Serial Killer /// Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 1

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True Crime Garage Hello?
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Chuck?
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Hello? Hello? Joe.
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Yeah, this is Joe.
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Yeah, it's Mary.
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Hey, Mary, what's up? I've been trying to get a
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hold of you. Oh, did you really, really, really.
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Know how my daughter died, actually?
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I already told you what I knew. I told you
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what I can and can't say, and I already told
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you what I was willing to show you. Now, listen,
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we're not going down this road, okay?
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I know.
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I'm not doing it. Okay. Okay. Just talk to me,
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damn it. You had your chance. You're down there and
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you regret it.
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I couldn't stay.
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I had no choice.
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I didn't have the money.
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You know, not even that. Listen to me now. I
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couldn't let you perform those things on me. Listen to me.
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All I asked you to do was look in your room.
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You wouldn't do that. You know, you're really lucky I'm
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talking to you now, so... Well, I'm sorry. So then
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you know what? Then hire an escort and you can
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watch an escort and I'll show you what happens in
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an escort. There you go. Then you don't have to
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worry about it. So, do you hear yourself? Yeah, why?
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Did you mean that all escorts get murdered or something
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bad happens to them? No, that's not what I said.
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What I'm saying to you is... You didn't want to
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go through with the acts, okay? But you wanted to
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see what happened.
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I wanted you to.
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Like, improvise. Guess what? All you have to do is
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you come back to Colorado, you hire an escort, and
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I'll show you exactly what happened, and you can just
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be a bystander, okay? So you can look in the paper,
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you can, you know, talk to someone and say, this
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is what I want. The only thing that means a
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damn thing to me is my daughter.
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And I don't know where in the hell she ended up.
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Why don't you have your other daughter talk to me?
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My other daughter?
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Yeah. You want my other daughter to talk to you?
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Maybe she'll be reasonable.
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What are you going to do?
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Ask her to strip? You have to understand, I have
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to protect myself here, so... It doesn't.
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Sound at all, Joe, like.
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You're protecting yourself.
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It sounds to me like you were doing it for
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gratification or just.
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To, I don't know.
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It just doesn't sound like somebody that cares about you.
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It doesn't make sense to you? It seems kind of crazy,
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but that's just how it is. Are you working for
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Jenny or against her? I'm working forward, but you have
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to realize some things that I think are important that
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you know are classified, and I will be in huge
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trouble if I tell you. So I have to show you.
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I don't get it.
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What can you show me, Joe? Listen, I got to
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let you go.
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I don't get it.
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What can you show me, Joe? I'll see you later.
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Bye-bye.
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Joe. Joe. Joe.
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Scott Lee Kimball was born on September 21st, 1966 in Boulder, Colorado.
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His parents were Virgil and Barb Kimball. From what we
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could find, it looks like Scott was not one of
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the popular kids at school. He attended Lafayette Elementary and
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middle schools. He was described by a classmate as quiet. Now,
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Barb and Virgil divorced when Scott was 10 years old.
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Barb fell in love with another woman. Virgil and Scott's
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brother Brett moved to Montana, and Scott stayed behind in Colorado.
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But Scott left high school after only one month. Eventually,
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after a few years, he relocated to join his father
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and Brett. But listen to this, Captain, because we often
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see this in these types. A bad omen, a sign
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that something is just not right. Police were called to
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Scott's home during a strange episode in Scott's teenage years
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when he was shooting his father's gun out of one
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of the windows. He was shooting at neighbors' homes. Now,
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it's not clear exactly what was going on here. Was
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he actually trying to shoot someone or was this just
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some kind of weird thing or maybe a revenge type thing?
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I don't know. But regardless, this is a significant event
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and at the very least, could be categorized as extremely
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reckless behavior. Scott attended high school in Hamilton, Montana, a
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town of 4,000 people, but he dropped out just shy
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of graduating. He worked as a guide. He guided clients
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on big game hunting expeditions. He also made some really
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bad choices, not just the shooting at houses incident. Scott
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was arrested for stupid things like knocking over mailboxes. In
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June of 1988, at the age of 21, he was
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arrested and convicted of felonious passing of bad checks. His
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three-year sentence was deferred, however, on the condition that he
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stay above the law. Scott, like many others, he liked
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spending money that he did not have. He was arrested
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again in October of 88 for passing more bad checks.
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But because this felony conviction occurred in a different county,
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his sentence was once again deferred, and it didn't activate
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his previous conviction. So Scott, to say it simply, got
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off very easy in both of these situations. He continued
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to rack up arrests, although not all of them resulted
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in convictions. He was arrested in October of 88 again,
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this time for stealing a fishing pole two rifles and
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a shotgun and a set of golf clubs. This was
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from a residence or multiple residences in Broomfield, Colorado. He
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was turned loose, which is surprising to me and I'm
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sure everybody else out there, considering that the part of
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this theft involved a gun. He was arrested again in March,
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this time for attempted theft, and receives a one year
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unsupervised probation and a $ 232 fine. So again, this is
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just really no real punishment at all for what we're
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seeing is continued bad behavior.
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Right. And if you steal a gun or you steal
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some checks and they just slap you on the wrist. Well,
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why not do it again? Because you probably got away
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with it a couple of times before you actually got caught.
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Yeah. If consequences dictate my course of action, it's only
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wrong if I get caught or if I don't like
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the consequences.
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Right.
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He's not really being punished. So Scott continued to self-destruct
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and actually he even attempted to end his life at
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one point. This was while on a hunting trip with
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his brother. Remember his brother, Brett. Scott was 23 at
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this time. He went to his motel room and he
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put a rifle to his head and he actually pulled
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the trigger and the gun was loaded. The bullet ripped
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a hole in his forehead as it bounced off of
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his skull. Scott was in critical condition for many days.
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Of course, he was not in a good place psychologically,
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as we can all see. This led to the discovery
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of years of abuse that took place during his teen years.
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So what we would find out here, Captain, is that
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Scott was the victim of a sexual predator. This started
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when he was just about 10 years old, when he
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and his seven-year-old cousin were tricked or befriended or whatever
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you want to call it by a 41-year-old computer programmer,
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his name Theodore Payton. Now, Peyton was a neighbor of
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Scott's grandmothers in a trailer park in Nederland, Colorado. And
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we know how this goes. We know how this typically
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starts off, right? Peyton is, he befriends these children and
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he is taking them places, giving them money, takes them bowling,
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you know, hanging out, playing video games.
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Right.
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But pretty soon he started inviting them to his cabin,
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this one at a time. You know, you don't want
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both of them there. And now he's doing things that
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are just downright wrong. He's giving them alcohol. This leads to, oh,
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getting out the camera. Let's take some photographs. And of course,
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eventually this all leads to rape and outright molestation.
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Right.
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According to the two boys... This continued for years with
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the boys and their families being threatened by Peyton, right?
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So he's kind of controlling them by not only molesting
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and raping these boys, but on top of that, he's
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telling them, if you say anything, I'm going to hurt
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you and I'm going to hurt your family.
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Well, initially it looks like these crimes of check fraud
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and stuff are just a crime of greed and maybe
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not a call for help. But now when you dive
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into this section, you go, well, maybe these were cries
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for help, but there was no punishment. So nobody was
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coming to his help.
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Cry for help or sometimes, unfortunately, when these things, when
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somebody's abused in this manner or really many other manners,
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to put it frankly, in their formidable years of coming
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up as a teenager, especially with this stuff starting when
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he's 10 or 11 years old, They could have mind-altering
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effects that last a lifetime for somebody. We mentioned that
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he was threatening the boys and threatening their families. From
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my understanding, Captain, the threats were as great as possible murder,
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death threats, shooting these kids or shooting their family.
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Right.
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The cousin later told police about the abuse, and he
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said that it happened so often that he eventually lost
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count of the number of incidents that took place. The
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situation continued, as we said, until the boys reached their
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later teen years. Now, remember, Scott is not living in
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the area of his grandmother, so his situation is a
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little different than the cousin who was also being abused.
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But when Scott would come back to visit grandma and
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when he would come back to visit other family, the
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abuse was still taking place when he would return to
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that area.
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And you see a lot of children describe their predators
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as the devil. So imagine that the devil was doing
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these horrible things to you. And then on top of
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that saying, Hey, if you tell anybody, I'm going to
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kill you and I'm going to kill your whole family.
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Apparently this situation continued until the boys reached their later
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teen years when they were actually able to stand up
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for themselves. But as we said, this did not emerge automatically.
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publicly until Scott was 23 when he tried to shoot
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himself in the head.
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Right.
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So in light of his and the cousin's allegations, which
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were brought to light by therapy, Scott underwent after the
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suicide attempt, the Boulder County Sheriff's office investigated Peyton and
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they were able to bring some charges against this man.
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In 1991, A jury convicted Payton of six counts of
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sexual assault on a child. He was sentenced to seven years. Apparently,
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he was released after five. He returned to the area
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where he had lived when he was abusing the boys
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and lived out his remaining days there. In a letter
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to the court objecting to a sentence reduction for Payton,
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Scott Kimball wrote the following, Now, recovered from his suicide attempt,
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Scott relocated to Spokane, Washington in the early 1990s. He
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obtained employment in the timber business out there. He brought
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along with him his girlfriend, this is Larissa Hentz, who
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he met in Montana. In 1993, the two were married.
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Scott is now 27 at this point on our timeline. Now,
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this young new couple, they had two sons, one in
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late of 1993 and one in 1996. It doesn't sound
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like things panned out in the timber trade scene, there
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because Scott and Larissa filed for bankruptcy in June of 1996,
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and the couple divorced in 1997. Later, Larissa would reveal
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some details of her married life to Scott Kimball and
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says that Scott was not operating within the law. Scott's
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past of his modus operandi of defrauding people and stealing
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funds continued during the course of their marriage. According to Larissa,
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he engineered scam after scam and had people constantly chasing
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after him, trying to collect money that he frauded them
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out of or stole from them.
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And possibly a reason why he moved to Washington in
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the first place.
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Yeah. The other thing though, too, as we said, he,
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he always managed to avoid fraud. actual jail or prison time.
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But this would, this would end in September of 1997
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when he did serve 27 days in jail for, uh,
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unknown offenses. I do not know what the, the, the
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charges were. Now we're making it out.
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27 days isn't that long.
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Well, exactly. I don't know what the charge would have been.
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It could have been something.
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That's a hit. That's a hiccup. That's a vacation.
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Pretty minor. Um, well, yeah, not one that I want
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to take though. Um, we're making it out as though
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Scott is some kind of low level con artists who,
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you know, just happen to get away with check cashing
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scams and fraudulent money making schemes. But what I believe
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that we will see here, captain, that the truth of
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the matter is that Scott's, he's pretty talented as a
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con artist and he's I think what we're going to
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see is that his con artist skills might be off
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the charts. And you know, everyone who met.
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Him, even though I'll judge that.
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Determined to see him in prison for the remainder of
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his days, begrudgingly admits that Scott was the best at this, uh, universally. He,
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they say he was liked, he was jovial, friendly, and
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seemingly trustworthy. This is how Scott was described time and
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time again. over and over by these people that knew
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him and met him throughout his life.
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Well, you can tell even by his later interviews that
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there is a brain inside his head.
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Yeah, and what we will see as we go through
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this is he truly just, he snowed people. He befriended people,
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made them feel special, built up their trust, and then
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he cheated them.
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Yeah, but he's no Frank Cabanao.
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What happens next on the Scott timeline gives us a
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clear-cut example of how trustworthy he really seemed to be.
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In the spring of 1999, Scott Kimball agreed to work
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for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms as an
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informant on a stolen guns investigation. Yes, this is an
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agency of our federal government taking on a con man,
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a scam artist, a fraudulent check writer into their fold. Now,
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it's not really clear how this arrangement came about, and
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it did not result in any arrest, although Scott reportedly
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gave the ATF some names. But not only did Scott
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get personal satisfaction from being a trusted informant for the feds,
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he got paid for it, a grand total of $ 1, 865.
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The relationship was over by November of 1999, but Scott
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Kimball benefited both, as we said, financially... but also in
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the terms of establishing goodwill with the feds. By December
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of 1999, it was apparent that Scott was not only
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a scam artist, but he was also violent. On December 8th,
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his ex-wife Larissa reported to Spokane police that Scott kidnapped
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her at gunpoint, raped her, and forced her and the
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couple's two sons to accompany him back to Montana. No
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charges were filed for this incident. And there's a lot
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of speculation here as to why there were no charges filed.
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I don't know that I feel super comfortable getting into it,
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knowing as little as we do about this situation. But
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we would see this one more time, this when Larissa
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again called police, this time on December 18th. saying that
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Scott had broke into her house that night and held
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her at gunpoint. Then he made her take a bath
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and stole money from her purse. Again, no case, no
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charges were brought forward in this incident as well. Now,
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remember the two suspended sentences for convictions for passing bad checks.
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Wait, go over that again. He broke in, made her
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take a bath.
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After another sexual assault.
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And there's no charges whatsoever. That's correct. That's ridiculous.
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Again, I don't want to speculate as to why there
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were no charges. Both of these situations we know very
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little about. Yeah. So, I mean, it could be as
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simple as something as she calls the police and then
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later says, I don't want to press any charges. That's
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why I don't want to get into the speculation of it.
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We can't fault the police department if the person that
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notifies them later then says, no, I don't want to
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bring any charges.
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Well, no, you can fault them on some level because
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there's a possibility that she just doesn't feel safe enough
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that she can press the charges. If she presses the charges,
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this guy's an animal and look what he already did
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to me. He might come back and kill me.
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I agree, but I think that it's irresponsible of myself
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to lay blame to someone or an organization with knowing
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nothing really about the situation.
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Yeah. Well, let's not lay blame to the organization, but
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let's lay blame on the idea that we know this
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situation happened and we don't know why it went down
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this way.
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Well, that's why I don't want to lay blame.
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But it's shitty.
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Because I don't know that it happened. I don't know
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that it happened. So- I want to go back to
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the two suspended sentences for the bad checks that took
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place in 1988 when Scott was just 21. So he
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finds himself in jail once again, this time in January
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of 2000, this time for violating his probation. Remember, he
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got probation for those charges. He violated his probation. This
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is for traveling... and also for failing to report. Now, finally,
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a little justice here. This takes place in April of 2000.
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A judge threw the book at him. Scott was sentenced
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to 10 years in Montana State Prison, this for violating
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those probations. Now, five years of this sentence were suspended,
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but Scott was looking at five years of hard time,
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five years in the clink. District Judge Henson wrote of Scott, quote,
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The defendant is impossible to supervise in a community setting.
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You're irresponsible, untruthful, and simply do what you want to
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do regardless of the rules and conditions imposed by this court.
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Then even more charges were brought against him, this time
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for three counts of felony check forgery that occurred in
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1999 in Spokane. His additional conviction piled up eight more
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months onto his prison sentence. This is where the story
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really starts to gain some momentum here, Captain. Scott's sentence,
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his five years, eight months with the five years suspended,
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actually only resulted in him serving 15 months. In July
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of 2001, he was relocated to a pre-release center in Helena, Montana.
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He was permitted to get a job on the outside
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and just report back to the center when not at work.
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Scott landed himself a job as a cashier at the
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Easy Stop gas station. But within just a couple of weeks,
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Scott decided a change of scenery would be nice. On
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July 29th, Scott was working alone at the gas station.
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Let's quickly review what the good judge said of Scott. Remember,
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saying he was impossible to supervise in a community. He's irresponsible, untruthful,
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and simply does not He simply does what he wants
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regardless of the rules. Well, the District Judge Henson was
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what we call here in the garage exactly right. So
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while working at the station alone on the 29th of July,
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Scott lifted $ 677 from the register, he stole a work truck,
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and he took off for parts unknown.
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Lock your doors.
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Now, I imagine there was several... Slim Jims and a
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big gulp stolen from that gas station as well that
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didn't go reported.
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Right. And that's the real crime here.
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Well, now, Scott, you are a wanted man. A warrant
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was issued for the arrest of Scott Lee Kimball. But
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where did Scott hightail it to on the run from
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the law in this stolen truck? Where else but the
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furthest place away he could think of? Alaska.
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Alaska.
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It's not known how Scott managed to get across the
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Canadian border, but knowing his charisma and charm, he probably
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just sweet-talked his way in there. And it didn't really
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take long for him to turn up in Alaska, Captain.
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This is because he could not resist falling back on
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his old ways, writing bad checks. This time, Scott assumed
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the identity of Brett Kimball, his brother. In the few
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months since his escape, Brett wrote $ 25, 000 in counterfeit checks,
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collected the cash, and had landed himself a fiancée. As
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far as this woman, whose name is Catherine Curtis, was concerned,
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Scott was a man named Brett Kimball, and they were
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in love and living in a hotel room, where Scott
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was eventually found and arrested during a raid, along with.
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$ 11, 300 in cash. Well, it just proves that love is
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the biggest con of all.
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¶ ¶.
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All right. Cheers, mate.
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Happy St.
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Patrick's Day to everybody. Yeah. Cheers. And if you're looking
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for a computer shirt, check out the store page.
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Also, wash your hands and be nice to each other.
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Yeah. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face.
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All right. We are going to do a little bouncing
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around here through a few years on our timeline. But
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while this is not going to be in chronological order,
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this order makes sense to me. So we're going to
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roll with it because of the activities and Scott's actions.
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I guess what I'm trying to say here, Captain, is
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pay much less attention to the actual dates that we say,
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but pay more attention to Scott's actions as we go
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through this piece of the story. Scott, of course, was
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not happy sitting in jail. And he managed to come
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up with some excitement for himself. You know, always seeking
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the limelight and back-slapping from authorities. Scott snitched that his cellmate,
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one Arnold Flowers, who was in for fraud, had asked
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him to hire a hitman to murder a federal judge,
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a prosecutor, and two witnesses. So Scott also named Arnold's
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girlfriend as a co-conspirator in this whole thing. And sure enough,
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a press release by the U.S. Department of Justice dated
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March 22, 2002, states that Flowers and his girlfriend were
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indicted for plotting to kill a judge, a prosecutor, and
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a witness in the fraud case. So according to the
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Department of Justice release, Flowers had provided a handwritten note
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of four intended victims to an intermediary who was to
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make contact with a hitman. Of course, this intermediary was Scott.
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The plot went so far as to see the girlfriend
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go to a hotel room to meet the person she
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believed to be a hitman and pay him a down
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payment for the murders. The Department of Justice release concludes, quote,
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the investigation leading to the arrest was the result of
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a cooperative effort of the United States Secret Service, Federal
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Bureau of Investigation, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and
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the United States Marshals Service, end quote. What's really going
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on here, exactly, is what we have to kind of
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look at this situation and kind of examine it, right?
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Yeah.
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Do we think That Scott just stumbled into a murder
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for hire plot and decided to sing like a bird
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and rat on his cellmate for the good of the land?
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I'm thinking probably not. So here's what I think probably
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happened here, Captain. I think Scott may have figured out
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a way to kind of orchestrate this whole thing. In
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a way of saying, you know, if he starts telling
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his cellmate, hey, I know hit men or I know
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people that will kill somebody for money. You know, I
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can put out a contract on someone. And this guy
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who's sitting in jail, sitting in prison, starts mouthing off saying, hey,
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I'd like to kill that judge that put me in here. Oh,
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and by the way, I'd like to kill that prosecutor
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that put me in here. And they wouldn't have been
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able to put me away if it wasn't for those
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two witnesses.
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Right.
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And I think this handwritten note, I call in a
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question too, is it possible that Scott manufactured that note
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and provided it as some piece of evidence against these individuals?
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What I'm getting at here is, look, there's a good
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chance that his cellmate probably did want to kill these
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people and had intentions too, especially after Scott tells them, hey,
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I know how to set something like this up. But
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is this, this is seems to me more about, you
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know what? I'm in prison. How can I weasel my
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way out of here as fast as possible? I'm going
485
00:32:31.069 --> 00:32:34.019
to turn on this dude and getting good with, with
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the authorities. Scott went on to testify at the trial,
487
00:32:38.140 --> 00:32:41.400
which took place in 2003. And the pair was convicted
488
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:45.519
of witness tampering, but they were acquitted of the murder
489
00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:50.079
for higher charges. Now Scott was paid. This really sucks.
490
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:55.160
Scott was paid $ 18, 000 by the FBI for his cooperation
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00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:59.640
as a witness in the case against Flowers and his girlfriend.
492
00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:02.019
That's so stupid.
493
00:33:02.380 --> 00:33:03.500
That's a lot of rolling papers.
494
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Yeah.
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00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.799
In October of 2001, this is before.
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00:33:07.819 --> 00:33:09.299
It's a lot of Slim Jim.
497
00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:09.640
Yeah.
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00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.920
This is before the Flowers murder plot that we just discussed.
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Assistant U.S. Attorney Tom Wales. He's 49 years old. He's
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a father of two. He's killed at his home in Seattle, Washington.
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00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:27.920
Someone shot through a basement window and shot him while
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00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:30.250
he was sitting at a desk down there in his basement.
503
00:33:31.849 --> 00:33:34.910
We know from what we could find that Scott was
504
00:33:35.130 --> 00:33:38.630
in the Seattle area in the fall of 2001. This
505
00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:40.970
was just for a short time. This is when he
506
00:33:41.170 --> 00:33:45.119
opened up a bogus Wells Fargo account under the name
507
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.460
Brett Kimball, his brother's name. He would later tell federal
508
00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:55.000
authorities that he had information about the Wells murder. Now,
509
00:33:56.019 --> 00:33:59.910
I should point out that this case technically is unsolved
510
00:33:59.970 --> 00:34:03.269
to this day. The Wells murder case is still unsolved.
511
00:34:04.250 --> 00:34:09.969
Investigators eventually began to suspect that Scott actually may have
512
00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:13.099
had something to do with the murder, either himself or
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00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:18.099
through somebody else. Although, If that's true, the motive would
514
00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:22.989
be truly unknown. We could speculate, but there doesn't seem
515
00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:26.789
to be an obvious motive here. Now, according to a
516
00:34:26.929 --> 00:34:32.210
book written by Scott's cousin, the book is titled SLK
517
00:34:32.289 --> 00:34:36.280
Serial Killer. Scott was working on a fishing boat in
518
00:34:36.340 --> 00:34:39.559
Seattle in the fall of 2001, and Scott was arrested
519
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:47.360
in Alaska this in November of 2001. He used information
520
00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:52.070
about the Wales murder case to play the FBI, gleaning
521
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.789
whatever information he could about the case off of the internet.
522
00:34:56.150 --> 00:34:59.050
He convinced authorities that he had overheard a couple of
523
00:34:59.269 --> 00:35:02.789
inmates talking about the Wales case and that he might
524
00:35:02.829 --> 00:35:05.630
be able to offer them information about this Wales case.
525
00:35:06.289 --> 00:35:10.239
So Scott starts feeding the FBI bogus information. He strung
526
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.860
them along pretty good, meeting with agents a number of times,
527
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.579
including one three-day meeting in Seattle that took place from
528
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.000
February 24th to the 27th of 2003.
529
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:25.039
Well, let's think about this for a second. I need
530
00:35:25.059 --> 00:35:27.949
to inform it. I know that this guy is a
531
00:35:28.050 --> 00:35:34.010
criminal or a career-long con man. Do you really mess
532
00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:38.329
with a con man? I wonder how that meeting went down.
533
00:35:38.389 --> 00:35:42.500
I wonder if there's two FBI agents, one sitting, looking
534
00:35:42.539 --> 00:35:45.000
at the other one going, Hey, this guy is not
535
00:35:45.019 --> 00:35:47.420
to be trusted. He is a con man. And the
536
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.059
other guy going, well, I don't know. I kind of
537
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.139
believe him. It seems like a good guy.
538
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:58.949
So what's interesting here, I think is the continued, the
539
00:35:58.989 --> 00:36:01.730
continued MO of Scott Kimball.
540
00:36:02.630 --> 00:36:02.929
Okay.
541
00:36:03.030 --> 00:36:06.550
Twice he finds himself behind bars. And when he does,
542
00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:10.570
it seems like he's coming up with these plans. of
543
00:36:11.860 --> 00:36:15.469
I'm going to turn on this guy or these guys.
544
00:36:16.849 --> 00:36:19.530
And what carrot do I have to dangle in front
545
00:36:19.570 --> 00:36:21.789
of the authorities? Because if you, if you go to
546
00:36:21.809 --> 00:36:25.889
them likely, look, this is all speculation here, but if
547
00:36:25.949 --> 00:36:27.969
I'm Scott Kimball and I go to him and I say, Hey,
548
00:36:28.610 --> 00:36:30.349
this guy that I'm in a cell with, or these
549
00:36:30.409 --> 00:36:35.030
guys that I overheard talking in the yard, um, they're
550
00:36:35.070 --> 00:36:37.190
going to kill some dude that you never heard of.
551
00:36:37.730 --> 00:36:42.460
Maybe he's a, drug pusher or a check counterfeiter or
552
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:46.539
somebody else, some dude you never heard of. I have
553
00:36:46.579 --> 00:36:50.510
information on that. Scott's smart enough to know I need,
554
00:36:51.010 --> 00:36:52.849
that's not a big carrot. That's not a very big
555
00:36:52.889 --> 00:36:56.630
enough carrot to really help my situation. That seems to
556
00:36:56.670 --> 00:36:59.389
be all he's attempting to do. What do we see
557
00:36:59.429 --> 00:37:02.699
in the first case? He's turning on his cellmate saying,
558
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.039
this guy was going to kill a judge. He was
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00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.900
going to kill a prosecutor. He was going to kill witnesses.
560
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:13.019
The Department of Justice and the law enforcement, the authorities,
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00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:16.710
value the protection of witnesses like you wouldn't believe, and
562
00:37:16.730 --> 00:37:18.690
they should, very smartly so.
563
00:37:18.889 --> 00:37:19.469
Yeah, correct.
564
00:37:19.570 --> 00:37:22.230
And he's like, he's going to kill two witnesses and
565
00:37:22.250 --> 00:37:25.469
hire somebody to, and then what do we see once
566
00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:27.289
he's once again in prison?
567
00:37:27.969 --> 00:37:29.000
It's, oh.
568
00:37:30.219 --> 00:37:33.389
I heard, I might have some information regarding the murder
569
00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:38.510
of the assistant U.S. attorney, Tom Wales. So these are
570
00:37:38.630 --> 00:37:43.389
big carrots that he's coming up with. And it's almost like,
571
00:37:43.530 --> 00:37:46.469
to me, like you pointed out, it's like, why would you,
572
00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:50.400
why would the FBI, why would these organizations get involved
573
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:55.619
with this guy who clearly is a con man, clearly
574
00:37:55.699 --> 00:37:58.579
is a scam artist? He's one of these people that he's,
575
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.980
behind bars because of what they would call paper cases,
576
00:38:03.460 --> 00:38:06.599
where you can easily put together evidence against this individual
577
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.880
because everything he stole or frauded people from was the
578
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.320
result of a paper trail that he put together himself,
579
00:38:15.619 --> 00:38:18.139
that you can apply to him and get the conviction.
580
00:38:19.349 --> 00:38:23.489
What we have here, though, is somebody going, look, we
581
00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:28.380
can This is big cases. This is a big to-do.
582
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:33.949
This is violent. This is murder. This is judges, prosecutors, U.S. attorneys.
583
00:38:34.710 --> 00:38:38.289
This is a big deal. Maybe we deal with this
584
00:38:38.389 --> 00:38:44.260
little paper case guy because we need to prevent these
585
00:38:44.500 --> 00:38:50.039
big things from taking place. We're after bigger fish, is
586
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:53.059
what I think you think is happening at the time. Now,
587
00:38:54.530 --> 00:39:00.000
As we said, the Wales case is unsolved. Apparently, it
588
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.920
sounds to me like investigators suspect that Scott Kimball may
589
00:39:03.940 --> 00:39:07.869
have actually, he could have possibly been the shooter. There's
590
00:39:07.909 --> 00:39:11.389
some speculation as to that, Captain. I don't want to
591
00:39:11.429 --> 00:39:16.130
get too far into that. But I think the reason
592
00:39:16.230 --> 00:39:20.599
why they think that, there was a strange letter that
593
00:39:20.659 --> 00:39:25.750
shows up to the Seattle FBI office. This letter was
594
00:39:25.809 --> 00:39:29.969
postmarked from Las Vegas and dated January.
595
00:39:31.030 --> 00:39:31.250
3rd.
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00:39:32.170 --> 00:39:34.750
In this letter, the writer said that he was the
597
00:39:34.809 --> 00:39:38.250
killer of Tom Wales. He said a woman hired him
598
00:39:38.309 --> 00:39:43.409
to shoot Wales. We will get into this much more later,
599
00:39:43.469 --> 00:39:46.099
but there is some good reason to possibly believe that
600
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.289
Scott was passing through Las Vegas in January of 2006.
601
00:39:51.289 --> 00:39:55.710
So there's a chance that he wrote and mailed the letter.
602
00:39:55.730 --> 00:40:02.039
I'm getting a little confused in this story here as
603
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:07.420
to what I believe is likely. I don't know that
604
00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:10.260
that he may have been the shooter or if he's
605
00:40:10.429 --> 00:40:14.809
really just manipulating the system. Because as said, it seems
606
00:40:14.849 --> 00:40:17.110
to me like all the information he was able to
607
00:40:17.150 --> 00:40:21.630
provide to the authorities regarding the murder of Wales, he
608
00:40:21.670 --> 00:40:24.030
could have found all that on the internet. Right. Which
609
00:40:24.289 --> 00:40:26.329
if he's sitting behind bars and he gets use of
610
00:40:26.389 --> 00:40:28.710
a computer at the, you know, when you go to
611
00:40:28.750 --> 00:40:33.599
the library or wherever that, He could have found all
612
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.159
of that information and pieced it together.
613
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.480
With some of these cells these days, they might have
614
00:40:38.539 --> 00:40:40.699
computers right in their cell.
615
00:40:40.980 --> 00:40:44.210
Well, keep in mind, one of the biggest problems that
616
00:40:44.250 --> 00:40:48.730
we have in some of these prisons is the prisoners
617
00:40:48.789 --> 00:40:51.269
want to sneak in cell phones. They want to get
618
00:40:51.309 --> 00:40:53.269
a cell phone in there. One, because they can call
619
00:40:53.309 --> 00:40:55.929
whomever they want whenever they want. But also, I would
620
00:40:55.969 --> 00:40:58.530
imagine you can get some kind of internet service as well.
621
00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:02.769
Right. Well, I know... I have a friend that was
622
00:41:03.030 --> 00:41:07.019
complaining because it was their turn. They have a relative
623
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:11.159
that's in jail and it was their turn. They all
624
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.940
decided as a family to help this individual try to
625
00:41:14.980 --> 00:41:18.630
reform and better his life that they would get cable
626
00:41:18.730 --> 00:41:21.929
for his cell. So they pay like a monthly fee
627
00:41:22.429 --> 00:41:27.349
for this little TV that gets cable in the cell.
628
00:41:28.820 --> 00:41:37.070
So it's basically like a Netflix and chill behind bars. Yeah.
629
00:41:37.610 --> 00:41:40.429
I'd just be sitting in there watching reruns of Monk
630
00:41:40.889 --> 00:41:43.429
and The Office constantly.
631
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:44.679
Unsolved Mysteries.
632
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.690
Real Punishment. You know, and I don't want to get
633
00:41:47.730 --> 00:41:49.670
in a whole debate of what prisoners should have and
634
00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:52.530
what they shouldn't have, because I actually believe, depending on
635
00:41:52.590 --> 00:41:55.139
what type of prison you are in and what type
636
00:41:55.179 --> 00:41:58.320
of offender you are, that that should vary. Maybe there's
637
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:02.780
like a tier process, but at least... The worst of
638
00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:06.820
the worst, when they have cable, that angers me so badly.
639
00:42:08.019 --> 00:42:11.280
I think that the real bad guys, you know what
640
00:42:11.380 --> 00:42:16.030
real punishment is? C-span, baby. You can watch C-span for,
641
00:42:16.510 --> 00:42:18.429
that's all you get to see. And you get maybe
642
00:42:18.429 --> 00:42:21.250
45 minutes of it a day. Tear your eyes out.
643
00:42:21.530 --> 00:42:24.690
Yeah, I think we should start off with genital mutilation
644
00:42:24.730 --> 00:42:28.110
and then work up from there, you know. To really
645
00:42:28.170 --> 00:42:28.809
punish people.
646
00:42:29.030 --> 00:42:32.369
Well, so what does the Tom Wales murder and Scott
647
00:42:32.409 --> 00:42:35.269
Kimball's telling the feds that he had information on this
648
00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:39.650
case have to do with the bigger picture? Let's just
649
00:42:39.690 --> 00:42:43.369
say that his cooperation, and this is key, this is
650
00:42:43.510 --> 00:42:46.590
key to our story here, Captain, his cooperation with the
651
00:42:46.659 --> 00:42:50.440
authorities on the Wales case and also the Flowers case
652
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.739
that we already went through, this is what would lead
653
00:42:53.780 --> 00:42:57.639
the FBI to turn him Turn to him again in
654
00:42:57.699 --> 00:43:01.159
another case down the road, and we will see that
655
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:06.679
that will have devastating consequences. All right, Captain. So for
656
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.480
those of you following along at home and for those
657
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.659
of you who are completely lost, what we have here
658
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.429
is we have Scott Lee Kimball, who has spent the
659
00:43:16.469 --> 00:43:19.829
last few years in and out of prison. He's been
660
00:43:19.869 --> 00:43:25.269
arrested for multiple different charges and even in different areas
661
00:43:25.349 --> 00:43:29.780
as well. So regarding the order of this, let's go
662
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:33.610
to 2002 because there's going to be something very significant
663
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:37.050
to the story that takes place in 2002. Remember, Scott
664
00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:41.289
was arrested in Alaska for forging checks and because he
665
00:43:41.349 --> 00:43:48.289
escaped from that prison pre-release in Montana. In June, he
666
00:43:48.570 --> 00:43:54.150
is transferred to federal prison in Littleton, Colorado. This is
667
00:43:54.210 --> 00:43:57.710
because he told authorities that his life had been threatened
668
00:43:57.730 --> 00:44:01.389
by multiple inmates. This is because he's a snitch. By
669
00:44:01.429 --> 00:44:06.320
this point, he's snitched on his cellmates. Especially, we're talking
670
00:44:06.340 --> 00:44:10.179
about the Flowers case here. So Scott's history of cooperating
671
00:44:10.219 --> 00:44:15.760
with authorities would soon earn him another informant role and
672
00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:21.030
a prison release. In the fall of 2002, Scott reported
673
00:44:21.090 --> 00:44:25.559
to the FBI that his cellmate, a Steve Ennis, had
674
00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:28.960
asked Scott to murder another drug dealer. This guy's name
675
00:44:29.019 --> 00:44:33.380
is Jason Price, who was going to testify against Steve Ennis.
676
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.550
Ennis was doing 10 years in federal prison on drug
677
00:44:37.610 --> 00:44:42.949
charges for running a massive ecstasy distribution network, and the
678
00:44:43.010 --> 00:44:48.929
DEA was monitoring his activities carefully. Now, it's unclear what,
679
00:44:49.070 --> 00:44:53.250
if anything, Steve Ennis was really cooking up. Again, Is
680
00:44:53.269 --> 00:44:55.750
this something that Steve Ennis was actually putting into place
681
00:44:55.769 --> 00:44:59.340
or is this something that Scott Kimball is manufacturing and
682
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:03.599
providing bogus information in regards to? It seems possible that
683
00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:07.840
Steve might have made some noises about wanting this guy
684
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.789
dead and then Scott acted on that. It's unclear what
685
00:45:13.889 --> 00:45:18.670
Steve thought Scott's role in Steve's plans were because he
686
00:45:18.730 --> 00:45:22.449
wasn't supposed to be getting out anytime soon. So that's
687
00:45:22.469 --> 00:45:26.349
what's a little tricky here. How would Steve think that
688
00:45:26.409 --> 00:45:29.550
Scott could help him while they're both on the inside?
689
00:45:29.889 --> 00:45:32.409
So this makes three times?
690
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.940
Well, yeah. And that's why I kind of pointed out
691
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.440
that I think it's a little strange that Steve would
692
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:43.559
try to get Scott involved in this whole murder for
693
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:48.730
hire plot. Because how would Steve think that Scott could
694
00:45:48.769 --> 00:45:51.949
provide him any assistance in this when Scott is looking
695
00:45:52.030 --> 00:45:56.949
at doing almost as much time as Steve?
696
00:45:58.409 --> 00:45:58.530
Right.
697
00:45:59.050 --> 00:46:01.840
How's he going to get this going from the inside?
698
00:46:01.889 --> 00:46:04.679
Steve could probably get this going on his own from
699
00:46:04.699 --> 00:46:08.579
the inside. And we know how these prison populations work.
700
00:46:09.289 --> 00:46:11.909
This dude was already moved there because he's saying, hey,
701
00:46:12.050 --> 00:46:15.070
I'm being threatened because I'm a snitch. I've ratted out
702
00:46:15.110 --> 00:46:18.840
some other guys before. So Scott seems like the last
703
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:22.840
person that an inmate would tell, hey, I'm thinking about
704
00:46:22.900 --> 00:46:26.400
killing this guy that's going to testify against me at trial.
705
00:46:27.019 --> 00:46:30.989
This rival drug dealer or whatever you want to call him.
706
00:46:31.730 --> 00:46:33.849
I want this guy dead. It doesn't make sense that
707
00:46:33.889 --> 00:46:36.929
he would tell Scott. That's why I question here, Captain.
708
00:46:37.550 --> 00:46:40.630
Is this something that Scott just totally manufactured all on
709
00:46:40.670 --> 00:46:43.809
his own because he's learned time and time again, and
710
00:46:43.929 --> 00:46:46.880
he's executed this before where he goes, you know, I'm
711
00:46:46.900 --> 00:46:48.880
going to either make up this stuff about this guy
712
00:46:49.460 --> 00:46:53.099
or I'm going to rat on this dude over real stuff.
713
00:46:54.099 --> 00:46:58.269
Either way, it's going to benefit me. And in this situation,
714
00:46:58.730 --> 00:47:01.010
it could get me out of prison very quickly.
715
00:47:02.250 --> 00:47:02.389
So.
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00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.619
That's why I wanted to bring that up, because we
717
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.190
got to keep in mind, even though he's becoming an
718
00:47:08.230 --> 00:47:11.170
informant and he's ratting on these dudes, is there a
719
00:47:11.210 --> 00:47:15.110
chance that he's just manufacturing all this stuff himself and
720
00:47:15.150 --> 00:47:18.070
putting the pieces together and then feeding it to the authorities?
721
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:23.280
So really, this situation to me is very reminiscent of
722
00:47:23.380 --> 00:47:27.380
the Flowers case that we already discussed, because somehow Scott
723
00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:31.320
got word to the FBI that his cellmate, Steve Ennis
724
00:47:31.460 --> 00:47:34.599
was plotting to kill someone on the outside. And again,
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as I stated, this is another witness.
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Yeah.
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This is when the FBI will.
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It's like the same setup. Right.
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It's like, it's like you said, you can, you can
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watch his interviews. You can see him. You can listen
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to him speak. There's a brain in there. This guy is.
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There's also brains in the FBI agents. You'd think they'd go, Hey,
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this is. This seems familiar.
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Oh, I agree with you 100%.
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100%.
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It's strange to me how this guy was able to
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make this work time and time again. But I do
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think he's probably pretty good at what he did, and
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that's no excuse. But it's also one of these things
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that he's like, Scott Kimball figured out, like, this works.
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And I'm going to keep doing it until it stops working.
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So.
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What we have here.
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Is he was a known con man, a known criminal
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guy that's suspected in other other crimes other than con
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man situations. The FBI, there's no excuse for that. There's
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no excuse for our FBI to be tricked.
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Oh, I'm not going to pretend. It's completely dumb of
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them to believe him time and time again. I think
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what they're blinded by is what we pointed out earlier.
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This is a paper case guy, pretty low level, who
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doesn't seem to be violent. I mean, we do have
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those allegations of things by his ex-wife, but there were
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never charges brought forward on any of that. So they're
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not seeing that stuff. But what they're seeing is, oh,
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we got these bigger fish that we want to go after.
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Oh, they're seeing that stuff. They know that it happened
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and they know there was no charges. That stuff doesn't
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just go away. The FBI would know that stuff or
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should know that stuff.
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He wouldn't have any record of it, though.
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I'm just saying they should. I'm just saying that RF,
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if there was a possible situation that their charges were
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never brought, that might not go on your criminal history,
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but that's not the record of that the FBI has
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of each individual in America. They have a lot of
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data on you, on me, on every listener that's listening
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to the show.
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Well, regardless, this is going to be when the FBI
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formally will take on Scott Kimball as an actual informant.
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And this is going to earn Scott a release from prison.
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Yeah, hold on, because if he fools you twice, might
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as well have him work for you.
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This takes place on December 18, 2002, when Scott is
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released from prison in order to, quote, actively cooperate with
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the FBI on the Stephen Ennis matter. End quote. What
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was Scott's role in this whole thing? Well, he was
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ordered by FBI agent Carl Schlaff to pretend to be
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a man named Joseph Lee Scott. And the FBI was
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going to set him up with this new identity provided
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to him And they gave him a birth certificate and
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a driver's license saying that he was, in fact, Joseph
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Lee Scott. So Scott Kimball, who is now Joe Scott,
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he's put in charge of keeping an eye on Steve
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Ennis's girlfriend. Her name is Jennifer Markham. So Scott Kimball
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told authorities, this is how we get to Jennifer Markham.
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He told authorities that Jennifer Markham Ennis's girlfriend, since she
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is the one on the outside, she is going to
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be the one that sets up this whole murder plot.
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I'm guessing that means Kimball told law enforcement that she
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was going to hire the killer. So Jennifer Markham was
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also a potential witness for the DEA in a large
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meth case. The short of it is Scott Lee Kimball
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is now out of prison. living under a new identity
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and working with the FBI. And all of this is
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going to turn into some very bad, bad business and
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fairly quickly. Now, before we wrap up here, Captain, we
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must give a big thank you and shout out to
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a website. This is scottleakimble.com. It's a website that is
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maintained by the Daily Camera, which is a Boulder, Colorado
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newspaper dating all the way back to 1890. That's right.
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Your great-great-grandfather was reading The Daily Camera. The website was
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invaluable to our research, and the site includes a timeline
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and links to numerous articles about the case. And if
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the name The Daily Camera sounds familiar, longtime listeners will
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remember The Daily Camera was a great source for our
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six-part JonBenet Ramsey coverage, which took place in episodes 280
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to 285. For more True Crime Garage, check out the
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free Stitcher app. It has all of our old episodes.
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And make sure you check out our other show. It's
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called Off the Record, and it's available on Stitcher Premium.
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Join us back here in the garage tomorrow. Until then,
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be good, be kind, and don't let it.