Prediction Time with Mike Casazza

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[SPEAKER_01]: From the studio in Night Joe West Virginia, this is unreasonable doubt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a podcast about West Virginia University basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Josh Wit, and we've seen them in an open door exhibition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've heard about the private closed door.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Scrimmage is time to make predictions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's only one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try to predict what WVU's record will be at the end of the regular season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to try to break this up like I did last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've a couple of games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They outperform my expectation, which is always great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they do the same this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with the by games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's eight by games on the nine conference schedule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Five or sub 300 Ken Palm teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The highest ranked is the favorites of the Ohio Valley Conference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Little rocket, one 52.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of these are home games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Four of these eight will be without chance more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least some of these eight will be without Jackson Fields.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But both of those guys can be out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think West Virginia can win all eight of these by games, and they need to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they have ideas of making the NCAA tournament, you've got to win these Mississippi Valley State, Cop and State Mercyhurst Games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: by a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to feed the computer the right numbers and in these by games, large margins of victory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they can do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They should oblige.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see any losses in these eight games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So right off the bed, WVU, eight, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's look at the other five non-conference games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are not by games, but they're not true road games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get a home game against the guys up north.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get two games in the Charleston Classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You definitely play Climpson and you'll either play Xavier or Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Charleston Civic Center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I call it game versus Wake Forest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you take a trip to Cleveland to play Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these are the litmus tests.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to know how good West Virginia is when they play Mississippi Valley State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't get a good fill of how they play Clemson in a neutral on a neutral court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll tell us where they're at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What potential they had to play postseason basketball?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pit is on a two game winning streak in the basketball version of the backyard brawl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chance Moore is out for that game, which is not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna predict two wins out of these five, including a split in the Charleston Classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that gets West Virginia to 10 wins and three losses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we get to the big 12 schedule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You drop from 20 to 18, let's look at the teams that West Virginia has a home and home with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's three teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great that two of them are in the eastern time zone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got Cincinnati, you got Central Florida, and then your other home and away team is Kansas State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be tough to sweep,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's tough to sweep anybody in the big 12 conference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, but I'll go out and limit and say they can at least get a sweep out of those three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna go four wins and two losses out of these six games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now we're at 14 wins for WVU, five losses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's look at the home games only six big 12 opponents that you don't have to play at their place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They come to Morgan Town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the list is Kansas, Colorado, Baylor, Texas Tech, Utah, and BYU.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for those 16s predicted in the top half of the Big 12, Kansas looked amazing in their open door exhibition, versus Louisville.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a lottery pick freshman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: BYU's got probably the number one pick in the NBA draft and bring guys back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Texas Tech has the rating Big 12 player the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Baylor's done really good in Morgan Town since the game that Duce brought the house down, the game before the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Out of this group of six, these are tough opponents, Colorado will remember how the season ended in Kansas City versus Colorado.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Utah does not have Josh Eilert.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that may be the only feather in the cap of these six games, and the other feather in the cap is that they're all coming to the Hope Coliseum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's call this a split, three and three of those six teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that gets West Virginia to 17 wins in eight losses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm finishing the prediction with the tough part, which is the road only big 12 opponents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's six of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Iowa State, Houston, Arizona State, Arizona, TCU, and Oklahoma State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oklahoma State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I said that twice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Houston is a loss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't, with love and respect to the mountaineers and the Ross Hodge and everybody above, you're going to Houston and taking an L. The frog skin court is cursed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't name one player for TCU other than when I see that court, I typically see WVU lose on that court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This has not been a friendly environment for the mountaineers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Arizona, haven't played Arizona at Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be tough sledding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am in on Oklahoma State in year two of the LUTZ era.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to play fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I couldn't name anybody, pass something, let that team, he's now with Utah, but LUTZ in year two, I think they're going to be sneaky, those Cowboys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These games determine these, these six, road-only, big, 12 games are going to determine if West Virginia is going to have a postseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think West Virginia can win one, maybe two, and just because I'm beating down four coaches in four seasons, I'm gonna say they win one of these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that gets WVU to 18 and 13, eight and 10 in the big 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I'm right, WVU's a postseason team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not the one we're looking for,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a, it's a good year one and something the build one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ross Hodge no stranger to the NIT.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It that's where it ends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think as a good first season, if they win less than eight games in the big 12 conference, then there's no postseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, it's solidifies the opportunity to have a coach come back and coach two seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: mean, there's pros and cons here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to start somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if they win just like last season with the last guy and what they were able to do, if they win a couple of more games than my prediction, then they're right firm on the bubble in the mix for selection Sunday and Rossage exceeded the
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[SPEAKER_01]: can't he do it again?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he does, then it's a great year one and you're building momentum into year two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my prediction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 18 and 13, 8 and 10 in the big 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To finish out the preseason, I have a guest, he's been on once a year for the last eight years, Mike Azaza from earspores.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't ask him to predict the season record, but do ask him some prediction questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my interview with eight time guests, Mike Azaza.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Mike is as a welcome back eight time guests to unreasonable data podcast about West Virginia University basketball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I still have eligibility left in the current model.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, it's a very flowing situation, Mike, but I think you still have eligibility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Justin Harrington, not the operation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the Pavia of podcasting so my let's go big picture high level understanding I really don't understand
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[SPEAKER_01]: the exact of how this works, but the funds for college athletes Mike in my head, it's revenue sharing now, and in IL money, and maybe there's smaller things, but those are the two things you're talking about at a bunch on the football side and people that covered WVU athletics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does the math work now in the short turn for basketball?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It may be long term and is the math favorable for the basketball team to be a top half big 12 team moving
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, loaded question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for breaking me in really easy here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, here hit a half-course shot to start the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right, so you've got two different terms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have revenue sharing and you have NIO.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, it's kind of cloudy because West Virginia University can really control and contribute to both of them before there wasn't a revenue sharing all the revenue to the schools and schools couldn't give any money to student athletes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's stop that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't give them a player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not calling them student athletes anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: academic size gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have revenue sharing it and I yell and the school can control them both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And more and more it seems to me that it's just one sum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're talking about players getting X $100,000 to come here and it might be broken up into different things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a good example of this to just completely switch up on news baseball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Baseball has the most available money for revenue sharing in the big 12.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very confident that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also do a lot of stuff with the Austin grants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you remember that, that was, I forget, like a $5,400 allotment you can give to players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most big 12 schools don't do that anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: West Virginia does and West Virginia through some really clever grass roots effort and also one very notable donor has very strong and I also have academic benefits that you can get like a scholarship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens there is let's just say that West Virginia has roughly let's say let's say $600,000 in revenue sharing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say a million an NIO and let's say it's $2 million bucks because they can get up to $400,000 in all of the grants and academic grants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do they have $2 million in NIO?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do they have $2 million to pay their roster?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And really, that's all the matters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that was an eye-opening thing for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I went to a Steve Sabin speech.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get to recruit some parents and like the parents came way blown away because they were like, well, what's my son getting a revenue sharing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've heard about someone so getting this much, well, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're getting all of this money from different sources, but you're getting this money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's more than you're getting in revenue sharing or in the L another place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting these three songs that add up to more than one sum does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have to think of it that way now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as exotic in basketball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're still getting revenue sharing an NIO.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're getting more NIO and basketball and especially football because players are more noticeable visible popular, not the same in the Olympic sports and baseball, even though baseball here a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens now is what it seems to me is that Rem Baker and his people have looked at, okay, every sport, what revenue do they bring in?
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[SPEAKER_00]: let's give them roughly that percentage and red the new sharing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if football, I think football is that about 12 and a half million this year of the 20 and a half million.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In my head, that's what 60%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably responsible more than 60% of the revenue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at football, if you look at basketball, what revenue are they responsible for it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably get about that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at swimming and diving,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The revenue there, they're probably not getting a lot, but they don't need revenue sharing stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they go on the other aspects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I think the good news is here is that there's a lot of money available for basketball and perhaps more importantly, God, they're hungry for a winner here somewhere, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just somewhere, like I think the breeze was a difficult individual to really wrap your arms around in year one and maybe overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just hard because the rosters have this mercenary aspect, but look how much people
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[SPEAKER_01]: like once he's in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like came around to degrees, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who again wasn't like the warmest friend of the sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that in the football higher, there was I'm not your co-equal, but a large portion was like no way not doing this didn't like it when he left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't want to bring him back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's just like give the man 10 million bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I'm tired of losing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if there's a chance for basketball to generate revenue into win, then they'll say, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're earning more of this money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take it from football, which just went under 500 for the second season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in a way, like are there scenarios that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that is a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And more importantly, you do not need to
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[SPEAKER_00]: you don't need to pay the largest, the same fraction of a roster as you do in football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In football, how many of those players have to be really good and therefore expensive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In basketball, Rodriguez is talking eight to 10 impact recruits impact, which means big expenses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to have to get them recruiting class, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just say, between, I don't know, 15 and 20, like high dollar figure players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's basketball?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two to four?
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[SPEAKER_01]: High impact?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two to four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's easier to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then your freshman class, you're going to round out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have transfers like, I like the Moris-Ugu-Suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: acquisition or a roll guy, but you need that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want individuals who think they're the guy and should be starting in scoring 20 points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think in basketball, just logistically, it works better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need as many key parts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not as expensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do more on the NIL side, just because of visibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, the big thing is, I think that West Virginia will spend in fans will lean in if they win, because they just
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[SPEAKER_00]: Generally is like just look at baseball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a boom because the men says successful and they have the most revenue sharing money in the big 12 If you win West Virginia will I think reward you for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a long long answer No, but it makes sense and the money question leads to what Ross Hodge is trying to do now and in the future and I'm sure those funds The first thing you think of is funds is portal fines, but there's this idea of herd of Mike called retention
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say, yeah, it's a, it's a novelty in basketball in the last four years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say, Ross Hodg comes back for year two, at minimum, they're looking to replace seven, seven of the 15 roster spots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They already have a couple of freshmen commits and they're looking for more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give me your early thoughts on how Ross Hodg is trying to recruit a WVU and what can be a successful mix of freshmen recruits and working the portal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, want to look at your roster at the end of the year and say, what is our, what's our glaring need?
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[SPEAKER_00]: to make us championship calmer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's recent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you need three point shooting, I'm not sure you're breaking the bank on at five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If your interior defense is bad, I don't want another point guard because he's available and he's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that it's very difficult for me to say what the universal uniform annual approaches, because it's not going to be the same every year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think need based.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What cost you games?
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[SPEAKER_00]: or is it conversely, you know, what one you games and is that aspect missing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for next season, you're looking at, I don't know, 115 three pointers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say from honor half off their roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You might want to find the three-point shooter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that works out very well this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If if he's a guy that's going to shoot 31% this year and have a hard time getting his shot up because he's small and because he's not going to do a lot in the paint and just defense is adjust to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you rethink that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you don't need that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So your your needs or wants your strengths or weaknesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's where you direct your money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would really think that if you could mix at 50 50 and probably lean more toward the experience side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's really the way to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure where the world is now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh on talent versus experience, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I can remember when what you taught state had that like 35 of a one team and got beat by Kentucky, who had all those freshmen, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now those are two great teams, but the talent beat the experience, but you look at teams now and who's making like that Texas Tech team, talented, a lot of experience and good players that made it pretty far last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know where we're at on that, and I'm not sure that I do think that the big thing is those super seniors are gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to change a game a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really think that the schools are going to be just taxed, probably because of football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just say, why are we spending all this money?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to my school kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And somewhere about half and half split, if you did 87, 9, 6, 10, 5, and like transfers refreshment, I think 10, 5 might be too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would just like to know that I can count on my retention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to keep all your freshmen for four years highly, highly unlikely?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: if you can keep two out of four every year, that's pretty good, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then those are gonna be good players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then by the time that hopefully you keep them, there is good in a junior year senior scenario that's somebody you're bringing in, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's a lot of ways you can mold this and we're still in the empathy of it, but I do think you're probably trying a little bit more experience, but I think you're lost if you don't have retention and talent coming back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that flipping the roster every year is not sustainable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In any sport, specifically basketball, unless you're the unicorn Kentucky BYU, maybe, like these are a muscleman at Arkansas, there's acceptance to the rule, but that is not sustaining for basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to build continuity with the roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this, let me ask you this, because I've asked a question in football and I wonder what you would think in basketball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh, who is good at the portal?
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[SPEAKER_00]: who's good at it, who's proven that good at it, because muscle man, yeah, but he wears out the welcome pretty quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so it was a revolving door and Bill self struggled in the portal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to think of people who are good at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I I lean more retention side as far as you're producing and what Pope bring back with Kentucky and Texas Tech and you've got the examples of
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[SPEAKER_01]: What like feeling in the cracks with and bringing guys back top and comes back there's money there to retain guys who have a good option of do I go pro there is their comparable money to stay in college it's it's an interesting idea who does the portal well I think it's a crap shoot and recruiting period so I name doesn't come up the top of my head as far as who's good at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know people that struck out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've seen a couple of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Kazzlin seemed like he's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say his name, but there's a coach in Bloomington, Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like he did pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I just, but I look at football and like, Signetti.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That seems like a unicorn just because it's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kiffin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and again, I mean, he's not a unicorn, but he's a unique character in this, but you know, it's not, it's not working and I wonder if the same extends the basketball, but again, you don't need as many to make it work there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and just to answer your question or recruiting, I like the fact that Hodge and company are shooting high, getting guys on campus, that's a really good thing across, you know, generously for coaches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They really think that they have a good chance they can get a guy on campus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think something you got to look at too is hiring you, Seth Ali.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is your akin to a chest, their freezer hire for deliveries, and it also puts somebody from the bench into the recruiting office full-time, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get a good recruiter who's got connections, there's probably working them already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like, and you put somebody full-time at the top of the flow chart for recruiting operations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a sneaky but effective move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sneaky may not be the right work, because I think people do notice it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about scheduling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Ross odds similar to Grant McCaslin has a different approach than what we got used to with Josh Eilard behind the scenes kind of building manipulating as maybe a strong word, but figuring out how to strengthen our PI, Ken Palm, different computers, as far as boosting those non-conference schedule numbers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got this
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[SPEAKER_01]: two teams sub 200 and then the favorites in the Ohio Valley Conference little rock those are your buy game teams mixed in with some some contest non true road games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a different strategy and I don't know which is better, which is worse, I've heard you talk about how exciting can a common state Tuesday night game be in the hope call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm very interested in how and why they ended up with what is the three games and six days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, and five games and 13 days, I think their first five games last year took 24 days to play and that included a tournament.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how they did it because that's not the normal way, but you're talking to stay Thursday, Sunday to start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess that it helps you play games like that's a great way to learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it gives you three games in a bit of a run way before pit, which is not their biggest non-conference game, but it's certainly a big one that early in the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're, and I wonder if they could have, if they could have spaced things out more, but run into more quality opponents, like you're playing on Tuesday night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's available on Tuesday night?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably something you can get here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mount St. Mary's to get here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you playing on the Thursday night?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the plan on Sunday because they can't play on a Saturday, and maybe you don't want to play Thursday Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: except you just played Tuesday Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So part of me thinks that they were trying to space things out a little bit, but they could only find, um, I mean, it's better opponents that might saddle you with a loss or something like you mentioned that little rock game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a scary game, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's, that's going to be in a weird spot in the schedule like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I don't know if that's finals week or not, I'd be right before the finals week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's that's a tough one because Ohio State's right before that weak force is right after that you're thinking all right These are the big boys now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can probably sleep rock against sleepwalk against a little rock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't own thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the case there for the reason you mentioned their good team Copping state is your annual
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[SPEAKER_00]: team the place like 25 or games, and they don't do well with that mercy here, so I think it's still what second year into visual one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they sound a contract with the mercy here, so that may be why they're back, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think availability is probably what that are most of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they probably could have space things out earlier on more to get opponents that we're going to be beatable there too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it works out what to play so many games really because you play, you get in that routine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of get an tournament setting before you go to your tournament, so that helps you out a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That may make the Clemson, I don't know who they'll play in the second round, but they're going to play in a tournament there, so you kind of use that it's not new.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the great thing is that
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[SPEAKER_00]: the chance more absence last 13 days as opposed to 25 and you're playing and you probably should win four games maybe five to beat pit as opposed to taking on some heavier teams and knowing you're not going to have chance more and taking a couple losses that can hurt you because now you really got to do heavy lifting a conference play because that's 18 games now instead of 20 so it's still hard and you're going to be able to afford fewer losses because you're going to have fewer opportunities to get wins in conference play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: TV schedule, best difference this year compared to last year as far as the number of streaming games really reduced, is that a product of the big 12's current deal as far as basketball and adding TNT and adding P cock and these different things, is it based on their performance last year when you saw the TV schedule come out, what were your thoughts?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he has
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, but because of that, like there's better start times, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the more and more TV start times, they really want to make a TV package work that puts big 12 basketball on a pedestal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, everything that big 12 is looking for is a pedestal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're not the big 10 in the SDC and football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're really good in basketball, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So can we do something that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: presents us that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think TNT knows their way around basketball studio shows and analysis and certainly the broadcast games too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be doing a lot of that stuff there, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they want to have a streaming service, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the HBO Max is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can find your way on the other side, I think you're going to see a consolidation of games there and do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The peacock thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many peacock games are there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're one month apart exactly one month apart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to get to my subscription.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you did your homework on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well done, sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I'd be thinking of the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know the benefit of having multiple streaming services is unless you're getting good money for it, you hope they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then because again, everything comes down to that green paper that they feed you every once a year on that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's not it's just it's you have to look at different now it's not your traditional you know like like terrestrial television anymore you can't put the rabbit here's up and watch all the games you gotta have something you can plug in your internet and do it I just hate to see so many of that's the one thing too and I don't know if you can go all a cart in cable but you can go all the cart in your streaming services so if you're prudent you can go watch all the games um or just follow the thread at your sports.com
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[SPEAKER_01]: open door scrimmage on sunday first time we saw last season
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[SPEAKER_01]: it was Charleston and you left that game with like an obvious uh-oh rebound is going to be a problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see that glaring weakness in what we saw on Sunday besides whatever a mere jinking Jenkins was wearing on a shoulder that seemed very cumbersome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see any red flags or any concerns coming out of Sunday's exhibition game?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to pound the panic alarm on some stuff because I just like for example,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it looks like and they play together, but neither does anybody else right now, except Marilyn, Wheeling, and Wheeling in small doses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if the stuff they have with those two is pocketed for a while, that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious about Huff size, and if we'll be able to do anything inside three point line, I wonder about equal staff defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's Quincy Luzinski,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: they're good defensively because of their coach, they'll have a plan just physically, I just have concerns about the back court there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just just a thing for me, and then like Jenkins, if that's shoulder is a perpetual thing, kind of like my point guy getting in the paint, and I wonder about him trying to drive into the trees of the shoulder, or jump for loose balls, or get rebounds, or they're never on the shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's the thing that, I mean, just you saw the news conference and to have kind of say, he's going to have to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be there for a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's not great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very intrigued by Harlan Opeoha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: frankly that was that was not familiar his work and like I saw the videos of him who is Mike I mean what do you look like compared to what he looked like last year at Wilmickton it's totally like a different player yeah so that's that could be a real diamond in the rough find there too and you wonder like okay well what's he gonna do in big 12 play look at big 12 rosers looking college football rock basketball rosers how many seven foot two seventy guys out there not a whole lot and like
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Hodge made a great point, like he's seven foot to 70.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have a size advantage in most games, so who was going to match up with him equally?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, and it's not going to be very often it happens, and I wonder how many teams plan on playing with a seven footer or just have one on their bench that can come in as a counter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also don't know if he's going to be like, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is his ceiling?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to really want him getting you doubled doubles like like 15 10 every night?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like could you deal with Jimmy Bell part two?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Hodge could certainly go for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you get a guy who shoots a high percentage and no goes like 86 or something, that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I worry about though is it's just like there's freshmen and big spots right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like DJ Thomas is going to have to play a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jenkins is going to have to play a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where they'd be in the back court.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't get Jenkins to reclassify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's not supposed to be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where they'd be in the back court, who's their backup one card.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they get somebody else, but if they talked Jenkins in the reclass wine, I think it's probably because they're like, we don't have a lot of other winna ball options here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Thomas can he give you like quality four and maybe five minutes as a freshman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are two of your top right now, like you're gonna have depending on Jackson Fields, like an eight-man rotation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for five games and let's feel to the back and that's nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when work gets back it's 10 and you probably see maybe Thomas back off, but I don't know where you put Jenkins, like you can't hide him, so he's going to have to pick it up and be a winnable service will player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Hod just not against playing guys long minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see, Jasper, 40 play in 37, 38 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That wouldn't shock me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You do have to have another play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially if he gets in the foul trouble, what you're describing playing up all, you can see the fouls add up and then what are you going to do for playing B?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to ask, probably got some point guard reps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Huff can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Huggins did that every once in a while trying to figure out all right just somebody bring the ball down what that looks like with this roster It'd be interesting without Jenkins for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think more can handle it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think more like a really versatile useful piece because he can he can run and he can move with the ball
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want him playing one minute?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but could he help you out in a jam as like a point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a six six guard Could he help you out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got some skill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wonder what type of role he plays in helping them get out of trouble when they're in that those trouble spots Yeah, but more you can you can you can your mind starts going when you watch Sunday of like He could do a lot of things on the court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had but in the preseason thinking he would place minutes at the fight
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hodge kind of refuted that, but I could see that happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they go over small, I could see him playing one through five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it more is the most interesting guy on the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The most Swiss army knife they have available.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to miss him in those first five games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about rotation Mike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ross Hodge typically plays eight guys, nine guys in his two seasons at North Texas, and you talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sunday, it was nine with Jackson Fields of the B10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you take your play 10 guys and if so, or let's say they don't, what does that mean for Jaden Forsyth who came in at the end, uh, only second half minutes, uh, windfields comes back, what do you, well, I guess that's a question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Will Hodge play 10 guys?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem like it's something he, he will typically do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it has the four sites 11, that's the interesting part, and four sites, like three, three, it's an exhibition game, but it not gives you that Jonathan Powell vibe of the freshman who could shoot the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's had this collective talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So do you really want to go to your 9th and 10th player at North Texas, especially with the pace they play?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how much the pace they play was because I want to go to my 9th and 10th guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if it'd be different here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's something that makes me think if he's got 10 guys, can he pick it up a little bit?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could it be more aggressive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably gonna have to score to win in the big 12.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, can he find some ways there too?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think ultimately that fields will cut into Thomas's minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Thomas could play some five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, he's listed at six seven, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's six seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's probably six eight closer to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No way, he's six seven, probably.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, that's probably one of those things are not telling anybody, too, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw on the WV website.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's listed now 69 is he.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know when that change But to get out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that has to be recent because everybody's like he's not six seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's one guy that feels may cut into his fields has played the five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They talked about fields playing the five, but those guys could do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it depends on his player, but like that, there's your nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, again, I can't think that Jenkins is going anywhere, more as a player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fields has some experience, Thomas is your nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could foresight get you out of a jam if you're, if you're seeing a zone or if, if you need to make up points, if it's bad because your shot selection is a good, could he go beyond it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's a regular player right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm burning, Evan's burning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm going to reclassify, so why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe because he didn't, I don't know, like, I mean, is he, is he here because of a Canadian connection he has who just happens to be hired as a hate assistant coach now, possibly I just don't see him in it, oh, you dare, I don't see him making it unless they get an injury or serious foul trouble in the post or if they're just not doing anything and then one had to come and mix it up, but like those are guys that are just, and we're talking to scenarios in situations here, not customary, so I think you're looking at nine, I don't know how they get to 10 though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who is the equivalent of the Canadian center from last year's team that just came in spots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll find out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's play over and under.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're familiar with this game of the 2025, 2026 basketball season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just telling you what happened last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I went back and listened to your answers on the over and under one and four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: one for one for five in the in the right rock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the year to make it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, when I get right, I thought I got them all wrong last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I get right, you even you predicted a technical for the last coach and that didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you get right the rotation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I put the rotation at nine and a half and you said way under and you're absolutely right on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So and you're going to get all these five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One and a half.
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[SPEAKER_01]: WBU players who make first team, second team, or our will mention at the end of the year for Big 12, over or under.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have many players that put in this team now, is it like eight, eight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they do eight and eight, and then a long list for honorable mention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, geez.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, that you got to go over for kind of honorable mention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they had just
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, talk about what it, yes, it's armed in a fall off, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's too fair enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's, let's, yeah, over under one and a half WVU players who finish a season shooting over 40% from three under him, because there's two coming in,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and orient, technically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did shoot a ton of threes, but made a 50% of them last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you come in with three, so you're saying under.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I wonder about half equal staff's been a volume score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Ubisoft, yeah, I mean, yeah, but I wonder if I'll get the minutes and the reps to do it, but I just, I would not bet on two or more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the healthy number?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Put like so's 38.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Over under 0.5 games that WVU wins in the Charleston Classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: fond memories of playing Clemson in the Charleston classic the rare technical for six guys on the court.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll never forget that over under seven and a half big 12 conference rooms for WVU this coming season this is when you got wrong last year you went under I think it no I think it was eight and a half and you went under and I don't I don't blame you that I think we did say
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[SPEAKER_01]: bubble team if they can overachieve and they've got the 10 last season seven and a half and a 18 game schedule over under.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is really interesting because I've been looking out a little bit and like I just I'm not in love with the big 12 this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think yeah I like so all right well I don't know what we're dealing with but can this is sixth in the big 12 which is like what this must be a loaded conference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I mean it's it's Texas tech.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Houston the juggernaut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Iowa State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's BYU was ahead of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One game against BYU.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One game against Texas tech.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it may use some twice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One game against Iowa State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It may use some twice or once I can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who WBU?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They only go to Houston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this is like, I like their big 12 schedule to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm looking at like Utah, TCU, UCF, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, twice UCF twice, like there's some wins in there, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that don't, I don't think they have the heaviest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fairly good schedule for the big 12.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say that very quietly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That starts brutally like the start is rough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's Iowa State, Kansas, Cincinnati, Arizona trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All that's happening early on that it's a rough start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once you get past that, it doesn't seem like there's a crazy stretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have, I have like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's my notes here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three of four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it starts at Iowa State, Cincinnati at home, Kansas at home at Houston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say they go one of three there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know the next three are?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Call it out as an estate and call it out as the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hate Kansas State's team just from what I've seen and heard like you're looking at like they could very well be like four and four after the first eight games and they play four ranked teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then it gets kind of like a bailer probably going to be good, but it's here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to go to Cincinnati, the tech stack is here that you see if you talk TCU Oklahoma State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just, if they're good, they have a chance to clean up some wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my point here is I'm being optimistic about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think seven and a half is a really interesting number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they can do it over because I just like their schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm buying the fact that they got a break, not intentionally, but just the way that the schedule will happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some teams here that I just don't believe in, but I also could see somebody saying, sweet, we got West Virginia twice, sweet, we got West Virginia coming to town, and maybe that's not, maybe that's the pushover, but maybe I'm wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say they could probably pull late in 10 year, but it's going to be very close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why we got seven and a half and in last question over under one and a half seasons that Ross Hodge is the head coach for WVU basketball over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He likes four coaches in four years, I know if it's a Ross Hodge and I do get vibes that he's going to stick around at least for two seasons, but history tells me it's been a rough go here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I believe he likes it here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is not from West Virginia, but he seems like he likes a lot of the stuff and just why the first my madam, it was an Indianapolis, the semifinal for the final four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was talking about how much he loved living in Colorado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I know it's not West Virginia, but like mountains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love hiking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's where I discovered I want to be outdoors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see all the wilderness because I'm really looking for it at West Virginia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would keep an eye on the Paris Junior College opening, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just wonder like, I mean, I mean, you got to make him say, no, play there, coach there, like what if what a pair of senior comes open, he's like, I, you know, I got to go home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this retention idea, you got to come back for a second season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we, and we haven't had a guy do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The, the Cadlet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guy will not name for two weeks be line and then Huggins over 30 years Mike and then four and four seasons ready to get back to some continuity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope you hit that over, Mike is as always.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for joining me on unreasonable doubt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it for this episode of Unreasonable Down.
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