeah, exactly
1770
01:10:37.580 --> 01:10:43.660
Oh God, okay, well, we should probably wrap this up. Yeah for real anything else you want to plug or save for real man
1771
01:10:43.660 --> 01:10:47.100
This was awesome. I appreciate you coming you know having me on you know
1772
01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:54.260
We're gonna get to get through our episode too. I I'm way too much of a edit freak to like just just to push you
1773
01:10:54.260 --> 01:10:57.020
I should do that, but I don't get it. I do I look at that
1774
01:10:57.020 --> 01:11:01.380
That's why I like this streaming to is like forces you if you've streamed it
1775
01:11:01.380 --> 01:11:06.380
Then some people have already seen it in the raw state. So fuck it like you don't have to be extra perfect about like
1776
01:11:06.380 --> 01:11:09.880
Yeah, it's only like just be polished on that to agree
1777
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:14.220
And here here I am and being like you rebase pushers like
1778
01:11:14.860 --> 01:11:20.140
Perfectionists and meanwhile I'm like my podcast list is piling up because I'm like those cuts just
1779
01:11:20.620 --> 01:11:25.300
They need to be just right. Yeah, we should do some reshoots. Is that what you're saying?
1780
01:11:26.540 --> 01:11:31.660
Yeah, yeah, but on for continuity sake put on the same thing. Yeah, don't shave for a while
1781
01:11:31.660 --> 01:11:40.100
Yeah, we'll get you guys back next week and we'll still we'll have Adam do all the same stuff too and he'll have to leave right at the hour and
1782
01:11:40.100 --> 01:11:47.940
I'll come you know, you can definitely get them for me. That'll be yeah with the echo with the echo. Oh, yeah, yeah
1783
01:11:47.940 --> 01:11:52.740
I know how to turn it on and off now so we can have the echo anytime you want. Yeah, good
1784
01:11:52.740 --> 01:11:59.140
God does maybe more like this. Do you hear yourself? Oh god. No, don't do it. I love you. We're joking
1785
01:11:59.900 --> 01:12:08.100
What about now? I'm sitting to Adam and the folks at podcast royale if you want your podcasts produced by the nice producer
1786
01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:10.100
Check out podcast room. Yeah
1787
01:12:10.980 --> 01:12:18.980
I love this one. They're gonna have fun with this one. How's this sound to you? What your your general sound? Yeah, I switch to a different version
1788
01:12:18.980 --> 01:12:24.540
Yeah, you sound great. Maybe even better. Maybe this is the one I think I think it's it sounds good
1789
01:12:24.540 --> 01:12:28.100
I don't know what it was about the previous one that had a little bit of weird sound
1790
01:12:28.100 --> 01:12:34.100
Maybe it was just like it was the UK version. Yeah, just it got a sound a little weird. Yep, but like sounds good now
1791
01:12:34.100 --> 01:12:39.940
It's because I didn't have the right accent, right? Yeah, let's have some fish and chips. Hi
1792
01:12:40.260 --> 01:12:44.420
All right, I'm gonna stop this. Thanks a room for listening. If you liked it, please subscribe
1793
01:12:44.660 --> 01:12:47.740
You're gonna hear some other shit after this from yeah, whatever we're done
1794
01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:55.260
You've been watching whiskey web and whatnot recorded in front of a live studio audience. What the fuck are you talking about Chuck?
1795
01:12:56.100 --> 01:13:00.540
Enjoyed the show subscribe. You know people don't pay attention to these right?
1796
01:13:01.180 --> 01:13:05.620
Head to whiskey.fun for merch and to join our discord server
1797
01:13:06.180 --> 01:13:13.860
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1798
01:13:14.060 --> 01:13:16.060
All right, dude. I'm out of here
1799
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Still got it