The 2025 Sky Fire Summit - From Secrecy to Transparency _ 80 years of UFO Truths Revealed

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UAP Unidentified Anomalist phenomena. Are they extraterrestrial, inter dimensional time
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travelers in origin or are they simply a result of
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top secret military projects, false flag alien invasions, silent drones
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or other human made aircraft. Join the discussion now on
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UAP Crossfire.
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Welcome everybody to UAP cross Fire, where four alpha males
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decide the biggest question in the universe is Donny Eckert
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an alien? And then after that aliens do exist? So
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before we go any fire there, hey, first thing I
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want to do is give a little bit of a
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shout out to our guest, to Jennifer Stein. What I
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want to do is play this Sonoma Summit thing. It's
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a great thing that she's going to be involved with.
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I want to play it right now so we can
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get that out there to all the audience.
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Hold on from mystery to transparency. The Skyfire Summit twenty
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twenty five lands in Sedona Friday, October seventeenth for four
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days to reveal the truth about UFOs and honor Travis
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Walton on his upcoming fiftieth anniversary of his famous UFO
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encounter from nineteen seventy five. Visit sedonahmofon dot org for
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details about the Skyfire Summit twenty twenty five. There is
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only one fiftieth anniversary. It won't happen again. Don't miss it.
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Join us and help us change history.
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Folks, if you got the opportunity, and I would highly
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recommend you go to it.
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It is an amazing thing.
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With Jennifer Stein, Travis Walton and the rest of the
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crew that's going to be there, you will learn a
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lot and you'll have a lot of fun. Those people
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are a lot of fun. View Travis Walton several times
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and and talk to him off the record, and he's
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a great guy. And Jennifer Stein. There's nobody better than
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Jennifer Stein. Well maybe Donnie Eckert, but you know from there. Well,
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let's introduce everybody here. So to the side of me,
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I'm not gonna point because I always point in the
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ruined direction. And Carlson, we also know him as the Padre. Padre,
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give me one of those. I need a blessing for
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tonight so I can get through it.
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There you go. How are things going there, Padre?
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Things are good. It's been great and the Black Hills
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of Fall Colors are gorgeous. We've been eighties and it's
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just wonderful. I went fishing this morning, got my limit,
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and now I'm back here, all sunburned and ready to talk.
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UAP, what you what'd you catch?
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I got my limit of bluegills?
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Really?
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Yeah?
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Sunfish, panfish, I got it.
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I got a tuna.
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You got a tuna?
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Yeah?
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It's the supermarket. They had him on sale.
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They got one of those down there, says And of
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course right below my man Padre is Commander Kobra, our
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ace pilot.
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Commander, how are you tonight?
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Things are well? A little tired long trek for the
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last couple.
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Of weeks to Can you tell us where you've been?
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Yeah?
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I was out in Oklahoma at Tinker Air Force Base,
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and then I was not at Eglin Air Force Base
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after that?
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Yeah? Wow, are you going to be going out anyplace else?
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I'll probably back out in Tinker in October for a
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follow up meeting.
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Awesome.
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For those who don't know that Commander Cobra is still
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a pilot, he I want to thank him.
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For his service.
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He still does service for this country, and so kudos
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to Commander Cobra, and.
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Of course.
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The best that comes the last, isn't it my man
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who's come back on the show with a new computer?
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He sounds great, he looks great.
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Bye man, Donnie accored, Hello Donnie, how are you?
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I believe I think we have sixty four bit on
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this computer. I think it's a lot, really Sinclair that
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he was using.
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Really yeah, yeah, Well it was an old Amiga, you know,
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an old Omega, back back in the day of Mega.
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But no, I uh.
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First off, I wasn't here for two weeks. I profusely apologized.
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Believe me, it wasn't my idea. And by the time
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we got it all shaken out, I had taken my
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other computer, the one that blew.
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Up to the Geeks squad.
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We're supposed to be absolutely phenomenal PC guys, right wrong.
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I went in there. The guy said, what's the problem?
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I said, well, my sound system blew up?
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And what's weird?
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I mean, this is not my first rodeo, guys, I've
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been personal computing since nineteen eighty seven, I said. I
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went in trying to find the stuff so I could
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reinitialize it.
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It's telling me I don't have anything.
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But yet when I go into my settings, it says
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my audio is great. Okay, so they take it. I'm
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sitting there for an hour and a half. He comes
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back out. He said, well, your sound system is shot.
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That'll be one hundred bucks. Never again will I ever
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go to the geek squad.
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I'm telling you.
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Say that happens when you hang out in those bad
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chat rooms.
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Oh hey, I know, I know. But anyway, this one
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seems to be doing great. So we're keeping our fingers crossed.
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And I saw Padre give the sign of the Cross.
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Thank you for that, Padre. I'm going to accept some
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of that for the computer, and.
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Up here to mount for yourself too, Dopy shy.
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Yeah, you need a little bit of that cross.
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In fact, later on.
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After the show, you can put your hand on the
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screen and we'll do a blessing like they used to
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do on the radio shows.
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You'll blame you now if the screen blows up or
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burst out. Heard the power of Christ. I'm just trying
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to help it. They're done.
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We needed that when we were exercising the computer two
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weeks ago, so we don't need that now now we
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need you know, we need the blessings.
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That's what we all, right, But I'm still eating oatmeal.
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Sooner or later. We're going to get back to regular
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food after I paid.
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I'm sure after this show will kick right back in.
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Don I bet you you got the first nickel you
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ever had.
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I think he was doing bitcoin with the other computer.
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And that's all he's got to He's got to have
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a safe somewhere in that house, behind a picture somewhere.
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He goes, I never know the money. All right, Well, listen,
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enough of this. We gotta get on with the show.
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So I want to first introduce a person that I
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highly respect highly, a Meyer. She is a fantastic lady.
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Let me just I just.
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Wish she was a little bit more uppy the pre show.
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She just I don't know. I'm hoping that she's a
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little bit more uppy for the show.
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You gotta insult her before we bring.
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Her all hour, before you say something negative. I mean,
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we get there, she goes, she's gone. Never mind anyways, So,
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as I was saying, I think.
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The other button, Chris hit the other button. That's the
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one that brings her up. I don't hit the buttons.
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Bill does.
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But I want to introduce her, for for God's sake.
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She's a wonderful lady. As I was saying she is
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the Sedona State Section Director from Moufan don you know
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about that program? Jennifer has served as the Sylvania State
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Section Director also in two thousand and two. Professionally, Jennifer
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evolved into a documentary filmmaker, creating three award winning documentaries
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on the UFO subject It Could Happen Tomorrow, part of
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the Disclosure Dialogue of twenty eleven, Travis The True Story
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of Travis Walton, who will be our second guest on
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Tonight and let me tell you He's a great guy
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and stuff, and the twenty twenty three film Accidental True Now.
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She is best known for her film and working with
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Travis The True Story of Travis Walton, and she produced
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that in twenty fifteen. She has a studio of her
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own called on Wings Production. She's a woman of many talents.
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I can't There's a not so much I could say
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about her, but it would take a whole hour of
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the show. And then, of course there's going to be
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Travis Walton on our show tonight. Travis was a timberlogger,
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And for those who don't know Travis Walton, let me
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just explain that Travis was a timber lagger, in the
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Sick Graves National. I had to put that on a
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piece of paper because I couldn't pronounce the word. I
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tried all day. In nineteen seventy five, on November fifth,
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a crew of seven loggers encountered a disshaped draft of
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unknown origin hovering about twenty feet.
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Above the forest floor. And at the end of the day.
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While they were exiting the Turkey Springs Valley, where they
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had been working for the past month on the conclusion
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of the forestry contract, as they drove on a roughly
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cleared forest trail up to the top of the Mongolian
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Rim or whatever that is.
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They drove by a clearing.
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On a small ridge, and there they encountered a UFO,
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and of course Travis says, hey, I want.
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To investigate this a little more.
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Inside of the truck goes to an area fairly close
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to the UFO, and there's all kinds of different things.
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The one I believe happened is that some static electricity
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hit the craft. The stuff hit the hit the craft,
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and when the electric and he hit the craft, it
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bounced and hit Travis and it knocked him for a loop.
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Pico.
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It's probably either dead.
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Or almost dead and actually the aliens abducted him and
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brought him back to life. He was under their medical
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control for days and when he woke up he had
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a surprise that it wasn't the doctors or the hospital,
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it was actually on a craft. So let's bring Travis up. Hello, Travis,
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how are you today? Hello, nice to join you, Nice
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to join you. You know, we met years ago. We
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had a wonderful conversation at the California Move On Symposium.
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I never forgot that, Travis. It was one of the
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highlights of my career and move On. And of course, Jennifer,
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there isn't anything that I can say about you other
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than you were one of the best people I've ever met.
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So with that, I want you to how did you
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get involved with productions, Jennifer.
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Well, I used to be an event coordinator and I
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did weddings and environmentss and corporate parties, and I started
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to film them as part of the event that I
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was doing. I would film it for my own purposes
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to sell the next job, because video is worth, you know,
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a million dollars or words when you know pictures are
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just worth you know, they say about were a thousand
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dollars but you know, film's worth more. So I started
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to play with home video camera equipment of course when
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my kids were little, and I got just I developed
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technical skills. Over the years of doing that, I also
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did a lot of nonprofit work for schools and charities
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and churches, not only as an event coordinator but as
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a filmmaker. And I just finally realized that, oh, I
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guess I've got film skills. And when I met Pravist,
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and I met other people like Stanton Friedman and Martin
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and you know, many other people in the UFO field,
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Peter Robbins, which Dolan, I started to do some film
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work with them as well.
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And one thing, pardon, how did you meet Travis Jennifer Well.
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I was first introduced with him by Peter Robbins. I
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was Peter robbins assistant at the twenty ten roswelld UFO Festival,
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and I was kind of like a gal Friday. I
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ran around and picked people up at the airport and
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you know, put up flyers and you know, gut waters
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and did whatever. And we had dinner with Travis at
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the end of the conference, and we all looked at
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Travis and said, you know, your experience is as significant
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as the roswelld event, and you know, maybe you should
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have a conference yourself celebrating the fortieth anniversary. So I
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ended up getting involved in doing some film prep in
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advance at that fortieth anniversary conference, which I sort of
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helped to coordinate, but actually Karen Brard took it on
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and did a fabulous job. But I ended up realizing
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I had enough stuff for a film out Travis and
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the loggers. So that's when I made the documentary.
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You have done a fabulous job. You know.
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That documentary I watched and it was fabulous. And then
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I watched Fire in the Sky, which actually done by
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and I rather see your documentary than Fire in the Sky.
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I think that was so much better.
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Well, we specifically did it, Chris, because no one had
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nobody in Hollywood did a decent film about history yet,
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and we're hoping that they might in the Teacher, but
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we thought a quality documentary was really in line with
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the fortieth anniversary. So I kind of stepped up to
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the bat and put that hat on. After I kind
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of took the hat for coordinating the conference off my
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plate and pass back to someone else and just focused
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on making a documentary because that stands the test of time.
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like performance art, right, it's an event, it's for a
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weekend and it's done and gone. But a film you
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can always pull out and show again, and you can
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put up on various streaming channels. So it's now in
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multiple languages at screens around the world. Film Hub is
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our distributor, and they've done a wonderful job really promoting
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his story around the world, especially in light of the
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fiftieth anniversary this year.
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The fiftieth anniversary hard to believe is amazing. You know,
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here's the thing that Fire in the Sky did, and
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I thought this is terrible that what they did was
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they didn't really tell Travis's story because when we talked,
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there was so much more to his story about, you know,
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him being in a really in a Scout ship. He
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was didn't realize he was in that was an anger
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bay for many Scout ships, and he actually had a
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fight with the little aliens, you know, I mean, you know,
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he was swinging away and everything else that never was
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in the story. He wasn't a afraid. He says, come on,
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let's go let's take it on and stuff. So all
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that stuff you brought out in the documentary, well, let
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me introduce Travis. Travis, thank you for having me on
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the show tonight. Your story is one of the most
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authentic abduction stories I have ever heard. I got a
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chance to talk to you. It was amazing, and there's
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so much more to that story than people realize.
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And yeah, and it's new. Stuff comes out occasionally with
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Jennifer's definitely including a lot of stuff that never got
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done before.
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Oh I know, and let me just ask this before
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I pass it on to my teammates. Here, do you
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find that your memory has been repressed and that it's
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slowly starting to come back of the whole thing?
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No, my thing, My memory is pretty much the same.
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It's traumatics. I don't like to go there, but blame
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you just for interviews and then then I go back
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to an ordinary life.
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All right, Well, let me start with Commander Cobo. Commander,
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so we got Travis and Jennifer have done the documentary
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obviously is one of the most famous abduction cases.
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Absolutely well, Jennifer was a real pleasure to meet you
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off air before we came in. And of course Chris
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thought I was trying to be a smart ass when
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I said that, hopefully that you would maybe pick up
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just a little bit on the personality.
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First.
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It's obviously you're very engaging, and I liked the work
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as the prep for the show, some pretty dramatic stuff.
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And you did talk about a move On in Pennsylvania
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that's going to be in Bucks County for October this
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weekend the conference, and if you go move On, Pa,
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you can look it up and anybody who drops me
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an email tonight tomorrow, I'll connect it up with Jennifer
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and for that event. Now, Travis and I met.
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Here in the New England States a few years back,
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and Travis, I don't think you'd probably remember you very well.
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You were very very professional, very very nice person and
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I found you very genuine right from the start. And
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one of the things that we spoke briefly about. I
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was a little bit younger, it was about fourteen when
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you had your experience, but I remember the kind of
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the things that came out shortly after you were found
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and it made the news and the whole UFO, and well,
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of course Firing the Sky was the original movie was
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something that really left me wanting to find out more,
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and then I was able to pick up the various
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books over the years and then meet you. But the
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one thing I'm always going to say is you've been
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very consistent and very genuine every time I've heard you speak,
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and to me, that is a critical factor in this.
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And then the other pieces of evidence has come out
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over the years that I'd like you to react to.
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The I believe it's the hunter and his wife that
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saw similar things in there, and I believe there's probably
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even more witnesses or records of witnesses in the past
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that have left it that hasn't quite circa shit. That's
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why revisiting this not from the more painful aspects of
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what you went through, but what's gone on, And to me,
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it's the what happened in the aftermath. I mean, I
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think it's it's it's logical that people that looked at
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this look for a very simple, straight line answer that
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you know that foul play was engaged and went forward.
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I can understand that, but there tends to be a
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kind of a more sinister or more programmed kind of
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way to dissuade this, which immediately makes me and I
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think my other hosts think that there's something more happening here.
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And the final thing I'll put up, My wife was
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with me.
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Rarely makes these kinds of these kinds of visits and
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shows and conferences, but she got a chance to talk
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to She's originally from the West herself, and she's a pretty.
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Good judge of character, except with me.
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I don't know how she got I pulled the wall
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over her eyes with me, but she's was really impressed
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how absolutely genuine.
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And nice you work, you know, And she didn't really
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know much about the story. She knew a little bit
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about it, so I put a lot of weight in
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that because she's a pretty good surveyor diviner of those
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kinds of things. So it's great to talk to you again, and.
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I'm good to talk to you.
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I'm curious in one area your reaction is to what
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other information you think might come out.
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Well, you know, the skeptics didn't survive the test of
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time as time went on and came out that they
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had just flat fabricated things to try to discredit the case.
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But some other interesting things came up were discovered, you know,
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evidence at the site that wasn't immediately discovered The effect
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that the presence of that craft had on the growth
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of the trees near there was pretty phenomenal, pretty definite.
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You know, you don't get growth rings on a tree
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just willy nilly this. You know that you're here here,
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the tree is eighty five years old, and then in
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fifteen years it doubles in diameter.
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Right, That's not something that's easily explained, especially in that.
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One growth ring per year with trees. But these were
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much thicker growth rings suddenly, And then it turned out
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that that growth was primarily dominantly on the side of
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the tree towards where the craft had been relative to
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the tree.
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Well, in our I was gonna say, excuse me one
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secondary in our chat room, one of our folks in
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the chat room, Travis, how long did it take for
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you to adjust to your experience? And I think that
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that's a fairly involved question. Delve into it as as
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you want, But I have always been amazed from your experience,
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how well you have shared it over the years.
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Well, initially I didn't even tell my brother the details
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of what I had experienced. It was just too traumatic.
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But the turning point was the hypnosis. It was done
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with a technique allowing me to go back there as
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an observer rather than as someone who's experience in it,
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and that isolation from the circumstances there spared me the
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incredible fear that had gone on during my experience. So
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that was a turning point for me, and that was
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the first time that I had told anybody what had
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happened aboard the craft.
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Audrey, Well, nice to meet you, Travis. I am a
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former meteorologist turned pastor and have a background in Earth's science.
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So the tree ring video that I saw on YouTube
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where you went back to the site and we're showing
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the aberrant tree ring growth, it's a remarkable visual. I
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don't know that I've ever seen anything like that in
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a tree, and I've certainly cut down a number of
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trees in my day. I wanted to ask you how
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many trees did you find the aberrant ring growth on
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and where were they in relation.
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To Well, just just the trees closest to the edge
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of the clearing where the craft had descended, and the
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effect quickly faded the farther into the woods that you
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got there, and this stimulation of growth. There was another case.
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It was the Chernobyl nuclear accident, the dispersal of radiation
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in that area. There was actually a scientific paper published
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about the accelerated growth that these trees experienced. And it's
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interesting because you would expect radiation to kill living things,
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you know, to maybe cause the trees to wither and die,
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but no, it caused them to grow more rapidly. It's
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some kind of response to injury, I'm sure, but that
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was an interesting discovery to see a scientific paper published
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on the radiation effects on the Scott's pine tree species
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surrounding the Chernobyl nuclear accident.
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You've referenced radiation a couple of times. Have you yourself
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had any tests done for any radiation poison or you've
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had any effects that might point to your exposure to radiation?
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Yeah, I think so. I think that that was born out.
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I expected negative health effects, but it was actually quite
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the opposite. Over the the next period of years, even
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though I was pushing myself very hard, long hours to
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sort of forget what had happened, I never got sick.
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I never called in sick one time during that ten
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or fifteen years after it happened, and that was contrary
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to my expectations. But it was quite a relief that
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I was actually extra healthy rather than extra plagued with
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some sort of effect.
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You know, that of itself is very rare for someone
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to go that long without getting sick. Do you attribute
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possibly some benefit effect to the Yeah, it.
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Was just some kind of some kind of overcompensation. I
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think these beings took me board in order to repair
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the damage that had occurred, and as a side effect,
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apparently maybe just help me just resist, you know, common
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calls and things of that nature.
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Interesting, don What do you have to say?
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Well, first, I want to welcome both Travis and Jennifer
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to the show. It's a distinct pleasure to have you
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both on. And Travis, I don't know if you will recall,
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because I am sure by now you have done, if
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not hundreds, many hundreds of interviews, radio and what have
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you over the years. But back in the nineties, when
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I was the director of research for UFO Magazine and
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my wife was the publisher, I had you on, I
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believe at least twice on my radio program UFOs Tonight
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back in the nineties.
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Do you buy chance recall any of that?
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Probably not many of them, too many of them.
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Yeah, that's that's what I thought, well, at any rate,
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one of my very close friends out here, and he
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just passed away a little over a year ago.
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Travesy, you knew him very well. And when I tell you.
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Who he was, I'm sure you'll know what I mean.
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Was mister Tracy Tormee. Oh yeah, Tracy was the guy
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that brought us Fire in the Sky.
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Yeah.
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And as a as a kind of a humorous side note,
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back when that was premiering, okay, Firing the Sky was
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coming out, the movie studios.
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Did a europe In.
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Contest of sorts and they asked a series of questions
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about primarily the UFO topic, and the winners were brought
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to the United States, and believe it or not, I
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was the grand prize. I took them all up to
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the National Forest where the incident happened, and I'll never
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forget that. It was a heck of a trip and
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we had a good time. One of the guys that
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came over was the equivalent of a city councilman.
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Okay.
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He was a brit And one night we were outside
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the motel where we were all staying, and he brought
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out a flask of Irish whiskey and we sat out
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there and polished that flash off, that flash off, So it.
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Was a lot of fun.
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But the other thing I wanted to mention, you and
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Mike Rogers appeared on Larry King Live. Yeah, okay, and
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I actually not personally, but I knew Larry King. I
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had been on a show probably six times or so.
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But Larry was one of the only people other than
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the strip television, of course, which was all pre tape,
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but he had live shows and could take calls literally
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everywhere around the globe that CNN was fed into. And
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on this night, you and Mike Rogers were on there,
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of all people, my dear old friend Philip Klass. Yeah,
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and I'll never forget. I think it was Mike Rogers,
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although it might have been you, but I think it
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was Rogers that accused class.
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Of being a government agent or asset.
492
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Now, when that happened, he did the same thing on
493
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Larry King Live, which was in a way shocking that
494
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.359
he did on my radio show when I challenged him
495
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.759
on something, he blew up and he called Mike Rogers said,
496
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:36.960
Mike Rogers, you got a goddamn liar.
497
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.240
Do you remember that?
498
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:46.079
Yeah? I remember that total profanity on national television yeah,
499
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.119
and he just totally ignored me and went after Mike.
500
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.720
It was really strange because in all those years he
501
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:59.359
wrote parts of several books to try to discredit the
502
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.519
incident and never attempted to talk to me a single time.
503
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.920
Oh hey, just call me up. But he never bothered.
504
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:12.160
Of course, he badgered Mike Rogers and some of the
505
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:17.720
other crewmen like Steve Pearce, but never I thought it
506
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.440
was very curious he didn't think that he ought to
507
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.559
at least try to trick me, you know, call me up.
508
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:28.240
Well, he wrote a book on abductions and never interviewed
509
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.279
one person claiming the abduction experience.
510
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:34.039
So yeah, I phil.
511
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.799
Class was well, he was no Class Act, I'll just
512
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:37.319
say that.
513
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:39.599
But well, at any rate.
514
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:45.559
The final chapter in that is uncovering somebody else applied
515
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:51.119
through the FOIFO. Yeah, Freedom of Information Act the FBI's
516
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:55.799
investigation of Philip Class and there was like twenty five pages,
517
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.920
much of it blacked out, that investigated him, I guess
518
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:06.759
for revealing the classified information to our enemies. You know
519
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:11.400
that he had accordered through his job as editor of
520
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.680
Aviation Week and Space Technology.
521
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.480
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I was gonna I was going
522
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:21.519
to bring that up. Yes, you're absolutely correct. Well at
523
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.519
any rate, it's great to have you on here. I'm
524
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:25.119
looking forward to the rest of the show.
525
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:31.119
Chris Well, Travis, there's a This is just amazing. There's
526
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:32.759
a few questions I want to ask. I want to
527
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.160
start with, you know, after you may have been exposed
528
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.559
to the radiation from the you know, the trees did
529
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:43.319
and everything and stuff, did you ever get a physical
530
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:47.319
afterwards and did some blood work come back.
531
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.920
Did the doctor say, hey, I don't know what's wrong.
532
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.359
With you, but the blood work is kind of screwy,
533
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:56.960
or an EEG was done or any Yeah, there.
534
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:02.119
Was in order to preserve the objectivity of the investigation.
535
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:09.920
The the technician it is an important UH brain injury
536
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:17.400
hospital in Phoenix, Arizona, UH the Barrows Neurological and they
537
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.519
had done a brain scan on me, and the technician
538
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.880
was not told that I was the guy that was
539
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:30.039
in the news, just to keep you know, his his
540
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:37.799
UH measurements on on this brain scan objective. And there
541
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:44.400
was an oddity in the brainway scan. There's something that
542
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.279
UH I still have The report is something like uh
543
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:56.559
bicynchron his alternating wave alternating from front to back, but
544
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:05.160
subsequent uh RE heat of the EEG m R I
545
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.320
did not reveal that that it was that it had
546
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.440
disappeared in the meantime, So apparently some kind of residual
547
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.079
injury effect that disappeared.
548
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.360
Did Did any of the blood work come back abnormal
549
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.159
or something that may have been different from what you've
550
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:25.760
had before?
551
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:33.719
I think that came back as normal. I can't, I can't.
552
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.239
Yeah, Jennifer's shaking her head saying, yeah, this came back normal,
553
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.519
because that's interesting that the EG came back with, you know,
554
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:48.559
an anomaly that you know it can't be explained. But also, Travis,
555
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.599
we talked about this before and very few people know
556
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:53.039
about this.
557
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.199
But you've had more than one encounter, right.
558
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:03.119
I guess you could say that, Yeah, I tried to
559
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:09.639
stick to things I can prove. There's no good to
560
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:11.880
talk about anything where I want it.
561
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.039
So I mean, can you you want to talk about
562
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:16.880
that other encounter that you had?
563
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:24.480
Well, this happened in twenty thirteen. I think I'm not
564
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:33.280
sure it was. It was the day that Tracy Tormay
565
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:44.280
spoke at Burbank, California, and also the new head of
566
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:53.519
mouf On was gave a talk. But after they were done,
567
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.519
my son and I and my girlfriend headed home and
568
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:03.480
we saw a light coming to horses very quickly, impossibly fast,
569
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.760
and it stopped right over the top of us. What
570
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.440
looked like one light at a distance turned out to
571
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:14.679
be three. It was the light at the point of
572
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:19.639
a giant black triangle, huge, maybe a quarter of a
573
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:23.599
mile across. I mean, it was gigantic, very low. I mean,
574
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.920
it was so low I think we could have hit
575
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.079
it with a rock if we'd have thrown the rock
576
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.480
at it. So it stopped right over the top of us.
577
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.039
It sort of tipped up a little bit right when
578
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:40.760
it stopped, but it was amazing how fast it could decelerate.
579
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.440
It turned ninety grease to its right and then shot
580
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:52.400
off towards the Pacific Ocean. But now, whether this was
581
00:36:53.239 --> 00:37:00.760
a giant alien triangle or some secret government weapon, I
582
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.960
don't know. In either case, I think they had to
583
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:07.840
be aware of us being there, because you know, as
584
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:13.280
a this is Los Angeles, high population density, and yet
585
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.679
stopped right over the top of us. But the next morning,
586
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.559
over a dozen people had reported seeing the exact same thing,
587
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:28.440
people who didn't know each other. They just reported it
588
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.159
independently of us, and.
589
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.440
Was there any effects from that that you felt or not?
590
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:45.840
No fear, I don't know. I mean, it was the
591
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.360
government they wanted me to report it as a UFO,
592
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.119
or if it was the aliens they're just seeing Hell,
593
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.679
you know, they stopped right over the top of us.
594
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:59.679
I thought it was too way against the odds that
595
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.679
they would stop right over the top of us, something
596
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:04.280
that gigantic in that.
597
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:09.119
Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know they I'm sure that
598
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.519
they knew it was you and and all that. But
599
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:15.800
the other thing that I wanted to ask you before
600
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:20.039
I turn it over to my cohorts here, very few
601
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.199
people know about the part of your abduction where I
602
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:27.159
think it's really a great story is that you thought
603
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.679
you were in a hospital when you started waking up.
604
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:30.719
Yeah.
605
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.280
I think you started thinking, and the people around you thought,
606
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.480
oh my god, there's doctors. You felt something on your chest.
607
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.639
And I felt injured. I you know, I couldn't focus,
608
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:44.119
you know, I just thought that somebody had taken me
609
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.559
to the hospital, that I had been injured. And then
610
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:53.079
when I could finally focus, I saw these creatures standing
611
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:53.480
over me.
612
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.119
Was first off, you go, oh my god, what the
613
00:38:58.159 --> 00:38:59.639
hell did I die or what?
614
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:00.519
Yeah?
615
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.800
Yeah, I got very combative, even though I was in
616
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:11.280
a very weak and injured condition, and it was kind
617
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:13.159
of way bit of to end off there. And then
618
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.119
they turned and left the room.
619
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.760
Yeah, I guess there was a stand up.
620
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:21.199
Do you pick some way I understand it is that
621
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.719
you picked something up and started swinging at them.
622
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.480
Yeah, one of their tools or instruments whatever there. I
623
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.920
picked it up and swung it at them through the
624
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.519
airs with a striking motion. They weren't close enough to
625
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.559
actually hit, but it was designed to keep them from
626
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:39.599
coming any closer.
627
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.000
Did they get any message from you and say, hey,
628
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.400
take it easy or try to revive you or no.
629
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.599
I'm thinking that, you know, maybe normally they have some
630
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:56.960
kind of ability to send a telepathic signal, but I
631
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.960
think that because of my recent injury, that they were
632
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:07.440
unable to control or communicate with me unfortunately, and so
633
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.639
they I think that's why they summoned help, that I
634
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.079
would cooperate with something that looked human.
635
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:25.960
Gotcha all right, Padre? Well you muted, Padre, You're still
636
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.639
muted now, I'm not they.
637
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:33.320
Are, okay, Travis. I'm curious. This is kind of a
638
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:40.360
strange question, But lately we've seemed to have people speculate
639
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:46.199
more that there's a greater possibility these beings are interdimensional
640
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:51.800
than from another planet. Do you have an opinion on that.
641
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.800
I think that's possible, and there reason being because any
642
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:04.039
other star is so far away it would take enormous
643
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.280
amounts of time to come here if they didn't have
644
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:13.639
some way of short circuiting that. Yeah, but you know,
645
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:20.559
our own astronomers are you know, quite uh. They they've
646
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.480
gained a better understanding of what's out there. They had
647
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.960
something called the Drake equation formula that they used to
648
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:34.039
estimate the number of possible civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy,
649
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:41.000
but the figures that they were injecting into the into
650
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:46.000
the equation were far too conservative. They they now have
651
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:51.800
adjusted them. Their their thinking that probably every star has
652
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:56.559
about a dozen planets, and that the odds of their
653
00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:03.079
being other life supporting planet's some of them far older
654
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:08.679
than ours. You know, they're not all young planets like us.
655
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.239
Humans have been around for a few thousand years. But
656
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.559
it's possible that the planets that these beings have been
657
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.480
on and may have been around for millions of years.
658
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:27.119
You know they can be way way ahead of us.
659
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:31.639
Of course, there's the possibility there's cave aliens out there,
660
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.559
but they're not the ones coming here.
661
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:38.880
So my next question is a personal question. Please feel
662
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:43.039
free to decline, But prior to your experience, did you
663
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:47.800
hold any religious or spiritual beliefs and how have they
664
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.079
changed or have they changed since the experience.
665
00:42:53.559 --> 00:43:00.519
Well, I've had some spiritual beliefs my whole I've been
666
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.119
not the religion I was raised in. But I think
667
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:18.519
that whatever is in charge is far, far greater, far
668
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:26.719
than many people conceive, you know, it's just a limit
669
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.880
of what they can conceive of.
670
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:33.880
I guess some people have testified as something called a
671
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:39.559
hitchhiker effect, where what they call high strangeness or weird
672
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.639
happenings follow them after an experience. Have you had that?
673
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.880
No, I don't think so. I think. You know, What's
674
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.719
what a lot of people don't understand is that there's
675
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:56.480
nothing supernatural about visitors from another planet. It's just like duh,
676
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:01.079
you know, once you understand this side an age of
677
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:01.800
the universe.
678
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:02.639
You know.
679
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:08.199
The other question is that some people ask, well, where
680
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:15.079
are they then? Because it was inevitable that they would explore,
681
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:21.840
and I think they are. It's just that there's a
682
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:29.880
certain respect that's been It's kind of like in science fiction.
683
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.199
The Star Trek had this thing called a non interference directive,
684
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:40.639
and they felt that it was not moral or right
685
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:51.199
to introduce technology beyond what they had the inhabitants had
686
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:56.480
already come to on their own, and I tend to
687
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:01.039
agree with that idea. I can imagine that if the
688
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:05.360
aliens that are coming here suddenly said, you know, people say, well,
689
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.159
why don't they just land on the White House lawn
690
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.079
and say here's here to have free energy. Well, that
691
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.880
would be extremely destructive. It would destroy Yes, well.
692
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.079
I think they're heavily invested in energy stocks. Anyway, come
693
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.199
out to Cobra, you're so.
694
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:26.000
I'm going to first jump to questions in the chat room. Travis,
695
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:32.039
did you have any checks for implants? And the question
696
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:33.760
was how do you think that they found you?
697
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:41.079
Yeah, I too much. You know, there were people looking
698
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.960
to X ray me and see if I had any implants.
699
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:48.920
Nothing was discovered. But I do think they're capable of
700
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:55.239
locating individual people. You know, I didn't used to think so.
701
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.039
I thought, you know, it would be like me walking
702
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.320
past an ant hell and saying, I think I'll stop
703
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.159
and have a conversation with that ant right there. But
704
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:13.000
on the contrary, it's more like we're not that insignificant.
705
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.880
They can keep track of vast amounts of knowledge and data.
706
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:27.000
And I compare it to the Utah Data Center, some
707
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:35.920
government computer that is supposedly recording all of the electronic
708
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:39.599
transmission on the face of the earth, And you know,
709
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:44.039
there's millions of gallons of water just to cool those computers.
710
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.360
And if mere humans can keep track of that much data,
711
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:53.400
these aliens probably uh you know, if you if you
712
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.880
saw one when you were young, and you see one
713
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:03.760
as an adult, they know it's you. But they're not
714
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.159
landing on the White House lawn and making open contact
715
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:14.119
because that would be destructive. So on the other hand,
716
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.079
you know, I think that they could do everything they're
717
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.159
doing here and remain undetected if they wanted to. So
718
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:26.519
the glimpses that are people are having, I think are intentional.
719
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.559
Do you think that's part of an experiment or do
720
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:32.920
you think that that is just the price of doing business.
721
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:38.519
I think it's I think there's no accident that would
722
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:41.800
be stupid. It's I make the joke of them slapping
723
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:45.960
their foreheads. It's oh, dang, humans spotted us again. We're
724
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:48.159
going to have to be more careful last time. No,
725
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:53.360
I really do think that sightings are deliberate and allowed,
726
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:58.719
and it's a kind of a customization that is permitted
727
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.960
because we gotta we gotta grow up, you know the
728
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:08.639
humans man, you know in the White House. Long would
729
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:14.199
be destructive there, but it's it's filtering down. Put it
730
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:14.599
that way.
731
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.400
Well, I'm gonna throw a quick question into Jennifer's sphere.
732
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.559
What do you think is the next piece to this?
733
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.280
Uh that's kind of this celebration here we are at
734
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fifty years. Well, do you do you think we have
735
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a good possibility of getting a better.
736
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Rendition, a better recording? Do you think do you think
737
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that that's on the horizon?
738
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:44.599
You mean like a film, like a better.
739
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And I'm talking from Hollwood.
740
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.599
I mean, I think the work you did is better
741
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than most of the stuff that Hollywood does on a
742
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regular basis because it's it's it's genuine and it has,
743
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you know, some.
744
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:01.519
Logical ethos to what you're trying to talk about. But
745
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I think it's obviously a commercially viable project. So I'm
746
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kind of poken azed. Do you think there's something maybe
747
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:12.360
a little more sinister behind it I delay on this
748
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or what?
749
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:19.719
Oh? There are definitely sinister powers at play just looking
750
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at the debunking that has gone on just on Travis's
751
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.800
case alone, but you can put Travis's case and say
752
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.000
the Betty and Barney Hill case together and look at
753
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.400
a major attack that happened starting in twenty twenty one.
754
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It was an international attack with websites and big podcast
755
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.480
programs and multiple people watching I mean, my internet, my email,
756
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.480
my texting, you know, blew up, Jen, did you see this?
757
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.840
Did you see this? Did you see this? And I
758
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.719
just was like, oh wow, isn't that interested like big
759
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:54.239
debunking efforts. And I think that was because the twenty
760
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:59.800
seventeen you know, disclosure with the very famous luelsonso coming
761
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.800
out the Pentagon with the ATIP program and going forward
762
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in the since the congressional hearings that we've had, I
763
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.639
think leading up to that, there was a effort, like
764
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a remake effort. Okay, let's dig out the professional debunkers.
765
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:16.800
Philip Class is gone, but let's get his cohorts. Let's
766
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.880
pay somebody let's get a major marketing campaign out there
767
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:23.239
to be to debunk anything that has to do with
768
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.199
personal contact. Because we can talk about the craft in
769
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:30.199
the sky, we can talk about them out maneuvering our aircraft,
770
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:33.480
we can talk about them rendering our nuclear weapons in earth, right,
771
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.480
but we cannot talk about contact. We can't talk about bodies.
772
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.360
We can't talk about abductions. I mean, all that has
773
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.880
been off the table, and there have been deliberate, you know,
774
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:49.920
I would say, well funded, you know, professionally polished efforts
775
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to undermine people's understanding of the facts of Travis's case,
776
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so that I think really needs to be acknowledged, and
777
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.079
I might write a book about it. I was starting
778
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a book during COVID watching this all take place. I've
779
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basically written about one hundred and twenty pages, but I
780
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haven't published because I have so many other things to do.
781
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:16.519
Well, fair enough on that, But why do you think
782
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that the in this particular case, but overall, the abductee
783
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.960
portion gets this kind of handling.
784
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:28.320
Well, just think about it, commander, right, If you were, I.
785
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.199
Have a definite theory, I'll share it with you.
786
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:31.519
Yeah.
787
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:32.519
Well, I mean.
788
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.079
I thought maybe what happened in the X files might
789
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be true. There may be a deal, There may be
790
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an agreement.
791
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There may be hunting licenses so to speak, that are
792
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issued for some hope of something better, or you know,
793
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as needs to say, maybe I'll get eaten last kind
794
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of situation.
795
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.760
Well, that's kind of the dark.
796
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.840
Yeah, it is kind of a dark theory, absolutely right.
797
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:05.239
But many people in the UFO field, many people I respect,
798
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:09.519
have said, look, it's not US control in control of secrecy.
799
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.920
And I think that the US government, now through these
800
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:15.440
congressional hearings, is beginning to figure that out. Like they
801
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.960
keep saying, well, who's in charge? Well shouldn't you know?
802
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.039
Well why didn't you know this? Well? You know, so
803
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:25.719
everybody's kind of passing the book. But maybe it's them
804
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that those that are here visiting us that really don't
805
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:34.199
want this out. Maybe I can only respond to the
806
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.719
human debunking that I see going on with people that
807
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:41.719
I think are actually human and are doing that. But
808
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.079
I don't know if that really addresses the initial question
809
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.280
that you had. I think you were saying, isn't it
810
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.199
time for a really good Hollywood film to redo this?
811
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And I would say yes, because there is so many
812
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.599
wonderful little twist and turns in this story that could
813
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.920
be put in a new film That would be incredible
814
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because it could include some of the debunking that goes on,
815
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and then it could include the fact that there was
816
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.760
an FBI agent on the adjacent hill that saw the
817
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.480
whole thing, saw the craft, saw it take off. He
818
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.920
stayed undercover. He was advised to stay undercovered by his
819
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:23.039
upper superiors and Tracy, you were mentioning Tracy Tournay earlier.
820
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.480
Tracy uncovered that and interviewed him, but decided not to
821
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:30.480
put it in this film because he felt that I
822
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:33.840
guess actually I shouldn't say. I know why. Travis may
823
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.480
know better than I. But there's that neat little thing,
824
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:38.760
you know, where people say, oh, no, it really didn't happen,
825
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:40.639
or there were no other witnesses, or they were all
826
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:45.519
having hallucinations. No, seven people do not have hallucinations. Right.
827
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.920
If you had seven people witness a murder, wouldn't that
828
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:53.079
be enough to convict, you know, a criminal to you know,
829
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.840
the electric chair, of course, But if seven people see
830
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:01.320
a UFO, oh that doesn't matter. Right. So there's also
831
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:04.679
the telephone operator who listened in on the call. A
832
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.199
lot of people don't know about that. We didn't put
833
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.079
it in the film, I don't think, and not in
834
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.480
my film. But it's a great little like twisty piece.
835
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So for a film writer, right, for a script writer. Wow.
836
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.480
So they can first claim that he never made the
837
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.760
phone call from the phone booth, and then it comes
838
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.480
out in the script which is true.
839
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:24.239
Oh No.
840
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.320
A phone booth operator listened in on the call because
841
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Travis made a collect call. He didn't have a diame
842
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.920
in his pocket, so the operator listened in, heard it
843
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.760
was Travis. Heard he was asking his family to come
844
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:41.360
pick him up, right, And then he called Marlon Gillespie
845
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.440
and said, Marlon, I think Travis is back. He just
846
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.199
made a phone call from the Hebrew phone booth. You
847
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.840
better go down and dust for prints, which they did.
848
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.639
So you know, there's all this stuff and of course
849
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:57.039
the tree ering evidence. It's it's hugely important, you know,
850
00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:59.920
and that could all come out in a great hollywo
851
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.960
film that could do a couple of years, you know,
852
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.400
it could do a forty year perspective on this, how
853
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:11.039
this has affected these guys' lives. It's really an incredible
854
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:13.760
story and I'm so honored. Really, the more and more
855
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:19.320
I think about it, I'm so humbled by Travis's integrity
856
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.199
and by his willingness to work with me. I mean,
857
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.840
I'm not a no filmmaker, you know. My nephew is
858
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.400
a little bit, Adam Stein. He helped me edit it,
859
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:32.400
and he did a fabulous job, absolutely fabulous job. The
860
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:36.079
film would not be the film it is without his input. Now,
861
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.519
I had like a four hour film like by October
862
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.119
of twenty fourteen, and I needed an hour and a
863
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.400
half in a month and a half to get it
864
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.440
into the film festival deadline for the end of December.
865
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.800
And he did it. He just took you know, cleared
866
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.840
his desk, sat down and did it. And he did
867
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:57.719
an incredible job. So you know, I'm very we're all blessed.
868
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.639
Well, I think you're the right to lead the charge, Chris,
869
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:03.239
I guess I.
870
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:05.159
Want to get Don in here, Don before we go
871
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:05.639
to break.
872
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.000
What I have to say is going to go right
873
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:13.840
through the break, So I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off
874
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:14.639
till we come back.
875
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:16.599
Let me just ask Jennifer.
876
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:21.920
Jennifer, with all that taken place, and especially people trying
877
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:27.199
to debunk the story, very quickly. People have tried to
878
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:31.760
destroy evidence too, especially at the four Steed. Oh yeah, why,
879
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.119
I mean, have you ever gotten a reason? Why Is
880
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.400
it just because they wanted to go after Travis?
881
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.480
Well, I mean, the three ring evidence is one of
882
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:45.360
the most profound evidence that exists, you know, So if
883
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.880
you're if you destroyed that, then people can't go back
884
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.079
and look at it. So we did the twenty fourteen
885
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:54.280
citeer view with Ben Hansen, which you've mentioned before, is
886
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.280
up on the website at the debunking page. Any one
887
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.440
of your listening audiences can go to Travis Walton themovie
888
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.880
dot com find the debunking page, and I have put
889
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.320
lots of video evidence up there for people to look at, right,
890
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.360
because people go on these podcast shows all the time,
891
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.039
you know, and they can call it up and say,
892
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:14.360
if you guys are nuts, go look at the film footage.
893
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.719
It's up there. You can look at it, right. So
894
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:21.320
we put up this twenty fourteen site review that Ben
895
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.639
Hansen did. And Ben is well known f former FBI agent.
896
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:27.719
He had a television show called Factor Fiction and he
897
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:29.639
wanted to go back to the site. So I said, well,
898
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:31.679
I'll film it. Let's do it. So we went with
899
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.400
Travis and we kind of documented all right, what's in
900
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.199
the area, what's here, And that's when we discovered that
901
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:41.039
this rapid tree growth was on only one side of
902
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:43.679
the trees that are in the surrounding area where the
903
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:48.760
craft was, and the rapid tree growth is epicentrically facing
904
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:52.800
where the craft was, which is incredible. So every tree
905
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.440
around in a circle had a different rapid growth that
906
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.679
faced inward. That's very unusual. The other thing is I
907
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:04.000
did some dendrology research tree ring research, and rapid growth
908
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:08.039
from increased sunlight is about ten percent, not thirty three
909
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:11.280
point six or thirty six point three percent more right.
910
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:14.679
The only point when you get that is looking at
911
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:19.119
like in depth, you know, research papers like Travis was mentioning.
912
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:24.079
A Polish university researched the scott pine trees around the
913
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.039
Chernobyl incident and a five mile radius around the Chernobyl incident,
914
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:31.000
Scott pine trees grew at a thirty six point three
915
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:33.960
three three percent of a tree ring growth. And that's
916
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.480
both what they call the web and the wharf. They
917
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.119
have different names for it in dendrology terms, but it's
918
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:41.199
like the web, and you know, it's you know, one
919
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.800
direction in the other direction, both grow rapidly at the
920
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:47.760
same time. But in Travis's case, it only happened on
921
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:51.079
the side where the craft was facing, not the opposite side.
922
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:55.480
So and the Chernobyl incident, you know, kind of really
923
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:59.039
demonstrated that it's a five mile radius very rapid tree
924
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:02.360
ring growth and it dies off after fifteen years. There's
925
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:05.639
another thing, like fifteen years later that things seem to
926
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.639
settle and you don't see that rapid tree regroup. Well,
927
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:11.400
that's the same thing we had in Travis's case. You
928
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:13.960
see normal growth up to a certain point, then boom,
929
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.079
rapid tree growth and then it backs back off. Right.
930
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.480
It's just an unusual anomaly, and you only find it
931
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:21.599
in a couple of places.
932
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:26.679
Travis's case, Chardoble, there's your strongest evidence right there, because
933
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:30.760
I mean, there's no question that the radiation caused all
934
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.719
kinds of effects there. And with the same thing with trees.
935
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:39.719
So if you have something similar well away from you
936
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.400
your first evidence scene and then you have that eviancy,
937
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.199
I mean, you put two and two together and it really.
938
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:46.960
Does come out to four.
939
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.159
We're going to go to a quick break, Folks, stay
940
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:53.519
with us where with Traffis Walton and Jennifer Stein a
941
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.079
great pair. Talking about Travis Walton in his history with
942
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:01.159
his abduction. We'll be back right after this break. Love
943
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.760
that music. We are back at UAP Crossfire with our
944
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.360
great guests, Travis Walton and Jennifer Stein. Hey, before we
945
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:11.559
start with Don, Don, he has some questions. No, could
946
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:14.079
you put up that skyfire thing? I just want to
947
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:18.400
go over that against folks. Twenty twenty five Skyfire Summit
948
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:23.000
Secrecy to Transparency, eighty years of UFO truth now revealed.
949
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:26.880
They got great guests there, Don Childress, Ron James will
950
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:31.719
be there, Stacy Wright, who I loved, Melinda Leslie. I've
951
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:32.440
interviewed her.
952
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:33.239
What a story.
953
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:36.719
Don Schmidt always great and of course our guests tonight,
954
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.840
Jennifer Stein and Travis Walton. If you get a chance
955
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.880
on October seventeenth through the twentieth of twenty twenty five.
956
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:48.480
It's a great time, great people. You gotta go. Thanks Bill,
957
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:50.239
all right, take it away, Don.
958
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:52.000
Okay.
959
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:56.840
When Travis was speaking previously in the last segment, he
960
01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:04.280
had mentioned his thoughts about the fast distances between star
961
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:09.800
systems and coming here to Earth, and that's a question
962
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:13.599
that I've pondered literally for decades now.
963
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.679
So first off, let's take a look.
964
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:24.679
At we human beings, the human race, Homo sapien sapiens. Now,
965
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:30.039
if you talk to most experts, they'll tell you that
966
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.440
the human race such as we are today have been
967
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:41.480
around perhaps anywhere between two hundred to three hundred thousand years. Now,
968
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:47.800
that's not to mention a lot of anomalists. I hesitate
969
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.480
to call it evidence, but anomalous things that have been discovered,
970
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:58.760
for example, very human appeering footprints in what is now
971
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:03.079
fossilized raw going back over a million years. Who knows
972
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:08.000
what that was, But we ourselves have been here and
973
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:13.239
for the majority of that time, okay the majority of
974
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:18.679
that time. Because we don't know what happened previous to
975
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:23.519
the cessation of the Ice Age roughly twelve thousand years ago,
976
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:28.000
we don't know what human beings might have been doing then,
977
01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:32.159
and there certainly were a lot of human beings then.
978
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:36.920
But since the end of the Younger Driest period, the
979
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:41.719
last Ice Age, we experienced human beings for the most part,
980
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:47.679
have been slogging along with some of their most advanced technology,
981
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:53.559
being the horse or the oxen and the wheel. Then
982
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:59.000
something happened, and what that something is God only knows,
983
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:07.719
But Travis Jennifer, roughly two centuries ago, actually two centuries
984
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:11.000
and a quarter, about two hundred and twenty five years ago,
985
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:18.320
something happened, and we entered the industrial age, all right,
986
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:27.280
the steam engine, steam locomotives, railroads, along a little bit later,
987
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:36.239
telegraph wires. I mean, suddenly our technology began to version outwork.
988
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:41.760
Now in nineteen three, okay, and yes I am a
989
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:48.079
frustrated history teacher. But in nineteen three, the Wright brothers
990
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:55.039
got together and created the first heavier than air machine
991
01:03:55.679 --> 01:04:00.519
that flew. The first flight, granted, was only about fifty
992
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:05.599
nine seconds, but by god, they flew, and pretty soon
993
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:10.599
they were getting up into the air several thousand feet. Now,
994
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:16.119
within ten years of that, eleven years of that, Europe
995
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:21.159
went to war, and suddenly we have these technological aircraft,
996
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:25.519
these at the time marvels of the sky shooting each
997
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:30.679
other down. We go a little bit further up into
998
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:38.159
the thirties and the forties, Suddenly aircraft technology exploded all
999
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:44.760
over the landscape, and we went literally from horsepower to
1000
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:49.880
nuclear power and under a half century. Think about that.
1001
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:54.159
It's mind boggling. Now there's a reason I'm stating all this.
1002
01:04:55.039 --> 01:05:01.079
And in nineteen forty seven, suddenly the United States under
1003
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:06.000
well today, General Chuck Yeger broke the sound barrier over
1004
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:11.199
seven hundred miles an hour, and just forty four years
1005
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:15.599
previous to that, we could only stay aloft for fifty
1006
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:20.239
nine seconds. My god, that boggle I don't know about you.
1007
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.000
That boggles my mind. And then, my god, in nineteen
1008
01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:31.280
sixty nine, we're landing on the Moon. In a century.
1009
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:35.719
Under a century, we went from the first primitive aircraft
1010
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:37.360
to landing on the moon.
1011
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:39.639
Now, why do I mention all this?
1012
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.920
We've been around, let's say, for the sake of the argument,
1013
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:49.559
two hundred and fifty three hundred thousand years. There are
1014
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:55.199
star systems out there vastly older than what we are.
1015
01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:57.119
We're roughly four and a half.
1016
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:01.000
Five billion years old the Solar System. The planet Earth
1017
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.840
is about four and a half big and years old,
1018
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:09.119
And life as we know it today took millions and
1019
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:10.679
millions of years to get.
1020
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:11.719
To where we're at.
1021
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:17.840
Okay, but who's to say what an extraterrestrial race might
1022
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:22.719
have done in a million or five million, or ten
1023
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:28.679
million years. The origin of these visitors have always fascinated me. Now,
1024
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.440
for what it's worth, I want to get your thoughts
1025
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:38.599
on it, Jennifer and Travis. I see the potential of
1026
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:50.280
three three possible explanations. Number one, Okay, before the Ice Age,
1027
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.599
a lot of people believe that there may have been
1028
01:06:54.760 --> 01:07:00.559
an advanced human civilization here. Is it possible? Well, sure
1029
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.480
it is possible. Do I know that for a fact?
1030
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:04.159
Certainly not.
1031
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:08.239
But if there were, and if they had a four
1032
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.440
warning of what was about to happen here on Earth,
1033
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:20.480
perhaps they decided to leave and then later come back.
1034
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:27.280
That's one possibility. The second possibility, of course, our extraterrestrial visitors,
1035
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:31.760
through their technology, leaving one star system to come to
1036
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:36.519
this one, and what the hell makes us so interesting anyway?
1037
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:41.039
And the other possibility, and this is one that I've
1038
01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:46.840
actually began to theorize is much more possible than I
1039
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:50.440
would have guessed twenty five years ago, is that there
1040
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:57.840
is an inter dimensional presence here that somehow bled through
1041
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:01.360
from one reality to another. Now just as very quick
1042
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:05.239
aside about fifteen years ago. My wife and I, Vicki
1043
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:08.679
and I I usually get up before she does. The
1044
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.840
coffee is ready to go. Should come out. We often chat,
1045
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:15.719
and I'll never forget one morning we were talking and
1046
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:20.079
I had told her about some off the wall, unbelievable
1047
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:24.960
news story I had just heard on the radio something
1048
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:32.840
that was ludicrous, okay, And I said, you know, Vicky,
1049
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:38.520
this is only partially a joke. But I said, you
1050
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:43.640
know what's happening over in Europe right now at the
1051
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:49.840
Cerne super collider. Right they're looking for a particle called
1052
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:54.880
the God particle. What they were doing, We're blasting Adams
1053
01:08:54.920 --> 01:09:00.399
and what have you around this huge collider and they
1054
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:06.000
would strike each other upon occasion. Even microscopic black holes
1055
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:14.439
were created that quickly evaporated. Okay, what if they opened
1056
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:21.600
up a rift and suddenly we floated into a different reality.
1057
01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:26.720
If you take a look at the news, okay, almost
1058
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:31.680
every night, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. So, Jennifer,
1059
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.479
what do you think about that? Do you come down
1060
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:40.199
on any of that as possibly reality or no?
1061
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:45.960
Well, it's a long history lesson you've just given us,
1062
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.560
and I would say it's accurate very much.
1063
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:48.720
So.
1064
01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:51.520
I have also studied history. I was a good friend
1065
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:57.720
and a student and a support to Zacharaisichon. So I
1066
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.159
did some film work with him, read his work work,
1067
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.680
and of course he was a Samerian scholar born in Russia,
1068
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:05.680
moved to Israel's we.
1069
01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:09.920
Were personal friends. Jennifer I knew zach Ria very well, so.
1070
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.640
You know his language background and how well he understood
1071
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:17.520
Cuneiform as well as Hebrew and Aramaic. Right, and of
1072
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:21.720
course I'm Jewish, read the Bible, you know, study and practice,
1073
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:25.720
can read some Hebrew, and was really intrigued by his
1074
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:30.680
understanding that Jewish holidays revolve around the Sumerian history, that
1075
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:34.920
the Jewish Bible, the Tour exists in Sumerian first, then
1076
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:39.079
translated into well cuniform first, then translated into.
1077
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:41.840
Abraham, the father of the Israeli nation. The Hebrew nation
1078
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:44.439
came out of the city of Err on the Chelbeas.
1079
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:49.279
Yes, so according to Sumerian records, okay, the Sumerians had
1080
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:52.159
a king list that was really long, and they had
1081
01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:55.399
a time keeping thing of shars, right, So that goes
1082
01:10:55.520 --> 01:11:00.479
back much longer than our known established civilization and as
1083
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.840
humans on the planet, it goes back before sumer and
1084
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:08.119
the Samerian records say that the Samerians re established civilization
1085
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:10.640
on the earth after the flood, So there was a
1086
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:13.680
former world, right, an old world, and then it comes back.
1087
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:15.920
And of course it's in the beginning of the Hebrew
1088
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:20.279
and Christian Bibles as well. You can see who begot,
1089
01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:22.960
who begot? Who begot? Who begot who? So you kind
1090
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:24.840
of think, well, why is that in the Bible?
1091
01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:27.199
Why a lot of vim a world?
1092
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:28.039
Right?
1093
01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:30.840
Why is that important? And of course if you look
1094
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:33.920
at the incredible work of Graham Hancock that I follow
1095
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:37.720
and love, he has a wonderful series out I think
1096
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:42.960
it's called something about Apocalypse or something like that. I
1097
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:46.159
can't remember the name of the moment, so like incredible
1098
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:49.159
Apocalypse or something, and he talks about the fact that
1099
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:53.840
architecturally these feet are you know, these structures are an
1100
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.199
architectural marble around the world, and they are probably much
1101
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:01.640
much more ancient. We also know that from the work
1102
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:04.760
of Robert Schack, whom I've traveled with and no personally
1103
01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:09.079
and admire and respect he and Katie, his wife, their work,
1104
01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:12.600
and he became quite famous because he said the Sphinx
1105
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:16.359
has to be probably much closer to ten twenty thirty
1106
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:20.279
thousand years old because water erosion on stone and rock
1107
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:24.520
is pretty standard science and the water erosion around the
1108
01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:28.680
encasement wall behind the Sphinx, which has not been resurfaced
1109
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:31.800
like the Sphinx has, clearly shows ten thousand years worth
1110
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:34.800
of water erosion. But that area's been a dry desert
1111
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:37.840
for the last ten thousand years, So how how do
1112
01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:40.199
you make sense of that? Right? So then you have
1113
01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:44.479
to go back. So you're absolutely right. Civilization has probably
1114
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.560
been around much, much, much longer. And now with our
1115
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:51.319
telescopes and satellite we have evidence that there might have
1116
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:56.239
been civilization on Mars, right, and it got exploded, And
1117
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:58.520
when you look at the Sunrian records, there is an
1118
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:00.319
explanation for how that happened.
1119
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:00.920
Right.
1120
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:04.399
The asteroid belt used to be a planet that used
1121
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:08.199
to be Tiamat, according to the Sumerian records, and Tiamat
1122
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:11.560
got hit by mar Duke it broke apart. And that's
1123
01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:14.159
what the asteroid belt is, the remnants of a planet,
1124
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:17.560
and what length of that planet is our planet that's
1125
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:21.119
got pushed to the location it is now. And because
1126
01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:25.399
planets have magnetism sort of like magnet they balance themselves
1127
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:31.439
on that magnetism. Right, So that's what's going on, you know, probably.
1128
01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:36.439
With our history and with our pies, but the origins
1129
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:41.720
of these we'll call them visitors. Okay, where do you
1130
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.800
fall down on what may be the answer? Do you
1131
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:45.680
have any theory?
1132
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:50.920
I think there's more than one species. I suspected the
1133
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:53.920
earth as much like Stanton Friedman would call it. He
1134
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.199
would say, it's kind of like a prison system where people,
1135
01:13:57.319 --> 01:13:59.439
you know, it's kind of like an island where they
1136
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:04.199
throw all these different species and different characters together and
1137
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:08.039
see how it evolves. It's a big experiment, right, will
1138
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:11.479
good win out over evil sort of thing. I think
1139
01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:15.560
there's probably many species that have had an effect on
1140
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:21.319
and tweaking of potentially of intelligence and our background. So
1141
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:24.399
there might be there might be much more than we
1142
01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:25.640
really know any well.
1143
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:30.199
Travis Travis in his account and I back in the
1144
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:33.880
day when when my wife Vicky and I were doing
1145
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:38.399
UFO magazine, and like I said, Tracy Tormay, who was
1146
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:44.439
fascinated by Travis's experiences, he and I were very good friends,
1147
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:47.399
and he and I, as a matter of fact, discussed
1148
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:48.920
that many times.
1149
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:51.840
Travis not only.
1150
01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:56.479
Saw the creatures that many would call the grays, but
1151
01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:01.960
then he was confronted and I'm going to ask him next,
1152
01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:07.720
but he was confronted by uh being that appeared to
1153
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:12.039
be what today we might call a tall white or
1154
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:14.159
a Nordic appearing.
1155
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:16.079
Humanoid.
1156
01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:21.720
Okay, so uh and and hey, the stories that I've
1157
01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:27.399
collected over the years with the magazine, We've had all kinds.
1158
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:28.000
I have.
1159
01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:31.760
I have one account that happened up in Oregon with
1160
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:45.399
alleged extraterrestrials that resembled short shrub tight bushes. Okay, uh, reptilians.
1161
01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:48.560
I mean they're there, are all kinds of creatures.
1162
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:52.079
So yeah, yeah, we very well maybe, but but then
1163
01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:55.640
that automatically brings the idea, what what the heck is
1164
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:59.920
it here that they're so fascinated by her? We really,
1165
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:03.640
you know, like the funny monkeys at the zoo. They
1166
01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:08.479
come down to watch and munch peanuts and popcorn while
1167
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:16.960
we carry on our shenanigans.
1168
01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:20.000
Is Travis there? Is he going to make a comment?
1169
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:30.439
Oh? I would say that's quite plausible. We embarrass ourselves,
1170
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:37.560
you know, people think that the aliens are viewing us
1171
01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:41.399
on our best side. If you step back and take
1172
01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:47.479
an objective view of humanity much to be embarrassed about.
1173
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:50.800
At any one time, there's over a hundred wars going on.
1174
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:59.640
Principal theme in our entertainment is murder, mysteries. Everybody's killing
1175
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:03.560
every ready. I think we've got a long ways to
1176
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:12.159
go before we're worthy of interacting in the intergalactic community.
1177
01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:18.520
But let's let's not let's not dismiss the ETS if
1178
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:24.119
that's what they are so easily. I recently wrote a
1179
01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:32.159
paper dealing with the question of disclosure, which I have
1180
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:35.199
no doubt in my mind it will never be allowed
1181
01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:35.720
to happen.
1182
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:37.439
Ever, Okay, not.
1183
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:45.199
Complete disclosure, just won't be allowed, I agree for several reasons. Okay,
1184
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:52.640
but with that being said, they themselves, the aliens, if
1185
01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:56.960
that's what they are, have been seen in conflict with
1186
01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:02.039
each other, and that God only knows could be one
1187
01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:05.880
of the reasons. So much of this is kept under
1188
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:11.520
wraps because there is what may be a very low intensity,
1189
01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:17.680
low grade warfare going on between various ET factions.
1190
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:21.159
What do you think about that.
1191
01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:22.560
I don't know.
1192
01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:29.640
I'm pretty optimistic. I think that because violence is so stupid,
1193
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:36.399
I would hope that any civilization that becomes that advanced
1194
01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:44.000
they've outgrown that. And if they didn't the control of
1195
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:49.439
SICH technology, they would have exterminated themselves, so one way
1196
01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:56.520
or the other, evil is not something that can persist
1197
01:18:56.760 --> 01:19:02.600
into the distant future. And my hopeful estimation.
1198
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:07.520
Well even Jennifer, I'm sure she probably heard this from
1199
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:12.520
Zacharia decision. Zachari and I had a number of discussions
1200
01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:20.359
about this. There is evidence, very solid evidence, on several
1201
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:25.279
areas in Europe and down in the Middle East of
1202
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:32.319
nuclear detonations that happened many thousands of years ago. Now,
1203
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:40.880
the Indian epics talk about wars among their gods. Okay,
1204
01:19:41.079 --> 01:19:44.920
I don't believe they were gods, they were probably extraterrestrials.
1205
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:50.239
But nuclear weapons were used in deployed, and here we were,
1206
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:55.359
at that time, an absolutely primitive species that had no
1207
01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:58.760
more reason to be around something like that than a
1208
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:03.079
fly on the far side the moon. Jennifer, you know
1209
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:04.000
what I'm talking about.
1210
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:06.760
I absolutely do know what you're talking about. The flying
1211
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:12.960
Vinmanas the Indian history goes back a good fifteen eighteen
1212
01:20:13.039 --> 01:20:16.680
thousand years and they talk about the different Yugas and
1213
01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:19.399
the different periods of time, and the different warriors and
1214
01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:22.920
leaders at the time and how they warred with each other.
1215
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:26.000
When what I thought was very interesting don too is
1216
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:29.520
you might remember in two thousand and six there was
1217
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:33.520
a very significant, substantial earthquake that happened in the Indian
1218
01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:39.640
Ocean and created a tsunami. So the tsunami before it hits,
1219
01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:43.800
when it's that, when it's that large earthquake in the ocean,
1220
01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:49.920
the ocean retracts right back quite significantly before then the
1221
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:55.439
wave takes place and it inundates the land. When that happened,
1222
01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:59.399
they could see evidence of earlier civilization right off the
1223
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.279
coast of ving and some people photographed it. It was
1224
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:05.479
quite significant. So all these towers started to show and
1225
01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:08.039
you know, pop up in the water because the water
1226
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:12.119
was receding from the shoreline. So there was evidence of
1227
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:16.800
you know, sunken cities off the coast of India. And
1228
01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:19.479
there was even a land bridge that talked about too.
1229
01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:24.640
And although that didn't you emerge when that water drew
1230
01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:28.039
back long enough for anyone to see, you can see
1231
01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:31.600
it with satellite imagery looking through water, and you can
1232
01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:35.399
see it with light ar technology. So there is quite
1233
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:38.840
a lot of interesting stuff that we are really on
1234
01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:44.680
the precipice, I think, starting to really understand what is
1235
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:48.640
about to be revealed, whether or not we'll learn about
1236
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:51.520
the multiple species that may have been interacting with us,
1237
01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:56.279
may even have been greeting with us for decades. I
1238
01:21:56.319 --> 01:22:00.439
don't know where, when, or where or how that will happened,
1239
01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:03.319
but it very well may be true that we are
1240
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:08.039
a multiple combination of interspecial breeding, which is why we
1241
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:11.479
look so different all across the world, why we have
1242
01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:17.239
different traditions, different belief systems, and different temperaments. You know,
1243
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:20.159
it very well could be. And there are many many
1244
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:25.399
stories right of abductions where there is ovum and sperm
1245
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:30.039
and things like this taken, which implies that there is
1246
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:34.840
something to do with those genetic materials from us that
1247
01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:40.199
are valuable for them, which also implied that there could
1248
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:44.239
be potential breeding, and if we were not related to them,
1249
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:48.000
we could not breed. Right, So you can't mix certain
1250
01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:53.319
animals together because they're not genetically similar enough to allow breeding.
1251
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:57.880
But if this is going on, then what does that say?
1252
01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:00.960
You know, I'm sorry, there's a lot of background noise.
1253
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:03.600
Someone might want to think about muting. If somebody has
1254
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:07.920
some background noise going on, it's hard for the listening audience.
1255
01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:08.680
I don't know.
1256
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:12.960
Yeah, you're right, mytory. I do have a question for Travis. Though,
1257
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:16.479
I'd like to just kind of swing back to Steve
1258
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:19.960
Pearce because I think this is an amazing thing. Steve
1259
01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:24.000
Pearce was describing how you got hit with a beam of.
1260
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:24.920
Light, Travis.
1261
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:29.479
But people always ask this question when we talk about you,
1262
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:32.880
and they say, why do you get out of the truck?
1263
01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:37.119
And it's only shock. I mean, I gotta tell you, Travis.
1264
01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:40.000
You know, I don't know if you had.
1265
01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:42.640
A few beers, a six pack or what beforehand, but
1266
01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.359
I wouldn't have got out of that damn truck.
1267
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:49.800
I had. I wish I had not gotten out. It
1268
01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:52.840
was a foolish move. You know.
1269
01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:55.840
Did you have a little bit of alcohol before you
1270
01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:56.279
got there?
1271
01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.640
No, you don't do that on the job out there
1272
01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:07.239
working with chainsaws. It's dangerous equipment. But some girls asked Steve,
1273
01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:10.239
you know how come you didn't get out of the truck,
1274
01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:15.600
and he says, well, I had better mind control resistance,
1275
01:24:16.920 --> 01:24:21.600
So why, said Travis. Travis was weak enough to give
1276
01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:24.840
into it. I said, well, Steve, what if it's the
1277
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:28.720
other way around. They were using mind control to keep
1278
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.199
us in the truck, and I'm the one that resisted it,
1279
01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:40.359
you know, just being funny, but it was just an impulse,
1280
01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:43.880
a foolish impulse. I wish I hadn't gotten out of
1281
01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:44.279
this truck.
1282
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:47.720
Was there any thought in your mind when you got
1283
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:48.840
hit with there being a light?
1284
01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:56.800
Well, all thoughts ceased at that point. I was unconscious instantly.
1285
01:24:57.640 --> 01:24:57.800
Now.
1286
01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:01.239
The other thing, I have some friends who are cops,
1287
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:04.039
police officers that we get together and once in a
1288
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:07.479
while we talk about you, and we always question about
1289
01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:09.399
the polygraph test.
1290
01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:12.560
Some people will say, ah, it's inconclusive.
1291
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:16.840
The polygraph came back in its conclusive, and I you know,
1292
01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:20.359
I've talked to Jennifer, I talked to you and stuff,
1293
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:24.000
but the polygraphs really didn't come back inconclusive. They actually
1294
01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:26.640
came back telling the truth. Am I correct on that?
1295
01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:32.760
Yeah? Yeah, of course. You know, Alan Dallas interrupted his
1296
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:39.319
test and because he was just he felt he was
1297
01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:42.399
being accused of murdering Travis and he was going to
1298
01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:47.960
get blamed. But a normal polygraph test is three runs
1299
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:52.600
through the tests, identical runs, and he finished two of
1300
01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:56.279
his and didn't finish the third one, so you know,
1301
01:25:56.479 --> 01:26:00.319
they called it inconclusive. But he basically passed those too.
1302
01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:06.159
But he did come back and take a totally proper test.
1303
01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:11.159
And this was from Arizona State Police polygraph examiner that
1304
01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:12.560
tested all of us.
1305
01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:18.960
Now, they, I mean, the lead investigator. And I can't
1306
01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:20.960
blame him because I would have thought the same thing.
1307
01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:24.640
I thought that you were dead. They had searched the
1308
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:30.119
woods and they couldn't find you. They were I mean,
1309
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:33.359
one of the one of them, I think it was Dallas,
1310
01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:36.199
wasn't it. They had a criminal or a bad criminal record.
1311
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:39.840
Yeah, so he was going to get blamed for the murder.
1312
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:44.000
Right, I mean? And was there a personality conflict between
1313
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:44.920
you and Dallas?
1314
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:47.560
Yeah, we got in a fight that morning.
1315
01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:47.960
You know.
1316
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:53.159
He he'd gone to tell this girl that I'd been
1317
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:57.119
dating to dump Travis and come with me, you know,
1318
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:05.439
on you. But uh so we got a little bit
1319
01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:08.079
of a fight there in Mike's backyard waiting to go
1320
01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:11.319
to work, and he tried to do a spin kick
1321
01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:13.920
on me and fell on his butt and the whole
1322
01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:16.199
crew was laughing at him. So that kind of put
1323
01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:21.880
an end to that little fight. Uh Mike came on
1324
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:24.279
and said, come on, let's go and you know, knock
1325
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:27.079
it off him, and that was all there was to that.
1326
01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:32.520
But you know, that little sparring match we had was
1327
01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.039
nothing that serious.
1328
01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.520
Now, there was a little conflict between the state police
1329
01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:42.279
because I think they brought a state police investigator down right, Travis. Yeah,
1330
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:46.720
and and the sure Martin Gillespie was a Gillespie.
1331
01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:50.520
Last name, Marlin Gillaspie was the shaff was there.
1332
01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:53.039
There was a conflict because I think Marlin kind of
1333
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:58.159
believed your story where the state state Police said, now
1334
01:27:58.520 --> 01:27:59.960
this is garbage, and.
1335
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.199
No, no, I didn't hear any such thing. You know,
1336
01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:10.880
Marlin Glasswie brought the state police examiner in to test everybody,
1337
01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:18.119
and they did, and Marlon I think was convinced by
1338
01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:23.279
the evidence interrogating all these men and that with the
1339
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:29.079
polygraph tests that they passed. But he didn't admit that
1340
01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:34.000
he was persuaded by that until much later. Actually, I
1341
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:37.800
think Jennifer's film was when he first admitted that he
1342
01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:44.279
was believing, but that was after he'd left office.
1343
01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:49.840
And I'll interject the first question we asked him. I
1344
01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:52.079
asked him while I was still setting up the camera equipment.
1345
01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:56.199
He didn't even know we were rolling. I said, did
1346
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:58.800
you ever see something on your own? And he went
1347
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:01.800
on for twenty minutes explaining it and it's up on
1348
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:03.960
my website. People can watch it for free at the
1349
01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:04.920
debunking page.
1350
01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:05.520
Oh wow.
1351
01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:06.960
He actually admitted that.
1352
01:29:07.640 --> 01:29:11.800
Oh yeah, he's had he had multiple, you know, encounters himself,
1353
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:15.239
and he described one of them which really confused him.
1354
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:19.039
Well, it's their job to be out at night and
1355
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:21.119
keeping their eyes field.
1356
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:26.000
Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, It's just this is an amazing
1357
01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:29.439
case where law enforcement gets involved. And of course years
1358
01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:34.000
ago law enforcement when they get a call about a UFO.
1359
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:36.760
I mean, I had him when I was a you know,
1360
01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:39.720
a patrol cop working in my car. I get a call, Chris,
1361
01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:41.840
can you go down so and so I saw you
1362
01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:45.439
and I'd have to key the mic so they didn't
1363
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:47.920
hear me laughing in the background. And go to some
1364
01:29:48.039 --> 01:29:52.760
ladies house and go, okay, where's the Martians. Hey, you Martians,
1365
01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:56.039
get out of the backyard. They're gone, lady, and a way,
1366
01:29:56.479 --> 01:30:00.079
you know, that's how you know you used to handle it,
1367
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:03.039
I mean, and then your story comes up where okay,
1368
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:05.640
you know, and you know, I look at the evidence
1369
01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:08.560
and I go, oh, they passed telegraphs and they you know,
1370
01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.960
they the stories are consistent and they're not changing, and
1371
01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:15.319
you know, even under the threat of maybe getting arrested
1372
01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:18.880
for murder. They're still being consistent with their stories. So
1373
01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:21.439
it kind of made me say, hey, wow.
1374
01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:23.319
This is an incredible thing.
1375
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:28.479
And before I turn it over to the other guys here,
1376
01:30:29.439 --> 01:30:32.800
I just wanted to say, Jennifer, what is your next project?
1377
01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:34.760
Do you think you're going to do?
1378
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:36.600
You mean a film project right now?
1379
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:39.560
So I love your films.
1380
01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:43.239
Well, I don't have another film project I'm doing. I mean,
1381
01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:45.760
it's a lot to run a conference and I'm sitting
1382
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:50.640
here actually doing name tags right now, you know, the
1383
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:55.760
Skyfire Summit. I don't know. You know, I'm seventy, you know,
1384
01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:58.960
like I'm thinking about like, okay, you know, just I'll
1385
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:01.800
just do some move on and retire. But who knows.
1386
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:05.359
I may have another film under my belt, but I
1387
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:07.000
haven't started on a project.
1388
01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:10.720
Oh I hope you do, because you make fabulous project
1389
01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:12.680
Padre Or is yours?
1390
01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:16.760
Well? I have two questions. One is for Travis concerning
1391
01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:21.520
his encounter, and it has to do with the instruments
1392
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:27.680
or technology that he observed aboard that craft. You know,
1393
01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:30.920
we have seen quite an evolution just in our lifetimes,
1394
01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:37.399
Travis from you know, rotary phones mounted on walls to eventually,
1395
01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:40.199
you know, the more compact ones on the desk, and
1396
01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:43.960
then the mobile phone and so forth. What can you
1397
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:47.279
tell us about the technology that you observe. Did it
1398
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:52.039
appear to be beyond digital or was it digital? Were
1399
01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:54.840
there any kinds of symbols?
1400
01:31:55.800 --> 01:32:00.079
There were some objects that I just couldn't identify. You know,
1401
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:06.479
it's because it's technology beyond anything we have, and you know,
1402
01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:10.039
I'm a kind of a technical sort of person, and
1403
01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:16.239
you know, hobbies and stuff. But I couldn't identify everything
1404
01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:19.279
that I saw there, and I didn't have time to
1405
01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:24.039
toy with it. I was terrified and just wanted to
1406
01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:25.800
get out of there any way I could.
1407
01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:29.520
Were there any instruments that they held in their hands
1408
01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.159
that they were using to treat you that you can describe?
1409
01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:38.479
No, the instruments were laying on the counter there, and
1410
01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:42.520
I assumed that they had used them at some point.
1411
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.840
Yes, Jennifer, he was.
1412
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:50.000
Being when he was coming to consciousness, which was that's
1413
01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:52.159
the period of time. We don't know how long that was.
1414
01:32:52.159 --> 01:32:55.399
Was that nive minutes, was that two three hours? It's
1415
01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:57.239
when he thought he was in a hospital and he
1416
01:32:57.279 --> 01:32:59.560
thought he was being cared for. There was a device
1417
01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:03.920
laying across his chest. Remember that. Okay again, all this
1418
01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:07.319
is up at Travis waltsonthemovie dot com in a little clip.
1419
01:33:07.319 --> 01:33:10.600
It's called the Onboard the Craft Experience. So there's this
1420
01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:14.039
device across his chest. His clothing is pushed up, and
1421
01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:17.800
it's a semi circle of light, heat and light, and
1422
01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:20.359
it's pulsing and whatnot, and it's treating him. And he
1423
01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:22.800
knows he has a hard time breathing and he has
1424
01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:24.960
a lot of pain in his chest. But he's being
1425
01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:28.119
treated by this device, and he can't see very well
1426
01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:31.239
and he can't hear very well because he's probably coming
1427
01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:34.399
back to life, right, and he gets his eyes to
1428
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:36.960
be able to focus. Now, Travis, you interject if I
1429
01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:40.239
have this wrong, but this is not well described in
1430
01:33:40.359 --> 01:33:42.960
any other place except in my film, and you kind
1431
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:45.439
of have to just watch it and understand it. But
1432
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:49.119
as Travis described it to me, his eyes start to
1433
01:33:49.159 --> 01:33:51.199
be able to focus on this thing. It's only this
1434
01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:53.920
far from him, right on his chest, this device, and
1435
01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:56.640
once his eyes can focus on that, then he can
1436
01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.640
focus a little further out right, and that's when he
1437
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:04.239
sees these three faces roll over him and look at him. Right,
1438
01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:08.479
and he realizes, oh, they're not doctors. He originally thought
1439
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:12.199
he was looking at doctors with like doctor hats on
1440
01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:14.560
and masks, you know, on the bottom of their face,
1441
01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:17.680
like he wouldn't operating him, And that's what he thought
1442
01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:20.439
he was sort of seeing because he couldn't see so well.
1443
01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:23.239
But when they leaned over him, he was like, oh,
1444
01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:27.399
my gosh, I'm not in Kansas, right. So that's when
1445
01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:30.239
he knocked one of them, hit one of them. They
1446
01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:33.600
fell back onto one of the other aliens behind him,
1447
01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.000
and then they all kind of gathered on one side
1448
01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:40.239
of the table and Travis rolled off as angry trying
1449
01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:42.920
to get away from them. He rolled off the table
1450
01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:45.039
and that device fell off and it rolled on the
1451
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:48.000
floor and it put weird light on the sad going
1452
01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.800
back and forth. He told me he remembers this, and
1453
01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:53.000
that's when he grabbed for a tool, thinking he was
1454
01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:55.840
grabbing like what looked like a long glass column. He
1455
01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.399
thought he could break it on the table he just
1456
01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:01.520
rolled off of and have something sharp to defend himself with.
1457
01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:06.159
So that's one piece of technology. The other piece of technology,
1458
01:35:06.279 --> 01:35:09.800
which I think was amazing for nineteen seventy five, is
1459
01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:13.680
when he walks they leave, and he walks out of
1460
01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:15.840
the room he's in and tries to find a way
1461
01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:18.600
out of the craft, right, and he finds another room
1462
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:21.359
and he walks into it and it's a round room
1463
01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:25.039
and in the middle is this egg shaped pedestal chair.
1464
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:28.119
So he thinks, oh, there could be another gray alien
1465
01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:30.720
in that chair. I better be careful. So he walks
1466
01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:32.960
around the edge of the outside of this room that's
1467
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:36.239
round until he can see, yeah, that's the great picture,
1468
01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:39.079
thank you, until he can see that there's nobody in
1469
01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:41.960
the chair, right, So then he goes over to the chair.
1470
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:44.600
But as he walks across the edge of that room
1471
01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:49.640
to the chair, the room becomes like a planetarium. The
1472
01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.199
floor of the walls, the chair, the ceiling, I mean,
1473
01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:56.680
everything becomes a planetarium. And he's like, whoa, what's happening.
1474
01:35:56.720 --> 01:35:58.800
So he takes a couple steps back and it goes
1475
01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:01.319
back to looking like a normal room. So there was
1476
01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:04.960
some sort of technology that I called the proximity sensor.
1477
01:36:05.319 --> 01:36:08.199
As he got close to the chair, the chair became
1478
01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:12.600
a nighttime star proximity. And then Travis also played with
1479
01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:16.399
some of the buttons on the chair and the plot,
1480
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:21.560
you know, the stars were moving. We know whether the
1481
01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.680
craft was moving, we don't know, but the stars were moving,
1482
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:27.279
so it could have been just like a GPS positioning
1483
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.880
thing like we can go on Google and get map
1484
01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.960
quest directions right pop up for us, or we can
1485
01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:35.880
go now and look at you know, satellite images. Or
1486
01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:39.680
maybe it was that. But that was interesting technology for
1487
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:40.880
nineteen seventy five.
1488
01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:43.399
Now what you just said is fascinating to me. You said,
1489
01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:47.039
he pressed buttons. Okay, what does a button do? A
1490
01:36:47.079 --> 01:36:52.560
button completes a circuit of energy. So when we're talking
1491
01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:56.680
about buttons, not everything is operated by the mind. You know,
1492
01:36:56.680 --> 01:37:00.520
there's been speculation that this is all, you know, mind controlled,
1493
01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:05.560
so there's some some mechanics involved in that.
1494
01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:10.199
And there were also doors, sliding doors and things like that.
1495
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:14.119
Like that's when the Nordic or the human looking alley
1496
01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:16.760
and showed up. Once he started pushing those buttons and
1497
01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:22.399
the you know, the well, the positioning of the navigation
1498
01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:24.840
room is lack of a better word to describe it.
1499
01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:29.439
You know, the what looked like a planetarium sky to him,
1500
01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:33.680
all around three hundred and sixty degree planetarium shifted. That's
1501
01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:37.800
when and that disoriented Travis because he's already we can't
1502
01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:41.600
breathe is in pain. And you know this is happening
1503
01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:43.720
all around I mean, you know what it's like in
1504
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:47.039
your car, right, and another car backs up next to
1505
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:49.279
you and you're like, oh am I moving and you
1506
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:51.279
put your foot on the brake. Right, We'll just imagine
1507
01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:53.960
that three hundred and sixty degrees all around you. After
1508
01:37:53.960 --> 01:37:58.239
the experienced Travis, it was very disorienting for him. And
1509
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:01.399
that's when this Nordic man came in with a helmet
1510
01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:04.039
on that he thought was a human. I mean, his
1511
01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:08.079
initial thought was, oh, it's NASA, you know they come
1512
01:38:08.119 --> 01:38:12.680
to rescue me. Right, it's humans, you know, it's you know,
1513
01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:15.680
Cape Canaveral. They've sent someone to get me. I mean,
1514
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:18.680
you starts blabbering away, where am I? Can you get
1515
01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:20.800
me back on the ground? Can you know? And they're
1516
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:25.520
not answering him at all. Commander Well, Travis may have
1517
01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:26.880
something he wants to say about this.
1518
01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:30.640
I know I've got to get going here. I've got
1519
01:38:30.680 --> 01:38:33.239
some things that are pressing right now.
1520
01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:37.560
Well, Travis, it's been absolutely wonderful to have you with
1521
01:38:37.640 --> 01:38:39.279
us tonight, and thank you so much.
1522
01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:44.159
Thank you Travis very much, it's been interesting talking with
1523
01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:44.680
you guys.
1524
01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:47.359
Travis, did I describe that correctly?
1525
01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:50.159
Yeah, I would.
1526
01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:53.039
Like to double check. Thank you.
1527
01:38:53.479 --> 01:38:56.319
See I look forward to seeing you again Travis in person.
1528
01:38:56.439 --> 01:39:00.920
Yeah, we'll do this again sometime to metric.
1529
01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:05.279
Bye by Commandery, you're up for Jennifer.
1530
01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:15.399
So, Jennifer, it seems that you've had a a real
1531
01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:20.600
discovery with everything that you did with with Travis. But
1532
01:39:20.680 --> 01:39:22.319
I don't think this is the only thing that's gone on.
1533
01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:24.840
It seems to me that you've have a fairly rich
1534
01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:29.840
background in a whole bunch of areas, and.
1535
01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:33.840
You seem to be kind of coalescing everything into into
1536
01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:40.560
one kind of very one kind of I would say,
1537
01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:45.039
an understanding that you you've lakes together a lot of things,
1538
01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:47.119
a lot of things that we've all talked about on
1539
01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:52.039
this shows as hosts and another show separately. But I
1540
01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:54.960
didn't hear your answer on disclosure. I looked at your
1541
01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:58.920
facial expression. Travis agrees with with Don's remark that he
1542
01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:01.399
doesn't think it's going to come up. What do you think.
1543
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:07.760
It's you know, that's the sixty four thousand dollars question, Commander, Well.
1544
01:40:08.039 --> 01:40:09.960
That's now one point six million.
1545
01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:12.119
But go ahead, right.
1546
01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:17.600
I would like to think, in my opinion, I think
1547
01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:22.960
we've had disclosure really. I mean, you can look at
1548
01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:27.880
but I would also say that that came with permission.
1549
01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:31.560
You have to remember that leaving a job in the
1550
01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:36.399
Pentagon like Louise had, going public with videos on YouTube,
1551
01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:40.560
working in cohort, you know, in coordination with Harry Reid, right,
1552
01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:44.760
and with the New York Times, right, who knew they
1553
01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:49.960
were going to be breaking the story months before this happened, right.
1554
01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:54.319
You look at those great reporters who did that, Leslie
1555
01:40:54.399 --> 01:41:00.680
Keene and Helene Cooper and Ralph Blumenthal. That does happen
1556
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:04.960
by chance. So it might be that disclosure is something
1557
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:09.000
that those that aren't in control behind the scenes, you know,
1558
01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:12.840
those hidden beings or those hidden people. We don't know
1559
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:15.720
who they are. Some people call them the Builder Burger
1560
01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:19.640
group or whatever. They often create an event or create
1561
01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:23.000
something to happen that creates a reaction, and that reaction
1562
01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:26.319
is where they want the direction of everything to go.
1563
01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:32.359
That's the typical understanding of the paradigm that we live in.
1564
01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:37.399
So yes, I think disclosure is happening. I think disclosure
1565
01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:40.600
with a little d as Nick Cope says has happened.
1566
01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:43.319
Whether or not we will have disclosure with a big D,
1567
01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:46.880
I don't know, but I am very suspicious if we do.
1568
01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:51.079
If you see the President come on the television and say, oh,
1569
01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:54.039
we're being invaded by aliens and we must unite the
1570
01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:57.960
whole world together, sort of like we did in COVID. Right,
1571
01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:02.560
there was movement in the direction that made me very uncomfortable.
1572
01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:05.479
I felt like I was being manipulated, and I didn't
1573
01:42:05.520 --> 01:42:08.680
trust everything I was getting in the mainstream news because
1574
01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:11.159
I got, you know, too much of the same message,
1575
01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:15.079
even the same wording, even the same inflections. So I
1576
01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:17.880
don't trust a lot of politics. I don't trust a
1577
01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:20.439
lot of major news. I think to know what's going
1578
01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:24.319
on these days, you have to be psychic. I'm sorry,
1579
01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:27.119
but I think you have to develop deep inner knowing.
1580
01:42:27.359 --> 01:42:29.880
You have to have a good understanding of history like
1581
01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.960
Don does, right, and you have to kind of have
1582
01:42:33.039 --> 01:42:35.159
a jigsaw puzzle in front of you, and you may
1583
01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:38.720
not have all the pieces, but you look for the correlations,
1584
01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:42.159
You look for the pieces that fit together right. And
1585
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:45.800
we have to be suspicious these days, very very suspicious.
1586
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:51.800
In fact, Werner don Braun, who worked with Carol Rosen.
1587
01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:56.760
He often predicted that there would be multiple wars, and
1588
01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:59.479
he laid them out for her in nineteen seventy six.
1589
01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:02.960
He said, there would be a war on drugs, there
1590
01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.159
would be a war on terror, there would be a
1591
01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:07.840
war on cancer. Right, there would be a war in
1592
01:43:07.880 --> 01:43:10.319
the Middle East. There would be a war on this,
1593
01:43:10.439 --> 01:43:13.119
and a war on that, and the last final war,
1594
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:17.920
and there would all be wars of manipulation. Right, they
1595
01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:20.720
would be certain, not that they are false wars, but
1596
01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:26.439
their wars were manipulated into because it solves another problem. Right.
1597
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:28.600
And he said the last war would be this war
1598
01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:31.560
of an alien invasion, and we would be told we're
1599
01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:34.479
being invaded by aliens, but they're all false.
1600
01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:38.560
Well, let's not forget. Okay.
1601
01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:44.079
I get honestly sick to my guts when I hear
1602
01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:48.600
von Braun's name. Nobody mentions that he was an s
1603
01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:49.960
S colonel.
1604
01:43:50.119 --> 01:43:50.520
Yes he was.
1605
01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:52.600
There was a slave master.
1606
01:43:52.920 --> 01:43:57.199
Yes, deaths of thousands and thousands were on that guy's hands.
1607
01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:00.960
Not exactly. He was an engineer working or the SSS.
1608
01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:06.399
He ran Penamonday. Okay, his rockets rained down all over
1609
01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:07.079
great Button.
1610
01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:11.439
Yes they did, Yes, Yes, and I should have been
1611
01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:16.800
hung Maybe you might be right. Scientists often get caught
1612
01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:21.279
into politics of the time. Even Einstein admitted that, and
1613
01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:24.680
he got many scientists to write about what they felt
1614
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:26.760
they should not have done in the development of the
1615
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:29.720
atomic bomb. In fact, my father in law worked on that.
1616
01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:32.359
So I'm well aware of what you're saying. Don You're
1617
01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:36.680
absolutely right. He was also a scientist and a well
1618
01:44:36.680 --> 01:44:42.960
respected one, And I think, yeah, but I didn't bring
1619
01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:43.520
him here.
1620
01:44:44.760 --> 01:44:47.920
One thing I do want to ask, yes, I turned
1621
01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:48.960
over to the padre.
1622
01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:51.960
Do you feel that you you don't impress me as
1623
01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:56.479
somebody that needs disclosure to validate anything that you've concluded.
1624
01:44:56.840 --> 01:45:01.159
No, I've had personal experiences myself. Once you have a
1625
01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:03.199
you know, do you think you have to have a
1626
01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:06.920
sighting to No. But I think when you have an
1627
01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:09.840
experience like you have a car accident, right, you know
1628
01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:12.720
how dangerous driving a car is. You have a baby,
1629
01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:16.640
you know how difficult it is to give birth. Right,
1630
01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:21.760
once you walk through certain doors, you have an experience
1631
01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:24.520
that no one can take away from you, and that
1632
01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:29.039
changes your level of understanding of a situation.
1633
01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:35.199
Audrey, well, I know, and we've got Jennifer here just
1634
01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:37.479
for a few more minutes. I wanted to ask you
1635
01:45:37.520 --> 01:45:41.439
about your crop circle research. Would you share with us
1636
01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:43.640
how you got involved in that and maybe some of
1637
01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:45.840
your more interesting research in that.
1638
01:45:46.279 --> 01:45:48.399
Well that's hard to do in just two minutes, but
1639
01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:50.199
I will tell you I was just on Coast to
1640
01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:54.159
Coast with George Norurri and Shold and your listening audience
1641
01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:56.279
if they belonged to Coast to Coast, they can go
1642
01:45:56.399 --> 01:45:58.800
listen to it. It was only about a week ago, and
1643
01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:03.359
I went into depth about many things including extraterrestrial perception,
1644
01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:09.359
you know, precognition, esp psychic abilities, and also some of
1645
01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:12.600
my crop circle work. But I will say there's a
1646
01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:16.520
very exciting future for crop circle researchers now. With AI,
1647
01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:20.239
I think we can take those geometries, put it into
1648
01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:25.760
you know, geometric mathematical evaluations, and get back incredible in
1649
01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:29.760
depth information that we wouldn't have been able to do
1650
01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:32.239
done that ten years ago. It's just incredible.
1651
01:46:32.640 --> 01:46:35.239
Yeah, I've done that with A. I've taken images from
1652
01:46:35.279 --> 01:46:37.840
crop circles and I've fed them in and I asked
1653
01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:41.960
them to cross reference, you know, all known languages, all
1654
01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:47.000
known alphabets, all known religious symbols, and at least in
1655
01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:50.079
the crop circle stuff. What they were unique symbols.
1656
01:46:50.520 --> 01:46:54.279
Yes, yes, well, Dan, we should talk off air again
1657
01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:58.159
because I have some other research which is ancient slate
1658
01:46:58.319 --> 01:47:02.880
seals cylinder c not cylinder seals, but agents like tablets
1659
01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:05.399
that have been dug up in Michigan, and they have
1660
01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:10.199
Greek hyeroglyphics and another language on them. We're trying to
1661
01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:14.359
decipher really what they mean, and I'd love to do that,
1662
01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:16.920
and I'm not quite sure how to, but we should talk.
1663
01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:20.199
Yeah, And I'll show you, Jennifer, what I wanted to
1664
01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:23.920
ask you. I didn't get a chance to ask Travis.
1665
01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:27.920
I've investigated a lot of abduction cases.
1666
01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:29.920
Would move on.
1667
01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:31.800
One of the things they all have in common, a
1668
01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:36.399
lot of them, is that they always tell me, they say, Chris,
1669
01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:41.760
for some reason, I've been downloaded with some information, but
1670
01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:46.560
I can't retrieve it. It's there. I know what's there,
1671
01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:51.359
but I cannot bring it to the forefront.
1672
01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:51.960
I can't.
1673
01:47:52.199 --> 01:47:54.079
I can't bring it to where I understand it or
1674
01:47:54.079 --> 01:47:56.039
even know what it is. Did Travis have the same
1675
01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:59.800
experience with that? He feels like he was downloaded with.
1676
01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:03.840
Some No, he did not. When he woke up on
1677
01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:06.640
the side of the road just outside of Hebert. He
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knew exactly what he had experienced. He didn't need a
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regression to remember it. What he needed the regression for
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is to lower his stress level because he was so
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freaked out that he couldn't even begin to recount it
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without like his teeth shattering and his whole body going
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into like, you know, a reactive panic. So that's why
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James Carter can happen. You know, I was waking up,
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I saw these beings, a walk through the onboard the
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craft experience, which he has done, and then he wrote
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about it. He's the only really ever I think about
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that one regression. I don't think he used to done
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more than it, but that's really all he needed. He
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needed to be coached and to have nosis. Is when
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someone hypnotizes you, they're not really making you do anything
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you don't want to do. You're willingly because you want
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to lower your stress level so that you can access that.
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She didn't have the ability to articulate.
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That's all.
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That's all regression really is.
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See, there's two things that are very amazing about Travers
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Travis induction. One is that he remembers stuff most subductees
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only have some pieces of flashes of their memory. You know,
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some will come back and then you get the piece
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of the puzzle. Another flash will come back, and there's
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got that piece of the puzzle. Travis is unique one.
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I really don't think that Trust was abducted for anything
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other than saving his life. I really agree that story.
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So they were kind of went, oh, man, we just
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said we killed this guy, you know, and they took
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him aboard for the fact of.
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Healing him.
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Because throughout the whole story you understand that he was
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being healed, he was in pain and everything else. And
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the other thing that he was never really downloaded like
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a lot of abductees.
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And you know that because you've with that. Before we leave,
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because we only.
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Got two minutes left, I want to talk to you
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about Skyfire this summit, and so before we can wrap
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up the show.
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Thanks, It's going to be a fabulous conference. Are subtitle
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is called from Secrecy to Transparency, and we're going to
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try to address the fact that now that everything's kind
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of what they've been like to for eighty years and
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now suddenly we're going to say, oh yeah, yeah, that's
1723
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that's a phenomena and We kept it on the wraps
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because we thought we had to. You know, no, you
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don't certainly give somebunny eighty years of education in like
1726
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you know, a newscast that it's a minute long.
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We're going to.
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Start out with Ron James, who's going to show Accidental Truth,
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which I helpped him with. He really did like ninety
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nine percent of this film. I did help but get
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started in twenty eighteen when we interviewed Luella Zondo at
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our Philadelphia Mufon Symposium, which I was the pr director
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or the chairman of. And then Stacy Wright is going
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to talk about Moufon. She's also going to talk about
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Sumeri as a Sumerian history, ancient ancient human history. Then
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we're going to jump into Don Schmidt, who's going to
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talk about Roswelt and what really happened at Roswelt. Then
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Travis and I will talk about the fifty year retrospective.
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And then the next day Travis is Travis. Don Schmidt's
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going to speak about Jay allen Heinek and the Blue
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01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:02.399
Book here right, and that's where the secrecy started and
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how Jay allen Heinek left to form his own organization
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called Kupos, which still exists today and Don ran for
1744
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many many years. And then we speak with Leslie, who's
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going to share what's going on right under the ground,
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01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:22.479
so Donna right in Australia who came in. And I
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01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:25.680
think there are series on this has already aired, but
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if it hasn't, I'm probably not supposed to talk about it.
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But I think it's already aired.
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And then it's pretty good to say that ground.
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And then we're closing. This is really important. We're closing
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with the New Paradigm institutents Global World Disclosure today, but
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01:52:45.720 --> 01:52:50.119
we will have Don Schmidt probably make recorded a statement
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01:52:50.159 --> 01:52:52.800
for them, and we'll be watching it and they will
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01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:56.840
be acknowledging Travis on his fiftieth anniversary. And that's for
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01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:01.279
Danny Chan and the New Paradigm Institute. So if anyone
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doesn't their website New Paradigm Institute or googled Global World
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Disclosure to day and sign up to watch it. It
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will happen on Sunday afternoon when we're having at the conference,
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but I think it it starts at ten in the
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morning Eastern Standard time and then goes to look about
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five pm minutes. Excellent it's excellent.
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Thanks so much, Jennifer. We're going to wrap because we're
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out of time with Jennifer. Thank you for the entire
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crew here.
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You want to say good night, say thanks for previce ye,
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and keep looking