Spotlight on Uncertainty: Joyful Curiosity (Part 1)

Spotlight on Uncertainty: Joyful Curiosity (Part 1) (中文往下👇）

Welcome to the Uncertain Pathfinders (UP) podcast, where we ask listeners, guests, and the hosts to invite Uncertainty and unlock possibility. This episode is breaking new ground for a number of reasons :

• The first episode where the host and UP founder, Jeffrey, records solo without a co-host

• We break the episode up into two parts, where we invite a guest from abroad to record remotely (licenced Art Therapist, Stephy Hsu (Yi-Hsuan)

• We go with an entirely different structure

On part one of this two-part episode, we invite three professionals from the mental health industry to join us in the studio. They are mindfulness practitioner, John Ho, mindfulness facilitator and MBSR instructor, Joanna Chen, and founder of New Life and Certified Health and Wellness Consultant, Bernice Chai. Rather than going with our usual format, the three of them join Jeffrey in the studio to help shine a spotlight on a story that applies a successful case-study of inviting Uncertainty to produce magical moments and valuable professional contributions. 

John Ho, who resides in Portland, Oregon, took a chance and submitted a mindful session proposal for the COSCUP Taiwan 2025 tech conference.  And to his surprise, it was accepted by the organizer team and furthermore, he was given a 3 hour time slot. After earning that honor, John made the bold decision to reach out to the three other guests on today’s episode (as well as Stephy and Jessie Chang, founder of HealYou, and another previous guest on the UP podcast). At the time, John had briefly met Jessie in Taiwan over coffee chats and only knew the others from their online presence. He made the uncharacteristic choice to connect with all of them, and invited Uncertainty by asking them if they would like to co-lead a 3 hour session at the tech conference.

This episode highlights what happens when 5 strangers invited Uncertainty and said yes to unlocking possibilities of working together on a specific project. This episode is the first time they have come back together since that experience. They share what was going through their mind throughout the experience, and how the overall process has changed their views on Uncertainty in a positive note.

Below are more links related to the episode:

• www.uncertainpathinders.com

• https://www.instagram.com/uncertainpathfinders/

• John Ho’s Linkedin:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnho/

• Bernice Chai’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernicechaiwellness/

• Joanna Chen’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannachen-yunchih/

• Stephy Hsu’s Linkdedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yi-hsuanhsu/

• Jessie Chang’s Linkedin:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/taofang-chang/

• HealYou: https://www.healyou.io/

Thanks again for listening. Please be sure to leave any comments about the episode, and we look forward to part 2 with Stephy as we lead up to Mental Health Awareness month in May. If you are interested in connecting with UP for 1-1 career or life coaching, or if your organization is interested in workshops focusing on inviting Uncertainty, embracing Failure, and constructive conflict through applied improv and nonviolent communication (NVC), please contact us through our pathfinders connection form: (https://forms.gle/J8qLqKsLferEZk8f8 ) or e-mail at uncertainpathfinders@gmail.com . Let’s continue to Invite Uncertainty and unlock possibility!

🌿 不確定焦點：喜悅的好奇心（上）
歡迎來到 Uncertain Pathfinders（UP）播客，在這裡，我們邀請聽眾、來賓與主持人，一起邀請「不確定」，並解鎖更多可能性。
這一集對我們來說具有多重突破的意義：

• 這是主持人暨 UP 創辦人 Jeffrey 首次單獨錄製，沒有共同主持人

• 本集分為上下兩部分，並邀請來自海外的來賓遠端錄音（持證藝術治療師 Stephy Hsu（Yi-Hsuan））

• 我們採用了全新的節目結構

在這個兩集系列的上集，我們邀請了三位來自心理健康領域的專業人士來到錄音室。他們分別是：
正念練習者 John Ho、正念引導師暨 MBSR 講師 Joanna Chen，以及 New Life 創辦人暨認證健康與健康顧問 Bernice Chai。
不同於以往的節目形式，這一集三位來賓與 Jeffrey 一同聚焦在一個故事上——一個透過「邀請不確定」而創造出奇妙時刻與專業價值的成功案例。
居住在美國俄勒岡州波特蘭的 John Ho，曾大膽嘗試，向 COSCUP Taiwan 2025 科技大會 提交一場以正念為主題的提案。令他驚喜的是，該提案不僅被主辦單位採納，還獲得了一個長達三小時的時段。
在獲得這個機會之後，John 做出了一個大膽的決定——他主動聯繫本集的三位來賓（以及 Stephy 和 HealYou 創辦人、曾上過 UP 播客的 Jessie Chang）。當時，John 只是在台灣與 Jessie 有過簡單的咖啡交流，而對其他人則僅止於網路上的認識。

他選擇跨出這一步，主動建立連結，並邀請「不確定」——詢問他們是否願意共同帶領這場三小時的工作坊。本集呈現了當五位原本幾乎互不相識的人，選擇邀請不確定並說「是」，共同投入一個具體合作時，會發生什麼樣的故事。這也是他們在那次經驗之後，首次再次聚在一起。他們分享了整個過程中的心境變化，以及這段經歷如何正向地改變了他們對「不確定」的看法。
🔗 相關連結

• 官方網站：www.uncertainpathinders.com

• Instagram：https://www.instagram.com/uncertainpathfinders/

• John Ho 的 LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnho/

• Bernice Chai 的 LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernicechaiwellness/

• Joanna Chen 的 LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannachen-yunchih/

• Stephy Hsu 的 LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/yi-hsuanhsu/

• Jessie Chang 的 LinkedIn：https://www.linkedin.com/in/taofang-chang/

• HealYou：https://www.healyou.io/

再次感謝你的收聽！
歡迎留言分享你對本集的想法，我們也期待在下一集（下集）與 Stephy 一起，迎接五月的心理健康意識月。
如果你有興趣與 UP 進行 1 對 1 的職涯或人生教練合作，
或你的組織有興趣舉辦以「邀請不確定」、「擁抱失敗」，以及透過應用即興與非暴力溝通（NVC）來促進建設性衝突的工作坊，
歡迎透過我們的 Pathfinder 聯繫表單與我們聯絡：
👉 https://forms.gle/J8qLqKsLferEZk8f8
或來信：uncertainpathfinders@gmail.com
讓我們一起持續邀請不確定，並解鎖更多可能性！ 🌿

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